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- My job is to make the lens.
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It's the heart of the camera.
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- Do you take photographs?
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- Well, I have a child,
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so I take lots of photographs of her.
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- Are there
any old pictures of you
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that mean a lot?
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- Yes.
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I think it was probably taken
when I was in kindergarten.
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I was in front of the gate
pole at my neighbor's house
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that looks like a fence.
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My feet got stuck between the fence
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and I have a troubled expression.
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This photo capture that moment very well.
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- Why are photos important?
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- When I look at them later
on, I begin to reminisce.
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I think that's very
important for individuals
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and a society as well.
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- Photography is
something that I do because
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I'm looking for something
to understand about myself.
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In Egypt, that very much is there.
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- Politics
seems to be at the heart
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of your work.
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- My grandfather was an
avid newspaper reader.
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So I grew up kind of around
that and around my family
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discussing politics on a
daily basis and you know,
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their dreams and their
ambitions for the country.
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I wanna understand my country.
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I wanna understand where
I fall in that country.
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Egyptians have always been
really really sentimental people.
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They always love to talk about the past.
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This is the essence of an idea
that I'm trying to do now.
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It's a story about how
an entire population of
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more than 85-million people
have always been struggling
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to do something with their lives.
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You know, really simple things
like have dignity and respect
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and I think this is what has
always been lacking in Egypt
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and this is why the revolution happened.
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- Is it just politics?
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- It's a social story
and it's a very human story
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in its essence.
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This is where the overlap of
politics and just an interest
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in that comes from.
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- You seem
to spend a lot of time
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away from the action, shooting faces.
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- I want people in Egypt
to see the people of Egypt.
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This is very important for me.
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This is what I really care about.
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My equipment is in that bag.
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It's modest but it gets the job done.
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So this is my living and working space.
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So we're pretty much, you
know, I cook here and then
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I work here and this is my magnetic wall
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where I do my editing.
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What I wanna say is something about
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alienation and solitude
and feelings of people
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trying to belong and feelings
of people that are abandoned
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by a government or a
system and broken dreams
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after the revolution.
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It's about families who lost
somebody that was killed
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or shot by police.
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This is Reda when he was about 17.
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He's been completely
blinded because he was shot
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by police just off of Tahrir Square.
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All he remembers is that
he looked up and he saw
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a police officer and suddenly
he was thrust backwards.
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He hasn't seen anything since.
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He's 19 and pretty young but
he was engaged to be married
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and his life has completely changed now.
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She lost her son during
the revolution and she was
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one of the people who were protesting
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outside the trial for Mubarak
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hoping that she would see
justice for her son's killers.
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- How did
you get into photography?
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- I worked in America for
about 3-and-a-half years
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as a newspaper photographer
doing everything that you do.
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I was doing things that
were not very newspapery.
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I didn't know I was pushing it
but my photo editor would say
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"Laura, the readers are not
gonna understand your pictures."
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"People don't get this, this
is not what the work is about."
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So I eventually quit because
I felt like I wanted to just
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explore what else I could do visually
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and I didn't really like
being told what to do
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and how to do it.
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- What do you
look for in a picture?
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- Really, with my work, I think emotion is
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very very important.
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Where I'm looking for things that move me
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and hopefully when people look at them
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they can be moved by it as well.
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I started doing a project
when I came to London
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that was basically just street photography
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and it was really sort of therapy for me.
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When I come to London, I can
completely just disappear,
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and I really like that, I like
the fact that you can be free
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and yeah, it really
totally keeps me balanced.
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- What's your
relationship with your camera?
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- My relationship with my
camera, this is a good question
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because I don't really
think about it much but,
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I think my camera's my companion in a way.
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My camera allows me, it gives
me the excuse to go to places
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that I may not go to if
I didn't have my camera.
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So it's a really intimate,
important relationship for me.
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I even sometimes protect it more than
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maybe I protect myself.
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- Do you plan out your work?
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- I spend a lot of
time on individual situations.
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Like I might find a
street corner or you know,
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a particular situation
where I stay for an hour,
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two hours, three hours,
however it develops.
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- Can it get dangerous?
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- Sometimes it can
be dangerous on many levels.
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I think I have become incredibly paranoid
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about being a photographer
and also about being a
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woman photographer because I
usually go out and work alone.
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I mean, I'm on my own taking pictures,
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so I feel kind of vulnerable sometimes.
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- Does your family
approve of what you're doing?
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- They didn't, because this
idea of a girl walking around
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with a camera through the streets of Egypt
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was kind of a bit weird.
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So there was that pressure of,
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"Why don't you just do a normal job,"
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"have some money, have
that peace of mind?"
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I've had some bad times
but I don't think as bad
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as many other people have had.
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- What's the future for you?
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- To continue doing work
that is important for me
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because of the subject matter.
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But I don't think I'll ever be rich.
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It's important to have people around me
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that really believe in what I'm doing,
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and recently my parents have been that
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and it's made really
tremendous difference for me.
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When they see pictures and they're like,
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"Laura, we're really proud of you."
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I mean, this is really,
for me this is really good
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to have the support of my family.
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- Do you
ever think of the people
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who make your lenses?
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- Completely honestly, no I never do.
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- You just
take it for granted?
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- I absolutely do.
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It's like the farmer and the apple.
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You don't think about the farmer
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when you're eating the apple,
it's exactly the same thing.
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I'm not thinking about the person that
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made this when I'm using it.
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- Japan was formative for me.
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When I came here as a 23-year-old,
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I didn't know much of anything.
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Coming back 30 years later,
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realizing the year-and-a-half
that I spent here
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and how important that was,
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it was what created who I am today.
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The sense of ritual and
then going out into the
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town where it's completely chaotic,
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and those contradictions again are what
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really really excited me about being here.
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What is special for me
is this is one of the few
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rock gardens, a Suiseki garden
which means a dry garden,
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in this part of Japan.
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These eight rocks in this
garden represent eight gods.
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It's a paradise garden.
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Shakkei translates as "borrowing scenery."
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So at one time, the scenery
that was being borrowed here
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was probably that
hillside, that cliffside.
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Here we have a prefab school
that's been built right outside
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of the grounds of this
very contemplative space.
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Contemporary, the ancient,
they all work together
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and I'm interested in that.
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I'm interested in juxtaposition,
I'm interested in artifice,
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and that's carried through
with my work for 30 years.
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The Japanese sense of architecture,
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the Japanese sense of space,
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is something that's always interested me.
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That's the reason I came here.
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I have a recollection when I was a kid
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going into the chaos of my room
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and going into my older brother's
room and he was obsessive,
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he was a mathematician,
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and everything in that room
was arranged on the desk.
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It was perfectly arranged,
and I felt so at peace
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in that space.
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My interest in Japan is not
only in historical buildings
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but also in the artifice of nature.
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This tree has been
manipulated and contorted
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to such a point that it frames
the pavilion down below.
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It's a wonderful example
of how the Japanese use
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nature in a very artificial way.
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My dioramas are very similar in terms of
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working with the animals
when they're in deep storage.
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I had access to the Smithsonian archives,
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and they have all of
these taxidermy animals
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in these crates.
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It's the whole idea of
going out into nature,
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killing these animals, bring
them back into this human realm
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and for display purposes,
reanimating them.
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And that is a very interesting idea.
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It's perverse, but it's
wonderful in its perversity.
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I'm interested in the
history of optics especially,
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and who but the Japanese and the Germans
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have perfected it to such a level.
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What is it about that
compulsiveness, that obsessiveness,
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between both cultures
that allows them to create
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these fine finely, finely-crafted objects?
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The idea in Buddhism is that
nothing can be perfected,
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and yet, I think the
Japanese in terms of the way
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that they approach lens-making for example
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are attempting to achieve perfection.
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- I look at
the lens very closely,
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and try to understand its feeling.
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- Is there
anything that you dream about
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that you'd like to take pictures of?
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- I'd really love to photograph secret,
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and maybe even dangerous places.
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I read about something that
happened at the remote base
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at the South Pole.
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There were two buildings
three-meters-apart,
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and one had a bathroom.
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On a short journey from one to the other,
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someone disappeared and was never found.
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The challenge of taking a
photo to capture the mystery
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of that place, of that
brutal, freezing environment,
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a place I would never
normally be allowed to go,
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really interests me.
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- The one that's most
well-known is probably
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the Unabomber's cabin.
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I photographed the cabin in sichew
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after it had been
discovered, put on a truck
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and shipped out to California.
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That was a secret place,
nobody else had access to that,
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and I decided because of
that access that I wanted
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to make it something else.
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It was this very simple, iconic shape.
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A cabin in the woods, and that to me,
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its banality was interesting to me.
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I photographed all four
sides of the cabin,
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thinking about it as mugshots,
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and the whole idea of
architecture being put on trial,
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this was the major piece
of evidence in the trial,
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but I decided to complete
it and I found the site,
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and what the FBI had done is
they put a chain-link fence
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around where the cabin used
to be with signs saying,
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"No Trespassing, Danger" in
the middle of the forest.
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So you have this bucolic setting,
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with this chain-link
fence describing nothing.
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- Is there
anything else you'd like
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to have a go at?
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- If I had the chance, I
wouldn't mind being an actor.
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- And who
would you like to play?
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- Ultraman.
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I haven't grown up yet.
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- That way,
that way, that way.
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- I don't take snapshots.
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I take pictures of my family
sometimes, but the whole idea
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of the history and memory,
I'm interested in history.
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I like to be surprised.
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And this current project that
I'm doing on the Civil War
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has really engaged me and
I'm using the technology
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of the time and that to me
is a very exciting thing.
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A lot of my work starts
out in a documentary place,
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but then it goes someplace else.
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And when that works, when a
viewer comes to it and thinks,
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"this is something I don't understand,"
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and spends time with it
to try and understand it,
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that image for me is working.
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- Are you
proud of your lenses?
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- Yes, very much so.
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There is a big baseball
stadium called the Tokyo Dome.
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It has a camera that shoots
down from the high position
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called the bird's eye.
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This camera uses my lens.
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- Do you have a secret dream?
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- My dream?
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My dream is to become a
professional baseball star,
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of course.
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- Aren't
you a bit old for that?
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- After all, age cannot
stop your dreaming.
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- When I first started,
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and it was obviously the desire
to go to all the big events,
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so I've done the big events.
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World Cup soccer, which
is probably my favorite.
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The Olympics, winter and summer.
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And it just goes downhill from there.
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So now it's more the photography.
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The photography is very, it's a driving
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aspect for me now.
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I mean, it is luck, there's
a lot of luck involved.
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It's just a question
of, are you prepared to
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take that chance when it comes to you.
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I've done more than one
World Cup final and been
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sitting there picking my nose
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'cause it's all been happening
down the other end, so,
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you know, I tend to think
what goes around comes around.
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It was a rainy day and Cambridge
University were playing
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a Japanese university.
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No one wanted to do it.
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You know, I went, shot the game
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and then I kind of left
early, which is a cardinal sin
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for a sports photographer,
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leaving before the end of the game.
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And on the way to the car,
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I just bashed out a couple
of frames, jumped in the car,
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and I saw that frame and I thought,
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"That's a pretty good frame."
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When you're photographing
something that's gonna happen
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for a fraction of a second,
there's no luxury to redo it.
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I think skiing is a particular
challenge because you end up
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having to ski the course which
is designed for the athletes.
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You ski it because you can
get to see all the positions.
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You can look at where you
think the action photograph
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will come from.
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It's all about preparation.
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If you're not prepared then
you're gonna get caught out
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or you're gonna make a mistake
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because you didn't have
the right lens with you.
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- I've been working for over 34 years.
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I am an advanced design lens manager,
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and I oversee a group of people
designing the latest lenses.
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I like most sport but I like soccer best.
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I started playing when I was quite small.
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The game is about balancing
individual skills with the team
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and that's fun to do.
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It's a lot like the way we work.
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In optic research and design,
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we try to support the work of individual
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with a team effort.
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- When Canon came out with auto-focus,
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it basically levelled the
playing field between the guys
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who were extremely good at follow-focusing
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and the guys who couldn't follow-focus
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but loved photographing sports.
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Basically a 600-mil and a 428.
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That would be something
that you would work with.
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- For professional use,
the big long lenses
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should be both as lightweight
and durable as possible.
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They need constant updating.
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- You know, these lenses,
it's good actually.
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Very shortly I'll just be
able to do this, you know?
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I don't have to go to the
gym anymore, you know?
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- It's tricky because reducing weight
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and making it stronger are opposite.
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How to resolve this is a big deal,
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but it's a challenge I enjoy.
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- You know, now I could just
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ponce around with this little baby
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which gives me another 10 years,
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or it gives my spine another 10 years.
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This for me is kind of a new toy to use
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and adapt to the way I'm shooting.
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You know, it's a zoom lens.
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That means I have an incredible range.
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I can go from a 200-millimeter lens
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to an almost 600-millimeter lens.
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It makes coffee, and
the latte's not so good
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so maybe those lens mysters can sort out
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a latte function on this
thing but it does a lot.
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- I did fine-tuning on auto-focus
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and the image stabilizing system
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used in sports like football, baseball
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and motorsports.
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I like pictures that have good focus,
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but also can catch both the
movement of the athletes
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and the facial expressions.
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That's the best.
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When people started using digital cameras,
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there was no cost limit to how
many pictures you could take.
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You could take as many as you like.
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- That gives me the
freedom to go with an idea,
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and just try and work it 'till
I thought I got it exact.
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- How many frames
did you shoot to get this one?
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- You know, I shot a lot of images.
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Oh man, I don't know.
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1,200-2,000 images.
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You know, the beauty of
working for someone like
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Sports Illustrated, they're
looking for great photographs.
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They're not necessarily looking for
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man-crossing-line every time.
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I've always tried to push forward
and find different angles.
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The one thing that's happening with sport,
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particularly large events,
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is that you become controlled.
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So you're only allowed to go to one pen,
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and you wanna go up high,
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it's a bit of a cat and mouse game.
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Wanting to sneak behind the
security guards and go upstairs.
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Instead of being down on the
field shooting the same thing
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that 300 other photographers
were gonna shoot,
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I wanted to do something
which was different.
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- The reason why I
started taking photographs
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was because I was deeply
inspired by the famous
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Japanese photographer Ken Domon.
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He approaches his subjects quickly
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00:24:18,036 --> 00:24:20,035
without letting them know.
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Just like a thief.
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Even the blurry or out of focus picture
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was better if it captured
the emotion on the face.
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00:24:30,816 --> 00:24:32,915
- When you're doing a
portrait of somebody,
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you're in complete control of
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the scene and how you're
gonna photograph them.
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00:24:38,136 --> 00:24:41,095
It's a very different dynamic.
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00:24:41,096 --> 00:24:44,306
And then you obviously have
to interact with the subject.
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00:24:52,502 --> 00:24:55,021
Michael Phelps I had a
reasonable relationship with,
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00:24:55,022 --> 00:24:57,441
and I was always explaining
to him what I wanted to do
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and he was very up for the
ideas that I had in mind.
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00:25:03,901 --> 00:25:05,800
I don't get up at four in the morning
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and swim for three hours
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and then sleep for the rest of the day.
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00:25:09,671 --> 00:25:12,655
I read the newspaper, I walk the dog.
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These guys aren't doing any of that.
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They're just focused 100%
on trying to be the best.
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- Sport is all about winning and losing.
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So one of the most important
thing a sports photographer
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does is get the sense of that in the face
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and the body language of the athletes.
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00:25:32,995 --> 00:25:37,575
- Winning is what everybody wants to see.
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But I mean, losing I think is probably a
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bigger life lesson.
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And in sport it's black and white.
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Dealing with losing is a very
interesting subject, I think.
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- Sport also bonds generations.
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I can talk to my young workers about it.
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It helps stimulate conversation
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00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,270
and makes for better communication.
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00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,660
- Is there a
future in still photography?
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00:26:07,661 --> 00:26:10,178
- People still ride horses.
428
00:26:10,179 --> 00:26:13,598
They just don't use them
to get down I95 now.
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00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,179
So there will be a space for photography.
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00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:18,817
The industry changes, it's changed rapidly
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00:26:18,818 --> 00:26:22,488
in the short time that I've
been around and involved in it.
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Experience is something that I
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00:26:26,715 --> 00:26:29,585
now use heavily
434
00:26:29,595 --> 00:26:32,015
to persuade people to employ me.
435
00:26:33,574 --> 00:26:36,813
All the new toys help you.
436
00:26:36,814 --> 00:26:38,893
They don't take the
photograph for you yet,
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00:26:38,894 --> 00:26:42,484
but they definitely help
you capture an image.
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00:26:45,254 --> 00:26:48,133
- I never stop learning.
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Especially when we were
working on the new project.
440
00:26:51,714 --> 00:26:54,473
Sometimes experience isn't enough,
441
00:26:54,474 --> 00:26:57,932
so I have to find a new way of thinking.
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00:26:57,933 --> 00:27:01,352
The young are quick to embrace new ideas,
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00:27:01,353 --> 00:27:04,383
so I have to work to keep up with them.
444
00:27:11,993 --> 00:27:14,272
- Do you
train the young workers?
445
00:27:14,273 --> 00:27:16,972
- Yes, I
teach them what I know
446
00:27:16,973 --> 00:27:19,372
and to work as hard as I do.
447
00:27:19,373 --> 00:27:22,332
- And what's
the most important thing?
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00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:23,952
- Love.
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00:27:23,953 --> 00:27:27,532
When I shout or yell at
them, it's with love.
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If they can understand that,
451
00:27:29,253 --> 00:27:32,203
then they will work better and harder.
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00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:38,312
- When I first started,
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00:27:38,313 --> 00:27:40,892
I was an operator in manufacturing.
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00:27:40,893 --> 00:27:43,472
Learning the basics of the camera.
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00:27:43,473 --> 00:27:46,992
Now, I'm an assistant leader of the team.
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00:27:46,993 --> 00:27:50,703
I specialize in lenses
for television cameras.
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00:27:52,353 --> 00:27:56,152
- To learn communication
skills with co-workers,
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that was the most important
thing that I ever learned.
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00:28:00,213 --> 00:28:03,812
When things get difficult,
always remember that
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other people as well as you
are trying to do their best.
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00:28:08,313 --> 00:28:10,532
Technical skills are one thing,
462
00:28:10,533 --> 00:28:14,943
but the emotional support is
important in work and in life.
463
00:28:19,653 --> 00:28:21,612
- I don't exactly know why,
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00:28:21,613 --> 00:28:24,932
but I feel relaxed when
I photograph temples.
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I think taking photos of the temple
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helps sustain my motivation.
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00:28:29,932 --> 00:28:32,651
Our family had four brothers,
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00:28:32,652 --> 00:28:36,730
and my father used to take
pictures of all of us growing up.
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00:28:36,731 --> 00:28:39,890
Before my father took me to Samyo Temple,
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I wasn't really interested in cameras,
471
00:28:42,691 --> 00:28:46,950
but because of it, I became
very curious about photography
472
00:28:46,951 --> 00:28:50,870
and so my father taught me
and he was rather strict.
473
00:28:50,871 --> 00:28:54,670
He was really specific in
the use of light and shadows,
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00:28:54,671 --> 00:28:56,870
but you can't appreciate
those sort of things
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00:28:56,871 --> 00:28:58,450
when you are small.
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00:28:58,451 --> 00:29:01,430
My father would look at my photos and say,
477
00:29:01,431 --> 00:29:03,650
"That's not it."
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00:29:03,651 --> 00:29:07,510
These are pictures of a
three-tier temple that I love.
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This is an example of the photo contests
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that my father and I used to have.
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My father took this one,
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and the long shot of
the greenery was mine.
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00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:21,530
Mine has a two-dimensional effect,
484
00:29:21,531 --> 00:29:24,310
but my father's has a 3D feel
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00:29:24,311 --> 00:29:26,470
and has much more depth.
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00:29:26,471 --> 00:29:28,230
- So who's
the better photographer?
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00:29:28,231 --> 00:29:30,590
- To tell the truth,
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00:29:30,591 --> 00:29:32,381
my father wins.
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00:29:46,211 --> 00:29:49,011
- Why are
photographs important?
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00:29:49,012 --> 00:29:53,389
- On 3/11, when we had
this devastating tsunami,
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the images in papers and on television
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00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,900
brought the reality of
it all into my mind.
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00:30:00,152 --> 00:30:03,302
My grandmother lives in Miyagi Prefecture
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which is near the epicenter.
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00:30:05,664 --> 00:30:08,203
I couldn't get in touch
with her for a week,
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00:30:08,204 --> 00:30:11,083
and we didn't know whether
she was still alive
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00:30:11,084 --> 00:30:14,143
but the photos gave us
a lot of information
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00:30:14,144 --> 00:30:17,183
until we found her safe.
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00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:19,543
The images were very important.
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00:30:19,544 --> 00:30:22,203
Not just for us who lived through it,
501
00:30:22,204 --> 00:30:24,374
but for future generations.
502
00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:31,241
I feel it's important
that these photos exist
503
00:30:31,242 --> 00:30:33,432
as a testament.
504
00:30:46,102 --> 00:30:48,201
- Looked like semaphore for a minute.
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00:30:48,202 --> 00:30:50,641
Okay, thank you.
506
00:30:50,642 --> 00:30:52,941
Or I just open it up slightly.
507
00:30:52,942 --> 00:30:56,081
I was working when I was like, 17, 18,
508
00:30:56,082 --> 00:30:58,881
and I got some jobs at Chaton Studios
509
00:30:58,882 --> 00:31:02,181
as a special stills photographer.
510
00:31:02,182 --> 00:31:06,161
I just liked the family feeling on set
511
00:31:06,162 --> 00:31:08,412
and I went to film school.
512
00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:13,260
At film school there were a couple of
513
00:31:13,261 --> 00:31:17,040
fellow students who
went on to make movies,
514
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,480
and I came in on their coattails.
515
00:31:20,481 --> 00:31:23,460
My real break was this sort of
516
00:31:23,461 --> 00:31:26,120
anthropological documentary in Peru
517
00:31:26,121 --> 00:31:31,100
which was so dangerous the
director was hospitalized.
518
00:31:31,101 --> 00:31:34,040
He nearly died, and I nearly died
519
00:31:34,041 --> 00:31:36,040
during the making of this documentary.
520
00:31:36,041 --> 00:31:38,300
Just awful.
521
00:31:38,301 --> 00:31:41,500
And I decided on horseback
that I'm not gonna do this,
522
00:31:41,501 --> 00:31:43,651
I'm gonna do commercials.
523
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,159
I met Brian Gibson who's
an old colleague of yours.
524
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,179
- Yeah.
525
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:57,019
- And Brian and I did a bunch
of commercials together,
526
00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:58,339
and then he got a feature.
527
00:31:58,340 --> 00:32:02,590
And then Tony Scott got his
first feature, The Hunger.
528
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,998
And then I got lucky and
then I got a phone call
529
00:32:05,999 --> 00:32:07,258
and I picked up the phone and said,
530
00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:09,458
"Are you available to
speak to Francis Coppola?"
531
00:32:09,459 --> 00:32:11,838
I thought it was someone
of the crew just...
532
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:12,918
- So that was a big break.
533
00:32:12,919 --> 00:32:14,118
- It was a big break.
534
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,378
- Were there
a lot of surprises?
535
00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:20,658
- Well yes, I mean, I went
to calministori studios
536
00:32:20,659 --> 00:32:23,098
and it was supposed to
start shooting in six weeks.
537
00:32:23,099 --> 00:32:26,118
So I knew that it should
be busy at this point.
538
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:29,058
There were no sets built,
there were just two,
539
00:32:29,059 --> 00:32:31,938
two chippies, two carpenters
idly banging nails
540
00:32:31,939 --> 00:32:34,078
into a piece of old timber.
541
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:38,009
And I thought, "This doesn't
look like a real film at all."
542
00:32:39,259 --> 00:32:42,659
And I met Francis and we
got on like a house on fire,
543
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:44,377
and he looked me in the eye and says,
544
00:32:44,378 --> 00:32:47,057
"This film is going to happen."
545
00:32:47,058 --> 00:32:50,777
And I said, "Absolutely, I'm your man."
546
00:32:50,778 --> 00:32:53,237
But in fact, it was a scam.
547
00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:57,277
And all the people involved in the film
548
00:32:57,278 --> 00:32:59,598
had written their own contracts
that they'd be paid off
549
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,739
for enormous sums of money
if the film didn't go.
550
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:05,799
Francis was the one who had to shoot
551
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,198
and he insisted we shot and he did.
552
00:33:08,199 --> 00:33:12,078
And so on the first day,
when one of the actors
553
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,418
didn't turn up because
he had script approval
554
00:33:14,419 --> 00:33:17,118
and there was no script, Francis said,
555
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,358
"Well we'll shoot everything
from his point of view."
556
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,778
"And then when we get him
we'll do the reverse."
557
00:33:22,779 --> 00:33:24,278
So that's how we started.
558
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,818
- Did you
think that was the norm?
559
00:33:26,819 --> 00:33:28,138
- I knew it wasn't the norm,
560
00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:30,958
but I thought it was a
good way to get going.
561
00:33:30,959 --> 00:33:32,258
So I just went with it, I thought,
562
00:33:32,259 --> 00:33:34,158
well, let's shoot it that way.
563
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,958
I mean, this guy's much
better than I am, Mr. Coppola.
564
00:33:36,959 --> 00:33:38,498
So he liked that attitude.
565
00:33:38,499 --> 00:33:39,878
- So you
really learned the business
566
00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:42,038
by the seat of your pants.
567
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,338
- Totally.
568
00:33:44,639 --> 00:33:46,829
They come, they will see this.
569
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:49,459
- What are you looking for
570
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,020
when you choose material?
571
00:33:51,021 --> 00:33:54,318
- Well I mean, I've done
those big films where
572
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,998
it's actually complete rubbish
573
00:33:56,999 --> 00:33:58,738
and you're only doing it for the money
574
00:33:58,739 --> 00:34:01,718
and it made me very unhappy indeed.
575
00:34:01,719 --> 00:34:04,578
But I'm trying to do something which
576
00:34:04,579 --> 00:34:07,238
excites me on a dramatic level.
577
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,858
I'm far more interested
in how I respond to
578
00:34:10,859 --> 00:34:13,478
the script as a story.
579
00:34:13,479 --> 00:34:15,598
The best thing is when you go on location,
580
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,438
sometimes I'll volunteer with a designer.
581
00:34:17,439 --> 00:34:20,458
We'll go there and we'll
walk around with the script
582
00:34:20,459 --> 00:34:22,818
in our back pockets or in our heads but,
583
00:34:22,819 --> 00:34:24,538
and we'll see what we can find
584
00:34:24,539 --> 00:34:26,798
and for me that's the
best way to look at things
585
00:34:26,799 --> 00:34:29,489
is though a lens.
586
00:34:30,458 --> 00:34:34,597
It's a shortcut to my subconscious.
587
00:34:34,598 --> 00:34:37,437
When I'm taking the photograph,
I feel something directly.
588
00:34:37,438 --> 00:34:40,657
On Get Up Up, this film I
just finished last week,
589
00:34:40,658 --> 00:34:43,867
I did over 40,000 which
is not that difficult
590
00:34:43,868 --> 00:34:46,718
with motor drive and stuff.
591
00:34:47,927 --> 00:34:49,766
Tate Taylor who directed it, he wanted
592
00:34:49,767 --> 00:34:51,586
to have some time-lapse,
593
00:34:51,587 --> 00:34:54,547
and I found these scientific
time-lapse cameras
594
00:34:54,548 --> 00:34:57,965
that use, actually Canon Rebel
595
00:34:57,966 --> 00:35:01,145
still cameras inside them
596
00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:03,885
but they're powered by a solar panel.
597
00:35:03,886 --> 00:35:07,585
So I could put it in
the Mississippi jungle
598
00:35:07,586 --> 00:35:11,845
and set it and it will take
a picture every five minutes
599
00:35:11,846 --> 00:35:14,865
and switch off when it gets dark.
600
00:35:14,866 --> 00:35:16,385
That's serious business,
601
00:35:16,386 --> 00:35:20,925
to trust your equipment
and trust your lenses.
602
00:35:20,926 --> 00:35:23,965
And so then I saw that
603
00:35:23,966 --> 00:35:28,085
Canon was going into my game
604
00:35:28,086 --> 00:35:31,116
and I was interested to see what's up.
605
00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:35,155
This film I've just finished,
606
00:35:35,165 --> 00:35:37,365
the first day shooting
was in a helicopter.
607
00:35:37,373 --> 00:35:41,536
It used a purpose-built ALEXA M
608
00:35:41,537 --> 00:35:43,456
in the nose of the helicopter.
609
00:35:43,457 --> 00:35:45,356
I said, "What lens is on this thing?"
610
00:35:45,357 --> 00:35:47,396
And they said it's a 10-to-1 Canon.
611
00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,256
30 to 300.
612
00:35:49,257 --> 00:35:52,377
And I said, "Oh all right,
that's interesting."
613
00:35:52,382 --> 00:35:54,601
And then I saw it projected,
614
00:35:54,602 --> 00:35:57,952
it was just beautiful, just gorgeous.
615
00:36:01,602 --> 00:36:05,880
- My name is Setsuko Sotome,
616
00:36:05,881 --> 00:36:09,039
and I'm making lenses for movie cameras.
617
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,659
- Do you enjoy your work?
618
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:12,619
Is it fun?
619
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,539
- Well, it is very challenging
620
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:16,879
because a lens is very delicate.
621
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,999
So it needs a lot of concentration.
622
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,910
I enjoy the work but I
wouldn't describe it as fun.
623
00:36:26,399 --> 00:36:29,658
A cinema lens weighs over 5 kilograms,
624
00:36:29,659 --> 00:36:31,898
so it needs a lot of strength.
625
00:36:31,899 --> 00:36:34,369
It's hard work.
626
00:36:36,959 --> 00:36:40,129
I've been working for about 30 years.
627
00:36:43,279 --> 00:36:45,529
- Have you
ever chipped a lens?
628
00:36:46,618 --> 00:36:50,597
- Yes, but it
happened when I first started.
629
00:36:50,598 --> 00:36:54,028
I've only had one lens
rejected this past year.
630
00:36:56,858 --> 00:36:58,977
- Are you a perfectionist?
631
00:36:58,978 --> 00:37:00,697
- Not with everything.
632
00:37:00,698 --> 00:37:02,497
I collect coffee cups.
633
00:37:02,498 --> 00:37:04,168
I've got 30 of them.
634
00:37:05,298 --> 00:37:07,735
Well, china heals me.
635
00:37:07,736 --> 00:37:12,095
Unlike lenses, they're
all different shapes
636
00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:13,966
and that attracts me.
637
00:37:15,835 --> 00:37:18,685
- Would you
like to make some yourself?
638
00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:21,525
- Maybe, when I'm retired someday.
639
00:37:25,555 --> 00:37:28,005
I assemble every part of the lens
640
00:37:28,015 --> 00:37:30,925
from top to bottom on my own.
641
00:37:30,935 --> 00:37:35,175
I'm the only person in my
department who does this alone.
642
00:37:36,874 --> 00:37:41,313
There are many women who assemble
some units from the lenses
643
00:37:41,314 --> 00:37:44,213
but I don't think there's any one woman
644
00:37:44,214 --> 00:37:47,344
who can assemble from
the beginning to the end.
645
00:37:49,374 --> 00:37:52,692
- Two different lenses have
different characteristics.
646
00:37:52,693 --> 00:37:55,008
The character of flare, for example.
647
00:37:55,009 --> 00:37:57,068
Sometimes, try as you might,
648
00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:59,668
with some modern lenses you
can't get them to flare.
649
00:37:59,669 --> 00:38:01,068
Whatever you do.
650
00:38:01,069 --> 00:38:04,428
Billy Bids had described
how he invented backlight.
651
00:38:04,429 --> 00:38:06,568
He was just testing some new lenses
652
00:38:06,569 --> 00:38:09,148
and everyone had broken for a picnic lunch
653
00:38:09,149 --> 00:38:12,048
and he turned the camera on Mary Pickford
654
00:38:12,049 --> 00:38:15,028
and the was backlit by
the California winter sun.
655
00:38:15,029 --> 00:38:18,568
At that point, no one had ever
photographed in backlight.
656
00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:20,988
Everyone went, "Wow, that's great!"
657
00:38:20,989 --> 00:38:25,066
And it was a lens test
that introduced him to
658
00:38:25,067 --> 00:38:28,257
beautiful backlight
through Pickford's curls.
659
00:38:29,487 --> 00:38:31,966
- One of your
most famous pieces of work
660
00:38:31,967 --> 00:38:33,986
was Angels in America.
661
00:38:33,987 --> 00:38:36,966
What were the big challenges there?
662
00:38:36,967 --> 00:38:39,866
- Well, the script was
sort of white heart.
663
00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:42,586
The documentary journey of
a young man or young men
664
00:38:42,587 --> 00:38:44,266
dying of AIDs,
665
00:38:44,267 --> 00:38:48,006
to Roy Cohn talking about paradise,
666
00:38:48,007 --> 00:38:52,306
and then to do a sequence
in which a poor young man
667
00:38:52,307 --> 00:38:56,526
at death's door is visited by an angel.
668
00:38:56,527 --> 00:38:59,706
I realized the problem we had
669
00:38:59,707 --> 00:39:02,366
was that on stage there's limitless space.
670
00:39:02,367 --> 00:39:04,806
An angel couldn't drop into the same set,
671
00:39:04,807 --> 00:39:07,066
and there's no problem with her wings.
672
00:39:07,067 --> 00:39:10,466
I mean she has a six,
eight-foot wing-span.
673
00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:12,806
That's no problem, it's
just a stage, there's a bed,
674
00:39:12,807 --> 00:39:14,726
there's a guy in it and
she can hover over him
675
00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:19,006
and do whatever but on
film she can't drop into
676
00:39:19,007 --> 00:39:22,446
the room which has got a
ceiling and four walls.
677
00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:25,746
And my brain wave is we
would had to have two sets.
678
00:39:25,747 --> 00:39:27,526
We had to have the normal set,
679
00:39:27,527 --> 00:39:31,566
and then whenever she flew in
680
00:39:31,567 --> 00:39:35,177
we had to have a set that was 400% bigger.
681
00:39:36,745 --> 00:39:40,375
And of course, the producers
were ready to kill me but
682
00:39:40,385 --> 00:39:43,495
it was the way to do it, that
suddenly the bed was bigger,
683
00:39:43,505 --> 00:39:46,975
the furniture was bigger,
the room is enormous
684
00:39:46,985 --> 00:39:48,975
because it was another world.
685
00:39:48,985 --> 00:39:52,035
It was how I visualized it.
686
00:39:52,045 --> 00:39:54,715
I find that if I take
pictures as I'm working,
687
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:57,095
it sparks something off
when I look at how I might
688
00:39:57,105 --> 00:39:58,735
change something, how the lights working,
689
00:39:58,745 --> 00:40:00,765
how the color might be.
690
00:40:02,224 --> 00:40:05,123
For technical reasons,
I was always horrified
691
00:40:05,124 --> 00:40:08,343
by the lack of communication between
692
00:40:08,344 --> 00:40:11,783
the cinematographer and the lab.
693
00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:15,083
You know, some poor bastard at 3AM
694
00:40:15,084 --> 00:40:17,663
being given reel after reel of negative
695
00:40:17,664 --> 00:40:21,443
and making quick color
and lighting adjustments
696
00:40:21,444 --> 00:40:24,403
which could make or destroy your career.
697
00:40:24,404 --> 00:40:28,423
And I said to HBO and bless
them, they paid for it.
698
00:40:28,424 --> 00:40:31,623
They bought me an enormous
professional printer
699
00:40:31,624 --> 00:40:35,334
with color calibration
and I made 70 prints.
700
00:40:37,123 --> 00:40:39,982
The end result being that
you can get what I want
701
00:40:39,983 --> 00:40:42,142
as a cinematographer.
702
00:40:42,143 --> 00:40:44,962
At least I have that satisfaction.
703
00:40:50,063 --> 00:40:51,942
- Was it a
major decision to start
704
00:40:51,943 --> 00:40:54,002
shooting digitally?
705
00:40:54,003 --> 00:40:55,942
- In a way I couldn't wait.
706
00:40:55,943 --> 00:40:58,702
The last chemical film I did was The Help
707
00:40:58,703 --> 00:41:02,562
and I couldn't get dailies
for two or three days
708
00:41:02,563 --> 00:41:04,842
and we were shooting under pressure
709
00:41:04,843 --> 00:41:08,082
and we were photographically
very difficult
710
00:41:08,083 --> 00:41:11,142
situations for me, like Viola Davis
711
00:41:11,143 --> 00:41:14,882
with a blonde little baby girl in her arms
712
00:41:14,883 --> 00:41:18,182
and how was I gonna keep
that contrast range?
713
00:41:18,183 --> 00:41:20,043
Was I keeping the keeping
the contrast range?
714
00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:21,626
I couldn't tell.
715
00:41:21,628 --> 00:41:25,807
I thought I was but there
was no immediate feedback.
716
00:41:25,808 --> 00:41:29,167
So it doesn't matter how much
717
00:41:29,168 --> 00:41:30,987
you've shot.
718
00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:33,907
I'm always nervous
719
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:37,347
and I need feedback
and I saw that digital,
720
00:41:37,348 --> 00:41:39,856
if it could only get good enough,
721
00:41:39,857 --> 00:41:42,296
would be that immediate feedback.
722
00:41:45,597 --> 00:41:47,356
- Does it make
you braver as a cameraman?
723
00:41:47,357 --> 00:41:49,496
- Yes, insane.
724
00:41:49,497 --> 00:41:52,027
I mean, just little light bulb braver.
725
00:41:55,156 --> 00:41:58,746
- What makes,
for you, a great photograph?
726
00:41:59,795 --> 00:42:02,785
- Well it's gotta be something
to do with the content,
727
00:42:02,795 --> 00:42:04,085
I think.
728
00:42:04,095 --> 00:42:07,865
Even if it's a photograph in
which you don't understand
729
00:42:07,875 --> 00:42:10,385
the context.
730
00:42:10,395 --> 00:42:13,805
There's something about
the human face or body
731
00:42:13,815 --> 00:42:16,225
that can be so beautiful or so striking
732
00:42:16,235 --> 00:42:19,185
or so mysterious, or the light.
733
00:42:19,195 --> 00:42:21,835
It's something that just captures you.
734
00:42:23,414 --> 00:42:25,073
- What have
been your inspirations
735
00:42:25,074 --> 00:42:27,672
in your working life?
736
00:42:27,673 --> 00:42:29,572
- Truffaut.
737
00:42:29,573 --> 00:42:31,452
That's the sort of film that I had to
738
00:42:31,453 --> 00:42:33,950
just see again and again.
739
00:42:33,951 --> 00:42:36,170
Photographer after photographer.
740
00:42:36,171 --> 00:42:40,590
People who make extraordinary
from the very ordinary.
741
00:42:40,591 --> 00:42:44,010
And you see such beauty, not
because it's manufactured
742
00:42:44,011 --> 00:42:47,881
but because somehow they
see it, nobody else does.
743
00:42:50,011 --> 00:42:51,630
- So did you
bring any photos that have
744
00:42:51,631 --> 00:42:53,410
good memories for you?
745
00:42:53,411 --> 00:42:56,090
- Well, not so much for the memory
746
00:42:56,091 --> 00:42:59,070
but I brought photos of my cats.
747
00:42:59,071 --> 00:43:01,450
I like this one very much.
748
00:43:01,451 --> 00:43:03,991
It was taken right after he was groomed
749
00:43:03,992 --> 00:43:05,956
and had his hair cut.
750
00:43:07,945 --> 00:43:11,215
My father used to like animals very much.
751
00:43:11,225 --> 00:43:13,035
Especially cats.
752
00:43:13,045 --> 00:43:14,615
- Is your father still alive?
753
00:43:14,625 --> 00:43:18,495
- No, my father
died of cancer 15 years ago.
754
00:43:18,505 --> 00:43:22,155
I don't have any picture
of him in his later years.
755
00:43:22,165 --> 00:43:25,715
So yes, it hurts me
that we didn't get to go
756
00:43:25,725 --> 00:43:29,235
to more places and take
more pictures together.
757
00:43:30,405 --> 00:43:33,495
As a reminder, I keep his hat
758
00:43:33,505 --> 00:43:36,635
and give a glass of water to it every day,
759
00:43:36,645 --> 00:43:39,215
and my cats drink from them.
760
00:43:39,225 --> 00:43:42,765
I think my father's spirit
is giving water to the cats.
761
00:43:44,144 --> 00:43:48,063
- Is that why you
take pictures of your cats?
762
00:43:48,064 --> 00:43:50,434
- Yes, I think so.
763
00:43:51,944 --> 00:43:53,443
- You told me
you've never seen the lenses
764
00:43:53,444 --> 00:43:56,694
you've assembled being used,
so what does it feel like?
765
00:43:57,943 --> 00:44:00,802
- I've assembled over 100 of these.
766
00:44:00,803 --> 00:44:04,022
So I thought maybe I'll
be tired of seeing them,
767
00:44:04,023 --> 00:44:07,862
but when I see as a
finished product in use,
768
00:44:07,863 --> 00:44:10,273
I think it's very cool.
769
00:44:25,743 --> 00:44:28,833
I'm thrilled to see the
product I put together.
770
00:44:30,362 --> 00:44:32,792
I think it looks great.
771
00:44:42,083 --> 00:44:43,603
- Now we're doing better,
come back a little bit more.
772
00:44:43,604 --> 00:44:44,792
There you go.
773
00:44:48,201 --> 00:44:50,180
Now let's just, let me see here.
774
00:44:50,181 --> 00:44:52,060
My handsome assistant as you put it,
775
00:44:52,061 --> 00:44:54,400
angle the head, there you go.
776
00:44:54,401 --> 00:44:55,531
Yes, straight.
777
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,459
Well the most important
thing is communication
778
00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:01,299
in my photography and so
I try to basically involve
779
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,590
the talent in my vision
and share every moment.
780
00:45:06,769 --> 00:45:09,098
Now let's just, let me see here.
781
00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:11,478
Chin up for me just a little bit.
782
00:45:11,479 --> 00:45:12,379
Angle the head a little bit more.
783
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:14,718
You can never make them feel
or have any sort of sense
784
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,038
that you are not in control and
don't know what you're doing
785
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:19,478
'cause they'll eat you alive.
786
00:45:19,479 --> 00:45:21,418
Let's bring the front end of this out.
787
00:45:21,419 --> 00:45:23,038
Let me get my camera.
788
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,078
Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing yet,
789
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:25,958
I'm just making it up as we go along.
790
00:45:25,959 --> 00:45:27,178
Bring that forward to me.
791
00:45:27,179 --> 00:45:29,418
I always loved white shirts on...
792
00:45:29,419 --> 00:45:31,778
We did that the last time
with Diahann Carroll actually.
793
00:45:31,779 --> 00:45:33,739
We did a dark shirt, but a
man's shirt which looked great.
794
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:34,997
- Yeah, I love it.
795
00:45:34,998 --> 00:45:36,397
- Yeah, I think this will look good.
796
00:45:36,398 --> 00:45:38,317
But I try to keep a happy medium
797
00:45:38,318 --> 00:45:39,717
with me still being in charge
798
00:45:39,718 --> 00:45:41,938
and that's how I really get my portraits.
799
00:45:43,157 --> 00:45:44,816
That's beautiful right there.
800
00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:53,816
Just a little bit...
- Yeah.
801
00:45:53,817 --> 00:45:55,296
- That's always where the
tension shows up first,
802
00:45:55,297 --> 00:45:56,996
is in the jaw 'cause the jaw is like...
803
00:45:56,997 --> 00:45:58,916
- Also, I have a humongous jaw.
804
00:45:58,917 --> 00:46:00,496
- No no, see I think
you've got a great jaw.
805
00:46:00,497 --> 00:46:01,756
Actually, your face is perfect.
806
00:46:01,757 --> 00:46:05,086
It's the kind of jaw that's
an easy jaw to light.
807
00:46:05,087 --> 00:46:07,036
For a DP or somebody, it's perfect.
808
00:46:07,037 --> 00:46:09,596
It can be a big jaw but it's
an easy one to just cut.
809
00:46:17,577 --> 00:46:18,967
Number six.
810
00:46:20,276 --> 00:46:22,155
This is the real secret of the arts.
811
00:46:22,156 --> 00:46:23,835
Always be a beginner.
812
00:46:23,836 --> 00:46:26,175
Number five, sleep, it's overrated.
813
00:46:26,176 --> 00:46:28,235
You can sleep when you get home.
814
00:46:28,236 --> 00:46:29,875
Well you know, I've shot for so many years
815
00:46:29,876 --> 00:46:31,015
in the movie business,
816
00:46:31,016 --> 00:46:33,395
shooting motion picture
campaigns and personalities,
817
00:46:33,396 --> 00:46:35,175
and I've been teaching for the
better part believe it or not
818
00:46:35,176 --> 00:46:38,575
of almost 30 years and being
able to share my vision
819
00:46:38,576 --> 00:46:40,415
with those that are passionate
and are starting to get
820
00:46:40,416 --> 00:46:42,015
involved and engaged in photography
821
00:46:42,016 --> 00:46:43,395
has been a big thing for me.
822
00:46:43,396 --> 00:46:44,435
The bottom line is,
823
00:46:44,436 --> 00:46:46,775
I'm not interested at all in
what you know, I'm interested
824
00:46:46,776 --> 00:46:49,675
in what you don't know to
push you to that next level.
825
00:46:52,316 --> 00:46:54,835
You can't teach people how to have an eye.
826
00:46:54,836 --> 00:46:56,595
There have been these great
cases and that's really
827
00:46:56,596 --> 00:46:58,475
the reward for a teacher.
828
00:46:58,476 --> 00:47:00,875
When you can actually
turn that light switch on.
829
00:47:00,876 --> 00:47:03,775
To bring that talent
forward is so exciting
830
00:47:03,776 --> 00:47:05,415
and so rewarding at the end of the day
831
00:47:05,416 --> 00:47:07,876
and you see that you've
actually changed someone's life.
832
00:47:10,895 --> 00:47:11,925
That's great.
833
00:47:15,554 --> 00:47:16,944
You still look great.
834
00:47:20,073 --> 00:47:21,372
Wet your lips for me.
835
00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:24,110
Now real strong, right down
the barrel of the lens here.
836
00:47:26,612 --> 00:47:28,649
Yeah that's better.
837
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:29,630
Chin up just a tiny bit.
838
00:47:29,631 --> 00:47:32,169
In 1968, growing up in Kansas City,
839
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:34,009
I borrowed a friend's camera and I said,
840
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:36,709
I have third row seats to
Jimi Hendrix in concert
841
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:38,449
and I wanna take some pictures.
842
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:40,409
And I shot two rolls of film back then
843
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:42,369
and the following morning
processed the film
844
00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:45,469
in his basement-turned-darkroom
and when I saw this image
845
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:47,409
come up magically on this
white piece of paper,
846
00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:49,669
I was totally hooked.
847
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:50,909
In the early days,
848
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:52,529
all my pictures were
pretty interchangeable.
849
00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:54,369
The lights were like
right over the camera.
850
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:56,529
They all looked like
postage stamps, so to say.
851
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:58,389
It really wasn't until I
started moving the light
852
00:47:58,390 --> 00:48:00,149
off the center of camera.
853
00:48:00,150 --> 00:48:02,609
My early shoot with Tom Waits for example.
854
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:05,289
And when I started creating
a relationship between my
855
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:08,449
harder, harsh shadows
and my strong highlights,
856
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:10,349
I started seeing something
that I found interesting
857
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:11,629
and I started thinking, "Well
you know I'm gonna try that"
858
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:13,609
"on my next shoot" and
started to pursue that,
859
00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:16,309
and then all of a sudden it
became part of my repertoire.
860
00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:19,149
For me it was about having
irreverent disregard
861
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:22,669
for detail shadow, I was
never about the Codec moment.
862
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:25,549
I was really about
shaping and forming a face
863
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:26,929
with light and shadow,
864
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:29,029
and that's how I kinda developed my style.
865
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:31,969
- Not bad
for a 48-year-old, right?
866
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:33,189
- He's gonna bring the gloves up.
867
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:36,788
We're gonna go mainly
just real dramatic light.
868
00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:39,266
This is still the executioner.
869
00:48:39,267 --> 00:48:40,957
Before The Alien.
870
00:48:40,965 --> 00:48:42,415
- This is history.
- It is history.
871
00:48:42,423 --> 00:48:43,762
- Before The Alien.
- I know.
872
00:48:43,763 --> 00:48:46,622
- Really, the executioner has retired.
873
00:48:46,623 --> 00:48:48,362
- Yeah, well he's now The Alien.
874
00:48:48,363 --> 00:48:49,843
So give me a kick in the
dark eye there, Brian.
875
00:48:49,844 --> 00:48:52,256
Really good, right down the lens.
876
00:48:52,257 --> 00:48:54,076
Angle the head just a little bit this way.
877
00:48:54,077 --> 00:48:55,136
Perfect.
878
00:48:57,097 --> 00:48:59,276
We live in an exciting time
and the overall picture
879
00:48:59,277 --> 00:49:03,176
of photography has changed so
greatly from the early days.
880
00:49:03,177 --> 00:49:04,927
Better, yeah, stronger.
881
00:49:06,696 --> 00:49:08,375
After switching to digital,
882
00:49:08,376 --> 00:49:10,415
I pretty much know when
I've got the picture
883
00:49:10,416 --> 00:49:12,555
and that frees me up as an
artist to maybe get out of my
884
00:49:12,556 --> 00:49:16,166
staid style and push myself
a little bit further.
885
00:49:17,355 --> 00:49:19,045
There was a kid, there
was a doorman at the hotel
886
00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:20,505
where I was staying that
was a model with one of the
887
00:49:20,514 --> 00:49:23,213
agencies and he knew who I was
and he was getting off work
888
00:49:23,214 --> 00:49:24,993
at four o'clock and I said,
"You wanna run uptown?"
889
00:49:24,994 --> 00:49:28,213
"I've got a camera to play
with for a couple of hours."
890
00:49:28,214 --> 00:49:30,413
And I went up and I shot some
pictures with just natural
891
00:49:30,414 --> 00:49:33,213
window light and a reflector
and I just couldn't believe
892
00:49:33,214 --> 00:49:35,653
how well digital sees
light in low-luminance
893
00:49:35,654 --> 00:49:37,453
and it made me realize that this is
894
00:49:37,454 --> 00:49:38,793
obviously where everything is going.
895
00:49:38,794 --> 00:49:41,673
Film never was capable
of making those captures.
896
00:49:43,154 --> 00:49:44,473
Good.
897
00:49:44,474 --> 00:49:45,673
Oh those are great.
898
00:49:45,674 --> 00:49:46,954
That's fantastic.
899
00:49:48,213 --> 00:49:49,572
- Do the stare down?
900
00:49:49,573 --> 00:49:51,052
- Do the stare down right now.
901
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:54,213
Better, yeah.
902
00:49:54,214 --> 00:49:56,014
- No wonder I've been beating these guys.
903
00:49:56,015 --> 00:49:58,290
I've been scaring 'em!
904
00:49:58,291 --> 00:49:59,791
- This will be pretty cool and
we'll get this all oiled up
905
00:49:59,792 --> 00:50:01,288
and then sprayed.
906
00:50:01,289 --> 00:50:03,048
- Does he bullshit you?
907
00:50:03,049 --> 00:50:05,128
- Sometimes, yeah, he bullshits you.
908
00:50:05,129 --> 00:50:07,648
You gotta bullshit you
to sort of kind you over
909
00:50:07,649 --> 00:50:09,408
to get you to the next level.
910
00:50:09,409 --> 00:50:10,488
"You're doing well, you're doing well."
911
00:50:10,489 --> 00:50:13,448
But he's still trying to
get the best, you know?
912
00:50:13,449 --> 00:50:16,668
So he gets you to think that
913
00:50:16,669 --> 00:50:18,768
you're almost there,
so that's the bullshit.
914
00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:21,708
He's a big bullshitter, and that's good.
915
00:50:25,329 --> 00:50:27,528
- Really piercing eyes
right through the lens.
916
00:50:27,529 --> 00:50:29,688
One of the great things about
working with personalities
917
00:50:29,689 --> 00:50:33,359
is the opportunity to realize
their vision sometimes.
918
00:50:34,828 --> 00:50:36,507
One of the last times Michael
called me and he said,
919
00:50:36,508 --> 00:50:38,647
"You know, Greg, I have
these pet tarantulas"
920
00:50:38,648 --> 00:50:40,827
"and they have just shed their skin."
921
00:50:40,828 --> 00:50:42,427
He said "I think they
might be great for a shot."
922
00:50:42,428 --> 00:50:44,786
"I don't know what we'll do
but can I bring the bodies?"
923
00:50:44,787 --> 00:50:45,926
Because they're just like a shell,
924
00:50:45,927 --> 00:50:48,246
like snake when it sheds it skin.
925
00:50:48,247 --> 00:50:51,126
Then we actually ended up gaffer
taping them to his forehead
926
00:50:51,127 --> 00:50:54,537
and this became one of his
iconic images later on in life.
927
00:50:55,486 --> 00:50:57,445
The stories and the memories
that I have, the memoirs
928
00:50:57,446 --> 00:51:00,736
of all the years are extraordinary.
929
00:51:03,226 --> 00:51:05,205
I have such fond memories
like of Betty Davis
930
00:51:05,206 --> 00:51:07,485
and the times that we spent
together editing pictures
931
00:51:07,486 --> 00:51:09,405
sitting in her living room
and the stories that went
932
00:51:09,406 --> 00:51:11,076
back and forth.
933
00:51:21,366 --> 00:51:24,105
I share them with friends
and all when we're together,
934
00:51:24,106 --> 00:51:25,945
funny little quips and stories
but it's something that
935
00:51:25,946 --> 00:51:28,916
I think is really between
the talent and myself.
936
00:51:30,966 --> 00:51:35,025
The styles today have changed so greatly.
937
00:51:35,026 --> 00:51:37,425
They're much looser.
938
00:51:37,426 --> 00:51:39,705
They're much more of a casual nature
939
00:51:39,706 --> 00:51:41,885
which was never what I did.
940
00:51:41,886 --> 00:51:44,045
See now let's open that
shoulder up to me, there you go.
941
00:51:44,046 --> 00:51:45,665
And now bring your face
up, and now three-quarters
942
00:51:45,666 --> 00:51:47,785
come out this way just a
little bit there, that's good.
943
00:51:47,786 --> 00:51:49,705
Now come into her.
944
00:51:49,706 --> 00:51:51,205
All the way, there you go.
945
00:51:51,206 --> 00:51:52,046
And you don't need to look at me,
946
00:51:52,047 --> 00:51:54,147
you can look off right here, there you go.
947
00:51:54,148 --> 00:51:56,305
Open your chest up to me
even more, there you go.
948
00:51:56,306 --> 00:51:57,286
More.
949
00:51:57,287 --> 00:52:00,685
I think my work is very
staged, very calculated.
950
00:52:00,686 --> 00:52:03,645
Extremely orchestrated, it's
really about fine-tuning,
951
00:52:03,646 --> 00:52:05,205
more like a painting, like a sculpture
952
00:52:05,206 --> 00:52:06,925
and that's really the
style that I developed
953
00:52:06,926 --> 00:52:08,985
and that's what I became
kind of known for.
954
00:52:08,986 --> 00:52:10,376
We'll get a chill down
here, let's just go outside
955
00:52:10,384 --> 00:52:12,583
for five minutes and freshen
up, we'll come back in,
956
00:52:12,584 --> 00:52:13,723
we'll look at some videos.
957
00:52:13,724 --> 00:52:16,494
I see more emotions from
my teaching these days.
958
00:52:17,803 --> 00:52:19,522
Thank you all very much.
959
00:52:19,523 --> 00:52:21,542
On Friday night which is the
last day of my workshops,
960
00:52:21,543 --> 00:52:23,522
I put together a slideshow
961
00:52:23,523 --> 00:52:26,342
of 10 to 12 of each of the students' work.
962
00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:28,622
Seeing that on the big
screen for the first time
963
00:52:28,623 --> 00:52:31,993
and looking at their work,
then I get really emotional.
964
00:52:36,142 --> 00:52:39,181
One of the things I always
talk to my students about
965
00:52:39,182 --> 00:52:42,700
is that never think you've
taken that successful picture.
966
00:52:42,701 --> 00:52:44,940
I know that every time I look
at my work I find something
967
00:52:44,941 --> 00:52:46,620
that could be improved, could be changed,
968
00:52:46,621 --> 00:52:48,151
could be challenged.
969
00:52:49,161 --> 00:52:52,299
And I think that's what keeps driving me.
970
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,320
Once you're so confident
that it's all gonna be
971
00:52:54,321 --> 00:52:57,978
a perfect show and a home
run, that's when you fail.
972
00:53:21,616 --> 00:53:23,195
- The lens I most recently designed
973
00:53:23,196 --> 00:53:25,715
was a correctional system
of the Subaru Telescope
974
00:53:25,716 --> 00:53:28,186
located in Mauna Kea in Hawaii.
975
00:53:29,736 --> 00:53:33,235
The primary mirror is eight-meters-wide,
976
00:53:33,236 --> 00:53:37,266
and my lens corrects the
light that the mirror absorbs.
977
00:53:37,275 --> 00:53:39,245
It's a very high-accuracy lens.
978
00:53:39,255 --> 00:53:41,945
One of the biggest in the world.
979
00:53:41,955 --> 00:53:44,245
And it took two years to make it.
980
00:53:47,995 --> 00:53:50,655
- What got you
interested in this line of work?
981
00:53:51,894 --> 00:53:54,393
- I liked watching movies and TV very much
982
00:53:54,394 --> 00:53:57,124
and was interested in
creating those visuals.
983
00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:00,532
- What movies did you like?
984
00:54:00,533 --> 00:54:03,172
- I like science-fiction movies a lot.
985
00:54:03,173 --> 00:54:05,192
I love the Star Wars series,
986
00:54:05,193 --> 00:54:07,112
the Star Trek series,
987
00:54:07,113 --> 00:54:10,383
and I really love 2001: A Space Odyssey.
988
00:54:11,393 --> 00:54:14,003
- How far can a telescope see?
989
00:54:15,232 --> 00:54:18,591
- I'm not an astronomer, so I
don't know all of the details
990
00:54:18,592 --> 00:54:20,411
but it could reach the galaxies
991
00:54:20,412 --> 00:54:22,791
that are close to the beginning of space,
992
00:54:22,792 --> 00:54:24,902
billions of light-years away.
993
00:54:30,852 --> 00:54:33,191
- If you could
take a photograph from anywhere
994
00:54:33,192 --> 00:54:35,582
about anything, what would it be?
995
00:54:37,251 --> 00:54:40,370
- I'd like to
take photos of the Earth.
996
00:54:40,371 --> 00:54:43,090
I'd like to look down from a space station
997
00:54:43,091 --> 00:54:45,050
or a satellite.
998
00:54:45,051 --> 00:54:47,321
I think that'd be very beautiful.
999
00:54:48,211 --> 00:54:50,710
- Do you think
there's life out there?
1000
00:54:50,711 --> 00:54:52,049
- I think so.
1001
00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:54,849
- What kind of
life do you think it is?
1002
00:54:54,850 --> 00:54:57,669
- Well, it's hard to imagine,
1003
00:54:57,670 --> 00:55:00,009
but it could well look like us.
1004
00:55:00,010 --> 00:55:02,169
- Why do you say that?
1005
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:04,649
- Because there's no
evidence that says Earth is
1006
00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:06,900
the only special planet with life.
1007
00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:11,369
- So how
do you feel about that?
1008
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:14,129
- Both excited and scared.
1009
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:16,429
Because it's hard enough
or people on Earth
1010
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:18,589
to understand each other.
1011
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:21,249
I can't imagine what it would be like if
1012
00:55:21,250 --> 00:55:24,420
we met people from a
completely different world.
1013
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,808
- Looking back, is
there anything in your career
1014
00:55:37,809 --> 00:55:40,099
that you would have done differently?
1015
00:55:40,989 --> 00:55:43,548
- I don't know, I would
have had more theory.
1016
00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:46,568
I wouldn't maybe have
detoured so much into the
1017
00:55:46,569 --> 00:55:50,119
photo-journalistic world and
maybe stayed in the art world.
1018
00:55:51,668 --> 00:55:54,707
But I'm very thankful for
how things have worked out.
1019
00:55:54,708 --> 00:55:57,538
I mean, it's been a fantastic journey.
1020
00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:01,428
- We live in
a world where everybody's
1021
00:56:01,429 --> 00:56:02,726
a photographer.
1022
00:56:02,727 --> 00:56:05,417
Does that change the way you see your job?
1023
00:56:06,706 --> 00:56:08,865
- No, I think it's great that
everybody's a photographer
1024
00:56:08,866 --> 00:56:12,305
because it means that, I
actually know how to photograph
1025
00:56:12,306 --> 00:56:15,465
so my photograph should stand out.
1026
00:56:15,466 --> 00:56:17,445
You know, you've gotta use
all the tricks of the trade
1027
00:56:17,446 --> 00:56:19,365
and then of course, you
do need to have the latest
1028
00:56:19,366 --> 00:56:22,825
and greatest lenses if you're
going to capture, you know,
1029
00:56:22,826 --> 00:56:24,916
a guy flying through the air.
1030
00:56:28,086 --> 00:56:31,376
It is down to the photographer, 100%.
1031
00:56:33,106 --> 00:56:35,465
- Is your craft hard work?
1032
00:56:35,466 --> 00:56:38,665
- At the end of the day, I'm beat.
1033
00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,216
I just want to go home and lay down.
1034
00:56:42,285 --> 00:56:44,055
It aches everywhere.
1035
00:56:44,065 --> 00:56:47,175
Legs, back, knees, head.
1036
00:56:47,185 --> 00:56:49,135
Everywhere.
1037
00:56:49,145 --> 00:56:50,595
- Do you think
you're getting too old for it?
1038
00:56:52,605 --> 00:56:53,895
- Maybe.
1039
00:56:53,905 --> 00:56:57,235
I feel a lot older than I really am.
1040
00:57:10,665 --> 00:57:12,095
- What area
of photography have you
1041
00:57:12,105 --> 00:57:14,505
not worked in that you wish you had?
1042
00:57:15,744 --> 00:57:19,083
- Believe it not, wildlife
and landscape probably
1043
00:57:19,084 --> 00:57:21,563
'cause I've always made a
joke that I've never been able
1044
00:57:21,564 --> 00:57:22,983
or successful at shooting anything
1045
00:57:22,984 --> 00:57:24,303
that couldn't talk back to me.
1046
00:57:24,304 --> 00:57:26,943
- I tell myself I don't like you,
1047
00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:28,923
and I'm gonna rip your head
off and it gives me that
1048
00:57:28,924 --> 00:57:31,564
natural look without me trying to fake it.
1049
00:57:31,565 --> 00:57:32,622
- Yeah, yeah.
1050
00:57:32,623 --> 00:57:34,902
- Are your children
interested in photography?
1051
00:57:34,903 --> 00:57:39,602
- Yes, my oldest son is in
Africa on a photo safari.
1052
00:57:39,603 --> 00:57:43,242
He has more expensive equipment than I do.
1053
00:57:43,243 --> 00:57:45,222
- Are the pictures any good?
1054
00:57:45,223 --> 00:57:46,682
- No, not really.
1055
00:57:46,683 --> 00:57:49,093
But he seems pleased.
1056
00:57:54,163 --> 00:57:57,633
- Can you imagine
a life without a camera?
1057
00:58:02,383 --> 00:58:03,821
- No.
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