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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,214 Now, I first thought the two kids who did this came from someplace else. 2 00:00:34,818 --> 00:00:38,254 When I learned that they had grown up in Laramie, I was just floored. 3 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:53,434 In Laramie, Wyoming... 4 00:00:53,504 --> 00:00:58,271 a young man is in a deep coma, near death from a savage beating. 5 00:01:03,013 --> 00:01:05,743 When I first found out, I just thought it was horrible. 6 00:01:08,052 --> 00:01:09,383 Nobody deserves that. 7 00:01:10,187 --> 00:01:11,620 I don't care who you are. 8 00:01:15,125 --> 00:01:16,956 A college freshman was beaten... 9 00:01:17,027 --> 00:01:20,394 tied to a fence, and left for dead in Wyoming this week. 10 00:01:24,335 --> 00:01:27,304 You'd like to think this was somebody from out of town. 11 00:01:27,371 --> 00:01:29,896 Somebody who comes through and beats somebody up. 12 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:37,045 But if we're talking about somebody who's been beaten repeatedly... 13 00:01:37,114 --> 00:01:41,107 by somebody from our town, that certainly offends us. 14 00:01:47,358 --> 00:01:52,022 If you asked me before, I would have told you Laramie is a beautiful town. 15 00:01:52,096 --> 00:01:54,462 It's secluded, you know, secluded enough... 16 00:01:54,531 --> 00:01:57,091 so you can have your own identity. 17 00:01:58,102 --> 00:02:00,900 Now, after Matthew... 18 00:02:01,238 --> 00:02:05,732 we're a town defined by an accident or a crime. 19 00:02:06,010 --> 00:02:08,035 We've become Waco or Jasper. 20 00:02:09,179 --> 00:02:12,239 We're a noun, or a definition, or a sign. 21 00:02:24,294 --> 00:02:27,263 - Do you mind if I tape this? - No, I don't mind. 22 00:02:27,398 --> 00:02:31,164 Great. Thank you again for taking time out of your rehearsal to talk to me. 23 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:36,297 I must tell you, when I first heard you were thinking of coming here... 24 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:38,307 when you first called me... 25 00:02:38,375 --> 00:02:39,740 I wanted to say: 26 00:02:40,477 --> 00:02:44,072 "You just kicked me in the stomach. Why are you doing this to me?" 27 00:02:45,015 --> 00:02:49,349 And then I thought, "Well, that's stupid. You're not doing this to me. " 28 00:02:50,054 --> 00:02:51,681 And more importantly... 29 00:02:52,356 --> 00:02:54,290 my students need to talk. 30 00:02:54,725 --> 00:02:58,092 When this first happened, they started to talk about it. 31 00:02:58,195 --> 00:03:01,028 Then the media descended and all dialogue stopped. 32 00:03:01,131 --> 00:03:02,685 We're not reporters. 33 00:03:02,819 --> 00:03:04,548 I know. I read your last play. 34 00:03:04,621 --> 00:03:06,054 You did? 35 00:03:07,423 --> 00:03:09,414 Gave me an idea of what you do. 36 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:13,696 Moises called, saying he had an idea for his next theatre project... 37 00:03:13,763 --> 00:03:18,097 but there was a somberness to his voice, so I asked him what it was all about. 38 00:03:18,401 --> 00:03:21,598 He said he wanted to do a piece about what's happening in Wyoming. 39 00:03:21,871 --> 00:03:26,899 Leigh told me that the company was thinking of going down to Laramie... 40 00:03:27,043 --> 00:03:29,511 and conducting interviews, and did I want to come? 41 00:03:29,579 --> 00:03:31,774 I did, I said, yeah, but... 42 00:03:32,282 --> 00:03:35,877 I was hesitant, because as a gay man... 43 00:03:36,753 --> 00:03:37,913 I mean... 44 00:03:38,788 --> 00:03:41,552 a kid had just been killed there because he was gay. 45 00:03:41,791 --> 00:03:43,452 What exactly do you want? 46 00:03:43,827 --> 00:03:47,263 I'd like you to give me names of people who might want to talk to us. 47 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:50,163 I'd like to talk to your students and your friends. 48 00:03:50,233 --> 00:03:52,292 I want to hear from the people of the town. 49 00:03:52,368 --> 00:03:55,030 I have never done anything like this before. 50 00:03:55,205 --> 00:03:58,732 How do you get people to talk to you? What do you ask? 51 00:03:58,875 --> 00:04:01,002 It's still very raw for us here. 52 00:04:01,244 --> 00:04:04,611 I understand, but this is no longer about Laramie or Wyoming. 53 00:04:04,681 --> 00:04:06,774 This is about the whole country. 54 00:04:11,855 --> 00:04:14,949 To me, it's still about Laramie. 55 00:04:16,159 --> 00:04:20,027 The company has agreed to go to Laramie and interview the people of the town. 56 00:04:20,096 --> 00:04:24,430 I'm scared, because I don't know what I'm gonna do to ensure their safety. 57 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:26,297 I made a preliminary contact... 58 00:04:26,369 --> 00:04:30,328 with the head of the theatre department at the University of Wyoming... 59 00:04:30,406 --> 00:04:33,068 and hopefully that will lead to more interviews. 60 00:04:34,577 --> 00:04:35,771 You're late. 61 00:04:35,979 --> 00:04:38,573 I know. We talked for a lot longer than I planned. 62 00:04:38,648 --> 00:04:39,740 What did Rebecca say? 63 00:04:39,816 --> 00:04:42,649 She gave me names of people who might talk to us. 64 00:04:42,719 --> 00:04:47,122 Townspeople, ranchers, some students. We should contact these people first. 65 00:04:47,590 --> 00:04:49,581 Let's see if anybody's gonna talk. 66 00:04:50,260 --> 00:04:53,058 - Great. - You okay? What? 67 00:04:53,162 --> 00:04:54,891 Please, don't do that here. 68 00:04:55,265 --> 00:04:57,927 - Where are you folks from? - New York. 69 00:04:58,067 --> 00:05:00,035 And what brings you to town? 70 00:05:02,405 --> 00:05:04,168 We're just passing through. 71 00:05:21,658 --> 00:05:22,658 Hi. 72 00:05:23,459 --> 00:05:25,984 - Is Linda home? - Nope, she's working. 73 00:05:26,129 --> 00:05:30,088 Okay. Can you tell her that Amanda stopped by and I'll be at the Ranger Motel? 74 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:31,292 And who are you? 75 00:05:31,367 --> 00:05:34,768 I'm with a theatre company. Rebecca Hilliker told her about me. 76 00:05:34,904 --> 00:05:36,929 I never heard of her. What do you want? 77 00:05:37,006 --> 00:05:41,568 We're writing a play about Laramie and the Matthew Shepard incident. 78 00:05:41,644 --> 00:05:43,202 Why are you doing that? 79 00:05:43,613 --> 00:05:45,444 We think it's a story that... 80 00:05:45,515 --> 00:05:48,484 Sticking your nose into something we don't need to talk about. 81 00:05:48,551 --> 00:05:52,317 - That's over and done. - I understand your feeling... 82 00:05:52,388 --> 00:05:55,323 We don't want any more of this. You're not wanted here. 83 00:06:00,830 --> 00:06:03,094 Where are you going with this story? 84 00:06:03,333 --> 00:06:06,200 When the play is finished, we'll bring it around to Laramie. 85 00:06:06,336 --> 00:06:09,499 - And you're gonna use our words? - That's the idea. 86 00:06:14,877 --> 00:06:18,643 I've been close enough to the case to know many of the people. 87 00:06:19,449 --> 00:06:22,247 I have a daughter, works in the Sheriff's department. 88 00:06:22,785 --> 00:06:24,844 As for the "gay issue"... 89 00:06:25,021 --> 00:06:28,582 I don't give a damn one way or another as long as they don't bother me. 90 00:06:28,658 --> 00:06:31,354 And even if they did, I'd just say, "No, thank you. " 91 00:06:31,494 --> 00:06:34,520 That's the attitude of most of the Laramie population. 92 00:06:34,897 --> 00:06:38,731 They might poke one in a bar situation, you know. 93 00:06:38,801 --> 00:06:42,259 If they had been drinking, they might smack one in the mouth... 94 00:06:42,338 --> 00:06:46,934 but then they'd just walk away. Laramie is live-and-let-live. 95 00:06:48,144 --> 00:06:52,843 My dear brothers and sisters, I am here today to bring you the Word of the Lord. 96 00:06:53,149 --> 00:06:57,677 In my ministry, I've found a simple truth that I'd like to share with you today. 97 00:06:57,754 --> 00:06:58,754 It's this: 98 00:06:58,821 --> 00:07:02,154 The Word is either sufficient... 99 00:07:02,925 --> 00:07:04,290 or it is not. 100 00:07:04,660 --> 00:07:07,857 Scientists tell me that human history... 101 00:07:08,331 --> 00:07:13,325 that the world is five billion or six billion years old. 102 00:07:14,837 --> 00:07:17,567 After all, what's a billion years, give or take? 103 00:07:18,941 --> 00:07:23,503 But the Bible tells me that human history is 6,000 years old. 104 00:07:24,247 --> 00:07:28,206 The Word is either sufficient or it is not. 105 00:07:30,253 --> 00:07:34,189 In Laramie, population 26,687... 106 00:07:34,323 --> 00:07:36,883 the first thing to greet us was Wal Mart. 107 00:07:37,026 --> 00:07:40,985 This could be any main drag in America. Fast food chains, gas stations. 108 00:07:41,130 --> 00:07:44,566 But as we drove into the downtown area, by the railroad tracks... 109 00:07:44,634 --> 00:07:48,661 the buildings still retained the shape of a turn-of-the-century western town. 110 00:07:48,738 --> 00:07:51,104 As we passed the University Inn... 111 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,234 on the sign where amenities such as heated pool, cable TV are usually touted... 112 00:07:56,379 --> 00:08:00,213 it said, "Hate is not a Laramie value. " 113 00:08:06,656 --> 00:08:08,521 So how did you wind up here? 114 00:08:09,392 --> 00:08:11,883 Well, when it came time to go to college... 115 00:08:11,961 --> 00:08:14,794 my parents couldn't really afford to send me to college. 116 00:08:14,864 --> 00:08:17,230 I knew that I wanted to study theatre... 117 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:21,464 and I knew that if I wanted to go to college, I had to get on a scholarship. 118 00:08:21,537 --> 00:08:24,938 There's this competition that they have every year. 119 00:08:25,074 --> 00:08:28,942 It's like a Wyoming state high school competition thing. 120 00:08:29,078 --> 00:08:33,913 I came to the University, to the theatre department, to look for some good scenes. 121 00:08:34,016 --> 00:08:38,112 I asked the professor, I said, "You know, I need a killer scene. " 122 00:08:38,254 --> 00:08:41,189 And he's like, "Here. Here you go. This is it. " 123 00:08:41,324 --> 00:08:43,849 - What was it? - That was Angels in America. 124 00:08:44,227 --> 00:08:46,889 I read that and I'm like, this is okay. 125 00:08:46,963 --> 00:08:49,830 I can win Best Scene if I just do a good enough job. 126 00:08:49,899 --> 00:08:53,995 So I tell my parents, so they can come see me in the competition. 127 00:08:54,437 --> 00:08:57,031 They brought me in the room and they sat me down... 128 00:08:57,106 --> 00:09:00,542 and they said that they wouldn't come to see me if I did that scene. 129 00:09:00,610 --> 00:09:02,578 - They couldn't. - Why is that? 130 00:09:02,778 --> 00:09:07,147 You know, because they believe it's wrong, because homosexuality's wrong. 131 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:14,913 AII I remember from the competition is just standing ovation. 132 00:09:15,124 --> 00:09:16,921 - Really? - Just... 133 00:09:17,593 --> 00:09:21,586 We won. We got first place. One of the best moments of my life. 134 00:09:22,265 --> 00:09:25,166 - Did your parents come? - Parents weren't there. 135 00:09:26,469 --> 00:09:27,936 So why'd you do it? 136 00:09:28,004 --> 00:09:30,336 Actually, if I'm really honest, I think... 137 00:09:30,406 --> 00:09:33,864 I just wanted to win, really. 138 00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:37,207 It was just the greatest scene. 139 00:09:37,813 --> 00:09:39,644 I just wanted to win. 140 00:09:47,456 --> 00:09:52,325 Today, for the first time, I met someone who actually knew Matthew Shepard. 141 00:09:52,461 --> 00:09:56,329 Trish Steger, owner of a shop in town, referred to him as Matt. 142 00:09:56,699 --> 00:10:00,100 Matt used to come into my shop. That's how I knew him. 143 00:10:00,236 --> 00:10:04,036 It was the first time I ever heard him referred to as Matt instead of Matthew. 144 00:10:04,106 --> 00:10:05,698 Well, what was he like? 145 00:10:06,042 --> 00:10:07,566 I don't know. 146 00:10:07,710 --> 00:10:11,339 How does any one person ever tell about another? 147 00:10:13,015 --> 00:10:15,774 Matt was a blunt little shit. know what I'm saying? 148 00:10:15,908 --> 00:10:20,811 He was a little guy, 5'2". Soaking wet, I bet you (7 pounds, tops. 149 00:10:20,913 --> 00:10:23,848 They were saying he weighed 110 pounds. I don't believe it. 150 00:10:23,983 --> 00:10:25,541 I say, "Are you Matthew Shepard?" 151 00:10:25,618 --> 00:10:30,521 He says, "Yeah, I'm Matthew Shepard, but don't call me Matthew, or Mr. Shepard. " 152 00:10:30,656 --> 00:10:33,489 "Don't call me none of that. My name is Matt. " 153 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,859 "And I want you to know that I am gay, and we're gonna be going to a gay bar. " 154 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:40,023 "Do you have a problem with that?" 155 00:10:40,332 --> 00:10:42,232 I said, "No. How are you paying?" 156 00:10:43,335 --> 00:10:46,793 The fact of the matter is, Laramie doesn't have any gay bars. 157 00:10:46,972 --> 00:10:49,133 For that matter, neither does Wyoming. 158 00:10:49,942 --> 00:10:53,469 He was hiring me to take him down to Fort Collins, Colorado... 159 00:10:53,545 --> 00:10:55,137 which is about an hour away. 160 00:10:55,214 --> 00:10:57,341 He was struggling when he first came here. 161 00:10:57,416 --> 00:11:00,544 Reaching out, trying to fit in. 162 00:11:02,254 --> 00:11:04,950 - I'm sorry I'm late. - My sister Romaine. 163 00:11:07,293 --> 00:11:09,386 She was a close friend of Matthew's. 164 00:11:09,762 --> 00:11:12,526 Matthew really wanted to get into political affairs. 165 00:11:12,831 --> 00:11:17,359 That was all his big interest was, watching CNN and MSNBC. 166 00:11:17,636 --> 00:11:21,003 Those were the only TV stations I ever saw his TV tuned in to. 167 00:11:21,473 --> 00:11:23,498 So why did he move to Laramie? 168 00:11:24,009 --> 00:11:27,069 He told me he was thinking about going back to school. 169 00:11:27,546 --> 00:11:31,949 So I told him, "Go to the University of Wyoming, go to Laramie. " 170 00:11:32,017 --> 00:11:34,076 "You can really find a home there. " 171 00:11:34,153 --> 00:11:39,147 I was Matthew's academic advisor, so I knew him in a very specific context. 172 00:11:39,224 --> 00:11:43,456 But I can tell you that Matthew was very shy when he first came in... 173 00:11:43,595 --> 00:11:46,428 to the point of being somewhat mousy, I'd almost say. 174 00:11:46,532 --> 00:11:49,763 But soon, his shyness began to give way to this person... 175 00:11:49,835 --> 00:11:53,532 that was excited about this track that he was going to embark on. 176 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:56,233 Whenever I think of Matthew, I think of his... 177 00:11:56,809 --> 00:11:59,505 incredible beaming smile. 178 00:11:59,845 --> 00:12:02,211 He'd walk into a room and just be, like... 179 00:12:04,416 --> 00:12:06,179 He'd smile at everyone. 180 00:12:06,518 --> 00:12:08,418 He made you feel great. 181 00:12:08,487 --> 00:12:10,045 He was just starting to say: 182 00:12:10,122 --> 00:12:14,218 "There are opportunities here. There are things I can do in this world. " 183 00:12:14,293 --> 00:12:15,726 "I can be important. " 184 00:12:15,861 --> 00:12:19,490 I heard from Matt about 48 hours before the attack. 185 00:12:20,299 --> 00:12:23,826 He told me he'd just joined the gay and lesbian group on campus... 186 00:12:23,902 --> 00:12:27,998 and he was really enjoying it, getting ready for Pride Week. 187 00:12:28,574 --> 00:12:32,943 He was totally stoked about school. He was really happy being there. 188 00:12:34,013 --> 00:12:36,743 I can only say this in retrospect, of course. 189 00:12:36,915 --> 00:12:40,112 I think that's where he was headed, towards human rights. 190 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:49,727 Let me tell you something. 191 00:12:49,795 --> 00:12:52,263 There's more gay people in Wyoming than meets the eye. 192 00:12:52,331 --> 00:12:55,528 - You think? - I know for a fact. 193 00:12:55,968 --> 00:12:58,095 I mean, they're not particularly... 194 00:12:58,504 --> 00:13:01,735 What do you call the queens, the gay people, queens? 195 00:13:02,074 --> 00:13:04,372 You know, the run-around, faggot-type people. 196 00:13:04,443 --> 00:13:07,276 They're more like the ones who'II... 197 00:13:07,413 --> 00:13:10,905 throw a bale of hay, jump on a horse, brand them and kick ass. 198 00:13:10,983 --> 00:13:13,213 know what I'm saying? As I always say... 199 00:13:13,318 --> 00:13:17,880 you don't fuck with a Wyoming queer 'cause they'll fucking kick you in your ass. 200 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:20,652 - But that's not the point. - What is the point? 201 00:13:21,126 --> 00:13:25,324 People of Wyoming do not give a damn one way or the other if you're gay... 202 00:13:25,464 --> 00:13:28,627 if you're straight, bisexual, trisexual, it doesn't matter. 203 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:31,362 - Really? - That's what I just said. It doesn't matter. 204 00:13:31,437 --> 00:13:35,430 I was the first out lesbian or gay faculty member... 205 00:13:35,507 --> 00:13:37,338 and that's in 1((2. 206 00:13:37,643 --> 00:13:39,770 That's not that long ago. 207 00:13:40,245 --> 00:13:42,907 They asked me at the interview what my husband did. 208 00:13:42,981 --> 00:13:44,448 So I came out then. 209 00:13:44,983 --> 00:13:49,716 When I first moved out here, I knew it was gonna be hard as a gay man. 210 00:13:49,822 --> 00:13:52,154 There would be times when I would go to Denver... 211 00:13:52,224 --> 00:13:56,627 and I would go to the gay bars there, and people would ask me where I was from... 212 00:13:56,695 --> 00:13:59,163 and I would say, "Laramie, Wyoming. " 213 00:13:59,665 --> 00:14:04,568 And I met so many men down there from Wyoming. 214 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:07,932 So many gay men who grew up here and they were like: 215 00:14:08,006 --> 00:14:12,909 "This is not a place where I can live. How can you live there? I had to get out. " 216 00:14:13,078 --> 00:14:16,570 But every once in awhile, there'd be a guy: 217 00:14:16,748 --> 00:14:18,613 "Gosh, I miss Laramie. " 218 00:14:19,284 --> 00:14:22,913 "I mean, I really love it there. That's where I want to live. " 219 00:14:23,055 --> 00:14:27,287 And they'd get this starry-eyed look, and I think... 220 00:14:27,426 --> 00:14:31,021 if that is where you wanna live, do it. 221 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:35,166 So I get into my office one day and I have a message to call this woman back. 222 00:14:35,234 --> 00:14:38,601 So I call her back and she goes, "I hear you are a lesbian. 223 00:14:38,971 --> 00:14:42,463 "I hear you are one. " And I'm like, "uh-huh?" 224 00:14:42,641 --> 00:14:46,475 She goes, "I'm one, too. " She wanted to come over and meet me immediately. 225 00:14:46,578 --> 00:14:48,842 She also warned me about the fact... 226 00:14:48,914 --> 00:14:52,816 that there's other lesbians in this town who would not be seen with me. 227 00:14:52,918 --> 00:14:56,081 That just to be seen with me would taint them irreparably. 228 00:14:56,755 --> 00:15:00,088 That just to be seen with me would be a big problem. 229 00:15:02,594 --> 00:15:04,255 I love this land. 230 00:15:05,464 --> 00:15:06,658 I mean... 231 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:09,460 I really love this land. 232 00:15:25,317 --> 00:15:30,016 I'm gonna make this brief, quick, just get it over with, but it will be everything. 233 00:15:30,088 --> 00:15:33,922 Factual, just the facts. 10:00. I punch in, my regular time for Tuesdays. 234 00:15:33,992 --> 00:15:35,960 At 10:30 we're having karaoke night... 235 00:15:36,028 --> 00:15:38,394 so there's maybe 20 or 30 people milling around. 236 00:15:38,463 --> 00:15:42,627 That's when Matthew Shepard comes in alone, he comes in and... 237 00:15:43,535 --> 00:15:47,335 he sits right where you're sitting right now, orders himself a Heineken. 238 00:15:47,940 --> 00:15:52,104 So what can I tell you about Matt? Well, manners... 239 00:15:52,644 --> 00:15:56,102 politeness, intelligence. Taking care of me, as in tips. 240 00:15:56,348 --> 00:15:58,407 Everything, he just offers conversation. 241 00:15:58,483 --> 00:16:00,815 He comes in, he's always dressed nice, clean-cut. 242 00:16:00,886 --> 00:16:03,821 Didn't seem to have any worries. He wasn't waiting on anybody. 243 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:07,017 He just wanted to enjoy his drink and the company around. 244 00:16:13,398 --> 00:16:15,764 I guess it was maybe 11:30 or 11:45. 245 00:16:15,834 --> 00:16:19,395 That's when Russell Henderson and Aaron Mckinney came in. 246 00:16:19,638 --> 00:16:22,903 They come in, approach the bar, they sit here and order a pitcher... 247 00:16:22,975 --> 00:16:26,843 and as you know, they pay for the thing entirely in dimes and quarters... 248 00:16:26,912 --> 00:16:29,904 which, let me tell you, is something you just don't forget. 249 00:16:29,982 --> 00:16:33,110 You don't forget something like that. $5.50 in dimes and quarters? 250 00:16:33,185 --> 00:16:35,346 It's a freaking nightmare for a bartender. 251 00:16:35,687 --> 00:16:39,350 Money meant nothing to Matthew because he grew up with a lot of it. 252 00:16:39,424 --> 00:16:41,551 He'd have handed over his wallet in a second... 253 00:16:41,627 --> 00:16:43,754 because money meant nothing to him. 254 00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:46,662 I mean, his shoes might have meant something, but... 255 00:16:46,898 --> 00:16:50,356 They can say it was robbery all they want to, but I don't buy it. 256 00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:52,594 Not even for an iota of a second. 257 00:16:52,771 --> 00:16:55,638 Look, when they came in, Henderson and Mckinney... 258 00:16:55,707 --> 00:16:59,108 to me, they didn't seem to be intoxicated at all. 259 00:16:59,177 --> 00:17:01,338 They came in, they order a pitcher of beer... 260 00:17:01,413 --> 00:17:05,679 they take it back there into the pool area, and they just kept to themselves. 261 00:17:06,852 --> 00:17:08,717 It was going on for half an hour... 262 00:17:08,787 --> 00:17:12,655 and then I noticed Russell and Aaron had been talking with Matthew Shepard. 263 00:17:13,792 --> 00:17:16,663 Some people are saying he made a pass at them. 264 00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:19,162 Hell, you don't pick up regular people. 265 00:17:20,601 --> 00:17:22,933 Aaron and I have been together for two years. 266 00:17:25,005 --> 00:17:28,702 Aaron said that a guy walked up to him and said he was gay... 267 00:17:28,776 --> 00:17:31,074 and wanted to get with him and Russ. 268 00:17:31,178 --> 00:17:32,770 Aaron's really bad about that. 269 00:17:32,846 --> 00:17:36,304 He doesn't like to be around gay people at all, and neither does Russ. 270 00:17:36,383 --> 00:17:38,908 They just don't like them at all. 271 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,518 So he got aggravated with it and said he was straight... 272 00:17:42,589 --> 00:17:46,616 and he didn't wanna have anything to do with it, and he walked off. 273 00:17:47,027 --> 00:17:49,928 He said that's when him and Russ went into the bathroom... 274 00:17:49,997 --> 00:17:54,457 and decided to pretend that they were gay and get him in the truck and rob him. 275 00:17:54,835 --> 00:17:58,828 They wanted to teach him a lesson not to come on to straight people. 276 00:17:59,373 --> 00:18:03,707 I'm not excusing their actions, but it seems to be partially his fault... 277 00:18:03,777 --> 00:18:07,474 and partially the guys who did it, so, you know... 278 00:18:07,915 --> 00:18:09,712 maybe it's 50-50. 279 00:18:09,817 --> 00:18:12,843 They stated that Matt came on to them, that he approached them. 280 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,550 I absolutely, positively disbelieve and refute that statement 100 percent. 281 00:18:17,624 --> 00:18:20,354 I'll give you two reasons why. One, character reference. 282 00:18:20,427 --> 00:18:24,386 Why would he approach them? He wasn't approaching anyone else in the bar. 283 00:18:24,464 --> 00:18:27,194 Okay, they say he's gay, that he was a flaming gay. 284 00:18:27,267 --> 00:18:28,996 He's gonna come on to people like that. 285 00:18:29,069 --> 00:18:31,799 Bullshit! He never came on to me. I mean, hello! Come on. 286 00:18:31,872 --> 00:18:34,170 He's gonna approach these two guys? Please. 287 00:18:34,241 --> 00:18:38,177 And two, territorialism. Matt was sitting there. 288 00:18:38,245 --> 00:18:40,042 Aaron and Russell were back there. 289 00:18:40,113 --> 00:18:43,276 Upon their first interaction, they were in Matt's area... 290 00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:46,114 the area that he had been seen sitting all night long. 291 00:18:46,186 --> 00:18:47,915 So who approached who by that? 292 00:18:49,056 --> 00:18:51,616 He'd never not talk to someone for any reason. 293 00:18:51,825 --> 00:18:55,420 If someone started talking to him, he'd just be like, "Blah, blah, blah. " 294 00:18:56,630 --> 00:19:00,498 He had no problem just striking up a conversation with anybody. 295 00:19:00,634 --> 00:19:02,295 This is what I'm testifying to... 296 00:19:02,369 --> 00:19:05,133 because basically I'm the key eyewitness in the case. 297 00:19:05,205 --> 00:19:09,005 Basically, I'm going to be testifying that I saw Matthew leave. 298 00:19:09,109 --> 00:19:12,943 I saw two individuals leave with Matthew Shepard, and I didn't see their faces. 299 00:19:13,013 --> 00:19:17,040 I saw the back of their heads. At this time, Mckinney and Henderson aren't around. 300 00:19:17,117 --> 00:19:18,744 You do the math. 301 00:20:05,632 --> 00:20:08,032 I'm not super familiar with that area... 302 00:20:08,835 --> 00:20:13,772 which now makes me think that God wanted me to find him. 303 00:20:15,976 --> 00:20:17,967 I was going for a ride on my bike... 304 00:20:18,779 --> 00:20:23,512 and I noticed something just laying there by the fence. 305 00:20:25,886 --> 00:20:27,820 I think it's a scarecrow. 306 00:20:28,956 --> 00:20:31,049 Halloween's coming up. 307 00:20:31,158 --> 00:20:33,786 I think it's a Halloween gag. 308 00:20:34,695 --> 00:20:38,062 I even noticed his chest moving up and down. 309 00:20:39,032 --> 00:20:43,435 I still thought it was a dummy. I thought it was some kind of mechanism. 310 00:20:45,605 --> 00:20:46,697 But when I... 311 00:20:49,576 --> 00:20:51,100 When I saw hair... 312 00:20:52,946 --> 00:20:54,243 his hair... 313 00:20:57,918 --> 00:20:59,909 I knew it was a human being. 314 00:21:01,388 --> 00:21:02,821 So what'd you do? 315 00:21:04,091 --> 00:21:07,720 I ran to the nearest house as fast as I could and called the police. 316 00:21:09,396 --> 00:21:12,126 The Sheriff's Department held a news conference today. 317 00:21:12,199 --> 00:21:17,034 They're investigating the attempted murder of 22-year-old Matthew Shepard. 318 00:21:17,337 --> 00:21:19,737 The Sheriff says they found the man badly beaten... 319 00:21:19,806 --> 00:21:22,206 and unconscious, tied to a fence last night. 320 00:21:24,211 --> 00:21:26,873 The brutal attack left Matthew Shepard in a coma. 321 00:21:26,947 --> 00:21:30,906 The bicyclist who found him said he first thought it was a scarecrow. 322 00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:32,781 In jail now, charged with the crime... 323 00:21:32,853 --> 00:21:36,220 21-year-old Russell Henderson and Aaron Mckinney, of kidnapping... 324 00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:38,314 The victim, Matthew Shepard... 325 00:21:38,392 --> 00:21:42,089 is in very critical condition at this hour in Poudre Valley Hospital. 326 00:21:48,869 --> 00:21:51,736 The arraignment took place on Friday around lunchtime. 327 00:21:52,406 --> 00:21:54,397 More details about the case had come out... 328 00:21:54,474 --> 00:21:57,807 like the fact that the perpetrators themselves were kids. 329 00:21:58,478 --> 00:22:02,915 kids, local kids, that everyone who's from around here has some relationship to. 330 00:22:09,556 --> 00:22:12,548 So then a judge comes in and does a reading of the facts. 331 00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:18,254 The Defendants, Aaron James Mckinney and Russell Arthur Henderson... 332 00:22:19,032 --> 00:22:21,500 met Matthew Shepard at the Fireside Bar. 333 00:22:22,035 --> 00:22:24,367 After Mr. Shepard confided he was gay... 334 00:22:24,438 --> 00:22:26,804 the subjects deceived Mr. Shepard... 335 00:22:26,873 --> 00:22:30,138 into leaving with them in their vehicle to a remote area. 336 00:22:31,378 --> 00:22:36,372 En route to said location, Mr. Shepard was struck in the head with a pistol... 337 00:22:37,017 --> 00:22:39,451 and upon arrival at said area... 338 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:42,488 both subjects tied their victim to a buck fence... 339 00:22:42,556 --> 00:22:47,357 robbed him, tortured him, and continued to beat and terrorize him. 340 00:22:48,295 --> 00:22:53,164 When I got to the fence, I seen what appeared to be a young man... 341 00:22:53,467 --> 00:22:57,460 13 or 14 years of age, because he was so tiny, laying there... 342 00:22:57,537 --> 00:23:01,166 and he was bound to the bottom of the pole. 343 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:06,104 - What did you do? - I did the best I could. 344 00:23:06,179 --> 00:23:08,647 He was covered in dried blood all over his head. 345 00:23:08,715 --> 00:23:11,582 The only place that there wasn't any blood... 346 00:23:11,885 --> 00:23:15,753 was what appeared to be where he had been crying down his face. 347 00:23:16,123 --> 00:23:17,590 You know... 348 00:23:18,291 --> 00:23:20,282 he did not look normal. 349 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:23,959 I could tell that he had a very harsh head wound. 350 00:23:24,798 --> 00:23:27,164 You expect these kinds of injuries from somebody... 351 00:23:27,234 --> 00:23:30,067 crashing down a hill in a car at 80 miles an hour. 352 00:23:30,137 --> 00:23:33,595 You expect to see gross injuries from something like that... 353 00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,641 this horrendous, terrible thing. 354 00:23:36,510 --> 00:23:40,503 But you don't expect to see someone doing this to another person. 355 00:23:41,047 --> 00:23:43,379 Both defendants were later contacted by officers... 356 00:23:43,450 --> 00:23:47,045 from the Laramie Police Department, who observed inside their pickup... 357 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,214 a credit card and a pair of black patent-leather shoes... 358 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,588 belonging to the victim, Matthew Shepard. 359 00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:56,594 The thing that shocked me is, it was a pristine crime scene. 360 00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:58,327 How do you mean? 361 00:23:58,632 --> 00:24:01,226 The tire tracks, the impressions that the tire made... 362 00:24:01,301 --> 00:24:03,667 they were perfect because of the Sandy soil. 363 00:24:03,737 --> 00:24:07,104 And we found a carpet fragment from inside the truck. 364 00:24:07,174 --> 00:24:09,368 That will always shock me until this day. 365 00:24:09,602 --> 00:24:11,467 In Wyoming, the wind's so strong... 366 00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:15,337 you usually never find something like that at an exterior crime scene. 367 00:24:17,243 --> 00:24:20,337 His hands were thumbs out, what we call the cuffing position. 368 00:24:20,413 --> 00:24:22,643 It's how we handcuff people. 369 00:24:22,982 --> 00:24:25,678 He was tied with a real thin white rope... 370 00:24:26,085 --> 00:24:30,988 and it was wound around the bottom of the pole about four inches off the ground. 371 00:24:32,325 --> 00:24:34,190 His shoes were missing. 372 00:24:35,628 --> 00:24:38,392 He was tied extremely tight, so I used my boot knife. 373 00:24:38,498 --> 00:24:41,365 I tried to slip it in there, between the rope and his wrist. 374 00:24:43,402 --> 00:24:45,597 I had to be extremely careful... 375 00:24:45,671 --> 00:24:48,333 so as not to harm Matthew any further. 376 00:24:49,008 --> 00:24:52,205 I was yelling at him at the top of my lungs, "Hey, wake up!" 377 00:24:52,278 --> 00:24:54,769 Something, just trying to get anything out of him. 378 00:24:55,715 --> 00:24:58,741 He didn't move, he didn't flinch, he didn't anything. 379 00:24:59,318 --> 00:25:03,277 We rolled him over onto his left side. When we did that, he stopped breathing. 380 00:25:03,356 --> 00:25:05,824 I immediately got him back on his back. 381 00:25:06,259 --> 00:25:08,693 And that was just enough of an adjustment. 382 00:25:08,794 --> 00:25:13,595 It gave me just enough room for me to slip my knife in there and to cut him free. 383 00:25:14,867 --> 00:25:18,963 And then Rob drove the ambulance to Ivinson Hospital's emergency room. 384 00:25:19,205 --> 00:25:24,199 Once we saw Matthew, it was obvious that his care was beyond our capabilities. 385 00:25:25,177 --> 00:25:28,112 Phoned the neurosurgeon over at Poudre Valley... 386 00:25:29,215 --> 00:25:33,879 and Matthew was on his way in an hour and 15 minutes, I think. 387 00:25:34,954 --> 00:25:38,412 A couple of days later, they showed me a picture of Matthew. 388 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960 I would have never recognized him. 389 00:25:46,032 --> 00:25:48,193 Said defendants left the victim... 390 00:25:48,668 --> 00:25:52,195 tied to the fence, begging for his life. 391 00:25:55,441 --> 00:25:58,103 You'd like to think it was somebody from out of town... 392 00:25:58,177 --> 00:26:00,737 that's come through and beaten up somebody. 393 00:26:01,347 --> 00:26:04,510 But when you're seeing someone who's been beaten... 394 00:26:04,817 --> 00:26:07,911 repeatedly by someone in our own town... 395 00:26:08,254 --> 00:26:10,381 now that certainly offends us. 396 00:26:10,923 --> 00:26:12,584 And that's a good word. 397 00:26:12,858 --> 00:26:14,519 It offends us. 398 00:26:15,728 --> 00:26:19,528 The defendants will remain in the custody of the County Sheriff's Department... 399 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,033 until dates can be set for their trials. 400 00:26:43,422 --> 00:26:44,821 It was huge. 401 00:26:44,957 --> 00:26:47,926 It was herds, and we are talking hundreds of reporters... 402 00:26:47,994 --> 00:26:50,758 which makes a huge dent in this town's population. 403 00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:53,697 Laramie, Wyoming, often called "the gem city of the plains"... 404 00:26:53,766 --> 00:26:55,461 is now at the eye of the storm. 405 00:26:55,534 --> 00:26:58,594 People would like to think what happened is the exception... 406 00:26:58,671 --> 00:27:03,108 There were reporters everywhere, news trucks in town, on campus... 407 00:27:03,175 --> 00:27:05,643 and we are not used to that type of attention. 408 00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:09,613 Aaron Mckinney and Russell Henderson came from the poor side of town. 409 00:27:09,682 --> 00:27:11,650 This small city that bills itself as... 410 00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:15,551 "Wyoming's hometown" is wrestling with its attitudes towards gay men. 411 00:27:15,688 --> 00:27:17,849 It's tough business, as Matt Shepard knew... 412 00:27:17,923 --> 00:27:21,552 and as all his friends know, to be gay in cowboy country. 413 00:27:21,927 --> 00:27:25,624 And to get that kind of exposure under such tragic circumstances... 414 00:27:25,698 --> 00:27:30,692 under circumstances that we hadn't even wrapped our heads and hearts around... 415 00:27:31,871 --> 00:27:33,964 The majority of people here are good people. 416 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,769 You get bad apples once in a while. 417 00:27:35,841 --> 00:27:37,672 Our citizens are not like that at all. 418 00:27:37,743 --> 00:27:41,304 You people are making my son guilty before he's even had a trial. 419 00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:42,574 How can this happen? 420 00:27:42,648 --> 00:27:46,175 I can't understand how someone can even do something like that. 421 00:27:46,285 --> 00:27:48,651 You have your own lifestyle, you should have it. 422 00:27:48,721 --> 00:27:52,054 - It's pretty much live-and-let-live. - It's live-and-let-live. 423 00:27:52,158 --> 00:27:56,219 I am outraged and sickened by the heinous crime committed on Matthew Shepard. 424 00:27:56,295 --> 00:28:00,925 A young gay man is in a deep coma. It's a crime that goes beyond despicable. 425 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,231 Let it be known in the nation this is not the University of Wyoming. 426 00:28:04,303 --> 00:28:05,531 This is not what we're about. 427 00:28:05,604 --> 00:28:08,630 Had this been a heterosexual, this wouldn't have made the news. 428 00:28:08,708 --> 00:28:11,541 I don't think there's any problem gay people deal with here. 429 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:16,047 We had these guys in jail in less than a day. I think that's pretty damn good. 430 00:28:16,115 --> 00:28:20,176 Hundreds of people are urging Congress to pass a federal law banning hate crimes. 431 00:28:20,252 --> 00:28:23,744 I would like to urge the people of Wyoming against overreacting... 432 00:28:23,823 --> 00:28:26,656 in a way that gives one group special rights over others. 433 00:28:26,726 --> 00:28:29,524 We will wait and see if the vicious beating and torture... 434 00:28:29,595 --> 00:28:32,029 of Matthew Shepard was motivated by hate. 435 00:28:35,301 --> 00:28:37,428 Oh, my God. 436 00:28:39,972 --> 00:28:42,167 Anybody else wanna do this? 437 00:28:52,518 --> 00:28:57,478 Matthew Shepard was admitted in critical condition... 438 00:28:57,723 --> 00:29:00,988 at approximately (:15 on October 7. 439 00:29:01,894 --> 00:29:06,854 When he arrived, he was unresponsive and breathing support was being provided. 440 00:29:07,767 --> 00:29:11,669 Matthew's major injuries upon arrival consisted of hypothermia... 441 00:29:11,737 --> 00:29:15,366 and of a fracture from behind his head... 442 00:29:15,641 --> 00:29:18,303 to just in front of the right ear. 443 00:29:19,612 --> 00:29:24,572 This has caused bleeding in the brain, as well as pressure on the brain. 444 00:29:25,151 --> 00:29:26,914 Friday night the parents arrived... 445 00:29:26,986 --> 00:29:30,888 and I went and introduced myself to Dennis and Judy. 446 00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:34,250 It was awful. Those poor people. 447 00:29:34,794 --> 00:29:39,060 Matthew's temperature has fluctuated over the last 24 hours... 448 00:29:39,131 --> 00:29:42,430 between (8 and 106 degrees. 449 00:29:42,535 --> 00:29:45,333 We arranged a police escort to bring them up. 450 00:29:45,771 --> 00:29:47,898 We set them up in one of our conference rooms... 451 00:29:47,973 --> 00:29:51,067 gave them food around the clock, gave them a place to stay. 452 00:29:51,343 --> 00:29:53,868 The following is a statement from them. 453 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,748 "First of all, we want to thank the American public... " 454 00:29:56,816 --> 00:29:59,216 "for their kind thoughts about Matthew... " 455 00:29:59,285 --> 00:30:02,277 "and their fond wishes for his speedy recovery. " 456 00:30:02,721 --> 00:30:05,349 "We appreciate your prayers and good will... " 457 00:30:05,457 --> 00:30:07,220 "and we know that... " 458 00:30:07,726 --> 00:30:10,559 "they are something that Matthew would appreciate, too. " 459 00:30:10,796 --> 00:30:13,026 I went up and said: 460 00:30:13,966 --> 00:30:17,959 "You all tell me what you want me to do or what you want me to say... " 461 00:30:18,037 --> 00:30:21,336 "or anything you need, and we'll provide it for you. " 462 00:30:21,507 --> 00:30:24,999 "We also have a special request for members of the media. " 463 00:30:25,344 --> 00:30:29,110 "We ask that you respect our privacy, as well as Matthew's... " 464 00:30:29,481 --> 00:30:32,939 "so we can concentrate all of our efforts, thoughts... " 465 00:30:33,719 --> 00:30:35,550 "and love on our son. " 466 00:30:36,121 --> 00:30:38,021 "Thank you very much. " 467 00:30:40,326 --> 00:30:43,454 Russell Henderson and Aaron Mckinney have pled not guilty... 468 00:30:43,529 --> 00:30:46,259 to the charges of kidnapping, aggravated robbery... 469 00:30:46,332 --> 00:30:48,493 and attempted murder in the first degree. 470 00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:50,694 Russell was just so sweet. 471 00:30:50,903 --> 00:30:53,030 He's the one that was the Eagle Scout. 472 00:30:53,105 --> 00:30:57,405 His whole presence was just quiet and sweet. He was raised a Mormon. 473 00:30:57,476 --> 00:31:00,741 He was active in that when he was younger, as an elder in the Church. 474 00:31:00,813 --> 00:31:04,340 Of course it doesn't make sense to me. I know people snap and whatever... 475 00:31:04,416 --> 00:31:08,853 and like I said, it wasn't a real intimate relationship. I was just his landlord. 476 00:31:09,088 --> 00:31:10,749 I remember at the Christmas party... 477 00:31:10,823 --> 00:31:14,623 he was totally drunk out of his mind, you know, like we all were. 478 00:31:15,461 --> 00:31:19,124 He wasn't belligerent. He didn't change. His personality didn't change. 479 00:31:19,198 --> 00:31:22,735 He was still the same little meek Russell. 480 00:31:22,869 --> 00:31:24,302 Aaron was a good kid. 481 00:31:24,370 --> 00:31:26,463 That's why I was shocked when I heard this. 482 00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:30,236 He had been living out with his girl. They just started dating last summer. 483 00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:34,269 They must have gotten pregnant as soon as they started dating. They had a kid. 484 00:31:34,347 --> 00:31:36,975 21 years old, but he's running around with a kid. 485 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:39,480 When I first heard, I thought it was really awful. 486 00:31:39,552 --> 00:31:42,885 I don't know whether Aaron was fucked up or coming down or what... 487 00:31:42,956 --> 00:31:45,151 but Matthew had money. 488 00:31:45,225 --> 00:31:49,161 Shit, he had better clothes than I did. Matthew was a little rich bitch. 489 00:31:49,229 --> 00:31:51,424 You shouldn't call him that. It's not right. 490 00:31:51,497 --> 00:31:53,692 I'm not saying he's a bad guy, I'm just saying... 491 00:31:53,766 --> 00:31:57,293 he's in the wrong place at the wrong time, he said the wrong thing. 492 00:31:57,370 --> 00:32:01,170 Aaron was always dressing up big, you know, big clothes... 493 00:32:02,008 --> 00:32:04,169 Tommy Hilfiger, you know. 494 00:32:04,344 --> 00:32:06,039 Polo, Gucci, I don't know. 495 00:32:06,713 --> 00:32:10,774 It probably pissed him off that Matthew was gay, because he didn't like... 496 00:32:11,918 --> 00:32:15,820 The gay people I've seen him interact with or that I've heard him talk about... 497 00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:19,689 he was fine with as long as they didn't hit on him... 498 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,588 or as long as, you know, it didn't come up. 499 00:32:24,664 --> 00:32:26,928 When I knew Aaron, he was just a young kid. 500 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,959 He was trying to fit in, acting tough, acting cool. But you know what? 501 00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:33,263 You could get in his face about it... 502 00:32:33,339 --> 00:32:36,433 and he would back down like he was some kind of scared kid. 503 00:32:36,776 --> 00:32:40,974 If I saw Aaron right now, I'd just be like, "Why did you fuck up like that?" 504 00:32:41,381 --> 00:32:43,372 I wanna shake him, you know? 505 00:32:43,816 --> 00:32:47,479 "What were you thinking? What in the hell were you thinking?" 506 00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:55,386 Hello? 507 00:32:55,628 --> 00:32:56,856 This is her. 508 00:32:57,497 --> 00:32:59,158 Hi, Doctor. 509 00:33:00,166 --> 00:33:01,292 How is he? 510 00:33:05,171 --> 00:33:06,433 Yes. 511 00:33:09,042 --> 00:33:10,339 I see. 512 00:33:11,844 --> 00:33:13,641 Can you hang on for a moment? 513 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,810 Mom, can you hang this up? I'm gonna take it in there. 514 00:33:20,586 --> 00:33:21,780 I'm here. 515 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:24,884 Yes. 516 00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:27,222 The part I wasn't telling you about before... 517 00:33:28,461 --> 00:33:30,622 is that Reggie Fluty is my daughter. 518 00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:35,126 When she told me she wanted to be a police officer... 519 00:33:35,201 --> 00:33:37,533 I thought there was not a better choice for her. 520 00:33:37,603 --> 00:33:40,197 She could handle whatever came her way. 521 00:33:42,075 --> 00:33:43,838 And then this happens. 522 00:33:49,515 --> 00:33:51,278 That was the hospital. 523 00:33:55,321 --> 00:33:58,688 Matthew Shepard is HIV positive, and... 524 00:33:59,926 --> 00:34:02,053 they said I've been exposed. 525 00:34:02,829 --> 00:34:03,829 What? 526 00:34:08,568 --> 00:34:11,503 They said I've been exposed to the AIDS virus. 527 00:34:13,172 --> 00:34:17,040 Because I've been building the lean-tos for the llamas... 528 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:20,737 and I have a bunch of open cuts on my hands, and... 529 00:34:22,048 --> 00:34:25,347 I got his blood on my hands. 530 00:34:25,885 --> 00:34:28,285 How did you get it on your hands? 531 00:34:28,421 --> 00:34:32,380 We have shit gloves, you know, and I kept putting them on and... 532 00:34:32,492 --> 00:34:35,427 you keep putting them on, and they keep breaking, so... 533 00:34:35,962 --> 00:34:38,522 finally, I ran out. 534 00:34:39,165 --> 00:34:41,998 You touched him without gloves? 535 00:34:43,736 --> 00:34:46,296 You cannot let a human being just sit there. 536 00:34:46,372 --> 00:34:47,372 Reggie! 537 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,840 Don't hesitate, that's what goes through your mind. 538 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:51,968 Don't hesitate, all the time. 539 00:34:52,045 --> 00:34:56,209 So you just keep on moving, and you take care of Matthew... 540 00:34:56,282 --> 00:35:00,241 and you try to find an open airway, and that's what you do. 541 00:35:01,521 --> 00:35:04,251 Quite frankly, I wanted to lash out at somebody. 542 00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:10,792 Not Matthew, please understand that. Not one of us was mad at Matthew. 543 00:35:11,297 --> 00:35:14,755 We maybe wanted to squeeze Mckinney's head off. 544 00:35:15,301 --> 00:35:17,633 And I think about Henderson... 545 00:35:18,037 --> 00:35:20,505 You know, two absolutely... 546 00:35:21,574 --> 00:35:25,943 human beings caused so much grief for so many people. 547 00:35:26,446 --> 00:35:29,438 They wanna start me on these AZT drugs immediately. 548 00:35:29,682 --> 00:35:31,445 If you... 549 00:35:32,785 --> 00:35:35,049 if you start them within 36 hours... 550 00:35:35,121 --> 00:35:38,318 maybe that can stop you from getting the disease. 551 00:35:39,392 --> 00:35:41,860 This has been just terrible for my whole family... 552 00:35:41,928 --> 00:35:44,419 but mostly for her and her kids. 553 00:35:44,764 --> 00:35:47,756 Those drugs, the AZT drugs. 554 00:35:49,335 --> 00:35:51,030 She throws up every day. 555 00:35:51,437 --> 00:35:54,372 She cries so much, she's afraid to touch her kids. 556 00:35:56,042 --> 00:35:58,374 I just hope she doesn't go before me. 557 00:36:22,835 --> 00:36:25,531 No matter how you dice it, I did have the opportunity. 558 00:36:26,806 --> 00:36:29,570 If I had had amazing 20-20 hindsight... 559 00:36:29,642 --> 00:36:34,636 I had the opportunity to stop what occurred that night. I could have. 560 00:36:34,881 --> 00:36:37,873 I should have known these guys shouldn't be talking to him. 561 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:39,508 I shouldn't have had my head down... 562 00:36:39,585 --> 00:36:41,883 while I was washing dishes for those 20 seconds. 563 00:36:41,954 --> 00:36:45,720 All those little things I could've done, and I could've stopped this. 564 00:36:46,993 --> 00:36:48,893 So what the hell was I thinking? 565 00:36:53,466 --> 00:36:56,128 And I keep seeing that picture in my head... 566 00:36:56,202 --> 00:36:58,067 of when I found him. 567 00:36:58,838 --> 00:37:01,238 And it is not pleasant whatsoever. 568 00:37:01,307 --> 00:37:04,299 I wanna get it out. I don't want it in there. 569 00:37:06,345 --> 00:37:09,781 That's a big part of it for me, having to see that picture... 570 00:37:11,717 --> 00:37:15,710 in my head. I just don't want it in there. 571 00:37:18,524 --> 00:37:21,721 Matthew Shepard's the first gay person I ever saw. 572 00:37:22,595 --> 00:37:26,895 It's kind of unbelievable to me that I was the person that found him... 573 00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,635 because the big question with my religion is: 574 00:37:32,305 --> 00:37:34,432 Why did God want me to find him? 575 00:37:35,541 --> 00:37:39,409 "Let your light shine. " 576 00:37:39,779 --> 00:37:43,112 "In the darkness. " 577 00:37:43,482 --> 00:37:47,919 "Before the dawn. " 578 00:37:48,287 --> 00:37:52,223 "No more sorrow. " 579 00:37:52,592 --> 00:37:56,892 "In the nighttime" 580 00:37:56,963 --> 00:37:59,864 "let it shine. " 581 00:37:59,932 --> 00:38:03,959 "Oh, lord, let it shine. " 582 00:38:04,036 --> 00:38:07,130 Candlelight vigils were held around the country last night. 583 00:38:09,275 --> 00:38:12,073 Denver, Fort Collins, Detroit, Chicago... 584 00:38:12,144 --> 00:38:14,408 Washington DC, Atlanta... 585 00:38:17,483 --> 00:38:20,043 All expressing hopes for Matthew's full recovery. 586 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,882 I can't stop crying. 587 00:38:21,921 --> 00:38:24,614 This is what I was trying to stop. 588 00:38:24,782 --> 00:38:29,151 We must do more to deal... 589 00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:32,155 with violent bigotry, hate crimes... 590 00:38:32,423 --> 00:38:36,951 I hope that in the grief of this moment and in the shared outrage across America... 591 00:38:37,795 --> 00:38:40,662 Americans will once again search their hearts... 592 00:38:41,332 --> 00:38:44,995 and do what they can to reduce their own fear and anxiety... 593 00:38:45,570 --> 00:38:48,505 and anger at people who are different. 594 00:38:49,007 --> 00:38:53,205 And I hope that Congress will pass the hate crimes legislation. 595 00:39:08,526 --> 00:39:11,893 I think the gay community is taking this as an advantage: 596 00:39:12,063 --> 00:39:14,896 "This is a good time for us to exploit this. " 597 00:39:14,966 --> 00:39:17,992 They made it sound like it was ten murders instead of one. 598 00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:22,199 They're accusing the ranchers of being unreasonable and unsympathetic... 599 00:39:22,273 --> 00:39:23,706 because of how he was... 600 00:39:23,775 --> 00:39:25,470 And what his persuasions were. 601 00:39:25,543 --> 00:39:28,478 Well, he would certainly be welcome in our home. 602 00:39:28,946 --> 00:39:31,847 We'd visit, sit down, have a cup of coffee. 603 00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:36,117 What did you think when you heard two boys from your town did this? 604 00:39:36,187 --> 00:39:38,747 I certainly don't approve of homosexuals... 605 00:39:39,324 --> 00:39:42,919 but I don't think anybody has a right to do what those two boys did. 606 00:39:42,994 --> 00:39:46,395 Where do you think that comes from, their hatred towards homosexuals? 607 00:39:46,597 --> 00:39:51,057 I think what most people fear in the gay community... 608 00:39:51,135 --> 00:39:53,865 is that sexuality is their number one concern. 609 00:39:53,938 --> 00:39:55,530 Not many people condone it... 610 00:39:55,606 --> 00:39:58,302 When you wear it on your sleeve like a banner... 611 00:39:58,609 --> 00:40:02,477 There's this whole idea, "You leave me alone, I leave you alone. " 612 00:40:02,547 --> 00:40:05,948 It's even in some of the western literature. "live and let live. " 613 00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:10,644 That is such crap. Basically, what it boils down to... 614 00:40:10,722 --> 00:40:14,818 if I don't tell you I'm a fag, you won't beat the crap out of me. 615 00:40:15,393 --> 00:40:17,020 What's so great about that? 616 00:40:18,029 --> 00:40:19,792 That's a great philosophy? 617 00:40:20,331 --> 00:40:23,164 I'll sit in church and the reverend will tell you flat out... 618 00:40:23,234 --> 00:40:25,702 he does not agree with homosexuality, right? 619 00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:28,432 I don't feel like I know enough about certain things... 620 00:40:28,506 --> 00:40:31,339 just to be able to say that homosexuality is right... 621 00:40:31,409 --> 00:40:35,106 when I've been raised my whole life that homosexuality is wrong. 622 00:40:35,179 --> 00:40:37,704 My parents brought me up Catholic. 623 00:40:37,949 --> 00:40:41,510 I was brought up to love the sinner, hate the sin. 624 00:40:42,186 --> 00:40:44,677 Love the person for who they are, but condemn them... 625 00:40:44,756 --> 00:40:47,190 for what they do. Condemn the lifestyle. 626 00:40:47,258 --> 00:40:49,385 I would have to say now I don't agree with it. 627 00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:52,793 I don't agree, and maybe that's just because I couldn't do it... 628 00:40:53,531 --> 00:40:55,761 but I don't hate them, I won't persecute them. 629 00:40:55,833 --> 00:40:59,234 I'm not gonna let this get in between me and the other person at all... 630 00:40:59,303 --> 00:41:00,964 or in between you and I. 631 00:41:01,038 --> 00:41:02,630 Not at all. 632 00:41:03,207 --> 00:41:06,540 It's preached in schools that being gay is okay. 633 00:41:07,845 --> 00:41:11,110 If my kids asked me, I'd set them down and I'd tell them: 634 00:41:11,182 --> 00:41:13,377 "This is what gay people do. " 635 00:41:13,785 --> 00:41:15,946 "This is what animals do, okay?" 636 00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:20,548 I'd tell them, "This is the life. This is the lifestyle. This is what they do. " 637 00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:24,951 And I'd say, "This is why I believe it's wrong. " 638 00:41:25,129 --> 00:41:27,893 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 639 00:41:33,438 --> 00:41:37,670 In New York, the protests for Matthew Shepard turned into a near riot. 640 00:41:37,742 --> 00:41:40,506 Police on horses were pushing into the crowds. 641 00:41:50,621 --> 00:41:52,919 The whole world is watching! 642 00:41:59,130 --> 00:42:03,897 As of (:00 A.M. today, Matthew Shepard remains in critical condition... 643 00:42:03,968 --> 00:42:07,927 with severe head injuries in the surgical neuro intensive care unit. 644 00:42:09,841 --> 00:42:14,107 As I told you before, it's not a lifestyle with which I agree. 645 00:42:14,812 --> 00:42:16,336 You still feel that way? 646 00:42:17,181 --> 00:42:18,205 Yes. 647 00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:21,612 The family continues to emphasize... 648 00:42:22,153 --> 00:42:24,815 that the media respect their privacy. 649 00:42:24,889 --> 00:42:28,188 The family also wants to thank the American public... 650 00:42:28,326 --> 00:42:32,194 for their concern and kind thoughts for Matthew. 651 00:42:32,263 --> 00:42:34,390 We went to the candle vigil and... 652 00:42:34,665 --> 00:42:37,964 it was so good to be with people who felt like shit. 653 00:42:38,302 --> 00:42:41,635 I kept feeling like I don't deserve to feel this bad. 654 00:42:42,173 --> 00:42:43,970 Somebody got up and said, "Come on... " 655 00:42:44,041 --> 00:42:47,442 "let's show the world that Laramie is not this kind of a town. " 656 00:42:47,512 --> 00:42:49,480 But it is this kind of a town. 657 00:42:50,281 --> 00:42:52,647 If it wasn't, then why did this happen here? 658 00:42:52,717 --> 00:42:55,845 I mean, that's a lie, because it happened here. 659 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,185 So how could it not be a town where this kind of thing happens? 660 00:42:59,257 --> 00:43:01,122 How can you even say that? 661 00:43:01,492 --> 00:43:06,088 We have to mourn this, and we have to be sad, but we live in a town... 662 00:43:06,664 --> 00:43:09,997 a state, a country where shit like this happens. 663 00:43:10,401 --> 00:43:13,234 People are trying to distance themselves from this crime... 664 00:43:13,304 --> 00:43:17,138 and we need to own this crime, I feel. Everyone needs to own it. 665 00:43:17,975 --> 00:43:19,499 We are like this. 666 00:43:20,611 --> 00:43:24,138 We are like this. We are like this. 667 00:43:25,049 --> 00:43:28,382 Not having to deal that much with the gay community here in Laramie... 668 00:43:28,452 --> 00:43:31,580 once we started working into the case and actually... 669 00:43:31,989 --> 00:43:36,221 talking to people that were gay, realizing what their underlying fears were... 670 00:43:36,594 --> 00:43:38,926 that's when it sort of hit home. 671 00:43:39,797 --> 00:43:41,321 This is America. 672 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,760 You don't have the right to feel that fear. 673 00:43:43,834 --> 00:43:46,496 Do you think a lot of people in Laramie feel the same way? 674 00:43:46,571 --> 00:43:49,938 We're always gonna have people that hold up the old ideals... 675 00:43:50,174 --> 00:43:52,836 and I was probably one of them 14 months ago. 676 00:43:53,344 --> 00:43:56,279 But I'm not gonna put up with it anymore or listen to it. 677 00:43:56,347 --> 00:44:00,044 And if they don't like my views on it, fine. The door goes both ways. 678 00:44:00,785 --> 00:44:04,152 I've already lost a couple of buddies, but I don't care. 679 00:44:05,823 --> 00:44:07,688 I feel more comfortable... 680 00:44:08,392 --> 00:44:10,189 and I can sleep at night now. 681 00:44:11,929 --> 00:44:15,797 - I really wanna thank you for having us. - Sure, it's our pleasure. 682 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,194 These gatherings, this is a recent thing for us. 683 00:44:19,637 --> 00:44:22,003 This really only happened since Matthew. 684 00:44:22,073 --> 00:44:24,405 And there's a relief in that we finally connected. 685 00:44:24,475 --> 00:44:27,308 It's nice to see there are a lot of us in Laramie. 686 00:44:28,613 --> 00:44:30,547 Is everybody in the company gay? 687 00:44:30,615 --> 00:44:32,480 No, just the three of us. 688 00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:34,609 - Are you out? - Yes. 689 00:44:35,286 --> 00:44:37,948 I wasn't out before, actually. 690 00:44:38,055 --> 00:44:42,754 But I thought, "Probably they all know, but I'm not gonna tell anyone. " 691 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:46,257 In the long run, your self-esteem just becomes shit... 692 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:49,092 and I just couldn't live like that anymore. 693 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,135 A lot of people decided that they didn't wanna hide anymore. 694 00:44:52,203 --> 00:44:56,731 I still don't feel that free to be out here. No one's asking, I'm not telling. 695 00:44:56,974 --> 00:45:00,910 I've always been out and I know how to take care of myself, but... 696 00:45:01,312 --> 00:45:04,076 since the episode, I've been irrationally terrified... 697 00:45:04,148 --> 00:45:08,175 and what that means is, we don't let our son walk around at night alone. 698 00:45:08,252 --> 00:45:12,052 Every time I see a pickup truck do a U-turn, I think it's coming after me... 699 00:45:12,123 --> 00:45:15,149 and I'm shaking so badly, I have to stop what I'm doing. 700 00:45:15,226 --> 00:45:17,091 I think it's because... 701 00:45:17,194 --> 00:45:20,721 somewhere inside, we all know it could happen to us anytime. 702 00:45:30,412 --> 00:45:32,380 Since our last medical update... 703 00:45:32,481 --> 00:45:37,180 Matthew Shepard has remained in critical condition with severe head injuries. 704 00:45:37,252 --> 00:45:40,619 As of today, the hospital will no longer offer... 705 00:45:40,689 --> 00:45:43,351 medical updates on a scheduled basis. 706 00:45:43,425 --> 00:45:46,986 If Matthew's medical condition changes... 707 00:45:47,062 --> 00:45:49,462 we will issue a new medical update... 708 00:45:49,531 --> 00:45:54,491 and we will immediately contact as many members of the media as is possible. 709 00:45:54,736 --> 00:45:55,998 Thank you. 710 00:45:59,074 --> 00:46:03,340 All eyes are on Laramie, Wyoming, today, where many are turning their focus... 711 00:46:03,478 --> 00:46:05,241 to their homecoming parade... 712 00:46:05,314 --> 00:46:09,216 and the fortunes of the University of Wyoming football team. 713 00:46:28,704 --> 00:46:32,071 This apartment has windows on two opposite streets. 714 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:34,631 One goes north and the other goes south. 715 00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:38,168 That is exactly the homecoming parade route. 716 00:46:40,415 --> 00:46:44,511 On the day of the parade, I had a cast on my leg because of a fall... 717 00:46:44,586 --> 00:46:49,285 and I was very disappointed because I had heard that some students... 718 00:46:49,758 --> 00:46:52,591 were gonna be walking for Matthew Shepard... 719 00:46:52,961 --> 00:46:57,193 and I wanted to join them, but I couldn't, so I watched from that window. 720 00:46:57,432 --> 00:46:58,660 It was just... 721 00:47:00,068 --> 00:47:03,231 I'm 52 years old and I'm... 722 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,570 I'm gay. 723 00:47:06,675 --> 00:47:10,771 I've lived here for many years and I've seen a lot. 724 00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:15,783 And I was very moved when I saw the tag... 725 00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:19,114 at the end of the homecoming parade. 726 00:47:26,595 --> 00:47:31,032 It was just a group of people walking behind a banner for Matthew Shepard. 727 00:47:40,008 --> 00:47:44,104 But the parade, it went down to the end of the block... 728 00:47:44,379 --> 00:47:46,506 made a U-turn around the block... 729 00:47:46,581 --> 00:47:48,879 and I came to the other side of my apartment... 730 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:51,475 to watch for it to come south down this street. 731 00:47:53,355 --> 00:47:56,256 Maybe 10 minutes went by. 732 00:48:00,195 --> 00:48:02,891 And then I saw the most... 733 00:48:03,632 --> 00:48:05,463 incredible thing. 734 00:48:08,704 --> 00:48:10,638 As the parade came down the street... 735 00:48:10,706 --> 00:48:13,732 the number of people marching for Matthew Shepard... 736 00:48:13,809 --> 00:48:16,710 had grown, like, five times. 737 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,203 Can you imagine? 738 00:48:19,681 --> 00:48:21,444 The tag at the end... 739 00:48:22,017 --> 00:48:24,542 was bigger than the entire parade. 740 00:48:37,032 --> 00:48:38,727 I thought to myself: 741 00:48:39,634 --> 00:48:43,035 "Thank God I got to see this in my lifetime. " 742 00:48:45,073 --> 00:48:47,166 And my second thought was: 743 00:48:49,177 --> 00:48:51,168 "Thank you, Matthew. " 744 00:49:00,956 --> 00:49:03,948 I really haven't been all that involved, per se. 745 00:49:05,026 --> 00:49:09,690 My husband's a highway patrolman. That's the only way I've known about it. 746 00:49:10,265 --> 00:49:12,563 But when I first found out... 747 00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:14,828 I just thought it was horrible. 748 00:49:16,104 --> 00:49:17,128 I just... 749 00:49:18,907 --> 00:49:20,238 I can't... 750 00:49:20,876 --> 00:49:22,639 Nobody deserves that. 751 00:49:24,446 --> 00:49:26,107 I don't care who you are. 752 00:49:26,748 --> 00:49:30,707 But I have to tell you, the media's portraying him as a Saint. 753 00:49:31,653 --> 00:49:34,816 They're making him out as a martyr, and I don't think he was. 754 00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:36,750 Did you know him? 755 00:49:37,192 --> 00:49:39,524 No, I didn't know him... 756 00:49:39,828 --> 00:49:42,729 but there's so many things... 757 00:49:42,798 --> 00:49:45,858 I found about him, it's just scary. 758 00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:50,663 About his character, and... 759 00:49:51,306 --> 00:49:54,434 spreading AIDS, and a few other things. 760 00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:56,641 You know, being... 761 00:49:57,312 --> 00:49:59,337 About the kind of person he was. 762 00:49:59,648 --> 00:50:00,842 Meaning? 763 00:50:02,617 --> 00:50:03,811 Well... 764 00:50:04,486 --> 00:50:05,919 He was... 765 00:50:06,621 --> 00:50:08,248 He was just... 766 00:50:11,026 --> 00:50:12,550 a barfly. 767 00:50:13,428 --> 00:50:15,362 So, I think he... 768 00:50:15,597 --> 00:50:20,159 pushed himself on, around or, I don't know. But I think he flaunted it. 769 00:50:21,903 --> 00:50:23,734 Another thing that wasn't brought out. 770 00:50:23,805 --> 00:50:27,332 Same time that happened, that patrolman was killed and there was nothing. 771 00:50:27,676 --> 00:50:30,702 They didn't say anything about that old man that killed him. 772 00:50:30,779 --> 00:50:32,371 He was driving down the road. 773 00:50:32,447 --> 00:50:34,642 He shouldn't have been driving and he killed him. 774 00:50:34,716 --> 00:50:36,616 And there was just a little piece. 775 00:50:37,619 --> 00:50:39,644 And we lost one of our guys. 776 00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:43,447 You know, my husband worked with him. 777 00:50:43,992 --> 00:50:46,552 This man was brand new on the force. 778 00:50:47,229 --> 00:50:49,595 But, I mean, here's one of ours... 779 00:50:50,232 --> 00:50:52,928 and it was just a little piece in the paper. 780 00:50:53,502 --> 00:50:56,665 But this was such a deliberate crime. 781 00:50:59,908 --> 00:51:01,671 Everybody's got problems. 782 00:51:03,478 --> 00:51:07,039 But why they're exemplifying Matthew Shepard, I don't know. 783 00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:11,613 A hate crime is a hate crime. You murder somebody, you hate them. 784 00:51:11,686 --> 00:51:16,020 It has nothing to do if you're a gay or a prostitute or... 785 00:51:16,224 --> 00:51:17,555 I don't know. 786 00:51:21,396 --> 00:51:22,886 I don't understand. 787 00:51:26,268 --> 00:51:27,667 I don't understand. 788 00:51:36,978 --> 00:51:41,779 November 29, 1998. We're about to interview Father Roger Schmit. 789 00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:45,442 Here we go. Two queers and a Catholic priest. 790 00:51:46,788 --> 00:51:48,449 Matthew Shepard... 791 00:51:49,558 --> 00:51:51,423 has served us well. 792 00:51:52,994 --> 00:51:55,519 You realize that? He has served us well. 793 00:51:56,298 --> 00:51:58,095 I cannot mention anyone... 794 00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:01,567 who has done more for this community than Matthew Shepard. 795 00:52:02,637 --> 00:52:07,631 And I'm not gonna sit here and say, "I was just this bold guy, no fear. " 796 00:52:08,143 --> 00:52:09,906 I was scared. 797 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,842 I was very vocal in this community when this happened... 798 00:52:13,915 --> 00:52:17,544 so I thought, "Should we call the Bishop... " 799 00:52:18,019 --> 00:52:20,988 "and ask him permission to do the vigil?" 800 00:52:21,089 --> 00:52:22,420 And I was like: 801 00:52:23,725 --> 00:52:26,888 "Hell, no, I'm not going to do that. " 802 00:52:26,962 --> 00:52:29,931 "His permission doesn't make it correct. " 803 00:52:30,131 --> 00:52:31,928 And I'm not knocking bishops... 804 00:52:32,334 --> 00:52:35,064 but what is correct is correct. 805 00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:39,754 You think violence is what they did to Matthew? 806 00:52:40,388 --> 00:52:42,754 They did do violence to Matthew. 807 00:52:43,258 --> 00:52:44,657 But, you know... 808 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,619 Can I make this personal? 809 00:52:47,729 --> 00:52:49,219 Yeah. Sure. 810 00:52:49,598 --> 00:52:53,466 Every time you are called a fag... 811 00:52:54,436 --> 00:52:57,667 or you are called a lez or... 812 00:52:57,739 --> 00:53:00,970 - Or a dyke. - Dyke, yeah, dyke. 813 00:53:01,743 --> 00:53:05,804 Do you realize that is violence? That is the seed of violence. 814 00:53:05,881 --> 00:53:10,841 I would resent it immensely if you use anything I said to... 815 00:53:11,319 --> 00:53:14,618 somehow cultivate that kind of violence. 816 00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:17,818 Well, thank you, Father, for saying that. 817 00:53:17,893 --> 00:53:20,794 Just deal with what is true. 818 00:53:20,929 --> 00:53:23,625 You know what is true. 819 00:53:26,067 --> 00:53:29,628 You need to do your best to say it correct. 820 00:53:32,007 --> 00:53:35,465 These people trust us, you know. They want... 821 00:53:36,444 --> 00:53:39,971 They want everyone to know that they are not this crime. 822 00:53:43,551 --> 00:53:48,250 And it's more than clearing Laramie's name, it's clearing their own, and... 823 00:53:48,924 --> 00:53:51,051 I don't know that we can do that. 824 00:53:59,634 --> 00:54:00,760 Reverend? 825 00:54:00,835 --> 00:54:02,359 - Reverend, hi. - Yes? 826 00:54:02,437 --> 00:54:04,564 I'm Amanda. I'm with the theatre company... 827 00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,005 that's been speaking with people here in Laramie. 828 00:54:07,075 --> 00:54:10,374 I see. Well, let me tell you... 829 00:54:11,446 --> 00:54:15,974 I don't know that I really want to talk with anybody at all about this incident. 830 00:54:16,051 --> 00:54:20,613 I'm somewhat involved, and I really don't feel like it's appropriate. 831 00:54:20,855 --> 00:54:24,848 I completely understand. I just wanted to tell you, I went to your service. 832 00:54:24,926 --> 00:54:26,791 - You went to the services? - Yes, I did. 833 00:54:26,861 --> 00:54:28,453 - On Sunday? - Yes. 834 00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:30,725 - Did I meet you? - Briefly. 835 00:54:30,999 --> 00:54:32,694 You welcomed us in the beginning. 836 00:54:33,435 --> 00:54:34,697 I see. 837 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,696 I will tell you that I am involved. 838 00:54:39,407 --> 00:54:41,204 Half the people in the case... 839 00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:45,109 The girlfriend of the accused is a member of our congregation... 840 00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:47,148 and one of the accused has visited. 841 00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:48,407 Right. 842 00:54:48,483 --> 00:54:50,678 I think they deserve the death penalty... 843 00:54:50,752 --> 00:54:54,688 but I will try to deal with them spiritually. 844 00:54:56,224 --> 00:54:58,124 As far as the victim... 845 00:55:00,061 --> 00:55:04,623 I know that that lifestyle is legal, but I will tell you one thing. 846 00:55:04,699 --> 00:55:07,224 I hope Matthew Shepard... 847 00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:10,634 as he was tied to that fence... 848 00:55:11,206 --> 00:55:15,199 that he had time to reflect on a moment when... 849 00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:19,874 somebody had spoken the Word of the lord to him... 850 00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:24,375 and that before he slipped into a coma... 851 00:55:24,619 --> 00:55:28,715 he had a chance to reflect on his lifestyle. 852 00:55:34,329 --> 00:55:37,696 Thank you, Reverend, I appreciate your speaking with me. 853 00:55:37,766 --> 00:55:39,961 All right. We better go. 854 00:55:49,911 --> 00:55:52,971 I let him say that to me. 855 00:55:53,114 --> 00:55:56,641 I let him say that to me, and I didn't say anything back. 856 00:56:22,977 --> 00:56:27,004 At midnight, on Monday, October 12... 857 00:56:27,482 --> 00:56:31,179 Matthew Shepard's blood pressure began to drop. 858 00:56:31,653 --> 00:56:36,613 We immediately notified the family, who were already at the hospital. 859 00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:40,958 At 12:53 A.M... 860 00:56:41,463 --> 00:56:43,431 Matthew Shepard died. 861 00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:47,831 His family was at his bedside. 862 00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:52,067 The family did release the following statement. 863 00:56:52,674 --> 00:56:57,373 They again asked me to express their sincerest gratitude... 864 00:56:58,446 --> 00:57:00,038 to the entire world... 865 00:57:00,115 --> 00:57:03,983 for the overwhelming response to their son. 866 00:57:05,453 --> 00:57:09,412 The family was grateful that they did not have to... 867 00:57:09,491 --> 00:57:14,394 make a decision regarding whether or not to continue life support for their son. 868 00:57:15,697 --> 00:57:19,599 "Like a good son, he was caring to the end... " 869 00:57:19,834 --> 00:57:22,701 "and removed guilt or stress from the family. " 870 00:57:24,139 --> 00:57:26,505 "He came into the world premature... " 871 00:57:26,808 --> 00:57:29,276 "and left the world premature. " 872 00:57:30,745 --> 00:57:32,804 "Matthew's mother said:" 873 00:57:36,084 --> 00:57:37,312 "'Go... "' 874 00:57:48,163 --> 00:57:51,530 We'd been up for 72 hours straight... 875 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:54,568 and had gone home and gone to sleep for half an hour... 876 00:57:54,636 --> 00:57:58,299 and get up and come, maybe I was just way... 877 00:57:58,673 --> 00:57:59,935 I don't know. 878 00:58:01,009 --> 00:58:05,343 While I was reading that statement, I thought about my own four daughters. 879 00:58:05,847 --> 00:58:08,372 She doesn't have her kid anymore. 880 00:58:11,452 --> 00:58:12,817 "'Go home... " 881 00:58:14,122 --> 00:58:15,953 "'... give your kids a hug... " 882 00:58:20,161 --> 00:58:24,257 "'... and don't let a day go by without telling them that you love them. "' 883 00:58:26,134 --> 00:58:31,037 And then we started getting people sending us all these E-mails and letters. 884 00:58:31,172 --> 00:58:36,041 "Do you cry like a baby on TV for all your patients, or just the fagots?" 885 00:58:37,212 --> 00:58:38,474 Jesus. 886 00:58:39,414 --> 00:58:42,212 After being thrown into this... 887 00:58:42,283 --> 00:58:46,947 I guess I didn't understand the magnitude with which some people hate. 888 00:58:48,489 --> 00:58:52,084 And of all the letters we got, there were two or three like that. 889 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,219 Most were: 890 00:58:54,329 --> 00:58:58,663 "Thanks for your caring and compassion. " 891 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,524 And Matthew... 892 00:59:03,705 --> 00:59:07,072 Matthew got caring and compassion... 893 00:59:07,141 --> 00:59:09,541 from the moment he got here. 894 00:59:17,151 --> 00:59:20,552 The charges against Russell Henderson and Aaron Mckinney... 895 00:59:20,622 --> 00:59:25,423 were upgraded to first-degree murder after Matthew Shepard died on Monday. 896 00:59:25,493 --> 00:59:29,361 If convicted, the two men could face the death penalty. 897 00:59:30,465 --> 00:59:31,932 I'll tell you what. 898 00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:34,291 If they put those two boys to death... 899 00:59:34,369 --> 00:59:37,736 it would defeat everything that Matt would be thinking about them. 900 00:59:37,805 --> 00:59:40,365 Because he would not want those two to die. 901 00:59:40,441 --> 00:59:44,002 He'd wanna leave them with hope. H- O-P-E. 902 00:59:44,212 --> 00:59:47,010 Just like the whole world hoped... 903 00:59:47,081 --> 00:59:48,912 that Matt would survive, right? 904 00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:53,289 This whole thing, you see what I'm saying, this whole thing ropes around hope. 905 00:59:53,365 --> 00:59:55,299 H- O-P-E. 906 01:00:10,582 --> 01:00:14,484 On the day of the funeral, it was snowing and raining so bad. 907 01:00:14,552 --> 01:00:17,646 By the time I got there, there were already thousands of people. 908 01:00:17,722 --> 01:00:20,122 Dressed in black. Umbrellas everywhere. 909 01:00:20,458 --> 01:00:24,622 They had two churches set up and still there were hundreds of people outside... 910 01:00:24,696 --> 01:00:26,323 who couldn't fit inside. 911 01:00:26,398 --> 01:00:29,731 They had this park set up, and the park was full. 912 01:00:36,875 --> 01:00:40,971 "Thou shalt not lie down with mankind as with womankind. 913 01:00:41,046 --> 01:00:46,006 "It is abomination. " Matthew Shepard lived his life breaking that commandment! 914 01:00:46,184 --> 01:00:49,449 If he repented in his dying hours, we hope he did, if not... 915 01:00:49,521 --> 01:00:53,389 he is in Hell along with those killers. Do you believe in the Bible? 916 01:00:53,458 --> 01:00:56,689 You believe you're supposed to separate the precious from the vile? 917 01:00:56,761 --> 01:01:00,925 You don't believe that part of the Bible. You stand there, ignorant of the fact... 918 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,705 After seeing Phelps protesting at Matthew's funeral... 919 01:01:11,776 --> 01:01:15,906 and then hearing that he's coming back to Laramie for Russell Henderson's trial... 920 01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:19,746 I decided that someone needs to stand toe-to-toe and show the difference. 921 01:01:19,818 --> 01:01:23,447 Some people are gonna be sent to Hell! 922 01:01:23,755 --> 01:01:26,155 And I think you know who you are! 923 01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:32,252 Nobody wouldn't be here if this was just a murder that the state was gonna handle. 924 01:01:32,330 --> 01:01:35,356 The state handles hundreds of murders. 925 01:01:35,433 --> 01:01:39,699 This murder is different because the gays... 926 01:01:39,771 --> 01:01:41,602 He's not even from Laramie. 927 01:01:41,673 --> 01:01:45,404 He just travels around the country doing these demonstrations. 928 01:01:51,783 --> 01:01:56,243 So we're planning an event. We're calling it "Angel Action. " 929 01:01:56,855 --> 01:02:00,382 This 21-year-old little lesbian is gonna walk the line with him. 930 01:02:03,728 --> 01:02:05,195 Fear not! 931 01:02:05,397 --> 01:02:08,332 You lift up your voice like a trumpet... 932 01:02:09,501 --> 01:02:13,460 and you show my people their transgressions! 933 01:02:13,538 --> 01:02:15,870 We are sending the message of God! 934 01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:18,268 God's anger is pure. 935 01:02:18,343 --> 01:02:22,006 And God is gonna send someone to Hell! 936 01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:24,912 That's God's anger! 937 01:02:25,483 --> 01:02:27,678 Now, we wouldn't be here... 938 01:02:40,632 --> 01:02:45,535 Do you want your sons and daughters to be taught by fagots... 939 01:02:45,603 --> 01:02:47,332 in your schools? 940 01:02:47,405 --> 01:02:49,236 We're not gonna let that happen! 941 01:03:11,362 --> 01:03:13,728 As soon as they started jury selection... 942 01:03:13,798 --> 01:03:16,164 everyone was coming into my shop with: 943 01:03:16,234 --> 01:03:19,965 "I don't wanna be on this trial. I hope they don't call me," or: 944 01:03:20,305 --> 01:03:23,206 "Oh, my God, I got called. How do I get off?" 945 01:03:23,541 --> 01:03:27,500 Just wanting to get as far away from it as they could. 946 01:03:27,846 --> 01:03:32,180 Very fearful that they were gonna have to be part of that jury. 947 01:03:33,618 --> 01:03:37,611 Then I heard Henderson had to sit in the courtroom... 948 01:03:38,122 --> 01:03:40,716 while they questioned prospective jurors. 949 01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:43,759 And one of the questions they asked was: 950 01:03:43,828 --> 01:03:46,296 "Would you be willing... " 951 01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:48,924 "to put this person to death?" 952 01:03:50,001 --> 01:03:52,435 And I understand a lot of the comments were: 953 01:03:53,071 --> 01:03:54,561 "Yes, I would. " 954 01:03:54,973 --> 01:03:56,497 "Absolutely. " 955 01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:58,869 "Yep, no problem. " 956 01:04:00,812 --> 01:04:02,939 Can you imagine hearing that? 957 01:04:03,815 --> 01:04:06,511 Juror after juror... 958 01:04:06,985 --> 01:04:08,714 after juror. 959 01:04:10,822 --> 01:04:13,950 These are people that he knows. 960 01:04:16,528 --> 01:04:18,894 No wonder he changed his plea. 961 01:04:19,330 --> 01:04:22,390 You entered a not guilty plea earlier, Mr. Henderson. 962 01:04:22,734 --> 01:04:25,464 But I understand you wish to change your plea today? 963 01:04:25,537 --> 01:04:26,731 Yes, sir. 964 01:04:26,804 --> 01:04:31,434 Do you understand that the recommended sentence here is two life sentences? 965 01:04:33,011 --> 01:04:34,171 Yes, sir. 966 01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:39,205 And do you understand that those may run concurrently or consecutively? 967 01:04:40,852 --> 01:04:41,876 Yes, sir. 968 01:04:41,953 --> 01:04:43,750 Before the court makes that decision... 969 01:04:43,821 --> 01:04:48,053 I understand that there are statements to be made by at least one individual. 970 01:04:48,192 --> 01:04:49,921 Let's proceed with that. 971 01:04:52,830 --> 01:04:56,823 As the grandmother and the person who raised Russell... 972 01:04:57,035 --> 01:04:59,094 along with my family... 973 01:04:59,671 --> 01:05:01,901 we have written the following statement. 974 01:05:02,874 --> 01:05:07,834 "Our hearts ache for the pain and suffering that the Shepards have went through. " 975 01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:12,076 "We have prayed for your family since the very beginning. " 976 01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:16,553 "Many times throughout the day, I have thought about Matt. " 977 01:05:16,921 --> 01:05:20,186 "You will continue to be in our thoughts and prayers... " 978 01:05:20,258 --> 01:05:23,625 "as we know that your pain will never go away. " 979 01:05:24,162 --> 01:05:27,290 "You have showed such mercy and we are so grateful... " 980 01:05:27,365 --> 01:05:30,766 "that you are giving us all the opportunity to live. " 981 01:05:31,936 --> 01:05:33,267 "Your Honor... " 982 01:05:33,338 --> 01:05:36,102 "we, as a family... " 983 01:05:36,507 --> 01:05:39,408 "hope that as you sentence Russell... " 984 01:05:40,044 --> 01:05:42,774 "that you will do it concurrently... " 985 01:05:43,114 --> 01:05:45,207 "for two life terms. " 986 01:05:47,118 --> 01:05:49,552 "For the Russell we know and love... " 987 01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:53,014 "we humbly plead, Your Honor... " 988 01:05:53,825 --> 01:05:57,761 "to not take Russell completely out of our lives... " 989 01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:59,194 "forever. " 990 01:06:04,869 --> 01:06:06,632 Mr. and Mrs. Shepard... 991 01:06:06,704 --> 01:06:10,162 there is not a moment that goes by that I don't... 992 01:06:10,775 --> 01:06:12,709 see what happened that night. 993 01:06:14,078 --> 01:06:16,444 I know what I did was very wrong... 994 01:06:17,915 --> 01:06:20,145 and I regret greatly what I did. 995 01:06:21,953 --> 01:06:24,444 You have my greatest sympathies for what happened. 996 01:06:27,492 --> 01:06:28,686 I hope that... 997 01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:33,453 one day, you will be able to find it in your hearts to forgive me. 998 01:06:39,103 --> 01:06:40,695 Mr. Henderson... 999 01:06:40,972 --> 01:06:44,874 this court does not believe that you really feel any true remorse... 1000 01:06:44,942 --> 01:06:46,671 for your part in this matter. 1001 01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:51,405 And I wonder whether you fully realize the gravity of what you have done. 1002 01:06:51,482 --> 01:06:55,851 You drove the vehicle that took Matthew Shepard to his death. 1003 01:06:56,654 --> 01:06:59,054 You bound him to that fence... 1004 01:06:59,123 --> 01:07:02,354 in order that he might be more savagely beaten... 1005 01:07:02,627 --> 01:07:06,188 and in order that he might not escape to tell his tale. 1006 01:07:06,798 --> 01:07:09,824 You left him out there for 18 hours... 1007 01:07:09,867 --> 01:07:13,333 perhaps having an opportunity to save his life... 1008 01:07:13,405 --> 01:07:15,873 and you did nothing. 1009 01:07:16,975 --> 01:07:20,877 As to count three, that being felony murder with robbery... 1010 01:07:21,547 --> 01:07:25,881 you will serve a period of imprisonment for the term of your natural life. 1011 01:07:26,385 --> 01:07:27,977 For count one... 1012 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,982 kidnapping... 1013 01:07:30,455 --> 01:07:34,983 you will serve a period of imprisonment for the term of your natural life. 1014 01:07:35,928 --> 01:07:40,695 Sentencing for count one to run consecutive to sentencing for count three. 1015 01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:56,407 After the sentencing, the Mormon Church decided to excommunicate Russell. 1016 01:07:57,049 --> 01:08:00,815 He's got a Mormon home teacher that visits him in prison every week. 1017 01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:03,351 Nobody from the church is gonna go visit him? 1018 01:08:03,422 --> 01:08:06,050 Not supposed to. They're not supposed to pray for him. 1019 01:08:06,124 --> 01:08:08,024 He'll just sort of disappear. 1020 01:08:25,877 --> 01:08:28,710 What happened that night? 1021 01:08:30,015 --> 01:08:31,915 We need to know. 1022 01:08:33,485 --> 01:08:36,010 This town needs to know. 1023 01:08:43,762 --> 01:08:45,730 I need some more light on them. 1024 01:08:46,999 --> 01:08:50,730 - I never get tired of this play. - Try directing it 50 times. 1025 01:08:50,802 --> 01:08:53,600 You can relax, just keep the umbrellas up. 1026 01:08:54,506 --> 01:08:57,600 I hear you're doing Angels in America next year. 1027 01:08:57,676 --> 01:09:00,406 We have an obligation to reach our students... 1028 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,175 and the question is, how do you move... 1029 01:09:03,582 --> 01:09:05,846 How do you reach a whole state... 1030 01:09:05,917 --> 01:09:08,545 where there is such deep-seated hostility toward gays? 1031 01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:10,349 How do you reach them? 1032 01:09:10,422 --> 01:09:13,357 Angels in America is just the beginning. 1033 01:09:13,792 --> 01:09:16,124 And guess who's auditioning for the lead? 1034 01:09:16,561 --> 01:09:18,825 My parents, right, they're like: 1035 01:09:18,897 --> 01:09:22,060 "So what plays are they doing in school this year?" 1036 01:09:22,134 --> 01:09:25,297 "let's see, Angels in America. " 1037 01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:26,701 "Wait. " 1038 01:09:27,372 --> 01:09:31,001 "Angels in America? Isn't that that play?" 1039 01:09:31,310 --> 01:09:32,641 "It's that scene?" 1040 01:09:33,378 --> 01:09:36,814 "So you're gonna audition for this?" 1041 01:09:37,115 --> 01:09:38,343 And I said: 1042 01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,215 "Yeah, I am. " 1043 01:09:42,020 --> 01:09:43,783 Huge argument, right? 1044 01:09:43,855 --> 01:09:46,016 It was this huge argument, and my mom says: 1045 01:09:46,091 --> 01:09:50,152 "You know, homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin. " 1046 01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:52,822 But the best thing that I knew I had on them... 1047 01:09:52,931 --> 01:09:54,899 was that they had just seen me... 1048 01:09:54,966 --> 01:09:58,163 right before this, onstage in MacBeth. 1049 01:09:58,270 --> 01:10:02,866 I murdered this little kid and lady MacDuff and these two other guys, right? 1050 01:10:02,941 --> 01:10:04,602 I'm like, "Mom... " 1051 01:10:05,711 --> 01:10:08,407 "I just played a murderer tonight, and you... " 1052 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,240 "didn't seem to have any problem with that. " 1053 01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:15,149 - So when's the audition? - Tuesday. 1054 01:10:15,387 --> 01:10:20,324 I have never prepared myself for an audition like this in my life. 1055 01:10:20,525 --> 01:10:21,924 Not even close. 1056 01:10:22,928 --> 01:10:26,591 Everybody second-guesses what you're doing. 1057 01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:29,631 You get a lot of heavy criticism. 1058 01:10:30,202 --> 01:10:31,931 You did everything wrong. 1059 01:10:32,104 --> 01:10:36,165 You're not supposed to touch anybody without gloves and protective gear. 1060 01:10:38,777 --> 01:10:42,645 Then they make you out to be some kind of big hero. 1061 01:10:44,116 --> 01:10:49,053 Some Joe Blow down the block, he could have done a better job than I did. 1062 01:10:52,357 --> 01:10:54,791 People do extraordinary things every day. 1063 01:10:56,695 --> 01:11:00,290 I think this has really brought home to my girls... 1064 01:11:00,665 --> 01:11:02,997 what their mom does for a living. 1065 01:11:09,107 --> 01:11:10,574 Just a minute. 1066 01:11:10,642 --> 01:11:13,133 It's the decision of the County's Attorney's Office... 1067 01:11:13,211 --> 01:11:15,975 that this will be tried as a death penalty case. 1068 01:11:16,047 --> 01:11:18,311 That's all I have for you now. Thank you. 1069 01:11:18,984 --> 01:11:21,680 How can I protest if the Shepards want Mckinney dead? 1070 01:11:21,753 --> 01:11:23,584 I just can't interfere in that. 1071 01:11:23,655 --> 01:11:26,852 But on a personal level, I knew Aaron in grade school. 1072 01:11:26,925 --> 01:11:29,519 He wasn't called Aaron. We called him A.J. 1073 01:11:29,594 --> 01:11:32,722 How can we put A.J. Mckinney to death? 1074 01:11:33,298 --> 01:11:36,290 I think right now our most important teachers... 1075 01:11:36,368 --> 01:11:39,132 must be Russell Henderson and Aaron Mckinney. 1076 01:11:39,204 --> 01:11:40,796 They have to be our teachers. 1077 01:11:40,872 --> 01:11:42,169 How did you learn? 1078 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,368 What did we do as a society to teach you that? 1079 01:11:45,444 --> 01:11:48,675 I don't know if many people will let them be their teacher. 1080 01:11:48,747 --> 01:11:52,080 I think it would be wonderful if the judge said: 1081 01:11:52,150 --> 01:11:54,015 "In addition to the sentence... " 1082 01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,747 "you must tell your story. " 1083 01:11:56,822 --> 01:11:59,950 "You must tell your story. " 1084 01:12:00,292 --> 01:12:03,819 This is a tape recording of the confession given by Aaron James Mckinney... 1085 01:12:03,895 --> 01:12:06,728 to me as detective in charge of the investigation. 1086 01:12:07,065 --> 01:12:10,364 This confession was recorded two days after the attack. 1087 01:12:14,606 --> 01:12:19,043 - So, you guys go to the Fireside, right? - Yeah. 1088 01:12:19,811 --> 01:12:22,336 Where do you go after you leave the Fireside? 1089 01:12:22,747 --> 01:12:24,908 Some kid wanted a ride home. 1090 01:12:26,251 --> 01:12:27,718 What's he look like? 1091 01:12:28,687 --> 01:12:30,245 Like a queer. 1092 01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:35,356 - He looks like a queer? - Yeah, like a fag, you know? 1093 01:12:36,728 --> 01:12:38,855 Okay, so, how'd you meet him? 1094 01:12:39,297 --> 01:12:41,959 The fag? The queer guy? 1095 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,762 We were meeting at the bar. He asked us what we were drinking and doing. 1096 01:12:47,105 --> 01:12:49,630 So what happened after you met him? 1097 01:12:50,375 --> 01:12:52,935 He wanted a ride home, and... 1098 01:12:53,445 --> 01:12:56,812 I just thought, "The dude's drunk, let's just take him home. " 1099 01:12:56,882 --> 01:12:59,646 When did you and Russ talk about jacking him up? 1100 01:12:59,851 --> 01:13:03,844 - We kinda talked about it at the bar. - Tell me what happened next. 1101 01:13:04,155 --> 01:13:06,089 Drove him out past Wal Mart. 1102 01:13:06,358 --> 01:13:10,727 We got over there and he starts grabbing my leg and... 1103 01:13:11,029 --> 01:13:13,429 grabbing my genitals and... 1104 01:13:14,366 --> 01:13:18,962 I was like, "I'm not a fucking faggot. If you touch me again, you're gonna get it. " 1105 01:13:19,571 --> 01:13:22,904 I don't know what the hell he was trying to do... 1106 01:13:23,608 --> 01:13:25,974 but I beat him up pretty bad. 1107 01:13:26,611 --> 01:13:28,408 I think I killed him. 1108 01:13:29,581 --> 01:13:33,244 - What did you hit him with? - I blacked out. 1109 01:13:33,752 --> 01:13:38,382 My fist, my pistol, the butt of the gun. 1110 01:13:39,858 --> 01:13:43,123 I wonder what happened to me. I had a few beers and I don't know. 1111 01:13:43,194 --> 01:13:45,594 It's like I could see what was going on. 1112 01:13:46,164 --> 01:13:48,098 It was like somebody else was doing it. 1113 01:13:48,166 --> 01:13:53,160 What was the first thing he said or did that made you want to hit him? 1114 01:13:54,873 --> 01:13:57,307 He put his hand on my leg and... 1115 01:13:57,375 --> 01:13:59,935 slid his hand like he was gonna grab my balls. 1116 01:14:00,979 --> 01:14:04,779 When that defense team argued that Mckinney did what he did... 1117 01:14:04,849 --> 01:14:07,443 because Matthew made a pass at him... 1118 01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:10,178 I just wanted to vomit... 1119 01:14:11,323 --> 01:14:12,600 because that's like saying it's okay. 1120 01:14:12,624 --> 01:14:16,478 It was disgusting and we were all just disgusted. 1121 01:14:16,553 --> 01:14:20,387 It was just rude, and that was less than integrous behavior. 1122 01:14:20,457 --> 01:14:23,483 We were all just disgusted by that quality of defense. 1123 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,826 It's like the Twinkie defense, when the guy killed Harvey Milk and Moscone. 1124 01:14:28,198 --> 01:14:29,665 It's the same thing. 1125 01:14:29,733 --> 01:14:32,827 As much as a part of me didn't want the defense saying that... 1126 01:14:32,903 --> 01:14:35,770 it was a gay bashing or gay panic... 1127 01:14:36,340 --> 01:14:39,434 a part of me was really grateful. 1128 01:14:39,609 --> 01:14:43,101 Because I was really afraid that in this trial they were gonna try... 1129 01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:46,172 and say that it was a robbery, or it was about drugs. 1130 01:14:46,249 --> 01:14:49,514 So when they used gay panic as the defense... 1131 01:14:49,786 --> 01:14:51,879 I thought, "This is good... " 1132 01:14:51,955 --> 01:14:56,153 "because if nothing else, the truth is gonna come out. " 1133 01:14:56,526 --> 01:14:59,393 "The truth is gonna be told. " 1134 01:14:59,496 --> 01:15:02,260 About how many times did you hit him in the truck... 1135 01:15:02,332 --> 01:15:04,630 before you guys stopped where you left him? 1136 01:15:04,701 --> 01:15:07,192 I'd say I hit him two or three times. 1137 01:15:07,804 --> 01:15:11,171 Probably three times with my fists and six times with the pistol. 1138 01:15:11,241 --> 01:15:12,799 Did he ask you to stop? 1139 01:15:13,043 --> 01:15:15,273 Yeah, he was getting the shit kicked out of him. 1140 01:15:15,345 --> 01:15:16,778 What did he say? 1141 01:15:17,981 --> 01:15:21,542 After he asked me to stop, most all he was doing was screaming. 1142 01:15:25,856 --> 01:15:28,984 Was Matthew conscious while Russell was tying him to the fence? 1143 01:15:29,059 --> 01:15:30,151 Yeah. 1144 01:15:30,227 --> 01:15:33,560 I told him, "Turn around and don't look at my license plate number"... 1145 01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:36,394 because I was scared he would tell the police. 1146 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,360 And then I asked him what my license plate said. 1147 01:15:39,436 --> 01:15:42,405 He read it and that's why I hit him a few more times. 1148 01:15:42,472 --> 01:15:44,201 Just to be sure? 1149 01:15:44,975 --> 01:15:48,240 My secret hope was that they were from somewhere else... 1150 01:15:48,645 --> 01:15:51,307 that then you can create this distance. 1151 01:15:51,681 --> 01:15:54,309 We don't grow children like that here. 1152 01:15:56,253 --> 01:15:59,154 It's pretty clear we do grow children like that here. 1153 01:15:59,623 --> 01:16:01,887 So obviously you don't like gay people? 1154 01:16:02,993 --> 01:16:05,655 - No, I don't. - Would you say you hate them? 1155 01:16:07,564 --> 01:16:11,660 No, I really don't hate them, but when they start... 1156 01:16:12,269 --> 01:16:14,635 coming on to me, I get pretty aggravated. 1157 01:16:14,704 --> 01:16:17,070 So you've been approached by gay people before? 1158 01:16:17,874 --> 01:16:19,398 No, not really. 1159 01:16:20,110 --> 01:16:21,600 Did he threaten you? 1160 01:16:21,711 --> 01:16:23,702 - This gay dude? - Yeah. 1161 01:16:23,780 --> 01:16:24,780 No. 1162 01:16:25,315 --> 01:16:27,215 Can you answer me one thing? 1163 01:16:27,684 --> 01:16:30,244 Why did you guys take his shoes? 1164 01:16:31,254 --> 01:16:32,812 I don't know. 1165 01:16:35,826 --> 01:16:38,420 I'm never gonna get to see my son again? 1166 01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:44,990 I don't know. 1167 01:16:49,406 --> 01:16:51,169 He's gonna die for sure? 1168 01:16:51,608 --> 01:16:55,009 There is no doubt that Mr. Shepard is going to die. 1169 01:16:59,082 --> 01:17:01,573 So what are they gonna give me, 25 to life? 1170 01:17:02,185 --> 01:17:04,813 Or the death penalty and just get it over with? 1171 01:17:04,888 --> 01:17:06,082 That's not our job. 1172 01:17:07,224 --> 01:17:09,954 That's the job of the judge and the jury. 1173 01:17:16,433 --> 01:17:20,699 The strange thing is, 20 minutes before Matthew was brought in... 1174 01:17:20,770 --> 01:17:24,968 Aaron Mckinney, one of the perpetrators, was brought in by his girlfriend. 1175 01:17:25,108 --> 01:17:28,043 - Wait. Mckinney was here? - Yeah. 1176 01:17:28,111 --> 01:17:32,571 I guess he went back into town later that same night and got in a fight. 1177 01:17:33,617 --> 01:17:37,383 And so there's Aaron on one bed in my ER... 1178 01:17:37,454 --> 01:17:39,854 and just a few beds down is Matthew. 1179 01:17:40,857 --> 01:17:44,884 Then two days later, I found out the connection. 1180 01:17:45,595 --> 01:17:47,688 Has the jury reached a verdict? 1181 01:17:48,698 --> 01:17:50,359 We have, Your Honor. 1182 01:17:51,935 --> 01:17:53,562 I was very... 1183 01:17:54,571 --> 01:17:55,799 struck. 1184 01:17:56,473 --> 01:17:57,940 They were two kids. 1185 01:17:58,708 --> 01:18:02,769 They were both my patients, but they were two kids. 1186 01:18:03,847 --> 01:18:08,045 I took care of both of them, took care of both their bodies... 1187 01:18:10,787 --> 01:18:14,985 and I felt a great deal of compassion for both of them. 1188 01:18:16,226 --> 01:18:17,454 We, the jury... 1189 01:18:17,527 --> 01:18:21,588 impaneled and sworn to try the above-entitled cause... 1190 01:18:21,665 --> 01:18:24,759 after having well and truly tried the matter... 1191 01:18:24,834 --> 01:18:27,598 unanimously find as follows: 1192 01:18:28,205 --> 01:18:30,469 As to the charge of kidnapping... 1193 01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:34,636 we find the defendant, Aaron James Mckinney... 1194 01:18:35,445 --> 01:18:36,776 guilty. 1195 01:18:40,016 --> 01:18:42,450 As to the charge of felony murder... 1196 01:18:42,519 --> 01:18:46,478 we find the defendant, Aaron James Mckinney... 1197 01:18:47,157 --> 01:18:48,488 guilty. 1198 01:18:58,034 --> 01:19:01,834 The jury returns to the courthouse today to start considering the punishment... 1199 01:19:01,905 --> 01:19:05,363 a phase of the trial that will probably last until next week. 1200 01:19:05,775 --> 01:19:09,302 I am working with Mckinney, counseling him. 1201 01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:13,046 I don't think he can conceptualize... 1202 01:19:13,116 --> 01:19:15,846 the gravity of something like capital punishment... 1203 01:19:15,919 --> 01:19:19,082 but I'm going to be praying like the dickens tonight... 1204 01:19:19,155 --> 01:19:21,680 that we don't have to go through this next phase. 1205 01:19:21,758 --> 01:19:26,320 I don't know if you believe in prayer, but would you do this for me? 1206 01:19:26,796 --> 01:19:29,356 Would you just say, from time to time: 1207 01:19:29,432 --> 01:19:32,492 "Lord, I lift him up to you. " 1208 01:19:33,169 --> 01:19:34,966 Just do that for me. 1209 01:19:36,006 --> 01:19:37,337 Of course, Father. 1210 01:19:38,508 --> 01:19:42,137 The sentencing phase of Mckinney's trial was to begin momentarily. 1211 01:19:42,212 --> 01:19:45,204 However, now we're hearing that Judy and Dennis Shepard... 1212 01:19:45,282 --> 01:19:49,514 have been approached by the defense team, who have pled for their client's life. 1213 01:19:49,586 --> 01:19:52,578 We understand Mr. Shepard may approach the court this morning. 1214 01:20:13,677 --> 01:20:15,304 "My son Matthew... " 1215 01:20:16,046 --> 01:20:17,980 "did not look like a winner. " 1216 01:20:19,282 --> 01:20:21,250 "He was rather uncoordinated... " 1217 01:20:21,318 --> 01:20:25,482 "and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. " 1218 01:20:27,657 --> 01:20:31,388 "However, in his all-too-brief life, he proved that he was a winner. " 1219 01:20:32,896 --> 01:20:35,626 "On October 6, 1((8... " 1220 01:20:35,699 --> 01:20:38,896 "my son tried to show the world that he could win again. " 1221 01:20:40,337 --> 01:20:42,828 "On October 12, 1((8... " 1222 01:20:44,341 --> 01:20:47,970 "my first-born son and my hero lost. " 1223 01:20:49,512 --> 01:20:52,345 "On October 12, 1((8... " 1224 01:20:52,782 --> 01:20:56,479 "my first-born son and my hero died... " 1225 01:20:59,522 --> 01:21:02,491 "50 days before his 22nd birthday. " 1226 01:21:05,428 --> 01:21:09,626 "I keep wondering the same thing that I did when I first saw him in the hospital. " 1227 01:21:10,934 --> 01:21:12,925 "What would he have become?" 1228 01:21:14,003 --> 01:21:17,666 "How could he have changed his piece of the world to make it better?" 1229 01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:23,410 "Matt officially died in a hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado. " 1230 01:21:25,115 --> 01:21:28,175 "He actually died on the outskirts of Laramie... " 1231 01:21:29,052 --> 01:21:30,781 "tied to a fence. " 1232 01:21:32,622 --> 01:21:36,752 "You, Mr. Mckinney, with your friend Mr. Henderson... " 1233 01:21:36,826 --> 01:21:40,626 "left him there by himself... " 1234 01:21:41,427 --> 01:21:43,258 "but he was not alone. " 1235 01:21:45,698 --> 01:21:48,360 "There were his lifelong friends with him... " 1236 01:21:49,268 --> 01:21:51,862 "friends that he had grown up with. " 1237 01:21:53,573 --> 01:21:56,508 "You're probably wondering who these friends were. " 1238 01:21:58,644 --> 01:22:02,444 "First, he had the beautiful night sky and the same stars and moon... " 1239 01:22:02,515 --> 01:22:05,040 "we used to see through a telescope. " 1240 01:22:05,752 --> 01:22:10,121 "Then he had the daylight and the sun to shine on him. " 1241 01:22:12,692 --> 01:22:14,319 "And through it all... " 1242 01:22:14,727 --> 01:22:18,754 "he was breathing in the scent of the pine trees from the Snowy Range. " 1243 01:22:20,333 --> 01:22:21,960 "He heard the wind... " 1244 01:22:24,036 --> 01:22:27,767 "the ever-present Wyoming wind, for the last time. " 1245 01:22:29,876 --> 01:22:32,276 "He had one more friend with him. " 1246 01:22:33,813 --> 01:22:35,337 "He had God. " 1247 01:22:38,951 --> 01:22:41,920 "And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone. " 1248 01:22:44,457 --> 01:22:49,417 "Matt's beating, hospitalization, and funeral put worldwide attention on hate. " 1249 01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:53,098 "Good is coming out of evil. " 1250 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,299 "People have said, 'Enough is enough. '" 1251 01:22:59,005 --> 01:23:00,700 "I miss my son... " 1252 01:23:01,607 --> 01:23:05,065 "but I am proud to be able to say that he was my son. " 1253 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,407 "Judy has been quoted as being against the death penalty. " 1254 01:23:12,852 --> 01:23:16,379 "It has been stated that Matt was against the death penalty. " 1255 01:23:16,689 --> 01:23:19,624 "Both of these statements are wrong. " 1256 01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,485 "I, too, believe in the death penalty. " 1257 01:23:25,832 --> 01:23:29,359 "I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. Mckinney. " 1258 01:23:39,078 --> 01:23:43,674 "However, this is the time to begin the healing process... " 1259 01:23:46,619 --> 01:23:50,248 "to show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy. " 1260 01:24:01,667 --> 01:24:03,191 "Mr. Mckinney... " 1261 01:24:04,604 --> 01:24:07,038 "I am going to Grant you life... " 1262 01:24:07,974 --> 01:24:11,740 "as hard as it is to do so, because of Matthew. " 1263 01:24:12,879 --> 01:24:15,677 "Every time you celebrate Christmas... " 1264 01:24:16,182 --> 01:24:20,516 "a birthday, the Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. " 1265 01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:25,090 "Every time you wake up in your prison cell... " 1266 01:24:25,157 --> 01:24:27,625 "remember you had the opportunity... " 1267 01:24:27,693 --> 01:24:30,992 "and the ability to stop your actions that night. " 1268 01:24:33,065 --> 01:24:35,431 "You robbed me of something very precious... " 1269 01:24:35,501 --> 01:24:37,662 "and I will never forgive you for that. " 1270 01:24:43,509 --> 01:24:45,033 "Mr. Mckinney... " 1271 01:24:46,445 --> 01:24:48,242 "I give you life... " 1272 01:24:49,482 --> 01:24:53,009 "in the memory of someone who no longer lives. " 1273 01:24:54,754 --> 01:24:56,779 "May you have a long life... " 1274 01:24:58,090 --> 01:25:01,423 "and may you thank Matthew every day for it. " 1275 01:25:07,233 --> 01:25:08,996 Thank you very much. 1276 01:25:16,976 --> 01:25:18,910 Mr. Mckinney, you will be remanded... 1277 01:25:18,978 --> 01:25:22,141 to the custody of the Albany County Sheriff's Department... 1278 01:25:22,214 --> 01:25:25,377 pending transportation to the state penitentiary. 1279 01:25:25,451 --> 01:25:28,614 Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes this matter. 1280 01:25:47,940 --> 01:25:51,808 I hope, when you think of this town, you can see something besides a crime... 1281 01:25:51,877 --> 01:25:54,209 and understand why we love it so much. 1282 01:25:56,215 --> 01:26:00,208 I'm just really glad that it's over. You know, I really am. 1283 01:26:00,286 --> 01:26:05,155 Testifying in this trial has been one of the hardest things I've had to do in my life. 1284 01:26:05,224 --> 01:26:08,819 I mean, don't get me wrong. I love the stage, I'm a natural for it... 1285 01:26:08,894 --> 01:26:12,660 but the actual testifying is really, really difficult. 1286 01:26:12,732 --> 01:26:14,927 The lawyers are asking you questions... 1287 01:26:15,001 --> 01:26:18,266 so you have questions that are coming at you in this Avenue... 1288 01:26:18,337 --> 01:26:20,897 but then you have to funnel them over to the jury. 1289 01:26:20,973 --> 01:26:23,942 So you funnel them over there, and what you end up with is... 1290 01:26:24,010 --> 01:26:26,706 Well, basically, you have a funneling system. 1291 01:26:26,779 --> 01:26:27,973 Right? 1292 01:26:31,150 --> 01:26:35,382 After taking the ATZ for six months, I was able to get a DNA test. 1293 01:26:35,454 --> 01:26:36,478 And it was... 1294 01:26:37,390 --> 01:26:41,486 about a week later, I found out that I was... 1295 01:26:41,627 --> 01:26:43,185 negative for good. 1296 01:26:43,262 --> 01:26:45,230 - Wow. Thank God. - That's great. 1297 01:26:45,297 --> 01:26:48,824 I tell you, we were all on our knees saying Hail Marys. 1298 01:26:48,901 --> 01:26:51,870 Yeah, you're just so elated. We were really happy. 1299 01:26:51,937 --> 01:26:53,768 So what's the first thing she does? 1300 01:26:53,839 --> 01:26:56,535 I stuck my tongue right in my husband's mouth. 1301 01:26:57,610 --> 01:27:00,545 - What about your daughters? - The girls, they just bawled. 1302 01:27:00,613 --> 01:27:02,513 They were just so happy. 1303 01:27:02,581 --> 01:27:04,606 - And the force... - Boy. 1304 01:27:04,683 --> 01:27:07,709 Yeah, we went out and got shit-faced. 1305 01:27:07,787 --> 01:27:10,347 I just kissed everybody who came through that door. 1306 01:27:10,456 --> 01:27:12,686 - They don't need to know that. - You know what? 1307 01:27:12,758 --> 01:27:15,556 If it was a male or a female, I kissed them on the lips. 1308 01:27:15,628 --> 01:27:18,256 What part of what I just said did you not understand? 1309 01:27:18,330 --> 01:27:20,321 Mom, I have already kissed them. 1310 01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:34,377 It's not clear to me, having known Matthew... 1311 01:27:34,914 --> 01:27:37,815 what story he would want told about this. 1312 01:27:38,451 --> 01:27:40,851 We won't fully understand what happened here... 1313 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,515 until time has had a chance to filter that out for us. 1314 01:27:44,590 --> 01:27:48,185 What happened here, the culture that caused this... 1315 01:27:48,260 --> 01:27:51,229 the complex set of events leading up to it... 1316 01:27:51,697 --> 01:27:55,030 it would have been like us trying to stop a tank. 1317 01:28:01,841 --> 01:28:06,744 Change is not an easy thing, and I don't think people were up to it. 1318 01:28:07,813 --> 01:28:09,280 They got what they wanted. 1319 01:28:09,348 --> 01:28:13,114 Those two boys got what they deserve, and we look good now. 1320 01:28:13,452 --> 01:28:17,081 It's been over a year since Matthew Shepard died... 1321 01:28:17,156 --> 01:28:20,592 and they haven't passed shit in Wyoming. 1322 01:28:20,993 --> 01:28:23,325 They haven't passed it at a state level... 1323 01:28:23,395 --> 01:28:26,091 any town, anybody, anywhere... 1324 01:28:26,165 --> 01:28:28,861 has passed any kind of laws. 1325 01:28:28,934 --> 01:28:32,597 Anti-discrimination laws or hate crime legislation... 1326 01:28:32,671 --> 01:28:36,698 nobody has passed anything anywhere. 1327 01:28:39,712 --> 01:28:42,190 What's come out of it? 1328 01:28:42,691 --> 01:28:46,593 What's come out of it that's concrete and lasting? 1329 01:28:47,896 --> 01:28:52,890 "The dead will be commemorated and will struggle on with the living... " 1330 01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:57,036 "and we are not going away. " 1331 01:28:58,607 --> 01:29:00,905 "We won't die secret deaths anymore. " 1332 01:29:02,077 --> 01:29:04,409 "The world only spins forward. " 1333 01:29:07,082 --> 01:29:09,812 "We will be citizens. " 1334 01:29:10,852 --> 01:29:12,513 "The time has come. " 1335 01:29:23,065 --> 01:29:24,327 "'Bye, now. " 1336 01:29:32,541 --> 01:29:35,032 Have you ever gone out to the fence? 1337 01:29:37,446 --> 01:29:40,006 I drove up to the site in my limousine... 1338 01:29:40,415 --> 01:29:45,148 and I remembered something to myself the night he and I drove around together. 1339 01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:47,814 He said, "Laramie sparkles, doesn't it?" 1340 01:29:49,524 --> 01:29:51,924 And where he was in that spot up there... 1341 01:29:52,027 --> 01:29:56,327 if you sit exactly in that spot up there, Laramie sparkles from there. 1342 01:29:56,765 --> 01:29:59,029 With the low-lying clouds... 1343 01:29:59,368 --> 01:30:03,270 it's the blue lights bouncing off the clouds from the airport... 1344 01:30:03,338 --> 01:30:05,966 and it goes... 1345 01:30:08,210 --> 01:30:10,041 over the whole city. 1346 01:30:11,179 --> 01:30:12,578 I mean... 1347 01:30:13,682 --> 01:30:15,673 it blows you away. 1348 01:30:16,351 --> 01:30:20,845 Matt was right there in that spot, and I can just picture... 1349 01:30:21,056 --> 01:30:22,580 in his eyes... 1350 01:30:23,458 --> 01:30:26,256 I can picture what he was seeing. 1351 01:30:27,462 --> 01:30:30,989 The last thing that he saw on this earth... 1352 01:30:31,533 --> 01:30:35,560 was the sparkling lights of Laramie, Wyoming. 115505

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