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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,040 MAN: I find it funny that, perhaps in 100 years time, 2 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,840 if people look at paintings done by the artists of this century - 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,920 of our century - 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,360 that the most ubiquitous things 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,080 like motorcars and television sets and telephones 6 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:26,720 don't appear in any of the pictures. 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,840 We should paint the things around us. 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Motor cars are very beautiful. 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,600 I'm a great admirer of Giorgio Morandi, 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,640 and we all love Morandi. 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,880 And he had all his props, his different bottles and his things. 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,400 See, my props are petrol stations and trucks, 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,560 and it's just the same thing. 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,920 It's a different range of things. 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,560 MAN 2: He created a new aesthetic out of 20th century technology. 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Subjects that others found banal and brutal and uninteresting, 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,520 to him, were really just part of a new kind of beauty. 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,480 It made so many people revisit their own response 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,040 to 20th-century technology. 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,320 WOMAN: He sets up a stage set. 21 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:32,800 I think his work is incredibly theatrical. 22 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,960 And what he's doing is he's inviting the viewer 23 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:37,480 to bring their own stories. 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,720 and the viewer becomes a participant in the work. 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,200 I really don't want to talk about the paintings at all. 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,000 There's no point in talking about painting, is there? 27 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,920 I mean, the paintings should say everything that's there. 28 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,280 WOMAN: What's really significant about a centenary 29 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,200 and the kind of idea of a centenary 30 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,240 is it actually does afford you a perspective 31 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,880 that you can look back and reflect, with a completely fresh perspective, 32 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,240 on an artist whose work we know really well. 33 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,280 But it's the distance that time allows - 34 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,280 you can actually situate that work 35 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,920 and see it in context, in new and different ways. 36 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,040 None of his works are entirely abstract, 37 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,200 nor are they entirely solely about the narrative. 38 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,560 There's always a kind of clash between those two ideas. 39 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,720 In many ways, the show sort of tries to show 40 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,520 the full spectrum kind of these approaches. 41 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,760 I think what is very clever about 42 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,280 him not wanting to talk too much or explain too much 43 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,720 about the paintings 44 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,880 is that it does leave them open-ended. 45 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,720 So if you want to come to Jeffrey's paintings 46 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,040 and you just want to look at them for what they are, 47 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,800 for what you see, that's fine. 48 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,360 But they also can be triggers for imaginative responses. 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,120 So they are like these stage sets. 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,320 And in Holiday, he's setting up this apartment block, 51 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,280 which we can all relate to, 52 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,920 and especially after COVID, 53 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:28,400 where people were shut up in apartment blocks or houses, 54 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,520 and that balcony became a really important focus 55 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,200 for looking out at the world. 56 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,840 But we can bring our own stories to them. 57 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,000 ARCHIVE VOICEOVER: Wide and handsome thoroughfares 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,680 are a feature of Light's model plan of Adelaide. 59 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,320 A busy shopping centre of the city is Rundle Street. 60 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,680 Almost without exception, 61 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,360 every suburban home has its gardens and flowers. 62 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 And here is a typical scene in the suburbs of Adelaide. 63 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,200 MAN: Jeffrey Smart was born in Adelaide in 1921, 64 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,080 in a middle-class family. 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,680 He had a very happy life, a normal childhood. 66 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,840 He was probably a fairly precocious child. 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,840 During the Depression, 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,240 his family had to rent out their house in Hawthorne, 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,440 which is a reasonably nice suburb in Adelaide, 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,960 and go to a small flat in South Terrace, 71 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,840 on the edge of the city centre. 72 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:24,440 And really for Jeffrey, this was a great thing. 73 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,040 You know, he would ride his bicycle 74 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,120 around the streets of inner-city Adelaide. 75 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,040 He would go to the movies. 76 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,640 The urban environment already provided so much inspiration. 77 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,280 And it was quite ironic 78 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:41,800 because his parents couldn't wait to get back to the suburbs. 79 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,760 But Jeffrey was secretly hoping 80 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,520 that they could stay in the inner city. 81 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,240 And you get a feeling of, like, 82 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,880 where he's going to go to from there in his work. 83 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Our flat was on the first floor, 84 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,640 and it had French doors looking out over the Park Lands. 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,680 And then the back part of the flat, which was the kitchen, 86 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,160 that overlooked the slums. 87 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,560 And that's the bit that always fascinated me, 88 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,560 much more than the gum trees and the park and the distant hills. 89 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,840 Yes, I think I've got a natural flair for squalor. 90 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:22,360 I always like the look of the... of that confusion of chimneys 91 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,280 and temporary erections and things going across 92 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,440 and pipes and telegraph poles 93 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,640 and all that nest of things going on, that fascinated me. 94 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,880 And I did drawings of them, of course. 95 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,600 I don't think there was any clear decision, ever, 96 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,120 to be a painter. 97 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,920 I think I always wanted to paint and draw, 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,360 but I...it was a sort of a dream. 99 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,560 I was just always drawing and painting at home, 100 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,320 and I was always filling up any books, exercise books, anything, 101 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,960 with drawings. 102 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,200 It was an art teacher who said to me once, 103 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,160 "I think you'll probably be able to exhibit a picture one day. 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,200 "When you grow up, you know, 105 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,520 "in the Society of Arts in Adelaide." 106 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,560 And I've never forgotten that, 107 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,640 'cause I thought, "God, how unbelievable." 108 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,960 And I thought, "Oh, she's joking." 109 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,600 It couldn't be true. 110 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,280 Fancy her thinking that. (LAUGHS) 111 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,280 HART: Jeffrey seemed to have this proclivity for 112 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,960 a kind of edginess in the landscapes that he went for. 113 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,680 You know, he was hugely inspired by T.S. Eliot's poem The Wasteland. 114 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,120 And what T.S. Eliot spoke about 115 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,200 were these broken images that came out of the First World War 116 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,360 and seemed very current to artists like Jeffrey 117 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,080 and coming through the Depression, that he'd grown up in. 118 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,200 But he was kind of drawn to these ideas of landscapes 119 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,720 where everything doesn't kind of feel quite right. 120 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,080 There's this sense of broken images 121 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,960 or abandoned buildings 122 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,440 and deserted landscapes. 123 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,360 EDWARDS: He's also travelling out to the Flinders Ranges, 124 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,560 struck then by the drought-affected landscape, 125 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,680 the abandoned towns out there 126 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,280 that show the kind of a less-triumphant image, I suppose, 127 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,040 of the Australian landscape, 128 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,760 that we would associate with an artist like Hans Heysen. 129 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,640 Jeffrey did a number of paintings called The Wasteland,. 130 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,560 And you see the way that he's picking up on his own environment, 131 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,280 so, the environment of South Australia, 132 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,120 and he's bringing that atmosphere that Eliot had in his poetry - 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,400 obviously referring to Europe - 134 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,840 into the South Australian landscape. 135 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,160 So already you're getting those connections 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,640 and Eliot's poetry really talks about everyday, ordinary things. 137 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,240 And, you know, Jeffrey is very well known 138 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,720 for saying that he didn't want to paint the picturesque billabongs, 139 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,360 he wanted to paint real, everyday life. 140 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,360 And I think he really gets that from Eliot, in the early days. 141 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,480 And so you see, in this work, 142 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,560 there's, like, a bed that is falling apart. 143 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,680 You get the detritus of life. 144 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,960 You get the bank that has actually been abandoned. 145 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,360 And so there's this irony in the work, 146 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,280 and also this feeling of a haunted space. 147 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,840 PEARCE: This was the perfect image of the wasteland, 148 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,960 which was the transience of human presence in the landscape, 149 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,400 which evokes questions of eternity. 150 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,800 What is it that lasts? Well, nothing lasts. 151 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,160 There's a bleakness in Jeffrey Smart's work. 152 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,240 You can find it right through, actually, 153 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,720 it's not just in those South Australian landscapes. 154 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,760 There is a sense of emptiness. 155 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,800 It's almost a hint of alien-ness in his landscapes. 156 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,920 But what he's saying is that it is bleak, but it's beautiful. 157 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,920 Even when we go to images like a holiday resort, 158 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,520 it's often got this uncanny, unsettling feeling 159 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,720 that everything's not quite right. 160 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,880 You're not sure what's going on, 161 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,120 but it's not exactly the holiday you would choose. 162 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,320 SMART: It was an early painting, 163 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,920 and it was done where we always went every year, down to Port Elliot. 164 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,560 I got to know Port Elliot very well. 165 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:41,600 And I painted the picture and it didn't work, really. 166 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,120 It wasn't working. 167 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,480 And then I thought, well, just stare at it and look. 168 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,400 And I thought, "Oh, I know. It needs the moon in it." 169 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,920 So then I tried to match the sky 170 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,880 and then paint the moon onto the paint, 171 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,920 and that came out slightly differently. 172 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,880 So it looks as though the moon's on a cloud. 173 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,560 Well, that looks rather good. 174 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,880 It still looked wrong. 175 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Needed something in the foreground. 176 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,000 And I was in town one day with my sketchbook 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,880 and I thought, "I know what I'll do, 178 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,120 "I'll draw a perambulator." 179 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,840 So I went into the perambulator section of the store, 180 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,960 which was Myer's Emporium, 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,040 and with my sketchbook, I drew a perambulator. 182 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,960 And then I got back to the studio 183 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,040 and I then just put it in on the bottom left, 184 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,560 and there it was - it worked. 185 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,400 So then it came together. 186 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,040 A painting's really quite a synthesis of things, isn't it? 187 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,560 Always. 188 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,800 And, you know, when we think back to those early Adelaide works, 189 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,080 what's so interesting is the way that 190 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,320 he gets onto an urban environment. 191 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,920 You know, he's really interested in the nitty-gritty of daily life. 192 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,480 He's finding himself. 193 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,160 It was a really important training ground 194 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,840 to be in that environment. 195 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,880 I knew not to get a job at the art school in Adelaide, 196 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,880 because I thought then you'll be, you'll be trapped. 197 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,760 I knew the only way I could escape from Adelaide 198 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,080 was through painting. 199 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,120 There was this big competition for the Jubilee, 200 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,040 the Australian Jubilee in 1951, 201 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,520 and there was a... it was a huge prize - was 500 quid - 202 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,480 and I really worked on it. 203 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,480 In this case, Jeffrey went out into the landscape. 204 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Now, Wallaroo is a copper mining town 205 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,400 on the Spencer Gulf coast of South Australia 206 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,840 and he really wanted to get the feel of the place. 207 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,160 So he went and he drew things like the fence posts 208 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,640 and the deserted feeling of the town, 209 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,880 with abandoned buildings. 210 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,640 And he made these little sketches and he made some watercolours. 211 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,080 And while he was there, 212 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,720 there were actually two young men who came out of the ocean. 213 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,280 They'd been fishing in a little fishing boat. 214 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,760 And they were carrying this fishing boat out of the water. 215 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,640 And it becomes a really key motif in the finished painting. 216 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,840 Once I got to Sydney, I managed to get myself a job 217 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,360 teaching painting... 218 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,040 ..in the Education Department. 219 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,840 And while I was doing that teaching, 220 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,200 the results of the Jubilee Art Prize came, 221 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,000 and I'd won it. 222 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Quite unbelievable. 223 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,840 So this was a great moment for him, 224 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,080 because at that point in his life, 225 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,560 he was really struggling financially. 226 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,680 He was having a very hard time making ends meet. 227 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,320 He was struggling with his sense of direction. 228 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,280 And here was this prize, you know, 229 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,120 judged by important people in the art world. 230 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,520 So it was a real moment of recognition. 231 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,880 So Wallaroo was like his farewell painting to Adelaide, 232 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,080 but it was also a sense where 233 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,360 he had achieved something in his artistic career. 234 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Hello, girls and boys. And welcome to the art gallery. 235 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,200 We're having a walk through the art gallery today. 236 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,040 EDWARDS: It was a difficult time for his painting, in many ways, 237 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,640 because he was so busy working in other roles. 238 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,080 He was working as an art critic, 239 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,480 but he also worked as Phidias on the Argonauts, 240 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,920 which was a radio and then television program for children 241 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,120 really talking about art and instructing about art. 242 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,320 He developed a cult following. 243 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 I suspect he was hugely charismatic to children. 244 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Now, you see, that is an ordinary, everyday thing, isn't it? 245 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,320 There's the electric jug and the toast rack 246 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,920 and some shadows, rather nice shadows, made by them. 247 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,520 And what a good idea. 248 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,400 And I think it proves that just everyday things 249 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,880 make good subjects... 250 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,000 Jeffrey came into my life in the Argonauts, 251 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,040 and he was Phidias, the art master of this club. 252 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,640 And we'd all joined the club, 253 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 and so we'd send in paintings and drawings, 254 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,840 and he was like the greatest teacher. 255 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,320 It was so exciting. 256 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,960 On a tiny little black-and-white screen, 257 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,200 we suddenly saw that people were interested 258 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,040 in things that we did like that. 259 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,920 If you did a painting or a drawing, 260 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,680 there was someone as amazing as him in Sydney 261 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:21,320 who was actually interested enough to talk about it. 262 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Well, now, the next picture I'm going to show you 263 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,040 is some watercolours, it's a watercolour of some boats. 264 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,320 And I think this is a beauty, this one. 265 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,960 It's watercolour of just boats and simply painted it. 266 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,000 I'm sure it's been done on the spot. 267 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,920 And then he had a competition. 268 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,160 He announced this competition about going to Japan. 269 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,600 And I won the South Australian section of it. 270 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,120 And so, age 14, I went to Japan 271 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,840 with people I'd never met before in my life 272 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,880 and it was unbelievable, unbeliev... 273 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,920 I've never gotten over it. He changed me. 274 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,600 He changed my life. 275 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,440 Even though I didn't end up a painter, 276 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,520 he...he opened the world to me. 277 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,520 He opened possibilities. 278 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,360 You know, nothing was a problem. 279 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,160 It didn't matter that you were 280 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,040 a little convent girl virgin in Adelaide, in the suburbs, 281 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,080 you know what I mean? 282 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,280 You could do things. 283 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,920 You could go places, see things that you've never forgotten. 284 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,360 Now, just below that is a very, very good abstraction. 285 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,520 That is a black background. 286 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,480 And everywhere where the circles overlap, 287 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,000 there's another colour. 288 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,400 So you can imagine it makes a very beautiful pattern. 289 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,240 You know, you can make abstractions with anything. 290 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,040 You can do it with, well, circles and squares 291 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,760 and all sorts of things. 292 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,920 I think this idea of abstraction and reality coming together 293 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,000 is really fascinating with Jeffrey. 294 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Abstract Expressionism was coming into being by the '60s, 295 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,600 and becoming more prominent in Australia. 296 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,920 And he felt he didn't fit in because he was a realist painter. 297 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,920 His friends were saying, "Can you just loosen up? 298 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,640 "Can you loosen up and let that brushwork go?" 299 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,720 And he was like, "No, I have to stay true to myself." 300 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,920 But it was a real internal turmoil. 301 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,520 But what's also like the flipside of that 302 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,720 is that Jeffrey says, actually, later in life, 303 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,880 he said it's all about abstraction. 304 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,640 PEARCE: By the time he became a teacher, 305 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,640 he told his students very clearly 306 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,640 what he was going to do with his life. 307 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,440 "I'm going to Sydney for 10 years 308 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,520 "and then I'm going to live in Italy." 309 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,800 Italy was his Valhalla. 310 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,880 It was the place that he really wanted to finish up. 311 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,960 Jeffrey left Australia in 1963, 312 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,800 arrived in '64, settled in Rome. 313 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,960 And he loved Rome. He thought it was the most brilliant city. 314 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,640 Rome seemed to be the centre of all things in the mid-'60s 315 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,520 It was where the great films were being made by Fellini, 316 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,040 and it was... it had a pizzazz about it. 317 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,280 I like Italy because it's such a modern country. 318 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,840 You know, it's modern. 319 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,640 It is this-century. 320 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,800 I enjoy living in a really modern place. 321 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,200 Jeffrey found himself in Italy 322 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,840 in a world that was at once old and new. 323 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,720 And the new world of Italy was startlingly beautiful to him. 324 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,240 There was a lot of rebuilding going on - 325 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,920 the building of the roads, the buildings. 326 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,920 The technology that was all around, evident, 327 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,920 as the country was recovering itself after the Second World War 328 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,200 became the perfect subject for him. 329 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,800 There just seem to be a policy 330 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,400 of making the kind of design of this new industrial world - 331 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,680 not only in Rome, but the whole of Italy 332 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,520 exactly Jeffrey's cup of tea for his painting. 333 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,960 It was geometric. It was clean, crisp colours. 334 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,160 Um... 335 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,400 And it was a very striking world that he came to. 336 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,280 MAN: I think he wanted to avoid something. 337 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,120 He wanted to avoid that nationalism. 338 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,920 He wanted to avoid this persistent idea in Australia 339 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,000 that the arts are somehow a tool or a weapon 340 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,520 in a process of national discovery 341 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,400 and in defining the Australian identity. 342 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,720 He didn't want to be mixed up in that argument. 343 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,520 He would have been under constant pressure, had he been here. 344 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,200 He would have been asked, 345 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,160 "Why aren't you painting more of Australia?" 346 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,720 And he avoided that by not being here. 347 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,760 I think, like other people, 348 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,760 when he went to Italy at that time, it was very cheap. 349 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,800 Strangers found it easy to settle in there, 350 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,480 because Italy had already had a tradition of 200 years 351 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,720 of taking, you know, strangers in 352 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,960 and letting them do whatever they wanted to do. 353 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,040 For a visual point of view, 354 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:11,240 it offers all that amazing culture of the visual 355 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,080 that belongs to Italian painting and sculpture. 356 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,040 But also, the landscape itself 357 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,880 is almost too beautiful for a painter. 358 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:26,000 So it might drive you to look for beauty somewhere else, 359 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,160 as Jeff does, in a kind of industrial world 360 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,040 a world that looks as if it's a blot 361 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,680 on that perfect beauty of the Italian landscape. 362 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:45,640 I always liked the slightly dis-arranged look in Italy. 363 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,160 I always liked the Italian 'mess'. 364 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,840 I remember noticing in France 365 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,560 how the petunias and the geraniums 366 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,640 were in beautiful vases. 367 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,680 Then I got to the border at Ventimiglia 368 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,400 and you get into Italy 369 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,200 and you'd find the geraniums in old kerosene tins 370 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,680 and all sorts of things improvised. 371 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,920 And I liked that more than the shiny French order. 372 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,200 I liked that Italian exuberance and making-do. 373 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,800 EDWARDS: You can see from his move to Italy 374 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,000 there is a shift in his subject matter. 375 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 He's no longer producing Australian scenes. 376 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,720 There are Italian streets and Autostrade, 377 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,920 and, you know, apartment buildings. 378 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 But there's a universality to the works. 379 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,200 I think they still resonate so much with an Australian audience 380 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,320 because, of course, they're still imbued with that 381 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,120 Jeffrey-Smart quality 382 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,800 that is sort of that mix of the mundane and the surreal, 383 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,000 but the very tight composition. 384 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,560 And I think that time in Italy 385 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,920 led him to distil all of those elements together 386 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,000 and also gave him the time and space 387 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,440 to fully develop that vision. 388 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:19,480 Why did Henry James leave America and go and work in England? 389 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,120 Why did Picasso leave Spain and go to work in France? 390 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:30,360 Why did Shakespeare go down from Stratford and move to London? 391 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:31,560 Oh. 392 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,400 Hemingway moved to Europe for a long time. 393 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,720 I think a lot of artists moved a great deal. 394 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,040 I think I left because I wanted to see the old masters, in situ. 395 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,680 I couldn't go on feeding on reproductions. 396 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,960 I wanted to see the pictures. 397 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,520 When he went to Italy, he wanted to continue his way 398 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,160 in projecting an image of 20th-century life, 399 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,520 the 20th century architecture and technology. 400 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,000 But at the same time, he studied the old masters very carefully, 401 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,400 through their drawings and their paintings 402 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,520 and how they achieved what they did achieve. 403 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,760 So it was just a time-honoured way of making pictures. 404 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,520 Except it wasn't altarpieces with Madonnas and child 405 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,720 and children and portraits of the Medicis. 406 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,560 It was images of the 20th century, 407 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560 but done in the old, masterly fashion. 408 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,440 The actual process in most of his works 409 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,400 took many, many, many months to complete, 410 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,160 starting with preliminary drawings, 411 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,640 through to, then, painted studies, compositional studies, 412 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,640 then getting bigger, marking in key sort of figures and motifs 413 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,360 before moving on to the final work, 414 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,200 in which he would actually grid up these earlier studies 415 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,040 and transpose and translate all of the detail 416 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,480 from the smaller work onto the bigger one, painstakingly, 417 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,840 before, of course, then rendering it 418 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,640 in this sort of minute, slick, 419 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,000 almost photographic, at times, detail that we see in his work. 420 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,440 JAMES: He was painting the future. 421 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,440 He was painting the country we live in now. 422 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,120 Somebody once said that eventually 423 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,760 everyone will live in the smart country, in smart-land. 424 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,680 Well, that was a good guess. 425 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,760 And the world now looks like what Jeffrey was painting 426 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,760 back in the late '60S, in Italy. 427 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,400 In Italy, he was first in Rome. 428 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,320 And then later on, he moved to his beautiful house near Arezzo, 429 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,480 where he lives now, 430 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,400 the Posticcia Nuova. 431 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,840 What prompted me to leave Rome? 432 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,320 Well, it was getting difficult to park the car anywhere. 433 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,160 I found that the infrastructure of Rome was collapsing. 434 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,560 It was changing from being a small town into a big city. 435 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,640 It was becoming impersonal, and a lot of my friends were leaving. 436 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,200 They were all getting houses in Tuscany. 437 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,440 And I thought that they're all doing this - 438 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,800 what...I should be getting out too. 439 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,600 Because you could feel that Rome was degenerating 440 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,240 into a big, bustling city, 441 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,120 which is what I didn't want, that. 442 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,680 So I was then encouraged to look around and look at farmhouses. 443 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,400 PEARCE: At Posticcia Nuova, the house he bought in Tuscany, 444 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,520 he finally gained something else that he always dreamed of - 445 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,360 an ideal companion, and a sort of a harmony with another human being 446 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,200 that enhanced his ability to practice his art in peace 447 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,280 and not have to worry about the domestic problems of his life. 448 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,800 And he finally got that when he got the companionship of Ermes De Zan. 449 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,880 Get the doggies. 450 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,120 I was coming to help Jeffrey do this mural. 451 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:51,040 That fell through because of all that oil crisis, remember? 452 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,720 So Jeffrey said, look, it's fallen through, 453 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,640 but you've got three months' summer holidays. 454 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,000 Why don't you fly over? Which I did. 455 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,160 Right. 456 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Now, where are the magic spices? 457 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,600 They're all down there, underneath. 458 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,960 Don't put that, because it just... They always end up tasting that... 459 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,360 No. Who's cooking this? ..dreadful curry. 460 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,880 Who is cooking this? Who? 461 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,240 Now... Well, I wish an Indian was. 462 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,120 I think you have to share the same interests. 463 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,560 Smell that. 464 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,000 Oh, it smells good. Smells fresh, doesn't it? 465 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,040 You know, you don't base it on just lust. 466 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,640 I mean, it's wonderful if the both come together, 467 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,480 but, boy, it's very rare. (LAUGHS) 468 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,880 Oh, is this the famous tea? 469 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Authentic Indian. 470 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,760 I was taught by an Indian chef. 471 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,120 Did you read, when Gore Vidal was interviewed, 472 00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,360 and... 473 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,560 I mean, we met Gore Vidal, 474 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,400 and they said, "Oh, how was it that 475 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,240 "your relationship with Chester Coleman was lasted so long?" 476 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,680 He said, "Because we never went to bed together." 477 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,120 (LAUGHS) 478 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,760 No. "We never had sex together," or something. 479 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,360 Oh, yes, I had a stroke of luck there. 480 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,320 That was a bit of luck, meeting Ermes. That was great. 481 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,200 Replanted. Ruthlessly. 482 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,600 I think it's wonderful that they've colonized. 483 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,600 Do you? 484 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Yes, but this has all been let go out of control. 485 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,360 I like it like that. 486 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,200 Why do you have to have neat little Adelaide suburban footpaths? 487 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,320 You see the way they attack? 488 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,440 Just because I happen to have been born in Adelaide. Isn't that unkind? 489 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,800 As I gradually put on a bit of weight, 490 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,160 Jeffrey'd say, "You bloody well look after yourself! 491 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120 "I've got a reputation to uphold." 492 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,960 I'm sorry. But you know, you always lose. 493 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,160 And at this stage... (LAUGHS) 494 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,320 At this stage, it's just... There we go. 495 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,680 There we go. Fair enough. Same old thing. 496 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Wonderful thing about Jeffrey and all this banter, 497 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,240 you never had a dull moment. 498 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,280 So... (LAUGHS) 499 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,240 Now, don't get nervous just because you're losing. 500 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,680 (BOTH LAUGH) 501 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,520 The problem at the moment is this - 502 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,920 I've got a vertical there and the study coincides there. 503 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,600 It doesn't seem to matter very much at the moment, 504 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,560 but it looks to me, in the painting, 505 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,800 as if I have this big vertical here. 506 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,680 I think it would be much happier 507 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,200 if I try to design it so that the... 508 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,320 ..this and this don't coincide. 509 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,920 So I have to decide now. I think I'll move it over that way. 510 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Just off... 511 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,000 MAN: The portrait of Margaret Olley was painted in its entirety 512 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,880 in front of a film crew. 513 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,800 It's really the only time 514 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,440 Jeffrey Smart let a camera in the studio for an extended period. 515 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,680 So we see the portrait of Margaret Olley being made 516 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,280 from start to finish. 517 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,680 He obviously had seen the composition 518 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,880 in the Louvre, in Paris. 519 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,360 And he thought, "Oh, I need a figure." 520 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,680 He always liked a figure, for scale. 521 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,760 Margaret Olley, of course, was very happy. 522 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,520 She said, "I'm so happy Jeffrey put me in the Louvre 523 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,960 "rather in the middle of an Autostrada." 524 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,920 She's a professional painter. She's a real pro. 525 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,200 The whole thing is integrated - 526 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,400 her work and where she lives. 527 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,080 It's a creation, Margaret's life. 528 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,920 Everybody has difficulty with drawing figures. 529 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400 This is what I was saying with Rafael. 530 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,720 So encouraging to see Rafael drawing and redrawing 531 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,680 and making sure that he's getting it right. 532 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160 You're going to...I'm going to draw a figure now in this. 533 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,520 So, you'd like to see that. 534 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,920 This is not just to be realistic. 535 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,040 This is to get the right shapes in the right proportions, 536 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,960 in the right place in the picture. 537 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,440 I think getting a likeness in portrait painting 538 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,360 is often a gift that some people have. 539 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,520 I think it's a sort of a... just a gift. 540 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,160 They can sit down and sketch and get a likeness. 541 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,440 I don't have much gift of that at all. 542 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120 I once read one of Mr Churchill's things, 543 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,000 and I thought it was very good because he was not a bad painter. 544 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,720 Did you know that? He was an amateur painter? 545 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,600 He said, the great thing about painting 546 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,440 is that the canvas can't hit back. (LAUGHS) 547 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,360 You can wipe out mistakes and you can put it in again 548 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,280 and you can crash it out. 549 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,720 The thing is, of course, is to try and cover your tracks 550 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,640 so that so that nobody can see where you've made all these changes. 551 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,800 I've made a mistake with this. 552 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,720 I'd have to rub it all out, because this tracing... 553 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Watch out. Is no good. 554 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,880 It was slightly off. 555 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,640 So now I've had to do another one. 556 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760 And also another thing, I realised that this, the red, 557 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,880 tracing through on the red it wasn't clearly visible enough. 558 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,120 So now I've done another tracing in green, 559 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,120 and I think this will be better. 560 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,440 I'll been much more careful with this. 561 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920 PEARCE: There is one momentous happening 562 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,080 after the arrival in Italy in 1964, 563 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,200 where we see the real unfolding of the reason for him being here. 564 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400 And I think that can be symbolised 565 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,440 when he went to Borgo Sansepolcro, 566 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,520 which was the birthplace of Piero della Francesca, 567 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,840 his great god of art. 568 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,880 And in the museum at Borgo Sansepolcro 569 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800 is a most marvellous painting. 570 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,960 It's a fresco of the Risen Christ. 571 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,200 Well, it was very moving for me, to actually see it in scale 572 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,560 instead of seeing it by reproduction. 573 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,720 It was very important. 574 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,560 And then here I would be with the key. 575 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,440 And... I wonder if the keyhole's still there. 576 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,440 Yes, that's it. 577 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,880 That's the key hole I would have used. 578 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,800 And... 579 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,800 So then I was able to just walk straight in. 580 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,920 And when I got in, I found, by luck, this ladder. 581 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,600 And I was able to put it up by the fresco, 582 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,880 and climb up and see the face of Jesus close up, 583 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,640 which was pretty revelatory, to be able to see how he worked. 584 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,640 How lucky you were. Wasn't I lucky? 585 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120 Also indefatigable. 586 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,560 And the figure of Christ stands up as a great vertical form 587 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,440 above sleeping soldiers, 588 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,040 which occupy the bottom part of the picture. 589 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,760 And if you draw a line from the Christ's head 590 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,360 down through the bottom of the picture, 591 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,040 the vertical joins up and goes right to the very centre of the earth. 592 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,400 It's the still point and the centre of all things. 593 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,640 And I think that was a very symbolic discovery for Jeffrey Smart. 594 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,360 It cemented in place the course of his own painting, 595 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,160 which was to reach this ultimate stability, 596 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,640 this point of when time had stopped 597 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,320 and we could contemplate the world 598 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920 without any of the ravages that time wreaks upon us. 599 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440 It's a very idealised state of being. 600 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800 I'm going to try and see what I can see. 601 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,120 Oh. You can see. 602 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,640 If you go up close to the glass, you can see it. 603 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,760 You can see. 604 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,040 And it's his humility and his care. 605 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,200 I mean, everything, I know, was carefully drawn beforehand, 606 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880 which is encouraging to an artist, 607 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800 to see a great man like Piero 608 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,480 going to a great deal of bother to do the spadework to start with. 609 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360 It's an act of humility on his part, 610 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,720 which encourages one's own humility, which one needs, doesn't one? 611 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,920 The old Masters, when they did this in big scale, 612 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,040 like Piero and Michelangelo, 613 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920 they were called sinopia. 614 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680 And they would use what you see as a tailor's wheel. 615 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,280 You know, those wheels that tailors use to pick out and push? 616 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,320 They'd use that to make, 617 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,160 uh, dotted holes in the thing. 618 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,040 And then they would thump pigment through. 619 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,120 Often, Piero would do the face and the hands, 620 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880 the drawings and... 621 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,280 ..feet and bits of difficult details. 622 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120 But perhaps the slave work 623 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,680 of background and other minor figures was left to assistants. 624 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,720 We don't know much about him, 625 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,560 but we know that when he travelled from Rome, 626 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640 because he came from Borgo Sansepolcro, 627 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,760 we know that he travelled in great style, with a retinue. 628 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,360 Rather like a film star travelling with a crew. 629 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,720 The paintings are full of verbal play, puns, 630 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:58,280 references that a lot of people don't always focus on. 631 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,040 One of those is an absolutely abstract painting, really - 632 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,600 geometrically abstract - 633 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,640 called Closed Shops. 634 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,200 And it consists of a whole series of garage doors 635 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,840 and each one of them has over it a name. 636 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,600 And what people don't realise 637 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,600 is that those names refer to Italian painters, 638 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,840 famous Italian painters, contemporaries of Jeffrey, 639 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,440 whose painting he does not like. 640 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,240 And one of those is 641 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:31,160 a very, very well known Communist Party member 642 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,760 who's a painter called Guttoso. 643 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,400 And Jeffrey has 'macelleria', which means butcher shop. 644 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,960 Jeffrey Smart always liked to work from a model. 645 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,760 When he painted a figure, 646 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,600 he did it the classical way 647 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,400 and worked from a life study. 648 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,120 Mr Zan often was the only person on the farm, 649 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,760 and was often asked to stand in. 650 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,880 So in this work you see a very good looking Ermes De Zan 651 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120 in a very drab pair of overalls. 652 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,920 DE ZAN: I liked that, really, a lot. 653 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,840 He did me in profile in that. 654 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,520 He said, "Oh..." - 655 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,240 because I had a lot of chickens and birds and then peacocks - 656 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,880 and he said, "Oh, I've got you looking like a bird there." 657 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,080 So... (LAUGHS) 658 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,120 The year after this work was done, 659 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,600 Jeffrey Smart was working on a portrait of his good friend, 660 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640 the Australian author David Malouf, 661 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,000 who lived about half an hour away in Tuscany. 662 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,920 He was struggling with the composition, 663 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,000 he wasn't happy with the way the painting was working. 664 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,080 But then he remembered he had this composition he was happy with, 665 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,840 and he transposed that portrait of Ermes 666 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,560 into what became the portrait of David Malouf. 667 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,240 He said, I think - almost as a joke - 668 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,520 that what it was all about was 669 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,480 he saw me as a writer 670 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,920 who drew chthonic powers out of the earth. 671 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,760 And so what that pipe was doing, 672 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,680 going through its little square hole, 673 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000 was drawing up these psychic powers. 674 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920 So there's a reference in that painting to Ovid, 675 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,080 in the sign that says "OVIDIO", 676 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,760 which is obviously relating to the great poet, Ovid. 677 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,280 And so, you know, he brings these playful things in, 678 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,080 so it's playful and serious at the same time. 679 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,080 And I found a beautiful poem by David Malouf 680 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,840 where he talks about things splitting 681 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,080 and going into infinity, 682 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,200 and he refers to the trucks in the background 683 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,120 that are these different colours. 684 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,080 And this ties in with the other dimension 685 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,480 that we're talking about in the exhibition, 686 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,960 which is the geometry 687 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,240 and the way that the figuration and the geometric come together. 688 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,120 I felt I discovered, from inside a painting 689 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,280 what the role of figures is 690 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000 in Jeffrey Smart's painting world. 691 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,240 They set the scale or they provide a kind of focus. 692 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,880 But they don't really come as people want them to, with a story. 693 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,440 Their role inside the painting is purely formal. 694 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,720 Jeffrey always said when people asked him, "What is the work about?" 695 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,720 And he'd say, "It's not about anything." 696 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,680 He said, "I'm not a narrative painter. 697 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,760 "I'm not trying to tell a story." 698 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,640 But when we look at the work, the imagery that he chooses 699 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,520 makes us question what's going on there. 700 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160 I think the Germaine Greer portrait 701 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,080 is much more psychological, as a portrait, 702 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,680 and as people expect a portrait to be than mine is. 703 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,120 And I think he was genuinely interested 704 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,680 in trying to catch what it was that made her work, 705 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,040 made her the person she is, the mind that she is. 706 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,400 It's a synthetic painting. 707 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,680 I saw the actual wall in Melbourne, from a car. 708 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,440 It's the back of the Melbourne grandstand. 709 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,280 And I made a sketch of that 710 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,720 and then I just needed a figure somewhere. 711 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,800 And it just happened that Germaine came over 712 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,160 and I asked to sit in the chair. 713 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,240 She was a very reluctant model. 714 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,080 And I think it's rather cheeky of me 715 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,880 to call it a portrait of Germaine Greer. 716 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,720 And she says, "I don't sit like that. 717 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,920 "I'd never sit with my knees together 718 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,680 "and I would never have a handbag like that." 719 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,680 All those things, those criticisms, 720 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,080 are absolutely bang-on. 721 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,000 But I do think it looks like her. 722 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,680 When he started painting me, 723 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,680 I thought it was going to be a big portrait of me 724 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,960 because he did a very meticulous head study 725 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,280 and he kept up a running commentary while he was painting me, 726 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,680 mainly about my physical deficiencies. 727 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,360 Apparently my ears are asymmetrical 728 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,920 and my eyes are unusually small. 729 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,680 There was quite a lot of that. 730 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,920 The results were staggering. It's a wonderful head study. 731 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,440 I still got it. 732 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,520 And I thought, well, the painting will be a big version of that. 733 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120 Jeffrey Smart struggled. He'd done the charcoal sketch. 734 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,000 He'd done the oil sketch. 735 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,160 He'd started on a composition. 736 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,240 But he couldn't get it to work. 737 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,000 He couldn't get the likeness to work. 738 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,440 He stopped. He abandoned the painting. 739 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360 But in a moment of inspiration, 740 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,880 Smart had seen, from a metro train in Tokyo, 741 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,280 a large yellow fence. 742 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,720 He sketched it and he thought, "There's a painting in that." 743 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,880 And then when I got to Sydney the following year, 744 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,360 the painting, undoubtedly, was big - it was huge. 745 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,400 It's as...you know, it's like a tennis court. 746 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,640 But, me, the picture of me 747 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600 is a very, very tiny thing, a little dot. 748 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,320 And I got used to that fairly quickly. 749 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,280 He thinks, jokingly, of course, 750 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,960 that it was a serious effort to put him down. 751 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,400 But how could you ever put Clive down? 752 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,640 Ever? 753 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,720 See, you go through fallow periods, 754 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,680 droughts when there's nothing, 755 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,080 When you don't have anything to paint, there's nothing... 756 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,160 ..you don't see anything. 757 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,480 If you work hard, even, you know, without hope, 758 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,280 then something happens. 759 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440 The offer of me working means that I'm offering myself, 760 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,880 "Here, come on, please give me some ideas, whoever you are." 761 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,760 But you have a feeling that comes from somewhere else. 762 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,520 DE ZAN: Jeffrey would mention if a painting was proving very difficult 763 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,160 and having to really work at it. 764 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,960 We would sort of spar with each other. 765 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,200 And once, I think - you know, the arrogance of youth - 766 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,320 I just said as an off-the-cuff sort of thing, 767 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,840 I said, "Oh," I said, 768 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,880 "Why do you bother, when you see Raphael and Rembrandt and all this?" 769 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,640 And he got very, very upset about that. 770 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040 I mean, that really sort of upset him, 771 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,720 Because, you know, I think there WERE doubts. 772 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,160 Yeah, but I'm feeling very... This one's depressing me. 773 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,560 Then I've got that one down there, which is depressing. 774 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,920 I've got a huge one here which is really bad. 775 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,400 I'll show that to you. 776 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,920 I mean, it's really... 777 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,600 Things couldn't be worse at the moment. 778 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:34,000 This is almost finished, but it's... it's a bloody disaster. 779 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,720 I mean, really, it's a hideous picture, 780 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,120 and it's not right. 781 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,880 Perhaps I've finished. Do you think my career is over? 782 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,040 You do hit flat patches in your work 783 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,840 when you feel that it is escaping from you. 784 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,600 Everybody has terribly flat times. Everybody does. 785 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,120 And it's just that in between those times of the moments of inspiration, 786 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,480 you've just got to work. 787 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,160 Ben Nicholson said painting is a form of prayer. 788 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,920 And I believe that. 789 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,560 It's doggedly going on, 790 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,600 and then you wait for the next push to come. 791 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,280 It's a pathetic position. 792 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,240 Then you get a lovely idea 793 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,720 and the donkey's got the carrot in front of the nose again 794 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,880 and off you go and you're happy again. 795 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,800 It's a pathetic condition. 796 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,320 Do you think that'll be better? 797 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,760 Yeah. 798 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000 Alright, we'll try it. 799 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,800 I was always bewildered by Jeffrey's expressions of self doubt, 800 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,080 and he would never explain it very well. 801 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,120 He'd, in fact, run away from the question. 802 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,600 But finally, several years ago - it was actually 1995 - 803 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,080 he came clean. 804 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,120 And he made the most articulate statement 805 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,600 I've ever heard from him 806 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,600 about this issue of impending doom, disaster, failure, 807 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,120 disappointment in the next painting he was about to embark upon. 808 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,960 He said, very firmly, 809 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,080 "Look, remember, I came to live in this country 810 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,520 "to worship at the altars of the greatest painters 811 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,440 "in the history of art, 812 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,720 "to measure my standards against them 813 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,480 "and maintain a grasp of reality. 814 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,360 "By that I mean measure, not equal or surpass them. 815 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:29,440 "Think of exemplars such as Piero and Giovanni Bellini and so on. 816 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,080 "The prospect of coming anywhere near them would be utterly absurd. 817 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,600 "And so in that way, I always felt doomed to fail. 818 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,480 "Why do you think I rejoice 819 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,880 "to find occasional flaws in paintings of the great ones? 820 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,560 "It gives hope. 821 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,120 "Such flaws remind me to be more forgiving of my own." 822 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,600 And I think that's the most fantastic 823 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,800 kind of summary of his problem 824 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520 that he carried with him, really, right from the very beginning. 825 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,800 I'm going to knock it in there now. 826 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,160 I'm on the... 827 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,360 I'm teetering on the brink of total collapse. 828 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,080 I've just got to check up and see if the kettle's on. 829 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,080 One of my favourite stories is about Cezanne. 830 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,400 He used to throw the canvases out through the window, 831 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,880 and just hurl them out with absolute rage and despair. 832 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,600 And there's a story that 833 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,120 one day he was walking in the garden with his son 834 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,000 and saw the picture up in a tree. 835 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,680 And he said to young Paul, 836 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,360 "You know, that could, perhaps, work. 837 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,080 "Do you think you could get it? 838 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,600 "Perhaps I could start it, work at it again." 839 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680 And that happens with pictures. 840 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,840 You can you can have a picture that won't work for you 841 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,200 for months or years. 842 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,320 And you put it aside, put it in these racks. 843 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,720 And then every now and again, 844 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:03,680 you bring out them...bring them out 845 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,960 and think, "Perhaps I could do this or that." 846 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,240 Some, of course, defeat you always. 847 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,400 Some go through smoothly. 848 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,840 There's no rules. 849 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,680 DE ZAN: If a painting didn't come off, he'd burn it. 850 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,560 And Jeffrey was very aware if he overworked a painting, 851 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,720 you'd lose the surface of the canvas. 852 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:32,880 It would... 853 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,120 He said if you've got a linoleum effect on the painting, 854 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,680 you killed it, you know? 855 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,480 Which is why he would really keep a painting fresh. 856 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,520 There are very bad times 857 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,240 when I haven't... when I've run out of things 858 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:51,760 and I haven't got anything. 859 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840 And I go through all my old sketches and I think, 860 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,880 "Could you work that into a picture?" 861 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040 You get the light hitting the building. 862 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,720 What I do then, is I... 863 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,200 I go off in the car and meander around and mope around. 864 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,560 If it's clear, if the weather's clear, 865 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,080 if there's a sidelight, 866 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,960 particularly early morning or late in the evening, 867 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,920 and I mope around all the places near me - 868 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,520 the indus...'cause I'm in an industrial part of Italy, 869 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,840 as you know. 870 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,240 And I just look at things and I get little ideas, 871 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,680 and I think oh, perhaps we'll work that up into a thing. 872 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,240 Ermes and I were driving down to Greece. 873 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:34,000 I'd already had a request from the Victorian Arts Council 874 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,600 to do a mural. 875 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,400 And they showed me the drawings, 876 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,640 and there was this long thing, like that. 877 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,280 I mean, really long. 878 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,520 What could I do? A motor car? 879 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080 Or a man or a woman standing there at a factory? 880 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,040 I don't know. I just thought it's just too long. 881 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,680 I can't. It's never... 882 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,920 Well, how can I fill a space long and thin like that? 883 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,320 We were sitting in the car, we were driving through the thing, 884 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,040 and there we saw this heavenly container train 885 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,560 of different colours 886 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,960 threading its way through trees. 887 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,440 And we both looked through this, the saplings and things, 888 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,800 and Ermes said, "There's the mural." 889 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,440 He said it first. 890 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,040 And I said, "By God, it is, isn't it? Yes, that's it." 891 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,720 ROGERS: His lifetime output is quite small for an Australian artist. 892 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,960 His total number of works is probably about 2,500, 893 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,920 including drawings. 894 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,240 You want to compare that to somebody, say such as Boyd - 895 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,720 you're probably looking, 10,000. 896 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,000 Whiteley - probably a few more, 15,000. 897 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,320 Nolan - probably 20,000-plus. 898 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,280 But smart he would spend months, even, sometimes years, 899 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,280 getting a composition right 900 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,280 before he was happy to let it go out of the studio 901 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,600 and into a show. 902 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,200 I don't want people to read too much into things. 903 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,520 I want them to look at the shapes. 904 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,000 Whereas I think that long elliptical shape of a man in a dark suit 905 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,000 is a fairly...just a dark shape, but it makes a nice volume. 906 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,600 You know that in one book it got the misprint. 907 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160 There was a misprint because of my handwriting. 908 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,360 And I said... 909 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,160 The question was, "Why do you put men with bald heads?" 910 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,520 And I said, "It makes a LONELY volume," it came out as. 911 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,880 I never said that. I said it makes a LOVELY volume. 912 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,400 (WHISPERS) But lonely volume... You see? 913 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,760 "Oh, he means something by that." 914 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,640 Do you think life got past him by? He's Prufrock? 915 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,760 He is a sort of a semi T.S. Eliot character, perhaps. 916 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,320 Yes. 917 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,080 FITZPATRICK: The Love Song Of J. Alfred Prufrock. 918 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,840 Let us go, then, you and I, 919 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,280 When the evening is spread out against the sky 920 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,680 Like a patient etherized upon a table, 921 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,320 Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets, 922 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,800 The muttering retreats 923 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,720 Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels 924 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,200 And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells - 925 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,280 Streets that follow like a tedious argument 926 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,040 Of insidious intent 927 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,840 To lead you to an overwhelming question... 928 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,720 Oh, do not ask, "What is it?" 929 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,600 Let us go and make our visit. 930 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,120 I grow old... I grow old... 931 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,040 I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled. 932 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,320 Shall I put my hair behind? Do I dare eat a peach? 933 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,760 I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach. 934 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,640 I have heard the mermaid singing, each to each. 935 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,600 I do not think they will sing to me. 936 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,960 MALOUF: The thing that impressed me, as I watched him work, 937 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,720 in thinking about his life as a painter, 938 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:08,760 is how carefully constructed all the paintings are, 939 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,800 and how much intellectual criticism 940 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,640 is brought to bear on the thing, 941 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,760 however intuitive and however immediate 942 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,840 the idea may be. 943 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,200 But I was also impressed by the fact that 944 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,440 when I got to see the work, going back a very long way, 945 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,440 how coherent it is. 946 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:40,120 How, once he has hit on the kind of painter he feels he can best be, 947 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,560 he sticks to that and is absolutely undiverted 948 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,920 in his exploration of all the complexities that offers 949 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,320 and all the distance it will take him. 950 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,600 PEARCE: A few years ago, when I visited Jeffrey in Tuscany, 951 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,840 he suddenly read this poem by Thomas Hardy called Heredity. 952 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,800 I realised it's about posterity 953 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,280 and almost a fear about "What happens after I'm gone?" 954 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,360 And I think in the end, the poem is quite symbolic of his own work. 955 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,960 What is going to survive him is his work. 956 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,360 And he says, I will be my work. 957 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,880 I think that's what that poem is. 958 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,880 And here's the party poem, 959 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,760 which, I think I know it by heart anyway. 960 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,880 You want me to recite it? MAN: Yes. 961 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,560 I am the family face, 962 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,000 Flesh perishes I live on, 963 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,800 Projecting trait and trace 964 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480 Through time to time anon, 965 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080 And jumping from place to place 966 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,600 Into oblivion. 967 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:53,560 The years-heired feature that can 968 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,320 With curve and voice and eye 969 00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,760 Despise the human span Of durance - that is I, 970 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,520 The eternal thing in man, 971 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,040 That heeds no call to die. 972 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,600 God, it's a marvellous poem. 973 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,160 Yes. 974 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,320 What a nice chap he was. 975 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,040 This is a very old cemetery at a place called Migliari. 976 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,960 It's at the top of a valley 977 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,640 which looks down over Jeffrey Smart's house. 978 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,040 And this is the cemetery where Jeffrey wants to be buried. 979 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,360 It's got that ethereal quality, 980 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,560 looking out over the whole of Tuscany, the Valdarno, 981 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,800 and the sense of a great passage of time, 982 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,320 going back centuries, to aeons, 983 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,120 contracted into an eternal moment. 984 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,640 Which kind of fits in with the kind of thing 985 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,040 that Jeffrey is trying to achieve in his painting, 986 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,120 its sense of timelessness or arresting time. 987 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,320 That time doesn't matter anymore. 988 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,200 Because what happened long time ago is just evident 989 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,320 by gazing out over this beautiful landscape. 990 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,160 The final painting is Labyrinth, 991 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,360 completed in 2011, 992 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,360 after which Jeffrey declared his retirement from painting. 993 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,720 It's a very enigmatic image. 994 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:26,120 You can see that through the stone labyrinth 995 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,240 is a kind of geometric landscape 996 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,560 that stretches as far as the eye can see. 997 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:36,680 And I think it evokes a memory of his childhood in Adelaide 998 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,880 when he fell in love with all those back lanes and alleyways and... 999 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,240 And it was a kind of child's heaven. 1000 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:48,120 And Labyrinth really transports us back in time to that memory. 1001 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,760 HART: I think this painting does take us full circle, in a way, 1002 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,840 that it is dealing with metaphysical ideas 1003 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,600 that he was interested in from his youth. 1004 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,840 But I also think it's a painting that looks to the future. 1005 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,920 It's like about infinity. 1006 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,800 You know, look at that maze and the way it isn't constrained. 1007 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,840 It goes on and on. So it's the possibilities of life. 1008 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,360 It's like all of us are trying to find our way 1009 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,600 through all these exits and different entry ways, 1010 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,280 and we get it wrong and then we find another way. 1011 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,240 But it's also extending to something beyond what we can actually see. 1012 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,880 But I always thought that painting was such a small thing, 1013 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,120 and it was all we could do was to paint a picture. 1014 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,680 How does that compare with Beethoven's Ninth Symphony? 1015 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,600 T.S. Eliot wrote, 1016 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,240 Words move, music moves, 1017 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,240 but that which is only living 1018 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,280 Can only die. 1019 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,080 Words, after speech, reach 1020 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,920 Into the silence. 1021 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,880 As a Chinese jar still 1022 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,680 Moves perpetually in its stillness. 1023 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,880 And I thought, "Oh, there we have it. He's saying what art CAN do." 1024 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,960 I'm convinced that Eliot must have known a lot about painting. 1025 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,120 If a good painting comes off, it has a stillness. 1026 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,200 It has a perfection. 1027 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,760 And that's as great as anything 1028 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,720 that, I think, as a musician or a poet can do. 1029 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,600 Captions by Red Bee Media 1030 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,600 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation 83833

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