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I'm just gonna come out and ask you.

Who shot her in the head?

He did.

Why didn't you tell us that?

'Cause I couldn't think of it.

Now you remember it?

Tell us about that, then.

That he shot her with his .22.

- You were there, though.
- Yeah.

Where did this happen?

Outside.

Outside? Before?

Tell me when it happened.

When we brung her outside
to throw her in the fire.

OK. So, let's back up.

Brendan, we're in the bedroom yet, OK?

Where do you take her?

Take her outside
on the side of the garage and shoot her.

You take her outside
the garage and shoot her?

On the side of it, yeah.

Was she ever in the garage?

No.

We know that some things
happened in that garage

and in that car.

We know that.

You need to tell us about it
so we know you're telling us the truth.

I'm not gonna tell you what to say.
You need to tell us.

Tell us where she was shot.

In the head.

No, I mean where.
In the garage, outside, in the house?

In the garage.

OK.

After obtaining the information
that was obtained from Brendan,

we felt there might be areas
that we needed to recheck

for blood evidence, for items used
in the commission of these crimes.

Agents and investigators continue
to search the Steven Avery property.

We are searching his residence

and searching the garage
near his residence

because we now know that the garage
was part of the crime scene.

I would ask if Detective Wiegert
would bring you Exhibit 277.

Can you identify that exhibit
that's in front of you, Ms. Culhane?

Yes.

This is Crime Lab Item Designation FL,

and it is a lead bullet fragment.

In your opinion,
the cause of death here

was...

one or two gunshot wounds?

- Yes.
- To the head?

- Correct.
- Alright.

Tell the ladies
and the gentlemen of the jury

what information you have here

that allows you to conclude
that either of these gunshot wounds

occurred while the victim was alive.

That is, bullet struck bone
while that person was alive.

I was, um, given information

that there was a spent bullet
recovered at the scene

that contained the blood specimens
of, um, the decedent.

And that would be indicative to me

that the bullet had passed
through the brain

at a time where there was liquefied blood,

or that it wasn't going through
specifically bone fragments.

Um...

And I would think
that would be the predominant...

That would be information
that I think would be helpful

in making that type of opinion.

Alright.

We've certainly had testimony

that Teresa Halbach's DNA was found

on a bullet fragment.

Correct.

I, at least, recall no testimony
that Teresa Halbach's blood

was found on a bullet fragment,

but the jury will decide in the end, that.

The State established
cause of death through Dr. Jentzen,

who's a forensic pathologist
from Milwaukee.

And Dr. Jentzen testified
that Teresa Halbach died

as a result of being shot in the head.

And in his opinion, the bullet fragment,
which is FL,

passed through her brain

and ended up on Avery's garage floor.

The State presented no evidence
in the Steven Avery trial

that any other part
of Teresa Halbach's body was shot

and that the cause of death
was connected to anything

other than the bullet fragment, FL,
that was found on the floor in the garage.

Somewhere, I don't see my...
Oh, my bucket of scapulas.

This is one of three fresh scapulas,
bovine scapulas,

and as you can see by the backlighting,
that they're thinnest in here.

Things that are more comparable
to human skull,

around six millimeters,
seven, eight, even nine,

are down in here.

So, these are the areas,
or out in here, or over in here,

where I'll set up and shoot.

I'm gonna position one of these
against a block of soft tissue simulant,

at about six inches in length.

That's about the distance across a brain.

And then the second piece of bone.

If this bullet is associated with
a through-and-through shot on the victim,

it had to go through two pieces of bone,
one going in and one coming out.

I started talking to ballistic experts

about whether a .22 long rifle
could exit the skull,

and I was told it's a rare, rare event.

Because it's such a small projectile,

it doesn't have the energy
to exit the skull.

But the expert I ended up with,

and the one I think is the most
knowledgeable, told me it could happen.

But he immediately alerted me to the fact
that there should be bone fragments

in the .22 lead.

OK, gun's loaded.

Gun's safe.

Ah.

Now, we have complete passage
through the first block.

Did not go through
the second piece of bone.

This one traveled...

See how small that is at the end?

It's like a needlepoint.
The velocity is spent.

It has...

Didn't even have the ability
to make a mark.

Let me fetch that one out to look at

back at the conference room.

So, this is one of the exemplar bullets

that was shot by Luke Haag.

This brings a lot of the bullet into focus
at once.

Right here is an area
that's kind of lighter colored.

- Yes.
- And the contrast... Here's another area.

- I'll show you a better one.
- OK.

All of this is material that's
embedded into the surface of the bullet.

All of these whitish areas here.

And you can see
this is before it was washed.

- Here.
- Oh.

- So that's after?
- This is after it was washed.

So, you can see,
after the washing for DNA extraction,

there's still almost as much,
or maybe even as much,

material as we saw in the earlier image.

We'll go and take a look at this then in
the SEM, the scanning electron microscope,

where we can actually find out
what these are composed of.

So, the SEM,
this is a scanning electron microscope.

It uses electrons,
that are negatively charged particles

that are accelerated towards the surface
of your sample,

and then, as they bounce off,
two things happen:

you can collect an image from the sample,

or you can get X-rays emitted
from the sample,

which you can then analyze,

and based on their energy,
we can tell what something's made out of.

Is it composed of carbon or oxygen
or, in the case of looking for bone,

is it composed of calcium and phosphorus?

And so, this is actually the surface.

- So, you can see some texture here.
- Mm-hmm.

You can see some other texture
over here.

Yes.

By looking at the elemental data,

we can actually figure out
what something's made out of.

Which is exactly what we need to do.

And so, if we look here,
in this small image

are areas that are rich in phosphorus.

- Yes.
- And areas that are rich in calcium.

You can see
that they correspond to each other.

Yes.

And if we overlay them,

we end up with kind of a mixing
of green and red,

and we end up with these yellow areas,
which are rich in calcium and phosphor.

- That would be consistent with bone.
- With bone.

I have requested the bullet fragment FL

from the Attorney General's office,

the bullet fragment that was under
the air compressor in the garage.

The lead was examined by Sherry Culhane
for blood,

and she never noted
that there was any bone fragments.

And how did you process that bullet?

The first thing I did was,
just like every item of evidence,

it was a visual examination.

There was nothing visual on the fragment.

It was also examined by Mr. Newhouse

when he was doing his comparison
with Steven's rifle.

Is this a comparison microscope
with two fields?

Yes, it is.

You look through this microscope,
and you make an eyeball comparison

based on your judgment,
experience, and whatnot, right?

Exactly.

Here's the point.

If FL went through two layers of thickness
of her skull,

entrance, exit,

there would absolutely be bone fragments
in the lead.

What I want to do is see
what their reaction is to me telling them,

even though I can't date the blood,

that I have enough evidence
to vacate the conviction.

To see if they... Because they just
can't fathom that he's innocent.

- Really?
- Yeah.

And I think they are
two credible attorneys.

They just, I think, haven't thought
through a lot of this stuff.

It's kind of fascinating because,
in a way, it's not a case of new evidence.

I mean, we have new evidence,
but it's not gonna turn on that.

It's gonna turn on experts
that should've been called

that existed at the time.

I think after a while they really realized
this is the right thing to do.

And I think it'll happen fairly quickly.

That'll be huge because, you know,

we've got a lot of other forensic evidence
that we can dispute.

But since the bullet supposedly
caused the death,

if we can dismantle that theory
with this testing,

then I think that the conviction
has to be vacated.

Yeah, I would think these results could
cast serious doubt on everything else.

You're right,
because there's DNA found on the bullet,

so if we can refute
that it went through her skull,

then that means the DNA was planted.

There's really
no other explanation for it.

Yeah.

Kathleen Zellner is a great lawyer.

And I think she's gonna do her job,

and she's gonna get Steven out.

- Kathleen's a tough lady.
- She's very tough.

You can give her a lot of credit.

Yeah. Yeah.

But I give Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin
a lot of credit, too,

for what they've done.

The reason why we weren't
at the 7th Circuit

is because we figured that we would spend
the day with Brendan.

And that's what we did.

We listened to some of it,
but not all of it.

And I think the judges asked
good questions,

you know, to the State
and to Brendan's lawyers.

So...

I'm hoping they're more on Brendan's side
than the State's side, but...

It's a different state, different people,
so it's...

more hopeful.

Mm-hmm.

Than being here
in the state of Wisconsin. It's...

If it was in the state of Wisconsin,
there would be no chance.

Our best guess is that it will
take between six months and a year

for the 7th Circuit to rule.

The 7th Circuit Court of Appeals
is being asked to decide

whether Judge Duffin was right or wrong.

Either Judge Duffin was right,

this conviction should be overturned
and that confession should be thrown out,

or the district court was wrong,
Brendan should stay in prison.

It does not have to be
a unanimous decision.

There were three judges on that panel,

and whoever can command two votes
will win this round.

If we win, our next step will be
to seek an appeal bond

that would enable Brendan to be released

while this case continues
to drag its way through the courts.

If we lose,

the first step is to try to get
the entire 7th Circuit,

all of the judges, to hear the case.

If the 7th Circuit decides
it does not want to hear the case,

there's one more step in the process,

and that's asking
the United States Supreme Court

to review the decisions
of the 7th Circuit.

Either way, win or lose,

Laura and I will keeping fighting
until we're out of cards

to try to get Brendan home
and back with his family.

Hey, is it warm down there today?

Yeah. There's the heat advisory.

They're supposed to hand out Gatorade,
but they don't got it out here yet.

No?

Yeah, they're supposed to.
That's one of the rules.

Especially since the ice machine's
out of ice.

Again?

Yeah,
because people fill up their pitchers.

They're not supposed to do it. The guards
tell them not to, but they still do.

I keep telling the people
that fill up their pitchers,

they gotta stop doing that.

And they always tell me,
"stop complaining."

Yeah.

We're doing OK.

Some days it's tougher than others, but...

...that's expected.

We're doing OK.

It's... The waiting game sucks.

- But the waiting might be worth its while.
- Right.

It's been a long 11 years.

It's been a long year, too.

Yeah, this last year's been probably
one of the worst since the first couple.

I think the judges will do
the right decision.

I really do. I can feel it.

If it does go the wrong way,

then I think they're all in cahoots.

- Hope not.
- Because if the world knows what went on,

these judges should, too.

Did you call anybody
that morning,

like before you went to work,
or in there sometime?

Well, I called, uh...

Auto Trader.

- You called Auto Trader that morning?
- I set up the appointment.

And what did they tell you,
that somebody would come over and...

She told me, she don't know
if she got her information already.

It might be this Monday or next Monday.

OK. Who did you call, do you remember?

Auto Trader.

The office,
or did you call the photographer?

- The office.
- The office, OK.

Did you tell them it was Steve calling,
that you...

you got a car to sell or a truck to sell,
or what?

It's under Barbara's name.
I put it under her name.

OK.

Barbara's vehicle.

- Barbara's your sister.
- Yeah.

And what's her last name again? Jan...

Janda.

Janda. OK.

Steven Avery did not just come upon
Teresa Halbach by accident.

He targeted her.

Teresa is lured onto the property.

He used a different phone number.
He used a different name.

This was one of the main parts
of the prosecution,

that Teresa was lured by Steven Avery
to that property.

The State's theory

was that Steven was a sex-obsessed maniac

who lured Teresa to his property
to kill her

after setting an appointment with her,

and that he was using deception

by calling and using the name "B. Janda."

The truth is,
she knew where she was going.

At 2:27 p.m., she told Dawn Pliszka
at Auto Trader magazine

that she was on her way to the Averys'.

She had been to the Avery property
five times before October 31st,

and she had done a hustle shot
on October 10th for Steven.

A hustle shot was not an appointment
that was scheduled through Auto Trader,

but an appointment she set up herself.

So, Steven... She had given Steven
her cell phone number.

She was obviously comfortable enough
to give him her cell phone number.

You recognize the name Janda,
J-A-N-D-A, right?

That's what I could make out...

- OK.
- ...from what he had said.

And you knew that the Jandas
and the Averys

are basically the same people,
same area, right?

No, I did not.

- You didn't?
- No.

Let me show you Exhibit 19.

See if maybe this refreshes
your recollection a little bit.

So, you actually ran this report yourself.

Yes.

On, in this particular instance,

September 19th of 2005, right?

Yes.

And the very first name listed there
is Tom Janda, is it not?

Yes, it is.

And the address there,
would you read that off, please?

12930A Avery Road.

Is that the same address
that you have here on Exhibit 17,

the photo shoot that you filled out
on October 31?

Yes.

Now, you did know that Mr. Avery
had Teresa's direct phone number, right?

No, I did not.

Were you aware that he had done
a privately-arranged shoot with her

on October 10th?

I was... they...

Those were called hustle shots,

and I didn't have any information
about those,

so I wouldn't have known.

Well, since it appears that Mr. Avery
had made a private hustle arrangement

with Teresa Halbach in the past,

do you know of any reason why he couldn't
have also done that on October 31st?

Unless he would've lost her phone number,

no, I wouldn't know.

Let's put it this way.

If he had wanted to kill Teresa Halbach,

he could've simply called her directly

instead of calling your office
and leaving a red trail...

an easy trail right to his house,
couldn't he?

Yes.

Now, about 90 percent of
the shoots that the photographers do

come from Auto Trader
to the photographer?

Yes.

But there's something else

where maybe ten percent on average
of a photographer's shoots

are called "hustle shots," right?

Yes.

And those are where leads
come not from Auto Trader,

but from the photographer him-or herself.

Yes.

And there's an incentive
for photographers to do that

because they get paid more
on hustle shots, don't they?

Yes.

What was the pay
for an Auto Trader lead, typically?

Typically, 8.75.

Eight dollars
and seventy-five cents for one photo?

- One photo.
- OK.

And what about a hustle shot?

Eighteen seventy-five.

OK, and would it be fair to say

that Teresa did have a history
of using these hustle shots

for some extra income?

Sure, yes.

And maybe you'll need
to take a moment to look at these,

but what Teresa told you on these forms

is that she did 12 hustles
in these 15 days?

Correct.

And your office
would not even know about any hustle shots

unless and until the photographer
sent that information back to you

at the end of the day, right?

Yes.

So, on October 31st of 2005,

if Teresa Halbach had done a hustle shot,

you would not have known it in advance,
would you?

No.

So, bottom line is, from your records,

you don't know and cannot tell this jury

whether or not Teresa Halbach
left Mr. Avery's property on October 31

and went somewhere else
to do a hustle shot. Isn't that right?

- That's correct.
- Thank you.

One follow-up question, Ms. Schuster.

The real bottom line is,
if Ms. Halbach was killed by Mr. Avery,

she couldn't have done any hustle shots
after that, could she?

That would be correct.

The point of the hustle shot
is that the State wants to argue

and, in fact, put out into the media

as quickly as November 4th,
and maybe even November 3rd,

that Steven Avery was the last person
to see her,

when they didn't know that,
and they don't know that to this day.

Can we expect to maybe see
evidence of a hustle shot

or another phone call following that,
possibly?

I think you can figure it out
for yourself.

If...

If we're saying that someone else
did the hustle shot,

or she got a hustle shot
with someone else,

do you think that person
would come forward with evidence?

But the hustle shot
would've likely...

Wouldn't it have been arranged
through her cell phone?

Or they would wave her down.

That's that girl from Auto Trader.
"Hey, can you...?"

As we showed,

there's evidence that she actually did do
hustle shots just like that.

My goal is to undermine
confidence in the verdict.

I don't have to show
what actually happened,

but I want to know what happened to her.

Because I think it's a disgrace.

I think it's a disgrace to someone's life
and their memory

that nobody cared enough to do this work,

to figure out what did happen to them

and who did it.

We started constructing
about a six-week pattern

of Teresa Halbach's activities
from the cell phone towers.

And we started noticing
that there was a consistency

with her travel and the accuracy
of the cell phone towers.

So, even though there's some debate
among cell phone tower experts

that it can't be that accurate,

her calls are dead on
with where her appointments are.

We're seeing an accuracy
as she's traveling around.

We can see it in the cell phone towers.

Why is that important?

It's important because
it sets up a time frame

of when we think she was at Avery's
and when she left Avery's.

So, at 2:24 p.m.,
we know on the cell phone tower

that she's around the Zipperers',
but then she heads north.

2:27 p.m. to 2:31 p.m., she's on the phone

with Dawn Pliszka at
Auto Trader magazine,

and Teresa reported
she was on her way to the Avery's.

And then she's pulling up
to the Avery property at 2:31 p.m.

You're outside, she's outside,

and you pay her $40.

OK. And then what happens?

Then she give me the book, shut the door.

I walk toward the house.

I put the book by the computer.

Mm-hmm.

I came back out.

And I was gonna go walk over by Bobby...

but then his vehicle was gone.

You walk in the house,
put the magazine down,

you come out and Bobby's vehicle is gone?

- Bobby's vehicle was gone.
- OK.

Then I looked up by the road
and I seen her.

She was almost by the end of the road.

- She had her signal light to turn.
- Teresa, you mean? OK.

Which signal light did she have on,
right or left?

- The left.
- The left.

She was going towards the I-system.

Our theory is,
Teresa leaves the Avery property

and makes a left turn.

I believe that Teresa was heading home
that afternoon

because we found a day planner
that she'd filled in for the 31st,

and one thing that it indicated

was that she wanted to go
to her mother's house before 3:00 p.m.

And so, she was on a schedule
to be back in Hilbert

on or before 3:00 p.m.

Her route home, what she would've done
is take a left on Q

and headed south on Q.

The last call, the call that she forwards
when her phone is still active,

is made at 2:41.

That call pings off a cell phone tower
miles away from the Avery property,

the Whitelaw tower.

So, she's clearly on her way home

when she hits that call-forward button
at 2:41.

I believe the cell phones place her
in the vicinity of Kuss Road.

Kuss Road leads into the quarry.

Could she have had something set up
at the quarry to do a shot?

Or if someone saw her,

they could've just flagged her down
to do a hustle shot.

Could something have happened?

Someone made a pass at her,

some reason that she decided to leave?

Because she's struck
and knocked on the ground,

and then hit on the head,
and then ultimately shot.

Yes.

It definitely...
It could've happened that way.

It happened very quickly.

I'm sure disposing of the body
took much longer than the actual murder.

On the south side of Kuss Road,
before you get on Radandt's property,

is a wooded area.

Remember, that's where the scent dogs

ran over to the suspected burial site.

Law enforcement determines
that it's not a burial site.

But what they failed to think about is,

because the scent dogs ran over

and a cadaver dog alerted on that spot,

isn't it possible that Teresa's car,
with her body,

was parked in there for a few hours
before she's burned?

Or is she laid out on the soil
and maybe just barely covered up?

It's not a place
anyone would've been looking.

No one even knows she's gone.

The Kuss Road entrance is isolated.

It's the entrance
into the Radandt side of the quarry,

but you can access the Manitowoc side
from there.

It's a very desolate place.

It is the place where
you would kill someone.

How far is Kuss?

We'll follow this until we get to Q,

which I want to say is then a left on Q.

Where's this go to?

It goes into the quarry.

So, from the end of the cul-de-sac,
if you go straight east,

you actually hit Steven's trailer.

Did you get an impression
how far off the road it was?

Because the dogs just come like a beeline.

Do you think it was out in here?

- I know that this area was taped off.
- Yeah.

So maybe not that far back.

Most of the photographs taken
were from the road itself.

- From the road.
- Can't see anything.

- You can't.
- Wouldn't have to be that deep.

Let's try to come in from that angle

and then see if we can...

See that... there's kind of a...

- Clearing out there?
- Yeah, a clearing.

- You want me to check it out?
- Yeah.

I can go in a little bit, but...

See, I also thought maybe this possibly...

the car was ditched back here.

Like, if you pulled it back in there.

I just don't think...

So, we're saying, like,
before they even know she's missing,

if you got it pulled into here,
you'd never see it.

No.

Why don't we go up?

Steven was thinking there was
a dumping ground back here

where the car could've been pulled in.

Hmm.

So, I don't know.

I mean...

I think he was talking about
the grade dropping off back here.

So, if you brought it inside,
down that way.

Yeah. And in October or November of 2005,
this berm wasn't here.

There was a track that ran along the field
all the way to Steven's trailer.

Right, because the trailer
is right over there, right?

- Can you see it?
- Yeah.

- Maybe 200 yards.
- Right.

- It was a straight shot in.
- Yeah.

Yeah.

- You're home.
- Yeah.

Do you feel better being home?

- Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- That's good.

I talked to Steven this morning.

Was that the first time you've
talked since you got home Wednesday?

Mm-hmm. That I talked to Steven.

He must've been happy, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

- Yeah, because he was...
- I couldn't wait to get home.

That's what Steven said.
He thought if you got home, you'd be OK.

- Yeah.
- You know?

So, it's good. Now you're back.

Yeah, I can do therapy by myself.
I don't need nobody.

I'm sure you're way better
than you were a week ago.

- Oh, yeah, a lot better.
- And by next week, you'll be even better.

- And then, ultimately...
- Ready to dance.

You're gonna be ready to
dance. You're gonna be dancing all over.

- I'll come back, and you'll be dancing.
- Yeah.

It's good you got all of them helping you.

- Huh?
- It's good you got all of them helping.

Oh, yeah, I got enough help.

Did anything happen yet?

Soon?

I can't tell you...

I'm not gonna tell you when, I know when.

But you have to figure we haven't
just been, like, lollygagging around.

- Mm-hmm.
- So...

The first postconviction attorneys
worked on it 900 days.

Wow.

I've been on it 400. So we've been on it
half the amount of time.

But you can't just throw
something together.

I mean, you can throw it together,
and you go nowhere.

You know? And everybody else has lost.

Everyone else has lost this thing.

I know. It takes a lot.
This is the last time. Last shot.

Yeah, but I got it all covered.

I got every single detail covered.

- That's good.
- There's nothing for you to worry about.

You just want to be able to dance soon.

You're gonna need to dance. OK?

Alright, well, I'm gonna go,
but I'll be in touch with you.

- Great.
- Great, thank you.

Yeah. You'll be hearing from me.

When the truth comes out,
people will know I didn't do it.

That's what I got
the good attorney for, you know?

She's gonna get
to the bottom of this and...

You figure, the killer's still out there.

He could have did it again.

Just like my last case.

If he was caught,
he wouldn't have raped another woman.

So that crime wouldn't have happened.

So, this is what I think
is most likely wood.

So, he's saying, Jeff,
some of that stuff is wood.

OK.

I guess that makes sense
in the garage.

Yeah.

Some of the wood particles
look more like solid wood,

and some of it looks more like pressboard
or plywood or something.

We're gonna conduct an analysis,

and we'll get to see if we have
any calcium or phosphorus.

OK.

I mean, if there are particles there,

then there should at least be some
that are big enough that,

at this resolution, we can detect it.

So, these particles are maybe ten microns.

So, that's an eighth of your...
Of a head hair, ballpark.

I'll pull the spectrum up.

I mean, there is a peak where calcium is.

There's no phosphorus peak.

Because the calcium
could be from the cement.

It could be from all sorts of stuff.

If you take a sample of dust
from somebody's garage floor...

If you take a sample of dust,
you're usually gonna find calcite in it.

It's kind of one of those ubiquitous
components of dust.

You really need to see both.

If it's... If there's a lot based
on that bullet, then...

The whole case.

That is the cause of death,
that fragment we have.

- Well, you now know that it isn't.
- Yeah.

In fact, there is something there,
and what's there is the wrong stuff.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

But you were able to detect
all of this stuff,

but you weren't able to detect the bone.

The one thing that should be there
under that theory...

And based on looking at them both

by stereomicroscopy
and electron microscopy,

completely different texture,

what we're seeing in the questioned bullet

versus what we see
in Luke's control shots,

and we don't see any of
the calcium and phosphorus together,

in the questioned bullet.

I'm telling you, we cannot duplicate
anything they did, OK?

With the DNA. We just can't.

- With the hood swatch.
- Yeah.

All of this, you say,
is going towards a hearing first?

Yes. Yeah, we have a 300-page petition,
because I have ten experts.

- But she's gonna grant the hearing.
- Hope the judge is a speed reader.

Yeah. But it's pretty compelling reading.

Because I think we explain the timeline
and what happened

and where the investigation went
off track,

how the evidence got planted,
all of that stuff.

I mean, we've got great experts on it.

But this is critical because
this is the cause of death.

- Everything else is kind of windowed...
- Punitive cause.

When you get somebody
to lock in like that,

and then you can test what they say,
and it comes up short, then...

Right.

What a plot they've weaved.

It's so messed up for them.

Thank God I called
that guy Luke Haag.

Yeah. He's amazing.

We never would have thought of this.

He's gonna love this.

This could flip the whole case, though,
just this one piece of evidence.

Alright...

I think this is it.

You know, we've examined the fragment
that supposedly went through her head,

and we know it didn't.

Mm-hmm.

So, it just seems like...
I just feel like I should go for it.

I never...
I try not to second-guess myself.

Don't you feel that way
at this point, like it's...?

Well, it seems like unless...

I know you're always thinking,
so if something else comes to you,

then I think that would be a reason
for a delay, a further delay.

But if not, then, uh...

it does seem, based on what you described,
that it should be filed soon.

I don't think it'll get any better
than this, you know?

No one's gonna come forward
and confess to the murder now.

Maybe that...

But the way we've seen it
in these other cases,

even if they did, you know,

they'll think of some way
not to credit that confession.

So, the best way is always
with the forensic evidence.

So, you know, it's kind of like
you go off the end of the diving board

and you hope
there's water below you and...

Because he's gonna be 55 on July 9th,

so I don't want to wait.

You brought all three, right?

Good luck.

- Hi, how are you?
- Good.

- What can I help you with?
- Yeah, we want to file.

OK, I'm gonna have one of the criminal
clerks come up and help you, OK?

Yeah.

We just want to file a petition.

Have you worked here a long time?

Thirty-seven years.

Oh, my gosh.

It's a pretty courthouse.

- It is one of the nicer ones.
- Yeah, very.

At least the weather's nice.

Last time we were here,
it was snowing and wet and rainy.

Nicer day for a ride.

Alright.

- Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
- You're welcome. Thank you.

See if you can pass it. Can you...?

Yeah, why don't you guys go through?
Because it's...

- You OK with that, Kathryn?
- Yep.

OK. Alright.

- OK. Thank you.
- OK.

Probably I should take one set.

So, right now, we've got one for the AG,
the judge...

And I don't want you to send them out
until tomorrow.

- You're going to the Averys' now?
- Yeah.

- Is that all of them?
- Yeah. Wait, no.

Ma'am, if you'd like,
this one's available right now.

And then...

Yeah. Hang on.

Oh, yeah, she just walked in the door.

Just wonderful.

- Did you want to talk to her?
- Hi.

You knew I wouldn't let you down?

Oh, you bet I knew that.
You bet I knew that.

So, here it is. There you are.

Nice to meet you. Thank you.

That's his chair.

- That's his chair.
- Oh, sorry.

It's nice to meet you. Gosh.

- There's Earl.
- There's Earl.

Can you hear us?

- Yeah.
- So, finally we're off to the races.

- Yes.
- Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, I think I slept
pretty good last night.

Yeah, you probably slept better
than we did.

It was just this morning when I woke up,
I said, "Oh, man, it's too early yet!"

I bet. What time did you wake up?

A little after 4:00.

Yeah, then it was 4:30,
then it was 5:00, then it was 5:30.

I said, "Oh, my God,
it's taking too long!"

I know. I know, it seemed like forever,
didn't it, just getting to today?

You were quiet this time.
You didn't tell anyone.

- Not even to his mother.
- No.

"One of these days," he'd say.

- "One of these days."
- "One of these days."

So, probably, the other inmates,

they'll probably hear
that we filed tonight.

Oh, yeah. I bet you when I come back
from work tonight at 6:00,

they'll be, "I seen you on TV."

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's only a couple of them,
they say I ain't going nowhere.

Yeah, right.

Most of them, you know, they say,
"Yeah, go for it, go for it.

Get 'em, get 'em, get 'em!"

- Yeah. One minute.
- One minute?

Yeah.

- Call me later otherwise.
- Huh?

Can you call your mom back later?

Yeah, tonight.

- OK, good.
- Yeah, good.

Yeah.

- Bye-bye, Steven.
- Bye. Love you.

Yeah, I love you, too.

Bye.

Alright.

OK.

You filed that?

- Today.
- Today?

How long did that take?

Until... Yeah, she was like...

She was stamping it.
The clerk was, like, stamping it.

I go, "OK, so, I want to file this."
So I put the first one up.

Then I just keep handing them to her.
She's going like this.

Manitowoc County loves us.

- Oh, I know. Yeah, they do.
- Yeah.

Good thing I can't drive anymore.

But you can read all this.

I didn't want you to think
I was goofing around.

- Here's proof.
- He might read one of these a night.

Yeah, just read through it.

And it's got all the exhibits attached.
It tells you everything that happened.

It's been nearly a year and a half
since Steven Avery got a new lawyer

who claimed she would exonerate him.

Almost 1,300 pages.

We were only able
to look at it for a few minutes,

as it's not being distributed en masse
just yet.

Overloading the staff here
at the Milwaukee County Courthouse...

Manitowoc County Courthouse,
including us.

The goal of
the more than 1,200-page motion

is to get Steven Avery a new trial.

The bullet fragment found
in Avery's garage

was not shot through
Teresa Halbach's head.

Also, the defense attorney
points the finger to someone else

who knew Teresa Halbach.

It's a bombshell allegation
suggesting the real killer

may actually have been a former boyfriend
of Teresa Halbach.

Ineffective counsel during trial,
new evidence,

ethical violations
by prosecutor Ken Kratz,

Brady violations, which means prosecutors
failed to disclose evidence.

That's exactly what
Steven Avery's attorneys did today.

Obviously, the State will have a chance
to go through this.

I'll wonder why he's not
going to bed. He'll be reading.

- He will, too.
- He knows you'll read that.

When I get done, you can go home.

You can read it all night.

He'll be here for a week.

He takes his glasses off
to see it.

So, when do you think
he's gonna get out? Soon?

What we gotta do
is see what their reaction is.

I mean, it's not a big deal
if they try to dismiss it. That's typical.

But we're in a dialogue with them

about trying to cut to the chase of...

I think we'll just move towards
an evidentiary hearing.

So, we'll see what they're willing to do,
you know?

Yeah...

I hope something happens.

It will.

It will.

You know, it's like the first time

when Kocourek says,
"I don't care if you did this or not.

I'm gonna get you for it." You know?

Yeah, that's how they start. Right.

And he did do...

Eighteen years that poor boy sat there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Unreal.

Hmm.