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-(|ndistinct dialogue on TV)
-(Dog barking)
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-(Whining)
-(McQueen) Sminky-Pinky.
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Minks.
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-(Mira) You mean like a...
-"V_”
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(Mira) A "v"? All right.
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(Ads playing on TV in the background)
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(Tape plays)
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(McQueen speaking)
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(Slow song playing)
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(McKitterick) Lots of people say,
"I discovered Alexander McQueen. "
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But you don ’t discover talent.
Talent's there.
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You open doors for talent. You push it
through or you help it along.
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No one discovered Alexander McQueen.
Alexander McQueen discovered himself.
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(McKitterick) Lee had this
very strange CV.
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(McQueen) I wasn’t very good at school.
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l was always drawing clothes
in every lesson,
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in science, in biology and...
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But I used to enjoy art most.
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(Joyce) When he left school
he wasn't sure what he wanted to do.
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He was out of work.
Looking forwork, I should say.
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Because my husband's very strict
on the children going out to work.
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We was watching
a television programme one evening
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and they was saying
that they couldn't get apprentices
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to work in Savile Row.
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So I just said to him,
"Why don 't you go and try?
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"Just knock on the door.
They can only either say yes or no."
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And that's exactly what he done.
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(Hitchcock) Anderson & Sheppard
started in 1906.
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We like to do things
slightly different to other people.
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We have a house style.
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That's what we're going to teach
the apprentices to make.
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(McQueen) l was taught by a master
tailor from County Cork in Ireland.
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(Hitchcock) He was the best tailor
we had on the premises.
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You start off padding collars,
putting in pockets,
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but you're expected
to make a full jacket
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ready for fitting
by the end of the first year.
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As soon as you put it on,
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it should fit like a glove
and you know it's made for you.
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(McQueen) I knew I couldn't survive in a
place like that for the rest of my life,
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cluttered in a small workshop,
sitting on the bench, padding lapels.
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But I did have a passion
and l was good at it.
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l was good at tailoring a jacket.
I was quick at learning trousers.
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I wanted to learn everything.
"Give me everything."
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(Tatsuno) It was
the beginning of the '905
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when I had a bespoke tailoring shop
in Mount Street
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and he just walked in one day.
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He looked like a skinhead,
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but he just told me
he can cut a frock coat
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much better
than the 50-year-old tailor I had.
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So I was very curious
and ljust told him,
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"OK, show me what you can do."
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I never really made clothes
in a traditional way.
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l was experimenting myself
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in how to create structure
and volumes.
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l'd begun to just take in material,
any material.
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And, by putting them all together,
somehow you can start to create
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this three-dimensional form.
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He wanted to understand
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why I'm doing it this way
or that way.
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(Janet) When Lee was 17, he said,
"I'll make you a couple of skirts. "
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And I've got to say,
they fitted like a glove.
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They were so fitted to my body
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I couldn't even
move my legs, hardly,
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but I used to get compliments
on this skirt.
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I did use to wonder,
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"I hope he finds the right thing
for himself in life."
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(McKitterick) He was a sweet boy
from the East End,
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looking to make money.
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We needed technical help,
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machinists, pattern cutters.
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We needed people
who had hands-on experience
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in making clothes.
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He gave me no attitude,
was never late,
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always knew what he was doing,
always delivered.
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He listened continually
to Sinéad O'Connor, which was quite odd.
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No one else liked
Sinéad O'Connor at the time
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| always remember him with his Walkman
on, listening to Sinéad O'Connor.
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(Man) Three, two, one, ignition.
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Lift-off.
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(McKitterick) Red or Dead was
this very young streetwear company.
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When I said to him
that the Space Baby collection
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was based on the anniversary
of the men landing on the moon,
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he was like, "What?"
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He didn’t know
that you could take a subject
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and actually get inspiration from that
to design clothing.
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So, he didn’t understand
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this idea of visual research
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or historic references
or sexual references.
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(Control) We copy you on the ground.
(Armstrong) The Eagle has landed.
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He must have
asked me questions,
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"What can I do next?
How can I push myself fonrvard?"
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And at the time
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all the designers in Italy
were opening diffusion lines.
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He went to Italy with no language,
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no place to stay,
no money, no qualifications.
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I thought, "Within a week he’ll be back
with his tail between his legs. "
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A week later, maybe 10 days,
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I get a call from Lee from Italy.
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(Chuckling) He'd landed a job
as an assistant for Romeo Gig/i.
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To say l was shocked
was an understatement.
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(Gigli) I said to him,
"OK, I'm looking for a new jacket.
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"l have in my mind this shape
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"but my tailors,
they cannot reach that shape.
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"Maybe you can help me to do it."
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And we start to do that jacket
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and within the first fitting
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I say, "No, it's wrong.
That is not what I'm looking for."
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So with the tailor,
with Lee, they did one more.
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We did the second fitting
and again I take out the lining,
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look inside the jacket
and it was wrong.
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Third fitting I say,
"No, it's incorrect. "
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And I take out the lining
and inside the jacket
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Lee wrote with a black pen,
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"Fuck you, Romeo."
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That was a time
when l was looking for new shapes,
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for shapes, for shapes...
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And he was looking
so deeply and hard.
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He was really deeply looking
to understand everything.
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He was leaving my studio
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because he wanted to study
more and more and more.
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(Bobby) You can 't teach talent.
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But what you can do is make them better
at what they do, or more professional.
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And to me, the whole thinking
behind this MA
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was to make them work in teams,
working together,
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as you do in the fashion world.
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I saw this unprepossessing,
I must say,
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very shabby,
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very unattractive...
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I hate to even say this
but it was true.
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...boy with a bundle of clothes
over his arm outside my office.
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So I said to him,
"Who are you looking for?"
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And he said, "I've come to see you."
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But I had no job,
which he said he was after.
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The whole thing intrigued me.
He was passionate.
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And to me this is the secret, really.
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You... If you tap into that.
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(Chuckles) I found myself saying,
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"Well, I think you should come
on my course."
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And I couldn't offer him money.
That was really sad.
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And it was patently obvious
he had none.
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Aunt Renee said
she had money in the bank,
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sitting there not doing anything,
and she would rather help Lee.
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She'd worked
in the rag trade.
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She knew
that Lee had talent.
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And he came back and said,
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"My aunt is going to pay the fees
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"and I'm coming."
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(McQueen) Saint Martins
was the place to go.
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But what I liked about it
was the freedom of expression
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and being surrounded
by like-minded people.
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We got on really well because
we had the same sense of humour.
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And he laughed all the time,
so he was just funny and disrespectful.
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And he’d do catwalk shows down
the corridor. He'd just muck around.
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Whenever he could muck around,
he'd muck around.
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l was teaching there
at the time as well.
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And he was not frightened to tell
people, "I know better than you. "
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Even the tutors.
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He was a bit of a nightmare student
because he knew so much.
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I'm sure he was a pain
and did interrupt people.
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He didn't actually dare interrupt me.
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But he used it. He used it
as I intended him to use it.
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And he'd come to a painting or a book
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and, not having had a formal education,
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it was all new to him.
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And that was it.
He reinterpreted things in his way.
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It wasn't filtered through,
as with a lot of us
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who'd had
more conventional backgrounds.
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I loved that.
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He knew where to go for everything.
London was his town.
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"Where do I get my buttonholes?"
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He’d go, "You want to go
to Martin in Soho. "
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”If you want fabric, then you want to go
to Ben/vick Street, Shepherd's Bush. "
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He would take me to gay bars
and he would take me to lesbian bars
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and he'd, like, sit me there
and he'd go,
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"This is what you want.
This is what you want."
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I'd go, "No, ljust want to go home.
Can ljust go home and do my homework?"
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(Bobby) The course always ended
with the degree show.
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No other college
had ever been invited, as lwas,
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(McKitterick) He called me when he
was finishing the final collection
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and asked me to come in to have a look
and talk to him about it.
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It had all the elements.
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It had the history of the East End.
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It had the darkness,
Jack the Ripper stalks his victims.
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It had the research.
It had a really great story behind it.
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(Rebecca) He was reading books
like Perfume,
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which is all about the murder of women,
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and he had a very dark side to him
as well,
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so he was drawing
from all of these influences
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and then creating something
very beautiful out of it.
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(Fast-paced instrumental music)
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(Blow) The pieces went past me
and they moved in a way I've never seen.
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And I wanted them. They were modern.
They were classical.
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He would do a black coat
and then he'd line it with human hair.
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And it was blood-red inside
so it was like a body.
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It was like flesh with blood.
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And I just thought,
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"This is the most beautiful thing
I've ever seen. "
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It was about sabotage and tradition,
which is the perfect combination,
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and beauty and violence.
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All the things that I suppose
the '903 represent.
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(Applause)
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(Reporter) How difficult is it
to discover genius?
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(Blow) Not at all difficult,
cos they have it and l spot it.
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If you're interested
in late 20th-century clothes,
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Isabella Blow is a big player.
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(Blow) l was at American Vogue
and Anna Wintour discovered me
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and I worked for her
and then I went to British Vogue.
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McQueen was her knight
and she was gonna take him to the top.
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She was determined.
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(Blow) ljust knew. I rang up his mother
and said, "You've produced a genius."
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You know, he's like
the Saint Laurent of the year 2000.
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And his mother said to him,
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"Look, there's this mad woman
who keeps trying to call us.
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"She wants
some of your clothes."
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I rang between six
and eight times a day.
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Finally I got a little voice
on the end of the line, "Hello?"
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I said, "Can I make an appointment
with you? My name's Isabella Blow."
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I don't know to this day
if he knew who I was.
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No, ljust wanted the money.
I was desperate for money.
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I wasn't interested in him either.
I just wanted the clothes.
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I didn't give her no money off.
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I said, "That's 350, love.
You can take it or leave it."
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And...
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And she loved that.
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(Bobby) It wasn’t until I went
to the Bluebird Garage collection
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that he did that I...
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Well, I just thought,
"What have I unleashed?"
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And he walked across
and said, "I owe it all to you, "
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which I thought was very, very sweet
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because it was far from true.
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He'd worked every...
Every inch of the way himself.
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(Triumphal music)
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Every fashion designer wants
to create an illusion,
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create things that disturb
and fascinate people.
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Clothes are really beautiful
to work with,
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but there's also a reality outside.
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Some people don't want to hear it.
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It's all Iovey-dovey and everything's
fine in the world all the time.
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And I tell it the way it is.
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(Andrew) In the ’903,
you used to make clothes to go out.
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You used to make something
just for that night.
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You're going to this nightclub.
This person is on, or that DJ.
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"Right, what are we going to do?"
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I think Lee took everything.
I mean, that's one of Lee’s strengths.
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He took a lot of Boweiy’s aesthetic.
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lt's transgressive, it’s in-your-face.
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And he thought,
"How does this translate onto a runway?"
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Lee also used that language of fetish
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in terms of rubber
and latex and leather
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and put it into his fashion design.
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We started going out with each other
but part of me was thinking,
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"But also it's quite useful
cos I can sew as well. "
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It was literally anyone that could sew.
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It didn’t matter whether they were
any good at sewing or not.
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Were they willing to come
and sit in the studio
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for, like, 16 hours a day?
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And were they going to be
fun to be around?
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Lee was the badly-behaved,
naughty school boy
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that was always doing pranks
on people in the pub,
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and that's the person
that I liked and loved.
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(Cheering)
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(McQueen speaking)
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(Upbeat music plays)
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(Mira) At the time I first met Lee,
lwas living in Hoxton Square,
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and one day in pops this guy
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and I kind of figured he had rented,
you know, the downstairs.
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"Come in for a cup of tea.
Come in for a cup of tea. "
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And he asked what I did.
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I said, "Oh, you know, I do grooming
for men, hair and make-up. "
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And he goes,
"Oh. I'm having a show soon.
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"Would you do the hair and make-up
for the guys?"
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And I was like,
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"Don't you need to see
some of my work first?"
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I'd never done a show before,
you know, so...
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And he's like "No, no, no, no.
I can tell. I can tell."
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(Alice) He said to me one day,
"I’ve decided to do my own collection. "
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I remember thinking "How on earth
does he think he's gonna have a business
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"and make a collection?
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"He's got nothing. He's got no money,
no wherewithal, no studio,
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"nobody to support him
and nothing behind him."
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And yet he was determined
this was what he was going to do.
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I survived on unemployment benefit
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and I bought all my fabrics.
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I bought all my fabrics
with my dole money.
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And I went round to my parents
for baked beans
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and tins of soup and things like that.
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(lmitates violin and laughs)
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This is my pooch.
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(Alice) He said to me,
"I really need to get a logo. "
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We asked my boyfriend at the time
if he would design it.
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It was my idea
to put the "C" inside the "Q",
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but then Dave designed the rest of it.
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He was fantastic at getting people to do
a phenomenal amount of work for him.
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And we were never, ever paid.
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In fact, we were paying him
to work for him.
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How amazing is that?
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(Mira) Just to be part of it,
be part of his vision, yeah.
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He had that, even from
the very beginning, that pull.
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(McQueen) It's so bohemian. Warhol.
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Yeah.
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(Mira) Dance your way
to success. Come on!
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(Cheering and laughing)
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(Alice) Isabella was very keen
to call him Alexander.
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She thought it sounded better
as a designer.
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It sounded grander
and more romantic.
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lssie got criticised
for trying to make him posh.
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So what? Good for lssie.
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She was just trying
to make him successful. And she did.
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Alexander McQueen is a brand.
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(Reporter) Why do you love her
so much, Lee?
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Cos she's the same as me.
She doesn't care what people think.
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At the end of the day we're...
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We're separate entities
to everyone else
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and we have our own
personal view about things.
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(Blow) When you fall in love
with something,
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you nurture it and you look after it
like it's your... Garden.
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People garden, they cook,
they do the same thing.
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My ingredients are clothes.
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(Plum) She introduced him to everyone.
She championed him.
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So I suppose what initially started
as a work relationship for her
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became a creative friendship.
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(Andrew) She was someone
that was always really excited
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and wanted to see the next thing
and the new thing
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and wanted to push people.
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It was never about money.
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I never saw any money going
backwards and fonrvards between them.
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(Detmar) I just remember the laughter,
the exciting creativity of the mid-'90s
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And the adventure they were on this
rocket they shot to the moon.
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-(Indistinct)
-I'm sure you're a hungry little thing.
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(Detmar) The early days
were very happy days.
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They were short times, but they were
beautiful and they were funny.
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lssie didn't have children
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so she threw her maternal love
to her protégé.
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I looked fonivard to seeing him
cos he made me laugh so much.
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lssie and McQueen
had a very dirty sense of humour.
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McQueen would describe lssie
as a cross between Lucrezia Borgia
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and a Billingsgate fish wife.
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lssie had a very vulgar humour.
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I always found the cooks
and the cunts slightly...
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Always a bit... (Laughing) Ohl
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I wasn't really into
their earthy humour.
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However rude McQueen got,
lssie was even worse.
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They loved to play ofi each other
like that and be outrageous.
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I know Alexander loves birds
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so I've got this bird hat on
designed by Philip.
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We're going to do some falconry tomorrow
cos Alexander's got a very...
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He's passionate about birds.
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We're going to fly some falcons
tomorrow afternoon.
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(Slow instrumental music plays)
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(Simon) We did go and stay
at Hilles a few times.
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You would end up
diving into Issie's dressing-up box
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and we'd all be wearing
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fantastical costumes for dinner
and things like that.
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The world she inhabited
was so far removed
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from the world
that any of us had come from.
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There was a sort of unreality to it.
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Whenever we went to that house,
you just felt so at home.
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And I think Lee felt very at home there.
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(Detmar) They had this big sister, a fun
person to be with, who was outrageous.
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With lssie,
"Be as different as you can.
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(Laughing) "And keep going!
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"The more different,
the more I love it. "
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00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,221
I really don't like the norm.
I don't think it's...
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You don't move fonrvards, seriously.
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You just don't move fonrvard
if you play safe.
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You really do piss a lot of people off.
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(Alice) His first shows
were unbelievable.
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People were winded by them.
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People walked out.
Quite a few acerbic reviews.
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But everything else before
paled into comparison.
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I don't wanna do a show
that you walk out of
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feeling like you've
just had Sunday lunch.
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I want you to come out
either feeling repulsed or exhilarated.
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As long as it's an emotion.
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If you leave without emotion,
then I'm not doing myjob properly.
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00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,675
So that's that.
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00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:16,179
That's the thing about Alexander.
I think his clothes are very emotional.
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This coat is, like, based on a tramp,
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so it's based on someone
who hasn't got any money,
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standing in the street,
nowhere to sleep.
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You wrap it round yourself,
you feel fantastic.
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Then you have
all this passion and love
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and slashing
and sex and romance.
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(McQueen) The idea of the collection
was never to produce.
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The shows were all about publicity
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00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:45,330
and creating a marketing ploy
for Alexander McQueen, the designer.
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(McKitterick) They were
impossible to reproduce.
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They were made of plastic bags
or masking tape.
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They were show clothes.
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(Andrew) Lee started doing bumsters.
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These were cut so low that you could see
the model's pubic hair.
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(McQueen) It’s nothing to do
with pubic hair.
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It's just a technical thing where,
as a tailor,
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you're breaking up the proportion
of the body
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by lowering the trousers,
elongating the torso.
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00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,356
It's nothing to do with bum cleavage.
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It's an added bonus
if you've got a nice bum.
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(Detmar) He told that mannequin,
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"Put your pubic hairs
in Anna I/Ifintour's face. "
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00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,621
It's just funny, naughty behaviour.
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00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,450
You could give Alexander £500
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00:24:22,711 --> 00:24:24,702
and he could produce
30 pieces of clothing.
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00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,247
(Andrew) He saw some cling film and said
"I'm gonna make a dress out of that. "
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"I'm going to put the model in it,
wrap her up. "
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00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:32,881
And he just cut this dress,
put a zip in it
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00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:34,594
and suddenly that went down the runway.
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00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,057
(Mira) Getting a tyre
and running it over the suit.
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00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,184
Things like that. Just genius.
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(Andrew) £4 worth of lace.
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Invisible zip, £1.
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Sprayed with car spray paint.
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They probably cost less than £10,
those dresses, to make.
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But, through that weird alchemy
of being cut and made by Lee,
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suddenly they’re being requested.
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00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:59,778
Avedon wanted to have
this dress for Sharon Stone.
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00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,830
So it has to be in America now.
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00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:04,868
"We need someone to fly over
with the dress on Concorde."
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00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:08,337
That still upsets me to this day.
I didn't get to go on Concorde.
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(Both laughing)
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It was me.
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00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:14,505
(Andrew) That’s almost the period
where I think,
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the madness really kicked in.
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(McQueen) The show was brilliant
but I'll wake up tomorrow and think,
425
00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:23,102
"I've got to get a bottle of milk.
Where am I going to get 42p from?"
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00:25:23,439 --> 00:25:24,895
(Andrew) We went to a McDonald’s.
427
00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:27,473
We got two cheeseburgers,
two fries, two Cokes.
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00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:30,021
And l was that tired
that I just dropped the tray
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00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:32,603
and then we had to pick
the food up off the floor.
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00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,280
And I thought,
"This is a weird world,
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00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:37,946
"that you've just shown the finale
of London Fashion Week
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00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:39,693
"but we haven't got five quid to eat."
433
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:42,037
That's how it is.
People have got to understand that.
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00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,199
You're doing fucking fab shows
but you've got to start living.
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00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,493
(Andrew) The Clothes Show,
you know, BBC One.
436
00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,496
At the time 12 million viewers.
You're 22 years old.
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00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,460
You're not in any of the shots
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00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:56,173
and you're dictating the terms
on how you're going to appear.
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00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,878
(McQueen) Because I was doing the shows
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on money that I got
from unemployment benefit,
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I could not afford
to show my face on camera
442
00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:06,266
because I would be arrested
for working as well as signing on.
443
00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:08,184
-Did it piss you off?
-(Woman) No.
444
00:26:08,442 --> 00:26:10,103
It should have done.
That was the idea.
445
00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:17,448
this juxtaposition between a hooligan
and someone that uses a needle.
446
00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,032
And people couldn't fathom it.
447
00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,610
So it was new.
It was a breath of fresh air.
448
00:26:22,206 --> 00:26:25,073
Savile Row, Cockney geezer,
ding dong, all of that.
449
00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:27,408
He was aware
how seductive that was.
450
00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:29,914
I get a bit annoyed
when I read that.
451
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,046
He was far from a bad boy.
452
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:37,506
In fact, he was a very loving,
happy child
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00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,385
and very generous.
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00:26:43,185 --> 00:26:46,518
(Andrew) I just remember this one time
when I went round his house.
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00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:49,938
I think I said something was shit
or something in front of his mum.
456
00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:51,890
He turned round,
glared at me and said,
457
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,897
"Don’t you fucking swear
in front of my fucking mother."
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00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:57,942
(Joyce) We were never
what people called poor.
459
00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:00,570
My husband was a London taxi driver.
460
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,742
Even though there was six children,
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00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,495
they all had everything
that they should have had.
462
00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:08,123
I don't know, itjust seems...
463
00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:12,661
Like, honest,
an honest place round here.
464
00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:15,790
You know where you stand,
if you know what I mean.
465
00:27:15,926 --> 00:27:18,713
If someone's going to mug you,
they tell you before they do it.
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00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:20,336
(Laughing) I'm onlyjoking.
467
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,389
(Gary) From our granddads,
he got the sense of humour,
468
00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:26,349
which was, at times, wicked.
469
00:27:30,065 --> 00:27:31,305
(Laughing)
470
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,270
(Alice) I think that he struggled
coming out of that background
471
00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:35,893
and going into the world.
472
00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,979
I made the choice
to come out to my father.
473
00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:39,776
l'd told all my brothers
and sisters and aunts,
474
00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,240
but my father was a London taxi driver.
475
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:43,908
He would come home at night and say,
476
00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,658
"God, I nearly run over
a bloody queer last night in Soho."
477
00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:48,034
I'd have to deal with this.
478
00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:52,080
My dad could be a bit cutting sometimes,
but he was joking.
479
00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:56,497
And if you didn't know him,
you'd probably take that the wrong way.
480
00:27:57,342 --> 00:28:00,675
(Mira) Lee's father was saying,
"Sell your clothes in Brick Lane, "
481
00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:03,587
never quite understanding
what Lee was doing.
482
00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:07,091
(McQueen) My dad wanted me to be
some sort of mechanic or something,
483
00:28:07,311 --> 00:28:09,677
but... It never worked out that way.
484
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:14,606
(Gary) From our nan
he got that storytelling,
485
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,317
that dark romance
of the Victorian times.
486
00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:21,154
I think that really lent itself
to his visions
487
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,490
of the stories
that he wanted to tell.
488
00:28:24,411 --> 00:28:25,742
(McQueen) It's all right, Mother.
489
00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:32,325
(McQueen) Oh, Mother, come here.
(Joyce) No, I'm too ugly.
490
00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:34,622
(McQueen speaking)
491
00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:40,040
(Andrew) She was very strong
and powerful
492
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,592
and quite a lot was unsaid,
493
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,009
but, my God, you realised there was
a really strong bond between them.
494
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,932
(Alice) She made him feel
like he could do anything.
495
00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:53,387
I always encouraged them to read
496
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,397
and have lots of books
497
00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:59,185
because I myself loved history
and things like that.
498
00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:03,193
That's one about a Highland clan.
499
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:06,900
(Alice) She was looking into
the genealogy of the McQueen family
500
00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,320
and aimed at proving
501
00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,699
that the McQueens came
from McQueens of the Isle of Skye.
502
00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:14,916
(Gary) It opened up his world.
503
00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:18,708
He was born in Stratford, but he knew
there was this other life for him
504
00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:20,664
which came from Scotland.
505
00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,749
(Alice) She encouraged
the sort of fantasy
506
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,961
and excitement of those stories
507
00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:26,382
and Lee went with it.
508
00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:32,096
(McQueen) You have two types of Scotland
people will associate themselves with,
509
00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,059
My ancestry
is the Jacobites of Scotland.
510
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,486
The war of the English and the Scottish
511
00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:47,449
where the English raped loads of women,
killed clans completely off.
512
00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:50,493
It's like a form of genocide.
It was then.
513
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,195
And people don 't realise this.
514
00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,203
I mean, take Bosnia.
How many dead people have you seen?
515
00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:57,242
There's millions of dead people
in Bosnia.
516
00:29:57,337 --> 00:29:58,668
It's just genocide in the end.
517
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,797
People have got to realise that
it still goes on in the world today.
518
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:13,971
(Ruti) There was something difierent
about him.
519
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:19,812
He had this artistic energy in him
rather than like a fashion designer.
520
00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:25,020
I rang his mother and said,
"I want to work for your son."
521
00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:30,526
She gave me the address
and I went one morning
522
00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:33,745
and ever since,
we were working every day
523
00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,163
on the Highland Rape collection,
524
00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:38,579
trying to get the pieces ready.
525
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:40,619
(Mira) There were times
526
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:44,206
when he hadn't yet started working
on the collection and it was due soon
527
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,459
and he would do one drawing
after another,
528
00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,802
afier another, after another,
after another
529
00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:50,720
and there was a collection
in one evening.
530
00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:53,260
Very quick, very fluid.
531
00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:56,180
(Ruti) He was also very creative
at night.
532
00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:58,850
His adrenaline was much more alive
533
00:30:59,107 --> 00:31:01,473
and we usually used to put music.
534
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:05,986
(Mira) He would listen to the piano
and it became very important.
535
00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:09,898
The composer Michael Nyman
became part of his team.
536
00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:13,865
I was just enjoying myself
to watch him
537
00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:16,288
because he was sitting
like an old lady,
538
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,207
his needle and his thimble.
539
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,576
You can feel like he's...
540
00:31:21,922 --> 00:31:24,504
It's kind of a therapeutic work for him.
541
00:31:25,801 --> 00:31:27,462
(Alice) He went into a sort of zone.
542
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:29,584
I always used to say
his eyes went black
543
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,129
because he suddenly was focusing
on what he was doing
544
00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:34,844
and he almost couldn’t hear
anybody else.
545
00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:38,310
(Andrew) He could draft a jacket,
free-hand,
546
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,098
just with a piece of chalk,
so he wasn't using measurements.
547
00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:45,150
He could just, from his eye,
read someone's body measurements
548
00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:48,065
and then be able to draw that out
onto a bit of cloth.
549
00:31:48,782 --> 00:31:50,522
At heart, Lee was a romantic,
550
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,904
and that romantic is because
of that physical relationship
551
00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:55,531
to what you produce,
552
00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:58,497
which then comes back
to that idea of craft in a way.
553
00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:05,621
(Gary) The family always got
invites to the shows.
554
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,630
It was very important
that my nan was there.
555
00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:09,959
He really wanted to make my nan proud.
556
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:15,013
(Janet) Aunt Renee and Mum made sure
that the models had some sandwiches.
557
00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:17,762
Mum would have probably done
her sausage rolls.
558
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:22,179
We were all, as a group
of young, really cool, English models,
559
00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:26,726
so excited to see this man
that had this reputation.
560
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,812
(Janet) I was just amazed.
All these people, photographers...
561
00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:35,655
And I thought, "My God,
they're all here to see Lee.
562
00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:37,652
"I hope they’re not disappointed. "
563
00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:39,662
Because I thought,
564
00:32:39,833 --> 00:32:41,698
"This is just Lee from Stratford."
565
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:44,160
(Fast-paced instrumental music)
566
00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:57,673
The darkness,
567
00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,806
the going to the depths
and the recesses of one's mind
568
00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:05,472
to come up with such things
like Highland Rape.
569
00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:09,818
"I'm going to send down loads of girls
who look like they've just been raped. "
570
00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,903
And then we were all looking
like we'd come out of a hedge backwards
571
00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:17,109
and I was going,
"Is this the hair and make-up?"
572
00:33:21,291 --> 00:33:23,623
(Andrew) They’re not easy garments
to look at.
573
00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:26,835
They do look like something
from a crime scene.
574
00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:39,465
(Kidd) I honestly just thought
that he really just didn't like women,
575
00:33:39,768 --> 00:33:42,350
he didn’t like the models,
he didn't like anything,
576
00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:44,386
he was just trying to torture us all.
577
00:33:44,648 --> 00:33:46,434
But his vision,
578
00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:48,352
when you actually came down,
579
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:49,978
and the silhouette
580
00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:53,278
and the way he made you look
was so extraordinary.
581
00:33:54,491 --> 00:33:57,574
I don 't think I really understood,
because I was 15 at the time,
582
00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:01,032
exactly what was going on
or the connotations of it.
583
00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:05,331
It wasn't until probably the next day
that I read the newspapers.
584
00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,285
And, you know,
there was quite a backlash
585
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,790
of the statement of the show.
586
00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:16,969
But he made every single headline
and that's what he wanted to do.
587
00:34:17,514 --> 00:34:19,345
And he sure got it.
588
00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:21,764
(Reporter) Judith Church,
MP for Dagenham,
589
00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:24,096
thought there was no excuse
for such a show.
590
00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:27,144
(Church) The very title of the show,
Highland Rape,
591
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:30,186
has been done to shock people.
It's been done to attract publicity.
592
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,817
It has succeeded
and that, in a way, is sad,
593
00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:34,853
because I think women want
to look at fashion,
594
00:34:34,948 --> 00:34:36,279
but they don ’t want to see it
595
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,899
in some way
as portraying them as a victim.
596
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,612
(McQueen) I'm not a misogynist.
The idea was saying to the public,
597
00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,332
"A man takes from a woman.
The woman's not giving it."
598
00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:48,708
That's what rape is.
599
00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:51,670
My oldest sister was badly beaten up
by her husband.
600
00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:55,170
When you're eight years old and you see
your sister strangled by her husband,
601
00:34:55,468 --> 00:34:57,004
who's now dead, thank God,
602
00:35:01,683 --> 00:35:04,425
(Andrew) You might not like the honesty
he was presenting you with,
603
00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:07,223
you might find it distasteful,
shocking or aggressive
604
00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:11,227
or misogynistic,
but for him it was his truth.
605
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,229
Those garments all tell you about Lee
606
00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,190
and they’re almost like confessional.
607
00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:19,565
They do relate to things
that happened in his childhood.
608
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:24,577
We were just in our flat. It was
literally in the middle of the evening.
609
00:35:24,664 --> 00:35:26,996
And he said,
"Oh, by the way, I was abused
610
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,582
"when I was a child
by my brother-in-Iaw. "
611
00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:33,332
It just came out
and he started crying
612
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:35,751
and then we started talking
613
00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:38,758
and then, almost as soon
as he started telling me all that,
614
00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:41,503
he said, "Anyway, I don 't want
to talk about that any more. "
615
00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:44,430
(Gary) The stufi that he saw,
I mean, the violence against my mum,
616
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:48,852
the abuse he suffered by my dad
and the abuse my mum suffered by Dad...
617
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,480
They had that affinity together.
They shared that, Lee and my mum.
618
00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:56,310
They were both affected
by the same person.
619
00:35:57,739 --> 00:36:01,152
And they had that connection
through that, you know.
620
00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:04,531
And Lee saw my mum
very much like a mother figure
621
00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:08,868
and somebody
that he wanted to protect,
622
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,328
but my mum wanted to protect him
as well.
623
00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:16,789
I had quite a big burden
on my shoulders.
624
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:18,965
Erm...
625
00:36:20,637 --> 00:36:23,549
But I'd always felt close to Lee
626
00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:25,134
and...
627
00:36:27,227 --> 00:36:32,972
In the early years, Lee had seen
things like domestic violence and,
628
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,320
at the time, it must have also had
an effect on his mind.
629
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,360
(Gary) And that stuff he had to get out,
630
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:45,483
I think it was a way
of exorcising his demons,
631
00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:50,122
a way of protecting women and himself
by creating these strong women
632
00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,203
who looked like they had armour on.
633
00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,459
It was armour for his heart as well,
you know, so...
634
00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:58,705
(Andrew) The relationship
between me and Lee,
635
00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,714
I joke that it was four seasons long,
636
00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:04,385
purely because I think those collections
and those shows became markers
637
00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:10,092
in terms of how our work life
was also tied up with our relationship.
638
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,805
And, looking back on it now,
639
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,845
I can see the reasons
why it would be...
640
00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:15,813
How could a relationship work
641
00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:19,647
with all the things
that were going on in his life,
642
00:37:19,863 --> 00:37:21,854
all the things in his past?
643
00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:25,778
I can ’t think of any relationship
that would be able to deal with that.
644
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:29,993
(Short bursts
of fast instrumental music)
645
00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:37,164
(Tape plays)
646
00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,041
(McQueen speaking)
647
00:37:51,728 --> 00:37:55,687
When you went to St Martins,
in the first year you'd go to Paris
648
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:59,307
and the idea is that you're meant
to go to exhibitions.
649
00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,525
But we would just spend all of our time
650
00:38:01,738 --> 00:38:04,195
wangling our way
into the various shows.
651
00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,022
So we went to this show and it was...
652
00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:09,734
It was all very floral
and there was chiffon and Lee was going,
653
00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:12,195
”Well, that's rubbish.
That's rubbish. Oh, my God.
654
00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:14,823
"This is just the worst show ever.
Bloody hell.
655
00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:16,954
"Givenchy, that's a load of crap!
656
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,785
"That's for, like, old ladies.
657
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:22,839
"I never, ever want to work
somewhere like that."
658
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,047
(Speaking in French)
659
00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:37,266
It was a really exciting time
to be covering the industry
660
00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,438
because it was changing,
it was evolving.
661
00:38:39,651 --> 00:38:42,859
People like Bernard Arnault
were buying up small family brands
662
00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:45,479
and then turning them
into global corporations.
663
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,773
And first he brought in John Galliano
664
00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:50,321
and, after two years,
moved John over to Dior
665
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:52,865
and then needed another
new, young, hot flavour
666
00:38:53,122 --> 00:38:54,612
for Givenchy.
667
00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:56,743
(Presenter) And so he said...
Why did he want you?
668
00:38:56,918 --> 00:39:00,035
He said when I was hired
that l was his horse.
669
00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:03,129
I don't know if that's in looks
or what, but...
670
00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:04,293
(Presenter laughs)
671
00:39:04,509 --> 00:39:06,716
But he said I was his horse
he betted on.
672
00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:10,428
I was living with Lee
when Givenchy called
673
00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:14,099
and he thought that they wanted him
to design a handbag.
674
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:15,933
And I'm like "Wow. Wow!"
675
00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:18,394
"Cool man!" You know?
676
00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:21,147
Next thing I know
677
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,021
he comes in
and he basically says
678
00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:27,232
they've asked him to be
creative director of Givenchy.
679
00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:30,023
And I was like, "You are kidding me!"
680
00:39:30,285 --> 00:39:34,119
He called me at work and then he said,
"They've offered me this job.
681
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,446
"lfl move to Paris,
will you come with me?"
682
00:39:36,541 --> 00:39:37,951
I was like, "Yeah, of course."
683
00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:42,210
It was sort of exciting
and also quite scary as well
684
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:45,247
because it was still that honeymoon
period of our relationship.
685
00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:49,426
(Presenter) Why did you go to Givenchy,
having already created your own name,
686
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:52,845
having won British Designer of the Year
twice in a row?
687
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:55,305
(McQueen) For one reason,
the money was good.
688
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,010
But what do I do
with the money from Givenchy?
689
00:39:58,313 --> 00:40:01,521
I put it straight back into McQueen.
It helps me employ people for McQueen
690
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,098
to build my own company up.
691
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:07,193
(Mira) Very talented people
that he brought with him to Givenchy.
692
00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:08,357
What a team!
693
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,523
(Sebastian) He told me,
"I will need a team to work with me
694
00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:13,991
"so I was thinking of you.
695
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:17,196
"So, think about it
and let me know."
696
00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:19,989
There's nothing to think about.
Of course, I'll take the job.
697
00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:24,703
We took an aeroplane
from City Airport.
698
00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:29,416
We were the weirdest people
in the plane. It was all businessmen.
699
00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,218
And we were there
with our bleached jeans,
700
00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,467
with a lot of attitude.
701
00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:37,299
(McQueen) Where did you find this?
In Japan.
702
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,925
(lndistinct conversation)
703
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:41,015
(McQueen) Really?
(Man) Yeah.
704
00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:43,472
(McQueen mumbling in French)
705
00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:46,523
-(Man) Oh, oh!
-(McQueen speaks French)
706
00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:48,689
(Whooping)
707
00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,695
(Murray) There was huge excitement.
Cos imagine being that age
708
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:54,441
and you're being given
that amount of, one, responsibility
709
00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:56,200
and also that amount of money.
710
00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:58,785
(McQueen) Statue!
711
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,698
(Murray) There’s Sebastian Pons.
712
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,541
(McQueen) Hello, Sebastian!
713
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:05,751
-Sweaty armpits.
-Come on!
714
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:07,249
God, you've got wet patches.
715
00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,957
I think that in the McQueen studio
I was a little bit like the bouffant
716
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:12,542
because I was
the funny one there.
717
00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:14,923
They were taking the piss
out of my accent.
718
00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:17,721
A Spanish boufiant in a British court.
719
00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:20,467
(Murray) Simon Costin.
720
00:41:20,687 --> 00:41:22,678
(McQueen) God, you're looking
fairly gross today.
721
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:27,353
I saw myself as the person
that put things into context.
722
00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:29,893
The set was always there to reflect
723
00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:33,313
the sort of untold story
of the collection.
724
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,657
There was Katy, of course,
Katy England.
725
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,444
(McQueen) Katy's the most important part
of McQueen.
726
00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:41,863
Camera up, please.
727
00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:44,199
(McQueen) She's the Tweed/edee
to my Tweed/edum.
728
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,325
She fuels my imagination.
729
00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:49,287
I help research the collection.
730
00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:53,667
I, erm, bring things to his attention
731
00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,086
that I think might be
important in fashion.
732
00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,256
Basically, I’m always there
at the right-hand side.
733
00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:02,850
Shaun Leane was very much involved
in the business, making jewellery.
734
00:42:03,312 --> 00:42:04,427
What do you think, eh?
735
00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:06,224
Fancy a dance?
736
00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:09,064
(Leane) For me to do work like this
is very good for me.
737
00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:11,354
It allows me to go
from one extreme to the other.
738
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,771
And now I'm going into different areas.
I'm working with bodyjewellery
739
00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:18,108
and it's really going
into a form of sculpture.
740
00:42:19,078 --> 00:42:20,409
(Murray) Sarah Burton.
741
00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:22,157
Sarah was the intern.
742
00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,946
(Sebastian) He looked at us
743
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:26,165
like the sort of pillars
744
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,785
that would make him feel secure.
745
00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,496
(Murray) We had this really nice flat.
746
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,717
I loved the area. I mean...
Place des Vosges. I mean, hello?
747
00:42:42,477 --> 00:42:44,308
(McQueen) Oh, God, that's pretty scary.
748
00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:47,394
(Simon) Thinking about it now,
it was tiny.
749
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,147
When I would come over
to start working on the set,
750
00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:51,766
I'd be on the sofa.
751
00:42:52,487 --> 00:42:55,069
(lndistinct background chatter)
752
00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,188
(McQueen) Ooh, ooh!
753
00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,653
(McQueen) Sebastian!
754
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:01,659
(Squeals) Oh, language!
755
00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:03,324
(McQueen laughs)
756
00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:06,160
I always ended up
sleeping in Lee's room
757
00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:09,618
because Lee was always
collapsing on the sofa.
758
00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:10,956
(Sebastian) Lee!
759
00:43:12,632 --> 00:43:15,123
-You changed the pillows.
-(McQueen) Yeah, fucking right.
760
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:17,546
(McQueen laughs)
761
00:43:18,221 --> 00:43:20,712
We had a driver
so we got driven everywhere.
762
00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,839
(McQueen) Oh, wait a minute,
he's gone blurry.
763
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,469
That's better.
764
00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,100
Say hello to the people
of England.
765
00:43:26,187 --> 00:43:28,143
(All laugh)
766
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:29,933
(Murray) Such fun.
767
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,436
(McQueen) We can do
some funny tricks.
768
00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:36,519
Hello, I'm on speed, baby.
769
00:43:37,073 --> 00:43:39,234
(All laugh)
770
00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:42,446
(Sebastian)
When we arrived at Givenchy,
771
00:43:42,787 --> 00:43:44,527
everybody was kind of like
772
00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:47,489
bending their head to him
773
00:43:47,917 --> 00:43:49,908
and calling him
Monsieur McQueen,
774
00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:53,957
which was like, "They're calling you
Monsieur McQueen? Here?"
775
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,504
(McQueen) Cath! Woo-ooh!
776
00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:01,127
(McQueen laughs)
777
00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:03,463
(Sebastian) When we arrived
I think they were in shock.
778
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,090
The way we dress,
the way we work
779
00:44:06,269 --> 00:44:08,601
and the jokes we made.
780
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,520
(Simon) Obviously it was very grand,
with chandeliers,
781
00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:14,565
so it was very different
from the working environment in London
782
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:18,061
which was a very, very small room,
chaotic, with stuff everywhere.
783
00:44:18,489 --> 00:44:20,275
(McQueen) Here I have my own office.
784
00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:22,940
I pick up the phone
and I get what I want.
785
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,822
(Laughs) Cos I want it,
I want it, I want it!
786
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:27,404
So I ask for it.
787
00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:31,165
(Murray) We was just like a bunch
of young kids running about in Givenchy.
788
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,372
(Presenter) Were they surprised
you were chosen?
789
00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:38,923
Well, I think that it put most people
in a coma when I got chosen!
790
00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,051
(Sebastian) All of a sudden,
we're there,
791
00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:46,055
sitting in Hubert de Givenchy's house,
792
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:49,927
looking out the window
and you see the Balenciaga sign
793
00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:52,053
and you knew
that Yves Saint Laurent was there
794
00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:54,563
and knowing that John Galliano was there
795
00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:57,316
at Avenue Montaigne,
just a few yards from there.
796
00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,269
And there we are
with Alexander McQueen,
797
00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:02,647
being the new talk of the town.
798
00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:05,153
And I felt special.
799
00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,360
(Murray) He was trying
to find his feet there.
800
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:10,450
He obviously had to make
a huge impression
801
00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:12,490
because it was his first collection.
802
00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:15,117
(Sebastian) I remember telling Lee,
803
00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:17,499
"Everybody's looking at us
and we have nothing. "
804
00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:19,080
And he always would answer,
805
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,006
"Don’t worry, Sebastian,
we 'II get it done. "
806
00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:22,379
(Tape plays)
807
00:45:23,012 --> 00:45:24,627
(McQueen speaking)
808
00:45:37,151 --> 00:45:40,985
(McQueen) This is Paris and Paris chic.
This is Givenchy, this is not McQueen.
809
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,898
This is where elegant suits are made
and fantastic fabrics are used.
810
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,866
I mean, it's going to take
my own label, McQueen,
811
00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:50,619
another 40 years
to get the reputation this one has.
812
00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:54,449
(Sebastian) I remember once
we saw this beautiful work.
813
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:58,669
Lee asked Catherine DeLondres,
who was in charge of the atelier,
814
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:01,206
"Who's done this fabulous work?"
815
00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:03,290
"She's not allowed to come in."
816
00:46:03,511 --> 00:46:05,627
He's like, "What do you mean,
she's not allowed in?
817
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:06,798
"Please let her in."
818
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:11,679
I remember from that day on
Lee wanted to see the person
819
00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:14,681
who has worked directly
with the garment.
820
00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:17,934
And I think they loved that.
821
00:46:18,401 --> 00:46:20,232
(McQueen) This is the Bet Lynch dress.
822
00:46:21,821 --> 00:46:24,938
And we also treated it,
bonding plastic over the top
823
00:46:25,866 --> 00:46:29,074
for raincoats
so you get the whole ensemble.
824
00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:30,993
None of us spoke French
825
00:46:31,122 --> 00:46:34,205
and the French atelier
didn't speak English.
826
00:46:34,542 --> 00:46:37,750
Lee would actually draw in the air
how it would have to be.
827
00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:41,709
-(Catherine in French)
-(McQueen) Yeah. Yeah, it's OK.
828
00:46:41,924 --> 00:46:43,960
(Catherine and McQueen speak French)
829
00:46:44,385 --> 00:46:47,343
(McQueen) Oh, it's OK.
I thought it was just pantalon.
830
00:46:49,098 --> 00:46:50,759
(Catherine speaking French)
831
00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:08,773
(Catherine laughs)
832
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:13,657
They're quite precise and like...
They, like, take the threads out and...
833
00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:16,080
| just get the scissors
and go, "Whack it ofi!"
834
00:47:16,584 --> 00:47:18,415
And they go... (Muted scream)
Like that.
835
00:47:19,962 --> 00:47:21,702
And I go, "It's OK, it's only clothes."
836
00:47:22,006 --> 00:47:24,418
(Mira) I I! never forget
the expression on her face.
837
00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,625
But in the end she saw
exactly what he was doing.
838
00:47:27,762 --> 00:47:28,797
She was in awe.
839
00:47:28,971 --> 00:47:33,010
A very mutual, you know, respect
grew between the two of them.
840
00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:36,388
(McQueen) Haute couture is about
the atelier. I come from Savile Row.
841
00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,643
So I have great respect for the tailors.
842
00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:41,143
They deserve just as much praise
as I do.
843
00:47:42,485 --> 00:47:45,272
(Sebastian) Lee, one day he said,
"Where can we go and eat?
844
00:47:45,488 --> 00:47:47,103
"Where do the workers eat?"
845
00:47:47,323 --> 00:47:49,530
And then Catherine said,
"There is a canteen
846
00:47:49,825 --> 00:47:51,690
"in the basement for the workers. "
847
00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:53,692
And Lee was like, "So let’s go there. "
848
00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:57,580
When we went down there,
the people, they're flipping out.
849
00:47:57,792 --> 00:47:59,908
"Alexander is eating with us!"
850
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:02,292
They couldn’t believe it.
851
00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:06,664
These fashion houses, they treat
the designer like he's a king.
852
00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,045
And they treated Lee
like a king,
853
00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:11,214
but Lee didn't want
to behave like a king,
854
00:48:11,305 --> 00:48:13,671
Lee wanted to behave
like a regular person.
855
00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,351
(McQueen) OK.
856
00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:21,145
The ideas for the show,
857
00:48:21,482 --> 00:48:24,098
they grew out of the collection
as the collection developed.
858
00:48:24,652 --> 00:48:27,314
He would pull threads
and stories out of that.
859
00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:31,155
And there was always mood boards
and things pinned all over the walls.
860
00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:34,032
Everyone fed in.
It was a very group practice.
861
00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:36,948
But Lee was the spider
in the centre of the web, as it were,
862
00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:39,447
pulling everything together
and distilling
863
00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:41,498
what it was that he had in his head.
864
00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,289
I remember the fraughtness
about a week before the show
865
00:48:44,672 --> 00:48:48,039
with things coming down and not right
and things having to be changed.
866
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,507
It was really insanely crazy.
867
00:48:50,636 --> 00:48:52,342
The pressure was super intense.
868
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,531
(Sebastian) In 25 days
to put a 55-0th collection together
869
00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,316
is not an easy task.
870
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:22,289
(Simon) The first couture show
had the theme of the Golden Fleece,
871
00:49:22,501 --> 00:49:23,741
Jason and the Argonauts.
872
00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:27,002
(Murray) They wanted it to be amazing.
873
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:31,715
My first feeling
from Alex's description was,
874
00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:35,006
they had to be warriors
875
00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:37,383
mixed with goddesses.
876
00:49:37,683 --> 00:49:40,345
I said, "We do horns?"
He said, "Yeah, but do big. "
877
00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:43,477
I said, "But how big?"
He said, "You know Genghis Khan?
878
00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:45,137
"He's the junior size.
879
00:49:45,357 --> 00:49:46,392
"Give me the senior."
880
00:49:46,692 --> 00:49:49,434
It's the 19th of January 1997
881
00:49:49,778 --> 00:49:53,270
and, as they say in the trade,
we're about to witness a fashion moment.
882
00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,363
At the tender age of 27,
883
00:49:55,451 --> 00:49:57,988
British Designer of the Year
Alexander McQueen
884
00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:01,321
is about to show
his first haute couture collection.
885
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:03,280
(Dramatic orchestral music)
886
00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,886
(Nicolas) Every model had
to have a character,
887
00:50:18,098 --> 00:50:20,430
an identify, a signature.
888
00:50:20,976 --> 00:50:23,934
Every single girl could have been
a show on her own.
889
00:50:25,314 --> 00:50:28,351
(Sebastian) Where did the inspiration
come from? He told me, "From the logo. "
890
00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:33,319
The logo is the Gs,
which looks like a Greek motif,
891
00:50:33,948 --> 00:50:36,485
and the Givenchy label
is white and gold.
892
00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:41,444
(Kidd) Always with Lee’s collections,
there were some pieces where you'd go,
893
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:44,242
"God, that’s rather risqué. "
894
00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:48,246
I think a lot of the press
focused on the ones
895
00:50:48,462 --> 00:50:52,421
that were a little bit more crazy
or a little bit, you know, unwearable.
896
00:50:53,551 --> 00:50:55,712
French designers
were complaining and saying,
897
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:59,633
"Oh, they're not even French
and they're taking over Givenchy.
898
00:50:59,807 --> 00:51:01,547
"Look what he’s doing to Givenchy. "
899
00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:03,556
I think it was them saying,
900
00:51:04,144 --> 00:51:05,725
”I'm still gonna be who I am,
901
00:51:05,813 --> 00:51:07,849
"regardless that you put me
in this posh space.
902
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:09,680
”I'm still who I am. "
903
00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:12,683
I liked that, that they stayed true
to who they were.
904
00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:16,941
They actually brought England into Paris
in their own unique way.
905
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:18,780
(Applause)
906
00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:22,318
(Nicolas) People were talking,
fashion editors.
907
00:51:22,538 --> 00:51:24,870
"He has a big mouth.
He has a big head.
908
00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:26,993
"Oh, the British!
What does he think?"
909
00:51:27,376 --> 00:51:31,790
And then I understood that basically
the world was against him.
910
00:51:32,381 --> 00:51:33,996
(Presenter) And you do your first show.
911
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,254
(Presenter) It's not a huge success.
(McQueen) No, that’s true.
912
00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:39,593
(Presenter laughs)
-Well done.
913
00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:43,548
They were wishing
to see him crash and be destroyed.
914
00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:45,807
They have claws and knives
915
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:47,601
and they're throwing everything
into your back,
916
00:51:47,688 --> 00:51:49,428
which is fine cos I'm a good fighter!
917
00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:50,683
(Both laugh)
918
00:51:51,275 --> 00:51:53,186
I remember us aftenrvards.
919
00:51:53,402 --> 00:51:54,687
You know, Lee was...
920
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,066
Oh, hellish, yeah.
921
00:51:58,324 --> 00:52:01,532
That was a really horrid night.
It was a difficult night after that.
922
00:52:02,828 --> 00:52:05,285
A few punches and arguments.
923
00:52:11,629 --> 00:52:13,620
(Blow) I think he’s done a lot
with the house,
924
00:52:13,756 --> 00:52:15,747
because Givenchy
have had a lot of press.
925
00:52:15,924 --> 00:52:19,792
It’s a more difficult thing to deal with
cos McQueen is McQueen in London.
926
00:52:20,054 --> 00:52:23,888
Givenchy is taking over
from another man in Paris.
927
00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:27,221
As Alexander says, "It's like taking
a dinosaur out of the sea. "
928
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,477
And I think in one season
he's done that.
929
00:52:30,856 --> 00:52:34,690
So I think in a year
he will have done 20 times that.
930
00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:37,559
(Detmar) Givenchy changed everything.
931
00:52:37,946 --> 00:52:39,402
The fun times were over.
932
00:52:39,865 --> 00:52:41,571
I had an accountant who spoke French.
933
00:52:41,784 --> 00:52:43,649
They were going to Paris
to sign the deal.
934
00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:46,906
And I said, "Please, make sure
lssie gets something out of it."
935
00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:48,532
And then I kind of did ask McQueen
936
00:52:48,707 --> 00:52:50,743
and he said,
"lssie and I are not about money. "
937
00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,581
When the money did come
and Alexander cut her out...
938
00:52:55,339 --> 00:52:56,499
That was very tough.
939
00:52:57,007 --> 00:52:59,794
Their friendship changed.
She was so hurt at this rejection.
940
00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:03,298
She’d have created a buzz.
She'd have had a salon at Givenchy.
941
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:06,346
She'd have made it
the most happening place in Paris.
942
00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:14,852
(Murray) I do remember going to Hilles
straight afier the takeover at Givenchy.
943
00:53:16,652 --> 00:53:21,191
You cannot imagine the tension
between the two of them in this room.
944
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,782
These designers think
that you made me.
945
00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:28,319
-And it's never been about that.
-No, they don't.
946
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,696
-I know that that's...
-But they do!
947
00:53:30,791 --> 00:53:34,659
You see it all the time in the press!
They say, "Oh, Isabella Blow,
948
00:53:34,837 --> 00:53:37,579
"responsible for Philip Treacy
and Alexander McQueen."
949
00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:39,997
-(Blow) No, they say...
-They do just say that!
950
00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:43,418
(McQueen) But it's never been
about that for me and you.
951
00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:45,010
Whether I was part of it?
952
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:46,886
Does that annoy you
that they put a strap on it?
953
00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:49,556
"As discovered by Isabella Blow."
Does it piss you ofi?
954
00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,685
No, not at all, because lssie
has helped me a lot in that way,
955
00:53:52,855 --> 00:53:54,686
but not in the way that she's like...
956
00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:57,140
She does it
because she loves my clothes,
957
00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:58,519
not because she loves me.
958
00:53:58,694 --> 00:54:01,060
Exactly. That's the point.
959
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,020
Because I can't stand her guts!
960
00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:06,148
I'm joking.
961
00:54:06,702 --> 00:54:10,365
(Murray) I do remember sitting there,
thinking to myself,
962
00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:14,248
"Please, lay off lssie
because she's done nothing but help you,
963
00:54:14,543 --> 00:54:17,285
"but you seem to be giving her
a really difficult time."
964
00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:19,161
(Detmar) lssie kingmaker.
965
00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:22,256
This is the man she championed
and then he resented that
966
00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:23,715
and wanted to be his own man
967
00:54:24,011 --> 00:54:26,878
so there was no position
for Isabella Blow at Givenchy.
968
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:28,966
Punishment.
969
00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:32,387
And I remember
McQueen turned to me and said,
970
00:54:32,478 --> 00:54:34,309
"I'm the tycoon now, Detmar. "
971
00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:36,599
And it wasn't meant affectionately.
972
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:39,682
We had a policy. Don 't show hurt,
don 't show weakness.
973
00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:42,522
Keep your head up,
keep proud, keep fighting.
974
00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:44,902
Something will turn up. It's got to.
975
00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:48,152
His star ascended
and hers didn't as much
976
00:54:48,368 --> 00:54:50,859
and, you know,
he slightly abandoned her.
977
00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:54,330
(Detmar) Then lssie suddenly got
this job at The Sunday Times
978
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,537
and McQueen said,
"You've been resurrected, lssie. "
979
00:54:57,711 --> 00:54:59,997
And I thought, "No thanks to you, mate."
980
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:06,251
(McQueen) I saw myself within the press
and in the public eye as the gazelle.
981
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,631
And the gazelle always got eaten.
982
00:55:09,473 --> 00:55:12,840
And that's how I see human life.
We can all be discarded quite easily.
983
00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:16,848
The fragility of a designer’s time
in the press.
984
00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:18,895
You're there, you're gone.
985
00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:20,267
(Laughs)
986
00:55:20,734 --> 00:55:21,940
It's a jungle out there.
987
00:55:22,945 --> 00:55:25,186
(Sebastian) I went to his London studio
988
00:55:25,447 --> 00:55:27,654
and he was talking
about a haute couture show.
989
00:55:28,033 --> 00:55:31,025
"I tried to please them
and then I fucked it up.
990
00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:32,739
"I'm gonna do my own thing.
991
00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:35,203
"It's gonna be very McQueen,
the next one.
992
00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:39,575
"Fuck you! Fuck you, all of you.
I'm gonna show you."
993
00:55:39,878 --> 00:55:43,291
(Simon) We went from this sort of...
The hallowed halls of Givenchy
994
00:55:43,841 --> 00:55:46,332
into the sort of rough,
gritty Borough Market,
995
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:48,922
people just sweeping
all the rotting fruit and veg up.
996
00:55:49,096 --> 00:55:51,587
(McQueen) It’s nice to show them
the rough part of London,
997
00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:54,598
make them a bit scared, look over
their shoulder once in a while.
998
00:55:54,768 --> 00:55:56,304
(Nicolas) It's nothing to do
with couture.
999
00:55:56,436 --> 00:55:57,801
Now you've got your own studio.
1000
00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:01,439
We're in another chapter,
in another world, in another McQueen.
1001
00:56:01,650 --> 00:56:04,312
All camera crews
go round the front gate.
1002
00:56:04,444 --> 00:56:06,105
(Simon) The London shows were always...
1003
00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:08,312
The audience,
the expectation, was so great.
1004
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:12,324
The shows in Paris
were far more formal and reserved.
1005
00:56:12,536 --> 00:56:14,618
People would scream
their heads off in London.
1006
00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:22,459
(Kidd) It was crazy, people literally
fighting to see the catwalk.
1007
00:56:23,714 --> 00:56:25,830
(Murray) Lee just running
from model to model
1008
00:56:26,008 --> 00:56:27,919
and screaming and shouting at everyone.
1009
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,835
(McQueen) Simon, we want to start
the show!
1010
00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,547
(Shaw) And just always moving,
always dressing, always stressing.
1011
00:56:35,017 --> 00:56:37,679
Stressing and dressing,
actually, together.
1012
00:56:38,145 --> 00:56:40,010
(Woman) Are we all standing by,
ready to go?
1013
00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:41,307
(McQueen) OK.
1014
00:56:41,481 --> 00:56:43,847
Where's Russell?
Is he out there? Is he getting ready?
1015
00:56:44,151 --> 00:56:45,311
(Woman) Yeah.
1016
00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,609
(Shaw) One of the models was late.
1017
00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:50,403
He said, ”Fuck her"
and he started the show.
1018
00:56:50,699 --> 00:56:53,361
(Kidd) He’d just go,
"Right, Jodes, just go for it. "
1019
00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:54,820
He used to psyche me up.
1020
00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:57,285
I used to literally get out
onto the catwalk and go...
1021
00:56:57,497 --> 00:56:58,657
(Roars)
1022
00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:07,670
(Simon) It was really the first time
1023
00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:11,675
the collection kind of seeped out
into everything,
1024
00:57:11,887 --> 00:57:15,971
from the energy that was in that space
to the effect it had on people.
1025
00:57:17,225 --> 00:57:20,683
A sort of angst, an anger and fear,
1026
00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,974
that was woven through that show.
1027
00:57:24,149 --> 00:57:25,639
(Sebastian) We were mind-blown
1028
00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:28,939
because they didn't look like models.
1029
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,317
They look like animals
with this big hair
1030
00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:34,439
and this animal make-up.
1031
00:57:34,826 --> 00:57:35,861
It was like...
1032
00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:38,068
It was intense.
1033
00:57:40,624 --> 00:57:42,489
(Simon) Some students
that weren't allowed in
1034
00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:46,247
stormed the barricades
and kicked over all these fire pots.
1035
00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:48,996
And then
the fire started.
1036
00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:51,464
(Simon) Cos there were a pile
of crashed cars
1037
00:57:51,843 --> 00:57:55,051
and I don't think
we'd emptied the cars of petrol.
1038
00:57:55,347 --> 00:57:57,053
(Kidd) The car's actually on fire.
1039
00:57:57,683 --> 00:58:00,641
There's a fricking car on fire
on the catwalk.
1040
00:58:00,936 --> 00:58:03,143
(Simon) And everyone thought
it was part of the show.
1041
00:58:03,522 --> 00:58:06,889
"Don't you...dare go out there
with fire extinguishers.
1042
00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:09,854
"Just keep sending them out.
Keep sending them out. "
1043
00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:15,155
(Shaw) Had that not been rectified,
that whole tent
1044
00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:19,823
and all the top fashion editors
and models would have been history.
1045
00:58:21,123 --> 00:58:27,084
(Kidd) That’s just back to typical,
wonderful, mad, brilliant Lee.
1046
00:58:28,422 --> 00:58:30,162
(Crowd applauding)
1047
00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:35,425
(Slow dramatic orchestral music)
1048
00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:41,381
(Tape plays)
1049
00:58:43,562 --> 00:58:45,018
(McQueen speaking)
1050
00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:55,980
(Reporter) Did you move out of London
and settle in Paris?
1051
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:59,567
I stay in both. I'm here for six months
and in London six months. All over.
1052
00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:03,703
My dog is in London and I'm missing him.
I'm missing my dog.
1053
00:59:03,874 --> 00:59:06,035
(Reporter laughs)
1054
00:59:06,168 --> 00:59:09,035
(Melancholic music)
1055
00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:15,336
(Mira) Travelling between the two cities
to do Givenchy and McQueen,
1056
00:59:15,469 --> 00:59:17,755
of course it would take its toll.
1057
00:59:18,972 --> 00:59:20,257
But he did it.
1058
00:59:20,515 --> 00:59:22,847
And he managed
to make the shows amazing.
1059
00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:29,680
(Simon) By that time
there was so much more pressure
1060
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,937
because he was also doing his own line
and then having to do
1061
00:59:33,153 --> 00:59:34,814
ready-to-wear and couture.
1062
00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,608
You could see the beginning
of the pressure that Lee was under.
1063
00:59:37,866 --> 00:59:41,279
(Sebastian) The favourite company
of LVMH was Dior.
1064
00:59:41,661 --> 00:59:45,995
Lee felt they were really
comparing him with Galliano.
1065
00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:48,953
And then he sort of found out
1066
00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:52,995
that John had
four times more budget than him
1067
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:55,922
to create his haute couture collection.
1068
00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:59,755
The house we loved
was the McQueen house.
1069
01:00:00,222 --> 01:00:02,929
Givenchy was like a stepbrother.
1070
01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:07,559
We knew that our time there
had an expiry date.
1071
01:00:09,231 --> 01:00:14,100
When we arrived at Paris
Lee's clothes tended to be very rigid
1072
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:16,355
and I think in Paris
1073
01:00:16,530 --> 01:00:19,272
he got to discover
the soft side of things.
1074
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:23,988
We took that
and we brought it to London.
1075
01:00:26,123 --> 01:00:29,536
For No. 13, I remember him very happy.
1076
01:00:29,668 --> 01:00:34,162
Lee had it very clear in his head
what he wanted to do.
1077
01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:36,879
We all Iefi the meeting thinking,
1078
01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:38,964
"Oh, my God,
he has it very clear this season. "
1079
01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:41,252
"He knows what colours,
he knows the shape... "
1080
01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:44,671
He himself was feeling at peace.
1081
01:00:47,352 --> 01:00:51,220
The first show I ever worked on
with Lee, he liked the idea of robots.
1082
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,396
(Sebastian) Lee kept going on about it,
1083
01:00:53,608 --> 01:00:55,519
"Oh, I 'm gonna have this robot,
this model. "
1084
01:00:55,861 --> 01:00:59,979
And we were like "Oh, no!
The robots again. Oh, my God."
1085
01:01:02,367 --> 01:01:03,982
We were just hoping
he was gonna forget the idea.
1086
01:01:04,286 --> 01:01:07,870
But then, the night before the show,
the robot did turn up
1087
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,781
and we didn’t have a dress
to go with the robot.
1088
01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:12,415
I went back to the studio.
1089
01:01:12,544 --> 01:01:16,036
I was like, "Guys, we need
to make a dress for the finale."
1090
01:01:16,339 --> 01:01:19,831
We went under the table
and pulled all these jewels out
1091
01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:22,550
and he was like,
"Hey, there 's the dress. "
1092
01:01:23,054 --> 01:01:26,638
(Slow instrumental music)
1093
01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:32,177
(Mira) They told him it was impossible
1094
01:01:32,272 --> 01:01:34,433
and he said, "No, it’s not.
You can do it. "
1095
01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:38,316
That's what Lee did for people,
he made them do the impossible.
1096
01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:42,525
(Joseph) We got some technician down
to operate the robots and Lee was,
1097
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:44,860
"Oh, yeah, let's make the robots
do more of this."
1098
01:01:45,035 --> 01:01:47,196
He's directing these robots
like they're actors
1099
01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:51,697
and, consequently, you end up
with this incredible choreography,
1100
01:01:51,917 --> 01:01:53,248
her spinning.
1101
01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:57,745
(McQueen) You had Shalom Harlow there
and these two robots going round.
1102
01:01:58,006 --> 01:02:01,123
And the thing is, the robots looked
like they had a mind of their own.
1103
01:02:03,637 --> 01:02:06,879
(Pace of music speeds up)
1104
01:02:20,654 --> 01:02:24,522
(McQueen) I think that's the first time
that I was blown away by my own show.
1105
01:02:25,367 --> 01:02:28,700
That man and machine thing at the end
was... I 'm still in shock, really.
1106
01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:30,903
It's the first time I've cried
at my show, so...
1107
01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:32,700
Yeah.
1108
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:05,191
(Janet) Lee was living his dream.
1109
01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:08,524
He would never have given the work up,
as hard as it was,
1110
01:03:08,702 --> 01:03:11,159
because you get that one chance in life.
1111
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:17,078
(Mira) The first time I knew that Lee
was actually getting very famous
1112
01:03:17,252 --> 01:03:19,709
was when some stranger
came up to us
1113
01:03:19,879 --> 01:03:21,915
in the supermarket
and asked for his autograph.
1114
01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:25,628
And I remember him saying to me,
"Oh, my God, that's so scary."
1115
01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:29,169
And I realised then
that something was happening.
1116
01:03:29,347 --> 01:03:32,510
He was breaking outside of fashion
and becoming famous.
1117
01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:36,635
(Alice) That whole celebrity thing,
people chasing afier him.
1118
01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,348
You got the feeling he was saying,
1119
01:03:38,481 --> 01:03:41,097
"This is not the important thing.
This fame is nonsense.
1120
01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:43,816
"The important thing is what I do."
1121
01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:47,024
(Murray) I sometimes wish
he'd had a normal life
1122
01:03:47,115 --> 01:03:50,232
and that he could just be
a normal person
1123
01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:54,657
in terms of not having that pressure
of everything at such a young age.
1124
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,124
(Mira) I knew Lee when he had nothing
but a rubbish bin full of clothes,
1125
01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:03,253
so I saw very quickly
him become a millionaire and more.
1126
01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:07,507
And the more money he had,
he seemed to be more unhappy.
1127
01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:10,384
(Detmar) With the money came drugs.
1128
01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:12,379
And that was the sad thing.
1129
01:04:12,557 --> 01:04:13,717
(Tape plays)
1130
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:15,844
(McQueen speaking)
1131
01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:38,321
(Mira) When did it become bad?
1132
01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:42,033
Well, it became bad when the pressure
became too much for him
1133
01:04:42,212 --> 01:04:45,249
and he obviously started dealing with it
1134
01:04:45,465 --> 01:04:49,208
in ways he shouldn’t have,
unfortunately.
1135
01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,759
(Detmar) With cocaine
came an aggressiveness,
1136
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,671
that kind of anger,
that sort of paranoia.
1137
01:04:55,475 --> 01:04:57,340
He still made some great clothes,
1138
01:04:57,435 --> 01:04:59,221
but the personality changed.
1139
01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:03,188
(McQueen) All the hard work I do.
I do 10 collections a year.
1140
01:05:03,358 --> 01:05:04,518
And it’s hard work.
1141
01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:07,308
I didn ’t go to Givenchy,
they come to me.
1142
01:05:07,529 --> 01:05:09,770
I got really upset
when people started saying
1143
01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,780
I was gonna get fired
when it wasn't true.
1144
01:05:12,992 --> 01:05:14,823
"Sod the lot of you.
I do what I like."
1145
01:05:18,164 --> 01:05:19,745
(Murray) There was definitely a change
1146
01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,872
and definitely a move
in our relationship.
1147
01:05:22,043 --> 01:05:24,204
He had two sides to him.
1148
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:27,169
He could come
in a super cool mood,
1149
01:05:27,507 --> 01:05:30,965
like, full of laughter and that,
1150
01:05:31,052 --> 01:05:32,713
or it could be
1151
01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:34,673
a devil crossing the door.
1152
01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,430
(Murray) He was obviously
a very troubled person
1153
01:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,057
and the darkness created
1154
01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:44,346
this amazing creativity
and genius artist.
1155
01:05:48,027 --> 01:05:51,144
I had a tattoo saying McQueen on my arm.
1156
01:05:51,823 --> 01:05:53,688
I got it covered up
and when he found out,
1157
01:05:53,867 --> 01:05:55,778
that was kind of like the end
of everything.
1158
01:05:57,162 --> 01:05:58,493
(Alice) Lee was a romantic.
1159
01:05:58,872 --> 01:06:01,784
I think that he flirted always
with the idea of love.
1160
01:06:01,875 --> 01:06:04,116
I’m not sure
whether he ever achieved it.
1161
01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:08,370
The big thing in his life
that he was in love with was his work.
1162
01:06:08,673 --> 01:06:11,710
And also he didn't trust anyone.
1163
01:06:12,218 --> 01:06:13,549
He thought,
1164
01:06:13,845 --> 01:06:16,712
"If the boyfriend is not here,
it's because he's with someone else."
1165
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:19,222
And that made him suffer a lot.
1166
01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:23,180
(McQueen) People forget fashion ’3
always been about attracting a mate.
1167
01:06:23,313 --> 01:06:25,850
It’s about sexuality,
showing a person who you are.
1168
01:06:26,024 --> 01:06:28,481
I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid.
1169
01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:31,685
Even though I'm chubby
and I would like to look smaller.
1170
01:06:32,113 --> 01:06:34,069
I mean, let's be realistic here.
1171
01:06:34,532 --> 01:06:35,897
(Tape plays)
1172
01:06:36,409 --> 01:06:37,444
(McQueen speaking)
1173
01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:46,165
(Alice) When he changed his appearance,
1174
01:06:46,377 --> 01:06:48,789
he said, "I changed myself.
It was the wrong thing to do.
1175
01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:51,041
"I lost touch with who I was."
1176
01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:55,004
(McKitterick) What was it?
Ten years from Lee, little Lee McQueen,
1177
01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:56,925
sat in the corner of my studio
sewing away,
1178
01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,672
to this svelte figure
dressed in Comme des Garcons,
1179
01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:03,474
having to become something
he didn't really want to be,
1180
01:07:03,728 --> 01:07:06,686
this sort of persona,
this Alexander McQueen.
1181
01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:10,018
(Tape plays)
1182
01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:13,192
(McQueen speaking)
1183
01:07:34,551 --> 01:07:36,132
(Simon) 6:00 in the morning.
1184
01:07:37,011 --> 01:07:39,753
(Woman 1) Don't! Don't do that to her.
(Woman 2) Oh, Simon.
1185
01:07:40,098 --> 01:07:42,214
-(Simon chuckles)
-(Woman 2) Oh, my God.
1186
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,716
(Simon, chuckling)
She's only got a few hours left.
1187
01:07:47,689 --> 01:07:49,270
It wasn't fun any more for me.
1188
01:07:49,649 --> 01:07:51,981
That was the bottom line.
It just wasn't fun any more.
1189
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,476
(lndistinct conversation)
1190
01:07:54,612 --> 01:07:56,694
(Woman) I don't like the camera much.
1191
01:07:56,823 --> 01:07:58,654
Turn it off now.
1192
01:07:59,033 --> 01:08:01,490
(Mira) I've never done better work
than my time with Lee.
1193
01:08:01,953 --> 01:08:05,696
There was times that were dark with him
and times that were very bright.
1194
01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:09,498
And we all chose it.
We all chose to be there.
1195
01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:12,501
We all chose to not be there
sometimes as well.
1196
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,711
(Sebastian) I collapsed once in Givenchy
1197
01:08:15,008 --> 01:08:18,171
because of the pressure
and the workload.
1198
01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:20,926
We had a price to pay
and it was our health.
1199
01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,051
I grew in the company,
of course.
1200
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:27,096
I wasn't the little boy
that I started there.
1201
01:08:27,478 --> 01:08:30,015
As I grew up, I realised that...
1202
01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:35,601
I was feeling like I was a little bit
claustrophobic of the situation.
1203
01:08:36,154 --> 01:08:38,861
(McQueen cheerfully) Sebastian!
(Man) Oh, Sebastian...
1204
01:08:39,073 --> 01:08:40,688
(McQueen) Come on, you ugly bitch.
1205
01:08:41,993 --> 01:08:43,483
(McQueen laughing) Ooh!
1206
01:08:43,828 --> 01:08:46,820
It was like full devotion
to the McQueen house.
1207
01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:49,329
Looking after his dogs,
1208
01:08:49,876 --> 01:08:51,992
endless hours of working
1209
01:08:52,337 --> 01:08:55,204
and weekends either working
1210
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:57,046
or socialising with Lee.
1211
01:08:57,383 --> 01:09:00,250
We were going also on holiday together.
1212
01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:03,595
I even know how to take
his signature, you know.
1213
01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:05,971
I was feeling, like, trapped.
1214
01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:09,134
Even if I loved what I was doing.
1215
01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:13,097
I tried to... To speak with him
1216
01:09:13,441 --> 01:09:15,227
and that didn't end up that well.
1217
01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:17,976
The day I told him I was leaving,
he told me,
1218
01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:20,944
"Well, you'd better think about it
because there is no way back."
1219
01:09:23,368 --> 01:09:26,360
And I left and it was really sad,
you know.
1220
01:09:26,496 --> 01:09:29,238
My leaving, you know, it was...
1221
01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:31,163
No one...
1222
01:09:32,543 --> 01:09:35,785
No one, erm...
No one came to...
1223
01:09:37,256 --> 01:09:40,168
After all the work I've done and...
1224
01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:42,208
(Sighs)
1225
01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:52,055
Unfortunately,
Lee took things quite to heart
1226
01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:54,683
without maybe thinking about
1227
01:09:54,857 --> 01:09:56,518
what the other person was going through
1228
01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:58,145
or what they needed
1229
01:09:58,361 --> 01:09:59,976
and he would take it very personally
1230
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:02,903
when someone would leave
or he felt betrayed.
1231
01:10:03,074 --> 01:10:04,780
(Tape plays)
1232
01:10:06,661 --> 01:10:08,242
(McQueen speaking)
1233
01:10:28,683 --> 01:10:32,722
(Kidd) A lot of people around fashion
do suffer from anxiety,
1234
01:10:32,979 --> 01:10:35,265
do suffer from panic attacks,
depression.
1235
01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:38,481
The industry is feeding this ego.
1236
01:10:38,818 --> 01:10:41,150
And it has a very negative efiect.
1237
01:10:42,029 --> 01:10:44,896
(Joseph) For the Voss show
the original concept was a padded cell.
1238
01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:50,694
(Kidd) You start losing who you are
and it becomes a darkness
1239
01:10:50,955 --> 01:10:52,570
and a place that you can't get out of.
1240
01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:55,202
(Joseph) And, of course, Lee being Lee,
1241
01:10:55,418 --> 01:10:57,500
he wasn’t happy
with just this one great idea.
1242
01:10:57,754 --> 01:11:00,291
You then had to have another box
in the middle
1243
01:11:00,715 --> 01:11:03,957
as a kind of theatrical climax
to the show.
1244
01:11:04,343 --> 01:11:07,631
When he came and sat down
to explain what it was,
1245
01:11:08,055 --> 01:11:10,546
he wouldn't look me in the eye
and he was saying,
1246
01:11:11,017 --> 01:11:14,350
"Yes, it's about death
and beauty and rebirth."
1247
01:11:14,645 --> 01:11:16,181
"It's gonna be beautiful."
1248
01:11:16,647 --> 01:11:19,354
I really wasn't expecting
to be recreating
1249
01:11:19,442 --> 01:11:22,275
Joel-Peter Witkin's
famous incubus image.
1250
01:11:22,445 --> 01:11:23,480
(Tape plays)
1251
01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:25,902
(McQueen speaking)
1252
01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:32,489
(Tape stops)
1253
01:11:32,872 --> 01:11:34,328
It's a pretty gruesome image
1254
01:11:34,457 --> 01:11:37,199
and I'm thinking, "Oh, my goodness,
am I gonna do this?"
1255
01:11:37,376 --> 01:11:39,162
And I was like, "All right,
then, I will do it,
1256
01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:41,289
"but I want you to know... "
1257
01:11:41,672 --> 01:11:43,708
Serious face.
"...that I 'm doing it for art."
1258
01:11:45,218 --> 01:11:47,709
And he looked at me like I was mad
1259
01:11:47,887 --> 01:11:49,627
and then he looked away and he went,
1260
01:11:49,847 --> 01:11:51,963
"I thought we all were, weren't we?"
And he was off.
1261
01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:55,967
The actual set had
that Stanley Kubrick 2001
1262
01:11:56,145 --> 01:11:58,306
meets an insane asylum feel.
1263
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,681
And there was a two-way mirror
so that when the fashion people,
1264
01:12:01,901 --> 01:12:04,893
when the fashion press came in
to wait for the show to start,
1265
01:12:05,029 --> 01:12:07,111
they were all looking
at themselves in the mirror.
1266
01:12:07,406 --> 01:12:10,068
The music started,
ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum,
1267
01:12:10,326 --> 01:12:13,238
with this heartbeat
that went faster and faster and faster.
1268
01:12:13,704 --> 01:12:16,366
(Joseph) We didn't know what to expect,
what was gonna happen.
1269
01:12:16,541 --> 01:12:18,281
None of the audience knew at all.
1270
01:12:19,252 --> 01:12:23,586
(McQueen) Fashion is a big bubble
and sometimes I feel like popping it.
1271
01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:34,680
(Joseph) When the show starts,
boom, you can see inside.
1272
01:12:34,892 --> 01:12:36,883
But the models
can 't see the audience at all.
1273
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:40,349
(Olley) It was suddenly a much more
kind of voyeuristic thing.
1274
01:12:41,858 --> 01:12:43,814
The bandages he put
on all the model's heads
1275
01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:48,778
so it had that slight feeling of unease
and sickness and a bed/am feel about it.
1276
01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:57,237
(Mira) There was one time
that I 'd just come out of surgery
1277
01:12:57,456 --> 01:12:59,037
and he came to visit me
1278
01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:02,074
and he saw me
and I had bandages everywhere.
1279
01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:05,996
I was all bruised up and he was like,
"Fucking wickedl", as he would do that.
1280
01:13:09,135 --> 01:13:10,875
saw the beauty in the ugly,
1281
01:13:11,137 --> 01:13:13,093
as with the bandages on me.
1282
01:13:16,517 --> 01:13:17,552
(Laughing)
1283
01:13:28,613 --> 01:13:31,480
(Heartbeat)
1284
01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:43,408
(McQueen) Life isn’t perfect.
We 're not all perfect size-zero models.
1285
01:13:43,586 --> 01:13:46,419
But there is beauty
within the eye of the beholder.
1286
01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:50,130
(Flatlining beep)
1287
01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:03,136
(Olley) For the final image
to be this one
1288
01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:07,606
of a large woman with moths everywhere,
it sounds like a joke, really.
1289
01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:11,023
But I do think there’s a sense of humour
going on underneath there as well.
1290
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,986
It's fat birds and moths.
1291
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,606
I mean, isn't thatjust
fashion's worst nightmare?
1292
01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:23,702
(Tom Ford) Every season
whose collections do I look at?
1293
01:14:23,793 --> 01:14:25,749
Whose collections
am I jealous of in a sense?
1294
01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:29,336
Whose collections do I think
are absolutely amazing?
1295
01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:34,334
Niglezio) Tom was literally God
in the industry.
1296
01:14:34,679 --> 01:14:36,510
I guess, even if Lee was a rebel
1297
01:14:36,764 --> 01:14:39,301
and he was a totally different
kind of person,
1298
01:14:39,684 --> 01:14:42,517
he probably was flattered
and, you know, touched
1299
01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:46,812
by the fact that someone like Tom Ford
noticed him and wanted him.
1300
01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:49,181
Also he was smart enough to know
1301
01:14:49,443 --> 01:14:51,308
that he needed that financial help.
1302
01:14:52,405 --> 01:14:54,191
(McQueen speaking)
1303
01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:12,372
The wonderful thing
about Lee is he is poet...
1304
01:15:12,675 --> 01:15:14,381
He won't like this either,
but it's true.
1305
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:18,128
...poet and commerce united,
because he's very practical.
1306
01:15:18,639 --> 01:15:21,381
So he understands you can express
whatever you want on the runway
1307
01:15:21,726 --> 01:15:24,889
but you need something beautiful
on the hanger to sell to a store.
1308
01:15:26,147 --> 01:15:29,264
(Alice) Gucci Group was smart.
They saw what the potential was.
1309
01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:32,813
And they offered McQueen a deal
he thought he couldn't refuse
1310
01:15:33,195 --> 01:15:35,311
which was, "Here, we'll underwrite
your company
1311
01:15:35,573 --> 01:15:38,064
"and give you 50% of the ownership. "
1312
01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:39,990
They had secret meetings
1313
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:41,825
so none of it would get back to Arnault
1314
01:15:41,954 --> 01:15:43,285
and the LVMH people.
1315
01:15:43,456 --> 01:15:46,243
They had no idea it was coming
until it hit them.
1316
01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,243
(McQueen) I was quite adamant
when I talked to Tom
1317
01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:52,832
that this was a one-man band.
1318
01:15:53,382 --> 01:15:56,249
So they leave you alone
to design what you want?
1319
01:15:56,469 --> 01:15:57,549
Hundred percent.
1320
01:15:57,636 --> 01:15:59,592
(McQueen) l was looking
for major investment
1321
01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:03,222
and then Gucci got in touch and...
1322
01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:06,475
The rest is history.
1323
01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:09,603
(McQueen laughs)
1324
01:16:10,524 --> 01:16:12,185
Au revoir, Givenchy.
1325
01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:16,189
(Lively stringed music)
1326
01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:25,486
(Music stops abruptly)
1327
01:16:28,334 --> 01:16:29,665
(Dog panting)
1328
01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:33,168
(McQueen) Got ya!
1329
01:16:34,006 --> 01:16:36,372
(Melancholic orchestral music)
1330
01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:42,340
(Dogs growling playfully)
1331
01:16:48,395 --> 01:16:49,510
What are you doing?
1332
01:16:49,814 --> 01:16:53,306
I have an affinity with the sea.
I don't know, maybe cos I'm Pisces.
1333
01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,730
And when it rains and it snows
1334
01:16:57,113 --> 01:17:00,196
and you're near the sea
and you can hear the waves...
1335
01:17:01,325 --> 01:17:04,317
It's very melancholic
but it's very romantic.
1336
01:17:06,997 --> 01:17:09,864
Sometimes you need to have a break
1337
01:17:10,793 --> 01:17:12,249
to get away from everything
1338
01:17:12,378 --> 01:17:16,667
and not to think about business
and fashion shows
1339
01:17:17,091 --> 01:17:19,252
and to take time out.
1340
01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:27,047
I have to be surrounded by nature.
1341
01:17:27,852 --> 01:17:29,217
This is older than the house.
1342
01:17:29,562 --> 01:17:33,305
This is over 400 years old.
It's an elm tree.
1343
01:17:33,691 --> 01:17:36,182
And we uplight it at night.
1344
01:17:39,405 --> 01:17:41,361
And, like, it’s good inspiration.
1345
01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:45,733
(Melancholic orchestral music)
1346
01:17:49,081 --> 01:17:51,242
All my friends come here
and, you know,
1347
01:17:51,542 --> 01:17:55,251
we have the fire on
and we watch DVDs and listen to music.
1348
01:17:56,297 --> 01:17:58,754
It's nice and relaxing.
1349
01:18:06,432 --> 01:18:10,892
He would be spending time
with my mum a lot, down the cottage.
1350
01:18:11,562 --> 01:18:14,429
(Janet) I’m grateful
that we had that time together.
1351
01:18:15,149 --> 01:18:18,641
We'd see more of each other
and we did things together.
1352
01:18:19,987 --> 01:18:22,194
(McQueen) My family keep me grounded.
1353
01:18:22,448 --> 01:18:24,655
Fashion can be
a very superficial business.
1354
01:18:27,328 --> 01:18:30,115
When lstarted in London
there was nothing like this.
1355
01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:34,369
It's as close as we can get
to haute couture in England.
1356
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,622
All the people here are students
and it’s, like, training them up
1357
01:18:38,005 --> 01:18:41,293
and giving them that initial step
into the world of fashion.
1358
01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:44,879
Lee knew
from when I was a little boy
1359
01:18:45,095 --> 01:18:47,711
that I loved to draw
and I was always very artistic.
1360
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,177
A lot of time had passed
and I was working at a rubbish tip
1361
01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:54,969
and Lee had the position
for a textile designer on menswear
1362
01:18:55,272 --> 01:18:57,012
and that's when he took me on.
1363
01:18:57,524 --> 01:18:59,480
Lee was really happy having me there,
1364
01:19:00,027 --> 01:19:02,143
firstly on the creative level,
1365
01:19:02,363 --> 01:19:04,069
but secondly just having
1366
01:19:05,074 --> 01:19:07,360
something that reminded him of his past
1367
01:19:07,618 --> 01:19:09,483
and his childhood.
1368
01:19:11,372 --> 01:19:12,532
Let's have a look.
1369
01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:17,158
(McQueen) There was a period when it
wasn't so good and I had a lot of angst.
1370
01:19:17,378 --> 01:19:19,994
It was kind of hard. There was a lot
of confliction in my head
1371
01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,627
with doing a job that I didn't wanna do,
which was Givenchy.
1372
01:19:23,801 --> 01:19:25,837
But I think I 've come to a stage where
1373
01:19:26,387 --> 01:19:29,504
I just accept this is my life,
this is what I was born to do.
1374
01:19:34,019 --> 01:19:35,384
(McQueen) Oh.
1375
01:19:35,688 --> 01:19:37,895
(Laughter)
-(Woman) I like you like this.
1376
01:19:39,149 --> 01:19:41,515
(Gary) He controlled the vibe
wherever he went.
1377
01:19:41,694 --> 01:19:45,312
A lot of the time he was
such a buzz to be around.
1378
01:19:45,447 --> 01:19:47,608
The way I put it,
it was like he was the queen bee
1379
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:51,526
with the worker bees responding
to the signals from that queen bee.
1380
01:19:51,704 --> 01:19:53,660
And people felt that, you know.
1381
01:19:53,914 --> 01:19:55,870
He had this kind of childish way
1382
01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,741
of mucking about
in the studio environment.
1383
01:19:59,044 --> 01:20:02,536
It just made things so light
and such a nice place to be.
1384
01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:07,750
That's what excited everybody.
1385
01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:13,635
(McQueen) I speak so loudly
in my work itself, you know.
1386
01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:15,720
I think everything I do is personal.
1387
01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:19,478
Even turning Kate Moss into a hologram
is kind of personal. It's ethereal.
1388
01:20:19,732 --> 01:20:23,190
It's a time I’m feeling at one
with the world and heavenly.
1389
01:20:23,485 --> 01:20:25,692
If you want to know me,
just look at my work.
1390
01:20:34,455 --> 01:20:37,037
(Slow triumphal music)
1391
01:20:44,423 --> 01:20:46,209
(Reporter) What does fashion
mean to you?
1392
01:20:47,217 --> 01:20:48,457
My life.
1393
01:20:54,016 --> 01:20:55,472
(Detmar) lssie died proud,
1394
01:20:55,642 --> 01:20:58,099
having achieved beyond her
wildest dreams.
1395
01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:02,020
(Plurn) The fact that lssie went
was a huge blow to so many people,
1396
01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:03,389
including Alexander.
1397
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,019
A huge blow.
1398
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,982
(Bells tolling)
1399
01:21:25,464 --> 01:21:29,503
I saw him at Issie's funeral and
I've never seen anyone so devastated.
1400
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:32,251
I couldn’t recognise him.
1401
01:21:32,346 --> 01:21:35,383
He sat right behind me
and I turned round and saw this person
1402
01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:40,426
in a Highland kilt and a hat,
looking very sad.
1403
01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:42,803
I thought, "My God,
it's McQueen, Alexander."
1404
01:21:43,148 --> 01:21:45,810
And the look on his face was haunting.
1405
01:21:46,402 --> 01:21:47,437
I fell...
1406
01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:49,189
I felt for him.
1407
01:21:49,405 --> 01:21:52,238
You could just feel...
You could just see the pain.
1408
01:21:53,158 --> 01:21:54,364
He suffered.
1409
01:21:54,618 --> 01:21:55,653
I could see the love.
1410
01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:57,325
Never deny the love.
1411
01:21:57,496 --> 01:21:59,862
It was such a love afiair
between those two.
1412
01:22:03,335 --> 01:22:05,166
lssie seemed to slot in
1413
01:22:05,295 --> 01:22:07,411
between a sister and a mum.
1414
01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:13,300
She was in the middle
and Lee just loved lssie.
1415
01:22:14,763 --> 01:22:17,220
(Detmar) The connection
between lssie and McQueen...
1416
01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:19,305
They both carried sadnesses.
1417
01:22:21,728 --> 01:22:25,312
He felt that person
had destroyed his innocence.
1418
01:22:25,691 --> 01:22:28,854
lssie had this very sad instance
when she was about five years old
1419
01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,314
when her brother
that she was playing with died.
1420
01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:34,488
Not Issie’s fault,
but she always felt responsible for him
1421
01:22:34,783 --> 01:22:36,364
and carried that guilt.
1422
01:22:36,493 --> 01:22:39,360
There was a destructive side
and destructive issues
1423
01:22:39,496 --> 01:22:42,704
which she could never resolve entirely
and they would blow up.
1424
01:22:43,709 --> 01:22:45,540
It became more and more serious.
1425
01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,327
(Blow) I don '1 take drugs,
but I take medication.
1426
01:22:48,589 --> 01:22:52,173
I mean, sometimes I have to take a pill,
just to keep me calm.
1427
01:22:52,551 --> 01:22:56,214
The pathway
to her self-destruction was clear.
1428
01:22:57,097 --> 01:23:00,715
lssie, perhaps, was thinking
she didn't want to go on forever.
1429
01:23:01,185 --> 01:23:03,221
She couldn't rein vent herself
as an old woman
1430
01:23:03,353 --> 01:23:05,014
cos fashion ’3 all about youth.
1431
01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:08,518
Discovering people is a big thing.
It's like being a mother.
1432
01:23:09,026 --> 01:23:10,982
And the milk's dried up.
1433
01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:13,693
(Detmar) lssie was planning her death.
1434
01:23:14,656 --> 01:23:16,647
So she wanted
to say goodbye to McQueen.
1435
01:23:18,368 --> 01:23:20,734
And she organised a weekend.
1436
01:23:21,163 --> 01:23:24,451
She'd gone to a lot of trouble
with a very lovely menu.
1437
01:23:26,293 --> 01:23:28,158
And Alexander was exhausted
when he turned up
1438
01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:30,077
and just stayed in his room.
1439
01:23:31,882 --> 01:23:34,874
Whatever she needed,
he wasn't able to give it himself
1440
01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:39,587
But they did see each other, yeah.
There was a farewell between them.
1441
01:23:39,765 --> 01:23:41,630
Big hug and kiss and...
1442
01:23:42,142 --> 01:23:43,928
"See you in the next world."
I don't know.
1443
01:23:44,186 --> 01:23:47,178
The thing is, when you're ill,
you don't know...
1444
01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:48,558
You're very alone.
1445
01:23:48,815 --> 01:23:51,056
(Detmar) lssie had ovarian cancer
at the end.
1446
01:23:51,401 --> 01:23:54,564
If it was terminal, who knows.
She wasn't interested in chemotherapy.
1447
01:23:56,657 --> 01:23:58,147
The last thing lssie said to me,
1448
01:23:58,825 --> 01:24:02,238
"Do you remember, Detmar,
when I was a ray of sunshine?"
1449
01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:04,695
And I said,
"You'll always be a ray of sunshine."
1450
01:24:08,835 --> 01:24:11,326
McQueen is calling his show
"La Dame Bleue."
1451
01:24:11,672 --> 01:24:13,128
He '5 dedicating this show
1452
01:24:13,257 --> 01:24:17,546
to his late great friend
and mentor, Isabella Blow.
1453
01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:19,885
You could see her
in the clothes.
1454
01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,797
You could smell
the perfume of her around.
1455
01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:26,099
And you could see her children,
in a way, backstage,
1456
01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:29,182
Alexander and Philip
going crazy together.
1457
01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:31,517
(Mira) What bonded them was lssie.
1458
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:35,647
Isabella single-handedly invented
Alexander and myself
1459
01:24:35,946 --> 01:24:37,311
from nowhere
1460
01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:42,692
with such conviction that...
We will never experience again.
1461
01:24:43,245 --> 01:24:48,114
Her belief in you made you be
the person you are.
1462
01:24:49,876 --> 01:24:51,332
(Wings flapping)
1463
01:24:58,051 --> 01:25:00,087
(Tinkling screech)
1464
01:25:00,887 --> 01:25:02,878
(Melancholic instrumental music)
1465
01:25:07,728 --> 01:25:11,391
(Bobby) Once you sat down
and you saw the set and the music,
1466
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:14,686
you were there and it held you,
1467
01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:18,731
because I kept seeing her in the clothes
that he was putting on the catwalk
1468
01:25:19,072 --> 01:25:21,905
and the hats, of course,
that Philip was designing.
1469
01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:30,285
(Viglezio) It was actually creating
some mythical figure
1470
01:25:30,584 --> 01:25:33,747
that was like Issie’s presence
at the show.
1471
01:25:41,887 --> 01:25:43,172
(Detmar) So emotional.
1472
01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:45,212
I just couldn't stop crying,
1473
01:25:45,682 --> 01:25:47,388
just bent over double.
1474
01:25:47,476 --> 01:25:48,932
And, erm...
1475
01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:51,472
Grief is grief.
You have to go through it.
1476
01:25:57,569 --> 01:26:01,027
(Bobby) And then to see them come on
and realise how young they were
1477
01:26:01,365 --> 01:26:03,401
and they had lost a great friend
1478
01:26:03,867 --> 01:26:05,858
and how they had loved her.
1479
01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:15,075
(Janet) I think it had a big efiect
on Lee.
1480
01:26:16,296 --> 01:26:18,958
After lssie passed away,
1481
01:26:19,716 --> 01:26:23,584
he was in a really dark place.
1482
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:24,880
(Tape plays)
1483
01:26:28,141 --> 01:26:29,597
(McQueen speaking)
1484
01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:43,441
(Sebastian) We were watching TV
in the evening
1485
01:26:43,699 --> 01:26:46,281
and Lee McQueen
opened the news that day
1486
01:26:46,451 --> 01:26:48,567
with the Horn of Plenty show.
1487
01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:54,452
And my father was sitting there
and he's like, "Sebastian, come over.
1488
01:26:54,668 --> 01:26:57,501
"I think it’s your crazy friend's
fashion on TV. "
1489
01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:01,209
And when my father
saw the collection, he was like,
1490
01:27:02,050 --> 01:27:04,541
"I think your friend
has gone really mad."
1491
01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:09,963
And I think with Horn of Plenty
1492
01:27:10,225 --> 01:27:12,682
that really reflects
the fashion world today,
1493
01:27:13,562 --> 01:27:14,677
a pile of crap.
1494
01:27:21,862 --> 01:27:24,353
(Sebastian) Three years of being apart,
1495
01:27:24,531 --> 01:27:27,739
I think a lot and I think
he thinks a lot also.
1496
01:27:29,244 --> 01:27:33,078
And when I called him,
it was like, "Hello, Lee?"
1497
01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:35,030
(As McQueen) "Hello?"
1498
01:27:35,292 --> 01:27:36,623
"Lee, it's Sebastian."
1499
01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:40,620
"Where the fuck have you been
all this time, you fucking bastard?"
1500
01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:46,879
We just started again like...
Like the brothers we were before.
1501
01:27:48,013 --> 01:27:50,379
So then I took the ferry to Ibiza
1502
01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:52,672
and I went to his villa.
1503
01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:56,597
When he opened the door,
I was in shock
1504
01:27:56,855 --> 01:28:00,143
because the person
who opened the door,
1505
01:28:00,484 --> 01:28:03,317
he was a different person,
he was really skinny
1506
01:28:03,612 --> 01:28:07,605
and looking very fragile
and very, very pale.
1507
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,488
When I hugged him,
that's when I noticed
1508
01:28:11,661 --> 01:28:14,198
something has changed because...
1509
01:28:14,623 --> 01:28:17,660
His body structure was just bones.
1510
01:28:18,043 --> 01:28:21,786
There was hardly any muscle
or flesh there.
1511
01:28:24,633 --> 01:28:28,797
(Gary) Lee come in with the idea
of having an invitation for a show
1512
01:28:28,929 --> 01:28:30,920
that had that metamorphosis.
1513
01:28:31,097 --> 01:28:34,681
He wanted his face
to transform into a skull.
1514
01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:40,395
Everything in his life had just led
to these feelings of torment.
1515
01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,477
Lee was HIV positive.
1516
01:28:44,361 --> 01:28:47,524
Even though it isn't
a death sentence as such,
1517
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,403
I think it was always
in the back of Lee's mind.
1518
01:28:51,868 --> 01:28:54,359
You'd feel the bad vibes
when Lee was down.
1519
01:28:54,621 --> 01:28:58,159
There was a real depression
that was brought with that as well.
1520
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,162
(Slow stringed music)
1521
01:29:11,054 --> 01:29:13,136
(Janet) I think the trouble is with Lee,
1522
01:29:13,390 --> 01:29:17,224
afier a show, when you've done
that build-up and you've worked hard,
1523
01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:21,311
you could see
there was a little bit of a down.
1524
01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:25,182
And then onto the next show.
1525
01:29:25,861 --> 01:29:26,896
Again.
1526
01:29:28,363 --> 01:29:32,151
Yeah, it was just show afier show.
I don 't know how Lee did it.
1527
01:29:37,372 --> 01:29:41,035
(McQueen) The pressure's
kind of quite immense now
1528
01:29:41,293 --> 01:29:45,002
because of the Gucci contract
and, erm...
1529
01:29:46,339 --> 01:29:47,374
You know, the...
1530
01:29:47,674 --> 01:29:50,962
I do the men's now
and now I also do McQ,
1531
01:29:51,219 --> 01:29:53,710
so it's about 14 collections
a year again,
1532
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:57,798
same as when l was at Givenchy,
so it's hard work.
1533
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:06,310
(Gary) He would have liked
the idea of moving away
1534
01:30:06,484 --> 01:30:08,020
and just leaving everything behind,
1535
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:12,188
but as it was his name above the door
and his reputation as a person
1536
01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:15,698
and everything he had built,
he couldn 't just abandon it.
1537
01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:25,909
If I ever get that old and I'm still
around and I leave my company,
1538
01:30:26,713 --> 01:30:30,080
I'll just burn the place down
so there's no one working there.
1539
01:30:30,383 --> 01:30:33,125
(Reporter) Really?
So you'd never let someone carry on
1540
01:30:33,762 --> 01:30:36,595
the McQueen tradition
or the McQueen brand
1541
01:30:36,723 --> 01:30:38,588
if you weren't actively involved?
1542
01:30:39,309 --> 01:30:40,389
Erm...
1543
01:30:41,311 --> 01:30:43,552
I don't think so. I mean, it doesn't...
1544
01:30:44,230 --> 01:30:47,939
It... Because that person will have
to come up with the concepts for my show
1545
01:30:48,109 --> 01:30:49,974
and my shows are so personal.
1546
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:51,606
How can... How can that be?
1547
01:30:53,281 --> 01:30:56,318
(Janet) I said, "Why don '1 you
just step away, Lee, for a year?"
1548
01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:58,446
And he just said,
"You don 't understand. "
1549
01:30:58,536 --> 01:31:01,744
He said, "I’m responsible
for 50 people.
1550
01:31:01,998 --> 01:31:05,115
"They've got to pay their mortgages.
I can'tjust stop."
1551
01:31:08,046 --> 01:31:09,877
(Viglezio) l was always thinking
1552
01:31:10,048 --> 01:31:12,460
there's so much sadness in him,
1553
01:31:12,717 --> 01:31:14,548
and that was sad, you know,
1554
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:19,179
because he was this successful,
flamboyant being
1555
01:31:19,432 --> 01:31:21,343
who actually was so lonely deep inside.
1556
01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:24,217
It can be. It can be really lonely.
1557
01:31:24,562 --> 01:31:26,143
And I think...
1558
01:31:26,564 --> 01:31:29,681
You know, I think
there's more to life than fashion
1559
01:31:30,068 --> 01:31:33,185
and I don't want to be stuck
in that bubble of, "This is what I do."
1560
01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:37,030
It's nice because you see
everyone in the office.
1561
01:31:37,283 --> 01:31:39,194
They go home
and they can shut ofi
1562
01:31:39,661 --> 01:31:42,494
but I'm still Alexander McQueen
after I shut the door.
1563
01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:45,451
Do you know what I mean?
I've got to go home with myself, so...
1564
01:31:46,084 --> 01:31:47,665
You know,
if you've had a bad day,
1565
01:31:47,794 --> 01:31:50,331
I've only got myself
to answer to, so...
1566
01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:51,457
(Laughing)
1567
01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:03,093
I mean, with us,
he was, like, behaving...
1568
01:32:04,102 --> 01:32:05,592
All right, OK,
1569
01:32:06,438 --> 01:32:10,647
but deep inside
we knew that he wasn't...
1570
01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:14,230
He wasn't 100%.
1571
01:32:14,821 --> 01:32:16,937
He could hear voices.
1572
01:32:17,115 --> 01:32:20,607
He was telling me
that they were chasing him.
1573
01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:23,367
One thing he used to say,
1574
01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,870
"Paranoia will destroy ya."
1575
01:32:26,708 --> 01:32:28,915
(Joseph) I remember doing a drawing
1576
01:32:29,377 --> 01:32:32,039
which, basically, has got
lots of cameras around.
1577
01:32:32,213 --> 01:32:34,545
We’re thinking, "Maybe
the cameras could be on robots. "
1578
01:32:34,841 --> 01:32:37,332
It was always about
getting the camera right in your face
1579
01:32:37,552 --> 01:32:40,840
and it's surveillance,
making the audience a bit uncomfortable.
1580
01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:43,387
(Gary) The idea behind Plato’s Atlantis
1581
01:32:43,475 --> 01:32:46,433
is where people come from the land
and go back into the sea.
1582
01:32:46,603 --> 01:32:47,809
(Tape plays)
1583
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:49,264
(McQueen speaking)
1584
01:32:58,865 --> 01:32:59,900
(Tape stops)
1585
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,282
(Gary) He loved swimming, scuba diving.
1586
01:33:02,494 --> 01:33:05,577
He loved that feeling of just being
in a difierent world undenlvater,
1587
01:33:06,206 --> 01:33:07,696
just away from everything,
1588
01:33:07,832 --> 01:33:10,164
almost like you’re back in the womb,
floating.
1589
01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:14,377
You know? And that kind of serenity
you would get through that.
1590
01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:18,707
(Sebastian) Plato’s Atlantis
was kind of like a study in his head
1591
01:33:18,968 --> 01:33:20,833
with all the digital printing
1592
01:33:21,304 --> 01:33:24,216
and all the experimenting,
pattern-cutting.
1593
01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:27,887
And the robots were there again.
1594
01:33:28,228 --> 01:33:32,267
He said to me, "I designed
my last collection, Sebastian. "
1595
01:33:32,857 --> 01:33:35,769
And he told me,
"I've had enough with all this.
1596
01:33:36,611 --> 01:33:38,397
"I am gonna kill myself."
1597
01:33:39,197 --> 01:33:41,859
"What do you mean,
you're gonna kill yourself?"
1598
01:33:42,283 --> 01:33:44,444
He's like, "Yeah, I...
1599
01:33:44,536 --> 01:33:47,369
"I am fed up. I've had it with this.
1600
01:33:47,539 --> 01:33:49,530
"I just wanna put an end to it.
1601
01:33:49,833 --> 01:33:53,371
"And in my last show,
in the end..."
1602
01:33:53,545 --> 01:33:55,001
He said,
"Do you remember Voss?
1603
01:33:55,797 --> 01:33:57,879
"So, I’m gonna do
the same sort of thing,
1604
01:33:58,424 --> 01:34:02,167
”but it’s going to be a Perspex box
the size of a human being.
1605
01:34:02,303 --> 01:34:03,543
"So, when the show ends,
1606
01:34:03,721 --> 01:34:07,555
"this box is gonna come up
from the ground
1607
01:34:08,893 --> 01:34:10,884
"with me inside.
1608
01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:12,681
"And then I'm just...
1609
01:34:12,814 --> 01:34:14,554
"I'm just gonna
shoot myself."
1610
01:34:15,984 --> 01:34:17,019
And...
1611
01:34:18,778 --> 01:34:20,188
(Stammering) And I...
1612
01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:23,480
I mean, I just didn't know
what to... How to react to that.
1613
01:34:23,616 --> 01:34:25,356
You know what I mean?
Because”.
1614
01:34:26,161 --> 01:34:27,697
He sounded so convinced.
1615
01:34:27,871 --> 01:34:29,657
(Tape plays)
1616
01:34:30,081 --> 01:34:31,116
(McQueen speaking)
1617
01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:40,542
It was like he thought
1618
01:34:40,925 --> 01:34:45,510
that the whole fashion "system"
was against him.
1619
01:34:46,222 --> 01:34:49,009
And I said, "No, no one is against you.
1620
01:34:49,851 --> 01:34:53,184
"But if you are thinking to do this,
1621
01:34:53,313 --> 01:34:55,679
"you're gonna harm so many people
1622
01:34:56,191 --> 01:34:59,058
"because people come
to your shows to see your beauty,
1623
01:34:59,485 --> 01:35:02,147
"your talent, your creativity and
1624
01:35:03,573 --> 01:35:05,529
"to see you, to see your work."
1625
01:35:05,950 --> 01:35:08,157
(Soft instrumental music)
1626
01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:24,207
(Frackowiak)
He was like a movie director.
1627
01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:27,297
We had to be like aliens
and he told us this.
1628
01:35:27,513 --> 01:35:29,879
He said, "Listen, you have
to have this face.
1629
01:35:30,308 --> 01:35:32,720
"Strong, you know.
You have to be powerful."
1630
01:35:32,894 --> 01:35:35,351
With this show,
he kind of threw a bomb on us.
1631
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:37,846
"OK, this is it. Finished.
Everything is finished.
1632
01:35:38,024 --> 01:35:39,855
"We are reborn. We're starting anew.
1633
01:35:40,026 --> 01:35:41,562
"New chapter, new planet."
1634
01:35:41,694 --> 01:35:43,480
(Music intensifies)
1635
01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:56,826
(Frackowiak) I was really scared.
1636
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,076
I tried not to picture myself falling.
1637
01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:01,327
I wanted him to be proud of me
1638
01:36:01,464 --> 01:36:03,876
and I wanted him to be proud
1639
01:36:04,259 --> 01:36:07,171
that he has such an army of models.
1640
01:36:14,102 --> 01:36:15,842
(Gary) Endless print designs.
1641
01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,471
It might have been a fish's fin
or scales from a snake,
1642
01:36:20,024 --> 01:36:23,562
and then manipulated and montaged
1643
01:36:23,695 --> 01:36:26,027
into a repeat pattern.
1644
01:36:26,197 --> 01:36:28,859
And it became something else,
unrecognisable.
1645
01:36:29,284 --> 01:36:32,651
This was the turn of the digital age
coming into fashion.
1646
01:36:34,205 --> 01:36:36,787
(Sebastian) If towards the end
he wasn't that happy,
1647
01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:40,371
why his best collection is there?
1648
01:36:48,553 --> 01:36:52,171
He knew he needed
something revolutionary.
1649
01:36:52,724 --> 01:36:55,682
And I think
Plato's Atlantis is, I'm sorry.
1650
01:37:06,446 --> 01:37:09,859
(Janet) Ididn't go to Plato,
my mum not being well.
1651
01:37:10,033 --> 01:37:11,989
She was on dialysis at the time.
1652
01:37:12,327 --> 01:37:16,491
Lee didn't really want to face the fact
that we was gonna lose Mum.
1653
01:37:16,581 --> 01:37:19,038
Because he'd lost lssie,
1654
01:37:19,167 --> 01:37:21,203
he wasn't, erm,
1655
01:37:22,545 --> 01:37:25,287
dealing with Mum not being well.
1656
01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:38,967
(Gary) After my grandmother Joyce
passed away,
1657
01:37:40,938 --> 01:37:42,929
he was in really bad shape.
1658
01:37:43,524 --> 01:37:45,389
(Janet) Lee was distraught.
1659
01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:48,522
We was sitting
in the living room at my dad's
1660
01:37:49,864 --> 01:37:52,856
and he didn't look himself at all,
Lee.
1661
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:58,199
I mean, we was all taking
my mum 's passing bad.
1662
01:37:59,207 --> 01:38:04,122
I think we was all worried about Lee
because obviously Mum and Lee...
1663
01:38:06,547 --> 01:38:08,378
Lee idolised my mum.
1664
01:38:19,852 --> 01:38:21,934
The Iastjob he gave me to do
1665
01:38:22,063 --> 01:38:24,475
was designing the gravestone.
1666
01:38:25,817 --> 01:38:28,684
He liked the idea of the wings
wrapping round the gravestone
1667
01:38:28,820 --> 01:38:31,937
to kind of embrace
my grandmother Joyce.
1668
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:35,155
Originally, I had hands
1669
01:38:35,284 --> 01:38:37,946
which were facing down
on top of the gravestone.
1670
01:38:38,287 --> 01:38:43,452
But the hands for him facing down
was holding them down.
1671
01:38:43,751 --> 01:38:46,493
He wanted them uplifted,
so he turned the hands upwards.
1672
01:38:50,633 --> 01:38:52,624
(Janet) I called Lee
1673
01:38:52,927 --> 01:38:54,258
and
1674
01:38:55,471 --> 01:38:57,211
we spoke about
1675
01:38:58,224 --> 01:39:00,215
Mum's funeral and...
1676
01:39:01,561 --> 01:39:03,847
And that was the last conversation.
1677
01:39:05,982 --> 01:39:07,267
-(Tape plays)
-(McQueen speaking)
1678
01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:21,202
(Mira) The night...
1679
01:39:21,372 --> 01:39:24,205
lwas in bed,
I was reading, and I felt...
1680
01:39:25,042 --> 01:39:26,998
I felt something touch my head.
1681
01:39:28,379 --> 01:39:30,461
Very softly and very gently.
1682
01:39:30,548 --> 01:39:33,039
I touched my head
and I said to myself,
1683
01:39:33,551 --> 01:39:35,462
"Who's here? Who are you?"
1684
01:39:36,053 --> 01:39:39,545
I knew someone had passed
and was saying goodbye.
1685
01:39:59,660 --> 01:40:03,869
I got a call at half past 9:00
in the morning
1686
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:05,530
from my sister.
1687
01:40:05,666 --> 01:40:08,157
And then that phone call...
1688
01:40:10,046 --> 01:40:12,378
Just changed...
1689
01:40:13,883 --> 01:40:15,089
Everything.
1690
01:40:16,427 --> 01:40:18,588
I just really couldn't believe
what I was hearing
1691
01:40:18,763 --> 01:40:21,880
because itjust seemed so surreal
in that moment.
1692
01:40:24,393 --> 01:40:29,854
Just the vision in my mind
of Lee being sort of all alone
1693
01:40:29,982 --> 01:40:31,563
and doing that as well
1694
01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:34,354
was playing through my mind,
you know, and it's quite...
1695
01:40:35,696 --> 01:40:37,061
Er...
1696
01:40:37,198 --> 01:40:39,905
It's not the nicest way to go, you know.
1697
01:40:43,454 --> 01:40:45,194
It's, erm...
1698
01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:49,157
| just don't want to think
what was going through his mind,
1699
01:40:49,418 --> 01:40:52,080
how lonely he must have been as well,
doing it.
1700
01:41:01,347 --> 01:41:03,258
(Reporter 1) The fashion world
is in shock
1701
01:41:03,516 --> 01:41:05,882
over news that Alexander McQueen
has died...
1702
01:41:06,102 --> 01:41:09,265
(Reporter 2) The darling of British
fashion has been found dead after...
1703
01:41:09,605 --> 01:41:12,642
(Reporters speaking other languages)
1704
01:41:26,539 --> 01:41:28,154
(Sebastian) He used to say that a lot.
1705
01:41:28,332 --> 01:41:29,947
"One day
1706
01:41:30,126 --> 01:41:33,664
"I'm gonna come home
inside a body bag."
1707
01:41:35,881 --> 01:41:37,872
And that day when...
1708
01:41:40,052 --> 01:41:43,215
The news opened again
that day
1709
01:41:43,389 --> 01:41:46,506
of him leaving his house
inside a body bag.
1710
01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:57,809
(Rebecca) I’d taken my kids
to Hamleys’ 100th-year celebration
1711
01:41:58,154 --> 01:42:00,736
and my partner picked me up and said,
1712
01:42:00,906 --> 01:42:01,941
llllve got. I III
1713
01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:05,032
I can't do it. It'll just be really
silly. I'll just cry.
1714
01:42:05,453 --> 01:42:07,990
He said, "Lee's dead."
1715
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:10,988
And it was just such a shock
1716
01:42:11,417 --> 01:42:14,784
and I was so angry
for a really long time.
1717
01:42:15,046 --> 01:42:17,253
Because you think just...
"How do you...
1718
01:42:17,757 --> 01:42:20,123
"How did that happen?"
You know? He's...
1719
01:42:21,802 --> 01:42:23,042
I think that
1720
01:42:25,389 --> 01:42:28,222
perhaps after my mum went
1721
01:42:28,392 --> 01:42:33,853
that he felt there was nothing
that could make him happy any more.
1722
01:42:34,774 --> 01:42:38,687
And I just think it was
in that moment that
1723
01:42:40,863 --> 01:42:43,354
he had that emptiness.
1724
01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:47,070
I miss him a lot, yeah.
1725
01:42:47,703 --> 01:42:51,070
I miss that... That... You know...
1726
01:42:51,791 --> 01:42:54,783
He could have had, like,
some really great happiness in his life
1727
01:42:54,877 --> 01:42:57,994
and he didn't quite have that
in his personal life.
1728
01:42:58,214 --> 01:43:02,127
And... That's what I wish...
Wished for him most.
1729
01:43:02,968 --> 01:43:04,208
(Softly) Yeah.
1730
01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:11,599
I'm so happy I got to...
1731
01:43:12,812 --> 01:43:14,677
To meet him and to...
1732
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,180
To share
1733
01:43:18,734 --> 01:43:22,272
part of my life with his story
and everything.
1734
01:43:23,364 --> 01:43:24,774
But I miss him.
1735
01:43:24,865 --> 01:43:26,355
| wish
1736
01:43:27,493 --> 01:43:30,701
things ended in a different way.
1737
01:43:46,387 --> 01:43:48,423
(Plum) He wanted to make
really beautiful things
1738
01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:50,129
and he sculpted in clothing.
1739
01:43:50,391 --> 01:43:52,052
He was a sculptor really, I think,
1740
01:43:52,351 --> 01:43:54,137
and that's where that silhouette
came from.
1741
01:43:56,021 --> 01:43:59,184
(Mira) His clothes made me feel
that you could be feminine,
1742
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,188
but at the same time, you know,
"Don't fuck with me, I’m a bitch. "
1743
01:44:03,529 --> 01:44:05,019
(Laughs)
1744
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:11,408
(Sebastian) The thing I remember best
is seeing him working.
1745
01:44:12,163 --> 01:44:13,824
It was magical.
1746
01:44:14,123 --> 01:44:16,865
For me, he was like a magician.
1747
01:44:20,379 --> 01:44:22,665
(Kidd) One outfit would just be insane
1748
01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:25,627
and then the next one
would just be genius.
1749
01:44:27,178 --> 01:44:32,718
(Viglezio) Nobody could create emotions
in a show like Lee McQueen did.
1750
01:44:35,478 --> 01:44:39,141
(Gary) Fashion for Lee was a way
of just communicating a whole world
1751
01:44:39,273 --> 01:44:42,436
and he wanted to take himself
out of the picture,
1752
01:44:42,526 --> 01:44:46,018
for people just to focus
on this art that he was creating.
1753
01:44:47,490 --> 01:44:51,904
(Simon) Raucous, bolshie,
incredibly funny, incredibly driven.
1754
01:44:52,369 --> 01:44:56,829
Not only did he have a singular vision,
but he was a very singular individual.
1755
01:44:57,166 --> 01:45:01,159
And his strength of personality
was quite phenomenal.
1756
01:45:01,796 --> 01:45:04,208
You just don't see
many people like that.
1757
01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:07,005
They don't...
They don't come up very often.
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