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Bush] We got issue in America. 4 00:00:31,466 --> 00:00:33,946 Too many good docs are getting out of business. 5 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:35,383 [crowd applauding and cheering] 6 00:00:35,426 --> 00:00:38,299 Too many ob-gyns aren't able to practice their love 7 00:00:38,342 --> 00:00:40,605 with women all across this country. 8 00:00:40,649 --> 00:00:43,086 [crowd applauding and cheering] 9 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:45,915 [dramatic music] 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,049 [Adam] I don't have a job. 11 00:00:49,092 --> 00:00:50,354 I don't wanna have any more debt out 12 00:00:50,398 --> 00:00:52,443 to anybody else I already have out there. 13 00:00:53,923 --> 00:00:55,098 I'm flushing the wound. 14 00:00:55,142 --> 00:00:56,143 [dramatic music] 15 00:00:56,186 --> 00:00:58,145 [Michael Moore] This is Adam. 16 00:00:58,188 --> 00:01:00,973 [dramatic music] 17 00:01:10,722 --> 00:01:13,116 He had an accident. 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,901 [dramatic music] 19 00:01:24,475 --> 00:01:27,478 He's one of nearly 50 million Americans 20 00:01:27,522 --> 00:01:29,872 with no health insurance. 21 00:01:29,915 --> 00:01:32,657 [dramatic music] 22 00:01:42,406 --> 00:01:45,148 But this film isn't about Adam. 23 00:01:45,192 --> 00:01:47,803 [bright music] 24 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:51,285 [Rick] So, this is the table saw. 25 00:01:51,328 --> 00:01:53,069 It was spinning that way. 26 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:54,984 [Michael Moore] This is Rick. 27 00:01:55,027 --> 00:01:57,595 [bright music] 28 00:01:58,944 --> 00:02:00,032 I was gripping a piece of wood, 29 00:02:00,076 --> 00:02:01,860 I grabbed it here and it hit a knot. 30 00:02:01,904 --> 00:02:04,776 He sawed off the tops of two of his fingers. 31 00:02:05,951 --> 00:02:07,127 And it was that quick. 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,565 [bright music] 33 00:02:10,608 --> 00:02:12,044 His first thought? 34 00:02:12,088 --> 00:02:13,959 I don't have insurance, how much this is gonna cost. 35 00:02:14,003 --> 00:02:15,091 Am gonna have to pay cash for this, 36 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:17,006 $ 2,000, $3,000 or more. 37 00:02:17,049 --> 00:02:19,574 Does that mean we're not gonna get a car? 38 00:02:19,617 --> 00:02:21,358 [dramatic music] 39 00:02:21,402 --> 00:02:24,100 [Michael Moore] Rick also doesn't have health coverage. 40 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,407 So, the hospital gave him a choice. 41 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:30,237 Reattach the middle finger for $60,000 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,805 or do the ring finger for 12,000. 43 00:02:33,849 --> 00:02:36,199 [Shatoya] It's an awful feeling to just try 44 00:02:36,243 --> 00:02:39,159 to put a value on your body. 45 00:02:39,202 --> 00:02:41,944 [dramatic music] 46 00:02:43,728 --> 00:02:45,817 [Michael Moore] Being a hopeles romantic, 47 00:02:45,861 --> 00:02:47,776 Rick chose the ring finger 48 00:02:47,819 --> 00:02:50,735 for the bargain price of 12 grand. 49 00:02:50,779 --> 00:02:53,521 The top of his middle finger now enjoys 50 00:02:53,564 --> 00:02:56,828 its new home in an Oregon landfill. 51 00:02:57,089 --> 00:02:59,831 [dramatic music] 52 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:06,534 I can do that thing where the old man used 53 00:03:06,577 --> 00:03:08,666 to pull the finger off. 54 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:11,582 [Rick laughs] 55 00:03:11,626 --> 00:03:14,498 [dramatic music] 56 00:03:14,542 --> 00:03:16,935 [Michael Moore] This movie isnt about Rick either. 57 00:03:17,936 --> 00:03:20,156 Yes, there are nearly 50 million Americans 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,071 with no health insurance. 59 00:03:22,114 --> 00:03:24,726 They pray every day they don't get sick. 60 00:03:24,769 --> 00:03:27,772 Because 18,000 of them will die this year 61 00:03:27,816 --> 00:03:30,558 simply because they're uninsured. 62 00:03:30,601 --> 00:03:32,473 [dramatic music] 63 00:03:32,516 --> 00:03:34,257 But this movie isn't about the. 64 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:37,913 It's about the 250 million of you 65 00:03:37,956 --> 00:03:39,567 who have health insurance. 66 00:03:40,481 --> 00:03:44,049 Those of you who are living the American Dream. 67 00:03:44,093 --> 00:03:46,835 [dramatic music] 68 00:03:54,495 --> 00:03:59,239 It's moving day for Larry and Donna Smith. 69 00:04:03,634 --> 00:04:06,811 They've packed everything they own in these two cars. 70 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,860 And are driving to Denver, Colorado 71 00:04:14,297 --> 00:04:15,429 to their new home. 72 00:04:16,995 --> 00:04:18,519 - Hi. - Hello. 73 00:04:18,562 --> 00:04:19,998 [indistinct chatter] 74 00:04:20,042 --> 00:04:21,826 [Michael Moore] In their daughter's storage room. 75 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:23,654 This is home, sweet home. 76 00:04:25,961 --> 00:04:26,831 Look at all that stuff. 77 00:04:26,875 --> 00:04:28,746 We'll get everything organized. 78 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:30,879 Yeah, we will, we will. 79 00:04:30,922 --> 00:04:33,142 What do we do with the computer? 80 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:36,276 - It stays. - It stays there. 81 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:37,886 So, this is where Heather talked about 82 00:04:37,929 --> 00:04:40,454 we might have to put bunk beds. 83 00:04:40,497 --> 00:04:42,499 I see what she's talking about. 84 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:46,198 [Michael Moore] It wasn't supposed to end up like this 85 00:04:46,242 --> 00:04:47,417 for Larry and Donna. 86 00:04:48,766 --> 00:04:50,594 They both had good jobs. 87 00:04:52,161 --> 00:04:53,815 She was a newspaper editor 88 00:04:55,425 --> 00:04:57,384 and he was a union machinist. 89 00:04:58,428 --> 00:05:00,387 They raised six kids who all went 90 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:03,172 to fine schools like the University of Chicago. 91 00:05:05,174 --> 00:05:06,654 But Larry had a heart attack 92 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:12,355 and then another one and then another one. 93 00:05:13,791 --> 00:05:16,011 And then Donna got cancer. 94 00:05:18,143 --> 00:05:20,755 And even though they had health insurance, 95 00:05:20,798 --> 00:05:24,411 the copays and deductibles soon added up 96 00:05:24,454 --> 00:05:26,630 to the point where they could no longer afford 97 00:05:26,674 --> 00:05:28,676 to keep their home. 98 00:05:29,372 --> 00:05:30,852 [Donna] If somebody told me ten years ago 99 00:05:30,895 --> 00:05:33,245 this was gonna happen to us because of healthcare, 100 00:05:33,289 --> 00:05:35,683 I would have said, "It's not possible." 101 00:05:35,726 --> 00:05:36,858 Not in the United States. 102 00:05:36,901 --> 00:05:38,729 We wouldn't let that happen to people." 103 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:48,522 - Are we gonna quit? - No. 104 00:05:48,565 --> 00:05:50,306 It's just hard. 105 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,525 [Donna sobs] 106 00:05:51,568 --> 00:05:52,917 [Michael Moore] They were bankrupt. 107 00:05:54,179 --> 00:05:56,094 So, they moved in with their daughter. 108 00:05:57,008 --> 00:05:58,488 We'll get it all figured out. 109 00:06:00,142 --> 00:06:02,274 [Heather] We emptied the dresser so you have a spot. 110 00:06:02,318 --> 00:06:03,972 Nice, very nice. 111 00:06:07,105 --> 00:06:08,846 [Michael Moore] Even their son Danny popped in 112 00:06:08,890 --> 00:06:12,110 from across town to welcome them to Denver. 113 00:06:12,154 --> 00:06:14,025 [Danny] What do we do about people like you, guys? 114 00:06:14,069 --> 00:06:15,984 [Donna] I don't know, that's a good question. 115 00:06:16,941 --> 00:06:17,812 You're supposed to pay a deductible 116 00:06:17,855 --> 00:06:19,857 for $9,000, which I understand. 117 00:06:19,901 --> 00:06:21,468 That's part of healthcare. 118 00:06:21,511 --> 00:06:22,686 What about people like Kathy and I 119 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:24,079 that have to come up there 120 00:06:24,122 --> 00:06:25,994 and move you every five years, 121 00:06:26,037 --> 00:06:27,343 every two years, every year 122 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:28,475 because you don't have enough money 123 00:06:28,518 --> 00:06:29,780 to stay where you're are? 124 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:31,042 [Larry] That's what Russell keep says too. 125 00:06:31,086 --> 00:06:33,349 I'm sorry, it's not what we wanted 126 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:34,872 to have happen in life. 127 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:37,962 And we're doing what we can to make the change. 128 00:06:38,006 --> 00:06:40,443 You don't know what that feels like inside 129 00:06:40,487 --> 00:06:43,707 at 50-some years old to have to reach out 130 00:06:43,751 --> 00:06:47,015 to my 20-something- year-old for help. 131 00:06:47,058 --> 00:06:49,583 It's gonna be hard for four, five, six, 132 00:06:49,626 --> 00:06:51,889 seven months, it's gonna be hard. 133 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:55,371 I have an overwhelming feeling of you bring problems 134 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,417 with you no matter where you go. 135 00:07:00,332 --> 00:07:02,857 But I don't know what to do about that. 136 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:05,425 [kids crying] 137 00:07:07,601 --> 00:07:08,732 [Michael Moore] By sheer coincidence, 138 00:07:08,776 --> 00:07:10,473 their daughter's husband, Paul 139 00:07:10,517 --> 00:07:13,998 was leaving on a job the very same day they arrived. 140 00:07:16,523 --> 00:07:18,220 Paul was a contractor. 141 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:20,396 But there weren't many jobs lately. 142 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,267 So, he found work out of town. 143 00:07:23,573 --> 00:07:27,185 I'm sure you'll keep a telephone conversation. 144 00:07:27,229 --> 00:07:28,709 Email you. 145 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:31,842 [car engine revving] 146 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:37,500 [Donna] You're gonna be just fine, lovies. 147 00:07:40,634 --> 00:07:42,766 Weird situation, isn't it? 148 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:48,598 [Man] Can you tell me where Daddy's going. 149 00:07:48,642 --> 00:07:49,469 Iraq. 150 00:07:50,992 --> 00:07:52,776 Why is daddy going to Iraq? 151 00:07:53,821 --> 00:07:54,909 To do some plumbing. 152 00:07:57,564 --> 00:08:00,175 [toilet flash] 153 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:02,307 [Frank] Oh, boy. 154 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:06,050 This I do early in the morning. 155 00:08:06,094 --> 00:08:08,705 The first thing I do is I clean here. 156 00:08:11,447 --> 00:08:14,189 [Michael Moore] At age 79, Frank Cardile 157 00:08:14,232 --> 00:08:16,583 should be kicking back on a beach somewhere. 158 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:18,976 But even though he's insured by Medicare, 159 00:08:19,934 --> 00:08:22,632 it doesn't cover all the cost of the drugs 160 00:08:22,676 --> 00:08:24,025 that he and his wife need. 161 00:08:28,203 --> 00:08:30,858 Being that I'm an employee here, 162 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:32,337 my medicine is for free. 163 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:37,212 So, that's why I gotta keep working until I die. 164 00:08:38,126 --> 00:08:39,649 There is nothing wrong with that. 165 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:44,088 I always gotta keep my ears open 166 00:08:44,132 --> 00:08:46,047 because there's always spillages. 167 00:08:46,090 --> 00:08:49,703 Sometimes you get a gallon of milk, tomato sauce, 168 00:08:49,746 --> 00:08:51,618 oh, you're in trouble. 169 00:08:51,661 --> 00:08:53,924 It'll take a half-hour to clean that up. 170 00:08:55,839 --> 00:08:56,623 And I look up on every aisle 171 00:08:56,666 --> 00:08:57,754 so as everything is clean. 172 00:08:57,798 --> 00:09:00,017 If I see something I pick it up, 173 00:09:00,061 --> 00:09:01,541 whether it's paper or garbage. 174 00:09:04,195 --> 00:09:06,241 One day I had the keys in my hand 175 00:09:06,284 --> 00:09:07,634 and they went in there. 176 00:09:08,809 --> 00:09:11,159 And I had to climb in there to get the keys out. 177 00:09:15,685 --> 00:09:17,469 It's a sad situation. 178 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,648 If there are golden years, I can't find them, 179 00:09:21,691 --> 00:09:23,301 I'll tell you that. 180 00:09:27,001 --> 00:09:29,003 She had a painkiller for her hip. 181 00:09:29,046 --> 00:09:32,093 The girl said, "Frank, this is $213. 182 00:09:32,136 --> 00:09:33,660 What, for a painkiller?" 183 00:09:33,703 --> 00:09:35,226 [Fran] I didn't take it. 184 00:09:35,270 --> 00:09:37,751 I backed off, I said, "I gotta come back." 185 00:09:37,794 --> 00:09:39,143 What's in them? 186 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:41,624 What's in these new drugs that they distribute? 187 00:09:41,668 --> 00:09:42,930 I don't believe you need half 188 00:09:42,973 --> 00:09:45,062 of the things they tell you. 189 00:09:45,106 --> 00:09:46,629 I have never taken medication now, 190 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:47,717 as I'm getting older. 191 00:09:48,762 --> 00:09:51,112 I don't even like to take an aspirin. 192 00:09:51,155 --> 00:09:53,201 I do like a little brandy. 193 00:09:53,244 --> 00:09:55,899 [both laughing] 194 00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:00,512 [Laura] I don't really know how this happened, 195 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:04,212 but the trunk kind of came forward into the back seat. 196 00:10:04,255 --> 00:10:06,518 [Michael Moore] Laura Burnham was 45 mile an hour 197 00:10:06,562 --> 00:10:09,130 head-on collision that knocked her out cold. 198 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:11,001 Paramedics got her out of the car 199 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:13,961 and into an ambulance for a trip to the hospital. 200 00:10:14,004 --> 00:10:17,442 I get a bill from my insurance company telling me 201 00:10:17,486 --> 00:10:20,750 that the ambulance ride was not gonna be paid for, 202 00:10:20,794 --> 00:10:23,361 because it wasn't pre-approved. 203 00:10:23,405 --> 00:10:24,928 I don't know exactly when I was supposed 204 00:10:24,972 --> 00:10:26,190 to pre-approve it. 205 00:10:27,278 --> 00:10:29,193 After I gain consciousness in the car 206 00:10:29,237 --> 00:10:30,934 before I got in the ambulance? 207 00:10:30,978 --> 00:10:34,851 Or I should have grabbed my cellphone off the street 208 00:10:34,895 --> 00:10:36,897 and called while I was in the ambulance? 209 00:10:37,941 --> 00:10:39,116 It's just crazy. 210 00:10:40,291 --> 00:10:42,859 [bright music] 211 00:10:44,034 --> 00:10:46,471 [Jason's Mom] I applied for HealthNet insurance for Jason. 212 00:10:46,515 --> 00:10:50,954 They rejected him because of his height and weight. 213 00:10:50,998 --> 00:10:54,654 Jason is six feet tall and 130 pounds. 214 00:10:54,697 --> 00:10:58,005 ♪ That's how it's like to be rejected ♪ 215 00:10:58,048 --> 00:11:01,008 [Amanda] I applied for healthcare through BlueCross BlueShield 216 00:11:01,051 --> 00:11:05,229 and they told me that my body mass index was too high. 217 00:11:05,273 --> 00:11:08,319 I'm 5' 1 ", I weigh 175 pounds. 218 00:11:08,363 --> 00:11:12,019 ♪ That's how it's like to be rejected ♪ 219 00:11:12,062 --> 00:11:14,108 [Michael Moore] I always thougt the health insurance companies 220 00:11:14,151 --> 00:11:15,457 were there to help us. 221 00:11:17,067 --> 00:11:19,417 So, I posted a note on the internet 222 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:22,159 asking people if they had had any similar stories 223 00:11:22,203 --> 00:11:24,858 about problems with their insurance company. 224 00:11:24,901 --> 00:11:26,903 [bright music] 225 00:11:26,947 --> 00:11:31,734 Within 24 hours, I had over 3,700 responses. 226 00:11:31,778 --> 00:11:33,301 And by the end of the week, 227 00:11:33,344 --> 00:11:36,130 over 25,000 people had sent me 228 00:11:36,173 --> 00:11:38,654 their healthcare horror storie. 229 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:40,264 [dramatic music] 230 00:11:40,308 --> 00:11:43,224 Some of them decided not to wait for me to get back to the. 231 00:11:44,268 --> 00:11:47,837 Like Doug Noe who took matters into his own hands 232 00:11:47,881 --> 00:11:49,317 without my permission. 233 00:11:51,275 --> 00:11:53,364 His daughter, Annette was nine months old 234 00:11:53,408 --> 00:11:56,019 when they discovered she was going deaf. 235 00:11:56,063 --> 00:11:58,456 His health insurance company, CIGNA, 236 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,851 said they'd pay for an implant in only one of her ears. 237 00:12:01,895 --> 00:12:03,940 According to the letter they sent, 238 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:08,031 it's experimental for her to hear in two ears. 239 00:12:08,075 --> 00:12:11,687 [Doug] If a cochlear implant is good for one ear, 240 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:13,297 it doesn't even make any sense 241 00:12:13,341 --> 00:12:15,473 that it wouldn't be good for the second ear, 242 00:12:15,517 --> 00:12:17,780 especially when a child is just starting 243 00:12:17,824 --> 00:12:19,216 to learn how to talk, 244 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:21,871 she has to learn from both sides of her head. 245 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:26,006 [Michael Moore] That's when he sat down 246 00:12:26,049 --> 00:12:27,747 to write CIGNA a letter. 247 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:28,922 This is to CIGNA. 248 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:31,446 "Noted filmmaker Michael Moore 249 00:12:31,489 --> 00:12:33,491 is now in the process of gathering information 250 00:12:33,535 --> 00:12:34,928 for his next film. 251 00:12:34,971 --> 00:12:36,712 I've sent along information concerning CIGNA's 252 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,975 lack of caring for its policy holders. 253 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:41,761 Has your CEO ever been in a film before?" 254 00:12:41,804 --> 00:12:43,893 [dramatic music] 255 00:12:43,937 --> 00:12:45,721 [Michael Moore] Before he knew it. 256 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,375 he received a call on his voice mail 257 00:12:47,418 --> 00:12:49,769 from CIGNA headquarters. 258 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:51,771 [Phone message] Tuesday, 8:54 am. 259 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:14,402 Obviously, all this worked because Annette 260 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:17,622 is going to get her second implant in July. 261 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:20,016 [Female Voice #1] "Dear Mike, I work in the industry. 262 00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:21,757 [Female Voice #2] "I work for an HMO." 263 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,846 [Michael Moore] I started to gt hundreds of letters 264 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:25,805 of a different sort from people 265 00:13:25,848 --> 00:13:28,808 who work inside the healthcare industry. 266 00:13:28,851 --> 00:13:29,983 They'd seen everything 267 00:13:31,071 --> 00:13:32,899 and they were fed up with it. 268 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:36,685 [Male Voice] "Health insurance companies suck, flat suck. " 269 00:13:36,728 --> 00:13:38,600 [Michael Moore] Like Becky Malke, 270 00:13:38,643 --> 00:13:40,994 who was in charge of keeping sick people away 271 00:13:41,037 --> 00:13:43,866 from one of America's top insurance companies. 272 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:45,912 [Becky] I work in a call cente, so people call in 273 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:48,436 and they're asking for insurance quotes. 274 00:13:48,479 --> 00:13:50,873 There are certain preexisting conditions, 275 00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:53,876 basically industry-wide that will not be covered. 276 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,400 Diabetes, heart disease, 277 00:13:56,444 --> 00:13:58,011 certain forms of cancer. 278 00:13:58,054 --> 00:13:59,751 That if you have these conditions, 279 00:13:59,795 --> 00:14:03,146 you're most likely not going to get your health insurance. 280 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:04,713 [Michael Moore] How long is this list of conditions 281 00:14:04,756 --> 00:14:06,628 that will make you ineligible? 282 00:14:06,671 --> 00:14:10,588 It would be a really long list, a long list. 283 00:14:10,632 --> 00:14:12,939 It could wrap around this house. 284 00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:16,464 [bright music] 285 00:14:39,182 --> 00:14:41,315 Sometimes you know ahead of time they're gonna be declined 286 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:42,925 at the end of the application 287 00:14:42,969 --> 00:14:43,970 and they're like... 288 00:14:45,058 --> 00:14:48,104 God, like one time I had a couple 289 00:14:48,148 --> 00:14:50,454 and they were so happy to get... 290 00:14:50,498 --> 00:14:51,586 I'm gonna cry. 291 00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:52,935 They were so happy that they were... 292 00:14:52,979 --> 00:14:54,763 I took them through this application 293 00:14:55,633 --> 00:14:58,332 and the husband was late for work. 294 00:14:59,507 --> 00:15:00,638 And the wife said to him, 295 00:15:00,682 --> 00:15:01,770 "Don't worry, baby, it's gonna be okay 296 00:15:01,813 --> 00:15:04,468 because we have health insurance now." 297 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:06,644 And when I looked at the end of application, 298 00:15:06,688 --> 00:15:08,081 I could tell they were both gonna get declined 299 00:15:08,124 --> 00:15:09,647 because of their health conditions. 300 00:15:09,691 --> 00:15:11,780 And they were so happy. 301 00:15:11,823 --> 00:15:13,173 And I thought, "God, they're gonna get 302 00:15:13,216 --> 00:15:15,697 that phone call in a couple of weeks telling them 303 00:15:16,611 --> 00:15:19,135 that they're not eligible for insurance." 304 00:15:19,179 --> 00:15:21,833 And I just felt so bad 'cause I just really thought 305 00:15:21,877 --> 00:15:24,314 and I knew and I couldn't say anything to them. 306 00:15:25,707 --> 00:15:26,838 I just felt like crap. 307 00:15:27,796 --> 00:15:30,146 And that's why I'm such a bitch on the phone to people, 308 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:32,061 'cause I don't wanna get to know them, 309 00:15:32,975 --> 00:15:34,368 I don't wanna know about their lives, 310 00:15:34,411 --> 00:15:36,936 I just wanna get in and out and get done with it 311 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:40,983 'cause I can't take the stress of it. 312 00:15:41,027 --> 00:15:42,245 [Michael Moore] In spite of Becky being 313 00:15:42,289 --> 00:15:43,943 a bit of a pain on the phone. 314 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:47,511 A quarter billion Americans are still able 315 00:15:47,555 --> 00:15:49,296 to get health insurance. 316 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:52,299 [Advertisement] Every American deserves affordable healthcare. 317 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:53,778 [indistinct] 318 00:15:53,822 --> 00:15:56,825 Let's meet some of these happy insured customers. 319 00:15:56,868 --> 00:16:00,829 Maria has BlueShield and Diane, Horizon BlueCross. 320 00:16:01,873 --> 00:16:06,269 BCS insures Laurel and Caroline has CIGNA. 321 00:16:07,314 --> 00:16:10,317 And it's a good thing that they're all fully covered. 322 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,885 [Laurel] I ended up being diagnosed with retroperitoneal cancer. 323 00:16:13,929 --> 00:16:14,712 [Maria] Brain tumor. 324 00:16:14,756 --> 00:16:16,062 [Caroline] Breast cancer. 325 00:16:16,105 --> 00:16:17,933 [Diane] Brain tumor on the right temporal lobe. 326 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,543 [Michael Moore] Because they were insured, 327 00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:22,416 they got the red -carpet treatment at the doctor's office. 328 00:16:22,459 --> 00:16:26,550 [Maria] She requested for me to see a neurologist. 329 00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:28,596 [Diane] The way they were going treat it was to remove it. 330 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:30,728 [Laurel] Surgery was scheduled for December 9. 331 00:16:30,772 --> 00:16:33,122 [Caroline] There is a test that you can take 332 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:35,211 that will show whether or not 333 00:16:35,255 --> 00:16:38,519 you actually would benefit from chemo. 334 00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:40,173 [Michael Moore] They got their treatment, 335 00:16:40,216 --> 00:16:42,697 but not before battling with their insurance companies. 336 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,741 They were investigated whether or not 337 00:16:43,785 --> 00:16:45,743 this was a preexisting condition. 338 00:16:45,787 --> 00:16:47,702 It's not medically necessary. 339 00:16:47,745 --> 00:16:49,747 They claim that it's experimental. 340 00:16:49,791 --> 00:16:52,141 We don't consider that life-threatening. 341 00:16:52,185 --> 00:16:55,579 [Michael Moore] Diane died from her non life-threatening tumor. 342 00:16:55,623 --> 00:16:58,887 Laurel's cancer is now spread throughout her body. 343 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:03,370 Her experimental test proved that Caroline needed chemo. 344 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:05,067 While vacationing in Japan, 345 00:17:05,111 --> 00:17:08,331 Maria became ill and got the MRI that BlueShield 346 00:17:08,375 --> 00:17:11,117 of California had refused to approve. 347 00:17:12,118 --> 00:17:15,251 The doctors in Japan told her that she had a brain tumor. 348 00:17:16,165 --> 00:17:19,473 BlueShield had said repeatedly she didn't have a tumor. 349 00:17:19,516 --> 00:17:21,214 That's when she said, 350 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:24,304 "Well, I'm pretty sure I have a lawyer." 351 00:17:25,957 --> 00:17:29,004 [Lawyer] March 13, 2003. 352 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,136 I'm gonna direct your attention 353 00:17:30,179 --> 00:17:32,312 to exhibit one. 354 00:17:32,355 --> 00:17:34,966 Please describe for me what it is. 355 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:39,667 [Hollinger] It is a denial for referral 356 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:41,625 to an ophthalmologist. 357 00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:43,845 Is it your signature on document? 358 00:17:43,888 --> 00:17:45,412 Yes. 359 00:17:45,455 --> 00:17:48,067 [Lawyer] I'd like to direct yor attention to exhibit two. 360 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:52,462 This is a denial of a request for referral 361 00:17:52,506 --> 00:17:55,117 for a magnetic resonance imaging test 362 00:17:55,161 --> 00:17:56,510 of the brain. 363 00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:57,467 [Lawyer] It has your signature? 364 00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:59,121 Yes. 365 00:17:59,165 --> 00:18:01,123 [Lawyer] Dr., directing your attention to exhibit three. 366 00:18:01,167 --> 00:18:02,646 Please read this document. 367 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:07,695 This is a denial of a referral to a neurosurgeon. 368 00:18:08,913 --> 00:18:11,699 [Lawyer] Can you explain for me how you came 369 00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:15,006 to sign the denial letter? 370 00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:16,138 [Hollinger] This is a standard signature 371 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:18,445 that's put on all denial letters. 372 00:18:18,488 --> 00:18:20,186 [Lawyer] Is it your signature or a stamp? 373 00:18:20,229 --> 00:18:21,535 That is a stamp. 374 00:18:21,578 --> 00:18:25,016 [Lawyer] Did you ever see a denial letter 375 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:28,281 before your signature was stamped on it? 376 00:18:28,324 --> 00:18:33,112 No, but the denial letters are fundamentally the same. 377 00:18:33,155 --> 00:18:35,505 The denial letters that are sent out... 378 00:18:35,549 --> 00:18:36,332 [Lawyer] The answer is no. 379 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:37,203 No. 380 00:18:39,553 --> 00:18:41,424 [Linda] The very definition of a good medical director 381 00:18:41,468 --> 00:18:44,297 was somebody who can save the company money. 382 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:47,865 [Michael Moore] Dr. Linda Peeno was a medical reviewer for Humana. 383 00:18:48,779 --> 00:18:50,694 She left her job because she didn't like 384 00:18:50,738 --> 00:18:53,001 their way of doing business. 385 00:18:53,044 --> 00:18:54,655 [Linda] I was told when I started 386 00:18:54,698 --> 00:18:56,874 that I had to keep a 10% denial. 387 00:18:56,918 --> 00:18:59,747 Then they were giving us reports on a weekly basis 388 00:18:59,790 --> 00:19:01,705 that would have all the cases we reviewed, 389 00:19:01,749 --> 00:19:04,055 the percent approved and the percent denied 390 00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:07,015 and our actual percentage denial rate. 391 00:19:07,058 --> 00:19:08,495 And then there would be another report 392 00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:11,846 that compared me to all the other medical reviewers. 393 00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:13,674 The doctor with the highest percent of denials 394 00:19:13,717 --> 00:19:15,066 was actually gonna get a bonus. 395 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:16,677 [Michael Moore] Really? 396 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,332 So you, as a doctor, working for the HMO, 397 00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:21,421 if you denied more people healthcare, 398 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:22,944 you got a bonus? 399 00:19:22,987 --> 00:19:24,467 [Linda] That was the way they had set the system up. 400 00:19:24,511 --> 00:19:28,558 Any payment for a claim is referred to as a medical loss. 401 00:19:28,602 --> 00:19:31,344 That's the terminology the industry uses. 402 00:19:31,387 --> 00:19:33,259 When you don't spend money on somebody, 403 00:19:33,302 --> 00:19:37,350 you deny their care or you make a decision 404 00:19:37,393 --> 00:19:39,178 that brings money in and you don't have to spend it, 405 00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:41,092 it's a savings to the company. 406 00:19:41,136 --> 00:19:44,095 [bright music] 407 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:45,749 [Michael Moore] This is Tarsha Harris. 408 00:19:46,924 --> 00:19:49,013 BlueCross didn't deny her her treatment. 409 00:19:49,057 --> 00:19:50,885 And actually approved her operation. 410 00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:56,891 But then they discovered that in the distant past, 411 00:19:56,934 --> 00:20:00,242 she had had a yeast infection. 412 00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:02,375 [dramatic music] 413 00:20:02,418 --> 00:20:03,593 Apparently, it's common. 414 00:20:03,637 --> 00:20:06,335 Men, women can get a yeast infection. 415 00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:09,164 So, I was prescribed the yeast infection cream, 416 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:12,776 general cream and it went away. 417 00:20:13,864 --> 00:20:15,866 [Heather] She later applied for health insurance 418 00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:17,216 and that's what you're supposed 419 00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:20,088 to be disclosing serious ailments. 420 00:20:20,131 --> 00:20:22,308 The yeast infection was independent 421 00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:23,657 and it's not a serious ailment. 422 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:25,615 There was nothing else she could have done. 423 00:20:25,659 --> 00:20:26,877 It wasn't until they were gonna have 424 00:20:26,921 --> 00:20:29,271 to spend money that they looked. 425 00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:31,142 If they'd taken five minutes before hand 426 00:20:31,186 --> 00:20:32,840 and wanted to clear up the yeast infection, 427 00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:34,494 they could've looked at her medical records, 428 00:20:34,537 --> 00:20:36,104 they could have talked to her doctor. 429 00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:39,412 [Michael Moore] Because of the undisclosed yeast infection, 430 00:20:39,455 --> 00:20:41,936 BlueCross dropped Tarsha Harri. 431 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:44,068 She thinks she's put this behind her. 432 00:20:44,112 --> 00:20:46,593 And then BlueCross changes their mind, 433 00:20:46,636 --> 00:20:48,943 tells the doctors, "We're taking the money back, 434 00:20:48,986 --> 00:20:50,858 go get the money from Tarsha." 435 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,078 The fact of the matter is 436 00:20:54,122 --> 00:20:56,646 it was a yeast infection, that's all it was. 437 00:20:57,604 --> 00:20:59,127 I'm still a little bitter 438 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:01,347 because I don't trust insurance companies now. 439 00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:04,306 To me, it seems they're always gonna be looking 440 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:05,220 for a way out. 441 00:21:06,221 --> 00:21:08,049 What happened to helping the person that's sick? 442 00:21:08,092 --> 00:21:10,138 Don't make their problems worse. 443 00:21:11,226 --> 00:21:12,314 [dramatic music] 444 00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:13,794 [Michael Moore] This is Lee Einer. 445 00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:16,449 If they weren't able to weed you out 446 00:21:16,492 --> 00:21:18,712 in the application process 447 00:21:18,755 --> 00:21:21,323 or deny you the care your doctor said you needed 448 00:21:22,237 --> 00:21:25,109 and somehow ended up paying for the operation, 449 00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:29,723 they send in Lee, their hitman. 450 00:21:29,766 --> 00:21:32,726 His job is to get the company's money back 451 00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:34,641 any way he can. 452 00:21:34,684 --> 00:21:37,339 All he has to do is find one slip-up 453 00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,036 on your application 454 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,997 or a preexisting condition you didn't know you had. 455 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,130 [Lee] We're gonna go after this like it's a murder case. 456 00:21:46,174 --> 00:21:47,175 [dramatic music] 457 00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:49,351 And I mean my whole unit dedicated 458 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,745 to going through your health history 459 00:21:51,788 --> 00:21:54,922 for the last five years looking for anything 460 00:21:54,965 --> 00:21:58,099 that would indicate that you concealed something, 461 00:21:58,142 --> 00:22:00,014 you misrepresented something, 462 00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:01,972 so that they can cancel the policy 463 00:22:02,886 --> 00:22:06,237 or jack the rates so high that you can't pay them. 464 00:22:07,891 --> 00:22:09,066 And if we couldn't find anything 465 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:11,591 you didn't disclose on the application, 466 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:15,551 you can still get hit with a preexisting denial, 467 00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:16,987 because you don't even have 468 00:22:17,031 --> 00:22:19,381 to have sought medical treatment for it. 469 00:22:19,425 --> 00:22:20,991 In some states, it's legal to have 470 00:22:21,035 --> 00:22:24,386 what's called a prudent person preexisting condition. 471 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:26,432 And that's a mouthful, I know, 472 00:22:26,475 --> 00:22:28,912 but what that says is if prior 473 00:22:28,956 --> 00:22:30,740 to your insurance kicking in, 474 00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:34,222 you had any symptom which would incline 475 00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:38,792 a normally prudent person to have sought medical care, 476 00:22:39,706 --> 00:22:42,622 then the condition of which that symptom 477 00:22:42,665 --> 00:22:45,625 was a symptom is excluded. 478 00:22:49,498 --> 00:22:52,371 I know, it's labyrinthine, isn't it? 479 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,983 But that's how it works. 480 00:22:56,026 --> 00:22:58,115 They're supposed to be fair and even-handed, 481 00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:59,552 but with an insurance company, 482 00:22:59,595 --> 00:23:01,815 it's their frigging money! 483 00:23:01,858 --> 00:23:04,426 So, it's not unintentional, 484 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:07,777 it's not a mistake, it's not an oversight, 485 00:23:07,821 --> 00:23:10,258 you're not slipping through the cracks. 486 00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:13,653 Somebody made that crack and swept you towards it. 487 00:23:15,045 --> 00:23:17,918 And the intent is to maximize profits. 488 00:23:19,876 --> 00:23:23,097 Looking back, I don't know that I killed anybody. 489 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:25,621 Did I do harm in people's lives? 490 00:23:25,665 --> 00:23:28,276 Yeah, hell, yeah. 491 00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:32,976 I haven't worked for insurance companies 492 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,108 for a long time 493 00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:36,676 and I don't think that really serves 494 00:23:36,719 --> 00:23:41,724 to atone for my participation in that mess. 495 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:46,555 I am glad I'm out of it, though. 496 00:23:49,776 --> 00:23:51,386 [Michael Moore] Julie Pierce was struggling 497 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:53,954 to get care for her husband Tracy 498 00:23:53,997 --> 00:23:56,217 who was suffering from kidney cancer. 499 00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,438 Julie works in the intensive care unit 500 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:03,659 at St. Joseph's Medical Center in Kansas City, Missouri, 501 00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:06,575 which provided her family with health insurance. 502 00:24:06,619 --> 00:24:08,621 [Julie] Every month, there was a new drug 503 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:10,492 that the doctor wanted to try. 504 00:24:10,536 --> 00:24:12,233 My insurance denied it. 505 00:24:12,276 --> 00:24:15,715 One letter might say, "Not a medical necessity," 506 00:24:15,758 --> 00:24:17,194 one letter might say, 507 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,546 "It's not for this particular type of cancer," 508 00:24:20,589 --> 00:24:22,461 and they denied it. 509 00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,376 Then we came up with the bone marrow. 510 00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:27,770 It has showed to stop it, 511 00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:30,077 sometimes to completely get rid of it. 512 00:24:31,426 --> 00:24:33,384 [Michael Moore] Tracy's doctors said that this treatment 513 00:24:33,428 --> 00:24:36,866 had been successfully tried on many other patients. 514 00:24:38,215 --> 00:24:40,000 If one of Tracy's brothers turned out 515 00:24:40,043 --> 00:24:42,002 to be a suitable donor, 516 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:44,613 there were promising bone marrow treatments 517 00:24:44,657 --> 00:24:46,746 for beating Tracy's cancer. 518 00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:51,185 [Julie] Two weeks later, the bone marrow nurse at KU called 519 00:24:51,228 --> 00:24:53,622 me and she goes: "We've got the results back. 520 00:24:53,666 --> 00:24:56,495 His youngest brother is a perfect donor match." 521 00:24:57,626 --> 00:24:58,627 We were ecstatic. 522 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,372 I think that's the happiest I had seen him in a while. 523 00:25:08,985 --> 00:25:13,424 So, we submitted it and they denied it. 524 00:25:13,468 --> 00:25:14,730 Said it was experimental. 525 00:25:16,863 --> 00:25:19,605 So, I found out that there is a board of trustees 526 00:25:19,648 --> 00:25:22,869 over our medical plan that actually work at my hospital. 527 00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:25,219 And they are the final decision-makers 528 00:25:25,262 --> 00:25:28,048 on what gets approved and what doesn't get approved. 529 00:25:28,091 --> 00:25:29,876 [Michael Moore] Julie and her husband 530 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:32,879 and their son, Tracy Junior demanded a meeting 531 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,534 with the health plan's board of trustees. 532 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:37,274 The very people who had the power 533 00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:39,538 to approve their claim. 534 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:43,933 They told Julie that they were sympathetic to her situation. 535 00:25:43,977 --> 00:25:46,240 [Julie] I said, "Your sympathy does me no good 536 00:25:46,283 --> 00:25:48,416 when I'm burying him next year." 537 00:25:48,459 --> 00:25:52,028 And I told them, I said if I was... 538 00:25:52,072 --> 00:25:53,377 Bruce van Cleve was our CEO. 539 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:57,033 I said, "I bet if it was Bruce van Cleve's wife, 540 00:25:57,077 --> 00:25:58,208 it would get approved." 541 00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:01,908 "No, it's nothing like that, it's nothing like that." 542 00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:04,563 I said, "Or maybe if my husband was white." 543 00:26:04,606 --> 00:26:06,521 And I got up and walked out of the room. 544 00:26:08,262 --> 00:26:11,482 When we got home, I found him up in the bathroom. 545 00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:14,268 And I knocked on the door and said, 546 00:26:14,311 --> 00:26:15,486 "What are you doing in there?" 547 00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:17,271 [emotional music] 548 00:26:17,314 --> 00:26:18,664 "Nothing." 549 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:20,100 And I opened the door because usually he'll say, 550 00:26:20,143 --> 00:26:22,624 "What do you think I'm doing in here?" 551 00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:24,931 And he was sitting in there and he was crying. 552 00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:29,805 And he said, "Why me? 553 00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:31,590 I'm a good person." 554 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:34,244 And I said, "But we're not done fighting this. 555 00:26:35,289 --> 00:26:36,595 We're strong, yeah." 556 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:40,773 And then he said, "You know," he goes, 557 00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:43,558 "I can see now that I'm gonna die." 558 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:47,301 He said that, "I can leave everything in the world, 559 00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:49,520 but I don't wanna leave you and Tracy." 560 00:26:49,564 --> 00:26:52,393 [emotional music] 561 00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:56,440 The doctor told me he would die in three weeks. 562 00:26:57,746 --> 00:27:02,751 And on January 13th, which was my birthday, 563 00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:07,321 he went to sleep. 564 00:27:07,364 --> 00:27:09,149 [emotional music] 565 00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:11,499 And he died five days later, here at home. 566 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:15,677 He was my best friend. 567 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:17,897 He was my soul mate. 568 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:20,464 He was my son's father. 569 00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:23,772 [emotional music] 570 00:27:23,816 --> 00:27:25,078 We were to grow old together. 571 00:27:25,121 --> 00:27:26,775 [emotional music] 572 00:27:26,819 --> 00:27:29,996 They took away everything that matters. 573 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:35,654 I wanna know why, why my husband? 574 00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:40,180 Why wasn't he given the chance to live? 575 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,574 You preach these vision and values 576 00:27:43,618 --> 00:27:46,403 that we care for the sick, the dying, the poor, 577 00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:49,624 that we're a healthcare that leaves no one behind. 578 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:51,670 You left him behind. 579 00:27:51,713 --> 00:27:53,672 You didn't even give him a start. 580 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:57,458 It was as if he was nothing. 581 00:27:59,242 --> 00:28:02,202 And I want them to have a conscience about it. 582 00:28:02,245 --> 00:28:03,594 And I don't think they do. 583 00:28:03,638 --> 00:28:07,207 I don't think it has fazed them one bit, at all. 584 00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:14,997 [Michael Moore] There was one person 585 00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:18,522 in the healthcare industry who did have a conscience, 586 00:28:18,566 --> 00:28:19,959 Dr. Linda Peeno, 587 00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,745 A former medical reviewer at Humana. 588 00:28:23,789 --> 00:28:25,747 [Linda] My name is Linda Peeno. 589 00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:29,708 I am here today to make a public confession. 590 00:28:30,883 --> 00:28:34,625 In the spring of 1987, as a physician, 591 00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:37,890 I denied a man a necessary operation 592 00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:39,543 that would have saved his life 593 00:28:39,587 --> 00:28:40,849 and thus caused his death. 594 00:28:43,243 --> 00:28:46,899 No person and no group has held me accountable for this, 595 00:28:46,942 --> 00:28:48,727 because, in fact, what I did was I saved 596 00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,991 the company a half a million dollars for this. 597 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,821 And furthermore, this particular act 598 00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:59,781 secured my reputation as a good medical director 599 00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:01,914 and it ensured my continued advancement 600 00:29:01,957 --> 00:29:03,872 in the healthcare field. 601 00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,527 I went from making a few hundred dollars a week 602 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:07,963 as a medical reviewer 603 00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:10,183 to an escalating six-figure income 604 00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:11,837 as a physician executive. 605 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:16,058 In all my work, I had one primary duty 606 00:29:16,102 --> 00:29:19,018 and that was to use my medical expertise 607 00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:21,716 for the financial benefit of the organization 608 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,717 for which I worked. 609 00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:27,026 And I was told repeatedly that I was not denying care, 610 00:29:27,069 --> 00:29:28,679 I was simply denying payment. 611 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:32,901 I know how managed care maims and kills patients. 612 00:29:32,945 --> 00:29:34,337 So, I'm here to tell you about 613 00:29:34,381 --> 00:29:36,731 the dirty work of managed care. 614 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,342 And I'm haunted by the thousands of pieces of paper 615 00:29:39,386 --> 00:29:41,910 on which I have written that deadly word, denied. 616 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:44,347 Thank you. 617 00:29:44,391 --> 00:29:47,220 [emotional music] 618 00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:50,484 [Michael Moore] How did we get to the point of doctors 619 00:29:50,527 --> 00:29:54,793 at health insurance companies actually being responsible 620 00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:56,577 for the deaths of patients? 621 00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:58,971 [emotional music] 622 00:29:59,014 --> 00:30:00,799 Who invented this system? 623 00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:03,062 [emotional music] 624 00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:04,890 How did this all begin? 625 00:30:04,933 --> 00:30:07,936 [emotional music] 626 00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,243 Where did the HMO start? 627 00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:13,115 [emotional music] 628 00:30:14,943 --> 00:30:18,555 Thanks to the wonders of magnetic tape, we know. 629 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,341 [dramatic music] 630 00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:22,315 [Nixon] I am proposing today 631 00:31:22,358 --> 00:31:24,273 a new national health strategy. 632 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,930 The purpose of this program is simply this, 633 00:31:28,974 --> 00:31:31,846 I want America to have the finest healthcare in the world 634 00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:35,632 and I want every American to be able 635 00:31:35,676 --> 00:31:37,852 to have that care when he needs it. 636 00:31:39,767 --> 00:31:41,638 [Michael Moore] The plan hatched between Nixon 637 00:31:41,682 --> 00:31:44,032 and Edgar Kaiser worked. 638 00:31:44,076 --> 00:31:45,729 In the ensuing years, 639 00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:48,428 patients were given less and less care. 640 00:31:48,471 --> 00:31:50,952 [Journalist #1] Bigger logjams at the nearby hospital 641 00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:52,954 and less quality medical care. 642 00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,608 Been here about 18 hours, 643 00:31:54,651 --> 00:31:56,262 since 7:00 this morning. 644 00:31:56,305 --> 00:31:57,480 What looks cramped 645 00:31:57,524 --> 00:32:00,222 and unsightly can also be dangerous. 646 00:32:00,266 --> 00:32:03,356 [Michael Moore] While health insurance companies became wealthy, 647 00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:05,532 the system was broken. 648 00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:08,013 [TV Reporter] 37 million Americans are without protectin 649 00:32:08,056 --> 00:32:09,666 against catastrophic illness. 650 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:11,451 [Journalist #2] The losers are the poor 651 00:32:11,494 --> 00:32:14,193 who may now postpone urgently needed healthcare 652 00:32:14,236 --> 00:32:16,151 until it's too late. 653 00:32:16,195 --> 00:32:17,936 [Michael Moore] This went on for years, 654 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,113 until this man rode into town. 655 00:32:22,462 --> 00:32:24,681 Bringing with him his little lady. 656 00:32:26,553 --> 00:32:29,077 ♪ I know a place 657 00:32:29,121 --> 00:32:31,340 ♪ I'll take you there 658 00:32:31,384 --> 00:32:32,951 ♪ Ain't nobody crying Sassy. 659 00:32:33,864 --> 00:32:35,692 ♪ I'll take you there 660 00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:37,085 Smart 661 00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:38,652 ♪ Help me now 662 00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:40,567 ♪ I'll take you there 663 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:41,437 Sexy. 664 00:32:43,352 --> 00:32:45,441 ♪ I'll take you there 665 00:32:45,485 --> 00:32:47,139 Some men couldn't handle it. 666 00:32:48,662 --> 00:32:50,969 [Bill Clinton] Today I am announcing the formation 667 00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,927 of the President's Task Force 668 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,581 on National Health Reform, 669 00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,671 chaired by the First Lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton. 670 00:32:57,714 --> 00:32:59,499 [Michael Moore] Hillary Rodham Clinton decided 671 00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:03,068 to make healthcare for everyone her top priority. 672 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:05,679 [Hillary Clinton] Universal coverage now. 673 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:08,421 It will not depend upon where you work, whether you work 674 00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:10,640 or whether you have a preexisting condition. 675 00:33:10,684 --> 00:33:13,382 Healthcare that can never be taken away. 676 00:33:13,426 --> 00:33:14,818 [Female Journalist] Some Republicans complain 677 00:33:14,862 --> 00:33:16,646 Mrs. Clinton is getting a free ride 678 00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:18,126 because she's the president's wife. 679 00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:21,042 [Bob Dole] It's fairly risky business, I believe 680 00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:22,565 what President Clinton did, 681 00:33:22,609 --> 00:33:25,307 to put his wife in charge of some big policy program. 682 00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:27,353 [Dick Armey] And while I don't share the chairman's joy 683 00:33:27,396 --> 00:33:28,528 at our holding hearings 684 00:33:28,571 --> 00:33:31,270 on a government-run healthcare system, 685 00:33:32,227 --> 00:33:34,403 I do share his intention to make the debate 686 00:33:34,447 --> 00:33:37,928 and the legislative process as exciting as possible. 687 00:33:37,972 --> 00:33:40,540 [Hillary Clinton] I'm sure you will do that, Mr. Armey. 688 00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:41,410 [Hillary laughs] 689 00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:42,324 We'll do the best we can. 690 00:33:42,368 --> 00:33:44,283 You and Dr. Kevorkian, I think. 691 00:33:44,326 --> 00:33:46,937 [Armey laughs] 692 00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:53,335 I have been told about your charm and wit, 693 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:54,206 and let me say, 694 00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:58,471 reports on your charm are overstated 695 00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:01,082 and reports on your wit are understated. 696 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:03,432 Thank you, thank you very much. 697 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:06,218 [Michael Moore] She drove Washington insane. 698 00:34:06,261 --> 00:34:07,915 [Politician] Do you really want the federal government 699 00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:09,569 to control your healthcare? 700 00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:11,049 [Politician] You won't have the choice of your own doctors. 701 00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:12,615 [Politician] Less government mandates. 702 00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:13,834 - Less government. - [Bob Dole] More government control. 703 00:34:13,877 --> 00:34:15,053 More government. 704 00:34:15,096 --> 00:34:16,228 And less control for you and your family. 705 00:34:16,271 --> 00:34:17,707 [Phil Graham] When your mama gets sick, 706 00:34:17,751 --> 00:34:20,449 she might talk to a bureaucrat instead of a doctor. 707 00:34:20,493 --> 00:34:23,409 [Newt Gingrich] This is a total mess and it's about to get messier. 708 00:34:23,452 --> 00:34:24,801 [Robert Novak] Not this big bureaucratic, 709 00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:26,499 socialistic plan that they have. 710 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:27,717 [Pat Buchanan] Socialist takeover... 711 00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:29,371 [Politician] Socialized medicine. 712 00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:31,852 [Politician] What really amounts to a giant social experiment. 713 00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:34,637 [dramatic music] 714 00:34:36,726 --> 00:34:38,511 [Michael Moore] Socialized medicine. 715 00:34:38,554 --> 00:34:40,078 Nothing put more fear in us 716 00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:41,688 than the thought of that. 717 00:34:42,732 --> 00:34:46,171 And the chief fear mongers against socialized medicine 718 00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:48,912 have always been the good doctors 719 00:34:48,956 --> 00:34:51,001 of the American Medical Association. 720 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:52,829 [Dr. Edward Annis] This would put the government smack 721 00:34:52,873 --> 00:34:54,614 into your hospital. 722 00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:57,660 Defining services, setting standards, 723 00:34:57,704 --> 00:34:59,358 establishing committees, 724 00:34:59,401 --> 00:35:01,011 calling for reports, 725 00:35:01,055 --> 00:35:03,579 deciding who gets in and who gets out. 726 00:35:03,623 --> 00:35:05,320 After all, the government has to treat 727 00:35:05,364 --> 00:35:07,583 everyone fair and equal, don't you know? 728 00:35:07,627 --> 00:35:09,803 Take us all the way down the road 729 00:35:09,846 --> 00:35:12,719 to a new system of medicine for everybody. 730 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,069 [Michael Moore] Yes, medicine for everyone. 731 00:35:15,113 --> 00:35:15,939 [dramatic music] 732 00:35:15,983 --> 00:35:17,463 The AMA didn't want that. 733 00:35:18,855 --> 00:35:21,119 And to drive the point home further, 734 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:23,164 they held thousands of coffeeklatsches 735 00:35:23,208 --> 00:35:26,950 all over the country where they invited their neighbors 736 00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:29,257 to come and listen to a record 737 00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,346 made by a well-known actor 738 00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:34,393 on the evils of socialized medicine. 739 00:35:34,436 --> 00:35:36,612 [Ronald Reagan] My name is Ronald Reagan. 740 00:35:36,656 --> 00:35:38,962 One of the traditional methods of imposing 741 00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:42,009 statism or socialism on a people has been 742 00:35:42,052 --> 00:35:43,184 by way of medicine. 743 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,839 The doctor begins to lose freedoms. 744 00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:48,581 It's like telling a lie and one leads to another. 745 00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:52,280 A doctor decides he wants to practice in one town 746 00:35:52,324 --> 00:35:53,673 and the government has says to him, 747 00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:54,978 "You can't live in that town. 748 00:35:55,022 --> 00:35:56,241 They already have enough doctors. 749 00:35:56,284 --> 00:35:58,939 You have to go someplace else." 750 00:35:58,982 --> 00:36:01,681 All of us can see what happens once you establish 751 00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:04,510 the precedent that the government can determine 752 00:36:04,553 --> 00:36:08,557 a man's working place and his working methods. 753 00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:10,951 And behind it will come other federal programs 754 00:36:10,994 --> 00:36:12,822 that will invade every area of freedom 755 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,911 as we have known it in this country. 756 00:36:14,955 --> 00:36:18,219 Until one day, we will awake to find 757 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:19,873 that we have socialism. 758 00:36:19,916 --> 00:36:21,266 [dramatic music] 759 00:36:21,309 --> 00:36:23,790 [Protestor] Yeah! Burn baby burn! 760 00:36:23,833 --> 00:36:25,226 [Connie Chung] The White House said today it's time 761 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:26,967 to tone down the rhetoric reacting 762 00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:29,187 to the burning an effigy of Hillary Rodham Clinton. 763 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:31,058 [Michael Moore] The times may have changed, 764 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:32,538 but the scare tactics hadn't. 765 00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:34,844 The healthcare industries spent 766 00:36:34,888 --> 00:36:36,585 over a hundred million dollars 767 00:36:36,629 --> 00:36:39,414 to defeat Hillary's healthcare plan. 768 00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:40,502 And they succeeded. 769 00:36:41,503 --> 00:36:45,028 And I want now to introduce to you the president, 770 00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:48,684 because he loves the Easter egg roll. 771 00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:51,034 [Michael Moore] For the next seven years in the White House, 772 00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:53,298 she wasn't allowed to bring it up again. 773 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:55,213 Is anybody here older than two? 774 00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:57,824 [Michael Moore] A decade and a half went by 775 00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:00,740 and still America had no universal health plan. 776 00:37:02,176 --> 00:37:04,047 The United States slipped to number 37 777 00:37:04,091 --> 00:37:06,180 in healthcare around the world. 778 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:09,270 Just slightly ahead of Slovenia. 779 00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:14,232 [men speaking in foreign language] 780 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:15,581 But that's understandable, 781 00:37:15,624 --> 00:37:18,192 because Congress was busy with other matters. 782 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,804 [Congressman] Mr. Speaker, today I rise to offer congratulations 783 00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:24,720 to the confectioners at Just Born Incorporated, 784 00:37:24,764 --> 00:37:27,027 as they celebrate the 50th anniversary 785 00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:28,420 of one of their most recognized 786 00:37:28,463 --> 00:37:30,073 and celebrated products, 787 00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:31,901 not to mention my daughter's favorite, 788 00:37:31,945 --> 00:37:33,816 Marshmallow Peeps. 789 00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:35,427 [Michael Moore] And thus, the healthcare industry 790 00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:38,778 went unchecked into the early 21st century. 791 00:37:38,821 --> 00:37:41,171 [Stock Analyst] Humana more than doubles its fourth quarter profit, 792 00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:43,261 lifts its earnings outlook for the year as well. 793 00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:45,785 [Stock Analyst #2] United Health has tripled its share prices. 794 00:37:45,828 --> 00:37:47,526 [Michael Moore] Making obscene profits. 795 00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:48,875 Had to beat their estimates. 796 00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:50,485 [News Anchor] ] Better than expected earnings. 797 00:37:50,529 --> 00:37:52,313 [News Anchor #2] There's a lot of wealthy shareholders 798 00:37:52,357 --> 00:37:53,662 out there right now, 799 00:37:53,706 --> 00:37:55,316 are they willing to share some of that wealth? 800 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,927 [Michael Moore] Turning their CEOs into billionaires. 801 00:37:59,581 --> 00:38:02,280 And skirting the law whenever they wanted. 802 00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:04,456 [dramatic music] 803 00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:06,371 But their biggest accomplishmet 804 00:38:06,414 --> 00:38:09,025 was buying our United States Congress. 805 00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:10,853 [Journalist] This is Washington at work. 806 00:38:10,897 --> 00:38:12,768 Lobbying has become so brazen, 807 00:38:12,812 --> 00:38:14,117 the money is being collected... 808 00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:16,903 With four times as many healthcare lobbyists 809 00:38:16,946 --> 00:38:19,079 than there are members of Congress. 810 00:38:19,122 --> 00:38:22,778 They even managed to buy off old foes. 811 00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:25,738 For her silence, Hillary was rewarded. 812 00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:28,088 And she became the second largest recipient 813 00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:32,135 in the Senate of healthcare industry contributions. 814 00:38:32,179 --> 00:38:34,921 [dramatic music] 815 00:38:36,618 --> 00:38:39,186 [Politician] We've given the entire healthcare system 816 00:38:39,229 --> 00:38:41,754 over to the insurance industry. 817 00:38:41,797 --> 00:38:43,146 And they have total control. 818 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:45,932 [Michael Moore] Well, not total control. 819 00:38:45,975 --> 00:38:47,368 The drug companies like to buy 820 00:38:47,412 --> 00:38:48,891 their members of Congress too. 821 00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:52,591 Here's what it costs to buy these men 822 00:38:54,027 --> 00:38:55,768 and this woman. 823 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:57,770 [audience applauding] 824 00:38:57,813 --> 00:39:02,427 This guy and this guy and him too. 825 00:39:04,777 --> 00:39:05,908 [Loudspeaker] Ladies and gentlemen, 826 00:39:05,952 --> 00:39:08,694 the President of the United States. 827 00:39:08,737 --> 00:39:11,174 [Michael Moore] And the biggest check was saved for last. 828 00:39:11,218 --> 00:39:13,394 [dramatic music] 829 00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:15,265 Why did they hand out all this cash? 830 00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:18,181 They wanted a bill passed, 831 00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:21,620 a bill to help seniors with their prescriptions. 832 00:39:21,663 --> 00:39:23,883 [Billy Tauzin] Let there be no mistake about it. 833 00:39:23,926 --> 00:39:25,711 Republicans love their mothers 834 00:39:25,754 --> 00:39:27,539 and their fathers and their grandparents 835 00:39:27,582 --> 00:39:29,497 as much as anybody else on this hill 836 00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:31,717 and we're gonna take care of them in this country. 837 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,196 [crowd cheering] 838 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,807 [Michael Moore] Of course, it was really a bill 839 00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:37,940 to hand over 800 billion of our tax dollars 840 00:39:37,984 --> 00:39:40,290 to the drug and health insurance industry. 841 00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:42,292 By letting the drug companies charge 842 00:39:42,336 --> 00:39:43,816 whatever they wanted. 843 00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:45,557 And making the private health insurance 844 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,776 companies the middleman. 845 00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:50,344 Everybody was going to get their cut. 846 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,042 And the man they appointed to get the job done 847 00:39:53,086 --> 00:39:55,784 was congressman Billy Tauzin. 848 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:58,047 He was the right man for the job 849 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,528 because he had a secret weapon. 850 00:40:01,529 --> 00:40:03,575 [Billy Tauzin] There's no one in this house loves their mother 851 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:05,315 more than I love my mother. 852 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:06,752 I challenge you on that, sir. 853 00:40:06,795 --> 00:40:10,233 Nobody in this body that loves their mother any more 854 00:40:10,277 --> 00:40:12,235 or any less than any one of us. 855 00:40:12,279 --> 00:40:13,062 [dramatic music] 856 00:40:13,106 --> 00:40:14,673 I love that woman. 857 00:40:14,716 --> 00:40:17,458 Do you think for a second you love your moms and dads 858 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,460 any more than we love ours? 859 00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:23,421 Do you think Republicans and Democrats who will vote... 860 00:40:23,464 --> 00:40:24,509 Do you really believe that, Mr. Stoddard? 861 00:40:24,552 --> 00:40:25,553 [Stoddard] Yes! 862 00:40:25,597 --> 00:40:27,555 God bless you. 863 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,079 [Michael Moore] Oh, they all loved their mothers. 864 00:40:30,123 --> 00:40:33,605 It's just that they didn't love our mothers as much. 865 00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:34,693 [audience applauding] 866 00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:37,347 Now I'm honored and pleased to sign 867 00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:39,437 this historic piece of legislation, 868 00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,614 the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement 869 00:40:42,657 --> 00:40:46,313 and Modernization Act of 2003. 870 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:48,881 [audience applauding] 871 00:40:48,924 --> 00:40:50,578 [Michael Moore] What they didnt tell us was 872 00:40:50,622 --> 00:40:52,580 that the elderly could end up paying more 873 00:40:52,624 --> 00:40:55,540 for their prescriptions than they did before. 874 00:40:55,583 --> 00:40:58,238 Over two thirds of senior citizens 875 00:40:58,281 --> 00:41:02,111 could still pay over $2,000 a year. 876 00:41:02,155 --> 00:41:03,939 And when it was all over, 877 00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:07,160 14 congressional aids who worked on the bill 878 00:41:07,203 --> 00:41:09,118 quit their jobs on the Hill 879 00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:11,773 and went to work for the healthcare industry. 880 00:41:13,166 --> 00:41:15,995 As did one congressman. 881 00:41:16,038 --> 00:41:19,520 ♪ 'Cause I've got a golden ticket ♪ 882 00:41:19,564 --> 00:41:24,090 Billy Tauzin left Congress to become the CEO of PhRMA, 883 00:41:24,133 --> 00:41:26,179 the drug industry lobby 884 00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:28,964 for a salary of $2 million a year. 885 00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:33,839 Oh, It was a happy day in Washington. 886 00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:37,756 And many Americans knew they were never going 887 00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:39,497 to see universal healthcare. 888 00:41:40,759 --> 00:41:43,370 And that's why some of them decided 889 00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:45,024 to look elsewhere for help. 890 00:41:50,725 --> 00:41:53,685 [Adrian] We're driving across the Detroit river. 891 00:41:53,728 --> 00:41:55,600 Back there is the Renaissance Center, 892 00:41:55,643 --> 00:41:56,949 you can see the Renaissance Center, 893 00:41:56,992 --> 00:41:58,516 General Motors' headquarters, 894 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,692 downtown Detroit, the skyline. 895 00:42:01,867 --> 00:42:04,739 You get a really nice view from driving over the bridge. 896 00:42:04,783 --> 00:42:06,959 [Michael Moore] This is Adrian Campbell. 897 00:42:07,002 --> 00:42:08,351 A single mother, 898 00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:11,529 who at the age of 22 came down with cancer. 899 00:42:12,486 --> 00:42:13,966 I got cervical cancer 900 00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:16,795 and I was denied through the insurance company. 901 00:42:16,838 --> 00:42:18,100 They said, "We're not paying for it 902 00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:20,755 because you're 22 and you don't have... 903 00:42:20,799 --> 00:42:23,366 You shouldn't be having cervical cancer. 904 00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:25,194 You're too young." 905 00:42:25,238 --> 00:42:28,241 [Michael Moore] Forced into debt, but now cancer free. 906 00:42:28,284 --> 00:42:29,459 Adrian was fed up 907 00:42:29,503 --> 00:42:31,505 with the American healthcare system. 908 00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:33,594 She had a new plan. 909 00:42:33,638 --> 00:42:34,900 [Adrian] I have everything reay 910 00:42:34,943 --> 00:42:36,423 before I even hit the border. 911 00:42:36,466 --> 00:42:37,642 I got my passports ready, 912 00:42:37,685 --> 00:42:39,295 I got my money out. 913 00:42:40,819 --> 00:42:43,735 It's $3.25 to get across one way. 914 00:42:43,778 --> 00:42:46,128 And I got everything just sitting up here 915 00:42:46,172 --> 00:42:48,478 on my visor just ready to go. 916 00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:55,355 Aurora, be very quiet. 917 00:43:00,142 --> 00:43:01,709 - [Border Guard] Citizenships? - US. 918 00:43:01,753 --> 00:43:03,885 Where do you live? I live in Michigan. 919 00:43:03,929 --> 00:43:05,365 - That's not on, right? - No. 920 00:43:06,714 --> 00:43:08,498 [Michael Moore] She may live in Michigan, 921 00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:12,024 but ten blocks across the border, 922 00:43:12,067 --> 00:43:14,940 Adrian becomes a Canadian. 923 00:43:14,983 --> 00:43:16,681 [Clinic Lady] How long have you been living here? 924 00:43:16,724 --> 00:43:18,204 Three months? 925 00:43:18,247 --> 00:43:19,509 A couple. 926 00:43:19,553 --> 00:43:21,468 But I haven't applied for the OHIP card yet 927 00:43:21,511 --> 00:43:23,252 'cause I still have mine. 928 00:43:23,296 --> 00:43:24,819 It takes ten minutes. 929 00:43:24,863 --> 00:43:26,908 That's fine, I don't mind. 930 00:43:26,952 --> 00:43:28,431 Okay, thank you. 931 00:43:28,475 --> 00:43:31,043 I put down Kyle's address at the clinic 932 00:43:31,086 --> 00:43:33,872 and when they ask what my relationship is, 933 00:43:33,915 --> 00:43:38,659 I put down that I was his common-law partner. 934 00:43:38,703 --> 00:43:40,269 I don't like to lie and I don't like liars. 935 00:43:40,313 --> 00:43:42,620 It's little white lies, but it's... 936 00:43:43,446 --> 00:43:45,492 I'm saving the money. 937 00:43:46,362 --> 00:43:47,363 [Kyle] You don't have to bring a checkbook 938 00:43:47,407 --> 00:43:49,539 when you go to the hospital here. 939 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:51,977 It's provided to us. 940 00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:53,239 It's something you don't have to worry about, 941 00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:54,588 you don't have to go out of your way to get. 942 00:43:55,894 --> 00:43:56,721 Stress free. 943 00:43:58,418 --> 00:44:01,160 [dramatic music] 944 00:44:02,727 --> 00:44:03,989 They're calling the cops. 945 00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,294 [Michael Moore] The presence of our camera crew 946 00:44:05,338 --> 00:44:08,036 had alerted the clinic that something was up. 947 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,995 And I don't think I'm gonna get seen now. 948 00:44:10,038 --> 00:44:11,300 So, I have another idea. 949 00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:14,695 I'm gonna go down to the other clinic. 950 00:44:16,479 --> 00:44:19,569 There is a clinic down one that we passed. 951 00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:22,094 The police showed up over there. 952 00:44:22,964 --> 00:44:24,139 Look. 953 00:44:24,183 --> 00:44:25,793 [dramatic music] 954 00:44:25,837 --> 00:44:27,839 [Michael Moore] Yes, what Adrian was doing was illegal. 955 00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:29,579 But we're Americans. 956 00:44:29,623 --> 00:44:31,799 We go into other countries when we need to. 957 00:44:32,931 --> 00:44:35,281 It's tricky, but it's allowed. 958 00:44:35,324 --> 00:44:38,066 [dramatic music] 959 00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:41,766 [Kyle] It's kind of frustrating having... 960 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:43,289 Just get married and that'd solve everything, 961 00:44:43,332 --> 00:44:44,812 she'd be covered automatically. 962 00:44:44,856 --> 00:44:47,380 Americans marry Canadians just for the healthcare! 963 00:44:49,077 --> 00:44:50,644 I'm being used. 964 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:52,124 [Michael Moore] Sounds like a good idea. 965 00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:53,255 See if it works. 966 00:44:54,343 --> 00:44:55,910 Start something, start a trend. 967 00:44:58,304 --> 00:45:00,654 [Bill O'Reilly] In Canada they give everybody free healthcare, 968 00:45:00,698 --> 00:45:02,090 doesn't it work up there? 969 00:45:02,134 --> 00:45:03,744 [Sally Pipes] Well, no, unfortunately it doesn't. 970 00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:05,006 [Steve forbes] We wait months to get treatment 971 00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,313 you can get in a week or a few days here. 972 00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:10,708 [Newscaster] In Canada you have to wait 9 to 10 months 973 00:45:10,751 --> 00:45:11,970 for bypass surgery. 974 00:45:12,013 --> 00:45:13,449 [Newscaster #2] Many Canadians believe 975 00:45:13,493 --> 00:45:17,323 it's the healthcare system itself that's truly sick. 976 00:45:17,366 --> 00:45:19,107 [Newscaster #3] They pay their doctors less. 977 00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:21,022 [Newscaster #4] A surgeon can only do a certain number 978 00:45:21,066 --> 00:45:22,676 of operations each year. 979 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,461 With only so many expensive new pieces of equipment. 980 00:45:25,505 --> 00:45:27,637 [John Emling] It's easier for your cat or dog 981 00:45:27,681 --> 00:45:29,770 to receive an MRI here in America. 982 00:45:29,814 --> 00:45:31,859 [TV Personality] You die of cancer waiting for chemo 983 00:45:31,903 --> 00:45:33,774 'cause all of Ottawa has one chemo machine. 984 00:45:33,818 --> 00:45:37,256 [George Bush Sr.] And if you think socialized medicine is a 985 00:45:37,299 --> 00:45:39,127 good idea, ask a Canadian. 986 00:45:40,389 --> 00:45:42,261 [Michael Moore] So, I thought who better to ask 987 00:45:42,304 --> 00:45:46,352 than my Canadian relatives, Bob and Estelle. 988 00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:49,703 But they wouldn't cross the border into America. 989 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:53,228 They wanted me to meet them at Sears in Canada. 990 00:45:54,664 --> 00:45:56,057 What are you guys doing here? 991 00:45:57,406 --> 00:45:58,277 [Estelle÷} We're buying insurance, 992 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,452 we're going over to the states. 993 00:45:59,495 --> 00:46:01,106 [Bob] We're going to the states to see you. 994 00:46:02,194 --> 00:46:03,282 [Michael Moore] That's just across the river. 995 00:46:03,325 --> 00:46:04,936 - Yeah. - Yeah. 996 00:46:04,979 --> 00:46:06,981 [Michael Moore] You wouldn't go over to see us over in Michigan 997 00:46:07,025 --> 00:46:09,201 for a couple of hours without insurance? 998 00:46:09,244 --> 00:46:11,159 No, we wouldn't. 999 00:46:11,203 --> 00:46:12,421 We're just adamant about it. 1000 00:46:12,465 --> 00:46:13,814 We would not do it. 1001 00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:16,686 If somebody punches us in the mouth or something, 1002 00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:18,166 something like that... 1003 00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:19,994 [Michael Moore] You don't wanna get caught in the 1004 00:46:20,038 --> 00:46:21,822 - American health system thing? - That's right. 1005 00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:25,043 We have nothing against Americans or America 1006 00:46:25,086 --> 00:46:27,132 or anything like that at all. 1007 00:46:27,175 --> 00:46:29,656 [Michael Moore] We're a nice and simple people. 1008 00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:32,441 Not very simple, but certainly very nice. 1009 00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:36,141 [Michael Moore] I decided to explore 1010 00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:38,447 their anti-American views further 1011 00:46:38,491 --> 00:46:40,972 over some fine Canadian cuisine. 1012 00:46:41,015 --> 00:46:43,757 We have a friend who went to Hawaii 1013 00:46:44,714 --> 00:46:48,936 and he sustained a head injury while he was there. 1014 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:51,721 And before he was well enough to come home, 1015 00:46:51,765 --> 00:46:55,464 he had chalked up a bill of over $600,000. 1016 00:46:57,118 --> 00:47:01,601 So, what middle-class Canadian could absorb that? 1017 00:47:01,644 --> 00:47:04,256 [Michael Moore] I guess I feel bad that you would have 1018 00:47:04,299 --> 00:47:05,735 to worry about something like that. 1019 00:47:05,779 --> 00:47:07,650 We're not criticizing your country, 1020 00:47:07,694 --> 00:47:10,001 we're just giving you the facts, 1021 00:47:10,044 --> 00:47:13,221 that we could not afford to be without insurance. 1022 00:47:15,049 --> 00:47:15,963 [Michael Moore] Even for a day? 1023 00:47:16,007 --> 00:47:17,443 Even for a day. 1024 00:47:19,575 --> 00:47:21,577 [Michael Moore] To prove their point even further, 1025 00:47:21,621 --> 00:47:23,536 they sent me over to a local golf course 1026 00:47:23,579 --> 00:47:25,538 to talk to Larry Godfrey 1027 00:47:25,581 --> 00:47:28,846 who had a golfing accident while on vacation in Florida. 1028 00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:32,240 [Larry] I could hear a noise and feel a pain 1029 00:47:32,284 --> 00:47:34,634 and the tendon snapped off this bone here 1030 00:47:34,677 --> 00:47:37,071 that holds the bicep in place. 1031 00:47:37,115 --> 00:47:40,553 So, this bicep muscle was released like on an elastic 1032 00:47:40,596 --> 00:47:43,208 and it ended up here on my chest. 1033 00:47:43,251 --> 00:47:44,078 The muscle came up right on your arm 1034 00:47:44,122 --> 00:47:45,688 and ended up in your chest? 1035 00:47:45,732 --> 00:47:47,299 Ended up right here. 1036 00:47:47,342 --> 00:47:49,083 [Michael Moore] Like all good golfers. 1037 00:47:49,127 --> 00:47:52,782 Larry finished his round before seeking medical attention. 1038 00:47:53,827 --> 00:47:56,612 That's when he got the bad new. 1039 00:47:56,656 --> 00:47:57,831 I wasn't too worried 1040 00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,267 because I had out-of- country insurance, 1041 00:47:59,311 --> 00:48:02,880 but when he told me it was 23 or 24,000, then I... 1042 00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:04,925 24,000? 1043 00:48:04,969 --> 00:48:06,796 Dollars, yes. 1044 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,928 So, if you'd stayed in the United States, 1045 00:48:07,972 --> 00:48:09,669 this would have cost you $ 24,000? 1046 00:48:09,712 --> 00:48:10,800 $24,000, yes. 1047 00:48:10,844 --> 00:48:12,541 Instead, you went back to Canada 1048 00:48:13,629 --> 00:48:15,283 and Canada paid your total expenses? 1049 00:48:15,327 --> 00:48:16,284 Everything. 1050 00:48:16,328 --> 00:48:17,590 - Paid for the operation. - Yes. 1051 00:48:17,633 --> 00:48:18,721 - And it cost you? - Nothing. 1052 00:48:18,765 --> 00:48:19,809 - Zero. - Zero. 1053 00:48:21,072 --> 00:48:22,464 Zero. 1054 00:48:22,508 --> 00:48:24,292 I'm wondering why you expect your fellow Canadians, 1055 00:48:24,336 --> 00:48:26,207 who don't have your problem, 1056 00:48:26,251 --> 00:48:28,166 why should they, through their tax dollars, 1057 00:48:28,209 --> 00:48:31,125 have to pay for a problem you have? 1058 00:48:31,169 --> 00:48:33,606 Because we would do the same for them. 1059 00:48:35,347 --> 00:48:36,565 It's just the way it's always been 1060 00:48:36,609 --> 00:48:39,351 and it's the way we hope it'll always be. 1061 00:48:39,394 --> 00:48:42,049 Right, but if you just had to pay for your problem 1062 00:48:42,093 --> 00:48:43,703 and don't pay for everybody else's problem, 1063 00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:45,052 just take care of yourself? 1064 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:47,272 Well, there are a lot of people 1065 00:48:47,315 --> 00:48:49,752 who aren't in a position to be able to do that. 1066 00:48:49,796 --> 00:48:52,364 And somebody has to look after them. 1067 00:48:52,407 --> 00:48:54,496 Are you a member of the Socialist Party here? 1068 00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:55,845 No, no. 1069 00:48:55,889 --> 00:48:57,108 Green Party? 1070 00:48:57,151 --> 00:48:58,674 No. 1071 00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:01,155 Well, actually, I'm a member of the Conservative Party. 1072 00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:03,418 Is that bad? 1073 00:49:05,681 --> 00:49:07,248 Well, it's just a little confusing. 1074 00:49:07,292 --> 00:49:09,859 Well, it shouldn't be. 1075 00:49:11,905 --> 00:49:13,863 I think that where medical matters are concerned, 1076 00:49:13,907 --> 00:49:15,126 it wouldn't matter in Canada 1077 00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:19,434 what party you were affiliated with, if any. 1078 00:49:19,478 --> 00:49:23,351 But, to us, as we look across the river here, 1079 00:49:23,395 --> 00:49:25,049 why don't you think we don't believe that? 1080 00:49:25,092 --> 00:49:27,703 What's wrong on this issue with us? 1081 00:49:27,747 --> 00:49:32,404 I guess the powers that be don't share our beliefs 1082 00:49:33,927 --> 00:49:36,625 that healthcare ought to be universal. 1083 00:49:36,669 --> 00:49:39,063 Canadians didn't until we met up 1084 00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:41,369 with a guy named Tommy Douglas, 1085 00:49:41,413 --> 00:49:44,764 who pretty much changed everyone's mind. 1086 00:49:45,721 --> 00:49:46,505 One guy? 1087 00:49:46,548 --> 00:49:47,985 One guy, yeah. 1088 00:49:48,028 --> 00:49:48,942 One guy did it. 1089 00:49:50,074 --> 00:49:51,031 Can he come over and visit us? 1090 00:49:51,075 --> 00:49:52,380 He's dead, unfortunately. 1091 00:49:52,424 --> 00:49:56,254 In fact, he's just most recently been revered 1092 00:49:56,297 --> 00:49:59,866 as Canada's singular most important person. 1093 00:50:00,998 --> 00:50:02,434 We think so much of... 1094 00:50:02,477 --> 00:50:03,739 You mean in your history? 1095 00:50:03,783 --> 00:50:04,436 - In our history. - In your whole history? 1096 00:50:04,479 --> 00:50:05,654 In our whole history 1097 00:50:05,698 --> 00:50:06,438 More than your first prime minister? 1098 00:50:06,481 --> 00:50:07,917 Absolutely, yeah. 1099 00:50:07,961 --> 00:50:09,397 Even more than Wayne Gretzky. 1100 00:50:10,442 --> 00:50:12,009 - No way! - Absolutely. 1101 00:50:14,359 --> 00:50:15,447 More than Celine Dion? 1102 00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:17,405 Great singer, more than Celine, yeah. 1103 00:50:17,449 --> 00:50:19,538 More than Rocky and Bullwinkle? 1104 00:50:19,581 --> 00:50:20,408 Maybe. 1105 00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:27,198 [Brad] As the blade went through, 1106 00:50:27,241 --> 00:50:28,764 it caught the glove I was wearing 1107 00:50:28,808 --> 00:50:32,551 and it sliced through the entire group of fingers 1108 00:50:32,594 --> 00:50:34,857 and completely taking them off. 1109 00:50:34,901 --> 00:50:37,556 And I realized that I needed help immediately. 1110 00:50:39,601 --> 00:50:42,082 [Doctor Richards] Well, obviously, putting on amputated 1111 00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,823 fingers or arms or limbs is one of the more dramatic things 1112 00:50:43,866 --> 00:50:44,998 that we can do. 1113 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:46,521 If you're looking at five fingers, 1114 00:50:46,565 --> 00:50:48,958 you're potentially looking at a 24-hour operation. 1115 00:50:49,002 --> 00:50:51,439 There actually was four surgeons, 1116 00:50:51,483 --> 00:50:53,093 as well as all the nurses, 1117 00:50:53,137 --> 00:50:54,834 two different anesthetists to carry out 1118 00:50:54,877 --> 00:50:57,054 an operation of that magnitude. 1119 00:50:57,532 --> 00:50:59,273 When somebody like Brad came in, 1120 00:50:59,317 --> 00:51:00,666 we didn't have to worry about whether 1121 00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:02,320 or not he could afford it. 1122 00:51:02,363 --> 00:51:04,104 He needed help, he needed a great deal of help 1123 00:51:04,148 --> 00:51:05,845 and we could just concentrate on finding 1124 00:51:05,888 --> 00:51:08,630 the best way to bring him through it. 1125 00:51:08,674 --> 00:51:10,284 [Michael Moore] I met this American, 1126 00:51:10,328 --> 00:51:13,983 he'd cut off the ends of two of his fingers with a saw. 1127 00:51:14,027 --> 00:51:15,550 So, when he arrived at the hospital, 1128 00:51:15,594 --> 00:51:19,076 they told him one finger's gonna cost around $60,000 1129 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,383 and the other one was gonna be $12,000. 1130 00:51:22,427 --> 00:51:25,169 He had to choose which finger he could afford. 1131 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,476 Down, bend the long finger down. 1132 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,304 We've never told someone 1133 00:51:30,348 --> 00:51:32,001 that they couldn't put a finger back on 1134 00:51:32,045 --> 00:51:34,482 because the system wouldn't allow it. 1135 00:51:34,526 --> 00:51:36,180 I'm very glad I work within a system 1136 00:51:36,223 --> 00:51:39,618 that allows me the freedom to look after people 1137 00:51:39,661 --> 00:51:42,577 and not have to make choices like that. 1138 00:51:42,621 --> 00:51:44,188 [Michael Moore] It seems nothig we were told 1139 00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:46,407 about the Canadian system was true. 1140 00:51:46,451 --> 00:51:48,670 Maybe I was just in the wrong part of town. 1141 00:51:48,714 --> 00:51:50,150 So, I went across the city 1142 00:51:50,194 --> 00:51:52,587 to a crowded hospital waiting room. 1143 00:51:52,631 --> 00:51:55,721 How long did you have to wait here to get help? 1144 00:51:55,764 --> 00:51:56,722 - 20 minutes. - 20 minutes. 1145 00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:57,897 45 minutes. 1146 00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:00,160 I got helped right away. 1147 00:52:00,204 --> 00:52:01,205 You can see how crowded this is. 1148 00:52:01,248 --> 00:52:03,032 They really do an amazing job. 1149 00:52:03,903 --> 00:52:05,905 [Michael Moore] Did you have to get anyone's permission 1150 00:52:05,948 --> 00:52:07,036 to come to this hospital? 1151 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,386 No. 1152 00:52:08,429 --> 00:52:09,256 - No. - No. 1153 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:10,779 We can go anywhere we want. 1154 00:52:10,823 --> 00:52:12,781 [Michael Moore] You don't have to get it pre-approved 1155 00:52:13,652 --> 00:52:14,696 by your insurance company? 1156 00:52:14,740 --> 00:52:15,958 Oh, heavens, no. 1157 00:52:17,308 --> 00:52:19,136 [Michael Moore] Can you choose your own doctor? 1158 00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:20,441 Oh, yes. 1159 00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:20,963 [Michael Moore] What's your deductible? 1160 00:52:21,007 --> 00:52:22,313 Nothing. 1161 00:52:22,356 --> 00:52:23,966 I don't think we have any. 1162 00:52:24,010 --> 00:52:25,490 I don't know. 1163 00:52:25,533 --> 00:52:27,187 I don't think there's any as far as I know. 1164 00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:28,449 [Michael Moore] So, what did this cost? 1165 00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:29,929 Nothing. 1166 00:52:29,972 --> 00:52:31,887 We know in America people pay for their healthcare, 1167 00:52:31,931 --> 00:52:35,282 but I guess we don't understand that concept, 1168 00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:36,762 'cause we don't have to deal with that. 1169 00:52:36,805 --> 00:52:38,329 And we're dealing with Parkinson's, 1170 00:52:38,372 --> 00:52:40,374 stroke, heart attack. 1171 00:52:40,418 --> 00:52:43,290 We're very, very lucky, really we are. 1172 00:52:43,334 --> 00:52:45,901 We complain, people complain about everything. 1173 00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:47,207 Right. 1174 00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:48,556 [Michael Moore] Right, you're Canadian. 1175 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,168 But on the whole,it's really a fabulous system 1176 00:52:51,211 --> 00:52:53,648 for making sure that the least of us 1177 00:52:53,692 --> 00:52:56,042 and the best of us are taken care of. 1178 00:52:56,085 --> 00:52:57,348 [bright music] 1179 00:52:57,391 --> 00:52:58,436 [Michael Moore] It turns out that Canadians 1180 00:52:58,479 --> 00:53:01,221 live three years longer than we do. 1181 00:53:01,265 --> 00:53:02,266 [dramatic music] 1182 00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:04,224 That's not hard to believe 1183 00:53:04,268 --> 00:53:06,705 when you meet fellow Americans like Erik. 1184 00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:12,493 ♪ Oh, England, here we go 1185 00:53:12,537 --> 00:53:14,974 [dramatic music] 1186 00:53:15,017 --> 00:53:17,498 [Michael Moore] Erik Turnbow of Olympia, Washington 1187 00:53:17,542 --> 00:53:19,239 saved up his whole life 1188 00:53:19,283 --> 00:53:20,762 so that he could visit the famd 1189 00:53:20,806 --> 00:53:23,461 Abbey Road crosswalk in London. 1190 00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:24,940 [dramatic music] 1191 00:53:24,984 --> 00:53:26,464 But it wasn't enough for Erik to just walk across 1192 00:53:26,507 --> 00:53:28,161 the road like The Beatles did. 1193 00:53:29,118 --> 00:53:31,773 He had to do it his own special way. 1194 00:53:32,992 --> 00:53:34,472 [Erik's Friend] Here's Erik, about to walk 1195 00:53:34,515 --> 00:53:36,082 on his hands across Abbey Road. 1196 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,347 Ready? 1197 00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:46,701 Try it again. 1198 00:53:55,884 --> 00:53:57,277 - Are you in pain? - Yeah. 1199 00:54:01,499 --> 00:54:02,717 [Michael Moore] The British hospital 1200 00:54:02,761 --> 00:54:04,937 didn't charge Erik anything for his stay. 1201 00:54:07,244 --> 00:54:09,071 And only about ten bucks 1202 00:54:09,115 --> 00:54:11,335 for all the way-cool drugs they gave him. 1203 00:54:12,553 --> 00:54:13,989 [Erik's Friend] You're all slung up. 1204 00:54:15,687 --> 00:54:16,818 I'm gonna be OK. 1205 00:54:16,862 --> 00:54:19,952 [bright music] 1206 00:54:19,995 --> 00:54:22,389 [Michael Moore] I decided to go to Great Britain 1207 00:54:22,433 --> 00:54:25,479 to find out how a hospital stay could be free 1208 00:54:25,523 --> 00:54:28,482 and drugs could cost only $10. 1209 00:54:28,526 --> 00:54:31,659 [bright music] 1210 00:54:31,703 --> 00:54:32,878 If I come in here and I have a prescription 1211 00:54:32,921 --> 00:54:36,403 and it requires 30 pills, how much is that? 1212 00:54:36,447 --> 00:54:39,101 It's £6.65, that's the standard charge. 1213 00:54:39,145 --> 00:54:40,189 £6.65? 1214 00:54:40,233 --> 00:54:41,843 So, that's what? 1215 00:54:41,887 --> 00:54:43,062 $10 or so? 1216 00:54:43,105 --> 00:54:44,324 Yes. 1217 00:54:44,368 --> 00:54:45,934 What if I needed 60 pills, how much is it? 1218 00:54:45,978 --> 00:54:47,371 Same charge. 1219 00:54:47,414 --> 00:54:48,328 120 pills? 1220 00:54:48,372 --> 00:54:49,634 £6.65 still. 1221 00:54:49,677 --> 00:54:50,809 It doesn't matter how many pills? 1222 00:54:50,852 --> 00:54:52,071 No. 1223 00:54:52,114 --> 00:54:54,203 What if it's an HIV drug or a cancer drug? 1224 00:54:54,247 --> 00:54:56,205 It's still £6.65. 1225 00:54:56,249 --> 00:55:00,340 If they are under 16 or over 60, 1226 00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:01,820 they're automatically exempt. 1227 00:55:01,863 --> 00:55:03,778 So, only a working adult 1228 00:55:03,822 --> 00:55:06,781 who earns enough money pays the £6.65? 1229 00:55:06,825 --> 00:55:09,262 And everybody else gets the medication for free? 1230 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:10,176 That's right. 1231 00:55:10,219 --> 00:55:11,830 No money being exchanged here? 1232 00:55:11,873 --> 00:55:12,787 No, nothing. 1233 00:55:12,831 --> 00:55:13,658 There's no money being exchanged? 1234 00:55:13,701 --> 00:55:16,051 I'm over 60, we don't pay. 1235 00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:17,488 What's the purpose of the cash register? 1236 00:55:19,968 --> 00:55:22,536 I'm just wondering where's the bread 1237 00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:24,625 and the milk and the candy in here? 1238 00:55:25,757 --> 00:55:28,673 I can't pick up any laundry detergent here? 1239 00:55:28,716 --> 00:55:31,066 No, I haven't been trained for that many years 1240 00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:33,112 to be selling detergents, so no. 1241 00:55:34,113 --> 00:55:36,681 [bright music] 1242 00:55:45,298 --> 00:55:48,432 [Michael Moore] I next went to a state-run hospital, 1243 00:55:48,475 --> 00:55:51,043 operated by the National Health Service. 1244 00:55:52,566 --> 00:55:54,046 [Holly] I'm due in seven weeks 1245 00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:56,962 and I get six months off, paid. 1246 00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:59,399 And then I can have six months off unpaid as well, 1247 00:55:59,443 --> 00:56:00,966 so I'm actually taking a year. 1248 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,448 [Michael Moore] Well, that sounds like a luxury where I'm from. 1249 00:56:04,491 --> 00:56:07,276 Oh, really, it's not like that in the US? 1250 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,366 No, not at all, no? 1251 00:56:10,454 --> 00:56:12,804 [Michael Moore] So, what do you pay for a stay here? 1252 00:56:12,847 --> 00:56:14,632 No one pays. 1253 00:56:14,675 --> 00:56:16,416 [laughs] 1254 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,853 They were asking how do people pay 1255 00:56:18,897 --> 00:56:20,725 and I said, "Well, there isn't, 1256 00:56:20,768 --> 00:56:23,031 - You don't, you just leave." - It's national insurance. 1257 00:56:23,075 --> 00:56:25,817 There's no bill at the end of it, as it were. 1258 00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:28,210 [dramatic music] 1259 00:56:28,254 --> 00:56:30,430 [Michael Moore] Even with insurance there's bound 1260 00:56:30,474 --> 00:56:32,476 to be a bill somewhere. 1261 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:34,565 So, where's the billing department? 1262 00:56:34,608 --> 00:56:35,870 [Holly] There isn't a billing department. 1263 00:56:35,914 --> 00:56:38,307 No, there's no such thing as billing... 1264 00:56:38,351 --> 00:56:40,919 [Michael Moore] What did they charge for that baby? 1265 00:56:40,962 --> 00:56:42,007 Sorry? 1266 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:43,182 You gotta pay before you can get out? 1267 00:56:43,225 --> 00:56:44,749 - No. - No, no, 1268 00:56:44,792 --> 00:56:46,751 - everything is on NHS. - This is NHS. 1269 00:56:48,448 --> 00:56:50,363 - No, you don't. - It's not America. 1270 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:51,712 [both laughing] 1271 00:56:51,756 --> 00:56:53,061 [bright music] 1272 00:56:53,105 --> 00:56:53,975 [Michael Moore] Maybe I'd have better luck 1273 00:56:54,019 --> 00:56:55,281 in the part of the hospital 1274 00:56:55,324 --> 00:56:57,544 where things can get seriously expensive. 1275 00:56:57,588 --> 00:56:58,458 [bright music] 1276 00:56:58,502 --> 00:57:00,460 This guy broke his ankle. 1277 00:57:00,504 --> 00:57:01,896 How much will this cost him? 1278 00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:03,245 [X-Ray Tech.] Sorry? 1279 00:57:03,289 --> 00:57:04,899 [Michael Moore] The emergency room visit. 1280 00:57:04,943 --> 00:57:08,076 He'll have some huge bill when he's done, right? 1281 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,688 [X-Rat Tech.] Here, NHS, everything is free. 1282 00:57:10,731 --> 00:57:12,864 I'm asking about hospital charges 1283 00:57:12,907 --> 00:57:14,082 and you're laughing at me. 1284 00:57:14,126 --> 00:57:15,257 Because I was never asked this question 1285 00:57:15,301 --> 00:57:17,608 in the emergency department, that's why. 1286 00:57:17,651 --> 00:57:19,914 [dramatic music] 1287 00:57:19,958 --> 00:57:20,828 I was starting to fall 1288 00:57:20,872 --> 00:57:22,874 for this everything is free bit 1289 00:57:22,917 --> 00:57:24,832 and then I discovered this. 1290 00:57:26,573 --> 00:57:28,401 So, this is where people come to pay their bill 1291 00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:30,142 when they're done staying in the hospital? 1292 00:57:30,185 --> 00:57:32,013 [Cashier] No, this is the NHS hospital, 1293 00:57:32,057 --> 00:57:33,406 so you don't pay the bill. 1294 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:35,103 You get to just go home? 1295 00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:37,932 Why does it say cashier here 1296 00:57:37,976 --> 00:57:39,673 if people don't have to pay a bill? 1297 00:57:39,717 --> 00:57:41,240 [bright music] 1298 00:57:41,283 --> 00:57:42,328 [Holly] What we have is a litte man 1299 00:57:42,371 --> 00:57:43,808 who stands behind a counter 1300 00:57:43,851 --> 00:57:45,374 and he gives people money 1301 00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:48,247 if they've had to pay for transport. 1302 00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:49,988 [Hospital Employee] Those who have reduced means 1303 00:57:50,031 --> 00:57:52,338 get their travel expenses reimbursed. 1304 00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:53,513 Thank you. 1305 00:57:53,557 --> 00:57:55,210 [Michael Moore] So, in British hospitals, 1306 00:57:55,254 --> 00:57:58,431 instead of money going into the cashier's window, 1307 00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:00,085 money comes out. 1308 00:58:00,128 --> 00:58:01,216 The criteria for letting you out 1309 00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:02,479 of the hospital are not... 1310 00:58:02,522 --> 00:58:04,176 If you've paid your bill, the criteria are, 1311 00:58:04,219 --> 00:58:07,048 are you fit to go and are you going somewhere safe? 1312 00:58:07,092 --> 00:58:10,008 [Moore V.O.] ] Clearly, I was just the butt of a joke here. 1313 00:58:10,051 --> 00:58:12,140 [laughs] 1314 00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:14,969 [dramatic music] 1315 00:58:15,013 --> 00:58:18,059 What I needed was a good old-fashioned American 1316 00:58:18,103 --> 00:58:20,714 who would have some understanding. 1317 00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:24,326 [American Mom] When I first came to London in 1992. 1318 00:58:24,370 --> 00:58:25,676 And we just ended up staying 1319 00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:29,070 and we had three children here. 1320 00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,637 Well, I had them all on the NHS, 1321 00:58:30,681 --> 00:58:32,813 which is the British National Health Service. 1322 00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:36,077 I think like a lot of Americans, 1323 00:58:36,121 --> 00:58:37,862 assumed that a socialized medicine 1324 00:58:37,905 --> 00:58:41,256 was just bottom of the rung treatment, 1325 00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:43,563 that's the only possible way would be dingy and horrible 1326 00:58:43,607 --> 00:58:45,043 and it would be like the Soviet Union. 1327 00:58:45,086 --> 00:58:46,218 That's kind of how... 1328 00:58:47,306 --> 00:58:49,569 And it's terrible that that's what I thought. 1329 00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:51,615 [Michael Moore] That's what I thought too. 1330 00:58:51,658 --> 00:58:53,007 After having a baby, 1331 00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:55,140 it's right back to the wheat fields. 1332 00:58:55,183 --> 00:58:58,970 [singing in foreign language] 1333 00:59:20,469 --> 00:59:22,994 And then it occurred to me that back home in America, 1334 00:59:23,037 --> 00:59:25,039 we've socialized a lot of things. 1335 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,870 [singing in foreign language] 1336 00:59:50,935 --> 00:59:52,676 I kind of like having a police department 1337 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:56,505 and fire department and the library. 1338 00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:58,246 And I got to wondering, 1339 00:59:58,290 --> 01:00:02,381 why don't we have more of these free socialized things, 1340 01:00:02,424 --> 01:00:03,991 like healthcare? 1341 01:00:04,035 --> 01:00:07,038 When did this whole idea that every British citizen 1342 01:00:07,081 --> 01:00:08,779 should have a right to healthcare? 1343 01:00:08,822 --> 01:00:12,217 [Tony Benn] Well, if you go back, it all began with democracy. 1344 01:00:12,260 --> 01:00:13,827 Before we had the vote, 1345 01:00:14,785 --> 01:00:17,178 all the power was in the hands of rich people. 1346 01:00:17,222 --> 01:00:19,790 If you had money, you could get healthcare, education, 1347 01:00:19,833 --> 01:00:21,661 look after yourself when you were old. 1348 01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:26,710 And what democracy did was to give the poor the vote. 1349 01:00:26,971 --> 01:00:29,713 And it moved power from the marketplace 1350 01:00:29,756 --> 01:00:31,062 to the polling station, 1351 01:00:31,105 --> 01:00:34,108 from the wallet to the ballot. 1352 01:00:34,152 --> 01:00:35,806 And what people said was very simple. 1353 01:00:35,849 --> 01:00:40,201 They said, "In the 1930s, we had mass unemployment. 1354 01:00:40,245 --> 01:00:42,682 But we don't have unemployment during the war. 1355 01:00:42,726 --> 01:00:44,858 If you can have full employment by killing Germans, 1356 01:00:44,902 --> 01:00:46,164 why can't we have full employment 1357 01:00:46,207 --> 01:00:47,774 by building hospitals, building schools, 1358 01:00:47,818 --> 01:00:49,863 recruiting nurses, recruiting teachers?" 1359 01:00:49,907 --> 01:00:52,997 If you can find money to kill people, 1360 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,260 you can find money to help people. 1361 01:00:55,303 --> 01:00:56,565 Right. 1362 01:00:56,609 --> 01:00:58,393 This leaflet that was issued, 1363 01:00:58,437 --> 01:01:00,004 very, very straightforward. 1364 01:01:00,047 --> 01:01:02,702 - What year was this? - This was 1948. 1365 01:01:02,746 --> 01:01:04,530 "Your new National Health Service 1366 01:01:04,573 --> 01:01:05,879 begins on the 5th of July." 1367 01:01:05,923 --> 01:01:06,880 What is it? 1368 01:01:06,924 --> 01:01:08,055 How do you get it? 1369 01:01:08,099 --> 01:01:10,841 "It will provide you with all medical, 1370 01:01:10,884 --> 01:01:13,017 dental and nursing care. 1371 01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:16,020 Everyone, rich or poor, man, woman or child, 1372 01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:17,761 can use it or any part of it. 1373 01:01:17,804 --> 01:01:19,414 There are no charges, 1374 01:01:19,458 --> 01:01:21,416 except for a few special items. 1375 01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:23,680 There is no insurance qualifications, 1376 01:01:23,723 --> 01:01:25,507 but it is not a charity. 1377 01:01:25,551 --> 01:01:28,293 You are paying for it mainly as taxpayers 1378 01:01:28,336 --> 01:01:30,861 and it will relieve your money worries 1379 01:01:30,904 --> 01:01:32,601 in times of illness." 1380 01:01:32,645 --> 01:01:36,649 Now, somehow, the few words sum the whole thing up. 1381 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:39,260 [bright music] 1382 01:01:42,394 --> 01:01:43,874 [Michael Moore] I was amazed when he said 1383 01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:46,572 this all started in 1948. 1384 01:01:47,791 --> 01:01:49,923 The British had just come out of a devastating 1385 01:01:49,967 --> 01:01:51,795 experience through World War II. 1386 01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:56,364 The country was destroyed and nearly bankrupt. 1387 01:01:56,408 --> 01:01:58,802 They had nothing. 1388 01:01:58,845 --> 01:02:01,500 In just one eight-month period, 1389 01:02:01,543 --> 01:02:04,982 over 42,000 civilians lost their lives. 1390 01:02:06,157 --> 01:02:09,377 What we went through in two hours on 911, 1391 01:02:09,421 --> 01:02:12,206 they went through nearly every single day. 1392 01:02:14,252 --> 01:02:16,907 Remember how we all felt after 911? 1393 01:02:17,777 --> 01:02:20,214 All of us pulling together? 1394 01:02:20,258 --> 01:02:21,955 I guess that's how they felt. 1395 01:02:23,696 --> 01:02:25,393 And the first way that they decided 1396 01:02:25,437 --> 01:02:27,526 to pull together after the war 1397 01:02:27,569 --> 01:02:31,182 was to provide free medical care for everyone. 1398 01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:34,228 [Tony Benn] Even Mrs. Thatcher said, 1399 01:02:34,272 --> 01:02:37,754 "The National Health Service is safe in our hands." 1400 01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:40,539 It's as non-controversial as votes for women. 1401 01:02:40,582 --> 01:02:41,670 Nobody could come along and sa, 1402 01:02:41,714 --> 01:02:42,889 "Why should women have the vote?" 1403 01:02:42,933 --> 01:02:44,761 Now because people wouldn't have it 1404 01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:46,023 and they wouldn't in Britain. 1405 01:02:46,066 --> 01:02:48,939 They wouldn't accept the deterioration 1406 01:02:48,982 --> 01:02:50,723 or destruction of the National Health Service. 1407 01:02:50,767 --> 01:02:52,290 [Michael Moore] If Thatcher or Blair said, 1408 01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:54,466 "I'm going to dismantle national healthcare..." 1409 01:02:54,509 --> 01:02:56,207 There would have been a revolution. 1410 01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:58,731 [bright music] 1411 01:02:58,775 --> 01:03:02,953 ♪ Everywhere I hear the sound of marching, ♪ 1412 01:03:02,996 --> 01:03:05,520 ♪ Charging feet, boy 1413 01:03:05,564 --> 01:03:08,088 [Charles Sabine] A report from the American Medical Associatin 1414 01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:10,830 into the health of 55 to 64 year-olds, 1415 01:03:10,874 --> 01:03:13,833 says Brits are far healthier than Americans. 1416 01:03:13,877 --> 01:03:16,444 [Sir Michael Marmot] For every illness that we looked at, 1417 01:03:16,488 --> 01:03:18,795 Americans had more of it than English. 1418 01:03:18,838 --> 01:03:21,145 [Charles Sabine] Cancer, heart disease, hypertension, 1419 01:03:21,188 --> 01:03:22,537 strokes, lung disease, 1420 01:03:22,581 --> 01:03:25,236 all significantly higher for Americans. 1421 01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:27,151 Even the poorest people in England 1422 01:03:27,194 --> 01:03:28,892 with all the environmental factors 1423 01:03:28,935 --> 01:03:31,459 that give them the worst health in the country 1424 01:03:31,503 --> 01:03:33,287 can expect to live longer 1425 01:03:33,331 --> 01:03:35,724 than the wealthiest people in America. 1426 01:03:35,768 --> 01:03:37,291 ♪ Hey, think the time is right 1427 01:03:37,335 --> 01:03:40,817 ♪ For a palace revolution 1428 01:03:43,907 --> 01:03:45,343 [Michael Moore] I was wondering, though, 1429 01:03:45,386 --> 01:03:47,954 what's it like for the doctors here in Britain 1430 01:03:47,998 --> 01:03:51,523 who have to live under this kind of state control? 1431 01:03:51,566 --> 01:03:53,307 And you're a family doctor? 1432 01:03:53,351 --> 01:03:54,874 [Dr. Tariq Hussain] Yeah, I suppose we'd call them GPs 1433 01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:56,702 or general practitioners here. 1434 01:03:56,745 --> 01:03:58,704 Right, so you have a family practice? 1435 01:03:58,747 --> 01:04:00,097 Yeah, it's an NHS practice. 1436 01:04:00,140 --> 01:04:02,273 We have nine doctors within that practice. 1437 01:04:02,316 --> 01:04:03,448 You're paid for by the government? 1438 01:04:03,491 --> 01:04:04,579 Paid for by the government. 1439 01:04:04,623 --> 01:04:05,580 So, you work 1440 01:04:05,624 --> 01:04:06,581 for the government? Oh, yeah. 1441 01:04:06,625 --> 01:04:07,669 You're a government-paid doctor. 1442 01:04:07,713 --> 01:04:08,932 Absolutely. A patient comes to you, 1443 01:04:08,975 --> 01:04:10,759 before you treat them, do you have to call 1444 01:04:10,803 --> 01:04:13,588 the government insurance company before you treat them? 1445 01:04:13,632 --> 01:04:15,373 No, I don't deal with money at all 1446 01:04:15,416 --> 01:04:17,418 on an everyday basis. 1447 01:04:17,462 --> 01:04:18,985 Have you ever had to say no 1448 01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:20,682 to someone who was sick and needed help? 1449 01:04:20,726 --> 01:04:22,162 No, never. 1450 01:04:22,206 --> 01:04:25,296 Have you heard of anyone being in the hospital 1451 01:04:25,339 --> 01:04:26,819 and being removed 1452 01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:27,907 because they couldn't pay their bill? 1453 01:04:27,951 --> 01:04:29,126 No, never. 1454 01:04:29,169 --> 01:04:30,605 And I wouldn't wanna work in that system. 1455 01:04:30,649 --> 01:04:31,868 So, working for the government, 1456 01:04:31,911 --> 01:04:33,652 you probably have to use public transport? 1457 01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:36,785 No, I have a car that I use 1458 01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:39,179 and I drive to work. - An old beater? 1459 01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:41,965 [dramatic music] 1460 01:04:45,838 --> 01:04:47,753 You live in kinda a rough part of town? 1461 01:04:48,972 --> 01:04:50,712 I live in a terrific part of town. 1462 01:04:50,756 --> 01:04:51,888 It's called Greenwich. 1463 01:04:53,193 --> 01:04:56,022 [bright music] 1464 01:04:56,066 --> 01:04:56,893 It's a lovely house. 1465 01:04:56,936 --> 01:04:58,416 It's a three-story house. 1466 01:04:58,459 --> 01:05:00,809 How many other families have to live with you? 1467 01:05:00,853 --> 01:05:02,333 There's four bedrooms. 1468 01:05:02,376 --> 01:05:04,117 My wife and my son. 1469 01:05:04,161 --> 01:05:06,293 It's just the three of us ther. 1470 01:05:06,337 --> 01:05:08,295 How much did you pay for that? 1471 01:05:08,339 --> 01:05:10,210 £550,000. 1472 01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:13,344 So, a million dollars? 1473 01:05:13,387 --> 01:05:14,301 Yeah. 1474 01:05:14,345 --> 01:05:15,737 You're a government-paid doctor 1475 01:05:15,781 --> 01:05:17,957 on a national health insurance healthcare plan here 1476 01:05:18,958 --> 01:05:20,873 and you live in a million-dollar home? 1477 01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:22,309 Yes. 1478 01:05:22,353 --> 01:05:24,921 [bright music] 1479 01:05:25,965 --> 01:05:28,098 I think probably my friends think we do quite well. 1480 01:05:28,141 --> 01:05:29,664 Really, how well do you do? 1481 01:05:30,622 --> 01:05:32,841 I earn around 85,000, including pension. 1482 01:05:32,885 --> 01:05:35,409 - £85,000? - £85,000 a year. 1483 01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:36,584 And that includes pension 1484 01:05:36,628 --> 01:05:38,369 that they would pay in to me. 1485 01:05:38,412 --> 01:05:41,459 They probably earn just over £100,000 within my practice. 1486 01:05:41,502 --> 01:05:44,418 £100,000, so that's almost $200,000? 1487 01:05:44,462 --> 01:05:45,985 Yes, absolutely. 1488 01:05:46,029 --> 01:05:47,073 The money that we earn, 1489 01:05:47,117 --> 01:05:48,596 we get paid by what we do. 1490 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,337 So, the better we do for our patients, 1491 01:05:50,381 --> 01:05:52,557 then the more we get paid. 1492 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:53,906 What do you mean? 1493 01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:55,777 There's a new system. 1494 01:05:55,821 --> 01:05:58,519 And in that new system, if the most number 1495 01:05:58,563 --> 01:06:00,347 of your patients have low blood pressures 1496 01:06:00,391 --> 01:06:02,828 or you get most of your patients to stop smoking 1497 01:06:02,871 --> 01:06:04,699 or you get your patients to have things 1498 01:06:04,743 --> 01:06:06,527 like mental health reviews if they're unwell 1499 01:06:06,571 --> 01:06:08,834 or low cholesterol's, then you get paid more. 1500 01:06:09,835 --> 01:06:11,402 This year, if you get more people 1501 01:06:11,445 --> 01:06:13,317 that are your patients to stop smoking, 1502 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,014 you'll get more money, 1503 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:15,884 you'll earn more? 1504 01:06:15,928 --> 01:06:17,321 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 1505 01:06:17,364 --> 01:06:19,497 So, doctors in America do not necessarily have 1506 01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:23,936 to fear having a universal healthcare? 1507 01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:26,634 No, I think if you want to have 1508 01:06:26,678 --> 01:06:28,288 two or three million dollar homes 1509 01:06:28,332 --> 01:06:30,160 and four or five nice cars 1510 01:06:30,203 --> 01:06:32,249 and six or seven nice televisions, 1511 01:06:32,292 --> 01:06:34,686 then maybe, yeah, you need to practice somewhere 1512 01:06:34,729 --> 01:06:36,122 where you can earn that. 1513 01:06:36,166 --> 01:06:38,342 But I think we live comfortably here. 1514 01:06:38,385 --> 01:06:39,560 London is an expensive city, 1515 01:06:39,604 --> 01:06:41,432 but I think we live very comfortably. 1516 01:06:41,475 --> 01:06:43,434 And you're getting by okay on the million-dollar home, 1517 01:06:43,477 --> 01:06:45,784 the Audi and the flat-screen TV? 1518 01:06:45,827 --> 01:06:47,394 Yeah, we're coping with those. 1519 01:06:49,657 --> 01:06:51,833 [Tony Benn] I think democracy is the most revolutionary thing 1520 01:06:51,877 --> 01:06:53,096 in the world. 1521 01:06:53,139 --> 01:06:54,880 Far more revolutionary than socialist ideas 1522 01:06:54,923 --> 01:06:56,142 or anybody else's idea. 1523 01:06:56,186 --> 01:06:58,318 Because if you have power, 1524 01:06:58,362 --> 01:07:01,887 you use it to meet the needs of you and your community. 1525 01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:05,717 And this idea of choice which capital talks about, 1526 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:06,935 "You've got to have a choice." 1527 01:07:06,979 --> 01:07:08,807 Choice depends on the freedom to choose. 1528 01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:10,113 And if you're shackled with debt, 1529 01:07:10,156 --> 01:07:11,810 you don't have a freedom to choose. 1530 01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:13,812 It seems that it benefits the system 1531 01:07:13,855 --> 01:07:16,554 if the average person is shackled with debt. 1532 01:07:16,597 --> 01:07:18,817 People in debt become hopeless 1533 01:07:18,860 --> 01:07:20,949 and hopeless people don't vote. 1534 01:07:20,993 --> 01:07:22,777 They will say, everyone should vote, 1535 01:07:22,821 --> 01:07:25,650 but I think if the poor in Britain 1536 01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:27,565 or the United States turned out 1537 01:07:27,608 --> 01:07:29,915 and voted for people who represented their interests, 1538 01:07:29,958 --> 01:07:32,657 it would be a real democratic revolution. 1539 01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:33,962 So, they don't want it to happen. 1540 01:07:34,006 --> 01:07:36,095 So, keeping people hopeless and pessimistic. 1541 01:07:37,009 --> 01:07:38,141 See, I think there are two ways 1542 01:07:38,184 --> 01:07:40,578 in which people are controlled. 1543 01:07:40,621 --> 01:07:42,449 First of all, frighten people 1544 01:07:42,493 --> 01:07:44,886 and secondly, demoralize them. 1545 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:47,585 An educated, healthy and confident nation 1546 01:07:47,628 --> 01:07:49,108 is harder to govern. 1547 01:07:49,152 --> 01:07:50,718 And I think there's an element 1548 01:07:50,762 --> 01:07:51,893 in the thinking of some people, 1549 01:07:51,937 --> 01:07:54,548 "We don't want people to be educated, 1550 01:07:54,592 --> 01:07:56,420 healthy and confident, 1551 01:07:56,463 --> 01:07:58,726 because they would get out of control." 1552 01:07:58,770 --> 01:08:01,425 The top 1% of the world's population 1553 01:08:01,468 --> 01:08:02,991 own 80% of the world's wealth. 1554 01:08:03,035 --> 01:08:04,645 It's incredible that people put up with it, 1555 01:08:04,689 --> 01:08:07,126 but they're poor, 1556 01:08:07,170 --> 01:08:09,563 they're demoralized, they're frightened. 1557 01:08:09,607 --> 01:08:12,088 And therefore, they think perhaps the safest thing 1558 01:08:12,131 --> 01:08:14,394 to do is to take orders and hope for the best. 1559 01:08:17,528 --> 01:08:19,660 [dramatic music] 1560 01:08:19,704 --> 01:08:21,967 [Michael Moore] And hope for te best is what we do 1561 01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:23,664 right from the moment we're born. 1562 01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:26,667 We've got the worst infant mortality rate 1563 01:08:26,711 --> 01:08:28,321 in the western world. 1564 01:08:28,365 --> 01:08:31,585 A baby born in El Salvador has a better chance of surviving 1565 01:08:31,629 --> 01:08:33,152 than a baby born in Detroit. 1566 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,329 But it gets better when we go to school. 1567 01:08:36,373 --> 01:08:37,896 [News Reporter] Classrooms with 40 students, 1568 01:08:37,939 --> 01:08:39,854 schools with no science labs. 1569 01:08:39,898 --> 01:08:41,508 [Michael Moore] No wonder the majority of our young adults 1570 01:08:41,552 --> 01:08:43,075 can't find Britain on a map. 1571 01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,556 But that's okay, there's always college 1572 01:08:45,599 --> 01:08:46,774 and by the time we graduate, 1573 01:08:46,818 --> 01:08:48,385 our ass is so in hock, 1574 01:08:48,428 --> 01:08:50,648 we're deep in debt before we even have our first job. 1575 01:08:50,691 --> 01:08:52,128 [Young Man] I'm at about... 1576 01:08:52,171 --> 01:08:54,739 We'll say about $35,000 in debt. 1577 01:08:54,782 --> 01:08:56,523 And that's for my third year in college. 1578 01:08:56,567 --> 01:08:57,872 [Michael Moore] That way, you'l be the kind of employee 1579 01:08:57,916 --> 01:08:58,786 they're looking for. 1580 01:08:58,830 --> 01:09:00,179 One who needs this job. 1581 01:09:00,223 --> 01:09:03,313 3,904, 3,905. 1582 01:09:03,356 --> 01:09:04,749 And what employer wouldn't want 1583 01:09:04,792 --> 01:09:06,446 to employ someone thousands of dollars in debt 1584 01:09:06,490 --> 01:09:08,448 because they won't cause any trouble? 1585 01:09:09,928 --> 01:09:12,104 In addition to having to pay off your college debt, 1586 01:09:12,148 --> 01:09:14,106 you need a job with health insurance. 1587 01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:17,022 It would be horrible to lose that kind of job, wouldn't it? 1588 01:09:17,065 --> 01:09:18,980 [Boss] You can always quit, you know. 1589 01:09:19,024 --> 01:09:21,853 There's no law that says you have to work here. 1590 01:09:21,896 --> 01:09:24,072 [Michael Moore] And if that one job doesn't pay all the bills, 1591 01:09:24,116 --> 01:09:26,162 don't worry, you can get another one 1592 01:09:26,205 --> 01:09:27,337 and another one 1593 01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:28,207 [bell rings] 1594 01:09:28,251 --> 01:09:29,687 and another one. 1595 01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:32,342 [Woman] I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute. 1596 01:09:32,385 --> 01:09:33,560 You work three jobs? 1597 01:09:33,604 --> 01:09:35,127 Three jobs, yes. 1598 01:09:35,171 --> 01:09:36,520 Uniquely American, isn't it? 1599 01:09:36,563 --> 01:09:39,087 That is fantastic that you're doing that. 1600 01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:40,437 [audience applauding] 1601 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:41,264 [beep] 1602 01:09:41,307 --> 01:09:42,874 Get any sleep? 1603 01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:44,528 [Moore] And if you're not sleeping, take pharmaceuticals. 1604 01:09:44,571 --> 01:09:45,746 [Commercials] You're tired all the time. 1605 01:09:45,790 --> 01:09:47,313 You may feel sad, hopeless, 1606 01:09:47,357 --> 01:09:49,359 If you suffer from excessive worry... 1607 01:09:49,402 --> 01:09:50,534 You could be suffering 1608 01:09:50,577 --> 01:09:52,144 from generalized anxiety disorder. 1609 01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:53,537 It could be adult ADD. 1610 01:09:53,580 --> 01:09:55,365 - Talk to you doctor. - Ask your doctor. 1611 01:09:55,408 --> 01:09:56,496 - Ask your doctor. - Ask your doctor. 1612 01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:57,671 Ask your doctor. 1613 01:09:57,715 --> 01:09:58,585 [Michael Moore] Yes, ask your doctor 1614 01:09:58,629 --> 01:10:00,805 and ask him for more drugs. 1615 01:10:00,848 --> 01:10:01,762 [bright music] 1616 01:10:01,806 --> 01:10:02,633 That should keep you doped up 1617 01:10:02,676 --> 01:10:03,895 until it's time to retire. 1618 01:10:03,938 --> 01:10:05,505 Did I say retire? 1619 01:10:05,549 --> 01:10:07,115 [laughs] 1620 01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:08,465 Well, if you do make it to 80, 1621 01:10:08,508 --> 01:10:09,901 I'm sure your pension will still be there. 1622 01:10:09,944 --> 01:10:11,468 Unlike the new employees for these companies, 1623 01:10:11,511 --> 01:10:13,557 who'll never see a pension. 1624 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,819 But don't worry, 1625 01:10:14,862 --> 01:10:16,212 I'm sure our kids will take care of us 1626 01:10:16,255 --> 01:10:18,910 considering the great life we've given 'em. 1627 01:10:18,953 --> 01:10:21,042 And remember, let's defeat the terrorists over there 1628 01:10:21,086 --> 01:10:22,870 so we don't have to fight them here. 1629 01:10:24,437 --> 01:10:28,267 Kaiser Permanente is the largest HMO in the country. 1630 01:10:28,311 --> 01:10:30,617 And Dawnelle Keyes was fortunate enough 1631 01:10:30,661 --> 01:10:33,011 to be fully insured by them. 1632 01:10:33,054 --> 01:10:34,491 It's a good thing, 1633 01:10:34,534 --> 01:10:37,407 because one night her 18 -month-old daughter, Mychelle, 1634 01:10:37,450 --> 01:10:40,236 developed a fever of over 104. 1635 01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:44,370 So, like any responsible mom, she called 911 1636 01:10:44,414 --> 01:10:46,154 and the ambulance took Mychelle 1637 01:10:46,198 --> 01:10:47,634 to the closest hospital. 1638 01:10:48,722 --> 01:10:50,768 The hospital checked with her HMO 1639 01:10:50,811 --> 01:10:52,160 and they were told that Kaiser 1640 01:10:52,204 --> 01:10:53,640 would not cover the tests 1641 01:10:53,684 --> 01:10:56,164 and the antibiotics necessary to treat Mychelle. 1642 01:10:57,775 --> 01:10:59,124 She would have to take her 1643 01:10:59,167 --> 01:11:02,649 to an in-network, Kaiser-owned hospital. 1644 01:11:02,693 --> 01:11:06,000 [Dawnelle] Kaiser said that I should bring her by car 1645 01:11:06,044 --> 01:11:07,654 to the hospital 1646 01:11:07,698 --> 01:11:09,569 and that she shouldn't be treated 1647 01:11:09,613 --> 01:11:11,179 at Martin Luther King. 1648 01:11:11,223 --> 01:11:14,226 And I just continued to ask them to treat her 1649 01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:15,575 and they refused. 1650 01:11:17,708 --> 01:11:21,668 My daughter got worse and she had a seizure. 1651 01:11:23,409 --> 01:11:24,976 [Michael Moore] Dawnelle begged the doctors to not listen 1652 01:11:25,019 --> 01:11:27,892 to Kaiser and to treat her daughter. 1653 01:11:27,935 --> 01:11:29,110 [dramatic music] 1654 01:11:29,154 --> 01:11:31,374 I was escorted out of the hospital 1655 01:11:31,417 --> 01:11:33,767 because they felt that I was a threat. 1656 01:11:35,856 --> 01:11:37,858 After hours of delay, 1657 01:11:37,902 --> 01:11:39,860 she was transported to Kaiser. 1658 01:11:39,904 --> 01:11:43,603 And got there just in time to go into cardiac arrest. 1659 01:11:44,822 --> 01:11:47,390 They worked on her for about 30 minutes 1660 01:11:47,433 --> 01:11:48,869 trying to revive her. 1661 01:11:49,696 --> 01:11:52,046 And the doctors came in 1662 01:11:52,090 --> 01:11:55,441 and let us know that she had expired. 1663 01:11:58,923 --> 01:12:01,795 I was in a daze, a real daze. 1664 01:12:01,839 --> 01:12:04,189 It just didn't seem real. 1665 01:12:05,538 --> 01:12:07,323 I just held her. 1666 01:12:07,366 --> 01:12:08,802 I held her and I told her 1667 01:12:08,846 --> 01:12:11,675 that Mommy tried her best to help her, 1668 01:12:11,718 --> 01:12:13,894 to make sure that she was gonna get 1669 01:12:13,938 --> 01:12:16,941 the treatment she needed to receive. 1670 01:12:18,072 --> 01:12:21,032 And that I was sorry that I wasn't able to help her. 1671 01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:29,780 [indistinct] 1672 01:12:29,823 --> 01:12:32,783 [computerized tune] 1673 01:12:36,221 --> 01:12:38,484 [Michael Moore] This is Karena and her daughter Zoe. 1674 01:12:39,485 --> 01:12:42,749 Karena is a graduate of Michigan State University 1675 01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:45,404 and a native of my hometown of Flint, Michigan. 1676 01:12:46,318 --> 01:12:47,972 Six months ago, Zoe, 1677 01:12:48,015 --> 01:12:50,148 like Dawnelle's baby Mychelle, 1678 01:12:50,191 --> 01:12:52,411 came down with a high fever. 1679 01:12:52,455 --> 01:12:54,848 [Karena] What happened is she stopped breathing 1680 01:12:54,892 --> 01:12:56,154 for a little while, turned blue 1681 01:12:56,197 --> 01:12:59,723 and passed out in my arms, which was... 1682 01:12:59,766 --> 01:13:03,335 It was the most horrible moment in my life, I think, 1683 01:13:03,379 --> 01:13:06,817 just because I thought that she was either dead or dying. 1684 01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:08,688 And I had no clue what to do. 1685 01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:12,692 At the hospital, they gave her some medicine 1686 01:13:12,736 --> 01:13:14,041 to bring the fever down 1687 01:13:14,085 --> 01:13:16,566 and examined her, took some blood. 1688 01:13:16,609 --> 01:13:18,481 What did they determine was wrong with her? 1689 01:13:18,524 --> 01:13:19,917 It was a throat infection. 1690 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,486 But we stayed at the hospital from Friday to Sunday, 1691 01:13:23,529 --> 01:13:25,531 just so they could keep an eye on her. 1692 01:13:25,575 --> 01:13:26,880 [Michael Moore] You stayed there that long? 1693 01:13:26,924 --> 01:13:30,057 Yeah, they just basically kept an eye on her. 1694 01:13:30,101 --> 01:13:31,450 And how much did all this cost you, 1695 01:13:31,494 --> 01:13:33,974 the three-plus days in the hospital? 1696 01:13:34,018 --> 01:13:35,280 Nothing. 1697 01:13:35,323 --> 01:13:36,107 Nothing? 1698 01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:37,108 Nothing. 1699 01:13:37,151 --> 01:13:37,935 Nothing at all. 1700 01:13:37,978 --> 01:13:39,415 And that's because? 1701 01:13:40,503 --> 01:13:42,243 I live in France [laughs]. 1702 01:13:42,287 --> 01:13:43,070 You live in France? 1703 01:13:43,114 --> 01:13:44,550 Yeah. 1704 01:13:44,594 --> 01:13:47,161 [bright music] 1705 01:13:47,205 --> 01:13:49,033 Ah, France. 1706 01:13:49,076 --> 01:13:50,600 They enjoy their wine. 1707 01:13:50,643 --> 01:13:53,777 Their cigarettes and their fatty foods. 1708 01:13:53,820 --> 01:13:56,997 And yet, just like the Canadians and the Brits, 1709 01:13:57,041 --> 01:13:59,304 they live much longer than we do. 1710 01:13:59,347 --> 01:14:03,264 Something about that seemed grossly unfair. 1711 01:14:03,308 --> 01:14:05,049 [bright music] 1712 01:14:05,092 --> 01:14:06,659 This is Alexi Cremieux. 1713 01:14:06,703 --> 01:14:09,619 He spent his entire adult life in the US 1714 01:14:09,662 --> 01:14:11,403 without health insurance. 1715 01:14:13,884 --> 01:14:16,321 [Alexi] I lived in America for 13 years. 1716 01:14:16,364 --> 01:14:18,062 I loved my life there. 1717 01:14:18,105 --> 01:14:20,499 But then when I discovered that I had a tumor 1718 01:14:20,543 --> 01:14:22,414 and I didn't have health insurance, 1719 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:25,243 unfortunately, I had to come back here. 1720 01:14:25,286 --> 01:14:27,550 And even though I had never paid taxes in France 1721 01:14:27,593 --> 01:14:28,464 'cause I never worked here. 1722 01:14:28,507 --> 01:14:29,813 I left when I was 18, 1723 01:14:29,856 --> 01:14:31,118 I didn't even have a Social Security number. 1724 01:14:31,162 --> 01:14:32,555 For them it was, 1725 01:14:32,598 --> 01:14:34,121 "He needs treatment, he has no income, 1726 01:14:34,165 --> 01:14:39,126 so we're gonna give him the treatment he needs." 1727 01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:40,519 Michael Moore] How are you doig now? 1728 01:14:40,563 --> 01:14:41,912 I'm healthy now, 1729 01:14:41,955 --> 01:14:44,175 but I had three months of intense chemotherapy. 1730 01:14:44,218 --> 01:14:46,482 So, after the three months, I saw my doctor 1731 01:14:46,525 --> 01:14:48,135 and he said, "You wanna go back to work?" 1732 01:14:48,179 --> 01:14:49,833 I said, "No, I don't feel like it. 1733 01:14:50,877 --> 01:14:52,009 Right now, I'm not ready." 1734 01:14:52,052 --> 01:14:53,576 He said, "Well, how much do you need?" 1735 01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:55,186 I said, "Well, I don't know." 1736 01:14:55,229 --> 01:14:56,796 He said, "Would three months be okay?" 1737 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,538 I said, "I think three months would be fine." 1738 01:14:59,582 --> 01:15:01,540 He said, "OK, so take three months off." 1739 01:15:01,584 --> 01:15:05,588 So, he wrote me a note that I gave to my employer 1740 01:15:05,631 --> 01:15:07,198 so to make sure that I got paid. 1741 01:15:07,241 --> 01:15:08,416 [bright music] 1742 01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:10,375 So, I went to the south of France... 1743 01:15:10,418 --> 01:15:12,595 [Michael Moore]Wait a minute, you get three months off with pay? 1744 01:15:12,638 --> 01:15:14,771 Yes, yes. 1745 01:15:14,814 --> 01:15:19,819 I get 65% paid by the government 1746 01:15:19,863 --> 01:15:23,562 and then the other 35% is paid by my employer, 1747 01:15:23,606 --> 01:15:26,870 so to make sure you get 100%. 1748 01:15:26,913 --> 01:15:28,045 [bright music] 1749 01:15:28,088 --> 01:15:29,437 So, it was April, it was spring again. 1750 01:15:29,481 --> 01:15:32,658 So, I started right away, sucking up some sun. 1751 01:15:32,702 --> 01:15:34,921 And that really helped me a lot, 1752 01:15:36,619 --> 01:15:37,837 to recharge my batteries. 1753 01:15:39,012 --> 01:15:40,231 It was like night and day. 1754 01:15:40,274 --> 01:15:43,147 In three months, I went from a 95-year-old man 1755 01:15:43,190 --> 01:15:46,367 to a 35-year-old man again. 1756 01:15:46,411 --> 01:15:48,587 But that's because I had that time 1757 01:15:48,631 --> 01:15:50,023 to take care of myself. 1758 01:15:50,067 --> 01:15:52,635 [bright music] 1759 01:15:55,812 --> 01:15:57,204 [Dr. Jacques Milliez] I'm not really in a position 1760 01:15:57,248 --> 01:16:01,992 to make any judgment concerning the American system. 1761 01:16:02,035 --> 01:16:05,604 I think the United States is a great, great country. 1762 01:16:05,648 --> 01:16:07,388 Americans are great people. 1763 01:16:07,432 --> 01:16:08,651 I really love them. 1764 01:16:08,694 --> 01:16:13,394 But as a doctor first, as a citizen second 1765 01:16:13,699 --> 01:16:16,267 and eventually, as a patient third, 1766 01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:18,486 I'm very glad to be in France. 1767 01:16:19,487 --> 01:16:21,533 It's kind of a luxury here. 1768 01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:24,449 You are sick, you step in a hospital, 1769 01:16:24,492 --> 01:16:25,711 you get the care you need. 1770 01:16:25,755 --> 01:16:27,713 It doesn't depend on your premiums. 1771 01:16:27,757 --> 01:16:29,672 It depends on what you need. 1772 01:16:29,715 --> 01:16:32,152 One of the principles is solidarity. 1773 01:16:32,196 --> 01:16:35,068 People who are better off pay 1774 01:16:35,112 --> 01:16:36,592 for those who are worse off. 1775 01:16:37,505 --> 01:16:39,246 You pay according to your means 1776 01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:41,248 and you receive according to your needs. 1777 01:16:41,292 --> 01:16:43,468 [Michael Moore] Do you think that will ever work in America? 1778 01:16:44,861 --> 01:16:45,688 No. 1779 01:16:47,167 --> 01:16:48,386 He could barely contain 1780 01:16:48,429 --> 01:16:50,954 his seething anti-Americanism. 1781 01:16:50,997 --> 01:16:54,087 And I just didn't wanna listen to any more of it. 1782 01:16:54,131 --> 01:16:57,308 [indistinct chatter] 1783 01:16:59,397 --> 01:17:03,314 [ Moore V.O.] So, I found a group of Americans currently living in Paris 1784 01:17:03,357 --> 01:17:05,577 who I know would tell me the truth. 1785 01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:06,839 [indistinct chatter] 1786 01:17:06,883 --> 01:17:08,667 [Male Expat] I was diagnosed five years ago 1787 01:17:08,711 --> 01:17:10,234 with Type I diabetes. 1788 01:17:10,277 --> 01:17:13,063 I was a bit nervous to tell them I had... 1789 01:17:13,106 --> 01:17:14,673 - There's a place we have... - To tell the French? 1790 01:17:14,717 --> 01:17:15,805 To tell the French. 1791 01:17:15,848 --> 01:17:17,067 There's a place we have to check off 1792 01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:18,372 whether or not you have a chronic condition. 1793 01:17:18,416 --> 01:17:19,678 I was nervous that they were going 1794 01:17:19,722 --> 01:17:21,288 to charge me more or something. 1795 01:17:21,332 --> 01:17:23,595 And instead, I went into a hospital 1796 01:17:23,639 --> 01:17:25,379 and had round-the-clock care. 1797 01:17:25,423 --> 01:17:28,861 And they do an amazing amount preventative care as well. 1798 01:17:28,905 --> 01:17:30,167 So, they asked if you have 1799 01:17:30,210 --> 01:17:32,865 a preexisting condition not to punish you, 1800 01:17:32,909 --> 01:17:34,650 but to give you more help? 1801 01:17:34,693 --> 01:17:36,042 Yes. 1802 01:17:36,086 --> 01:17:37,174 [Male Expat #2] I was in the hospital for a year. 1803 01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:39,916 And as soon as I was in, it was, 1804 01:17:39,959 --> 01:17:43,049 "Well, don't worry, just rest." 1805 01:17:43,093 --> 01:17:44,660 People said "Rest." 1806 01:17:44,703 --> 01:17:45,704 How many sick days do you get a year? 1807 01:17:45,748 --> 01:17:46,923 Three, four? 1808 01:17:46,966 --> 01:17:48,098 [Pam] I think it's unlimited. 1809 01:17:48,141 --> 01:17:49,708 - Yeah, you're sick. - Unlimited? 1810 01:17:49,752 --> 01:17:52,624 Yes, how can you limit sick days? 1811 01:17:52,668 --> 01:17:54,234 If you're sick, you're sick. 1812 01:17:54,278 --> 01:17:57,194 [Female Expat] I've gone to emergency rooms numerous times 1813 01:17:57,237 --> 01:17:58,586 with four boys. 1814 01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:00,719 And have never waited more than an hour, never. 1815 01:18:00,763 --> 01:18:01,807 I can call and have somebody comes 1816 01:18:01,851 --> 01:18:03,679 to the house within half an hour. 1817 01:18:03,722 --> 01:18:05,158 No way? 1818 01:18:05,202 --> 01:18:06,333 Making a house call? 1819 01:18:06,377 --> 01:18:07,160 At your place? 1820 01:18:07,204 --> 01:18:08,074 How many of you have had 1821 01:18:08,118 --> 01:18:09,467 a house call from a doctor? 1822 01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:11,034 No! 1823 01:18:11,077 --> 01:18:11,948 Last 3:00am last Friday. 1824 01:18:11,991 --> 01:18:13,166 And how much does this cost you? 1825 01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:14,124 - Nothing. - It's reimbursed. 1826 01:18:14,167 --> 01:18:15,865 What's this service called? 1827 01:18:15,908 --> 01:18:16,779 [phone beep] 1828 01:18:16,822 --> 01:18:19,695 [speaking in foreign language] 1829 01:18:19,738 --> 01:18:20,870 [dramatic music] 1830 01:18:20,913 --> 01:18:22,349 [Michael Moore] Where are we going? 1831 01:18:22,393 --> 01:18:23,786 [speaking in foreign language] 1832 01:18:23,829 --> 01:18:25,875 [dramatic music] 1833 01:18:25,918 --> 01:18:26,745 [Dr. Leminez] We are going to see a man 1834 01:18:26,789 --> 01:18:28,486 who has abdominal pain. 1835 01:18:28,529 --> 01:18:29,792 - Abdominal pain? - Yeah. 1836 01:18:30,793 --> 01:18:33,360 [bright music] 1837 01:18:36,407 --> 01:18:40,324 [speaking in foreign language] 1838 01:19:12,443 --> 01:19:14,097 Where do we go next? 1839 01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:15,402 The next visit? 1840 01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:19,493 [speaking in foreign language] 1841 01:19:19,537 --> 01:19:21,757 [dramatic music] 1842 01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,630 [singing in foreign language] 1843 01:19:49,219 --> 01:19:50,394 [Female Expat] One thing that I say to anyone 1844 01:19:50,437 --> 01:19:51,830 who asks me why I'm in this country, 1845 01:19:51,874 --> 01:19:53,353 is that I think it's one 1846 01:19:53,397 --> 01:19:56,095 of the family's friendliest countries that I know of. 1847 01:19:56,139 --> 01:19:58,010 And talk about family values, 1848 01:19:58,054 --> 01:19:59,795 childcare, healthcare... 1849 01:19:59,838 --> 01:20:01,797 [Male Expat] We don't pay for day care. 1850 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,450 [Female Expat] The day care where I send my daughter 1851 01:20:03,494 --> 01:20:04,625 and I was a teacher. 1852 01:20:04,669 --> 01:20:06,671 The standards are very high. 1853 01:20:06,714 --> 01:20:09,935 [bright music] 1854 01:20:09,979 --> 01:20:11,110 [Michael Moore] So, how much does it cost you 1855 01:20:11,154 --> 01:20:12,416 to have two children here in day care? 1856 01:20:12,459 --> 01:20:13,504 Or how much per hour? 1857 01:20:14,548 --> 01:20:18,465 [speaking in foreign language] 1858 01:20:20,990 --> 01:20:23,644 Are you happy with how they're cared for? 1859 01:20:23,688 --> 01:20:27,605 [speaking in foreign language] 1860 01:20:38,746 --> 01:20:40,966 Here, my kids, they're sure that they 1861 01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:43,273 are gonna get a certain level of care, 1862 01:20:43,316 --> 01:20:44,840 a certain education, 1863 01:20:44,883 --> 01:20:47,277 college I don't have to worry about. 1864 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,192 What do you mean? 1865 01:20:49,235 --> 01:20:51,237 - It's free. - You're kidding? 1866 01:20:51,281 --> 01:20:52,891 You can get a college education for free. 1867 01:20:52,935 --> 01:20:54,893 - No way. - Yes. 1868 01:20:54,937 --> 01:20:55,851 There's not a sense of desperation. 1869 01:20:56,808 --> 01:20:58,462 [indistinct chatter] 1870 01:20:58,505 --> 01:21:00,203 They rest, they enjoy life. 1871 01:21:00,246 --> 01:21:01,378 They spend time with their kids, 1872 01:21:01,421 --> 01:21:02,640 there's vacations, there's family time. 1873 01:21:02,683 --> 01:21:04,903 So, how many weeks of paid vacation? 1874 01:21:04,947 --> 01:21:06,252 Minimum five weeks. 1875 01:21:06,296 --> 01:21:07,906 Five weeks? 1876 01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:08,951 - Minimum of five weeks? - That's the french law. 1877 01:21:08,994 --> 01:21:10,866 If you work for a large company, 1878 01:21:10,909 --> 01:21:12,432 you get sometimes eight, ten weeks. 1879 01:21:12,476 --> 01:21:14,565 Remember that there is a 35-hour week. 1880 01:21:14,608 --> 01:21:17,220 The productivity rate is so high here. 1881 01:21:17,263 --> 01:21:19,091 I read it was higher than the United States. 1882 01:21:20,005 --> 01:21:21,615 If they're working more than 35 hours a week, 1883 01:21:21,659 --> 01:21:23,182 they'll get extra days off. 1884 01:21:24,314 --> 01:21:26,185 There's part-time and full -time employees as well. 1885 01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:27,708 You get five weeks paid vacation 1886 01:21:27,752 --> 01:21:29,493 even if you're a part-time employee? 1887 01:21:29,536 --> 01:21:30,450 Of course. 1888 01:21:30,494 --> 01:21:31,756 Everybody. 1889 01:21:31,799 --> 01:21:32,583 If you get married, the year you get married, 1890 01:21:32,626 --> 01:21:33,801 you get an extra week 1891 01:21:33,845 --> 01:21:35,455 or extra seven days for your honeymoon. 1892 01:21:35,499 --> 01:21:37,414 In addition to your five weeks. 1893 01:21:37,457 --> 01:21:38,241 You're paid to take your honeymoon? 1894 01:21:38,284 --> 01:21:39,459 Correct. 1895 01:21:39,503 --> 01:21:40,939 You got move to France now. 1896 01:21:40,983 --> 01:21:41,766 Yeah, if you move. 1897 01:21:41,809 --> 01:21:42,680 You mean if you gonna move 1898 01:21:42,723 --> 01:21:43,724 from one apartment to another? 1899 01:21:43,768 --> 01:21:45,465 [indistinct chatter] 1900 01:21:45,509 --> 01:21:48,338 You get a day to move and they pay you that day? 1901 01:21:48,381 --> 01:21:50,079 These are the laws here. 1902 01:21:50,122 --> 01:21:51,428 When my daughter was three months old, 1903 01:21:51,471 --> 01:21:52,690 there was this free service that sent somebody 1904 01:21:52,733 --> 01:21:53,952 to your home to give you tips on what to do 1905 01:21:53,996 --> 01:21:54,822 with your child, how to get them to sleep, 1906 01:21:54,866 --> 01:21:56,824 every single day, for free. 1907 01:21:56,868 --> 01:21:57,738 [indistinct chatter] 1908 01:21:57,782 --> 01:21:58,522 And they'll come to your house 1909 01:21:58,565 --> 01:21:59,958 and do your laundry! 1910 01:22:00,002 --> 01:22:01,525 [all laughing] 1911 01:22:01,568 --> 01:22:02,918 They will, sure! 1912 01:22:02,961 --> 01:22:04,354 No, stop, stop! 1913 01:22:06,312 --> 01:22:10,229 - When you have a baby. - When you have a baby. 1914 01:22:11,752 --> 01:22:12,971 What are you doing? 1915 01:22:13,015 --> 01:22:16,932 [speaking in foreign language] 1916 01:22:19,021 --> 01:22:20,544 You from the government? 1917 01:22:20,587 --> 01:22:23,982 [speaking in foreign language] 1918 01:22:24,026 --> 01:22:25,331 She do anything else? 1919 01:22:25,375 --> 01:22:26,985 [Mother] If I want, yes. 1920 01:22:27,029 --> 01:22:29,640 She's, of course, taking care of the children. 1921 01:22:30,815 --> 01:22:33,383 And I think if I ask her 1922 01:22:34,427 --> 01:22:36,734 to prepare a meal for tonight, she can do it. 1923 01:22:38,388 --> 01:22:42,305 [speaking in foreign language] 1924 01:22:43,393 --> 01:22:44,220 No problem. 1925 01:22:46,222 --> 01:22:50,269 She's coming twice a week, four hours a day. 1926 01:22:50,313 --> 01:22:52,184 So, I can do everything I want, 1927 01:22:52,228 --> 01:22:54,360 for me, for the house, for my husband, 1928 01:22:54,404 --> 01:22:56,275 during four hours. 1929 01:22:56,319 --> 01:22:58,321 And it's very precious for me. 1930 01:22:58,364 --> 01:22:59,757 You don't have any associations? 1931 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,672 Nothing to help like that? 1932 01:23:01,715 --> 01:23:04,762 No, nobody from the government comes 1933 01:23:04,805 --> 01:23:06,807 to your home in America 1934 01:23:06,851 --> 01:23:09,462 and does your laundry for you if you're a new mother. 1935 01:23:11,029 --> 01:23:12,204 It's difficult. 1936 01:23:12,248 --> 01:23:13,075 Yeah. 1937 01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:16,426 Something that I experience a lot of 1938 01:23:16,469 --> 01:23:19,037 with my own family is guilt. 1939 01:23:19,081 --> 01:23:21,170 Guilt for being here almost 1940 01:23:21,213 --> 01:23:23,433 and seeing the advantages 1941 01:23:23,476 --> 01:23:25,565 and the benefits I have at such a young age. 1942 01:23:25,609 --> 01:23:28,786 And things that my parents worked their whole life for, 1943 01:23:28,829 --> 01:23:31,354 haven't even come close to touching. 1944 01:23:31,397 --> 01:23:34,357 It's really hard to know that you're here 1945 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,707 in a very privileged position, 1946 01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:37,925 not living the high life, 1947 01:23:37,969 --> 01:23:39,710 but in comparison, definitely. 1948 01:23:39,753 --> 01:23:43,496 And that seems completely unfair. 1949 01:23:44,628 --> 01:23:47,544 One of the things that keeps everything running here 1950 01:23:47,587 --> 01:23:50,242 is that the government is afraid of the people. 1951 01:23:50,286 --> 01:23:52,070 They're afraid of protests, 1952 01:23:52,114 --> 01:23:54,681 they're afraid of reactions from the people. 1953 01:23:54,725 --> 01:23:55,813 Whereas in the states, 1954 01:23:55,856 --> 01:23:57,423 people are afraid of the government. 1955 01:23:57,467 --> 01:24:00,731 They're afraid of acting up, 1956 01:24:00,774 --> 01:24:01,993 they're afraid of protesting, 1957 01:24:02,037 --> 01:24:03,821 they're afraid of getting out. 1958 01:24:03,864 --> 01:24:05,910 In France, that's what people do. 1959 01:24:05,953 --> 01:24:07,738 [dramatic music] 1960 01:24:07,781 --> 01:24:11,611 [singing in foreign language] 1961 01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:17,965 [speaking in foreign language] 1962 01:24:44,557 --> 01:24:46,777 [dramatic music] 1963 01:24:46,820 --> 01:24:48,605 [Michael Moore] Free college education, 1964 01:24:48,648 --> 01:24:52,348 free medical care, government-issued nannies, 1965 01:24:52,391 --> 01:24:56,003 I began to wonder how do they pay for all this? 1966 01:24:56,047 --> 01:24:59,746 And then I realized they're drowning in taxes! 1967 01:24:59,790 --> 01:25:01,096 I wanted to see what effect 1968 01:25:01,139 --> 01:25:03,924 this would have on a nice French family. 1969 01:25:03,968 --> 01:25:05,578 So, I went to find out. 1970 01:25:06,797 --> 01:25:09,365 [bright music] 1971 01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:11,715 - Hello. - Hello. 1972 01:25:11,758 --> 01:25:13,325 - Thank you. - Welcome. 1973 01:25:13,369 --> 01:25:14,283 [bright music] 1974 01:25:14,326 --> 01:25:15,240 This is very nice. 1975 01:25:15,284 --> 01:25:18,113 [bright music] 1976 01:25:18,156 --> 01:25:22,073 [speaking in foreign language] 1977 01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:27,774 - It's the news. - Yes. 1978 01:25:27,818 --> 01:25:30,081 [bright music] 1979 01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:32,301 What is your combined income for 1980 01:25:32,344 --> 01:25:35,173 the two of you together for, say one month? 1981 01:25:35,217 --> 01:25:39,134 [speaking in foreign language] 1982 01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:41,484 All right, you're an engineer 1983 01:25:41,527 --> 01:25:42,311 and she's an assistant? 1984 01:25:42,354 --> 01:25:43,181 Not bad. 1985 01:25:44,139 --> 01:25:48,055 [speaking in foreign language] 1986 01:25:53,278 --> 01:25:54,540 And how much do you pay each month 1987 01:25:54,584 --> 01:25:55,802 on your mortgage? 1988 01:25:55,846 --> 01:25:58,718 A thousand and two or three euros a month. 1989 01:26:01,243 --> 01:26:03,810 [speaking in foreign language] 1990 01:26:03,854 --> 01:26:05,508 How many cars do you own? 1991 01:26:05,551 --> 01:26:06,683 - Two. - Two. 1992 01:26:06,726 --> 01:26:10,165 Do you owe money from medical bills? 1993 01:26:10,208 --> 01:26:11,427 [speaking in foreign language] 1994 01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:13,777 Is there any other debt, loans, anything? 1995 01:26:13,820 --> 01:26:15,692 [speaking in foreign language] 1996 01:26:15,735 --> 01:26:17,215 Only the apartment. 1997 01:26:17,259 --> 01:26:20,523 And what are your other big expenses? 1998 01:26:20,566 --> 01:26:25,571 The fish, vegetables. 1999 01:26:26,877 --> 01:26:28,748 Vegetables are a big monthly expense for you. 2000 01:26:28,792 --> 01:26:32,187 - Yes and fruit, yogurt. - Fruit, yogurt. 2001 01:26:33,188 --> 01:26:35,146 What are your other big expenses? 2002 01:26:37,017 --> 01:26:38,410 Very important. 2003 01:26:39,672 --> 01:26:43,589 [speaking in foreign language] 2004 01:26:54,426 --> 01:26:56,428 - Kenya? - We liked. 2005 01:26:56,472 --> 01:26:57,908 Are you happy? 2006 01:26:57,951 --> 01:26:58,778 Yes. 2007 01:26:59,692 --> 01:27:01,085 [speaking in foreign language] 2008 01:27:01,128 --> 01:27:03,696 [both laughing] 2009 01:27:03,740 --> 01:27:06,308 [bright music] 2010 01:27:18,494 --> 01:27:19,625 [Moore V.O.] After seeing all this, 2011 01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:20,974 I began to wonder. 2012 01:27:22,585 --> 01:27:24,282 Was there a reason our government 2013 01:27:24,326 --> 01:27:27,546 and our media wants us to hate the French? 2014 01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:30,201 [bright music] 2015 01:27:34,031 --> 01:27:36,903 Are they worried we might like the French? 2016 01:27:36,947 --> 01:27:39,471 [bright music] 2017 01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:44,389 Or like their ways of doing things? 2018 01:27:44,433 --> 01:27:47,044 [bright music] 2019 01:27:52,963 --> 01:27:56,053 It was enough to make me put away my freedom fries. 2020 01:27:56,096 --> 01:27:59,926 [singing in foreign language] 2021 01:28:05,454 --> 01:28:07,194 [indistinct chatter over PA] 2022 01:28:07,238 --> 01:28:11,024 Meanwhile, back at home, hospitals had found a new way 2023 01:28:11,068 --> 01:28:14,941 to deal with patients who didn't have health insurance 2024 01:28:14,985 --> 01:28:16,378 and couldn't pay their bill. 2025 01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:19,946 [Scott] I was standing against the wall 2026 01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:24,342 and I saw a cab do a U-turn and pull up to the curb. 2027 01:28:24,386 --> 01:28:26,257 And I watched to see what was happening 2028 01:28:26,301 --> 01:28:28,259 'cause I had a feeling what was gonna occur, 2029 01:28:28,303 --> 01:28:30,392 'cause it's not a new thing. 2030 01:28:30,435 --> 01:28:33,395 [Andy] They pulled up right here by this yellow fire hydrant 2031 01:28:33,438 --> 01:28:36,528 and dropped Carol off and immediately pulled away. 2032 01:28:36,572 --> 01:28:37,834 And as soon as they pulled away, 2033 01:28:37,877 --> 01:28:40,619 she walked out into the street about up to here. 2034 01:28:40,663 --> 01:28:41,968 She then walked all the way down 2035 01:28:42,012 --> 01:28:44,580 to the driveway down here, completely confused, 2036 01:28:44,623 --> 01:28:47,887 has no shoes on whatsoever and just in a hospital gown. 2037 01:28:47,931 --> 01:28:50,281 If you've been to a hospital, those gowns are thin. 2038 01:28:50,325 --> 01:28:52,718 And that's when one of our staff members went out 2039 01:28:52,762 --> 01:28:54,546 and asked Carol if she needed assistance 2040 01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:56,418 and found out that she was confused and disoriented 2041 01:28:56,461 --> 01:28:58,463 and didn't know where she was. 2042 01:28:58,507 --> 01:29:01,292 [dramatic music] 2043 01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,454 Kaiser Permanent in Bellflower Hospital 2044 01:30:16,498 --> 01:30:18,369 had put her in a cab 2045 01:30:18,413 --> 01:30:22,329 and directed them to bring her to this drop-off point. 2046 01:30:22,373 --> 01:30:24,027 But the names of the hospitals 2047 01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:26,943 had been taken off both bracelets before she arrived here. 2048 01:30:26,986 --> 01:30:29,598 [Rescue Worker] I have seen others that have come 2049 01:30:29,641 --> 01:30:32,209 through our doors who have IVs still in their arms. 2050 01:30:32,252 --> 01:30:34,951 [Michael Moore] They told me that at their shelter alone, 2051 01:30:34,994 --> 01:30:38,607 over 50 patients had been dumped there by hospitals. 2052 01:30:38,650 --> 01:30:39,912 [James Lott] The options are few. 2053 01:30:39,956 --> 01:30:41,827 We either open the front door and let them out, 2054 01:30:41,871 --> 01:30:43,263 which is not the humane thing to do 2055 01:30:43,307 --> 01:30:44,569 or something we don't wanna do 2056 01:30:44,613 --> 01:30:47,485 or we try to find someplace for them to go. 2057 01:30:47,529 --> 01:30:50,967 And right now, Skid Row is the best bed in town. 2058 01:30:52,534 --> 01:30:54,884 [Michael Moore] In fact, the night before we were there, 2059 01:30:54,927 --> 01:30:56,363 the county hospital run by 2060 01:30:56,407 --> 01:30:58,888 the University of Southern California, 2061 01:30:58,931 --> 01:31:01,456 one of the richest private schools in the country, 2062 01:31:01,499 --> 01:31:03,545 dumped another patient off on the curb, 2063 01:31:05,808 --> 01:31:08,245 a woman unable to pay her hospital bill. 2064 01:31:12,597 --> 01:31:14,120 [Deputy Attorney] Do you know how you got here? 2065 01:31:14,164 --> 01:31:15,121 Patricia] In the cab. 2066 01:31:15,165 --> 01:31:16,514 In the cab? 2067 01:31:16,558 --> 01:31:18,516 From General Hospital, they gave him the voucher. 2068 01:31:21,301 --> 01:31:23,478 He dropped me off there, 2069 01:31:23,521 --> 01:31:26,089 he actually forced me out of the car. 2070 01:31:26,132 --> 01:31:27,830 Ma'am, are you in pain right now? 2071 01:31:28,526 --> 01:31:29,484 Are you in pain right now? 2072 01:31:29,527 --> 01:31:30,572 Yeah. 2073 01:31:30,615 --> 01:31:32,051 Is there anything we can do? 2074 01:31:32,095 --> 01:31:33,444 [Deputy Attorney] She, at this time, has broken ribs, 2075 01:31:33,488 --> 01:31:36,534 broken collarbone and stitches 2076 01:31:36,578 --> 01:31:38,493 that are not completely healed 2077 01:31:38,536 --> 01:31:39,537 across the top of her head 2078 01:31:39,581 --> 01:31:41,321 and on the side of her head. 2079 01:31:41,365 --> 01:31:42,540 Now let me ask you, ma'am 2080 01:31:42,584 --> 01:31:44,455 before they dropped you off, 2081 01:31:44,499 --> 01:31:47,632 did they ask you if you knew where you were going? 2082 01:31:47,676 --> 01:31:48,807 No. 2083 01:31:48,851 --> 01:31:49,939 So, they didn't ask you any questions 2084 01:31:49,982 --> 01:31:51,331 about your orientation, 2085 01:31:51,375 --> 01:31:53,551 or whether or not you knew what was going on? 2086 01:31:55,031 --> 01:31:57,860 No, they just told me to take care of myself. 2087 01:31:57,903 --> 01:32:00,645 [dramatic music] 2088 01:32:01,733 --> 01:32:03,735 [Michael Moore] May I take a minute to ask a question 2089 01:32:03,779 --> 01:32:05,345 that's been on my mind? 2090 01:32:07,609 --> 01:32:08,653 Who are we? 2091 01:32:10,873 --> 01:32:12,614 Is this what we've become? 2092 01:32:13,658 --> 01:32:16,095 A nation that dumps its own citizens like 2093 01:32:16,139 --> 01:32:18,620 so much garbage on the side of the curb 2094 01:32:18,663 --> 01:32:21,013 because they can't pay their hospital bill? 2095 01:32:21,057 --> 01:32:23,015 [dramatic music] 2096 01:32:23,059 --> 01:32:25,104 I always thought and believe to this day 2097 01:32:25,148 --> 01:32:27,977 that we're a good and generous people. 2098 01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:30,632 [ Resident] This is what we do if somebody's in trouble. 2099 01:32:30,675 --> 01:32:34,200 Anybody gets sick, we all get together and help. 2100 01:32:34,244 --> 01:32:36,463 [Michael Moore] People with a good heart. 2101 01:32:36,507 --> 01:32:37,726 [Man] You feel like you're sacrificing, 2102 01:32:37,769 --> 01:32:40,119 but then you get a blessing from doing this 2103 01:32:40,163 --> 01:32:41,643 and that's what we all feel. 2104 01:32:41,686 --> 01:32:42,948 [Michael Moore] And a good soul. 2105 01:32:42,992 --> 01:32:44,907 [Man] We've got a lot of community support 2106 01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:46,125 and we're gonna all keep working 2107 01:32:46,169 --> 01:32:47,779 until we locate this child. 2108 01:32:47,823 --> 01:32:49,825 [Michael Moore] Neighbors who are quick to lend a helping had 2109 01:32:49,868 --> 01:32:52,218 to anyone in their hour of need. 2110 01:32:52,262 --> 01:32:53,742 [Woman] I deliver meals to them, 2111 01:32:53,785 --> 01:32:55,961 but my life has been so blessed 2112 01:32:56,005 --> 01:32:58,573 that this is just the least that I can do. 2113 01:32:59,878 --> 01:33:02,838 [Michael Moore] They say that you can judge a society 2114 01:33:02,881 --> 01:33:05,623 by how it treats those who are the worst off. 2115 01:33:06,842 --> 01:33:08,800 But is the opposite true? 2116 01:33:08,844 --> 01:33:10,454 That you can judge a society 2117 01:33:11,673 --> 01:33:16,286 by how it treats its best, its heroes? 2118 01:33:17,635 --> 01:33:19,202 [Dick Cheney] The firefighters and police, 2119 01:33:19,245 --> 01:33:21,073 rescue and recovery workers 2120 01:33:21,117 --> 01:33:23,336 have responded with true heroism. 2121 01:33:23,380 --> 01:33:25,251 [crowd cheering] 2122 01:33:25,295 --> 01:33:28,472 [Rudy Gulliai] It was their initial heroism that thwarted 2123 01:33:28,515 --> 01:33:30,213 the objectives of the terrorists. 2124 01:33:30,256 --> 01:33:32,519 [John Ashcroft] Without regard, in many instances, 2125 01:33:32,563 --> 01:33:35,305 to their own safety and security. 2126 01:33:35,348 --> 01:33:37,437 [George Pataki] They truly are heroes. 2127 01:33:37,481 --> 01:33:38,351 [crowd cheering] 2128 01:33:38,395 --> 01:33:39,831 [Man] We owe them everything! 2129 01:33:39,875 --> 01:33:41,441 [crowd cheering] 2130 01:33:41,485 --> 01:33:43,530 [Billy Crystal] Here they are folks, the men and women 2131 01:33:43,574 --> 01:33:45,794 who have been on the front lines for New York 2132 01:33:45,837 --> 01:33:48,274 and for all of us in America! 2133 01:33:48,318 --> 01:33:50,015 Tonight is dedicated to you! 2134 01:33:50,059 --> 01:33:52,801 [crowd cheering] 2135 01:33:57,457 --> 01:33:58,328 [Man] Don't forget about 2136 01:33:58,371 --> 01:33:59,329 the raffles going on over there, 2137 01:33:59,372 --> 01:34:01,200 we got one dollar each. 2138 01:34:02,506 --> 01:34:05,117 [Rescue Worker] I spent two and a half years down there. 2139 01:34:05,161 --> 01:34:08,164 I got upper and lower breathing problems. 2140 01:34:08,207 --> 01:34:09,469 I need a double lung transplant, 2141 01:34:09,513 --> 01:34:11,689 but was diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis. 2142 01:34:11,733 --> 01:34:13,822 I haven't slept in a bed in over five years, 2143 01:34:13,865 --> 01:34:16,694 I sleep on a chair with a blanket, 2144 01:34:16,738 --> 01:34:19,088 because if I lay down I can't breathe. 2145 01:34:19,131 --> 01:34:21,917 [Michael Moore] There were hundreds of rescue workers on 2146 01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,310 911 who were not city employee. 2147 01:34:24,354 --> 01:34:26,748 But rather ran down to Ground Zero 2148 01:34:26,791 --> 01:34:28,488 on their own to help out. 2149 01:34:28,532 --> 01:34:30,969 [Man] We need volunteers for first aid! 2150 01:34:31,013 --> 01:34:35,670 [Michael Moore] And many developed serious respiratory illnesses. 2151 01:34:35,713 --> 01:34:37,497 That's when the government sai, 2152 01:34:37,541 --> 01:34:39,717 "They're not our responsibility 2153 01:34:39,761 --> 01:34:42,198 because they weren't on our payroll." 2154 01:34:44,461 --> 01:34:46,768 John Graham is an EMT volunteer 2155 01:34:46,811 --> 01:34:48,465 from Paramus, New Jersey. 2156 01:34:49,814 --> 01:34:53,252 He was in Lower Manhattan when he heard the planes hit 2157 01:34:53,296 --> 01:34:54,689 and rushed over to help. 2158 01:34:55,820 --> 01:34:57,126 He worked in the rescue effort 2159 01:34:57,169 --> 01:34:58,780 for the next few months. 2160 01:34:58,823 --> 01:35:02,479 But then had trouble receiving benefits for his illness. 2161 01:35:04,046 --> 01:35:06,744 [John Graham]] They just deny you for any reason. 2162 01:35:06,788 --> 01:35:09,268 It's just a terrible waiting game. 2163 01:35:09,312 --> 01:35:11,923 I really feel like they're waiting for you to die. 2164 01:35:13,577 --> 01:35:14,883 It's terrible. 2165 01:35:14,926 --> 01:35:18,538 I never thought that we would do this, 2166 01:35:18,582 --> 01:35:20,671 that the United States would do this. 2167 01:35:20,715 --> 01:35:22,717 [Michael Moore] William Maher is a volunteer member 2168 01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,719 of New Jersey's Fire Service. 2169 01:35:24,762 --> 01:35:26,459 He spent two months working ner 2170 01:35:26,503 --> 01:35:30,768 The Pile at Ground Zero recovering bodies or body parts. 2171 01:35:30,812 --> 01:35:32,335 And it deeply affected him. 2172 01:35:32,378 --> 01:35:35,773 [Bill Maher] I'm experiencing a lot of disturbing dreams 2173 01:35:35,817 --> 01:35:37,732 or whatever you'd like to call them, 2174 01:35:37,775 --> 01:35:40,996 and it affected what I was doing at night 2175 01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:43,172 and unaware of it because I was asleep 2176 01:35:43,215 --> 01:35:45,914 and I just kept grinding and grinding my teeth. 2177 01:35:45,957 --> 01:35:47,437 The upper fronts are damaged, 2178 01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:48,743 practically beyond repair, 2179 01:35:48,786 --> 01:35:50,440 because of my constant grinding 2180 01:35:50,483 --> 01:35:52,224 over the last three years. 2181 01:35:52,268 --> 01:35:54,313 I've been before a workers' comp board already 2182 01:35:54,357 --> 01:35:56,576 for the 9/11 volunteers' fund. 2183 01:35:56,620 --> 01:35:58,013 And I've been denied three times 2184 01:35:58,056 --> 01:36:02,408 and hopefully, I will go on my fourth appeal soon, 2185 01:36:02,452 --> 01:36:04,759 if I can get the necessary documentation. 2186 01:36:05,890 --> 01:36:07,587 [bright music] 2187 01:36:07,631 --> 01:36:10,460 [Michael Moore] Of course, there was a $50 million fund 2188 01:36:10,503 --> 01:36:13,680 set up supposedly to help rescue workers. 2189 01:36:13,724 --> 01:36:14,899 [Announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 2190 01:36:14,943 --> 01:36:16,727 the governor of New York, George Pataki. 2191 01:36:16,771 --> 01:36:17,815 [audience applauding] 2192 01:36:17,859 --> 01:36:18,903 [Michael Moore] But the government, 2193 01:36:18,947 --> 01:36:20,687 like the health insurance companies, 2194 01:36:20,731 --> 01:36:23,647 made it very difficult for people to receive help. 2195 01:36:24,604 --> 01:36:25,823 [George Pataki] You have to have spent 2196 01:36:25,867 --> 01:36:28,260 a certain amount of time here at Ground Zero, 2197 01:36:28,304 --> 01:36:31,350 you have to be able to establish that. 2198 01:36:31,394 --> 01:36:34,397 You do have to file an affidavit 2199 01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:36,181 within the next year, 2200 01:36:36,225 --> 01:36:38,793 relating your work experiences at Ground Zero. 2201 01:36:38,836 --> 01:36:41,839 And then, even with all of that, it's not automatic. 2202 01:36:41,883 --> 01:36:44,842 There is a presumption when certain illnesses occur, 2203 01:36:44,886 --> 01:36:47,845 but that presumption can be rebutted 2204 01:36:47,889 --> 01:36:48,977 by other medical evidence. 2205 01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:52,197 So, we think it is a very fair approach 2206 01:36:52,241 --> 01:36:54,243 that protects our heroes. 2207 01:36:54,286 --> 01:36:56,375 [coughs] 2208 01:37:01,250 --> 01:37:02,425 [Reggie] I'm sorry. 2209 01:37:02,468 --> 01:37:03,861 [ Michael Moore] Reggie Cervantes was 2210 01:37:03,905 --> 01:37:07,517 a volunteer emergency medical technician on 911. 2211 01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,432 Nothing makes it go away sometimes. 2212 01:37:09,475 --> 01:37:13,784 Not water, not cough medicine, not anything. 2213 01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:18,223 It's just burning in my throat and irritated 2214 01:37:18,267 --> 01:37:20,399 and it just gets me to coughing. 2215 01:37:20,443 --> 01:37:22,662 Where sometimes I have trouble breathing 2216 01:37:22,706 --> 01:37:24,577 'cause I can't catch my breath. 2217 01:37:27,058 --> 01:37:28,190 [Michael Moore] Reggie spent her days 2218 01:37:28,233 --> 01:37:30,540 at Ground Zero carrying bodies 2219 01:37:30,583 --> 01:37:33,195 and treating other rescue workers. 2220 01:37:33,238 --> 01:37:36,502 My airway was totally burnt that first week 2221 01:37:36,546 --> 01:37:39,157 and I had trouble breathing by then. 2222 01:37:39,201 --> 01:37:40,332 But we wanted to see 2223 01:37:40,376 --> 01:37:41,943 if we could dig anybody up alive, 2224 01:37:41,986 --> 01:37:45,555 we wanted to see if we had lost anybody, 2225 01:37:45,598 --> 01:37:47,513 if we were still missing somebody. 2226 01:37:48,471 --> 01:37:50,386 I wanted to help. 2227 01:37:50,429 --> 01:37:51,866 I was trained for this. 2228 01:37:53,432 --> 01:37:56,087 You see somebody who is in need, you help 'em. 2229 01:37:58,611 --> 01:38:01,527 [Michael Moore] Reggie had difficulty getting treatment. 2230 01:38:01,571 --> 01:38:04,748 Too sick to work and with no income. 2231 01:38:04,791 --> 01:38:06,881 She was forced to quit her job 2232 01:38:06,924 --> 01:38:08,708 and used her savings to move her 2233 01:38:08,752 --> 01:38:10,797 and her kids out of the city. 2234 01:38:13,583 --> 01:38:14,758 It's hard to figure out 2235 01:38:14,801 --> 01:38:16,760 how you're supposed to get help. 2236 01:38:16,803 --> 01:38:18,893 We're trying to go about it the right way, 2237 01:38:20,895 --> 01:38:21,896 but we're ignored. 2238 01:38:23,288 --> 01:38:25,247 [Michael Moore] But not everyoe after 911 2239 01:38:25,290 --> 01:38:27,031 was ignored by the government. 2240 01:38:28,554 --> 01:38:30,208 [George Bush] We're now approaching the five-year 2241 01:38:30,252 --> 01:38:32,384 anniversary of the 9/11 attack. 2242 01:38:33,733 --> 01:38:36,649 So, I'm announcing today that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 2243 01:38:37,650 --> 01:38:40,175 Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi Binalshibh 2244 01:38:41,437 --> 01:38:44,092 and 11 other terrorists in CIA custody 2245 01:38:44,135 --> 01:38:45,397 have been transferred to 2246 01:38:45,441 --> 01:38:48,400 the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay. 2247 01:38:48,444 --> 01:38:49,880 [dramatic music] 2248 01:38:49,924 --> 01:38:51,490 [Bill Frist] On that island, today are some 2249 01:38:51,534 --> 01:38:55,538 of the world's most hardened enemy combatants. 2250 01:38:55,581 --> 01:38:56,974 [Mr. Hunter] These detainees are deadly 2251 01:38:57,018 --> 01:38:59,237 and include the 20th hijacker, 2252 01:38:59,281 --> 01:39:02,719 as well as a number of Osama bin Laden's personal bodyguards 2253 01:39:02,762 --> 01:39:05,287 and others who had a direct role 2254 01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:07,942 in the September 11 attacks. 2255 01:39:07,985 --> 01:39:10,553 [Mr. Rumsfeld] The kind of people held at Guantanamo 2256 01:39:10,596 --> 01:39:13,599 include terrorist trainers, bomb-makers. 2257 01:39:13,643 --> 01:39:15,601 [Female Politician] Many of them have American blood on 2258 01:39:15,645 --> 01:39:19,866 their hands and they're certainly the elite of Al-Qaeda. 2259 01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:21,868 [Dick Cheney] It seems to me we have an obligation 2260 01:39:21,912 --> 01:39:25,872 to treat these individuals as enemy combatants. 2261 01:39:27,004 --> 01:39:28,223 [Michael Moore] And then I learned 2262 01:39:28,266 --> 01:39:30,790 it wasn't all bad news at Gitmo. 2263 01:39:31,791 --> 01:39:34,359 [bright music] 2264 01:39:36,927 --> 01:39:38,363 [Mr. Hunter] Detainees representing a threat 2265 01:39:38,407 --> 01:39:41,279 to our national security are given access 2266 01:39:41,323 --> 01:39:43,499 to top-notch medical facilities. 2267 01:39:43,542 --> 01:39:46,502 [Bill Frist] They have acute care 24 hours a day, 2268 01:39:46,545 --> 01:39:48,199 in which surgical procedures, 2269 01:39:48,243 --> 01:39:50,288 everything can be performed right there 2270 01:39:50,332 --> 01:39:52,508 in the detainee camps. 2271 01:39:52,551 --> 01:39:54,510 [Prison Guard] This is the dental clinic or the health clinic 2272 01:39:54,553 --> 01:39:55,946 slash dental clinic. 2273 01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:57,339 [Army Man] We have a physical therapy department, 2274 01:39:57,382 --> 01:40:00,037 we have X-ray capabilities with digital X-rays, 2275 01:40:00,081 --> 01:40:02,039 we have one single operating room. 2276 01:40:02,083 --> 01:40:04,781 Health personnel to detainee ratio 2277 01:40:04,824 --> 01:40:07,262 is one to four, remarkably high. 2278 01:40:07,305 --> 01:40:10,308 We do sick call on the blocks three times per week, 2279 01:40:10,352 --> 01:40:11,744 care for them there if they can 2280 01:40:11,788 --> 01:40:13,616 or bring that detainee back to the clinic 2281 01:40:13,659 --> 01:40:14,878 to be seen there. 2282 01:40:14,921 --> 01:40:17,054 Screening for cancer has taken place there, 2283 01:40:17,098 --> 01:40:19,143 colonoscopy is a procedure which 2284 01:40:19,187 --> 01:40:21,885 is performed there on a routine basis. 2285 01:40:21,928 --> 01:40:23,234 [Army Man] We have diabetes, 2286 01:40:23,278 --> 01:40:25,149 we have high blood pressure, high cholesterol. 2287 01:40:25,193 --> 01:40:26,716 We do periodically monitor the weight 2288 01:40:26,759 --> 01:40:28,196 and nutrition of the detainees, 2289 01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:29,936 so that we can track those detainees 2290 01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:31,938 to make sure we see them frequently, 2291 01:40:31,982 --> 01:40:34,724 monitoring their labs and their overall health. 2292 01:40:34,767 --> 01:40:36,291 [Female Soldier] Their medical attention... 2293 01:40:36,334 --> 01:40:37,857 They get way better medical treatment 2294 01:40:37,901 --> 01:40:39,772 than I've ever had. 2295 01:40:39,816 --> 01:40:41,339 [laughs] 2296 01:40:41,383 --> 01:40:42,210 [Questioner] Do you think it's as good 2297 01:40:42,253 --> 01:40:43,515 as most as HMOs in the US? 2298 01:40:43,559 --> 01:40:46,040 Certainly very similar and as good, sir. 2299 01:40:46,083 --> 01:40:47,345 [Bill Frist] I leave with an impression 2300 01:40:47,389 --> 01:40:49,391 that healthcare there is clearly better 2301 01:40:49,434 --> 01:40:51,828 than they received at home 2302 01:40:51,871 --> 01:40:54,483 and as good as many people receive in the 2303 01:40:54,526 --> 01:40:56,746 United States of America. 2304 01:40:56,789 --> 01:40:58,965 [Michael Moore] Wow, so there is actually 2305 01:40:59,009 --> 01:41:01,185 one place on American soil 2306 01:41:01,229 --> 01:41:03,840 that had free universal healthcare. 2307 01:41:04,754 --> 01:41:06,669 That's all I needed to know. 2308 01:41:08,845 --> 01:41:11,065 I went down to Miami, Florida. 2309 01:41:11,108 --> 01:41:12,283 [bright music] 2310 01:41:12,327 --> 01:41:16,244 Got myself a boat and loaded up Bill 2311 01:41:17,114 --> 01:41:19,769 and Reggie and John. 2312 01:41:21,205 --> 01:41:22,728 - John - Welcome, sir. 2313 01:41:22,772 --> 01:41:24,556 And anyone else I could find who needed 2314 01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,037 to see a doctor and couldn't afford one. 2315 01:41:27,081 --> 01:41:28,691 So, many people showed up. 2316 01:41:28,734 --> 01:41:31,041 I had to get a couple extra boats. 2317 01:41:31,085 --> 01:41:32,347 [bright music] 2318 01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:33,783 And I called up Donna Smith from Denver. 2319 01:41:33,826 --> 01:41:36,481 Who is now on nine different medications. 2320 01:41:36,525 --> 01:41:38,962 And I asked her if she'd like to come along. 2321 01:41:39,005 --> 01:41:40,398 I figured she'd like to get out 2322 01:41:40,442 --> 01:41:42,879 of her daughter's basement for a while. 2323 01:41:42,922 --> 01:41:43,793 [bright music] 2324 01:41:43,836 --> 01:41:45,447 All right, let's Go. 2325 01:41:45,490 --> 01:41:48,102 [bright music] 2326 01:42:00,418 --> 01:42:03,160 Which way to Guantanamo Bay? 2327 01:42:03,204 --> 01:42:04,074 [bright music] 2328 01:42:04,118 --> 01:42:05,510 Can we go? 2329 01:42:05,554 --> 01:42:07,425 We're not going to Cuba, 2330 01:42:07,469 --> 01:42:09,210 we're going to America! 2331 01:42:09,253 --> 01:42:10,863 It's American soil! 2332 01:42:10,907 --> 01:42:13,475 [bright music] 2333 01:42:37,020 --> 01:42:39,588 [bright music] 2334 01:42:48,205 --> 01:42:49,119 We made it. 2335 01:42:54,733 --> 01:42:57,301 [bright music] 2336 01:43:05,048 --> 01:43:07,529 There it is, there's the runway. 2337 01:43:07,572 --> 01:43:10,184 That's the prison over there where the detainees are. 2338 01:43:11,272 --> 01:43:12,360 [Reggie] We're very close. 2339 01:43:12,403 --> 01:43:13,230 Yeah, we're very close. 2340 01:43:14,927 --> 01:43:16,799 [bright music] 2341 01:43:16,842 --> 01:43:18,844 The white building is the hospital, I think. 2342 01:43:18,888 --> 01:43:21,107 [bright music] 2343 01:43:21,151 --> 01:43:22,196 Okay, let's go. 2344 01:43:23,327 --> 01:43:25,938 [bright music] 2345 01:43:28,158 --> 01:43:30,116 We commandeered a fishing boat 2346 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,162 and sailed into Guantanamo Bay. 2347 01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:35,861 As we approached the line in the water 2348 01:43:35,905 --> 01:43:39,038 between the American and Cuban side of the bay, 2349 01:43:39,082 --> 01:43:41,171 we were told to be careful for mines. 2350 01:43:43,304 --> 01:43:44,566 [dramatic music] 2351 01:43:44,609 --> 01:43:46,307 Permission to enter. 2352 01:43:46,350 --> 01:43:49,571 I have three 9/11 rescue workers, 2353 01:43:49,614 --> 01:43:51,355 they need some medical attention. 2354 01:43:56,186 --> 01:43:58,536 These are 9/11 rescue workers! 2355 01:43:58,580 --> 01:44:01,104 They just want some medical attention! 2356 01:44:01,147 --> 01:44:03,193 The same kind that Al-Qaeda is getting. 2357 01:44:06,501 --> 01:44:07,763 They don't want any more than 2358 01:44:07,806 --> 01:44:10,635 you're giving the evildoers, just the same! 2359 01:44:12,376 --> 01:44:13,247 Hello. 2360 01:44:14,422 --> 01:44:16,293 No one in the guard tower was responding 2361 01:44:16,337 --> 01:44:19,165 and then suddenly we heard a siren. 2362 01:44:19,209 --> 01:44:21,994 We figured it was time to get out of here. 2363 01:44:22,038 --> 01:44:25,433 But what was I supposed to do with all these sick people 2364 01:44:25,476 --> 01:44:27,261 and no one to help them? 2365 01:44:27,304 --> 01:44:28,479 Here we were stuck 2366 01:44:28,523 --> 01:44:31,265 in some godforsaken Third World country. 2367 01:44:31,308 --> 01:44:33,005 And communists, no less. 2368 01:44:33,049 --> 01:44:35,878 When I was a kid, these people wanted to kill us. 2369 01:44:36,792 --> 01:44:38,141 What was I supposed to do? 2370 01:44:39,447 --> 01:44:40,796 [bright music] 2371 01:44:40,839 --> 01:44:43,233 ♪ I'm on the way to Cuba 2372 01:44:43,277 --> 01:44:48,151 ♪ Where all is happy 2373 01:44:48,194 --> 01:44:52,982 ♪ Cuba, where all is gay 2374 01:44:53,025 --> 01:44:57,943 ♪ Why don't you plan a wonderful trip ♪ 2375 01:44:57,987 --> 01:44:59,118 ♪ To Havana hop on a ship 2376 01:44:59,162 --> 01:45:01,338 Excuse me, we're looking for a doctor. 2377 01:45:01,382 --> 01:45:04,210 Is there a doctor here in Cuba? 2378 01:45:04,254 --> 01:45:05,647 Any doctors? 2379 01:45:05,690 --> 01:45:09,607 [speaking in foreign language] 2380 01:45:11,174 --> 01:45:12,958 All in this one block? 2381 01:45:13,002 --> 01:45:16,919 [speaking in foreign language] 2382 01:45:19,356 --> 01:45:21,880 All right, thank you very much, thank you. 2383 01:45:21,924 --> 01:45:24,535 Okay, okay, I know what you're thinking. 2384 01:45:24,579 --> 01:45:26,450 Cuba is where Lucifer lives. 2385 01:45:29,323 --> 01:45:30,585 The worse place on Earth. 2386 01:45:31,673 --> 01:45:33,675 The most evil nation ever created. 2387 01:45:35,024 --> 01:45:36,504 How do we know that? 2388 01:45:36,547 --> 01:45:39,245 'Cause that's what we've been told for over 45 years. 2389 01:45:40,290 --> 01:45:42,858 [John F. Kennedy] A series of offensive missile sites 2390 01:45:42,901 --> 01:45:44,816 can be none other than to provide 2391 01:45:44,860 --> 01:45:46,775 a nuclear strike capability 2392 01:45:46,818 --> 01:45:48,646 against the western hemisphere. 2393 01:45:48,690 --> 01:45:50,779 [George Bush] I'm not gonna yield until Fidel Castro 2394 01:45:50,822 --> 01:45:52,302 allows freedom on the island. 2395 01:45:53,651 --> 01:45:54,652 That's a... 2396 01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:56,524 You can count on it. 2397 01:45:58,395 --> 01:46:00,092 Put it in the bank. 2398 01:46:00,136 --> 01:46:01,964 [dramatic music] 2399 01:46:02,007 --> 01:46:04,575 [Michael Moore] It seems that what really bugged us about Castro 2400 01:46:04,619 --> 01:46:07,273 was that he overthrew the dictator that we liked 2401 01:46:08,492 --> 01:46:12,366 and replaced him with a guy we didn't like, himself. 2402 01:46:13,454 --> 01:46:16,065 And so, now, after all these years, 2403 01:46:16,108 --> 01:46:17,719 one thing is clear, 2404 01:46:17,762 --> 01:46:22,288 the Cuban people have free universal healthcare. 2405 01:46:22,332 --> 01:46:23,942 They've become known around the world 2406 01:46:23,986 --> 01:46:26,728 as having not only one of the best healthcare systems, 2407 01:46:26,771 --> 01:46:28,817 but as being one of the most generous countries 2408 01:46:28,860 --> 01:46:31,689 in providing doctors and medical equipment 2409 01:46:31,733 --> 01:46:33,387 to Third World countries. 2410 01:46:34,257 --> 01:46:36,346 In the US, healthcare costs 2411 01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:39,436 run nearly $7,000 per person. 2412 01:46:39,480 --> 01:46:43,614 But in Cuba, they spend only $251. 2413 01:46:43,658 --> 01:46:45,050 And yet the Cubans are able 2414 01:46:45,094 --> 01:46:47,096 to have a lower infant mortality rate 2415 01:46:47,139 --> 01:46:48,663 than the United States, 2416 01:46:48,706 --> 01:46:52,580 a longer average life span than the United States. 2417 01:46:52,623 --> 01:46:55,278 They believe in preventive medicine. 2418 01:46:55,321 --> 01:46:57,976 And it seems like there's a doctor on every block. 2419 01:46:59,369 --> 01:47:02,024 Their only sin when it comes to healthcare, 2420 01:47:02,067 --> 01:47:04,896 seems to be that they don't do it for a profit. 2421 01:47:05,984 --> 01:47:08,770 Anybody need medication right now from the pharmacy? 2422 01:47:08,813 --> 01:47:12,643 ♪ Why don't you leave behind 2423 01:47:15,341 --> 01:47:17,387 Are you the pharmacist? 2424 01:47:17,431 --> 01:47:18,823 Do you have this? 2425 01:47:20,738 --> 01:47:23,045 Is this one similar to yours? 2426 01:47:23,088 --> 01:47:24,350 [Reggie] Yeah. 2427 01:47:24,394 --> 01:47:26,004 It's $120 in the US. 2428 01:47:26,048 --> 01:47:27,441 This is $120 in the US? 2429 01:47:27,484 --> 01:47:29,051 Yes. 2430 01:47:29,094 --> 01:47:32,576 [speaking in foreign language] 2431 01:47:32,620 --> 01:47:34,012 How much is that in American dollars? 2432 01:47:34,056 --> 01:47:36,493 [Pharmacist] It's like five cents. 2433 01:47:36,537 --> 01:47:38,756 - Five cents? - Yeah, more or less. 2434 01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:42,717 [speaking in foreign language] 2435 01:47:51,639 --> 01:47:53,467 Thank you very much. 2436 01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:54,990 [speaking in foreign language] 2437 01:47:55,033 --> 01:47:56,992 [Reggie] $120 is a lot of money 2438 01:47:57,035 --> 01:48:01,387 when you get $1,000 in social security disability 2439 01:48:01,431 --> 01:48:03,346 and need one or two a month. 2440 01:48:03,389 --> 01:48:05,130 Five cents here? 2441 01:48:05,174 --> 01:48:06,741 It's like the biggest insult. 2442 01:48:08,220 --> 01:48:09,744 It just doesn't make any sense. 2443 01:48:11,485 --> 01:48:13,399 It doesn't make any sense. 2444 01:48:13,443 --> 01:48:14,749 I wanna fill a suitcase up 2445 01:48:14,792 --> 01:48:16,054 and go back home with it. 2446 01:48:16,968 --> 01:48:19,536 [bright music] 2447 01:48:42,385 --> 01:48:44,213 [Michael Moore] I took my group of sick Americans 2448 01:48:44,256 --> 01:48:47,738 to a hospital to see if they could get some care. 2449 01:48:47,782 --> 01:48:49,479 [bright music] 2450 01:48:49,523 --> 01:48:53,091 They didn't ask for money or an insurance card, 2451 01:48:53,135 --> 01:48:55,746 [speaking in foreign language] 2452 01:48:55,790 --> 01:48:59,750 just their name and date of birth. 2453 01:48:59,794 --> 01:49:02,927 [speaking in foreign language] 2454 01:49:02,971 --> 01:49:05,408 That was the entire intake session. 2455 01:49:06,757 --> 01:49:10,674 [speaking in foreign language] 2456 01:49:26,734 --> 01:49:28,039 Thank you very much for doing this. 2457 01:49:28,083 --> 01:49:28,997 [Director of Hospital] You are very welcome. 2458 01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,607 [bright music] 2459 01:49:30,651 --> 01:49:33,349 I asked them to give us the same exact care 2460 01:49:33,392 --> 01:49:35,960 they give their fellow Cuban citizens. 2461 01:49:36,004 --> 01:49:38,528 No more, no less. 2462 01:49:38,572 --> 01:49:39,790 And that's what they did. 2463 01:49:40,704 --> 01:49:43,838 [Dr. Roque] I'm Dr. Roque, I'm an internal medicine specialist. 2464 01:49:43,881 --> 01:49:45,317 John Graham. 2465 01:49:45,361 --> 01:49:46,188 How are you feeling? 2466 01:49:46,231 --> 01:49:48,799 My lungs hurt, I have pain. 2467 01:49:48,843 --> 01:49:51,846 I get pretty severe nose bleeds at times. 2468 01:49:51,889 --> 01:49:53,891 I get terrible headaches in the middle of the night, 2469 01:49:53,935 --> 01:49:55,371 but I haven't been evaluated 2470 01:49:55,414 --> 01:49:57,547 for the sleep apnea for nine years. 2471 01:49:57,591 --> 01:49:59,070 Yeah, I have... 2472 01:49:59,114 --> 01:50:01,856 Many medications for lung problems. 2473 01:50:01,899 --> 01:50:04,467 Almost every medication for lung problems, I've got. 2474 01:50:04,510 --> 01:50:06,643 After 9/11, things have happened, 2475 01:50:06,687 --> 01:50:08,471 my teeth started falling out. 2476 01:50:08,514 --> 01:50:11,779 Because of certain conditions, I was grinding. 2477 01:50:11,822 --> 01:50:14,608 There's one test that they recommended I take, 2478 01:50:14,651 --> 01:50:17,349 it's about $5,000 to $ 7,000. 2479 01:50:17,393 --> 01:50:19,177 The dentist that I talked to, 2480 01:50:19,221 --> 01:50:22,441 it's like $15,000 or more. 2481 01:50:22,485 --> 01:50:25,009 Now, it's two years I have no medical coverage, 2482 01:50:25,053 --> 01:50:27,925 so I can't go for the last part of the test. 2483 01:50:27,969 --> 01:50:30,188 [speaking in foreign language] 2484 01:50:30,232 --> 01:50:32,800 It's okay, everything's gonna be okay. 2485 01:50:32,843 --> 01:50:35,063 Yes, I am so... 2486 01:50:36,368 --> 01:50:40,416 It's so hard for me to digest somebody saying it's free 2487 01:50:41,896 --> 01:50:45,508 because 20 years of our lives have been spent fighting. 2488 01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:49,730 So, I am so grateful. 2489 01:50:52,558 --> 01:50:54,038 No, you don't need to say that. 2490 01:50:55,823 --> 01:50:58,042 Thank you, thank you. 2491 01:50:58,086 --> 01:50:58,956 Come on, don't cry, 2492 01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:00,741 everything's gonna be okay. 2493 01:51:00,784 --> 01:51:01,611 Thank you. 2494 01:51:01,655 --> 01:51:03,352 At least what we can do. 2495 01:51:03,395 --> 01:51:06,181 [emotional music] 2496 01:51:49,572 --> 01:51:53,489 [speaking in foreign language] 2497 01:52:25,260 --> 01:52:27,784 [Michael Moore] Reggie was diagnosed with a series of 2498 01:52:27,828 --> 01:52:29,960 pulmonary and bronchial problems. 2499 01:52:30,004 --> 01:52:32,093 The Cuban doctors gave her a treatment plan 2500 01:52:32,136 --> 01:52:35,531 to follow back home along with some 2501 01:52:35,574 --> 01:52:37,315 of those five cent inhalers. 2502 01:52:38,969 --> 01:52:40,623 William Maher received a number 2503 01:52:40,666 --> 01:52:42,930 of treatments on his neck and his back. 2504 01:52:42,973 --> 01:52:44,453 And having ground down his teeh 2505 01:52:44,496 --> 01:52:45,759 for three years straight due 2506 01:52:45,802 --> 01:52:48,283 to post-traumatic stress disorder. 2507 01:52:48,326 --> 01:52:50,938 He left Cuba with a new set of teeth. 2508 01:52:50,981 --> 01:52:53,244 [emotional music] 2509 01:52:53,288 --> 01:52:55,333 After a series of tests on his heart, 2510 01:52:55,377 --> 01:52:57,335 lungs, blood and stomach, 2511 01:52:57,379 --> 01:53:00,077 John now knew what his ailments were. 2512 01:53:00,121 --> 01:53:01,818 He was given a strict plan to follow, 2513 01:53:01,862 --> 01:53:03,385 plus a number of treatments 2514 01:53:04,516 --> 01:53:06,780 and was feeling better than he had in years. 2515 01:53:08,172 --> 01:53:09,521 The Cuban doctors were able 2516 01:53:09,565 --> 01:53:12,960 to take Donna off five of her nine medications. 2517 01:53:13,003 --> 01:53:15,049 And with a correct diagnosis, 2518 01:53:15,092 --> 01:53:16,964 gave her a treatment plan 2519 01:53:17,007 --> 01:53:19,009 to help her live a more normal life. 2520 01:53:25,363 --> 01:53:27,844 When the firefighters and paramedics in Havana heard 2521 01:53:27,888 --> 01:53:30,368 that the 911 rescue workers were in town, 2522 01:53:30,412 --> 01:53:33,719 they invited them over to one of their firehouses. 2523 01:53:33,763 --> 01:53:37,071 And so, on our last day there as we arrived, 2524 01:53:37,114 --> 01:53:38,812 they stood at attention 2525 01:53:38,855 --> 01:53:40,422 because they said, 2526 01:53:40,465 --> 01:53:43,468 they wanted to honor the heroes of 911. 2527 01:53:44,469 --> 01:53:48,386 [speaking in foreign language] 2528 01:54:31,734 --> 01:54:33,083 [Reggie] The brothers we lost on 9/11 2529 01:54:33,127 --> 01:54:35,303 was felt around the world. 2530 01:54:35,346 --> 01:54:37,174 [speaking in foreign language] 2531 01:54:38,001 --> 01:54:39,394 [Reggie speaks Spanish] 2532 01:54:39,437 --> 01:54:41,309 [bright music] 2533 01:54:41,352 --> 01:54:43,615 Don't hesitate to hug a brother. 2534 01:54:43,659 --> 01:54:46,183 [bright music] 2535 01:54:48,969 --> 01:54:51,232 [John Graham] It's very important for them to wear 2536 01:54:51,275 --> 01:54:52,755 the SCBA so they don't end up like me. 2537 01:54:54,104 --> 01:54:57,281 [overlapping chatter] 2538 01:55:02,243 --> 01:55:05,202 [speaking in foreign language] 2539 01:55:05,246 --> 01:55:07,857 [bright music] 2540 01:55:21,392 --> 01:55:22,741 [Michael Moore] If this is what can happen 2541 01:55:22,785 --> 01:55:25,092 between supposed enemies. 2542 01:55:25,135 --> 01:55:27,050 If one enemy can hold out his hand 2543 01:55:27,094 --> 01:55:28,182 and offer to heal, 2544 01:55:29,096 --> 01:55:30,619 then what else is possible? 2545 01:55:31,489 --> 01:55:34,057 [bright music] 2546 01:55:35,276 --> 01:55:37,234 That's when I heard that the man who runs 2547 01:55:37,278 --> 01:55:40,716 the biggest anti-Michael Moore website on the internet 2548 01:55:40,759 --> 01:55:42,544 was going to have to shut it down. 2549 01:55:43,545 --> 01:55:46,069 He could no longer afford to keep it up 2550 01:55:46,113 --> 01:55:48,245 because his wife was ill 2551 01:55:48,289 --> 01:55:49,594 and they couldn't afford to pay 2552 01:55:49,638 --> 01:55:51,205 for her health insurance. 2553 01:55:52,641 --> 01:55:56,427 He was faced with a choice of either keep attacking me 2554 01:55:56,471 --> 01:55:58,212 or pay for his wife's health. 2555 01:55:59,778 --> 01:56:02,129 Fortunately, he chose his wife. 2556 01:56:03,521 --> 01:56:05,697 But something seemed wrong about being forced 2557 01:56:05,741 --> 01:56:07,873 into such a decision. 2558 01:56:07,917 --> 01:56:10,659 Why in a free country shouldn't he be able 2559 01:56:10,702 --> 01:56:12,269 to have health insurance 2560 01:56:12,313 --> 01:56:14,793 and exercise his First Amendment right 2561 01:56:14,837 --> 01:56:16,317 to run me into the ground? 2562 01:56:18,493 --> 01:56:21,322 So, I wrote a check for the $12,000 he needed 2563 01:56:21,365 --> 01:56:24,586 to keep his wife insured and in treatment 2564 01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:26,370 and sent it to him anonymously. 2565 01:56:29,547 --> 01:56:31,593 His wife got better 2566 01:56:31,636 --> 01:56:34,509 and his website is still going strong. 2567 01:56:37,425 --> 01:56:40,558 [bright music] 2568 01:56:40,602 --> 01:56:44,301 It was hard for me to acknowledge that in the end, 2569 01:56:44,345 --> 01:56:46,521 we truly are all in the same boat. 2570 01:56:47,435 --> 01:56:50,046 And that no matter what our differences, 2571 01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:52,092 we sink or swim together. 2572 01:56:53,267 --> 01:56:56,052 That's how it seems to be everywhere else. 2573 01:56:56,096 --> 01:56:57,271 [bright music] 2574 01:56:57,314 --> 01:56:59,490 They take care of each other 2575 01:56:59,534 --> 01:57:01,405 no matter what their disagreements. 2576 01:57:01,449 --> 01:57:03,538 [bright music] 2577 01:57:03,581 --> 01:57:04,713 When we see a good idea 2578 01:57:04,756 --> 01:57:07,020 from another country, we grab it. 2579 01:57:08,804 --> 01:57:11,459 If they build a better car, we drive it. 2580 01:57:12,895 --> 01:57:15,593 If they make a better wine, we drink it. 2581 01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:18,988 So, if they've come up with a better way 2582 01:57:19,032 --> 01:57:20,816 to treat the sick, 2583 01:57:20,859 --> 01:57:22,209 to teach their kids, 2584 01:57:23,775 --> 01:57:25,386 to take care of their babies, 2585 01:57:27,214 --> 01:57:29,868 to simply be good to each other, 2586 01:57:29,912 --> 01:57:31,348 then what's our problem? 2587 01:57:32,610 --> 01:57:34,743 Why can't we do that? 2588 01:57:34,786 --> 01:57:35,874 [bright music] 2589 01:57:35,918 --> 01:57:38,486 They live in a world of we not me. 2590 01:57:39,791 --> 01:57:41,663 We'll never fix anything until we get 2591 01:57:41,706 --> 01:57:43,621 that one basic thing right. 2592 01:57:44,622 --> 01:57:47,495 And powerful forces hope that we never do. 2593 01:57:48,409 --> 01:57:52,108 And that we remain the only country in the western world 2594 01:57:52,152 --> 01:57:54,893 without free universal healthcare. 2595 01:57:56,852 --> 01:58:00,464 If we ever did remove the chokehold of medical bills, 2596 01:58:00,508 --> 01:58:04,338 college loans, day care and everything else 2597 01:58:04,381 --> 01:58:06,644 that makes us afraid to step out of line. 2598 01:58:06,688 --> 01:58:08,255 [bright music] 2599 01:58:08,298 --> 01:58:12,824 Well, watch out, 'cause it'll be a new day in America. 2600 01:58:14,174 --> 01:58:17,612 In the meantime, I'm gonna go get the government 2601 01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:20,005 to do my laundry. 2602 01:58:21,006 --> 01:58:23,183 ♪ Don't be shy 2603 01:58:23,226 --> 01:58:27,578 ♪ Just let your feelings roll on by ♪ 2604 01:58:27,622 --> 01:58:30,320 ♪ Don't wear fear 2605 01:58:30,364 --> 01:58:34,716 ♪ Or nobody will know you're there ♪ 2606 01:58:34,759 --> 01:58:37,588 ♪ Just lift your head 2607 01:58:37,632 --> 01:58:41,766 ♪ And let your feelings out instead ♪ 2608 01:58:41,810 --> 01:58:44,552 ♪ And don't be shy 2609 01:58:44,595 --> 01:58:48,773 ♪ Just let your feelings roll on by ♪ 2610 01:58:48,817 --> 01:58:53,778 ♪ On by, on by, on by, on by, on by ♪ 2611 01:58:54,257 --> 01:58:59,219 ♪ On by, on by, on by, on by ♪ 2612 01:59:02,961 --> 01:59:07,966 ♪ You know love is better than a song ♪ 2613 01:59:10,404 --> 01:59:15,409 ♪ Love is where all of us belong ♪ 2614 01:59:17,324 --> 01:59:20,065 ♪ So don't be shy 2615 01:59:20,109 --> 01:59:24,461 ♪ Just let your feelings roll on by ♪ 2616 01:59:24,505 --> 01:59:26,985 ♪ Don't wear fear 2617 01:59:27,029 --> 01:59:30,989 ♪ Or nobody will know you're there ♪ 2618 01:59:31,033 --> 01:59:34,384 ♪ That you're there, you're there ♪ 2619 01:59:34,428 --> 01:59:37,779 ♪ You're there, you're there, you're there ♪ 2620 01:59:37,822 --> 01:59:41,217 ♪ You're there, you're there, 2621 01:59:41,261 --> 01:59:45,047 ♪ You're there, you're there 2622 01:59:59,844 --> 02:00:02,412 ♪ Don't be shy 2623 02:00:02,456 --> 02:00:06,808 ♪ Just let your feelings roll on by ♪ 2624 02:00:06,851 --> 02:00:09,289 ♪ And don't wear fear 2625 02:00:09,332 --> 02:00:13,728 ♪ Or nobody will know you're there ♪ 2626 02:00:13,771 --> 02:00:16,339 ♪ Just lift your head 2627 02:00:16,383 --> 02:00:20,604 ♪ And let your feelings out instead ♪ 2628 02:00:20,648 --> 02:00:23,477 ♪ Now don't be shy 2629 02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:27,045 ♪ Just let your feeling roll on by ♪ 2630 02:00:27,089 --> 02:00:32,094 ♪ On by, on by, on by, on by, on by ♪ 2631 02:00:33,269 --> 02:00:37,012 ♪ On by, on by, on by, on by 2632 02:00:40,929 --> 02:00:43,584 [bright music] 2633 02:00:57,162 --> 02:01:01,993 ♪ Sick of the waiting and praying and hoping ♪ 2634 02:01:02,037 --> 02:01:07,042 ♪ Sick of the cold whispered dreams and not knowing ♪ 2635 02:01:07,085 --> 02:01:11,960 ♪ Sick of the strength that it takes to keep going ♪ 2636 02:01:12,003 --> 02:01:17,008 ♪ Sick as I'm losing this fight and it's showing ♪ 2637 02:01:17,661 --> 02:01:21,622 ♪ Aah aah unforgivable but true ♪ 2638 02:01:28,933 --> 02:01:32,937 ♪ Aah aah I'm alone without you ♪ 2639 02:01:40,336 --> 02:01:43,034 ♪ Sick 'cause I'm stuck on the wrong side of town ♪ 2640 02:01:43,078 --> 02:01:45,820 ♪ And sick 'cause I'm pulling but still sinking down ♪ 2641 02:01:45,863 --> 02:01:48,779 ♪ And sick 'cause I can't turn this whole thing around ♪ 2642 02:01:48,823 --> 02:01:53,828 ♪ And sick 'cause I'm too weak to hunt somebody down ♪ 2643 02:01:55,133 --> 02:01:59,137 ♪ Aah aah unforgivable but true ♪ 2644 02:02:06,362 --> 02:02:10,323 ♪ Aah aah I'm alone without you ♪ 2645 02:02:19,462 --> 02:02:22,073 [bright music] 2646 02:02:23,858 --> 02:02:27,775 [singing in foreign language] 188098

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