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hoax it's very well done if it's some if

it's not then I would say it's probably

revolutionary is it vacant if you

continue to ask questions that are out

of bounds I won't hesitate to terminate

this interview this is powerful because

this is not a staged event this is real

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interest in UFOs and area 51 is at an

all-time high last year a highly rated

TV special and best selling home video

purported to show an actual autopsy of

an alien being from the famous Roswell

New Mexico crash of 1947 many people and

even some experts believe that autopsy

footage was genuine if that was indeed

the body of an alien being from another

world could the footage in this program

be the world's first hard visual

evidence of an actual living and

breathing alien being an alien being

communicating in an interview with a

highly covert arm of the US government

if the footage we're about to show you

is genuine then this could very well be

the most important video in the history

of mankind proving once and for all

that we are not alone

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with in Nevada's Nellis Airforce range

protected by the tightest security in

the world is the groom lake test site

aka dreamland aka area 51 an

installation so secret the government

cryptically acknowledges its existence

only as an operating location until

recently the military flat-out denied

the presence of such a base it has

served as the testing ground for many

secret research and development projects

such as the u2 and sr-71 blackbird spy

planes the f-117a stealth fighter and

now the SR 75 penetrator the

super-secret replacement for the sr-71

every morning a select group of

specialists with high security

clearances some reportedly as high as 38

levels above top-secret arrived at

McCarran Airport in Las Vegas to be

flown to area 51 aboard a Boeing 737

from the time they leave the ground

until they return to Las Vegas at the

end of each working day they enter a

world no outsider can ever truly know

except through rumor and the occasional

shocking revelation

in 1989 a physicist named Robert Lazar

went public with the stunning claim that

the United States government was

test-flying disc-shaped aircraft of

extraterrestrial origin at area 51

interviewed in silhouette by a Las Vegas

TV reporter Lazar calling himself Dennis

claimed to be employed at a site on the

outskirts of area 51 known as s4 where

he was part of a team attempting to back

engineer the saucers to discover the

secret of their advanced propulsion

system it was a very sleek thin looking

flying saucer shaped craft there were

nine total I only got to essentially

work back engineer or analyze one of the

craft it's very plain it's all one solid

color a greatest pewter color the same

color as the outside of the craft there

are no sharp corners anywhere every

device in the craft the seat the

amplifier housings everything has a

rounded corner on it almost as if it was

all fashioned out of wax and then

slightly melted so everything curved

even where the ceiling meets the floor

on the end everything has a

very very plain very wide-open very

impractical use of space and there are

three levels the lower level houses the

amplifiers themselves that swing the

three of them the center level is where

you enter the craft where the seats and

the amplifiers are and the top level is

a small area and I did not have access

to that so I don't know what's up there

absolutely the alien craft there's no

question about it well first of all the

scope of the project was to back

engineer it if they were the United

States craft we wouldn't be going back

we're trying to find out how they were

built if we had built them second of all

the size of the equipment inside the

size of the seats the materials that

were in use completely alien to us

pardon the pun and you know the fuel

element 115 essentially non-existent all

these factors together and of course the

briefing information stating that they

were alien craft along with Robert Lazar

rocket scientist David Adair is one of

the few individuals who will go on

record concerning his personal

experiences with alien technology at

area 51 was not of our origin they

shouldn't let me see that and then in

the results of it they locked me in a

room and the reason they lock me up in a

room was because I wouldn't tell them

any more about how the engine would

function and they started getting a

little bit more perturbed about that a

former consultant to NASA and top

aerospace companies Adair claims that in

1971 he was brought in to study the

engine of a downed flying saucer

what I was looking at was a

technological marvel of his time and it

was a magnificent thing to see him

sitting there

and the whole situation just started

really getting me more angry than

anything because the fact that they

could sit on such a hunk of technology

and not tell us about it here we are

using liquid fuel engines and rockets at

NASA and here they've got an engine

that's probably in theory that we know

of

could be a speed of light an engine

capable speed of light or even faster

ufologist and lecturer Sean David Morton

has appeared on sightings strange

universe and hard copy he offers his own

perspective on lazarre's stunning claim

and the super-secret area 51 area 51 is

approximately a hundred thirty-five

miles north of Las Vegas it sits in a in

a box that's at the Western middle

corner of the Nellis test site it was

originally called the groom Lake

facility and area 51 actually gets its

name from a bombing classification

there's area 49 50 51 52 etc etc so one

of the things that Robert Lazar told us

was that if we simply went out to a

black mailbox at 6:30 p.m. on Wednesday

nights that we would actually see flying

saucers that these objects would test

and that this was the military testing

time between 6:30 and 9:30 and then

early in the morning between about 3

a.m. and about 6 a.m.

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vigorous efforts have been made by

employees of the government and others

to debunk lazarre's claims and discredit

him personally nevertheless area 51 has

become the center of a raging

controversy whether in fact certain

clandestine agencies of the US

government are in secret contact with

alien beings project Sigma was

supposedly a deal between the United

States government and various

extraterrestrials that after the Roswell

crash of 1947 that an organization

called majestic 12 was formed and then

in 1953 President Eisenhower was then

brought in on this well there was a

negotiation going back and forth between

the United States military the

government and the extraterrestrials

apparently we had a number of things

that the extraterrestrials wanted number

one the military needed hardware we

wanted technology we wanted weapons

technology propulsion technology

metallurgy technology and in exchange

for this the ETS were willing to trade

us their hardware for our software and

software namely being us what they

primarily wanted was genetic material in

exchange for that they were willing to

give us certain certain technological

advances like a number of flying saucers

it is out of area 51 that the tape we

are about to show you was supposedly

smuggled on Friday July 26th 1996 the

offices of rocket pictures have

producer/distributor of motion pictures

and television programs received a phone

call a male voice identifying himself

only as Victor claimed to be in

possession of a videotaped interview

with an extraterrestrial being

Tom Coleman president of rocket pictures

was intrigued enough to take the call I

of course thought this was some hoax in

fact my brother at one point but as as

we spoke this was someone who seemed to

be very serious we went back and forth

on this and I basically decided that you

know this is a little bit too weird for

me thank you and goodbye

as I hung up

I had a very strange feeling that maybe

just maybe there was something here he

said he had a tape of a space alien and

et that was being held in a military

installation in Nevada I'm not sure as a

prisoner or guest and he had this on

tape

as we've already heard from Sean Morton

and others this is not the first time

allegations have surfaced that the US

government is playing host to

extraterrestrial biological entities or

eb es the first and most famous alleged

contact was the Roswell flying saucer

crash of 1947 this is the incident from

which the alien autopsy footage

supposedly originated but there have

been persistent rumors that not all of

the aliens retrieved from the Roswell

crash were dead the final fate of the

survivors if any is unknown

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two years later however in 1949 another

alien is reported to have survived a

saucer crash and this be known as a be1

was taken into custody and kept at a

safe house EBE one supposedly suffered

from chronic health problems which the

doctors of the time were helpless to

treat according to a controversial

possibly fraudulent briefing document

dating from the Jimmy Carter

Administration EBE one was interviewed

by means of pictographs from which it

was learned that he came from the Zeta

reticulan our system the laborious

process of developing a set of symbols

that could be used and understood by

both human and alien amounted to the

creation of a new language if such an

effort was made it represents the

greatest achievement in linguistics

since the deciphering of the rosetta

stone

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that such an achievement would be kept

secret illustrates the hysterical

paranoia of the time as the Cold War

intensified under the threat of nuclear

annihilation

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[Laughter]

the so-called Carter Aquarius briefing

document states that EBE one died of

unknown causes on June 18 1952

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skeptics who doubt the authenticity of

the Carter aquarius document find it

unbelievable that highly advanced alien

beings would allow one of their own to

die under the primitive medical care of

a species that had barely begun to

conquer its own diseases

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but as we will hear there are those who

claim that to the aliens death is not a

final end to be feared but a mere

transition it was in the late 40s and

early 50s that the US government's

policy toward UFOs was formulated

publicly there was Project Blue Book

which made a great show of gathering

data on all the major UFO sightings

finally declaring them all to be hoaxes

mass hysteria or swamp gas but secretly

there may have been another policy at

work over the years several documents

have come to light which seemingly

confirm that a clandestine group

operation majestic 12 group aka mj-12

was formed by special classified

presidential order on September 24 1947

for the express purpose of gathering

information on UFOs and

extraterrestrials while at the same time

keeping such information not only from

unfriendly powers but from the American

public as well if indeed area 51 has

become the nation's repository for alien

technology and possibly alien visitors

then the extra constitutional

justifications for such secrecy were

developed in the mj-12 groups planning

sessions James V Forrestal Secretary of

Defense under President Harry Truman is

widely accused of being the mastermind

behind the creation of mj-12 once

created majestic may have expanded its

mandate beyond what Forrestal had

intended

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whatever secrets Forrestal may have

known concerning flying saucers and

alien visitors that knowledge died with

him when in 1949 he mysteriously plunged

to his death from a window at Bethesda

Naval Hospital though he was being

treated for depression many UFO

researchers doubt that his death was a

suicide and point to the sinister

workings of the possibly mythical mj-12

which in their hypothesis may have been

protecting its secrecy from a man who

had come to believe the people had a

right to know as late as 1989 according

to Bob Lazar the identification badges

at area 51 read match for majestic in

December 1994 a document purporting to

be the majestic 12 group special

operations manual was leaked to a noted

UFO researcher it contains the following

directive under the heading isolation

and custody EBE s will be detained by

whatever means are necessary and removed

to a secure location as soon as possible

there follows this disturbing

amplification although it is preferable

to maintain the physical well-being of

any entity the loss of EBE life is

considered acceptable if conditions or

delays to preserve that life in any way

compromise the security of the

operations from the beginning of the UFO

age it seems secrecy was always the

government's prime directive

in 1988 another anonymous government

source code named Falcon claimed that a

second extraterrestrial biological

entity EBE to voluntarily became a guest

of our government allowing himself to be

examined and interviewed

in this scenario area 51 became for a

time at least a sort of extraterrestrial

embassy the setting for mankind's first

attempt at diplomacy with beings from

another world different sources disagree

as to how communication was established

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there is universal agreement that the e

bees are incapable or unwilling to speak

human language in addition to the

pictographs used by EB e1 it has been

reported by Falcon that in the early

1950s eb e ii was fitted with some sort

of artificial voice box allowing him to

speak words and that he learned the

english language very rapidly

other sources doubt this story however

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what has been reported most persistently

is that the aliens communicate via

thought projection or telepathy would

have been tortured made to give up their

seats instead of question in this

friendly manner

we cannot be forced to communicate has

it been tried by us we speak to who's

ever willing to listen

the idea of telepathic communication

with alien beings carries with it the

same doubts and controversy attached to

telepathy itself do the practitioners of

this ancient art really have the ability

to read minds or are they crafty

charlatans who simply tell the listener

what he or she wants to hear if the

cynics are right then the

self-proclaimed telepaths recruited by

the government in the 1950s were playing

an astoundingly daring hoax by claiming

to speak for the mute visitors from the

stars defenders of telepathy call this

notion preposterous and point to the

long history of government-funded

research into mind-reading as proof that

their science has merit in the last four

decades there have been persistent often

contradictory rumors and even eyewitness

accounts of other alien visitors meeting

secretly with military or government

officials but what about today the

tester corporation has recently come out

with a model kit of gray the

extraterrestrial life-form and a scale

model of the so called sport model the

UFO Bob Lazar says he studied at area 51

this UFO kit has quickly become one of

the most successful model kits in the

history of the company if the military

is in fact conducting tests of

extraterrestrial spacecraft at area 51

then where are the alien creators of

these craft

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in his first TV appearance under the

pseudonym Denis Bob Lazar was asked if

there are living aliens at area 51

clearly nervous he evaded the question

by saying quote I really want to steer

away from that right now unquote in

subsequent interviews however he

admitted catching a glimpse of two

scientists talking to a strange short

figure with long arms he also reported

seeing several documents that seemed to

contain first-hand information on alien

civilizations Lazar is skeptical of a

claim made by Falcon that a group of EB

E's have been given complete control of

a separate base within Dream Land but he

does admit having read a report of a

tragic misunderstanding between military

personnel and alien beings in the late

70s Lazar states that it had to do with

bullets the MVS were carrying and that

the bullets might explode possibly due

to a field the aliens had generated in

that area

this encounter supposedly resulted in

the deaths of all the humans involved by

head wounds but if there was ever a

large-scale alien presence at area 51

Lazar saw no evidence of it doing his

work at s4 in the late 80s is it

possible that the deadly

misunderstanding of 10 years earlier

brought human alien cooperation to an

end in his September 21st 1987 speech to

the UN General Assembly President Reagan

himself did little to dispel the notion

that this deadly misunderstanding

brought human alien cooperation to an

end in our obsession with antagonisms at

the moment we often forget how much

unites all the members of humanity

perhaps we need some outside universal

threat to make us recognize this common

bound I occasionally think how quickly

our differences worldwide would vanish

if we were facing an alien threat from

outside this world are the

inconsistencies between various tales

coming out of area 51 evidence that

these stories are lies or the

discrepancy is the result of an

intentional campaign of disinformation

designed to discredit any elements of

truth that may be reaching the public if

so how does Victor fit into the jigsaw

puzzle of questionable witnesses to the

alien presence at area 51 is he a

hoaxster a government dupe or a

frightened whistleblower with the hard

evidence to back up his story I made a

very clear to Victor that his

credibility was the entire issue here

and that everybody's gonna think this is

a hoax

and that how are they going to possibly

verify this what he said was you can do

anything you want in terms of verified

any type of due diligence he will answer

whatever questions put forward we could

do whatever type of checking we could

bring in experts we could have the tape

tested we could in fact he encouraged

all of these aspects he just did not

want his face and his real name revealed

at Coleman's insistence Victor agreed

reluctantly to appear on camera but only

in disguise in shadow and with his voice

electronically altered the questions

were agreed upon in advance but during

the actual interview the discussion

occasionally deviated from Victor's

approved questions what is your

occupation at area 51 I won't answer

that I have had reason to be present at

area 51

I'm not going to clarify whether or not

I was there as an employee are you

saying you were there as a visitor I'm

not going to specify while in what

capacity I was there only that I was

there can you tell us how many times you

were there when I read to this my

fundamental ground rule is that I would

not be asked to divulge personal data

that might help pinpoint my identity if

you continue to ask questions that are

out of bounds I won't hesitate to

terminate this interview are you saying

that the number of times you were

president area 51 is enough to pinpoint

your identity any specifics will narrow

the field of suspects of course I could

lie let's say I've been there 47 times

wait wait more than once

let's turn to the tape itself the copy

you've supplied is not the original tape

no was the original at area 51 when you

copied it brought Sawbones is it fair to

assume that the copying of tapes at area

51 is heavily restricted you can assume

anything you like I would say that's a

fair assumption that's obvious

I will say that this tape was copied

under special circumstances otherwise

copying it would have been impossible

can you be more specific more specific

okay I'm sure they figured this much out

already recently there was a wholesale

transfer a video documentation from

analog tape to digital disk storage and

a couple of instances

this allowed data to leak from a highest

security system to a less high security

system even so this particular tape was

the only I think was there something

about this particular clip that made it

more accessible to be copied sure we

know was there something about the

content that caused them to file it

differently or give it special handling

the sort of view was terminated the

interview resumed only after a

discussion of the ground rules have you

personally seen the alien being that

appears in the tape yes I have what I

stress I was not necessarily present at

the interview session that appears on

the tape I'm not going to be specific I

may have encountered the being at

another time what can you tell us about

the alien interview we're about to see

this one is rather recent very late in

the series the interview process has

been ongoing since the being arrive

which was in 1989 proximately twice a

month they sit it down for a session

that generally lasts from three to five

hours if they try to go longer than that

or if they schedule the sessions more

frequently the being becomes

unresponsive there's a fair amount of

hidden fighting among the scientists

from different disciplines to get their

questions asked what is the alien

revealed various minor technical details

of the saucers the physicists and

engineers are frankly frustrated they

feel the beingness withholding

information possibly concepts are

getting lost because all the information

has to come through a telepath but also

it may be that the bulk of their

scientific knowledge is just too

advanced to be translated into our

primitive conceptual framework it's

analogous to if a human scientist were

to try to translate quantum mechanics

into the grunts - screeches of a

chimpanzee it's not a very flattering

comparison

frankly there's a high attrition rate

for scientists in the program you think

they'd be energized by the challenge but

a lot of them take the ego deflation

very hard when they find out not only

how much they don't know that how much

they aren't even capable of

understanding what else has the alien

communicated

oddly enough the being seems to have a

much easier time communicating spiritual

concepts the human body is a vehicle a

vessel the vessel must be maintained to

serve this spirit

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with maximum efficiency but a broken

vessel can be replaced humans spirit or

the soul can have many vessels is the

process natural or technological

both are both are one technology is a

natural expressin Semana t technology is

a process the vessel uses to perfect

itself so this transference of the soul

from vessel to vessel did your kind

create the mechanics of it or is it a a

natural did it predate the intellectual

creation for understanding less come

acceptance it was not technological well

i think what he's trying to say is that

the the question is meaningless the soul

can travel from vessel to vessel

reincarnation Transfiguration whatever

it's real what I'm getting at is does he

know how it's done

Victor uses the term vessels to refer to

the aliens conception of the body as a

disposable vehicle for the soul the UFO

cult known as Heaven's Gate use the term

containers in a similar context the mass

suicide of the Heaven's Gate cultists

illustrates the dark side of accepting

such ideas at face value doe the

Heaven's Gate cult leader preached that

humans can pass from container to

container the mysterious Victor on the

other hand harbors no such belief in his

interview recorded months before the

Rancho Santa Fe tragedy Victor made his

attachment to his own earthly vessel

abundantly clear and let me just state

here publicly to head off any clever

ideas anyone might be having I have

never been and not now and never will be

suicidal but how would the public know

if something happened to you since we

don't know who you are I'm taking care

of that trust me if something happens to

me if I die people know who I am

do you think it's a reassuring sign that

these aliens can communicate with us on

a spiritual plane it would be nice to

think so but I'm not sure if it's really

such an achievement considering the

mismatch between our intellects I mean

you're not going to have much luck

making your dog understand calculus but

if you hit him on the head and say look

Dawg aren't you communicating

spiritually and doesn't the animal

control officer say good dog when he

comes to put some poor stray to sleep

doesn't the vet try to reassure the

animal just before he space it when

you're dealing with beings whose

intellect is so far beyond your own I

don't think it's safe to assume they

have your best interests at heart what

about the content of the tape segment

you brought as I said this is way too

the series in fact it's quite close to

the end

because of his unwillingness to reveal

his own identity

Victor's story stands or falls on the

credibility of the tape he supplied here

exclusively for the first time anywhere

is the uncut uninterrupted alien

interview tape shown in its entirety in

real time

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you removed the soundtrack from the tape

before you turned it over to this

program that's correct I can't allow the

voices of the project personnel to be

heard by the general public there's a

very good chance they're family or

friends on the outside like recognize

them is it your purpose in releasing

this tape to expose area 51 to the world

my purpose is to expose the existence of

the aliens not compromise these

individuals I made the decision to come

forward I'm taking precautions to

protect my own identity and I don't

think it's fair for me to put these

others in danger of exposure in any case

the interview on the tape went nowhere

it was interrupted as you'll see can you

describe for us what we're seeing

while we're looking at the interview

suite at s4 it's kept dark for the

comfort of the aliens the figure who is

just barely visible at left foreground

is the telepath and behind the camera is

the right seating area for observers

although in this case I believe the only

other person present was a military aide

the alien is seated behind a glass

partition in a bio containment area

which is maintained at biosafety level

to the lowest designation that's

primarily for the protection of the

aliens not us the theory is that if they

were going to infect us with an alien

bug it with happened 50 years ago um in

fact all the indications are the aliens

eliminated microbial and viral life from

their own ecosystem long ago they aren't

susceptible to our diseases directly but

it has been shown that microbes can

reproduce and form colonies with into

respiratory systems which tends to

exacerbate that abilities they seem to

suffer anyway in our environment in fact

you can see here the aliens beginning to

flag

the interview was not going well the

telepath was trying to clarify some

points from a previous interview but he

wasn't receiving coherent responses as

you can see the being is in real

distress

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at this point the telepath is sending

out a message to the medical staff he's

trying to communicate with the alien but

he's getting no response

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mr. Lee he can do there is no direct

connection between

his space and mediæval containment area

that's the age stepping in on the right

the medical staff should be there by now

then they're slow and responding there

they are I have to say to medical

personnel with us for our less than

first right they tend to be selected for

their willingness to keep secrets rather

than their medical competence by the way

he's not shining that light into the

eyes it looks that way but in fact he's

checking for hemorrhaging around the eye

sockets and then in the nasal cavity I'm

sorry it's very hard for me to watch

this

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you're asking me if I think this is real

but I have I finally seen a space alien

you know I don't know but I do know this

I know that this is not a tripped up

version like the alien autopsy

it doesn't attempt to distract you away

from the alien doesn't have that cinema

verite black-and-white it doesn't go to

great lengths to try to fool the

audience straight ahead

it's an alien on tape pretty much the

way you'd probably feel it

point is this what if it is real

in evaluating the authenticity of the

alien interview tape the logical place

to begin is with the videotape itself

what can the technical details of this

recording

tell us about its origin rocket pictures

sent Victor's original tape to the

Phoenix laboratory of renowned image

analyst Jim della toe so using the most

up-to-date digital technology della toso

tried to determine the tapes

authenticity I've been exploring looking

at different aspects of the image itself

to develop questions for a matrix on is

it real or is it fake I grabbed a frame

in the computer and we're outputting it

now in digital format and you can see

that we have an absolutely solid picture

Dunn has taken the picture and moved it

over so that we can look at the

information that's in between the frames

now when we look at the motion video we

can see that it still is not bad and

when we have this little indicator down

here it tells me that the original image

was transferred using some kind of time

base corrector these are video screens

up here television video monitors and

they're off at an angle if this was shot

using a video camera with lines on it we

would see more a patterns up there and

we don't see the moiré patterns so

there's a probability that this was shot

originally on film possibly a film stock

like 72 52 or 72 47 depending on

the idea that these images may have

originated on film is in direct

contradiction to Victor's statement that

the interview was shot on video

on closer inspection della toso decided

the images could indeed have been

recorded by a video camera under certain

specific conditions in this case I get

the the sense of it that this was

originally created using either film

transferred Tulsa knee to beta and then

this is the third generation or it was

taped under very low light conditions

with the video game boosted probably 12

DB even the emotionless analysis of a

computer can not provide a definitive

answer to Lata's efforts yield

tantalizing hints but in the end they

only increase the mystery

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one of the key things about this

creature are its eyes like the other

experts video analyst Jim Della toso was

emotionally affected by what he saw he

took the tape very seriously and offered

this personal opinion if someone faked

this I don't like these people I think

it's a bad thing for people to do

because extraterrestrials come here it's

an incredibly important thing to

understand who they are and why are they

coming here if this is not faked I think

we've got a glimpse here the sense of

communication with someone who came from

the long distance away

when asked his opinion of the alien

interview adair was careful to answer

only in terms of his own experiences

he referring to the film where it's

aliens being interrogated area 51 I

don't know I've never seen a UFO in my

life I've never seen nay liens pickled

in a jar or anything like that but I

know I saw an engine that wasn't from

our terrestrial technology if you're

looking at an engine like that it came

out of a craft if it come out of a craft

then that craft has occupants so it's

very logical to assume then that those

occupants could still be here and they

could be interrogating them or they

could have downed another craft since

1971

makeup artist John Criswell has provided

special-effects creatures for many

Hollywood motion pictures and television

shows such as spaced invaders and

Babylon 5 hired by rocket pictures to

create the aliens for the recreation

segments of this program Criswell was

very interested to finally see the real

thing by Hollywood standards I would say

this is it's a pretty decent puppet

little be honest with ya I would love to

buy this being real but it's probably a

hoax well I think this is a really cool

design and it's a great concept but I

think I could have done better

whoever did this I mean they could have

a job in Hollywood in it in a minute no

problems this one has a much creepier

quality than the alien autopsy tape I

think that one that one I definitely

didn't buy just because of the look of

the way it laid on the table

um there was a couple of things this

actually whoever did this was or if

someone did this they were very clever

because it you know it it hides a lot of

stuff so that's what makes me kind of

disbelieve it a little bit but you know

who knows

Criswell thought the alien exhibited

movements that would be difficult to

fake there are there are moments when it

this looks very real and and I don't

know how they did certain little things

about this so right right when I would

say that it's definitely a puppet he he

moves a certain way or he'll or he'll

lift up in the frame and all that and

all these little things are important to

the you know

to character Allen Academy award-winner

Rick Baker is one of Hollywood's

reigning Masters of makeup effects he

transformed Eddie Murphy into a

300-pound man for the Nutty Professor

and has created monsters for countless

films including an American Werewolf in

London and the ufo-related men in black

Baker dismissed the tape as a fake this

doesn't fool me I don't buy this we've

got a table in the floor that's hiding

the rest of its body got some kind of

thing where that instrument is in the

foreground Atsuko it's also very

mysterious dick I think you're going to

accord this alien you would want to see

it as you wouldn't want to hide it

behind a table and you would light it in

a way that was so much more than this

and this particular boat of this head

jerking movement here especially looks

very poetic it looks overdone

and very much like a guy with his hand

inside this thing

this is supposed to be deal here what's

going on

it just looks like they went to a great

deal of effort to hide as much of the

anatomy other than the head on this on

this puppet I just I just don't like I

would be willing to stake my reputation

on the fact that I think this is

it's very interesting to see them in

Baker's opinion there was no controversy

at all it's a fake amenity we could

build better we have built better UFO

expert Robert Dean on the other hand had

no doubt whatsoever that the tape was

authentic this is powerful because this

is not a staged event this is real in

the 1960s

Robert odine served as an army

intelligence analyst at NATO

headquarters in Europe where he claims

to have seen firsthand evidence of alien

beings and their artifacts retired from

the Army he is now a highly regarded UFO

researcher and analyst Dean was asked to

view the tape and offer his expert

opinion treating him like a piece of

life wiping his lips calling on his own

first-hand experience for comparison

Robert Dean was stunned and moved by

what he saw that breaks my heart

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and I think you've got yourself a piece

of legitimate footage here and I think

you've got your hands on some pretty

sensitive material I don't know how the

hell you got this I don't know who you

got it from frankly I don't want to know

who you got it from

but you got yourself a tiger by the tail

with this footage I would say and I know

that that's one of the things you ask of

me is that you've got yourself some

legitimate footage of one of the little

guys being interrogated filmed there's a

reality to it and there's a sensitivity

to it that literally breaks my heart but

I tell you very much very strongly

you've got something here that he's very

sensitive well I know what that level of

a classification on this kind of a thing

is so far damned above top secret that

you won't even you can't imagine how

sensitive this kind of thing is and how

delicate it is and how tightly the

government sits on anything like this

Shawn Morton looked for clues to the

tapes authenticity in the technical

details of the interview setting okay

there's a couple of interesting things

about the tape right off the bat Morton

tried to decipher the timecode at the

bottom of the screen first off what

you're looking at the timecode is DN is

Department of Naval Intelligence

so Department of an angel Naval

Intelligence this would probably be a

file number 27 it could be a security

level however because security levels

are supposedly go up to cue 36 or the

highest ones that we know about the

first interesting thing about that is

that I'm noticing what looks like a

medical monitor and look at how slowly

and erratic the heartbeat is the

heartbeat is literally one two it's very

very erratic and it looks as though the

the heartbeat being as Radek as it is is

only about mmm from counting that it

looks like a it's about 30 a minute or

so Martin suggested an alternate

explanation for the videos dim lighting

one of the unusual things about the

about most of these particular race of

aliens as they are very very sensitive

to light so a lot of these interviews

are conducted in in very darkened rooms

to Morton's I many features of this

alien dovetailed with accounts of other

first and contactees another strange

thing about the physiognomies of these

creatures is as well as if you will

notice that

that the neck itself is not at the back

of the head like a human being is the

neck is actually in the center of the

head which is what actually gives gives

it problems holding its head and it's in

its neck up

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whatever this is it's being taken the

interview is actually being done through

a piece of glass which is probably

something somebody faked faking the

photo of photographs probably wouldn't

think about right there we see that the

the creature appears to be choking the

the dark eyes in many cases are actually

a form of lens that guards the creature

against untoward sunlight it's a it's a

remarkable piece of footage I mean it's

very very very very interesting if it's

a if it's a hoax it's it's it's very

well done if it's some if it's not then

I would say it's probably revolutionary

another expert who was asked to examine

the tape was Michael hesselman

one of Europe's leading UFO researchers

and author of the international

bestseller beyond Roswell when I got the

first information about the alien

interview footage and then I saw the

first picture I said there might be a

connection to a real incident Esserman

was intrigued both by the aliens

appearance and by Victor's claim that

the being arrived at area 51 in 1989

that is authentic it might be the most

significant film ever published ever

sewn on television for several years now

hesselman has been investigating reports

that the South African Air Force shot

down a flying saucer in the Kalahari

Desert in 1989

according to hesselman sources two

survivors were retrieved from the downed

saucer one was sent to wright-patterson

Air Force Base in Ohio and the other to

area 51 the extra-terrestrial in

Victor's tape bears a striking

resemblance to descriptions of the

Kalahari eeet and the timing of its

appearance at area 51 is consistent with

the south african incident

if you see the drawings behalf of the

Callahan a lien and the descriptions we

have it seems to be the same being in

the kalahari incident ports the alien

interview footage into a context and

give it at least a probability that it

might be real it might be the real stuff

we just don't know whitley strieber

best-selling author of communion claims

to have had numerous personal contacts

with alien beings he has become the de

facto spokesman for the growing number

of people who claim to have been

abducted by extraterrestrials the

nationally syndicated television program

strange universe ASPs creeper and

several other abductees to view the

alien interview tape what streamer saw

left him profoundly shaken

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Stryper would not agree to be

interviewed on camera for this program

but on strange universe he had this to

say

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on May 23rd 1997 Victor gave a radio

interview on the nationally syndicated

show coast to coast am with art bell

speaking by telephone from an unknown

location victor answered questions from

host art bell and his guest UFO expert

Sean Morton from the kingdom of 9 coast

to coast am continues with art bell it

is going to be a very interesting

morning let's see if we've got victor on

the line victor are you there I'm here

welcome to the program Victor afterwards

this is what Bell & Morton had to say

about Victor's credibility what a hell

of an interview of huh boy oh boy talk

about making history on the radio it was

as far as I could tell he answered every

question properly as far as exactly

where the locations are to the

descriptions of the you know the

transport 737 to the to the CTS 43 the

retinal scans the five levels at f4 a

veteran of countless controversial

interviews art Bell still found himself

impressed by his encounter with Victor

in the first I think half-hour I sensed

that I was getting kind of a runaround

or that I was not satisfied with the

quality of the answers that I was being

given

but as the interview progressed and

Viktor to some degree began to relax

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I began to get a different sense and

that was that he was telling me the

truth

I think Victor was scared

I think Victor really is scared and so i

my judgement of the interview after

about the first Oh maybe 20 minutes

half-hour is that we began to get some

real information it was a significant

milestone now there's no question about

that in broadcasting

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if the government has really been in

contact with superior aliens wouldn't we

see some evidence of it

for instance amazing new scientific

discoveries limitless free energy a cure

for cancer we might if the government's

motive for the betterment of mankind the

government's motive is controlled and

just as much as they crave control they

fear loss of control knowledge is power

but power does not necessarily confer

competence the people at the top of this

program are intellectually very average

they're not capable of making proper use

of what's been handed to them but they

have no intention of letting anyone else

ever get a chance to solve the puzzle

and let's not forget there's also the

real possibility that the government is

being manipulated by the

extraterrestrials for their own purposes

you could have released this tape to the

news media but you insisted on being

paid for it

doesn't that cast doubt on your own

motives yes and I was aware of that

going in but that's a cross I'm prepared

to bear I find it disgusting that the

most important event in human history is

being kept secret simply because certain

unimaginative officials have the power

to do so but at the same time I do see

the irony in my own actions all I can

say is had I had the choice I would not

have insisted on profiting from this

revelation but since my lifting has

failed I've endangered not only my

career for possibly my life I felt the

need for some small measure of monetary

freedom to deal with an eventualities

and let me say I could have demanded

significantly more money than I did if I

had been willing to compromise my

anonymity there have been other

whistleblowers who jumped at the chance

to become celebrities which I think cast

even more doubt on their motives that

some people may be testing online do you

believe your life is in danger as a

result of making this tape public I

would hope not I would like to think my

government is a little more civilized

than that but at the same time I don't

intend to give them the chance to prove

me wrong

at any rate to a certain extent I'm

counting on being disbelieved obviously

they would like

we need to be perceived as a hope stir

if something were to happen to me if I

should die suddenly in a freak accident

who would obviously lend credence to my

story and I assume they understand that

I'll act or not act accordingly why

should anyone believe this tape is

authentic use your own judgement that's

all I need us to do there's been so much

secrecy of disinformation over the last

50 years that it's become impossible to

prove anything in the face of official

denial of course the flipside is nobody

really believes anything the government

says Robert Dean heads a growing

movement lobbying Congress to release

former NASA intelligence and military

officials from their security oaths so

they can talk openly about US

involvement with UFOs and aliens as

early as 49 your government knew we were

dealing with extraterrestrial

intelligence and then it sort of blew up

more and more every year that were more

more discoveries more conclusions more

contacts and as you probably know we

have indeed retrieved crashed hardware

and we have reverse engineered it and we

have indeed been flying some of that

hardware in this base not to too many

miles outside of Nellis near Las Vegas

Dean believes the time has come for the

government to tell the people what it

knows the truth has got to come out

we're over 30 years too late the people

not only have a right to know they have

a need to know and Emmett that's I stand

in this belief and I will stay say this

and stand by this till the day I die

Congress has the responsibility Congress

has the obligation to the people to the

Constitution

into the nation

did this alien die I can't answer that

with certainty I do know the interviews

came to an end whether the being died or

was retired and I don't mean that in the

spy for a sense of having it killed an

even retired from the interview process

I just don't know I'm fairly certain it

didn't go home at least not in the

physical sense but these beings they

don't seem to be very concerned about

dying with overweighting death why do

you think that is maybe they know what

comes after death with more confidence

than we do

maybe there's another vessel waiting for

them on the other side the other side

yes which may in fact be where they come

from in the first place I've heard their

claims that they come from Zeta

reticulan or the Pleiades but it hasn't

been established that they come from out

there at all their saucers may not

travel through space as we know it they

may fold in from another dimension

another reality you make them sound

almost supernatural like angels or

Devils supernatural is just a term for

aspects of nature we don't understand

for many people they certainly do serve

the functions of both angels and devils

forces forces we can't comprehend have

you had enough of the I think I've

earned my money

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is seeing believing can the images on

this little tape really be what Victor

claims to even take the question

seriously requires a belief in the

possibility of wonder a willingness to

accept an almost unimaginable truth it's

far easier and safer to label it a hoax

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I'm standing on Nevada highway 375

America's official extra-terrestrial

highway redesignate it last year by the

legislature an acknowledgement of the

worldwide fame that has become attached

to this desolate spot beyond those

mountains is area 51 the most widely

discussed secret place on earth whether

as a hopes or mine expanding revelation

this alien interview is now a part of

the area 51 legend that will come a day

when the secrecy at area 51 ends when

that day comes then we will know whether

this tape was real and what the true

motive was for its sudden appearance

until then we can only speculate

investigate

and hope

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