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[BRENDAN] Yesterday...
Yesterday I was at rec.

I was coming back from rec,

and a dragonfly almost
landed on my shoulder.

[BARB] Oh, yeah?

[BRENDAN] Yeah.

Me and this other guy were
talking, and it just landed on me.

[SCOTT] Yeah, but that's
your symbol, Brendan.

[BRENDAN] Yeah, I know.

[BARB] That means change is coming.

[BRENDAN] Yeah.

[DOG BARKING]

[LAURA] People are used
to not having hope.

And when suddenly a door
opens and there is light

and there is this possibility,

and people start thinking, you know,

"Maybe I'm gonna get my baby back."

That's a very hard moment in a case

because that's when
emotions start to run high.

The rediscovery of hope can
be a really hard moment.

Brendan's been incarcerated
for ten years,

and suddenly he gets a whiff of
what it might mean to be free.

In a way, this moment is
almost crueler than the wait,

because now there's hope that
could still be taken away.

You know, prosecutors
dedicate their lives

to putting people behind bars,

but the fascinating thing is, the
prosecutors never get a chance,

or rarely get a chance, to
actually talk to those people.

They really are, sort of,
names on a page to them.

And that's how the system
is designed, you know?

But they never get the chance
to see the humanity in people.

One of the defense attorney's credos is,

"You are more than the worst
thing you've ever done."

And in Brendan's case,

you know, more than the
worst thing you didn't do.

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[STEVEN] Only Lynn's in my mind now.

Next month, she'll be up to see me.

And that'll be the first
time I met her in person.

With Lynn, I feel everything is there.

She wants somebody where she can
relax for the rest of her life,

you know, with a good man.

No arguing, no fighting, no nothing.

Just by that, you know,
that's what I want.

I want somebody who's gonna
be there, who loves me,

and will take it all the way to the end.

When you get involved with me,
you got a lot of attention

and all this other stuff,

and I asked her about that sometimes.

I just tell her, "Don't worry about

what everybody's saying
on the Internet."

[CHRIS SPARGO] Steven has become
the world's strangest sex symbol.

He's receiving, according
to some reports,

up to 40 letters a week in prison

from women lining up
to be his next wife.

Steven Avery became engaged to
this beautiful, statuesque blonde.

They began speaking through
love letters to one another

and then they started talking...

[CHRIS'S VOICE FADES]

The last few months have
been more difficult

than our relationship over the years.

And most of it is
because of these women.

And I've tried to be understanding

and realize that he's
never had this before,

he's never had this attention before,

and just try to sit
back and let it happen,

whatever he wants to do about this.

But I try to protect
him, and I try to...

I say, "I've been protecting
you for over ten years,

and I'm still doing it."

You know, trying to protect
him from the people out there

that don't have good motives.

[STEVEN] I'm kind of lost
right now with Sandy.

She tells me that she loves me, and
she was sorry for what she did,

you know, trying to break it off
and everything else, and...

I don't know.

It's hard for me that I
know that she's hurting.

You know, I want to be
Sandy's friend forever.

Because she helped me,
so I want to help her.

OK. That's good.

[SIGHS]

I never had so many flowers.

Wait. Where's my glasses?

I think they're in the car.

Oh.

[BRITTANY] Are these all birthday cards?

Yeah. So...

[BRITTANY] Wow.

[DOLORES] This is from Steven.

"Happy birthday, Mom. I love
you and miss you a lot.

I will be home OK."

Wait. "Home soon."

"I love you, Mom. You are
the best mom in the world.

I love you, Mom.

It will be better in 2017."

- I love you.
- I love you, too.

Bye. Happy birthday.

Yeah, thank you.

- Tell Steven I say hi.
- Yeah.

It's a great day today.

We're going to see Steven.

Oh, look at your hair!

That's so cute.

[KAYLA] Did you go get
your prescription filled

that I told you to go get filled?

- [DOLORES] Yep.
- [KAYLA] Alright.

[KAYLA] You took one this morning?

[DOLORES] No, not the
pain one, I didn't.

But I maybe took that other
one, what I had before.

- I can't take both of them for pain.
- [KAYLA] No.

No, you'd be wacky tabacky.

[DOLORES] Yeah.

Today's not the day I want to get wacky.

[KAYLA LAUGHS] No.

Steven will look at you like,
"What is wrong with you?"

[LAUGHING]

[WOMAN] Hi, can I help you?

[KAYLA] Hi. Can I get a Sausage
McMuffin with egg, with no cheese?

Don't take all that out. I
counted that this morning.

How much is in here?

Right about...

12, 13, 14...

[LAUGHING]

I don't know.

[KAYLA] Oh, yeah, that's
a watch. I wonder. Here.

[DOLORES] I can't take that in there.

[KAYLA] You could probably
take this bracelet in there.

- [DOLORES] No.
- [KAYLA] No?

Well, a lot of people are
wishing you a happy birthday.

These are the pictures that I posted.

- I got my tongue out?
- [KAYLA LAUGHS] Yeah.

[DOLORES CHUCKLES] Oh, my God.

[KAYLA] Come on.

[DOLORES] Oh, my God.

- [KAYLA] You steady?
- Yeah.

Make sure the door's locked.

[BARB] So, are you ready to come home?

[BRENDAN] Yeah, I am.

[BARB] Yeah.

I'm ready, too.

[BRENDAN] Yeah.

The State has until September 11th

to say that they're gonna
appeal the case or let me go.

- [BARB] Really?
- [BRENDAN] Yeah.

We should hear something
on the news, right?

- [SCOTT] Yep.
- [BARB] Yeah.

[BRENDAN] The only way that
they can appeal it is, like...

they don't think the judge did a

sound job on his decision or whatever,

but I read it, it sounded sound to me.

[BARB] So, your attorneys are
gonna call me, too, right?

[BRENDAN] Yeah, they said
they're gonna let you know

if anything happens or whatever.

[BARB] OK.

Mom can't wait.

[DOG BARKING]

[BRENDAN] Yeah, I can't, either.

So far, I got about one-and-a-half
boxes full of my property, so...

[SCOTT] You're cleaning house, huh?

[BRENDAN] Yeah, like dominoes.

I could probably donate
that to the unit.

[BARB] Well, don't give it all away yet.

[BRENDAN] Yeah, I know.
I'll wait until they, like,

say that I'm going home

or whatever they'll say.

I'll ask them if I can
donate it to the unit.

Brendan's odds of getting a

successful habeas corpus
petition were low,

and I was surprised by
Judge Duffin's ruling.

So, I guess that's
Brendan's good fortune.

Judge Duffin took a few potshots at me.

His comments about my performance,

on certain things being indefensible,

I respectfully disagree.

So, in a sense, I was relieved

that he found that the portions
that were alleged to be ineffective

were not valid arguments for
giving Dassey a new trial.

And I was kind of relieved that he found

that there was a legitimate issue

on the voluntariness of the confession.

[LEN] I mean, I'm the one that
laid the foundation for that.

I filed the motion to suppress.

We litigated it pretty thoroughly,

including the school
psychological records

and the transcript of the
interrogation and so forth.

So, I thought I did my job.

[CAT MEOWS]

The man who prosecuted the cases against

Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey

is speaking exclusively
to Action 2 News.

Emily Matesic sits down with Ken Kratz,

who told us about his reaction
to the overturned conviction.

[EMILY] Like many following
the cases against

Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey,

former Calumet County
District Attorney Ken Kratz,

who led the prosecution of both men,

was surprised to hear Dassey's
conviction had been overturned

by a federal magistrate.

To be sitting on the sideline
with the rest of the citizenry

and only being able to sit back
and just hear what happens

from the news agencies or something else

is an awkward, uncomfortable
position for me, personally.

[EMILY] If it were up to him,

Kratz says the logical thing
to do is file an appeal.

[LAURA] The State has three
basic options right now.

First, they could release Brendan,

and that could happen at any time.

Their second option is to
initiate a retrial of Brendan.

If they choose to do that,

they have to begin those
proceedings within 90 days.

And then their third option would be to

appeal this ruling that just came down,

granting Brendan's petition
for a writ of habeas corpus.

If they do appeal that ruling, then
everything else gets put on hold

while that appeal goes forward.

[NEWSCASTER] In a tweet last
month, Kathleen Zellner promised,

"a tsunami of new
evidence is on the way."

Through her tweets, Zellner
hints at her case:

planted evidence, cell phone
tower records and DNA samples.

She even hints at a new suspect.

Zellner is expected to file a motion

in the case as early as Thursday.

Supporters of Steven
Avery waiting outside

the Manitowoc County Courthouse

for a second day,

waiting to hear appeals lawyer
Kathleen Zellner's alternate theory

of the death of Teresa Halbach.

[REPORTER] The small crowd gathering at

the Manitowoc County Courthouse

is hopeful, hopeful that tweets and
Facebook posts have some truth,

and Steven Avery's attorney,
Kathleen Zellner, is coming to town.

No sign of Zellner today.

It didn't happen today.

We'll have to wait until tomorrow

to see if Avery's attorney,
Kathleen Zellner,

will be filing a new motion in the case.

I will be here tomorrow morning,
bright and early at 8:30,

when the courthouse opens.

Reporting live in Manitowoc,
Gabrielle Mays, Fox 11 News.

You can't disrupt this office.
We are open for business.

We're just gonna go in order.
One camera crew at a time.

[OVERLAPPING CHATTER]

- Three, four, five, six, seven...
- [CAMERAMAN] Like you're talking.

- Like I'm talking on TV or just talking?
- [CAMERAMAN] Yeah.

[KATHLEEN] I think the best thing is

maybe if we pull in the parking lot.

Then we've got to get out,
though, and walk further.

[EDDIE ZEGAR] What if I just
drop you off in front of...

[KATHLEEN] See, the problem is,
they're just gonna mob me.

I think what we do is pull in
next to Scott in the parking lot

and then we get out.

One guy in front, two on either
side, and I'm in the middle.

It's like a little triangle,
and we're inside of it, right?

[EDDIE] That's how Elvis used
to come into the concert.

- Really?
- [EDDIE] Yeah.

They had him surrounded by guys.

Yeah, that's what you do. It's like...

[EDDIE] So you're Elvis?

I'm Elvis now.

[BOTH LAUGH]

It's ridiculous.

[KATHLEEN] When I did a
case once in Indiana,

it was so crazy, they
were climbing on the car.

[LAUGHING] I'm so excited!

[WOMAN] Give me a hug.

I'm Steven's cousin, yes.

And I can't get this smile off my face.

I am so excited. I'm so happy.

I will stand behind Steven
110 percent, until the end.

Free them! Innocent!

- [COLLEEN HENRY] Welcome to Wisconsin.
- Yes, thank you.

What are you here to do?

Uh, there we go.

OK. What am I here to do?

I'm here to file a motion
for new scientific testing.

Can you talk about what
kind of... Is this DNA?

Are you talking about the testing on the

preservative that was related to...

No, no, there's many more tests.

Let me file it and I'll come
back out and we can talk.

- Did you bring extra copies, by chance?
- We did.

Excellent. You're a pro, I guess.

[COLLEEN] This is something
that you could've done via fax,

I understand from the clerk.

Is there a reason you felt it
was important to be here today?

[KATHLEEN] Yes. It's such an
important motion for the case.

[COURT GUARD] Back up a little.

[SCOTT PANEK] Room, please.

[WOMAN] Thank you, Kathleen.

[KATHLEEN] Hello.

I'm Kathleen Zellner.
Yeah, nice to meet you.

OK, so, we want to get a bunch of...

- That's the original.
- That's the original? OK.

This one doesn't have...

It's... We lost the cover.

[CLERK] Doesn't matter.

Yeah. We'll take it with us.

[REPORTER] What did you just file?

[KATHLEEN] We just filed a motion
for new scientific testing.

Why don't I go out instead
of being pinned in here?

- [COURT GUARD] Probably outside is best.
- Yeah, don't you think? Yeah.

[KATHLEEN] Yeah, let's
just go back outside.

[REPORTER] Can you say something...

[KATHLEEN] Let's go outside, OK?

So we're not interfering
with court business.

[OVERLAPPING CHATTER]

Is everyone out? Yeah, step back.
Everyone step back. Come on.

OK. So, your question probably
is, "What did I just file?"

I filed a motion for
new scientific testing

on the Steven Avery case.

We're requesting to test dozens
of items from the crime scene.

I think this will be the most

comprehensive testing motion ever filed

in the state of Wisconsin,

probably one of the most
comprehensive motions

ever filed in the United States.

There were many, many items

that should've been
DNA-tested that weren't.

So, for us, the case is amazing,

how much forensic evidence
there is that can be tested.

For the public, I think
the most reassuring thing

is that we are gonna get to the
bottom of who killed Teresa Halbach.

And we firmly believe
that we will establish

that it was not Steven Avery.

So, anyway, that's all I have to say.

We have copies, though. You have copies?

Why don't you hand those out?

- [REPORTER] Thank you, Miss Zellner.
- Yes. You'll enjoy reading it.

If the tests come back and it shows
that that blood is from 2005...

Gee, that'll be the
risk that we're taking.

Every client I represent, I tell them,

"You want to be innocent
when you hire me

because I'll get to the bottom
of it with the testing."

So, Mr. Avery has encouraged
us to do all of these tests.

But remember, there are a lot
of things planted in this.

So we're not just talking blood,
we're talking buccal swabs.

There's a lot of different
variations on this.

Um, so, that's the problem.

If you do something...

If you did plant the evidence,

that science is gonna catch up with you,

and that's what we're gonna see in this.

So you're gonna have to wait
until everything is back

before Steve can even be
considered to be released?

I don't imagine it will take
that long once we get the tests

because he never made any
incriminating statements.

- That's right.
- Alright?

So, you're down to the
evidence at the crime scene.

You're down to the key, the hood latch,

the blood in the RAV and the bullet.

[REPORTER] Does this go to
a hearing? Do you know...

- OK, let's go. I gotta go.
- [KURT] No more questions.

Bye-bye. See you soon.

- Miss Zellner?
- Yeah.

- I'm Steven's cousin, Kim.
- Oh, hi. Nice to meet you.

- You, too.
- [KATHLEEN] Yeah.

- Thank you so much for everything.
- OK.

[KATHLEEN] We'll just let
the science tell us.

No need to be speculating.

- Kathleen, can I just give you this?
- [MAN] Here, I got it.

I'm Brad Davis, Dateline NBC.

- You've been speaking with Andrea Canning.
- Sure, OK.

- I just wanted to introduce myself.
- Yeah, OK.

You got the motion. Thanks.

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

[STEVEN] If there's a
test, I want it done.

The tests will tell the truth.

When you're innocent,

you want everything done.

You ain't scared of nothing.

- [BRENDAN] Hello?
- [BARB] Hello, dear.

How you doing?

- [BRENDAN] I'm doing alright.
- [BARB] OK.

[BRENDAN] Nothing on the news today?

[SCOTT] Sure was.

[BARB] Yeah. They're appealing it.

[BRENDAN] I didn't see it on the news.
Must've missed it, then.

What channel was it on?

[BARB] Channel 2, Channel 11...

[NEWSCASTER] Brendan Dassey will not
be leaving prison anytime soon.

[SECOND NEWSCASTER] Wisconsin
Attorney General Brad Schimel

filing an appeal in federal court
challenging a judge's ruling

which overturned Dassey's
conviction and prison sentence.

Attorney General Brad Schimel says

he believes the federal court decision

to overturn Dassey's
conviction is wrong.

[THIRD NEWSCASTER] Attorney
General Brad Schimel

called the decision to
overturn the conviction,

"wrong on the facts and
wrong on the law,"

citing two previous state court rulings

that upheld Dassey's confession.

The decision is now in the hands

of the 7th Circuit Court
of Appeals in Chicago.

Schimel says the Halbach
family supports the appeal.

[BRENDAN] They don't got nothing on me.

They should just frickin' let me go.

[BARB] The State knows
that you're innocent.

They're just fucking you, that's all.

They're probably gonna
just try holding you

until as long as they can.

I'll call Laura later and
find out what's what.

I just... I want...

[SCOTT] There's just been
too much shit, Brendan.

[BARB] Yeah.

The news media and all that. I
had to get out of the house.

[BRENDAN] Aren't you going up north?

- [SCOTT] We're sitting here right now.
- [BARB] We're sitting here.

[BARB] I didn't even take a shower.

I grabbed my shit and
out the door we went.

[BRENDAN] Yeah.

[BARB] You hang in there, OK?

- [BRENDAN] I will.
- [SCOTT] It'll get better.

[BRENDAN] Yeah.

I was hoping it would come true...

that I'd wake up and
he'd be right there.

You know, like a surprise.

They get your hopes up and then
they slap you in the face again.

Feels almost as bad as the first time.

We're asking Judge Duffin
to grant Brendan bond,

to give him his freedom
during the State's appeal.

The court will be looking
at a number of factors:

whether the State is likely
to succeed in its appeal,

whether Brendan will be harmed

if he's kept in prison
during the appeal,

whether Brendan is a danger to
society, whether he's a flight risk,

whether he's somebody that the
court needs to worry about or not.

Laura Nirider, Brendan's
attorney, came to me

about writing a release
plan in Brendan's case

in connection with a motion
for bond that she was filing.

My role is to help Brendan and his
family address the challenges

that Brendan may face
when he is released.

And I think it is also a way to
help the court feel comfortable

knowing where he is
going to be sleeping,

living, who he's going to be with,

the types of programming he's
going to be involved in.

[BRENDAN] I might have to get a
job at first, though, right?

[BARB] We'll see.

You know you're gonna have to
go, like, to therapy and stuff.

- [BRENDAN] Yeah?
- [BARB] Yeah.

[BRENDAN] How often would
that be? Once a month?

[BARB] I don't know, hon.

It depends on how well
you take to the outside.

You're used to their system,
how they run things there.

Out here, you can do what you want.

You don't have to ask
somebody to do it, you know?

[BRENDAN] I gotta stay with you
guys, you know, after I get out,

if I get out on that appeals bond.

[BARB] Well, you should
ask her about it.

Most wrongfully convicted individuals
have a distrust of the system,

or of people in general,

and it takes time to be able
to build that trust up again

due to the injustices that
they've had to suffer.

And what is unique about
Brendan is that he has trust.

He's able to develop
relationships with others,

and he seems to be trusting
of others very easily.

[BRENDAN] I had a dream that I was

at the courthouse there in Milwaukee,

'cause that's where
Magistrate Duffin is from.

And Mike Halbach and his
mom were in the elevator.

[BARB] Really?

[BRENDAN] Yeah. And he said something,

and then I said, "Déjà vu."

He's like, "What did you say?"

[LAUGHS]

[BARB] Huh.

[BRENDAN] Yeah, it's weird.

That's, like, the first dream I
remember from... for a while.

If the Halbachs could meet
Brendan and speak with him,

I think they would think differently.

- [SCOTT] Have a change of heart.
- Have a change of heart.

When this all went down,

I asked Mark Wiegert, how many times,

if I could speak with
Teresa's mom, Karen.

- They wouldn't let her.
- And they wouldn't let me.

He's gotten pictures,

books, banners from all over the place.

And when he does come home,
he's got a big 43-inch.

Because somebody bought
him a flat-screen TV.

Right there.

This, also, somebody made him.

Yeah, this will be his room

after a while.

[ROBERT DVORAK] The
State obviously has an

interest in protecting the public.

The public has an interest
in being protected.

However, the habeas statute relating
to bail creates a presumption

that if a habeas is granted that
the person should be released.

So, there's a presumption
in favor of release.

When the motion for release
on bail was filed,

part of that motion, for example,

we included Brendan's prison records.

And it showed that for the
16-year-old that went to prison,

and has been in prison for ten years,

he had three minor violations.

One was for having an extra
packet of ramen noodles.

One was for having some Scotch
tape on a checkerboard.

One was using a prison form

to keep score of a card
game they were playing.

He was described as someone who
was cooperative with staff.

Um, there have been zero
problems with this kid.

I mean, the case law is clear
in terms of impact on Brendan.

Any day that someone spends in prison

that he shouldn't be in prison,

that person suffers irreparable harm.

I love this drive over to the prison.

I've never seen so much agriculture.

It's beautiful.

[CLEARS THROAT]

At first, I felt compelled,
deeply compelled, to contact him

and try to offer some
kind of support for him

while he was in this situation.

And after the first
letter, he got back to me

and asked if I would like to
receive phone calls from him.

To be honest with you, had I not been

in the situation that I was in,

I was going through a divorce...

He was offering support to me,
and I needed that at that time.

In any other circumstance,

I would not have been looking for
a pen pal in prison, of course.

Especially since my ex-husband is

a law enforcement officer of 30 years.

So, it was like, the exact opposite

of what my life was before.

I don't even know if I'll get
in there without crying first.

It's so hard to leave him there

knowing they're gonna take him
back to this five-by-five cell

for something he hasn't done.

It's not right, and that the...

the person who committed this
crime is still out there.

He needs my help. He
needs everybody's help.

I wanted to be a part of it.

I don't really know how
to explain it. I just...

I knew in my soul...

it was gonna be a part of my life.

And I knew that if there was
another season of the documentary,

that I was going to be in
it as Steven's girlfriend.

[WOLF WHISTLE]

[CAR HORN HONKS]

[STEVEN] The first
moment that I saw her,

I felt that my feelings
with all of that was right.

I gave her a hug, a big kiss,

you know, big French kiss.

Everything felt good.

I feel when I look in her eyes that
she had a bad life just like me.

It's been taken from her, and
mine's been taken from me.

I never felt like this
that I feel with her.

[NEWSCASTER] Steven Avery,

the star of the Netflix
docuseries Making a Murderer,

is engaged to be married.

The 53-year-old has been
exchanging letters and phone calls

with Las Vegas legal secretary
Lynn Hartman for eight months.

Their relationship has been kept secret

because Hartman was threatened
online by people claiming

she was only marrying
Avery for fame and money.

- [BRENDAN] Hello?
- [BARB AND SCOTT] Hello.

- [BRENDAN] Yeah?
- [SCOTT] What are you doing?

[BRENDAN] My show is on, Lethal Weapons.

Oh.

So you're saying you're gonna
cut us short tonight, huh?

[BRENDAN] I told you I
was gonna call you,

so the call is more important.

You're right.

[DOG BARKING]

[SCOTT] So, what else is new?

[BRENDAN] Today someone told me that
someone was selling my letters.

And then, looks like one of
them sold for, like, $200.

That's not good.

Yeah, that's not good at all.

[BRENDAN] Yeah.

And you know, the weird thing is that

that letter is not one that I wrote

because I never swore
in any of my letters,

and there was two swear words in there.

So, if anybody asks, I could just say,

"That's not mine. It
must be someone else."

It just proves that that person
was just in it for the money.

[AUTOMATED VOICE] One minute left.

[SCOTT] Holy Christ. That wasn't...

[BRENDAN] It can't be 15 minutes.

It wasn't. Can you call back?

I don't think he's gonna be able to.

I forgot to put money on the account.

You said you had $8 left, didn't you?

[BARB] Yeah.

[BRENDAN] Oh, yeah, I
called you twice before.

- Try.
- [BRENDAN] I love you, just in case.

- I love you, too. Um...
- Love you, too.

[BRENDAN] I'll try to
call you on Friday.

Alright.

[STEVEN] There's too many
troublemakers in this shit.

Oh, there's troublemakers there?

[STEVEN] No, there's
troublemakers out there.

Oh, out here?

[STEVEN] Yeah.

I just sit here and all the chaos comes.

Because they gotta get on
that Internet and talk.

If it ain't one person,
it's another one.

Lynn, Lynn, Lynn, Lynn.
Nobody likes her.

Everybody wants to get in my life.
This is my life, it ain't theirs.

Yeah. Barbara had Brendan taken...

Everybody taken off
of Brendan's visitor.

And now he just sits there.

[STEVEN] Yeah? Well,
sometimes that's better.

Oh, I don't know.

[STEVEN] Well, I do know.

Oh, yeah?

[STEVEN] Yeah.

The day I get out,

I'm gonna get my license
and I'm going to her.

I ain't throwing this away.

I don't know.

[STEVEN] Well...

[DOLORES] I sit home by myself.

- [STEVEN] Yeah.
- [DOLORES] With the dogs.

Yeah. Everybody says,
"Walk, walk, walk, walk."

Well, when you can't
walk, how do you walk?

[STEVEN] Yeah, you can't.

No.

[STEVEN] No, it hurts.

How's your body? Does it hurt?

[STEVEN] My knee once in a while.

- Oh, yeah?
- Yeah.

[DOLORES] Yeah, but you
ain't 80 years old, either.

[STEVEN] There are people 100 years old.

No way.

Yeah.

No.

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[STEVEN] Yeah, so we got
less than a minute, so...

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

And I don't care what anybody says.
Love is hard to come by.

Well...

That's right.

Well, I give you mine.

- Yeah.
- My other half.

Yeah?

Yeah.

[AUTOMATED VOICE] Thank you for using...

- I love you.
- I love you, too. Bye.

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[ANNOUNCER] The woman engaged to
Making a Murderer's Steven Avery.

There are a lot of people that want to

help him that don't want to marry him.

- [ANNOUNCER] Should she be afraid?
- I can't do this anymore.

[ANNOUNCER] With a surprise
phone call from prison.

[DR. PHIL] He's on the line now.

Oh, my God.

[STEVEN] I called her,

and then they had me all
set up with Dr. Phil.

It was kind of a...

I don't know, kind of
like a setup, I guess.

It kind of hurt a lot.

And after that, when I called her,

she wasn't herself.

I said, well, she's making money,

and she said it was none of my business.

I got a hunch that her and her daughter

set this up where they could
get some money out of me

and my feelings and my love.

Brought me in and then threw me away.

You know, and I never felt
like that ever in my life.

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[ANNOUNCER] She's trying
on a wedding dress

for a wedding that never was or will be.

Lynn says the advice
she got from Dr. Phil

kept her from going through
with the marriage.

Lynn wrote her fiancé a
"Dear Steve" letter.

"I cannot continue to
be involved with you

because there is so much negative
for me. I can't do this anymore."

She says he did not take it well.

[LYNN] I had to end the relationship

because I saw signs in his
personality that concerned me.

[ANNOUNCER] Lynn says she's
now in fear for her life.

Once, she worked to help free Avery.

Now she hopes he never gets out of jail.

[KATHLEEN] While I'm waiting for
the response from the prosecution

to my motion for scientific testing,

I want to keep the rest of
my investigation going.

What we want to do is try to
figure out who had the opportunity

to get the bones back on the property.

So, Kurt, I think what you did...
you did an overview map.

[KURT] Specifically on this map, we've

highlighted where the pelvic
bones were recovered.

Those are in relationship
to the deer camp.

The deer camp is off
of Kuss Road, correct?

- [KURT] Yes.
- [KATHLEEN] So, those appear to be,

what, south?

[KURT] Yes.

[DEAN STRANG] You found in the
material from the quarry pile

two fragments that appeared
to you, in your experience,

to be pelvic bone.

- Is that right?
- That's correct.

You suspected them of
being human pelvic bone.

- Am I understanding you correctly?
- [LESLIE] Yes.

You still suspect them of
being human pelvic bone?

- Suspected possible human.
- Right.

I mean, you found some burned
bone from all three sites.

The quarry pile, the Janda burn
barrel, Steven Avery's garage area.

[LESLIE] Uh, that's correct.

And of the burned bone that you found,

the condition was roughly
similar in all three sites.

That is correct.

[DEAN] That's all.

[KATHLEEN] Where the
pelvic bones are found,

does that look like a burn site,

or do they seem to just be put there?

No one notes anything that
there's no burn barrel nearby,

they don't know that there's any
ashes or anything on the ground.

How do you think that happened?

An open container,
possibly in a vehicle...

[KATHLEEN] Maybe they're
stumbling in the dark?

Or on foot.

Like, if you were in a panic and...

Um, didn't they also confirm
those bones had been cut?

They could see cut marks on those?

Yeah, there are cut marks on those.

There's also cut marks on
bones in the burn barrel.

- So strange.
- [KURT] It is strange.

So, Kurt, go through
where the stations are

when they block off the property.

They maintain a command post

where Avery Road meets the

east-west road that goes
out to Barb and Steve's,

as well as a squad car
situated on the conveyor road

and by where the RAV was recovered.

And then, of note,

the guard situated in the northwest
portion of the Avery property,

he's actually east of Steven's trailer,

so he was to the front of it,

which means that it is possible to

be behind the trailer
or behind the garage

without being in a visual
line of that officer.

You could potentially
be there undetected.

[KATHLEEN] So, really,
entering Steven's property

from Kuss Road across the
field is not guarded.

That's right.

There's really no police presence,

apart from the excavation site
at the cul-de-sac on Kuss Road.

[KATHLEEN] How long does the
guard stay there on Kuss Road?

Oh, I don't know. Not
for very long at all.

I mean, if you drove across, you
could just drive across the field,

which is what Steven
says Mr. Radandt did

two weeks before Teresa disappeared,

that he drove a pickup
truck across the field,

parked behind Steven's trailer,

and just walked up and talked to him.

This is where I want to start with him.

I don't want to start just
walking up and cross-examining.

So, we'll walk up, kind of be oriented,

and then ask him to take us
to where he was positioned

when he saw the fire.

So, Eddie, the role I need you to play

is to just listen to what he's
saying, almost like you're a juror.

Would you believe this
story that he's telling?

[EDDIE] Do you think it's strange
to meet at the deer camp?

Yeah. It was my idea.

I mean, because he's gotta
show us this stuff, so...

[EDDIE] That could actually
be where it happened. Right?

[KURT] I think it's a good idea.

It's a lot more disarming
to be on the property.

He can't really, you know, lie
to our faces if we're there.

Yeah. And my... I'm working...

I'd rather work off a theory
and then have it disputed

than just, you know,
not have any theory.

So, I believe the killer plants the car

and the killer plants the bones.

I do not believe the cops moved
the car onto the property.

But if you're the killer

and you're aware of when
everyone's off the property,

you move the car in on the 4th.

So, then you're in a
situation where you think,

"Ah, I gotta get more of her
stuff over on Avery's property.

I gotta help the cops.

Because I'm watching it unfold,

and I'm panicked, because they got...

Their dogs are coming to my property.

And I've got ambulances and
cars all lined up on Kuss Road,

so I am terrified.

So, what I do, I do
make another trip over.

and I make the trip over with the bones,

and then the cops are dumb enough,

they immediately jump on
the Avery bandwagon."

[KATHLEEN] It's a perfect thing,
the Averys are gone by the 5th

and the property's blocked off.

And he's able to come and go.

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

[LAWYER] What I told him is,
you guys can ride with us.

You tell me where you want
to go to see something,

he'll drive you there.

[KATHLEEN] Yeah, let's
go first to where he is

when he sees the fire.

That would help clear that up.

[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

[KURT] Yeah. May I shoot video?

[KATHLEEN] Just so we can see,

because we'll never be able
to remember this from...

- [KATHLEEN] So, that's the conveyor road?
- [KURT] Yes, I think...

[LAWYER] Here you can see...
Just pull ahead right here.

Follow those poles right
through into Avery's property.

You can see that's one of
the buildings of Avery's.

- [KATHLEEN] Yes. Yes.
- [LAWYER] Alright.

That's their latest building.

That's the southeast side of their lot.

[KATHLEEN] OK.

OK, pull ahead and show
them where you went.

So, he's coming up here that day.

[KATHLEEN] Yeah.

[JOSH RADANDT] Yep.

And I'm... I'm thinking it
was, like, right in this area.

[KATHLEEN] Yeah.

Where I just, you know, I caught
it in the corner of my eye.

I didn't stop. I just kept driving.
I didn't think anything of it.

[LAWYER] None of these
little trees were here.

[KATHLEEN] OK, so that was
clearer out there, right?

[JOSH] It was clear. The
berm wasn't built up.

[KATHLEEN] It wasn't built up.
So, it's pretty much

just straight you can see.

So, when you draw this map...

[JOSH] Yep.

[KATHLEEN] So, that's where... the
area you're seeing the flame?

[JOSH] That was my guesstimation, yes.

[KATHLEEN] OK, so it's behind...
Like, that's Avery's trailer.

He's got that garage, and then his
sister's place is right there.

So it's behind the...

[LAWYER] Just so you
understand, he's guessing.

He doesn't see any barrel.
He doesn't see any pit.

He's guessing from his knowledge
of where their buildings were.

You know?

Roughly, this was his best
guesstimate at that time.

[KATHLEEN] When you give this statement,

you actually go over there on the
5th, right, to give the statement?

[JOSH] The 5th, we were up
at the hunting grounds.

[KATHLEEN] OK, and
they came and got you.

[JOSH] That's when they came and
asked if we had seen anything.

[KATHLEEN] Do the cops ever come back

and ask you any more about that?

Like, when you saw it and...

- [JOSH] Uh, the fire, you're saying?
- [KATHLEEN] Yeah, yeah.

[LAWYER] Sure, tell them.

[JOSH] They did.

And actually, I was getting
frustrated at a point

because it's almost as if
they wanted me to change

what I had actually seen.

And I said, "What kind of fire do
you want me to tell you I saw?"

[KATHLEEN] Did you get any
sense what they want...

Did they want you, do you think,

to say it was a bigger fire, or... ?

- [JOSH] Can I answer?
- [LAWYER] Sure.

- [JOSH] I think so, yeah.
- [KATHLEEN] Yeah...

I do, because by that time...

I believe by that time, there
was so much on TV already

about the bigger fire,

in my opinion, I knew what
they were trying to get at.

In my gut, I didn't see that.

[KATHLEEN] What I'm thinking
is, if we show you our map,

of where pelvic bones
were supposedly found...

[KURT] The bottom one is 2005,

so hopefully that'll give you an
idea of where those were located.

[JOSH] Yeah, that's on
Manitowoc County's property.

[KATHLEEN] Is it?

[LAWYER] This one is
certainly Manitowoc County.

[KATHLEEN] So, that's
Manitowoc. And could...

From there, they could've sneaked over,

don't you think, to the conveyor road?

[LAWYER] Sure. You can...
He can show you the road.

You can come right up the
road. You can come here.

[KATHLEEN] Yeah.

[LAWYER] And come right up this way.

[KATHLEEN] And do it that way.

[JOSH] These yellow posts
are the property lines

between ours and Manitowoc County.

[KATHLEEN] So, the bones are back there.

[KURT] Yeah, I believe they're
south and east of here.

So, looking at that picture there,

there was a road right there.

[KATHLEEN] Yeah.

[JOSH] You can't really see it anymore,

but it was in this general area.

- You can see where the tubes are.
- [KATHLEEN] Yeah.

[JOSH] That's blocked off
now, but at the time,

you could drive right through.

[KATHLEEN] OK.

[LAWYER] That's where
the county pit was.

[JOSH] Is there something
you want to see

on Kuss Road at all, or... ?

[KATHLEEN] ... what time it is.

So, I understand with the scent dogs

is even your car, they can track it.

So, those scent dogs were the
ones that came in around this way

and went to the conveyor road.

They told me exactly the
way that their theory was

of the way they thought the car came,

which was through the field,

down Kuss Road, past the
hunting cabin, into the pit,

and then through by conveyor...

[KATHLEEN] Did they think that
Avery drove it, do you think?

They didn't say that to me.

[KATHLEEN] OK, but
they knew that the car

came off of Avery's property

was brought around, they were
claiming, through yours.

That's what they told me.

[KATHLEEN] Which matches the dog tracks.

[KATHLEEN] The pelvic bones
are not on his property,

they're on Manitowoc County's property.

He was also told,

he thinks by the Wisconsin
Department of Justice investigators,

that they were very confident

that Teresa's car had been on Kuss Road

and been driven into the deer camp

and then to the conveyor belt road

and crossed over into
the Avery property.

So, the thing that's so
huge about that disclosure

is that's a major Brady violation

that was never reported to the defense.

Steven was convicted on a
theory that he moved the car

from his trailer to the southeast
corner of the Avery property

without leaving the Avery property.

[KATHLEEN] When the prosecution
has withheld evidence

that would have been
favorable to the defense,

it's a constitutional violation.

It is the violation that is most
likely to vacate a conviction.

I still believe that whoever
got in there with the car

had some knowledge of the property...

the sand and gravel to enter.

But now I don't know if the
police maybe are responsible

for bringing the car in.

And they'd also be responsible
for bringing the bones in.

[KATHLEEN] I guess the cops just
thought Steven didn't matter.

I want them all to know that he matters,

that they're gonna regret the
day they planted the evidence.

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