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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,033 Edited at https://subtitletools.com 2 00:02:21,892 --> 00:02:24,554 -(|ndistinct dialogue on TV) -(Dog barking) 3 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:28,311 -(Whining) -(McQueen) Sminky-Pinky. 4 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:29,809 Minks. 5 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:48,991 -(Mira) You mean like a... -"V_” 6 00:02:49,211 --> 00:02:50,701 (Mira) A "v"? All right. 7 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:54,129 (Ads playing on TV in the background) 8 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:14,516 (Tape plays) 9 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:16,651 (McQueen speaking) 10 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,995 (Slow song playing) 11 00:03:35,924 --> 00:03:37,835 (McKitterick) Lots of people say, "I discovered Alexander McQueen. " 12 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:42,047 But you don ’t discover talent. Talent's there. 13 00:03:42,139 --> 00:03:45,472 You open doors for talent. You push it through or you help it along. 14 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:50,052 No one discovered Alexander McQueen. Alexander McQueen discovered himself. 15 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:54,856 (McKitterick) Lee had this very strange CV. 16 00:03:55,736 --> 00:03:57,567 (McQueen) I wasn’t very good at school. 17 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:01,356 l was always drawing clothes in every lesson, 18 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:05,200 in science, in biology and... 19 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,580 But I used to enjoy art most. 20 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,997 (Joyce) When he left school he wasn't sure what he wanted to do. 21 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:18,296 He was out of work. Looking forwork, I should say. 22 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:22,668 Because my husband's very strict on the children going out to work. 23 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:26,593 We was watching a television programme one evening 24 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:30,559 and they was saying that they couldn't get apprentices 25 00:04:30,812 --> 00:04:32,348 to work in Savile Row. 26 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:35,309 So I just said to him, "Why don 't you go and try? 27 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:39,313 "Just knock on the door. They can only either say yes or no." 28 00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:41,603 And that's exactly what he done. 29 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:47,488 (Hitchcock) Anderson & Sheppard started in 1906. 30 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:49,494 We like to do things slightly different to other people. 31 00:04:50,916 --> 00:04:51,951 We have a house style. 32 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:54,491 That's what we're going to teach the apprentices to make. 33 00:04:58,715 --> 00:05:02,082 (McQueen) l was taught by a master tailor from County Cork in Ireland. 34 00:05:02,344 --> 00:05:04,460 (Hitchcock) He was the best tailor we had on the premises. 35 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:06,920 You start off padding collars, putting in pockets, 36 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,389 but you're expected to make a full jacket 37 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:12,635 ready for fitting by the end of the first year. 38 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:13,928 As soon as you put it on, 39 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:16,058 it should fit like a glove and you know it's made for you. 40 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,937 (McQueen) I knew I couldn't survive in a place like that for the rest of my life, 41 00:05:20,529 --> 00:05:24,021 cluttered in a small workshop, sitting on the bench, padding lapels. 42 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,531 But I did have a passion and l was good at it. 43 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:30,949 l was good at tailoring a jacket. I was quick at learning trousers. 44 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:34,076 I wanted to learn everything. "Give me everything." 45 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,201 (Tatsuno) It was the beginning of the '905 46 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:40,166 when I had a bespoke tailoring shop in Mount Street 47 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:42,004 and he just walked in one day. 48 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:44,090 He looked like a skinhead, 49 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:47,302 but he just told me he can cut a frock coat 50 00:05:47,514 --> 00:05:50,506 much better than the 50-year-old tailor I had. 51 00:05:50,934 --> 00:05:53,801 So I was very curious and ljust told him, 52 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:56,516 "OK, show me what you can do." 53 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,308 I never really made clothes in a traditional way. 54 00:06:01,403 --> 00:06:03,359 l was experimenting myself 55 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:07,193 in how to create structure and volumes. 56 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:11,868 l'd begun to just take in material, any material. 57 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:16,365 And, by putting them all together, somehow you can start to create 58 00:06:16,585 --> 00:06:18,325 this three-dimensional form. 59 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:20,459 He wanted to understand 60 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:23,042 why I'm doing it this way or that way. 61 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:28,844 (Janet) When Lee was 17, he said, "I'll make you a couple of skirts. " 62 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:32,714 And I've got to say, they fitted like a glove. 63 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:36,176 They were so fitted to my body 64 00:06:36,313 --> 00:06:38,349 I couldn't even move my legs, hardly, 65 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:40,813 but I used to get compliments on this skirt. 66 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:43,187 I did use to wonder, 67 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:46,736 "I hope he finds the right thing for himself in life." 68 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,023 (McKitterick) He was a sweet boy from the East End, 69 00:06:50,285 --> 00:06:51,866 looking to make money. 70 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:53,614 We needed technical help, 71 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:55,366 machinists, pattern cutters. 72 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,747 We needed people who had hands-on experience 73 00:06:58,001 --> 00:06:59,116 in making clothes. 74 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:02,210 He gave me no attitude, was never late, 75 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:04,538 always knew what he was doing, always delivered. 76 00:07:05,508 --> 00:07:09,672 He listened continually to Sinéad O'Connor, which was quite odd. 77 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:12,342 No one else liked Sinéad O'Connor at the time 78 00:07:14,392 --> 00:07:17,225 | always remember him with his Walkman on, listening to Sinéad O'Connor. 79 00:07:17,646 --> 00:07:20,683 (Man) Three, two, one, ignition. 80 00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:22,647 Lift-off. 81 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,020 (McKitterick) Red or Dead was this very young streetwear company. 82 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:30,901 When I said to him that the Space Baby collection 83 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:35,236 was based on the anniversary of the men landing on the moon, 84 00:07:35,622 --> 00:07:36,987 he was like, "What?" 85 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:40,415 He didn’t know that you could take a subject 86 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:46,462 and actually get inspiration from that to design clothing. 87 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:48,123 So, he didn’t understand 88 00:07:48,343 --> 00:07:50,959 this idea of visual research 89 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:53,511 or historic references or sexual references. 90 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,757 (Control) We copy you on the ground. (Armstrong) The Eagle has landed. 91 00:07:57,102 --> 00:07:58,933 He must have asked me questions, 92 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,974 "What can I do next? How can I push myself fonrvard?" 93 00:08:02,232 --> 00:08:03,688 And at the time 94 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,855 all the designers in Italy were opening diffusion lines. 95 00:08:09,531 --> 00:08:11,487 He went to Italy with no language, 96 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:14,533 no place to stay, no money, no qualifications. 97 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:19,947 I thought, "Within a week he’ll be back with his tail between his legs. " 98 00:08:22,794 --> 00:08:24,955 A week later, maybe 10 days, 99 00:08:25,255 --> 00:08:26,711 I get a call from Lee from Italy. 100 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:29,623 (Chuckling) He'd landed a job as an assistant for Romeo Gig/i. 101 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,626 To say l was shocked was an understatement. 102 00:08:34,681 --> 00:08:37,514 (Gigli) I said to him, "OK, I'm looking for a new jacket. 103 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,507 "l have in my mind this shape 104 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:42,519 "but my tailors, they cannot reach that shape. 105 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:44,930 "Maybe you can help me to do it." 106 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,561 And we start to do that jacket 107 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:49,893 and within the first fitting 108 00:08:50,321 --> 00:08:53,779 I say, "No, it's wrong. That is not what I'm looking for." 109 00:08:54,492 --> 00:08:58,030 So with the tailor, with Lee, they did one more. 110 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:02,372 We did the second fitting and again I take out the lining, 111 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:04,953 look inside the jacket and it was wrong. 112 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:08,544 Third fitting I say, "No, it's incorrect. " 113 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:13,337 And I take out the lining and inside the jacket 114 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:16,294 Lee wrote with a black pen, 115 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:18,091 "Fuck you, Romeo." 116 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,723 That was a time when l was looking for new shapes, 117 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:25,595 for shapes, for shapes... 118 00:09:25,815 --> 00:09:29,182 And he was looking so deeply and hard. 119 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:33,729 He was really deeply looking to understand everything. 120 00:09:34,449 --> 00:09:36,485 He was leaving my studio 121 00:09:36,659 --> 00:09:39,776 because he wanted to study more and more and more. 122 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:43,905 (Bobby) You can 't teach talent. 123 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:48,209 But what you can do is make them better at what they do, or more professional. 124 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:51,838 And to me, the whole thinking behind this MA 125 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:54,962 was to make them work in teams, working together, 126 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,967 as you do in the fashion world. 127 00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:00,509 I saw this unprepossessing, I must say, 128 00:10:01,309 --> 00:10:02,640 very shabby, 129 00:10:02,811 --> 00:10:04,392 very unattractive... 130 00:10:04,521 --> 00:10:07,604 I hate to even say this but it was true. 131 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:12,650 ...boy with a bundle of clothes over his arm outside my office. 132 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,316 So I said to him, "Who are you looking for?" 133 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:17,822 And he said, "I've come to see you." 134 00:10:18,827 --> 00:10:21,660 But I had no job, which he said he was after. 135 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:24,658 The whole thing intrigued me. He was passionate. 136 00:10:24,749 --> 00:10:27,741 And to me this is the secret, really. 137 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:30,122 You... If you tap into that. 138 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,669 (Chuckles) I found myself saying, 139 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,755 "Well, I think you should come on my course." 140 00:10:35,093 --> 00:10:38,256 And I couldn't offer him money. That was really sad. 141 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:40,132 And it was patently obvious he had none. 142 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:42,506 Aunt Renee said she had money in the bank, 143 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:45,721 sitting there not doing anything, and she would rather help Lee. 144 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:47,760 She'd worked in the rag trade. 145 00:10:48,022 --> 00:10:50,104 She knew that Lee had talent. 146 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,890 And he came back and said, 147 00:10:52,026 --> 00:10:54,859 "My aunt is going to pay the fees 148 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:57,023 "and I'm coming." 149 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:00,774 (McQueen) Saint Martins was the place to go. 150 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:03,360 But what I liked about it was the freedom of expression 151 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,912 and being surrounded by like-minded people. 152 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:12,085 We got on really well because we had the same sense of humour. 153 00:11:12,422 --> 00:11:16,461 And he laughed all the time, so he was just funny and disrespectful. 154 00:11:17,427 --> 00:11:22,217 And he’d do catwalk shows down the corridor. He'd just muck around. 155 00:11:22,307 --> 00:11:24,298 Whenever he could muck around, he'd muck around. 156 00:11:25,435 --> 00:11:27,517 l was teaching there at the time as well. 157 00:11:27,812 --> 00:11:30,554 And he was not frightened to tell people, "I know better than you. " 158 00:11:31,357 --> 00:11:32,642 Even the tutors. 159 00:11:32,817 --> 00:11:36,230 He was a bit of a nightmare student because he knew so much. 160 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,066 I'm sure he was a pain and did interrupt people. 161 00:11:39,449 --> 00:11:41,280 He didn't actually dare interrupt me. 162 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:45,151 But he used it. He used it as I intended him to use it. 163 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:48,663 And he'd come to a painting or a book 164 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,116 and, not having had a formal education, 165 00:11:51,753 --> 00:11:53,459 it was all new to him. 166 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:57,630 And that was it. He reinterpreted things in his way. 167 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,758 It wasn't filtered through, as with a lot of us 168 00:12:00,929 --> 00:12:03,841 who'd had more conventional backgrounds. 169 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,217 I loved that. 170 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:09,760 He knew where to go for everything. London was his town. 171 00:12:10,188 --> 00:12:11,553 "Where do I get my buttonholes?" 172 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:14,351 He’d go, "You want to go to Martin in Soho. " 173 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:18,226 ”If you want fabric, then you want to go to Ben/vick Street, Shepherd's Bush. " 174 00:12:20,031 --> 00:12:23,740 He would take me to gay bars and he would take me to lesbian bars 175 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,654 and he'd, like, sit me there and he'd go, 176 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:27,610 "This is what you want. This is what you want." 177 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:31,114 I'd go, "No, ljust want to go home. Can ljust go home and do my homework?" 178 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:35,035 (Bobby) The course always ended with the degree show. 179 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:39,414 No other college had ever been invited, as lwas, 180 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:45,466 (McKitterick) He called me when he was finishing the final collection 181 00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:49,174 and asked me to come in to have a look and talk to him about it. 182 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:50,634 It had all the elements. 183 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:53,678 It had the history of the East End. 184 00:12:53,982 --> 00:12:57,349 It had the darkness, Jack the Ripper stalks his victims. 185 00:12:57,610 --> 00:13:01,194 It had the research. It had a really great story behind it. 186 00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:03,984 (Rebecca) He was reading books like Perfume, 187 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:05,823 which is all about the murder of women, 188 00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:09,528 and he had a very dark side to him as well, 189 00:13:09,664 --> 00:13:12,280 so he was drawing from all of these influences 190 00:13:12,583 --> 00:13:17,202 and then creating something very beautiful out of it. 191 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:21,669 (Fast-paced instrumental music) 192 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:40,691 (Blow) The pieces went past me and they moved in a way I've never seen. 193 00:13:43,489 --> 00:13:46,606 And I wanted them. They were modern. They were classical. 194 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:55,456 He would do a black coat and then he'd line it with human hair. 195 00:13:55,626 --> 00:13:58,333 And it was blood-red inside so it was like a body. 196 00:13:58,546 --> 00:14:00,832 It was like flesh with blood. 197 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:05,341 And I just thought, 198 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:07,756 "This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. " 199 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:12,849 It was about sabotage and tradition, which is the perfect combination, 200 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:14,888 and beauty and violence. 201 00:14:15,313 --> 00:14:18,100 All the things that I suppose the '903 represent. 202 00:14:18,483 --> 00:14:20,314 (Applause) 203 00:14:20,651 --> 00:14:22,437 (Reporter) How difficult is it to discover genius? 204 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:25,186 (Blow) Not at all difficult, cos they have it and l spot it. 205 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:28,610 If you're interested in late 20th-century clothes, 206 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:30,817 Isabella Blow is a big player. 207 00:14:31,329 --> 00:14:34,412 (Blow) l was at American Vogue and Anna Wintour discovered me 208 00:14:34,582 --> 00:14:36,994 and I worked for her and then I went to British Vogue. 209 00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:40,335 McQueen was her knight and she was gonna take him to the top. 210 00:14:40,463 --> 00:14:41,498 She was determined. 211 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:44,623 (Blow) ljust knew. I rang up his mother and said, "You've produced a genius." 212 00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:47,879 You know, he's like the Saint Laurent of the year 2000. 213 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:49,752 And his mother said to him, 214 00:14:49,847 --> 00:14:53,385 "Look, there's this mad woman who keeps trying to call us. 215 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:55,300 "She wants some of your clothes." 216 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:57,848 I rang between six and eight times a day. 217 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,562 Finally I got a little voice on the end of the line, "Hello?" 218 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:04,188 I said, "Can I make an appointment with you? My name's Isabella Blow." 219 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,315 I don't know to this day if he knew who I was. 220 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:08,775 No, ljust wanted the money. I was desperate for money. 221 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:11,695 I wasn't interested in him either. I just wanted the clothes. 222 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:13,446 I didn't give her no money off. 223 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:15,953 I said, "That's 350, love. You can take it or leave it." 224 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:17,989 And... 225 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:19,369 And she loved that. 226 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:26,297 (Bobby) It wasn’t until I went to the Bluebird Garage collection 227 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:27,999 that he did that I... 228 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:31,047 Well, I just thought, "What have I unleashed?" 229 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:34,548 And he walked across and said, "I owe it all to you, " 230 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,849 which I thought was very, very sweet 231 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:38,725 because it was far from true. 232 00:15:38,813 --> 00:15:43,307 He'd worked every... Every inch of the way himself. 233 00:15:44,444 --> 00:15:47,936 (Triumphal music) 234 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:58,826 Every fashion designer wants to create an illusion, 235 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,333 create things that disturb and fascinate people. 236 00:16:02,503 --> 00:16:04,664 Clothes are really beautiful to work with, 237 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,662 but there's also a reality outside. 238 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:08,122 Some people don't want to hear it. 239 00:16:08,342 --> 00:16:11,584 It's all Iovey-dovey and everything's fine in the world all the time. 240 00:16:11,846 --> 00:16:13,086 And I tell it the way it is. 241 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:18,300 (Andrew) In the ’903, you used to make clothes to go out. 242 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:20,514 You used to make something just for that night. 243 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:24,351 You're going to this nightclub. This person is on, or that DJ. 244 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,311 "Right, what are we going to do?" 245 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:30,066 I think Lee took everything. I mean, that's one of Lee’s strengths. 246 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:33,235 He took a lot of Boweiy’s aesthetic. 247 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:36,530 lt's transgressive, it’s in-your-face. 248 00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:40,121 And he thought, "How does this translate onto a runway?" 249 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,119 Lee also used that language of fetish 250 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:46,415 in terms of rubber and latex and leather 251 00:16:47,215 --> 00:16:49,547 and put it into his fashion design. 252 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:54,836 We started going out with each other but part of me was thinking, 253 00:16:54,972 --> 00:16:57,839 "But also it's quite useful cos I can sew as well. " 254 00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:00,599 It was literally anyone that could sew. 255 00:17:00,811 --> 00:17:03,848 It didn’t matter whether they were any good at sewing or not. 256 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,139 Were they willing to come and sit in the studio 257 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:07,890 for, like, 16 hours a day? 258 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:09,934 And were they going to be fun to be around? 259 00:17:10,071 --> 00:17:14,440 Lee was the badly-behaved, naughty school boy 260 00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:17,450 that was always doing pranks on people in the pub, 261 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,948 and that's the person that I liked and loved. 262 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:21,784 (Cheering) 263 00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:27,163 (McQueen speaking) 264 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,996 (Upbeat music plays) 265 00:17:31,092 --> 00:17:35,176 (Mira) At the time I first met Lee, lwas living in Hoxton Square, 266 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,887 and one day in pops this guy 267 00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:41,841 and I kind of figured he had rented, you know, the downstairs. 268 00:17:41,978 --> 00:17:44,094 "Come in for a cup of tea. Come in for a cup of tea. " 269 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,765 And he asked what I did. 270 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:48,731 I said, "Oh, you know, I do grooming for men, hair and make-up. " 271 00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:51,517 And he goes, "Oh. I'm having a show soon. 272 00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:53,523 "Would you do the hair and make-up for the guys?" 273 00:17:53,781 --> 00:17:54,816 And I was like, 274 00:17:54,991 --> 00:17:57,198 "Don't you need to see some of my work first?" 275 00:17:57,493 --> 00:17:59,484 I'd never done a show before, you know, so... 276 00:17:59,954 --> 00:18:03,117 And he's like "No, no, no, no. I can tell. I can tell." 277 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:06,582 (Alice) He said to me one day, "I’ve decided to do my own collection. " 278 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:09,919 I remember thinking "How on earth does he think he's gonna have a business 279 00:18:10,131 --> 00:18:11,291 "and make a collection? 280 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:16,213 "He's got nothing. He's got no money, no wherewithal, no studio, 281 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,087 "nobody to support him and nothing behind him." 282 00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:22,265 And yet he was determined this was what he was going to do. 283 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,722 I survived on unemployment benefit 284 00:18:26,272 --> 00:18:28,308 and I bought all my fabrics. 285 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,854 I bought all my fabrics with my dole money. 286 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:36,279 And I went round to my parents for baked beans 287 00:18:36,407 --> 00:18:38,944 and tins of soup and things like that. 288 00:18:39,702 --> 00:18:42,068 (lmitates violin and laughs) 289 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:47,114 This is my pooch. 290 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:49,617 (Alice) He said to me, "I really need to get a logo. " 291 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,832 We asked my boyfriend at the time if he would design it. 292 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,126 It was my idea to put the "C" inside the "Q", 293 00:18:55,217 --> 00:18:57,503 but then Dave designed the rest of it. 294 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:01,591 He was fantastic at getting people to do a phenomenal amount of work for him. 295 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:03,839 And we were never, ever paid. 296 00:19:04,018 --> 00:19:07,476 In fact, we were paying him to work for him. 297 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:08,848 How amazing is that? 298 00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:12,728 (Mira) Just to be part of it, be part of his vision, yeah. 299 00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:15,985 He had that, even from the very beginning, that pull. 300 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,441 (McQueen) It's so bohemian. Warhol. 301 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:19,734 Yeah. 302 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:21,865 (Mira) Dance your way to success. Come on! 303 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,484 (Cheering and laughing) 304 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:26,237 (Alice) Isabella was very keen to call him Alexander. 305 00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:28,615 She thought it sounded better as a designer. 306 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,287 It sounded grander and more romantic. 307 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:33,461 lssie got criticised for trying to make him posh. 308 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:35,333 So what? Good for lssie. 309 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:38,087 She was just trying to make him successful. And she did. 310 00:19:38,219 --> 00:19:39,755 Alexander McQueen is a brand. 311 00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:42,303 (Reporter) Why do you love her so much, Lee? 312 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:45,348 Cos she's the same as me. She doesn't care what people think. 313 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,133 At the end of the day we're... 314 00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:49,722 We're separate entities to everyone else 315 00:19:49,939 --> 00:19:51,895 and we have our own personal view about things. 316 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:54,139 (Blow) When you fall in love with something, 317 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:57,689 you nurture it and you look after it like it's your... Garden. 318 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,105 People garden, they cook, they do the same thing. 319 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,027 My ingredients are clothes. 320 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:05,322 (Plum) She introduced him to everyone. She championed him. 321 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:08,571 So I suppose what initially started as a work relationship for her 322 00:20:08,666 --> 00:20:10,076 became a creative friendship. 323 00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:12,704 (Andrew) She was someone that was always really excited 324 00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:14,793 and wanted to see the next thing and the new thing 325 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,370 and wanted to push people. 326 00:20:16,507 --> 00:20:17,747 It was never about money. 327 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,417 I never saw any money going backwards and fonrvards between them. 328 00:20:23,097 --> 00:20:26,681 (Detmar) I just remember the laughter, the exciting creativity of the mid-'90s 329 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:29,683 And the adventure they were on this rocket they shot to the moon. 330 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,762 -(Indistinct) -I'm sure you're a hungry little thing. 331 00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:36,144 (Detmar) The early days were very happy days. 332 00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:39,852 They were short times, but they were beautiful and they were funny. 333 00:20:40,364 --> 00:20:41,820 lssie didn't have children 334 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:45,775 so she threw her maternal love to her protégé. 335 00:20:46,495 --> 00:20:49,202 I looked fonivard to seeing him cos he made me laugh so much. 336 00:20:49,665 --> 00:20:51,872 lssie and McQueen had a very dirty sense of humour. 337 00:20:52,293 --> 00:20:54,875 McQueen would describe lssie as a cross between Lucrezia Borgia 338 00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:56,710 and a Billingsgate fish wife. 339 00:20:57,465 --> 00:20:59,501 lssie had a very vulgar humour. 340 00:20:59,717 --> 00:21:02,208 I always found the cooks and the cunts slightly... 341 00:21:03,012 --> 00:21:04,673 Always a bit... (Laughing) Ohl 342 00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:07,467 I wasn't really into their earthy humour. 343 00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:10,515 However rude McQueen got, lssie was even worse. 344 00:21:10,728 --> 00:21:13,936 They loved to play ofi each other like that and be outrageous. 345 00:21:14,023 --> 00:21:15,388 I know Alexander loves birds 346 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:17,522 so I've got this bird hat on designed by Philip. 347 00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:21,318 We're going to do some falconry tomorrow cos Alexander's got a very... 348 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:23,278 He's passionate about birds. 349 00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:25,648 We're going to fly some falcons tomorrow afternoon. 350 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:28,825 (Slow instrumental music plays) 351 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:49,383 (Simon) We did go and stay at Hilles a few times. 352 00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:52,849 You would end up diving into Issie's dressing-up box 353 00:21:53,062 --> 00:21:54,347 and we'd all be wearing 354 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,846 fantastical costumes for dinner and things like that. 355 00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:01,149 The world she inhabited was so far removed 356 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:04,107 from the world that any of us had come from. 357 00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:07,402 There was a sort of unreality to it. 358 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,903 Whenever we went to that house, you just felt so at home. 359 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:15,498 And I think Lee felt very at home there. 360 00:22:16,627 --> 00:22:20,745 (Detmar) They had this big sister, a fun person to be with, who was outrageous. 361 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:23,129 With lssie, "Be as different as you can. 362 00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:25,374 (Laughing) "And keep going! 363 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:27,926 "The more different, the more I love it. " 364 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,221 I really don't like the norm. I don't think it's... 365 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,215 You don't move fonrvards, seriously. 366 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,559 You just don't move fonrvard if you play safe. 367 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:37,727 You really do piss a lot of people off. 368 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,111 (Alice) His first shows were unbelievable. 369 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:47,730 People were winded by them. 370 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:51,113 People walked out. Quite a few acerbic reviews. 371 00:22:51,412 --> 00:22:54,654 But everything else before paled into comparison. 372 00:22:54,832 --> 00:22:56,914 I don't wanna do a show that you walk out of 373 00:22:57,001 --> 00:22:59,834 feeling like you've just had Sunday lunch. 374 00:22:59,962 --> 00:23:05,457 I want you to come out either feeling repulsed or exhilarated. 375 00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,458 As long as it's an emotion. 376 00:23:07,928 --> 00:23:11,341 If you leave without emotion, then I'm not doing myjob properly. 377 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,675 So that's that. 378 00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:16,179 That's the thing about Alexander. I think his clothes are very emotional. 379 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,011 This coat is, like, based on a tramp, 380 00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:21,309 so it's based on someone who hasn't got any money, 381 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:23,808 standing in the street, nowhere to sleep. 382 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,568 You wrap it round yourself, you feel fantastic. 383 00:23:26,989 --> 00:23:29,856 Then you have all this passion and love 384 00:23:30,451 --> 00:23:33,534 and slashing and sex and romance. 385 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:37,537 (McQueen) The idea of the collection was never to produce. 386 00:23:38,459 --> 00:23:40,450 The shows were all about publicity 387 00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:45,330 and creating a marketing ploy for Alexander McQueen, the designer. 388 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,289 (McKitterick) They were impossible to reproduce. 389 00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:49,880 They were made of plastic bags or masking tape. 390 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:51,175 They were show clothes. 391 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:53,220 (Andrew) Lee started doing bumsters. 392 00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:56,219 These were cut so low that you could see the model's pubic hair. 393 00:23:56,644 --> 00:23:58,680 (McQueen) It’s nothing to do with pubic hair. 394 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:01,516 It's just a technical thing where, as a tailor, 395 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,639 you're breaking up the proportion of the body 396 00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:06,563 by lowering the trousers, elongating the torso. 397 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,356 It's nothing to do with bum cleavage. 398 00:24:08,489 --> 00:24:10,855 It's an added bonus if you've got a nice bum. 399 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:12,572 (Detmar) He told that mannequin, 400 00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:15,155 "Put your pubic hairs in Anna I/Ifintour's face. " 401 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,621 It's just funny, naughty behaviour. 402 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,450 You could give Alexander £500 403 00:24:22,711 --> 00:24:24,702 and he could produce 30 pieces of clothing. 404 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,247 (Andrew) He saw some cling film and said "I'm gonna make a dress out of that. " 405 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:30,670 "I'm going to put the model in it, wrap her up. " 406 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:32,881 And he just cut this dress, put a zip in it 407 00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:34,594 and suddenly that went down the runway. 408 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,057 (Mira) Getting a tyre and running it over the suit. 409 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,184 Things like that. Just genius. 410 00:24:41,772 --> 00:24:43,353 (Andrew) £4 worth of lace. 411 00:24:43,607 --> 00:24:45,313 Invisible zip, £1. 412 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:47,607 Sprayed with car spray paint. 413 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:50,653 They probably cost less than £10, those dresses, to make. 414 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:54,482 But, through that weird alchemy of being cut and made by Lee, 415 00:24:54,702 --> 00:24:56,567 suddenly they’re being requested. 416 00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:59,778 Avedon wanted to have this dress for Sharon Stone. 417 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,830 So it has to be in America now. 418 00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:04,868 "We need someone to fly over with the dress on Concorde." 419 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:08,337 That still upsets me to this day. I didn't get to go on Concorde. 420 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:10,164 (Both laughing) 421 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:11,631 It was me. 422 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:14,505 (Andrew) That’s almost the period where I think, 423 00:25:14,722 --> 00:25:16,633 the madness really kicked in. 424 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:19,886 (McQueen) The show was brilliant but I'll wake up tomorrow and think, 425 00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:23,102 "I've got to get a bottle of milk. Where am I going to get 42p from?" 426 00:25:23,439 --> 00:25:24,895 (Andrew) We went to a McDonald’s. 427 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:27,473 We got two cheeseburgers, two fries, two Cokes. 428 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:30,021 And l was that tired that I just dropped the tray 429 00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:32,603 and then we had to pick the food up off the floor. 430 00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,280 And I thought, "This is a weird world, 431 00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:37,946 "that you've just shown the finale of London Fashion Week 432 00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:39,693 "but we haven't got five quid to eat." 433 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:42,037 That's how it is. People have got to understand that. 434 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,199 You're doing fucking fab shows but you've got to start living. 435 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,493 (Andrew) The Clothes Show, you know, BBC One. 436 00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,496 At the time 12 million viewers. You're 22 years old. 437 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,460 You're not in any of the shots 438 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:56,173 and you're dictating the terms on how you're going to appear. 439 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,878 (McQueen) Because I was doing the shows 440 00:25:58,015 --> 00:26:00,427 on money that I got from unemployment benefit, 441 00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:02,849 I could not afford to show my face on camera 442 00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:06,266 because I would be arrested for working as well as signing on. 443 00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:08,184 -Did it piss you off? -(Woman) No. 444 00:26:08,442 --> 00:26:10,103 It should have done. That was the idea. 445 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:17,448 this juxtaposition between a hooligan and someone that uses a needle. 446 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,032 And people couldn't fathom it. 447 00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,610 So it was new. It was a breath of fresh air. 448 00:26:22,206 --> 00:26:25,073 Savile Row, Cockney geezer, ding dong, all of that. 449 00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:27,408 He was aware how seductive that was. 450 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:29,914 I get a bit annoyed when I read that. 451 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,046 He was far from a bad boy. 452 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:37,506 In fact, he was a very loving, happy child 453 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,385 and very generous. 454 00:26:43,185 --> 00:26:46,518 (Andrew) I just remember this one time when I went round his house. 455 00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:49,938 I think I said something was shit or something in front of his mum. 456 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:51,890 He turned round, glared at me and said, 457 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,897 "Don’t you fucking swear in front of my fucking mother." 458 00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:57,942 (Joyce) We were never what people called poor. 459 00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:00,570 My husband was a London taxi driver. 460 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,742 Even though there was six children, 461 00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,495 they all had everything that they should have had. 462 00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:08,123 I don't know, itjust seems... 463 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:12,661 Like, honest, an honest place round here. 464 00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:15,790 You know where you stand, if you know what I mean. 465 00:27:15,926 --> 00:27:18,713 If someone's going to mug you, they tell you before they do it. 466 00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:20,336 (Laughing) I'm onlyjoking. 467 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,389 (Gary) From our granddads, he got the sense of humour, 468 00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:26,349 which was, at times, wicked. 469 00:27:30,065 --> 00:27:31,305 (Laughing) 470 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,270 (Alice) I think that he struggled coming out of that background 471 00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:35,893 and going into the world. 472 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,979 I made the choice to come out to my father. 473 00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:39,776 l'd told all my brothers and sisters and aunts, 474 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,240 but my father was a London taxi driver. 475 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:43,908 He would come home at night and say, 476 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,658 "God, I nearly run over a bloody queer last night in Soho." 477 00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:48,034 I'd have to deal with this. 478 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:52,080 My dad could be a bit cutting sometimes, but he was joking. 479 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:56,497 And if you didn't know him, you'd probably take that the wrong way. 480 00:27:57,342 --> 00:28:00,675 (Mira) Lee's father was saying, "Sell your clothes in Brick Lane, " 481 00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:03,587 never quite understanding what Lee was doing. 482 00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:07,091 (McQueen) My dad wanted me to be some sort of mechanic or something, 483 00:28:07,311 --> 00:28:09,677 but... It never worked out that way. 484 00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:14,606 (Gary) From our nan he got that storytelling, 485 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,317 that dark romance of the Victorian times. 486 00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:21,154 I think that really lent itself to his visions 487 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,490 of the stories that he wanted to tell. 488 00:28:24,411 --> 00:28:25,742 (McQueen) It's all right, Mother. 489 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:32,325 (McQueen) Oh, Mother, come here. (Joyce) No, I'm too ugly. 490 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:34,622 (McQueen speaking) 491 00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:40,040 (Andrew) She was very strong and powerful 492 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,592 and quite a lot was unsaid, 493 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,009 but, my God, you realised there was a really strong bond between them. 494 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,932 (Alice) She made him feel like he could do anything. 495 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:53,387 I always encouraged them to read 496 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,397 and have lots of books 497 00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:59,185 because I myself loved history and things like that. 498 00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:03,193 That's one about a Highland clan. 499 00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:06,900 (Alice) She was looking into the genealogy of the McQueen family 500 00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,320 and aimed at proving 501 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,699 that the McQueens came from McQueens of the Isle of Skye. 502 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:14,916 (Gary) It opened up his world. 503 00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:18,708 He was born in Stratford, but he knew there was this other life for him 504 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:20,664 which came from Scotland. 505 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,749 (Alice) She encouraged the sort of fantasy 506 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,961 and excitement of those stories 507 00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:26,382 and Lee went with it. 508 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:32,096 (McQueen) You have two types of Scotland people will associate themselves with, 509 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,059 My ancestry is the Jacobites of Scotland. 510 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,486 The war of the English and the Scottish 511 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:47,449 where the English raped loads of women, killed clans completely off. 512 00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:50,493 It's like a form of genocide. It was then. 513 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,195 And people don 't realise this. 514 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,203 I mean, take Bosnia. How many dead people have you seen? 515 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:57,242 There's millions of dead people in Bosnia. 516 00:29:57,337 --> 00:29:58,668 It's just genocide in the end. 517 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,797 People have got to realise that it still goes on in the world today. 518 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:13,971 (Ruti) There was something difierent about him. 519 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:19,812 He had this artistic energy in him rather than like a fashion designer. 520 00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:25,020 I rang his mother and said, "I want to work for your son." 521 00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:30,526 She gave me the address and I went one morning 522 00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:33,745 and ever since, we were working every day 523 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,163 on the Highland Rape collection, 524 00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:38,579 trying to get the pieces ready. 525 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:40,619 (Mira) There were times 526 00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:44,206 when he hadn't yet started working on the collection and it was due soon 527 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,459 and he would do one drawing after another, 528 00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,802 afier another, after another, after another 529 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:50,720 and there was a collection in one evening. 530 00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:53,260 Very quick, very fluid. 531 00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:56,180 (Ruti) He was also very creative at night. 532 00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:58,850 His adrenaline was much more alive 533 00:30:59,107 --> 00:31:01,473 and we usually used to put music. 534 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:05,986 (Mira) He would listen to the piano and it became very important. 535 00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:09,898 The composer Michael Nyman became part of his team. 536 00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:13,865 I was just enjoying myself to watch him 537 00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:16,288 because he was sitting like an old lady, 538 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,207 his needle and his thimble. 539 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,576 You can feel like he's... 540 00:31:21,922 --> 00:31:24,504 It's kind of a therapeutic work for him. 541 00:31:25,801 --> 00:31:27,462 (Alice) He went into a sort of zone. 542 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:29,584 I always used to say his eyes went black 543 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,129 because he suddenly was focusing on what he was doing 544 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:34,844 and he almost couldn’t hear anybody else. 545 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:38,310 (Andrew) He could draft a jacket, free-hand, 546 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,098 just with a piece of chalk, so he wasn't using measurements. 547 00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:45,150 He could just, from his eye, read someone's body measurements 548 00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:48,065 and then be able to draw that out onto a bit of cloth. 549 00:31:48,782 --> 00:31:50,522 At heart, Lee was a romantic, 550 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,904 and that romantic is because of that physical relationship 551 00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:55,531 to what you produce, 552 00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:58,497 which then comes back to that idea of craft in a way. 553 00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:05,621 (Gary) The family always got invites to the shows. 554 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,630 It was very important that my nan was there. 555 00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:09,959 He really wanted to make my nan proud. 556 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:15,013 (Janet) Aunt Renee and Mum made sure that the models had some sandwiches. 557 00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:17,762 Mum would have probably done her sausage rolls. 558 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:22,179 We were all, as a group of young, really cool, English models, 559 00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:26,726 so excited to see this man that had this reputation. 560 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,812 (Janet) I was just amazed. All these people, photographers... 561 00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:35,655 And I thought, "My God, they're all here to see Lee. 562 00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:37,652 "I hope they’re not disappointed. " 563 00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:39,662 Because I thought, 564 00:32:39,833 --> 00:32:41,698 "This is just Lee from Stratford." 565 00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:44,160 (Fast-paced instrumental music) 566 00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:57,673 The darkness, 567 00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,806 the going to the depths and the recesses of one's mind 568 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:05,472 to come up with such things like Highland Rape. 569 00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:09,818 "I'm going to send down loads of girls who look like they've just been raped. " 570 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,903 And then we were all looking like we'd come out of a hedge backwards 571 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:17,109 and I was going, "Is this the hair and make-up?" 572 00:33:21,291 --> 00:33:23,623 (Andrew) They’re not easy garments to look at. 573 00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:26,835 They do look like something from a crime scene. 574 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:39,465 (Kidd) I honestly just thought that he really just didn't like women, 575 00:33:39,768 --> 00:33:42,350 he didn’t like the models, he didn't like anything, 576 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:44,386 he was just trying to torture us all. 577 00:33:44,648 --> 00:33:46,434 But his vision, 578 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:48,352 when you actually came down, 579 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:49,978 and the silhouette 580 00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:53,278 and the way he made you look was so extraordinary. 581 00:33:54,491 --> 00:33:57,574 I don 't think I really understood, because I was 15 at the time, 582 00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:01,032 exactly what was going on or the connotations of it. 583 00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:05,331 It wasn't until probably the next day that I read the newspapers. 584 00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,285 And, you know, there was quite a backlash 585 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,790 of the statement of the show. 586 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:16,969 But he made every single headline and that's what he wanted to do. 587 00:34:17,514 --> 00:34:19,345 And he sure got it. 588 00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:21,764 (Reporter) Judith Church, MP for Dagenham, 589 00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:24,096 thought there was no excuse for such a show. 590 00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:27,144 (Church) The very title of the show, Highland Rape, 591 00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:30,186 has been done to shock people. It's been done to attract publicity. 592 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,817 It has succeeded and that, in a way, is sad, 593 00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:34,853 because I think women want to look at fashion, 594 00:34:34,948 --> 00:34:36,279 but they don ’t want to see it 595 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,899 in some way as portraying them as a victim. 596 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,612 (McQueen) I'm not a misogynist. The idea was saying to the public, 597 00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,332 "A man takes from a woman. The woman's not giving it." 598 00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:48,708 That's what rape is. 599 00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:51,670 My oldest sister was badly beaten up by her husband. 600 00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:55,170 When you're eight years old and you see your sister strangled by her husband, 601 00:34:55,468 --> 00:34:57,004 who's now dead, thank God, 602 00:35:01,683 --> 00:35:04,425 (Andrew) You might not like the honesty he was presenting you with, 603 00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:07,223 you might find it distasteful, shocking or aggressive 604 00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:11,227 or misogynistic, but for him it was his truth. 605 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,229 Those garments all tell you about Lee 606 00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,190 and they’re almost like confessional. 607 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:19,565 They do relate to things that happened in his childhood. 608 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:24,577 We were just in our flat. It was literally in the middle of the evening. 609 00:35:24,664 --> 00:35:26,996 And he said, "Oh, by the way, I was abused 610 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,582 "when I was a child by my brother-in-Iaw. " 611 00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:33,332 It just came out and he started crying 612 00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:35,751 and then we started talking 613 00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:38,758 and then, almost as soon as he started telling me all that, 614 00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:41,503 he said, "Anyway, I don 't want to talk about that any more. " 615 00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:44,430 (Gary) The stufi that he saw, I mean, the violence against my mum, 616 00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:48,852 the abuse he suffered by my dad and the abuse my mum suffered by Dad... 617 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,480 They had that affinity together. They shared that, Lee and my mum. 618 00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:56,310 They were both affected by the same person. 619 00:35:57,739 --> 00:36:01,152 And they had that connection through that, you know. 620 00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:04,531 And Lee saw my mum very much like a mother figure 621 00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:08,868 and somebody that he wanted to protect, 622 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,328 but my mum wanted to protect him as well. 623 00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:16,789 I had quite a big burden on my shoulders. 624 00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:18,965 Erm... 625 00:36:20,637 --> 00:36:23,549 But I'd always felt close to Lee 626 00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:25,134 and... 627 00:36:27,227 --> 00:36:32,972 In the early years, Lee had seen things like domestic violence and, 628 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,320 at the time, it must have also had an effect on his mind. 629 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,360 (Gary) And that stuff he had to get out, 630 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:45,483 I think it was a way of exorcising his demons, 631 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:50,122 a way of protecting women and himself by creating these strong women 632 00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,203 who looked like they had armour on. 633 00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,459 It was armour for his heart as well, you know, so... 634 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:58,705 (Andrew) The relationship between me and Lee, 635 00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,714 I joke that it was four seasons long, 636 00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:04,385 purely because I think those collections and those shows became markers 637 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:10,092 in terms of how our work life was also tied up with our relationship. 638 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,805 And, looking back on it now, 639 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,845 I can see the reasons why it would be... 640 00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:15,813 How could a relationship work 641 00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:19,647 with all the things that were going on in his life, 642 00:37:19,863 --> 00:37:21,854 all the things in his past? 643 00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:25,778 I can ’t think of any relationship that would be able to deal with that. 644 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:29,993 (Short bursts of fast instrumental music) 645 00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:37,164 (Tape plays) 646 00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,041 (McQueen speaking) 647 00:37:51,728 --> 00:37:55,687 When you went to St Martins, in the first year you'd go to Paris 648 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:59,307 and the idea is that you're meant to go to exhibitions. 649 00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,525 But we would just spend all of our time 650 00:38:01,738 --> 00:38:04,195 wangling our way into the various shows. 651 00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,022 So we went to this show and it was... 652 00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:09,734 It was all very floral and there was chiffon and Lee was going, 653 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:12,195 ”Well, that's rubbish. That's rubbish. Oh, my God. 654 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:14,823 "This is just the worst show ever. Bloody hell. 655 00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:16,954 "Givenchy, that's a load of crap! 656 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,785 "That's for, like, old ladies. 657 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:22,839 "I never, ever want to work somewhere like that." 658 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,047 (Speaking in French) 659 00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:37,266 It was a really exciting time to be covering the industry 660 00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,438 because it was changing, it was evolving. 661 00:38:39,651 --> 00:38:42,859 People like Bernard Arnault were buying up small family brands 662 00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:45,479 and then turning them into global corporations. 663 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,773 And first he brought in John Galliano 664 00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:50,321 and, after two years, moved John over to Dior 665 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:52,865 and then needed another new, young, hot flavour 666 00:38:53,122 --> 00:38:54,612 for Givenchy. 667 00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:56,743 (Presenter) And so he said... Why did he want you? 668 00:38:56,918 --> 00:39:00,035 He said when I was hired that l was his horse. 669 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:03,129 I don't know if that's in looks or what, but... 670 00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:04,293 (Presenter laughs) 671 00:39:04,509 --> 00:39:06,716 But he said I was his horse he betted on. 672 00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:10,428 I was living with Lee when Givenchy called 673 00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:14,099 and he thought that they wanted him to design a handbag. 674 00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:15,933 And I'm like "Wow. Wow!" 675 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:18,394 "Cool man!" You know? 676 00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:21,147 Next thing I know 677 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,021 he comes in and he basically says 678 00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:27,232 they've asked him to be creative director of Givenchy. 679 00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:30,023 And I was like, "You are kidding me!" 680 00:39:30,285 --> 00:39:34,119 He called me at work and then he said, "They've offered me this job. 681 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,446 "lfl move to Paris, will you come with me?" 682 00:39:36,541 --> 00:39:37,951 I was like, "Yeah, of course." 683 00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:42,210 It was sort of exciting and also quite scary as well 684 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:45,247 because it was still that honeymoon period of our relationship. 685 00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:49,426 (Presenter) Why did you go to Givenchy, having already created your own name, 686 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:52,845 having won British Designer of the Year twice in a row? 687 00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:55,305 (McQueen) For one reason, the money was good. 688 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,010 But what do I do with the money from Givenchy? 689 00:39:58,313 --> 00:40:01,521 I put it straight back into McQueen. It helps me employ people for McQueen 690 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,098 to build my own company up. 691 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:07,193 (Mira) Very talented people that he brought with him to Givenchy. 692 00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:08,357 What a team! 693 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,523 (Sebastian) He told me, "I will need a team to work with me 694 00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:13,991 "so I was thinking of you. 695 00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:17,196 "So, think about it and let me know." 696 00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:19,989 There's nothing to think about. Of course, I'll take the job. 697 00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:24,703 We took an aeroplane from City Airport. 698 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:29,416 We were the weirdest people in the plane. It was all businessmen. 699 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,218 And we were there with our bleached jeans, 700 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,467 with a lot of attitude. 701 00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:37,299 (McQueen) Where did you find this? In Japan. 702 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,925 (lndistinct conversation) 703 00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:41,015 (McQueen) Really? (Man) Yeah. 704 00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:43,472 (McQueen mumbling in French) 705 00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:46,523 -(Man) Oh, oh! -(McQueen speaks French) 706 00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:48,689 (Whooping) 707 00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,695 (Murray) There was huge excitement. Cos imagine being that age 708 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:54,441 and you're being given that amount of, one, responsibility 709 00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:56,200 and also that amount of money. 710 00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:58,785 (McQueen) Statue! 711 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,698 (Murray) There’s Sebastian Pons. 712 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,541 (McQueen) Hello, Sebastian! 713 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:05,751 -Sweaty armpits. -Come on! 714 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:07,249 God, you've got wet patches. 715 00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,957 I think that in the McQueen studio I was a little bit like the bouffant 716 00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:12,542 because I was the funny one there. 717 00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:14,923 They were taking the piss out of my accent. 718 00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:17,721 A Spanish boufiant in a British court. 719 00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:20,467 (Murray) Simon Costin. 720 00:41:20,687 --> 00:41:22,678 (McQueen) God, you're looking fairly gross today. 721 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:27,353 I saw myself as the person that put things into context. 722 00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:29,893 The set was always there to reflect 723 00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:33,313 the sort of untold story of the collection. 724 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,657 There was Katy, of course, Katy England. 725 00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,444 (McQueen) Katy's the most important part of McQueen. 726 00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:41,863 Camera up, please. 727 00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:44,199 (McQueen) She's the Tweed/edee to my Tweed/edum. 728 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,325 She fuels my imagination. 729 00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:49,287 I help research the collection. 730 00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:53,667 I, erm, bring things to his attention 731 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,086 that I think might be important in fashion. 732 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,256 Basically, I’m always there at the right-hand side. 733 00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:02,850 Shaun Leane was very much involved in the business, making jewellery. 734 00:42:03,312 --> 00:42:04,427 What do you think, eh? 735 00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:06,224 Fancy a dance? 736 00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:09,064 (Leane) For me to do work like this is very good for me. 737 00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:11,354 It allows me to go from one extreme to the other. 738 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,771 And now I'm going into different areas. I'm working with bodyjewellery 739 00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:18,108 and it's really going into a form of sculpture. 740 00:42:19,078 --> 00:42:20,409 (Murray) Sarah Burton. 741 00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:22,157 Sarah was the intern. 742 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,946 (Sebastian) He looked at us 743 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:26,165 like the sort of pillars 744 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,785 that would make him feel secure. 745 00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,496 (Murray) We had this really nice flat. 746 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,717 I loved the area. I mean... Place des Vosges. I mean, hello? 747 00:42:42,477 --> 00:42:44,308 (McQueen) Oh, God, that's pretty scary. 748 00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:47,394 (Simon) Thinking about it now, it was tiny. 749 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,147 When I would come over to start working on the set, 750 00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:51,766 I'd be on the sofa. 751 00:42:52,487 --> 00:42:55,069 (lndistinct background chatter) 752 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,188 (McQueen) Ooh, ooh! 753 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,653 (McQueen) Sebastian! 754 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:01,659 (Squeals) Oh, language! 755 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:03,324 (McQueen laughs) 756 00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:06,160 I always ended up sleeping in Lee's room 757 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:09,618 because Lee was always collapsing on the sofa. 758 00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:10,956 (Sebastian) Lee! 759 00:43:12,632 --> 00:43:15,123 -You changed the pillows. -(McQueen) Yeah, fucking right. 760 00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:17,546 (McQueen laughs) 761 00:43:18,221 --> 00:43:20,712 We had a driver so we got driven everywhere. 762 00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,839 (McQueen) Oh, wait a minute, he's gone blurry. 763 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,469 That's better. 764 00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,100 Say hello to the people of England. 765 00:43:26,187 --> 00:43:28,143 (All laugh) 766 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:29,933 (Murray) Such fun. 767 00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,436 (McQueen) We can do some funny tricks. 768 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:36,519 Hello, I'm on speed, baby. 769 00:43:37,073 --> 00:43:39,234 (All laugh) 770 00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:42,446 (Sebastian) When we arrived at Givenchy, 771 00:43:42,787 --> 00:43:44,527 everybody was kind of like 772 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:47,489 bending their head to him 773 00:43:47,917 --> 00:43:49,908 and calling him Monsieur McQueen, 774 00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:53,957 which was like, "They're calling you Monsieur McQueen? Here?" 775 00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,504 (McQueen) Cath! Woo-ooh! 776 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:01,127 (McQueen laughs) 777 00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:03,463 (Sebastian) When we arrived I think they were in shock. 778 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,090 The way we dress, the way we work 779 00:44:06,269 --> 00:44:08,601 and the jokes we made. 780 00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,520 (Simon) Obviously it was very grand, with chandeliers, 781 00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:14,565 so it was very different from the working environment in London 782 00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:18,061 which was a very, very small room, chaotic, with stuff everywhere. 783 00:44:18,489 --> 00:44:20,275 (McQueen) Here I have my own office. 784 00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:22,940 I pick up the phone and I get what I want. 785 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,822 (Laughs) Cos I want it, I want it, I want it! 786 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:27,404 So I ask for it. 787 00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:31,165 (Murray) We was just like a bunch of young kids running about in Givenchy. 788 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,372 (Presenter) Were they surprised you were chosen? 789 00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:38,923 Well, I think that it put most people in a coma when I got chosen! 790 00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,051 (Sebastian) All of a sudden, we're there, 791 00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:46,055 sitting in Hubert de Givenchy's house, 792 00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:49,927 looking out the window and you see the Balenciaga sign 793 00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:52,053 and you knew that Yves Saint Laurent was there 794 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:54,563 and knowing that John Galliano was there 795 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:57,316 at Avenue Montaigne, just a few yards from there. 796 00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,269 And there we are with Alexander McQueen, 797 00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:02,647 being the new talk of the town. 798 00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:05,153 And I felt special. 799 00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,360 (Murray) He was trying to find his feet there. 800 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:10,450 He obviously had to make a huge impression 801 00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:12,490 because it was his first collection. 802 00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:15,117 (Sebastian) I remember telling Lee, 803 00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:17,499 "Everybody's looking at us and we have nothing. " 804 00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:19,080 And he always would answer, 805 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,006 "Don’t worry, Sebastian, we 'II get it done. " 806 00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:22,379 (Tape plays) 807 00:45:23,012 --> 00:45:24,627 (McQueen speaking) 808 00:45:37,151 --> 00:45:40,985 (McQueen) This is Paris and Paris chic. This is Givenchy, this is not McQueen. 809 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,898 This is where elegant suits are made and fantastic fabrics are used. 810 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,866 I mean, it's going to take my own label, McQueen, 811 00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:50,619 another 40 years to get the reputation this one has. 812 00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:54,449 (Sebastian) I remember once we saw this beautiful work. 813 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:58,669 Lee asked Catherine DeLondres, who was in charge of the atelier, 814 00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:01,206 "Who's done this fabulous work?" 815 00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:03,290 "She's not allowed to come in." 816 00:46:03,511 --> 00:46:05,627 He's like, "What do you mean, she's not allowed in? 817 00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:06,798 "Please let her in." 818 00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:11,679 I remember from that day on Lee wanted to see the person 819 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:14,681 who has worked directly with the garment. 820 00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:17,934 And I think they loved that. 821 00:46:18,401 --> 00:46:20,232 (McQueen) This is the Bet Lynch dress. 822 00:46:21,821 --> 00:46:24,938 And we also treated it, bonding plastic over the top 823 00:46:25,866 --> 00:46:29,074 for raincoats so you get the whole ensemble. 824 00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:30,993 None of us spoke French 825 00:46:31,122 --> 00:46:34,205 and the French atelier didn't speak English. 826 00:46:34,542 --> 00:46:37,750 Lee would actually draw in the air how it would have to be. 827 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:41,709 -(Catherine in French) -(McQueen) Yeah. Yeah, it's OK. 828 00:46:41,924 --> 00:46:43,960 (Catherine and McQueen speak French) 829 00:46:44,385 --> 00:46:47,343 (McQueen) Oh, it's OK. I thought it was just pantalon. 830 00:46:49,098 --> 00:46:50,759 (Catherine speaking French) 831 00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:08,773 (Catherine laughs) 832 00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:13,657 They're quite precise and like... They, like, take the threads out and... 833 00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:16,080 | just get the scissors and go, "Whack it ofi!" 834 00:47:16,584 --> 00:47:18,415 And they go... (Muted scream) Like that. 835 00:47:19,962 --> 00:47:21,702 And I go, "It's OK, it's only clothes." 836 00:47:22,006 --> 00:47:24,418 (Mira) I I! never forget the expression on her face. 837 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,625 But in the end she saw exactly what he was doing. 838 00:47:27,762 --> 00:47:28,797 She was in awe. 839 00:47:28,971 --> 00:47:33,010 A very mutual, you know, respect grew between the two of them. 840 00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:36,388 (McQueen) Haute couture is about the atelier. I come from Savile Row. 841 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,643 So I have great respect for the tailors. 842 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:41,143 They deserve just as much praise as I do. 843 00:47:42,485 --> 00:47:45,272 (Sebastian) Lee, one day he said, "Where can we go and eat? 844 00:47:45,488 --> 00:47:47,103 "Where do the workers eat?" 845 00:47:47,323 --> 00:47:49,530 And then Catherine said, "There is a canteen 846 00:47:49,825 --> 00:47:51,690 "in the basement for the workers. " 847 00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:53,692 And Lee was like, "So let’s go there. " 848 00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:57,580 When we went down there, the people, they're flipping out. 849 00:47:57,792 --> 00:47:59,908 "Alexander is eating with us!" 850 00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:02,292 They couldn’t believe it. 851 00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:06,664 These fashion houses, they treat the designer like he's a king. 852 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,045 And they treated Lee like a king, 853 00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:11,214 but Lee didn't want to behave like a king, 854 00:48:11,305 --> 00:48:13,671 Lee wanted to behave like a regular person. 855 00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,351 (McQueen) OK. 856 00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:21,145 The ideas for the show, 857 00:48:21,482 --> 00:48:24,098 they grew out of the collection as the collection developed. 858 00:48:24,652 --> 00:48:27,314 He would pull threads and stories out of that. 859 00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:31,155 And there was always mood boards and things pinned all over the walls. 860 00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:34,032 Everyone fed in. It was a very group practice. 861 00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:36,948 But Lee was the spider in the centre of the web, as it were, 862 00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:39,447 pulling everything together and distilling 863 00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:41,498 what it was that he had in his head. 864 00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,289 I remember the fraughtness about a week before the show 865 00:48:44,672 --> 00:48:48,039 with things coming down and not right and things having to be changed. 866 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,507 It was really insanely crazy. 867 00:48:50,636 --> 00:48:52,342 The pressure was super intense. 868 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,531 (Sebastian) In 25 days to put a 55-0th collection together 869 00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,316 is not an easy task. 870 00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:22,289 (Simon) The first couture show had the theme of the Golden Fleece, 871 00:49:22,501 --> 00:49:23,741 Jason and the Argonauts. 872 00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:27,002 (Murray) They wanted it to be amazing. 873 00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:31,715 My first feeling from Alex's description was, 874 00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:35,006 they had to be warriors 875 00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:37,383 mixed with goddesses. 876 00:49:37,683 --> 00:49:40,345 I said, "We do horns?" He said, "Yeah, but do big. " 877 00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:43,477 I said, "But how big?" He said, "You know Genghis Khan? 878 00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:45,137 "He's the junior size. 879 00:49:45,357 --> 00:49:46,392 "Give me the senior." 880 00:49:46,692 --> 00:49:49,434 It's the 19th of January 1997 881 00:49:49,778 --> 00:49:53,270 and, as they say in the trade, we're about to witness a fashion moment. 882 00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,363 At the tender age of 27, 883 00:49:55,451 --> 00:49:57,988 British Designer of the Year Alexander McQueen 884 00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:01,321 is about to show his first haute couture collection. 885 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:03,280 (Dramatic orchestral music) 886 00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,886 (Nicolas) Every model had to have a character, 887 00:50:18,098 --> 00:50:20,430 an identify, a signature. 888 00:50:20,976 --> 00:50:23,934 Every single girl could have been a show on her own. 889 00:50:25,314 --> 00:50:28,351 (Sebastian) Where did the inspiration come from? He told me, "From the logo. " 890 00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:33,319 The logo is the Gs, which looks like a Greek motif, 891 00:50:33,948 --> 00:50:36,485 and the Givenchy label is white and gold. 892 00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:41,444 (Kidd) Always with Lee’s collections, there were some pieces where you'd go, 893 00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:44,242 "God, that’s rather risqué. " 894 00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:48,246 I think a lot of the press focused on the ones 895 00:50:48,462 --> 00:50:52,421 that were a little bit more crazy or a little bit, you know, unwearable. 896 00:50:53,551 --> 00:50:55,712 French designers were complaining and saying, 897 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:59,633 "Oh, they're not even French and they're taking over Givenchy. 898 00:50:59,807 --> 00:51:01,547 "Look what he’s doing to Givenchy. " 899 00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:03,556 I think it was them saying, 900 00:51:04,144 --> 00:51:05,725 ”I'm still gonna be who I am, 901 00:51:05,813 --> 00:51:07,849 "regardless that you put me in this posh space. 902 00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:09,680 ”I'm still who I am. " 903 00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:12,683 I liked that, that they stayed true to who they were. 904 00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:16,941 They actually brought England into Paris in their own unique way. 905 00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:18,780 (Applause) 906 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:22,318 (Nicolas) People were talking, fashion editors. 907 00:51:22,538 --> 00:51:24,870 "He has a big mouth. He has a big head. 908 00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:26,993 "Oh, the British! What does he think?" 909 00:51:27,376 --> 00:51:31,790 And then I understood that basically the world was against him. 910 00:51:32,381 --> 00:51:33,996 (Presenter) And you do your first show. 911 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,254 (Presenter) It's not a huge success. (McQueen) No, that’s true. 912 00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:39,593 (Presenter laughs) -Well done. 913 00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:43,548 They were wishing to see him crash and be destroyed. 914 00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:45,807 They have claws and knives 915 00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:47,601 and they're throwing everything into your back, 916 00:51:47,688 --> 00:51:49,428 which is fine cos I'm a good fighter! 917 00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:50,683 (Both laugh) 918 00:51:51,275 --> 00:51:53,186 I remember us aftenrvards. 919 00:51:53,402 --> 00:51:54,687 You know, Lee was... 920 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,066 Oh, hellish, yeah. 921 00:51:58,324 --> 00:52:01,532 That was a really horrid night. It was a difficult night after that. 922 00:52:02,828 --> 00:52:05,285 A few punches and arguments. 923 00:52:11,629 --> 00:52:13,620 (Blow) I think he’s done a lot with the house, 924 00:52:13,756 --> 00:52:15,747 because Givenchy have had a lot of press. 925 00:52:15,924 --> 00:52:19,792 It’s a more difficult thing to deal with cos McQueen is McQueen in London. 926 00:52:20,054 --> 00:52:23,888 Givenchy is taking over from another man in Paris. 927 00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:27,221 As Alexander says, "It's like taking a dinosaur out of the sea. " 928 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,477 And I think in one season he's done that. 929 00:52:30,856 --> 00:52:34,690 So I think in a year he will have done 20 times that. 930 00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:37,559 (Detmar) Givenchy changed everything. 931 00:52:37,946 --> 00:52:39,402 The fun times were over. 932 00:52:39,865 --> 00:52:41,571 I had an accountant who spoke French. 933 00:52:41,784 --> 00:52:43,649 They were going to Paris to sign the deal. 934 00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:46,906 And I said, "Please, make sure lssie gets something out of it." 935 00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:48,532 And then I kind of did ask McQueen 936 00:52:48,707 --> 00:52:50,743 and he said, "lssie and I are not about money. " 937 00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,581 When the money did come and Alexander cut her out... 938 00:52:55,339 --> 00:52:56,499 That was very tough. 939 00:52:57,007 --> 00:52:59,794 Their friendship changed. She was so hurt at this rejection. 940 00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:03,298 She’d have created a buzz. She'd have had a salon at Givenchy. 941 00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:06,346 She'd have made it the most happening place in Paris. 942 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:14,852 (Murray) I do remember going to Hilles straight afier the takeover at Givenchy. 943 00:53:16,652 --> 00:53:21,191 You cannot imagine the tension between the two of them in this room. 944 00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,782 These designers think that you made me. 945 00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:28,319 -And it's never been about that. -No, they don't. 946 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,696 -I know that that's... -But they do! 947 00:53:30,791 --> 00:53:34,659 You see it all the time in the press! They say, "Oh, Isabella Blow, 948 00:53:34,837 --> 00:53:37,579 "responsible for Philip Treacy and Alexander McQueen." 949 00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:39,997 -(Blow) No, they say... -They do just say that! 950 00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:43,418 (McQueen) But it's never been about that for me and you. 951 00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:45,010 Whether I was part of it? 952 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:46,886 Does that annoy you that they put a strap on it? 953 00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:49,556 "As discovered by Isabella Blow." Does it piss you ofi? 954 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,685 No, not at all, because lssie has helped me a lot in that way, 955 00:53:52,855 --> 00:53:54,686 but not in the way that she's like... 956 00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:57,140 She does it because she loves my clothes, 957 00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:58,519 not because she loves me. 958 00:53:58,694 --> 00:54:01,060 Exactly. That's the point. 959 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,020 Because I can't stand her guts! 960 00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:06,148 I'm joking. 961 00:54:06,702 --> 00:54:10,365 (Murray) I do remember sitting there, thinking to myself, 962 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:14,248 "Please, lay off lssie because she's done nothing but help you, 963 00:54:14,543 --> 00:54:17,285 "but you seem to be giving her a really difficult time." 964 00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:19,161 (Detmar) lssie kingmaker. 965 00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:22,256 This is the man she championed and then he resented that 966 00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:23,715 and wanted to be his own man 967 00:54:24,011 --> 00:54:26,878 so there was no position for Isabella Blow at Givenchy. 968 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:28,966 Punishment. 969 00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:32,387 And I remember McQueen turned to me and said, 970 00:54:32,478 --> 00:54:34,309 "I'm the tycoon now, Detmar. " 971 00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:36,599 And it wasn't meant affectionately. 972 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:39,682 We had a policy. Don 't show hurt, don 't show weakness. 973 00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:42,522 Keep your head up, keep proud, keep fighting. 974 00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:44,902 Something will turn up. It's got to. 975 00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:48,152 His star ascended and hers didn't as much 976 00:54:48,368 --> 00:54:50,859 and, you know, he slightly abandoned her. 977 00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:54,330 (Detmar) Then lssie suddenly got this job at The Sunday Times 978 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,537 and McQueen said, "You've been resurrected, lssie. " 979 00:54:57,711 --> 00:54:59,997 And I thought, "No thanks to you, mate." 980 00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:06,251 (McQueen) I saw myself within the press and in the public eye as the gazelle. 981 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,631 And the gazelle always got eaten. 982 00:55:09,473 --> 00:55:12,840 And that's how I see human life. We can all be discarded quite easily. 983 00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:16,848 The fragility of a designer’s time in the press. 984 00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:18,895 You're there, you're gone. 985 00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:20,267 (Laughs) 986 00:55:20,734 --> 00:55:21,940 It's a jungle out there. 987 00:55:22,945 --> 00:55:25,186 (Sebastian) I went to his London studio 988 00:55:25,447 --> 00:55:27,654 and he was talking about a haute couture show. 989 00:55:28,033 --> 00:55:31,025 "I tried to please them and then I fucked it up. 990 00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:32,739 "I'm gonna do my own thing. 991 00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:35,203 "It's gonna be very McQueen, the next one. 992 00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:39,575 "Fuck you! Fuck you, all of you. I'm gonna show you." 993 00:55:39,878 --> 00:55:43,291 (Simon) We went from this sort of... The hallowed halls of Givenchy 994 00:55:43,841 --> 00:55:46,332 into the sort of rough, gritty Borough Market, 995 00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:48,922 people just sweeping all the rotting fruit and veg up. 996 00:55:49,096 --> 00:55:51,587 (McQueen) It’s nice to show them the rough part of London, 997 00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:54,598 make them a bit scared, look over their shoulder once in a while. 998 00:55:54,768 --> 00:55:56,304 (Nicolas) It's nothing to do with couture. 999 00:55:56,436 --> 00:55:57,801 Now you've got your own studio. 1000 00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:01,439 We're in another chapter, in another world, in another McQueen. 1001 00:56:01,650 --> 00:56:04,312 All camera crews go round the front gate. 1002 00:56:04,444 --> 00:56:06,105 (Simon) The London shows were always... 1003 00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:08,312 The audience, the expectation, was so great. 1004 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:12,324 The shows in Paris were far more formal and reserved. 1005 00:56:12,536 --> 00:56:14,618 People would scream their heads off in London. 1006 00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:22,459 (Kidd) It was crazy, people literally fighting to see the catwalk. 1007 00:56:23,714 --> 00:56:25,830 (Murray) Lee just running from model to model 1008 00:56:26,008 --> 00:56:27,919 and screaming and shouting at everyone. 1009 00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,835 (McQueen) Simon, we want to start the show! 1010 00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,547 (Shaw) And just always moving, always dressing, always stressing. 1011 00:56:35,017 --> 00:56:37,679 Stressing and dressing, actually, together. 1012 00:56:38,145 --> 00:56:40,010 (Woman) Are we all standing by, ready to go? 1013 00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:41,307 (McQueen) OK. 1014 00:56:41,481 --> 00:56:43,847 Where's Russell? Is he out there? Is he getting ready? 1015 00:56:44,151 --> 00:56:45,311 (Woman) Yeah. 1016 00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,609 (Shaw) One of the models was late. 1017 00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:50,403 He said, ”Fuck her" and he started the show. 1018 00:56:50,699 --> 00:56:53,361 (Kidd) He’d just go, "Right, Jodes, just go for it. " 1019 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:54,820 He used to psyche me up. 1020 00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:57,285 I used to literally get out onto the catwalk and go... 1021 00:56:57,497 --> 00:56:58,657 (Roars) 1022 00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:07,670 (Simon) It was really the first time 1023 00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:11,675 the collection kind of seeped out into everything, 1024 00:57:11,887 --> 00:57:15,971 from the energy that was in that space to the effect it had on people. 1025 00:57:17,225 --> 00:57:20,683 A sort of angst, an anger and fear, 1026 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,974 that was woven through that show. 1027 00:57:24,149 --> 00:57:25,639 (Sebastian) We were mind-blown 1028 00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:28,939 because they didn't look like models. 1029 00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,317 They look like animals with this big hair 1030 00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:34,439 and this animal make-up. 1031 00:57:34,826 --> 00:57:35,861 It was like... 1032 00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:38,068 It was intense. 1033 00:57:40,624 --> 00:57:42,489 (Simon) Some students that weren't allowed in 1034 00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:46,247 stormed the barricades and kicked over all these fire pots. 1035 00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:48,996 And then the fire started. 1036 00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:51,464 (Simon) Cos there were a pile of crashed cars 1037 00:57:51,843 --> 00:57:55,051 and I don't think we'd emptied the cars of petrol. 1038 00:57:55,347 --> 00:57:57,053 (Kidd) The car's actually on fire. 1039 00:57:57,683 --> 00:58:00,641 There's a fricking car on fire on the catwalk. 1040 00:58:00,936 --> 00:58:03,143 (Simon) And everyone thought it was part of the show. 1041 00:58:03,522 --> 00:58:06,889 "Don't you...dare go out there with fire extinguishers. 1042 00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:09,854 "Just keep sending them out. Keep sending them out. " 1043 00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:15,155 (Shaw) Had that not been rectified, that whole tent 1044 00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:19,823 and all the top fashion editors and models would have been history. 1045 00:58:21,123 --> 00:58:27,084 (Kidd) That’s just back to typical, wonderful, mad, brilliant Lee. 1046 00:58:28,422 --> 00:58:30,162 (Crowd applauding) 1047 00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:35,425 (Slow dramatic orchestral music) 1048 00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:41,381 (Tape plays) 1049 00:58:43,562 --> 00:58:45,018 (McQueen speaking) 1050 00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:55,980 (Reporter) Did you move out of London and settle in Paris? 1051 00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:59,567 I stay in both. I'm here for six months and in London six months. All over. 1052 00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:03,703 My dog is in London and I'm missing him. I'm missing my dog. 1053 00:59:03,874 --> 00:59:06,035 (Reporter laughs) 1054 00:59:06,168 --> 00:59:09,035 (Melancholic music) 1055 00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:15,336 (Mira) Travelling between the two cities to do Givenchy and McQueen, 1056 00:59:15,469 --> 00:59:17,755 of course it would take its toll. 1057 00:59:18,972 --> 00:59:20,257 But he did it. 1058 00:59:20,515 --> 00:59:22,847 And he managed to make the shows amazing. 1059 00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:29,680 (Simon) By that time there was so much more pressure 1060 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,937 because he was also doing his own line and then having to do 1061 00:59:33,153 --> 00:59:34,814 ready-to-wear and couture. 1062 00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,608 You could see the beginning of the pressure that Lee was under. 1063 00:59:37,866 --> 00:59:41,279 (Sebastian) The favourite company of LVMH was Dior. 1064 00:59:41,661 --> 00:59:45,995 Lee felt they were really comparing him with Galliano. 1065 00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:48,953 And then he sort of found out 1066 00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:52,995 that John had four times more budget than him 1067 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:55,922 to create his haute couture collection. 1068 00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:59,755 The house we loved was the McQueen house. 1069 01:00:00,222 --> 01:00:02,929 Givenchy was like a stepbrother. 1070 01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:07,559 We knew that our time there had an expiry date. 1071 01:00:09,231 --> 01:00:14,100 When we arrived at Paris Lee's clothes tended to be very rigid 1072 01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:16,355 and I think in Paris 1073 01:00:16,530 --> 01:00:19,272 he got to discover the soft side of things. 1074 01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:23,988 We took that and we brought it to London. 1075 01:00:26,123 --> 01:00:29,536 For No. 13, I remember him very happy. 1076 01:00:29,668 --> 01:00:34,162 Lee had it very clear in his head what he wanted to do. 1077 01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:36,879 We all Iefi the meeting thinking, 1078 01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:38,964 "Oh, my God, he has it very clear this season. " 1079 01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:41,252 "He knows what colours, he knows the shape... " 1080 01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:44,671 He himself was feeling at peace. 1081 01:00:47,352 --> 01:00:51,220 The first show I ever worked on with Lee, he liked the idea of robots. 1082 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,396 (Sebastian) Lee kept going on about it, 1083 01:00:53,608 --> 01:00:55,519 "Oh, I 'm gonna have this robot, this model. " 1084 01:00:55,861 --> 01:00:59,979 And we were like "Oh, no! The robots again. Oh, my God." 1085 01:01:02,367 --> 01:01:03,982 We were just hoping he was gonna forget the idea. 1086 01:01:04,286 --> 01:01:07,870 But then, the night before the show, the robot did turn up 1087 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,781 and we didn’t have a dress to go with the robot. 1088 01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:12,415 I went back to the studio. 1089 01:01:12,544 --> 01:01:16,036 I was like, "Guys, we need to make a dress for the finale." 1090 01:01:16,339 --> 01:01:19,831 We went under the table and pulled all these jewels out 1091 01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:22,550 and he was like, "Hey, there 's the dress. " 1092 01:01:23,054 --> 01:01:26,638 (Slow instrumental music) 1093 01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:32,177 (Mira) They told him it was impossible 1094 01:01:32,272 --> 01:01:34,433 and he said, "No, it’s not. You can do it. " 1095 01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:38,316 That's what Lee did for people, he made them do the impossible. 1096 01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:42,525 (Joseph) We got some technician down to operate the robots and Lee was, 1097 01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:44,860 "Oh, yeah, let's make the robots do more of this." 1098 01:01:45,035 --> 01:01:47,196 He's directing these robots like they're actors 1099 01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:51,697 and, consequently, you end up with this incredible choreography, 1100 01:01:51,917 --> 01:01:53,248 her spinning. 1101 01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:57,745 (McQueen) You had Shalom Harlow there and these two robots going round. 1102 01:01:58,006 --> 01:02:01,123 And the thing is, the robots looked like they had a mind of their own. 1103 01:02:03,637 --> 01:02:06,879 (Pace of music speeds up) 1104 01:02:20,654 --> 01:02:24,522 (McQueen) I think that's the first time that I was blown away by my own show. 1105 01:02:25,367 --> 01:02:28,700 That man and machine thing at the end was... I 'm still in shock, really. 1106 01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:30,903 It's the first time I've cried at my show, so... 1107 01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:32,700 Yeah. 1108 01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:05,191 (Janet) Lee was living his dream. 1109 01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:08,524 He would never have given the work up, as hard as it was, 1110 01:03:08,702 --> 01:03:11,159 because you get that one chance in life. 1111 01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:17,078 (Mira) The first time I knew that Lee was actually getting very famous 1112 01:03:17,252 --> 01:03:19,709 was when some stranger came up to us 1113 01:03:19,879 --> 01:03:21,915 in the supermarket and asked for his autograph. 1114 01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:25,628 And I remember him saying to me, "Oh, my God, that's so scary." 1115 01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:29,169 And I realised then that something was happening. 1116 01:03:29,347 --> 01:03:32,510 He was breaking outside of fashion and becoming famous. 1117 01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:36,635 (Alice) That whole celebrity thing, people chasing afier him. 1118 01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,348 You got the feeling he was saying, 1119 01:03:38,481 --> 01:03:41,097 "This is not the important thing. This fame is nonsense. 1120 01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:43,816 "The important thing is what I do." 1121 01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:47,024 (Murray) I sometimes wish he'd had a normal life 1122 01:03:47,115 --> 01:03:50,232 and that he could just be a normal person 1123 01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:54,657 in terms of not having that pressure of everything at such a young age. 1124 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,124 (Mira) I knew Lee when he had nothing but a rubbish bin full of clothes, 1125 01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:03,253 so I saw very quickly him become a millionaire and more. 1126 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:07,507 And the more money he had, he seemed to be more unhappy. 1127 01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:10,384 (Detmar) With the money came drugs. 1128 01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:12,379 And that was the sad thing. 1129 01:04:12,557 --> 01:04:13,717 (Tape plays) 1130 01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:15,844 (McQueen speaking) 1131 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:38,321 (Mira) When did it become bad? 1132 01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:42,033 Well, it became bad when the pressure became too much for him 1133 01:04:42,212 --> 01:04:45,249 and he obviously started dealing with it 1134 01:04:45,465 --> 01:04:49,208 in ways he shouldn’t have, unfortunately. 1135 01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,759 (Detmar) With cocaine came an aggressiveness, 1136 01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,671 that kind of anger, that sort of paranoia. 1137 01:04:55,475 --> 01:04:57,340 He still made some great clothes, 1138 01:04:57,435 --> 01:04:59,221 but the personality changed. 1139 01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:03,188 (McQueen) All the hard work I do. I do 10 collections a year. 1140 01:05:03,358 --> 01:05:04,518 And it’s hard work. 1141 01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:07,308 I didn ’t go to Givenchy, they come to me. 1142 01:05:07,529 --> 01:05:09,770 I got really upset when people started saying 1143 01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,780 I was gonna get fired when it wasn't true. 1144 01:05:12,992 --> 01:05:14,823 "Sod the lot of you. I do what I like." 1145 01:05:18,164 --> 01:05:19,745 (Murray) There was definitely a change 1146 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,872 and definitely a move in our relationship. 1147 01:05:22,043 --> 01:05:24,204 He had two sides to him. 1148 01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:27,169 He could come in a super cool mood, 1149 01:05:27,507 --> 01:05:30,965 like, full of laughter and that, 1150 01:05:31,052 --> 01:05:32,713 or it could be 1151 01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:34,673 a devil crossing the door. 1152 01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,430 (Murray) He was obviously a very troubled person 1153 01:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,057 and the darkness created 1154 01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:44,346 this amazing creativity and genius artist. 1155 01:05:48,027 --> 01:05:51,144 I had a tattoo saying McQueen on my arm. 1156 01:05:51,823 --> 01:05:53,688 I got it covered up and when he found out, 1157 01:05:53,867 --> 01:05:55,778 that was kind of like the end of everything. 1158 01:05:57,162 --> 01:05:58,493 (Alice) Lee was a romantic. 1159 01:05:58,872 --> 01:06:01,784 I think that he flirted always with the idea of love. 1160 01:06:01,875 --> 01:06:04,116 I’m not sure whether he ever achieved it. 1161 01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:08,370 The big thing in his life that he was in love with was his work. 1162 01:06:08,673 --> 01:06:11,710 And also he didn't trust anyone. 1163 01:06:12,218 --> 01:06:13,549 He thought, 1164 01:06:13,845 --> 01:06:16,712 "If the boyfriend is not here, it's because he's with someone else." 1165 01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:19,222 And that made him suffer a lot. 1166 01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:23,180 (McQueen) People forget fashion ’3 always been about attracting a mate. 1167 01:06:23,313 --> 01:06:25,850 It’s about sexuality, showing a person who you are. 1168 01:06:26,024 --> 01:06:28,481 I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid. 1169 01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:31,685 Even though I'm chubby and I would like to look smaller. 1170 01:06:32,113 --> 01:06:34,069 I mean, let's be realistic here. 1171 01:06:34,532 --> 01:06:35,897 (Tape plays) 1172 01:06:36,409 --> 01:06:37,444 (McQueen speaking) 1173 01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:46,165 (Alice) When he changed his appearance, 1174 01:06:46,377 --> 01:06:48,789 he said, "I changed myself. It was the wrong thing to do. 1175 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:51,041 "I lost touch with who I was." 1176 01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:55,004 (McKitterick) What was it? Ten years from Lee, little Lee McQueen, 1177 01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:56,925 sat in the corner of my studio sewing away, 1178 01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,672 to this svelte figure dressed in Comme des Garcons, 1179 01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:03,474 having to become something he didn't really want to be, 1180 01:07:03,728 --> 01:07:06,686 this sort of persona, this Alexander McQueen. 1181 01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:10,018 (Tape plays) 1182 01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:13,192 (McQueen speaking) 1183 01:07:34,551 --> 01:07:36,132 (Simon) 6:00 in the morning. 1184 01:07:37,011 --> 01:07:39,753 (Woman 1) Don't! Don't do that to her. (Woman 2) Oh, Simon. 1185 01:07:40,098 --> 01:07:42,214 -(Simon chuckles) -(Woman 2) Oh, my God. 1186 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,716 (Simon, chuckling) She's only got a few hours left. 1187 01:07:47,689 --> 01:07:49,270 It wasn't fun any more for me. 1188 01:07:49,649 --> 01:07:51,981 That was the bottom line. It just wasn't fun any more. 1189 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,476 (lndistinct conversation) 1190 01:07:54,612 --> 01:07:56,694 (Woman) I don't like the camera much. 1191 01:07:56,823 --> 01:07:58,654 Turn it off now. 1192 01:07:59,033 --> 01:08:01,490 (Mira) I've never done better work than my time with Lee. 1193 01:08:01,953 --> 01:08:05,696 There was times that were dark with him and times that were very bright. 1194 01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:09,498 And we all chose it. We all chose to be there. 1195 01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:12,501 We all chose to not be there sometimes as well. 1196 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,711 (Sebastian) I collapsed once in Givenchy 1197 01:08:15,008 --> 01:08:18,171 because of the pressure and the workload. 1198 01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:20,926 We had a price to pay and it was our health. 1199 01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,051 I grew in the company, of course. 1200 01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:27,096 I wasn't the little boy that I started there. 1201 01:08:27,478 --> 01:08:30,015 As I grew up, I realised that... 1202 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:35,601 I was feeling like I was a little bit claustrophobic of the situation. 1203 01:08:36,154 --> 01:08:38,861 (McQueen cheerfully) Sebastian! (Man) Oh, Sebastian... 1204 01:08:39,073 --> 01:08:40,688 (McQueen) Come on, you ugly bitch. 1205 01:08:41,993 --> 01:08:43,483 (McQueen laughing) Ooh! 1206 01:08:43,828 --> 01:08:46,820 It was like full devotion to the McQueen house. 1207 01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:49,329 Looking after his dogs, 1208 01:08:49,876 --> 01:08:51,992 endless hours of working 1209 01:08:52,337 --> 01:08:55,204 and weekends either working 1210 01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:57,046 or socialising with Lee. 1211 01:08:57,383 --> 01:09:00,250 We were going also on holiday together. 1212 01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:03,595 I even know how to take his signature, you know. 1213 01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:05,971 I was feeling, like, trapped. 1214 01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:09,134 Even if I loved what I was doing. 1215 01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:13,097 I tried to... To speak with him 1216 01:09:13,441 --> 01:09:15,227 and that didn't end up that well. 1217 01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:17,976 The day I told him I was leaving, he told me, 1218 01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:20,944 "Well, you'd better think about it because there is no way back." 1219 01:09:23,368 --> 01:09:26,360 And I left and it was really sad, you know. 1220 01:09:26,496 --> 01:09:29,238 My leaving, you know, it was... 1221 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:31,163 No one... 1222 01:09:32,543 --> 01:09:35,785 No one, erm... No one came to... 1223 01:09:37,256 --> 01:09:40,168 After all the work I've done and... 1224 01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:42,208 (Sighs) 1225 01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:52,055 Unfortunately, Lee took things quite to heart 1226 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:54,683 without maybe thinking about 1227 01:09:54,857 --> 01:09:56,518 what the other person was going through 1228 01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:58,145 or what they needed 1229 01:09:58,361 --> 01:09:59,976 and he would take it very personally 1230 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:02,903 when someone would leave or he felt betrayed. 1231 01:10:03,074 --> 01:10:04,780 (Tape plays) 1232 01:10:06,661 --> 01:10:08,242 (McQueen speaking) 1233 01:10:28,683 --> 01:10:32,722 (Kidd) A lot of people around fashion do suffer from anxiety, 1234 01:10:32,979 --> 01:10:35,265 do suffer from panic attacks, depression. 1235 01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:38,481 The industry is feeding this ego. 1236 01:10:38,818 --> 01:10:41,150 And it has a very negative efiect. 1237 01:10:42,029 --> 01:10:44,896 (Joseph) For the Voss show the original concept was a padded cell. 1238 01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:50,694 (Kidd) You start losing who you are and it becomes a darkness 1239 01:10:50,955 --> 01:10:52,570 and a place that you can't get out of. 1240 01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:55,202 (Joseph) And, of course, Lee being Lee, 1241 01:10:55,418 --> 01:10:57,500 he wasn’t happy with just this one great idea. 1242 01:10:57,754 --> 01:11:00,291 You then had to have another box in the middle 1243 01:11:00,715 --> 01:11:03,957 as a kind of theatrical climax to the show. 1244 01:11:04,343 --> 01:11:07,631 When he came and sat down to explain what it was, 1245 01:11:08,055 --> 01:11:10,546 he wouldn't look me in the eye and he was saying, 1246 01:11:11,017 --> 01:11:14,350 "Yes, it's about death and beauty and rebirth." 1247 01:11:14,645 --> 01:11:16,181 "It's gonna be beautiful." 1248 01:11:16,647 --> 01:11:19,354 I really wasn't expecting to be recreating 1249 01:11:19,442 --> 01:11:22,275 Joel-Peter Witkin's famous incubus image. 1250 01:11:22,445 --> 01:11:23,480 (Tape plays) 1251 01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:25,902 (McQueen speaking) 1252 01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:32,489 (Tape stops) 1253 01:11:32,872 --> 01:11:34,328 It's a pretty gruesome image 1254 01:11:34,457 --> 01:11:37,199 and I'm thinking, "Oh, my goodness, am I gonna do this?" 1255 01:11:37,376 --> 01:11:39,162 And I was like, "All right, then, I will do it, 1256 01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:41,289 "but I want you to know... " 1257 01:11:41,672 --> 01:11:43,708 Serious face. "...that I 'm doing it for art." 1258 01:11:45,218 --> 01:11:47,709 And he looked at me like I was mad 1259 01:11:47,887 --> 01:11:49,627 and then he looked away and he went, 1260 01:11:49,847 --> 01:11:51,963 "I thought we all were, weren't we?" And he was off. 1261 01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:55,967 The actual set had that Stanley Kubrick 2001 1262 01:11:56,145 --> 01:11:58,306 meets an insane asylum feel. 1263 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,681 And there was a two-way mirror so that when the fashion people, 1264 01:12:01,901 --> 01:12:04,893 when the fashion press came in to wait for the show to start, 1265 01:12:05,029 --> 01:12:07,111 they were all looking at themselves in the mirror. 1266 01:12:07,406 --> 01:12:10,068 The music started, ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum, 1267 01:12:10,326 --> 01:12:13,238 with this heartbeat that went faster and faster and faster. 1268 01:12:13,704 --> 01:12:16,366 (Joseph) We didn't know what to expect, what was gonna happen. 1269 01:12:16,541 --> 01:12:18,281 None of the audience knew at all. 1270 01:12:19,252 --> 01:12:23,586 (McQueen) Fashion is a big bubble and sometimes I feel like popping it. 1271 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:34,680 (Joseph) When the show starts, boom, you can see inside. 1272 01:12:34,892 --> 01:12:36,883 But the models can 't see the audience at all. 1273 01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:40,349 (Olley) It was suddenly a much more kind of voyeuristic thing. 1274 01:12:41,858 --> 01:12:43,814 The bandages he put on all the model's heads 1275 01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:48,778 so it had that slight feeling of unease and sickness and a bed/am feel about it. 1276 01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:57,237 (Mira) There was one time that I 'd just come out of surgery 1277 01:12:57,456 --> 01:12:59,037 and he came to visit me 1278 01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:02,074 and he saw me and I had bandages everywhere. 1279 01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:05,996 I was all bruised up and he was like, "Fucking wickedl", as he would do that. 1280 01:13:09,135 --> 01:13:10,875 saw the beauty in the ugly, 1281 01:13:11,137 --> 01:13:13,093 as with the bandages on me. 1282 01:13:16,517 --> 01:13:17,552 (Laughing) 1283 01:13:28,613 --> 01:13:31,480 (Heartbeat) 1284 01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:43,408 (McQueen) Life isn’t perfect. We 're not all perfect size-zero models. 1285 01:13:43,586 --> 01:13:46,419 But there is beauty within the eye of the beholder. 1286 01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:50,130 (Flatlining beep) 1287 01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:03,136 (Olley) For the final image to be this one 1288 01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:07,606 of a large woman with moths everywhere, it sounds like a joke, really. 1289 01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:11,023 But I do think there’s a sense of humour going on underneath there as well. 1290 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,986 It's fat birds and moths. 1291 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,606 I mean, isn't thatjust fashion's worst nightmare? 1292 01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:23,702 (Tom Ford) Every season whose collections do I look at? 1293 01:14:23,793 --> 01:14:25,749 Whose collections am I jealous of in a sense? 1294 01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:29,336 Whose collections do I think are absolutely amazing? 1295 01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:34,334 Niglezio) Tom was literally God in the industry. 1296 01:14:34,679 --> 01:14:36,510 I guess, even if Lee was a rebel 1297 01:14:36,764 --> 01:14:39,301 and he was a totally different kind of person, 1298 01:14:39,684 --> 01:14:42,517 he probably was flattered and, you know, touched 1299 01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:46,812 by the fact that someone like Tom Ford noticed him and wanted him. 1300 01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:49,181 Also he was smart enough to know 1301 01:14:49,443 --> 01:14:51,308 that he needed that financial help. 1302 01:14:52,405 --> 01:14:54,191 (McQueen speaking) 1303 01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:12,372 The wonderful thing about Lee is he is poet... 1304 01:15:12,675 --> 01:15:14,381 He won't like this either, but it's true. 1305 01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:18,128 ...poet and commerce united, because he's very practical. 1306 01:15:18,639 --> 01:15:21,381 So he understands you can express whatever you want on the runway 1307 01:15:21,726 --> 01:15:24,889 but you need something beautiful on the hanger to sell to a store. 1308 01:15:26,147 --> 01:15:29,264 (Alice) Gucci Group was smart. They saw what the potential was. 1309 01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:32,813 And they offered McQueen a deal he thought he couldn't refuse 1310 01:15:33,195 --> 01:15:35,311 which was, "Here, we'll underwrite your company 1311 01:15:35,573 --> 01:15:38,064 "and give you 50% of the ownership. " 1312 01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:39,990 They had secret meetings 1313 01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:41,825 so none of it would get back to Arnault 1314 01:15:41,954 --> 01:15:43,285 and the LVMH people. 1315 01:15:43,456 --> 01:15:46,243 They had no idea it was coming until it hit them. 1316 01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,243 (McQueen) I was quite adamant when I talked to Tom 1317 01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:52,832 that this was a one-man band. 1318 01:15:53,382 --> 01:15:56,249 So they leave you alone to design what you want? 1319 01:15:56,469 --> 01:15:57,549 Hundred percent. 1320 01:15:57,636 --> 01:15:59,592 (McQueen) l was looking for major investment 1321 01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:03,222 and then Gucci got in touch and... 1322 01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:06,475 The rest is history. 1323 01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:09,603 (McQueen laughs) 1324 01:16:10,524 --> 01:16:12,185 Au revoir, Givenchy. 1325 01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:16,189 (Lively stringed music) 1326 01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:25,486 (Music stops abruptly) 1327 01:16:28,334 --> 01:16:29,665 (Dog panting) 1328 01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:33,168 (McQueen) Got ya! 1329 01:16:34,006 --> 01:16:36,372 (Melancholic orchestral music) 1330 01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:42,340 (Dogs growling playfully) 1331 01:16:48,395 --> 01:16:49,510 What are you doing? 1332 01:16:49,814 --> 01:16:53,306 I have an affinity with the sea. I don't know, maybe cos I'm Pisces. 1333 01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,730 And when it rains and it snows 1334 01:16:57,113 --> 01:17:00,196 and you're near the sea and you can hear the waves... 1335 01:17:01,325 --> 01:17:04,317 It's very melancholic but it's very romantic. 1336 01:17:06,997 --> 01:17:09,864 Sometimes you need to have a break 1337 01:17:10,793 --> 01:17:12,249 to get away from everything 1338 01:17:12,378 --> 01:17:16,667 and not to think about business and fashion shows 1339 01:17:17,091 --> 01:17:19,252 and to take time out. 1340 01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:27,047 I have to be surrounded by nature. 1341 01:17:27,852 --> 01:17:29,217 This is older than the house. 1342 01:17:29,562 --> 01:17:33,305 This is over 400 years old. It's an elm tree. 1343 01:17:33,691 --> 01:17:36,182 And we uplight it at night. 1344 01:17:39,405 --> 01:17:41,361 And, like, it’s good inspiration. 1345 01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:45,733 (Melancholic orchestral music) 1346 01:17:49,081 --> 01:17:51,242 All my friends come here and, you know, 1347 01:17:51,542 --> 01:17:55,251 we have the fire on and we watch DVDs and listen to music. 1348 01:17:56,297 --> 01:17:58,754 It's nice and relaxing. 1349 01:18:06,432 --> 01:18:10,892 He would be spending time with my mum a lot, down the cottage. 1350 01:18:11,562 --> 01:18:14,429 (Janet) I’m grateful that we had that time together. 1351 01:18:15,149 --> 01:18:18,641 We'd see more of each other and we did things together. 1352 01:18:19,987 --> 01:18:22,194 (McQueen) My family keep me grounded. 1353 01:18:22,448 --> 01:18:24,655 Fashion can be a very superficial business. 1354 01:18:27,328 --> 01:18:30,115 When lstarted in London there was nothing like this. 1355 01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:34,369 It's as close as we can get to haute couture in England. 1356 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,622 All the people here are students and it’s, like, training them up 1357 01:18:38,005 --> 01:18:41,293 and giving them that initial step into the world of fashion. 1358 01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:44,879 Lee knew from when I was a little boy 1359 01:18:45,095 --> 01:18:47,711 that I loved to draw and I was always very artistic. 1360 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,177 A lot of time had passed and I was working at a rubbish tip 1361 01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:54,969 and Lee had the position for a textile designer on menswear 1362 01:18:55,272 --> 01:18:57,012 and that's when he took me on. 1363 01:18:57,524 --> 01:18:59,480 Lee was really happy having me there, 1364 01:19:00,027 --> 01:19:02,143 firstly on the creative level, 1365 01:19:02,363 --> 01:19:04,069 but secondly just having 1366 01:19:05,074 --> 01:19:07,360 something that reminded him of his past 1367 01:19:07,618 --> 01:19:09,483 and his childhood. 1368 01:19:11,372 --> 01:19:12,532 Let's have a look. 1369 01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:17,158 (McQueen) There was a period when it wasn't so good and I had a lot of angst. 1370 01:19:17,378 --> 01:19:19,994 It was kind of hard. There was a lot of confliction in my head 1371 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,627 with doing a job that I didn't wanna do, which was Givenchy. 1372 01:19:23,801 --> 01:19:25,837 But I think I 've come to a stage where 1373 01:19:26,387 --> 01:19:29,504 I just accept this is my life, this is what I was born to do. 1374 01:19:34,019 --> 01:19:35,384 (McQueen) Oh. 1375 01:19:35,688 --> 01:19:37,895 (Laughter) -(Woman) I like you like this. 1376 01:19:39,149 --> 01:19:41,515 (Gary) He controlled the vibe wherever he went. 1377 01:19:41,694 --> 01:19:45,312 A lot of the time he was such a buzz to be around. 1378 01:19:45,447 --> 01:19:47,608 The way I put it, it was like he was the queen bee 1379 01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:51,526 with the worker bees responding to the signals from that queen bee. 1380 01:19:51,704 --> 01:19:53,660 And people felt that, you know. 1381 01:19:53,914 --> 01:19:55,870 He had this kind of childish way 1382 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,741 of mucking about in the studio environment. 1383 01:19:59,044 --> 01:20:02,536 It just made things so light and such a nice place to be. 1384 01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:07,750 That's what excited everybody. 1385 01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:13,635 (McQueen) I speak so loudly in my work itself, you know. 1386 01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:15,720 I think everything I do is personal. 1387 01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:19,478 Even turning Kate Moss into a hologram is kind of personal. It's ethereal. 1388 01:20:19,732 --> 01:20:23,190 It's a time I’m feeling at one with the world and heavenly. 1389 01:20:23,485 --> 01:20:25,692 If you want to know me, just look at my work. 1390 01:20:34,455 --> 01:20:37,037 (Slow triumphal music) 1391 01:20:44,423 --> 01:20:46,209 (Reporter) What does fashion mean to you? 1392 01:20:47,217 --> 01:20:48,457 My life. 1393 01:20:54,016 --> 01:20:55,472 (Detmar) lssie died proud, 1394 01:20:55,642 --> 01:20:58,099 having achieved beyond her wildest dreams. 1395 01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:02,020 (Plurn) The fact that lssie went was a huge blow to so many people, 1396 01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:03,389 including Alexander. 1397 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,019 A huge blow. 1398 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,982 (Bells tolling) 1399 01:21:25,464 --> 01:21:29,503 I saw him at Issie's funeral and I've never seen anyone so devastated. 1400 01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:32,251 I couldn’t recognise him. 1401 01:21:32,346 --> 01:21:35,383 He sat right behind me and I turned round and saw this person 1402 01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:40,426 in a Highland kilt and a hat, looking very sad. 1403 01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:42,803 I thought, "My God, it's McQueen, Alexander." 1404 01:21:43,148 --> 01:21:45,810 And the look on his face was haunting. 1405 01:21:46,402 --> 01:21:47,437 I fell... 1406 01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:49,189 I felt for him. 1407 01:21:49,405 --> 01:21:52,238 You could just feel... You could just see the pain. 1408 01:21:53,158 --> 01:21:54,364 He suffered. 1409 01:21:54,618 --> 01:21:55,653 I could see the love. 1410 01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:57,325 Never deny the love. 1411 01:21:57,496 --> 01:21:59,862 It was such a love afiair between those two. 1412 01:22:03,335 --> 01:22:05,166 lssie seemed to slot in 1413 01:22:05,295 --> 01:22:07,411 between a sister and a mum. 1414 01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:13,300 She was in the middle and Lee just loved lssie. 1415 01:22:14,763 --> 01:22:17,220 (Detmar) The connection between lssie and McQueen... 1416 01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:19,305 They both carried sadnesses. 1417 01:22:21,728 --> 01:22:25,312 He felt that person had destroyed his innocence. 1418 01:22:25,691 --> 01:22:28,854 lssie had this very sad instance when she was about five years old 1419 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,314 when her brother that she was playing with died. 1420 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:34,488 Not Issie’s fault, but she always felt responsible for him 1421 01:22:34,783 --> 01:22:36,364 and carried that guilt. 1422 01:22:36,493 --> 01:22:39,360 There was a destructive side and destructive issues 1423 01:22:39,496 --> 01:22:42,704 which she could never resolve entirely and they would blow up. 1424 01:22:43,709 --> 01:22:45,540 It became more and more serious. 1425 01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,327 (Blow) I don '1 take drugs, but I take medication. 1426 01:22:48,589 --> 01:22:52,173 I mean, sometimes I have to take a pill, just to keep me calm. 1427 01:22:52,551 --> 01:22:56,214 The pathway to her self-destruction was clear. 1428 01:22:57,097 --> 01:23:00,715 lssie, perhaps, was thinking she didn't want to go on forever. 1429 01:23:01,185 --> 01:23:03,221 She couldn't rein vent herself as an old woman 1430 01:23:03,353 --> 01:23:05,014 cos fashion ’3 all about youth. 1431 01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:08,518 Discovering people is a big thing. It's like being a mother. 1432 01:23:09,026 --> 01:23:10,982 And the milk's dried up. 1433 01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:13,693 (Detmar) lssie was planning her death. 1434 01:23:14,656 --> 01:23:16,647 So she wanted to say goodbye to McQueen. 1435 01:23:18,368 --> 01:23:20,734 And she organised a weekend. 1436 01:23:21,163 --> 01:23:24,451 She'd gone to a lot of trouble with a very lovely menu. 1437 01:23:26,293 --> 01:23:28,158 And Alexander was exhausted when he turned up 1438 01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:30,077 and just stayed in his room. 1439 01:23:31,882 --> 01:23:34,874 Whatever she needed, he wasn't able to give it himself 1440 01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:39,587 But they did see each other, yeah. There was a farewell between them. 1441 01:23:39,765 --> 01:23:41,630 Big hug and kiss and... 1442 01:23:42,142 --> 01:23:43,928 "See you in the next world." I don't know. 1443 01:23:44,186 --> 01:23:47,178 The thing is, when you're ill, you don't know... 1444 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:48,558 You're very alone. 1445 01:23:48,815 --> 01:23:51,056 (Detmar) lssie had ovarian cancer at the end. 1446 01:23:51,401 --> 01:23:54,564 If it was terminal, who knows. She wasn't interested in chemotherapy. 1447 01:23:56,657 --> 01:23:58,147 The last thing lssie said to me, 1448 01:23:58,825 --> 01:24:02,238 "Do you remember, Detmar, when I was a ray of sunshine?" 1449 01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:04,695 And I said, "You'll always be a ray of sunshine." 1450 01:24:08,835 --> 01:24:11,326 McQueen is calling his show "La Dame Bleue." 1451 01:24:11,672 --> 01:24:13,128 He '5 dedicating this show 1452 01:24:13,257 --> 01:24:17,546 to his late great friend and mentor, Isabella Blow. 1453 01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:19,885 You could see her in the clothes. 1454 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,797 You could smell the perfume of her around. 1455 01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:26,099 And you could see her children, in a way, backstage, 1456 01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:29,182 Alexander and Philip going crazy together. 1457 01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:31,517 (Mira) What bonded them was lssie. 1458 01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:35,647 Isabella single-handedly invented Alexander and myself 1459 01:24:35,946 --> 01:24:37,311 from nowhere 1460 01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:42,692 with such conviction that... We will never experience again. 1461 01:24:43,245 --> 01:24:48,114 Her belief in you made you be the person you are. 1462 01:24:49,876 --> 01:24:51,332 (Wings flapping) 1463 01:24:58,051 --> 01:25:00,087 (Tinkling screech) 1464 01:25:00,887 --> 01:25:02,878 (Melancholic instrumental music) 1465 01:25:07,728 --> 01:25:11,391 (Bobby) Once you sat down and you saw the set and the music, 1466 01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:14,686 you were there and it held you, 1467 01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:18,731 because I kept seeing her in the clothes that he was putting on the catwalk 1468 01:25:19,072 --> 01:25:21,905 and the hats, of course, that Philip was designing. 1469 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:30,285 (Viglezio) It was actually creating some mythical figure 1470 01:25:30,584 --> 01:25:33,747 that was like Issie’s presence at the show. 1471 01:25:41,887 --> 01:25:43,172 (Detmar) So emotional. 1472 01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:45,212 I just couldn't stop crying, 1473 01:25:45,682 --> 01:25:47,388 just bent over double. 1474 01:25:47,476 --> 01:25:48,932 And, erm... 1475 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:51,472 Grief is grief. You have to go through it. 1476 01:25:57,569 --> 01:26:01,027 (Bobby) And then to see them come on and realise how young they were 1477 01:26:01,365 --> 01:26:03,401 and they had lost a great friend 1478 01:26:03,867 --> 01:26:05,858 and how they had loved her. 1479 01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:15,075 (Janet) I think it had a big efiect on Lee. 1480 01:26:16,296 --> 01:26:18,958 After lssie passed away, 1481 01:26:19,716 --> 01:26:23,584 he was in a really dark place. 1482 01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:24,880 (Tape plays) 1483 01:26:28,141 --> 01:26:29,597 (McQueen speaking) 1484 01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:43,441 (Sebastian) We were watching TV in the evening 1485 01:26:43,699 --> 01:26:46,281 and Lee McQueen opened the news that day 1486 01:26:46,451 --> 01:26:48,567 with the Horn of Plenty show. 1487 01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:54,452 And my father was sitting there and he's like, "Sebastian, come over. 1488 01:26:54,668 --> 01:26:57,501 "I think it’s your crazy friend's fashion on TV. " 1489 01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:01,209 And when my father saw the collection, he was like, 1490 01:27:02,050 --> 01:27:04,541 "I think your friend has gone really mad." 1491 01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:09,963 And I think with Horn of Plenty 1492 01:27:10,225 --> 01:27:12,682 that really reflects the fashion world today, 1493 01:27:13,562 --> 01:27:14,677 a pile of crap. 1494 01:27:21,862 --> 01:27:24,353 (Sebastian) Three years of being apart, 1495 01:27:24,531 --> 01:27:27,739 I think a lot and I think he thinks a lot also. 1496 01:27:29,244 --> 01:27:33,078 And when I called him, it was like, "Hello, Lee?" 1497 01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:35,030 (As McQueen) "Hello?" 1498 01:27:35,292 --> 01:27:36,623 "Lee, it's Sebastian." 1499 01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:40,620 "Where the fuck have you been all this time, you fucking bastard?" 1500 01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:46,879 We just started again like... Like the brothers we were before. 1501 01:27:48,013 --> 01:27:50,379 So then I took the ferry to Ibiza 1502 01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:52,672 and I went to his villa. 1503 01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:56,597 When he opened the door, I was in shock 1504 01:27:56,855 --> 01:28:00,143 because the person who opened the door, 1505 01:28:00,484 --> 01:28:03,317 he was a different person, he was really skinny 1506 01:28:03,612 --> 01:28:07,605 and looking very fragile and very, very pale. 1507 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,488 When I hugged him, that's when I noticed 1508 01:28:11,661 --> 01:28:14,198 something has changed because... 1509 01:28:14,623 --> 01:28:17,660 His body structure was just bones. 1510 01:28:18,043 --> 01:28:21,786 There was hardly any muscle or flesh there. 1511 01:28:24,633 --> 01:28:28,797 (Gary) Lee come in with the idea of having an invitation for a show 1512 01:28:28,929 --> 01:28:30,920 that had that metamorphosis. 1513 01:28:31,097 --> 01:28:34,681 He wanted his face to transform into a skull. 1514 01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:40,395 Everything in his life had just led to these feelings of torment. 1515 01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,477 Lee was HIV positive. 1516 01:28:44,361 --> 01:28:47,524 Even though it isn't a death sentence as such, 1517 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,403 I think it was always in the back of Lee's mind. 1518 01:28:51,868 --> 01:28:54,359 You'd feel the bad vibes when Lee was down. 1519 01:28:54,621 --> 01:28:58,159 There was a real depression that was brought with that as well. 1520 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,162 (Slow stringed music) 1521 01:29:11,054 --> 01:29:13,136 (Janet) I think the trouble is with Lee, 1522 01:29:13,390 --> 01:29:17,224 afier a show, when you've done that build-up and you've worked hard, 1523 01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:21,311 you could see there was a little bit of a down. 1524 01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:25,182 And then onto the next show. 1525 01:29:25,861 --> 01:29:26,896 Again. 1526 01:29:28,363 --> 01:29:32,151 Yeah, it was just show afier show. I don 't know how Lee did it. 1527 01:29:37,372 --> 01:29:41,035 (McQueen) The pressure's kind of quite immense now 1528 01:29:41,293 --> 01:29:45,002 because of the Gucci contract and, erm... 1529 01:29:46,339 --> 01:29:47,374 You know, the... 1530 01:29:47,674 --> 01:29:50,962 I do the men's now and now I also do McQ, 1531 01:29:51,219 --> 01:29:53,710 so it's about 14 collections a year again, 1532 01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:57,798 same as when l was at Givenchy, so it's hard work. 1533 01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:06,310 (Gary) He would have liked the idea of moving away 1534 01:30:06,484 --> 01:30:08,020 and just leaving everything behind, 1535 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:12,188 but as it was his name above the door and his reputation as a person 1536 01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:15,698 and everything he had built, he couldn 't just abandon it. 1537 01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:25,909 If I ever get that old and I'm still around and I leave my company, 1538 01:30:26,713 --> 01:30:30,080 I'll just burn the place down so there's no one working there. 1539 01:30:30,383 --> 01:30:33,125 (Reporter) Really? So you'd never let someone carry on 1540 01:30:33,762 --> 01:30:36,595 the McQueen tradition or the McQueen brand 1541 01:30:36,723 --> 01:30:38,588 if you weren't actively involved? 1542 01:30:39,309 --> 01:30:40,389 Erm... 1543 01:30:41,311 --> 01:30:43,552 I don't think so. I mean, it doesn't... 1544 01:30:44,230 --> 01:30:47,939 It... Because that person will have to come up with the concepts for my show 1545 01:30:48,109 --> 01:30:49,974 and my shows are so personal. 1546 01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:51,606 How can... How can that be? 1547 01:30:53,281 --> 01:30:56,318 (Janet) I said, "Why don '1 you just step away, Lee, for a year?" 1548 01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:58,446 And he just said, "You don 't understand. " 1549 01:30:58,536 --> 01:31:01,744 He said, "I’m responsible for 50 people. 1550 01:31:01,998 --> 01:31:05,115 "They've got to pay their mortgages. I can'tjust stop." 1551 01:31:08,046 --> 01:31:09,877 (Viglezio) l was always thinking 1552 01:31:10,048 --> 01:31:12,460 there's so much sadness in him, 1553 01:31:12,717 --> 01:31:14,548 and that was sad, you know, 1554 01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:19,179 because he was this successful, flamboyant being 1555 01:31:19,432 --> 01:31:21,343 who actually was so lonely deep inside. 1556 01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:24,217 It can be. It can be really lonely. 1557 01:31:24,562 --> 01:31:26,143 And I think... 1558 01:31:26,564 --> 01:31:29,681 You know, I think there's more to life than fashion 1559 01:31:30,068 --> 01:31:33,185 and I don't want to be stuck in that bubble of, "This is what I do." 1560 01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:37,030 It's nice because you see everyone in the office. 1561 01:31:37,283 --> 01:31:39,194 They go home and they can shut ofi 1562 01:31:39,661 --> 01:31:42,494 but I'm still Alexander McQueen after I shut the door. 1563 01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:45,451 Do you know what I mean? I've got to go home with myself, so... 1564 01:31:46,084 --> 01:31:47,665 You know, if you've had a bad day, 1565 01:31:47,794 --> 01:31:50,331 I've only got myself to answer to, so... 1566 01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:51,457 (Laughing) 1567 01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:03,093 I mean, with us, he was, like, behaving... 1568 01:32:04,102 --> 01:32:05,592 All right, OK, 1569 01:32:06,438 --> 01:32:10,647 but deep inside we knew that he wasn't... 1570 01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:14,230 He wasn't 100%. 1571 01:32:14,821 --> 01:32:16,937 He could hear voices. 1572 01:32:17,115 --> 01:32:20,607 He was telling me that they were chasing him. 1573 01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:23,367 One thing he used to say, 1574 01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,870 "Paranoia will destroy ya." 1575 01:32:26,708 --> 01:32:28,915 (Joseph) I remember doing a drawing 1576 01:32:29,377 --> 01:32:32,039 which, basically, has got lots of cameras around. 1577 01:32:32,213 --> 01:32:34,545 We’re thinking, "Maybe the cameras could be on robots. " 1578 01:32:34,841 --> 01:32:37,332 It was always about getting the camera right in your face 1579 01:32:37,552 --> 01:32:40,840 and it's surveillance, making the audience a bit uncomfortable. 1580 01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:43,387 (Gary) The idea behind Plato’s Atlantis 1581 01:32:43,475 --> 01:32:46,433 is where people come from the land and go back into the sea. 1582 01:32:46,603 --> 01:32:47,809 (Tape plays) 1583 01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:49,264 (McQueen speaking) 1584 01:32:58,865 --> 01:32:59,900 (Tape stops) 1585 01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,282 (Gary) He loved swimming, scuba diving. 1586 01:33:02,494 --> 01:33:05,577 He loved that feeling of just being in a difierent world undenlvater, 1587 01:33:06,206 --> 01:33:07,696 just away from everything, 1588 01:33:07,832 --> 01:33:10,164 almost like you’re back in the womb, floating. 1589 01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:14,377 You know? And that kind of serenity you would get through that. 1590 01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:18,707 (Sebastian) Plato’s Atlantis was kind of like a study in his head 1591 01:33:18,968 --> 01:33:20,833 with all the digital printing 1592 01:33:21,304 --> 01:33:24,216 and all the experimenting, pattern-cutting. 1593 01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:27,887 And the robots were there again. 1594 01:33:28,228 --> 01:33:32,267 He said to me, "I designed my last collection, Sebastian. " 1595 01:33:32,857 --> 01:33:35,769 And he told me, "I've had enough with all this. 1596 01:33:36,611 --> 01:33:38,397 "I am gonna kill myself." 1597 01:33:39,197 --> 01:33:41,859 "What do you mean, you're gonna kill yourself?" 1598 01:33:42,283 --> 01:33:44,444 He's like, "Yeah, I... 1599 01:33:44,536 --> 01:33:47,369 "I am fed up. I've had it with this. 1600 01:33:47,539 --> 01:33:49,530 "I just wanna put an end to it. 1601 01:33:49,833 --> 01:33:53,371 "And in my last show, in the end..." 1602 01:33:53,545 --> 01:33:55,001 He said, "Do you remember Voss? 1603 01:33:55,797 --> 01:33:57,879 "So, I’m gonna do the same sort of thing, 1604 01:33:58,424 --> 01:34:02,167 ”but it’s going to be a Perspex box the size of a human being. 1605 01:34:02,303 --> 01:34:03,543 "So, when the show ends, 1606 01:34:03,721 --> 01:34:07,555 "this box is gonna come up from the ground 1607 01:34:08,893 --> 01:34:10,884 "with me inside. 1608 01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:12,681 "And then I'm just... 1609 01:34:12,814 --> 01:34:14,554 "I'm just gonna shoot myself." 1610 01:34:15,984 --> 01:34:17,019 And... 1611 01:34:18,778 --> 01:34:20,188 (Stammering) And I... 1612 01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:23,480 I mean, I just didn't know what to... How to react to that. 1613 01:34:23,616 --> 01:34:25,356 You know what I mean? Because”. 1614 01:34:26,161 --> 01:34:27,697 He sounded so convinced. 1615 01:34:27,871 --> 01:34:29,657 (Tape plays) 1616 01:34:30,081 --> 01:34:31,116 (McQueen speaking) 1617 01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:40,542 It was like he thought 1618 01:34:40,925 --> 01:34:45,510 that the whole fashion "system" was against him. 1619 01:34:46,222 --> 01:34:49,009 And I said, "No, no one is against you. 1620 01:34:49,851 --> 01:34:53,184 "But if you are thinking to do this, 1621 01:34:53,313 --> 01:34:55,679 "you're gonna harm so many people 1622 01:34:56,191 --> 01:34:59,058 "because people come to your shows to see your beauty, 1623 01:34:59,485 --> 01:35:02,147 "your talent, your creativity and 1624 01:35:03,573 --> 01:35:05,529 "to see you, to see your work." 1625 01:35:05,950 --> 01:35:08,157 (Soft instrumental music) 1626 01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:24,207 (Frackowiak) He was like a movie director. 1627 01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:27,297 We had to be like aliens and he told us this. 1628 01:35:27,513 --> 01:35:29,879 He said, "Listen, you have to have this face. 1629 01:35:30,308 --> 01:35:32,720 "Strong, you know. You have to be powerful." 1630 01:35:32,894 --> 01:35:35,351 With this show, he kind of threw a bomb on us. 1631 01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:37,846 "OK, this is it. Finished. Everything is finished. 1632 01:35:38,024 --> 01:35:39,855 "We are reborn. We're starting anew. 1633 01:35:40,026 --> 01:35:41,562 "New chapter, new planet." 1634 01:35:41,694 --> 01:35:43,480 (Music intensifies) 1635 01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:56,826 (Frackowiak) I was really scared. 1636 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,076 I tried not to picture myself falling. 1637 01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:01,327 I wanted him to be proud of me 1638 01:36:01,464 --> 01:36:03,876 and I wanted him to be proud 1639 01:36:04,259 --> 01:36:07,171 that he has such an army of models. 1640 01:36:14,102 --> 01:36:15,842 (Gary) Endless print designs. 1641 01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,471 It might have been a fish's fin or scales from a snake, 1642 01:36:20,024 --> 01:36:23,562 and then manipulated and montaged 1643 01:36:23,695 --> 01:36:26,027 into a repeat pattern. 1644 01:36:26,197 --> 01:36:28,859 And it became something else, unrecognisable. 1645 01:36:29,284 --> 01:36:32,651 This was the turn of the digital age coming into fashion. 1646 01:36:34,205 --> 01:36:36,787 (Sebastian) If towards the end he wasn't that happy, 1647 01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:40,371 why his best collection is there? 1648 01:36:48,553 --> 01:36:52,171 He knew he needed something revolutionary. 1649 01:36:52,724 --> 01:36:55,682 And I think Plato's Atlantis is, I'm sorry. 1650 01:37:06,446 --> 01:37:09,859 (Janet) Ididn't go to Plato, my mum not being well. 1651 01:37:10,033 --> 01:37:11,989 She was on dialysis at the time. 1652 01:37:12,327 --> 01:37:16,491 Lee didn't really want to face the fact that we was gonna lose Mum. 1653 01:37:16,581 --> 01:37:19,038 Because he'd lost lssie, 1654 01:37:19,167 --> 01:37:21,203 he wasn't, erm, 1655 01:37:22,545 --> 01:37:25,287 dealing with Mum not being well. 1656 01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:38,967 (Gary) After my grandmother Joyce passed away, 1657 01:37:40,938 --> 01:37:42,929 he was in really bad shape. 1658 01:37:43,524 --> 01:37:45,389 (Janet) Lee was distraught. 1659 01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:48,522 We was sitting in the living room at my dad's 1660 01:37:49,864 --> 01:37:52,856 and he didn't look himself at all, Lee. 1661 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:58,199 I mean, we was all taking my mum 's passing bad. 1662 01:37:59,207 --> 01:38:04,122 I think we was all worried about Lee because obviously Mum and Lee... 1663 01:38:06,547 --> 01:38:08,378 Lee idolised my mum. 1664 01:38:19,852 --> 01:38:21,934 The Iastjob he gave me to do 1665 01:38:22,063 --> 01:38:24,475 was designing the gravestone. 1666 01:38:25,817 --> 01:38:28,684 He liked the idea of the wings wrapping round the gravestone 1667 01:38:28,820 --> 01:38:31,937 to kind of embrace my grandmother Joyce. 1668 01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:35,155 Originally, I had hands 1669 01:38:35,284 --> 01:38:37,946 which were facing down on top of the gravestone. 1670 01:38:38,287 --> 01:38:43,452 But the hands for him facing down was holding them down. 1671 01:38:43,751 --> 01:38:46,493 He wanted them uplifted, so he turned the hands upwards. 1672 01:38:50,633 --> 01:38:52,624 (Janet) I called Lee 1673 01:38:52,927 --> 01:38:54,258 and 1674 01:38:55,471 --> 01:38:57,211 we spoke about 1675 01:38:58,224 --> 01:39:00,215 Mum's funeral and... 1676 01:39:01,561 --> 01:39:03,847 And that was the last conversation. 1677 01:39:05,982 --> 01:39:07,267 -(Tape plays) -(McQueen speaking) 1678 01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:21,202 (Mira) The night... 1679 01:39:21,372 --> 01:39:24,205 lwas in bed, I was reading, and I felt... 1680 01:39:25,042 --> 01:39:26,998 I felt something touch my head. 1681 01:39:28,379 --> 01:39:30,461 Very softly and very gently. 1682 01:39:30,548 --> 01:39:33,039 I touched my head and I said to myself, 1683 01:39:33,551 --> 01:39:35,462 "Who's here? Who are you?" 1684 01:39:36,053 --> 01:39:39,545 I knew someone had passed and was saying goodbye. 1685 01:39:59,660 --> 01:40:03,869 I got a call at half past 9:00 in the morning 1686 01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:05,530 from my sister. 1687 01:40:05,666 --> 01:40:08,157 And then that phone call... 1688 01:40:10,046 --> 01:40:12,378 Just changed... 1689 01:40:13,883 --> 01:40:15,089 Everything. 1690 01:40:16,427 --> 01:40:18,588 I just really couldn't believe what I was hearing 1691 01:40:18,763 --> 01:40:21,880 because itjust seemed so surreal in that moment. 1692 01:40:24,393 --> 01:40:29,854 Just the vision in my mind of Lee being sort of all alone 1693 01:40:29,982 --> 01:40:31,563 and doing that as well 1694 01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:34,354 was playing through my mind, you know, and it's quite... 1695 01:40:35,696 --> 01:40:37,061 Er... 1696 01:40:37,198 --> 01:40:39,905 It's not the nicest way to go, you know. 1697 01:40:43,454 --> 01:40:45,194 It's, erm... 1698 01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:49,157 | just don't want to think what was going through his mind, 1699 01:40:49,418 --> 01:40:52,080 how lonely he must have been as well, doing it. 1700 01:41:01,347 --> 01:41:03,258 (Reporter 1) The fashion world is in shock 1701 01:41:03,516 --> 01:41:05,882 over news that Alexander McQueen has died... 1702 01:41:06,102 --> 01:41:09,265 (Reporter 2) The darling of British fashion has been found dead after... 1703 01:41:09,605 --> 01:41:12,642 (Reporters speaking other languages) 1704 01:41:26,539 --> 01:41:28,154 (Sebastian) He used to say that a lot. 1705 01:41:28,332 --> 01:41:29,947 "One day 1706 01:41:30,126 --> 01:41:33,664 "I'm gonna come home inside a body bag." 1707 01:41:35,881 --> 01:41:37,872 And that day when... 1708 01:41:40,052 --> 01:41:43,215 The news opened again that day 1709 01:41:43,389 --> 01:41:46,506 of him leaving his house inside a body bag. 1710 01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:57,809 (Rebecca) I’d taken my kids to Hamleys’ 100th-year celebration 1711 01:41:58,154 --> 01:42:00,736 and my partner picked me up and said, 1712 01:42:00,906 --> 01:42:01,941 llllve got. I III 1713 01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:05,032 I can't do it. It'll just be really silly. I'll just cry. 1714 01:42:05,453 --> 01:42:07,990 He said, "Lee's dead." 1715 01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:10,988 And it was just such a shock 1716 01:42:11,417 --> 01:42:14,784 and I was so angry for a really long time. 1717 01:42:15,046 --> 01:42:17,253 Because you think just... "How do you... 1718 01:42:17,757 --> 01:42:20,123 "How did that happen?" You know? He's... 1719 01:42:21,802 --> 01:42:23,042 I think that 1720 01:42:25,389 --> 01:42:28,222 perhaps after my mum went 1721 01:42:28,392 --> 01:42:33,853 that he felt there was nothing that could make him happy any more. 1722 01:42:34,774 --> 01:42:38,687 And I just think it was in that moment that 1723 01:42:40,863 --> 01:42:43,354 he had that emptiness. 1724 01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:47,070 I miss him a lot, yeah. 1725 01:42:47,703 --> 01:42:51,070 I miss that... That... You know... 1726 01:42:51,791 --> 01:42:54,783 He could have had, like, some really great happiness in his life 1727 01:42:54,877 --> 01:42:57,994 and he didn't quite have that in his personal life. 1728 01:42:58,214 --> 01:43:02,127 And... That's what I wish... Wished for him most. 1729 01:43:02,968 --> 01:43:04,208 (Softly) Yeah. 1730 01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:11,599 I'm so happy I got to... 1731 01:43:12,812 --> 01:43:14,677 To meet him and to... 1732 01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,180 To share 1733 01:43:18,734 --> 01:43:22,272 part of my life with his story and everything. 1734 01:43:23,364 --> 01:43:24,774 But I miss him. 1735 01:43:24,865 --> 01:43:26,355 | wish 1736 01:43:27,493 --> 01:43:30,701 things ended in a different way. 1737 01:43:46,387 --> 01:43:48,423 (Plum) He wanted to make really beautiful things 1738 01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:50,129 and he sculpted in clothing. 1739 01:43:50,391 --> 01:43:52,052 He was a sculptor really, I think, 1740 01:43:52,351 --> 01:43:54,137 and that's where that silhouette came from. 1741 01:43:56,021 --> 01:43:59,184 (Mira) His clothes made me feel that you could be feminine, 1742 01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,188 but at the same time, you know, "Don't fuck with me, I’m a bitch. " 1743 01:44:03,529 --> 01:44:05,019 (Laughs) 1744 01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:11,408 (Sebastian) The thing I remember best is seeing him working. 1745 01:44:12,163 --> 01:44:13,824 It was magical. 1746 01:44:14,123 --> 01:44:16,865 For me, he was like a magician. 1747 01:44:20,379 --> 01:44:22,665 (Kidd) One outfit would just be insane 1748 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:25,627 and then the next one would just be genius. 1749 01:44:27,178 --> 01:44:32,718 (Viglezio) Nobody could create emotions in a show like Lee McQueen did. 1750 01:44:35,478 --> 01:44:39,141 (Gary) Fashion for Lee was a way of just communicating a whole world 1751 01:44:39,273 --> 01:44:42,436 and he wanted to take himself out of the picture, 1752 01:44:42,526 --> 01:44:46,018 for people just to focus on this art that he was creating. 1753 01:44:47,490 --> 01:44:51,904 (Simon) Raucous, bolshie, incredibly funny, incredibly driven. 1754 01:44:52,369 --> 01:44:56,829 Not only did he have a singular vision, but he was a very singular individual. 1755 01:44:57,166 --> 01:45:01,159 And his strength of personality was quite phenomenal. 1756 01:45:01,796 --> 01:45:04,208 You just don't see many people like that. 1757 01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:07,005 They don't... 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