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Now, I first thought the two kids
who did this came from someplace else.
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When I learned that they had grown up
in Laramie, I was just floored.
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In Laramie, Wyoming...
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a young man is in a deep coma,
near death from a savage beating.
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When I first found out,
I just thought it was horrible.
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Nobody deserves that.
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I don't care who you are.
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A college freshman was beaten...
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tied to a fence, and left for dead
in Wyoming this week.
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You'd like to think
this was somebody from out of town.
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Somebody who comes through
and beats somebody up.
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But if we're talking about somebody
who's been beaten repeatedly...
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by somebody from our town,
that certainly offends us.
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If you asked me before, I would have
told you Laramie is a beautiful town.
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It's secluded, you know, secluded enough...
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so you can have your own identity.
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Now, after Matthew...
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we're a town defined
by an accident or a crime.
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We've become Waco or Jasper.
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We're a noun, or a definition, or a sign.
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- Do you mind if I tape this?
- No, I don't mind.
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Great. Thank you again for taking time
out of your rehearsal to talk to me.
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I must tell you, when I first heard
you were thinking of coming here...
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when you first called me...
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I wanted to say:
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"You just kicked me in the stomach.
Why are you doing this to me?"
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And then I thought, "Well, that's stupid.
You're not doing this to me. "
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And more importantly...
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my students need to talk.
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When this first happened,
they started to talk about it.
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Then the media descended
and all dialogue stopped.
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We're not reporters.
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I know. I read your last play.
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You did?
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Gave me an idea of what you do.
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Moises called, saying he had an idea
for his next theatre project...
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but there was a somberness to his voice,
so I asked him what it was all about.
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He said he wanted to do a piece
about what's happening in Wyoming.
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Leigh told me that the company was
thinking of going down to Laramie...
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and conducting interviews,
and did I want to come?
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I did, I said, yeah, but...
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I was hesitant, because as a gay man...
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I mean...
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a kid had just been killed there
because he was gay.
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What exactly do you want?
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I'd like you to give me names of people
who might want to talk to us.
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I'd like to talk to your students
and your friends.
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I want to hear from the people of the town.
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I have never done anything like this before.
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How do you get people to talk to you?
What do you ask?
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It's still very raw for us here.
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I understand, but this is no longer
about Laramie or Wyoming.
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This is about the whole country.
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To me, it's still about Laramie.
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The company has agreed to go to Laramie
and interview the people of the town.
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I'm scared, because I don't know
what I'm gonna do to ensure their safety.
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I made a preliminary contact...
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with the head of the theatre department
at the University of Wyoming...
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and hopefully that will lead
to more interviews.
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You're late.
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I know.
We talked for a lot longer than I planned.
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What did Rebecca say?
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She gave me names of people
who might talk to us.
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Townspeople, ranchers, some students.
We should contact these people first.
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Let's see if anybody's gonna talk.
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- Great.
- You okay? What?
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Please, don't do that here.
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- Where are you folks from?
- New York.
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And what brings you to town?
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We're just passing through.
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Hi.
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- Is Linda home?
- Nope, she's working.
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Okay. Can you tell her that Amanda
stopped by and I'll be at the Ranger Motel?
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And who are you?
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I'm with a theatre company.
Rebecca Hilliker told her about me.
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I never heard of her. What do you want?
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We're writing a play about Laramie
and the Matthew Shepard incident.
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Why are you doing that?
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We think it's a story that...
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Sticking your nose into something
we don't need to talk about.
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- That's over and done.
- I understand your feeling...
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We don't want any more of this.
You're not wanted here.
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Where are you going with this story?
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When the play is finished,
we'll bring it around to Laramie.
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- And you're gonna use our words?
- That's the idea.
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I've been close enough to the case
to know many of the people.
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I have a daughter,
works in the Sheriff's department.
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As for the "gay issue"...
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I don't give a damn one way or another
as long as they don't bother me.
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And even if they did,
I'd just say, "No, thank you. "
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That's the attitude
of most of the Laramie population.
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They might poke one in a bar situation,
you know.
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If they had been drinking,
they might smack one in the mouth...
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but then they'd just walk away.
Laramie is live-and-let-live.
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My dear brothers and sisters, I am here
today to bring you the Word of the Lord.
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In my ministry, I've found a simple truth
that I'd like to share with you today.
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It's this:
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The Word is either sufficient...
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or it is not.
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Scientists tell me that human history...
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that the world is five billion
or six billion years old.
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After all, what's a billion years,
give or take?
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But the Bible tells me
that human history is 6,000 years old.
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The Word is either sufficient or it is not.
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In Laramie, population 26,687...
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the first thing to greet us was Wal Mart.
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This could be any main drag in America.
Fast food chains, gas stations.
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But as we drove into the downtown area,
by the railroad tracks...
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the buildings still retained the shape
of a turn-of-the-century western town.
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As we passed the University Inn...
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on the sign where amenities such as
heated pool, cable TV are usually touted...
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it said, "Hate is not a Laramie value. "
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So how did you wind up here?
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Well, when it came time to go to college...
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my parents couldn't really afford
to send me to college.
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I knew that I wanted to study theatre...
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and I knew that if I wanted to go
to college, I had to get on a scholarship.
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There's this competition
that they have every year.
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It's like a Wyoming state
high school competition thing.
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I came to the University, to the theatre
department, to look for some good scenes.
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I asked the professor, I said,
"You know, I need a killer scene. "
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And he's like,
"Here. Here you go. This is it. "
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- What was it?
- That was Angels in America.
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I read that and I'm like, this is okay.
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I can win Best Scene
if I just do a good enough job.
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So I tell my parents, so they can come
see me in the competition.
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They brought me in the room
and they sat me down...
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and they said that they wouldn't come
to see me if I did that scene.
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- They couldn't.
- Why is that?
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You know, because they believe it's wrong,
because homosexuality's wrong.
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AII I remember from the competition
is just standing ovation.
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- Really?
- Just...
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We won. We got first place.
One of the best moments of my life.
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- Did your parents come?
- Parents weren't there.
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So why'd you do it?
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Actually, if I'm really honest, I think...
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I just wanted to win, really.
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It was just the greatest scene.
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I just wanted to win.
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Today, for the first time, I met someone
who actually knew Matthew Shepard.
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Trish Steger, owner of a shop in town,
referred to him as Matt.
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Matt used to come into my shop.
That's how I knew him.
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It was the first time I ever heard him
referred to as Matt instead of Matthew.
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Well, what was he like?
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I don't know.
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How does any one person
ever tell about another?
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Matt was a blunt little shit.
know what I'm saying?
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He was a little guy, 5'2".
Soaking wet, I bet you (7 pounds, tops.
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They were saying he weighed 110 pounds.
I don't believe it.
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I say, "Are you Matthew Shepard?"
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He says, "Yeah, I'm Matthew Shepard,
but don't call me Matthew, or Mr. Shepard. "
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"Don't call me none of that.
My name is Matt. "
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"And I want you to know that I am gay,
and we're gonna be going to a gay bar. "
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"Do you have a problem with that?"
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I said, "No. How are you paying?"
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The fact of the matter is,
Laramie doesn't have any gay bars.
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For that matter, neither does Wyoming.
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He was hiring me to take him down
to Fort Collins, Colorado...
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which is about an hour away.
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He was struggling when he first came here.
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Reaching out, trying to fit in.
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- I'm sorry I'm late.
- My sister Romaine.
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She was a close friend of Matthew's.
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Matthew really wanted
to get into political affairs.
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That was all his big interest was,
watching CNN and MSNBC.
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Those were the only TV stations
I ever saw his TV tuned in to.
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So why did he move to Laramie?
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He told me he was thinking about
going back to school.
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So I told him, "Go to the University
of Wyoming, go to Laramie. "
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"You can really find a home there. "
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I was Matthew's academic advisor,
so I knew him in a very specific context.
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But I can tell you that Matthew
was very shy when he first came in...
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to the point of being somewhat mousy,
I'd almost say.
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But soon, his shyness began to give way
to this person...
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that was excited about this track
that he was going to embark on.
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Whenever I think of Matthew,
I think of his...
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incredible beaming smile.
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He'd walk into a room and just be, like...
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He'd smile at everyone.
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He made you feel great.
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He was just starting to say:
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"There are opportunities here.
There are things I can do in this world. "
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"I can be important. "
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I heard from Matt
about 48 hours before the attack.
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He told me he'd just joined
the gay and lesbian group on campus...
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and he was really enjoying it,
getting ready for Pride Week.
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He was totally stoked about school.
He was really happy being there.
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I can only say this in retrospect, of course.
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I think that's where he was headed,
towards human rights.
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Let me tell you something.
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There's more gay people in Wyoming
than meets the eye.
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- You think?
- I know for a fact.
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I mean, they're not particularly...
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What do you call the queens,
the gay people, queens?
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You know,
the run-around, faggot-type people.
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They're more like the ones who'II...
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throw a bale of hay, jump on a horse,
brand them and kick ass.
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know what I'm saying? As I always say...
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you don't fuck with a Wyoming queer
'cause they'll fucking kick you in your ass.
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- But that's not the point.
- What is the point?
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People of Wyoming do not give a damn
one way or the other if you're gay...
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if you're straight, bisexual,
trisexual, it doesn't matter.
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- Really?
- That's what I just said. It doesn't matter.
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I was the first out lesbian
or gay faculty member...
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and that's in 1((2.
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That's not that long ago.
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They asked me at the interview
what my husband did.
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So I came out then.
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When I first moved out here,
I knew it was gonna be hard as a gay man.
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There would be times
when I would go to Denver...
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and I would go to the gay bars there, and
people would ask me where I was from...
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and I would say, "Laramie, Wyoming. "
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And I met so many men down there
from Wyoming.
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So many gay men who grew up here
and they were like:
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"This is not a place where I can live.
How can you live there? I had to get out. "
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But every once in awhile, there'd be a guy:
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"Gosh, I miss Laramie. "
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"I mean, I really love it there.
That's where I want to live. "
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And they'd get this starry-eyed look,
and I think...
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if that is where you wanna live, do it.
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So I get into my office one day and
I have a message to call this woman back.
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So I call her back and she goes,
"I hear you are a lesbian.
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"I hear you are one. " And I'm like, "uh-huh?"
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She goes, "I'm one, too. " She wanted
to come over and meet me immediately.
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She also warned me about the fact...
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that there's other lesbians in this town
who would not be seen with me.
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That just to be seen with me
would taint them irreparably.
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That just to be seen with me
would be a big problem.
229
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I love this land.
230
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I mean...
231
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I really love this land.
232
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I'm gonna make this brief, quick, just
get it over with, but it will be everything.
233
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Factual, just the facts. 10:00.
I punch in, my regular time for Tuesdays.
234
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At 10:30 we're having karaoke night...
235
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so there's maybe 20 or 30 people
milling around.
236
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That's when Matthew Shepard
comes in alone, he comes in and...
237
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he sits right where you're sitting
right now, orders himself a Heineken.
238
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So what can I tell you about Matt?
Well, manners...
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politeness, intelligence.
Taking care of me, as in tips.
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Everything, he just offers conversation.
241
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He comes in,
he's always dressed nice, clean-cut.
242
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Didn't seem to have any worries.
He wasn't waiting on anybody.
243
00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:07,017
He just wanted to enjoy his drink
and the company around.
244
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I guess it was maybe 11:30 or 11:45.
245
00:16:15,834 --> 00:16:19,395
That's when Russell Henderson
and Aaron Mckinney came in.
246
00:16:19,638 --> 00:16:22,903
They come in, approach the bar,
they sit here and order a pitcher...
247
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and as you know, they pay for the thing
entirely in dimes and quarters...
248
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which, let me tell you,
is something you just don't forget.
249
00:16:29,982 --> 00:16:33,110
You don't forget something like that.
$5.50 in dimes and quarters?
250
00:16:33,185 --> 00:16:35,346
It's a freaking nightmare
for a bartender.
251
00:16:35,687 --> 00:16:39,350
Money meant nothing to Matthew
because he grew up with a lot of it.
252
00:16:39,424 --> 00:16:41,551
He'd have handed over his wallet
in a second...
253
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because money meant nothing to him.
254
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:46,662
I mean, his shoes might have
meant something, but...
255
00:16:46,898 --> 00:16:50,356
They can say it was robbery
all they want to, but I don't buy it.
256
00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:52,594
Not even for an iota of a second.
257
00:16:52,771 --> 00:16:55,638
Look, when they came in,
Henderson and Mckinney...
258
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to me, they didn't seem
to be intoxicated at all.
259
00:16:59,177 --> 00:17:01,338
They came in,
they order a pitcher of beer...
260
00:17:01,413 --> 00:17:05,679
they take it back there into the pool
area, and they just kept to themselves.
261
00:17:06,852 --> 00:17:08,717
It was going on for half an hour...
262
00:17:08,787 --> 00:17:12,655
and then I noticed Russell and Aaron
had been talking with Matthew Shepard.
263
00:17:13,792 --> 00:17:16,663
Some people are saying
he made a pass at them.
264
00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:19,162
Hell, you don't pick up regular people.
265
00:17:20,601 --> 00:17:22,933
Aaron and I have been together
for two years.
266
00:17:25,005 --> 00:17:28,702
Aaron said that a guy walked up to him
and said he was gay...
267
00:17:28,776 --> 00:17:31,074
and wanted to get with him and Russ.
268
00:17:31,178 --> 00:17:32,770
Aaron's really bad about that.
269
00:17:32,846 --> 00:17:36,304
He doesn't like to be around gay people
at all, and neither does Russ.
270
00:17:36,383 --> 00:17:38,908
They just don't like them at all.
271
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,518
So he got aggravated with it
and said he was straight...
272
00:17:42,589 --> 00:17:46,616
and he didn't wanna have anything
to do with it, and he walked off.
273
00:17:47,027 --> 00:17:49,928
He said that's when him and Russ
went into the bathroom...
274
00:17:49,997 --> 00:17:54,457
and decided to pretend that they were
gay and get him in the truck and rob him.
275
00:17:54,835 --> 00:17:58,828
They wanted to teach him a lesson
not to come on to straight people.
276
00:17:59,373 --> 00:18:03,707
I'm not excusing their actions,
but it seems to be partially his fault...
277
00:18:03,777 --> 00:18:07,474
and partially the guys who did it,
so, you know...
278
00:18:07,915 --> 00:18:09,712
maybe it's 50-50.
279
00:18:09,817 --> 00:18:12,843
They stated that Matt came on to them,
that he approached them.
280
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,550
I absolutely, positively disbelieve
and refute that statement 100 percent.
281
00:18:17,624 --> 00:18:20,354
I'll give you two reasons why.
One, character reference.
282
00:18:20,427 --> 00:18:24,386
Why would he approach them? He wasn't
approaching anyone else in the bar.
283
00:18:24,464 --> 00:18:27,194
Okay, they say he's gay,
that he was a flaming gay.
284
00:18:27,267 --> 00:18:28,996
He's gonna come on to people like that.
285
00:18:29,069 --> 00:18:31,799
Bullshit! He never came on to me.
I mean, hello! Come on.
286
00:18:31,872 --> 00:18:34,170
He's gonna approach these two guys?
Please.
287
00:18:34,241 --> 00:18:38,177
And two, territorialism.
Matt was sitting there.
288
00:18:38,245 --> 00:18:40,042
Aaron and Russell were back there.
289
00:18:40,113 --> 00:18:43,276
Upon their first interaction,
they were in Matt's area...
290
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:46,114
the area that he had been
seen sitting all night long.
291
00:18:46,186 --> 00:18:47,915
So who approached who by that?
292
00:18:49,056 --> 00:18:51,616
He'd never not talk to someone
for any reason.
293
00:18:51,825 --> 00:18:55,420
If someone started talking to him,
he'd just be like, "Blah, blah, blah. "
294
00:18:56,630 --> 00:19:00,498
He had no problem just striking up
a conversation with anybody.
295
00:19:00,634 --> 00:19:02,295
This is what I'm testifying to...
296
00:19:02,369 --> 00:19:05,133
because basically
I'm the key eyewitness in the case.
297
00:19:05,205 --> 00:19:09,005
Basically, I'm going to be testifying
that I saw Matthew leave.
298
00:19:09,109 --> 00:19:12,943
I saw two individuals leave with Matthew
Shepard, and I didn't see their faces.
299
00:19:13,013 --> 00:19:17,040
I saw the back of their heads. At this time,
Mckinney and Henderson aren't around.
300
00:19:17,117 --> 00:19:18,744
You do the math.
301
00:20:05,632 --> 00:20:08,032
I'm not super familiar with that area...
302
00:20:08,835 --> 00:20:13,772
which now makes me think that
God wanted me to find him.
303
00:20:15,976 --> 00:20:17,967
I was going for a ride on my bike...
304
00:20:18,779 --> 00:20:23,512
and I noticed something
just laying there by the fence.
305
00:20:25,886 --> 00:20:27,820
I think it's a scarecrow.
306
00:20:28,956 --> 00:20:31,049
Halloween's coming up.
307
00:20:31,158 --> 00:20:33,786
I think it's a Halloween gag.
308
00:20:34,695 --> 00:20:38,062
I even noticed his chest
moving up and down.
309
00:20:39,032 --> 00:20:43,435
I still thought it was a dummy.
I thought it was some kind of mechanism.
310
00:20:45,605 --> 00:20:46,697
But when I...
311
00:20:49,576 --> 00:20:51,100
When I saw hair...
312
00:20:52,946 --> 00:20:54,243
his hair...
313
00:20:57,918 --> 00:20:59,909
I knew it was a human being.
314
00:21:01,388 --> 00:21:02,821
So what'd you do?
315
00:21:04,091 --> 00:21:07,720
I ran to the nearest house
as fast as I could and called the police.
316
00:21:09,396 --> 00:21:12,126
The Sheriff's Department
held a news conference today.
317
00:21:12,199 --> 00:21:17,034
They're investigating the attempted
murder of 22-year-old Matthew Shepard.
318
00:21:17,337 --> 00:21:19,737
The Sheriff says
they found the man badly beaten...
319
00:21:19,806 --> 00:21:22,206
and unconscious,
tied to a fence last night.
320
00:21:24,211 --> 00:21:26,873
The brutal attack left
Matthew Shepard in a coma.
321
00:21:26,947 --> 00:21:30,906
The bicyclist who found him
said he first thought it was a scarecrow.
322
00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:32,781
In jail now, charged with the crime...
323
00:21:32,853 --> 00:21:36,220
21-year-old Russell Henderson
and Aaron Mckinney, of kidnapping...
324
00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:38,314
The victim, Matthew Shepard...
325
00:21:38,392 --> 00:21:42,089
is in very critical condition at this hour
in Poudre Valley Hospital.
326
00:21:48,869 --> 00:21:51,736
The arraignment took place on Friday
around lunchtime.
327
00:21:52,406 --> 00:21:54,397
More details about the case
had come out...
328
00:21:54,474 --> 00:21:57,807
like the fact that the perpetrators
themselves were kids.
329
00:21:58,478 --> 00:22:02,915
kids, local kids, that everyone who's from
around here has some relationship to.
330
00:22:09,556 --> 00:22:12,548
So then a judge comes in
and does a reading of the facts.
331
00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:18,254
The Defendants, Aaron James Mckinney
and Russell Arthur Henderson...
332
00:22:19,032 --> 00:22:21,500
met Matthew Shepard at the Fireside Bar.
333
00:22:22,035 --> 00:22:24,367
After Mr. Shepard confided he was gay...
334
00:22:24,438 --> 00:22:26,804
the subjects deceived Mr. Shepard...
335
00:22:26,873 --> 00:22:30,138
into leaving with them
in their vehicle to a remote area.
336
00:22:31,378 --> 00:22:36,372
En route to said location, Mr. Shepard
was struck in the head with a pistol...
337
00:22:37,017 --> 00:22:39,451
and upon arrival at said area...
338
00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:42,488
both subjects tied their victim
to a buck fence...
339
00:22:42,556 --> 00:22:47,357
robbed him, tortured him,
and continued to beat and terrorize him.
340
00:22:48,295 --> 00:22:53,164
When I got to the fence,
I seen what appeared to be a young man...
341
00:22:53,467 --> 00:22:57,460
13 or 14 years of age,
because he was so tiny, laying there...
342
00:22:57,537 --> 00:23:01,166
and he was bound
to the bottom of the pole.
343
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:06,104
- What did you do?
- I did the best I could.
344
00:23:06,179 --> 00:23:08,647
He was covered in dried blood
all over his head.
345
00:23:08,715 --> 00:23:11,582
The only place that
there wasn't any blood...
346
00:23:11,885 --> 00:23:15,753
was what appeared to be where
he had been crying down his face.
347
00:23:16,123 --> 00:23:17,590
You know...
348
00:23:18,291 --> 00:23:20,282
he did not look normal.
349
00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:23,959
I could tell that he had
a very harsh head wound.
350
00:23:24,798 --> 00:23:27,164
You expect these kinds of injuries
from somebody...
351
00:23:27,234 --> 00:23:30,067
crashing down a hill
in a car at 80 miles an hour.
352
00:23:30,137 --> 00:23:33,595
You expect to see gross injuries
from something like that...
353
00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,641
this horrendous, terrible thing.
354
00:23:36,510 --> 00:23:40,503
But you don't expect to see someone
doing this to another person.
355
00:23:41,047 --> 00:23:43,379
Both defendants were later
contacted by officers...
356
00:23:43,450 --> 00:23:47,045
from the Laramie Police Department,
who observed inside their pickup...
357
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,214
a credit card
and a pair of black patent-leather shoes...
358
00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,588
belonging to the victim, Matthew Shepard.
359
00:23:52,692 --> 00:23:56,594
The thing that shocked me is,
it was a pristine crime scene.
360
00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:58,327
How do you mean?
361
00:23:58,632 --> 00:24:01,226
The tire tracks,
the impressions that the tire made...
362
00:24:01,301 --> 00:24:03,667
they were perfect
because of the Sandy soil.
363
00:24:03,737 --> 00:24:07,104
And we found a carpet fragment
from inside the truck.
364
00:24:07,174 --> 00:24:09,368
That will always shock me until this day.
365
00:24:09,602 --> 00:24:11,467
In Wyoming, the wind's so strong...
366
00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:15,337
you usually never find something
like that at an exterior crime scene.
367
00:24:17,243 --> 00:24:20,337
His hands were thumbs out,
what we call the cuffing position.
368
00:24:20,413 --> 00:24:22,643
It's how we handcuff people.
369
00:24:22,982 --> 00:24:25,678
He was tied with a real thin white rope...
370
00:24:26,085 --> 00:24:30,988
and it was wound around the bottom of
the pole about four inches off the ground.
371
00:24:32,325 --> 00:24:34,190
His shoes were missing.
372
00:24:35,628 --> 00:24:38,392
He was tied extremely tight,
so I used my boot knife.
373
00:24:38,498 --> 00:24:41,365
I tried to slip it in there,
between the rope and his wrist.
374
00:24:43,402 --> 00:24:45,597
I had to be extremely careful...
375
00:24:45,671 --> 00:24:48,333
so as not to harm Matthew any further.
376
00:24:49,008 --> 00:24:52,205
I was yelling at him at the top
of my lungs, "Hey, wake up!"
377
00:24:52,278 --> 00:24:54,769
Something,
just trying to get anything out of him.
378
00:24:55,715 --> 00:24:58,741
He didn't move, he didn't flinch,
he didn't anything.
379
00:24:59,318 --> 00:25:03,277
We rolled him over onto his left side.
When we did that, he stopped breathing.
380
00:25:03,356 --> 00:25:05,824
I immediately got him back on his back.
381
00:25:06,259 --> 00:25:08,693
And that was just enough
of an adjustment.
382
00:25:08,794 --> 00:25:13,595
It gave me just enough room for me to
slip my knife in there and to cut him free.
383
00:25:14,867 --> 00:25:18,963
And then Rob drove the ambulance to
Ivinson Hospital's emergency room.
384
00:25:19,205 --> 00:25:24,199
Once we saw Matthew, it was obvious
that his care was beyond our capabilities.
385
00:25:25,177 --> 00:25:28,112
Phoned the neurosurgeon
over at Poudre Valley...
386
00:25:29,215 --> 00:25:33,879
and Matthew was on his way
in an hour and 15 minutes, I think.
387
00:25:34,954 --> 00:25:38,412
A couple of days later,
they showed me a picture of Matthew.
388
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960
I would have never recognized him.
389
00:25:46,032 --> 00:25:48,193
Said defendants left the victim...
390
00:25:48,668 --> 00:25:52,195
tied to the fence, begging for his life.
391
00:25:55,441 --> 00:25:58,103
You'd like to think
it was somebody from out of town...
392
00:25:58,177 --> 00:26:00,737
that's come through
and beaten up somebody.
393
00:26:01,347 --> 00:26:04,510
But when you're seeing someone
who's been beaten...
394
00:26:04,817 --> 00:26:07,911
repeatedly by someone in our own town...
395
00:26:08,254 --> 00:26:10,381
now that certainly offends us.
396
00:26:10,923 --> 00:26:12,584
And that's a good word.
397
00:26:12,858 --> 00:26:14,519
It offends us.
398
00:26:15,728 --> 00:26:19,528
The defendants will remain in the custody
of the County Sheriff's Department...
399
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,033
until dates can be set for their trials.
400
00:26:43,422 --> 00:26:44,821
It was huge.
401
00:26:44,957 --> 00:26:47,926
It was herds,
and we are talking hundreds of reporters...
402
00:26:47,994 --> 00:26:50,758
which makes a huge dent
in this town's population.
403
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:53,697
Laramie, Wyoming,
often called "the gem city of the plains"...
404
00:26:53,766 --> 00:26:55,461
is now at the eye of the storm.
405
00:26:55,534 --> 00:26:58,594
People would like to think
what happened is the exception...
406
00:26:58,671 --> 00:27:03,108
There were reporters everywhere,
news trucks in town, on campus...
407
00:27:03,175 --> 00:27:05,643
and we are not used to
that type of attention.
408
00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:09,613
Aaron Mckinney and Russell Henderson
came from the poor side of town.
409
00:27:09,682 --> 00:27:11,650
This small city that bills itself as...
410
00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:15,551
"Wyoming's hometown" is wrestling
with its attitudes towards gay men.
411
00:27:15,688 --> 00:27:17,849
It's tough business,
as Matt Shepard knew...
412
00:27:17,923 --> 00:27:21,552
and as all his friends know,
to be gay in cowboy country.
413
00:27:21,927 --> 00:27:25,624
And to get that kind of exposure under
such tragic circumstances...
414
00:27:25,698 --> 00:27:30,692
under circumstances that we hadn't even
wrapped our heads and hearts around...
415
00:27:31,871 --> 00:27:33,964
The majority of people here
are good people.
416
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,769
You get bad apples once in a while.
417
00:27:35,841 --> 00:27:37,672
Our citizens are not like that at all.
418
00:27:37,743 --> 00:27:41,304
You people are making my son guilty
before he's even had a trial.
419
00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:42,574
How can this happen?
420
00:27:42,648 --> 00:27:46,175
I can't understand how someone
can even do something like that.
421
00:27:46,285 --> 00:27:48,651
You have your own lifestyle,
you should have it.
422
00:27:48,721 --> 00:27:52,054
- It's pretty much live-and-let-live.
- It's live-and-let-live.
423
00:27:52,158 --> 00:27:56,219
I am outraged and sickened by the heinous
crime committed on Matthew Shepard.
424
00:27:56,295 --> 00:28:00,925
A young gay man is in a deep coma.
It's a crime that goes beyond despicable.
425
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,231
Let it be known in the nation
this is not the University of Wyoming.
426
00:28:04,303 --> 00:28:05,531
This is not what we're about.
427
00:28:05,604 --> 00:28:08,630
Had this been a heterosexual,
this wouldn't have made the news.
428
00:28:08,708 --> 00:28:11,541
I don't think there's any problem
gay people deal with here.
429
00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:16,047
We had these guys in jail in less than
a day. I think that's pretty damn good.
430
00:28:16,115 --> 00:28:20,176
Hundreds of people are urging Congress
to pass a federal law banning hate crimes.
431
00:28:20,252 --> 00:28:23,744
I would like to urge the people
of Wyoming against overreacting...
432
00:28:23,823 --> 00:28:26,656
in a way that gives one group
special rights over others.
433
00:28:26,726 --> 00:28:29,524
We will wait and see
if the vicious beating and torture...
434
00:28:29,595 --> 00:28:32,029
of Matthew Shepard was motivated by hate.
435
00:28:35,301 --> 00:28:37,428
Oh, my God.
436
00:28:39,972 --> 00:28:42,167
Anybody else wanna do this?
437
00:28:52,518 --> 00:28:57,478
Matthew Shepard was admitted
in critical condition...
438
00:28:57,723 --> 00:29:00,988
at approximately (:15 on October 7.
439
00:29:01,894 --> 00:29:06,854
When he arrived, he was unresponsive
and breathing support was being provided.
440
00:29:07,767 --> 00:29:11,669
Matthew's major injuries upon arrival
consisted of hypothermia...
441
00:29:11,737 --> 00:29:15,366
and of a fracture from behind his head...
442
00:29:15,641 --> 00:29:18,303
to just in front of the right ear.
443
00:29:19,612 --> 00:29:24,572
This has caused bleeding in the brain,
as well as pressure on the brain.
444
00:29:25,151 --> 00:29:26,914
Friday night the parents arrived...
445
00:29:26,986 --> 00:29:30,888
and I went and introduced myself
to Dennis and Judy.
446
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:34,250
It was awful. Those poor people.
447
00:29:34,794 --> 00:29:39,060
Matthew's temperature has fluctuated
over the last 24 hours...
448
00:29:39,131 --> 00:29:42,430
between (8 and 106 degrees.
449
00:29:42,535 --> 00:29:45,333
We arranged a police escort
to bring them up.
450
00:29:45,771 --> 00:29:47,898
We set them up
in one of our conference rooms...
451
00:29:47,973 --> 00:29:51,067
gave them food around the clock,
gave them a place to stay.
452
00:29:51,343 --> 00:29:53,868
The following is a statement from them.
453
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,748
"First of all,
we want to thank the American public... "
454
00:29:56,816 --> 00:29:59,216
"for their kind thoughts about Matthew... "
455
00:29:59,285 --> 00:30:02,277
"and their fond wishes
for his speedy recovery. "
456
00:30:02,721 --> 00:30:05,349
"We appreciate your prayers
and good will... "
457
00:30:05,457 --> 00:30:07,220
"and we know that... "
458
00:30:07,726 --> 00:30:10,559
"they are something that Matthew
would appreciate, too. "
459
00:30:10,796 --> 00:30:13,026
I went up and said:
460
00:30:13,966 --> 00:30:17,959
"You all tell me what you want me to do
or what you want me to say... "
461
00:30:18,037 --> 00:30:21,336
"or anything you need,
and we'll provide it for you. "
462
00:30:21,507 --> 00:30:24,999
"We also have a special request
for members of the media. "
463
00:30:25,344 --> 00:30:29,110
"We ask that you respect our privacy,
as well as Matthew's... "
464
00:30:29,481 --> 00:30:32,939
"so we can concentrate
all of our efforts, thoughts... "
465
00:30:33,719 --> 00:30:35,550
"and love on our son. "
466
00:30:36,121 --> 00:30:38,021
"Thank you very much. "
467
00:30:40,326 --> 00:30:43,454
Russell Henderson and Aaron Mckinney
have pled not guilty...
468
00:30:43,529 --> 00:30:46,259
to the charges of kidnapping,
aggravated robbery...
469
00:30:46,332 --> 00:30:48,493
and attempted murder in the first degree.
470
00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:50,694
Russell was just so sweet.
471
00:30:50,903 --> 00:30:53,030
He's the one that was the Eagle Scout.
472
00:30:53,105 --> 00:30:57,405
His whole presence was just quiet
and sweet. He was raised a Mormon.
473
00:30:57,476 --> 00:31:00,741
He was active in that when he was
younger, as an elder in the Church.
474
00:31:00,813 --> 00:31:04,340
Of course it doesn't make sense to me.
I know people snap and whatever...
475
00:31:04,416 --> 00:31:08,853
and like I said, it wasn't a real intimate
relationship. I was just his landlord.
476
00:31:09,088 --> 00:31:10,749
I remember at the Christmas party...
477
00:31:10,823 --> 00:31:14,623
he was totally drunk out of his mind,
you know, like we all were.
478
00:31:15,461 --> 00:31:19,124
He wasn't belligerent. He didn't change.
His personality didn't change.
479
00:31:19,198 --> 00:31:22,735
He was still the same little meek Russell.
480
00:31:22,869 --> 00:31:24,302
Aaron was a good kid.
481
00:31:24,370 --> 00:31:26,463
That's why I was shocked
when I heard this.
482
00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:30,236
He had been living out with his girl.
They just started dating last summer.
483
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:34,269
They must have gotten pregnant as soon
as they started dating. They had a kid.
484
00:31:34,347 --> 00:31:36,975
21 years old,
but he's running around with a kid.
485
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:39,480
When I first heard,
I thought it was really awful.
486
00:31:39,552 --> 00:31:42,885
I don't know whether Aaron was fucked up
or coming down or what...
487
00:31:42,956 --> 00:31:45,151
but Matthew had money.
488
00:31:45,225 --> 00:31:49,161
Shit, he had better clothes than I did.
Matthew was a little rich bitch.
489
00:31:49,229 --> 00:31:51,424
You shouldn't call him that. It's not right.
490
00:31:51,497 --> 00:31:53,692
I'm not saying he's a bad guy,
I'm just saying...
491
00:31:53,766 --> 00:31:57,293
he's in the wrong place at the
wrong time, he said the wrong thing.
492
00:31:57,370 --> 00:32:01,170
Aaron was always dressing up big,
you know, big clothes...
493
00:32:02,008 --> 00:32:04,169
Tommy Hilfiger, you know.
494
00:32:04,344 --> 00:32:06,039
Polo, Gucci, I don't know.
495
00:32:06,713 --> 00:32:10,774
It probably pissed him off that Matthew
was gay, because he didn't like...
496
00:32:11,918 --> 00:32:15,820
The gay people I've seen him interact with
or that I've heard him talk about...
497
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:19,689
he was fine with
as long as they didn't hit on him...
498
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,588
or as long as, you know,
it didn't come up.
499
00:32:24,664 --> 00:32:26,928
When I knew Aaron,
he was just a young kid.
500
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,959
He was trying to fit in, acting tough,
acting cool. But you know what?
501
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:33,263
You could get in his face about it...
502
00:32:33,339 --> 00:32:36,433
and he would back down
like he was some kind of scared kid.
503
00:32:36,776 --> 00:32:40,974
If I saw Aaron right now, I'd just be like,
"Why did you fuck up like that?"
504
00:32:41,381 --> 00:32:43,372
I wanna shake him, you know?
505
00:32:43,816 --> 00:32:47,479
"What were you thinking?
What in the hell were you thinking?"
506
00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:55,386
Hello?
507
00:32:55,628 --> 00:32:56,856
This is her.
508
00:32:57,497 --> 00:32:59,158
Hi, Doctor.
509
00:33:00,166 --> 00:33:01,292
How is he?
510
00:33:05,171 --> 00:33:06,433
Yes.
511
00:33:09,042 --> 00:33:10,339
I see.
512
00:33:11,844 --> 00:33:13,641
Can you hang on for a moment?
513
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,810
Mom, can you hang this up?
I'm gonna take it in there.
514
00:33:20,586 --> 00:33:21,780
I'm here.
515
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:24,884
Yes.
516
00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:27,222
The part I wasn't telling you about before...
517
00:33:28,461 --> 00:33:30,622
is that Reggie Fluty is my daughter.
518
00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:35,126
When she told me she wanted
to be a police officer...
519
00:33:35,201 --> 00:33:37,533
I thought there was not
a better choice for her.
520
00:33:37,603 --> 00:33:40,197
She could handle whatever came her way.
521
00:33:42,075 --> 00:33:43,838
And then this happens.
522
00:33:49,515 --> 00:33:51,278
That was the hospital.
523
00:33:55,321 --> 00:33:58,688
Matthew Shepard is HIV positive, and...
524
00:33:59,926 --> 00:34:02,053
they said I've been exposed.
525
00:34:02,829 --> 00:34:03,829
What?
526
00:34:08,568 --> 00:34:11,503
They said I've been exposed
to the AIDS virus.
527
00:34:13,172 --> 00:34:17,040
Because I've been building
the lean-tos for the llamas...
528
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:20,737
and I have a bunch of open cuts
on my hands, and...
529
00:34:22,048 --> 00:34:25,347
I got his blood on my hands.
530
00:34:25,885 --> 00:34:28,285
How did you get it on your hands?
531
00:34:28,421 --> 00:34:32,380
We have shit gloves, you know,
and I kept putting them on and...
532
00:34:32,492 --> 00:34:35,427
you keep putting them on,
and they keep breaking, so...
533
00:34:35,962 --> 00:34:38,522
finally, I ran out.
534
00:34:39,165 --> 00:34:41,998
You touched him without gloves?
535
00:34:43,736 --> 00:34:46,296
You cannot let
a human being just sit there.
536
00:34:46,372 --> 00:34:47,372
Reggie!
537
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,840
Don't hesitate,
that's what goes through your mind.
538
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:51,968
Don't hesitate, all the time.
539
00:34:52,045 --> 00:34:56,209
So you just keep on moving,
and you take care of Matthew...
540
00:34:56,282 --> 00:35:00,241
and you try to find an open airway,
and that's what you do.
541
00:35:01,521 --> 00:35:04,251
Quite frankly,
I wanted to lash out at somebody.
542
00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:10,792
Not Matthew, please understand that.
Not one of us was mad at Matthew.
543
00:35:11,297 --> 00:35:14,755
We maybe wanted to squeeze
Mckinney's head off.
544
00:35:15,301 --> 00:35:17,633
And I think about Henderson...
545
00:35:18,037 --> 00:35:20,505
You know, two absolutely...
546
00:35:21,574 --> 00:35:25,943
human beings caused so much grief
for so many people.
547
00:35:26,446 --> 00:35:29,438
They wanna start me
on these AZT drugs immediately.
548
00:35:29,682 --> 00:35:31,445
If you...
549
00:35:32,785 --> 00:35:35,049
if you start them within 36 hours...
550
00:35:35,121 --> 00:35:38,318
maybe that can stop you
from getting the disease.
551
00:35:39,392 --> 00:35:41,860
This has been just terrible
for my whole family...
552
00:35:41,928 --> 00:35:44,419
but mostly for her and her kids.
553
00:35:44,764 --> 00:35:47,756
Those drugs, the AZT drugs.
554
00:35:49,335 --> 00:35:51,030
She throws up every day.
555
00:35:51,437 --> 00:35:54,372
She cries so much,
she's afraid to touch her kids.
556
00:35:56,042 --> 00:35:58,374
I just hope she doesn't go before me.
557
00:36:22,835 --> 00:36:25,531
No matter how you dice it,
I did have the opportunity.
558
00:36:26,806 --> 00:36:29,570
If I had had amazing 20-20 hindsight...
559
00:36:29,642 --> 00:36:34,636
I had the opportunity to stop what
occurred that night. I could have.
560
00:36:34,881 --> 00:36:37,873
I should have known these guys
shouldn't be talking to him.
561
00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:39,508
I shouldn't have had my head down...
562
00:36:39,585 --> 00:36:41,883
while I was washing dishes
for those 20 seconds.
563
00:36:41,954 --> 00:36:45,720
All those little things I could've done,
and I could've stopped this.
564
00:36:46,993 --> 00:36:48,893
So what the hell was I thinking?
565
00:36:53,466 --> 00:36:56,128
And I keep seeing that picture in my head...
566
00:36:56,202 --> 00:36:58,067
of when I found him.
567
00:36:58,838 --> 00:37:01,238
And it is not pleasant whatsoever.
568
00:37:01,307 --> 00:37:04,299
I wanna get it out. I don't want it in there.
569
00:37:06,345 --> 00:37:09,781
That's a big part of it for me,
having to see that picture...
570
00:37:11,717 --> 00:37:15,710
in my head. I just don't want it in there.
571
00:37:18,524 --> 00:37:21,721
Matthew Shepard's
the first gay person I ever saw.
572
00:37:22,595 --> 00:37:26,895
It's kind of unbelievable to me that
I was the person that found him...
573
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,635
because the big question
with my religion is:
574
00:37:32,305 --> 00:37:34,432
Why did God want me to find him?
575
00:37:35,541 --> 00:37:39,409
"Let your light shine. "
576
00:37:39,779 --> 00:37:43,112
"In the darkness. "
577
00:37:43,482 --> 00:37:47,919
"Before the dawn. "
578
00:37:48,287 --> 00:37:52,223
"No more sorrow. "
579
00:37:52,592 --> 00:37:56,892
"In the nighttime"
580
00:37:56,963 --> 00:37:59,864
"let it shine. "
581
00:37:59,932 --> 00:38:03,959
"Oh, lord, let it shine. "
582
00:38:04,036 --> 00:38:07,130
Candlelight vigils were held
around the country last night.
583
00:38:09,275 --> 00:38:12,073
Denver, Fort Collins, Detroit, Chicago...
584
00:38:12,144 --> 00:38:14,408
Washington DC, Atlanta...
585
00:38:17,483 --> 00:38:20,043
All expressing hopes for
Matthew's full recovery.
586
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,882
I can't stop crying.
587
00:38:21,921 --> 00:38:24,614
This is what I was trying to stop.
588
00:38:24,782 --> 00:38:29,151
We must do more to deal...
589
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:32,155
with violent bigotry, hate crimes...
590
00:38:32,423 --> 00:38:36,951
I hope that in the grief of this moment
and in the shared outrage across America...
591
00:38:37,795 --> 00:38:40,662
Americans will once again
search their hearts...
592
00:38:41,332 --> 00:38:44,995
and do what they can to reduce
their own fear and anxiety...
593
00:38:45,570 --> 00:38:48,505
and anger at people who are different.
594
00:38:49,007 --> 00:38:53,205
And I hope that Congress will pass
the hate crimes legislation.
595
00:39:08,526 --> 00:39:11,893
I think the gay community
is taking this as an advantage:
596
00:39:12,063 --> 00:39:14,896
"This is a good time for us to exploit this. "
597
00:39:14,966 --> 00:39:17,992
They made it sound like
it was ten murders instead of one.
598
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:22,199
They're accusing the ranchers of being
unreasonable and unsympathetic...
599
00:39:22,273 --> 00:39:23,706
because of how he was...
600
00:39:23,775 --> 00:39:25,470
And what his persuasions were.
601
00:39:25,543 --> 00:39:28,478
Well, he would certainly
be welcome in our home.
602
00:39:28,946 --> 00:39:31,847
We'd visit, sit down, have a cup of coffee.
603
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:36,117
What did you think when you heard
two boys from your town did this?
604
00:39:36,187 --> 00:39:38,747
I certainly don't approve of homosexuals...
605
00:39:39,324 --> 00:39:42,919
but I don't think anybody has a right
to do what those two boys did.
606
00:39:42,994 --> 00:39:46,395
Where do you think that comes from,
their hatred towards homosexuals?
607
00:39:46,597 --> 00:39:51,057
I think what most people fear
in the gay community...
608
00:39:51,135 --> 00:39:53,865
is that sexuality is
their number one concern.
609
00:39:53,938 --> 00:39:55,530
Not many people condone it...
610
00:39:55,606 --> 00:39:58,302
When you wear it on your sleeve
like a banner...
611
00:39:58,609 --> 00:40:02,477
There's this whole idea,
"You leave me alone, I leave you alone. "
612
00:40:02,547 --> 00:40:05,948
It's even in some of the western literature.
"live and let live. "
613
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:10,644
That is such crap.
Basically, what it boils down to...
614
00:40:10,722 --> 00:40:14,818
if I don't tell you I'm a fag,
you won't beat the crap out of me.
615
00:40:15,393 --> 00:40:17,020
What's so great about that?
616
00:40:18,029 --> 00:40:19,792
That's a great philosophy?
617
00:40:20,331 --> 00:40:23,164
I'll sit in church and the reverend
will tell you flat out...
618
00:40:23,234 --> 00:40:25,702
he does not agree
with homosexuality, right?
619
00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:28,432
I don't feel like I know enough
about certain things...
620
00:40:28,506 --> 00:40:31,339
just to be able to say
that homosexuality is right...
621
00:40:31,409 --> 00:40:35,106
when I've been raised my whole life
that homosexuality is wrong.
622
00:40:35,179 --> 00:40:37,704
My parents brought me up Catholic.
623
00:40:37,949 --> 00:40:41,510
I was brought up
to love the sinner, hate the sin.
624
00:40:42,186 --> 00:40:44,677
Love the person for who they are,
but condemn them...
625
00:40:44,756 --> 00:40:47,190
for what they do. Condemn the lifestyle.
626
00:40:47,258 --> 00:40:49,385
I would have to say now
I don't agree with it.
627
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:52,793
I don't agree, and maybe that's just
because I couldn't do it...
628
00:40:53,531 --> 00:40:55,761
but I don't hate them,
I won't persecute them.
629
00:40:55,833 --> 00:40:59,234
I'm not gonna let this get in between
me and the other person at all...
630
00:40:59,303 --> 00:41:00,964
or in between you and I.
631
00:41:01,038 --> 00:41:02,630
Not at all.
632
00:41:03,207 --> 00:41:06,540
It's preached in schools
that being gay is okay.
633
00:41:07,845 --> 00:41:11,110
If my kids asked me,
I'd set them down and I'd tell them:
634
00:41:11,182 --> 00:41:13,377
"This is what gay people do. "
635
00:41:13,785 --> 00:41:15,946
"This is what animals do, okay?"
636
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:20,548
I'd tell them, "This is the life.
This is the lifestyle. This is what they do. "
637
00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:24,951
And I'd say,
"This is why I believe it's wrong. "
638
00:41:25,129 --> 00:41:27,893
Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!
639
00:41:33,438 --> 00:41:37,670
In New York, the protests for
Matthew Shepard turned into a near riot.
640
00:41:37,742 --> 00:41:40,506
Police on horses were pushing
into the crowds.
641
00:41:50,621 --> 00:41:52,919
The whole world is watching!
642
00:41:59,130 --> 00:42:03,897
As of (:00 A.M. today, Matthew Shepard
remains in critical condition...
643
00:42:03,968 --> 00:42:07,927
with severe head injuries in the
surgical neuro intensive care unit.
644
00:42:09,841 --> 00:42:14,107
As I told you before,
it's not a lifestyle with which I agree.
645
00:42:14,812 --> 00:42:16,336
You still feel that way?
646
00:42:17,181 --> 00:42:18,205
Yes.
647
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:21,612
The family continues to emphasize...
648
00:42:22,153 --> 00:42:24,815
that the media respect their privacy.
649
00:42:24,889 --> 00:42:28,188
The family also wants to thank
the American public...
650
00:42:28,326 --> 00:42:32,194
for their concern
and kind thoughts for Matthew.
651
00:42:32,263 --> 00:42:34,390
We went to the candle vigil and...
652
00:42:34,665 --> 00:42:37,964
it was so good to be with people
who felt like shit.
653
00:42:38,302 --> 00:42:41,635
I kept feeling like
I don't deserve to feel this bad.
654
00:42:42,173 --> 00:42:43,970
Somebody got up and said, "Come on... "
655
00:42:44,041 --> 00:42:47,442
"let's show the world that Laramie
is not this kind of a town. "
656
00:42:47,512 --> 00:42:49,480
But it is this kind of a town.
657
00:42:50,281 --> 00:42:52,647
If it wasn't, then why did this happen here?
658
00:42:52,717 --> 00:42:55,845
I mean, that's a lie,
because it happened here.
659
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,185
So how could it not be a town
where this kind of thing happens?
660
00:42:59,257 --> 00:43:01,122
How can you even say that?
661
00:43:01,492 --> 00:43:06,088
We have to mourn this, and
we have to be sad, but we live in a town...
662
00:43:06,664 --> 00:43:09,997
a state, a country
where shit like this happens.
663
00:43:10,401 --> 00:43:13,234
People are trying to distance
themselves from this crime...
664
00:43:13,304 --> 00:43:17,138
and we need to own this crime, I feel.
Everyone needs to own it.
665
00:43:17,975 --> 00:43:19,499
We are like this.
666
00:43:20,611 --> 00:43:24,138
We are like this. We are like this.
667
00:43:25,049 --> 00:43:28,382
Not having to deal that much with
the gay community here in Laramie...
668
00:43:28,452 --> 00:43:31,580
once we started working
into the case and actually...
669
00:43:31,989 --> 00:43:36,221
talking to people that were gay, realizing
what their underlying fears were...
670
00:43:36,594 --> 00:43:38,926
that's when it sort of hit home.
671
00:43:39,797 --> 00:43:41,321
This is America.
672
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,760
You don't have the right to feel that fear.
673
00:43:43,834 --> 00:43:46,496
Do you think a lot of people
in Laramie feel the same way?
674
00:43:46,571 --> 00:43:49,938
We're always gonna have people
that hold up the old ideals...
675
00:43:50,174 --> 00:43:52,836
and I was probably one of them
14 months ago.
676
00:43:53,344 --> 00:43:56,279
But I'm not gonna put up with it anymore
or listen to it.
677
00:43:56,347 --> 00:44:00,044
And if they don't like my views on it, fine.
The door goes both ways.
678
00:44:00,785 --> 00:44:04,152
I've already lost a couple of buddies,
but I don't care.
679
00:44:05,823 --> 00:44:07,688
I feel more comfortable...
680
00:44:08,392 --> 00:44:10,189
and I can sleep at night now.
681
00:44:11,929 --> 00:44:15,797
- I really wanna thank you for having us.
- Sure, it's our pleasure.
682
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,194
These gatherings,
this is a recent thing for us.
683
00:44:19,637 --> 00:44:22,003
This really only happened since Matthew.
684
00:44:22,073 --> 00:44:24,405
And there's a relief
in that we finally connected.
685
00:44:24,475 --> 00:44:27,308
It's nice to see
there are a lot of us in Laramie.
686
00:44:28,613 --> 00:44:30,547
Is everybody in the company gay?
687
00:44:30,615 --> 00:44:32,480
No, just the three of us.
688
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:34,609
- Are you out?
- Yes.
689
00:44:35,286 --> 00:44:37,948
I wasn't out before, actually.
690
00:44:38,055 --> 00:44:42,754
But I thought, "Probably they all know,
but I'm not gonna tell anyone. "
691
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:46,257
In the long run,
your self-esteem just becomes shit...
692
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:49,092
and I just couldn't
live like that anymore.
693
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,135
A lot of people decided that
they didn't wanna hide anymore.
694
00:44:52,203 --> 00:44:56,731
I still don't feel that free to be out here.
No one's asking, I'm not telling.
695
00:44:56,974 --> 00:45:00,910
I've always been out and I know
how to take care of myself, but...
696
00:45:01,312 --> 00:45:04,076
since the episode,
I've been irrationally terrified...
697
00:45:04,148 --> 00:45:08,175
and what that means is, we don't let
our son walk around at night alone.
698
00:45:08,252 --> 00:45:12,052
Every time I see a pickup truck do a U-turn,
I think it's coming after me...
699
00:45:12,123 --> 00:45:15,149
and I'm shaking so badly,
I have to stop what I'm doing.
700
00:45:15,226 --> 00:45:17,091
I think it's because...
701
00:45:17,194 --> 00:45:20,721
somewhere inside,
we all know it could happen to us anytime.
702
00:45:30,412 --> 00:45:32,380
Since our last medical update...
703
00:45:32,481 --> 00:45:37,180
Matthew Shepard has remained in
critical condition with severe head injuries.
704
00:45:37,252 --> 00:45:40,619
As of today,
the hospital will no longer offer...
705
00:45:40,689 --> 00:45:43,351
medical updates on a scheduled basis.
706
00:45:43,425 --> 00:45:46,986
If Matthew's medical condition changes...
707
00:45:47,062 --> 00:45:49,462
we will issue a new medical update...
708
00:45:49,531 --> 00:45:54,491
and we will immediately contact as many
members of the media as is possible.
709
00:45:54,736 --> 00:45:55,998
Thank you.
710
00:45:59,074 --> 00:46:03,340
All eyes are on Laramie, Wyoming, today,
where many are turning their focus...
711
00:46:03,478 --> 00:46:05,241
to their homecoming parade...
712
00:46:05,314 --> 00:46:09,216
and the fortunes of the University
of Wyoming football team.
713
00:46:28,704 --> 00:46:32,071
This apartment has windows
on two opposite streets.
714
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:34,631
One goes north and the other goes south.
715
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:38,168
That is exactly
the homecoming parade route.
716
00:46:40,415 --> 00:46:44,511
On the day of the parade,
I had a cast on my leg because of a fall...
717
00:46:44,586 --> 00:46:49,285
and I was very disappointed because
I had heard that some students...
718
00:46:49,758 --> 00:46:52,591
were gonna be walking
for Matthew Shepard...
719
00:46:52,961 --> 00:46:57,193
and I wanted to join them, but I couldn't,
so I watched from that window.
720
00:46:57,432 --> 00:46:58,660
It was just...
721
00:47:00,068 --> 00:47:03,231
I'm 52 years old and I'm...
722
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,570
I'm gay.
723
00:47:06,675 --> 00:47:10,771
I've lived here for many years
and I've seen a lot.
724
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:15,783
And I was very moved
when I saw the tag...
725
00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:19,114
at the end of the homecoming parade.
726
00:47:26,595 --> 00:47:31,032
It was just a group of people walking
behind a banner for Matthew Shepard.
727
00:47:40,008 --> 00:47:44,104
But the parade,
it went down to the end of the block...
728
00:47:44,379 --> 00:47:46,506
made a U-turn around the block...
729
00:47:46,581 --> 00:47:48,879
and I came to the other side
of my apartment...
730
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:51,475
to watch for it to come south
down this street.
731
00:47:53,355 --> 00:47:56,256
Maybe 10 minutes went by.
732
00:48:00,195 --> 00:48:02,891
And then I saw the most...
733
00:48:03,632 --> 00:48:05,463
incredible thing.
734
00:48:08,704 --> 00:48:10,638
As the parade came down the street...
735
00:48:10,706 --> 00:48:13,732
the number of people marching
for Matthew Shepard...
736
00:48:13,809 --> 00:48:16,710
had grown, like, five times.
737
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,203
Can you imagine?
738
00:48:19,681 --> 00:48:21,444
The tag at the end...
739
00:48:22,017 --> 00:48:24,542
was bigger than the entire parade.
740
00:48:37,032 --> 00:48:38,727
I thought to myself:
741
00:48:39,634 --> 00:48:43,035
"Thank God I got to see this
in my lifetime. "
742
00:48:45,073 --> 00:48:47,166
And my second thought was:
743
00:48:49,177 --> 00:48:51,168
"Thank you, Matthew. "
744
00:49:00,956 --> 00:49:03,948
I really haven't been
all that involved, per se.
745
00:49:05,026 --> 00:49:09,690
My husband's a highway patrolman.
That's the only way I've known about it.
746
00:49:10,265 --> 00:49:12,563
But when I first found out...
747
00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:14,828
I just thought it was horrible.
748
00:49:16,104 --> 00:49:17,128
I just...
749
00:49:18,907 --> 00:49:20,238
I can't...
750
00:49:20,876 --> 00:49:22,639
Nobody deserves that.
751
00:49:24,446 --> 00:49:26,107
I don't care who you are.
752
00:49:26,748 --> 00:49:30,707
But I have to tell you,
the media's portraying him as a Saint.
753
00:49:31,653 --> 00:49:34,816
They're making him out as a martyr,
and I don't think he was.
754
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:36,750
Did you know him?
755
00:49:37,192 --> 00:49:39,524
No, I didn't know him...
756
00:49:39,828 --> 00:49:42,729
but there's so many things...
757
00:49:42,798 --> 00:49:45,858
I found about him, it's just scary.
758
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:50,663
About his character, and...
759
00:49:51,306 --> 00:49:54,434
spreading AIDS, and a few other things.
760
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:56,641
You know, being...
761
00:49:57,312 --> 00:49:59,337
About the kind of person he was.
762
00:49:59,648 --> 00:50:00,842
Meaning?
763
00:50:02,617 --> 00:50:03,811
Well...
764
00:50:04,486 --> 00:50:05,919
He was...
765
00:50:06,621 --> 00:50:08,248
He was just...
766
00:50:11,026 --> 00:50:12,550
a barfly.
767
00:50:13,428 --> 00:50:15,362
So, I think he...
768
00:50:15,597 --> 00:50:20,159
pushed himself on, around or,
I don't know. But I think he flaunted it.
769
00:50:21,903 --> 00:50:23,734
Another thing that wasn't brought out.
770
00:50:23,805 --> 00:50:27,332
Same time that happened, that patrolman
was killed and there was nothing.
771
00:50:27,676 --> 00:50:30,702
They didn't say anything
about that old man that killed him.
772
00:50:30,779 --> 00:50:32,371
He was driving down the road.
773
00:50:32,447 --> 00:50:34,642
He shouldn't have been driving
and he killed him.
774
00:50:34,716 --> 00:50:36,616
And there was just a little piece.
775
00:50:37,619 --> 00:50:39,644
And we lost one of our guys.
776
00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:43,447
You know, my husband worked with him.
777
00:50:43,992 --> 00:50:46,552
This man was brand new on the force.
778
00:50:47,229 --> 00:50:49,595
But, I mean, here's one of ours...
779
00:50:50,232 --> 00:50:52,928
and it was just a
little piece in the paper.
780
00:50:53,502 --> 00:50:56,665
But this was such a deliberate crime.
781
00:50:59,908 --> 00:51:01,671
Everybody's got problems.
782
00:51:03,478 --> 00:51:07,039
But why they're exemplifying
Matthew Shepard, I don't know.
783
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:11,613
A hate crime is a hate crime.
You murder somebody, you hate them.
784
00:51:11,686 --> 00:51:16,020
It has nothing to do if you're a gay
or a prostitute or...
785
00:51:16,224 --> 00:51:17,555
I don't know.
786
00:51:21,396 --> 00:51:22,886
I don't understand.
787
00:51:26,268 --> 00:51:27,667
I don't understand.
788
00:51:36,978 --> 00:51:41,779
November 29, 1998. We're about
to interview Father Roger Schmit.
789
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:45,442
Here we go.
Two queers and a Catholic priest.
790
00:51:46,788 --> 00:51:48,449
Matthew Shepard...
791
00:51:49,558 --> 00:51:51,423
has served us well.
792
00:51:52,994 --> 00:51:55,519
You realize that? He has served us well.
793
00:51:56,298 --> 00:51:58,095
I cannot mention anyone...
794
00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:01,567
who has done more for this community
than Matthew Shepard.
795
00:52:02,637 --> 00:52:07,631
And I'm not gonna sit here and say,
"I was just this bold guy, no fear. "
796
00:52:08,143 --> 00:52:09,906
I was scared.
797
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,842
I was very vocal in this community
when this happened...
798
00:52:13,915 --> 00:52:17,544
so I thought,
"Should we call the Bishop... "
799
00:52:18,019 --> 00:52:20,988
"and ask him permission to do the vigil?"
800
00:52:21,089 --> 00:52:22,420
And I was like:
801
00:52:23,725 --> 00:52:26,888
"Hell, no, I'm not going to do that. "
802
00:52:26,962 --> 00:52:29,931
"His permission doesn't make it correct. "
803
00:52:30,131 --> 00:52:31,928
And I'm not knocking bishops...
804
00:52:32,334 --> 00:52:35,064
but what is correct is correct.
805
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:39,754
You think violence is
what they did to Matthew?
806
00:52:40,388 --> 00:52:42,754
They did do violence to Matthew.
807
00:52:43,258 --> 00:52:44,657
But, you know...
808
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,619
Can I make this personal?
809
00:52:47,729 --> 00:52:49,219
Yeah. Sure.
810
00:52:49,598 --> 00:52:53,466
Every time you are called a fag...
811
00:52:54,436 --> 00:52:57,667
or you are called a lez or...
812
00:52:57,739 --> 00:53:00,970
- Or a dyke.
- Dyke, yeah, dyke.
813
00:53:01,743 --> 00:53:05,804
Do you realize that is violence?
That is the seed of violence.
814
00:53:05,881 --> 00:53:10,841
I would resent it immensely
if you use anything I said to...
815
00:53:11,319 --> 00:53:14,618
somehow cultivate that kind of violence.
816
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:17,818
Well, thank you, Father, for saying that.
817
00:53:17,893 --> 00:53:20,794
Just deal with what is true.
818
00:53:20,929 --> 00:53:23,625
You know what is true.
819
00:53:26,067 --> 00:53:29,628
You need to do your best to say it correct.
820
00:53:32,007 --> 00:53:35,465
These people trust us, you know.
They want...
821
00:53:36,444 --> 00:53:39,971
They want everyone to know
that they are not this crime.
822
00:53:43,551 --> 00:53:48,250
And it's more than clearing Laramie's
name, it's clearing their own, and...
823
00:53:48,924 --> 00:53:51,051
I don't know that we can do that.
824
00:53:59,634 --> 00:54:00,760
Reverend?
825
00:54:00,835 --> 00:54:02,359
- Reverend, hi.
- Yes?
826
00:54:02,437 --> 00:54:04,564
I'm Amanda.
I'm with the theatre company...
827
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,005
that's been speaking with people
here in Laramie.
828
00:54:07,075 --> 00:54:10,374
I see. Well, let me tell you...
829
00:54:11,446 --> 00:54:15,974
I don't know that I really want to talk
with anybody at all about this incident.
830
00:54:16,051 --> 00:54:20,613
I'm somewhat involved, and I really
don't feel like it's appropriate.
831
00:54:20,855 --> 00:54:24,848
I completely understand. I just wanted
to tell you, I went to your service.
832
00:54:24,926 --> 00:54:26,791
- You went to the services?
- Yes, I did.
833
00:54:26,861 --> 00:54:28,453
- On Sunday?
- Yes.
834
00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:30,725
- Did I meet you?
- Briefly.
835
00:54:30,999 --> 00:54:32,694
You welcomed us in the beginning.
836
00:54:33,435 --> 00:54:34,697
I see.
837
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,696
I will tell you that I am involved.
838
00:54:39,407 --> 00:54:41,204
Half the people in the case...
839
00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:45,109
The girlfriend of the accused
is a member of our congregation...
840
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:47,148
and one of the accused has visited.
841
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:48,407
Right.
842
00:54:48,483 --> 00:54:50,678
I think they deserve the death penalty...
843
00:54:50,752 --> 00:54:54,688
but I will try
to deal with them spiritually.
844
00:54:56,224 --> 00:54:58,124
As far as the victim...
845
00:55:00,061 --> 00:55:04,623
I know that that lifestyle is legal,
but I will tell you one thing.
846
00:55:04,699 --> 00:55:07,224
I hope Matthew Shepard...
847
00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:10,634
as he was tied to that fence...
848
00:55:11,206 --> 00:55:15,199
that he had time to reflect
on a moment when...
849
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:19,874
somebody had spoken
the Word of the lord to him...
850
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:24,375
and that before he slipped into a coma...
851
00:55:24,619 --> 00:55:28,715
he had a chance to
reflect on his lifestyle.
852
00:55:34,329 --> 00:55:37,696
Thank you, Reverend,
I appreciate your speaking with me.
853
00:55:37,766 --> 00:55:39,961
All right. We better go.
854
00:55:49,911 --> 00:55:52,971
I let him say that to me.
855
00:55:53,114 --> 00:55:56,641
I let him say that to me,
and I didn't say anything back.
856
00:56:22,977 --> 00:56:27,004
At midnight, on Monday, October 12...
857
00:56:27,482 --> 00:56:31,179
Matthew Shepard's blood pressure
began to drop.
858
00:56:31,653 --> 00:56:36,613
We immediately notified the family,
who were already at the hospital.
859
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:40,958
At 12:53 A.M...
860
00:56:41,463 --> 00:56:43,431
Matthew Shepard died.
861
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:47,831
His family was at his bedside.
862
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:52,067
The family did release
the following statement.
863
00:56:52,674 --> 00:56:57,373
They again asked me to express
their sincerest gratitude...
864
00:56:58,446 --> 00:57:00,038
to the entire world...
865
00:57:00,115 --> 00:57:03,983
for the overwhelming response
to their son.
866
00:57:05,453 --> 00:57:09,412
The family was grateful
that they did not have to...
867
00:57:09,491 --> 00:57:14,394
make a decision regarding whether or
not to continue life support for their son.
868
00:57:15,697 --> 00:57:19,599
"Like a good son,
he was caring to the end... "
869
00:57:19,834 --> 00:57:22,701
"and removed guilt or stress
from the family. "
870
00:57:24,139 --> 00:57:26,505
"He came into the world premature... "
871
00:57:26,808 --> 00:57:29,276
"and left the world premature. "
872
00:57:30,745 --> 00:57:32,804
"Matthew's mother said:"
873
00:57:36,084 --> 00:57:37,312
"'Go... "'
874
00:57:48,163 --> 00:57:51,530
We'd been up for 72 hours straight...
875
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:54,568
and had gone home
and gone to sleep for half an hour...
876
00:57:54,636 --> 00:57:58,299
and get up and come,
maybe I was just way...
877
00:57:58,673 --> 00:57:59,935
I don't know.
878
00:58:01,009 --> 00:58:05,343
While I was reading that statement,
I thought about my own four daughters.
879
00:58:05,847 --> 00:58:08,372
She doesn't have her kid anymore.
880
00:58:11,452 --> 00:58:12,817
"'Go home... "
881
00:58:14,122 --> 00:58:15,953
"'... give your kids a hug... "
882
00:58:20,161 --> 00:58:24,257
"'... and don't let a day go by
without telling them that you love them. "'
883
00:58:26,134 --> 00:58:31,037
And then we started getting people
sending us all these E-mails and letters.
884
00:58:31,172 --> 00:58:36,041
"Do you cry like a baby on TV
for all your patients, or just the fagots?"
885
00:58:37,212 --> 00:58:38,474
Jesus.
886
00:58:39,414 --> 00:58:42,212
After being thrown into this...
887
00:58:42,283 --> 00:58:46,947
I guess I didn't understand the magnitude
with which some people hate.
888
00:58:48,489 --> 00:58:52,084
And of all the letters we got,
there were two or three like that.
889
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,219
Most were:
890
00:58:54,329 --> 00:58:58,663
"Thanks for your caring and compassion. "
891
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,524
And Matthew...
892
00:59:03,705 --> 00:59:07,072
Matthew got caring and compassion...
893
00:59:07,141 --> 00:59:09,541
from the moment he got here.
894
00:59:17,151 --> 00:59:20,552
The charges against Russell Henderson
and Aaron Mckinney...
895
00:59:20,622 --> 00:59:25,423
were upgraded to first-degree murder
after Matthew Shepard died on Monday.
896
00:59:25,493 --> 00:59:29,361
If convicted,
the two men could face the death penalty.
897
00:59:30,465 --> 00:59:31,932
I'll tell you what.
898
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:34,291
If they put those two boys to death...
899
00:59:34,369 --> 00:59:37,736
it would defeat everything
that Matt would be thinking about them.
900
00:59:37,805 --> 00:59:40,365
Because he would not want
those two to die.
901
00:59:40,441 --> 00:59:44,002
He'd wanna leave them with hope.
H- O-P-E.
902
00:59:44,212 --> 00:59:47,010
Just like the whole world hoped...
903
00:59:47,081 --> 00:59:48,912
that Matt would survive, right?
904
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:53,289
This whole thing, you see what I'm saying,
this whole thing ropes around hope.
905
00:59:53,365 --> 00:59:55,299
H- O-P-E.
906
01:00:10,582 --> 01:00:14,484
On the day of the funeral,
it was snowing and raining so bad.
907
01:00:14,552 --> 01:00:17,646
By the time I got there,
there were already thousands of people.
908
01:00:17,722 --> 01:00:20,122
Dressed in black. Umbrellas everywhere.
909
01:00:20,458 --> 01:00:24,622
They had two churches set up and still
there were hundreds of people outside...
910
01:00:24,696 --> 01:00:26,323
who couldn't fit inside.
911
01:00:26,398 --> 01:00:29,731
They had this park set up,
and the park was full.
912
01:00:36,875 --> 01:00:40,971
"Thou shalt not lie down
with mankind as with womankind.
913
01:00:41,046 --> 01:00:46,006
"It is abomination. " Matthew Shepard
lived his life breaking that commandment!
914
01:00:46,184 --> 01:00:49,449
If he repented in his dying hours,
we hope he did, if not...
915
01:00:49,521 --> 01:00:53,389
he is in Hell along with those killers.
Do you believe in the Bible?
916
01:00:53,458 --> 01:00:56,689
You believe you're supposed to
separate the precious from the vile?
917
01:00:56,761 --> 01:01:00,925
You don't believe that part of the Bible.
You stand there, ignorant of the fact...
918
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,705
After seeing Phelps
protesting at Matthew's funeral...
919
01:01:11,776 --> 01:01:15,906
and then hearing that he's coming back
to Laramie for Russell Henderson's trial...
920
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:19,746
I decided that someone needs to stand
toe-to-toe and show the difference.
921
01:01:19,818 --> 01:01:23,447
Some people are gonna be sent to Hell!
922
01:01:23,755 --> 01:01:26,155
And I think you know who you are!
923
01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:32,252
Nobody wouldn't be here if this was just
a murder that the state was gonna handle.
924
01:01:32,330 --> 01:01:35,356
The state handles hundreds of murders.
925
01:01:35,433 --> 01:01:39,699
This murder is different
because the gays...
926
01:01:39,771 --> 01:01:41,602
He's not even from Laramie.
927
01:01:41,673 --> 01:01:45,404
He just travels around the country
doing these demonstrations.
928
01:01:51,783 --> 01:01:56,243
So we're planning an event.
We're calling it "Angel Action. "
929
01:01:56,855 --> 01:02:00,382
This 21-year-old little lesbian
is gonna walk the line with him.
930
01:02:03,728 --> 01:02:05,195
Fear not!
931
01:02:05,397 --> 01:02:08,332
You lift up your voice like a trumpet...
932
01:02:09,501 --> 01:02:13,460
and you show my people
their transgressions!
933
01:02:13,538 --> 01:02:15,870
We are sending the message of God!
934
01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:18,268
God's anger is pure.
935
01:02:18,343 --> 01:02:22,006
And God is gonna send someone to Hell!
936
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:24,912
That's God's anger!
937
01:02:25,483 --> 01:02:27,678
Now, we wouldn't be here...
938
01:02:40,632 --> 01:02:45,535
Do you want your sons and daughters
to be taught by fagots...
939
01:02:45,603 --> 01:02:47,332
in your schools?
940
01:02:47,405 --> 01:02:49,236
We're not gonna let that happen!
941
01:03:11,362 --> 01:03:13,728
As soon as they started jury selection...
942
01:03:13,798 --> 01:03:16,164
everyone was coming into my shop with:
943
01:03:16,234 --> 01:03:19,965
"I don't wanna be on this trial.
I hope they don't call me," or:
944
01:03:20,305 --> 01:03:23,206
"Oh, my God, I got called.
How do I get off?"
945
01:03:23,541 --> 01:03:27,500
Just wanting to get as far away
from it as they could.
946
01:03:27,846 --> 01:03:32,180
Very fearful that they were
gonna have to be part of that jury.
947
01:03:33,618 --> 01:03:37,611
Then I heard
Henderson had to sit in the courtroom...
948
01:03:38,122 --> 01:03:40,716
while they questioned prospective jurors.
949
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:43,759
And one of the questions they asked was:
950
01:03:43,828 --> 01:03:46,296
"Would you be willing... "
951
01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:48,924
"to put this person to death?"
952
01:03:50,001 --> 01:03:52,435
And I understand a lot
of the comments were:
953
01:03:53,071 --> 01:03:54,561
"Yes, I would. "
954
01:03:54,973 --> 01:03:56,497
"Absolutely. "
955
01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:58,869
"Yep, no problem. "
956
01:04:00,812 --> 01:04:02,939
Can you imagine hearing that?
957
01:04:03,815 --> 01:04:06,511
Juror after juror...
958
01:04:06,985 --> 01:04:08,714
after juror.
959
01:04:10,822 --> 01:04:13,950
These are people that he knows.
960
01:04:16,528 --> 01:04:18,894
No wonder he changed his plea.
961
01:04:19,330 --> 01:04:22,390
You entered a not guilty plea earlier,
Mr. Henderson.
962
01:04:22,734 --> 01:04:25,464
But I understand you wish to change
your plea today?
963
01:04:25,537 --> 01:04:26,731
Yes, sir.
964
01:04:26,804 --> 01:04:31,434
Do you understand that the recommended
sentence here is two life sentences?
965
01:04:33,011 --> 01:04:34,171
Yes, sir.
966
01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:39,205
And do you understand that those may
run concurrently or consecutively?
967
01:04:40,852 --> 01:04:41,876
Yes, sir.
968
01:04:41,953 --> 01:04:43,750
Before the court makes that decision...
969
01:04:43,821 --> 01:04:48,053
I understand that there are statements
to be made by at least one individual.
970
01:04:48,192 --> 01:04:49,921
Let's proceed with that.
971
01:04:52,830 --> 01:04:56,823
As the grandmother
and the person who raised Russell...
972
01:04:57,035 --> 01:04:59,094
along with my family...
973
01:04:59,671 --> 01:05:01,901
we have written the following statement.
974
01:05:02,874 --> 01:05:07,834
"Our hearts ache for the pain and suffering
that the Shepards have went through. "
975
01:05:08,413 --> 01:05:12,076
"We have prayed for your family
since the very beginning. "
976
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:16,553
"Many times throughout the day,
I have thought about Matt. "
977
01:05:16,921 --> 01:05:20,186
"You will continue to be in our thoughts
and prayers... "
978
01:05:20,258 --> 01:05:23,625
"as we know that your pain
will never go away. "
979
01:05:24,162 --> 01:05:27,290
"You have showed such mercy
and we are so grateful... "
980
01:05:27,365 --> 01:05:30,766
"that you are giving us
all the opportunity to live. "
981
01:05:31,936 --> 01:05:33,267
"Your Honor... "
982
01:05:33,338 --> 01:05:36,102
"we, as a family... "
983
01:05:36,507 --> 01:05:39,408
"hope that as you sentence Russell... "
984
01:05:40,044 --> 01:05:42,774
"that you will do it concurrently... "
985
01:05:43,114 --> 01:05:45,207
"for two life terms. "
986
01:05:47,118 --> 01:05:49,552
"For the Russell we know and love... "
987
01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:53,014
"we humbly plead, Your Honor... "
988
01:05:53,825 --> 01:05:57,761
"to not take Russell
completely out of our lives... "
989
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:59,194
"forever. "
990
01:06:04,869 --> 01:06:06,632
Mr. and Mrs. Shepard...
991
01:06:06,704 --> 01:06:10,162
there is not a moment
that goes by that I don't...
992
01:06:10,775 --> 01:06:12,709
see what happened that night.
993
01:06:14,078 --> 01:06:16,444
I know what I did was very wrong...
994
01:06:17,915 --> 01:06:20,145
and I regret greatly what I did.
995
01:06:21,953 --> 01:06:24,444
You have my greatest sympathies
for what happened.
996
01:06:27,492 --> 01:06:28,686
I hope that...
997
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:33,453
one day, you will be able to find it
in your hearts to forgive me.
998
01:06:39,103 --> 01:06:40,695
Mr. Henderson...
999
01:06:40,972 --> 01:06:44,874
this court does not believe that you
really feel any true remorse...
1000
01:06:44,942 --> 01:06:46,671
for your part in this matter.
1001
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:51,405
And I wonder whether you fully realize
the gravity of what you have done.
1002
01:06:51,482 --> 01:06:55,851
You drove the vehicle that took
Matthew Shepard to his death.
1003
01:06:56,654 --> 01:06:59,054
You bound him to that fence...
1004
01:06:59,123 --> 01:07:02,354
in order that he might be
more savagely beaten...
1005
01:07:02,627 --> 01:07:06,188
and in order that he might not escape
to tell his tale.
1006
01:07:06,798 --> 01:07:09,824
You left him out there for 18 hours...
1007
01:07:09,867 --> 01:07:13,333
perhaps having an opportunity
to save his life...
1008
01:07:13,405 --> 01:07:15,873
and you did nothing.
1009
01:07:16,975 --> 01:07:20,877
As to count three,
that being felony murder with robbery...
1010
01:07:21,547 --> 01:07:25,881
you will serve a period of imprisonment
for the term of your natural life.
1011
01:07:26,385 --> 01:07:27,977
For count one...
1012
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,982
kidnapping...
1013
01:07:30,455 --> 01:07:34,983
you will serve a period of imprisonment
for the term of your natural life.
1014
01:07:35,928 --> 01:07:40,695
Sentencing for count one to run
consecutive to sentencing for count three.
1015
01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:56,407
After the sentencing, the Mormon Church
decided to excommunicate Russell.
1016
01:07:57,049 --> 01:08:00,815
He's got a Mormon home teacher
that visits him in prison every week.
1017
01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:03,351
Nobody from the church
is gonna go visit him?
1018
01:08:03,422 --> 01:08:06,050
Not supposed to.
They're not supposed to pray for him.
1019
01:08:06,124 --> 01:08:08,024
He'll just sort of disappear.
1020
01:08:25,877 --> 01:08:28,710
What happened that night?
1021
01:08:30,015 --> 01:08:31,915
We need to know.
1022
01:08:33,485 --> 01:08:36,010
This town needs to know.
1023
01:08:43,762 --> 01:08:45,730
I need some more light on them.
1024
01:08:46,999 --> 01:08:50,730
- I never get tired of this play.
- Try directing it 50 times.
1025
01:08:50,802 --> 01:08:53,600
You can relax, just keep the umbrellas up.
1026
01:08:54,506 --> 01:08:57,600
I hear you're doing
Angels in America next year.
1027
01:08:57,676 --> 01:09:00,406
We have an obligation
to reach our students...
1028
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,175
and the question is, how do you move...
1029
01:09:03,582 --> 01:09:05,846
How do you reach a whole state...
1030
01:09:05,917 --> 01:09:08,545
where there is such
deep-seated hostility toward gays?
1031
01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:10,349
How do you reach them?
1032
01:09:10,422 --> 01:09:13,357
Angels in America is just the beginning.
1033
01:09:13,792 --> 01:09:16,124
And guess who's auditioning for the lead?
1034
01:09:16,561 --> 01:09:18,825
My parents, right, they're like:
1035
01:09:18,897 --> 01:09:22,060
"So what plays are they doing
in school this year?"
1036
01:09:22,134 --> 01:09:25,297
"let's see, Angels in America. "
1037
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:26,701
"Wait. "
1038
01:09:27,372 --> 01:09:31,001
"Angels in America? Isn't that that play?"
1039
01:09:31,310 --> 01:09:32,641
"It's that scene?"
1040
01:09:33,378 --> 01:09:36,814
"So you're gonna audition for this?"
1041
01:09:37,115 --> 01:09:38,343
And I said:
1042
01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,215
"Yeah, I am. "
1043
01:09:42,020 --> 01:09:43,783
Huge argument, right?
1044
01:09:43,855 --> 01:09:46,016
It was this huge argument,
and my mom says:
1045
01:09:46,091 --> 01:09:50,152
"You know, homosexuality is a sin.
Homosexuality is a sin. "
1046
01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:52,822
But the best thing
that I knew I had on them...
1047
01:09:52,931 --> 01:09:54,899
was that they had just seen me...
1048
01:09:54,966 --> 01:09:58,163
right before this, onstage in MacBeth.
1049
01:09:58,270 --> 01:10:02,866
I murdered this little kid and lady MacDuff
and these two other guys, right?
1050
01:10:02,941 --> 01:10:04,602
I'm like, "Mom... "
1051
01:10:05,711 --> 01:10:08,407
"I just played a murderer tonight,
and you... "
1052
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,240
"didn't seem to have
any problem with that. "
1053
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:15,149
- So when's the audition?
- Tuesday.
1054
01:10:15,387 --> 01:10:20,324
I have never prepared myself
for an audition like this in my life.
1055
01:10:20,525 --> 01:10:21,924
Not even close.
1056
01:10:22,928 --> 01:10:26,591
Everybody second-guesses
what you're doing.
1057
01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:29,631
You get a lot of heavy criticism.
1058
01:10:30,202 --> 01:10:31,931
You did everything wrong.
1059
01:10:32,104 --> 01:10:36,165
You're not supposed to touch anybody
without gloves and protective gear.
1060
01:10:38,777 --> 01:10:42,645
Then they make you out
to be some kind of big hero.
1061
01:10:44,116 --> 01:10:49,053
Some Joe Blow down the block,
he could have done a better job than I did.
1062
01:10:52,357 --> 01:10:54,791
People do extraordinary things every day.
1063
01:10:56,695 --> 01:11:00,290
I think this has really brought home
to my girls...
1064
01:11:00,665 --> 01:11:02,997
what their mom does for a living.
1065
01:11:09,107 --> 01:11:10,574
Just a minute.
1066
01:11:10,642 --> 01:11:13,133
It's the decision of the
County's Attorney's Office...
1067
01:11:13,211 --> 01:11:15,975
that this will be tried
as a death penalty case.
1068
01:11:16,047 --> 01:11:18,311
That's all I have for you now. Thank you.
1069
01:11:18,984 --> 01:11:21,680
How can I protest
if the Shepards want Mckinney dead?
1070
01:11:21,753 --> 01:11:23,584
I just can't interfere in that.
1071
01:11:23,655 --> 01:11:26,852
But on a personal level,
I knew Aaron in grade school.
1072
01:11:26,925 --> 01:11:29,519
He wasn't called Aaron. We called him A.J.
1073
01:11:29,594 --> 01:11:32,722
How can we put A.J. Mckinney to death?
1074
01:11:33,298 --> 01:11:36,290
I think right now
our most important teachers...
1075
01:11:36,368 --> 01:11:39,132
must be Russell Henderson
and Aaron Mckinney.
1076
01:11:39,204 --> 01:11:40,796
They have to be our teachers.
1077
01:11:40,872 --> 01:11:42,169
How did you learn?
1078
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,368
What did we do as a society
to teach you that?
1079
01:11:45,444 --> 01:11:48,675
I don't know if many people
will let them be their teacher.
1080
01:11:48,747 --> 01:11:52,080
I think it would be wonderful
if the judge said:
1081
01:11:52,150 --> 01:11:54,015
"In addition to the sentence... "
1082
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,747
"you must tell your story. "
1083
01:11:56,822 --> 01:11:59,950
"You must tell your story. "
1084
01:12:00,292 --> 01:12:03,819
This is a tape recording of the confession
given by Aaron James Mckinney...
1085
01:12:03,895 --> 01:12:06,728
to me as detective in charge
of the investigation.
1086
01:12:07,065 --> 01:12:10,364
This confession was recorded
two days after the attack.
1087
01:12:14,606 --> 01:12:19,043
- So, you guys go to the Fireside, right?
- Yeah.
1088
01:12:19,811 --> 01:12:22,336
Where do you go after you leave
the Fireside?
1089
01:12:22,747 --> 01:12:24,908
Some kid wanted a ride home.
1090
01:12:26,251 --> 01:12:27,718
What's he look like?
1091
01:12:28,687 --> 01:12:30,245
Like a queer.
1092
01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:35,356
- He looks like a queer?
- Yeah, like a fag, you know?
1093
01:12:36,728 --> 01:12:38,855
Okay, so, how'd you meet him?
1094
01:12:39,297 --> 01:12:41,959
The fag? The queer guy?
1095
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,762
We were meeting at the bar. He asked us
what we were drinking and doing.
1096
01:12:47,105 --> 01:12:49,630
So what happened after you met him?
1097
01:12:50,375 --> 01:12:52,935
He wanted a ride home, and...
1098
01:12:53,445 --> 01:12:56,812
I just thought, "The dude's drunk,
let's just take him home. "
1099
01:12:56,882 --> 01:12:59,646
When did you and Russ talk about
jacking him up?
1100
01:12:59,851 --> 01:13:03,844
- We kinda talked about it at the bar.
- Tell me what happened next.
1101
01:13:04,155 --> 01:13:06,089
Drove him out past Wal Mart.
1102
01:13:06,358 --> 01:13:10,727
We got over there
and he starts grabbing my leg and...
1103
01:13:11,029 --> 01:13:13,429
grabbing my genitals and...
1104
01:13:14,366 --> 01:13:18,962
I was like, "I'm not a fucking faggot.
If you touch me again, you're gonna get it. "
1105
01:13:19,571 --> 01:13:22,904
I don't know what the hell
he was trying to do...
1106
01:13:23,608 --> 01:13:25,974
but I beat him up pretty bad.
1107
01:13:26,611 --> 01:13:28,408
I think I killed him.
1108
01:13:29,581 --> 01:13:33,244
- What did you hit him with?
- I blacked out.
1109
01:13:33,752 --> 01:13:38,382
My fist, my pistol, the butt of the gun.
1110
01:13:39,858 --> 01:13:43,123
I wonder what happened to me.
I had a few beers and I don't know.
1111
01:13:43,194 --> 01:13:45,594
It's like I could see what was going on.
1112
01:13:46,164 --> 01:13:48,098
It was like somebody else was doing it.
1113
01:13:48,166 --> 01:13:53,160
What was the first thing he said or did
that made you want to hit him?
1114
01:13:54,873 --> 01:13:57,307
He put his hand on my leg and...
1115
01:13:57,375 --> 01:13:59,935
slid his hand
like he was gonna grab my balls.
1116
01:14:00,979 --> 01:14:04,779
When that defense team argued that
Mckinney did what he did...
1117
01:14:04,849 --> 01:14:07,443
because Matthew made a pass at him...
1118
01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:10,178
I just wanted to vomit...
1119
01:14:11,323 --> 01:14:12,600
because that's like saying it's okay.
1120
01:14:12,624 --> 01:14:16,478
It was disgusting
and we were all just disgusted.
1121
01:14:16,553 --> 01:14:20,387
It was just rude,
and that was less than integrous behavior.
1122
01:14:20,457 --> 01:14:23,483
We were all just disgusted
by that quality of defense.
1123
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,826
It's like the Twinkie defense, when the guy
killed Harvey Milk and Moscone.
1124
01:14:28,198 --> 01:14:29,665
It's the same thing.
1125
01:14:29,733 --> 01:14:32,827
As much as a part of me didn't want
the defense saying that...
1126
01:14:32,903 --> 01:14:35,770
it was a gay bashing or gay panic...
1127
01:14:36,340 --> 01:14:39,434
a part of me was really grateful.
1128
01:14:39,609 --> 01:14:43,101
Because I was really afraid that
in this trial they were gonna try...
1129
01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:46,172
and say that it was a robbery,
or it was about drugs.
1130
01:14:46,249 --> 01:14:49,514
So when they used gay panic
as the defense...
1131
01:14:49,786 --> 01:14:51,879
I thought, "This is good... "
1132
01:14:51,955 --> 01:14:56,153
"because if nothing else,
the truth is gonna come out. "
1133
01:14:56,526 --> 01:14:59,393
"The truth is gonna be told. "
1134
01:14:59,496 --> 01:15:02,260
About how many times
did you hit him in the truck...
1135
01:15:02,332 --> 01:15:04,630
before you guys stopped
where you left him?
1136
01:15:04,701 --> 01:15:07,192
I'd say I hit him two or three times.
1137
01:15:07,804 --> 01:15:11,171
Probably three times with my fists
and six times with the pistol.
1138
01:15:11,241 --> 01:15:12,799
Did he ask you to stop?
1139
01:15:13,043 --> 01:15:15,273
Yeah, he was getting
the shit kicked out of him.
1140
01:15:15,345 --> 01:15:16,778
What did he say?
1141
01:15:17,981 --> 01:15:21,542
After he asked me to stop,
most all he was doing was screaming.
1142
01:15:25,856 --> 01:15:28,984
Was Matthew conscious
while Russell was tying him to the fence?
1143
01:15:29,059 --> 01:15:30,151
Yeah.
1144
01:15:30,227 --> 01:15:33,560
I told him, "Turn around and don't look
at my license plate number"...
1145
01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:36,394
because I was scared
he would tell the police.
1146
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,360
And then I asked him
what my license plate said.
1147
01:15:39,436 --> 01:15:42,405
He read it and that's why I hit him
a few more times.
1148
01:15:42,472 --> 01:15:44,201
Just to be sure?
1149
01:15:44,975 --> 01:15:48,240
My secret hope was that they were
from somewhere else...
1150
01:15:48,645 --> 01:15:51,307
that then you can create this distance.
1151
01:15:51,681 --> 01:15:54,309
We don't grow children like that here.
1152
01:15:56,253 --> 01:15:59,154
It's pretty clear we do grow children
like that here.
1153
01:15:59,623 --> 01:16:01,887
So obviously you don't like gay people?
1154
01:16:02,993 --> 01:16:05,655
- No, I don't.
- Would you say you hate them?
1155
01:16:07,564 --> 01:16:11,660
No, I really don't hate them,
but when they start...
1156
01:16:12,269 --> 01:16:14,635
coming on to me, I get pretty aggravated.
1157
01:16:14,704 --> 01:16:17,070
So you've been approached
by gay people before?
1158
01:16:17,874 --> 01:16:19,398
No, not really.
1159
01:16:20,110 --> 01:16:21,600
Did he threaten you?
1160
01:16:21,711 --> 01:16:23,702
- This gay dude?
- Yeah.
1161
01:16:23,780 --> 01:16:24,780
No.
1162
01:16:25,315 --> 01:16:27,215
Can you answer me one thing?
1163
01:16:27,684 --> 01:16:30,244
Why did you guys take his shoes?
1164
01:16:31,254 --> 01:16:32,812
I don't know.
1165
01:16:35,826 --> 01:16:38,420
I'm never gonna get to see my son again?
1166
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:44,990
I don't know.
1167
01:16:49,406 --> 01:16:51,169
He's gonna die for sure?
1168
01:16:51,608 --> 01:16:55,009
There is no doubt that
Mr. Shepard is going to die.
1169
01:16:59,082 --> 01:17:01,573
So what are they gonna give me, 25 to life?
1170
01:17:02,185 --> 01:17:04,813
Or the death penalty
and just get it over with?
1171
01:17:04,888 --> 01:17:06,082
That's not our job.
1172
01:17:07,224 --> 01:17:09,954
That's the job of the judge and the jury.
1173
01:17:16,433 --> 01:17:20,699
The strange thing is, 20 minutes
before Matthew was brought in...
1174
01:17:20,770 --> 01:17:24,968
Aaron Mckinney, one of the perpetrators,
was brought in by his girlfriend.
1175
01:17:25,108 --> 01:17:28,043
- Wait. Mckinney was here?
- Yeah.
1176
01:17:28,111 --> 01:17:32,571
I guess he went back into town later
that same night and got in a fight.
1177
01:17:33,617 --> 01:17:37,383
And so there's Aaron
on one bed in my ER...
1178
01:17:37,454 --> 01:17:39,854
and just a few beds down is Matthew.
1179
01:17:40,857 --> 01:17:44,884
Then two days later,
I found out the connection.
1180
01:17:45,595 --> 01:17:47,688
Has the jury reached a verdict?
1181
01:17:48,698 --> 01:17:50,359
We have, Your Honor.
1182
01:17:51,935 --> 01:17:53,562
I was very...
1183
01:17:54,571 --> 01:17:55,799
struck.
1184
01:17:56,473 --> 01:17:57,940
They were two kids.
1185
01:17:58,708 --> 01:18:02,769
They were both my patients,
but they were two kids.
1186
01:18:03,847 --> 01:18:08,045
I took care of both of them,
took care of both their bodies...
1187
01:18:10,787 --> 01:18:14,985
and I felt a great deal of compassion
for both of them.
1188
01:18:16,226 --> 01:18:17,454
We, the jury...
1189
01:18:17,527 --> 01:18:21,588
impaneled and sworn to try
the above-entitled cause...
1190
01:18:21,665 --> 01:18:24,759
after having well
and truly tried the matter...
1191
01:18:24,834 --> 01:18:27,598
unanimously find as follows:
1192
01:18:28,205 --> 01:18:30,469
As to the charge of kidnapping...
1193
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:34,636
we find the defendant,
Aaron James Mckinney...
1194
01:18:35,445 --> 01:18:36,776
guilty.
1195
01:18:40,016 --> 01:18:42,450
As to the charge of felony murder...
1196
01:18:42,519 --> 01:18:46,478
we find the defendant,
Aaron James Mckinney...
1197
01:18:47,157 --> 01:18:48,488
guilty.
1198
01:18:58,034 --> 01:19:01,834
The jury returns to the courthouse today
to start considering the punishment...
1199
01:19:01,905 --> 01:19:05,363
a phase of the trial that will
probably last until next week.
1200
01:19:05,775 --> 01:19:09,302
I am working with Mckinney,
counseling him.
1201
01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:13,046
I don't think he can conceptualize...
1202
01:19:13,116 --> 01:19:15,846
the gravity of something
like capital punishment...
1203
01:19:15,919 --> 01:19:19,082
but I'm going to be praying
like the dickens tonight...
1204
01:19:19,155 --> 01:19:21,680
that we don't have to go through
this next phase.
1205
01:19:21,758 --> 01:19:26,320
I don't know if you believe in prayer,
but would you do this for me?
1206
01:19:26,796 --> 01:19:29,356
Would you just say, from time to time:
1207
01:19:29,432 --> 01:19:32,492
"Lord, I lift him up to you. "
1208
01:19:33,169 --> 01:19:34,966
Just do that for me.
1209
01:19:36,006 --> 01:19:37,337
Of course, Father.
1210
01:19:38,508 --> 01:19:42,137
The sentencing phase of Mckinney's
trial was to begin momentarily.
1211
01:19:42,212 --> 01:19:45,204
However, now we're hearing
that Judy and Dennis Shepard...
1212
01:19:45,282 --> 01:19:49,514
have been approached by the defense
team, who have pled for their client's life.
1213
01:19:49,586 --> 01:19:52,578
We understand Mr. Shepard
may approach the court this morning.
1214
01:20:13,677 --> 01:20:15,304
"My son Matthew... "
1215
01:20:16,046 --> 01:20:17,980
"did not look like a winner. "
1216
01:20:19,282 --> 01:20:21,250
"He was rather uncoordinated... "
1217
01:20:21,318 --> 01:20:25,482
"and wore braces from the age of 13
until the day he died. "
1218
01:20:27,657 --> 01:20:31,388
"However, in his all-too-brief life,
he proved that he was a winner. "
1219
01:20:32,896 --> 01:20:35,626
"On October 6, 1((8... "
1220
01:20:35,699 --> 01:20:38,896
"my son tried to show the world
that he could win again. "
1221
01:20:40,337 --> 01:20:42,828
"On October 12, 1((8... "
1222
01:20:44,341 --> 01:20:47,970
"my first-born son and my hero lost. "
1223
01:20:49,512 --> 01:20:52,345
"On October 12, 1((8... "
1224
01:20:52,782 --> 01:20:56,479
"my first-born son and my hero died... "
1225
01:20:59,522 --> 01:21:02,491
"50 days before his 22nd birthday. "
1226
01:21:05,428 --> 01:21:09,626
"I keep wondering the same thing that
I did when I first saw him in the hospital. "
1227
01:21:10,934 --> 01:21:12,925
"What would he have become?"
1228
01:21:14,003 --> 01:21:17,666
"How could he have changed
his piece of the world to make it better?"
1229
01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:23,410
"Matt officially died in a hospital
in Fort Collins, Colorado. "
1230
01:21:25,115 --> 01:21:28,175
"He actually died on the outskirts
of Laramie... "
1231
01:21:29,052 --> 01:21:30,781
"tied to a fence. "
1232
01:21:32,622 --> 01:21:36,752
"You, Mr. Mckinney,
with your friend Mr. Henderson... "
1233
01:21:36,826 --> 01:21:40,626
"left him there by himself... "
1234
01:21:41,427 --> 01:21:43,258
"but he was not alone. "
1235
01:21:45,698 --> 01:21:48,360
"There were his lifelong friends with him... "
1236
01:21:49,268 --> 01:21:51,862
"friends that he had grown up with. "
1237
01:21:53,573 --> 01:21:56,508
"You're probably wondering
who these friends were. "
1238
01:21:58,644 --> 01:22:02,444
"First, he had the beautiful night sky
and the same stars and moon... "
1239
01:22:02,515 --> 01:22:05,040
"we used to see through a telescope. "
1240
01:22:05,752 --> 01:22:10,121
"Then he had the daylight
and the sun to shine on him. "
1241
01:22:12,692 --> 01:22:14,319
"And through it all... "
1242
01:22:14,727 --> 01:22:18,754
"he was breathing in the scent
of the pine trees from the Snowy Range. "
1243
01:22:20,333 --> 01:22:21,960
"He heard the wind... "
1244
01:22:24,036 --> 01:22:27,767
"the ever-present Wyoming wind,
for the last time. "
1245
01:22:29,876 --> 01:22:32,276
"He had one more friend with him. "
1246
01:22:33,813 --> 01:22:35,337
"He had God. "
1247
01:22:38,951 --> 01:22:41,920
"And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone. "
1248
01:22:44,457 --> 01:22:49,417
"Matt's beating, hospitalization, and
funeral put worldwide attention on hate. "
1249
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:53,098
"Good is coming out of evil. "
1250
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,299
"People have said, 'Enough is enough. '"
1251
01:22:59,005 --> 01:23:00,700
"I miss my son... "
1252
01:23:01,607 --> 01:23:05,065
"but I am proud to be able to say
that he was my son. "
1253
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,407
"Judy has been quoted
as being against the death penalty. "
1254
01:23:12,852 --> 01:23:16,379
"It has been stated that Matt was
against the death penalty. "
1255
01:23:16,689 --> 01:23:19,624
"Both of these statements are wrong. "
1256
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,485
"I, too, believe in the death penalty. "
1257
01:23:25,832 --> 01:23:29,359
"I would like nothing better
than to see you die, Mr. Mckinney. "
1258
01:23:39,078 --> 01:23:43,674
"However, this is the time
to begin the healing process... "
1259
01:23:46,619 --> 01:23:50,248
"to show mercy to someone
who refused to show any mercy. "
1260
01:24:01,667 --> 01:24:03,191
"Mr. Mckinney... "
1261
01:24:04,604 --> 01:24:07,038
"I am going to Grant you life... "
1262
01:24:07,974 --> 01:24:11,740
"as hard as it is to do so,
because of Matthew. "
1263
01:24:12,879 --> 01:24:15,677
"Every time you celebrate Christmas... "
1264
01:24:16,182 --> 01:24:20,516
"a birthday, the Fourth of July,
remember that Matt isn't. "
1265
01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:25,090
"Every time you wake up
in your prison cell... "
1266
01:24:25,157 --> 01:24:27,625
"remember you had the opportunity... "
1267
01:24:27,693 --> 01:24:30,992
"and the ability
to stop your actions that night. "
1268
01:24:33,065 --> 01:24:35,431
"You robbed me of
something very precious... "
1269
01:24:35,501 --> 01:24:37,662
"and I will never forgive you for that. "
1270
01:24:43,509 --> 01:24:45,033
"Mr. Mckinney... "
1271
01:24:46,445 --> 01:24:48,242
"I give you life... "
1272
01:24:49,482 --> 01:24:53,009
"in the memory of someone
who no longer lives. "
1273
01:24:54,754 --> 01:24:56,779
"May you have a long life... "
1274
01:24:58,090 --> 01:25:01,423
"and may you thank Matthew
every day for it. "
1275
01:25:07,233 --> 01:25:08,996
Thank you very much.
1276
01:25:16,976 --> 01:25:18,910
Mr. Mckinney, you will be remanded...
1277
01:25:18,978 --> 01:25:22,141
to the custody of the Albany County
Sheriff's Department...
1278
01:25:22,214 --> 01:25:25,377
pending transportation
to the state penitentiary.
1279
01:25:25,451 --> 01:25:28,614
Ladies and gentlemen,
that concludes this matter.
1280
01:25:47,940 --> 01:25:51,808
I hope, when you think of this town,
you can see something besides a crime...
1281
01:25:51,877 --> 01:25:54,209
and understand why we love it so much.
1282
01:25:56,215 --> 01:26:00,208
I'm just really glad that it's over.
You know, I really am.
1283
01:26:00,286 --> 01:26:05,155
Testifying in this trial has been one of
the hardest things I've had to do in my life.
1284
01:26:05,224 --> 01:26:08,819
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I love the stage, I'm a natural for it...
1285
01:26:08,894 --> 01:26:12,660
but the actual testifying is really,
really difficult.
1286
01:26:12,732 --> 01:26:14,927
The lawyers are asking you questions...
1287
01:26:15,001 --> 01:26:18,266
so you have questions
that are coming at you in this Avenue...
1288
01:26:18,337 --> 01:26:20,897
but then you have to funnel them over
to the jury.
1289
01:26:20,973 --> 01:26:23,942
So you funnel them over there,
and what you end up with is...
1290
01:26:24,010 --> 01:26:26,706
Well, basically,
you have a funneling system.
1291
01:26:26,779 --> 01:26:27,973
Right?
1292
01:26:31,150 --> 01:26:35,382
After taking the ATZ for six months,
I was able to get a DNA test.
1293
01:26:35,454 --> 01:26:36,478
And it was...
1294
01:26:37,390 --> 01:26:41,486
about a week later,
I found out that I was...
1295
01:26:41,627 --> 01:26:43,185
negative for good.
1296
01:26:43,262 --> 01:26:45,230
- Wow. Thank God.
- That's great.
1297
01:26:45,297 --> 01:26:48,824
I tell you, we were all on our knees
saying Hail Marys.
1298
01:26:48,901 --> 01:26:51,870
Yeah, you're just so elated.
We were really happy.
1299
01:26:51,937 --> 01:26:53,768
So what's the first thing she does?
1300
01:26:53,839 --> 01:26:56,535
I stuck my tongue right
in my husband's mouth.
1301
01:26:57,610 --> 01:27:00,545
- What about your daughters?
- The girls, they just bawled.
1302
01:27:00,613 --> 01:27:02,513
They were just so happy.
1303
01:27:02,581 --> 01:27:04,606
- And the force...
- Boy.
1304
01:27:04,683 --> 01:27:07,709
Yeah, we went out and got shit-faced.
1305
01:27:07,787 --> 01:27:10,347
I just kissed everybody
who came through that door.
1306
01:27:10,456 --> 01:27:12,686
- They don't need to know that.
- You know what?
1307
01:27:12,758 --> 01:27:15,556
If it was a male or a female,
I kissed them on the lips.
1308
01:27:15,628 --> 01:27:18,256
What part of what I just said
did you not understand?
1309
01:27:18,330 --> 01:27:20,321
Mom, I have already kissed them.
1310
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:34,377
It's not clear to me,
having known Matthew...
1311
01:27:34,914 --> 01:27:37,815
what story he would want told about this.
1312
01:27:38,451 --> 01:27:40,851
We won't fully understand
what happened here...
1313
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,515
until time has had a chance
to filter that out for us.
1314
01:27:44,590 --> 01:27:48,185
What happened here,
the culture that caused this...
1315
01:27:48,260 --> 01:27:51,229
the complex set of events
leading up to it...
1316
01:27:51,697 --> 01:27:55,030
it would have been like
us trying to stop a tank.
1317
01:28:01,841 --> 01:28:06,744
Change is not an easy thing,
and I don't think people were up to it.
1318
01:28:07,813 --> 01:28:09,280
They got what they wanted.
1319
01:28:09,348 --> 01:28:13,114
Those two boys got what they deserve,
and we look good now.
1320
01:28:13,452 --> 01:28:17,081
It's been over a year since
Matthew Shepard died...
1321
01:28:17,156 --> 01:28:20,592
and they haven't passed shit in Wyoming.
1322
01:28:20,993 --> 01:28:23,325
They haven't passed it at a state level...
1323
01:28:23,395 --> 01:28:26,091
any town, anybody, anywhere...
1324
01:28:26,165 --> 01:28:28,861
has passed any kind of laws.
1325
01:28:28,934 --> 01:28:32,597
Anti-discrimination laws
or hate crime legislation...
1326
01:28:32,671 --> 01:28:36,698
nobody has passed anything anywhere.
1327
01:28:39,712 --> 01:28:42,190
What's come out of it?
1328
01:28:42,691 --> 01:28:46,593
What's come out of it
that's concrete and lasting?
1329
01:28:47,896 --> 01:28:52,890
"The dead will be commemorated
and will struggle on with the living... "
1330
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:57,036
"and we are not going away. "
1331
01:28:58,607 --> 01:29:00,905
"We won't die secret deaths anymore. "
1332
01:29:02,077 --> 01:29:04,409
"The world only spins forward. "
1333
01:29:07,082 --> 01:29:09,812
"We will be citizens. "
1334
01:29:10,852 --> 01:29:12,513
"The time has come. "
1335
01:29:23,065 --> 01:29:24,327
"'Bye, now. "
1336
01:29:32,541 --> 01:29:35,032
Have you ever gone out to the fence?
1337
01:29:37,446 --> 01:29:40,006
I drove up to the site in my limousine...
1338
01:29:40,415 --> 01:29:45,148
and I remembered something to myself
the night he and I drove around together.
1339
01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:47,814
He said, "Laramie sparkles, doesn't it?"
1340
01:29:49,524 --> 01:29:51,924
And where he was in that spot up there...
1341
01:29:52,027 --> 01:29:56,327
if you sit exactly in that spot up there,
Laramie sparkles from there.
1342
01:29:56,765 --> 01:29:59,029
With the low-lying clouds...
1343
01:29:59,368 --> 01:30:03,270
it's the blue lights bouncing off
the clouds from the airport...
1344
01:30:03,338 --> 01:30:05,966
and it goes...
1345
01:30:08,210 --> 01:30:10,041
over the whole city.
1346
01:30:11,179 --> 01:30:12,578
I mean...
1347
01:30:13,682 --> 01:30:15,673
it blows you away.
1348
01:30:16,351 --> 01:30:20,845
Matt was right there in that spot,
and I can just picture...
1349
01:30:21,056 --> 01:30:22,580
in his eyes...
1350
01:30:23,458 --> 01:30:26,256
I can picture what he was seeing.
1351
01:30:27,462 --> 01:30:30,989
The last thing that he saw on this earth...
1352
01:30:31,533 --> 01:30:35,560
was the sparkling lights
of Laramie, Wyoming.
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