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Got it.
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I can't.
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Yeah.
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I got it.
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Yeah, you got it.
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Come on, let's get out of here.
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Come on.
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What? Oh.
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You're.
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Have.
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Come on, now.
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Yeah.
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Well, now,
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what the heck? Who?
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Oh. Looks like
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you got it, Joe. Yep.
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How far they get you?
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Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Apaches, huh?
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Yeah.
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It's got to be not the end of them, I
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think.
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But like ants, they just keep coming.
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Now let's take this.
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What happened?
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Guess how many brothers bring it back?
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It ought not to be this way, Joe.
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Is there a better way, Tolan?
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Scott really wanted
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to keep it psychological
and focus on the characters.
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So we had a lot of beautiful coverage
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of this event where his soldiers,
Captain Walker, is overseeing
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this recapture of this escaped
Native American person and.
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Scott just loved coming in on this face.
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And again, when you have a movie star
like Christian Bale,
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who is not just a movie star,
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he is also an amazing,
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talented actor and performer.
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And, you know,
I think there's a difference.
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There are movie stars
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who are iconic, who play their roles well,
but they don't necessarily
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have much range in terms of performance.
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But their faces are recognizable
and they're iconic.
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Then there are people
who are amazing actors, and in some cases
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they disappear into their roles,
but they're not movie stars.
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They wouldn't be able to hold a movie.
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Christian Bale is both of those things.
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He can hold the screen
with his charisma, with his presence,
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but he is also someone as an actor
who can disappear into the character. So.
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We're very lucky when we get
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to work with these great performances.
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And so on one level, you want to.
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You want to favor your movie star?
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If you have one,
you don't always have one.
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But if you have one,
you want to use that favorite.
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And in this case.
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We also want to.
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Hold on the face and get used to the face.
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So it's our way
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to start in again
with a little bit of disorientation.
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So you come in
and you hear the cries of the woman.
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But you don't exactly know
what's going on yet.
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And the score, of course, leads us in.
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You hear a pretty lap of wailing, crying,
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and you juxtapose that
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with the space, which tells you
this is not a sympathetic face.
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You hear a woman wailing and crying.
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You know that something is happening
that is not good.
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And we see the first face we see
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is not someone helping the first way.
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The first face we see
is someone who seems to be.
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Very indifferent, to say the least.
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And this is supposed to be our hero.
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Now we punch out,
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we see where this crying is coming from,
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and we see that there's also another man
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next to the woman who's crying.
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And the other man
doesn't seem to be helping either.
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And now we reveal
what they're crying about.
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And again.
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This is something
where Scott really wanted to cut this.
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Traditionally, it's not overly stylized,
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but it had to be cut up into little pieces
in order to give it
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a certain amount of momentum.
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I liked cutting into this size
just to at least see some of the horses,
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see a little bit of the context, see
a little bit a little bit of the overlap
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of the woman's clothes on the
on the right hand side of the frame.
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I got it.
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And then we can punch and actually see
the detail of the person they're chasing.
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Oh, right.
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And then
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we introduce another one of our characters
who will
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who will come into play a little bit
more later.
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It's a minor introduction.
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We don't have to really understand
who he is or even what his name is,
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but it's just important to check in
and have his face,
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even on a very subconscious level.
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It's good because you'll probably
remember him in some sort of way.
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He'll be familiar.
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And then this is one of those points
where it's always nice.
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I always like to tie action in,
especially if I start in tight
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and I go into my scene
in a disorienting way.
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It's always.
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Fun to find the right point
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where you can bring all the pieces
together.
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I believe in
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wide shots and what I call tie in shots
where you tie one thing into the other.
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This is one of those shots.
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It's also nice
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in a big widescreen Cinemascope movie
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like this, a western to
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to make use of the wide frame, which
the cinematographer did, Scott Cooper did.
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So I like doing that.
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And again, we
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we now place Captain Blocker in this shot,
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which is basically a punch
out of the close up, except
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we have stuff going on in the foreground,
which I think is a
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I liked it as a shot, but also it
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now places him in there
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and there's a moment here
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where we tie it all in
so that you see that all he's
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that this poor person is surrounded
by three horses with glasses.
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And in a case like this,
when you have an action thing, a stunt,
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this is something where.
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Editing is your friend in
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that often stunts need need.
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Editors help.
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You know often.
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A movement plays very well in one angle,
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but the entire movement does not play
well in the entire in the whole shot.
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Sometimes you'll get a stunt
that is so well performed
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that you can stay in a shot and
let the entire stunt or action play out.
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And that's part of the point.
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But often, not all the time, but often
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it's our job as editors to help it along.
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You have to help sell it.
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Otherwise the audience sees
around the edges and they see
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something about it
that does not feel real.
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And so that's something where it's our job
to kind of protect these moments.
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Oh, wow.
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Oh, wow.
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You know, in the shop where he falls down
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and this is this is a stunt.
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This man stuntman was had a cable on him.
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On his.
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On his hooked up to a rig on his back
and he's being dragged
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the rope is
he's not being dragged by his neck.
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There was a cable that was painted out
by a visual effects artist,
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but this is a shot where then you can add
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your 24 frames or 20 frames, you know,
to add on to it, to let it play out.
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So I always feel like
when you're going to spend a little time
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hold on a shot like that
for a little bit longer.
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I always like to tee it up with a couple
of cuts a little bit faster before then.
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And here is something.
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Where.
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I always like
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to hear something
that that I think a lot about.
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You know, often when I have a scene
like this and I think this was
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a good example.
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I, if I remember correctly,
I think I cut this scene silently.
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And sometimes I'll do that
with more visual scenes
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or more action oriented scenes.
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It's faster to do.
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And at the end of the day,
I like scenes to play pictorially first,
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because I think that when you have a scene
that plays with just a picture.
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It will appeal to a much wider
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audience than if it's something
that's more reliant on dialog.
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All that being said,
sound is very powerful
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and that's something
you always want to use.
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But this
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was a scene that, if I remember correctly,
I probably cut silently.
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And the reason that came to mind
is because.
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I think when you have a moment like this
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where something terrible is happening
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and this poor man's being dragged
uncomfortably,
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you know, my first instinct was to follow
that up with this shot,
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which was a reaction of someone
who is probably his wife and his daughter.
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You want to go for a reaction
shot of that?
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That's a great opportunity
for for your story.
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It's a great opportunity for the scene
because
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this is something that functions
pictorially.
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The picture functions
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it plays
even if you don't have the sound on.
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So I look for moments like that where.
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Where
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the one answers the other.
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So who
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is affected by this person being dragged?
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His family.
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So that's why you want to cut to that.
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And then that is a great moment to tee up
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this soldier's reaction.
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Which is very at first indifferent.
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You see the contrast
between the two emotions.
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But then you hold on this shot.
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And again, this is where talented actors,
great performers, come into play.
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Rory Cochrane is a great actor
who works with Scott Cooper all the time.
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You can hold on his face.
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He can hold on it long enough.
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You see, he looks away.
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There's actually what we read
was discomfort in his face
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that there's something there
where he is really trying not to react.
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And he clearly doesn't react
like the mother and child.
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But there is something there
that's a little discomfort.
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There's some nuance.
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And as an editor,
that's what you look for.
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You look for nuance.
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It has
to be the right nuance at the right time.
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But you look for little details.
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You look for a little details
in human behavior that feel real
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and that add to the texture of the scene.
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So also.
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What we can do
then is we can show that Rory Cochran,
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this character, who is indifferent
at first, actually has to look away.
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And that in turn
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lets us do this great cut to
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and as I'm saying, great cut,
not because I cut it, but
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because we get to cut to this great face
of Christian Bale, who
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not only is indifferent,
he's just taking a bite out of this lemon.
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Like like this is an ordinary occurrence.
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And that is key because it says so much
about his character.
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So all of those events and those
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reactions to this reaction.
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The character almost doesn't even.
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No anything terrible's happening
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because to him it's not terrible.
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And again, this is a moment where.
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The real gold, in my opinion,
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the most valuable element
of this whole little scene
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besides the information, plot information
you get is Christian Bale's face.
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This whole scene would not be anything
without Christian Bale.
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And so.
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We end with this face.
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And again, I like to sometimes
end the scene, punching out to a wide.
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Now, I also like this shot because it was.
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I love that.
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I love the landscape.
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And so it seemed to be a good punctuation
to the end.
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We do a minor time cut.
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Follow
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this man being dragged around and then
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we're kind of going
to do another time cut here.
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And again, since
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we've been playing
in little fragments of faces
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and fragments of of a noose
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going around this man's head and some.
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Quicker cuts.
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Now we're doing a little traveling.
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We can slow down a little bit and linger.
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Pull back.
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Pull back from the action.
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Change the pace.
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Instead of being so close in something
so intense.
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Now we're we're
that scene is finished. We're done.
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We can kind of pull back
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and establish to the next place
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that we're going to.
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And this is something
Scott likes to do as a director.
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He likes to have these kind of pan shots
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where you'll start with a certain
beautiful wide scope frame.
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I like to feature these shots as well,
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start at a certain place,
let a pan out until you find this.
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The camera
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part of
this is a was recreated by the crew.
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Some of it is a digital mapping.
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Looks like you got to go.
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Yeah.
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This year we pre let some of this dialog.
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Originally, this shot started.
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There was more to this shot.
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The stunt shot
had the men coming into the.
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Ford and initially.
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This character.
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The doctor
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initially
was coming outside of the building
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and he had been talking to
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Yellow Hawk, the native chief.
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And that was a scene we cut.
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That was a scene I talked about
before we cut it because we didn't
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want to sympathize with those characters,
yet we didn't want to introduce them.
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So we had to.
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Find a way to make this transition
because we deleted the scene,
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so we found a way to
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pre lap
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this character's dialog.
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To lead us into Christian Bale,
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just taking a drink of water.
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Looks like you got a job. Yep.
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Pretty laughs are.
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Sound
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tricks
that have been around for a long time.
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I'm not I'm not sure exactly
when the first use of a pre lap was pre
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lap is when you have sound, it
starts before the picture of it starts.
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It overlaps ahead of where
the picture cut is.
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It's something that was famously
used by the film editor Dee Dee
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Allen in the movie Bonnie and Clyde
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about the two gangsters in love.
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And at the time when she used it,
it was a very new technique.
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Now it's very common.
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People do it all the time.
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I think it's a useful thing.
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It's very basic, it's very simple,
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but it's a tool that we have
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that that you end up using all the time.
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And it's.
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It's very important to
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for everyone to be on the same page
about something as simple as that.
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I worked on a film once where.
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The sound.
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Editor and the picture editor
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did not agree on the use of prolapse
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and sometimes you pre flap dialog,
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you hear a little bit of talking
and then you cut to who's talking ?
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Sometimes it's sound.
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Sometimes you hear the sound of
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a sound effect,
like the sound of someone hammering,
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and then you cut to the scene
and someone's hammering.
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Sometimes it's as subtle as a change
in background ambiance.
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You hear rain and before
you cut to a new scene where there's rain.
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Where there's rain. But.
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I worked on a project
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where the editor and the sound
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editor did not agree.
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The sound the sound editor sounded
or thought that
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the idea of a pre lap
was was old fashioned
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and just didn't like them.
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So when the
when they were mixing the sound,
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the sound editor took out
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the pre flap, so there was no sound.
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So when the cut happened,
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it was just a straight
cut picture and sound at the same time.
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Well, the problem with that
is that without the pre laugh,
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all of a sudden the picture cutting felt
slow and felt too slow.
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And so.
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Not preserving some of those sound choices
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is a disservice to the picture editing.
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So it's important that when I, as a film
editor, for example,
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do something as simple as that,
it's important that the sound team,
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the sound designer, the sound mixer,
it's important that they understand
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how important it is to
me and why I'm doing it. So
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I don't think that can
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be overstated
because there I've worked on many projects
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where because of budgetary reasons,
especially with small projects,
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the picture editor is not paid
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to supervise
the finishing of the sound and
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is not able to be there for the finishing
of the sound to oversee it.
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And so sometimes decisions
that we as editors
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make in the editing room
get revised and changed later on.
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And that's not always done
out of any sort of malicious nature.
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But sometimes it's it's done
because they just don't know
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why we're doing something.
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So I just want to point out that
that's something,
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even something as small as this is
something that a picture
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editor has to really think
about and in some cases, protect.
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