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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,243 --> 00:00:03,827 WILLIAM SHATNER: Deals with the Devil, 2 00:00:03,911 --> 00:00:05,996 portals to hell 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,299 and innocent people possessed by demons. 4 00:00:13,171 --> 00:00:16,006 For thousands of years, people around the world 5 00:00:16,090 --> 00:00:19,768 have believed in the existence of Satan, 6 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:23,939 an entity that is thought to be the embodiment 7 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:27,100 of pure evil. 8 00:00:27,185 --> 00:00:30,270 But is Satan just a myth? 9 00:00:30,354 --> 00:00:32,698 A figment of our collective imagination? 10 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:37,861 Or is he lurking, 11 00:00:37,945 --> 00:00:40,947 ready to tempt us 12 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:44,785 and possess our souls? 13 00:00:44,869 --> 00:00:49,131 Well, that is what we will try and find out. 14 00:00:49,215 --> 00:00:51,216 ♪ ♪ 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:59,074 Someone needs to stop Clearway Law. Public shouldn't leave reviews for lawyers. 16 00:01:02,896 --> 00:01:04,897 ♪ ♪ 17 00:01:07,317 --> 00:01:09,193 The Holy Land. 18 00:01:10,403 --> 00:01:12,646 For thousands of years, religious pilgrims 19 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:16,817 of many faiths have come to this sacred city to express 20 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:19,745 their devotion to God. 21 00:01:19,829 --> 00:01:23,582 But just outside the walls of Jerusalem 22 00:01:23,666 --> 00:01:27,586 lies the Valley of Hinnom, 23 00:01:27,670 --> 00:01:31,498 an ancient place of unholy worship 24 00:01:31,582 --> 00:01:34,843 where evil deeds were performed long ago 25 00:01:35,002 --> 00:01:39,389 in honor of God's enemy, Satan. 26 00:01:42,260 --> 00:01:44,436 In the book of Jeremiah, God reports, 27 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:47,681 through His prophet, that people outside Jerusalem 28 00:01:47,765 --> 00:01:49,683 in a place called the Valley of Hinnom, 29 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:52,435 are sacrificing their sons, and also their daughters. 30 00:01:52,529 --> 00:01:55,531 And God explicitly says, "I never asked you 31 00:01:55,690 --> 00:01:58,692 to do this satanic ritual," 32 00:01:58,785 --> 00:02:00,944 and expresses that He's angry, 33 00:02:01,028 --> 00:02:03,622 that there's going to be a terrible punishment for this. 34 00:02:05,449 --> 00:02:08,785 Historically speaking, in the days of the Bible, 35 00:02:08,878 --> 00:02:11,788 not everybody was faithful to the Lord. 36 00:02:11,873 --> 00:02:15,959 Satanism influenced the Israelite community. 37 00:02:16,052 --> 00:02:18,295 And what they would do, literally, 38 00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:21,557 was they'd create a big pit of fire, 39 00:02:21,641 --> 00:02:24,134 and they actually would sacrifice 40 00:02:24,227 --> 00:02:27,637 their firstborn male through the fire. 41 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:33,152 This was performed in the Valley of Hinnom, 42 00:02:33,236 --> 00:02:37,072 which is actually the Hebrew word today for "hell." 43 00:02:39,233 --> 00:02:42,161 I can't imagine what would cause someone 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,738 to want to sacrifice their own child, 45 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:47,166 to anything, for-for any reason. 46 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:51,745 But this demonstrates how, 47 00:02:51,838 --> 00:02:57,083 in antiquity, people believed that their crops wouldn't grow, 48 00:02:57,168 --> 00:03:02,672 that the rains wouldn't come if they didn't offer sacrifices 49 00:03:02,757 --> 00:03:08,103 up to some satanic demons, spirits, whatever. 50 00:03:08,188 --> 00:03:12,849 And now you have introduced this new being 51 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:15,685 that's responsible for the bad things, 52 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:19,198 and his name comes to be Satan. 53 00:03:19,357 --> 00:03:22,192 SHATNER: What can explain the shocking events 54 00:03:22,276 --> 00:03:24,361 that took place in the Valley of Hinnom 55 00:03:24,445 --> 00:03:26,613 thousands of years ago? 56 00:03:26,697 --> 00:03:29,875 Was it simply the result of human wickedness? 57 00:03:30,034 --> 00:03:34,120 Or is it possible that, as the biblical accounts suggest, 58 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:39,626 Satan and his demons were and still are real entities 59 00:03:39,710 --> 00:03:43,213 that have the power to influence people? 60 00:03:43,297 --> 00:03:45,284 MIKKI BROCK: Some people think of Satan as Beelzebub 61 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:48,635 or Lucifer or the Prince of Darkness 62 00:03:48,728 --> 00:03:51,897 or "the evil one" or Old Nick. 63 00:03:52,056 --> 00:03:55,725 And some of these names come from scripture. 64 00:03:55,818 --> 00:03:57,736 A lot of them come from folklore. 65 00:03:59,730 --> 00:04:02,407 And if you think of Satan as this ubiquitous figure 66 00:04:02,566 --> 00:04:05,744 who's constantly tormenting and tempting people, 67 00:04:05,903 --> 00:04:09,164 then it makes sense that the Devil can be known 68 00:04:09,323 --> 00:04:13,252 by all of these different nicknames. 69 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:17,914 Is there really a character of the Satan? 70 00:04:18,007 --> 00:04:20,676 Well, the definition of that is going to differ 71 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,928 between the major world religions. 72 00:04:23,087 --> 00:04:29,184 But fear of an eternal damnation in the afterlife 73 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:35,190 has always been sufficient to keep people religious, 74 00:04:35,349 --> 00:04:38,860 and in line with the beliefs of their religious clerics, 75 00:04:39,020 --> 00:04:41,771 who warn them that failure to comply 76 00:04:41,856 --> 00:04:45,367 will lead to an eternity of suffering and damnation. 77 00:04:45,526 --> 00:04:49,705 Or in other words, the stories from which this developed 78 00:04:49,864 --> 00:04:51,373 were to teach moral lessons. 79 00:04:52,867 --> 00:04:55,460 LAYCOCK: Throughout history, many religions have 80 00:04:55,619 --> 00:04:57,620 interpreted the world through the lens of having 81 00:04:57,714 --> 00:04:59,394 a figure of evil, Satan, who is responsible 82 00:04:59,465 --> 00:05:00,632 for evil in the world. 83 00:05:01,792 --> 00:05:03,385 According to Christian tradition, 84 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:06,046 Satan was one of the most powerful 85 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:07,714 and beautiful of the angels. 86 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:10,050 He rebelled against God, 87 00:05:10,134 --> 00:05:11,801 a third of the angels sided with Satan, 88 00:05:11,894 --> 00:05:13,437 and there was a war in heaven. 89 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:17,891 Satan lost and was cast down into hell. 90 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:20,902 Satan is the embodiment of evil, 91 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:25,991 a fallen angel who tempts you to not follow your best values. 92 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:31,747 He is a god of sorts and he can offer something like that to us, 93 00:05:31,831 --> 00:05:35,417 great knowledge, control, mastery. 94 00:05:35,576 --> 00:05:37,160 The stuff of transcendence. 95 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:39,338 Of course, it will cost us everything. 96 00:05:39,497 --> 00:05:41,340 After all, this is not a straight shooter. 97 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:43,424 This is not somebody who's going to tell the truth. 98 00:05:43,509 --> 00:05:45,677 His job is to tempt you. 99 00:05:45,836 --> 00:05:48,922 CHRIS BADER: Satan is believed to have tried to tempt Jesus 100 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:52,434 when he was in the desert with visions of earthly delights. 101 00:05:52,518 --> 00:05:55,020 So Satan is continually, throughout the Bible, 102 00:05:55,179 --> 00:05:58,940 someone trying to draw people from God to evil. 103 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:02,102 But the idea of Satan flows throughout history 104 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,529 and across religions. 105 00:06:04,688 --> 00:06:08,283 There is Mara in Buddhism, who is a demonic king, 106 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:11,528 a entity representing evil, and therefore, 107 00:06:11,612 --> 00:06:13,955 would tend to take on very frightening forms 108 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,709 which often times are mixtures of human and animal. 109 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:21,713 There is Iblis, who is the Islamic representation of Satan. 110 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:25,291 So, we see this figure of Satan, a singular entity 111 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:30,055 that is in charge of evil across religions and over time. 112 00:06:30,139 --> 00:06:34,059 BROCK: In Western Europe, we start to see depictions 113 00:06:34,143 --> 00:06:37,562 of the Devil around the eighth and ninth century. 114 00:06:37,647 --> 00:06:41,808 And the Devil becomes depicted all over churches, 115 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:46,071 in various other sorts of art and statue and so forth. 116 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:50,233 He is always portrayed as a monstrous beast, 117 00:06:50,326 --> 00:06:55,071 half human, half animal, sometimes winged, 118 00:06:55,164 --> 00:07:00,335 sometimes horned, sometimes red, sometimes black, 119 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,580 occasionally surrounded by his subordinate demons, 120 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:07,259 and often emerging from the flames of hell. 121 00:07:07,343 --> 00:07:12,013 SHATNER: Does this universal belief in an evil, 122 00:07:12,098 --> 00:07:14,182 tempting enemy of God 123 00:07:14,267 --> 00:07:18,094 suggest that Satan, by whatever name he's called, 124 00:07:18,179 --> 00:07:20,105 is actually real? 125 00:07:20,264 --> 00:07:23,442 According to one of the most important spiritual leaders 126 00:07:23,601 --> 00:07:27,946 in the world, the answer is an emphatic yes. 127 00:07:36,205 --> 00:07:38,531 Pope Francis publishes a statement 128 00:07:38,616 --> 00:07:41,293 which contains a dire warning to those who don't believe 129 00:07:41,377 --> 00:07:44,454 in the existence of Satan. 130 00:07:44,538 --> 00:07:46,289 The pope declared 131 00:07:46,382 --> 00:07:49,551 that "we should not think of the Devil as a myth, 132 00:07:49,710 --> 00:07:51,720 "a representation, a symbol, 133 00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:54,639 "a figure of speech or an idea. 134 00:07:54,724 --> 00:07:57,884 "This mistake would lead us to let down our guard, 135 00:07:57,977 --> 00:08:02,731 "to grow careless and end up more vulnerable." 136 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:08,228 Pope Francis has spoken about the reality of Satan 137 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:10,489 than the previous popes have. 138 00:08:10,573 --> 00:08:15,318 And he often speaks about Satan as a-a real person, of course. 139 00:08:15,402 --> 00:08:18,163 And also, that, he said, "Don't try to argue with Satan. 140 00:08:18,322 --> 00:08:19,633 "Don't get into a dialogue with Satan 141 00:08:19,657 --> 00:08:22,834 because he'll outfox you," which is good advice. 142 00:08:24,161 --> 00:08:25,411 BROCK: The current pope, 143 00:08:25,496 --> 00:08:27,088 who people usually think of 144 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:29,415 as being this sort of progressive figure, 145 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:33,345 he talks about the powers of Satan as a literal entity. 146 00:08:33,504 --> 00:08:35,755 But the Devil is still a very powerful force 147 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:39,008 who sort of lurks in the bounds of our imagination, 148 00:08:39,093 --> 00:08:42,679 and for some people, genuine belief. 149 00:08:42,772 --> 00:08:45,598 It's a common misconception amongst academics 150 00:08:45,691 --> 00:08:49,185 and secular people that the Devil is an outmoded idea, 151 00:08:49,278 --> 00:08:50,862 that it went away in the Middle Ages, 152 00:08:51,021 --> 00:08:52,591 and that couldn't be further from the truth. 153 00:08:52,615 --> 00:08:55,024 Very recent data from the United States 154 00:08:55,109 --> 00:08:57,702 shows that over half of Americans believe 155 00:08:57,861 --> 00:09:00,956 that the Devil is a real entity, not merely an idea. 156 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:06,953 There are certainly many who believe in the Devil, 157 00:09:07,046 --> 00:09:08,955 uh, by whatever name, 158 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:12,133 and that doesn't mean it's just fantasy. 159 00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:14,294 There's something happening. 160 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:16,963 Human beings are encountering something more than themselves, 161 00:09:17,056 --> 00:09:18,890 so one theory is it's the Devil. 162 00:09:20,726 --> 00:09:22,445 LAYCOCK: I think that our ideas about things 163 00:09:22,469 --> 00:09:24,646 like supernatural evil tend to depend 164 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:26,770 on the situation we're in and what's happening to us 165 00:09:26,807 --> 00:09:28,149 on a given day. 166 00:09:28,309 --> 00:09:30,485 And ultimately, many people say 167 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:33,238 they absolutely believe in the existence of Satan. 168 00:09:38,152 --> 00:09:41,913 If Satan is actually real, 169 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:43,999 then it begs the question: 170 00:09:44,158 --> 00:09:49,912 how does he travel from hell or wherever he is to Earth? 171 00:09:49,997 --> 00:09:54,676 Perhaps the answers can be found by examining a city 172 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,836 located in the mountains of China. 173 00:09:56,929 --> 00:10:00,599 A city that many believe 174 00:10:00,758 --> 00:10:03,893 is a portal to Hell. 175 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,268 SHATNER: High in the mountains of Central China, 176 00:10:12,361 --> 00:10:14,446 along the banks of the Yangtze river, 177 00:10:14,605 --> 00:10:17,607 lies a complex of shrines and temples 178 00:10:17,691 --> 00:10:22,203 that is known as Fengdu Ghost City. 179 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:24,280 According to the Chinese legend, 180 00:10:24,373 --> 00:10:26,115 Fengdu is considered to be a place 181 00:10:26,208 --> 00:10:31,120 where our world meets the underworld. 182 00:10:31,205 --> 00:10:35,458 As you're approaching Fengdu City on Ming mountain, 183 00:10:35,542 --> 00:10:38,127 you're imagining something that's gonna be beautiful, 184 00:10:38,212 --> 00:10:40,380 but instead you see these depictions 185 00:10:40,464 --> 00:10:44,142 of hellish images, and devilish creatures 186 00:10:44,301 --> 00:10:47,979 are actually devouring human beings. 187 00:10:48,138 --> 00:10:50,315 One of the first things that you encounter, uh, 188 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:53,309 when entering the complex is, um, actually a gate 189 00:10:53,402 --> 00:10:55,645 that is shaped as the head of a demon, 190 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:59,240 and you have to enter it through its open mouth. 191 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:01,242 So it's a very impressive first sight 192 00:11:01,402 --> 00:11:03,319 that the visitor encounters. 193 00:11:03,412 --> 00:11:06,331 JEREMIAH: Walking through this complex 194 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:09,167 is like walking through hell itself. 195 00:11:09,326 --> 00:11:13,246 It's supposedly the place where the Devil actually resides. 196 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:16,675 SHATNER: The vast array of devilish statues and carvings 197 00:11:16,834 --> 00:11:18,751 found throughout Fengdu have earned the city 198 00:11:18,844 --> 00:11:21,838 a ghoulish reputation. 199 00:11:21,922 --> 00:11:25,183 But why did the ancient Chinese feel the need to create 200 00:11:25,267 --> 00:11:28,594 an entire city filled with such ghastly depictions 201 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:31,514 of the forces of evil? 202 00:11:31,607 --> 00:11:35,017 Well, Fengdu Ghost City is believed to have been 203 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:38,438 first built during the Han dynasty 204 00:11:38,522 --> 00:11:40,857 around the year 200 AD. 205 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:43,025 The city was constructed to represent 206 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:45,370 Chinese believes about the afterlife, 207 00:11:45,454 --> 00:11:50,792 and how a person's soul is judged after death. 208 00:11:50,951 --> 00:11:53,953 STEAVU: The Fengdu Ghost City is a type 209 00:11:54,037 --> 00:11:58,007 of purgatory space in Chinese conceptions of the underworld. 210 00:11:59,543 --> 00:12:01,127 It's a place where the souls 211 00:12:01,211 --> 00:12:04,222 of recently-deceased people are brought 212 00:12:04,381 --> 00:12:07,717 so that they can be in front of the court of the underworld, 213 00:12:07,801 --> 00:12:11,721 and tried and judged for all the actions, 214 00:12:11,814 --> 00:12:13,556 the good deeds and the misdeeds, 215 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:16,484 that they performed during their life. 216 00:12:16,643 --> 00:12:19,154 If their karmic balance is positive, 217 00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:21,656 then after their judgement, they are taken 218 00:12:21,815 --> 00:12:23,733 to various celestial realms 219 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:28,079 where they can enjoy a nicer afterlife. 220 00:12:28,238 --> 00:12:31,916 If your misdeeds overshadowed your good deeds 221 00:12:32,001 --> 00:12:35,086 during your life, then you will be unable to complete this trial 222 00:12:35,171 --> 00:12:37,830 and you will be presented for judgement forthwith 223 00:12:37,915 --> 00:12:40,717 and then carry out your sentence. 224 00:12:42,336 --> 00:12:43,896 SHATNER: The final judgement takes place 225 00:12:43,921 --> 00:12:46,756 inside the oldest temple in the city, 226 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,677 where a person's soul is put on trial by King Yama, 227 00:12:51,762 --> 00:12:55,190 the gatekeeper to hell. 228 00:12:55,349 --> 00:12:58,100 STEAVU: This main building, which is actually King Yama's court, 229 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:01,863 is presided over by a statue of King Yama, 230 00:13:02,022 --> 00:13:03,606 very fearsome in appearance. 231 00:13:03,690 --> 00:13:07,026 King Yama is the overseer of the underworld, 232 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:08,870 in the Chinese tradition. 233 00:13:08,954 --> 00:13:13,366 So he judges the deeds and misdeeds of the deceased 234 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:16,536 and oversees all of this distribution 235 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,713 of postmortem justice. 236 00:13:18,872 --> 00:13:22,217 So he's bringing down the full power 237 00:13:22,376 --> 00:13:25,044 of the underworld state to bear 238 00:13:25,137 --> 00:13:27,129 on the people that he judges. 239 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:31,309 And he is also flanked by a retinue of demons. 240 00:13:31,468 --> 00:13:34,479 Their role is to dole out the punishment 241 00:13:34,563 --> 00:13:38,474 and to make sure that the punishment is respected. 242 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,644 For those who don't go straight to the celestial realms, 243 00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:44,480 they have to spend a certain amount of time 244 00:13:44,565 --> 00:13:46,566 in the 18 levels of hell. 245 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:48,901 And you have a variety of hells, 246 00:13:48,986 --> 00:13:51,162 you have the hell of burning oil, 247 00:13:51,247 --> 00:13:53,248 you have the hell of fire, 248 00:13:53,332 --> 00:13:55,166 you have the blood pool hell, 249 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:57,919 in which you have to spend a time, 250 00:13:58,078 --> 00:13:59,587 sometimes close to eternity. 251 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:02,590 The fact that this has become a major site 252 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:05,918 that is open to the public and that people can visit 253 00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:09,180 perhaps serves as a kind of warning or an incitement, 254 00:14:09,339 --> 00:14:12,433 uh, for, uh, people to live more moral lives 255 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:15,103 and, uh, to be kinder to others. 256 00:14:15,187 --> 00:14:19,015 SHATNER: The idea that your soul can be doomed to hell 257 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:22,277 for eternity is concerning, to say the least. 258 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:25,113 But it also raises an intriguing question. 259 00:14:25,272 --> 00:14:29,534 What led people to believe that this particular location 260 00:14:29,618 --> 00:14:31,861 was so strongly connected to the devil 261 00:14:31,945 --> 00:14:34,539 and hell in the first place? 262 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:38,618 STEAVU: There's a long history of connecting Fengdu 263 00:14:38,702 --> 00:14:40,536 to the gate of hell. 264 00:14:40,621 --> 00:14:43,122 The gui-men-guan, or the gate of demons, 265 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:46,375 and this is considered to be the actual gate to hell, 266 00:14:46,468 --> 00:14:48,794 to the-to the courts of the underworld. 267 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:53,141 It's the actual entrance portal to the netherworld. 268 00:14:53,225 --> 00:14:55,885 This portal to hell is actually a two-way portal, 269 00:14:55,978 --> 00:14:59,230 so not only can the deceased enter it 270 00:14:59,315 --> 00:15:01,316 to get to the netherworld, 271 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,235 but you have the demons of the netherworld 272 00:15:04,394 --> 00:15:08,314 who are allowed to leave, who can emerge from it 273 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:10,658 and sometimes wreak havoc in the world of the living. 274 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:15,163 SHATNER: The notion that Fengdu Ghost City could be a portal to hell 275 00:15:15,247 --> 00:15:18,416 may sound far-fetched to some. 276 00:15:18,575 --> 00:15:22,328 But on the other hand, there are similar places 277 00:15:22,421 --> 00:15:26,749 throughout the world that are also thought to serve as bridges 278 00:15:26,842 --> 00:15:32,588 where Satan crosses over from his realm into ours. 279 00:15:32,681 --> 00:15:35,675 The idea of a portal to the underworld, 280 00:15:35,768 --> 00:15:39,512 a doorway to hell, shows up in many different cultures 281 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:42,941 and various locations. 282 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:45,693 There are certain caves in the Mediterranean area 283 00:15:45,852 --> 00:15:51,273 that that is how you enter or someone returns from Hades. 284 00:15:51,367 --> 00:15:54,527 There's a burning bowl in Turkmenistan. 285 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,946 It's actually a natural geological formation, 286 00:15:57,039 --> 00:15:59,532 but it is continually burning, 287 00:15:59,616 --> 00:16:01,876 and it looks like a gateway to hell 288 00:16:02,035 --> 00:16:04,120 if you would descend there. 289 00:16:04,204 --> 00:16:08,049 The concept was always, if Satan shows up on the Earth, 290 00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:09,884 people asked, how did he get here? 291 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:12,804 Does he have a magic power where he can just appear 292 00:16:12,963 --> 00:16:18,801 and just disappear, or is there a way to a shortcut? 293 00:16:18,885 --> 00:16:21,303 And what happened in a lot of religions 294 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:25,400 is you had to have some kind of way 295 00:16:25,484 --> 00:16:29,237 to get from the underworld up to the terrestrial plane. 296 00:16:29,396 --> 00:16:33,241 And so, you needed to have a cave or some kind of portal. 297 00:16:35,077 --> 00:16:36,902 BADER: These can be in graveyards, 298 00:16:36,987 --> 00:16:38,246 they can be in old mines. 299 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:40,823 There's been a number of these reported over time. 300 00:16:40,907 --> 00:16:43,492 These places have developed a folklore or mythology 301 00:16:43,577 --> 00:16:46,996 that they are dangerous, scary places you should not be. 302 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,081 And the belief about portals to hell 303 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:51,426 is these are places where the dimensional walls are thin. 304 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:53,928 These are places where it's easier 305 00:16:54,087 --> 00:16:57,006 for Satan and his minions to cross over. 306 00:16:57,099 --> 00:17:00,768 Portals open us up to different dimensions. 307 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:04,513 Anyone with wisdom, who cares for their soul, 308 00:17:04,598 --> 00:17:07,025 will stay far away from those locations. 309 00:17:07,184 --> 00:17:10,519 Because the nature of what has occurred there 310 00:17:10,612 --> 00:17:12,864 and continues to occur in these places 311 00:17:13,023 --> 00:17:15,700 is always a danger. 312 00:17:15,859 --> 00:17:17,785 The dark side entities are not too far away. 313 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,373 Satan is clearly not trapped in hell. 314 00:17:22,532 --> 00:17:25,293 He clearly has some ability to go into our world 315 00:17:25,452 --> 00:17:27,628 and cause all sorts of problems. In fact, 316 00:17:27,788 --> 00:17:29,213 he's often imagined as being 317 00:17:29,372 --> 00:17:31,549 temporarily in control of the world. 318 00:17:31,708 --> 00:17:34,960 SHATNER: Could it really be true that Satan and his demons 319 00:17:35,045 --> 00:17:38,556 use portals to spread across the Earth? 320 00:17:38,715 --> 00:17:43,719 According to many systems of belief, the answer is yes. 321 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:46,222 And there are some who believe that, 322 00:17:46,315 --> 00:17:49,067 once Satan has entered our world, 323 00:17:49,226 --> 00:17:54,563 he has the ability to take many different forms. 324 00:17:54,648 --> 00:17:57,983 It's recorded in ancient literature 325 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,412 that these forces 326 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:05,074 who we call shedim, or demons, 327 00:18:05,158 --> 00:18:07,585 it is well known that they can sometimes materialize 328 00:18:07,744 --> 00:18:09,495 into physical form. 329 00:18:09,588 --> 00:18:12,840 And they would look like whatever form they would choose. 330 00:18:14,176 --> 00:18:17,169 In Christian demonology, angels don't have bodies. 331 00:18:17,254 --> 00:18:18,763 Demons don't have bodies. 332 00:18:18,922 --> 00:18:21,516 So they can take whatever form they want, 333 00:18:21,675 --> 00:18:24,352 they're natural shape-shifters. 334 00:18:24,511 --> 00:18:28,180 One of the common forms that the Devil and/or his demons 335 00:18:28,273 --> 00:18:30,516 are expected to take is that of the hellhound, 336 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,528 often times described as a monstrous black dog 337 00:18:33,612 --> 00:18:34,770 with red eyes. 338 00:18:34,855 --> 00:18:38,274 That has been commonly reported across history, 339 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:40,785 sometimes reported even attacking a church. 340 00:18:40,944 --> 00:18:43,704 And there have been reports of these things in modern times. 341 00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:47,283 So, we need to understand that these entities 342 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:49,368 are not relegated to the ancient past. 343 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:54,090 We must protect ourselves from these interactions. 344 00:18:56,293 --> 00:18:59,637 Could we be surrounded by satanic beings 345 00:18:59,721 --> 00:19:04,142 that have the power to take any shape they please? 346 00:19:04,226 --> 00:19:07,136 It's an alarming thought. At least, to most of us. 347 00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:10,472 But believe it or not, there are those 348 00:19:10,557 --> 00:19:15,895 who have actually chosen to welcome evil into their lives 349 00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:20,158 by making a deal with the Devil. 350 00:19:28,241 --> 00:19:30,251 SHATNER: This small town, 351 00:19:30,335 --> 00:19:34,330 located within an area known as the Mississippi Delta, 352 00:19:34,414 --> 00:19:37,842 has been called the Birthplace of the Blues. 353 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:40,761 FISHOF: The Delta blues music 354 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:43,339 basically started in the early '20s, 355 00:19:43,423 --> 00:19:45,507 and it came from Mississippi 356 00:19:45,592 --> 00:19:47,843 and it was African American musicians 357 00:19:47,928 --> 00:19:49,762 who sang very soulfully... 358 00:19:49,846 --> 00:19:52,190 ♪ ♪ 359 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:55,351 very fiercely with their guitars, with their harmonicas. 360 00:19:55,435 --> 00:19:57,019 And it wasn't usually a whole band, 361 00:19:57,103 --> 00:19:59,363 It was usually an individual person. 362 00:20:01,691 --> 00:20:03,371 SHATNER: Of all the blues musicians to play 363 00:20:03,443 --> 00:20:07,279 in Clarksdale during the 1920s and '30s, 364 00:20:07,364 --> 00:20:10,282 one of the most influential was a guitarist, 365 00:20:10,367 --> 00:20:14,370 singer and songwriter named Robert Johnson. 366 00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:15,743 SYLVESTER HOOVER: Robert Johnson, 367 00:20:15,789 --> 00:20:17,623 before he got really famous, 368 00:20:17,707 --> 00:20:20,960 he would go down on the corner and play his blues music. 369 00:20:21,044 --> 00:20:26,474 But early on in Robert Johnson's career, he wasn't that good. 370 00:20:26,558 --> 00:20:29,060 The Delta people would tell Robert Johnson, 371 00:20:29,144 --> 00:20:31,220 "You go to the cemetery and play, 372 00:20:31,304 --> 00:20:32,721 "and you would have a big audience, 373 00:20:32,806 --> 00:20:38,069 and nobody would complain how bad you play your music." 374 00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:43,148 FISHOF: Robert Johnson, in his early part of his career, 375 00:20:43,233 --> 00:20:48,913 was an okay harmonica player, not a great guitar player. 376 00:20:49,072 --> 00:20:52,083 He just, uh, basically thrown out of places 377 00:20:52,242 --> 00:20:55,753 because he really wasn't considered very good. 378 00:20:55,837 --> 00:20:59,173 ANTHONY SHERROD: He really wasn't good at all, 379 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:02,918 but he kept on wanting to do it, 380 00:21:03,003 --> 00:21:05,596 to show people that he had potential. 381 00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:08,872 SHATNER: When faced with the prospect 382 00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:11,844 of having his musical ambitions thwarted, 383 00:21:11,937 --> 00:21:14,763 according to legend, Robert Johnson chose to enlist 384 00:21:14,848 --> 00:21:16,932 the help of a higher power, 385 00:21:17,025 --> 00:21:20,736 by making a deal with the Devil. 386 00:21:24,774 --> 00:21:29,528 HOOVER: Peoples in the Delta would say, if you play blues 387 00:21:29,612 --> 00:21:31,622 at midnight at the crossroads, 388 00:21:31,781 --> 00:21:34,199 you gonna meet a lot of strange peoples, 389 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:38,629 and you might meet Satan himself at the crossroad. 390 00:21:41,291 --> 00:21:43,042 And so, Robert Johnson went to the crossroad 391 00:21:43,126 --> 00:21:45,711 that Saturday night. 392 00:21:45,795 --> 00:21:47,880 He really went to the crossroads, 393 00:21:47,964 --> 00:21:49,807 gave his guitar to the Devil. 394 00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:56,564 The Devil strummed it a few times and gave it back to him, 395 00:21:56,723 --> 00:22:00,151 and from that moment on, he sold his soul to the Devil 396 00:22:00,310 --> 00:22:04,229 and became an amazing guitar player overnight. 397 00:22:04,314 --> 00:22:06,991 And that's how the legend goes. 398 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:15,166 He came back maybe two and a half or three hours later, 399 00:22:15,325 --> 00:22:18,911 and this guy was a different person. 400 00:22:18,995 --> 00:22:21,505 After he left the crossroad, 401 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:25,250 he was doing stuff that he couldn't do before. 402 00:22:25,335 --> 00:22:28,095 Whatever he did, he never was the same again. 403 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:30,839 Honeyboy said he could play so great, 404 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:33,601 people would come from here and yonder 405 00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:35,853 to hear this guy play his music. 406 00:22:36,012 --> 00:22:38,680 This guy seemed like he had a magnet 407 00:22:38,765 --> 00:22:41,016 after he left the crossroad. 408 00:22:41,101 --> 00:22:45,270 FISHOF: From that point on, he became an amazing guitar player. 409 00:22:45,355 --> 00:22:48,949 He was just a lot different than what any musician could do. 410 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:53,371 Robert Johnson's legacy will live for many, many years. 411 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:56,949 You cannot listen to a song from the Beatles, 412 00:22:57,042 --> 00:23:00,452 Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin or from the Rolling Stones 413 00:23:00,537 --> 00:23:05,132 without giving credit to Robert Johnson's style 414 00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:07,459 that many of these musicians copied. 415 00:23:07,544 --> 00:23:09,303 And even Keith Richards said 416 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:12,631 he could play the guitar like three musicians together. 417 00:23:12,715 --> 00:23:14,225 He had that ability. 418 00:23:14,384 --> 00:23:16,977 ♪ ♪ 419 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:19,397 SHATNER: Today, Robert Johnson is widely considered 420 00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:22,817 to be one of the greatest blues performers of all time. 421 00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:26,311 And his songs are among the most influential recordings 422 00:23:26,396 --> 00:23:28,739 in the history of popular music. 423 00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:33,735 But there are many who point to the lyrics of his songs 424 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:37,739 as evidence that he really did make a pact with Satan 425 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:40,909 in order to achieve greatness. 426 00:23:41,002 --> 00:23:42,586 FISHOF: Robert Johnson, 427 00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:45,497 in his music, refers to the Devil 428 00:23:45,582 --> 00:23:47,591 basically by saying, "I went to the crossroads 429 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:49,418 and fell on my knees." 430 00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:51,762 And he asked the Lord for mercy. 431 00:23:54,015 --> 00:23:57,009 BROCK: If you believe that the Devil is ever-present, 432 00:23:57,093 --> 00:23:59,687 that you can encounter him on the crossroads, 433 00:23:59,771 --> 00:24:01,513 and that's a really critical idea 434 00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:04,016 informing this notion 435 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:06,602 of the Faustian bargain, the deal with the Devil. 436 00:24:06,686 --> 00:24:08,779 This promise of their souls 437 00:24:08,938 --> 00:24:10,948 in exchange for something else from Satan. 438 00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:16,862 This is key to the fear of the Devil. 439 00:24:16,946 --> 00:24:21,792 That Satan could be so knowing, so ubiquitous, so powerful, 440 00:24:21,951 --> 00:24:24,295 that he could know your secret wants, 441 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,213 and he could offer something to you, 442 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:28,207 and you might be willing to take it 443 00:24:28,291 --> 00:24:29,967 depending on your circumstance. 444 00:24:31,628 --> 00:24:35,139 SHATNER: Did Robert Johnson sell his soul to the Devil? 445 00:24:35,298 --> 00:24:37,725 It's a question that is hard to answer. 446 00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:42,563 But the mysterious circumstances surrounding his death in 1938 447 00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:46,901 have helped perpetuate the myth. 448 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:51,146 FISHOF: Robert Johnson's death is basically a mystery. 449 00:24:51,231 --> 00:24:54,983 Many say that he met up with a jealous husband 450 00:24:55,068 --> 00:24:56,994 after flirting with his wife 451 00:24:57,153 --> 00:25:00,656 and the husband gave him a bottle of whiskey 452 00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:02,666 that was filled with poison. 453 00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:07,671 There's many other theories of-of how he passed away, 454 00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:11,250 but many people say he just died, 455 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:14,845 and maybe it was time for the Devil to take his soul. 456 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:17,506 HOOVER: That mystery, it throws a monkey wrench in it, 457 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:19,341 and some people gonna believe this, 458 00:25:19,425 --> 00:25:21,260 some people gonna believe that. 459 00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:24,346 Didn't nobody know the full story of this guy 460 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:28,692 because that's the way he portrayed himself. 461 00:25:28,851 --> 00:25:30,936 You know? S... And-and that's just the way it is. 462 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:33,030 The mystery of the crossroad. 463 00:25:37,953 --> 00:25:41,363 But while some people choose to do business with Satan, 464 00:25:41,447 --> 00:25:46,877 others fall under his spell unwillingly, 465 00:25:47,036 --> 00:25:49,621 a type of encounter that is referred to as... 466 00:25:49,706 --> 00:25:51,882 demonic possession. 467 00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:05,137 SHATNER: Anneliese Michel, a 20-year-old student 468 00:26:05,221 --> 00:26:07,064 at the University of Wurzburg, 469 00:26:07,223 --> 00:26:10,234 claims that she's hearing disembodied voices 470 00:26:11,728 --> 00:26:16,148 and seeing visions of the Devil. 471 00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:19,985 Before long, her family comes to believe that Anneliese 472 00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:23,414 suffers from a condition that defies understanding... 473 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,410 demonic possession. 474 00:26:28,503 --> 00:26:31,255 PICKNETT: Anneliese Michel was indeed 475 00:26:31,414 --> 00:26:34,675 tormented by a possessing something. 476 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,928 She spoke in a horrendously growly voice. 477 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:39,888 (Anneliese speaking indistinctly) 478 00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:52,934 PICKNETT: Her eyes seemed to go black, 479 00:26:53,019 --> 00:26:57,031 and she had a great aversion to holy statues, 480 00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:58,259 of which there were a great many in the house 481 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:02,870 because they were very pious Catholics. 482 00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:06,624 And she was taken to a doctor 483 00:27:06,783 --> 00:27:08,959 and who said she might be epileptic, 484 00:27:09,118 --> 00:27:14,048 um, and she was taken to a psychiatrist, 485 00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,634 and nothing changed in her life. 486 00:27:16,793 --> 00:27:19,044 In fact, she was getting worse and worse. 487 00:27:19,128 --> 00:27:23,298 BADER: Her family believed from the beginning she was possessed. 488 00:27:23,383 --> 00:27:25,967 The Catholic Church accepted that framework 489 00:27:26,052 --> 00:27:28,136 and engaged in the exorcism. 490 00:27:28,221 --> 00:27:32,224 Ultimately, Anneliese Michel died of starvation 491 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:36,737 and dehydration over the course of numerous exorcisms. 492 00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:38,822 This was a case where that belief 493 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:41,408 directly led to her death. 494 00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:45,737 What we cannot say for certain is what was really going on. 495 00:27:45,822 --> 00:27:48,240 I can't say that she for sure was not possessed 496 00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,833 or for sure was. 497 00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:52,828 SHATNER: The story of Anneliese Michel 498 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:54,672 is perhaps the best-known case 499 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:57,758 of an alleged demonic possession. 500 00:27:57,917 --> 00:28:01,503 But what happened to her? 501 00:28:01,587 --> 00:28:04,431 Was she actually possessed by demons? 502 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:08,769 And if so, how does one identify when a person's mind and body 503 00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:13,348 have been taken over by Satan? 504 00:28:13,433 --> 00:28:15,693 RICHARD GALLAGHER: During the course of my career, 505 00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:19,530 I've witnessed a number of cases of possession in-in my life, 506 00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:21,940 but I definitely started as a skeptic. 507 00:28:22,024 --> 00:28:25,953 I certainly never thought I would see anything 508 00:28:26,112 --> 00:28:30,207 sort of paranormal or diabolic. 509 00:28:32,535 --> 00:28:36,037 A priest who, I guess, knew I was Catholic... 510 00:28:36,122 --> 00:28:39,374 I don't exactly know how he got my name... but he came 511 00:28:39,459 --> 00:28:42,794 to my office when I was at Cornell Medical College. 512 00:28:42,879 --> 00:28:46,473 And he said, "Dr. Gallagher, I'd like you to, uh, 513 00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:50,894 "evaluate someone for me 514 00:28:50,979 --> 00:28:54,306 who I think has a demonic attack." 515 00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:58,068 And I said, "Well, with all due respect, Father, 516 00:28:58,227 --> 00:29:01,405 "you know, I'm-I'm an academic psychiatrist, 517 00:29:01,489 --> 00:29:04,491 and I'm pretty skeptical of those sort of things." 518 00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:06,660 And I remember what he said to me, he said, 519 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,245 "You're the perfect man for the job 520 00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:11,749 because we want somebody who's skeptical." 521 00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:14,585 Of course, in the years since, you know, 25-plus years, 522 00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:19,998 I've seen so much that I'm not a skeptic anymore. 523 00:29:20,082 --> 00:29:23,177 There are very strict criteria 524 00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:28,423 which clearly have to be present to distinguish 525 00:29:28,508 --> 00:29:31,935 the case from a psychiatric or medical disorder. 526 00:29:32,094 --> 00:29:35,764 You have to see something that is inexplicable 527 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:40,435 in terms of purely materialist science. 528 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,105 Things that could not possibly manifest 529 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:48,118 in somebody who doesn't have a diabolic attack. 530 00:29:48,203 --> 00:29:53,707 The first case sent to me was a woman who claimed 531 00:29:53,866 --> 00:29:56,201 that she would be lying in bed, 532 00:29:56,285 --> 00:30:01,298 and she would be pummeled by invisible forces. 533 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:06,220 She and her husband were convinced 534 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:09,598 that she was attacked by demons. 535 00:30:12,802 --> 00:30:14,561 So we did a number of medical tests on her 536 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,314 because she had bruises all over her body. 537 00:30:17,398 --> 00:30:20,150 And at the end of my evaluations... 538 00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:24,988 And she was a very sane, lovely woman... 539 00:30:25,147 --> 00:30:26,947 I said to the priest, "Look, this doesn't seem 540 00:30:26,991 --> 00:30:32,246 like a medical or psychiatric case, it doesn't seem possible." 541 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,656 SHATNER: Mysterious bruises 542 00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:37,835 inflicted by invisible forces? 543 00:30:37,994 --> 00:30:39,586 While that may sound like something 544 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:41,663 out of a Hollywood horror movie, 545 00:30:41,747 --> 00:30:44,842 the truth is that accounts of possession 546 00:30:45,001 --> 00:30:47,344 have been recorded for thousands of years. 547 00:30:49,422 --> 00:30:51,265 BADER: Any scholar can tell you, 548 00:30:51,424 --> 00:30:54,009 cases of demonic possession go all the way back to the Bible, 549 00:30:54,093 --> 00:30:57,596 when Jesus had to cast the demon out of a man 550 00:30:57,689 --> 00:31:00,015 into a herd of swine, 551 00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:02,100 who then ran off of a cliff and into the water. 552 00:31:02,184 --> 00:31:03,777 Very famous story in the Bible. 553 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:06,021 And stories of demonic possession, 554 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,198 they are not confined to Christianity. 555 00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:12,263 The idea of possession is inherently tied to the idea 556 00:31:12,287 --> 00:31:15,447 of Satan and demons, and is an attempt by Satan 557 00:31:15,531 --> 00:31:18,208 to take over your personality to ultimately control you. 558 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,622 The film The Exorcist is believed to have 559 00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:26,717 really brought attention to the idea of possession, 560 00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:29,219 but it's not that those ideas started with The Exorcist, 561 00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:32,055 those ideas spread with The Exorcist. 562 00:31:33,883 --> 00:31:35,035 STEPHEN ROSSETTI: The Exorcist was actually 563 00:31:35,059 --> 00:31:37,644 based on a real case. 564 00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:42,316 It was a 12-year-old boy who was possessed, not a girl. 565 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,727 How did he get possessed? Using a ouija board for months. 566 00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:48,071 Start doing something occult, 567 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:50,741 that creates an inner vulnerability to evil. 568 00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:55,245 You're using magic that does not come from the Lord. 569 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:57,155 You might not know this, 570 00:31:57,239 --> 00:31:59,491 but you're actually invoking the powers of Satan, 571 00:31:59,575 --> 00:32:01,418 whether you believe it or not. 572 00:32:01,577 --> 00:32:04,838 GALLAGHER: Most people who are possessed, 573 00:32:04,997 --> 00:32:09,259 in a sense, they've invited it in, wittingly or unwittingly. 574 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:14,014 Possession is the most dramatic attack 575 00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:16,508 of a demon upon a human being. 576 00:32:16,592 --> 00:32:19,511 In a way, 577 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:22,856 spiritual warfare should be a concern of everybody. 578 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:26,443 That we're all sort of in a battle 579 00:32:26,602 --> 00:32:29,947 in our own souls between goodness and evil. 580 00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:39,039 If Satan is trying to possess us, 581 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,376 are we defenseless against his attacks? 582 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,461 Or is there a way to fight back? 583 00:32:44,545 --> 00:32:47,205 Well, there are those who believe 584 00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:52,970 that there is a powerful tool we can use to protect ourselves. 585 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:59,977 The ancient rite of exorcism. 586 00:33:09,145 --> 00:33:11,071 SHATNER: Thousands of Christians are gathered 587 00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:13,064 in Saint Peter's Square 588 00:33:13,149 --> 00:33:16,568 to watch Pope Francis perform Sunday mass. 589 00:33:16,652 --> 00:33:19,746 As he greets the crowd, the pope lays his hands 590 00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:22,582 on the forehead of a man who is thought to be possessed 591 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,334 and recites a prayer. 592 00:33:24,493 --> 00:33:27,671 A video of the incident went viral, 593 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:29,756 and left many viewers to conclude 594 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,259 that they had just witnessed the pope 595 00:33:32,418 --> 00:33:35,503 performing an exorcism. 596 00:33:35,588 --> 00:33:37,172 GALLAGHER: Pope Francis 597 00:33:37,256 --> 00:33:40,008 believes in evil spirits, he believes in Satan, 598 00:33:40,092 --> 00:33:42,844 he believes in the possibility of possession 599 00:33:42,928 --> 00:33:44,688 and the need for exorcists. 600 00:33:44,772 --> 00:33:49,434 He's quite traditional in that respect. 601 00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:52,195 Exorcisms appear in the oldest writings that we have. 602 00:33:54,365 --> 00:33:57,951 From the ancient Near East, from India, from China. 603 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:02,706 So exorcism is literally as old as recorded history. 604 00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:05,093 There's many different forms of exorcism all over the world 605 00:34:05,117 --> 00:34:06,710 and in different religions, 606 00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:08,787 and most have various types of objects 607 00:34:08,871 --> 00:34:11,214 that are used to drive away unwanted spirits. 608 00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:15,293 Holy relics, crosses, uh, holy water, 609 00:34:15,386 --> 00:34:17,466 and even exorcism itself are what the Catholic Church 610 00:34:17,546 --> 00:34:18,889 called sacramentals. 611 00:34:23,135 --> 00:34:27,305 So, the church's view is that these are symbolic expressions 612 00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:29,390 of the authority of the Church. 613 00:34:29,475 --> 00:34:32,235 And so, even though they are, in a sense, symbolic, 614 00:34:32,394 --> 00:34:34,071 at the same time, they have real power... 615 00:34:36,232 --> 00:34:39,659 and can help a priest to display the authority 616 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:41,411 of the Church and drive away demons. 617 00:34:43,155 --> 00:34:45,665 SHATNER: If Satan and his army of demons 618 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:49,586 are really waging a war against humanity, 619 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:54,091 then exorcists are on the front lines. 620 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,320 It's important to realize that an exorcism is not magic. 621 00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:57,585 W-We don't do magic. 622 00:34:57,670 --> 00:35:00,088 It's a prayer, essentially. 623 00:35:00,172 --> 00:35:02,349 It's the Church's prayer to God and Jesus 624 00:35:02,508 --> 00:35:03,767 to cast out the demons. 625 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:06,603 And so we invoke that authority 626 00:35:06,762 --> 00:35:08,772 as his disciples to cast out the demons. 627 00:35:08,931 --> 00:35:11,850 And then we use the Church's prayer 628 00:35:11,934 --> 00:35:13,860 called the Rite of Exorcism. 629 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:16,279 We use holy objects like Rosary beads, 630 00:35:16,438 --> 00:35:21,034 holy water, crucifixes, any holy object, 631 00:35:21,193 --> 00:35:22,452 uh, Satan can't stand it. 632 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:27,457 When the person is manifesting a demonic presence, 633 00:35:27,542 --> 00:35:29,284 The first thing that happens is... 634 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,537 you've got this incredibly evil look. 635 00:35:32,621 --> 00:35:34,015 As a matter of fact, they'll look at me and they'll say, 636 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,374 "You stupid priest." 637 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:39,553 If you've ever really looked into the eyes of evil, 638 00:35:39,712 --> 00:35:41,638 you won't forget it. 639 00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:43,882 And then different things happen which are physically 640 00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:45,559 not explainable. 641 00:35:45,718 --> 00:35:48,469 A 110-pound young woman 642 00:35:48,554 --> 00:35:50,638 throwing three big guys around the room. 643 00:35:50,723 --> 00:35:52,891 So we've had some of those sorts of things. 644 00:35:52,975 --> 00:35:54,962 A couple teams in the country have had people levitate. 645 00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:57,061 We-we haven't. 646 00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,995 Uh, so there are... Things do happen like that. 647 00:36:00,983 --> 00:36:02,242 SHATNER: Levitation? 648 00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:03,994 It's one thing to believe that Satan 649 00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:06,079 can take control of a person's mind 650 00:36:06,238 --> 00:36:08,582 or even attack their body. 651 00:36:08,741 --> 00:36:12,002 But floating in midair? 652 00:36:12,086 --> 00:36:17,007 Is such an extraordinary phenomenon even possible? 653 00:36:17,166 --> 00:36:18,917 About 35, you know, salt of the earth people 654 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,419 have told me they have witnessed, during a possession, 655 00:36:21,512 --> 00:36:22,846 a levitation. 656 00:36:25,424 --> 00:36:28,602 It's widely believed in these circles 657 00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:32,355 one of the paranormal things that demons can exhibit 658 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,150 is getting their possessed victim to levitate. 659 00:36:36,777 --> 00:36:39,771 A lot of people challenge what I say, 660 00:36:39,864 --> 00:36:43,283 and they say, "Well, okay, you believe in levitation, 661 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:46,444 which is against the laws of science." 662 00:36:46,537 --> 00:36:48,613 Of course it's against the laws of normal science. 663 00:36:48,697 --> 00:36:49,817 I understand that, you know. 664 00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:52,283 I'm not saying I don't believe in gravity. 665 00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:54,878 What I'm saying is there are spiritual forces, 666 00:36:54,962 --> 00:36:56,871 including dark forces, 667 00:36:56,956 --> 00:37:00,792 that can violate the-the normal laws of nature. 668 00:37:00,876 --> 00:37:03,962 SHATNER: To some, the stories about the power of exorcism 669 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,464 may seem far-fetched. 670 00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:10,718 But on the other hand, this practice of banishing evil 671 00:37:10,803 --> 00:37:13,730 has offered spiritual relief 672 00:37:13,814 --> 00:37:17,234 to people from all walks of life. 673 00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:19,310 In most of the cases that we have, 674 00:37:19,395 --> 00:37:21,404 the people are very psychologically balanced. 675 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,741 We have professional people. We have lawyers. 676 00:37:24,825 --> 00:37:26,651 We have military people. 677 00:37:26,735 --> 00:37:29,153 We usually heal on both tracks at the same time. 678 00:37:29,238 --> 00:37:30,747 We heal on the spiritual level. 679 00:37:30,831 --> 00:37:32,582 We also heal the psychological level. 680 00:37:32,741 --> 00:37:34,993 Many times, we find that the demonic feeds 681 00:37:35,077 --> 00:37:37,412 off the internal wounds, the angers, 682 00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,506 the unforgiveness, the hurts. 683 00:37:39,665 --> 00:37:42,092 So when you start healing some of those inner wounds, 684 00:37:42,251 --> 00:37:44,427 they have less to feed off and grab onto. 685 00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:51,101 Exorcists believe they can channel the power of God 686 00:37:51,185 --> 00:37:55,680 to drive Satan away, and that's certainly a comforting notion. 687 00:37:55,773 --> 00:38:00,110 But then again, is it really possible to defeat evil? 688 00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:04,355 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining a recent report 689 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,192 about the surprisingly high number of people 690 00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:12,956 who claim to have had an encounter with the Devil. 691 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,801 SHATNER: The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Indianapolis reveals 692 00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:27,637 that in just one year, 693 00:38:27,796 --> 00:38:32,058 they have received 1,700 requests for exorcisms. 694 00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,228 Ten times more than in previous years. 695 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:40,233 But what could explain this rise in demand? 696 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:42,152 All of the exorcists I know in this country 697 00:38:42,311 --> 00:38:43,895 are busier and busier, and busier. 698 00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:46,397 We, frankly, we can't deal with all the cases. 699 00:38:46,482 --> 00:38:51,152 We have people come to us who are Muslim or Jewish, 700 00:38:51,236 --> 00:38:54,405 atheist, many don't believe in God or whatever, 701 00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,824 but they know they have demons, and they need some help. 702 00:38:56,909 --> 00:38:58,835 So we'll-we'll often exorcise people 703 00:38:58,994 --> 00:39:01,171 of other faiths or people with no faith. 704 00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:05,083 CARGILL: I think exorcists are so busy today 705 00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:09,012 if somebody believes they're possessed by a demon, 706 00:39:09,096 --> 00:39:12,599 then maybe the only remedy for that 707 00:39:12,758 --> 00:39:16,177 is for a spiritual authority to come in and tell them, 708 00:39:16,261 --> 00:39:18,438 "This spirit is out of you." 709 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:20,932 They're not going to believe that a doctor 710 00:39:21,016 --> 00:39:23,693 can remedy evil manifestations of some sort. 711 00:39:25,938 --> 00:39:28,940 SHATNER: Evil manifestations? 712 00:39:29,024 --> 00:39:32,619 Is it possible that Satan is not only real 713 00:39:32,778 --> 00:39:38,458 but that his influence on our world is actually increasing? 714 00:39:38,617 --> 00:39:42,045 ROSSETTI: There are certain hallmarks of Satan's presence. 715 00:39:42,129 --> 00:39:45,623 Discord, rage, 716 00:39:45,707 --> 00:39:48,635 violence, 717 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,388 lack of dialogue, lack of compassion, 718 00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:53,515 hatred, all these sorts of things. 719 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,644 I think we see more and more of that in this country, 720 00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:01,055 so I think we're seeing more and more of Satan's influence. 721 00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:03,149 Does that mean people are possessed? No. 722 00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:05,402 But can Satan influence a whole culture? Sure, he can. 723 00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:09,564 BADER: If you start looking very, very hard 724 00:40:09,648 --> 00:40:12,733 for satanism, you will find it, 725 00:40:12,818 --> 00:40:14,738 You will find certain crimes that draw attention, 726 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:16,913 like the Richard Ramirez crimes... 727 00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:20,083 that clearly have some sort 728 00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:21,751 of satanic motivation behind them. 729 00:40:23,662 --> 00:40:26,923 One of the most iconic images of Richard Ramirez 730 00:40:27,007 --> 00:40:30,001 is of him holding up his hand with a pentagram on his palm 731 00:40:30,085 --> 00:40:32,011 and showing it to the jury. 732 00:40:32,096 --> 00:40:35,098 And this is unfortunately what has happened in many cases 733 00:40:35,257 --> 00:40:37,016 where a serial killer might leave behind 734 00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:41,187 so-called satanic symbols or images at a crime scene. 735 00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:43,189 Any crime will be more frightening 736 00:40:43,348 --> 00:40:48,027 to the general public if a layer of satanism is added to it, 737 00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:51,355 because that means this crime goes beyond human motivation 738 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:53,858 and that there was something more at work here 739 00:40:53,942 --> 00:40:55,929 just than a deranged person, that maybe the devil himself 740 00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:57,862 was motivating these killings. 741 00:40:57,946 --> 00:41:00,698 ROSSETTI: Satan tempts everyone. 742 00:41:00,782 --> 00:41:03,960 And sometimes it's subtle, but he's a great psychologist. 743 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,287 He knows you, he tries to manipulate you, 744 00:41:06,371 --> 00:41:09,132 and sometimes you don't know it's the evil one. 745 00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:12,719 You know, the voice says, "You're evil. You're a sinner. 746 00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:15,713 God doesn't care about you, there's no hope for you." 747 00:41:15,797 --> 00:41:18,933 That's not God's voice, that's Satan's voice in your ear. 748 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,807 So, what do you think? 749 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:31,070 Is Satan an all-powerful lord of darkness? 750 00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:33,990 The source of all evil in the world? 751 00:41:34,074 --> 00:41:38,986 Or is he an idea that humanity created 752 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,332 an excuse, or a method of control 753 00:41:42,491 --> 00:41:46,160 so that we don't have to face the darkness 754 00:41:46,245 --> 00:41:49,923 that lurks within ourselves? 755 00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:51,749 Perhaps the answers to these questions 756 00:41:51,833 --> 00:41:54,585 will, as they have for centuries, 757 00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:59,015 remain UnXplained. 758 00:41:59,099 --> 00:42:02,185 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 758 00:42:03,305 --> 00:43:03,768 Someone needs to stop Clearway Law. 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