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-My guest today stars
in the film
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"Shang-Chi and The Legend
of the Ten Rings,"
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which is almost half a billion
dollars in the box office.
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That's a big deal.
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The movie already
has a sequel in the works,
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and he won
a People's Choice Award
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for Action Movie Star
of the Year.
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And he also received the
People's Choice Award nomination
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for movie star of 2021.
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Please welcome Simu Liu.
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What's going on, man?
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-Yo, yo.
-How are you, sir?
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-Man, I'm so good.
I'm so happy to be here.
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-I'm happy that you're here.
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It's a big deal
that you're hear.
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-It's a huge deal.
-I'mma tell you why.
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I'mma tell you
why it's a big deal.
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It's a big deal because you
got me cool points in my house.
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I never knew
what that meant.
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I never knew the definition
or understanding of it.
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But as a father, there's a point
where your kids stop
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really caring
about you and your talent
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and they start to care
about the talent around you.
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And you, Simu, well, you are
a household favorite, man.
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My kids are Marvel fanatic.
My my daughter's 16.
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My oldest son is 14.
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And they eat,
sleep and breathe it.
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Of course, my two youngest
don't know yet,
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but they fell in love
with you on a big screen, man.
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So when I told them I was having
you, my son is actually here.
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My son don't come
to anything I do.
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-Yeah, we took a picture.
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-Yeah, he doesn't come
the nothing I do, ever.
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My son comes to set,
he'll chill and disappear.
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But yet he's here for you,
man.
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-That's amazing.
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He's a he's a very mature,
very poised young man.
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-He thinks he's too cool.
-And he's taller than you.
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-He is, he is.
Every once in a while
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I punch him in the neck, though.
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-Oh, yeah.
-I punch him the neck
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just to remind him that I'm dad.
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The beauty
of "Hart to Heart," man,
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is not only heartfelt
conversations,
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but we have the choice to do it
over a glass of wine.
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I love wine.
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I say the same thing through
the course of every show.
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I feel like great conversations
can happen over great wine.
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So you do have the choice.
Would you like a glass of wine?
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-You know, I would I would love
to enjoy it with you, Kevin,
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but I don't -- I don't drink.
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-You don't drink?
-Yeah.
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-Sounds like
I'm having two glasses then.
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-You should have -- you should
have an extra one for me.
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-Pour me one here and pour me
another one beside it
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because I'm gonna drink
that on his behalf.
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-That's great.
-I'm not gonna drink by myself.
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So --
This is my --
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-Yeah, yeah.
-How are you, Mr. Simu?
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Mr. Hart.
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Classic Pinot Noir from
the Willamette Valley, Oregon.
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-Willamette.
-Bright, elegant,
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being cherry,
a little bit of sous bois.
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2020 vintage.
-Sous bois.
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-Hell, yeah, sous bois.
-A little bit of sous bois.
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-I love that.
-What's wine without sous bois?
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-I refuse any wine
without sous bois.
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-You don't drink wine
without sous bois.
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-Yeah.
-It's as bad is what it is.
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What is that? Water?
-Make me want to have some.
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-Boo! Boo!
-I know, I know.
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-Joking, joking.
Cheers.
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-Cheers.
-This is cheers to you.
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-Sorry, this is bad luck.
I know.
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-No, cheers to you
and your success, man.
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Congratulations.
-Thank you.
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-I know the world is just
basically flipped upside down
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since this movie for you.
We're going to get into that.
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Plus --
-I got questions.
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-Well, yeah.
-I have questions.
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I need advice.
-I have questions.
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And I hope -- I hope
that I have answers.
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Let's let's talk before.
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You know, before we get
to the business,
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before we get to the movies
and how, where you from?
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-Yeah, that's -- that's a great
question.
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I was born in China.
-Okay.
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-And then I immigrated
to Canada when I was --
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when I was five years old.
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My parents actually immigrated
when I was a lot younger.
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I grew up basically in the care
of my grandparents
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in in a little city
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in the northeast of China
called Harbin.
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-Okay.
-And one day,
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so I'm four and a half years old
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and live at my grandparents
every day.
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We're sleeping in the same bed
where, you know,
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it's like -- it's like
a little apartment,
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you know, running water, maybe
like 75 percent of the day.
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-Okay.
-No hot water.
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You got to boil all your water.
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You know, you take a bath.
It's like chemistry, you know?
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-Cheers. I've been there.
I've been there.
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-There you go.
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And then one day this guy shows
up at the door and I'm like,
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"Who are you?"
And he's like, "I'm your dad,
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and I'm here to take you
to Canada."
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And that's how I found out that
I was leaving the country.
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-How old were you?
-I was four and a half.
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-Okay.
-So basically I had to --
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I had to say goodbye
to my grandparents,
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who at that point were the only
parental figures that I had.
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And then join my dad,
who at that point was a stranger
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because I'd never seen him.
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I feel like maybe I'd talk to
him on the phone before, but...
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But yeah, I went from that
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to having to spend
every day with this man.
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-And what about now Mom
at the time?
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-So Mom was was still in Canada.
-Okay.
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-You know, we could only afford
the one plane ticket to go back.
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And so it was my dad who came
back to get me.
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-I got you.
-And and then I met my mom
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at the arrivals terminal
at Pearson Airport in Toronto.
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-So, from China to Canada,
a whirlwind of events.
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Your relationship
with your grandparents,
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I mean,
is it one that still exists?
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Is it -- did you keep in touch?
Did it kind of fall off?
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-So my grandparents actually
passed earlier this year.
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-Oh, wow.
-Sorry, sorry last year.
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-Sorry to hear that.
-No, thank you. Thank you.
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But there were, I mean,
there are always such a big part
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of my life just because
those are such formative years,
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you know,
your first three or four years.
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I mean, it's really -- it's how
you learn about everything.
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And it was like -- so basically
I was one of those kids
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that like,
if I didn't get what I wanted,
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like we'd go out, you know,
to the street markets and stuff.
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And if I didn't get what I
wanted, I would just lie down.
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I would like lie down
on the ground
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and I would just like [screams],
just scream out
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and I throw one
of those tantrums.
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And so my grandpa
was like really fed up,
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and he sat me down
and he was like,
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"Look, I would love
to take you out,
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but you have to promise me
and this is what a promise is,
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is that you tell me that you're
not going to do something,
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and then you have to honor it.
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And it was very important to me
in that moment
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that I -- that I respect that.
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-Okay.
-And so, you know,
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I remember the first time,
I like immediately,
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you know, it's like
we're going to the market.
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I immediately see what I want.
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It's like some snack
or something.
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And then I'm like, mm-hmm.
And I remember like,
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alright, I'm not going to --
I'm not going to say anything.
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-I want to keep my promise.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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-It's one of those life lessons
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that you don't realize
are strong.
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until you get to a certain age
and you're like, wow, you know?
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My big one was commitment.
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My big one was, you know,
whatever I commit to,
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you have to finish.
-Yeah.
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-That was my mom's
biggest thing with me.
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It was, you know, I don't care
what you choose to do,
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but when you make the choice,
you're giving a commitment.
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-Yeah.
-Finish that.
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Don't ever --
don't ever not finish
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because that's starting a habit
that you won't break.
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You become a person
that leaves things
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incomplete in life as you go.
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-It's really about discipline,
right?
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It's about whether --
it's like learning
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what a promise is
or the value of commitment.
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It's about can you
teach somebody to act
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against their --
their instinct
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or their want and desire
in that moment
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and remember something
that they were bound to
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at an earlier point in time
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or that they
that they agreed to, right?
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It's like this idea of like
self-control or discipline
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or just being able to have
the mental fortitude to say,
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I'm going to --
I'm going to stick to my guns.
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-Are you a person that does well
with commitment?
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Like, are you
a strong-minded person?
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Do you feel like the things
you put your mind to you finish
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or do you feel like
you have problems
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with starting and completing?
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-I feel like I've lived my life
as two different people,
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and in one version of me,
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I am this lackadaisical,
slacker kid
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who just always did
the bare minimum,
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like whatever --
whatever it was to pass
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or did not get my parents
mad at me, to get through
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to the next year or school
or whatever, get a job.
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You know, I went to school
for finance and accounting,
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and I really just
wasn't that kid.
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I was -- I was just not engaged.
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-What does that mean when you
say you went to school
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for finance and accounting?
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Are you saying that
that was the, you know,
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were you forced to take that up?
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Was that like a family thing
that was
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here's what you're going to do?
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Did you make the choices,
not make the choice?
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-I feel like I kind of
made the choice, right?
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So I was -- I was kind of raised
in an environment...
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First of all, you know,
as immigrant parents,
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it was the idea
of survival and stability.
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It was all tied
to the ability to provide.
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And the kind of key to that,
at least for my parents,
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was higher education.
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So when it kind of came time
to apply for schools,
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first of all, my science
marks are absolute shit.
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So that was never
going to happen, you know?
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So we got that out
of the way real fast.
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But then I was like, okay,
what about --
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what about this idea
of like business and finance?
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Because it's still
kind of somewhat prestigious
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and still somewhat
parentally approved, you know?
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But, you know, there's a --
there's a side of that
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that's like, oh, maybe,
you know, if I'm really
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successful at it,
I get the -- I get the nice car,
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I get the nice suit.
-Okay.
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-And part of that was appealing
to me at least at 18.
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So that's what I did, thinking
that that's what I truly wanted.
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-Was it a thing where
your parents
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put a certain amount of pressure
on you because of their success?
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-Constantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-Really?
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-Absolutely.
I mean, for my parents, right?
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Like, they -- they made
the decision
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to leave the country
that they grew up in,
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that they called home, you know,
the language and the culture
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that they're familiar with
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and they swapped that out
for an entirely new environment
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where they did not understand
the culture,
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they did not understand,
you know, the language,
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and the only thing that
really was the through line
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through all of that
was the education.
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-Mm-hmm.
-And so it was like, you know,
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my dad pursued his Ph.D.
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in electrical
engineering in Canada,
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and that's what allowed him
to work as an engineer.
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It was -- it's such
a myopic view of success
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because it was, A, tried
and true and B,
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yeah, all that
they knew in life.
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-It's kind of crazy though,
because I relate
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and understand
the side of a parent
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saying I gave up
what I knew to go try
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what I don't know
for a better life for you.
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I don't want -- I don't want
your life to be what mine's was.
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So my sacrifice
was for your benefit.
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-Absolutely.
-And if a kid doesn't truly
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engage and respond
to said sacrifice,
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then it's almost coming off
as a fuck you to the parents
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when ultimately
that's not the case.
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It's like what you did
is right.
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You gave me the opportunity
to see this other thing,
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and look at what I can do now.
I can do something and be happy.
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-And it's so ironic because
they can't even --
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-They can't understand it.
-They're like, well,
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I did this for you, so you can
have every opportunity
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and I don't want you to be me,
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but then they do want you
to be them in a way.
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They want you succeed
on their terms.
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-It's a little backwards.
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-No, but you're
absolutely right.
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I can't, you know,
you can't knock that.
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And, you know, I will say
growing up was -- was hard.
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Being in that household
and dealing with that pressure
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every single day was hard.
273
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But -- but now it's -- it's been
really interesting
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seeing my parents evolve
and adapt to the world
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that they are now being exposed
to in entertainment
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and understanding
that like an Asian person,
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a Chinese Canadian person
can affect Western culture
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and can be a part of it
and can be accepted by it.
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-Have you sat down
with the parents
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and had a conversation of,
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I just want to let you guys know
that I -- I understand
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what you did and I understand
what you went through
283
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and I understand what that --
what that did for me.
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And I wouldn't be here today...
-Absolutely.
285
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You did have that?
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
286
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-What was their --
what was their response to that?
287
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-Well, it was it was mixed,
right?
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Because I had a lot, I mean,
I had to do a lot
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in this conversation.
I had to let them know
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how grateful I was
for the sacrifices.
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I had to know that I understood
the choice that they made
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and all that they overcame
to come here.
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But, you know,
I also needed them to know
294
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that they were quite shitty
at times, right?
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That there are moments where,
you know,
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it's like
when they're telling me
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that I was the worst thing that
ever happened to them that like,
298
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you know...
-It stuck.
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-...that stuck,
and it's very hard for me
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to undo that mental baggage
301
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and to kind of just forget
302
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that those scars exist,
you know?
303
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-How long have you felt
like you wore those scars?
304
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Like how long -- how long
were were they suppressed?
305
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Like, were there things
that you've ever voiced
306
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or blurted out before,
you felt like you kept on
307
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the wraps until the point
where you...?
308
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-Well, yeah.
I think in the beginning
309
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it was all very like,
you know, shouting matches
310
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and, you know,
things got physical
311
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and all of those things
that happened in a --
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in a household where like
you got two generations
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that fundamentally just
don't understand each other
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and don't understand
each other's way of life.
315
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It's just clashing
and butting heads all the time.
316
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So it was like, fuck you,
fuck you, you know?
317
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Get out of the house, get out.
You're out, you know?
318
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-Tempers are flaring.
-Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
319
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And and I think
I wore that with me,
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you know,
throughout my college years.
321
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I feel like college was good
because I moved away.
322
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It created some space
and separation,
323
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And I got the job
out of graduation.
324
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-Where you go to college?
-I went to college
325
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at the University
of Western Ontario.
326
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-Okay, Alright.
-In London, Ontario.
327
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-That's what I was gonna say.
That's the good London.
328
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-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-[ Laughs ]
329
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-Alright. So in London, Ontario,
you're going to college now.
330
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-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm still, by the way,
331
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I'm still
that version of myself.
332
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-I was going to say
you're still following --
333
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-Is slacker that's still like,
yeah.
334
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I mean, I was like,
my average was coming up short
335
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and I was like, begging.
336
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I was like begging
the departments
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to let me stay in school.
338
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And my parents didn't know
any of this, of course.
339
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They just knew
that at the end of it,
340
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I somehow managed to swindle
341
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my way into a job offer.
342
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-Wow.
-And so I worked --
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I got a job offer at Deloitte,
344
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was one of the big four
accounting firms.
345
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-Accounting. I was gonna say
it's accounting.
346
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-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-Okay.
347
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So I'm guessing getting that
the accounting job didn't last.
348
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-No, no. I was -- I was fired
about eight
349
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and a half or nine months in.
350
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-Wow.
-Yeah.
351
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-Parents know?
-Not -- not initially.
352
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Not initially.
-How long you hide it?
353
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-I managed to hide it
until actually
354
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I had a commercial
that was about
355
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to come out nationally.
356
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And if I didn't tell them,
then they were going to turn
357
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on the TV one day
and see their son on the phone
358
00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:11,958
selling some small
business cellphone plans.
359
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-So -- so let's --
let's transition then.
360
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-Yeah.
-Okay, I mean, the conversation
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has gone, as a matter of fact.
362
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Before we do that,
let's take a break.
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That's right.
Let's take a break.
364
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We've got more
heavy conversation,
365
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more understanding, more truth
366
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when we come back with
more "Hart to Heart" after this.
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**
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**
369
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-We are back, guys.
We're back.
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And I'm still here
with Simu Liu,
371
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and I want to
go deeper right now, right?
372
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Somehow you make
the decision to transition
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into the world of entertainment,
the world of acting.
374
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Right? Of course,
this is no easy transition.
375
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I mean, goodness gracious,
376
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you were in school
in London, Ontario.
377
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-Yeah, what the fuck
was I thinking?
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Why would I?
379
00:14:00,715 --> 00:14:02,175
-I don't know how or what,
380
00:14:02,217 --> 00:14:05,303
but how where does it --
where does it happen?
381
00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:06,513
How do the will start spinning?
382
00:14:06,554 --> 00:14:08,973
-Yeah.
-And and how do you say fuck it,
383
00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:10,475
this is the road
that I'm now going down?
384
00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:13,603
-Yeah, I think it's a very --
I mean, I have no idea
385
00:14:13,645 --> 00:14:16,106
why the idea of --
of being an entertainer
386
00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:18,483
has always
kind of stuck in my brain,
387
00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:21,778
especially, like, I wasn't
the theater geek as a kid.
388
00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:23,029
You know, I wasn't, like,
constantly
389
00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:24,739
looking for ways
to be in front of people.
390
00:14:24,781 --> 00:14:26,950
I wasn't constantly trying to
tell jokes, make people laugh.
391
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:30,578
Like, I definitely wanted to be
cool, I wanted to be accepted.
392
00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:32,872
And I feel like probably
a part of me, you know,
393
00:14:32,914 --> 00:14:34,457
saw the respect
394
00:14:34,499 --> 00:14:37,460
and the adulation
that celebrities and,
395
00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:40,338
you know, those types of people
got and was like, "I want that."
396
00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:42,132
-If you don't mind me asking,
at the time,
397
00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:43,675
who are you watching?
Like, who -- who was it
398
00:14:43,717 --> 00:14:47,887
that -- that caught your eye
and it made you feel like,
399
00:14:47,929 --> 00:14:49,681
oh, my God, I want that.
I want to feel that.
400
00:14:49,723 --> 00:14:51,391
-Oh, man.
401
00:14:51,433 --> 00:14:52,851
When I was --
when I was in sixth grade,
402
00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:54,352
I had a crush on a girl.
403
00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:57,022
Her name was Jackie,
and all the guys in the class
404
00:14:57,063 --> 00:14:59,315
Like Jackie,
but Jackie like Thomas.
405
00:14:59,357 --> 00:15:01,651
Thomas was this, you know,
he was like --
406
00:15:01,693 --> 00:15:03,111
he was his blond,
407
00:15:03,153 --> 00:15:05,196
he kind of was like
a Aaron Carter lookalike...
408
00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:07,323
-Son of a bitch.
-...with frosted tips.
409
00:15:07,365 --> 00:15:08,700
-Mother...
-Yeah, I know.
410
00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:10,035
I didn't stand a chance, though.
411
00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:13,121
I was like this, you know,
dorky Asian kid.
412
00:15:13,163 --> 00:15:14,914
My parents never, like,
gave me a talk,
413
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never taught me
how to talk to women.
414
00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,918
We didn't have
those conversations.
415
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,962
I mean, those --
I mean, literally,
416
00:15:21,004 --> 00:15:22,297
we didn't have
any conversation apart
417
00:15:22,339 --> 00:15:23,882
from why aren't you
studying harder?
418
00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:24,883
What are you doing
with your life?
419
00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:26,384
You know, stuff like that.
420
00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:28,053
-Girls wasn't even the topic.
-Exactly, exactly.
421
00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:31,264
So, I mean, I just came in and I
had no idea how to do anything.
422
00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:34,392
And then on top of that,
as an Asian -- as an Asian boy,
423
00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,353
I feel like, you know,
everything you're consuming
424
00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:38,938
in the media is telling you
that you're one thing, right?
425
00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:40,315
Like you're a dorky kid,
426
00:15:40,357 --> 00:15:41,858
and you're you're just
kind of like,
427
00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:43,193
don't see a way for you...
428
00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:44,736
-Not seeing the opposite
or hearing the opposite.
429
00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:46,821
-Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.
430
00:15:46,863 --> 00:15:49,199
But Jackie was a big NSYNC fan.
431
00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,576
So Jackie was all about
JC Chasez,
432
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:53,620
Justin Timberlake.
-Yes, Justin Timberlake.
433
00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:55,789
-So I was like, you know,
I was watching, you know,
434
00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:56,956
would watch their music videos
435
00:15:56,998 --> 00:15:58,416
and would buy all their
CDs, too.
436
00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,043
And be like, I just.
[indistinct]
437
00:16:00,085 --> 00:16:01,586
-Used to dance.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
438
00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:04,464
-You could dance?
-Yeah, well, I had to.
439
00:16:04,506 --> 00:16:06,091
I taught, you know,
I taught myself that.
440
00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:07,467
-That was your in.
-That was what I was doing.
441
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:09,260
-You were that went up
to girls like,
442
00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:11,805
"Hey, what's up?"
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
443
00:16:11,846 --> 00:16:14,641
-Yeah, yeah.
[ Laughs ]
444
00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:16,518
-What I didn't realize that
I probably should have realized,
445
00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:19,437
and you probably know, is that
having a solid sense of humor
446
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,231
and self-awareness and like...
-Is the best.
447
00:16:21,272 --> 00:16:22,691
-...that -- that beats anything.
448
00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:26,277
But I thought at the time
I was like, great dancing,
449
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:29,197
good luck, six pack or whatever.
I mean...
450
00:16:29,239 --> 00:16:30,782
-Were you the guy that
come comes up and flip?
451
00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,450
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You go up and you're like --
452
00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:34,786
-"Hey, how you doing, Jackie?"
And just somersault.
453
00:16:34,828 --> 00:16:36,287
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-"Hey, I'm going to say
454
00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:37,956
good morning,"
and then just walk off.
455
00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,666
-Yeah, exactly.
-Those guys.
456
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:42,293
-Yeah. Nobody likes those guys.
-No, nobody likes those guys.
457
00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:43,712
Humor beats those guys
every day.
458
00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:45,463
-Right. right.
-Every day of the week.
459
00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:47,841
Every day.
-I was that guy until I was,
460
00:16:47,882 --> 00:16:49,968
like, 25 years old, you know?
461
00:16:50,010 --> 00:16:52,637
So I'm a late bloomer.
462
00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,472
-You're late.
You're a late bloomer.
463
00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,474
But I love the honesty about it.
I love the honesty about it.
464
00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:57,976
So you're now -- you now make
465
00:16:58,018 --> 00:16:59,185
the decision,
we're going to pursue,
466
00:16:59,227 --> 00:17:00,395
we're going to follow acting.
467
00:17:00,437 --> 00:17:02,313
But where do you go?
What's the road?
468
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:04,691
I still understand how you
figured out a road to take.
469
00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:07,652
Like it's not as if you're
in the environment
470
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:10,321
where there's
this revolving door
471
00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:12,323
of people that's getting
opportunity.
472
00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:13,825
-It's not "La-La Land."
-No.
473
00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:15,994
So, where do you find
the first opportunity,
474
00:17:16,036 --> 00:17:19,039
or what -- what was the
opportunity that made you go,
475
00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,166
oh, okay, this -- this can work?
-Yeah, yeah.
476
00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:23,335
-There's a possibility
of me doing this?
477
00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:25,170
-I went on Craigslist.
-Okay.
478
00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:29,424
-I went on Craigslist and I
literally searched acting gigs,
479
00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:31,509
and I found myself on the set...
480
00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,345
Because once in a while,
you know, when you're doing
481
00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:37,057
like a big movie, they're --
they cast for extras, right?
482
00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:38,600
And so this movie,
"Pacific Rim,"
483
00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:40,518
happened to have a scene
that was set in Hong Kong.
484
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,312
-Okay.
-And so they needed, like,
485
00:17:42,354 --> 00:17:46,107
hundreds of like Asian extras
to play Chinese people.
486
00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:50,153
And so I responded
to the -- to the ad,
487
00:17:50,195 --> 00:17:51,529
and either I was, I don't know,
488
00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,531
either I was going to be
in a softcore porno
489
00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:56,284
and they just went -- or it
was going to be the real deal.
490
00:17:56,326 --> 00:17:58,328
But I showed up, it was
Pinewood Studios in Toronto
491
00:17:58,370 --> 00:17:59,913
and it was like the real thing.
492
00:17:59,954 --> 00:18:01,748
And all of a sudden I'm thrust
on set, and it's like
493
00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,708
Guillermo del Toro,
you know, it's like
494
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,711
Idris Elba is on set,
Charlie Day is on set.
495
00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:09,214
-So you get there,
you're on set, you're an extra.
496
00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:11,132
-And it's the most incredible
environment
497
00:18:11,174 --> 00:18:12,676
that you've ever seen.
498
00:18:12,717 --> 00:18:14,719
You know, it's like the cameras,
the people moving around.
499
00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:18,098
It's like when you're on those
like $100, $150 million movies,
500
00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:19,766
they're like
hundreds of people on set.
501
00:18:19,808 --> 00:18:22,686
Everyone has their own role,
has their own purpose,
502
00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:24,938
and everyone is just
coexisting and gelling.
503
00:18:24,979 --> 00:18:27,524
And every -- everything
is active and moving.
504
00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:29,317
And we're in this like,
you know,
505
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,569
people have built this entire
Hong Kong neighborhood
506
00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,780
that has been just leveled
by a nuclear bomb.
507
00:18:33,822 --> 00:18:35,782
And it just looks like
the coolest fucking thing
508
00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,743
I've ever seen in my life,
and I'm like, I don't know.
509
00:18:38,785 --> 00:18:40,537
I don't know what I'm doing
with the rest of my life,
510
00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:42,205
but I got to --
I got to get back here.
511
00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:43,415
-I got to do this.
-Yeah.
512
00:18:43,456 --> 00:18:45,083
-I got to do this.
-Yeah, yeah.
513
00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:47,585
-The inlet.
-The inlet, exactly.
514
00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:50,380
-You saw --
You saw and,
515
00:18:50,422 --> 00:18:52,257
oh, my God, this is it.
516
00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:53,591
This is what I'm supposed to do.
517
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:55,301
-Do you remember
what that moment was for you?
518
00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:57,262
-Absolutely. I went on stage
at an amateur night
519
00:18:57,303 --> 00:18:59,222
and the bright light
was in my face,
520
00:18:59,264 --> 00:19:00,724
and I heard people laugh.
521
00:19:00,765 --> 00:19:03,101
Wasn't the biggest laugh.
I heard people laugh.
522
00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:08,064
I heard -- I said a joke,
and I heard people go [laughs].
523
00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:10,233
And I said I don't ever --
524
00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,318
I don't never not
want to hear that again.
525
00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,696
-Yeah.
-That, oh, my God.
526
00:19:14,738 --> 00:19:18,283
I sat up straight, my -- my
attention was different.
527
00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:20,118
I got a little more animated.
528
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,745
-That first little crumb
of validation.
529
00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:23,246
It was like, you can --
you can do this.
530
00:19:23,288 --> 00:19:24,622
-It was everything.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
531
00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,374
-Guys, we're gonna
take another break.
532
00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:28,626
We got more "Hart to Heart" when
we get back after this.
533
00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:35,216
**
534
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,767
**
535
00:19:43,808 --> 00:19:45,018
-We're back, guys.
536
00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:47,687
We're back, And I'm still here
with Simu Liu.
537
00:19:47,729 --> 00:19:51,608
I'm hearing that there was
a moment where, you know,
538
00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:54,611
the job world view
got a little tough.
539
00:19:54,652 --> 00:19:57,280
And you were -- you were like
a Spider-Man
540
00:19:57,322 --> 00:19:59,407
at kids parties
for a little while, right?
541
00:19:59,449 --> 00:20:01,451
-Yeah.
-You were doing Spider-Man work,
542
00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:02,619
showing up at the parties,
being Spider-Man.
543
00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,496
-For sure, yeah.
-75 bucks an hour.
544
00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:06,539
-Kids fucking with you,
doing whatever, right?
545
00:20:06,581 --> 00:20:08,583
-100 percent, yeah, yeah.
-At the time,
546
00:20:08,625 --> 00:20:10,293
A Marvel fan or not?
-Yeah, yeah.
547
00:20:10,335 --> 00:20:11,795
-Yeah?
-Big, big, superhero.
548
00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:14,047
I mean -- I mean, you know,
my -- my vision board
549
00:20:14,089 --> 00:20:16,633
in the very beginning of,
like, imaginary vision board,
550
00:20:16,675 --> 00:20:18,802
but my -- my goal
at the very beginning was like,
551
00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:20,595
oh, I want to -- I would love
to be a superhero.
552
00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:22,555
-Okay.
-That was the -- I didn't think
553
00:20:22,597 --> 00:20:25,975
it would I mean, not like that,
but that was a way to
554
00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:27,519
because I had gotten laid off
from the job.
555
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,853
I'd also made the decision to,
556
00:20:28,895 --> 00:20:30,689
like, give this
acting thing a go.
557
00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:32,482
But yeah,
I just didn't have the capital.
558
00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:33,942
-So, what's the word
on the tweet?
559
00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:35,777
Like, there's a -- there's
a tweet that exists...
560
00:20:35,819 --> 00:20:38,154
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-...of you kind of --
561
00:20:38,196 --> 00:20:42,867
of foreshadowing the world
of you being in Marvel.
562
00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:44,661
-Right.
-And is this real or is it...?
563
00:20:44,703 --> 00:20:46,329
-No, it's real, it's real.
I remember, you know,
564
00:20:46,371 --> 00:20:48,998
at one point I think
it was like 2014 or 2015.
565
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,251
I tweeted --
I tweeted like, "Hey, @Marvel,
566
00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:53,628
great job with Captain American
and Thor.
567
00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:56,673
Two -- two white guys.
How about an Asian superhero?
568
00:20:56,715 --> 00:20:58,383
How about an Asian American
superhero is actually
569
00:20:58,425 --> 00:20:59,884
what I -- what I said.
-Fucking around.
570
00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:01,511
-Yeah, fucking around,
nobody ever --
571
00:21:01,553 --> 00:21:03,179
and nobody ever saw it.
572
00:21:03,221 --> 00:21:04,639
I forgot about it.
573
00:21:04,681 --> 00:21:06,683
And then, you know, yeah,
fast-forward --
574
00:21:06,725 --> 00:21:09,686
fast-forward five years
and I'm, you know, I get cast,
575
00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:11,354
I get marched out
in front of Comic-Con
576
00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:12,647
and then somebody is like,
577
00:21:12,689 --> 00:21:14,232
"Do you remember
that you tweeted this?"
578
00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:15,358
-That's not a little
surreal to you.
579
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,568
-It's crazy, yeah.
580
00:21:16,609 --> 00:21:18,111
The power of,
like, manifestation
581
00:21:18,153 --> 00:21:20,780
and the power of, yeah.
-Of just saying something...
582
00:21:20,822 --> 00:21:22,198
-Yeah.
-And then -- and then
583
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,908
becoming the guy.
-Yeah.
584
00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:25,535
-Becoming the guy.
585
00:21:25,577 --> 00:21:28,621
What's the feeling
of conversation with being a guy
586
00:21:28,663 --> 00:21:31,916
who's the first to become,
the first ever?
587
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,627
Oh, my God, The first
ever to cover a magazine?
588
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:35,837
-Oh, my God.
-The first to step
589
00:21:35,879 --> 00:21:37,213
on the stage
and take the trophy?
590
00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:38,590
Like, what is that now?
591
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:41,801
-It is honestly so constant,
that when I was
592
00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:43,386
on "SNL" in November,
we made a skit
593
00:21:43,428 --> 00:21:45,305
making fun of it
where we just started
594
00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:46,765
being like first person
to ride
595
00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:48,808
a fucking dragon, first person
to play, you know?
596
00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:50,685
You know, like we just started
throwing it around
597
00:21:50,727 --> 00:21:52,729
because it is,
it happens all the time.
598
00:21:52,771 --> 00:21:55,523
It's not the first time I found
myself in that conversation,
599
00:21:55,565 --> 00:21:57,150
because before I did
the Marvel thing,
600
00:21:57,192 --> 00:21:58,902
I was on -- I was on a sitcom
called "Kim's Convenience."
601
00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:01,071
We did -- we did comedy
for like five years,
602
00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:02,572
and at the time, too,
603
00:22:02,614 --> 00:22:04,991
that was like the groundbreaking
thing with, you know,
604
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:08,328
an all-Asian cast and barriers
were being broken and all that.
605
00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,789
And I think it's easy
to get cynical
606
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:12,248
when -- when this stuff happens
607
00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:13,583
and you're answering
these questions
608
00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,460
for like the 500th time
and all that.
609
00:22:15,502 --> 00:22:18,630
But -- but I just I think
back to, you know,
610
00:22:18,672 --> 00:22:20,757
when I was first starting out,
611
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:24,344
the world that I believed
was available to me, right?
612
00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:28,598
I was an extra, and I would look
at the the only other Asian guys
613
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,809
that I saw were the stunt guys.
614
00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:32,352
And because those are
the only ones
615
00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:33,603
that could really have a future,
616
00:22:33,645 --> 00:22:36,439
because if you were
an Asian actor
617
00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:38,233
and you
didn't know martial arts,
618
00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:39,442
well, then hell,
you're playing --
619
00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:40,902
you're playing geek
number three.
620
00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:44,364
You're playing at best,
at best, a best friend
621
00:22:44,406 --> 00:22:45,907
of some main character.
622
00:22:45,949 --> 00:22:49,786
You know, it was unfathomable
that we could actually
623
00:22:49,828 --> 00:22:53,998
have a story that was --
that was about being Asian
624
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,959
in a place
like America or Canada.
625
00:22:56,001 --> 00:23:00,171
It just wasn't even on the -- on
the, you know, on the horizon.
626
00:23:00,213 --> 00:23:04,300
So when I first got in, I was,
you know, I -- I didn't, I mean,
627
00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:06,011
I didn't actually think
I was going to be a superhero.
628
00:23:06,052 --> 00:23:07,762
I just thought, oh,
maybe I'll just fuck around
629
00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:10,557
and maybe I'll be a stuntman
or something,
630
00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:12,684
but I would just be happy
as long as there's
631
00:23:12,726 --> 00:23:14,644
a camera around
and we're on the set.
632
00:23:14,686 --> 00:23:18,314
-So now, as we're now seeing
major progress,
633
00:23:18,356 --> 00:23:19,733
we're seeing major progress.
634
00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,776
And we're not only talking about
being the stars
635
00:23:21,818 --> 00:23:26,990
of these crazy box office
vehicles, but we're talking --
636
00:23:27,032 --> 00:23:29,617
-You're talking about being
the master of that narrative
637
00:23:29,659 --> 00:23:32,829
of not just being a face
in front of a screen that...
638
00:23:32,871 --> 00:23:36,583
You know, I'm a huge Jackie Chan
fan, massive Jet Li fan.
639
00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,835
Like, those are the guys
that I watch growing up, right.
640
00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:41,546
But when you look at those
movies, the "Rush Hours"
641
00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:43,006
and the "Shanghai Noons"
and the, you know,
642
00:23:43,048 --> 00:23:45,508
the "Cradle 2 the Grave,"
which I loved by the way.
643
00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:46,968
It was Jet Li and DMX.
644
00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:48,428
-And until this day,
I still don't understand it.
645
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:49,721
-It's Black and Asian
solidarity.
646
00:23:49,763 --> 00:23:51,806
-It's the best casting,
647
00:23:51,848 --> 00:23:54,476
it's the worst best chemistry
I've ever seen,
648
00:23:54,517 --> 00:23:55,977
and that's the best way
to describe it.
649
00:23:56,019 --> 00:23:59,773
-But I mean, those were movies
that were dreamt up
650
00:23:59,814 --> 00:24:02,776
by non-Asian people,
and they -- and they put Jackie
651
00:24:02,817 --> 00:24:05,695
and they put Jet in that movie
to be the foreigner,
652
00:24:05,737 --> 00:24:07,697
to be the other guy
that didn't speak English,
653
00:24:07,739 --> 00:24:09,908
that would come in
and maybe provide comic relief
654
00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:11,618
or just be the guy
that didn't understand
655
00:24:11,659 --> 00:24:13,370
or didn't speak the language.
656
00:24:13,411 --> 00:24:15,205
And there's something different.
657
00:24:15,246 --> 00:24:16,706
There is something shifting now.
658
00:24:16,748 --> 00:24:19,084
-Absolutely.
-First of all, you know, we have
659
00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:22,212
Asian-American filmmakers
that can speak to,
660
00:24:22,253 --> 00:24:24,714
specifically, the type
of upbringing that I had
661
00:24:24,756 --> 00:24:26,966
or the life --
the life that I led.
662
00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:28,927
You know, all of the things
that come with that,
663
00:24:28,968 --> 00:24:30,720
whether it's
the parental pressure
664
00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:33,598
or, you know, the idea
of like being Asian in a society
665
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,933
that doesn't believe
that Asian people
666
00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:36,851
are a part of it,
you know, stuff like that.
667
00:24:36,893 --> 00:24:39,020
-Well, I think is more --
I think more now
668
00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:42,607
what we're realizing today
is that there's a want
669
00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:45,026
for the real side
of information, right?
670
00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:47,737
There's a want for
the real side of heritage,
671
00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:50,573
for the real understanding
of family and value within it.
672
00:24:50,615 --> 00:24:51,866
There's a real one, right?
673
00:24:51,908 --> 00:24:53,493
Because we lived off
of the stereotype.
674
00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,036
We lived off
of the hypothetical.
675
00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:57,747
We lived off of what we thought
we knew for so long,
676
00:24:57,789 --> 00:25:00,917
and we've made promises, movies,
TV based off of that.
677
00:25:00,959 --> 00:25:02,794
But I feel like now
there's a want and need,
678
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,421
a desire for the truth.
679
00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:07,757
-And I love you talking about
being an active participant
680
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,134
in that career.
I mean -- I mean,
681
00:25:09,175 --> 00:25:11,011
obviously I knew that
because you run
682
00:25:11,052 --> 00:25:12,595
a very successful
production company.
683
00:25:12,637 --> 00:25:15,098
You like, you know --
You know, it's funny
684
00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:17,267
because it starts from a dream
that's so simple,
685
00:25:17,308 --> 00:25:20,770
which is I want to make people
laugh, but then it builds.
686
00:25:20,812 --> 00:25:24,024
And I mean, I see the process
through which you've evolved
687
00:25:24,065 --> 00:25:28,695
from standup comedian to like,
you know, producer to mogul,
688
00:25:28,737 --> 00:25:30,363
dare I say?
-Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
689
00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:31,865
-I mean, I would want to know
690
00:25:31,906 --> 00:25:33,616
what -- what is the thinking
behind that?
691
00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:37,162
Who trained you in business,
in show business?
692
00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:39,956
Where, you know, where did
that mentorship come from?
693
00:25:39,998 --> 00:25:43,543
I mean, as grateful as I am
to be the Marvel guy,
694
00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:46,546
I also want to be the guy
that's in charge of
695
00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,715
I want to tell this story,
I want to play this character.
696
00:25:48,757 --> 00:25:50,675
-I have a service to do,
which is answer that question,
697
00:25:50,717 --> 00:25:51,968
but let's do when we come back.
698
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:53,470
Guys, we're gonna take
another break.
699
00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:55,388
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when get back after this.
700
00:25:55,430 --> 00:26:01,728
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701
00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:10,737
**
702
00:26:10,779 --> 00:26:12,322
-We are back, guys,
703
00:26:12,364 --> 00:26:14,366
and what an amazing
conversation to come back to.
704
00:26:14,407 --> 00:26:15,867
I'm still here with Simu Liu.
705
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:18,870
And, you know, your question
was just about just me
706
00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:21,956
and the the -- the now,
right.
707
00:26:21,998 --> 00:26:24,793
The building of this,
let's just call it
708
00:26:24,834 --> 00:26:27,921
knock on wood, "empire."
709
00:26:27,962 --> 00:26:29,839
The creating behind
the ecosystem
710
00:26:29,881 --> 00:26:33,885
and just seeing how you
can connect certain dots.
711
00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:37,472
For me, I think
the real American dream
712
00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:41,810
is the dream that doesn't have
an ending to it, right?
713
00:26:41,851 --> 00:26:44,813
Because after you succeed,
714
00:26:44,854 --> 00:26:47,315
well, some people stop
and go, wow, I did it.
715
00:26:47,357 --> 00:26:50,193
And then some people go, okay,
well, I can do some more.
716
00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:52,529
-Yeah.
-I've been to do some more guy
717
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:53,947
for a long time,
718
00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:56,157
and I think for me
as I get older,
719
00:26:56,199 --> 00:26:59,202
it's just making sure
that I don't lose a drive,
720
00:26:59,244 --> 00:27:01,496
that I don't --
that I don't lose energy
721
00:27:01,538 --> 00:27:02,997
to get up in the morning and do.
722
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:05,834
-And -- and I love
that you continually,
723
00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:07,627
I mean, you're continually
challenging yourself.
724
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:12,841
Like, your last few films that
you did really skewed serious,
725
00:27:12,882 --> 00:27:16,678
really dramatic work
that you were incredible in.
726
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,346
-Trying to switch it up...
-Yeah.
727
00:27:18,388 --> 00:27:20,140
-...find that excitement.
728
00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:22,642
For you, I mean, look,
let's -- let's talk.
729
00:27:22,684 --> 00:27:24,728
You want to talk about now work.
730
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:26,688
We're talking about the one.
731
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:29,733
You -- you shot out,
you did earlier work.
732
00:27:29,774 --> 00:27:31,317
The Marvel side came in,
oh, my God,
733
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,195
that's bigger work
with talks of a sequel now.
734
00:27:34,237 --> 00:27:36,031
You're in that machine.
735
00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:38,533
Is that machine
what you thought it would be?
736
00:27:38,575 --> 00:27:42,704
Or that machine come with some,
oh, God, holy shit?
737
00:27:42,746 --> 00:27:45,874
Like, where -- what's
the mindset of you
738
00:27:45,915 --> 00:27:47,751
to Marvel, in a respectful way?
739
00:27:47,792 --> 00:27:49,878
I don't want you to get
yourself in trouble here,
740
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,048
but what's the mind of you
now in Marvel?
741
00:27:53,089 --> 00:27:56,968
Oh, my God, success.
How long am I in this?
742
00:27:57,010 --> 00:27:59,012
What do I want
outside of this is as well?
743
00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:00,472
-Absolutely.
-Are you thinking that way now?
744
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,891
-Yes, absolutely.
I think from day one, you know,
745
00:28:02,932 --> 00:28:06,561
first of all, I mean -- I mean,
one call from Kevin Feige.
746
00:28:06,603 --> 00:28:08,271
He changed my life forever.
-Okay.
747
00:28:08,313 --> 00:28:10,106
-I mean, you could --
there are a million
748
00:28:10,148 --> 00:28:11,691
different first chances
that you could get,
749
00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:14,903
whether it's
like a network pilot or like,
750
00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:16,988
you know,
some indie movie that you do.
751
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:18,531
It didn't have to be Marvel.
752
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,034
-No, this is "the".
-But this is the gold standard.
753
00:28:21,076 --> 00:28:23,036
-You got "the" first chance.
-It's like, holy shit, you know,
754
00:28:23,078 --> 00:28:24,704
imagine that being
your first -- first movie?
755
00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:28,750
So, I mean, I was -- I wanted to
be very proactive off the bat.
756
00:28:28,792 --> 00:28:30,251
You know,
I went to business school
757
00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:31,544
and even though I didn't pay
attention for like
758
00:28:31,586 --> 00:28:33,588
98 percent of it,
I still retained
759
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:35,298
enough of the knowledge
to be like,
760
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:38,093
great, to be stagnant
is death, right?
761
00:28:38,134 --> 00:28:40,679
You have to kind of find a way
to take ownership,
762
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,058
and I think Marvel was fantastic
in getting me that platform.
763
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:48,395
And I truthfully,
truthfully, I have nothing
764
00:28:48,436 --> 00:28:50,772
but fantastic things to say
because they've been wonderful.
765
00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:55,652
What I will say is nobody
prepares you to be famous.
766
00:28:55,694 --> 00:28:57,779
-No.
-There's no class.
767
00:28:57,821 --> 00:29:01,866
And try, as someone might,
to design that class,
768
00:29:01,908 --> 00:29:03,410
if they haven't been
through it themselves,
769
00:29:03,451 --> 00:29:07,872
they have no fucking idea
what all of that life entails,
770
00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:10,375
what it means
to lose the ability
771
00:29:10,417 --> 00:29:14,921
to have just a person-to-person
conversation out on the street.
772
00:29:14,963 --> 00:29:16,631
Because now when you step out...
773
00:29:16,673 --> 00:29:18,258
-It's different.
-...It's different.
774
00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:21,136
People see you, but they don't
really see you.
775
00:29:21,177 --> 00:29:23,388
They see...
-You're -- you're the thing.
776
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:25,306
You become -- you become a
version of that.
777
00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:27,475
And you know what?
I say this all the time.
778
00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:29,269
I mean, rightfully so, right?
779
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:31,813
There's a gift and a curse
attached to anything great.
780
00:29:31,855 --> 00:29:33,106
There's so much
that goes with that,
781
00:29:33,148 --> 00:29:35,358
so when you say
you're not prepared
782
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,445
or nobody can prepare you,
you're absolutely right.
783
00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:41,990
And the crazy part is it's just
the beginning of it for you.
784
00:29:42,032 --> 00:29:43,867
-[ Laughs ]
-This is the crazy part.
785
00:29:43,908 --> 00:29:45,285
-Yeah, yeah, yeah,
-Like, if you -- if we were
786
00:29:45,326 --> 00:29:47,704
talking
to the untalented guy,
787
00:29:47,746 --> 00:29:49,247
well, then it's different.
788
00:29:49,289 --> 00:29:51,207
If we're talking to the guy here
that's not charismatic,
789
00:29:51,249 --> 00:29:53,209
we're talking to a guy here
that can't hold the conversation
790
00:29:53,251 --> 00:29:54,878
or the guy
that I'm pulling teeth from
791
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:56,004
during the course
of an interview,
792
00:29:56,046 --> 00:29:57,630
well, this is different.
793
00:29:57,672 --> 00:29:59,799
It's was going to be a short
role for you, but good luck.
794
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:01,384
But we're not talking
to that guy.
795
00:30:01,426 --> 00:30:03,928
Like, we're talking to a guy
that wants more.
796
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:06,973
And the more you want,
well, the more success
797
00:30:07,015 --> 00:30:08,516
and the more fame
that comes with that.
798
00:30:08,558 --> 00:30:12,854
So, you know, what is your
attitude towards more fame,
799
00:30:12,896 --> 00:30:14,856
towards more success?
800
00:30:14,898 --> 00:30:18,735
-I mean -- I mean, I feel like
I still retain
801
00:30:18,777 --> 00:30:21,363
so much of what my parents
put in me,
802
00:30:21,404 --> 00:30:24,699
the need to create stability,
right?
803
00:30:24,741 --> 00:30:27,118
And to me, whether it's fame...
804
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,079
I mean, I don't want to
say fame necessarily,
805
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,041
but I mean, to a degree that's
that's necessary in this system.
806
00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:35,377
It's necessary to be like
who, you know,
807
00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:38,171
who are the people that could
greenlight a project, you know,
808
00:30:38,213 --> 00:30:39,798
and am I going to be
waiting forever
809
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:41,966
or, you know -- you know,
810
00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:43,677
waiting forever for the
right opportunity to come?
811
00:30:43,718 --> 00:30:47,055
Or am I going to be the type
of person who can take ownership
812
00:30:47,097 --> 00:30:48,932
and to participate
in the projects
813
00:30:48,973 --> 00:30:50,850
that he wants on his terms?
814
00:30:50,892 --> 00:30:52,143
So that's always been
what I want.
815
00:30:52,185 --> 00:30:53,895
And it feels like,
at least right now,
816
00:30:53,937 --> 00:30:56,731
that -- that --
that this idea of fame
817
00:30:56,773 --> 00:30:58,316
is tied in
with this idea of success.
818
00:30:58,358 --> 00:31:01,236
-You have to do that
at the same time.
819
00:31:01,277 --> 00:31:04,406
See, people fuck up because
people wait, right?
820
00:31:04,447 --> 00:31:09,953
People wait until they're done
the hot run to go,
821
00:31:09,994 --> 00:31:12,247
okay, now I want to try this.
822
00:31:12,288 --> 00:31:16,334
But if you figure out a way
to do it at the same time,
823
00:31:16,376 --> 00:31:19,170
alright, I'm rolling.
We're developing part two.
824
00:31:19,212 --> 00:31:21,047
While we're developing part two,
825
00:31:21,089 --> 00:31:23,341
I'm going to start to sit
with some people that I met.
826
00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:26,094
I want to develop a thing
that I want to do.
827
00:31:26,136 --> 00:31:28,471
Hopefully by the time
we're done shooting part two,
828
00:31:28,513 --> 00:31:30,348
while we're in pre-production
for part two,
829
00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:32,517
I want to take the meetings
with the talent,
830
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,979
with the personnel producers
that I had the access to
831
00:31:36,021 --> 00:31:38,356
because of what I'm doing
for part two,
832
00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:40,025
they're going
to sit down with me.
833
00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:41,317
Because of that access.
they're going to not
834
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:42,777
only take the meetings,
they're going
835
00:31:42,819 --> 00:31:44,195
to give me
the time and attention.
836
00:31:44,237 --> 00:31:46,531
I can secure these deals,
secured these things
837
00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:48,158
so that as soon
as this is wrapped up,
838
00:31:48,199 --> 00:31:49,868
I'm right into the next thing.
-Hell yeah.
839
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:52,620
-I've always been
before project,
840
00:31:52,662 --> 00:31:54,080
in the middle of a project,
841
00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:56,166
at the end of the project,
start a new project.
842
00:31:56,207 --> 00:31:58,168
-Hell yeah.
-I never wait.
843
00:31:58,209 --> 00:32:00,962
So I've -- I've always
kept that train moving.
844
00:32:01,004 --> 00:32:03,465
Now granted, the gift
and the curse comes with,
845
00:32:03,506 --> 00:32:05,842
well, you're working
all the fucking time
846
00:32:05,884 --> 00:32:08,470
and you look up
and you ain't taking time
847
00:32:08,511 --> 00:32:12,640
to really access what's going on
or love the ones properly --
848
00:32:12,682 --> 00:32:14,309
-To be a human being.
-Yeah.
849
00:32:14,351 --> 00:32:17,604
That's a -- that's a battle
that I still have with myself.
850
00:32:17,645 --> 00:32:20,065
-I understand.
-That I'm still going through,
851
00:32:20,106 --> 00:32:23,276
but for that thing
that you're talking about,
852
00:32:23,318 --> 00:32:26,863
you have to access
those relationships
853
00:32:26,905 --> 00:32:28,823
while they're accessible.
854
00:32:28,865 --> 00:32:30,200
Don't wait
till they're not there,
855
00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:32,285
because then those
relationships go away.
856
00:32:32,327 --> 00:32:33,745
-Yeah.
-That door is shut.
857
00:32:33,787 --> 00:32:35,080
When that door shut,
you're gonna look back like
858
00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:36,498
what the fuck?
859
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:37,707
I was just the guy.
860
00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:40,460
-I've seen it happen.
-I was just the guy.
861
00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:42,253
I was just on the poster.
862
00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:43,630
They said,
we're not doing part three,
863
00:32:43,672 --> 00:32:45,006
so what are we doing?
864
00:32:45,048 --> 00:32:47,008
-But the world is fast.
The world is fast.
865
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:48,677
You can have a moment,
but it's a --
866
00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:50,178
without anything
to follow it up,
867
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:51,429
it's a flash in the pan.
-Take advantage.
868
00:32:51,471 --> 00:32:53,515
-And then they're on
to "Squid Game."
869
00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:55,392
They're on to whatever
the next thing is, you know?
870
00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:57,185
-Guys, we're gonna take
another break.
871
00:32:57,227 --> 00:32:59,729
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
872
00:32:59,771 --> 00:33:12,158
**
873
00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:20,834
**
874
00:33:20,875 --> 00:33:22,836
-We're back, guys.
We're back.
875
00:33:22,877 --> 00:33:24,295
And I'm still here
with Simu Liu.
876
00:33:24,337 --> 00:33:26,006
And there's so much excitement
877
00:33:26,047 --> 00:33:29,009
that I see in you,
just as we're talking.
878
00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:30,385
Like, you got this --
there's a --
879
00:33:30,427 --> 00:33:32,929
there's a dope ass energy
that you have.
880
00:33:32,971 --> 00:33:34,806
That energy just should
just go into
881
00:33:34,848 --> 00:33:38,018
the other things
that you want to do, too.
882
00:33:38,059 --> 00:33:39,352
-Yeah.
-And that's the beauty of it.
883
00:33:39,394 --> 00:33:40,603
Like, when you when
you get that energy
884
00:33:40,645 --> 00:33:42,313
in that other thing
you want to do,
885
00:33:42,355 --> 00:33:44,733
it's very hard for mother
fuckers to tell no
886
00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:46,359
when it's good shit.
887
00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:47,861
Nine times out of 10,
if you got
888
00:33:47,902 --> 00:33:49,320
a good piece of energy
into the thing
889
00:33:49,362 --> 00:33:51,197
that you want to do
that's different,
890
00:33:51,239 --> 00:33:53,033
that showcases your talent
in a different way...
891
00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:55,702
-Mm-hmm.
-...it's kind of hard to say no.
892
00:33:55,744 --> 00:33:59,539
True story was me saying,
I kind of want to kill somebody.
893
00:33:59,581 --> 00:34:01,082
That's how simple it was.
894
00:34:01,124 --> 00:34:03,126
It wasn't well thought out.
-[ Laughs ]
895
00:34:03,168 --> 00:34:05,337
I just want to kill somebody.
How do I do it?
896
00:34:05,378 --> 00:34:07,047
How can I do it
and make people believe it?
897
00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:08,506
-Hell yeah.
-I love "Narcos."
898
00:34:08,548 --> 00:34:10,050
I want to meet with the guy
that developed "Narcos."
899
00:34:10,091 --> 00:34:12,886
That's it.
Had access to the guy.
900
00:34:12,927 --> 00:34:14,220
-Yeah.
So for you, I would say,
901
00:34:14,262 --> 00:34:17,474
where does that side of ideas
start,
902
00:34:17,515 --> 00:34:21,603
and how do you --
how do you truly amplify.
903
00:34:21,644 --> 00:34:25,899
your world of creativity
while you're in the best,
904
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:28,193
while you're in the best engine
905
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,570
to back and support you
as a talent?
906
00:34:30,612 --> 00:34:32,947
Because you're going to be
in that for another
907
00:34:32,989 --> 00:34:35,408
two and a half, three years.
-Oh, man.
908
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:36,910
-You got to shoot the movie,
909
00:34:36,951 --> 00:34:38,370
then the movie's
got to come out.
910
00:34:38,411 --> 00:34:40,163
I mean, that movie's
not a short movie to shoot.
911
00:34:40,205 --> 00:34:41,456
How long it take you guys
to shoot the first one?
912
00:34:41,498 --> 00:34:43,166
-Man, we were in Sydney
for a year...
913
00:34:43,208 --> 00:34:44,751
because we shut down
in the middle, right?
914
00:34:44,793 --> 00:34:45,919
We shut down for four months.
915
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,087
It was originally just like
a seven,
916
00:34:47,128 --> 00:34:48,296
seven and a half month shoot,
917
00:34:48,338 --> 00:34:50,173
but then one day
you show up to work
918
00:34:50,215 --> 00:34:51,591
and the AD comes through
and it's like
919
00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:53,218
we're pulling the plug.
920
00:34:53,259 --> 00:34:55,637
See you, we don't know.
921
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,180
-Jesus.
-Yeah, yeah.
922
00:34:57,222 --> 00:34:59,307
So, I mean, yeah, they take a
while. They take a while.
923
00:34:59,349 --> 00:35:02,185
-That's -- that's insane.
That's insane.
924
00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:03,645
I don't know what I would say.
925
00:35:03,687 --> 00:35:05,730
Somebody asked me to go shoot
a movie
926
00:35:05,772 --> 00:35:07,232
for seven and half months,
first I'm probably going
927
00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:08,566
to say, go fuck yourself.
928
00:35:08,608 --> 00:35:10,610
There's no way I can do it.
-[ Laughs ]
929
00:35:10,652 --> 00:35:12,987
-For a Marvel movie?
For you kids?
930
00:35:13,029 --> 00:35:14,197
-You know what, man?
931
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,034
I -- I've had this conversation.
932
00:35:18,076 --> 00:35:19,994
My kids are a fan of Marvel.
933
00:35:20,036 --> 00:35:22,288
Uh-huh.
-I just know that I couldn't --
934
00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:26,042
I know that I can't give
that type of time.
935
00:35:26,084 --> 00:35:28,962
I got -- there's so much
that I got going on.
936
00:35:29,004 --> 00:35:30,422
-I got you.
-A movie pass
937
00:35:30,463 --> 00:35:32,799
the three-month time
for me is a lot.
938
00:35:32,841 --> 00:35:34,009
-For sure.
-Is a lot, but,
939
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:35,510
you know, who knows?
940
00:35:35,552 --> 00:35:38,304
I mean, those numbers
get to making sense in the front
941
00:35:38,346 --> 00:35:40,807
and the back end,
you know, I don't know.
942
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:42,976
And I don't know -- I don't know
if there's a costume to fit me.
943
00:35:43,018 --> 00:35:44,144
-Pay me.
944
00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:45,353
-Yeah, I don't know if a
costume...
945
00:35:45,395 --> 00:35:46,813
-Pay me, pay me.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
946
00:35:46,855 --> 00:35:48,314
-How are you with money?
947
00:35:48,356 --> 00:35:50,150
-How am I with money?
-Yes, how are you with money?
948
00:35:50,191 --> 00:35:52,235
-Well, I was -- I was
a failed account.
949
00:35:52,277 --> 00:35:53,903
So, I mean, you could take that
950
00:35:53,945 --> 00:35:55,655
to mean that I'm great with
money or you could take that
951
00:35:55,697 --> 00:35:57,157
to mean I'm absolutely
fucking shit with money.
952
00:35:57,198 --> 00:35:58,408
-It could go either way.
953
00:35:58,450 --> 00:35:59,826
-Yeah, it could really
go either way.
954
00:35:59,868 --> 00:36:01,745
-People like oh,
like, when I tell them I used
955
00:36:01,786 --> 00:36:03,455
to be an account, they're like,
"Oh, you want to do my taxes?"
956
00:36:03,496 --> 00:36:06,499
I'm like, "I was fired.
I was fired eight months."
957
00:36:06,541 --> 00:36:08,460
Like, they didn't even
let me take my exam.
958
00:36:08,501 --> 00:36:09,753
-Let me finish the sentence.
959
00:36:09,794 --> 00:36:12,464
-Yeah, let me finish
the sentence first
960
00:36:12,505 --> 00:36:15,008
before you jump on it.
961
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:16,551
I feel like I'm alright.
962
00:36:16,593 --> 00:36:19,512
My parents were -- my parents
were petrified of debt.
963
00:36:19,554 --> 00:36:21,181
-Okay.
-Petrified, like paid off
964
00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:22,515
their house in three years,
965
00:36:22,557 --> 00:36:24,351
like literally, like, bought
their first house
966
00:36:24,392 --> 00:36:26,186
and then just didn't furnish it.
967
00:36:26,227 --> 00:36:27,687
-Yeah.
-Because they were so --
968
00:36:27,729 --> 00:36:29,606
They were like maxed out
every single mortgage payment
969
00:36:29,647 --> 00:36:33,401
until we pay this thing off
because the idea of owing money
970
00:36:33,443 --> 00:36:36,154
was just so foreign
and uncomfortable to them.
971
00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:38,114
So, you know...
972
00:36:38,156 --> 00:36:40,200
-And all that falls back into
what we were just talking about,
973
00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,243
about finding ways
to become the business
974
00:36:42,285 --> 00:36:43,411
in the business.
-Yeah, yeah.
975
00:36:43,453 --> 00:36:44,662
-Finding ways
to get other
976
00:36:44,704 --> 00:36:46,664
financial revenue streams
in the business.
977
00:36:46,706 --> 00:36:48,833
-Yeah. No, those four months
that -- that we took off
978
00:36:48,875 --> 00:36:51,378
ended up being great for me
because I wrote a book
979
00:36:51,419 --> 00:36:53,380
in that time, we're publishing
this year finally.
980
00:36:53,421 --> 00:36:54,839
-Congratulations.
-Thank you.
981
00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:56,383
-What's the book called?
-It's called "We Were Dreamers."
982
00:36:56,424 --> 00:36:58,385
-Okay.
-You know, "We Were Dreamers:
983
00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:00,637
An Immigrant Superhero
Origin Story."
984
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:02,472
So it tells the story of kind
of what I -- what I
985
00:37:02,514 --> 00:37:04,015
was telling you
about my parents.
986
00:37:04,057 --> 00:37:06,643
It goes maybe back into
into their lives, you know,
987
00:37:06,685 --> 00:37:09,437
growing up in China
and making the decision
988
00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:12,357
to pursue a higher --
higher education
989
00:37:12,399 --> 00:37:13,817
in a totally different
environment,
990
00:37:13,858 --> 00:37:16,069
you know, making the decision
to put it all on the line
991
00:37:16,111 --> 00:37:19,739
and risk everything in search
of some sort of dream that,
992
00:37:19,781 --> 00:37:22,158
you know, frankly, they didn't
even fully understand,
993
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,660
because what did they know
994
00:37:23,702 --> 00:37:26,162
about America or,
you know, Canada?
995
00:37:26,204 --> 00:37:27,706
At the time,
it was just an idea.
996
00:37:27,747 --> 00:37:29,916
There's this idea that, like,
something is out there
997
00:37:29,958 --> 00:37:34,295
and I just want to take the ship
and go and see where I end up.
998
00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:35,630
-There's a gift in every curse.
-Yeah, absolutely.
999
00:37:35,672 --> 00:37:37,132
-There's a gift in every curse.
1000
00:37:37,173 --> 00:37:39,759
The curse of what came off
as bad parenting
1001
00:37:39,801 --> 00:37:41,011
from time to time,
1002
00:37:41,052 --> 00:37:45,932
the curse of struggle to you
as a young boy.
1003
00:37:45,974 --> 00:37:47,600
Of course,
living the life that you lived,
1004
00:37:47,642 --> 00:37:50,562
when you look back at it
now, those things are necessary.
1005
00:37:50,603 --> 00:37:53,732
Those moments
were absolutely necessary.
1006
00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:55,984
And just like this break,
this break is necessary.
1007
00:37:56,026 --> 00:37:59,988
Guys, we'll be right back with
more "Hart to Heart" after this.
1008
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:07,162
**
1009
00:38:10,707 --> 00:38:15,337
**
1010
00:38:15,378 --> 00:38:16,921
-We are back.
1011
00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:19,591
Still getting into it, man.
Such a great conversation.
1012
00:38:19,632 --> 00:38:22,302
I got to ask you this,
I have yet to ask you.
1013
00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:25,388
I heard that with the --
with the movie,
1014
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:28,933
you did not know
any type of martial arts.
1015
00:38:28,975 --> 00:38:32,187
I heard that martial arts
was not in your background.
1016
00:38:32,228 --> 00:38:35,273
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-That you had to learn it
1017
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:38,485
for the movie,
and that you did like 70,
1018
00:38:38,526 --> 00:38:40,278
80 percent of the stunts
for the movie.
1019
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,488
-I'll be honest with you.
-Okay.
1020
00:38:41,529 --> 00:38:43,031
-Can I be honest with you?
-You --
1021
00:38:43,073 --> 00:38:44,616
-It's "Hart to Heart."
You better be honest with me.
1022
00:38:44,657 --> 00:38:46,951
It is "Hart to Heart."
That's true, that's true.
1023
00:38:46,993 --> 00:38:49,579
I down-- I purposefully downplay
1024
00:38:49,621 --> 00:38:51,623
how much martial arts I knew.
-Okay.
1025
00:38:51,664 --> 00:38:54,250
Because I am afraid
of that narrative
1026
00:38:54,292 --> 00:38:56,586
of like the martial arts guy,
1027
00:38:56,628 --> 00:38:59,005
they cast the martial arts guy
to do the martial arts.
1028
00:38:59,047 --> 00:39:00,882
He's Asian, of course.
You know?
1029
00:39:00,924 --> 00:39:05,387
I -- I want to challenge
people to see me as an artist
1030
00:39:05,428 --> 00:39:07,555
at the same way
that Ryan Gosling
1031
00:39:07,597 --> 00:39:09,766
picked up jazz piano
for "La-La Land."
1032
00:39:09,808 --> 00:39:13,311
That is the way that I picked up
martial arts for this movie.
1033
00:39:13,353 --> 00:39:15,522
It is not because martial arts
is all I do.
1034
00:39:15,563 --> 00:39:17,565
That's not because martial arts
is all Asian people do,
1035
00:39:17,607 --> 00:39:19,150
and that's all they're good for.
1036
00:39:19,192 --> 00:39:20,443
And when you, you know,
when you see
1037
00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:21,695
an Asian person on screen,
they better
1038
00:39:21,736 --> 00:39:23,238
be doing martial arts,
it's not that.
1039
00:39:23,279 --> 00:39:24,614
But this was a character.
1040
00:39:24,656 --> 00:39:26,574
And so I did the training
that was necessary.
1041
00:39:26,616 --> 00:39:28,660
I stepped up
and I mean, sure, yeah.
1042
00:39:28,702 --> 00:39:31,162
Before I mean, of course,
hell yeah I did martial arts.
1043
00:39:31,204 --> 00:39:33,790
You know,
I took the stunt training.
1044
00:39:33,832 --> 00:39:37,127
I was in class, I was doing
gymnastics and parkour
1045
00:39:37,168 --> 00:39:38,753
and trying to be,
you know,
1046
00:39:38,795 --> 00:39:41,256
especially when you're when
you're struggling in Toronto,
1047
00:39:41,297 --> 00:39:44,175
Ontario, Canada, and trying
to make a living in showbiz,
1048
00:39:44,217 --> 00:39:48,388
you're like booking one
or two television spots a year.
1049
00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:49,639
-If that.
-If that.
1050
00:39:49,681 --> 00:39:51,141
You got maybe
one national commercial.
1051
00:39:51,182 --> 00:39:52,851
And by the way, the Canadian
commercials don't pay
1052
00:39:52,892 --> 00:39:54,477
the way that the American
ones do, right?
1053
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:55,687
Canadian national commercial
1054
00:39:55,729 --> 00:39:57,522
would give you like four
or five grand
1055
00:39:57,564 --> 00:39:59,566
at the end of the day.
That's not a good take home.
1056
00:39:59,607 --> 00:40:00,942
-I love what you said,
though, man.
1057
00:40:00,984 --> 00:40:02,986
I love what you said,
which is that, you know,
1058
00:40:03,028 --> 00:40:05,822
you're -- there's --
a there's a want and goal.
1059
00:40:05,864 --> 00:40:08,450
And when you talk about
breaking down stereotypes,
1060
00:40:08,491 --> 00:40:13,538
you have to actually be
a -- a -- an action item.
1061
00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:14,831
-Mm-hmm.
-I love that message,
1062
00:40:14,873 --> 00:40:16,374
and that's the beauty
of this show.
1063
00:40:16,416 --> 00:40:17,584
The beauty of this show
is that you can
1064
00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:19,377
give that,
you can speak like that
1065
00:40:19,419 --> 00:40:21,254
and people can see you
in an honest --
1066
00:40:21,296 --> 00:40:25,342
a honest setting,
being your true self.
1067
00:40:25,383 --> 00:40:26,676
-I feel my heart,
and I feel your heart.
1068
00:40:26,718 --> 00:40:28,511
-"Hart to Heart"
-I feel us doing this.
1069
00:40:28,553 --> 00:40:29,554
-That's what it is.
-That's it.
1070
00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:30,555
That's the beauty of the set.
1071
00:40:30,597 --> 00:40:32,057
-[ Laughs ]
-One more.
1072
00:40:32,098 --> 00:40:33,266
I've got to ask you about "SNL."
1073
00:40:33,308 --> 00:40:34,559
You did "SNL."
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1074
00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,227
-Talk about hosting "SNL."
-Holy shit, man.
1075
00:40:36,269 --> 00:40:38,563
That was, I mean, that was --
that was like the pinnacle.
1076
00:40:38,605 --> 00:40:40,940
It was like, for me, it's --
it's -- it's "SNL."
1077
00:40:40,982 --> 00:40:42,734
It's like the Oscars,
it's "SNL,"
1078
00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:46,571
Marvel superhero,
what else?
1079
00:40:46,613 --> 00:40:48,073
Celebrity All-Star Game.
-Celebrity All-Star Game.
1080
00:40:48,114 --> 00:40:50,241
-Celebrity All-Star Game.
-Celebrity All-Star Game, NBA.
1081
00:40:50,283 --> 00:40:52,118
Yeah, Yeah, that's got to happen
in like the next year or so.
1082
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,246
-It's a big deal.
I guarantee it happens this year.
1083
00:40:55,288 --> 00:40:57,707
But "SNL?"
-Oh, my God. Crazy, crazy.
1084
00:40:57,749 --> 00:40:59,501
To be -- to be on that stage,
first of all,
1085
00:40:59,542 --> 00:41:01,378
I got in a week
early because I was like,
1086
00:41:01,419 --> 00:41:02,879
if I do not see the stage
before I go,
1087
00:41:02,921 --> 00:41:04,839
I'm going to psych myself out.
I got to watch the show.
1088
00:41:04,881 --> 00:41:07,509
So I watched --
I watched Jonathan Majors
1089
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:09,594
and Taylor Swift,
which was incredible,
1090
00:41:09,636 --> 00:41:10,804
just absolutely insane.
1091
00:41:10,845 --> 00:41:12,263
-You just sat in the crowd
and...?
1092
00:41:12,305 --> 00:41:14,265
-Yeah, yeah.
It just was anonymous
1093
00:41:14,307 --> 00:41:15,892
and just watched it all happen.
1094
00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:17,519
-How did you feel about
the process?
1095
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,313
Going in the office,
everybody pitching to you,
1096
00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:21,856
everybody coming up with ideas?
1097
00:41:21,898 --> 00:41:24,984
-You know, it felt like --
it felt, to be honest,
1098
00:41:25,026 --> 00:41:28,321
it felt like they were like
kind of taking me by the hand
1099
00:41:28,363 --> 00:41:29,656
and being like,
because, you know,
1100
00:41:29,698 --> 00:41:30,990
for, like,
somebody who they don't know,
1101
00:41:31,032 --> 00:41:32,450
I feel like they just
they don't know
1102
00:41:32,492 --> 00:41:33,993
how much they can trust you,
right?
1103
00:41:34,035 --> 00:41:35,787
So they like, do enough
to be like,
1104
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:37,539
oh, we're including you
in the process,
1105
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:39,040
but really like you'll pitch
an idea and be like,
1106
00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:40,667
Oh, that was great.
So anyway, what I was saying,
1107
00:41:40,709 --> 00:41:42,210
like, we're going
to do this other thing.
1108
00:41:42,252 --> 00:41:43,795
Yeah.
-Cool, cool, cool, cool.
1109
00:41:43,837 --> 00:41:45,380
-Thanks, that's really cool.
But what I want to show you.
1110
00:41:45,422 --> 00:41:47,549
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1111
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:51,803
What I -- what I appreciated,
though, was -- was how --
1112
00:41:51,845 --> 00:41:55,682
how much they actually open
the door and like, you know,
1113
00:41:55,724 --> 00:41:58,768
by Friday I was working, like,
I did a 16 hour day, right,
1114
00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:00,562
doing the pre-tapes and then...
1115
00:42:00,603 --> 00:42:02,063
You know, it's like you go
from one pre-tape
1116
00:42:02,105 --> 00:42:05,442
to doing the full kind of
on stage tech rehearsal
1117
00:42:05,483 --> 00:42:06,818
and then you go
and you do another pre-tape
1118
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:08,528
and you wrap it to 2:00 A.M.
and you're just
1119
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:09,863
so shit tired
at the end of it.
1120
00:42:09,904 --> 00:42:12,198
You're not concerned anymore
about, you know,
1121
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,242
there's no room
for you to get in your head.
1122
00:42:14,284 --> 00:42:15,660
And I really appreciated that.
1123
00:42:15,702 --> 00:42:17,370
-I love -- I love the process.
-Yeah.
1124
00:42:17,412 --> 00:42:22,500
-You know, the world may or may
not know the actual process
1125
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,795
or work
that a lot of those are,
1126
00:42:25,837 --> 00:42:30,175
you know, guys and women
are doing behind the scenes
1127
00:42:30,216 --> 00:42:31,885
to make that thing go,
especially the creative,
1128
00:42:31,926 --> 00:42:34,054
the writers
and the pitching, the cast.
1129
00:42:34,095 --> 00:42:37,057
Like there's a lot of work.
They work long hours, man,
1130
00:42:37,098 --> 00:42:39,934
during the season of that show,
and the talent that comes in,
1131
00:42:39,976 --> 00:42:42,854
you know, they they try to best
to put on for that talent.
1132
00:42:42,896 --> 00:42:45,815
As a person has been on there
a lot, yeah, I take my hat off
1133
00:42:45,857 --> 00:42:47,650
to them every single time.
It's dope, though.
1134
00:42:47,692 --> 00:42:48,943
It's dope that I think
that you got
1135
00:42:48,985 --> 00:42:50,695
the opportunity
to step on that stage.
1136
00:42:50,737 --> 00:42:53,365
I love that it all lined up.
It just seemed to line up
1137
00:42:53,406 --> 00:42:54,949
perfectly for you
throughout the duration.
1138
00:42:54,991 --> 00:42:56,409
And they're still going, man.
It's a big deal.
1139
00:42:56,451 --> 00:42:57,702
-Thank you, thank you.
It's a lot of --
1140
00:42:57,744 --> 00:42:59,704
it's a lot of runway
for one movie.
1141
00:42:59,746 --> 00:43:01,623
It's not lost on me. I'm, like,
thinking all the time.
1142
00:43:01,664 --> 00:43:03,208
I'm like, oh, shit.
1143
00:43:03,249 --> 00:43:05,168
Like, are people like, do people
think that I deserve this?
1144
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:07,545
Because I don't know. I don't
even know that I deserve this.
1145
00:43:07,587 --> 00:43:09,047
You know what I mean?
It's crazy.
1146
00:43:09,089 --> 00:43:10,590
-You do.
-Before I know it, I'm on --
1147
00:43:10,632 --> 00:43:12,884
Yeah, I'm like on stage,
the music is playing,
1148
00:43:12,926 --> 00:43:14,552
they're like forcing you out
on stage,
1149
00:43:14,594 --> 00:43:16,096
and then it's like you say
your monologue,
1150
00:43:16,137 --> 00:43:18,848
you get -- you get led by
the hand backstage, it's nuts.
1151
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:22,394
-Well, don't think for a second
that you do not deserve it.
1152
00:43:22,435 --> 00:43:25,563
You are an example of what
the American dream is, man.
1153
00:43:25,605 --> 00:43:27,273
You know, look at where
you come from.
1154
00:43:27,315 --> 00:43:30,068
You're talking about going from
China to then going to Canada,
1155
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:34,656
and then at Canada, somehow
finding your way into college
1156
00:43:34,698 --> 00:43:36,825
and pursuing
what isn't your dream
1157
00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:39,369
but what you think
your parents want you to do
1158
00:43:39,411 --> 00:43:41,162
and not being successful in it.
1159
00:43:41,204 --> 00:43:42,622
You get a job, you get fired.
1160
00:43:42,664 --> 00:43:44,833
After getting fired,
you take some shots in the dark.
1161
00:43:44,874 --> 00:43:46,418
There's some things
you're doing to make money,
1162
00:43:46,459 --> 00:43:48,420
but the shots in the dark show
you a glimpse of light.
1163
00:43:48,461 --> 00:43:51,464
And that light becomes
the biggest, brightest light
1164
00:43:51,506 --> 00:43:53,049
that turns into a star.
1165
00:43:53,091 --> 00:43:54,592
And I'm telling you now, man,
there's people
1166
00:43:54,634 --> 00:43:56,636
all over the globe,
1167
00:43:56,678 --> 00:44:00,223
all over the globe
that look to people like you,
1168
00:44:00,265 --> 00:44:01,725
that look at people like me
1169
00:44:01,766 --> 00:44:04,811
that are not supposed to be
in the positions
1170
00:44:04,853 --> 00:44:08,690
that they are because of the way
that it's written.
1171
00:44:08,732 --> 00:44:11,693
There's a -- there's
a certain trajectory
1172
00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:13,695
that that's supposed
to be followed
1173
00:44:13,737 --> 00:44:15,113
to get to said
levels of success.
1174
00:44:15,155 --> 00:44:18,074
And when you're a groundbreaker
and you do it in
1175
00:44:18,116 --> 00:44:22,078
an untraditional manner, man,
you're the example of what can.
1176
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,041
So don't think that
you're not a driving force
1177
00:44:26,082 --> 00:44:30,128
for that young generation
of young Asian kids
1178
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:33,631
that are looking and going,
oh, my God, I want or I need,
1179
00:44:33,673 --> 00:44:35,967
and I can act or I can sing.
1180
00:44:36,009 --> 00:44:38,762
And it's not just martial arts,
because you are.
1181
00:44:38,803 --> 00:44:41,306
So the things that you said here
I think are powerful,
1182
00:44:41,348 --> 00:44:42,807
I think are needed.
1183
00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:44,976
I want to thank you again, man,
for coming on.
1184
00:44:45,018 --> 00:44:47,812
What an amazing episode,
informative.
1185
00:44:47,854 --> 00:44:49,189
I think people are going to walk
away with a different
1186
00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:52,650
understanding of who you are,
what you want
1187
00:44:52,692 --> 00:44:53,985
and why you deserve it.
1188
00:44:54,027 --> 00:44:55,236
Thank you so much once again,
man.
1189
00:44:55,278 --> 00:44:56,404
-Oh, man.
1190
00:44:56,446 --> 00:44:57,697
What a pleasure.
-Thank you.
1191
00:44:57,739 --> 00:45:00,033
-* Go *
1192
00:45:01,701 --> 00:45:03,703
-Kevin Hart here
with another anecdote.
1193
00:45:03,745 --> 00:45:05,372
Health is wealth, people.
1194
00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:09,668
What I'm saying is put
the fucking bacon down.
1195
00:45:09,709 --> 00:45:13,380
Yeah, it's good.
I felt that was good.
1196
00:45:13,421 --> 00:45:15,465
It's money in the bank.
1197
00:45:15,507 --> 00:45:18,134
No, I like that.
Yeah.
1198
00:45:18,184 --> 00:45:22,734
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