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David Hockney is Britain's most popular contemporary artist
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and I think it's fair to say he's held in equal esteem throughout the globe.
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Over the past five years,
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he's staged two exhibitions here at the Royal Academy of Arts in London,
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which look set to draw in excess of three-quarters of a million visitors.
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The first in 2012, called "A Bigger Picture",
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focused on the landscape of Hockney's native Yorkshire
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and the second, "82 Portraits and One Still-life",
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shows an artist approaching his ninth decade
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but still full of energy, curiosity and a desire to see the world afresh.
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David Hockney is one of several artists
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who emerged in Britain after the Second World War,
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who took British art back up, I suppose, to a very high level,
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a level which it had been in the early 19th century with Turner and Constable.
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But after the Second World war with the advent of Francis Bacon, Lucian Freud,
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Frank Auerbach, David, some others,
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it went back to that very high level
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and also they collectively did something
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which, according to some art critics and historians,
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wasn't supposed to happen,
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which is that they put figurative art back centre-stage.
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I think David Hockney is a quintessential British artist
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and he's one of the great British artists
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because he's got these very British attitudes to painting,
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that he paints what he sees.
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He calls it eyeballing. He likes to eyeball a person or a landscape.
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And he's very interested in the history of art himself.
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He's very interested in theories of art.
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And he's very aware of photography
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and he's speculated on the connections and the differences
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between painting and photography.
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How does a painting resemble a photograph,
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or how is it different from a photograph?
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And the conclusions he seems to have come to at the moment
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is that painting and drawing, it's about hand, heart and mind.
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It's about looking and seeing and also feeling
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and bringing all that together in a way that you can only do
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by making a painting or a drawing,
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that you can't do if you just click a camera.
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There's that kind of simple honesty and bravery
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and actually an experimental quality
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that is to do with the nature of looking,
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all of which keeps his art fresh and keeps it good and important.
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The Royal Academy has a special relationship with David Hockney.
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He was elected a Royal Academician in 1991
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and has exhibited his work here regularly ever since.
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Edith Devaney is one of the senior curators of the academy
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who's worked with Hockney over many years
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and has overseen both these major exhibitions here.
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In my role as contemporary curator,
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I am working a lot with living artists,
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and that's a very particular role in itself.
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The ability to keep in touch with artists you've worked with in the past,
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to get to know new artists, to see what's happening,
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is absolutely critical.
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There's also that thing that's very hard to define,
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and it's looking for the right moment for things.
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David's shows came about a little bit like that,
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but it was also because I knew him quite well,
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and I worked with him on a big work for that year's Summer Exhibition in 2007,
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where he wanted to take up one of the end walls,
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and that was all to do with landscape.
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Of course, by that stage he'd returned to Yorkshire
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and he was doing quite a considerable number of works
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focused on the Yorkshire landscape.
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And having the conversations with him around the production of that landscape
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made me think, "There's something more here."
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"There's something that he hasn't completely tapped into."
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"I think his instinct is to explore this whole genre more,
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and there's more to come."
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When I put it to him that actually we could do this show
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filling the main galleries just of Yorkshire landscapes,
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he loved the challenge and it took him about 12 hours to agree to it.
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He was surprised and completely delighted
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and it became this wonderful journey that we went on together.
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David, the exhibition seems set up as a kind of journey
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through your engagement with landscape painting.
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Do you remember the circumstances
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in which you painted those two very early ones in Bradford?
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A little bit.
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One reason, I pointed out they're the darkest paintings in here,
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because they were done with cheap paint.
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Very cheap flake white and it goes dark.
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I was at the art school in Bradford
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and they were painted out en plein air.
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I did paint a few pictures of Bradford streets,
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but in those days
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you were always kind of trying to avoid LS Lowry a little bit.
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They seem quite oppressive.
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I'm fascinated that you said it's to do with the cheap paint,
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but did you feel at that stage
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that Yorkshire and West Yorkshire and Bradford were quite gloomy places?
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Well, I did think that, yes.
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I mean, I pointed out, you know...
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I love the cinema
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and I'd always noticed the strong shadows in California in films
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and you don't get those in Bradford.
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Yeah, I mean, I knew there was a big wide world somewhere else
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and frankly I was going to go there and look at it. Yeah, I was.
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So you travelled, and again in the exhibition
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we see the earliest results of your travels.
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There's an extraordinary painting which is called The Flight to Italy,
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but it's also subtitled A Swiss Landscape.
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What was that? Was that your grand tour?
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Well, it was, I think, only the second time I'd been on the continent
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and someone offered me and my American friend a lift to Bern in Switzerland
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in the back of a minivan.
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Well, if you haven't much money you take this, of course, and don't mind.
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But of course I couldn't see anything
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and I thought it was quite amusing
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driving through the very spectacular Alps.
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I didn't really see them for the first time,
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but you could make a painting of it somehow.
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The style of that painting is... In some ways, it's highly original
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and in other ways one can refer to what was happening
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in British and international art at the beginning of the '60s.
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I think Marco Livingstone in the catalogue
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says there's a nice nod to Harold Cohen in the abstract lines.
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Yeah. I mean, remember this was a time
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when abstract painting was dominant, very, very dominant,
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and any kind of representational painting
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was seen as a little bit reactionary or something.
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But I always thought that was a bit of a mad view of things, I did.
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So you slightly could mock it a little bit.
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Was landscape fundamentally a taboo subject?
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Were you conscious of it being a taboo subject then?
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Yes, it was, when I look back.
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And in a way I didn't have too much interest in it
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until I went... in a way, perhaps Egypt,
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when I went to Egypt, which was 1963.
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It was the first place I'd been ever, and I just drew it.
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I didn't take a camera or anything, I just took pencils and paper.
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And then not long afterwards I went to California
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where also I reacted to the place I was.
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I actually began painting Los Angeles.
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I'd never really painted London.
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I mean, I do react to the places... I react to the spaces I'm in as well.
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From then on, that was the '60s, I keep going back to landscape.
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I keep going back to portraits as well.
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There's a very moving room.
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It's explained, it's connected with the fact
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that a very close friend of yours and collector Jonathan Silver was ill,
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terminally as it turned out,
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and he'd often encouraged you to paint Yorkshire and you never had,
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but then you produced these six works. How did they come about?
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Well, I mean, he was quite... a very dynamic person, Jonathan.
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I mean, an unusual person.
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When he told me he'd got that mill...
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I knew the mill, I knew it from childhood when it was busy.
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This is Salts Mill.
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He was saying, "I've taken this mill, nobody knows what to do with it,
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and I'd like to show..."
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He owned some of my pictures, prints and things.
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And he kept saying, "Well, isn't there a good subject here?"
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"You know, can't you see it now if you've been in California a long time?"
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He did make me think about it.
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And it was only when he was ill
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that I began to stay here, for not longer than a week really.
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And I kept driving from Bridlington to Wetherby
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and it was then, as I was driving through the landscape,
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I began to see it like my Wagner drives in California and so I thought...
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Garrowby Hill became a very good thing
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as you suddenly drop 800 feet from the Wolds to the plain of York
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and I realised, "This is a good subject as well, the curling road and things."
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But then I realised Jonathan wasn't going to get better.
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It was rather a tragic thing,
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so I said I'd paint Saltaire for him.
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I mean, normally Saltaire wouldn't have interested me pictorially.
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I mean, architecture's not a terrific interest of mine to paint really.
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But I thought, well, for Jonathan I would,
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and it meant something to him.
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That was the first time I'd stayed in England
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for 20 years or more probably for more than two weeks.
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My mother died in 1999. She was 99.
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And I began to...
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Then my sister was in the house,
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so I kept staying and then I'd go back to LA.
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But then a friend of mine died in LA that was someone very, very close.
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I spent most of my evenings with him.
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And I just suddenly thought, "Well, I'll go back to England for a while."
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"I don't know what to do here."
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And I did and I went up to Yorkshire just to be quiet,
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thinking it would be quieter staying with my sister.
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Then I simply began to drive around looking at the landscape
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and realised it's very special, the landscape. It's lovely actually.
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And I began by just...
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I thought, "Well, maybe I'll just go out and sit and look at it,
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and find a way to make marks, find a language for it,"
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which I did for three months.
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Then after that I probably went back to LA
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and then I came back and did it in oil paints.
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Then I began to see... you want to make them a bit bigger.
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There's a beautiful balance here, but three pathways...
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That's an obvious composition. When you look in the landscape,
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are you looking consciously for balanced composition?
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Not...
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Not necessarily, because when you're using canvases like this and you begin,
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the edges become less important.
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The bigger the painting, the less important the edge becomes.
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Also in the films,
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in a way, because you've put so much in the middle,
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the edge becomes less important.
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And here, because you're being more intense, the outer edge is...
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It is still important in this
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but when you get very big it becomes less and less important.
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I suppose the edge also... When you say the edge becomes less important,
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it's also about the conveying of a much bigger picture,
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so it's about the almost endless space, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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When you're taking things outside,
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then you start having problems if they get bigger.
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Wind, rain and things, you know.
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And landscapes seem big to me,
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so I wanted to make them bigger still.
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And the reason that we devised this method was it was the only method...
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There was this limit to the size of the canvas
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I could get in the studio in Bridlington because of the stairs...
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You know, if you didn't want to restretch it, so there's a limit.
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So I thought, "Well, if you just put two or three together,
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you've got a bigger canvas, so you can do it like that."
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You have to keep a lot in your head, of course,
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but it was an exciting thing to be doing, I thought.
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Then I did move into a very large studio in Bridlington.
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We were actually just looking for a storage space at first,
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but we found a place five minutes from the house
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that was marvellously enormous, I mean, really big,
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and I realised there was this marvellous even light
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over this massive room.
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Do you try almost always to paint using daylight
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so you're replicating the experience of being outside?
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Yeah. I prefer the daylight.
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I'm a day person, me. I'm not a night person.
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I go to bed quite early.
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I get up early because I like the light.
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And in May and June in Britain
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I will be up at six because the light is superb then,
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because you're on the east coast.
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Most people never see the Wolds lit wonderfully
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and the best time is, say, May and June about six in the morning.
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What are the fundamental differences
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between oil paintings that you realise in the studio
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and the watercolours and oil paintings that you realise en plein air, in situ?
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Well, I mean, the ones en plein air
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are based on you observing and reacting to basically what's in front of you.
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As I said, I felt I needed to do that for a while,
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to look hard at it and devise methods for dealing with it,
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mark-making and so on.
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Whereas in the big studio you start then using different aspects of this.
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I would use memory, for instance.
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Once I got in the big studio and I was planning bigger pictures,
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I would often go out with a chair
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and pick places and sit and look,
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knowing you're going back to work from the memory you are dealing with now,
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and then start asking questions:
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"What do I see first?"
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"Does the bark of the tree dominate me? Does that attract my eye?"
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Because there's so much to look at really.
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I think Bonnard said he couldn't paint outside because it was too confusing.
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I know what he means in a way. There is... You've to edit it.
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- Visual distraction everywhere. - Yeah. Painting is editing it.
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And there came a time
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when I virtually stopped going out to draw and paint there
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and I was doing it in the studio.
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Does this work, does the oil painting feel like the culmination
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or is it just as much a part of the process and part of the work
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as the individual prints are?
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Well, I mean, I think the prints actually influence this painting,
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meaning the marks now are a bit different from there
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because the iPad has intervened.
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The marks being made here I began to use in there.
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But the marks are very visible in these, meaning it's like painting.
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I'm deliberately aware to leave the marks behind.
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And I'd always then planned a very big painting
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and this is big enough for the wall.
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So, in a way, you could say this work is site-specific.
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It's site-specific to the landscape
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but it's specific also in your mind to this space.
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Yeah, this was made for this room. Everything in here was...
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Nothing else was made for the room but this was. Everything in here...
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And as I say we'd built a replica and so I knew what it would be like.
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If you want to depict something that's an action in nature, which spring is...
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The winter isn't necessarily an action.
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Winter is there for two months, it doesn't change much.
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Spring and autumn are actions, in a way,
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events happen and it changes things.
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So I became aware I wanted to deal with this,
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so when the Royal Academy asked me, for instance...
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I think they first suggested the exhibition would be in January 2011
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and I thought about it
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and I suggested, "No, January 2012 would be better,
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because I need so many springs."
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I think four, I said.
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"And I wish to observe them more carefully
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to deal with how to do one, you see."
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Did you see that from the beginning
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as a single work, a single installation?
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Not quite from the beginning but soon after.
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The thing was they had some snow,
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so I go out to draw the snow in the car
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and on an iPad because I'm just in a car.
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And I did two or three, the first two or three,
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and we printed them that size and I pinned them up
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and then I kept looking at them and thinking,
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"My God, you could use an iPad, you could do it."
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"It's a very good technique."
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"I could develop these techniques to show the changes in the road."
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So it was only about mid-January, about one year ago now,
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that I then realised, yes, the whole room could be this.
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I worked out how many approximately,
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and then realised, well, if I begin now...
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Originally I was going to begin in April when the activity really begins,
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but then I realised, put the winter there first
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so you understand how big the change is,
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and because it's gradual, you know, most people don't notice.
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You have to be looking carefully to follow it.
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It's a very good job to observe the arrival of spring.
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Most people don't have it as a job, do they, professionally?
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But if you do, it's a very wonderful experience actually, doing it.
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What does an iPad give you
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that working, say, in watercolour or using a sketchbook doesn't?
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Well, it's a new medium so there's gains and losses.
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It is a new medium. But the great gain is speed.
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You've got all the colour, textures, all there in your hands.
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So any draughtsman is interested in speed.
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It means speed of drawing.
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Sometimes drawing fast, you draw...
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You know, you're aware that Rembrandt drew fast.
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And you're aware that often drawing fast
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you might sacrifice accuracy, but you gain something else.
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What you miss... What do you miss?
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You miss resistance which paper has.
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Here it is incredibly smooth.
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In a way you're drawing on glass, I suppose.
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But the range of marks you can make is enormous.
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But I had become aware that I'd done maybe 300 drawings,
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but you could only see them one by one on an iPad.
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And then I realised, to see them all,
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you've got to just have a traditional exhibition.
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How will you see 30 and compare them?
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I thought that was amusing.
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I thought, "Well, yes, how do you exhibit these things?"
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Hockney's Yorkshire landscapes are very varied, I think.
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They're varied in quality.
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They're very varied in what they're trying to do.
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They're a kind of experiment in making art.
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It was a strange and brave thing for Hockney
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who had made his home so successfully in the United States
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to return to Yorkshire, to return to the landscapes of his youth.
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John Constable said that he painted the landscapes of his youth.
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Hockney's made a life not painting the landscapes of his youth,
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but painting other landscapes, other places.
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He goes back to Yorkshire
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and also goes back to an impressionist 19th-century way of painting,
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the way that Constable painted, that Monet painted.
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In other words, standing in the open air
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trying to paint the motif in nature directly from observation.
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And the exhibition that eventually resulted,
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this huge exhibition at the Royal Academy,
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it was a fascinating exhibition,
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in which David Hockney explored the idea
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that you can still paint nature and paint from nature and paint landscapes
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in the way that Monet painted them or Constable painted them,
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that you can still do that today
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and it still be an important and moving art.
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I think it was a partial success in those terms,
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but it was a total success as an experiment
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and as an example of an artist who doesn't rest on his laurels.
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Is your approach to technology
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that you explore the technology and see what you can do with it
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or does technology somehow feed into what you're actually doing anyway?
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Essentially I'm only really interested
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in the technology of picture-making, actually.
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I'm not a technophobe, but I'm not particularly a technophile.
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But I am interested in anything that helps make pictures.
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Therefore photography is one.
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The computer quite early on.
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Photoshop. I went to the launch of Photoshop in 1989.
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They invited me there because of the Pearblossom Highway picture they'd seen
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and it was up in Silicon Valley.
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I went up with my assistant
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and I straight away saw what Photoshop was, was drawing.
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It was drawing
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and it was the end of chemical photography,
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because you needed the digital photography to do it.
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And I said this as we drove back to LA,
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and actually it was about ten years later.
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Eventually, chemical photography has ended now, hasn't it?
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It will now be a small craft.
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But is your painting, in some senses...
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attack maybe is too strong a word,
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but a challenge to the tyranny of photography,
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because so much of the world is mediated through photography?
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The tyranny of the one lens. I think, yes, it is.
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I mean, just as the films are.
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You know, the Chinese... In a Chinese scroll, for instance,
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if you had a single-point perspective, it would mean you had stopped
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and it would also mean you weren't there, you weren't moving,
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and if you're not moving, you're not living.
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It's a fascinating area, actually.
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Especially... It will get more fascinating,
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because I point out the Chinese now have the European way of looking.
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I mean, it's television cameras looking at the world through a hole,
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whereas they didn't do that in their art in the past.
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And as we begin to understand that
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it's more interesting for us making pictures.
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That's why I did the things with the cameras.
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I thought, "Well, you can actually make the television picture different."
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It's clear that you're looking at different ways and different traditions
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but how much is the Western landscape tradition and the British one
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something you want to celebrate
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and how is it something you still feel you have to distance yourself from?
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I'm quite aware of it.
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Remember, if you're from Bradford,
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you are aware Turner did a great deal of work in Wharfedale.
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Farnley Hall was not far from where I was brought up.
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It has rooms full of Turner's paintings. He stayed there.
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Amateurs in Bradford always painted Wharfedale.
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So I was quite aware of it,
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but also aware there was a very, very good tradition:
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Turner, Constable.
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Rembrandt. I love...
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Rembrandt's drawings as a landscaper are just great.
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He's influenced me quite a lot in the drawing.
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It's the drawings.
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And remember Rembrandt's drawing a flat country.
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The mountains of Holland are nothing much, are they?
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Yet he draws marvellous space.
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It's the space that thrills me.
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Is East Yorkshire still going to be territory for you to paint
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or do you feel you've resolved something over the last six years?
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Well, as I said, I haven't given up LA.
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In LA I tell them I'm just on location and they understand that in Hollywood.
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I will use them both for the next few years. Yes, I will, actually.
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One final question. In the course of the conversation
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it becomes clear that both the death of your mother, at the wondrous age of 99,
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but also of your close friend Jonathan Silver and perhaps others,
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drove you to immerse yourself in Yorkshire and to make these paintings.
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But do you think they have a kind of elegiac or sad quality in any way
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or are they fundamentally celebratory?
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They may be, I don't know.
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I mean, in a way I have to absorb the exhibition myself actually now.
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They were driven...
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Remember, I'm 75, so at 75 you expect people are dying,
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but I'm sure there's an element there.
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I'm trying to take it in.
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Remember, we've only just put the exhibition together.
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It's really the bulk of the last four years
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and I've only just begun to take it in myself.
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But I'm sure that's there, yeah.
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There'll be a few things there that you didn't consciously put there,
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but they will be there because of what you were doing.
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So 50 years plus as an artist, a successful artist,
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you're still surprising yourself?
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Well, I don't mind boring others,
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but I'm not going to bore myself. That's what I say.
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After finishing his immersion in his native Yorkshire landscape,
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Hockney returned to Los Angeles in 2012.
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And for a time he wasn't sure what it was he wanted to paint.
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But eventually he turned his attentions to another genre, that of portraiture.
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Four years later, another extraordinary exhibition at the Royal Academy
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of "82 Portraits and a Still-life",
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all in the same format, four by three,
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with each of the sitters,
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be they friends, artists, people who were visiting the studio,
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painted over a period of three days.
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22 hours. When the time had elapsed, that was it.
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Hockney finished, took a couple of days' break and then started again.
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And in a way each of the works bears scrutiny,
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but actually it's one single work of art ultimately.
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The landscape show was one of the biggest things he's ever done.
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Even he says that, across his career,
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it was the biggest challenge he was ever set by an institution before
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to create that volume of work.
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What's interesting for us is having, I guess, exhausted the idea
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of looking at the landscape
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and challenging our perception of the landscape,
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he goes from that great expanse to the intimacy of the portrait.
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He'd got used to sending me images of all the works that he was creating,
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so we kept in touch that way on a very, very regular basis.
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After a while this incredible portrait came through
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with Jean-Pierre with his head in his hands
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and David's subject was,
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"This is a portrait of Jean-Pierre, but it could be a self portrait."
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It was enormously poignant
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and we could see the link to Van Gogh's Old Man in Sorrow
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and it was just such a remarkable work.
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And then slowly, but becoming increasingly regular,
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other portraits emerged.
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Painted portraits are different from photographed portraits.
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These are painted portraits. I just paint them.
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It took me a little while to get into it,
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because I did some portraits first,
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just having somebody sit.
494
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,560
I did two or three
495
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,520
and then I thought about it
496
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,200
and I thought, "Well, I need the feet in, I think."
497
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,520
So in the end I got them on a platform.
498
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640
I did the first one
499
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,760
and the feet just came off the bottom.
500
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:33,240
And so I did another one with Gregory and put the feet in
501
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,120
but the chair was wrong then.
502
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,120
That chair at the side, you wouldn't see the figure in it.
503
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:47,160
And so I quickly got to a simpler chair.
504
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:55,840
I did about five or six portraits quite quickly.
505
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,200
I mean, each one took three days.
506
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:06,880
And I'd realised, if you ask somebody to sit for a portrait, which I did,
507
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,280
how long can they sit there?
508
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,360
I mean...
509
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,680
I thought, well, three days.
510
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,800
I could ask people to give me three days
511
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,560
and a portrait would be made in three days.
512
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,920
I'm painting all the time
513
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,760
and the third day is slower.
514
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,920
The quickest painting is when you start,
515
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,640
but when you're finishing the third day,
516
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:45,160
you know, you're just putting on a few marks, a few strokes.
517
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,560
So it's slower, what you're doing, and deciding what you do.
518
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,360
But I have done them in three days.
519
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,200
I think you can paint a portrait in three days.
520
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,280
I mean, you can paint a portrait in an hour actually.
521
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,680
I'd got it going by about the sixth one or something,
522
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:17,280
and I decided on just a plain background of blue or green
523
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,120
and I was going to concentrate on the figure then, just the figure.
524
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,280
When he got to about 20 or 30,
525
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,200
I called him and said, "Can I come and see you?"
526
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:33,400
And that's when I suggested that we could do a very contained exhibition
527
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,320
if he was able to fill this space which, of course...
528
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,600
He loves that sort of challenge
529
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,080
and I knew that from working with him on the landscape exhibition,
530
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,880
that he relishes that.
531
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,520
This is Margaret, your older sister.
532
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,360
Yes, and she came with Pauline.
533
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,560
I think... She's comfortable with me, you see.
534
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,560
She's comfortable, she's sat before.
535
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,600
She's sat many times, hasn't she?
536
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,840
Yes, and so she's comfortable with me,
537
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,880
whereas Pauline wasn't quite.
538
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,800
They're just drawn and painted,
539
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:19,280
and I draw it out in about 45 minutes, I think.
540
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,400
- Charcoal straight onto the canvas? - Charcoal straight onto the canvas.
541
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,440
And then I start painting, putting in the background and things,
542
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,760
and that's all I'm doing.
543
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,040
But she's very much at ease, isn't she?
544
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Yeah, yeah, she is. She's sitting at ease.
545
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,560
She knows what to expect, she's done it so many times before.
546
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Yeah, and she's looking at me.
547
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Absolutely looking at me, yeah.
548
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Once the eyes are in there like that, I wouldn't touch them.
549
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,520
David paints all of his work himself.
550
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,240
He doesn't have a studio of people who help him paint the work,
551
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,000
but he does have a very dedicated team of assistants within the studio
552
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,200
and Jean-Pierre, or JP as David always calls him,
553
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,880
is his main studio manager.
554
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,640
JP prepares everything for him,
555
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,600
anticipates his every need when it comes to mixing paints,
556
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,840
cleaning brushes, anything like that.
557
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,040
Jean-Pierre's also kept this remarkable archive of all of David's work,
558
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,680
so he will photograph every piece, every drawing that David creates.
559
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,240
And it's a fascinating thing, because what you can do now
560
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040
is demystify how David Hockney creates a drawing
561
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,480
and it is absolutely fascinating to watch it.
562
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,280
His hand is so fluid and the lines and...
563
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,880
You can see there's pauses when he's looking up
564
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,720
and he's working out his perspective.
565
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,440
But there's a moment when I can only call it a kind of magic comes into play
566
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,240
and suddenly you think, "No, he's got it now."
567
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,720
"I've been watching it but I'm still not quite sure how he's achieved it."
568
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,800
I've enjoyed painting the portraits.
569
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,000
It's a struggle but I enjoy it.
570
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,400
And I've enjoyed people coming here,
571
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:11,320
because I don't go out much now. I just don't want to go out much.
572
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,400
If you go out you've got to hear something really
573
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,520
and I can't really listen any more.
574
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,680
I got to know them a lot better, everybody.
575
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,280
They got to know me.
576
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,200
This collection of people, in some way, is representative of all of us
577
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,240
and it's a fascinating insight into the difference of people.
578
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,320
You may not be interested in one of the individual portraits.
579
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,520
You may look at it and think, "I'm not quite sure what that might mean to me."
580
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,880
But if you compare it to the one next to it,
581
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000
you start to build up this sense of how different people are
582
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,080
and what's fascinating
583
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200
is that each of these people...
584
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,840
The relationship is with the artist, with David,
585
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,640
and this becomes an insight into his life.
586
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,200
All of these people are people who are in his life,
587
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,080
have been part of his life.
588
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,840
Yeah, they're just people, you know, around me.
589
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,040
I mean, the first one was Bing and the second one was Gregory.
590
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,280
I mean, they're all family, friends,
591
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,640
or the children of friends.
592
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Doing the young boys and girls, I didn't really know them,
593
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,720
but I'd watched them grow up a bit.
594
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,360
I remember Holden.
595
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,560
He was only 11 years old
596
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,640
and he's the son of Richard Schmidt and Richard had made him come.
597
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,720
He didn't really want to be here but he'd been told to come.
598
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,680
Then I said, "Well, if you can sit..."
599
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:56,560
But to ask an 11-year-old to sit six hours, three days, is...
600
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,320
I realise, well, I wouldn't have been able to do it either.
601
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,680
And he was always saying,
602
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,800
"Oh, well, now you've painted the shoes I don't have to come tomorrow, do I?"
603
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,440
"They're perfect now and I can..."
604
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
And he was always trying to get out of it.
605
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Yeah, I got him but he's looking at me suspiciously and he always did.
606
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,560
When I said, "Can I now paint the hands?"...
607
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,600
And the hands were like here
608
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200
and then within a minute he's scratching!
609
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,360
I mean, I couldn't do anything with the hands.
610
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,320
But then I realised, well, yeah...
611
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,800
Then other people sat very still.
612
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,480
He was getting 80-odd people coming through the studio
613
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,120
with different perspectives in life and different stories
614
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,920
and he fed off that.
615
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,440
He's very, very gregarious.
616
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,160
He can't hear very well
617
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,720
but he hears better when he's talking on a one-to-one,
618
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,200
so each of these people came round on their own.
619
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,120
He had the pleasure of each person's company for three days.
620
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:18,040
Usually, when they sat down, first,
621
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,400
that's what I accepted.
622
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,840
And I'd watch them sit down
623
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,000
and everybody sits in a slightly different way.
624
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,760
And that's what I get, I think.
625
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,800
But on the whole they arranged it really.
626
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,080
I think most of the ladies dressed up, because they do,
627
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,520
but a lot of the men didn't.
628
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Some did.
629
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,840
But they were all interesting, though.
630
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:58,240
I mean, I have said sometimes, you know, men dress very badly today.
631
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,160
I mean, I think they do.
632
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,160
But there seems more variety in the clothing actually.
633
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,880
I'm seeing it and I think, well, maybe it's not so bad.
634
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,680
I mean, 30 years ago
635
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,720
there'd have been a lot more ties and suits, wouldn't there?
636
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,560
I wanted the feet in,
637
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,600
because shoes are amazing.
638
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,360
I mean, there are amazing differences in shoes.
639
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,520
There's lots of polished shoes, sneakers, sandals, all kinds of things,
640
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,320
and they're all part of the person.
641
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,040
So I wanted a full-length thing.
642
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,280
And you can't ask them to stand all that time,
643
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,480
so I'll have them sat down.
644
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,920
And all I did was turn the chair a bit.
645
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Well, your portrait is perhaps a bit severe, but...
646
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,240
It was like it. That's what you looked like.
647
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,680
I think it was very intense painting the face.
648
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,440
I mean, you knew I was painting the face, didn't you?
649
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,400
I was concentrating so much,
650
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,240
because I was trying to take on board the whole process. I was fascinated.
651
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920
So you were scrutinising me and I was scrutinising you
652
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,400
and I think that shows.
653
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,720
So, I don't know that it's severe. It's serious.
654
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Yeah, yeah.
655
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,480
I mean, to see yourself painted, to see the finished product
656
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,440
is a very strange thing,
657
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,840
because it wasn't me as I understood myself to look.
658
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,680
It's not like looking in the mirror.
659
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,920
You're sitting there for three days. You can't hold an expression.
660
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,360
So your expression has to be one that's quite neutral,
661
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,520
so it's not one that you often see yourself.
662
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,680
And the one that's in the exhibition
663
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,760
is actually the second portrait he did of me.
664
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,760
When I was leaving after having that done, I stayed with him for a few days,
665
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,000
he said to me, "You're happy with it, aren't you?"
666
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,000
I said, "David, I love it, it's fantastic."
667
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,280
And I said, "Do you think you got me?"
668
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,240
And he said, "Well, I've got an aspect of you."
669
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,400
And he said, "And in the first one I got another aspect of you
670
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,520
and if I was to do another, it would be a different aspect."
671
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,760
The fact that none of these are commissions is a very important thing,
672
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,200
because we all went with no expectations.
673
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,040
We weren't paying for it, so we had no expectations.
674
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,520
So we weren't able to say,
675
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,040
"Can you make me look more youthful?" or "Can you square up my shoulders?"
676
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,400
There was none of that which gave him absolute freedom
677
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,640
and was a very important aspect of the series.
678
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:46,840
What you don't see in the painting, but once you know it's there is evident,
679
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,320
is the charcoal drawing that he does,
680
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,240
that very precise drawing in charcoal straight onto the canvas.
681
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,080
And that's the thing that he does first that fixes the image.
682
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,600
It's quite remarkable actually.
683
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520
So when you see your outline sitting in the chair,
684
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,240
immediately, even though none of the details are filled in,
685
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,560
you can tell he's got you.
686
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,400
I was worried about the clothing.
687
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,800
We talked earlier about everyone choosing what they wanted to wear
688
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,840
and of course I had the benefit of being the last one.
689
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,240
So I knew what other people had worn, I wanted to do something different.
690
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,160
But I know I did set you some challenges.
691
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:22,560
Yeah. It's alright.
692
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,800
It doesn't matter. Whatever you wear, I'll paint it.
693
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,880
Leon Banks came in an unbelievable shirt that was all...
694
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,040
I mean, I painted it.
695
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,720
And then there's the woman in the long taffeta skirt which looks beautiful.
696
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:46,880
That red skirt that I knew I had to paint in one go really,
697
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,520
because when she sat down again she's going to look different.
698
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,200
The folds would be in different places, yeah.
699
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,680
That was hard and I got most of it down.
700
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,840
That is a remarkable one, very beautiful.
701
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,640
The still-life was quite early in the series
702
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:20,240
and when David sent it through to me I saw it first on my iPhone
703
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,280
and thought, "That's just glorious. It's just gorgeous."
704
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,080
When I went to LA then and looked at the still-life
705
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,560
and talked about having a portrait exhibition,
706
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,800
I said, "Couldn't we just put that in? It's a kind of portrait too, isn't it?"
707
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,360
And so we always joked about including it.
708
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,920
And in the end we did, we decided to,
709
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,160
and David came up with the title, "82 Portraits".
710
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,040
Well, it started off as "70-something Portraits" and kept going up,
711
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,880
but it remained "and One Still-life".
712
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,840
David, this is the first time you've shown at the Royal Academy since 2012.
713
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,400
600,000 people visited that exhibition here at the Academy.
714
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,400
1.2 million in total.
715
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,120
And then, four years later,
716
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,440
here we are with a new series, portraiture.
717
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,880
Is this a more intimate reaction to the sublime space of landscape
718
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,320
that made you want to turn your attention to the human figure again?
719
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:07,560
Well, I mean, when I began, of course, I didn't plan it like this.
720
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,280
I mean, I just began with that picture of JP.
721
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,560
JP like this.
722
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:19,880
Even then there was a month before I did anything else.
723
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
We felt pretty terrible actually.
724
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:26,280
I said it was like a self-portrait really.
725
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,240
I mean, I always go back to portraiture, I think.
726
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,600
I'm always going back to it.
727
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,560
You said it was difficult at the beginning.
728
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,480
You'd been ill and a friend of yours had died in tragic circumstances...
729
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,400
Well, we went back to California
730
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,760
because we were going to do a show in San Francisco.
731
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,440
We'd got back and Bridlington went with us.
732
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,040
We were very down.
733
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,600
I just began drawing in the garden a bit.
734
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:05,160
I mean, it was about a month later and JP was sitting there like this
735
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:10,760
and I suddenly thought, "Well, I'll paint him."
736
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,800
Is there a sense... Redemption is perhaps too broad an idea.
737
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,360
But if you started off with you and one of your closest friends
738
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,240
feeling so down about the world, there does seem a kind of lightness.
739
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,360
You could almost see it as a journey into light. Is that too simple?
740
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,280
Well, yes, it was.
741
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,040
I think you can see I get to feel better and better.
742
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,720
So is painting cathartic for you?
743
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,720
Has it always been cathartic to some extent?
744
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,720
Yes, yes. I mean, I really enjoyed doing them, I did.
745
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Each one was quite hard.
746
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,200
Each one I had to start and draw it...
747
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,440
That was quite tense doing it.
748
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,440
But I did thoroughly enjoy doing them, I did.
749
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,200
And different acrylic paint at the beginning.
750
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,800
You shifted the particular paint, didn't you?
751
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,080
Yes, well, the first Larry and Jonathan there,
752
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,600
they were with Liquitex which dries very quickly.
753
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,840
And then JP found this other acrylic paint
754
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,800
that has more gel in it so it dries slower,
755
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:32,280
and you can work on the faces and blend and things like that.
756
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,160
So I think this was paint made for me,
757
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:41,280
made for my method of painting, and it is.
758
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,920
And it dries overnight, of course.
759
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,640
Each day JP would photograph them
760
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:56,440
and he'd send me on the iPad the picture at the end of the day.
761
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,560
And then I'd look at it in the bedroom.
762
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:06,520
Then next day I'd know exactly how to start again, what to do.
763
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,880
So I'm saying it's a 20-hour exposure but it's actually longer,
764
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,080
because I did look at them, study it,
765
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,240
and that's how they were done.
766
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,200
I think there's a happiness to these paintings. He's enjoying himself.
767
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,920
But also he's not trying to be Lucian Freud.
768
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,840
He's not trying to do traditional portraits here at all.
769
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,600
If you look at them, the thing that's stayed in my mind is the colours.
770
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,400
The colours are superb. They're full of fizzing colour.
771
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,840
What he's looking at is the clothes people are wearing,
772
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,120
all the bright colours that they're wearing.
773
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,560
I think he was very much thinking about Matisse and Matisse's art
774
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,720
and the expressiveness of colour.
775
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,560
There's actually a game going on
776
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:59,040
in which he's enjoying and exploring the power of colour to scintillate.
777
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,000
And the effect is very strong
778
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,320
that while you might go up to an individual one of those paintings
779
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,320
and say, "Oh, it doesn't look like blah-blah-blah",
780
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,160
what you actually come away with is the colours
781
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,600
and the emotional work that the colours do.
782
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:18,360
And just as Matisse used colour to express things,
783
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,560
Hockney there gives you a vibrant fizz
784
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,840
of life-enhancing, redemptive, joyous colour.
785
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,480
Like all exhibitions of portraiture,
786
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,920
you find a very human engagement one-to-one with each of the paintings.
787
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,280
So, Gregory Evans. He's a very close friend of Hockney's
788
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,000
who's worked with him for over 30 years.
789
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,840
In a sense you'd expect a kind of familiar affection,
790
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,120
but what I think you get
791
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,400
is as if Hockney is trying to look again, afresh, anew,
792
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,360
at something familiar in a new way.
793
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Benedikt Taschen, the art publisher.
794
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,800
John Baldessari, a fellow artist.
795
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,880
Not treated in any more sentimental a way than he would treat anyone else.
796
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,760
There's a kind of dispassionate relationship
797
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,280
where you feel the artist is trying to confront what's in front of him
798
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,480
in a manner that's not that far away
799
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,560
from the process that Hockney would have used
800
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,680
immersing himself and confronting landscape.
801
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,600
And then finally Martin Gayford,
802
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,400
a journalist who's spent a lot of time over the years interviewing Hockney.
803
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,320
It's as if the tables have been turned
804
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,880
and Hockney's now scrutinising one of his interrogators.
805
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,760
But, however powerful the one-to-one effect is,
806
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,560
in the end it's the immersive impact of 82 figures
807
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,760
that makes the work so singular and so impressive.
808
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:45,120
Although certain critics have commented on the sketchy quality of some works,
809
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,480
that's not surprising.
810
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Each of them is unfinished.
811
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,640
They were only made in 22 hours.
812
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,920
But Hockney works to deadline and so decides that when 22 hours or so is up,
813
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,680
that's when he'll finish, and then he'll move on.
814
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,200
And this part-to-part-to-whole aspect, I think, is fascinating,
815
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,280
because in a way this exhibition for me
816
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,680
is a kind of deconstruction of the whole process of painting.
817
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,440
When you analyse a seemingly finished canvas
818
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,120
by even the great masters of art history,
819
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,320
not every brush stroke, not every component part is resolved,
820
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,480
but the overall effect is very resolved
821
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,920
and that, of course, is what you get here.
822
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,320
Posing for a portrait to David Hockney
823
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,640
was a very different experience from posing to Lucian Freud,
824
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,760
which is another experience I've had and actually David Hockney had himself.
825
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:43,400
And that difference was partly because of David's conception of the series,
826
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,800
that each picture was, as he put it, a 20-hour take.
827
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,200
So he'd constricted himself not to a very short period,
828
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,680
but to a relatively short period of time.
829
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:00,800
In contrast, a Freud portrait might take 130, 140, 150 hours,
830
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,120
so it's a lot more time.
831
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,200
And so David was concentrating pretty hard
832
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,520
on just the business of observing and painting while he was at work.
833
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,840
Lucian would put down the brush and reminisce
834
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,160
and spend a lot of time mixing up paints, chatting,
835
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,320
then concentrate for a bit.
836
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,720
David was concentrating absolutely 100% of the time during the sittings
837
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,320
and more or less in silence.
838
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,920
He would say the occasional thing.
839
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,120
"You can move your foot a bit now", that kind of thing.
840
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,200
But not anecdote, not conversation.
841
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,840
That came afterwards when one sat down and relaxed on the sofa
842
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,000
and he'd have a look at the picture and then he might start chatting.
843
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,000
So he was actually a rather different person
844
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,320
from the social David Hockney who is a great conversationalist actually,
845
00:59:54,400 --> 01:00:00,000
but the artist David Hockney was largely silent and an observer.
846
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,240
What David's got is me looking very hard at what he's doing,
847
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,920
how he's operating with his palette,
848
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,800
what the differences and the procedure is here in the Hockney studio.
849
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:19,120
So I look, despite jetlag, rather bright and alert in that picture.
850
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,000
Why did you set yourself a specific limit?
851
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,440
Was it to give yourself a framework against which you had to work?
852
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,400
If you ask them for a week, it's a bit more difficult.
853
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,840
If you ask them for two weeks, it's really difficult.
854
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,480
And I thought, "Well, I can paint them in three days
855
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,160
and I'll get more people to pose."
856
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:52,160
So they're not fleeting, but they're quicker than most portraits?
857
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,280
Yes. Although...
858
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,600
Van Gogh didn't spend more than three days on a portrait.
859
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,000
He never spent more than five days on a painting.
860
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,120
So when you look at these now, they seem very complete to me.
861
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,880
But do you look at them and think,
862
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,920
"I'd like to work on that one or that one a little more"?
863
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,760
No, no, I accepted them.
864
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,680
I only painted them when they were there.
865
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,320
I didn't really paint them when they weren't there.
866
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,200
I thought, "No, I'll just react to it."
867
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,800
That's an important distinction.
868
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,800
A lot of portrait painters use photographs, paint from the photograph.
869
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,520
You feel very strongly about the role of the camera.
870
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,080
Yeah, I didn't want to use photographs.
871
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,280
If these were photographs they'd be a lot duller. I know that.
872
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,200
And today everybody's a photographer, aren't they?
873
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,800
These would be duller as photographs because they'd lack intimacy?
874
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,080
Yes. But whenever they sat down,
875
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:05,680
I took that and then drew it, carefully,
876
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,320
in about an hour or half an hour.
877
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,120
Sometimes they were drawn quite quickly,
878
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,760
but very intense, I'm very intense doing it.
879
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:22,600
But once I'd got the drawing done, they didn't really have to sit that still.
880
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:23,800
I mean, they didn't.
881
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,040
But then I could just say, "Keep your hand there now," or something.
882
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,360
I mean, I'd always tell them what I was painting a bit,
883
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:39,840
meaning, "I'm now doing your shoes," or "I'm now doing your shoulder,"
884
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,200
or "I'm doing something."
885
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,920
And I was always adding to it.
886
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,880
I mean, you begin with a blank canvas and they're just sitting there
887
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,680
and then they watch it appearing.
888
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,120
Of course, everybody's interested in watching
889
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,240
a portrait of themselves appearing.
890
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,160
And I'd chat to them when we had a break.
891
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,000
I mean, I'd let them have a little rest and then I'd talk to them.
892
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,880
We photographed that one, taken with an iPhone.
893
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,160
They're amazing.
894
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,760
Photography's getting very different now.
895
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,480
Didn't Kokoschka... Didn't someone once say to Kokoschka,
896
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,840
"That doesn't look like me," and he said, "It will do"?
897
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,680
That's Picasso. That was Gertrude Stein.
898
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Was it?
899
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,240
And the double portrait there?
900
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,040
They're twins.
901
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,400
And was that their idea or your idea to do them together?
902
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,840
It was my idea and lan Falconer's idea.
903
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,000
They're the nephews of lan Falconer.
904
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,760
Ian I never painted because...
905
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,240
I drew him, I got him drawn once
906
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,240
and then he said, "Oh, I can't sit still for three days."
907
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,800
He's a dear friend of mine.
908
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,240
I love this because it's a slight spanner in the works.
909
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,560
It's a different format. Suddenly you've turned it on its side.
910
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,320
Every sitter you chose was known to you, is that right?
911
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,760
Oh, yes, yes.
912
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,440
Everybody I know. Every one I know.
913
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,040
And you consider this a single work of art.
914
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,400
It's a continuous work of 83 paintings.
915
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,160
Well, I think so, yes.
916
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,720
I mean, I've kept them. I'm going to do more when I get back.
917
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,279
I've done actually...
918
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:31,480
I've done about 94, because we left some out.
919
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:36,880
I'd painted one or two people three times, some twice.
920
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,760
I only left out one person who had given me three days,
921
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,800
but I did point out he was the only person not looking at me.
922
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:47,880
Interesting.
923
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,279
So, Rembrandt once said that every painting he made
924
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,480
to a certain extent was a self-portrait.
925
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,440
There is no explicit self-portrait here.
926
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,120
Do you see these as extensions of the self sometimes
927
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,040
or are you quite remote or dispassionate when you're making them?
928
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,680
Well, I did them, I painted them.
929
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,360
They did get clearer.
930
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,279
I mean, if you look at the first ones
931
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,160
and then look at the last ones, just over there,
932
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:22,400
you can see how the colour gets stronger, the drawing gets stronger.
933
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,400
They get more resolved because you have a facility.
934
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,000
You realise what it is you're doing, it becomes easier.
935
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,240
I understand more what I'm doing.
936
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,920
By the time I got to paint little Rufus,
937
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,440
- he understood what I was doing. - Well, both his parents are artists.
938
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,240
But I wonder whether there came a moment
939
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,720
where you systematically wanted to paint the ages of man,
940
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,080
or mankind from 11 to 80,
941
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,080
or whether that was just in the nature of the people that you knew?
942
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,880
Well, I mean, I became aware of that.
943
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,760
I became aware I was painting people...
944
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,200
I mean, Leon Banks was 92.
945
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,560
Rita's 91.
946
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,760
And then I thought,
947
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,760
well, I'd like to do some young people as well,
948
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,400
so actually there's all ages here, there is.
949
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,360
And as they built up,
950
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,520
when I'd done 40, say,
951
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:28,760
I would then hang them up, even when they were just first done.
952
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,720
I'd hang them up to make sure they were different from the others,
953
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,440
because all the legs are different,
954
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,000
the way they are and what happens with the feet and things.
955
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,080
None jump out because they all jump out.
956
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,840
You have to look at them all, because they're all individuals.
957
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,680
And yet we share a common humanity
958
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,360
and there's something that unites these portraits as well.
959
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,440
The format, the background colouring is the same.
960
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,880
So you're showing similarity
961
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,000
and emphasising individuality at the same time, aren't you?
962
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:09,600
Yes, I mean, the background was a blue curtain and a green carpet
963
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,040
and I swapped them round sometimes.
964
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,320
But I then realised, with the chair then,
965
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,920
I'm emphasising the individuality of them
966
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,800
and that's why they work together, I think.
967
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,680
When you're making a portrait in general, but this work,
968
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,760
it's obviously very much about you and the sitter,
969
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,440
but does the viewer ever come into play
970
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,800
or is that always an afterthought in making art?
971
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,279
Well, it's me and the sitter really.
972
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:49,240
I think I'd done about 30 when Edith suggested this,
973
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:54,320
so then I started thinking of, "Well, how would I exhibit them?"
974
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,800
I mean, I didn't think of that at first.
975
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:50,479
You say you've made more since the 82 pictures here, the 82 paintings.
976
01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:53,640
When will you finish? Have you any idea when this series finishes?
977
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,240
Well, I think I could go on forever actually.
978
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:01,440
I mean, looking at people is always interesting. It is.
979
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,279
I mean, when Clement Greenberg said,
980
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:09,479
"It's not now possible for an advanced artist to make a portrait",
981
01:09:09,559 --> 01:09:14,640
de Kooning's famous reply was: "Yes, and it's not possible not to."
982
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:20,279
It's a mad statement really. I mean, why would you not paint people?
983
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:23,760
People are the most interesting things we see, aren't they?
984
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,040
Absolutely. And you've done recently a big series of landscapes.
985
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,000
This is a big series of portraits.
986
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,319
You include a still-life, so that's the three genres.
987
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,559
Never, even in your mature years,
988
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,559
tempted to go into abstraction or dabble with abstraction?
989
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,200
- Well, I have actually. - When you were younger, yeah.
990
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:46,920
And in a way, I mean, everything's an abstraction really.
991
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,920
You're 80 next year.
992
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:51,680
You seem to have as much curiosity now
993
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,360
as you did ten years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago.
994
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:58,800
But as you get older do you have to try sometimes
995
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,720
to step outside the artist you've become
996
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,760
or is it just part of your natural curiosity
997
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,520
to make things anew every time?
998
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,080
Well, I am naturally curious.
999
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,840
We went to China last year
1000
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:18,080
and they were animating scrolls
1001
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,360
and I thought they were superb.
1002
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,240
I think, well, there's thousands of scrolls.
1003
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,080
A scroll, only one person at a time can see them.
1004
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,760
But now with these big screens and animation,
1005
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,880
I mean, they can look back at their past art
1006
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,440
and now do it on a whole new way.
1007
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,680
I think that's very exciting actually.
1008
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:47,720
I think there's a lot you can do with painting now, a lot more.
1009
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,440
And you don't feel the pressure of public expectation when you make art?
1010
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:59,440
Well, no. I mean, I live in LA very quietly
1011
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,160
and I just think about painting.
1012
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:10,640
I just now read and paint really, because that's all I can do.
1013
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,240
But I'm always thinking about painting
1014
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,880
and thinking about what to do next, yes.
1015
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,120
I mean, we've done a great big Taschen book.
1016
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,880
You know, I'm doing one of these big SUMO books
1017
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,240
and that made me look back.
1018
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:38,040
I found lots of things from Bradford School of Art
1019
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,559
that I had forgotten about.
1020
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,400
Does looking back give you ideas to go forward
1021
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:49,040
- or have you got plenty of ideas? - Well, it has actually.
1022
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:53,920
It made me see a lot more of what I'd done
1023
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,559
and I think, "Well, yes, that was rather good
1024
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,640
and I could develop that a bit more now. I didn't develop it enough."
1025
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,200
When I go back I'm just going to carry on.
1026
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,080
You've got to have something to do, don't you?
1027
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,760
And I do have something to do.
1028
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,559
That's Bing who said I'd painted him like a refrigerator salesman.
1029
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,800
I hope you said, "Cool."
1030
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,640
I love the one of Edith actually.
1031
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,000
- Well, I did another one of Edith. - She said.
1032
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:32,520
Her legs were very good.
1033
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,680
Her legs were very, very good.
1034
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,640
It's the first time I've ever heard that!
1035
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,760
Everyone said, "Nice legs!" when they saw that portrait.
1036
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,280
- That was nice. - Well, they are good.
1037
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,840
But this one's... I think this one is slightly better.
1038
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,720
I love this one.
1039
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,840
I think one of the things that we wanted to celebrate in this exhibition
1040
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,840
was the fact that it's incredibly democratic.
1041
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,600
I don't know whether it matters who they are.
1042
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,440
Some of them are very well-known art dealers
1043
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,520
and others are the person that washes David's car
1044
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,880
and he's treated them all in that very democratic way.
1045
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,040
They've sat for the same amount of time.
1046
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,800
The same amount of artistic energy
1047
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,800
has gone into the creation of each of those works.
1048
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:02,680
I think I've painted them all as individuals, which we are.
1049
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,800
And the individual today has been given more power, hasn't he?
1050
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,080
With the Internet and things.
1051
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:17,720
And I think that's what the exhibition will show,
1052
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,320
that they're all individuals.
1053
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,800
I mean, I've got the individuality, I think,
1054
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:29,040
in the whole body and the pose and everything.
1055
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,160
Yeah, and they're all different.
1056
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:37,080
I mean, we all have different faces, we've got different insides,
1057
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,120
and I think that's a joy actually.
1058
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:47,440
There's a warmth, there's a curiosity, there's a deep, deep intelligence,
1059
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,240
and I think all of that is present in the person
1060
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,440
and is present in the art as well.
1061
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,200
I think it is clear that this is late work
1062
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,920
because it's done from the motif, it's done from life,
1063
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,760
and his earlier explorations of the use of the camera
1064
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,760
and from memory and imagination isn't present here.
1065
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,880
It's communing with the subject
1066
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,040
in a way that he did when he was at art college,
1067
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,000
but with these kind of 50 years of experience in between.
1068
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,680
So I think there is a kind of level of interrogation and sophistication
1069
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,840
that makes it clear that it is a later work.
1070
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,440
Plus, that ability to do them relatively quickly.
1071
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,920
You know, when you think of the double portraits he did, those iconic works...
1072
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,000
They took a year to paint. They were very, very detailed works.
1073
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,080
But there's a life to these.
1074
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,240
Each one's three days, and they jump off the walls.
1075
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,080
In terms of his standing in the whole history of art
1076
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,520
he's done paintings that'll never be forgotten,
1077
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,760
paintings that define an era.
1078
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,280
So I think to have done definitive paintings of modern life
1079
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,040
is a great achievement.
1080
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,480
Whatever else he does, whatever you think of other works he may have done,
1081
01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:08,440
David Hockney is an artist who will always be remembered
1082
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,920
and will always be remembered in a happy way
1083
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,320
for someone who had a sense of beauty.
1084
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,760
David has mused to me
1085
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,600
that he's aware that many artists, famous in their lifetimes,
1086
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,640
disappear from posterity.
1087
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:28,160
Artistic reputations are not necessarily there forever.
1088
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,000
Reputations go up and down
1089
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,720
and he said, well, he knows that his reputation might disappear
1090
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,720
and, in a way, that doesn't matter.
1091
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,600
Although actually one might say
1092
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,920
his reputation is rather unlikely to disappear
1093
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:50,920
and probably David knows that that is the case
1094
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:55,200
and that it's very likely that in 100 years' time
1095
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,080
some of his works will still be being looked at with great attention
1096
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,120
by posterity.
1097
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,080
I'm working more than I ever did.
1098
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,680
I mean... I'll tell you this.
1099
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:14,040
The people who tell me to stop smoking...
1100
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,080
I don't smoke when I paint.
1101
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,600
But when I stop, which I do occasionally
1102
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,640
to look and to reassess what you're doing, when will I do it,
1103
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,800
that's when I have a cigarette usually.
1104
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:36,400
And the people who tell me to stop smoking
1105
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,480
are telling me, at that moment I should think about my body.
1106
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,760
Well, I don't want to think about my body,
1107
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,280
I want to think about the painting.
1108
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,040
Portraiture, landscape and still-life.
1109
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,840
What else is there?
1110
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:58,840
You might say.
1111
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,440
I don't know.
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