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How's that going?
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Mother's bawling and the uncle is pissed off.
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She's not married?
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Divorced, with 4 kids.
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I guess the Father was helping out.
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Helping out?
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Hey, Mr. Burke, they're in the back talking to the Bishop.
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And Father?
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We put him in the break room.
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Any press?
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Some guy from the Citizen, but we sent him away.
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None of the big papers.
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Let's keep it that way.
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Who's that?
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Assistant D.A.
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It's gonna be hard to keep the papers from arraignment.
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What arraignment?
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You can tell Father Geoghan it won't be much longer.
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Now Sheila, you know what a good work...
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the Church does in the community...
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But I give you my personal guarantee...
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that I'm going to take Father out of the parish...
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and this will never happen again.
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We'll just be another moment Paul.
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Of course Father.
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Now Sheila, I'm going to give you my personal card.
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Losing a good reporter...
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is always tough.
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But losing one of our best...
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Well, to put it this eloquently as I can.
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It's a real kick in the ass.
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But, Robby here has known Stewart...
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longer than most of you been alive.
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So I'll handed off to him. Robby.
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Oh, well, thanks Ben. I think.
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Although I take issue...
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with your reference to my seniority.
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I will say that Stewart's departure is specially...
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painful for me, because...
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For what?
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Stewart, 20 years now?
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Stewart's been more than willing...
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to part with his money at a poker table.
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And, I've got a kid in college.
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Yeah, but I'm gonna keep playing.
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Oh, problem solved.
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God speed then.
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Now Stewart, I find the...
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timing of your departure...
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disconcerted.
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A corner office...
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sits empty.
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The new editor arrives on monday.
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So I'm sorry buddy, but...
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I got to ask you.
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What the hell do you know?
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How's the cake?
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It's really good.
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You saving yours?
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No, that's for Mike.
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I can't ever eat at those things, they are kinda depressing.
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I know.
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Did you see the numbers from Washington?
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Yeah, very interesting.
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I'm not asking if the PD is lying, I know they're lying.
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All I'm asking who's behind it?
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Ok, I get it, you don't wanna talk.
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No Dan, I'm not mad, I'm hungry.
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I've been talking to you so long I didn't eat lunch.
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So I'm gonna get something to eat...
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and I'll give you an hour to decide...
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whether you want to be on the right side of this...
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or read about it like everybody else.
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Bye Dan.
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You think Cahill has something?
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Maybe. I just don't think the story is for us.
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Ben likes it?
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Yeah, it's not bad. It's just not Spotlight.
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What's just not Spotlight?
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- PD numbers.
- The numbers story, feels thin.
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Oh, you got Cahill to talk?
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No, but I will.
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Good, then know if it's thin.
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How did it go upstairs?
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Ok, Robby gave a good speech.
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Sure he did.
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I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the Times.
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- C'mon, really?
- Yeah, I heard that.
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They are leaching us.
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Well, at least they are sending us a guy from Miami to run things.
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That should help.
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Has Baron even spent time in Boston?
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He's never been here before.
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Maybe we should buy him a map.
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I have a friend down in Miami,
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said he cut 15% of the stuff.
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- Great.
- Hey Robby?
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New boss coming in to make some cuts?
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I have no idea.
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Aren't you sitting down with him?
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Yes I am.
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So is it about spotlight?
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I don't know Mike.
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But I do know...
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That Ben needs an answer on that crime number story.
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I'm telling you, I really don't think that story is for us.
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Mr. Baron.
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Walter Robinson.
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Robby.
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Thanks for taking a time of your...
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- Oh, it's my pleasure.
- Appreciate it.
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Oh, yeah.
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Great book.
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Globe has a season tickets at Fenway...
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once you settle in, by the way.
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Thank you.
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To be honest, I'm, I'm not much of baseball fan...
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I'm just trying to get the feel for the city.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, you're originally from Boston?
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I am, born and raised, yeah.
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A lot of the newsroom is from here.
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Really feels like ah...
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like a local paper in that way.
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And did that changed at all
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after the paper were sold to the Times?
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No. I don't think that big impact.
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Good.
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And... You're an editor for the Spotlight team.
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I prefer to think of myself...
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as a player-coach, but yes.
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Are you familiar with the Spotlight?
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No, not particularly.
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Well, we are a 4 person investigative team.
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We report to Ben Bradlee Jr. and...
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we keep our work confidential.
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What are you working on now?
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We just put out a piece on a shoddy...
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constraction outfit and right now...
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we're really just trolling around for our next story.
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How long does that typically take?
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Hard to say, a couple months.
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Couple months?
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Yeah, we don't like to rush it.
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Once we settle on the project...
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we can spend a year or more investigating.
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- Is that a concern?
- Not necessarily.
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But, but from what I understand readership is down,
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the Internet is cutting into the Classified business.
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And, I think I'm gonna need to take a hard look at things.
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So... You anticipate more cuts?
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I think it's safe to assume so, but...
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what I'm more focused on right now is...
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finding the way to make this paper...
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essential to its readers.
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I like to think it already is.
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Fair enough. I just think that we can do better.
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- Mr. Bradlee.
- Hey.
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- Saw the PD numbers, looks interesting?
- Yeah, there's something there.
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- How long do you need?
- Another week.
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- Where are you going? - 10:30.
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Since when?
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- Technically I am an editor.
- Technically.
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Your sit down with Baron go that well?
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I couldn't get a read on him.
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That's a first.
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How about you?
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Oh, he's a barrel of laughs.
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Morning everyone. Lets get started.
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Do you want to say something, Marty?
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Sure.
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Hello.
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As most of you know by now...
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my name is Marty Baron.
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I'm... delighted to be here.
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If you could tell me your name as we go around...
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that'd be helpful. Thank you.
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- Ok, Peter.
- Peter Canellos, Metro.
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We've got a major Big Dig closure...
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- Hey, Steve.
- Mike.
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Hey.
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Crappy game last night.
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Hm, they can'thit worth a nickel.
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Listen, what's, what's Eileen McNamara doing in 10:30?
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You need something, Mike?
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No. Just curious?
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Go be curious somewhere else. I got work to do.
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- Ok Steve, see you.
- Yeah.
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And it looks like Pedro is going to be out till september 1st.
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Jimmy says he could be back this year,
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but the doctor didn't seem so sure.
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When's the Pats opener?
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- Is that everyone?
- Yes, that's it.
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Ok, good, thank you.
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Did everyone read Eileen McNamara column this weekend?
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- That's the Geoghan case?
- Yeah. What's the folo on that?
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It's a column, what kind of follow would you thinking?
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Well, apparently this priest molested kids...
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in 6 different parishes over the last 30 years.
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And the attorney for the victims, Mr...
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Garabedian.
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Thanks Eileen. Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal Law...
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found about it 15 years ago and did nothing.
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Yeah, I think that attorney is a bit of crank...
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and the Church dismissed the claim.
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He said, she said.
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Whether Mr. Garabedian is a crank or not...
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he says he has documents to prove that Cardinal knew.
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And as I understand that those documents are under a seal.
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Ok, but the fact remains that Boston priest...
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abused 80 kids. We have a lawyer...
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who says he can prove Law knew about it...
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and we written all of...
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2 stories in the last 6 months.
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This strikes me as an essential story...
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to a local paper, I think that at very least...
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we have to go through those documents.
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How would you like to do that?
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Well, I don't know what the laws are here,
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but in Florida, we would go to Court.
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You want to sue the Church?
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Technically we wouldn't sue the Church...
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we'd file a motion to lift the seal on those documents.
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The Church would read that as us suing them.
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So will everybody else.
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Good to know.
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Gutsy call for a first day.
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That's one word for it.
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How do you think that's gonna play down front?
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I think Gilman's gonna shit a brick.
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- Hey.
- Door.
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How did it go?
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Well, Baron wants to sue for...
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the sealed docs in the Geoghan case.
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Wants to sue the Church? Hey, that's great!
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We covered Geoghan when the story broke 3 years ago.
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Baron was still in Miami.
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I think he was at the Times then actually.
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He wasn't here.
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So do you think that sue has a chance?
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- Depend on the Judge.
- And what parish he belongs to.
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Bradlee. Yeah. Ok.
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Baron wants to talk to us.
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Us?
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Ok Jim, thank you. Yes. Ok, thanks.
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I've set up a meeting for tomorrow with outside counselor.
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- Jon Albano.
- Yeah.
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Who's the Judge in this case?
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- Constance Sweeney.
- Tough.
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- Why is that?
- Good catholic girl.
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So...
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Judging from what I've read, it doesn't seem...
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like we've done the very thorough investigation in the Geoghan case?
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Is that right?
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No. It's not.
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We looked hard at Geoghan.
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David Armstrong from Metro...
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and Michael Poison for Religion.
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Ok, but... Just so that I understand...
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beyond our daily coverage,
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we haven't commited any long term investigative resources...
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to the question whether or not Cardinal Law knew about this.
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No, we haven't.
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And that's the kind of thing your team would do?
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Spotlight? Well yeah, but we're still prospecting...
267
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the Boston PD story I told you about.
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- Could you set that aside?
- We could.
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Marty, in past Spotlight's had success in large part...
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because they picked their own projects.
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Would you consider picking this one?
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I don't know if he's writing about you, but...
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I will let him know you called. Ok, bye.
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- Hey.
- Hey, how did it go?
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Ok. Baron wants us to scrub the Geoghan case.
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- That's great.
- Didn't we cover Geoghan?
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There's a lawyer alleging Cardinal Law knew about it.
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- Mitch Garabedian, right?
- Yeah. I covered him at the Court House.
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Can you get to him?
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I only interviewed him once, he's kind of a character.
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I like characters. I'll take him.
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Good, you take him.
283
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Also we should be talking to...
284
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the lawyer who repped the victims...
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in the Porter case, Eric Macleish.
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That guy who is always on tv.
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The Porter case? Remind me.
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Yeah, Father Porter similar story.
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Molested dozens of kids in Fall River about 10 years ago...
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So, we're dropping the Boston PD?
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I vote yes.
292
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No, we should set that aside for now. Listen.
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I don't need to tell you guys this...
294
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we need to be more discreet than usual.
295
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Alright?
296
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Everybody's gonna be interested in this. Not just Herald.
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We can't let Cardinal Law getting wind of this untill we know what we have.
298
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Good luck with that.
299
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When are you leaving, Nana?
300
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The bus is picking us up at Church parking lot at 9 o'clock.
301
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- We got 40 going.
- And is Father Dominic going?
302
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No, he says he's unlucky.
303
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But luck has nothing to do with it.
304
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You know, last time nana won $160.
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You gonna tell her?
306
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We don't even know if there's a story yet.
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Hey Lisa, could you pull all the relevant clips on that for me?
308
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Yeah.
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This is for Spotlight?
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Just drop 'em off when they're ready, thanks.
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Excuse me, do you know where the publishers office is?
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Will do.
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How are you Marty, settling in?
314
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Yeah, I think so.
315
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Good. What can I do for you?
316
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I'd like to challenge the protective order in the Geoghan case.
317
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You want to sue the Catholic Church?
318
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We're just filing the motion, but... Yes.
319
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You think it's that important?
320
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Yes, I do.
321
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Because...
322
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Obviously the Church will fight us very hard on this.
323
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Which won't go unnoticed by our subscriber base,
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53% of them are catholic.
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I think they'll be interested.
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Ok.
327
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Marty, Lake street will probably contact you...
328
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about face to face with Cardinal, it's customary.
329
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Yeah, they already have, it's set up for next week.
330
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I wouldn't mention this.
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Hello?
332
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Hello?
333
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Can I help you?
334
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Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes from Boston Globe,
335
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I'm here to see Mitchell Garabedian.
336
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- He's on the call, please have a sit.
- Ok.
337
00:17:05,804 --> 00:17:07,324
Alright, I'm listening, go ahead.
338
00:17:10,414 --> 00:17:11,414
Ok.
339
00:17:12,044 --> 00:17:13,964
Bill, where the hell are those papers?
340
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I asked you to put them on my desk!
341
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The famous Walter Robinson in my conference room.
342
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Good to see you again Eric. Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish.
343
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
344
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You don't play golf, do you?
345
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- No.
- Good. Your colleague here, took some money of me...
346
00:17:44,624 --> 00:17:46,164
at the charity event last year.
347
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It was a very lucky putt, I...
348
00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:49,514
actually had my eyes closed, by the way.
349
00:17:50,644 --> 00:17:52,264
So, how can I help you guys?
350
00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:56,064
You are familiar with the Geoghan case?
351
00:17:56,234 --> 00:17:58,844
Sure, 80 plaintiffs.
352
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All of them individual cases, Garabedian must be swimming.
353
00:18:02,594 --> 00:18:05,824
Yeah, any allegation against Cardinal Law?
354
00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:07,894
Yeah, it's tricky.
355
00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:11,734
This is what you need to understand, these are shitty cases.
356
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Statute of limitation is only 3 years, and most of these...
357
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victims don't come forward till long after that.
358
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Why is that?
359
00:18:21,044 --> 00:18:23,554
Well they're kids, you know? Guilt, shame...
360
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And most of these kids come from tough neighbourhood,
361
00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:28,554
nobody wants to admit this kind of thing, so...
362
00:18:29,114 --> 00:18:32,484
you're screwed on the time moment, and...
363
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even if you argue your way around that, the charitable immunity statute...
364
00:18:36,494 --> 00:18:38,474
caps damages at 20 grand.
365
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20 grand, for molesting a child?
366
00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:45,984
That is the way the system is set up, yes.
367
00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:49,684
The Church is tough, so...
368
00:18:49,694 --> 00:18:51,834
your best shot is to try this cases in the press.
369
00:18:52,074 --> 00:18:54,254
Like I did on Porter.
370
00:18:54,774 --> 00:18:56,914
But you know, most of the victims they don't wanna...
371
00:18:56,914 --> 00:18:57,954
have anything do to with TV...
372
00:18:57,974 --> 00:19:03,134
and Mitch isn't exactly a people person.
373
00:19:03,614 --> 00:19:07,104
Yeah, if Garabedian can't get these victims just go before the press...
374
00:19:07,204 --> 00:19:08,344
that is really...
375
00:19:08,374 --> 00:19:12,074
That's right, and he has a long road ahead of him.
376
00:19:12,164 --> 00:19:15,714
My guess is, he doesn't have anything on Law.
377
00:19:16,734 --> 00:19:18,314
What do you think, he's bluffing?
378
00:19:18,734 --> 00:19:21,014
I think he's grandstanding...
379
00:19:21,034 --> 00:19:22,494
to cut a better deal.
380
00:19:23,174 --> 00:19:25,344
Seems a bit reckless.
381
00:19:26,174 --> 00:19:27,644
Have you met Mitch Garabedian?
382
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I asked you to write me that motion Bill,
383
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I didn't ask you to file it.
384
00:19:43,054 --> 00:19:44,194
Hey Bill...
385
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Hi.
386
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- Who are you?
- I'm Mike Rezendes from Boston Globe...
387
00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:02,374
I had an appointment with you, about an hour ago.
388
00:20:02,394 --> 00:20:04,164
I can't talk to you, I'm busy. Sharon!
389
00:20:04,214 --> 00:20:06,374
She went for coffee, she said she'll be right back.
390
00:20:06,404 --> 00:20:08,264
I'm following up on an article...
391
00:20:08,884 --> 00:20:10,604
- The one in the Phoenix?
- No, in the Globe.
392
00:20:11,354 --> 00:20:13,954
- Did you see the one in the Phoenix?
- No, I didn't.
393
00:20:13,984 --> 00:20:16,454
I thought it was very good, I have a copy here somewhere.
394
00:20:16,484 --> 00:20:17,674
It's alright, I'll track it down.
395
00:20:18,094 --> 00:20:19,624
I'm actually following up on a column...
396
00:20:19,664 --> 00:20:21,994
that Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit.
397
00:20:22,014 --> 00:20:24,084
Suits, 84 of them.
398
00:20:24,114 --> 00:20:26,684
It's not a class action, you should get your facts straight.
399
00:20:26,714 --> 00:20:27,714
No, you're right, I should.
400
00:20:28,364 --> 00:20:30,314
So, I'm trying to get some background information...
401
00:20:30,344 --> 00:20:31,774
You are not recording this, are you?
402
00:20:32,674 --> 00:20:34,434
No, I wouldn't do that without asking.
403
00:20:34,464 --> 00:20:35,804
I can't show you the Church documents...
404
00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:37,574
if that's what you're after. They're under seal.
405
00:20:38,444 --> 00:20:39,444
Yeah, I know that.
406
00:20:40,484 --> 00:20:41,794
Did you know that they try to bring me up...
407
00:20:41,814 --> 00:20:44,924
before the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers 3 times?
408
00:20:45,034 --> 00:20:46,294
They are watching me very closely.
409
00:20:46,324 --> 00:20:48,814
- The Church?
- Yeah, the Church. Yeah.
410
00:20:48,844 --> 00:20:51,304
They'd like to get me disbarred, in fact... Put that away.
411
00:20:52,004 --> 00:20:53,084
- Put it away.
- Sure.
412
00:20:53,524 --> 00:20:55,994
I don't want you recording this in any way, shape or form.
413
00:20:56,014 --> 00:20:58,064
- Not on paper, not on tape, nothing.
- Ok.
414
00:20:58,084 --> 00:20:59,864
In fact, I probably shouldn't even be speaking to you.
415
00:21:00,714 --> 00:21:02,754
Look, Mr. Garabedian, I know there's...
416
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:05,704
things, you cannot tell me, but...
417
00:21:05,714 --> 00:21:06,934
I also know there's a story here..
418
00:21:07,034 --> 00:21:08,474
And I think it's an important story.
419
00:21:08,544 --> 00:21:11,624
- I already talked to the Phoenix.
- Yeah, there's a reason I didn't see it.
420
00:21:12,114 --> 00:21:14,214
Nobody reads a Phoenix anymore...
421
00:21:14,314 --> 00:21:16,214
they're broke, they don't have any power.
422
00:21:16,314 --> 00:21:17,464
The Globe does.
423
00:21:18,354 --> 00:21:20,734
If we cover the story, everybody will hear about it.
424
00:21:22,624 --> 00:21:24,924
The Church thinks in centuries, Mr. Rezendes.
425
00:21:25,214 --> 00:21:28,284
Do you think your paper has resources to take that on?
426
00:21:28,314 --> 00:21:29,404
Yeah, I do.
427
00:21:30,234 --> 00:21:33,684
But if you don't mind me asking... Do you?
428
00:21:35,204 --> 00:21:38,164
I can't talk to you right now, Mr. Rezendes. I'm very, very busy.
429
00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:42,814
- Sharon.
- Thank you.
430
00:21:42,814 --> 00:21:43,814
Yeah, yeah.
431
00:21:44,044 --> 00:21:45,714
Can I at least talk to some of the clients?
432
00:21:45,754 --> 00:21:47,594
Victims? I'd really like to do that.
433
00:21:48,854 --> 00:21:50,144
- Call me tomorrow, I got to think about it.
- Thank you.
434
00:21:50,174 --> 00:21:51,424
Yeah, yeah.
435
00:22:16,344 --> 00:22:18,414
A FAMILIAR PATTERN
436
00:22:26,154 --> 00:22:28,954
Porter faces Mass. Court as '87 abuse claim arises.
437
00:22:44,774 --> 00:22:47,264
- I got more clips from the library.
- Leave 'em right there.
438
00:22:48,444 --> 00:22:50,604
Are you guys doing a story on the Church?
439
00:22:50,704 --> 00:22:52,774
No, we are not doing a story on the Church.
440
00:22:53,384 --> 00:22:56,414
Matt. You find anything on this guy Phil Saviano?
441
00:22:56,504 --> 00:22:58,064
No. Who is he?
442
00:22:58,184 --> 00:22:59,944
He's part of a victims organization.
443
00:23:00,124 --> 00:23:02,744
Kurkjian did a story on him right after the Porter case.
444
00:23:02,774 --> 00:23:04,604
There's a victims' organization?
445
00:23:04,954 --> 00:23:06,584
Yeah. It's called SNAP.
446
00:23:06,604 --> 00:23:08,954
It's Survivors Network of those Abused by Priest.
447
00:23:09,034 --> 00:23:10,304
Crummy acronym.
448
00:23:13,334 --> 00:23:15,564
- Want me to track him down?
- Yeah, bring him in.
449
00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:18,304
How much longer do you need to get through the clips?
450
00:23:18,454 --> 00:23:20,864
I mean, a few days, there's a lot.
451
00:23:20,904 --> 00:23:22,434
- Lisa is still sending it more.
- Ok.
452
00:23:22,454 --> 00:23:25,214
Hey guys, I think I got another Priest.
453
00:23:26,484 --> 00:23:29,534
Liam Barrett. Molested some kids in Philly,
454
00:23:30,084 --> 00:23:33,894
and was moved to Boston, did the same thing and was moved again.
455
00:23:34,084 --> 00:23:35,354
Really? That sounds like Geoghan.
456
00:23:35,554 --> 00:23:36,714
Is that one of our clips?
457
00:23:36,774 --> 00:23:40,174
Yeah, Byline's Diego Ribadeneira, 1997. Must've been back
458
00:23:40,194 --> 00:23:41,914
when he was working religion.
459
00:23:42,294 --> 00:23:44,824
- Was there any follow?
- Not much, only show one piece.
460
00:23:45,964 --> 00:23:47,634
The Church settled the case.
461
00:23:50,574 --> 00:23:52,204
Don't you know Jim Sullivan?
462
00:23:53,074 --> 00:23:54,204
Yeah. Why?
463
00:23:54,974 --> 00:23:56,604
Looks like the Church brought him in to help out.
464
00:24:05,184 --> 00:24:09,204
Jesus. Has anybody but Manny gotten the ball out of the infield?
465
00:24:10,094 --> 00:24:12,064
Why do you even bother with that thing?
466
00:24:12,194 --> 00:24:14,264
It distracts me from the game.
467
00:24:14,424 --> 00:24:16,424
You know what else is good for that?
468
00:24:16,614 --> 00:24:19,694
Oh, yeah. Good idea, buy a round. I'll be right back.
469
00:24:20,264 --> 00:24:23,164
- Anybody want any food?
- A hotdog.
470
00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:29,024
- So you guys making any progress?
- Absolutely, it's a good story.
471
00:24:29,044 --> 00:24:33,164
Why? Because you're another lapsed catholic pissed off at the Church?
472
00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:34,974
- We got a lot of good stuff.
- Like what?
473
00:24:36,684 --> 00:24:38,894
I'm just watching the game. Omerta.
474
00:24:39,224 --> 00:24:42,464
- They got another priest, Liam Barrett.
- We reported it.
475
00:24:43,454 --> 00:24:44,554
I'm just saying, we did.
476
00:24:44,584 --> 00:24:46,174
Ok, but this guy was shuffled a lot...
477
00:24:46,204 --> 00:24:47,764
from parish to parish every few years...
478
00:24:47,784 --> 00:24:50,214
just like Geoghan and Porter. I think there's a pattern.
479
00:24:51,364 --> 00:24:53,714
Sounds thin. What else you got?
480
00:24:54,204 --> 00:24:57,984
Sacha's got another guy from a victims organization. Phil Saviano.
481
00:24:58,114 --> 00:25:01,124
From SNAP? O boy, we reported on him too.
482
00:25:01,144 --> 00:25:02,624
I thought you were watching a game, Steve.
483
00:25:03,014 --> 00:25:05,634
- That guy's pretty banged up, Mike.
- We did a couple stories on him.
484
00:25:05,744 --> 00:25:07,644
Guy would not stop writing letters.
485
00:25:07,784 --> 00:25:08,784
He wants a holy war.
486
00:25:08,854 --> 00:25:11,394
- So, he's not worth talking to?
- Where are you on Garabedian?
487
00:25:11,484 --> 00:25:12,264
I'm working on it.
488
00:25:12,454 --> 00:25:14,494
Robby say Macleish thinks he's bluffing.
489
00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:17,214
I think there's something there Ben.
490
00:25:17,524 --> 00:25:19,214
Get me something solid or I'm taking you off him.
491
00:25:19,294 --> 00:25:21,354
I don't want us chasing our tails on this.
492
00:25:30,934 --> 00:25:32,004
Stay away from that trap.
493
00:25:32,814 --> 00:25:35,204
You couldn't reach that trap in a million years partner.
494
00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:38,504
- I could reach that trap before. Yeah. Now Paul, maybe.
495
00:25:40,214 --> 00:25:42,074
- How we doing?
- Good.
496
00:25:42,114 --> 00:25:43,944
We're two up in the front.
497
00:25:45,724 --> 00:25:49,404
- How's that new editor working out?
- Well, he doesn't like baseball.
498
00:25:49,894 --> 00:25:53,084
But, he seems like a smart guy.
499
00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:55,964
Yeah, I read an article about him, said he's a...
500
00:25:56,684 --> 00:25:58,284
first Jewish editor of The Globe.
501
00:25:59,064 --> 00:26:00,714
Must have been a slow news day.
502
00:26:02,134 --> 00:26:05,924
- He got a family, this guy?
- No, he is not married.
503
00:26:06,204 --> 00:26:08,794
- Divorced?
- I don't think so, no.
504
00:26:09,314 --> 00:26:11,374
So, the new editor of The Globe is not married man...
505
00:26:11,414 --> 00:26:13,444
of the Jewish faith who hates baseball.
506
00:26:14,584 --> 00:26:16,244
- Yeah.
- They should have given it to Ben.
507
00:26:17,014 --> 00:26:18,204
He's a Bradlee for crying out loud.
508
00:26:18,234 --> 00:26:20,814
Didn't raise his hand fast enough I guess.
509
00:26:22,354 --> 00:26:24,964
Hey by the way, I've been reading about this priest...
510
00:26:24,994 --> 00:26:27,274
Father Barrett, said you were involved with that?
511
00:26:27,864 --> 00:26:29,814
Barrett yeah, bad egg.
512
00:26:30,454 --> 00:26:32,734
Lake Street asked for help, I pitched in.
513
00:26:33,634 --> 00:26:35,744
Victims said Cardinal Law knew about...
514
00:26:35,784 --> 00:26:38,354
Barrett, when he came to Philly. Is that true?
515
00:26:39,044 --> 00:26:41,134
You know I can't talk about the case Robby.
516
00:26:43,574 --> 00:26:44,774
Off the record?
517
00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:46,634
Off the record, I can't talk about it.
518
00:26:48,644 --> 00:26:51,914
- This related to a lawsuit?
- You know about that?
519
00:26:53,234 --> 00:26:54,454
Look.
520
00:26:55,284 --> 00:26:56,644
I don't know this guy Baron...
521
00:26:56,744 --> 00:26:58,834
or what his agenda is, frankly I don't care.
522
00:27:00,224 --> 00:27:03,004
I just don't wanna see you taking a bullet for him.
523
00:27:03,034 --> 00:27:04,334
I think you're wise.
524
00:27:10,094 --> 00:27:11,684
- Right over here.
- Lets go, lets go.
525
00:27:12,004 --> 00:27:14,884
So the other day I was on the world wide web.
526
00:27:15,714 --> 00:27:18,844
Anything you wanna know, it's right there.
527
00:27:19,514 --> 00:27:22,254
Now, I have to admit that as a priest,
528
00:27:22,284 --> 00:27:24,134
this makes me a little nervous.
529
00:27:24,714 --> 00:27:27,454
Should I be worried about job security?
530
00:27:28,914 --> 00:27:30,454
I don't think so.
531
00:27:30,794 --> 00:27:37,464
You see... Knowledge is one thing, but faith. Faith is another.
532
00:27:52,984 --> 00:27:55,364
- Hey.
- Hey.
533
00:27:57,584 --> 00:28:01,674
- So should we golfing or something? - "Golfing" is not a verb.
534
00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:04,404
And I couldn't get a tee time.
535
00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,134
Is that what they call it, tee time?
536
00:28:06,794 --> 00:28:08,744
They also call it a leasure activity.
537
00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:10,114
You oughta try it Mike.
538
00:28:10,134 --> 00:28:13,204
- I do, I run.
- Yeah, you run to work.
539
00:28:16,374 --> 00:28:17,784
So why are you here today?
540
00:28:18,034 --> 00:28:20,324
Going over this clips of Saviano.
541
00:28:20,364 --> 00:28:22,624
Yeah, Ben and Steve thinks it's a dead end.
542
00:28:22,844 --> 00:28:24,694
They gave me a bunch of crap about it at the game.
543
00:28:24,774 --> 00:28:27,324
- Yeah, Ben emailed me.
- He did?
544
00:28:27,684 --> 00:28:30,524
- Yeah, He said we should let it go.
545
00:28:30,984 --> 00:28:32,324
What do you wanna do?
546
00:28:33,624 --> 00:28:35,454
We bring Saviano in.
547
00:28:35,624 --> 00:28:37,954
So, just ignore those guys?
548
00:28:41,294 --> 00:28:44,344
I think we got to start ignoring everybody on this one.
549
00:28:44,374 --> 00:28:45,484
I'm good at that.
550
00:28:50,774 --> 00:28:54,004
You think Marty has any idea what's coming down the Pike?
551
00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:56,724
No, I don't think he cares either.
552
00:28:57,344 --> 00:28:58,514
That's refreshing.
553
00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:00,254
Yeah.
554
00:29:02,414 --> 00:29:03,754
Unless he's wrong.
555
00:29:22,874 --> 00:29:25,884
I have always been fascinated with the newspaper business.
556
00:29:26,374 --> 00:29:28,264
I used to sit in on the lectures with...
557
00:29:28,294 --> 00:29:30,154
the Nieman fellows, when I was at Harvard.
558
00:29:31,844 --> 00:29:34,484
I, I read that you were an editor once.
559
00:29:35,624 --> 00:29:39,204
Yes. That was a very long time ago.
560
00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:43,344
The Mississippi Register. Small.
561
00:29:43,684 --> 00:29:45,704
Diocese in newspaper.
562
00:29:46,364 --> 00:29:50,994
But for 30 year old Pastor it was a big responsibility.
563
00:29:52,134 --> 00:29:53,574
Too much at times.
564
00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:55,904
How so?
565
00:29:57,834 --> 00:29:59,994
I was close with the Evers brothers,
566
00:30:00,284 --> 00:30:02,924
we took a stand on civil rights.
567
00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:05,304
Our readership was not pleased.
568
00:30:06,014 --> 00:30:08,454
They saw me as meddling outsider.
569
00:30:09,914 --> 00:30:11,114
I can imagine.
570
00:30:11,784 --> 00:30:15,464
Tough sit to sit in, especially in a small town.
571
00:30:16,394 --> 00:30:18,144
I think you'll find that Boston's...
572
00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:20,854
still a small town too, Marty.
573
00:30:21,044 --> 00:30:22,394
In any ways.
574
00:30:23,234 --> 00:30:27,734
But if I can be of any help, Marty, don't hesitate to ask.
575
00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,404
I find that the city flourishes...
576
00:30:31,514 --> 00:30:33,594
when its grand institution works together.
577
00:30:35,204 --> 00:30:37,744
Thank you. Personally, I'm of the opinion...
578
00:30:37,784 --> 00:30:40,294
that for the paper to best perform its function
579
00:30:41,084 --> 00:30:42,304
it really needs to stand alone.
580
00:30:45,514 --> 00:30:50,414
Of course. But my offer still stands.
581
00:30:50,444 --> 00:30:51,444
Thank you.
582
00:30:53,624 --> 00:30:54,624
Come in.
583
00:30:58,234 --> 00:30:59,434
Thank you, Maureen.
584
00:31:02,164 --> 00:31:03,404
Little gift, Marty.
585
00:31:04,974 --> 00:31:09,014
Think of it as a Cardinal's guide to the city of Boston.
586
00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:17,894
CATHOLIC CHURCHCATECHISM
587
00:31:26,364 --> 00:31:29,244
- I'm here to see Sacha Pfeiffer.
- Your name?
588
00:31:29,264 --> 00:31:31,934
- Phil Saviano.
- Ok, just a minute.
589
00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:35,994
So, am I first survivor you talk to?
590
00:31:36,334 --> 00:31:38,984
- Yeah, sure you are.
- Ok, well...
591
00:31:40,004 --> 00:31:43,204
First of all, let me say thank you for having me in today.
592
00:31:44,014 --> 00:31:45,454
And I want you to know that you'll have...
593
00:31:45,454 --> 00:31:47,874
the full cooperation of my organization, SNAP.
594
00:31:48,214 --> 00:31:50,834
How many members are in your organization Phil?
595
00:31:50,864 --> 00:31:53,054
We had eleven at our last chapter meeting.
596
00:31:53,084 --> 00:31:55,604
No ten, Karen just moved.
597
00:31:55,684 --> 00:31:57,564
You had a woman in your group?
598
00:31:57,594 --> 00:31:58,954
Of course there was a woman,
599
00:31:58,964 --> 00:32:00,554
they don't discriminate, not when it comes to abuse.
600
00:32:00,764 --> 00:32:02,464
And this has nothing to do with being gay.
601
00:32:02,494 --> 00:32:05,204
What this is, is priest using the collar to rape kids.
602
00:32:05,694 --> 00:32:07,184
Kids, boys and girls.
603
00:32:11,894 --> 00:32:14,244
PHIL SAVIANO AGE 11
604
00:32:14,644 --> 00:32:16,034
I was 11.
605
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,034
And I was preyed upon by Father David Holly.
606
00:32:19,064 --> 00:32:20,064
In Worcester.
607
00:32:20,684 --> 00:32:23,094
And I don't mean prayed for, I mean preyed upon.
608
00:32:25,284 --> 00:32:26,594
Are any of you catholic?
609
00:32:26,824 --> 00:32:28,734
I was raised catholic,
610
00:32:28,734 --> 00:32:30,714
now I go to my wife's Presbyterian Church.
611
00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:35,174
I'm lapsed, I go to Church of my grandmother sometimes.
612
00:32:35,594 --> 00:32:39,074
It's safe to say we were all raised catholic, but now...
613
00:32:39,094 --> 00:32:40,204
Not so much.
614
00:32:40,234 --> 00:32:42,004
Ok, well let me tell you...
615
00:32:42,874 --> 00:32:45,394
When you are poor kid from a poor family,
616
00:32:45,424 --> 00:32:46,664
religion counts for a lot.
617
00:32:46,704 --> 00:32:49,764
And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal.
618
00:32:50,444 --> 00:32:51,954
He asks you to collect the hymnals
619
00:32:51,994 --> 00:32:54,004
or take out a trash, you feel special.
620
00:32:54,144 --> 00:32:56,454
It's like God asking for help.
621
00:32:56,754 --> 00:32:59,064
Maybe it's a little weird when he tells you a dirty joke...
622
00:32:59,124 --> 00:33:01,774
but now you got a secret together.
623
00:33:02,024 --> 00:33:03,434
So you go along.
624
00:33:04,054 --> 00:33:06,074
Then he shows you a porno mag.
625
00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:08,604
And then you go along, and you go along...
626
00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:09,934
And you go along.
627
00:33:09,964 --> 00:33:13,254
Until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blowjob.
628
00:33:13,274 --> 00:33:15,264
And so you go along with that too.
629
00:33:15,274 --> 00:33:18,764
Because you feel trapped, because he has groomed you.
630
00:33:20,004 --> 00:33:21,644
How do you say no to God, right?
631
00:33:22,294 --> 00:33:23,644
See...
632
00:33:24,714 --> 00:33:26,194
It is important to understand that this is not...
633
00:33:26,194 --> 00:33:28,684
just physical abuse, it's spirital abuse too.
634
00:33:29,714 --> 00:33:31,784
Then when a priest does this to you,
635
00:33:31,794 --> 00:33:33,784
he robs you of your faith.
636
00:33:34,784 --> 00:33:37,334
So you reach for the bottle, or the needle.
637
00:33:37,494 --> 00:33:39,294
Or if those don't work you jump of a bridge.
638
00:33:39,824 --> 00:33:41,414
That's why we call ourselves survivors.
639
00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:43,014
Have you read Jason Berry's book,
640
00:33:43,044 --> 00:33:45,234
he wrote about a Gauthe case in Louisiana.
641
00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:46,764
- That's G...
- G-a-u-t-h-e.
642
00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:49,654
I talked to Richard Sipe, he worked in one of...
643
00:33:49,684 --> 00:33:51,284
the Church's treatment center.
644
00:33:51,334 --> 00:33:54,464
He is an ex-priest. Married a nun.
645
00:33:55,604 --> 00:33:58,694
Yeah. This is his testimony from the Cass case.
646
00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:00,614
Phil, what's a treatment center?
647
00:34:00,714 --> 00:34:02,484
It's where they send priests when they get caught...
648
00:34:02,554 --> 00:34:03,744
this is all right here in the box.
649
00:34:03,754 --> 00:34:05,804
I sent this all to you guys 5 years ago.
650
00:34:06,354 --> 00:34:09,144
To The Globe? Who did you send it to?
651
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:12,314
I don't wanna say who,
652
00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:13,954
but they said that they weren't interested.
653
00:34:14,294 --> 00:34:17,004
- But Phil, We did run a couple stories on you, I saw them in the clips...
654
00:34:17,034 --> 00:34:20,134
Yeah, but to be completely frank it wasn't enough.
655
00:34:22,064 --> 00:34:24,114
You guys gotta understand.
656
00:34:24,464 --> 00:34:26,114
This is big.
657
00:34:26,134 --> 00:34:29,664
This is not just Boston, this is a whole country, it's a whole world.
658
00:34:30,214 --> 00:34:31,964
And it goes right up to the Vatican.
659
00:34:32,784 --> 00:34:35,584
- Do you have any proof ot that, Phil?
- No, not yet.
660
00:34:35,604 --> 00:34:37,324
But think about it, there are so many of them.
661
00:34:37,364 --> 00:34:39,334
How else could they have hidden it for so long?
662
00:34:39,354 --> 00:34:40,984
- So many what?
- Priests!
663
00:34:42,154 --> 00:34:46,674
Priests! I know 13 right here in Boston.
664
00:34:46,894 --> 00:34:50,264
You know 13 priest in Boston who have molested children?
665
00:34:50,454 --> 00:34:52,604
Yeah, why do you keep repeating everything I say?
666
00:34:53,234 --> 00:34:55,154
I just like to clarify things.
667
00:34:55,174 --> 00:34:57,154
Maybe you should've clarified it 5 years ago...
668
00:34:57,184 --> 00:34:59,104
when I sent you all of this stuff,
669
00:34:59,214 --> 00:35:01,104
It's all right here.
670
00:35:10,014 --> 00:35:13,094
- May I use your bathroom?
- Yeah, sure Phil.
671
00:35:13,284 --> 00:35:14,394
Come on.
672
00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:23,554
Well... What do you think?
673
00:35:24,534 --> 00:35:27,204
- The guy's got an agenda, that's for sure.
- You think?
674
00:35:27,224 --> 00:35:29,264
He's obviously been through a lot, but he's smart and...
675
00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:30,654
if he's right about thirteen priests...
676
00:35:30,674 --> 00:35:32,644
Yeah, and might be a big if with this guy.
677
00:35:32,684 --> 00:35:34,134
Do a background check on him.
678
00:35:34,214 --> 00:35:36,334
And follow up some of the other survivors of this group.
679
00:35:36,354 --> 00:35:38,164
I'll track down this ex-priest Sipe.
680
00:35:38,394 --> 00:35:41,044
Ok, but stay on Garabedian, that's more important.
681
00:35:41,444 --> 00:35:43,394
Garabedian, what a pain in the ass.
682
00:35:43,624 --> 00:35:45,584
You can be a pain in the ass, Mike.
683
00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:00,704
Mitchell, what a surprise. How are you?
684
00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:02,154
I'm fine Mr. Rezendes.
685
00:36:02,264 --> 00:36:04,054
Good, you know, I've never heard back from you...
686
00:36:04,144 --> 00:36:05,214
I left you a couple of messages.
687
00:36:05,234 --> 00:36:07,454
I know. I've been very busy, I don't have time for calls.
688
00:36:07,484 --> 00:36:09,334
Geez, I'm sure you don't. Listen, listen Mitch.
689
00:36:09,754 --> 00:36:11,384
Let me talk to the couple of victims.
690
00:36:11,654 --> 00:36:13,084
You can sit in on the interview...
691
00:36:13,114 --> 00:36:14,594
and if you're not happy, you can kill it.
692
00:36:14,624 --> 00:36:16,774
I spoke to my clients and they don't want to be in the press.
693
00:36:16,784 --> 00:36:17,584
I'm sorry.
694
00:36:17,614 --> 00:36:19,674
I get that, but I don't need to name their names.
695
00:36:20,324 --> 00:36:22,304
- I don't believe you Mr. Rezendes.
- I'm sure you don't.
696
00:36:22,324 --> 00:36:25,134
- Listen Mitchell.
- Mr. Rezendes, please...
697
00:36:25,164 --> 00:36:28,184
I'm not writing a profile here, I'm working on something bigger.
698
00:36:28,214 --> 00:36:29,894
Bigger? I don't know what that means.
699
00:36:30,364 --> 00:36:32,854
I'm not supposed to tell you this but I'm digging a run for Spotlight.
700
00:36:35,204 --> 00:36:36,064
Spotlight is on this?
701
00:36:36,104 --> 00:36:38,004
Yeah, we're looking into it but you gotta help me.
702
00:36:38,804 --> 00:36:41,324
You gotta let me talk to some of these victims, please.
703
00:36:44,674 --> 00:36:45,674
Please.
704
00:36:49,184 --> 00:36:52,474
- Come back tomorrow at 9:30 a.m.
- Thank you.
705
00:37:06,034 --> 00:37:07,364
- Ms. Pfeiffer.
- Joe.
706
00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:08,154
Hi.
707
00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:09,564
- Shit.
- That's ok.
708
00:37:09,584 --> 00:37:11,944
- I'm sorry. Please sit.
- No problem. Thank you.
709
00:37:12,374 --> 00:37:15,014
- Is this table ok?
- This is perfect.
710
00:37:15,904 --> 00:37:19,614
I had a muffin while I was waiting, two actually.
711
00:37:20,414 --> 00:37:21,754
I eat when I'm nervous.
712
00:37:21,784 --> 00:37:23,094
I did that too actually.
713
00:37:23,814 --> 00:37:27,524
I hope I'm not late. Phil told me one o'clock.
714
00:37:27,554 --> 00:37:31,234
No, you're fine. I got here early. About an hour.
715
00:37:34,394 --> 00:37:37,324
Would you mind if I took some notes? Would that be alright?
716
00:37:42,704 --> 00:37:44,944
You don't mind if I take some notes, do you?
717
00:37:44,974 --> 00:37:46,494
You got to use my name?
718
00:37:46,524 --> 00:37:47,524
No.
719
00:37:48,674 --> 00:37:49,884
I'm not if you don't want me to, no.
720
00:37:50,164 --> 00:37:53,714
I just had a kid, he's only 1...
721
00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:55,954
but I'm not sure I want him to know about this.
722
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,554
Sure, I get that.
723
00:37:57,584 --> 00:37:59,764
You can stop this interview at any time Patrick.
724
00:38:00,184 --> 00:38:01,274
- Alright?
- Ok.
725
00:38:01,364 --> 00:38:02,374
Alright.
726
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:07,874
- You go ahead with your notes.
- Ok, so...
727
00:38:10,694 --> 00:38:13,324
Where did you live when it first happened?
728
00:38:13,354 --> 00:38:15,694
In the Projects, over in Hyde Park.
729
00:38:16,164 --> 00:38:20,134
- Over by the Stop & Shop?
- Yeah, you know it?
730
00:38:20,704 --> 00:38:24,454
Yeah, I drove a cab for a few years. Opens early, bad coffee, right?
731
00:38:25,344 --> 00:38:26,664
Yeah, I guess.
732
00:38:28,684 --> 00:38:31,224
How old were you, when it happened?
733
00:38:31,264 --> 00:38:33,024
I was 12.
734
00:38:34,264 --> 00:38:36,024
Just after my dad killed himself.
735
00:38:36,754 --> 00:38:39,724
- Oh, geez.
- He was a real piece of shit.
736
00:38:40,464 --> 00:38:42,764
And my mom she wasn't so stable either.
737
00:38:43,264 --> 00:38:45,024
- How do you mean?
- I mean she was nuts.
738
00:38:45,194 --> 00:38:48,374
- She was schizophrenic.
- Same shit.
739
00:38:51,074 --> 00:38:54,574
When did you first meet Geoghan?
740
00:38:54,614 --> 00:38:58,084
Well, my sister... she saw him over at the Dunkin' Donuts...
741
00:38:58,714 --> 00:39:01,724
tells him about my old man passing and he rushed right over.
742
00:39:01,944 --> 00:39:04,334
And there was this nun sister Barbara, and she ran this group...
743
00:39:04,354 --> 00:39:05,874
for kids from troubled families.
744
00:39:07,154 --> 00:39:10,144
- Where is that?
- St. Ambrose in Dorchester.
745
00:39:10,174 --> 00:39:11,444
Ok.
746
00:39:12,324 --> 00:39:14,534
She's the one who introduced me to Father Shanley.
747
00:39:16,194 --> 00:39:20,414
He was a street priest, long hair, very hip.
748
00:39:21,804 --> 00:39:24,904
- He invited me to his apartment in Back Bay.
- Where in Back Bay?
749
00:39:24,934 --> 00:39:28,094
- Beacon street.
- Beacon, ok.
750
00:39:28,204 --> 00:39:29,544
Are you from here?
751
00:39:29,584 --> 00:39:33,054
No, I grew up in Ohio, but my mom is from Southie.
752
00:39:33,084 --> 00:39:36,164
So you get it. I've never even seen Back Bay.
753
00:39:38,014 --> 00:39:40,704
So, what happened on that first visit Joe?
754
00:39:41,684 --> 00:39:45,454
Well it was very nice at first. Very funny. Very casual.
755
00:39:46,864 --> 00:39:49,744
And I think he could tell I was gay.
756
00:39:49,784 --> 00:39:52,324
So he showed me this mobile he had,
757
00:39:52,384 --> 00:39:53,624
like over a baby's crib?
758
00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:56,484
But with different words,
759
00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:59,484
homosexual, transexual, bisexual...
760
00:39:59,744 --> 00:40:02,754
Ok. And did you know that you were gay at that time, Joe?
761
00:40:03,274 --> 00:40:06,674
Yes, but that wasn't information I'm sharing with anybody.
762
00:40:06,774 --> 00:40:07,964
Not in Dorchester.
763
00:40:09,414 --> 00:40:10,664
Ok.
764
00:40:10,914 --> 00:40:14,064
So, what happened afterhe showed you the mobile?
765
00:40:14,094 --> 00:40:15,554
Well, I was a little freaked out.
766
00:40:17,024 --> 00:40:18,474
I think he could tell...
767
00:40:19,524 --> 00:40:20,974
So he said, you know what will help...
768
00:40:20,994 --> 00:40:23,024
is if we play strip poker.
769
00:40:24,934 --> 00:40:26,474
Of course I lost.
770
00:40:28,104 --> 00:40:29,834
And things went on from there.
771
00:40:31,374 --> 00:40:33,384
Can you tell me specifically what happened?
772
00:40:35,074 --> 00:40:38,474
Specifically... He molested me.
773
00:40:42,384 --> 00:40:46,074
Joe, I think that the language is going to be so important here.
774
00:40:46,654 --> 00:40:49,854
We can't sanitize this, just saying 'molest' isn't enough.
775
00:40:50,094 --> 00:40:52,784
People need to know what actually happened.
776
00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:58,424
- We should probably get these to go.
- Right.
777
00:40:58,494 --> 00:41:01,064
Geoghan shows up and my mom, you know she's...
778
00:41:02,164 --> 00:41:04,114
She's thrilled. And...
779
00:41:05,034 --> 00:41:07,054
this was like God showing up, you know?
780
00:41:07,084 --> 00:41:08,084
Sure, right.
781
00:41:08,474 --> 00:41:09,724
So what happened then?
782
00:41:13,074 --> 00:41:15,094
You really wanna hear this shit?
783
00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:16,414
Yeah, yeah Patrick, I do.
784
00:41:25,194 --> 00:41:26,964
He offers to take me to get icecream.
785
00:41:27,524 --> 00:41:30,104
He's a priest. I'm a kid so I go.
786
00:41:31,024 --> 00:41:31,864
Sure.
787
00:41:32,834 --> 00:41:34,964
So we're driving home, and he...
788
00:41:37,674 --> 00:41:39,284
He starts patting my leg.
789
00:41:41,504 --> 00:41:42,744
You know, then...
790
00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:48,034
His hand just slides right up and...
791
00:41:48,064 --> 00:41:50,804
he grabs my dick, alright?
792
00:41:51,414 --> 00:41:53,514
I just froze up, I was fuckin' petrified...
793
00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:54,784
I couldn't move.
794
00:41:56,084 --> 00:41:58,044
I didn't know what to do, I was just a little kid.
795
00:42:00,444 --> 00:42:01,584
Yeah.
796
00:42:06,394 --> 00:42:08,294
You know I never even touched my icecream.
797
00:42:09,004 --> 00:42:10,604
Just melted down my arm.
798
00:42:17,664 --> 00:42:19,054
Did you... hm?
799
00:42:20,194 --> 00:42:21,604
Did you see him again after that?
800
00:42:27,854 --> 00:42:29,054
Yeah.
801
00:42:32,394 --> 00:42:36,224
Alright, that's good, let's stop there for now.
802
00:42:36,254 --> 00:42:37,254
Sure.
803
00:42:37,494 --> 00:42:40,784
He said he was a way to make me more comfortable with my body.
804
00:42:42,164 --> 00:42:43,994
So, what happened after that?
805
00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:47,784
He took off his clothes and he said I've been so depressed,
806
00:42:47,904 --> 00:42:50,084
but maybe you can cheer me up and give a blowjob.
807
00:42:51,044 --> 00:42:52,334
Classic guy!
808
00:42:54,314 --> 00:42:56,034
- And did you?
- Yeah.
809
00:42:57,514 --> 00:42:58,944
I know what you must be thinking, like...
810
00:42:58,974 --> 00:43:00,334
why would I ever do that?
811
00:43:00,824 --> 00:43:03,294
With some creepy guy who's 30 years older than me, but...
812
00:43:03,994 --> 00:43:06,714
But you have to understand this was the first time in my life
813
00:43:06,764 --> 00:43:08,974
that someone told me that it was okay to be gay.
814
00:43:09,464 --> 00:43:10,764
And it was a priest.
815
00:43:13,034 --> 00:43:14,294
So you had oral sex?
816
00:43:14,414 --> 00:43:16,254
Did you have intercourse?
817
00:43:17,174 --> 00:43:20,054
Yes, not then, but later.
818
00:43:22,574 --> 00:43:23,934
It really messed me up.
819
00:43:25,344 --> 00:43:28,344
I'm sober now, but that, that was the beginning of it all.
820
00:43:30,954 --> 00:43:32,684
It's very confusing, you know?
821
00:43:33,924 --> 00:43:36,094
To be introduced to sex like that and then,
822
00:43:36,924 --> 00:43:40,004
and then to be attracted to men.
823
00:43:43,024 --> 00:43:46,084
I'm sorry. I knew I was gonna do this. Oh I'm sorry.
824
00:43:46,134 --> 00:43:48,504
Don't be sorry. It's ok Joe, it's ok.
825
00:43:49,364 --> 00:43:51,004
Of course, there is a Church right there.
826
00:43:51,494 --> 00:43:52,494
And a playground.
827
00:43:53,844 --> 00:43:55,994
Joe, did you ever try and tell anyone?
828
00:43:56,214 --> 00:43:57,684
Like who, a priest?
829
00:43:59,944 --> 00:44:01,254
Can I use your phone?
830
00:44:01,944 --> 00:44:03,254
Yeah, sure, you know where it is.
831
00:44:04,354 --> 00:44:06,524
You can use my name if you want.
832
00:44:07,224 --> 00:44:08,274
Thanks, Patrick.
833
00:44:09,484 --> 00:44:11,834
Don't thank me, just get this assholes, will ya?
834
00:44:18,234 --> 00:44:19,764
He's one of the lucky ones.
835
00:44:21,164 --> 00:44:22,604
He is still alive.
836
00:44:31,444 --> 00:44:34,394
- Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha?
- I'm ok nana. Thanks.
837
00:44:38,284 --> 00:44:39,964
- Hello?
- Hi, Joe, it's Sacha Pfeiffer.
838
00:44:40,254 --> 00:44:42,294
- Hi Sacha, how are you?
- I'm good, thanks.
839
00:44:43,494 --> 00:44:46,034
Listen, Joe, I just want a follow up on one thing.
840
00:44:46,794 --> 00:44:48,994
You talked to Phil Saviano about all of this, right?
841
00:44:49,064 --> 00:44:51,404
Yeah, I did, I went to a couple of SNAP meetings.
842
00:44:51,834 --> 00:44:54,634
And did Phil ever suggest you to do anything about it?
843
00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:57,164
No, the meetings weren't really about that.
844
00:44:57,194 --> 00:44:59,594
I mean, a couple of them had gone to a lawyer but.
845
00:44:59,604 --> 00:45:02,124
- I didn't think it was worth it.
- Why not?
846
00:45:02,774 --> 00:45:05,414
There were just so many forms to fill out, it was overwhelming, you know.
847
00:45:05,874 --> 00:45:08,404
And he said he could only get me a small settlement, so...
848
00:45:08,484 --> 00:45:10,864
- Who said that?
- The lawyer told me that.
849
00:45:11,784 --> 00:45:14,254
So, you did go and see a lawyer?
850
00:45:15,254 --> 00:45:17,644
Yeah, but I didn't end up using him, so...
851
00:45:17,794 --> 00:45:19,914
I didn't think it was important, I'm sorry.
852
00:45:20,024 --> 00:45:22,674
- I'm not trying to hide anything.
- No, I know, Joe.
853
00:45:23,324 --> 00:45:25,274
Do you remember his name? The lawyer?
854
00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:28,174
No, but maybe Phil would know?
855
00:45:28,664 --> 00:45:30,864
The guy was on TV a lot during the Porter case.
856
00:45:31,204 --> 00:45:32,214
He was handsome.
857
00:45:32,904 --> 00:45:36,224
- Was it Eric Macleish?
- Yeah, that's him. Macleish.
858
00:45:36,674 --> 00:45:38,254
I thought he was very handsome.
859
00:45:41,974 --> 00:45:43,464
- Hey.
- Hey.
860
00:45:43,784 --> 00:45:44,774
I was just in a newsroom...
861
00:45:44,814 --> 00:45:46,914
Jugde Sweeney set a date for the hearing.
862
00:45:47,184 --> 00:45:49,984
- Really, when?
- In two weeks, in Springfield.
863
00:45:50,394 --> 00:45:52,834
Canellos started a pool of 10 bucks to get in.
864
00:45:53,224 --> 00:45:54,364
Anyone picking The Globe?
865
00:45:54,874 --> 00:45:57,664
He's only taking best if how fast Sweeney rules against us.
866
00:45:59,464 --> 00:46:01,094
- Robby.
- Hi, it's me.
867
00:46:01,164 --> 00:46:02,614
- Did you got my message?
- I did.
868
00:46:02,704 --> 00:46:04,704
Looks like Father Shanley could be our fourth priest.
869
00:46:04,834 --> 00:46:06,154
Yeah, I think he is.
870
00:46:06,184 --> 00:46:08,154
Did you follow up on Macleish?
871
00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:10,024
I just talked with Phil, he said Macleish...
872
00:46:10,064 --> 00:46:11,554
dealt with a number of this cases.
873
00:46:11,674 --> 00:46:13,954
- I guess he forgot to mention that.
- Yeah.
874
00:46:14,484 --> 00:46:16,164
I'm gonna go to the courthouse tomorrow, see if I can...
875
00:46:16,174 --> 00:46:18,204
find any cases he settled against the Church.
876
00:46:18,954 --> 00:46:20,344
Alright, call me after you do.
877
00:46:20,624 --> 00:46:22,394
- Good night.
- Ok, good night.
878
00:46:25,494 --> 00:46:26,494
Hey.
879
00:46:27,124 --> 00:46:28,494
You wanted to chat?
880
00:46:28,524 --> 00:46:30,434
Yeah, I'm late for dinner, you wanna walk me out?
881
00:46:30,494 --> 00:46:31,494
Sure.
882
00:46:32,934 --> 00:46:35,184
Jesus, does this guy ever go home?
883
00:46:35,234 --> 00:46:36,084
Apparently not.
884
00:46:36,974 --> 00:46:38,354
I got guys who won't leave untill he does,
885
00:46:38,374 --> 00:46:40,154
he's wearing out the goddamn newsroom.
886
00:46:40,904 --> 00:46:42,084
Where are we on Geoghan?
887
00:46:42,604 --> 00:46:44,084
Following up with more victims.
888
00:46:44,844 --> 00:46:47,364
- Hey I want to expend the investigation.
- Why?
889
00:46:47,584 --> 00:46:50,334
We got fourth priest, it might be as many as 13.
890
00:46:50,754 --> 00:46:51,974
- 13?
- Yeah.
891
00:46:53,084 --> 00:46:55,024
- Who's your source?
- Phil Saviano.
892
00:46:55,424 --> 00:46:57,244
Oh, Jesus Christ Robby, I told Mike...
893
00:46:57,254 --> 00:46:57,804
I know, I know.
894
00:46:57,824 --> 00:47:00,174
I know, I think Saviano might be legit, Ben.
895
00:47:01,694 --> 00:47:02,964
You want to elaborate on that?
896
00:47:03,194 --> 00:47:04,964
No, not really.
897
00:47:06,234 --> 00:47:09,004
It just feels like this thing is stacking up. He's my guy.
898
00:47:12,604 --> 00:47:15,144
- Ok.
- Ok, good, thank you.
899
00:47:25,214 --> 00:47:26,214
Hello?
900
00:47:26,654 --> 00:47:29,494
- Mr. Rezendes?
- Yeah, who is this?
901
00:47:29,884 --> 00:47:31,134
It's Richard Sipe.
902
00:47:31,704 --> 00:47:33,504
Oh, yeah, hey Richard, how are you?
903
00:47:33,564 --> 00:47:34,564
I'm good.
904
00:47:34,624 --> 00:47:35,914
Thanks for calling.
905
00:47:36,094 --> 00:47:38,714
Look... Phil Saviano gave me your name,
906
00:47:39,034 --> 00:47:41,194
I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions?
907
00:47:41,234 --> 00:47:42,664
- Of course, yeah.
- Great.
908
00:47:43,134 --> 00:47:46,284
So, Phil told me that you were working at one of...
909
00:47:46,314 --> 00:47:48,474
The Church's treatment centers in Baltimore?
910
00:47:48,604 --> 00:47:51,654
Yes, the Seton Psychiatric Institute.
911
00:47:51,774 --> 00:47:53,474
It was run by the Daughters of Charity.
912
00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:54,544
And...
913
00:47:55,314 --> 00:47:56,394
When was that, Richard?
914
00:47:57,154 --> 00:48:01,054
Well, I started my psychotherapy fellowship there in 1965.
915
00:48:02,084 --> 00:48:04,764
And I was there for 5 years, then I spend the next 30...
916
00:48:05,094 --> 00:48:07,644
studying abusive priests and their victims.
917
00:48:07,674 --> 00:48:08,674
Really?
918
00:48:08,924 --> 00:48:11,144
And that's been your sole focus?
919
00:48:11,694 --> 00:48:14,464
Look Mike, the Church wants us to believe that...
920
00:48:14,504 --> 00:48:16,284
it's just a few bad apples.
921
00:48:16,314 --> 00:48:18,064
It's much bigger problem than that.
922
00:48:18,234 --> 00:48:19,424
How much bigger, Richard?
923
00:48:19,454 --> 00:48:21,624
Well, based on the research...
924
00:48:22,104 --> 00:48:25,434
I would classify it as a recognizable psychiatric phenomenon.
925
00:48:26,584 --> 00:48:27,654
That's big?
926
00:48:33,424 --> 00:48:34,784
- Hey, Mac.
- Hey.
927
00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:37,054
If I wanted historical data on a priest,
928
00:48:37,074 --> 00:48:39,764
parishes he'd been assigned to, where would I find it?
929
00:48:40,054 --> 00:48:42,724
The Geoghan case? It's all in clips. Lisa has the source material.
930
00:48:43,024 --> 00:48:45,484
Yeah, what if it was for another priest? The one that hadn't been in the papers.
931
00:48:45,594 --> 00:48:47,914
- Looking at another priest?
- Who're you looking at?
932
00:48:48,864 --> 00:48:49,654
Any ideas?
933
00:48:49,884 --> 00:48:51,934
Come on, Matt. You're not gonna tell me?
934
00:48:53,174 --> 00:48:54,464
I gotta get to a meeting. Thanks Mac.
935
00:48:54,554 --> 00:48:55,554
Hey, Steve.
936
00:48:57,514 --> 00:48:59,494
The Archdioceses puts out the annual directory.
937
00:48:59,514 --> 00:49:00,944
Every priest in parish.
938
00:49:00,984 --> 00:49:04,804
That's great. This go back any further than '98?
939
00:49:04,884 --> 00:49:06,614
Oh yeah. They go back to the 80's in the Mez.
940
00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:08,044
Beyond that, you gotta go to the BPL.
941
00:49:08,724 --> 00:49:10,784
- In the Mez. Thanks, Lisa.
- Bye.
942
00:49:12,494 --> 00:49:14,214
He said they all target the same kinda kid.
943
00:49:14,824 --> 00:49:17,144
Low income families, absentee fathers...
944
00:49:17,174 --> 00:49:18,174
broken homes.
945
00:49:18,664 --> 00:49:21,794
For guy like Geoghan, goes after boys, not because he prefers them...
946
00:49:21,864 --> 00:49:24,524
but because they are more ashamed, less likely to talk.
947
00:49:26,274 --> 00:49:27,754
And these guys are predators, Robby.
948
00:49:28,204 --> 00:49:29,204
I talked to Sipe.
949
00:49:29,234 --> 00:49:31,694
Sipe says he saw dozens of them in the 60's at Seton.
950
00:49:33,684 --> 00:49:35,544
- Why didn't he go public?
- He did.
951
00:49:35,684 --> 00:49:37,774
But the Church made a huge effort to discredit him.
952
00:49:37,954 --> 00:49:40,924
Smear campaigns. Public statements by prominent Bishops.
953
00:49:41,724 --> 00:49:44,424
It's just like Saviano said. And Garabedian.
954
00:49:44,494 --> 00:49:47,004
- You get anywhere with him?
- More victims.
955
00:49:47,624 --> 00:49:48,664
More victims?
956
00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:50,084
You can't empty his pockets?
957
00:49:50,104 --> 00:49:51,464
I'll get him. I just need more time.
958
00:49:51,934 --> 00:49:54,744
- Come on, Mike, you gotta get him.
- I'll get him, I'll get him.
959
00:49:58,334 --> 00:49:59,704
Jesus, what the hell is that smell?
960
00:49:59,774 --> 00:50:01,574
There's a dead rat in the corner.
961
00:50:02,344 --> 00:50:03,584
What have you got?
962
00:50:03,644 --> 00:50:04,564
Church directories.
963
00:50:04,644 --> 00:50:06,254
It's every priest in Massachusetts.
964
00:50:06,514 --> 00:50:08,784
- What parish they were assaigned to?
- Is it official?
965
00:50:08,814 --> 00:50:10,234
Yeah, I figure it would help us track down some...
966
00:50:10,274 --> 00:50:12,014
of the priests that Saviano mentioned.
967
00:50:12,154 --> 00:50:13,474
Maybe find some more victims.
968
00:50:13,524 --> 00:50:14,844
Can we turn on some more light in here?
969
00:50:14,884 --> 00:50:16,784
I couldn't find the switch. Do you want to borrow my glasses?
970
00:50:16,854 --> 00:50:19,434
- No, I'm good, I'm good.
- Look, look 1983.
971
00:50:19,924 --> 00:50:22,034
John Geoghan, St. Brendan Parish Dorchester.
972
00:50:22,594 --> 00:50:23,744
So, so we can find out...
973
00:50:23,784 --> 00:50:25,244
where any priest is at any given year?
974
00:50:25,264 --> 00:50:26,554
Yeah, I got him here.
975
00:50:29,264 --> 00:50:30,114
What?
976
00:50:30,134 --> 00:50:32,454
1980, the year Geoghan was pulled from JP.
977
00:50:32,474 --> 00:50:33,804
It says he's on sick leave.
978
00:50:33,874 --> 00:50:35,424
Come on, it really says that?
979
00:50:37,214 --> 00:50:39,644
Where is 1991?
980
00:50:39,974 --> 00:50:42,574
- Yeah, here.
- Let's see this.
981
00:50:42,584 --> 00:50:45,964
Barrett, Barrett, Liam. I can't read this, look for Liam Barrett there.
982
00:50:46,554 --> 00:50:49,504
1991's the year they pulled him out of Charlestown.
983
00:50:51,654 --> 00:50:52,654
Barrett, Liam?
984
00:50:53,824 --> 00:50:54,824
Yeah.
985
00:50:55,094 --> 00:50:56,094
Sick leave.
986
00:50:56,934 --> 00:50:58,504
That's an official designation.
987
00:51:00,564 --> 00:51:01,884
Get this upstairs.
988
00:51:02,604 --> 00:51:03,604
And Matt, check...
989
00:51:03,644 --> 00:51:05,324
the priests Saviano gave us. Robby.
990
00:51:05,704 --> 00:51:07,194
- I'm at the Court House.
- Yeah.
991
00:51:07,944 --> 00:51:09,094
Something's not right here.
992
00:51:09,134 --> 00:51:10,954
Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha.
993
00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:12,124
Ok, thanks.
994
00:51:12,834 --> 00:51:14,604
Yeah, we need to go talk to Macleish again.
995
00:51:14,634 --> 00:51:15,634
Really? Why?
996
00:51:15,984 --> 00:51:17,254
There's nothing here.
997
00:51:17,494 --> 00:51:19,254
There aren't any records...
998
00:51:24,394 --> 00:51:26,944
Thanks for waiting, so sorry guys. Stuck in a call.
999
00:51:26,994 --> 00:51:28,654
- Not a problem, how are you?
- Good.
1000
00:51:28,694 --> 00:51:31,214
- Thanks for meeting us.
- You bet. What's up guys?
1001
00:51:31,534 --> 00:51:34,624
Mr. Macleish, are you familiar with the priest named Paul Shinley?
1002
00:51:35,234 --> 00:51:36,654
Yes, I am familiar with him.
1003
00:51:38,774 --> 00:51:40,754
And have you settled cases against Father Shinley?
1004
00:51:41,904 --> 00:51:44,814
As I'm sure you can understand, I can't...
1005
00:51:44,844 --> 00:51:46,454
discuss that with you.
1006
00:51:46,914 --> 00:51:50,474
Yeah, how about Father Ronald Paquin?
1007
00:51:51,014 --> 00:51:53,554
Well, I can't discuss that with you either. Come on, guys.
1008
00:51:55,684 --> 00:51:58,354
We understand you've settled several cases against each of them.
1009
00:51:58,654 --> 00:52:01,314
Even if I'd been involved in those cases,
1010
00:52:01,364 --> 00:52:03,454
the settlements would be confidential.
1011
00:52:03,494 --> 00:52:06,134
And I can be disbarred for acknowledging their existence.
1012
00:52:06,964 --> 00:52:07,964
Ok?
1013
00:52:09,004 --> 00:52:11,094
Look, I told you guys, these are tough cases.
1014
00:52:12,634 --> 00:52:15,784
Most of these folks, they just want some acknowledgement...
1015
00:52:16,174 --> 00:52:17,624
of what happened.
1016
00:52:17,674 --> 00:52:19,544
We got them a sit-down with the bishop and
1017
00:52:19,554 --> 00:52:21,954
a little dough, and that's the best they can hope for.
1018
00:52:22,484 --> 00:52:26,464
Well, certainly the best the priest could hope for.
1019
00:52:27,624 --> 00:52:28,694
No, the Church promises to take...
1020
00:52:28,734 --> 00:52:30,294
the priest out of circulation.
1021
00:52:30,854 --> 00:52:32,384
And did you follow up on that?
1022
00:52:38,234 --> 00:52:40,634
- You guys need anything else?
- Yes.
1023
00:52:41,064 --> 00:52:42,524
Why aren't there any records?
1024
00:52:42,724 --> 00:52:44,214
I was down at the Court House earlier,
1025
00:52:44,254 --> 00:52:46,534
there aren't any records of any of these settlements.
1026
00:52:49,344 --> 00:52:51,594
We dealt directly with the Church.
1027
00:52:52,914 --> 00:52:56,274
We'd draw up a demand letter and we'd send it to the chancery.
1028
00:52:57,654 --> 00:52:59,274
You never filed anything in Court?
1029
00:52:59,654 --> 00:53:02,414
- It's a private mediation.
- So...
1030
00:53:02,684 --> 00:53:05,514
this is just you and the Archdiocese lawyers...
1031
00:53:06,744 --> 00:53:09,414
- In a room?
- Correct.
1032
00:53:10,324 --> 00:53:11,324
Anyone else?
1033
00:53:11,834 --> 00:53:15,044
Occasionally the Church would bring in another defence attorney to help out.
1034
00:53:15,664 --> 00:53:18,314
- You know names?
- No.
1035
00:53:19,174 --> 00:53:20,454
No I don't.
1036
00:53:21,404 --> 00:53:22,944
So this was all under the table.
1037
00:53:22,974 --> 00:53:24,534
There's no paper trail, at all.
1038
00:53:25,044 --> 00:53:26,354
The victim has to sign the confidentiality...
1039
00:53:26,364 --> 00:53:28,104
agreement to get the settlement.
1040
00:53:28,344 --> 00:53:29,934
The lawyer takes his third and...
1041
00:53:29,964 --> 00:53:31,174
the Church sweeps it under the rug.
1042
00:53:31,224 --> 00:53:32,304
Jesus, that's freaking racket.
1043
00:53:32,414 --> 00:53:33,824
It's more complicated than that.
1044
00:53:34,154 --> 00:53:35,804
Macleish has got the duty to client...
1045
00:53:35,804 --> 00:53:36,974
to get the best deal he can.
1046
00:53:37,194 --> 00:53:38,874
Sure, but how many victims...
1047
00:53:38,884 --> 00:53:41,454
do you represent and profit from, before you say someting?
1048
00:53:41,484 --> 00:53:42,934
Garabedian would say none.
1049
00:53:43,724 --> 00:53:45,714
And that's why he's taking these cases to Court.
1050
00:53:45,734 --> 00:53:47,304
Because he wants people to know about this.
1051
00:53:47,334 --> 00:53:48,334
I agree.
1052
00:53:48,534 --> 00:53:50,584
And legal ethics aside, Ben, I mean...
1053
00:53:50,874 --> 00:53:52,324
operating the way Macleish has,
1054
00:53:52,364 --> 00:53:54,584
all the guarantee is that abuse stays under wraps.
1055
00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:58,864
Yeah, did Macleish confirm all Saviano's priests?
1056
00:53:58,944 --> 00:54:00,294
No, he is...
1057
00:54:00,344 --> 00:54:03,384
limited by his confidentiality agreement.
1058
00:54:03,714 --> 00:54:06,084
But clearly he settles cases against a number of them.
1059
00:54:06,384 --> 00:54:08,704
Phil's put me in touch with some of the other victims,
1060
00:54:08,804 --> 00:54:11,154
I'm pretty confident all of his priests are going to check out.
1061
00:54:11,994 --> 00:54:14,344
- So there's 13 priests?
- Yeah.
1062
00:54:14,364 --> 00:54:15,554
Looks that way.
1063
00:54:17,364 --> 00:54:18,404
Holy shit!
1064
00:54:21,264 --> 00:54:23,124
Ok, keep going.
1065
00:54:24,554 --> 00:54:26,314
CATHOLIC CHARITIES GALA Guest List
1066
00:54:26,574 --> 00:54:28,814
I'm sorry, what was the name again?
1067
00:54:30,074 --> 00:54:31,094
Baron.
1068
00:54:32,574 --> 00:54:34,814
B-A-L-U-N
B-A-R-O-N.
1069
00:54:35,884 --> 00:54:38,804
I'm having trouble finding it, just give me a second.
1070
00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:40,914
It's ok Kim, I can vouch for him.
1071
00:54:41,554 --> 00:54:43,944
I'm Pete Conley, I'm on the Board of Catholic Charities.
1072
00:54:44,294 --> 00:54:46,094
Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron.
1073
00:54:46,594 --> 00:54:48,294
- Thank you.
- Appreciate you joining us.
1074
00:54:49,164 --> 00:54:51,644
We're very proud of the work we do here at Boston.
1075
00:54:52,564 --> 00:54:54,604
Oh, the Cardinal said you had a nice visit.
1076
00:54:55,234 --> 00:54:57,674
- Yes. We did.
- He's an extraordinary man.
1077
00:54:58,234 --> 00:55:00,124
I'm glad you had a chance to chat.
1078
00:55:14,024 --> 00:55:15,294
Enjoying yourself?
1079
00:55:17,554 --> 00:55:20,524
To be honest, these events aren't really my strong suit.
1080
00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:23,424
- Yeah.
- Are you involved with The Charity?
1081
00:55:23,824 --> 00:55:25,344
Not directly, no.
1082
00:55:25,394 --> 00:55:26,844
Some of my friends are, we all went to...
1083
00:55:27,054 --> 00:55:29,454
highschool, BC High, that's a...
1084
00:55:30,064 --> 00:55:31,784
school across the street from The Globe.
1085
00:55:31,814 --> 00:55:33,504
- It's hard to miss.
- Yeah.
1086
00:55:34,474 --> 00:55:36,174
Hard to get away from too, apparently.
1087
00:55:39,014 --> 00:55:43,504
The Cardinal is in the corner, if you're so inclined.
1088
00:55:43,544 --> 00:55:45,334
- We've met.
- Really?
1089
00:55:45,684 --> 00:55:47,374
Did he mentioned the suit?
1090
00:55:47,824 --> 00:55:50,534
No, but he did give me a copy of cathecism.
1091
00:55:51,454 --> 00:55:54,294
Yeah, well, the Cardinal is not known for his subtlety.
1092
00:55:54,724 --> 00:55:57,054
During the Porter investigation, he'd literally...
1093
00:55:57,134 --> 00:55:59,394
call down the power of God on the Globe.
1094
00:56:00,034 --> 00:56:01,424
How that got out?
1095
00:56:02,604 --> 00:56:05,464
A week later our editor broke his leg skiing.
1096
00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:08,634
Shrimp toast, gentlemen?
1097
00:56:09,004 --> 00:56:10,994
No, thanks. Thanks.
1098
00:56:12,474 --> 00:56:14,254
You said there was a victim who filed
1099
00:56:14,284 --> 00:56:15,564
a criminal complaint?
1100
00:56:16,184 --> 00:56:17,624
Yeah, there were a few of them.
1101
00:56:19,314 --> 00:56:20,764
But the Judge had the case reconciled...
1102
00:56:20,794 --> 00:56:23,194
after friends of the Church complained.
1103
00:56:23,524 --> 00:56:24,994
And the Church has a lot of friends.
1104
00:56:25,224 --> 00:56:26,244
Like Eric Macleish?
1105
00:56:27,964 --> 00:56:30,474
Yeah. Let's just say...
1106
00:56:31,234 --> 00:56:32,414
he is not part of the solution.
1107
00:56:32,464 --> 00:56:34,434
- You follow what I'm saying.
- Sure.
1108
00:56:35,264 --> 00:56:36,534
You work hard Mr. Rezendes.
1109
00:56:36,604 --> 00:56:37,724
Are you married?
1110
00:56:38,884 --> 00:56:39,854
Yeah.
1111
00:56:39,874 --> 00:56:41,414
And your wife doesn't mind you working all the time?
1112
00:56:41,704 --> 00:56:42,784
Yeah, she does.
1113
00:56:45,214 --> 00:56:46,374
That's why I never got married.
1114
00:56:47,214 --> 00:56:48,304
To busy.
1115
00:56:48,784 --> 00:56:50,424
What I do is to important.
1116
00:56:54,824 --> 00:56:56,534
Your new editor, he's a Jew right?
1117
00:56:57,994 --> 00:56:59,904
- That's right, yeah.
- Well, see...
1118
00:57:00,494 --> 00:57:01,844
He comes in,
1119
00:57:01,864 --> 00:57:03,794
and suddenly everybody is interested in the Church.
1120
00:57:03,864 --> 00:57:05,734
- You know why?
- No.
1121
00:57:05,864 --> 00:57:07,734
Because it takes the outsider.
1122
00:57:08,104 --> 00:57:10,584
Like me. I'm Armenian.
1123
00:57:11,374 --> 00:57:13,304
How many Armenians do you know in Boston?
1124
00:57:14,444 --> 00:57:16,204
Steve Kurkjian, works at The Globe.
1125
00:57:16,904 --> 00:57:20,134
That's two. You should get a prize or something.
1126
00:57:20,984 --> 00:57:23,504
- What are you, Italian?
- No, I'm Portugese.
1127
00:57:24,554 --> 00:57:27,134
- From where?
- East Boston.
1128
00:57:28,624 --> 00:57:30,714
Really? East Boston?
1129
00:57:32,594 --> 00:57:33,894
You don't sound like it.
1130
00:57:40,364 --> 00:57:41,574
This city.
1131
00:57:42,264 --> 00:57:43,374
This people.
1132
00:57:44,934 --> 00:57:47,094
Making the rest of us feel like we don't belong.
1133
00:57:48,104 --> 00:57:49,424
But they're no better than us.
1134
00:57:50,004 --> 00:57:51,764
Look at how they treat their children.
1135
00:57:54,144 --> 00:57:56,094
Mark my words Mr. Rezendes,
1136
00:57:56,384 --> 00:57:58,144
if it takes a village to raise a child,
1137
00:57:58,454 --> 00:58:00,234
it takes a village to abuse one.
1138
00:58:04,824 --> 00:58:06,394
- Hey, there he is.
- Hey.
1139
00:58:06,454 --> 00:58:08,014
- You want a beer?
- Love one.
1140
00:58:08,694 --> 00:58:11,664
- Another. You with Barbara?
- No, no.
1141
00:58:11,964 --> 00:58:14,414
- She hates this things.
- Karen too.
1142
00:58:14,444 --> 00:58:15,634
- Yeah.
- Smart ladies.
1143
00:58:20,034 --> 00:58:21,204
I met your new editor.
1144
00:58:22,444 --> 00:58:24,774
- Seems like a decent fella.
- I think he is.
1145
00:58:27,714 --> 00:58:31,314
Hey, I had an interesting conversation with Eric MacLeish yesterday.
1146
00:58:31,924 --> 00:58:34,454
Turns out he's been settling abuse cases...
1147
00:58:34,464 --> 00:58:36,664
with the Archdioceses for years.
1148
00:58:37,264 --> 00:58:40,154
You want to talk about this here?
1149
00:58:40,524 --> 00:58:43,184
Jim, You said you helped out
1150
00:58:43,224 --> 00:58:45,784
on Father Barrett as a favor,
1151
00:58:46,404 --> 00:58:47,774
that was a one-off?
1152
00:58:51,374 --> 00:58:53,804
How many of these cases you've been involved with?
1153
00:58:54,944 --> 00:58:57,884
You know I can't answer that Robby, it's unethical.
1154
00:58:59,084 --> 00:59:00,304
Is that all it is?
1155
00:59:02,984 --> 00:59:05,494
So, this...
1156
00:59:05,984 --> 00:59:07,754
would be the Robby Robinson I've always
1157
00:59:07,764 --> 00:59:09,514
heard about, but never met.
1158
00:59:11,124 --> 00:59:12,414
Listen, Jimmy.
1159
00:59:13,464 --> 00:59:15,464
You want to be on the right side of this.
1160
00:59:17,734 --> 00:59:20,814
This is the Church, you're talking about Robby.
1161
00:59:20,824 --> 00:59:22,514
Look around, these are good people,
1162
00:59:22,544 --> 00:59:24,404
done a lot of good for this city.
1163
00:59:25,874 --> 00:59:27,224
Enjoy the party.
1164
00:59:36,384 --> 00:59:37,854
I've been through a lot these now.
1165
00:59:38,124 --> 00:59:40,074
"Sick leave" isn't the only designation...
1166
00:59:40,104 --> 00:59:41,214
they use when they take one...
1167
00:59:41,224 --> 00:59:42,354
of these priests out of the circulation.
1168
00:59:42,394 --> 00:59:44,734
They use slew of terms - 'absent on leave',
1169
00:59:45,024 --> 00:59:47,754
'unassigned', 'emergency response.'
1170
00:59:47,774 --> 00:59:50,054
- They work for everything, these guys.
- Except rape.
1171
00:59:50,064 --> 00:59:51,554
And they move parishes...
1172
00:59:51,554 --> 00:59:53,314
way more frequently than other priests.
1173
00:59:53,334 --> 00:59:55,544
When I was a kid, priest moved after seven or eight years.
1174
00:59:55,574 --> 00:59:56,194
Sometimes longer.
1175
00:59:56,214 --> 00:59:58,234
These guys, it's 2 to 3 years tops.
1176
00:59:58,574 --> 00:59:59,744
And did they use this designations.
1177
00:59:59,784 --> 01:00:01,564
- For all Saviano's priests?
- Yeah.
1178
01:00:01,914 --> 01:00:04,684
- It's pretty clear pattern.
- Guys, I got Sipe.
1179
01:00:05,314 --> 01:00:08,394
I think that if you really want to understand the crisis...
1180
01:00:08,484 --> 01:00:11,004
you need to start with the celibacy requirement.
1181
01:00:11,054 --> 01:00:12,784
That was my first major finding.
1182
01:00:13,154 --> 01:00:15,764
Only 50% of the clergy are celibat.
1183
01:00:16,854 --> 01:00:19,704
Now, most of them are having sex with other adults.
1184
01:00:20,264 --> 01:00:22,194
But the fact remains that this creates...
1185
01:00:22,194 --> 01:00:24,964
a culture of secrecy that tolerates and even protects...
1186
01:00:24,994 --> 01:00:26,254
pedophiles.
1187
01:00:27,474 --> 01:00:29,074
So you believe the Church is aware...
1188
01:00:29,084 --> 01:00:31,334
Of the extent of this 'crisis'?
1189
01:00:31,344 --> 01:00:32,704
Well, absolutely.
1190
01:00:32,804 --> 01:00:34,764
After the first major scandal in Louisiana,
1191
01:00:34,774 --> 01:00:38,234
Tom Doyle, the Secretary Canonist for papal nuncio,
1192
01:00:38,264 --> 01:00:39,674
coauthored a report...
1193
01:00:39,704 --> 01:00:41,084
warning pedophile priests,
1194
01:00:41,124 --> 01:00:43,074
were billion-dollar liability.
1195
01:00:43,554 --> 01:00:44,804
That was in 1985.
1196
01:00:45,454 --> 01:00:47,344
- 1985?
- That's right.
1197
01:00:48,294 --> 01:00:50,974
Who saw that report, anyone from the catholic hierarchy?
1198
01:00:51,194 --> 01:00:52,384
Sure.
1199
01:00:52,694 --> 01:00:54,364
Doyle tried to introduce the report...
1200
01:00:54,364 --> 01:00:56,494
at the National Conference of Catholic Bishops.
1201
01:00:56,534 --> 01:01:00,314
In fact, Cardinal Law initially helped to fund the report,
1202
01:01:00,604 --> 01:01:02,784
but then he backed out and they shelved it.
1203
01:01:03,004 --> 01:01:04,674
- Are you kidding me?
- Oh, Richard.
1204
01:01:04,704 --> 01:01:06,314
Robby here.
1205
01:01:06,644 --> 01:01:09,454
We think we have 13 priests...
1206
01:01:09,474 --> 01:01:11,834
in Boston that fits this pattern, which...
1207
01:01:12,284 --> 01:01:15,004
would be a very, very big story.
1208
01:01:15,034 --> 01:01:16,804
Does that sound right to you?
1209
01:01:16,984 --> 01:01:18,964
In terms of scale?
1210
01:01:19,284 --> 01:01:20,654
No, not really, Robby.
1211
01:01:20,854 --> 01:01:22,274
Sounds low to me.
1212
01:01:22,924 --> 01:01:26,224
My estimate suggests six percent act out sexually with minors.
1213
01:01:27,124 --> 01:01:29,114
Six percent of what?
1214
01:01:29,734 --> 01:01:31,414
Six percent of all priests.
1215
01:01:32,034 --> 01:01:33,784
How many priest do we have in Boston?
1216
01:01:34,064 --> 01:01:37,114
About fifteen hundred. One percent is fifteen... six percent is...
1217
01:01:38,344 --> 01:01:39,344
ninety.
1218
01:01:40,654 --> 01:01:44,334
- 90 priests.
- Is that possible?
1219
01:01:44,684 --> 01:01:46,524
From a metric standpoint.
1220
01:01:46,984 --> 01:01:51,084
Yes. That would be in line with my findings.
1221
01:01:57,094 --> 01:01:58,094
Hello?
1222
01:02:00,794 --> 01:02:02,944
90 fucking priests? In Boston?
1223
01:02:03,534 --> 01:02:04,574
That's what he said.
1224
01:02:05,934 --> 01:02:08,414
If there were 90 of these bastards, people would know.
1225
01:02:08,574 --> 01:02:09,284
Maybe they do.
1226
01:02:09,574 --> 01:02:11,284
And no one said a thing?
1227
01:02:12,104 --> 01:02:13,424
Good Germans.
1228
01:02:14,274 --> 01:02:16,594
I don't think that's a comparison you want to make publicly.
1229
01:02:16,874 --> 01:02:18,214
Macleish knew.
1230
01:02:18,544 --> 01:02:21,144
- He just didn't say anything.
- That's 13 priests.
1231
01:02:21,414 --> 01:02:23,634
There's a big difference between 13 and 90...
1232
01:02:23,654 --> 01:02:25,344
Where's this Sipe guy getting his numbers?
1233
01:02:25,364 --> 01:02:27,374
Well, he's been studying it for 30 years...
1234
01:02:27,404 --> 01:02:29,224
He is a trained psychotherapist.
1235
01:02:29,254 --> 01:02:31,614
Ok, but we need something more than a metric from some...
1236
01:02:31,644 --> 01:02:34,264
some hippy ex-priest who's shacking up with a nun.
1237
01:02:34,304 --> 01:02:36,884
Ok so, we'll track down more victims.
1238
01:02:36,894 --> 01:02:38,154
We'll get more priests, then...
1239
01:02:38,174 --> 01:02:40,314
then we could, we could check them against the directories.
1240
01:02:40,344 --> 01:02:42,854
- That's a shitload of victims.
- We'll get there.
1241
01:02:43,574 --> 01:02:44,824
How long is it going to take?
1242
01:02:46,044 --> 01:02:47,214
Too long.
1243
01:02:48,874 --> 01:02:51,644
- Wait, what, the meeting is over?
- Yeah, for now.
1244
01:02:53,944 --> 01:02:56,424
- What do you got?
- What if we work backwards?
1245
01:02:56,954 --> 01:02:58,074
What do you mean? From what?
1246
01:02:58,154 --> 01:02:59,074
From the directories.
1247
01:02:59,084 --> 01:03:01,004
We've been using them to confirm bad priests.
1248
01:03:01,034 --> 01:03:02,584
What if we do it the other way around.
1249
01:03:02,604 --> 01:03:04,144
Use the directories to identify bad priests?
1250
01:03:04,234 --> 01:03:05,034
Yeah, exactly.
1251
01:03:05,164 --> 01:03:06,594
We search by designation.
1252
01:03:06,604 --> 01:03:08,084
You know, we look for any priest...
1253
01:03:08,124 --> 01:03:09,534
on a sick leave or unassigned.
1254
01:03:09,554 --> 01:03:10,334
Or for priests who moved around a lot...
1255
01:03:10,554 --> 01:03:11,334
Yeah.
1256
01:03:11,564 --> 01:03:12,844
Which can take a load of work.
1257
01:03:13,044 --> 01:03:14,854
Well, not if we're all on it.
1258
01:03:15,234 --> 01:03:16,234
You too?
1259
01:03:16,354 --> 01:03:18,614
Generally, that's what all means, yeah.
1260
01:03:18,634 --> 01:03:19,784
Yeah, generally.
1261
01:03:21,914 --> 01:03:22,914
Sick Leave.
1262
01:03:27,914 --> 01:03:29,264
Unassigned.
1263
01:03:50,934 --> 01:03:52,154
Unassigned.
1264
01:03:53,754 --> 01:03:54,994
Active.
1265
01:04:13,394 --> 01:04:15,374
Library is closing!
1266
01:04:18,064 --> 01:04:19,954
Library is closing!
1267
01:04:26,644 --> 01:04:28,784
O 'Sullivan, Eugene M. Treatment Center.
1268
01:04:29,444 --> 01:04:30,604
Oh shit!
1269
01:05:18,324 --> 01:05:19,784
No freaking way.
1270
01:05:24,004 --> 01:05:26,654
KIDS. Stay away from this house at 276 Pelton Street.
1271
01:05:26,754 --> 01:05:28,824
And stay away from the men who live inside it.
1272
01:05:29,054 --> 01:05:30,094
- Talbot?
- Yeah.
1273
01:05:30,374 --> 01:05:31,374
- Tivnan?
- Yeah.
1274
01:05:31,744 --> 01:05:32,744
- Toma?
- Yeah.
1275
01:05:32,874 --> 01:05:33,874
- Turnbull?
- Yeah.
1276
01:05:34,344 --> 01:05:35,654
- Walsh?
- Yeah.
1277
01:05:35,674 --> 01:05:36,894
- Welsh?
- Yeah.
1278
01:05:37,174 --> 01:05:38,334
- Is that it?
- That's it.
1279
01:05:38,514 --> 01:05:40,044
Holy shit! Robby?
1280
01:05:40,114 --> 01:05:42,144
That's three off Sipe's estimate. That's incredible.
1281
01:05:42,174 --> 01:05:43,174
Robby!
1282
01:05:43,584 --> 01:05:45,164
- How many? - 87.
1283
01:05:45,184 --> 01:05:46,804
87 priests in Boston.
1284
01:05:49,594 --> 01:05:52,034
Call Macleish. I want to talk to him.
1285
01:05:52,054 --> 01:05:52,434
- Ok.
1286
01:05:53,324 --> 01:05:55,234
Can you print it?
1287
01:05:55,324 --> 01:05:56,234
Sure I can.
1288
01:05:58,764 --> 01:06:00,194
Jim Sullivan's office.
1289
01:06:00,234 --> 01:06:02,574
Yeah, Walter Robinson for Jim Sullivan.
1290
01:06:02,604 --> 01:06:04,434
Tell him it's important, please.
1291
01:06:04,464 --> 01:06:05,594
One moment please.
1292
01:06:10,744 --> 01:06:12,164
Hey, Robby, everything ok?
1293
01:06:12,194 --> 01:06:14,264
I need you to tell me something, Jim.
1294
01:06:14,584 --> 01:06:17,474
- Could it be 90 priests?
- What?
1295
01:06:17,494 --> 01:06:19,744
Could it be as high as 90?
1296
01:06:19,774 --> 01:06:20,934
Jesus, Robby!
1297
01:06:21,154 --> 01:06:22,374
I need to know, Jim.
1298
01:06:22,414 --> 01:06:24,644
I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't important.
1299
01:06:26,764 --> 01:06:28,304
You're gonna stop this, Robby.
1300
01:06:36,704 --> 01:06:38,384
Robby, Macleish's assistant...
1301
01:06:38,384 --> 01:06:40,254
said he's all booked up, he can't see us.
1302
01:06:40,704 --> 01:06:42,864
Yeah, well, the hell he can't.
1303
01:06:48,354 --> 01:06:49,784
Alright, it'll be fine.
1304
01:06:54,224 --> 01:06:56,604
- You know what, I'll catch up with you, okay?
- Ok.
1305
01:06:57,394 --> 01:07:00,314
Hey guys, I'm really sorry, I am, I don't have any...
1306
01:07:00,324 --> 01:07:01,244
time to talk right now but...
1307
01:07:01,274 --> 01:07:02,344
- Mr. Macleish.
- If you call my assistant.
1308
01:07:02,364 --> 01:07:03,334
We have reasons to believe that there are...
1309
01:07:03,374 --> 01:07:05,964
allegations against as many as 87 priests in Boston.
1310
01:07:06,964 --> 01:07:08,484
I can't talk to you about that.
1311
01:07:08,774 --> 01:07:10,144
Does that number sound right to you?
1312
01:07:10,174 --> 01:07:11,154
You gotta be kidding me, I just told you...
1313
01:07:11,194 --> 01:07:12,554
I don't have time for this crap.
1314
01:07:12,574 --> 01:07:14,814
Eric, how many priests did you settle?
1315
01:07:16,114 --> 01:07:17,704
Robby, you know I can't tell you that.
1316
01:07:17,884 --> 01:07:18,974
You're going to give me their names...
1317
01:07:19,184 --> 01:07:20,674
and the names of their victims.
1318
01:07:22,954 --> 01:07:24,234
Are you threatening me?
1319
01:07:24,954 --> 01:07:26,234
We've got two stories here.
1320
01:07:26,424 --> 01:07:28,464
We got a story about degenerate clergy.
1321
01:07:28,594 --> 01:07:30,664
And we got a story about a bunch of lawyers...
1322
01:07:30,694 --> 01:07:33,304
turning child abuse into a cottage industry.
1323
01:07:33,624 --> 01:07:35,934
Now, which story do you want us to write?
1324
01:07:35,964 --> 01:07:37,874
Cause we're writing one of them.
1325
01:07:41,374 --> 01:07:43,954
I already sent you a list of names.
1326
01:07:45,274 --> 01:07:46,924
What are you talking about? To whom?
1327
01:07:47,304 --> 01:07:49,464
The Globe, years ago.
1328
01:07:49,974 --> 01:07:52,114
After the Porter case I got plenty of calls.
1329
01:07:52,114 --> 01:07:53,264
I had 20 priests...
1330
01:07:53,284 --> 01:07:54,414
in Boston alone.
1331
01:07:54,414 --> 01:07:56,414
But I couldn't go after them without the press.
1332
01:07:56,444 --> 01:07:58,234
So I sent you guys...
1333
01:07:58,254 --> 01:08:00,864
a list of names and you buried it.
1334
01:08:03,154 --> 01:08:04,374
I want those names tomorrow.
1335
01:08:04,374 --> 01:08:06,374
Check you goddamn clips, Robby.
1336
01:08:08,964 --> 01:08:12,454
- We didn't find anything in the clips.
- Yeah, big surprise.
1337
01:08:14,034 --> 01:08:15,564
Richard.
1338
01:08:16,174 --> 01:08:17,764
Do you still go to mass?
1339
01:08:18,104 --> 01:08:20,534
No, I haven't been to Church for some time now.
1340
01:08:20,744 --> 01:08:22,754
But I still consider myself a catholic.
1341
01:08:23,314 --> 01:08:24,604
How does that work?
1342
01:08:25,214 --> 01:08:27,564
Well, the Church is an institution, Mike,
1343
01:08:27,964 --> 01:08:29,064
made of men.
1344
01:08:29,454 --> 01:08:32,974
It's passing. My faith is in the eternal.
1345
01:08:33,854 --> 01:08:35,284
I try to separate the two.
1346
01:08:36,054 --> 01:08:37,284
Sounds tricky.
1347
01:08:37,694 --> 01:08:39,234
It is. Especially...
1348
01:08:39,234 --> 01:08:41,454
since the Church continues to go after me.
1349
01:08:41,834 --> 01:08:43,484
It takes the toll, Mike.
1350
01:08:44,264 --> 01:08:45,964
They'll try to silence anyone who speaks out.
1351
01:08:46,004 --> 01:08:48,444
And I'm sure they'll come after you and your team soon enough.
1352
01:08:48,504 --> 01:08:50,744
Really? And how do you think they'll do that?
1353
01:08:54,644 --> 01:08:57,174
Hello? Richard?
1354
01:09:03,954 --> 01:09:06,934
- Who is it?
- It's the Archbishop of Canterbury.
1355
01:09:10,994 --> 01:09:13,104
I had dinner at Santarpio's, had some leftovers.
1356
01:09:13,134 --> 01:09:14,354
You're the freaking best.
1357
01:09:15,094 --> 01:09:16,744
Thanks. You want a beer?
1358
01:09:17,134 --> 01:09:19,114
- Yeah.
- You got it.
1359
01:09:19,704 --> 01:09:22,104
Jesus. How much longer...
1360
01:09:22,124 --> 01:09:23,294
you're gonna be in this shithole??
1361
01:09:23,314 --> 01:09:24,834
Yeah, I'm working on it.
1362
01:09:25,804 --> 01:09:28,124
- She's a good girl, Mike.
- Yeah, she is.
1363
01:09:28,614 --> 01:09:31,814
We'll figure it out. I haven't had a lot of time lately.
1364
01:09:32,814 --> 01:09:34,774
I just got off the phone with Sipe, actually.
1365
01:09:35,454 --> 01:09:37,174
Have you met this guy in person yet?
1366
01:09:37,654 --> 01:09:40,264
No, but his knowledge on this is on a whole other level.
1367
01:09:41,054 --> 01:09:42,134
I'm freaking starving.
1368
01:09:43,454 --> 01:09:46,104
So, where are we with the 90?
1369
01:09:46,994 --> 01:09:48,904
- I'm close.
- How close?
1370
01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:50,174
I'm close.
1371
01:09:50,214 --> 01:09:51,844
Just answer the question, will ya?
1372
01:09:55,274 --> 01:09:56,744
We got 87 names.
1373
01:09:57,604 --> 01:09:59,684
We're trying to get confirmation, I think we will.
1374
01:10:02,244 --> 01:10:03,624
Something bugging you?
1375
01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:06,074
It's just surprise, that's all.
1376
01:10:06,914 --> 01:10:09,004
Yeah, yeah it is.
1377
01:10:09,654 --> 01:10:10,654
For everybody.
1378
01:10:15,794 --> 01:10:18,434
Hey, Ben, I forgot to ask you.
1379
01:10:18,864 --> 01:10:20,934
Hey Phil Saviano said he sent a bunch of...
1380
01:10:20,944 --> 01:10:23,604
info over to The Globe a years ago, do you have an idea to whom?
1381
01:10:24,064 --> 01:10:26,994
- No, why?
- Well, I'm just curious.
1382
01:10:27,004 --> 01:10:28,914
I wanted to see if there were any leads you guys didn't run out.
1383
01:10:29,404 --> 01:10:31,144
Saviano was a fucking train wreck...
1384
01:10:31,144 --> 01:10:32,894
5 years ago, but wedidn't miss anything.
1385
01:10:33,144 --> 01:10:34,764
This story needs Spotlight.
1386
01:10:36,224 --> 01:10:38,274
Yeah, I agree. I'm just following up.
1387
01:10:41,184 --> 01:10:42,974
- Good night.
- Yeah, good night.
1388
01:10:47,754 --> 01:10:48,874
This is unbelievable.
1389
01:10:49,104 --> 01:10:50,474
When did you get this?
1390
01:10:50,494 --> 01:10:52,324
Macleish emailed the list this morning.
1391
01:10:52,594 --> 01:10:55,004
He settled cases against 45 priests.
1392
01:10:55,904 --> 01:10:57,194
Where are we on Law?
1393
01:10:57,484 --> 01:10:59,714
Anything that shows the acknowledge of this.
1394
01:10:59,764 --> 01:11:02,404
- Still working Garabedian.
- But nothing concrete.
1395
01:11:02,574 --> 01:11:05,044
I keep thinking about that conversation we had the other night,
1396
01:11:05,044 --> 01:11:07,274
about how Law called down the power of God.
1397
01:11:07,294 --> 01:11:09,644
When we reported the Porter.
1398
01:11:10,074 --> 01:11:11,554
That's just Law being Law.
1399
01:11:11,744 --> 01:11:13,884
Ok, but I checked the clips...
1400
01:11:13,914 --> 01:11:16,174
And Porter isn't even...
1401
01:11:16,204 --> 01:11:18,334
in Boston Archdiocese, he's from Fall River.
1402
01:11:18,374 --> 01:11:19,374
So...
1403
01:11:20,124 --> 01:11:22,164
Why the extreme reaction?
1404
01:11:23,494 --> 01:11:27,434
Law had to know. That's why he had the reaction.
1405
01:11:27,724 --> 01:11:29,254
He knew there were others.
1406
01:11:32,614 --> 01:11:34,454
I think that's the bigger story.
1407
01:11:36,014 --> 01:11:37,524
Bigger than 50 priests?
1408
01:11:38,274 --> 01:11:40,384
If it came from the top down? Yes.
1409
01:11:41,104 --> 01:11:44,154
But the numbers clearly indicate that there were senior clergy involved.
1410
01:11:44,174 --> 01:11:45,404
That's all they do "indicate".
1411
01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:46,454
Are you telling me that...
1412
01:11:46,454 --> 01:11:49,234
that if we run a story about 50 pedophile priests in Boston.
1413
01:11:49,254 --> 01:11:50,104
Mike.
1414
01:11:50,254 --> 01:11:53,004
We'll get into the same cat fight you got into on Porter,
1415
01:11:53,014 --> 01:11:54,384
Which made a lot of noise,
1416
01:11:54,424 --> 01:11:56,354
but changed things not one bit.
1417
01:11:59,764 --> 01:12:01,624
We need to focus on the institution.
1418
01:12:01,664 --> 01:12:03,294
Not the individual priests.
1419
01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:05,534
Practice and policy.
1420
01:12:05,604 --> 01:12:07,584
Show me the Church manipulate the system...
1421
01:12:07,594 --> 01:12:09,274
so this guy wouldn't have to face charges.
1422
01:12:09,304 --> 01:12:11,144
Show me they put those same priests...
1423
01:12:11,204 --> 01:12:13,634
back into parishes time and time again.
1424
01:12:13,654 --> 01:12:16,914
Show me this was systemic that it came from the top down.
1425
01:12:19,194 --> 01:12:20,844
Sound like we're going after Law.
1426
01:12:25,224 --> 01:12:26,914
We're going after the system.
1427
01:12:30,124 --> 01:12:31,464
Make the list of all the victims...
1428
01:12:31,484 --> 01:12:33,014
we have, start reaching out.
1429
01:12:33,134 --> 01:12:35,284
- And bring Matt in if you need help.
- Ok.
1430
01:12:35,304 --> 01:12:37,664
- Hey when do you go to Springfield?
- Hearing's on monday.
1431
01:12:37,834 --> 01:12:38,834
Ok.
1432
01:12:39,214 --> 01:12:40,684
Hey, Robby, you got a second?
1433
01:12:41,174 --> 01:12:42,234
Yeah.
1434
01:12:43,404 --> 01:12:46,844
I, I got one of those treatment centers a block from my house.
1435
01:12:49,374 --> 01:12:50,654
We got neighbours with kids.
1436
01:12:50,844 --> 01:12:53,354
I know that the work we do is confidential but,
1437
01:12:53,474 --> 01:12:54,644
I'm feeling like...
1438
01:12:55,594 --> 01:12:56,794
I should tell 'em.
1439
01:13:01,054 --> 01:13:02,614
We'll tell 'em soon.
1440
01:13:02,984 --> 01:13:04,614
Are you sure?
1441
01:13:05,794 --> 01:13:07,294
- Yeah.
- Ok.
1442
01:13:10,504 --> 01:13:12,824
Hi there, I'm Sacha Pfeiffer, with The Boston Globe.
1443
01:13:13,014 --> 01:13:15,664
It's just looking for the gentleman by the name of Matthew Walsh?
1444
01:13:17,584 --> 01:13:18,584
No, he's not.
1445
01:13:23,304 --> 01:13:24,814
Okay, okay.
1446
01:13:31,494 --> 01:13:32,754
- Hi - Hi.
1447
01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:34,364
I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe.
1448
01:13:34,404 --> 01:13:35,124
Yeah, what do you want?
1449
01:13:35,404 --> 01:13:37,254
I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy?
1450
01:13:37,294 --> 01:13:38,294
He doesn't live here any more.
1451
01:13:38,574 --> 01:13:39,814
Do you know where he lives?
1452
01:13:40,334 --> 01:13:41,814
Sir, I'd just like to ask a few...
1453
01:13:43,694 --> 01:13:45,434
Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe.
1454
01:13:45,474 --> 01:13:47,184
- Oh, yeah, hi.
- Hi. Thank you.
1455
01:13:48,884 --> 01:13:52,004
- Anything else you can recall?
- No.
1456
01:13:52,034 --> 01:13:53,884
No, but I got a cousin in Queens...
1457
01:13:53,914 --> 01:13:55,734
she said saw him in the streets a few years later.
1458
01:13:56,484 --> 01:13:58,124
The bishop came over to house.
1459
01:13:58,394 --> 01:14:00,114
He said nothing like this ever happened before...
1460
01:14:00,154 --> 01:14:01,684
and he asked us not to press charges.
1461
01:14:01,964 --> 01:14:03,154
And what did your mother do?
1462
01:14:03,784 --> 01:14:04,894
My mother?
1463
01:14:06,484 --> 01:14:08,324
She put out freakin cookies.
1464
01:14:12,574 --> 01:14:14,894
There was a lot of pressure to keep quiet.
1465
01:14:14,924 --> 01:14:15,694
From the Church?
1466
01:14:15,844 --> 01:14:19,284
Yeah, from the Church. But not just the Church.
1467
01:14:20,214 --> 01:14:21,804
From my friends.
1468
01:14:22,684 --> 01:14:24,294
From the other parishoners.
1469
01:14:24,314 --> 01:14:27,074
Well, many of the priest I treated were...
1470
01:14:27,144 --> 01:14:28,544
psychosexually stunted.
1471
01:14:28,784 --> 01:14:31,424
On the emotional level of the 12 or 13 year old.
1472
01:14:31,454 --> 01:14:32,324
Jesus.
1473
01:14:32,454 --> 01:14:34,724
Sure the chief knew. Everybody knew.
1474
01:14:34,744 --> 01:14:36,564
But nobody wants to come for priest.
1475
01:14:38,024 --> 01:14:39,474
And what about the prosecutor?
1476
01:14:40,434 --> 01:14:42,194
I shouldn't talk about this shit.
1477
01:14:42,224 --> 01:14:43,604
I think you should, actually.
1478
01:14:44,264 --> 01:14:47,644
Do you know Father Hurley or Father Gale?
1479
01:14:47,674 --> 01:14:48,404
I do.
1480
01:14:48,444 --> 01:14:49,684
Just get your shit out of here, alright?
1481
01:14:49,724 --> 01:14:50,684
I'm sorry about it.
1482
01:14:50,774 --> 01:14:52,074
You leave me alone, you leave my brother alone...
1483
01:14:52,104 --> 01:14:53,104
you hear me goddammit?
1484
01:15:01,784 --> 01:15:04,284
Hi there. I'm looking for Ronald Paquin.
1485
01:15:04,314 --> 01:15:05,314
Yes?
1486
01:15:06,184 --> 01:15:08,644
- You're Father Paquin?
- Yes, that's right.
1487
01:15:09,724 --> 01:15:12,134
I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe.
1488
01:15:12,164 --> 01:15:12,994
Ok.
1489
01:15:13,094 --> 01:15:14,574
Could I ask you a few questions?
1490
01:15:14,604 --> 01:15:15,604
Go ahead, dear.
1491
01:15:16,734 --> 01:15:18,684
We spoke to several men who knew you when they were boys...
1492
01:15:18,684 --> 01:15:20,544
at St. John the Baptist in Haverhill.
1493
01:15:23,044 --> 01:15:25,074
They told us you molested them, is that true?
1494
01:15:27,244 --> 01:15:28,534
Sure, I fooled around.
1495
01:15:28,664 --> 01:15:31,664
But I never felt gratified myself.
1496
01:15:32,784 --> 01:15:37,014
Right, but you admit to molesting the boys at St. John the Baptist?
1497
01:15:37,824 --> 01:15:42,094
Yes, yes, but as I said, I never got any pleasure from them.
1498
01:15:42,524 --> 01:15:44,054
That's important to understand.
1499
01:15:44,724 --> 01:15:47,454
Right, but...
1500
01:15:47,494 --> 01:15:50,414
Can you tell me where and how you fooled around with these boys?
1501
01:15:52,374 --> 01:15:55,554
I want to be clear, I never raped anybody.
1502
01:15:56,544 --> 01:15:58,894
There's a difference. I should know.
1503
01:15:59,414 --> 01:16:01,884
- How would you know?
- I was raped.
1504
01:16:04,484 --> 01:16:06,614
I'm sorry, who raped you?
1505
01:16:06,634 --> 01:16:08,004
Ronny? Who are you talking too?
1506
01:16:08,024 --> 01:16:09,644
- It's ok, Jane.
- Father, who raped you?
1507
01:16:09,674 --> 01:16:10,674
Who are you?
1508
01:16:11,024 --> 01:16:14,324
- Sacha Pfeiffer, from The Globe.
- Please, get off my porch.
1509
01:16:14,344 --> 01:16:16,514
- Get inside the house, Ronald.
1510
01:16:16,794 --> 01:16:18,544
- Get inside Ronald!
- I'm sorry.
1511
01:16:18,594 --> 01:16:20,584
- I'm sorry, who are you?
- I'm his sister.
1512
01:16:20,934 --> 01:16:23,004
- And I don't want you coming back here.
- Miss Paquin?
1513
01:16:32,614 --> 01:16:34,574
No, you won't, I beat you last time...
1514
01:16:34,744 --> 01:16:35,814
Cause you cheated...
1515
01:16:43,524 --> 01:16:47,614
Could you please clarify The Globe's position for me, Mr. Albano?
1516
01:16:47,644 --> 01:16:48,804
Yes, Judge Sweeney.
1517
01:16:53,294 --> 01:16:56,114
Our argument to make this documents public rest...
1518
01:16:56,134 --> 01:16:58,614
mainly on First Amendment grounds.
1519
01:16:58,734 --> 01:17:01,144
We also have a number of other relevant arguments.
1520
01:17:01,334 --> 01:17:03,994
After all, Your Honor, this was discretionary audit.
1521
01:17:04,074 --> 01:17:06,744
Yes, it was made the Judges discretionary.
1522
01:17:06,774 --> 01:17:07,774
Hey Mike!
1523
01:17:08,914 --> 01:17:09,914
Hey, Joe.
1524
01:17:10,284 --> 01:17:12,664
What's the Spotlight reporter doing in Springfield?
1525
01:17:15,014 --> 01:17:17,294
Your boy Albano is sledding uphill.
1526
01:17:17,584 --> 01:17:19,434
Actually thinking he has a shot of winning this thing?
1527
01:17:19,624 --> 01:17:21,224
You want me to comment for The Herald?
1528
01:17:23,594 --> 01:17:26,304
Globe reporter would not comment.
1529
01:17:26,934 --> 01:17:29,414
But he did not seem hopeful.
1530
01:17:30,804 --> 01:17:32,604
He didn't try to hide it at all.
1531
01:17:32,734 --> 01:17:35,944
He had this really odd rationalization for it,
1532
01:17:35,964 --> 01:17:38,434
like it was totally normal to fool around with little boys.
1533
01:17:39,314 --> 01:17:41,754
I'd really like to go back, I think he'd talk to us.
1534
01:17:42,384 --> 01:17:43,684
Oh, we will.
1535
01:17:44,384 --> 01:17:45,694
Just not yet.
1536
01:17:45,784 --> 01:17:48,694
I want you to stay focused on the victims right now.
1537
01:17:48,714 --> 01:17:50,694
Sacha, where did they send Father Talbot again?
1538
01:17:51,024 --> 01:17:54,624
- I think it was Cheverus?
- Cheverus, that's right.
1539
01:17:54,654 --> 01:17:57,574
Wait, Father Talbot? From BC High?
1540
01:17:57,724 --> 01:17:59,154
Yeah, you know him?
1541
01:17:59,314 --> 01:18:01,254
Yeah, he was there when I was.
1542
01:18:02,364 --> 01:18:03,914
- We have a victim?
- Yeah.
1543
01:18:04,734 --> 01:18:05,904
Lives in Providence.
1544
01:18:09,274 --> 01:18:11,494
There's nothing personal within this documents, Your Honor.
1545
01:18:12,274 --> 01:18:14,054
They concern how the Cardinal is handling...
1546
01:18:14,094 --> 01:18:15,544
Say the "Archdiocese".
1547
01:18:16,514 --> 01:18:17,514
Excuse me?
1548
01:18:18,144 --> 01:18:21,024
You don't get to tag the Cardinal with everything, Mr. Albano.
1549
01:18:21,114 --> 01:18:22,934
Say, the Archdiocese.
1550
01:18:23,524 --> 01:18:25,584
Judge Sweeney, The Globe is not a party to this case.
1551
01:18:25,614 --> 01:18:26,924
They just want to sell the papers.
1552
01:18:27,024 --> 01:18:28,984
If Mr. Garabedian hadn't...
1553
01:18:29,024 --> 01:18:30,774
smeared the Cardinal's good name...
1554
01:18:30,864 --> 01:18:32,614
- We wouldn't even be here.
- Your Honor,
1555
01:18:32,634 --> 01:18:34,714
I object to the use of the word "smear".
1556
01:18:34,994 --> 01:18:37,574
- Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian.
- Thank you, Your Honor.
1557
01:18:37,764 --> 01:18:39,884
- Anything else, Mr. Rogers?
- No, Your Honor.
1558
01:18:39,974 --> 01:18:41,794
Sr. Albano, you may continue.
1559
01:18:42,174 --> 01:18:43,594
The Globe believe having...
1560
01:18:45,674 --> 01:18:46,884
Hey, Mitch, how you doing?
1561
01:18:48,174 --> 01:18:49,174
I'm fine.
1562
01:18:49,844 --> 01:18:51,564
He's tough that Wilson Rogers.
1563
01:18:52,614 --> 01:18:53,814
He's smug.
1564
01:18:54,454 --> 01:18:57,134
- He's sloppy.
- Doesn't seem sloppy.
1565
01:18:58,284 --> 01:19:00,224
You don't know the half of it. Trust me.
1566
01:19:01,294 --> 01:19:02,534
What's the half of it?
1567
01:19:05,264 --> 01:19:06,604
Tell me the half of it, Mitch?
1568
01:19:08,604 --> 01:19:10,364
- Of the record.
- Of the record, yeah.
1569
01:19:14,334 --> 01:19:16,294
3 years ago I get the call from an ex-priest.
1570
01:19:16,844 --> 01:19:18,194
Anthony Benzevich.
1571
01:19:18,224 --> 01:19:20,364
He was at Blessed Sacrament back in '62...
1572
01:19:20,374 --> 01:19:21,754
and he saw Geoghan...
1573
01:19:24,014 --> 01:19:26,684
taking little boys up to the rectory bedroom, ok?
1574
01:19:26,704 --> 01:19:27,804
So he was appalled,
1575
01:19:30,354 --> 01:19:32,104
And the bishop threatens to reassign him.
1576
01:19:32,554 --> 01:19:34,924
- To South America.
- Jesus.
1577
01:19:34,954 --> 01:19:37,244
Yeah. Alright, so fast-forward 35 years.
1578
01:19:37,264 --> 01:19:39,324
Benzevich reads that Geoghan has been charged...
1579
01:19:39,324 --> 01:19:41,334
with molesting hundreds of kids.
1580
01:19:41,354 --> 01:19:43,424
So he feels guilty and he calls me.
1581
01:19:43,564 --> 01:19:45,634
So you have a testimony of a priest...
1582
01:19:45,674 --> 01:19:48,074
telling his superiors about Geoghan in '62?
1583
01:19:48,574 --> 01:19:49,874
No, I do not.
1584
01:19:50,174 --> 01:19:52,474
Because when I call Benzevich in to give a deposition...
1585
01:19:52,874 --> 01:19:54,334
He comes in with the lawyer.
1586
01:19:55,014 --> 01:19:56,464
- Wilson Rogers?
- Right.
1587
01:19:57,014 --> 01:19:59,674
And suddenly, Father Benzevich has a foggy memory.
1588
01:19:59,754 --> 01:20:01,744
Can't remember anything. He's useless.
1589
01:20:01,884 --> 01:20:04,424
So, I go back to work. I forget about it, whatever.
1590
01:20:05,054 --> 01:20:07,934
Until about a year ago, I find an article about a priest...
1591
01:20:08,154 --> 01:20:10,424
who warned Church officials about Geoghan.
1592
01:20:10,664 --> 01:20:12,544
- Benzevich went to the press?
- Yeah.
1593
01:20:12,794 --> 01:20:14,654
Yeah, local paper Patriot Ledger,
1594
01:20:14,664 --> 01:20:17,244
nobody saw it, but now I got Benzevich on record.
1595
01:20:17,304 --> 01:20:19,144
So, I file a motion to depose...
1596
01:20:19,154 --> 01:20:20,534
Benzevich the second time.
1597
01:20:21,074 --> 01:20:24,334
Alright? And Wilson Rogers, that smug son of a bitch,
1598
01:20:24,474 --> 01:20:27,144
he files a motion opposing my motion.
1599
01:20:27,614 --> 01:20:29,414
And that's when I have him.
1600
01:20:30,684 --> 01:20:31,794
Have, have him how?
1601
01:20:31,984 --> 01:20:33,764
Rogers opposes my motion.
1602
01:20:34,084 --> 01:20:36,384
So I have to make an argument as to why am I allowed to...
1603
01:20:36,384 --> 01:20:38,984
depose Father Benzevich the second time, ok?
1604
01:20:38,994 --> 01:20:41,254
But this time I'm allowed to attach exhibits.
1605
01:20:41,874 --> 01:20:42,914
You follow what I'm saying?
1606
01:20:43,274 --> 01:20:44,714
The sealed documents?
1607
01:20:44,744 --> 01:20:46,564
Yes. I can attach the sealed documents...
1608
01:20:46,694 --> 01:20:49,284
that I've gotten in discovery, Mr. Rezendes.
1609
01:20:49,304 --> 01:20:52,724
The same documents that your paper is currently suing for.
1610
01:20:53,274 --> 01:20:54,624
You're shitting me?
1611
01:20:54,774 --> 01:20:56,624
What? No, no, I'm not shitting you.
1612
01:20:56,654 --> 01:20:59,644
So, I pull out the 14 most damning docs...
1613
01:20:59,684 --> 01:21:00,944
and I attach them to my motion.
1614
01:21:01,084 --> 01:21:02,644
And they prove everything. Everything.
1615
01:21:02,944 --> 01:21:05,394
About the Church, about the bishops, about Law.
1616
01:21:05,484 --> 01:21:06,604
And it's all public...
1617
01:21:07,324 --> 01:21:08,304
Because your motion...
1618
01:21:08,344 --> 01:21:09,944
to oppose Rogers motion is public.
1619
01:21:10,384 --> 01:21:13,244
Is public, yeah. Exactly. Now you're paying attention.
1620
01:21:13,594 --> 01:21:15,724
And so I could just walk in to that courthouse right now...
1621
01:21:15,764 --> 01:21:16,824
and get those documents?
1622
01:21:16,864 --> 01:21:18,234
No, you can not.
1623
01:21:18,664 --> 01:21:20,434
Because the documents are not there.
1624
01:21:20,764 --> 01:21:22,054
But you just said they're public.
1625
01:21:22,184 --> 01:21:25,364
I know I did. But this is Boston.
1626
01:21:25,404 --> 01:21:28,304
And the Church does not want them to be found,
1627
01:21:28,464 --> 01:21:30,504
so, they are not there.
1628
01:21:32,774 --> 01:21:35,094
Mitch, are you telling me that the Catholic Church...
1629
01:21:35,124 --> 01:21:37,494
removed legal documents from that courthouse?
1630
01:21:37,654 --> 01:21:40,884
Look, I'm not crazy, I'm not paranoid,
1631
01:21:41,284 --> 01:21:42,434
I'm experienced.
1632
01:21:42,584 --> 01:21:44,434
Check the docket, you'll see.
1633
01:21:45,694 --> 01:21:47,004
They control everything.
1634
01:21:50,024 --> 01:21:51,024
Everything.
1635
01:21:53,194 --> 01:21:54,294
I got to go back.
1636
01:21:58,434 --> 01:22:00,934
I got to get the fucking documents!
1637
01:22:15,784 --> 01:22:18,364
Docket entry number 49, with the Geoghan case.
1638
01:22:18,484 --> 01:22:19,364
Ok, thanks.
1639
01:22:19,384 --> 01:22:22,074
- We're closing in 10 minutes. - 10 minutes? Alright.
1640
01:22:51,404 --> 01:22:53,964
Rev. James F. Talbot.
1641
01:22:59,034 --> 01:23:00,764
- Robby.
- Hey, it's me.
1642
01:23:01,094 --> 01:23:02,354
- Hey.
- You're not gonna believe it.
1643
01:23:02,604 --> 01:23:04,004
Garabedian gave me a tip.
1644
01:23:04,194 --> 01:23:06,634
Some of the sealed docs are already public.
1645
01:23:06,654 --> 01:23:08,044
They're part of the motion he filed.
1646
01:23:08,074 --> 01:23:10,174
He said they're the best of a bunch, we don't have to...
1647
01:23:10,204 --> 01:23:11,544
wait for Sweeney's ruling.
1648
01:23:11,584 --> 01:23:12,734
So, we can get them?
1649
01:23:12,744 --> 01:23:14,254
Yeah, but they are not there.
1650
01:23:14,264 --> 01:23:15,254
I already talked to Albano,
1651
01:23:15,274 --> 01:23:16,744
he said all we have to do is...
1652
01:23:16,814 --> 01:23:17,974
file a motion and Sweeney will...
1653
01:23:18,014 --> 01:23:20,154
order Mitch to refile the docs.
1654
01:23:20,284 --> 01:23:21,734
And you think this documents are...?
1655
01:23:21,764 --> 01:23:23,794
He said this 14 docs are all we need.
1656
01:23:23,824 --> 01:23:24,934
They are huge.
1657
01:23:25,094 --> 01:23:28,994
Ok. I'll call Ben. Good work.
1658
01:23:54,484 --> 01:23:55,444
What happened?
1659
01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:58,044
They are saying it's a prop plane.
1660
01:23:58,224 --> 01:23:59,574
But that's not a prop plane.
1661
01:24:03,794 --> 01:24:04,754
Tell Linda to get every...
1662
01:24:04,754 --> 01:24:06,514
reporter we have in here now.
1663
01:24:08,134 --> 01:24:12,214
You pray for the victims, you pray for the injured...
1664
01:24:13,254 --> 01:24:15,484
and you pray for those who survived.
1665
01:24:16,874 --> 01:24:19,754
You pray too for the nation.
1666
01:24:21,014 --> 01:24:23,084
That our response to this...
1667
01:24:23,534 --> 01:24:27,684
might reflect the best ideals of our nation.
1668
01:24:28,314 --> 01:24:31,224
And even more reflect God's own teaching.
1669
01:24:31,624 --> 01:24:35,824
Not only as it's shown in Christianity and Judaism...
1670
01:24:35,994 --> 01:24:38,234
but in Islam as well.
1671
01:24:38,494 --> 01:24:40,844
- Not bad. Who's there?
- Paulson.
1672
01:24:40,874 --> 01:24:42,564
I want to talk to him when he's back.
1673
01:24:42,854 --> 01:24:45,064
Did Rezendes find a way to get to Florida yet?
1674
01:24:45,094 --> 01:24:46,914
They just opened the airport in Providence,
1675
01:24:46,954 --> 01:24:48,164
he's on his way there now.
1676
01:24:48,174 --> 01:24:49,684
Ben, I'm gonna need more people on Massport.
1677
01:24:50,174 --> 01:24:51,684
I'll give you three of my guys.
1678
01:24:51,704 --> 01:24:53,814
Robby, put your team on that too. Got it.
1679
01:24:53,914 --> 01:24:56,524
- And Robby, everything else stops.
- Understood.
1680
01:24:56,784 --> 01:24:59,124
- Why is Mike going to Florida?
- Flight school.
1681
01:24:59,134 --> 01:25:00,344
That's where they learned to fly.
1682
01:25:00,984 --> 01:25:02,134
Robby, I've got...
1683
01:25:02,174 --> 01:25:04,004
a lot of victims introduce set up this week.
1684
01:25:04,024 --> 01:25:05,284
We got to cancel them.
1685
01:25:05,334 --> 01:25:06,484
That's gonna be hard.
1686
01:25:06,504 --> 01:25:07,144
I know.
1687
01:25:07,174 --> 01:25:08,414
This is nuts. Two days ago...
1688
01:25:08,424 --> 01:25:09,634
I told my wife we gotta be working...
1689
01:25:09,644 --> 01:25:10,934
on biggest story on the planet.
1690
01:25:10,954 --> 01:25:14,444
- Boston Globe.
- Boston Globe, one moment please.
1691
01:25:14,484 --> 01:25:16,354
- Yes if you have a tip, I...
- Boston Globe...
1692
01:25:19,104 --> 01:25:19,944
Mitchell Garabedian.
1693
01:25:19,974 --> 01:25:21,724
Mitch, it's Mike. I've been trying to reach you.
1694
01:25:21,764 --> 01:25:23,544
I don't have time to talk to you, Mr. Rezendes.
1695
01:25:23,574 --> 01:25:26,144
Hey just quickly. Did you refile those docs yet?
1696
01:25:26,184 --> 01:25:27,354
No, I just got the order.
1697
01:25:27,394 --> 01:25:28,284
It takes time.
1698
01:25:28,394 --> 01:25:29,524
Ok, great. Can you hold off...
1699
01:25:30,434 --> 01:25:31,244
I have to go to Florida...
1700
01:25:31,284 --> 01:25:33,154
Once you refile, they're public.
1701
01:25:33,194 --> 01:25:34,984
Other newspaper will be able to get a hold of them.
1702
01:25:35,014 --> 01:25:37,424
"Other newspapers are not my concern.
1703
01:25:37,484 --> 01:25:39,104
I received the judicial order.
1704
01:25:39,484 --> 01:25:41,104
I told you the Church is watching me.
1705
01:25:41,124 --> 01:25:42,414
Hey Mitch, please.
1706
01:25:42,444 --> 01:25:44,084
All I need is a few more weeks.
1707
01:25:45,324 --> 01:25:47,244
I can't make any promises. Goodbye.
1708
01:25:47,324 --> 01:25:49,774
Mitch! Mitch! Shit!
1709
01:25:51,764 --> 01:25:52,764
Shit.
1710
01:26:01,714 --> 01:26:03,114
Look, I get it.
1711
01:26:03,164 --> 01:26:05,314
No one wants to read about kids getting raped by priests.
1712
01:26:05,514 --> 01:26:06,874
Especially now, but you asked...
1713
01:26:06,894 --> 01:26:08,094
a lot of people to relive...
1714
01:26:08,104 --> 01:26:10,094
some very painful experiences...
1715
01:26:10,114 --> 01:26:12,434
Phil you know why we were taking off of this story...
1716
01:26:12,454 --> 01:26:14,174
It's been six weeks since 9/11.
1717
01:26:14,194 --> 01:26:16,474
I realize that, and we're gonna get back to it.
1718
01:26:16,494 --> 01:26:17,494
When?
1719
01:26:19,024 --> 01:26:21,284
You're doing the same thing you guys did the last time.
1720
01:26:21,294 --> 01:26:21,784
No.
1721
01:26:21,804 --> 01:26:22,974
- You're dropping us.
- No.
1722
01:26:23,004 --> 01:26:24,764
Maybe I should tell The Herald that story.
1723
01:26:25,674 --> 01:26:27,824
Ok, Phil. You go ahead and do that.
1724
01:26:28,414 --> 01:26:30,524
It'll undo all the work we've done.
1725
01:26:30,554 --> 01:26:31,824
But I can't stop you.
1726
01:26:33,724 --> 01:26:35,124
Listen to me.
1727
01:26:35,524 --> 01:26:37,514
I am here because I care.
1728
01:26:39,484 --> 01:26:40,954
We're not going away.
1729
01:26:41,604 --> 01:26:43,764
We're gonna tell this story, we're gonna tell it right.
1730
01:26:43,794 --> 01:26:45,284
We just need a little more time.
1731
01:26:45,324 --> 01:26:46,814
That's all we're asking for.
1732
01:26:49,424 --> 01:26:51,074
Why bother asking?
1733
01:26:52,474 --> 01:26:54,164
You're gonna do what you want anyway.
1734
01:26:55,594 --> 01:26:56,764
You always do.
1735
01:26:57,784 --> 01:27:00,524
Phil... Phil!
1736
01:27:06,874 --> 01:27:07,714
Hey.
1737
01:27:07,874 --> 01:27:09,114
How's South Beach?
1738
01:27:09,364 --> 01:27:10,404
It's Boynton Beach.
1739
01:27:10,734 --> 01:27:12,404
Remarkably different place.
1740
01:27:12,484 --> 01:27:13,444
What's up?
1741
01:27:13,764 --> 01:27:15,684
Mitch Garabedian called me today.
1742
01:27:16,074 --> 01:27:17,224
Why did he call you?
1743
01:27:17,244 --> 01:27:18,524
Because he knew you'd yell at him.
1744
01:27:18,764 --> 01:27:20,324
He refiled the docs.
1745
01:27:20,344 --> 01:27:21,494
What?
1746
01:27:21,744 --> 01:27:23,494
Robby, those docs are public now.
1747
01:27:23,514 --> 01:27:24,974
We got to get there before everybody else does.
1748
01:27:24,984 --> 01:27:26,124
I know, I know, I know.
1749
01:27:26,714 --> 01:27:28,124
Just wrap up whatever you're doing...
1750
01:27:28,154 --> 01:27:29,594
and get the first flight out.
1751
01:27:29,624 --> 01:27:31,714
I'll book the flight now and go straigth to the courthouse tomorrow.
1752
01:27:31,734 --> 01:27:33,664
- Alright, call me when you get in.
- Ok.
1753
01:27:35,774 --> 01:27:38,754
Robby, I'll go to a Phil Saviano now that we're back on it.
1754
01:27:38,904 --> 01:27:40,154
Good idea.
1755
01:27:40,904 --> 01:27:42,154
Go and have dinner with Hansi.
1756
01:27:42,174 --> 01:27:43,844
Might be the last time for a while.
1757
01:27:49,554 --> 01:27:50,824
- Robby.
- Yeah?
1758
01:27:50,854 --> 01:27:53,574
After we saw Macleish, I started going back through the clips...
1759
01:27:53,754 --> 01:27:56,664
and I had a little time last week finally, so...
1760
01:27:58,294 --> 01:27:59,434
I found that.
1761
01:28:00,294 --> 01:28:01,534
It's from'93.
1762
01:28:03,654 --> 01:28:05,304
Lawyer for Porter victims says...
1763
01:28:05,314 --> 01:28:07,114
20 other priests in area are accused.
1764
01:28:12,274 --> 01:28:13,274
Is that it?
1765
01:28:15,474 --> 01:28:17,054
Yeah, yeah... That's it.
1766
01:28:19,954 --> 01:28:23,494
- Good night.
- Ok. Good night.
1767
01:29:03,564 --> 01:29:05,694
So I was probably a few years after you, right?
1768
01:29:05,704 --> 01:29:08,804
No, you were more than a few. Believe me.
1769
01:29:09,764 --> 01:29:12,654
After the BC High, I came down to Providence...
1770
01:29:12,884 --> 01:29:14,494
I played hockey for the Friars.
1771
01:29:15,104 --> 01:29:17,634
Oh well, you must've been pretty good.
1772
01:29:17,734 --> 01:29:19,894
No, rode the bench in college. Yeah.
1773
01:29:20,314 --> 01:29:21,404
But I love the city.
1774
01:29:22,364 --> 01:29:24,284
And we just had our third kid.
1775
01:29:24,514 --> 01:29:26,554
And I still get my Globe, for the record.
1776
01:29:26,644 --> 01:29:28,824
That's good to know, good to know.
1777
01:29:29,624 --> 01:29:30,874
Look, Kevin...
1778
01:29:32,264 --> 01:29:33,674
It's actually why I'm here.
1779
01:29:35,194 --> 01:29:36,264
I...
1780
01:29:36,594 --> 01:29:39,164
Need to ask you some questions about Father Talbot.
1781
01:29:46,674 --> 01:29:47,844
How'd you find out?
1782
01:29:48,974 --> 01:29:50,244
Well...
1783
01:29:51,704 --> 01:29:53,134
I guess it doesn't matter.
1784
01:29:58,984 --> 01:30:01,574
I never even told my wife.
1785
01:30:03,724 --> 01:30:04,724
Excuse me!
1786
01:30:09,864 --> 01:30:11,854
Hey, hey, I need to get in there!
1787
01:30:11,864 --> 01:30:12,644
We're closed.
1788
01:30:12,704 --> 01:30:13,954
Come on, let me in, five minutes.
1789
01:30:13,984 --> 01:30:14,944
I'm sorry, we're closed.
1790
01:30:14,974 --> 01:30:16,354
Come on, 5 minutes.
1791
01:30:16,644 --> 01:30:17,644
Fuck!
1792
01:30:31,714 --> 01:30:32,804
Here you go.
1793
01:30:36,554 --> 01:30:38,124
- This is the Geoghan case?
- That's right.
1794
01:30:38,984 --> 01:30:40,414
Those records are sealed.
1795
01:30:40,484 --> 01:30:42,014
No. That's a public motion.
1796
01:30:42,034 --> 01:30:43,424
Those record are public.
1797
01:30:43,634 --> 01:30:44,824
Look, I work for The Globe.
1798
01:30:45,824 --> 01:30:46,824
Good for you.
1799
01:30:48,894 --> 01:30:50,124
Can I talk to your supervisor?
1800
01:30:50,134 --> 01:30:51,314
He's not in today.
1801
01:30:52,504 --> 01:30:53,474
What about a Judge?
1802
01:30:53,494 --> 01:30:55,864
There must be Judges that work on this kind of thing.
1803
01:30:56,744 --> 01:30:57,744
Sixth floor.
1804
01:31:04,284 --> 01:31:06,124
We understand the nature...
1805
01:31:06,294 --> 01:31:07,844
of the allegations against Father Talbot.
1806
01:31:08,414 --> 01:31:11,274
I'm just not sure what you want from President Kemeza.
1807
01:31:12,254 --> 01:31:14,594
Talbot taught here long before Bill took over.
1808
01:31:14,754 --> 01:31:15,694
Of course.
1809
01:31:15,854 --> 01:31:17,994
We just want to know if that's possible...
1810
01:31:18,034 --> 01:31:20,144
that the President, the Faculty, the Board...
1811
01:31:20,294 --> 01:31:22,054
that no one knew what was going on at the time.
1812
01:31:22,194 --> 01:31:24,334
I graduated in 1979 and...
1813
01:31:24,594 --> 01:31:26,334
I had no idea about any of this, so...
1814
01:31:26,634 --> 01:31:28,164
If you're suggesting that Father Gibbons...
1815
01:31:28,184 --> 01:31:30,104
and Father Callahan had in anyway...
1816
01:31:30,124 --> 01:31:34,044
Gibbons and Callahan ran this place like the navy,
1817
01:31:34,974 --> 01:31:36,404
You really think they didn't know?
1818
01:31:37,644 --> 01:31:39,334
It's a big school, Robby. You know that.
1819
01:31:40,154 --> 01:31:42,334
And we're talking about seven...
1820
01:31:42,334 --> 01:31:44,444
alleged victims over what, eight years?
1821
01:31:44,464 --> 01:31:47,844
We're talking about... Seven that we know about..
1822
01:31:48,034 --> 01:31:49,524
This is ridiculous!
1823
01:31:50,164 --> 01:31:53,024
- You're reaching for the story here...
- Jack. Jack, Jack.
1824
01:31:53,834 --> 01:31:56,794
If I had been President then, I would have known.
1825
01:31:57,464 --> 01:31:59,624
Bill, I'm not sure that's relevant.
1826
01:31:59,654 --> 01:32:02,354
Why do you think they sent Talbot up to Cheverus?
1827
01:32:02,644 --> 01:32:04,704
You know, they wanted him out of town.
1828
01:32:06,714 --> 01:32:07,554
Robby...
1829
01:32:07,774 --> 01:32:09,904
As well intentioned this Bill's remarks are,
1830
01:32:09,904 --> 01:32:11,824
I'm hoping we can keep this between us...
1831
01:32:11,824 --> 01:32:14,104
until we all get on the same page.
1832
01:32:17,354 --> 01:32:19,684
Is that why we are here? To get on the same page?
1833
01:32:19,724 --> 01:32:22,174
No. We're here because you're an important alumnus Robby...
1834
01:32:22,214 --> 01:32:23,034
and a friend.
1835
01:32:23,064 --> 01:32:25,074
Exactly. And we know...
1836
01:32:25,114 --> 01:32:27,094
you care about the school as much as we do.
1837
01:32:29,064 --> 01:32:31,194
Did you play your sport here, Jack?
1838
01:32:31,234 --> 01:32:33,014
Yeah, football. Why?
1839
01:32:33,534 --> 01:32:34,924
I ran track.
1840
01:32:35,134 --> 01:32:37,324
You know, I went to Providence yesterday...
1841
01:32:37,344 --> 01:32:39,504
talked to one of Father Talbot victims.
1842
01:32:39,534 --> 01:32:42,294
He played hockey here... And...
1843
01:32:42,334 --> 01:32:43,604
He was one of the better ones...
1844
01:32:43,624 --> 01:32:45,514
He's got wife, kids...
1845
01:32:45,714 --> 01:32:47,494
good job.
1846
01:32:47,714 --> 01:32:50,494
About 10 minutes into the conversation...
1847
01:32:51,934 --> 01:32:53,284
guy breaks down.
1848
01:32:53,894 --> 01:32:55,414
You know, couldn't stop crying.
1849
01:32:57,074 --> 01:32:58,774
Said he could never figure out why...
1850
01:32:58,804 --> 01:33:00,554
Father Talbot picked him.
1851
01:33:02,864 --> 01:33:05,214
Father Talbot coached the hockey team.
1852
01:33:07,374 --> 01:33:08,404
So...
1853
01:33:09,974 --> 01:33:11,794
I guess we just got lucky.
1854
01:33:12,774 --> 01:33:13,794
You and me.
1855
01:33:20,584 --> 01:33:21,874
Does Jack Dunn work for the school?
1856
01:33:21,994 --> 01:33:24,114
No. He's PR for the Boston College.
1857
01:33:24,154 --> 01:33:26,094
They call him when they need help.
1858
01:33:26,164 --> 01:33:28,054
And Pete Conley, why was he there?
1859
01:33:28,094 --> 01:33:29,314
Good question.
1860
01:33:29,394 --> 01:33:31,314
Pete's a big alum, but I called Bill directly...
1861
01:33:31,334 --> 01:33:32,744
and I asked for a sit-down,
1862
01:33:32,834 --> 01:33:34,344
I never mentioned anybody else.
1863
01:33:36,404 --> 01:33:38,264
Looks like everybody already knows the story.
1864
01:33:38,474 --> 01:33:40,514
Yeah, except us...
1865
01:33:40,604 --> 01:33:41,904
and we work right there.
1866
01:33:45,604 --> 01:33:47,534
- Judge Volterra?
- Yes.
1867
01:33:47,644 --> 01:33:49,894
Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe.
1868
01:33:49,924 --> 01:33:51,334
I've been having some troubles...
1869
01:33:51,424 --> 01:33:53,494
accessing some public records down in the records room.
1870
01:33:53,524 --> 01:33:56,204
I was wondering if I can have a word with you?
1871
01:33:56,244 --> 01:33:57,574
- Alright.
- Thank you.
1872
01:34:03,224 --> 01:34:06,134
These exhibits you're after Mr. Rezendes...
1873
01:34:07,244 --> 01:34:09,044
They're very sensitive records.
1874
01:34:09,734 --> 01:34:12,374
With all due respect Your Honor, that's not the question.
1875
01:34:13,234 --> 01:34:14,554
The records are public.
1876
01:34:15,874 --> 01:34:17,864
Maybe so, but tell me...
1877
01:34:18,184 --> 01:34:20,724
Where is the editorial responsibility...
1878
01:34:20,734 --> 01:34:22,644
In publishing records of this nature?
1879
01:34:22,784 --> 01:34:24,584
Well, where is the editorial responsibility...
1880
01:34:24,594 --> 01:34:26,144
in not publishing them?
1881
01:34:36,864 --> 01:34:39,254
You can't take those. You need to make copies.
1882
01:34:39,394 --> 01:34:42,044
- I'm going to the copy room.
- It's been closed at 4 p.m.
1883
01:34:46,904 --> 01:34:48,834
Look, I'll give you...
1884
01:34:50,974 --> 01:34:52,634
$83 to use yours.
1885
01:34:58,844 --> 01:35:00,244
Hey, cab!
1886
01:35:01,384 --> 01:35:04,334
Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
1887
01:35:07,194 --> 01:35:09,284
Take me to The Boston Globe on Morrissey Boulevard.
1888
01:35:09,764 --> 01:35:12,974
Don't take 93, take Dorchester Avenue.
1889
01:35:14,834 --> 01:35:16,234
Robby, it's incredible.
1890
01:35:16,484 --> 01:35:19,494
Law knew about Geoghan for years, no question.
1891
01:35:19,774 --> 01:35:21,744
There's a letter to Law...
1892
01:35:21,754 --> 01:35:24,144
from a woman, Margaret Gallant, who lived in Jamaica Plain...
1893
01:35:24,154 --> 01:35:25,944
in early 80's when Geoghan was there.
1894
01:35:25,964 --> 01:35:26,764
Listen to this.
1895
01:35:27,214 --> 01:35:29,544
Our family is rooted in the Church.
1896
01:35:29,574 --> 01:35:32,324
Our desire is to protect the holy orders.
1897
01:35:32,514 --> 01:35:34,674
Even in the midst of our agony...
1898
01:35:34,684 --> 01:35:36,274
over the seven boys in our family...
1899
01:35:36,404 --> 01:35:38,074
who have been violated.
1900
01:35:38,094 --> 01:35:39,984
Seven Robby. Seven boys!
1901
01:35:40,554 --> 01:35:43,234
It was suggested that we keep silent.
1902
01:35:43,724 --> 01:35:45,684
We did not question the Authority of the Church...
1903
01:35:45,724 --> 01:35:46,924
two years ago.
1904
01:35:47,064 --> 01:35:49,854
But since, Father Geoghan is still in his parish.
1905
01:35:49,934 --> 01:35:53,264
Which she send it to Law and Law did shit!
1906
01:35:53,734 --> 01:35:55,524
Here's another one to Law, same year.
1907
01:35:55,784 --> 01:35:56,624
Listen to this.
1908
01:35:57,274 --> 01:35:59,824
"A word on the recent assaignment to Father Geoghan..."
1909
01:35:59,854 --> 01:36:02,374
"as an associate at Saint Julia's in Weston..."
1910
01:36:02,814 --> 01:36:05,674
"Father Geoghan has a history of homosexual involvement..."
1911
01:36:05,814 --> 01:36:07,224
with young boys.
1912
01:36:07,524 --> 01:36:09,944
I understand his recent departure from Saint Brendan's may be...
1913
01:36:09,964 --> 01:36:11,344
related to this problem."
1914
01:36:11,434 --> 01:36:13,324
"I wonder if Father Geoghan should not be..."
1915
01:36:13,354 --> 01:36:15,214
reduced to just weekend work while...
1916
01:36:15,224 --> 01:36:16,654
receiving some kind of therapy.
1917
01:36:17,094 --> 01:36:19,794
You know how grateful I am to you for you constant concern...
1918
01:36:19,814 --> 01:36:21,624
sincerely yours in our Lord,
1919
01:36:21,664 --> 01:36:23,434
most reverend John M. Darcy,
1920
01:36:23,454 --> 01:36:27,074
Auxiliary Bishop of Boston. December 7, 1984."
1921
01:36:27,104 --> 01:36:28,354
An Auxiliary Bishop wrote that?
1922
01:36:28,504 --> 01:36:29,554
That's incredible.
1923
01:36:30,304 --> 01:36:33,474
He broke ranks, I mean... When did Gallant write her letter?
1924
01:36:33,504 --> 01:36:34,654
1984.
1925
01:36:34,704 --> 01:36:35,854
And Law just ignored it.
1926
01:36:35,884 --> 01:36:37,584
How do you ignore that freaking letter?
1927
01:36:37,734 --> 01:36:38,754
We've got him.
1928
01:36:39,324 --> 01:36:41,254
You can't read this letters and think anything else.
1929
01:36:41,364 --> 01:36:42,154
It's proof.
1930
01:36:42,224 --> 01:36:43,874
Yeah, it is.
1931
01:36:44,584 --> 01:36:46,164
This is good work.
1932
01:36:46,784 --> 01:36:48,164
Should we take it up to Ben?
1933
01:36:50,324 --> 01:36:51,944
No, not yet.
1934
01:36:52,224 --> 01:36:53,644
Why not?
1935
01:36:54,064 --> 01:36:55,484
We got Law. This is it.
1936
01:36:55,524 --> 01:36:58,254
No, this is Law covering for one priest.
1937
01:36:58,284 --> 01:36:59,614
There's other 90 out there.
1938
01:36:59,784 --> 01:37:01,514
Yeah, we'll print that story when we get it.
1939
01:37:01,654 --> 01:37:02,924
But we got to go with this now.
1940
01:37:02,944 --> 01:37:04,974
No, I'm not gonna rush this story, Mike.
1941
01:37:05,014 --> 01:37:06,304
But we don't have a choice, Robby.
1942
01:37:06,344 --> 01:37:09,904
If we don't rush to print somebody else is gonna find this letters...
1943
01:37:09,924 --> 01:37:11,064
and butcher the story.
1944
01:37:11,084 --> 01:37:13,804
John Quinby from The Herald was at the freaking courthouse.
1945
01:37:14,014 --> 01:37:15,604
So we'll write a holding story...
1946
01:37:15,634 --> 01:37:17,194
and we'll keep our eye on The Herald.
1947
01:37:17,214 --> 01:37:18,144
- Keep our eye on The Herald?
- Yeah.
1948
01:37:18,164 --> 01:37:19,924
If they run this and they get it wrong...
1949
01:37:19,944 --> 01:37:21,084
the Church will bury it.
1950
01:37:21,144 --> 01:37:22,184
We got to do this now.
1951
01:37:22,214 --> 01:37:23,334
Mike, Mike.
1952
01:37:23,354 --> 01:37:25,034
What? Why are we hesitating?
1953
01:37:25,294 --> 01:37:27,284
Baron told us to get Law. This is Law.
1954
01:37:27,324 --> 01:37:29,514
Baron told us to get the system.
1955
01:37:29,554 --> 01:37:31,014
We need the full scope.
1956
01:37:31,334 --> 01:37:33,454
That's the only thing that will put an end on this.
1957
01:37:33,474 --> 01:37:35,214
Then let's take it up to Ben and let him decide.
1958
01:37:35,434 --> 01:37:37,564
We'll take to Ben when I say it's time.
1959
01:37:37,584 --> 01:37:39,824
It's time, Robby! It's time!
1960
01:37:41,244 --> 01:37:43,944
They knew and they let it happen...
1961
01:37:43,984 --> 01:37:46,324
to kids. Ok?
1962
01:37:46,584 --> 01:37:48,124
It could have been you, It could have been me.
1963
01:37:48,174 --> 01:37:49,734
It could have been any of us.
1964
01:37:50,984 --> 01:37:52,624
We gotta nail these scumbags.
1965
01:37:52,644 --> 01:37:53,814
We gotta show people...
1966
01:37:53,994 --> 01:37:55,974
that nobody can get away with this.
1967
01:37:56,064 --> 01:37:59,024
Not a priest or a Cardinal, or a freaking Pope!
1968
01:38:02,034 --> 01:38:04,864
- You finished?
- Yeah, I am.
1969
01:38:05,664 --> 01:38:06,894
This is bullshit!
1970
01:38:36,864 --> 01:38:37,864
You ok?
1971
01:38:48,114 --> 01:38:51,284
- Hi Hansi.
- Hard day at work, Mike?
1972
01:38:56,654 --> 01:38:57,714
- Here.
- Thank you.
1973
01:38:59,154 --> 01:39:01,834
I don't know why I got so pissed off, you know.
1974
01:39:01,954 --> 01:39:03,034
I think Robby is wrong.
1975
01:39:03,094 --> 01:39:05,264
You know, you just...
1976
01:39:05,394 --> 01:39:07,114
You care about the story, Mike. We all do.
1977
01:39:08,994 --> 01:39:10,284
Yeah, I guess.
1978
01:39:13,904 --> 01:39:15,684
I stopped going to Church with my nana.
1979
01:39:17,804 --> 01:39:21,044
It was... It was to hard, you know.
1980
01:39:21,174 --> 01:39:22,404
I'd be sitting there and I...
1981
01:39:22,414 --> 01:39:24,704
I would start thinking about Joe Crowley...
1982
01:39:24,734 --> 01:39:26,424
or someone else and I just...
1983
01:39:26,934 --> 01:39:28,424
I just got so angry.
1984
01:39:29,584 --> 01:39:31,684
Did you, did you tell her why?
1985
01:39:32,704 --> 01:39:35,164
She goes to Church 3 times a week, Mike.
1986
01:39:40,294 --> 01:39:41,834
It really pisses me off.
1987
01:39:43,534 --> 01:39:44,664
Yeah.
1988
01:39:46,604 --> 01:39:49,574
I actually really liked going to Church when I was a little kid.
1989
01:39:51,644 --> 01:39:53,294
Why did you stop?
1990
01:39:53,344 --> 01:39:54,694
Typical shit.
1991
01:39:56,544 --> 01:39:57,984
But the weird thing is, is...
1992
01:40:01,684 --> 01:40:02,904
I think I...
1993
01:40:04,084 --> 01:40:06,004
I think I figured that maybe one day I would...
1994
01:40:08,724 --> 01:40:10,734
I would actually go back.
1995
01:40:12,724 --> 01:40:14,724
I really, I was holding on to that.
1996
01:40:17,434 --> 01:40:19,264
Then I read those letters and...
1997
01:40:20,834 --> 01:40:22,464
And something's just...
1998
01:40:23,464 --> 01:40:24,764
cracked.
1999
01:40:26,174 --> 01:40:28,234
- It's a shitty feeling.
- Yeah.
2000
01:40:29,674 --> 01:40:31,234
It's a shitty feeling.
2001
01:40:35,614 --> 01:40:37,644
- Looks like a long day.
- Hey Pete.
2002
01:40:37,664 --> 01:40:39,304
I'm sorry to make it longer.
2003
01:40:40,094 --> 01:40:41,094
Brian...
2004
01:40:42,424 --> 01:40:44,644
Does anyone ever said no to a drink with you, Pete.
2005
01:40:45,864 --> 01:40:47,154
Well sure.
2006
01:40:47,564 --> 01:40:49,354
The trick is to keep asking.
2007
01:40:49,834 --> 01:40:51,824
- For Boston.
- For Boston.
2008
01:40:54,974 --> 01:40:57,504
So... You're here for the Cardinal?
2009
01:40:57,674 --> 01:41:00,404
No, no, no. I wouldn't.
2010
01:41:00,514 --> 01:41:03,224
I wouldn't presume to speak for the Cardinal, you know.
2011
01:41:04,754 --> 01:41:05,774
You know?
2012
01:41:06,384 --> 01:41:08,564
You got a lot of people here respect you, Robby.
2013
01:41:08,604 --> 01:41:10,284
- Yeah.
- With work you do.
2014
01:41:10,924 --> 01:41:12,204
That's good to know.
2015
01:41:12,224 --> 01:41:13,994
You know, it's cause you care about this place.
2016
01:41:14,194 --> 01:41:14,804
Yeah.
2017
01:41:14,824 --> 01:41:16,774
It's why you do what you do, it's who you are.
2018
01:41:17,664 --> 01:41:19,884
But people need the Church
2019
01:41:20,764 --> 01:41:22,584
more than ever right now.
2020
01:41:23,364 --> 01:41:24,894
You know, you can feel it.
2021
01:41:25,364 --> 01:41:26,814
And the Cardinal...
2022
01:41:28,634 --> 01:41:31,474
You know, the Cardinal, he may not be perfect...
2023
01:41:31,964 --> 01:41:34,194
but we can't throw out all the good he's doing
2024
01:41:34,204 --> 01:41:35,724
over a few bad apples.
2025
01:41:37,584 --> 01:41:39,174
You know, I'm bringing this up to you...
2026
01:41:39,174 --> 01:41:42,274
because I know this is Baron's idea. His agenda.
2027
01:41:43,284 --> 01:41:45,364
I gotta tell you, honest to God, I mean...
2028
01:41:45,384 --> 01:41:47,454
He doesn't care about this city the way we do.
2029
01:41:48,694 --> 01:41:49,814
I mean, how could he?
2030
01:41:56,534 --> 01:41:59,644
- This is how it happens, isn't it, Pete?
- What's that?
2031
01:41:59,874 --> 01:42:02,584
Guy leans on the guy and suddenly...
2032
01:42:02,614 --> 01:42:04,844
the whole town just looks the other way.
2033
01:42:07,144 --> 01:42:08,314
Robby, Robby...
2034
01:42:09,574 --> 01:42:10,624
Look it...
2035
01:42:11,574 --> 01:42:13,924
Marty Baron is just trying to make his mark.
2036
01:42:14,344 --> 01:42:15,874
He's gonna be here for a couple of years...
2037
01:42:15,994 --> 01:42:17,504
and he's gonna move on,
2038
01:42:17,534 --> 01:42:19,804
just like he did in New York and Miami.
2039
01:42:21,794 --> 01:42:23,114
Where are you gonna go?
2040
01:42:28,664 --> 01:42:30,734
Good night, Robby. Brian.
2041
01:42:32,034 --> 01:42:34,464
- Hey Pete?
- Yeah.
2042
01:42:36,634 --> 01:42:38,554
When we do run the story,
2043
01:42:38,914 --> 01:42:41,174
I'm gonna need a comment from the Cardinal.
2044
01:42:43,314 --> 01:42:45,874
We'll talk again later. Good night, Robby.
2045
01:42:45,884 --> 01:42:46,904
Good night, Pete.
2046
01:42:57,764 --> 01:42:58,764
Robby.
2047
01:43:00,634 --> 01:43:01,774
What?
2048
01:43:02,434 --> 01:43:04,174
No shit. When?
2049
01:43:06,604 --> 01:43:08,514
Ok. Yeah.
2050
01:43:11,774 --> 01:43:12,774
Hey...
2051
01:43:13,914 --> 01:43:14,914
What's up?
2052
01:43:16,314 --> 01:43:18,384
Sweeney ruled in our favor.
2053
01:43:18,514 --> 01:43:20,584
She ruled to unseal the documents.
2054
01:43:22,314 --> 01:43:23,314
Jesus!
2055
01:43:27,454 --> 01:43:29,044
Church has already filed an appeal...
2056
01:43:29,074 --> 01:43:30,624
but the trial Court of ruling...
2057
01:43:30,644 --> 01:43:32,624
is generally upheld in this matters.
2058
01:43:32,814 --> 01:43:34,754
And when do we get the documents?
2059
01:43:35,364 --> 01:43:37,724
Probably takes Cohen a few weeks to rule...
2060
01:43:37,914 --> 01:43:39,574
and then there's a redaction process.
2061
01:43:40,234 --> 01:43:43,034
I'd say it would be made public, mid January.
2062
01:43:44,104 --> 01:43:45,104
- Ok.
- Alright.
2063
01:43:45,224 --> 01:43:46,364
- Thanks Jon.
- You bet.
2064
01:43:46,574 --> 01:43:47,894
- Nice work.
- Thanks.
2065
01:43:48,474 --> 01:43:50,094
Metro should run something, Marty.
2066
01:43:50,474 --> 01:43:52,094
We can't run this one big.
2067
01:43:52,684 --> 01:43:53,864
Why wouldn't we?
2068
01:43:53,884 --> 01:43:55,614
It's a major First Amendment victory.
2069
01:43:55,684 --> 01:43:57,834
Not to mention you got an Irish catholic Judge...
2070
01:43:57,864 --> 01:43:59,304
ruling against the Church.
2071
01:43:59,424 --> 01:44:00,854
That's a hell of a precedent.
2072
01:44:01,424 --> 01:44:03,854
We don't want the Herald going deep on this.
2073
01:44:04,584 --> 01:44:05,704
Why is that?
2074
01:44:08,064 --> 01:44:09,674
You're gonna have to step out, Peter.
2075
01:44:10,014 --> 01:44:11,274
I'm not stepping out.
2076
01:44:20,174 --> 01:44:21,244
Peter...
2077
01:44:35,824 --> 01:44:38,044
- When did you...?
- Couple of weeks ago.
2078
01:44:38,124 --> 01:44:39,364
Couple of weeks?
2079
01:44:39,454 --> 01:44:40,244
Yeah.
2080
01:44:40,264 --> 01:44:42,804
- And you're telling us now?
- These are substantial.
2081
01:44:44,064 --> 01:44:46,394
It clearly shows that Law was negligent.
2082
01:44:47,234 --> 01:44:49,634
I need more time. I wanna keep digging.
2083
01:44:49,974 --> 01:44:51,314
For what? This is the goddamn story.
2084
01:44:51,374 --> 01:44:52,714
It's not the whole story.
2085
01:44:52,804 --> 01:44:54,314
Tough shit, we're on a clock now.
2086
01:44:54,704 --> 01:44:56,184
Even if we don't run Sweeney's rulings...
2087
01:44:56,224 --> 01:44:58,344
another paper could find this letters and fuck the story.
2088
01:44:58,384 --> 01:44:59,474
Agreed.
2089
01:44:59,504 --> 01:45:00,834
But we run these letters alone...
2090
01:45:00,844 --> 01:45:02,764
Law apologizes, says it's one time thing...
2091
01:45:02,784 --> 01:45:04,084
and he can bury it.
2092
01:45:04,254 --> 01:45:05,844
How? This clearly show he knew...
2093
01:45:05,874 --> 01:45:07,034
and did nothing about it.
2094
01:45:07,054 --> 01:45:10,084
Look, I'm close to stories on 70 priests.
2095
01:45:10,554 --> 01:45:13,454
We nail that along with those letters...
2096
01:45:13,484 --> 01:45:16,144
this is proof that this is bigger than Law.
2097
01:45:17,104 --> 01:45:18,354
This is the whole system.
2098
01:45:19,324 --> 01:45:20,844
Your multiple sources...
2099
01:45:20,854 --> 01:45:22,584
confirming all those priests?
2100
01:45:22,724 --> 01:45:24,344
Some. I'll get more.
2101
01:45:24,744 --> 01:45:26,794
Too risky. If we're not buttoned up...
2102
01:45:26,804 --> 01:45:29,084
on every single one of them the Church will pick us apart.
2103
01:45:31,014 --> 01:45:33,404
I think I can get us someone from the other side of the isle.
2104
01:45:33,654 --> 01:45:35,354
Somebody inside the Church?
2105
01:45:36,054 --> 01:45:37,454
Yeah, a lawyer.
2106
01:45:37,954 --> 01:45:39,224
Will he go on the record?
2107
01:45:40,154 --> 01:45:42,584
Deep background, but he's a solid source.
2108
01:45:46,324 --> 01:45:48,584
Rezendes needs time to write the story.
2109
01:45:48,874 --> 01:45:50,094
We don't want to drop it on Christmass...
2110
01:45:50,114 --> 01:45:51,244
not after the 9/11.
2111
01:45:52,534 --> 01:45:54,684
We can run it just after New Years.
2112
01:45:54,874 --> 01:45:57,044
Before they release the rest of the documents.
2113
01:46:00,974 --> 01:46:01,974
Alright.
2114
01:46:03,144 --> 01:46:05,714
Tell Canellos to bury the ruling in Metro.
2115
01:46:07,614 --> 01:46:10,504
- You got six weeks.
- Thank you.
2116
01:46:11,854 --> 01:46:13,934
Tell Mike I want a draft by Christmass.
2117
01:46:13,954 --> 01:46:16,634
- And we need a response from Lake Street.
- Yeah.
2118
01:46:16,654 --> 01:46:17,664
Who does PR for the Cardinal?
2119
01:46:17,774 --> 01:46:18,614
Still John Walsh?
2120
01:46:18,644 --> 01:46:20,014
No, somebody new. Donna Morrissey.
2121
01:46:20,114 --> 01:46:21,634
She came from TV. She's young.
2122
01:46:21,794 --> 01:46:24,874
Good, get a quote. We need something from Law to appear even-handed.
2123
01:46:24,904 --> 01:46:27,104
Robby, next time give me a goddamn heads up.
2124
01:46:27,374 --> 01:46:28,374
Will do.
2125
01:47:51,824 --> 01:47:53,904
Robby, what a nice surprise.
2126
01:47:54,424 --> 01:47:55,604
Come on in.
2127
01:48:02,734 --> 01:48:05,534
Hey hun... Look who I found outside.
2128
01:48:08,604 --> 01:48:10,214
Karen, can you give us a minute?
2129
01:48:12,144 --> 01:48:15,104
- Sure.
- Good to see you, Karen.
2130
01:48:18,484 --> 01:48:19,484
What's up?
2131
01:48:34,664 --> 01:48:35,984
I'm out of time, Jim.
2132
01:48:37,304 --> 01:48:40,344
We got cover-up stories on 70 priests.
2133
01:48:40,674 --> 01:48:42,584
But the boss is not gonna run it...
2134
01:48:42,634 --> 01:48:45,084
unless I got confirmation from your side.
2135
01:48:47,044 --> 01:48:48,954
Are you out of your mind?
2136
01:48:48,984 --> 01:48:51,464
Come on. This is our town, Jimmy.
2137
01:48:51,714 --> 01:48:53,904
Everybody knew something was going on.
2138
01:48:54,214 --> 01:48:55,504
And no one did a thing.
2139
01:48:56,414 --> 01:48:58,174
We got to put an end to it.
2140
01:48:58,204 --> 01:48:59,924
Don't tell me what I got to do.
2141
01:49:00,524 --> 01:49:02,294
Yeah, I helped defend this scumbags,
2142
01:49:02,404 --> 01:49:04,034
but that's my job, Robby.
2143
01:49:04,284 --> 01:49:06,034
I was doing my job!
2144
01:49:06,964 --> 01:49:08,074
Yeah.
2145
01:49:09,434 --> 01:49:11,044
You and everyone else.
2146
01:49:19,744 --> 01:49:21,434
Get out of my house.
2147
01:49:32,424 --> 01:49:33,424
Hey!
2148
01:49:35,524 --> 01:49:38,744
You come to my home and lay this shit on me?
2149
01:49:38,934 --> 01:49:40,514
You were right, Robby.
2150
01:49:41,034 --> 01:49:43,944
We all knew something was going on.
2151
01:49:43,984 --> 01:49:45,524
So where were you?
2152
01:49:46,884 --> 01:49:48,224
What took you so long?
2153
01:49:54,814 --> 01:49:56,194
I don't know, Jim.
2154
01:50:01,554 --> 01:50:02,764
Give me the list.
2155
01:50:59,504 --> 01:51:00,774
Larry, we're gonna press in 6 hours.
2156
01:51:00,774 --> 01:51:03,554
Donna Morrissey said she'd call us with quote from Law hours ago.
2157
01:51:03,594 --> 01:51:05,654
- That's what I thought.
- Where did you talk to her?
2158
01:51:05,874 --> 01:51:07,044
Ok, Ok.
2159
01:51:07,874 --> 01:51:10,044
Yeah, yeah that's good to know.
2160
01:51:10,384 --> 01:51:12,574
- Thanks Pete.
- Anything?
2161
01:51:12,924 --> 01:51:14,874
Conley said that Donna Morrissey should have called,
2162
01:51:14,884 --> 01:51:15,784
he just left Lake Street.
2163
01:51:15,924 --> 01:51:17,864
Yeah. Rasky said the same thing.
2164
01:51:17,884 --> 01:51:18,874
This si ridiculous.
2165
01:51:18,884 --> 01:51:20,374
You think they wanna get ahead on this.
2166
01:51:20,384 --> 01:51:22,034
I mean they be idiots not to.
2167
01:51:22,194 --> 01:51:25,704
I would love to see their faces when they read this thing man.
2168
01:51:25,724 --> 01:51:27,674
You know Sunday's the Feast of the Epiphany?
2169
01:51:28,334 --> 01:51:29,334
Seems appropriate.
2170
01:51:35,774 --> 01:51:36,884
Mike Rezendes.
2171
01:51:38,744 --> 01:51:39,584
Hey Donna.
2172
01:51:40,274 --> 01:51:41,084
Thanks for calling.
2173
01:51:41,104 --> 01:51:43,304
Yeah. I just had a few questions if you have a minute.
2174
01:51:46,024 --> 01:51:47,534
What?
2175
01:51:48,554 --> 01:51:50,924
- What?
- Other adjective.
2176
01:51:52,824 --> 01:51:55,064
- Anything?
- Law just turned us down.
2177
01:51:55,084 --> 01:51:56,144
Jesus Christ.
2178
01:51:56,384 --> 01:51:58,044
I just got of the phone with Donna Morrissey...
2179
01:51:58,064 --> 01:51:59,984
she said, quote "we don't even want..."
2180
01:51:59,994 --> 01:52:01,214
to know what the questions are".
2181
01:52:01,234 --> 01:52:03,074
- End quote.
- Did she really said that?
2182
01:52:03,134 --> 01:52:05,064
- Yeah.
- Well, that oughta do it.
2183
01:52:05,344 --> 01:52:07,504
The Church had no interests in knowing...
2184
01:52:07,514 --> 01:52:09,654
what the Globe's questions would be.
2185
01:52:11,144 --> 01:52:13,544
Work it in somewhere before the jump. Anything else?
2186
01:52:13,744 --> 01:52:16,504
Matt wants to put the letters online, so that the readers...
2187
01:52:16,504 --> 01:52:17,504
can see for themselves.
2188
01:52:17,534 --> 01:52:19,964
We can run the URL at the bottom of the article.
2189
01:52:20,184 --> 01:52:21,864
- It's pretty straightforward.
- Ok.
2190
01:52:21,894 --> 01:52:24,024
We also put the Spotlight tip line at the end of the story...
2191
01:52:24,064 --> 01:52:25,514
so people can call in.
2192
01:52:25,524 --> 01:52:26,924
It goes directly to our office.
2193
01:52:26,954 --> 01:52:28,184
Matt and I can go in the morning...
2194
01:52:28,194 --> 01:52:29,414
in case we get any calls.
2195
01:52:29,444 --> 01:52:31,484
I'm more concerned about the phones at reception.
2196
01:52:31,504 --> 01:52:32,914
After we ran the Porter case,
2197
01:52:32,994 --> 01:52:34,514
the message center were tied up for weeks.
2198
01:52:35,674 --> 01:52:37,754
There were picketers too. Lots of them.
2199
01:52:37,974 --> 01:52:40,434
I'll talk to Richard about the security and the phones.
2200
01:52:41,174 --> 01:52:43,324
How are we coming on the folo story?
2201
01:52:44,114 --> 01:52:46,714
Well we've now done multiple stories on 70 priests.
2202
01:52:47,854 --> 01:52:48,954
All 70?
2203
01:52:49,054 --> 01:52:51,354
And with confirmation from Robby's source,
2204
01:52:51,374 --> 01:52:52,094
we are ready to go.
2205
01:52:52,134 --> 01:52:53,504
We can have a draft next week.
2206
01:52:53,634 --> 01:52:55,904
Robby, that source of yours,
2207
01:52:55,914 --> 01:52:57,604
is it something we could revisit?
2208
01:52:59,994 --> 01:53:00,994
It might be tough.
2209
01:53:01,134 --> 01:53:02,524
But he has no problem helping...
2210
01:53:02,534 --> 01:53:04,464
the Church protect dozens of dirty priests.
2211
01:53:04,604 --> 01:53:07,474
- Guy is a scumbag.
- He's a lawyer, he's doing his job.
2212
01:53:07,494 --> 01:53:09,824
- He's a shill for the Church.
- He knew and he did nothing.
2213
01:53:09,934 --> 01:53:12,044
He could have said something years ago. Maybe save some lives.
2214
01:53:12,304 --> 01:53:13,304
What about us?
2215
01:53:15,114 --> 01:53:16,444
What's that supposed to mean?
2216
01:53:16,514 --> 01:53:17,944
We had all the pieces.
2217
01:53:18,544 --> 01:53:20,244
Why didn't we get it sooner?
2218
01:53:20,264 --> 01:53:21,244
We didn't have all the pieces.
2219
01:53:21,264 --> 01:53:24,244
We had Saviano, we had Barrett, we had Geoghan.
2220
01:53:24,534 --> 01:53:26,204
We had the directories in the basement.
2221
01:53:26,354 --> 01:53:27,544
You know what, we got it now.
2222
01:53:27,564 --> 01:53:29,784
Robby, this story needed Spotlight.
2223
01:53:30,304 --> 01:53:32,744
Mike, Spotlight's been around since 1970.
2224
01:53:32,874 --> 01:53:34,704
So what? We couldn't see...
2225
01:53:34,724 --> 01:53:36,104
the scope of this. No one could.
2226
01:53:36,134 --> 01:53:38,224
Robby, this started with one goddamn priest.
2227
01:53:41,174 --> 01:53:44,154
Macleish sent us a letter of 20 priests years ago.
2228
01:53:44,174 --> 01:53:45,454
Sacha found a clip.
2229
01:53:46,644 --> 01:53:48,214
Are you freaking kidding me? 20 priests?
2230
01:53:48,744 --> 01:53:49,714
When?
2231
01:53:51,214 --> 01:53:53,614
Just after Porter. December of '93.
2232
01:53:53,904 --> 01:53:56,944
We buried the story in Metro. No folo.
2233
01:53:58,104 --> 01:53:59,544
That was you.
2234
01:54:01,354 --> 01:54:02,444
You were Metro.
2235
01:54:03,324 --> 01:54:05,454
Yeah. That was me.
2236
01:54:05,564 --> 01:54:08,454
I'd just taken over. I don't remember it at all.
2237
01:54:10,234 --> 01:54:11,234
But yeah.
2238
01:54:16,404 --> 01:54:18,964
Can I Say something here?
2239
01:54:20,714 --> 01:54:22,684
Sometimes it's easy to forget...
2240
01:54:22,694 --> 01:54:23,784
that we spend most of our time...
2241
01:54:23,814 --> 01:54:25,794
stumbling around the dark.
2242
01:54:26,084 --> 01:54:28,504
Suddenly a light gets turned on and...
2243
01:54:28,514 --> 01:54:31,244
there's a fair share of blame to go around.
2244
01:54:32,744 --> 01:54:34,254
I can't speak to what happened...
2245
01:54:34,264 --> 01:54:35,964
before I arrived, but...
2246
01:54:36,524 --> 01:54:39,374
All of you have done some very good reporting here,
2247
01:54:40,464 --> 01:54:42,414
reporting that I believe is gonna have...
2248
01:54:42,454 --> 01:54:44,934
an immediate and considerable impact...
2249
01:54:44,954 --> 01:54:46,344
on our readers.
2250
01:54:48,204 --> 01:54:51,744
For me, This kind of story is why we do this.
2251
01:54:52,304 --> 01:54:54,154
Having said that, Cardinal Law and...
2252
01:54:54,154 --> 01:54:55,854
the catholic community are gonna have...
2253
01:54:55,854 --> 01:54:57,694
a very strong response to this.
2254
01:54:58,804 --> 01:55:02,954
So if you need a moment, you've earned it.
2255
01:55:03,554 --> 01:55:08,434
But, I will need you back here monday morning, focused...
2256
01:55:09,024 --> 01:55:10,564
and ready to do your job.
2257
01:55:19,304 --> 01:55:21,774
- Leaving?
- Yeah.
2258
01:55:27,814 --> 01:55:30,634
I just got a call from the Cardinal.
2259
01:55:30,674 --> 01:55:32,334
Really? Why?
2260
01:55:32,344 --> 01:55:36,454
He wanted to tell me personally he had decided not to comment and...
2261
01:55:36,784 --> 01:55:40,664
He said he wanted to, uh, extend me that courtesy.
2262
01:55:40,684 --> 01:55:43,724
Jesus, the balls on that guy. What did you say?
2263
01:55:44,154 --> 01:55:47,144
I told him he was making mistake and that we're gonna run the story.
2264
01:55:47,494 --> 01:55:49,164
Damn right we're gonna run it.
2265
01:56:14,454 --> 01:56:17,524
Sacha, can I have a drink of water?
2266
01:56:17,564 --> 01:56:19,974
Yeah, sure nana. Yeah.
2267
01:56:31,344 --> 01:56:32,344
Can I keep this?
2268
01:56:33,924 --> 01:56:35,374
Sure.
2269
01:56:35,924 --> 01:56:37,374
I thought you should see it first.
2270
01:56:37,984 --> 01:56:39,134
Thank you for bringing it by.
2271
01:56:42,454 --> 01:56:44,864
Now I have some plans I have to attend to.
2272
01:57:03,074 --> 01:57:04,524
Both kids were abused.
2273
01:57:04,724 --> 01:57:06,844
Jamaica Plain two weeks ago.
2274
01:57:09,214 --> 01:57:12,854
Keep... Doing your work, Mr. Rezendes.
2275
01:57:14,584 --> 01:57:16,394
Hello!
2276
01:57:16,814 --> 01:57:18,274
How are you guys doing?
2277
01:57:19,684 --> 01:57:21,074
Good...
2278
01:57:44,314 --> 01:57:47,444
Church allowed abuse by priest for years.
2279
01:58:07,374 --> 01:58:09,504
- Hey.
- Good morning.
2280
01:58:10,234 --> 01:58:13,904
- How did you sleep?
- Not very well. You?
2281
01:58:14,004 --> 01:58:15,494
I haven't slept well for months.
2282
01:58:18,174 --> 01:58:19,904
I've actually started writing.
2283
01:58:20,534 --> 01:58:21,284
Writing?
2284
01:58:21,304 --> 01:58:22,714
Yeah. I'm working on a book.
2285
01:58:22,734 --> 01:58:24,544
Gives me something else to focus on.
2286
01:58:24,684 --> 01:58:26,024
What kind of book?
2287
01:58:26,384 --> 01:58:27,024
Horror.
2288
01:58:34,594 --> 01:58:35,594
Spotlight?
2289
01:58:37,034 --> 01:58:38,874
Yeah, yeah. Of course.
2290
01:58:39,234 --> 01:58:40,874
Can I get your name please?
2291
01:58:57,754 --> 01:59:00,404
- You do know it's sunday, right?
- Couldn't get a tee time.
2292
01:59:03,894 --> 01:59:04,904
No picketers.
2293
01:59:05,204 --> 01:59:07,864
Yeah. Well they're still at Church.
2294
01:59:10,494 --> 01:59:13,054
Hey Linda. It's quiet, huh?
2295
01:59:13,084 --> 01:59:15,444
Yeah. Easiest overtime I ever made,
2296
01:59:15,574 --> 01:59:17,074
Phone hasn't rang once.
2297
01:59:17,304 --> 01:59:19,394
Matty send two of mine down to Spotlight.
2298
01:59:23,144 --> 01:59:24,374
- Great article guys.
- Thank you.
2299
01:59:24,414 --> 01:59:26,674
- Thanks.
- Spotlight?
2300
01:59:53,244 --> 01:59:54,674
Phones have been ringing all morning.
2301
01:59:54,704 --> 01:59:56,284
- That's right.
- Thank you very much.
2302
01:59:56,574 --> 01:59:57,454
Spotlight.
2303
01:59:57,544 --> 01:59:59,534
- Mike, can you grab that?
- Yeah, yeah.
2304
02:00:00,844 --> 02:00:02,634
They're almost all victims, Robby.
2305
02:00:05,124 --> 02:00:06,124
I'm sorry...
2306
02:00:06,204 --> 02:00:07,484
This is Sacha Pfeiffer.
2307
02:00:08,134 --> 02:00:09,164
I'm sorry, can I...?
2308
02:00:11,384 --> 02:00:12,794
Yes you can reach me...
2309
02:00:13,964 --> 02:00:14,964
This is Spotlight.
2310
02:00:30,564 --> 02:00:31,624
This is Spotlight.
2311
02:00:32,305 --> 02:00:38,802
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