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(radio chatter)
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(distant helicopter blades
beating)
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ROGER HARRIS:
Soldiers adapt.
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You go over there
with one mindset, you know,
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and then you adapt.
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You adapt to the atrocities
of war.
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You adapt to...
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...killing and dying, you know.
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After a while
it doesn't bother you.
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Well, I should say it doesn't
bother you as much.
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When I first arrived in Vietnam,
there were some...
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(sighs)
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there were some interesting
things that happened
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and I questioned
some of the Marines.
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I was made to realize that this
is war, and this is what we do.
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And that stuck in my head.
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This is war.
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This is what we do.
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And after a while
you embrace that.
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This is war.
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This is what we do.
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("Are You Experienced?" by the
Jimi Hendrix Experience playing)
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This evening I came here
to speak to you about Vietnam.
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There is progress
in the war itself,
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rather dramatic progress
considering the situation
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that actually prevailed when we
sent our troops there in 1965.
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The grip of the Viet Cong
on the people is being broken.
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HENDRIX:
♪ If you can just
get your mind together ♪
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(rapid gunfire)
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♪ Then come across to me
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NARRATOR:
In the summer of 1967,
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the men overseeing the war
in Vietnam
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remained outwardly optimistic--
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whatever private doubts
they may have held.
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HENDRIX:
♪ But first
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♪ Are you experienced?
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(airplane flying overhead)
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(explosion)
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♪ Have you ever been
experienced? ♪
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NARRATOR:
The American military command
in Vietnam, MACV,
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claimed to have killed
200,000 enemy troops
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and had told the president
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that the all-important
"crossover point"--
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the moment when U.S. and ARVN
forces were killing
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more Viet Cong
and North Vietnamese troops
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than the enemy could replace--
appeared to have been reached
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in almost all of South Vietnam.
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But the United States
had suffered
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nearly 75,000 casualties.
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By July 4,
14,624 Americans had died,
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and, off the record,
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many officers were much less
sanguine than their commanders.
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From Saigon, R.W. Apple
of theNew York Time s
summarized
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their views: "Victory is not
close at hand," he wrote.
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In fact,
"It may be beyond reach."
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("Are You Experienced?" by the
Jimi Hendrix Experience playing)
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(rapid gunfire)
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It was true that the enemy
rarely won a battle
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in the traditional military
sense that they drove
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the Americans from the field.
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But it was also true
that no American victory
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seemed to matter.
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Battered enemy units were
quickly reinforced and rearmed.
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Pacification--
winning the hearts and minds
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of the South Vietnamese people--
was not working.
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Saigon still controlled
only a fraction of a country
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roughly the size of Florida,
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and its government remained
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unpopular and riddled
with corruption.
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President Johnson had been
forced to raise taxes
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to meet the war's
ever-climbing cost.
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His ambitious social program--
his War on Poverty--
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was in retreat.
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HENDRIX:
♪ Trumpets and violins
I can hear in the distance ♪
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NARRATOR:
That summer, racial unrest
would grip American cities.
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HENDRIX:
♪ Maybe now
you can't hear them ♪
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♪ But you will
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NARRATOR:
The president would have to send
the Army into Detroit
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to end five days of rioting
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that left 43 dead and hundreds
of buildings razed.
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Twenty-six more died
in Newark, New Jersey,
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demonstrating yet again
how wide a gap
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remained between black
and white Americans.
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Only a third of the country saw
any sign of progress in Vietnam,
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and half of the country
now disapproved
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of the president's handling
of the war.
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Meanwhile,
Le Duan and his comrades
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who ran things in Hanoi,
were secretly planning
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a new offensive that they
believed would destroy
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what they called the puppet
government in Saigon
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and convince the United States
the war could never be won
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on the battlefield.
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JAMES WILLBANKS:
There's the old apocryphal story
that, in 1967,
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they went to the basement
of the Pentagon
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when the mainframe computers
took up the whole basement,
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and they put on the old
punch cards everything
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you could quantify--
numbers of ships,
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numbers of airplanes, numbers of
tanks, numbers of helicopters,
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artillery, machine gun, ammo--
everything you could quantify,
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put it in the hopper and said,
"When will we win in Vietnam?"
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Went away on Friday.
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The thing ground away
all weekend.
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Came back on Monday and there
was one card in the output tray
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and it said, "You won in 1965."
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The only problem
is the enemy gets a vote
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and they weren't
on the punch cards.
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NARRATOR:
There were nearly half a million
American soldiers in Vietnam
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by the middle of 1967,
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with thousands more on the way.
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Only 20% would ever
be in combat.
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The rest served
in support units.
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None of them had been taught
very much about the people
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against whom-- and for whom--
they had been asked to fight.
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Troops called the Vietnamese
"gooks"--
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a term first used
by U.S. Marines to refer
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to the people of Haiti
and Nicaragua
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during the American occupation
of those countries,
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and then applied
to the Asian enemy in Korea.
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Or "slopes," an epithet for the
Japanese during the Pacific War,
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or "dinks," an Australian term
for the Chinese.
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And so in basic training
they taught you
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that you were going to be
fighting gooks.
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It was part of the song
that you sang
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as you jogged down the road.
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As you went through
bayonet training,
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you were not talking about
Vietnamese.
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You were always
talking about gooks.
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Vietnamese might be people,
but gooks are-are...
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are close to being animals.
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NARRATOR:
GIs called Vietnamese homes
"hooches"--
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a corruption of the Japanese
word for dwelling places
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that they had learned during
the battle for Okinawa
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in the Second World War.
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Soldiers referred to older
Vietnamese women as "mama sans,"
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the term they used for women
who ran whorehouses
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in occupied Japan.
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The Viet Cong
and the North Vietnamese
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called GIs "invaders,"
"imperialists,"
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and (speaking Vietnamese)--
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"American bandits."
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South Vietnam had been divided
into four tactical zones.
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By the summer of 1967,
American troops were fighting
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in all four of them.
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In IV Corps,
the "Brown Water Navy"
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patrolled the rivers
and canals and marshes
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of the densely populated
Mekong Delta,
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searching for the enemy.
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In III Corps, the Army continued
to sweep the thick jungles
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of the Iron Triangle,
the Viet Cong sanctuary
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near Saigon that was supposed
to have been permanently denied
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to the enemy by big American
operations earlier in the year.
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In II Corps,
a series of bloody battles
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in the Central Highlands
around Dak To temporarily drove
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North Vietnamese troops
back into Cambodia and Laos.
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But some of the most intense
combat would take place
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in I Corps-- made up of the
five northernmost provinces
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of South Vietnam--
where the Marines would bear
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the brunt of the fighting.
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More than two-and-a-half million
people lived there,
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all but 2% of them within
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the narrow rice-growing
river valleys
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along the South China Sea.
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The Marines wanted to eradicate
the Viet Cong there,
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and provide security
to the people,
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village by village,
hamlet by hamlet.
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The vast, largely empty
highlands that stretched
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westward all the way to Laos,
the Marines argued,
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could be left to the enemy.
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"The real war is among
the people,"
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said Marine lieutenant
general Victor Krulak,
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"and not among the mountains."
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But General William
Westmoreland,
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the American commander,
feared that thousands
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of North Vietnamese Army
regulars-- the NVA--
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were planning to seize
the two northernmost provinces.
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Finding and destroying them
remained his first goal.
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(helicopter blades beating)
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He insisted
the Third Marine Division
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move north to meet
that challenge,
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establish a base at Dong Ha and
man strongpoints at Gio Linh,
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Con Thien, Cam Lo, Camp Carroll,
the Rockpile and Khe Sanh.
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Khe Sanh overlooked Route 9,
the East-West highway
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that Westmoreland hoped would
one day carry American troops
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across the border into Laos,
where North Vietnamese men
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and supplies were streaming
south on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
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But the thousands of Marines
monitoring the border
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would find themselves within
range of highly accurate
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North Vietnamese artillery
and rocket launchers
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hidden within the DMZ.
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("I'm a Man" by The Spencer
Davis Group playing"
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(explosions)
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JOHN LAURENCE:
Tell me...
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You came here at full strength?
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I had 13 men when I came.
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And it's four days later now
and how many are still here?
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Six.
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("I'm a Man" continues)
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The rifles have been jamming,
the mud's been...
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it slowed everything down.
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And the artillery comes in
everywhere.
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And, ah, it just gets
pretty futile
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and frustrating sometimes.
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("I'm a Man" continues)
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I can't say that I'm scared
stiff, but I'm scared.
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I mean, after a while,
you know it's going to come.
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And you can't do nothing
about it.
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And you just look to God.
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SPENCER DAVIS GROUP:
♪ Well, my pad is very messy
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♪ And there's whiskers
on my chin. ♪
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NARRATOR:
Private First Class
John Musgrave
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of Fairmount, Missouri,
who had volunteered to join
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the 3rd Marine Division,
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was sent to the battle-scarred
countryside around Con Thien,
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a few kilometers south
of the DMZ.
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(explosion)
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JOHN MUSGRAVE:
For the Marines in northern I
Corps in the 3rd Marine Division
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in the spring and summer of 1967
we called the DMZ
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the "Dead Marine Zone."
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NARRATOR:
Musgrave's 1st Battalion
had already suffered
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so many casualties in a series
of bloody sweeps
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that it was believed to be
a hard-luck outfit.
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They were called
the "Walking Dead."
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SPENCER DAVIS GROUP:
♪ I'm a man, yes I am,
and I can't... ♪
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MUSGRAVE:
I joined the Marine Corps
to be in the varsity.
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And I felt like I wasn't varsity
unless I was up north
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fighting the NVA.
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I have never regretted
that decision.
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There were times when
we were under artillery fire,
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where I thought, you know,
"What-what were you thinking?"
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Here it is in a nutshell:
if I lived to be 63 years old,
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I didn't want to look
in the mirror some morning
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and have a guy looking back at
me that hadn't done everything
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for what he believed,
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that let somebody else
do the harder part.
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Every major contact I remember
with the NVA was initiated
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by them ambushing us.
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They wouldn't hit us
unless they outnumbered us.
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And we were fighting
in their yard.
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They knew the ground; we didn't.
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They were just really good.
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LE VAN CHO:
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NARRATOR:
The North Vietnamese
carried Soviet-made,
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seemingly indestructible AK-47s.
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The Marines had to fight
with newly issued M-16 rifles
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that had for a time
a potentially fatal design flaw:
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they needed constant cleaning
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and often jammed
in the middle of firefights.
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MUSGRAVE:
Their rifles worked;
ours didn't.
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The M-16 was a piece of shit.
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You can't throw
your bullets at the enemy
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and have them be effective.
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And that rifle
malfunctioned on us repeatedly.
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(gunfire)
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HO HUU LAN:
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My hatred for them
was pure.
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Pure.
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I hated them so much.
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And I was so scared of them.
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Boy, I was terrified of them.
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And the scareder I got,
the more I hated them.
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MUSGRAVE:
I only killed one human being
in Vietnam.
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And that was the first man
that I ever killed.
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And I was sick with guilt
about killing that guy
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and thinking I'm going
to have to do this
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for the next 13 months.
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I'm-I'm going to go crazy.
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And I saw a Marine step
on a bouncing Betty mine,
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and that's when I made
my deal with the devil
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and that I said, "I will never
kill another human being
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"as long as I'm in Vietnam.
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"However, I will waste
as many gooks as I can find.
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"I'll wax as many dinks
as I can find.
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"I'll smoke as many zips
as I can find.
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But I ain't gonna kill anybody,"
you know?
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Turn the subject into an object.
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It's Racism 101.
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It turns out to be
a very necessary tool
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when you have children
fighting your wars,
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for them to stay sane
doing their work.
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NARRATOR:
On one early patrol,
Musgrave watched
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an American fighter swoop down
to drop napalm on enemy troops
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hidden behind a hedgerow.
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He could hear their AK-47s
firing at the plane
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until the instant
they were engulfed in flames.
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"If the enemy is willing to die
like that," he thought,
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"this is going to be
one very long war."
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MUSGRAVE:
They knew if they would pop
the ambush close
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and then get amongst you,
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we couldn't or would hesitate
to call in air on ourselves.
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So that... firefights
like that we called brawls.
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They were very intimate.
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And they were very deadly.
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And they were
absolutely terrifying.
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NARRATOR:
The Marines were spread too thin
to hold any of the territory
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they fought so hard to take.
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Again and again, they were sent
out from one stronghold
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or another along the DMZ,
looking for enemy soldiers.
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MUSGRAVE:
The disillusionment for me began
when I was going back
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to fight at places
we'd already fought before.
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We had fought, captured,
and then left
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and the NVA came right back.
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You don't like getting wounded
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in places you've already
been before.
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War is a real estate
business.
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We're supposed to take
real estate away from the enemy
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and then deny the enemy access
to that real estate.
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NARRATOR:
On the morning of July 2, 1967,
the 1st Battalion launched
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yet another sweep of the area
northeast of Con Thien.
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When they reached a crossroads
called "The Marketplace,"
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barely a mile and quarter from
their base, they were ambushed.
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One company
was virtually annihilated.
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John Musgrave's company
rushed to rescue the survivors,
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only to be pinned down there
as well.
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It was one of the worst days the
Marine Corps endured in Vietnam:
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53 dead and 190 wounded were
carried off the battlefield.
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Thirty-four more dead
had to be left behind,
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and when Marines fought
their way back two days later
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to retrieve their bodies,
they found that a number
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had died because their M-16s had
jammed as the enemy closed in.
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Many had been executed,
shot in the face
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00:19:39,796 --> 00:19:42,596
or back of the head
at close range.
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Some bodies had been
booby-trapped,
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others mutilated.
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MUSGRAVE:
Marine amphibious force
headquarters
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was so desperate to get
North Vietnamese prisoners,
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that they offered us
three day in-country R&R
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if we'd bring a prisoner in.
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Yeah, good luck.
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You know?
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Don't you know who...
what we're doing up here?
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Do you know who we're fighting?
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I want to make this clear,
we did not torture prisoners
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and we did not mutilate them.
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But to be a prisoner you had to
make it to the rear, you know.
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If he was with...
fell into our hands
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he was just one sorry fucker.
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I don't know how to explain it
that it would make sense.
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("Green Onions" by
Booker T. & the M.G.s playing)
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HARRIS:
Roxbury, where I grew up,
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was the African-American
neighborhood,
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00:20:55,606 --> 00:20:59,440
and South Boston was
the Irish-Catholic bastion.
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You know,
there was a lot of hate.
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South Boston folks hated us,
we hated them.
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And ironically, um...
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(sighs)
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You know, you end up in a war.
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And the Vietnamese didn't care
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whether you were from
Roxbury or South Boston.
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They saw you as American.
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00:21:18,942 --> 00:21:22,177
And they wanted to kill you
because you're American.
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NARRATOR:
Private Roger Harris had joined
the Marines in part, he said,
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00:21:26,677 --> 00:21:29,044
because he wanted to be
"a gladiator,"
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a killer of his country's
enemies.
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On July 28, two weeks after
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John Musgrave's badly mangled
1st Battalion was pulled back
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to rest and recover,
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00:21:41,713 --> 00:21:45,746
Roger Harris and the 2nd
Battalion moved out of Con Thien
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and into the southern half of
the Demilitarized Zone itself.
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HARRIS:
We wanted the
North Vietnamese Army
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to expose themselves.
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So, basically,
you put the bait out there,
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00:21:58,882 --> 00:22:03,215
and then we could call in
and rain hell on them.
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NARRATOR:
Roger Harris's battalion
advanced into the DMZ
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along a rough cart track
that led to the Ben Hai River.
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But planners had failed to see
that a concrete bridge
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over an impassable stream
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was too narrow and too weak
to carry armored vehicles.
368
00:22:23,185 --> 00:22:27,952
Now the Marines had no choice
but to violate a cardinal rule
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00:22:28,052 --> 00:22:29,586
of infantry tactics--
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00:22:29,686 --> 00:22:34,720
turn around and try to go back
the way they had come.
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00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:37,953
The enemy was waiting.
372
00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:40,754
(explosion, rapid gunfire)
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Massive ambushes and...
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00:22:46,955 --> 00:22:48,422
(gunfire, shouting)
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00:22:48,522 --> 00:22:52,489
...and, um, a lot of death.
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00:22:52,589 --> 00:22:54,490
And...
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...craziness.
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NARRATOR:
The Marines were forced to run
a bloody gauntlet of mortars,
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00:23:02,757 --> 00:23:06,591
machine gun fire and
rocket-propelled grenades.
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00:23:06,691 --> 00:23:11,392
HARRIS:
I had the utmost respect for the
North Vietnamese Army soldiers.
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00:23:11,492 --> 00:23:17,759
When you see someone jump out
and confront a tank, you know,
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with a big 50-caliber
machine gun on it
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00:23:20,093 --> 00:23:23,027
and a 90-millimeter cannon
on it,
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00:23:23,127 --> 00:23:27,327
and an individual takes on
the tank,
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00:23:27,427 --> 00:23:29,060
I think that says something.
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00:23:30,695 --> 00:23:33,495
NARRATOR:
Roger Harris's company
held up the rear,
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hounded by enemy
soldiers on all sides.
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00:23:39,762 --> 00:23:43,062
The Marines staggered back
out of the DMZ
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00:23:43,162 --> 00:23:46,263
alongside the battered
armored vehicles
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00:23:46,363 --> 00:23:50,163
heaped with dead
and wounded Americans.
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00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:53,164
The battalion suffered
214 casualties.
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00:23:56,298 --> 00:23:59,765
HARRIS:
Wasn't a good day
for Marines at all.
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00:23:59,865 --> 00:24:01,132
A lot of people died.
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00:24:01,232 --> 00:24:02,432
People got their legs shot off.
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00:24:02,532 --> 00:24:04,432
People got run over by tanks.
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00:24:07,066 --> 00:24:09,966
I don't want to talk about it
because it's...
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00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,701
it's not a good day,
wasn't a good day.
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LO KHAC TAM:
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00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:27,877
This is "bau cu",
the day of voting in Vietnam,
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00:25:27,977 --> 00:25:30,877
and it's a solemn day
in the village of Hung Thao Phu
401
00:25:30,977 --> 00:25:33,612
and in other villages
throughout the country.
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00:25:33,712 --> 00:25:36,178
And these people have dressed up
in their Sunday best for it.
403
00:25:39,045 --> 00:25:42,046
NARRATOR:
South Vietnamese prime minister
Nguyen Cao Ky
404
00:25:42,146 --> 00:25:46,046
had crushed
his Buddhist opponents in 1966,
405
00:25:46,146 --> 00:25:48,547
but he had been forced
by the Americans
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00:25:48,647 --> 00:25:51,980
and his political rivals
to make at least tentative moves
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00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,748
toward democracy--
election of a national assembly,
408
00:25:55,848 --> 00:25:59,015
a new constitution,
and a promise of elections
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00:25:59,115 --> 00:26:02,316
for president
and vice president.
410
00:26:02,416 --> 00:26:07,216
But when Ky's old adversary
Nguyen Van Thieu declared
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00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:10,117
he wanted to challenge Ky
for the top spot,
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00:26:10,217 --> 00:26:13,383
things in Saigon had threatened
to come apart again.
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00:26:15,817 --> 00:26:18,384
PHAN QUANG TUE:
We were watching the rivalry
between Thieu and Ky.
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00:26:18,484 --> 00:26:20,551
And that was a game.
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00:26:20,651 --> 00:26:23,551
In Vietnam, the country
was watching like a...
416
00:26:23,651 --> 00:26:26,419
we were watch...
watching a movie.
417
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:28,719
And Thieu and Ky
was watching as to,
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00:26:28,819 --> 00:26:31,620
not whoever had the support
of the people,
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00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,053
but who had the support of the
Americans and the White House.
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00:26:36,153 --> 00:26:39,487
NARRATOR:
Ellsworth Bunker,
the American ambassador,
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00:26:39,587 --> 00:26:43,054
called both men to his residence
and warned that
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00:26:43,154 --> 00:26:46,922
the United States would not
tolerate another power struggle:
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00:26:47,022 --> 00:26:50,588
Thieu and Ky needed to meet
with their fellow generals
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00:26:50,688 --> 00:26:53,189
and decide who would run
for president
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00:26:53,289 --> 00:26:55,823
and who would be
his running mate.
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00:26:55,923 --> 00:26:58,356
Thieu emerged on top.
427
00:26:58,456 --> 00:27:01,424
He was unassuming
and unflappable,
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00:27:01,524 --> 00:27:04,090
interested largely
in accumulating power
429
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:07,324
and personal wealth
and was thought unlikely
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00:27:07,425 --> 00:27:10,158
ever to embarrass Washington.
431
00:27:10,258 --> 00:27:13,725
Ky would be his vice president.
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00:27:13,825 --> 00:27:18,792
Together, they won with only
35% of the vote.
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00:27:18,892 --> 00:27:21,993
No one who had called
for an end to the war
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00:27:22,093 --> 00:27:24,327
had been allowed to run.
435
00:27:24,427 --> 00:27:26,960
Many Buddhists had boycotted
the election,
436
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:32,161
and Viet Cong intimidation had
kept many more from the polls.
437
00:27:32,261 --> 00:27:35,228
But the State Department
immediately declared
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00:27:35,328 --> 00:27:38,229
the election
an important "step forward."
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00:27:40,129 --> 00:27:43,562
Some South Vietnamese
did believe that a measure
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00:27:43,663 --> 00:27:46,796
of stability had finally
been achieved.
441
00:27:46,896 --> 00:27:49,930
Others were not so sure.
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00:27:51,497 --> 00:27:55,731
TUE:
In terms of corruption,
yes, they were corrupt.
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00:27:55,831 --> 00:28:00,498
Both Thieu and Ky,
they abused their position.
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00:28:00,598 --> 00:28:04,465
We pay a very high price
for having leaders
445
00:28:04,565 --> 00:28:07,233
like a Ky and Thieu.
446
00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:09,733
And we continue
to pay the price.
447
00:28:11,499 --> 00:28:14,967
("Soul Dressing" by
Booker T. & The M.G.s playing)
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00:28:15,067 --> 00:28:17,900
EVA JEFFERSON PATERSON:
My father was in
the United States Army.
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00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,635
And then when the Air Force
came about he switched over
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00:28:20,735 --> 00:28:23,068
to the Air Force.
451
00:28:23,168 --> 00:28:27,969
I grew up out of the country in
desegregated settings.
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00:28:28,069 --> 00:28:30,936
I was usually the only
little black girl in the class.
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00:28:31,036 --> 00:28:33,036
If you look
at my class pictures I look
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00:28:33,136 --> 00:28:36,737
like the little chocolate chip
in the vanilla ice cream.
455
00:28:36,837 --> 00:28:39,737
I was always a good student.
456
00:28:39,837 --> 00:28:42,571
I remember people saying,
"Oh, you speak so well."
457
00:28:42,671 --> 00:28:44,538
And the unstated part
is "for a black girl,"
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00:28:44,638 --> 00:28:47,338
probably a Negro girl
or colored girl, at that point.
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00:28:47,438 --> 00:28:52,072
NARRATOR:
Eva Jefferson's father
had served a year on airbases
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00:28:52,172 --> 00:28:55,772
in Vietnam and returned home
convinced the United States
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00:28:55,872 --> 00:28:58,406
had no business being there.
462
00:28:58,506 --> 00:29:02,106
But when his daughter entered
Northwestern University
463
00:29:02,206 --> 00:29:07,274
in the Chicago suburb
of Evanston in September 1967,
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00:29:07,374 --> 00:29:11,675
the war was not uppermost
in students' minds.
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00:29:11,775 --> 00:29:15,075
PATERSON:
The war was not really an issue.
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00:29:15,175 --> 00:29:17,008
It's like,
"Well, no, the president has
467
00:29:17,108 --> 00:29:19,076
"our best interests at heart.
468
00:29:19,176 --> 00:29:20,976
"He, of course,
would only prosecute a war
469
00:29:21,076 --> 00:29:22,443
that made sense."
470
00:29:22,543 --> 00:29:25,310
And I think most of America
felt that way.
471
00:29:25,410 --> 00:29:27,377
("Strange Brew"
by Cream playing)
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00:29:27,477 --> 00:29:29,510
NARRATOR:
At the University of Nebraska,
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00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:32,545
Jack Todd also supported
the war.
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00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:37,011
He had felt so strongly about it
in 1966 that he had signed up
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00:29:37,111 --> 00:29:40,079
for Marine officer training.
476
00:29:40,179 --> 00:29:42,779
I went into the Marine Corps
477
00:29:42,879 --> 00:29:45,179
thinking this was
all I wanted to do.
478
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,213
I mean my...
my goal was to be commander,
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00:29:47,313 --> 00:29:48,613
a platoon commander in Vietnam.
480
00:29:50,147 --> 00:29:53,480
NARRATOR:
But as time went by
and the war went on,
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00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:55,948
Todd and many of his
fellow students
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00:29:56,048 --> 00:29:57,714
began to change their minds.
483
00:29:59,048 --> 00:30:01,482
TODD:
All young people
go through changes.
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00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:04,415
But we were going through
astronomical changes
485
00:30:04,515 --> 00:30:06,749
at such a rapid rate.
486
00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:12,316
All the music, the culture,
everything that we listened to,
487
00:30:12,416 --> 00:30:14,516
everything that we thought
was transforming
488
00:30:14,616 --> 00:30:18,417
and the core of it all
was Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam.
489
00:30:18,517 --> 00:30:20,351
It just kept going
in the background.
490
00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:22,151
First, it was kind of like
a background noise
491
00:30:22,251 --> 00:30:24,118
and then it got to be
the elephant in the room.
492
00:30:24,218 --> 00:30:26,185
And then it was the elephant
sitting on your head
493
00:30:26,285 --> 00:30:27,918
and we...
we couldn't escape this.
494
00:30:28,018 --> 00:30:31,353
NARRATOR:
Todd attended
officer training school
495
00:30:31,453 --> 00:30:34,153
at Camp Upshur
in Quantico, Virginia.
496
00:30:34,253 --> 00:30:37,153
But doubts about the war
followed him there, too.
497
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:41,987
TODD:
I guess the emotional things
that were happening
498
00:30:42,087 --> 00:30:44,587
on the ground, the photographs
that we saw, the news images,
499
00:30:44,688 --> 00:30:47,655
and the fact that there
was no discernible progress,
500
00:30:47,755 --> 00:30:51,088
that really started to eat away
at what we thought.
501
00:30:51,188 --> 00:30:54,289
In the summer of '67,
I was at Camp Upshur, you know,
502
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:56,789
wanting to go
kill Vietnamese people.
503
00:30:56,889 --> 00:31:01,257
And in October, I was
completely against the war.
504
00:31:04,557 --> 00:31:07,124
JOHNSON:
Westmoreland came in
last night to me...
505
00:31:07,224 --> 00:31:11,258
And he says that he has
concentrated more firepower
506
00:31:11,358 --> 00:31:14,925
and bombing in the last week
on the DMZ
507
00:31:15,025 --> 00:31:18,859
and they've concentrated more
on us than has ever been
508
00:31:18,959 --> 00:31:21,060
concentrated
in any equivalent period
509
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,693
in the history of warfare...
510
00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:23,960
EVERETT DIRKSEN:
Yeah.
511
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:25,226
JOHNSON:
...much more than was ever
poured on
512
00:31:25,326 --> 00:31:26,660
Berlin or Tokyo,
513
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,161
and that his only defense
of the DMZ to stop
514
00:31:31,261 --> 00:31:34,161
this aggression up there
with the North Vietnamese
515
00:31:34,261 --> 00:31:37,928
trying to come in
is bombing their gun positions.
516
00:31:38,028 --> 00:31:39,495
DIRKSEN:
Yeah.
517
00:31:39,595 --> 00:31:41,395
JOHNSON:
And it would just be suicide
if we stopped the bombing
518
00:31:41,495 --> 00:31:43,729
as these idiots talking about.
519
00:31:43,829 --> 00:31:45,496
When you say stop the bombing
520
00:31:45,596 --> 00:31:48,363
you say,
"Kill more American Marines."
521
00:31:48,463 --> 00:31:49,363
That's all it means.
522
00:31:49,463 --> 00:31:50,730
DIRKSEN:
Yeah.
523
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:54,064
JOHNSON:
Now if we stop bombing,
without their talking
524
00:31:54,164 --> 00:31:56,930
and without any reciprocity
on their part,
525
00:31:57,031 --> 00:31:59,098
it just means we kill more
Americans, that's all
526
00:31:59,198 --> 00:32:00,131
DIRKSEN:
Yeah.
527
00:32:07,232 --> 00:32:10,799
NARRATOR:
Neither the ongoing bombing
of the North,
528
00:32:10,899 --> 00:32:14,333
nor the concentrated bombing
around the DMZ,
529
00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:16,367
nor the behind-the-scenes offers
530
00:32:16,467 --> 00:32:19,068
made by President Johnson
to stop it
531
00:32:19,168 --> 00:32:22,101
had any discernible effect
on Le Duan
532
00:32:22,201 --> 00:32:25,568
and the other men
who ran North Vietnam.
533
00:32:25,668 --> 00:32:28,635
But Le Duan,
like Lyndon Johnson,
534
00:32:28,735 --> 00:32:30,702
was in trouble that summer.
535
00:32:30,802 --> 00:32:33,670
The war with the Americans
had produced little more
536
00:32:33,770 --> 00:32:35,703
than a bloody stalemate.
537
00:32:35,803 --> 00:32:38,770
Some Viet Cong commanders
in the South
538
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:43,137
resented Hanoi's insistence
on directing their tactics.
539
00:32:43,237 --> 00:32:47,437
Many North Vietnamese civilians
were weary of the war
540
00:32:47,537 --> 00:32:50,438
and of the bombing
that had disrupted their lives
541
00:32:50,538 --> 00:32:54,072
and destroyed so much
of their infrastructure.
542
00:32:54,172 --> 00:32:56,739
The country's most revered
figures,
543
00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:01,339
Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap,
were urging patience,
544
00:33:01,439 --> 00:33:05,507
continuing to wage a war of
attrition, they still believed,
545
00:33:05,607 --> 00:33:08,707
would pay off in the end.
546
00:33:08,807 --> 00:33:12,341
Hanoi's Soviet and Chinese
patrons offered
547
00:33:12,441 --> 00:33:15,341
conflicting advice, as well.
548
00:33:15,441 --> 00:33:19,676
To silence his critics
and break the stalemate,
549
00:33:19,776 --> 00:33:22,242
Le Duan began to devise
and promote
550
00:33:22,342 --> 00:33:25,710
a new and riskier version
of the plan for victory
551
00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:29,277
he had tried in 1964.
552
00:33:29,377 --> 00:33:34,844
He called it the "General
Offensive, General Uprising."
553
00:33:34,944 --> 00:33:38,679
North Vietnamese and Viet Cong
units would launch
554
00:33:38,779 --> 00:33:43,012
scores of coordinated attacks
on South Vietnamese cities
555
00:33:43,112 --> 00:33:46,246
and towns and military bases.
556
00:33:46,346 --> 00:33:48,580
That offensive,
Le Duan believed,
557
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,213
would ignite
a mass civilian uprising.
558
00:33:52,313 --> 00:33:56,781
These simultaneous blows
would destroy the Saigon regime
559
00:33:56,881 --> 00:34:00,815
and leave Washington with
no choice but to withdraw.
560
00:34:51,922 --> 00:34:53,455
WILLBANKS:
We talk about our own hubris.
561
00:34:53,555 --> 00:34:55,689
There's some hubris
on their side as well.
562
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:57,655
And once they had
convinced themselves
563
00:34:57,755 --> 00:35:00,490
that this was going to be
a great success,
564
00:35:00,590 --> 00:35:03,590
it is what some wags have called
drinking your own bathwater.
565
00:35:05,023 --> 00:35:06,324
They decided it's going to be
a victory,
566
00:35:06,424 --> 00:35:08,424
even though there are people
in the South saying,
567
00:35:08,524 --> 00:35:09,957
"Hey, this is not a great idea."
568
00:35:10,057 --> 00:35:13,825
But these people are charged
with subjectivism
569
00:35:13,925 --> 00:35:16,558
and basically are told
to shut up and keep rolling.
570
00:35:16,658 --> 00:35:20,959
NARRATOR:
Le Duan neutralized those
who opposed his plan.
571
00:35:21,059 --> 00:35:24,193
Members of General Giap's staff
were arrested.
572
00:35:24,293 --> 00:35:26,859
So was Ho Chi Minh's secretary.
573
00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:30,627
HUY DUC:
574
00:35:43,529 --> 00:35:48,229
NARRATOR:
Hundreds of less prominent
figures-- journalists, students,
575
00:35:48,329 --> 00:35:51,563
even highly decorated heroes
of the French War--
576
00:35:51,663 --> 00:35:53,797
were also rounded up.
577
00:35:53,897 --> 00:35:56,731
Many were locked up
in the old French prison
578
00:35:56,831 --> 00:36:00,531
that the American POWs
also confined there called
579
00:36:00,631 --> 00:36:03,098
the "Hanoi Hilton."
580
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:06,932
The date eventually chosen
for the attack would be
581
00:36:07,032 --> 00:36:10,600
January 31, 1968,
582
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:14,733
the first day of the Vietnamese
Lunar New Year celebration,
583
00:36:14,833 --> 00:36:17,701
known as Tet.
584
00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:21,767
Hundreds, then thousands,
of North Vietnamese regulars
585
00:36:21,867 --> 00:36:24,968
in civilian clothes
began slipping southward
586
00:36:25,068 --> 00:36:29,702
to join tens of thousands
of Viet Cong already in place.
587
00:36:31,402 --> 00:36:32,836
HO HUU LAN:
588
00:36:54,506 --> 00:36:58,172
HUY DUC:
589
00:37:40,678 --> 00:37:42,945
NARRATOR:
In preparation
for the coming offensive,
590
00:37:43,045 --> 00:37:45,746
the North Vietnamese hoped
to lure American
591
00:37:45,846 --> 00:37:49,013
and South Vietnamese forces
away from cities
592
00:37:49,113 --> 00:37:51,379
and big military bases.
593
00:37:51,479 --> 00:37:54,914
To do that, they would mount
a series of assaults
594
00:37:55,014 --> 00:38:00,548
on remote outposts near
Cambodia, Laos, and the DMZ.
595
00:38:00,648 --> 00:38:05,615
These preliminary attacks became
known as the "Border Battles."
596
00:38:05,715 --> 00:38:09,049
Con Thien would be the first.
597
00:38:12,316 --> 00:38:14,517
In September and October,
598
00:38:14,617 --> 00:38:17,617
John Musgrave's
and Roger Harris's outfits
599
00:38:17,717 --> 00:38:20,183
took turns defending Con Thien
600
00:38:20,283 --> 00:38:24,184
as the North Vietnamese
tightened the noose around them.
601
00:38:24,284 --> 00:38:27,918
The only way in or out
was by helicopter.
602
00:38:30,219 --> 00:38:34,552
Con Thien in Vietnamese means
"Hill of Angels."
603
00:38:34,652 --> 00:38:36,620
(explosion)
604
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,186
MUSGRAVE:
Time at Con Thien
was time in the barrel.
605
00:38:40,286 --> 00:38:44,421
(multiple explosions)
606
00:38:44,521 --> 00:38:47,554
We were the fish,
they had the shotguns,
607
00:38:47,654 --> 00:38:49,722
they stuck in the barrel
and blasted away.
608
00:38:49,822 --> 00:38:52,522
And they were gonna hit
something every shot.
609
00:38:52,622 --> 00:38:55,622
Because Con Thien
was such a small area,
610
00:38:55,722 --> 00:38:57,656
and they pounded it
with that artillery
611
00:38:57,756 --> 00:38:59,756
from North Vietnam,
they couldn't miss.
612
00:39:00,889 --> 00:39:02,723
HO HUU LAN:
613
00:39:06,724 --> 00:39:10,924
I've never been, uh, as afraid.
614
00:39:11,024 --> 00:39:13,291
In fact that's why I'm not
afraid of anything now.
615
00:39:13,391 --> 00:39:15,758
I mean...
616
00:39:15,858 --> 00:39:17,191
there's nothing you can do.
617
00:39:17,291 --> 00:39:20,959
You just listen to the sounds
of the rockets coming over.
618
00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:24,592
And you just pray
that they don't land on you.
619
00:39:24,692 --> 00:39:27,327
The big question really seems
to be whether or not
620
00:39:27,427 --> 00:39:30,693
the North Vietnamese
intend to overrun Con Thien.
621
00:39:30,793 --> 00:39:33,628
The Marines have tripled
the number of troops
622
00:39:33,728 --> 00:39:35,061
guarding the outpost,
623
00:39:35,161 --> 00:39:36,661
and they've moved up more
battalions to be ready
624
00:39:36,761 --> 00:39:38,328
to reinforce.
625
00:39:38,428 --> 00:39:40,362
MUSGRAVE:
I sat in water.
626
00:39:40,462 --> 00:39:42,262
I slept in water.
627
00:39:42,362 --> 00:39:46,029
I ate in water,
because our holes were full.
628
00:39:46,129 --> 00:39:48,296
I mean a flooded foxhole
could drown a wounded man.
629
00:39:48,396 --> 00:39:50,996
HARRIS:
Spend your day
filling up sand bags,
630
00:39:51,096 --> 00:39:54,763
trying to create barriers that
you just put another layer on,
631
00:39:54,864 --> 00:39:56,531
put another layer on.
632
00:39:56,631 --> 00:40:01,097
A lot of mud, blood, uh...
633
00:40:01,197 --> 00:40:02,398
and artillery.
634
00:40:03,565 --> 00:40:04,865
MUSGRAVE:
It's red clay up there.
635
00:40:04,965 --> 00:40:07,598
And it's real sticky
and it could just grab onto you
636
00:40:07,698 --> 00:40:09,499
and pull your boots off.
637
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:10,966
It's hard to run in that stuff.
638
00:40:11,066 --> 00:40:12,766
And running,
when you're at a place
639
00:40:12,866 --> 00:40:14,399
where they're firing
heavy artillery at you,
640
00:40:14,499 --> 00:40:15,699
running's pretty important.
641
00:40:18,467 --> 00:40:20,534
During the siege
in the fall of 1967,
642
00:40:20,634 --> 00:40:22,767
we were getting newspaper
articles in the mail
643
00:40:22,867 --> 00:40:26,201
from our families and we were
being called the Alamo.
644
00:40:26,301 --> 00:40:29,168
You know, hey,
we knew what the Alamo was.
645
00:40:29,268 --> 00:40:31,336
We knew what happened there.
646
00:40:31,436 --> 00:40:35,036
(explosions)
647
00:40:35,136 --> 00:40:37,036
(men shouting)
648
00:40:37,136 --> 00:40:39,237
(explosions continue)
649
00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:42,237
HARRIS:
Like almost like every hour
there'd be a barrage.
650
00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:47,971
People get blown to bits,
literally blown to bits.
651
00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:51,771
You find a...
a boot with a leg in it, right.
652
00:40:51,871 --> 00:40:54,272
And so is the leg
white or black?
653
00:40:54,372 --> 00:40:56,305
So who... who was
the white Marine that was here?
654
00:40:56,405 --> 00:40:57,472
Who was the black?
655
00:40:57,572 --> 00:40:59,672
So then you try to remember
and you tag it
656
00:40:59,772 --> 00:41:01,140
and put that in the green bag.
657
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,906
And that's what goes back,
you know,
658
00:41:04,006 --> 00:41:06,273
as Marine Lance Corporal
so and so.
659
00:41:06,373 --> 00:41:09,407
And so, but sometimes you're not
even sure because the body
660
00:41:09,507 --> 00:41:11,507
has literally been blown
to bits, and the only thing
661
00:41:11,607 --> 00:41:14,174
that's left is a foot
or a piece of an arm.
662
00:41:14,274 --> 00:41:18,842
MUSGRAVE:
I carried a wallet calendar
from Clifford Forlow Insurance.
663
00:41:18,942 --> 00:41:21,075
He was my dad's insurance agent.
664
00:41:21,175 --> 00:41:24,709
And I marked off
each of the days religiously.
665
00:41:24,809 --> 00:41:29,377
And then in October,
we went up to Con Thien again.
666
00:41:29,477 --> 00:41:34,344
I just stopped, because
I thought, "This is pointless.
667
00:41:34,444 --> 00:41:36,578
"I'm not getting...
I'm not gonna go home.
668
00:41:36,678 --> 00:41:38,078
"I'm not gonna make it home.
669
00:41:38,178 --> 00:41:40,111
What...
you know, what's the point?"
670
00:41:40,211 --> 00:41:42,111
So I just quit marking them off.
671
00:41:43,712 --> 00:41:45,912
HARRIS:
I had the opportunity
to call my mother, you know.
672
00:41:46,012 --> 00:41:48,579
And I was telling my mother
what was happening over there
673
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:50,813
and I was telling her
how she shouldn't believe
674
00:41:50,913 --> 00:41:54,713
what she sees in the newspaper
and-and sees on television
675
00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:57,013
because we're losing the war.
676
00:41:57,113 --> 00:41:59,614
And I said, "You'll probably
never see me again
677
00:41:59,714 --> 00:42:02,981
"because we're the most northern
outpost that the Marines have,
678
00:42:03,081 --> 00:42:04,481
"you know.
679
00:42:04,581 --> 00:42:06,715
"We could literally could look
right into North Vietnam.
680
00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:09,282
We could see the sparks
when the guns fired on us."
681
00:42:09,382 --> 00:42:12,650
And I said, "And everybody
in my unit is dying, you know.
682
00:42:12,750 --> 00:42:14,616
And I probably won't be
coming back."
683
00:42:14,716 --> 00:42:16,816
And my mother said,
"No, you're coming back."
684
00:42:16,916 --> 00:42:19,751
She said, "I talk to God
every day and you're special.
685
00:42:19,851 --> 00:42:22,084
You're coming back."
686
00:42:22,184 --> 00:42:24,551
And I said, "Ma, everybody's
mother thinks that
687
00:42:24,651 --> 00:42:26,251
"they're special, you know.
688
00:42:26,351 --> 00:42:28,318
I'm putting pieces
of special people in bags."
689
00:42:30,418 --> 00:42:32,218
And I was feeling
that my mother's in denial.
690
00:42:32,318 --> 00:42:34,586
She just doesn't want to face
the fact that her only son
691
00:42:34,686 --> 00:42:36,619
is gonna die in Vietnam.
692
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,219
And I said,
"Ma, this isn't a joke."
693
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:39,919
I said, "Everybody's dying
over here, you know.
694
00:42:40,019 --> 00:42:41,086
Everybody's dying."
695
00:42:41,186 --> 00:42:42,720
And she said,
"You're not gonna die.
696
00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:44,220
You're not gonna die."
697
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,554
And, uh, the last thing
she said to me was,
698
00:42:46,654 --> 00:42:48,721
"God has a plan for you."
699
00:42:48,821 --> 00:42:49,955
And I said, "Yeah, right."
700
00:42:50,055 --> 00:42:51,055
And I hung up.
701
00:42:51,988 --> 00:42:53,655
(explosion)
702
00:42:55,922 --> 00:42:58,656
Mr. Stout, during what period
of time were you in Vietnam?
703
00:42:58,756 --> 00:43:01,922
I was in Vietnam
from September of 1966
704
00:43:02,022 --> 00:43:04,223
to September of 1967,
one year.
705
00:43:04,323 --> 00:43:05,690
And with what unit?
706
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:07,557
With the 1st Brigade
of the 101st Airborne.
707
00:43:07,657 --> 00:43:10,023
During the time
that you were in Vietnam,
708
00:43:10,123 --> 00:43:12,158
did you personally witness
any atrocities
709
00:43:12,258 --> 00:43:14,191
on the part
of American troops?
710
00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:15,191
Yes, I did.
711
00:43:16,858 --> 00:43:20,259
NARRATOR:
Dennis Stout from
Phoenix, Arizona, had enlisted
712
00:43:20,359 --> 00:43:25,160
in the Army at 20, and
served nine months in combat.
713
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:28,760
Wounded three times,
he became an Army reporter
714
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:34,627
covering the 327th Regiment
of the 101st Airborne.
715
00:43:34,727 --> 00:43:39,061
He would spend most of his time
with a unique commando platoon
716
00:43:39,161 --> 00:43:40,562
called "Tiger Force"--
717
00:43:40,662 --> 00:43:43,895
small, handpicked teams,
capable of remaining
718
00:43:43,995 --> 00:43:46,729
in the jungle
for weeks at a time,
719
00:43:46,829 --> 00:43:49,463
fast-moving and deadly,
720
00:43:49,563 --> 00:43:53,329
intended to
"out-guerrilla the guerrillas."
721
00:43:54,664 --> 00:43:57,364
Tiger Force fought in six
different provinces,
722
00:43:57,464 --> 00:44:00,564
repeatedly suffering
heavy losses.
723
00:44:00,664 --> 00:44:01,998
(rapid gunfire)
724
00:44:03,798 --> 00:44:07,065
RION CAUSEY:
If you've lost your best friend
and you want revenge,
725
00:44:07,165 --> 00:44:10,399
it's the officers who say,
"No, you can't do that."
726
00:44:10,499 --> 00:44:13,599
And if you do it,
then there's consequences.
727
00:44:13,699 --> 00:44:16,433
But when the officers, and
it includes the platoon leader
728
00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:19,467
and the battalion commander,
are telling you that this is
729
00:44:19,567 --> 00:44:24,201
what you're supposed to do, then
it gets completely out of hand.
730
00:44:24,301 --> 00:44:28,301
NARRATOR:
Some at MACV worried that such
a freewheeling outfit,
731
00:44:28,401 --> 00:44:32,169
operating on its own,
would be difficult to control.
732
00:44:32,269 --> 00:44:33,869
(gunfire)
733
00:44:33,969 --> 00:44:37,503
But General Westmoreland
and commanders in the field
734
00:44:37,603 --> 00:44:42,136
admired Tiger Force
for its reliable ferocity.
735
00:44:42,236 --> 00:44:46,271
In the summer of 1967,
Tiger Force was sent
736
00:44:46,371 --> 00:44:48,871
to the fertile Song Ve Valley.
737
00:44:48,971 --> 00:44:51,905
The entire population
had already been herded
738
00:44:52,005 --> 00:44:56,572
from their homes and crowded
into a refugee camp.
739
00:44:56,672 --> 00:44:59,906
But some had come back
to resume the farming
740
00:45:00,006 --> 00:45:02,273
they had always done.
741
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:06,940
The valley had officially been
declared a free-fire zone,
742
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,140
and Tiger Force's
officers took that literally.
743
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,108
"There are no friendlies,"
one lieutenant told his men.
744
00:45:15,208 --> 00:45:18,041
"Shoot anything that moves."
745
00:45:21,542 --> 00:45:24,509
Over a seven-month period,
they killed scores
746
00:45:24,609 --> 00:45:27,109
of unarmed civilians.
747
00:45:27,209 --> 00:45:30,710
Among their victims
were two blind brothers;
748
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:35,311
an elderly Buddhist monk;
women, children, and old people
749
00:45:35,411 --> 00:45:37,578
hiding in underground shelters;
750
00:45:37,678 --> 00:45:40,944
and three farmers
trying to plant rice.
751
00:45:41,044 --> 00:45:45,445
All were reported as
"enemy-- killed in action."
752
00:45:48,312 --> 00:45:52,246
STOUT:
These atrocities were
committed by soldiers
753
00:45:52,346 --> 00:45:54,580
of units I was assigned to
as a reporter
754
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,513
for the Army newspapers,
such as...
755
00:45:56,613 --> 00:46:00,081
NARRATOR:
Tiger Force was not
the only platoon
756
00:46:00,181 --> 00:46:03,747
Dennis Stout covered
that crossed the line.
757
00:46:03,847 --> 00:46:06,915
One such incident was
the rape and killing
758
00:46:07,015 --> 00:46:08,815
of a Vietnamese girl.
759
00:46:08,915 --> 00:46:13,716
She was captured,
kept for interrogation.
760
00:46:13,816 --> 00:46:16,683
Over a two-day period,
she was raped, then,
761
00:46:16,783 --> 00:46:18,516
on the morning of the third day,
she was killed.
762
00:46:18,617 --> 00:46:22,017
Was she raped
by more than one person?
763
00:46:22,117 --> 00:46:25,684
Yes, all but the medic
and myself,
764
00:46:25,784 --> 00:46:27,518
and possibly one other man
from the platoon.
765
00:46:27,618 --> 00:46:28,618
Did you protest?
766
00:46:28,718 --> 00:46:30,785
Did you try in any way
to have them stopped?
767
00:46:30,885 --> 00:46:34,152
Yes. After the rape incident,
I complained
768
00:46:34,252 --> 00:46:38,652
to the battalion sergeant major,
and his response was that
769
00:46:38,752 --> 00:46:41,020
this type of thing happens
in all wars,
770
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,420
and that I was not to mention
it; it was a common occurrence.
771
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,821
Then later, I went to
the chaplain, told him about it,
772
00:46:48,921 --> 00:46:51,154
he made
an investigation himself,
773
00:46:51,254 --> 00:46:53,521
found that this was true,
went with me
774
00:46:53,621 --> 00:46:55,055
to the sergeant major.
775
00:46:55,155 --> 00:46:59,222
The sergeant major then
said that...
776
00:46:59,322 --> 00:47:01,189
well, he told the chaplain
to stick to religion,
777
00:47:01,289 --> 00:47:04,823
sent him away, and then
he told me to keep quiet,
778
00:47:04,923 --> 00:47:08,590
that I did nothave t o return
from the next operation.
779
00:47:10,124 --> 00:47:13,191
NARRATOR:
Years later, another soldier
came forward
780
00:47:13,291 --> 00:47:15,991
with more allegations
of war crimes,
781
00:47:16,091 --> 00:47:19,558
and an Army investigation
would find probable cause
782
00:47:19,658 --> 00:47:24,559
to try 18 members of Tiger Force
for murder or assault.
783
00:47:25,659 --> 00:47:28,159
But no charges
were ever brought.
784
00:47:28,259 --> 00:47:31,394
The official records were buried
in the archives.
785
00:47:33,294 --> 00:47:35,194
WILLBANKS:
They should have all
gone to jail.
786
00:47:35,294 --> 00:47:36,760
They were guilty of murder.
787
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:38,228
Period.
788
00:47:38,328 --> 00:47:41,761
At the same time,
I felt like that incident,
789
00:47:41,861 --> 00:47:45,028
which I think was an aberration,
not the norm,
790
00:47:45,128 --> 00:47:47,729
tarred all veterans, and
there are hundreds of thousands
791
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:49,596
of veterans who went
and did their duty,
792
00:47:49,696 --> 00:47:52,129
and as honorable
as they possibly could,
793
00:47:52,229 --> 00:47:53,997
and they're tarred
with the same brush.
794
00:47:56,097 --> 00:47:59,363
KARL MARLANTES:
One of the things that I learned
in the war is that
795
00:47:59,463 --> 00:48:04,098
we're not the top species on
the planet because we're nice.
796
00:48:04,198 --> 00:48:07,365
We are a very aggressive
species.
797
00:48:07,465 --> 00:48:09,132
It is in us.
798
00:48:09,232 --> 00:48:12,565
And people talk a lot about
how, "Well, the military turns
799
00:48:12,665 --> 00:48:15,633
kids into killing machines"
and stuff.
800
00:48:17,233 --> 00:48:19,966
And I'll always argue that
it's just finishing school.
801
00:48:20,066 --> 00:48:24,701
What we do with civilization
is that we learn to inhibit
802
00:48:24,801 --> 00:48:28,134
and rope in these
aggressive tendencies.
803
00:48:28,234 --> 00:48:30,568
And we have to recognize them.
804
00:48:30,668 --> 00:48:34,468
I worry about a whole country
that doesn't recognize it.
805
00:48:34,568 --> 00:48:36,436
'Cause you think of how
many times we get ourselves
806
00:48:36,536 --> 00:48:39,869
in scrapes as a nation because
we're always the good guys.
807
00:48:39,969 --> 00:48:42,836
Sometimes, I think if we thought
that we weren't always
808
00:48:42,936 --> 00:48:45,270
the good guys, we might actually
get in less wars.
809
00:48:48,604 --> 00:48:49,604
(static humming)
810
00:48:49,704 --> 00:48:50,971
REPORTER:
Mr. Rubin,
811
00:48:51,071 --> 00:48:53,805
how do you realistically expect
to shut down the Pentagon?
812
00:48:53,905 --> 00:48:57,005
The Pentagon represents
the murder of people
813
00:48:57,105 --> 00:48:58,372
throughout the world.
814
00:48:58,472 --> 00:49:00,606
And the American people
have no control
815
00:49:00,706 --> 00:49:02,106
of what their government's
doing.
816
00:49:02,206 --> 00:49:05,673
And so we're going to go there
in the scores of thousands,
817
00:49:05,773 --> 00:49:08,840
and block doors
and fill hallways,
818
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:10,973
so the work
of the Pentagon stops.
819
00:49:11,073 --> 00:49:13,208
Because the work
of the Pentagon should stop.
820
00:49:13,308 --> 00:49:15,508
The only thing to do with
the Pentagon is to shut it down.
821
00:49:15,608 --> 00:49:18,208
("Waist Deep in the Big Muddy"
by Pete Seeger playing)
822
00:49:18,308 --> 00:49:20,975
♪ It was back in 1942
823
00:49:21,075 --> 00:49:23,342
♪ I was a member
of a good platoon ♪
824
00:49:23,442 --> 00:49:26,675
♪ We were on maneuvers
in Louisiana ♪
825
00:49:26,775 --> 00:49:28,676
♪ One night
by the light of the moon ♪
826
00:49:28,776 --> 00:49:32,343
♪ The captain told us
to ford a river ♪
827
00:49:32,443 --> 00:49:35,044
♪ That's how it all begun
828
00:49:35,144 --> 00:49:37,577
♪ We were knee deep
in the Big Muddy ♪
829
00:49:37,677 --> 00:49:40,444
♪ The big fool says to push on
830
00:49:40,544 --> 00:49:44,212
BILL ZIMMERMAN:
There was a major demonstration
either in New York
831
00:49:44,312 --> 00:49:48,879
or in Washington
every fall and every spring.
832
00:49:48,979 --> 00:49:52,013
We decided that we would go to
the demonstration
833
00:49:52,113 --> 00:49:55,679
in Washington at the Lincoln
Memorial in the fall of '67,
834
00:49:55,780 --> 00:49:58,380
but we would take as many
people out of that demonstration
835
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,280
as we could and lead them
to the Pentagon.
836
00:50:02,380 --> 00:50:06,848
And at the Pentagon, try to do
something more militant
837
00:50:06,948 --> 00:50:10,582
than simply stand around and
make speeches opposing the war,
838
00:50:10,682 --> 00:50:13,649
which is what these
demonstrations had become.
839
00:50:13,749 --> 00:50:15,149
SEEGER:
♪ No man will be able to swim.
840
00:50:15,249 --> 00:50:18,550
ZIMMERMAN:
And when the time came
to lead people away
841
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:20,817
from the Lincoln Memorial
toward the Pentagon,
842
00:50:20,917 --> 00:50:23,483
50,000 people marched.
843
00:50:23,583 --> 00:50:25,884
SEEGER:
♪ Men, follow me, I'll lead on
844
00:50:25,984 --> 00:50:28,918
♪ We were neck deep
in the Big Muddy ♪
845
00:50:29,018 --> 00:50:32,019
♪ The big fool says
to push on. ♪
846
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:35,919
NARRATOR:
Bill Zimmerman, now an assistant
professor of psychology
847
00:50:36,019 --> 00:50:38,652
at Brooklyn College,
had been against the war
848
00:50:38,752 --> 00:50:40,586
since the beginning.
849
00:50:40,686 --> 00:50:45,120
ZIMMERMAN:
Then we found when we got there
concentric defense perimeters
850
00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:48,321
that had been set up
around the Pentagon to keep us
851
00:50:48,421 --> 00:50:50,021
at a distance from the building.
852
00:50:50,121 --> 00:50:54,522
We pushed against them,
we tore down their fences.
853
00:50:54,622 --> 00:50:56,488
SEEGER:
♪ With the captain
dead and gone ♪
854
00:50:56,588 --> 00:50:58,188
♪ We stripped and dived
and found his body. ♪
855
00:50:58,288 --> 00:51:01,089
LESLIE GELB:
I was working that weekend day.
856
00:51:01,189 --> 00:51:05,456
The secretaries who were working
in my area were frightened
857
00:51:05,556 --> 00:51:10,090
to hell what these
Vietnam protesters would do.
858
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:11,524
They thought they were
going to come into the building
859
00:51:11,624 --> 00:51:12,757
and rape them.
860
00:51:12,857 --> 00:51:15,224
Some of them actually
came over the walls.
861
00:51:15,324 --> 00:51:17,258
SEEGER:
♪ The big fool said
to push on. ♪
862
00:51:17,358 --> 00:51:20,758
GELB:
It was a sense of revolution.
863
00:51:20,858 --> 00:51:21,858
(crowd yelling)
864
00:51:21,958 --> 00:51:23,792
SEEGER:
♪ Waist deep in the Big Muddy
865
00:51:23,892 --> 00:51:25,759
♪ The big fool says to push on
866
00:51:25,859 --> 00:51:28,692
♪ Waist deep in the Big Muddy
867
00:51:28,792 --> 00:51:30,827
♪ The big fool says
to push on. ♪
868
00:51:30,927 --> 00:51:35,160
ZIMMERMAN:
God knows what we were going to
do when we got in the building.
869
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:37,194
Some people, the hippies,
870
00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:39,128
said they were going
to levitate the building.
871
00:51:39,228 --> 00:51:42,594
Other people wanted to commit
vandalism in the building.
872
00:51:42,694 --> 00:51:45,062
Other people wanted to
distribute antiwar literature
873
00:51:45,162 --> 00:51:47,429
in the building, talk to people.
874
00:51:47,529 --> 00:51:50,929
Just the idea of getting
into the headquarters
875
00:51:51,029 --> 00:51:53,096
of the United States military...
876
00:51:54,896 --> 00:51:58,196
It was the first time
that antiwar demonstrators
877
00:51:58,296 --> 00:52:02,697
had confronted active-duty
military personnel.
878
00:52:02,797 --> 00:52:05,397
We didn't consider them
the enemy.
879
00:52:05,497 --> 00:52:08,965
We considered them
victims of the war.
880
00:52:09,065 --> 00:52:14,166
But we began to see our own
government as the enemy.
881
00:52:14,266 --> 00:52:18,533
NARRATOR:
President Johnson believed
that international communism
882
00:52:18,633 --> 00:52:21,134
was somehow behind
the demonstration.
883
00:52:21,234 --> 00:52:24,600
He had directed the CIA
to come up with the evidence,
884
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:28,468
and was furious
when it found none.
885
00:52:30,735 --> 00:52:31,635
DWIGHT EISENHOWER:
Mr. President?
886
00:52:31,735 --> 00:52:32,601
LYNDON JOHNSON:
Yes.
887
00:52:32,701 --> 00:52:33,601
This is
General Eisenhower.
888
00:52:33,701 --> 00:52:34,835
How've you been,
Mr. President?
889
00:52:34,935 --> 00:52:37,869
I'm doing fine
under the circumstances.
890
00:52:37,969 --> 00:52:40,602
But we just had hell,
and these college students,
891
00:52:40,702 --> 00:52:42,570
I've had Hoover in after them.
892
00:52:42,670 --> 00:52:46,103
They came marched here,
and we arrested 600 of them,
893
00:52:46,203 --> 00:52:49,303
and we gave 29 of them
pretty tough times.
894
00:52:49,403 --> 00:52:52,738
We found most of them
really were mentally diseased.
895
00:52:52,838 --> 00:52:56,905
Hoover's taken 256 that turned
in supposedly their draft cards.
896
00:52:57,005 --> 00:52:59,372
So, you're dealing
with mental problems,
897
00:52:59,472 --> 00:53:01,605
I think that we talk
too damn much
898
00:53:01,705 --> 00:53:03,905
about civil liberties
and constitutional rights
899
00:53:04,006 --> 00:53:05,473
of the individual
and not enough
900
00:53:05,573 --> 00:53:07,006
about the rights
of the masses.
901
00:53:07,106 --> 00:53:08,373
EISENHOWER:
That's why we have it.
902
00:53:08,473 --> 00:53:10,440
We have freely elected people
and we've got to
903
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:11,941
stand behind them.
904
00:53:12,041 --> 00:53:14,507
JOHNSON:
I think your government's
in trouble, General.
905
00:53:14,607 --> 00:53:16,474
I think it's in...
I don't want to say this.
906
00:53:16,574 --> 00:53:18,274
But I think we're in
more danger
907
00:53:18,374 --> 00:53:20,275
from these
left-wing influences now
908
00:53:20,375 --> 00:53:23,242
than we've ever been
in 37 years I've been here.
909
00:53:23,342 --> 00:53:26,376
And they're working
in my party from within.
910
00:53:26,476 --> 00:53:29,043
And Bobby thinks he's going
to get the nomination.
911
00:53:29,143 --> 00:53:33,377
NARRATOR:
Allard Lowenstein, a 38-year-old
attorney from New York,
912
00:53:33,477 --> 00:53:36,510
shared the antiwar fervor
of the protestors,
913
00:53:36,610 --> 00:53:38,410
but he believed
the most effective way
914
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:42,211
to end the fighting was to work
within the political system,
915
00:53:42,311 --> 00:53:44,111
not outside it.
916
00:53:44,211 --> 00:53:46,945
The answer, he said,
was to stop Lyndon Johnson
917
00:53:47,045 --> 00:53:50,612
from getting
a second full term as president.
918
00:53:50,712 --> 00:53:54,880
He had traveled the country
all year in search of someone
919
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:57,613
willing to challenge
the president in the upcoming
920
00:53:57,713 --> 00:53:59,647
Democratic primaries.
921
00:53:59,747 --> 00:54:02,948
He asked Senator Robert Kennedy
of New York,
922
00:54:03,048 --> 00:54:06,048
who had begun to criticize
the Johnson administration
923
00:54:06,148 --> 00:54:07,548
over the war.
924
00:54:07,648 --> 00:54:10,949
He asked
Lieutenant General James Gavin.
925
00:54:11,049 --> 00:54:15,015
He asked Senator George McGovern
of South Dakota.
926
00:54:15,115 --> 00:54:17,250
They all turned him down.
927
00:54:17,350 --> 00:54:20,983
Lowenstein kept looking.
928
00:54:25,984 --> 00:54:31,085
At Fort Sill, Oklahoma,
on November 17, 1967,
929
00:54:31,185 --> 00:54:34,418
friends and family
of a fallen soldier gathered
930
00:54:34,518 --> 00:54:37,985
for a funeral,
one of five military funerals
931
00:54:38,085 --> 00:54:40,486
held there that month.
932
00:54:40,586 --> 00:54:45,319
First Sergeant Pascal Cleatus
Poolaw had been killed
933
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:47,920
as he tried to drag
one of his wounded men
934
00:54:48,020 --> 00:54:52,788
off the battlefield near
the village of Loc Ninh.
935
00:54:52,888 --> 00:54:58,021
He was a remarkable soldier,
had been awarded one Silver Star
936
00:54:58,121 --> 00:55:03,589
in World War II, two more in
Korea, and was awarded a fourth,
937
00:55:03,689 --> 00:55:07,923
posthumously,
for his gallantry in Vietnam.
938
00:55:08,023 --> 00:55:11,090
He was a Kiowa Indian.
939
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:14,057
He and three of his sons
were among
940
00:55:14,157 --> 00:55:19,158
the 42,000 Native Americans
who would serve in Vietnam,
941
00:55:19,258 --> 00:55:22,959
the highest per capita
service rate of any ethnic group
942
00:55:23,059 --> 00:55:25,225
in the United States.
943
00:55:25,325 --> 00:55:30,260
Pascal Poolaw's widow spoke
at the ceremony.
944
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,993
"He has followed the trail
of the great chiefs," she said.
945
00:55:34,093 --> 00:55:39,294
"His people hold him in honor
and highest esteem.
946
00:55:39,394 --> 00:55:43,595
"He has given his life
for the people and the country
947
00:55:43,695 --> 00:55:47,862
he loved so much."
948
00:55:51,229 --> 00:55:52,496
("Somebody to Love" by
Jefferson Airplane playing)
949
00:55:52,596 --> 00:55:53,896
♪ When the truth is found
950
00:55:53,996 --> 00:55:58,030
♪ To be lies
951
00:55:58,130 --> 00:56:00,964
♪ And all the joy
952
00:56:01,064 --> 00:56:05,398
♪ Within you dies
953
00:56:05,498 --> 00:56:07,865
♪ Don't you want somebody
to love? ♪
954
00:56:07,965 --> 00:56:11,465
♪ Don't you need somebody
to love? ♪
955
00:56:11,565 --> 00:56:15,232
♪ Wouldn't you love somebody
to love? ♪
956
00:56:15,332 --> 00:56:19,700
♪ You better find somebody
to love ♪
957
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,633
♪ Love.
958
00:56:26,367 --> 00:56:29,301
MUSGRAVE:
I didn't hear the word "hippie"
until I was at Con Thien
959
00:56:29,401 --> 00:56:30,734
and we got aPlaybo y, somebody
got aPlayboy in the mail,
960
00:56:30,834 --> 00:56:33,734
which was obviously very
important to us.
961
00:56:33,834 --> 00:56:35,935
And there was an article
on Haight-Ashbury
962
00:56:36,035 --> 00:56:37,602
and pictures of the girls
running around
963
00:56:37,702 --> 00:56:39,335
without their tops,
you know, free love.
964
00:56:39,435 --> 00:56:40,835
And they were hippies.
965
00:56:40,935 --> 00:56:43,436
And we thought it was
"hip pie" cause it had two Ps.
966
00:56:43,536 --> 00:56:45,303
You know,
"Hey, I'm gonna go home
967
00:56:45,403 --> 00:56:46,736
"and be one of these hip pies
968
00:56:46,836 --> 00:56:48,336
"because the girls
don't wear no clothes.
969
00:56:48,436 --> 00:56:50,837
You know, and they'll
go to bed with anybody."
970
00:56:50,937 --> 00:56:52,204
You know, even I could score.
971
00:56:52,304 --> 00:56:56,238
But the only information I had
of the peace movement
972
00:56:56,338 --> 00:56:57,972
came fromStars and Stripes.
973
00:56:58,072 --> 00:57:01,605
And that wasn't
a real objective newspaper.
974
00:57:01,705 --> 00:57:04,039
And so I hated them
975
00:57:04,139 --> 00:57:06,039
before I ever even knew
anything about them.
976
00:57:06,139 --> 00:57:08,706
("Somebody to Love" continues)
977
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:16,440
NARRATOR:
The monsoon rains continued
to make life miserable
978
00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:19,941
for John Musgrave and
the other Marines at Con Thien.
979
00:57:20,041 --> 00:57:24,041
But by early November, the
worst of the shelling had ended.
980
00:57:24,141 --> 00:57:27,642
American airstrikes,
artillery, and Navy fire
981
00:57:27,742 --> 00:57:31,042
had taken a fearful toll
on the besieging enemy.
982
00:57:32,843 --> 00:57:38,310
Before dawn on November 7, two
companies of Musgrave's outfit
983
00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:41,144
were sent half a mile
into the countryside
984
00:57:41,244 --> 00:57:44,544
northwest of the base
to sweep the area again.
985
00:57:46,412 --> 00:57:50,045
MUSGRAVE:
We got into an area
that was old hedgerows
986
00:57:50,145 --> 00:57:52,245
that's grown over with jungle.
987
00:57:52,345 --> 00:57:54,713
Very difficult to see very far.
988
00:57:54,813 --> 00:57:57,880
In the clear area, we had three
NVA show themselves
989
00:57:57,980 --> 00:58:01,481
and start just spraying
30 rounds out of their AKs
990
00:58:01,581 --> 00:58:02,581
and then booking.
991
00:58:02,681 --> 00:58:03,881
(gunfire)
992
00:58:03,981 --> 00:58:07,847
The company commander himself
said, "I want their bodies.
993
00:58:07,947 --> 00:58:09,382
Bring me their bodies."
994
00:58:09,482 --> 00:58:12,748
Everything's about body count,
right?
995
00:58:12,848 --> 00:58:15,849
We said, "Man, this is as
old as Custer.
996
00:58:15,949 --> 00:58:18,349
"These guys are showing
themselves to draw us
997
00:58:18,449 --> 00:58:19,583
"into an ambush.
998
00:58:19,683 --> 00:58:22,216
"Lieutenant, don't do this,"
you know.
999
00:58:22,316 --> 00:58:25,917
"Please, these guys are bait."
1000
00:58:26,017 --> 00:58:28,217
Well, the skipper says,
"We got to go.
1001
00:58:28,317 --> 00:58:30,351
We got to go."
1002
00:58:30,451 --> 00:58:33,751
And... we went.
1003
00:58:34,885 --> 00:58:36,585
(gunfire)
1004
00:58:36,685 --> 00:58:39,052
And I can't tell you
a whole lot about the ambush.
1005
00:58:39,152 --> 00:58:41,186
I was one of the first people
to be shot.
1006
00:58:41,286 --> 00:58:43,086
One round put me down.
1007
00:58:43,186 --> 00:58:44,720
(gunfire)
1008
00:58:44,820 --> 00:58:48,287
And my grenadier was down, and
we were trying to get him back.
1009
00:58:48,387 --> 00:58:52,488
And Marines, from the first day
in boot camp,
1010
00:58:52,588 --> 00:58:55,088
you learn that Marines
don't leave their dead,
1011
00:58:55,188 --> 00:58:58,721
and they never,
never leave their wounded.
1012
00:59:00,155 --> 00:59:02,855
And that's why I'm alive today.
1013
00:59:02,955 --> 00:59:07,223
First guy that came for me--
I was lying on my face...
1014
00:59:07,323 --> 00:59:08,723
(gunfire)
1015
00:59:08,823 --> 00:59:11,256
he reached down and stuck his
arms under my shoulders
1016
00:59:11,356 --> 00:59:15,724
and lifted me up and the machine
gun wasn't any far,
1017
00:59:15,824 --> 00:59:21,425
was maybe nine feet, ten feet
at the most, away from me.
1018
00:59:21,525 --> 00:59:23,058
This is a very
intimate ambush.
1019
00:59:23,158 --> 00:59:24,158
It's a brawl.
1020
00:59:24,258 --> 00:59:25,658
(gunfire)
1021
00:59:25,758 --> 00:59:29,826
And he fired a burst into my
chest that blew me out
1022
00:59:29,926 --> 00:59:33,459
of the Marine's arms that was
holding me and then he was shot.
1023
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:36,027
(gunfire)
1024
00:59:36,127 --> 00:59:42,361
Another very brave young Marine,
this 18-year-old from Louisiana,
1025
00:59:42,461 --> 00:59:45,495
his first firefight,
had seen what happened
1026
00:59:45,595 --> 00:59:48,761
and still came for me.
1027
00:59:48,861 --> 00:59:53,529
And he reached for me, and he
was shot I think in the forearm.
1028
00:59:53,629 --> 00:59:56,429
And he was laying beside me.
1029
00:59:56,529 --> 00:59:58,297
Now, I've got a hole
through my chest big enough
1030
00:59:58,397 --> 00:59:59,963
to stick your fist through.
1031
01:00:00,930 --> 01:00:02,130
I'm dying and I know it.
1032
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:03,363
(gunfire)
1033
01:00:03,463 --> 01:00:06,064
And I heard this horrible
screaming going on,
1034
01:00:06,164 --> 01:00:09,831
and I was trying to figure out
who was screaming like that,
1035
01:00:09,931 --> 01:00:11,199
because it sounded so...
1036
01:00:11,299 --> 01:00:14,265
(distant gunfire)
1037
01:00:18,165 --> 01:00:19,833
And then I realized it was me.
1038
01:00:22,566 --> 01:00:25,000
When they began to drag us out,
they were being pursued
1039
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:28,901
by the North Vietnamese,
and they would drop us
1040
01:00:29,001 --> 01:00:30,667
and lay on top of us.
1041
01:00:30,767 --> 01:00:32,101
They knew... we were both dying.
1042
01:00:32,201 --> 01:00:35,535
The grenadier had been shot
in the right side of his chest.
1043
01:00:35,635 --> 01:00:37,735
They knew... we were both dead.
1044
01:00:37,835 --> 01:00:40,503
But we were still alive.
1045
01:00:40,603 --> 01:00:42,136
So, they weren't gonna leave us.
1046
01:00:42,236 --> 01:00:44,336
They would die before
they would leave us.
1047
01:00:44,436 --> 01:00:46,403
And they covered us with their
bodies and fired back
1048
01:00:46,503 --> 01:00:49,737
at the NVA and then they'd jump
up and drag us a little farther
1049
01:00:49,837 --> 01:00:52,170
and then drop us and
lay back on top of us.
1050
01:00:52,270 --> 01:00:55,138
And I kept telling them
to leave me.
1051
01:00:55,238 --> 01:00:56,871
And I meant it.
I meant it.
1052
01:00:56,971 --> 01:01:01,105
But all of a sudden I got scared
that they might really leave me.
1053
01:01:02,472 --> 01:01:03,472
(distant gunfire)
1054
01:01:03,572 --> 01:01:06,039
I was triaged three times.
1055
01:01:06,139 --> 01:01:08,972
And the senior corpsman said,
1056
01:01:09,072 --> 01:01:10,707
"He's either shot through
the heart or the lungs.
1057
01:01:10,807 --> 01:01:11,940
There's nothing
I can do for him."
1058
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,707
And he just turned away.
1059
01:01:13,807 --> 01:01:15,907
I went, "Well, okay."
1060
01:01:16,874 --> 01:01:20,541
And then, a helicopter came in.
1061
01:01:20,641 --> 01:01:22,208
And they threw me into the bird.
1062
01:01:22,308 --> 01:01:24,609
(distant helicopter blades
humming)
1063
01:01:24,709 --> 01:01:27,942
And the corpsman on the bird
straddled me, stood over me,
1064
01:01:28,042 --> 01:01:31,043
and looked down at me, and then
looked up at the door gunner
1065
01:01:31,143 --> 01:01:34,943
and went...
get me out of the way
1066
01:01:35,043 --> 01:01:36,043
because he couldn't work on me.
1067
01:01:36,143 --> 01:01:37,676
I was a dead man.
1068
01:01:37,776 --> 01:01:39,644
(muted helicopter blades
beating)
1069
01:01:39,744 --> 01:01:41,644
And they flew me
to Delta Med at Dong Ha.
1070
01:01:41,744 --> 01:01:45,778
And I thought,
"Okay, I made it this far."
1071
01:01:45,878 --> 01:01:47,512
And this doctor comes
over and looks at me
1072
01:01:47,612 --> 01:01:49,178
and I'm conscious.
1073
01:01:49,278 --> 01:01:51,512
I'm lucid.
1074
01:01:51,612 --> 01:01:53,013
And he checks
a couple of things.
1075
01:01:53,113 --> 01:01:54,313
And I've got this huge hole
in me.
1076
01:01:54,413 --> 01:01:55,879
And he looks at me
right in the eye, and he says,
1077
01:01:55,979 --> 01:01:57,746
"What's your religion, Marine?"
1078
01:01:57,846 --> 01:01:59,914
And I said,
"Well, I'm a Protestant."
1079
01:02:00,014 --> 01:02:01,080
And he says,
"Get a chaplain over here.
1080
01:02:01,180 --> 01:02:02,780
I can't help this man."
1081
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:03,780
And then he walked away.
1082
01:02:05,247 --> 01:02:10,515
Another surgeon walks by,
and he looked at me,
1083
01:02:10,615 --> 01:02:14,716
and I was raised
to always be nice to people.
1084
01:02:14,816 --> 01:02:18,616
And when he looked at me,
I smiled at him and nodded.
1085
01:02:18,716 --> 01:02:22,883
And he said, "Why isn't
somebody helping this man?"
1086
01:02:22,983 --> 01:02:24,283
And inside I'm going,
1087
01:02:24,383 --> 01:02:26,017
"Yeah, why isn't somebody
helping this man?"
1088
01:02:27,217 --> 01:02:30,151
When they put me to sleep,
I thought,
1089
01:02:30,251 --> 01:02:33,284
"Boy, this is really it,"
you know.
1090
01:02:33,384 --> 01:02:35,985
And it was kind of,
"Okay, God,
1091
01:02:36,085 --> 01:02:38,685
into your hands,
I deliver my spirit."
1092
01:02:39,885 --> 01:02:41,752
And I thought that was it.
1093
01:02:43,753 --> 01:02:45,953
And when I woke up in the
surgical intensive care ward,
1094
01:02:46,053 --> 01:02:48,453
which was a Quonset hut,
1095
01:02:48,553 --> 01:02:51,087
I thought, "Holy mackerel."
1096
01:02:51,187 --> 01:02:55,221
I just couldn't...
I couldn't believe it.
1097
01:02:58,922 --> 01:03:00,422
Yesterday over Hanoi,
1098
01:03:00,522 --> 01:03:02,288
three American planes
were shot down
1099
01:03:02,388 --> 01:03:05,023
and at least two
of their pilots captured.
1100
01:03:05,123 --> 01:03:08,656
One of them was Lieutenant
Commander John McCain III,
1101
01:03:08,756 --> 01:03:11,923
the son of the U.S. Naval
commander in Europe.
1102
01:03:13,257 --> 01:03:15,690
BAO NINH:
1103
01:03:49,462 --> 01:03:53,029
NARRATOR:
Hanoi was so pleased to have
captured the son
1104
01:03:53,129 --> 01:03:56,530
of an American admiral that they
allowed a French journalist
1105
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:59,163
to interview McCain
in the hospital.
1106
01:03:59,263 --> 01:04:03,564
He had just had his broken bones
set without even an aspirin
1107
01:04:03,664 --> 01:04:05,097
for the pain.
1108
01:04:05,197 --> 01:04:06,397
INTERVIEWER:
What is your name?
1109
01:04:06,497 --> 01:04:09,564
Lieutenant Commander
John McCain.
1110
01:04:09,664 --> 01:04:12,732
How many raids have you done
until the last one?
1111
01:04:12,832 --> 01:04:14,598
About 23.
1112
01:04:14,698 --> 01:04:19,399
In which circumstances
have you been shot down?
1113
01:04:19,499 --> 01:04:24,266
I was on a flight
over the city of Hanoi,
1114
01:04:24,366 --> 01:04:31,467
and I was bombing and I was hit
by either a missile
1115
01:04:31,567 --> 01:04:33,268
or anti-aircraft fire.
1116
01:04:33,368 --> 01:04:40,369
I'm not sure which, and the
plane continued straight down,
1117
01:04:40,469 --> 01:04:49,037
and I ejected
and broke my leg and both arms
1118
01:04:49,137 --> 01:04:55,904
and went into a lake;
parachuted into a lake.
1119
01:04:56,004 --> 01:05:00,872
And I was picked up by some
North Vietnamese
1120
01:05:00,972 --> 01:05:07,039
and taken to the hospital,
where I almost died.
1121
01:05:07,139 --> 01:05:09,406
I would just like to tell...
1122
01:05:13,773 --> 01:05:16,207
...my wife...
1123
01:05:17,007 --> 01:05:19,574
...I will get well...
1124
01:05:22,107 --> 01:05:28,842
...and I love her
and I hope to see her soon.
1125
01:05:30,343 --> 01:05:32,943
NARRATOR:
After the interview,
McCain was beaten
1126
01:05:33,043 --> 01:05:37,110
for not expressing sufficient
gratitude to his captors.
1127
01:05:43,144 --> 01:05:44,811
(soldiers conversing)
1128
01:05:44,911 --> 01:05:49,345
NARRATOR:
All through the fall of 1967,
the North Vietnamese
1129
01:05:49,445 --> 01:05:53,179
and the Viet Cong continued
their series of "Border Battles"
1130
01:05:53,279 --> 01:05:55,812
in preparation
for their surprise offensive,
1131
01:05:55,912 --> 01:05:57,846
still months away.
1132
01:05:57,946 --> 01:06:01,747
Con Thien, where John Musgrave
was wounded,
1133
01:06:01,847 --> 01:06:03,313
had been the first.
1134
01:06:03,413 --> 01:06:07,148
Then came the ARVN base
at Song Be.
1135
01:06:07,248 --> 01:06:09,714
The South Vietnamese outpost
adjacent to
1136
01:06:09,814 --> 01:06:12,948
the provincial capital
of Loc Ninh was next.
1137
01:06:13,048 --> 01:06:15,982
There, large units of
North Vietnamese
1138
01:06:16,082 --> 01:06:19,882
and Viet Cong regulars
mounted a coordinated attack,
1139
01:06:19,982 --> 01:06:23,350
and then fought for five days
to hold on to the ground
1140
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:27,316
they'd gained, something they
had never done before.
1141
01:06:27,416 --> 01:06:31,017
American commanders
were puzzled.
1142
01:06:31,117 --> 01:06:35,752
Then, in early November,
reports reached MACV
1143
01:06:35,852 --> 01:06:38,118
that five North Vietnamese
regiments
1144
01:06:38,218 --> 01:06:42,519
and a Viet Cong battalion--
some 7,000 men in all--
1145
01:06:42,619 --> 01:06:45,219
had begun massing
in the Central Highlands
1146
01:06:45,319 --> 01:06:49,987
around the U.S. Special Forces
camp at Dak To again.
1147
01:06:50,087 --> 01:06:54,720
Among the North Vietnamese
regulars was Nguyen Thanh Son,
1148
01:06:54,820 --> 01:06:58,121
who had been so eager to fight
that he too had filled
1149
01:06:58,221 --> 01:07:02,321
his pockets with rocks
to pass his physical.
1150
01:07:03,488 --> 01:07:06,222
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1151
01:07:16,456 --> 01:07:19,924
NARRATOR:
As the NVA deployed
their troops,
1152
01:07:20,024 --> 01:07:22,957
Westmoreland sent his to Dak To,
1153
01:07:23,058 --> 01:07:26,625
exactly what
the enemy wanted him to do.
1154
01:07:26,725 --> 01:07:31,958
Among the Americans were the
men of the elite 173rd Airborne,
1155
01:07:32,059 --> 01:07:35,660
Westmoreland's Fire Brigade.
1156
01:07:40,061 --> 01:07:44,261
MATT HARRISON:
We all knew in a general sense
that we wouldn't be brought back
1157
01:07:44,361 --> 01:07:47,295
if there wasn't something big
going on.
1158
01:07:47,395 --> 01:07:52,828
You just knew that the area was
crawling with North Vietnamese,
1159
01:07:52,928 --> 01:07:57,462
and that they were there
not to avoid contact with us,
1160
01:07:57,563 --> 01:08:00,296
but they were there
to have contact with us.
1161
01:08:01,696 --> 01:08:03,963
NARRATOR:
First Lieutenant
Matthew Harrison was now
1162
01:08:04,064 --> 01:08:06,830
with Alpha Company
of the 2nd Battalion,
1163
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:09,465
the same rifle company
that had been ambushed
1164
01:08:09,565 --> 01:08:14,798
and so badly shattered back in
June on the slopes of Hill 1338,
1165
01:08:14,898 --> 01:08:17,566
just 14 miles to the east.
1166
01:08:17,666 --> 01:08:21,299
HARRISON:
This wasn't like the Viet Cong
where if you could find them,
1167
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:22,666
you could kill them.
1168
01:08:22,766 --> 01:08:24,067
Our problem wasn't finding them.
1169
01:08:24,167 --> 01:08:26,400
Our problem was what to do
with them once you found them.
1170
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:31,668
NARRATOR:
The 174th NVA Regiment
was waiting.
1171
01:08:31,768 --> 01:08:35,568
Nguyen Thanh Son and his men
were already dug in
1172
01:08:35,668 --> 01:08:38,735
on the high ground they knew
the Americans would want
1173
01:08:38,835 --> 01:08:43,569
to command: Hill 875.
1174
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:45,770
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1175
01:09:04,738 --> 01:09:09,973
NARRATOR:
On Sunday morning,
November 19, 1967,
1176
01:09:10,073 --> 01:09:13,573
Alpha, Charlie, and
Delta Companies were ordered
1177
01:09:13,673 --> 01:09:16,574
to take Hill 875.
1178
01:09:16,674 --> 01:09:20,140
Matt Harrison had been wounded
in an earlier fight
1179
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,075
and was not permitted
to accompany his men.
1180
01:09:23,175 --> 01:09:27,475
He anxiously followed
their progress over the radio.
1181
01:09:27,575 --> 01:09:32,276
Heavy artillery and flights
of F-100s blasted the hillside
1182
01:09:32,376 --> 01:09:36,210
ahead of them, meant to
knock out enemy positions
1183
01:09:36,310 --> 01:09:39,510
before the paratroopers
ever got within range.
1184
01:09:41,143 --> 01:09:43,311
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1185
01:09:56,379 --> 01:09:58,780
NARRATOR:
The three companies
moved up the slope,
1186
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,313
Charlie and Delta in the lead,
1187
01:10:01,413 --> 01:10:04,613
Alpha bringing up the rear.
1188
01:10:04,713 --> 01:10:08,181
The paratroopers stepped warily
into a clearing
1189
01:10:08,281 --> 01:10:11,514
filled with fallen trees
from the morning's bombardment
1190
01:10:11,614 --> 01:10:16,415
and only a little over 300 yards
from the summit.
1191
01:10:17,182 --> 01:10:20,383
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1192
01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:31,517
(gunfire)
1193
01:10:31,617 --> 01:10:34,618
NARRATOR:
Thousands of automatic weapon
rounds ripped through the air.
1194
01:10:34,718 --> 01:10:37,785
Chinese-made grenades came
rolling and bumping
1195
01:10:37,885 --> 01:10:39,285
down the slopes.
1196
01:10:39,385 --> 01:10:43,619
The Americans sought cover where
they could behind fallen trees,
1197
01:10:43,719 --> 01:10:46,319
scrabbled at the earth
with their helmets,
1198
01:10:46,419 --> 01:10:48,620
trying to dig fighting holes.
1199
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,453
(gunfire)
1200
01:10:51,553 --> 01:10:52,920
(soldiers yelling)
1201
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:55,320
(rapid gunfire)
1202
01:10:55,420 --> 01:10:58,321
Charlie and Delta companies
were pinned down
1203
01:10:58,421 --> 01:11:01,321
and being torn to pieces.
1204
01:11:01,421 --> 01:11:02,654
(gunfire)
1205
01:11:02,754 --> 01:11:04,589
Meanwhile,
near the foot of the hill,
1206
01:11:04,689 --> 01:11:07,789
other North Vietnamese troops
surprised Alpha Company
1207
01:11:07,889 --> 01:11:09,222
from behind.
1208
01:11:09,322 --> 01:11:12,390
They were first spotted
moving up through the trees
1209
01:11:12,490 --> 01:11:16,190
by a private from the Bronx
named Carlos Lozada.
1210
01:11:16,290 --> 01:11:19,457
As the men of his
company scrambled up the slope,
1211
01:11:19,557 --> 01:11:21,357
dragging their wounded
with them,
1212
01:11:21,457 --> 01:11:24,024
Lozada provided
what cover he could,
1213
01:11:24,124 --> 01:11:26,892
firing his M-60 machine gun
from his hip--
1214
01:11:26,992 --> 01:11:29,725
before a bullet
hit him in the head.
1215
01:11:31,092 --> 01:11:35,926
He would be awarded
a posthumous Medal of Honor.
1216
01:11:36,026 --> 01:11:39,927
Back home, the battle led
the nightly news.
1217
01:11:40,027 --> 01:11:41,627
(helicopter humming)
1218
01:11:41,727 --> 01:11:44,627
WALTER CRONKITE:
The Battle of Dak To is now on
its 19th day,
1219
01:11:44,727 --> 01:11:47,028
and already ranks
among the bloodiest campaigns
1220
01:11:47,128 --> 01:11:48,561
of the Vietnam War.
1221
01:11:48,661 --> 01:11:50,295
There's no sign yet
of any let-up.
1222
01:11:50,395 --> 01:11:51,928
Over the weekend,
three companies
1223
01:11:52,028 --> 01:11:56,029
of the 173rd Airborne Brigade
moved down this river valley,
1224
01:11:56,129 --> 01:11:59,029
up which North Vietnamese
normally infiltrate,
1225
01:11:59,129 --> 01:12:02,197
until they got down here
by Hill 875.
1226
01:12:02,297 --> 01:12:04,630
Then, they came under heavy fire
from the hill.
1227
01:12:04,730 --> 01:12:06,830
Two of the three companies
charged the hill,
1228
01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:08,798
the other stayed back
as a rear guard.
1229
01:12:08,898 --> 01:12:10,231
They found a...
1230
01:12:10,331 --> 01:12:13,464
HARRISON:
By early afternoon,
the three companies
1231
01:12:13,564 --> 01:12:15,832
had basically been decapitated.
1232
01:12:15,932 --> 01:12:17,732
The company commanders
were dead;
1233
01:12:17,832 --> 01:12:20,899
most of the officers and
most of the NCOs were dead.
1234
01:12:20,999 --> 01:12:22,700
(soldiers yelling)
1235
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,500
NARRATOR:
The survivors from all three
companies clustered
1236
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,300
in the clearing
and did their best to set up
1237
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,067
a defensive circle.
1238
01:12:30,167 --> 01:12:34,801
American bombs and napalm
pounded enemy positions
1239
01:12:34,901 --> 01:12:38,402
until it grew
almost too dark to see.
1240
01:12:39,368 --> 01:12:41,268
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1241
01:13:06,672 --> 01:13:11,506
NARRATOR:
Then, another American plane
roared in and dropped two bombs.
1242
01:13:11,606 --> 01:13:14,607
One landed among
the hidden enemy troops.
1243
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,408
The other fell directly
on the Americans.
1244
01:13:20,508 --> 01:13:25,308
In a fraction of a second,
42 were killed.
1245
01:13:25,408 --> 01:13:29,342
A badly hit lieutenant managed
to find a working radio.
1246
01:13:29,442 --> 01:13:32,875
"No more fucking planes,"
he shouted into it.
1247
01:13:32,975 --> 01:13:35,710
"You're killingus up here."
1248
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:37,176
(explosion)
1249
01:13:37,276 --> 01:13:39,543
The fighting
on the hillside continued.
1250
01:13:39,643 --> 01:13:44,077
The men ran out of water,
began to run out of ammunition.
1251
01:13:44,177 --> 01:13:48,911
Helicopters that tried to ferry
in supplies were shot down.
1252
01:13:50,278 --> 01:13:57,379
The following day, Matt Harrison
was able to chopper in.
1253
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,079
HARRISON:
It was chaos.
1254
01:13:59,179 --> 01:14:01,979
It was collections of guys
who had who had tunneled
1255
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:04,280
and dug down behind trees.
1256
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:07,814
These were guys who had gone
without water in that heat
1257
01:14:07,914 --> 01:14:09,414
for two days.
1258
01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:13,515
And almost every one of them
was wounded.
1259
01:14:13,615 --> 01:14:17,648
And then all around were bodies,
1260
01:14:17,748 --> 01:14:22,049
guys who had been shot
and blown up.
1261
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:23,782
It was the third circle of hell.
1262
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:31,017
NARRATOR:
On November 23, two fresh
battalions of the 173rd
1263
01:14:31,117 --> 01:14:33,651
finally made it
to the top of the hill,
1264
01:14:33,751 --> 01:14:36,584
for which so many had died.
1265
01:14:36,684 --> 01:14:38,451
But the night before,
1266
01:14:38,551 --> 01:14:41,452
the surviving North Vietnamese
troops had slipped down
1267
01:14:41,552 --> 01:14:47,786
the other side and disappeared
into Cambodia and Laos.
1268
01:14:47,886 --> 01:14:50,520
The powers that be
decided it would be important
1269
01:14:50,620 --> 01:14:55,087
to our morale for us to be in on
the taking the top of the hill.
1270
01:14:55,187 --> 01:15:00,421
I had 26 guys left out of a
company that started out of 140,
1271
01:15:00,521 --> 01:15:03,188
and all 26 had been wounded.
1272
01:15:03,288 --> 01:15:07,588
NARRATOR:
Then Harrison and his exhausted
men were helicoptered
1273
01:15:07,688 --> 01:15:09,456
to the top of yet another hill.
1274
01:15:09,556 --> 01:15:11,256
(helicopter blades whirring)
1275
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:17,424
It was Thanksgiving.
1276
01:15:17,524 --> 01:15:20,790
Chinook helicopters clattered
down out of the sky,
1277
01:15:20,890 --> 01:15:24,525
carrying huge containers of
hot turkey and mashed potatoes
1278
01:15:24,625 --> 01:15:29,125
and cranberry sauce so that
the 173rd could have
1279
01:15:29,225 --> 01:15:31,159
their Thanksgiving dinner.
1280
01:15:31,259 --> 01:15:33,826
If there are any more remote
or dangerous spots
1281
01:15:33,926 --> 01:15:35,892
to spend Thanksgiving Day
in Vietnam than this one,
1282
01:15:35,992 --> 01:15:38,127
then most of these men
have never seen them.
1283
01:15:38,227 --> 01:15:41,627
HARRISON:
There was a TV cameraman
and reporter off to the side
1284
01:15:41,727 --> 01:15:43,327
using us as a backdrop.
1285
01:15:43,427 --> 01:15:46,128
And I remember hearing
the reporter intone,
1286
01:15:46,228 --> 01:15:49,294
"Today is November 23,
Thanksgiving Day,"
1287
01:15:49,394 --> 01:15:53,162
and I was really angry.
1288
01:15:53,262 --> 01:15:57,162
It's as though
we were entertainers.
1289
01:15:58,662 --> 01:16:04,463
NARRATOR:
107 Americans had died
taking Hill 875;
1290
01:16:04,563 --> 01:16:07,431
another 282 were wounded.
1291
01:16:07,531 --> 01:16:09,264
Ten more were missing.
1292
01:16:09,364 --> 01:16:13,197
The number of North Vietnamese
casualties is unknown,
1293
01:16:13,297 --> 01:16:17,265
but their losses are thought
to have been staggering.
1294
01:16:18,832 --> 01:16:23,199
Back in June, Matt Harrison had
lost two West Point classmates
1295
01:16:23,299 --> 01:16:25,933
on Hill 1338.
1296
01:16:26,033 --> 01:16:29,067
He lost two more on Hill 875.
1297
01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:32,800
Of the eight with whom he had
served in the 2nd Battalion,
1298
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:37,201
four were now dead
and two had been wounded.
1299
01:16:39,768 --> 01:16:43,236
HARRISON:
To take tops of mountains
in a triple canopy jungle
1300
01:16:43,336 --> 01:16:46,469
along the Cambodian-Laotian
border accomplished nothing
1301
01:16:46,569 --> 01:16:48,736
of any importance.
1302
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:55,037
The Battle for Hill 875 was,
in my thinking today,
1303
01:16:55,137 --> 01:16:58,504
a microcosm of what we were
doing and what went wrong
1304
01:16:58,604 --> 01:17:00,038
in Vietnam.
1305
01:17:00,138 --> 01:17:03,871
There was no reason to take
that hill.
1306
01:17:03,971 --> 01:17:07,672
We literally got to the top
of the hill
1307
01:17:07,772 --> 01:17:14,540
about mid-day on November 23
and sat there for,
1308
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,473
I don't know,
half an hour, an hour,
1309
01:17:16,573 --> 01:17:20,541
just kind of gathering ourselves
and everything together.
1310
01:17:20,641 --> 01:17:23,907
Chinooks came in,
took us off the hill.
1311
01:17:24,007 --> 01:17:27,875
And I doubt that there's been
an American on Hill 875
1312
01:17:27,975 --> 01:17:30,042
since November 23.
1313
01:17:30,142 --> 01:17:32,408
We accomplished nothing.
1314
01:17:32,508 --> 01:17:36,043
WILLIAM WESTMORELAND:
A new phase is now starting.
1315
01:17:36,143 --> 01:17:39,076
We have reached an important
point when the end
1316
01:17:39,176 --> 01:17:41,444
begins to come into view.
1317
01:17:43,144 --> 01:17:46,710
NARRATOR:
As Matt Harrison and his men
fought for Hill 875,
1318
01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:49,445
the Johnson administration
was in the midst
1319
01:17:49,545 --> 01:17:51,345
of a "Success Offensive,"
1320
01:17:51,445 --> 01:17:56,312
a PR campaign aimed at
shoring up support for the war
1321
01:17:56,412 --> 01:17:58,912
and the way it was being waged.
1322
01:17:59,012 --> 01:18:03,313
MACV released a new and
surprisingly low estimate
1323
01:18:03,413 --> 01:18:07,347
of enemy forces to show how much
damage the United States
1324
01:18:07,447 --> 01:18:08,813
had done to them.
1325
01:18:08,913 --> 01:18:13,281
It was only two-thirds of the
total suggested by the CIA,
1326
01:18:13,381 --> 01:18:15,814
because, after a bitter
and prolonged debate
1327
01:18:15,914 --> 01:18:18,782
behind the scenes,
Westmoreland had chosen
1328
01:18:18,882 --> 01:18:21,949
to exclude from it
the part-time guerrillas--
1329
01:18:22,049 --> 01:18:26,083
farmers, old men, women,
even children--
1330
01:18:26,183 --> 01:18:29,916
who helped place the mines,
grenades, and booby traps
1331
01:18:30,016 --> 01:18:32,084
that accounted
for more than a third
1332
01:18:32,184 --> 01:18:34,717
of all American casualties.
1333
01:18:34,817 --> 01:18:37,851
General Westmoreland
also told the press
1334
01:18:37,951 --> 01:18:41,485
that the impressive body counts
his commanders reported
1335
01:18:41,585 --> 01:18:44,185
were "very, very conservative."
1336
01:18:44,285 --> 01:18:46,753
It probably represented,
he said,
1337
01:18:46,853 --> 01:18:51,419
"50 percent or even less of the
enemy that has been killed."
1338
01:18:51,519 --> 01:18:55,220
Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker
joined the chorus,
1339
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,020
using a metaphor first used
13 years earlier
1340
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,655
by the French commander
in Vietnam,
1341
01:19:01,755 --> 01:19:06,321
not long before their great
defeat at Dien Bien Phu.
1342
01:19:06,421 --> 01:19:09,656
And I think we're now
beginning to see light
1343
01:19:09,756 --> 01:19:11,122
at the end
of the tunnel.
1344
01:19:11,222 --> 01:19:14,356
Mr. Ambassador, you talk about
light at the end of the tunnel.
1345
01:19:14,456 --> 01:19:15,990
How long is this tunnel?
1346
01:19:16,090 --> 01:19:18,657
Well, I don't think that
you can put it
1347
01:19:18,757 --> 01:19:24,558
into any particular timeframe,
a situation like this.
1348
01:19:26,091 --> 01:19:30,425
NARRATOR:
LBJ's Success Offensive
succeeded.
1349
01:19:30,525 --> 01:19:33,859
The number of Americans
who believed the United States
1350
01:19:33,959 --> 01:19:38,626
was making real progress
in the war grew.
1351
01:19:38,726 --> 01:19:42,060
Secretary of Defense
Robert McNamara
1352
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,227
did not take part in
the public relations campaign.
1353
01:19:46,327 --> 01:19:49,961
He had become so disillusioned
with the war he'd done so much
1354
01:19:50,061 --> 01:19:52,562
to plan and prosecute
that he wrote
1355
01:19:52,662 --> 01:19:54,995
another secret memo
to the president,
1356
01:19:55,095 --> 01:19:59,029
advising Johnson to freeze
American troop levels,
1357
01:19:59,129 --> 01:20:02,763
turn over ground operations
to the South Vietnamese,
1358
01:20:02,863 --> 01:20:05,263
and halt the bombing
of North Vietnam
1359
01:20:05,363 --> 01:20:08,364
"in order to bring about
negotiations."
1360
01:20:08,464 --> 01:20:12,097
There was no reason to believe,
McNamara wrote,
1361
01:20:12,197 --> 01:20:15,898
that the prolonged "infliction
of grievous casualties,
1362
01:20:15,998 --> 01:20:18,665
"or the heavy punishment
of air bombardment,
1363
01:20:18,765 --> 01:20:21,732
"will suffice to break the will
of the North Vietnamese
1364
01:20:21,832 --> 01:20:23,266
"and Viet Cong.
1365
01:20:23,366 --> 01:20:26,499
"The continuation of our
present course of action
1366
01:20:26,599 --> 01:20:31,467
"in Southeast Asia would be
dangerous, costly in lives,
1367
01:20:31,567 --> 01:20:34,801
and unsatisfactory
to the American people."
1368
01:20:34,901 --> 01:20:38,101
Johnson never responded.
1369
01:20:38,201 --> 01:20:41,234
Instead, he arranged
for McNamara to become
1370
01:20:41,334 --> 01:20:44,269
the president of the World Bank.
1371
01:20:44,369 --> 01:20:48,202
McNamara would keep silent
about the doubts he had harbored
1372
01:20:48,302 --> 01:20:50,403
since the beginning
of the ground war
1373
01:20:50,503 --> 01:20:54,003
for the next 28 years.
1374
01:20:54,103 --> 01:20:57,104
His successor as
defense secretary would be
1375
01:20:57,204 --> 01:20:58,437
Clark Clifford,
1376
01:20:58,537 --> 01:21:02,104
a prominent Washington lawyer
and trusted counselor
1377
01:21:02,204 --> 01:21:05,672
to Democratic presidents,
whom Johnson was sure would be
1378
01:21:05,772 --> 01:21:07,505
supportive of the war.
1379
01:21:07,605 --> 01:21:09,672
Students of Harvard...
1380
01:21:09,772 --> 01:21:13,073
NARRATOR:
Meanwhile, Allard Lowenstein's
yearlong search
1381
01:21:13,173 --> 01:21:15,606
for a Democratic challenger
to the president
1382
01:21:15,706 --> 01:21:17,739
had finally succeeded.
1383
01:21:17,839 --> 01:21:23,807
On November 30, 1967, Minnesota
senator Eugene McCarthy
1384
01:21:23,907 --> 01:21:25,775
announced that he would run.
1385
01:21:25,875 --> 01:21:28,508
This is an issue
which has to be taken
1386
01:21:28,608 --> 01:21:32,041
to the people of the country
in the campaign of 1968.
1387
01:21:32,141 --> 01:21:33,176
(crowd cheers)
1388
01:21:35,242 --> 01:21:38,242
NARRATOR:
By the end of 1967,
1389
01:21:38,342 --> 01:21:43,810
20,057 Americans
had died in Vietnam.
1390
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:47,178
The time had come,
General Westmoreland said,
1391
01:21:47,278 --> 01:21:51,144
for an "all-out offensive
on all fronts."
1392
01:21:54,779 --> 01:21:58,412
But the enemy was just a month
away from launching
1393
01:21:58,512 --> 01:22:01,545
an all-out offensive
of its own.
1394
01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:04,880
("Paint in Black"
by the Rolling Stones playing)
1395
01:22:16,648 --> 01:22:22,548
♪ I see a red door
and I want it painted black ♪
1396
01:22:22,648 --> 01:22:28,549
♪ No colors anymore,
I want them to turn black ♪
1397
01:22:28,649 --> 01:22:30,850
♪ I see the girls walk by
1398
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:34,650
♪ Dressed in
their summer clothes ♪
1399
01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:40,851
♪ I have to turn my head
until my darkness goes ♪
1400
01:22:40,951 --> 01:22:46,652
♪ I see a line of cars
and they're all painted black ♪
1401
01:22:46,752 --> 01:22:52,653
♪ With flowers and my love,
both never to come back ♪
1402
01:22:52,753 --> 01:22:58,720
♪ I see people turn their heads
and quickly look away ♪
1403
01:22:58,820 --> 01:23:04,888
♪ Like a newborn baby,
it just happens every day ♪
1404
01:23:04,988 --> 01:23:10,889
♪ I look inside myself
and see my heart is black ♪
1405
01:23:10,989 --> 01:23:16,890
♪ I see my red door and
must have it painted black ♪
1406
01:23:16,990 --> 01:23:22,924
♪ Maybe then I'll fade away
and not have to face the facts ♪
1407
01:23:23,024 --> 01:23:29,125
♪ It's not easy facing up
when your whole world is black ♪
1408
01:23:29,225 --> 01:23:35,358
♪ No more will my green sea
go turn a deeper blue ♪
1409
01:23:35,458 --> 01:23:41,593
♪ I could not foresee
this thing happening to you ♪
1410
01:23:41,693 --> 01:23:47,494
♪ If I look hard enough
into the setting sun ♪
1411
01:23:47,594 --> 01:23:53,561
♪ My love will laugh with me
before the morning comes ♪
1412
01:23:53,661 --> 01:23:59,629
♪ I see a red door
and I want it painted black ♪
1413
01:23:59,729 --> 01:24:05,663
♪ No colors anymore,
I want them to turn black ♪
1414
01:24:05,763 --> 01:24:07,797
♪ I see the girls walk by
1415
01:24:07,897 --> 01:24:11,730
♪ Dressed in
their summer clothes ♪
1416
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:17,831
♪ I have to turn my head
until my darkness goes ♪
1417
01:24:17,931 --> 01:24:22,665
(humming)
1418
01:24:22,765 --> 01:24:24,132
♪ I wanna see it painted
1419
01:24:24,232 --> 01:24:27,933
♪ Painted, painted,
painted black ♪
1420
01:24:28,033 --> 01:24:29,933
♪ Yeah.
1421
01:24:30,033 --> 01:24:54,236
(humming)
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