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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:29,393 Tommy, hit it up. Let's have it. 2 00:00:48,222 --> 00:00:50,452 - May I cut in? - Why, certainly. 3 00:00:55,863 --> 00:00:58,229 Boys will be boys. 4 00:01:10,044 --> 00:01:13,070 Not all girls are raving bloody lesbians, you know. 5 00:01:13,147 --> 00:01:16,412 That is a misfortune that I am perfectly well aware of. 6 00:01:23,491 --> 00:01:27,621 She says that I think more of you than I do of her. 7 00:01:30,298 --> 00:01:32,698 Well, you do, don't you? 8 00:01:32,767 --> 00:01:34,701 Well, we won't go into that. 9 00:01:38,039 --> 00:01:39,973 Go right ahead, boys. Don't mind me. 10 00:01:47,015 --> 00:01:48,949 But you're not a girl. You're a guy. 11 00:01:49,017 --> 00:01:51,781 - Why would a guy want to marry a guy? - Security. 12 00:01:51,853 --> 00:01:56,313 I think that the right woman could reform you. 13 00:01:56,391 --> 00:02:00,088 You know, I think the right woman could reform you too. 14 00:02:00,161 --> 00:02:02,095 These aren't my clothes. 15 00:02:02,163 --> 00:02:04,495 Well, why are you wearing these clothes? 16 00:02:04,565 --> 00:02:07,432 Because I just went gay all of a sudden! 17 00:02:38,299 --> 00:02:40,733 In a hundred years of movies... 18 00:02:40,802 --> 00:02:44,135 homosexuality has only rarely been depicted on the screen. 19 00:02:46,207 --> 00:02:49,301 When it did appear, it was there as something to laugh at... 20 00:02:51,245 --> 00:02:53,440 or something to pity... 21 00:02:55,116 --> 00:02:57,516 or even something to fear. 22 00:03:01,122 --> 00:03:04,751 These were fleeting images, but they were unforgettable... 23 00:03:04,826 --> 00:03:07,226 and they left a lasting legacy. 24 00:03:09,997 --> 00:03:13,023 Hollywood, that great maker of myths... 25 00:03:13,101 --> 00:03:16,332 taught straight people what to think about gay people... 26 00:03:17,405 --> 00:03:21,705 and gay people what to think about themselves. 27 00:03:21,776 --> 00:03:24,574 No one escaped its influence. 28 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:27,907 Movies are part of my life... 29 00:03:27,982 --> 00:03:29,916 part of everybody's life. 30 00:03:29,984 --> 00:03:31,975 That's where we learn about life. 31 00:03:32,053 --> 00:03:35,318 Watching Cary Grant taught me how to behave with a woman... 32 00:03:35,389 --> 00:03:39,917 how to get dressed at night, how to go to a restaurant and order dinner. 33 00:03:39,994 --> 00:03:43,555 They're our storytelling. They're the fabric of our lives. 34 00:03:43,631 --> 00:03:48,500 They show us what is glorious... 35 00:03:48,569 --> 00:03:51,629 and tragic and wonderful and funny... 36 00:03:51,706 --> 00:03:55,267 about the day-to-day experiences we all share. 37 00:03:55,343 --> 00:03:57,436 When you're gay... 38 00:03:57,512 --> 00:04:02,472 and don't see that reflected in any way ever in the movies... 39 00:04:02,550 --> 00:04:06,247 you began to feel that something truly is wrong. 40 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,947 You feel invisible. 41 00:04:08,022 --> 00:04:11,219 You feel like a ghost... 42 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:13,385 and a ghost that nobody believes in. 43 00:04:13,461 --> 00:04:15,452 There's this sense of isolation. 44 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:17,122 Join the club, man. 45 00:04:17,198 --> 00:04:21,032 There's a whole group... 46 00:04:21,102 --> 00:04:23,593 that is not represented. 47 00:04:23,671 --> 00:04:26,640 We are pathetically starved for images of ourselves... 48 00:04:26,707 --> 00:04:29,540 so much so that a friend will call... 49 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:31,703 and say, "There's a movie you must see." 50 00:04:31,779 --> 00:04:33,576 This happened to me. 51 00:04:33,648 --> 00:04:36,742 "This movie you've got to see. There's this incredible lesbian relationship. 52 00:04:36,818 --> 00:04:40,413 There's this great love scene. All right, they're vampires. 53 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:42,513 But you got to see it. It's great." 54 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:45,684 There are lots of needs for art. 55 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,284 The greatest one is the mirror... 56 00:04:47,361 --> 00:04:51,730 of our own lives and our own existence. 57 00:04:51,799 --> 00:04:55,701 That hunger I felt as a kid looking for gay images... 58 00:04:55,770 --> 00:04:58,364 was to not be alone. 59 00:05:16,924 --> 00:05:19,893 My mother took me to the silent movies... 60 00:05:19,961 --> 00:05:23,727 in a spirit of ostentatious condescension. 61 00:05:23,798 --> 00:05:28,701 she said they were nothing like life... 62 00:05:28,769 --> 00:05:31,203 and I must not believe them. 63 00:05:31,272 --> 00:05:33,206 she was wrong. 64 00:05:33,274 --> 00:05:37,074 Everyone who comes from England to America and goes back... 65 00:05:37,144 --> 00:05:39,772 says one thing first. 66 00:05:39,847 --> 00:05:44,250 "It's more like the movies than you'd ever dream." 67 00:05:44,318 --> 00:05:45,910 And it is. 68 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:55,554 From the very beginning, movies could rely on homosexuality... 69 00:05:55,630 --> 00:05:58,690 as a surefire source of humor. 70 00:06:21,322 --> 00:06:24,621 Your ideas about who you are don't just come from inside you. 71 00:06:24,692 --> 00:06:26,091 They come from the culture. 72 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,392 In this culture, they come from movies. 73 00:06:30,464 --> 00:06:33,024 We learn from the movies what it means to be a man or a woman... 74 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:34,727 what it means to have sexuality. 75 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:47,479 The movies did provide us with some kind of history... 76 00:06:47,548 --> 00:06:50,915 of how society thought homosexuals were. 77 00:06:56,457 --> 00:06:58,550 A very good example is a Chaplin film... 78 00:06:58,626 --> 00:07:00,287 Behind the screen. 79 00:07:00,361 --> 00:07:04,593 There's a moment where Chaplin kisses someone who looks like a man. 80 00:07:04,665 --> 00:07:06,963 He knows that it's a woman. 81 00:07:07,034 --> 00:07:09,093 someone else comes along and sees it... 82 00:07:09,170 --> 00:07:14,005 and immediately starts swishing around in the most overt effeminate way. 83 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:29,446 It's fascinating that those stereotypes were so completely in place... 84 00:07:29,523 --> 00:07:33,118 that a mainstream popular film could assume... 85 00:07:33,194 --> 00:07:37,028 that the audience would know what this swishy mime was all about. 86 00:07:41,268 --> 00:07:44,795 - Mr. Ernest! - Ernest. 87 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:48,669 Dear Ernest! 88 00:07:48,743 --> 00:07:50,438 Dear Lady Grayston. 89 00:07:50,511 --> 00:07:52,741 Ernest, I'm so happy you were able to come. 90 00:07:52,813 --> 00:07:55,281 You must excuse my coming in my town clothes... 91 00:07:55,349 --> 00:07:59,342 but your chauffeur said there wasn't a moment to lose, so I came just as I am. 92 00:08:00,187 --> 00:08:01,848 Enter the sissy... 93 00:08:01,922 --> 00:08:04,015 Hollywood's first gay stock character. 94 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:12,795 The sissy made everyone feel more manly or more womanly... 95 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:15,893 by occupying the space in between. 96 00:08:17,271 --> 00:08:19,569 He didn't seem to have a sexuality... 97 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,803 so Hollywood allowed him to thrive. 98 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:26,313 They were sissies. They were never addressed as homosexual. 99 00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:28,405 It was a convention that was totally accepted. 100 00:08:28,482 --> 00:08:32,248 They were perceived as homosexuals just subliminally. 101 00:08:32,319 --> 00:08:37,154 This subject was not discussed... 102 00:08:37,224 --> 00:08:40,853 privately, certainly not publicly. 103 00:08:40,928 --> 00:08:44,022 It wasn't discussed, but you knew. 104 00:08:44,098 --> 00:08:46,566 They were all very prissy... 105 00:08:46,634 --> 00:08:50,798 these little skinny white men with little mustaches who would go like this. 106 00:08:50,871 --> 00:08:55,899 Stop. Stop. Girls, girls, girls! Be careful of my hats. 107 00:08:55,976 --> 00:08:58,171 We gotta get down on the stage. 108 00:08:58,245 --> 00:09:00,213 I don't care. I won't allow you to ruin them. 109 00:09:00,281 --> 00:09:03,079 I told ya they were too high and too wide. 110 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:05,084 Well, big woman. 111 00:09:05,152 --> 00:09:09,179 I designed the costumes for the show, not the doors for the theater. 112 00:09:09,256 --> 00:09:12,384 I know that. If you had, they'd have been done in lavender. 113 00:09:13,727 --> 00:09:16,719 This is ripped. Who were you with? 114 00:09:16,797 --> 00:09:18,594 strangler Lewis. 115 00:09:18,666 --> 00:09:20,600 Catch as catch can, hmm? 116 00:09:20,668 --> 00:09:25,332 If we could get the runs with this show these dames get in their stockings... 117 00:09:25,406 --> 00:09:29,001 I'd be able to make the second payment on my kimono. 118 00:09:29,076 --> 00:09:32,011 Here, Clarence. Put that in the trunk. 119 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,014 And don't wear it. 120 00:09:36,083 --> 00:09:37,914 Selfish. 121 00:09:37,985 --> 00:09:39,543 They were a clich�. 122 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:41,554 I don't care whether they were a gay clich� or what... 123 00:09:41,622 --> 00:09:45,524 I thought they were disgusting... 124 00:09:45,593 --> 00:09:49,029 unfunny, had no business being in it... 125 00:09:49,096 --> 00:09:52,759 and I never understood why people laughed. 126 00:09:54,368 --> 00:09:58,270 It's the same thing when they had the steppin' fetchits for the blacks. 127 00:09:58,339 --> 00:10:00,807 I liked the sissy. 128 00:10:00,875 --> 00:10:03,776 Is it used in negative ways? 129 00:10:03,844 --> 00:10:06,039 Yeah, but... 130 00:10:06,113 --> 00:10:10,607 my view has always been visibility at any cost. 131 00:10:10,684 --> 00:10:15,121 I'd rather have negative than nothing. 132 00:10:15,189 --> 00:10:18,590 That's just my particular view, and also because I am a sissy. 133 00:10:18,659 --> 00:10:21,628 And go dashing up and down the hall 134 00:10:21,695 --> 00:10:24,357 In one movie you could even find sissies table-hopping... 135 00:10:24,431 --> 00:10:26,865 in Hollywood's first peek at a gay bar. 136 00:10:28,936 --> 00:10:32,099 If a sailor in pajamas I should see 137 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:36,007 I know he'll scare the life out of me 138 00:10:36,076 --> 00:10:41,036 And on a great big battleship you, d like to be 139 00:10:41,115 --> 00:10:43,811 Working as chambermaids 140 00:10:45,085 --> 00:10:47,485 sissy characters in movies... 141 00:10:47,555 --> 00:10:50,115 were always a joke. 142 00:10:51,192 --> 00:10:54,650 There's no sin like being a woman. 143 00:10:54,728 --> 00:10:58,664 When a man dresses as a woman, the audience laughs. 144 00:10:58,732 --> 00:11:01,633 When a woman dresses as a man, nobody laughs. 145 00:11:02,670 --> 00:11:04,365 They just thought she looked wonderful. 146 00:11:19,186 --> 00:11:23,316 I saw Marlene Deitrich in Morocco when I was a teenager. 147 00:11:23,390 --> 00:11:25,483 I just was flipping the channels and saw her... 148 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,527 and decided to settle in for an old movie. 149 00:11:27,595 --> 00:11:31,463 There's the scene where... 150 00:11:31,532 --> 00:11:34,330 she comes into a nightclub, and she's just stunning... 151 00:11:34,401 --> 00:11:36,369 in this tuxedo. 152 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,667 - May I have this? - of course. 153 00:11:53,420 --> 00:11:57,914 The camera lingers. I wasn't catching this out of the side of the screen. 154 00:11:57,992 --> 00:12:00,051 It's right in the center. 155 00:12:00,127 --> 00:12:02,687 she has a romance with Gary Cooper in this movie... 156 00:12:02,763 --> 00:12:05,357 but that romance just went right out the window for me. 157 00:12:05,432 --> 00:12:07,900 I was, "Who was that woman? What had happened?" 158 00:12:07,968 --> 00:12:12,029 I start writing a whole other script for what was really going on. 159 00:12:12,106 --> 00:12:15,075 The thing worked for everybody of every sex. 160 00:12:16,744 --> 00:12:20,305 What's amazing... I don't think they've done anything... 161 00:12:20,381 --> 00:12:23,942 as delicious sexually as that since. 162 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:28,119 They didn't pretend it was anything but what it was. 163 00:12:28,188 --> 00:12:32,750 she was doing it to turn on both the woman and the man... 164 00:12:32,826 --> 00:12:36,284 which appealed to everybody, as it should. 165 00:12:36,363 --> 00:12:38,991 It was so free. 166 00:12:44,038 --> 00:12:45,630 Ebba! Come in! 167 00:12:45,706 --> 00:12:47,731 Now don't dally, Your Majesty. 168 00:12:47,808 --> 00:12:49,537 You have a busy day. 169 00:12:50,277 --> 00:12:52,575 Morning, Ebba. 170 00:12:52,646 --> 00:12:55,240 - What are you doing up so early? - I couldn't sleep. 171 00:12:56,116 --> 00:13:00,246 The movie Queen Christina was based on the life of a real Swedish monarch... 172 00:13:00,321 --> 00:13:02,118 and lesbian. 173 00:13:02,189 --> 00:13:06,785 Hollywood changed the story, but traces of the truth seemed to linger. 174 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:11,422 There are rumors that Your Majesty is planning a foreign marriage? 175 00:13:12,533 --> 00:13:13,795 They are baseless. 176 00:13:14,868 --> 00:13:18,998 But, Your Majesty, you cannot die an old maid! 177 00:13:20,074 --> 00:13:23,271 I have no intention to, Chancellor. 178 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:26,404 I shall die a bachelor! 179 00:13:27,514 --> 00:13:29,744 We hope that it will not be necessary... 180 00:13:29,817 --> 00:13:32,342 to close all the motion picture houses... 181 00:13:32,419 --> 00:13:35,855 because of some undesirable ones. 182 00:13:35,923 --> 00:13:38,084 But that we will have cleaner... 183 00:13:38,158 --> 00:13:41,423 and better motion pictures so that they may all stay open. 184 00:13:52,106 --> 00:13:56,702 What happened, of course, in the 20s and 30s when they got very raunchy... 185 00:13:56,777 --> 00:14:02,409 the Catholic Church and fundamentalist Protestants came down hard. 186 00:14:02,483 --> 00:14:04,280 It was a lot of pulpit stuff... 187 00:14:04,351 --> 00:14:07,809 preaching about orgiastic aspects... 188 00:14:07,888 --> 00:14:09,947 of what was happening on the screen. 189 00:14:13,694 --> 00:14:18,324 The big change occurred when the movie moguls got together. 190 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,425 "Let's save Hollywood. We must get an outsider." 191 00:14:21,502 --> 00:14:23,732 Preferably some politician... 192 00:14:23,804 --> 00:14:26,238 who was above suspicion. 193 00:14:26,306 --> 00:14:30,834 So they looked into the cabinet of Warren G. Harding. 194 00:14:30,911 --> 00:14:34,506 At that time, there were a number of unindicted members of his cabinet. 195 00:14:34,581 --> 00:14:38,347 They picked the Postmaster General, Will Hays of Indiana... 196 00:14:38,419 --> 00:14:41,547 who looked not unlike Mickey Mouse. 197 00:14:41,622 --> 00:14:44,989 The code sets up high standards of performance... 198 00:14:45,058 --> 00:14:48,050 for motion picture producers. 199 00:14:48,128 --> 00:14:51,256 It states the considerations which good taste and community value... 200 00:14:51,331 --> 00:14:56,359 make necessary in this universal form of entertainment. 201 00:14:57,805 --> 00:15:01,741 Will Hays would head the movies, first voluntary effort at self-censorship. 202 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:07,804 The early Hays code was a token gesture, seldom taken seriously. 203 00:15:07,881 --> 00:15:12,545 But by 1934, the Catholic Church had devised a scheme of its own. 204 00:15:12,619 --> 00:15:15,383 The Legion of Decency... 205 00:15:15,456 --> 00:15:19,187 not only rated movies as to content but threatened massive boycotts. 206 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,194 Hollywood promised to play by the rules. 207 00:15:24,264 --> 00:15:28,860 The Hays code just set up a series of rules... 208 00:15:28,936 --> 00:15:30,927 that were inviolable. 209 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:46,813 Code director Joe Breen ran Hollywood's censorship machinery... 210 00:15:46,887 --> 00:15:49,082 for over two decades. 211 00:15:49,156 --> 00:15:53,286 He was authorized to change words, personalities and plots. 212 00:15:54,428 --> 00:15:58,330 A novel about a sexually-confused alcoholic... 213 00:15:58,398 --> 00:16:01,834 became a movie about an alcoholic with writer's block. 214 00:16:02,836 --> 00:16:06,602 A novel about gay bashing and murder... 215 00:16:06,673 --> 00:16:10,575 became a movie about anti-semitism and murder. 216 00:16:10,644 --> 00:16:13,636 our American people are a homely... 217 00:16:13,714 --> 00:16:16,182 and wholesome crowd. 218 00:16:16,250 --> 00:16:20,880 Cockeyed philosophies of life, ugly sex situations... 219 00:16:20,954 --> 00:16:25,391 cheap jokes and dirty dialogue are not wanted. 220 00:16:25,459 --> 00:16:28,428 Decent people don't like this sort of stuff... 221 00:16:28,495 --> 00:16:31,828 and it is our job to see to it that they get none of it. 222 00:16:31,899 --> 00:16:35,494 - Have you ever modeled before? - No, I haven't. 223 00:16:35,569 --> 00:16:39,096 I'm doing a study of a young girl's head and shoulders. 224 00:16:39,172 --> 00:16:41,333 You won't object to removing your blouse, will you? 225 00:16:41,408 --> 00:16:43,638 No, I guess not. 226 00:16:43,710 --> 00:16:46,144 You can get ready behind that screen. 227 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:50,013 For all its efforts, the production code didn't erase homosexuals from screens. 228 00:16:50,083 --> 00:16:52,313 It just made them harder to find. 229 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:55,947 Now they had a new identity... as cold-blooded villains. 230 00:16:56,023 --> 00:16:57,581 I'm ready now. 231 00:17:02,529 --> 00:17:04,622 I suppose you'll want these pulled down, won't you? 232 00:17:04,698 --> 00:17:06,188 Yes. 233 00:17:10,537 --> 00:17:14,633 Why are you looking at me that way? Won't I do? 234 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:17,510 Yes, you'll do very well indeed. 235 00:17:18,645 --> 00:17:20,738 Do you like jewels, Lily? 236 00:17:20,814 --> 00:17:23,840 This is very old and very beautiful. 237 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:25,908 I'll show it to you. 238 00:17:29,656 --> 00:17:34,252 I don't think I'll pose tonight. I think I'll go, if you don't mind. 239 00:17:37,331 --> 00:17:39,094 Please don't come any closer! 240 00:17:50,677 --> 00:17:52,872 I didn't expect to see you, Mrs. Danvers. 241 00:17:52,946 --> 00:17:55,176 I noticed a window wasn't closed. 242 00:17:55,248 --> 00:17:56,840 I came to see if I could fasten it. 243 00:17:56,917 --> 00:18:00,580 Why did you say that? I closed it before I left the room. 244 00:18:00,654 --> 00:18:03,282 You opened it yourself, didn't you? 245 00:18:03,357 --> 00:18:06,087 Rebecca is one of the movies in which the word... 246 00:18:06,159 --> 00:18:09,128 homosexuality or lesbianism is never uttered... 247 00:18:09,196 --> 00:18:13,189 but there's this one scene that... 248 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:16,099 really stands out for a gay audience. 249 00:18:16,169 --> 00:18:19,002 That is, Rebecca is dead. 250 00:18:19,072 --> 00:18:21,438 she was the beautiful woman... 251 00:18:21,508 --> 00:18:24,170 who is mysteriously not on the scene any longer. 252 00:18:24,244 --> 00:18:26,940 Her former housekeeper, Mrs. Danvers... 253 00:18:27,014 --> 00:18:30,780 is obsessed with her, even after her death. 254 00:18:30,851 --> 00:18:33,217 This is where I keep all her clothes. 255 00:18:34,388 --> 00:18:36,982 You would like to see them, wouldn't you? 256 00:18:48,035 --> 00:18:50,003 Feel this. 257 00:18:51,204 --> 00:18:53,570 It was a Christmas present from Mr. DeWinter. 258 00:18:56,877 --> 00:19:00,313 He was always giving her expensive gifts, the whole year round. 259 00:19:02,482 --> 00:19:05,246 I keep her underwear on this side. 260 00:19:07,554 --> 00:19:11,490 They were made specially for her by the nuns in the convent of St. Clair. 261 00:19:14,094 --> 00:19:16,824 she opens the underwear drawer. 262 00:19:16,897 --> 00:19:18,831 It's so sensuous. 263 00:19:18,899 --> 00:19:22,494 Look. You can see my hand through it. 264 00:19:26,406 --> 00:19:29,637 The guys who ran that code weren't rocket scientists. 265 00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:31,473 They missed a lot of stuff. 266 00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:35,208 If a director was subtle enough and clever enough, they got around it. 267 00:19:36,516 --> 00:19:39,178 What'll it cost to be on the safe side? 268 00:19:39,252 --> 00:19:41,186 Okay, go ahead. 269 00:19:47,027 --> 00:19:49,791 - Gardenia. - Quick, darling. In with him. 270 00:19:49,863 --> 00:19:53,799 We know Peter Lorre's gay in The Maltese Falcon even before we see him. 271 00:19:53,867 --> 00:19:56,131 We're told there's a man outside... 272 00:19:56,203 --> 00:19:58,137 wearing perfume... gardenia. 273 00:19:58,205 --> 00:20:01,299 Then we also hear some kind of funny... 274 00:20:01,374 --> 00:20:05,435 slightly oriental, feminine music. 275 00:20:05,512 --> 00:20:08,538 - You'll sit down, Mr. Cairo? - Thank you, sir. 276 00:20:08,615 --> 00:20:12,278 The original novel didn't mince words about Peter Lorre's character. 277 00:20:12,352 --> 00:20:14,547 It read, "This guy is queer." 278 00:20:14,621 --> 00:20:19,320 May I offer condolences for your partner's unfortunate death? 279 00:20:19,392 --> 00:20:22,122 The movie could only hint...broadly. 280 00:20:22,195 --> 00:20:25,824 See, Mr. Spade, I'm trying to recover... 281 00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,891 an ornament that, shall we say, has been mislaid? 282 00:20:30,003 --> 00:20:31,937 I thought and hoped you could assist me. 283 00:20:32,005 --> 00:20:37,033 That ornament is a statuette. Black figure of a bird. 284 00:20:39,946 --> 00:20:44,212 Leave it to Alfred Hitchcock to create not one but two gay villains... 285 00:20:44,284 --> 00:20:47,276 murderous lovers based on real-life psychopaths... 286 00:20:47,354 --> 00:20:49,618 Leopold and Loeb. 287 00:20:49,689 --> 00:20:53,090 We knew that they were gay, yeah, sure. 288 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,425 Nobody said anything about it. 289 00:20:56,496 --> 00:20:59,590 This was 1947. Let's not forget that. 290 00:20:59,666 --> 00:21:04,968 That was one of the points of the film. 291 00:21:05,038 --> 00:21:07,006 Brandon, how did you feel? 292 00:21:07,073 --> 00:21:09,405 - When? - During it. 293 00:21:11,244 --> 00:21:13,769 I don't know really. 294 00:21:13,847 --> 00:21:16,748 I don't remember feeling very much of anything... 295 00:21:18,485 --> 00:21:22,546 until his body went limp... 296 00:21:22,622 --> 00:21:24,715 and I knew it was over. 297 00:21:24,791 --> 00:21:26,258 And then? 298 00:21:26,326 --> 00:21:30,820 Then I felt tremendously exhilarated. 299 00:21:32,032 --> 00:21:34,125 How did you feel? 300 00:21:34,201 --> 00:21:38,331 I don't think the censors at that time realized... 301 00:21:38,405 --> 00:21:40,737 that this was about gay people. 302 00:21:40,807 --> 00:21:43,298 They didn't have a clue. 303 00:21:43,376 --> 00:21:44,968 That's how it got by. 304 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,946 sometimes the censors turned a blind eye to lesbians on the screen... 305 00:21:51,017 --> 00:21:53,850 as long as they were kept safely behind bars. 306 00:21:55,155 --> 00:21:57,419 - Hi, Anne! - Hello, Harper. 307 00:21:57,490 --> 00:22:01,824 Since you went fancy working upstairs for Benton, I kind of missed you. 308 00:22:01,895 --> 00:22:06,298 This is Marie Allen. Mrs. Benton says to put her in laundry. 309 00:22:06,366 --> 00:22:08,391 Marie's gonna have a baby. 310 00:22:08,468 --> 00:22:12,666 A baby, huh? Why, you're just a kid yourself. 311 00:22:14,474 --> 00:22:17,875 - So long, Marie. - Good-bye, Anne. Thank you. 312 00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:21,107 Let's you and me get acquainted, honey. 313 00:22:21,181 --> 00:22:24,514 You may be a number to the others, but not to me. 314 00:22:25,719 --> 00:22:28,620 Sit down in this chair. It's kind of roomy. 315 00:22:31,391 --> 00:22:33,552 There's supposed to be a social message to all this. 316 00:22:33,627 --> 00:22:37,893 "Isn't it terrible to go to prison, to lose your femininity? 317 00:22:37,964 --> 00:22:40,762 Isn't it terrible for a woman to go hard?" 318 00:22:40,834 --> 00:22:45,703 What's your name? How'd you hurt your hand? 319 00:22:46,473 --> 00:22:50,307 I'm a big girl, and this isn't my first year away from home. 320 00:22:50,377 --> 00:22:52,675 The name is Marie Allen. 321 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:56,147 If I said no to Kitty, I'm sure not gonna say yes to you. 322 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:01,653 she's a cute trick. 323 00:23:04,925 --> 00:23:07,291 In Young Man With a Horn, we have one of my favorite... 324 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,487 lesbian glamour symbols. 325 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:13,293 Jo's interesting, isn't she? so simple and uncomplicated. 326 00:23:13,366 --> 00:23:15,300 Must be wonderful to wake up in the morning... 327 00:23:15,368 --> 00:23:17,928 and know which door you're going to walk through. 328 00:23:18,004 --> 00:23:20,131 She's so terribly normal. 329 00:23:21,675 --> 00:23:24,838 She's a good singer too. 330 00:23:24,911 --> 00:23:27,471 I like Lauren Bacall because she gets up in the morning... 331 00:23:27,547 --> 00:23:30,744 and she has no idea what's going to happen to her next. 332 00:23:31,651 --> 00:23:33,676 I'm dying to see the rest of your sketches. 333 00:23:33,753 --> 00:23:36,381 We'll have dinner out and then go back to my place. 334 00:23:39,859 --> 00:23:42,259 How nice of you to come to the party, Richard. 335 00:23:42,329 --> 00:23:43,921 This is my husband. 336 00:23:43,997 --> 00:23:48,434 Miss Carson, I told you about her, the girl who paints so well. 337 00:23:48,501 --> 00:23:50,992 - How do you do? - How do you do? 338 00:23:53,273 --> 00:23:55,332 - See you at 9:00 then, Amy. - Fine. 339 00:23:55,408 --> 00:23:58,673 It's been a wonderful party. 340 00:23:58,745 --> 00:24:01,111 Those movies were a warning to ladies to just watch it... 341 00:24:01,181 --> 00:24:05,550 and get back to the kitchen where God meant them to be. 342 00:24:05,618 --> 00:24:10,317 What a swell combination we were. You said you wanted experiences, Amy. 343 00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:13,291 Well, here's one for you. I'm leaving you. 344 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,351 I'd like to kill you. 345 00:24:16,429 --> 00:24:18,397 You almost did. 346 00:24:19,466 --> 00:24:21,661 You're a sick girl, Amy. 347 00:24:21,735 --> 00:24:24,363 You'd better see a doctor. 348 00:24:24,437 --> 00:24:27,634 I look back on the '50s now and think that it was halcyon. 349 00:24:27,707 --> 00:24:31,108 People were still being educated. 350 00:24:31,177 --> 00:24:35,341 There wasn't a race war on. The drug thing wasn't... 351 00:24:35,415 --> 00:24:38,179 It seems like a kind of paradise now. 352 00:24:38,251 --> 00:24:41,186 But at the time we were living through it... 353 00:24:41,254 --> 00:24:43,848 we thought that we were in a decade... 354 00:24:43,923 --> 00:24:48,485 of such towering dullness and stupidity. 355 00:24:48,495 --> 00:24:51,186 I want to be proud of him. 356 00:24:51,264 --> 00:24:53,289 That's why I had him in the first place. 357 00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:57,695 But he makes it so difficult for me. 358 00:24:57,771 --> 00:25:00,569 My associates ask what he wants to be, and I have to tell them that... 359 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,972 he hasn't made up his mind... 360 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:08,345 because I just won't tell them he wants to be a folksinger. 361 00:25:08,415 --> 00:25:11,009 The grief 362 00:25:11,084 --> 00:25:16,021 of love endures 363 00:25:16,089 --> 00:25:19,081 In '50s America masculinity ruled. 364 00:25:19,159 --> 00:25:22,151 seeming gay was almost as bad as being gay... 365 00:25:22,228 --> 00:25:24,856 so a man had to watch his every step. 366 00:25:24,931 --> 00:25:29,197 Look, Tom, the way you walk... I'm just trying to help you! 367 00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:31,362 Nobody gave a damn about how I walked till last week! 368 00:25:31,438 --> 00:25:33,235 Forget it! 369 00:25:35,809 --> 00:25:37,970 - Al? - Yeah? 370 00:25:38,044 --> 00:25:40,774 Tea and sympathy is definitely about being homosexual. 371 00:25:40,847 --> 00:25:44,510 I'm sorry. Tell me how I walk. 372 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:47,985 It's a film that's about curing homosexuality... 373 00:25:48,054 --> 00:25:50,488 and the signs of homosexuality are effeminacy. 374 00:25:50,557 --> 00:25:53,424 Well, then, you walk, and let me watch you. 375 00:25:53,493 --> 00:25:56,018 - I never noticed how you walk. - okay. 376 00:26:09,342 --> 00:26:11,435 Do it again. 377 00:26:11,511 --> 00:26:14,639 - If you tell the guys about this... - You think I would? 378 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:20,116 We know the Sal Mimeo character is gay... 379 00:26:20,186 --> 00:26:22,780 party because he has a picture of Alan Ladd in his locker... 380 00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:29,027 but also from his adoration of the James Dean character. 381 00:26:41,708 --> 00:26:44,370 You want to come home with me? There's nobody home at my house. 382 00:26:44,444 --> 00:26:47,174 Heck, I'm not tired. Are you? 383 00:26:47,247 --> 00:26:49,738 See, I don't have too many people I can talk to. 384 00:26:49,816 --> 00:26:51,613 Who has? 385 00:26:51,684 --> 00:26:56,280 People talk about whether that was a homosexual relationship. 386 00:26:56,356 --> 00:26:59,052 The intention wasn't that. 387 00:26:59,125 --> 00:27:03,562 But any film is at the same time... 388 00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:08,863 an expression of a writer... 389 00:27:08,935 --> 00:27:14,464 and it's an offering to an audience to create their own film. 390 00:27:14,541 --> 00:27:16,634 Are you cold? 391 00:27:16,709 --> 00:27:21,078 Rebel was about tenderness, intimacy. 392 00:27:21,147 --> 00:27:25,379 It was an attempt to widen the permission to love... 393 00:27:25,451 --> 00:27:28,420 when men were supposed to be one way with each other. 394 00:27:28,488 --> 00:27:31,480 - Can I keep it? - Well, what do you think? 395 00:27:31,558 --> 00:27:32,991 Here. 396 00:27:35,428 --> 00:27:38,522 I think if I were writing that script again today... 397 00:27:38,598 --> 00:27:41,863 that I would be much more specific about Plato. 398 00:27:41,935 --> 00:27:46,463 I would let him be an outcast because... 399 00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:49,440 the gang thought he was a faggot... 400 00:27:50,843 --> 00:27:55,576 and let his isolation come from that opinion. 401 00:27:56,849 --> 00:27:58,817 - What do you guys want? - You know what we want! 402 00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:01,012 - We want your friend! - Yeah, we got eyes for him. 403 00:28:01,087 --> 00:28:03,988 The real rebel seems to me the Sal Mineo character. 404 00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:06,025 He's got something to be rebellious about... 405 00:28:06,092 --> 00:28:08,424 namely, being gay in a homophobic society. 406 00:28:08,494 --> 00:28:10,428 He, of course, has to be killed. 407 00:28:10,496 --> 00:28:13,363 - Turn out the lights! - Jim! 408 00:28:13,433 --> 00:28:17,767 That's what happens to real rebels in our society. 409 00:28:22,375 --> 00:28:27,244 You got very good at projecting subtext... 410 00:28:27,313 --> 00:28:31,147 without saying a word about it. 411 00:28:31,217 --> 00:28:34,983 The best example I lived through was writing Ben-Hur. 412 00:28:39,626 --> 00:28:43,153 Ben-Hur and Messala, one Jewish, one Roman... 413 00:28:43,229 --> 00:28:45,891 had known each other from youth. 414 00:28:45,965 --> 00:28:49,264 They disagree over politics and hate each other for the next three hours. 415 00:28:49,335 --> 00:28:52,998 That isn�t much to put a whole three-hour movie on... 416 00:28:53,072 --> 00:28:56,667 even something as gorgeously junky as Ben-Hur. 417 00:28:59,979 --> 00:29:02,812 The director of the movie, William Wyler, said "What do you do?" 418 00:29:02,882 --> 00:29:05,942 I said, "Let me try something." 419 00:29:06,019 --> 00:29:09,648 Let's say these two guys were 15, 16 when they last saw each other. 420 00:29:09,722 --> 00:29:12,054 They had been lovers, and they're meeting again... 421 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:14,252 and the Roman wants to start it up. 422 00:29:14,327 --> 00:29:16,852 Messala, played by Stephen Boyd, wants to start it up again... 423 00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:18,863 with Ben-Hur, played by Charlton Heston. 424 00:29:18,931 --> 00:29:21,729 Heaven knows why, but he does. Anyway, he's Roman. 425 00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:26,101 so Willie stared at me, face gray. 426 00:29:27,273 --> 00:29:29,798 I said' "Well' I'll never use the word. 427 00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:32,208 There will be nothing overt. 428 00:29:32,278 --> 00:29:37,272 But it'll be perfectly clear that Messala is in love with Ben-Hur... 429 00:29:39,385 --> 00:29:42,582 Willie said, Gore, this is Ben-Hur. 430 00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:47,183 A Tale of the Christ, I think is the subtitle, he said vaguely. 431 00:29:49,295 --> 00:29:52,594 Willie finally said, "Well, it's certainly better than what we've got. 432 00:29:52,665 --> 00:29:53,927 We'll try it... 433 00:29:58,571 --> 00:30:00,937 After all these years. 434 00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:03,839 Still close. 435 00:30:03,910 --> 00:30:06,276 In every way. 436 00:30:06,346 --> 00:30:11,045 He said, "You talked to anybody about this?" And I said' "No." 437 00:30:11,117 --> 00:30:14,814 He said, "You talk to Boyd..." Messala. 438 00:30:14,887 --> 00:30:19,051 "Don't say anything to Heston. 439 00:30:19,125 --> 00:30:22,219 Chuck will fall apart. I'll take care of him." 440 00:30:22,295 --> 00:30:26,493 So Heston thinks he's doing Francis X. Bushman in a silent version. 441 00:30:26,566 --> 00:30:30,764 His head is constantly on high like this and like this. 442 00:30:30,837 --> 00:30:33,362 Stephen Boyd is acting it to pieces. 443 00:30:33,439 --> 00:30:36,340 There are looks that he gives him that are just so clear. 444 00:30:38,277 --> 00:30:40,677 I said I'd come back. 445 00:30:41,647 --> 00:30:44,081 I never thought you would. 446 00:30:45,518 --> 00:30:47,850 I'm so glad. 447 00:30:55,528 --> 00:30:57,496 - Look at you. - Look at you. 448 00:30:58,798 --> 00:31:01,494 You've come back a tribune. 449 00:31:01,567 --> 00:31:04,092 When I heard that news, I drank a toast to you. 450 00:31:06,072 --> 00:31:08,097 We'll drink another now. 451 00:31:16,482 --> 00:31:22,145 Once I had a secret love 452 00:31:24,357 --> 00:31:26,655 That lived within 453 00:31:26,726 --> 00:31:30,526 The heart of me 454 00:31:31,597 --> 00:31:35,363 Hollywood had learned to write movies between the lines. 455 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:38,632 some members of the audience had learned to watch them that way. 456 00:31:38,704 --> 00:31:40,638 Gosh a-mighty! 457 00:31:40,706 --> 00:31:43,436 You're the prettiest thing I ever seen. 458 00:31:45,044 --> 00:31:47,979 Never knowed a woman could look like that. 459 00:31:48,047 --> 00:31:52,711 - How do you hold that dress up there? - Please! 460 00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:56,812 It's amazing how if you're a gay audience... 461 00:31:56,889 --> 00:31:58,948 and you're accustomed to crumbs... 462 00:31:59,025 --> 00:32:02,290 how you will watch an entire movie just to see somebody wear an outfit... 463 00:32:02,361 --> 00:32:04,989 that you think means that they're a homosexual. 464 00:32:06,098 --> 00:32:08,157 The whole movie can be a dud... 465 00:32:08,234 --> 00:32:10,168 but you're just sitting there... 466 00:32:10,236 --> 00:32:14,400 waiting for Joan Crawford to put on her black cowboy shirt again. 467 00:32:16,843 --> 00:32:18,970 I'm going to kill you. 468 00:32:20,046 --> 00:32:22,105 I know... 469 00:32:22,181 --> 00:32:24,877 if I don't kill you first. 470 00:32:26,752 --> 00:32:31,746 Gay audiences were desperate to find something. 471 00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:36,318 I think all minority audiences watch movies with hope. 472 00:32:36,395 --> 00:32:38,989 They hope they will see what they want to see. 473 00:32:40,199 --> 00:32:42,497 That's why nobody really sees the same movie. 474 00:32:42,568 --> 00:32:45,059 Let's give 'em a hand over here. 475 00:32:45,137 --> 00:32:47,935 That's a good-looking gun you were about to use back there. Can I see it? 476 00:32:54,447 --> 00:32:56,642 Maybe you'd like to see mine. 477 00:32:59,819 --> 00:33:02,049 Nice. Awful nice. 478 00:33:02,121 --> 00:33:05,852 Monty Clift and John Ireland knew what they were doing. 479 00:33:05,925 --> 00:33:09,452 I think that's why the scene is funny... 480 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:12,726 'cause of their delight in playing the sexuality of the gun. 481 00:33:12,798 --> 00:33:15,824 There are only two things more beautiful than a good gun. 482 00:33:15,902 --> 00:33:18,803 A Swiss watch or a woman from anywhere. 483 00:33:18,871 --> 00:33:20,862 You ever had a good Swiss watch? 484 00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:26,134 Go ahead. Try it. 485 00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:31,141 Hey, that's very good. 486 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,847 Hey, that's good too. 487 00:33:36,923 --> 00:33:38,686 Go on. Keep it going. 488 00:33:39,692 --> 00:33:45,153 Most expressions of homosexuality in most of movies are indirect. 489 00:33:45,231 --> 00:33:48,029 What's interesting is that that, of course... 490 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,762 is what it what like to express homosexuality in life. 491 00:33:50,836 --> 00:33:53,669 That we could only express ourselves indirectly... 492 00:33:53,739 --> 00:33:57,300 just as people on the screen could only express themselves indirectly. 493 00:33:57,376 --> 00:34:00,277 There's a sense in which the characters are in the closet... 494 00:34:00,346 --> 00:34:02,837 the movie's in the closet, and we're in the closet. 495 00:34:02,915 --> 00:34:06,976 Now I shout it 496 00:34:07,053 --> 00:34:12,514 From the highest hills 497 00:34:13,759 --> 00:34:21,188 Even told the golden daffodils 498 00:34:23,402 --> 00:34:25,962 At last 499 00:34:26,038 --> 00:34:27,835 My heart's 500 00:34:27,907 --> 00:34:31,308 An open door 501 00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:38,778 And my secret love's 502 00:34:38,851 --> 00:34:41,376 No secret 503 00:34:41,454 --> 00:34:46,289 Anymore 504 00:34:46,359 --> 00:34:49,089 one, two, three, four 505 00:34:58,671 --> 00:35:01,731 There were films even in the '50s that got away... 506 00:35:01,807 --> 00:35:05,675 with an amazing amount of at least gay subtext. 507 00:35:05,745 --> 00:35:07,337 You can't keep... 508 00:35:07,413 --> 00:35:11,179 gay life or behavior out of the movies. 509 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:13,445 It's like keeping it out of life in general. 510 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:19,014 It pops up often in somewhat hidden or somewhat coded ways. 511 00:35:20,893 --> 00:35:23,521 In the film of Gentlemen Prefer Blondes... 512 00:35:23,596 --> 00:35:28,898 there's a gym full of bodybuilders who have no interest in Jane Russell. 513 00:35:28,968 --> 00:35:32,267 He don't have to be Hercules Don't anyone know about birds and bees 514 00:35:32,338 --> 00:35:34,806 Ain't there anyone here for love 515 00:35:35,808 --> 00:35:39,972 sweet love 516 00:35:40,046 --> 00:35:44,073 Ain't there anyone 517 00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:47,017 Here for 518 00:35:47,086 --> 00:35:48,917 Love 519 00:35:54,393 --> 00:35:57,226 Doubles? Anyone? 520 00:36:02,468 --> 00:36:04,163 Court's free! 521 00:36:10,543 --> 00:36:12,534 Two out of three? 522 00:36:12,611 --> 00:36:14,044 Anyone? 523 00:36:19,985 --> 00:36:21,919 Doesn't anyone want to play? 524 00:36:24,123 --> 00:36:26,523 In the '50s and '60s, especially in sex comedies... 525 00:36:26,592 --> 00:36:28,992 there were often characters who could be read as gay... 526 00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:31,996 whether they were the Tony Randall roles... 527 00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:35,056 or the boss of the decorating establishment. 528 00:36:36,202 --> 00:36:37,635 And here. 529 00:36:39,138 --> 00:36:41,936 This isn't bad either. What color�s that floor? 530 00:36:42,007 --> 00:36:43,634 Lilac. 531 00:36:43,709 --> 00:36:48,305 Lilac? Leonard, who has a lilac floor in their kitchen? 532 00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:51,144 I have. 533 00:36:51,217 --> 00:36:57,053 Oh, well, Leonard, everyone isn't as artistic as you are. 534 00:36:59,558 --> 00:37:03,790 We have to sell this wax to average, ordinary, everyday people. 535 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,129 Them! 536 00:37:06,198 --> 00:37:08,928 In Hollywood for years and years... 537 00:37:09,001 --> 00:37:11,936 there was what was called the DF movie. 538 00:37:12,004 --> 00:37:14,370 All the Doris Day movies were DF movies. 539 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,571 It was delayed fuck because they couldn't sleep together until married. 540 00:37:19,645 --> 00:37:22,136 No sex before marriage. 541 00:37:22,214 --> 00:37:25,240 That was the law of Hollywood. 542 00:37:25,317 --> 00:37:30,653 What a marvelous-looking man. I wonder if he's single. 543 00:37:32,792 --> 00:37:35,454 I don't know how long I can get away with this act... 544 00:37:35,528 --> 00:37:37,723 but she's sure worth a try. 545 00:37:37,797 --> 00:37:42,097 Rock had a screening room in his house. 546 00:37:42,168 --> 00:37:46,195 He liked to assemble his houseguests and show his old movies. 547 00:37:46,272 --> 00:37:50,265 Most of the guys I knew liked to see the old Doris Day films. 548 00:37:50,342 --> 00:37:54,244 one of the reasons we laughed at them... 549 00:37:54,313 --> 00:37:56,873 was that there was a real gay in-joke occurring... 550 00:37:56,949 --> 00:37:59,076 in almost all of those light comedies... 551 00:37:59,151 --> 00:38:02,518 because at some point or another the character Rock Hudson played... 552 00:38:02,588 --> 00:38:06,319 posed as gay in order to get a woman into bed. 553 00:38:06,392 --> 00:38:08,326 Tell me about your job. 554 00:38:08,394 --> 00:38:13,593 It must be very excitin' workin' with all them colors and fabrics and all. 555 00:38:20,573 --> 00:38:23,133 It was tremendously ironic. 556 00:38:23,209 --> 00:38:27,373 Here was a gay man impersonating a straight man... 557 00:38:27,446 --> 00:38:29,676 impersonating a gay man. 558 00:38:37,056 --> 00:38:41,356 Ain't these tasty? Wonder if I could get the recipe? 559 00:38:42,428 --> 00:38:46,091 sure would like to surprise my ma when I go back home. 560 00:38:55,274 --> 00:38:57,242 We're all half man, half woman. 561 00:38:57,309 --> 00:39:00,574 We come from those two cells, you know? 562 00:39:00,646 --> 00:39:03,240 so when I put together Josephine in some Like It Hot... 563 00:39:03,315 --> 00:39:05,340 I thought of Grace Kelly... 564 00:39:05,417 --> 00:39:07,214 thought of my mother... 565 00:39:07,286 --> 00:39:10,016 and a little bit of Eve Arden. 566 00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:13,456 - My name is Josephine. - I'm Daphne. 567 00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:18,596 I thought my top lip was a little thin' so every time I stopped talking I'd... 568 00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:26,895 - Men! - You don't have to worry about that. 569 00:39:26,972 --> 00:39:29,532 We wouldn't be caught dead with men. 570 00:39:29,608 --> 00:39:32,702 Rough, hairy beasts with eight hands! 571 00:39:32,778 --> 00:39:35,838 That kind of sexuality of ours which overlaps... 572 00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:38,543 some like it hard. some like it soft. 573 00:39:38,617 --> 00:39:43,748 That kind of waving in there is in that movie, just delicately. 574 00:39:44,523 --> 00:39:47,788 Osgood, I'm gonna level with ya. We can't get married at all! 575 00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:49,350 Why not? 576 00:39:49,428 --> 00:39:52,989 Well, in the first place, I'm not a natural blond. 577 00:39:53,065 --> 00:39:55,329 Doesn't matter. 578 00:39:55,401 --> 00:39:57,699 I smoke. I smoke all the time. 579 00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:59,362 I don't care. 580 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:03,636 I have a terrible past. For three years I've lived with a saxophone player. 581 00:40:03,709 --> 00:40:05,973 I forgive you. 582 00:40:07,446 --> 00:40:09,937 I can never have children. 583 00:40:10,015 --> 00:40:11,983 We can adopt some. 584 00:40:12,051 --> 00:40:14,542 You don't understand, Osgood. 585 00:40:15,521 --> 00:40:17,455 I'm a man! 586 00:40:17,523 --> 00:40:20,048 Well, nobody's perfect. 587 00:40:25,497 --> 00:40:29,627 When the subject turned serious and actual sex was suggested... 588 00:40:29,702 --> 00:40:33,160 out came the blue pencil, the scissors and the scene. 589 00:40:33,238 --> 00:40:37,038 "Antoninus, Sicilian, age 26... 590 00:40:38,677 --> 00:40:41,145 singer of songs." 591 00:40:41,213 --> 00:40:44,376 For whom did you practice this wondrous talent? 592 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:48,352 For the children of my master, whom I also taught the classics. 593 00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:50,820 Classics, indeed. 594 00:40:50,889 --> 00:40:55,826 What position have we, I wonder, for a boy of such varied gifts? 595 00:40:57,296 --> 00:40:59,321 You shall be my body servant. Instruct him. 596 00:40:59,398 --> 00:41:00,831 All of you, come with me. 597 00:41:00,899 --> 00:41:03,732 The first time you see Antoninus is there in the lineup... 598 00:41:03,802 --> 00:41:06,362 when he says, "I want him for my body servant." 599 00:41:06,438 --> 00:41:09,305 That's the only indication. Body servant. What does that mean? 600 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:14,810 He says body servant. The next thing you know we're in the tub. I'm washing him. 601 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,543 In here with it. 602 00:41:18,617 --> 00:41:21,711 There's some chat between us, and then finally he says to me... 603 00:41:21,787 --> 00:41:24,085 ''Antoninus, do you like snails?" 604 00:41:24,156 --> 00:41:26,886 I said, "Yeah, I do." 605 00:41:26,959 --> 00:41:29,553 "What about oysters?" I said, "Well, I don't think so." 606 00:41:29,628 --> 00:41:32,495 Do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral... 607 00:41:32,564 --> 00:41:35,465 and the eating of snails to be immoral? 608 00:41:37,002 --> 00:41:39,232 No, Master. 609 00:41:39,304 --> 00:41:41,238 of course not. 610 00:41:43,942 --> 00:41:47,070 It is all a matter of taste, isn't it? 611 00:41:47,146 --> 00:41:49,637 Yes, Master. 612 00:41:49,715 --> 00:41:52,878 And taste is not the same as appetite... 613 00:41:52,951 --> 00:41:56,114 and, therefore, not a question of morals, is it? 614 00:41:58,023 --> 00:42:01,015 You can see even in that long shot I've... 615 00:42:01,093 --> 00:42:03,254 I'm kind of getting an idea what he's trying to say to me. 616 00:42:03,328 --> 00:42:04,920 I said, "Yes, Master." 617 00:42:04,997 --> 00:42:08,865 He says, "Well, I like both oysters and snails." 618 00:42:10,102 --> 00:42:12,593 He realizes that he's going to be asked... 619 00:42:12,671 --> 00:42:15,606 to do something he's not prepared to do. 620 00:42:15,674 --> 00:42:18,609 I liked Antoninus for that, you know? 621 00:42:18,677 --> 00:42:21,339 Take me out to dinner first. Give me a little good time. 622 00:42:21,413 --> 00:42:24,314 Don't throw me in the tub and drop the soap. 623 00:42:24,383 --> 00:42:30,253 My taste includes both snails and oysters. 624 00:42:30,322 --> 00:42:32,813 They cut that scene out. 625 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,757 I have never seen such a time in my life with censorship. 626 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:41,891 You started drinkin' with your friend skipper's death. That's the truth. 627 00:42:43,435 --> 00:42:46,893 They cut and cut Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. 628 00:42:46,972 --> 00:42:51,841 There was no way Brick could have had any kind of sexual desire for his buddy. 629 00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:54,344 What are you suggesting? 630 00:42:54,413 --> 00:42:57,974 - Nothin' but... - But what? Say what's on your mind. 631 00:42:58,050 --> 00:43:00,348 say it! 632 00:43:00,419 --> 00:43:02,683 - Why are you so excited? - Go ahead! say it! 633 00:43:02,754 --> 00:43:05,348 - What are you shouting like that for? - skipper and I were friends. 634 00:43:05,424 --> 00:43:07,915 - Can you understand that? - Gooper and Mae said that skipper was... 635 00:43:07,993 --> 00:43:11,087 skipper is the only thing I got left to believe in! 636 00:43:11,163 --> 00:43:13,461 - You are dragging it through the gutter! - Now, just a minute... 637 00:43:13,532 --> 00:43:16,092 You are making it shameful and filthy, you... 638 00:43:17,369 --> 00:43:21,567 It was clear to anybody on the right wavelength what you were doing. 639 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,870 You just couldn't use the word. 640 00:43:23,942 --> 00:43:28,174 I met this head-on in a movie called suddenly, Last summer... 641 00:43:28,247 --> 00:43:30,306 from a Tennessee Williams play. 642 00:43:30,382 --> 00:43:32,748 You know why I was doing it. 643 00:43:32,818 --> 00:43:36,151 I told you. I was procuring for him. 644 00:43:38,257 --> 00:43:40,487 Sebastian was lonely, Doctor. 645 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,493 The Legion of Decency... 646 00:43:42,561 --> 00:43:46,861 headed by this shark-like Jesuit priest... 647 00:43:46,932 --> 00:43:48,866 I must have had five meetings with him. 648 00:43:48,934 --> 00:43:51,596 "You can't say this. You can't say that." 649 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:54,730 By the time we started to cut it, it was making no sense at all. 650 00:43:54,806 --> 00:43:59,743 Sebastian only needed you while you were still useful. 651 00:43:59,811 --> 00:44:03,747 - Useful? - I mean, young, able to attract. 652 00:44:03,815 --> 00:44:05,942 she's babbling again, babbling and lying. 653 00:44:06,018 --> 00:44:07,952 He left her home because she had lost her... 654 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,989 - Because you stole him! - Lost her attraction. 655 00:44:11,056 --> 00:44:14,082 What would attraction have to do with a son and a mother? 656 00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,150 - I'll tell you... - Is there no way to stop these lies? 657 00:44:16,228 --> 00:44:18,992 Yes! Have my brain cut! 658 00:44:19,064 --> 00:44:23,364 It was like working under the Kremlin, like writing for Pravda. 659 00:44:23,435 --> 00:44:26,927 You did learn how to write between the lines or photograph between the lines. 660 00:44:27,005 --> 00:44:31,066 You do it with a look, or there'd be a take on Hepburn's face... 661 00:44:31,143 --> 00:44:34,169 as Elizabeth Taylor would be telling her... 662 00:44:34,246 --> 00:44:36,612 getting closer and closer to the truth... 663 00:44:36,682 --> 00:44:38,741 which the Legion of Decency wouldn't dare let us say. 664 00:44:38,817 --> 00:44:40,944 - We were decoys. - Decoys? 665 00:44:41,019 --> 00:44:44,284 For Sebastian. He used us as bait. 666 00:44:44,356 --> 00:44:49,623 When she was no longer able to lure the better fish into the net, he let her go. 667 00:44:49,695 --> 00:44:52,391 Bait for what? What were the better fish? 668 00:44:52,464 --> 00:44:54,432 We procured for him. 669 00:44:54,499 --> 00:44:58,128 Did Sebastian like boys or not? 670 00:44:58,203 --> 00:45:01,764 Well, the fact that he's eaten up at the end by... 671 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,298 Admittedly, Tennessee occasionally went over the top with his dramatic effects. 672 00:45:05,377 --> 00:45:10,542 When he tried to escape from those streets... 673 00:45:11,483 --> 00:45:15,112 down those little side streets between the buildings... 674 00:45:16,121 --> 00:45:18,749 they came from everywhere... 675 00:45:18,824 --> 00:45:21,486 so the only way was up. 676 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,927 Sebastian Venable was the perfect homosexual for his times... 677 00:45:24,997 --> 00:45:27,488 one without a face or a voice. 678 00:45:27,566 --> 00:45:31,468 since he lives as a monster, he must die as one... 679 00:45:31,536 --> 00:45:33,663 in a scene reminiscent of an early horror classic. 680 00:45:39,978 --> 00:45:42,037 I don't know how he still ran. He never ran. 681 00:45:42,114 --> 00:45:44,639 But he ran and he ran and he ran! 682 00:45:48,186 --> 00:45:50,120 He never reached the end! 683 00:45:50,188 --> 00:45:51,917 Never! 684 00:45:53,258 --> 00:45:56,352 They overtook him. 685 00:45:57,262 --> 00:45:59,730 He screamed just once. 686 00:45:59,798 --> 00:46:02,323 I... I... Then I... Then I... 687 00:46:08,307 --> 00:46:11,504 Help! 688 00:46:11,576 --> 00:46:13,806 Help! 689 00:46:13,879 --> 00:46:18,009 So Suddenly, Last summer opens, and the New York Times is going to destroy... 690 00:46:18,083 --> 00:46:20,984 this degenerate film, the work of degenerates. 691 00:46:21,053 --> 00:46:23,783 so you've got a review from Bosley Crowther that said... 692 00:46:23,855 --> 00:46:29,725 "If you like incest, rape, sodomy, cannibalism, degeneracy... 693 00:46:29,795 --> 00:46:33,322 this is the movie for you, this sickening picture." 694 00:46:33,398 --> 00:46:36,890 Everybody in the country went to see it. That review made the movie. 695 00:46:40,405 --> 00:46:42,339 A taut... 696 00:46:42,407 --> 00:46:44,671 tense drama of the most... 697 00:46:44,743 --> 00:46:46,973 of the most untalked-about subject. 698 00:46:50,115 --> 00:46:52,083 While Hollywood remained reticent... 699 00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:54,812 British films began to tackle homosexuality head-on... 700 00:46:56,922 --> 00:47:01,325 with a major star like Dirk Bogarde as the screen's first gay hero. 701 00:47:01,393 --> 00:47:04,191 I want to know the truth. 702 00:47:04,262 --> 00:47:06,890 I want to know why he hanged himself. 703 00:47:06,965 --> 00:47:08,694 He was being blackmailed. 704 00:47:08,767 --> 00:47:11,895 - That's why he stole? - Yes. 705 00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:15,337 someone found out he was a homosexual and blackmailed him? 706 00:47:18,176 --> 00:47:20,110 That's it. 707 00:47:23,081 --> 00:47:26,608 It takes two to make a reason for blackmail. 708 00:47:26,685 --> 00:47:30,451 Were you the other man? Were you? 709 00:47:30,522 --> 00:47:32,547 There is a scene in the film in which... 710 00:47:32,624 --> 00:47:35,491 he is quite explicit about... 711 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,324 wanting to have sex with another man. 712 00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:42,197 That's an extraordinary statement for a star of that magnitude... 713 00:47:42,267 --> 00:47:46,226 in a popular entertainment movie to make in 1961. 714 00:47:46,304 --> 00:47:49,569 All right, you want to know. I shall tell you. 715 00:47:49,641 --> 00:47:51,575 You won't be content until you know, will you? 716 00:47:51,643 --> 00:47:53,941 Till you've ripped it out of me! 717 00:47:54,012 --> 00:47:57,573 I stopped seeing him because I wanted him. 718 00:47:57,649 --> 00:47:59,640 Do you understand? Because I wanted him! 719 00:48:01,887 --> 00:48:06,290 Back in Hollywood, the production code had gradually been whittled away. 720 00:48:06,358 --> 00:48:11,523 Moviemakers, fed up with restrictions, set out to smash the last taboo. 721 00:48:30,348 --> 00:48:34,717 Homosexuality was finally being talked about on the screen... 722 00:48:34,786 --> 00:48:37,846 but only as something that nice people didn�t talk about. 723 00:48:37,923 --> 00:48:40,255 We've seen things too. 724 00:48:40,325 --> 00:48:43,419 - What things? - Bad things. I can't tell you. 725 00:48:43,495 --> 00:48:46,987 You're annoying me very much. If you have anything to say, say it. 726 00:48:47,065 --> 00:48:49,761 I mean, I can't say it out loud. I've got to whisper it. 727 00:48:49,835 --> 00:48:53,669 - Why must you whisper it? - I don't know. I've just got to. 728 00:48:53,738 --> 00:48:56,036 At the time we made the picture... 729 00:48:56,107 --> 00:49:00,009 there were not real discussions about homosexuality. 730 00:49:00,078 --> 00:49:02,012 Do you know what you're saying? 731 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,244 It was about a child, s accusations. It could have been about anything. 732 00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:09,776 stop the car, John! stop the car, John! 733 00:49:10,789 --> 00:49:12,814 so none of us were really aware. 734 00:49:12,891 --> 00:49:14,916 We might have been the forerunners, but we weren't really... 735 00:49:14,993 --> 00:49:16,927 because we didn't do the picture right. 736 00:49:18,663 --> 00:49:20,927 We were in the mind-set... 737 00:49:20,999 --> 00:49:25,299 of not understanding... 738 00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:27,804 what we were basically doing. 739 00:49:27,873 --> 00:49:30,603 You've got to know! I've got to tell you! 740 00:49:30,675 --> 00:49:33,508 I can't keep it to myself any longer. 741 00:49:33,578 --> 00:49:35,546 I'm guilty! 742 00:49:35,614 --> 00:49:38,549 You're guilty of nothing! 743 00:49:38,617 --> 00:49:43,213 These days there would be a tremendous outcry, as well there should be. 744 00:49:43,288 --> 00:49:47,486 Why would Martha break down and say, "What's wrong with me? 745 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:50,687 I'm so polluted. I've ruined you." 746 00:49:50,762 --> 00:49:52,696 she would fight. 747 00:49:52,764 --> 00:49:57,030 she would fight for her budding preference. 748 00:49:57,102 --> 00:50:01,061 When you look at it, to have Martha play that scene... 749 00:50:01,139 --> 00:50:04,336 and no one questioned what that meant... 750 00:50:04,409 --> 00:50:08,971 or what the alternatives could have been underneath the dialogue... 751 00:50:09,047 --> 00:50:11,914 It's mind boggling. 752 00:50:11,983 --> 00:50:13,382 We were unaware. 753 00:50:13,451 --> 00:50:18,946 Don't you see? I can't stand to have you touch me. 754 00:50:19,024 --> 00:50:22,551 I can't stand to have you look at me. 755 00:50:22,627 --> 00:50:25,357 It's all my fault! 756 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:29,196 I've ruined your life, and I've ruined my own. 757 00:50:29,267 --> 00:50:31,861 I swear I didn't know it! 758 00:50:31,937 --> 00:50:33,996 I didn't mean it! 759 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,434 oh, I feel so damn sick and dirty! I can't stand it anymore! 760 00:50:42,981 --> 00:50:45,506 The profundity of this subject... 761 00:50:45,584 --> 00:50:49,611 was not in the lexicon of our rehearsal period even. 762 00:50:49,688 --> 00:50:52,384 Audrey and I never talked about this. 763 00:50:52,457 --> 00:50:54,391 Isn�t that amazing? 764 00:50:55,193 --> 00:50:57,423 Truly amazing. 765 00:50:59,864 --> 00:51:03,197 The loathing she feels... How sick she is with herself... 766 00:51:03,268 --> 00:51:07,102 It still makes me cry when I see that. 767 00:51:07,172 --> 00:51:10,733 I think, why am I crying? Why does this still get to me? 768 00:51:10,809 --> 00:51:15,041 This is just an old silly movie. People don't feel this way anymore. 769 00:51:15,113 --> 00:51:19,743 But I don't think that's true. I think people do feel that way today still. 770 00:51:19,818 --> 00:51:22,753 There's part of me, despite all my little signs... 771 00:51:22,821 --> 00:51:26,917 "Happy. Proud. Well-adjusted. Bisexual. Queer. Kinky." 772 00:51:26,992 --> 00:51:30,359 No matter how many posters I hold up saying... 773 00:51:30,428 --> 00:51:33,226 "I'm a big pervert, and I'm so happy about it..." 774 00:51:33,298 --> 00:51:37,496 there's this part of me that's, like, how could I be this way? 775 00:51:37,569 --> 00:51:41,164 He said to tell you before you go on with the Lefflngwell matter... 776 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,469 you ought to remember what happened in Hawaii. 777 00:51:43,541 --> 00:51:45,202 Then he hung up. 778 00:51:46,778 --> 00:51:50,145 What happened in Hawaii, Brig? 779 00:51:50,215 --> 00:51:52,877 What was the voice like? 780 00:51:52,951 --> 00:51:58,014 It was crawly. He made it sound like he knew some kind of nasty secret. 781 00:51:58,089 --> 00:52:00,819 I've been on the front pages the past few days. 782 00:52:00,892 --> 00:52:04,521 Bound to get some crackpot calls. Just hang up if you get anymore. 783 00:52:04,596 --> 00:52:08,862 I saw Advise and Consent when I was in my senior year in high school. 784 00:52:08,933 --> 00:52:12,664 Very much a virgin. I didn't actually have sex with anybody... 785 00:52:12,737 --> 00:52:14,705 until I was 25 years old... 786 00:52:14,773 --> 00:52:17,207 so everything was theoretical at that point. 787 00:52:17,275 --> 00:52:21,735 All I saw was a life that might lie down the road for me. 788 00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:29,646 Let me hear a voice 789 00:52:29,721 --> 00:52:32,246 A secret voice 790 00:52:32,323 --> 00:52:36,555 A voice that will say 791 00:52:36,628 --> 00:52:39,392 senator Brigham Anderson, who's being blackmailed... 792 00:52:39,464 --> 00:52:43,730 goes to check out this former lover at a bar. 793 00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:50,471 It was my first glimpse into what I imagined... 794 00:52:50,542 --> 00:52:55,275 organized gay life to be, and it was very, very scary... 795 00:52:55,346 --> 00:53:00,875 because it suggested people who have to remain hidden in the shadows. 796 00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:07,824 Well, come on in. Don't just stand there. 797 00:53:13,131 --> 00:53:14,655 Don't run off. 798 00:53:22,273 --> 00:53:24,207 Ray! You're with me! 799 00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:29,012 Brig? 800 00:53:32,283 --> 00:53:34,274 - Wait a moment, Brig. - Taxi! 801 00:53:34,352 --> 00:53:37,844 - Let me explain. Brig, wait a moment. - Taxi! 802 00:53:37,922 --> 00:53:40,254 I needed money, Brig! 803 00:53:40,325 --> 00:53:45,262 Well, you wouldn't see me. I kept calling. I was drunk. 804 00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:47,423 Drive, will ya? Drive! 805 00:53:49,834 --> 00:53:53,133 I felt that something dreadful was going to happen to me... 806 00:53:53,204 --> 00:53:55,399 something that I wouldn't be able to turn back... 807 00:53:55,473 --> 00:54:00,342 once I'd actually had sex with another man... 808 00:54:00,411 --> 00:54:03,073 and that the end of that road would be suicide. 809 00:54:03,148 --> 00:54:05,582 I got that impression from the movies. 810 00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:07,584 Is that Brig? 811 00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:12,053 What's the matter? 812 00:54:12,123 --> 00:54:14,614 He's dead. 813 00:54:14,692 --> 00:54:16,421 Brig? 814 00:54:16,494 --> 00:54:20,055 In his office. He cut his throat. 815 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,836 Oliver saw you. You were with Dove all afternoon. 816 00:54:25,904 --> 00:54:29,772 You know, lying to me, Haley... 817 00:54:29,841 --> 00:54:32,537 oh, well, perhaps maturity will change all that. 818 00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:34,578 What do you think I'll mature into? 819 00:54:35,246 --> 00:54:36,679 You? 820 00:54:37,682 --> 00:54:40,207 I want to know what's going on between you and that boy. 821 00:54:40,285 --> 00:54:42,219 Are you in love with that Texas dirt farmer? 822 00:54:42,287 --> 00:54:44,118 He's more than that. 823 00:54:44,189 --> 00:54:47,317 It's gone quite far already, hasn't it? You'd like to make him happy. 824 00:54:47,392 --> 00:54:49,326 Make all his dreams come true. 825 00:54:49,394 --> 00:54:52,192 - Perhaps even get married. - Yes, even get married. 826 00:54:53,531 --> 00:54:56,898 All right, I'll be sorry to lose you. 827 00:54:56,968 --> 00:54:59,402 But if you think the world is your oyster, go ahead and take it. 828 00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:02,200 How do you think the boy is going to feel when he finds out what you are... 829 00:55:02,273 --> 00:55:03,672 what you've been? 830 00:55:03,741 --> 00:55:05,675 - He'll forgive me. - All right, go to him. 831 00:55:05,743 --> 00:55:08,337 After all, a girl like you has so much to offer a man. 832 00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:10,142 A knife to cut his heart out. 833 00:55:10,215 --> 00:55:12,308 - I'll change! - Of course you'll change! 834 00:55:12,383 --> 00:55:15,284 But haven't you said that so many times before? But go on and tell him. 835 00:55:15,353 --> 00:55:17,446 Tell him about the days and nights of Haley Gerard. 836 00:55:17,522 --> 00:55:19,547 Tell him about the mud you've rolled in for years! 837 00:55:19,624 --> 00:55:21,717 Well, tell him! 838 00:55:21,793 --> 00:55:24,125 Growing up in that period in the '60s... 839 00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:28,063 all we had were images of unhappy... 840 00:55:28,132 --> 00:55:30,657 suicidal, desperate gay people. 841 00:55:31,736 --> 00:55:33,670 The thought of turning... 842 00:55:33,738 --> 00:55:35,672 of turning involuntarily... 843 00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:37,674 into one of them... 844 00:55:37,742 --> 00:55:41,405 frightened me and made me sick with anger. 845 00:55:41,479 --> 00:55:43,811 I went down there. 846 00:55:43,882 --> 00:55:45,907 I had heard about the waterfront. 847 00:55:45,984 --> 00:55:48,316 People giggle and make jokes about it. 848 00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:51,822 I had had only two experiences before... 849 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:55,917 once in college, once in the army. 850 00:55:55,994 --> 00:56:00,328 I thought I'd gotten it out of my life, but I hadn't. 851 00:56:00,398 --> 00:56:02,866 I looked at them. 852 00:56:03,935 --> 00:56:06,267 Was this what I was like? 853 00:56:06,337 --> 00:56:09,067 Oh, my God. 854 00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:13,372 Twisted faces, outcasts... 855 00:56:13,444 --> 00:56:17,380 lives lived in shadows, always prey to a million dangers. 856 00:56:19,083 --> 00:56:21,881 People don't realize what we go through. 857 00:56:21,953 --> 00:56:24,353 I was raised in a family that would not even admit... 858 00:56:24,422 --> 00:56:28,518 that there was such a thing as a homosexual in this world... 859 00:56:28,593 --> 00:56:31,357 and here I was... 860 00:56:31,429 --> 00:56:33,590 and I couldn't do anything about it. 861 00:56:33,665 --> 00:56:35,656 I couldn't stop! 862 00:56:35,733 --> 00:56:37,724 These images magnify... 863 00:56:37,802 --> 00:56:41,636 the sadness... 864 00:56:41,706 --> 00:56:43,640 the hatred of us... 865 00:56:45,176 --> 00:56:48,304 the prediction that we will not find love. 866 00:56:48,379 --> 00:56:50,711 How come you never got married? 867 00:56:52,984 --> 00:56:54,747 You're not bad-looking. 868 00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:57,412 Features are good. 869 00:57:00,391 --> 00:57:01,653 Nice legs... 870 00:57:03,628 --> 00:57:05,061 ankles. 871 00:57:07,865 --> 00:57:09,799 But you never had a man? 872 00:57:13,571 --> 00:57:15,505 I think that's really your problem. 873 00:57:18,076 --> 00:57:21,011 I think the fate of gay characters... 874 00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:24,014 in American literature, plays, films... 875 00:57:24,082 --> 00:57:27,916 is the same as the fate of all characters who are sexually free. 876 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,953 Haley? 877 00:57:34,325 --> 00:57:36,259 Get Jo out of here! 878 00:57:40,832 --> 00:57:42,094 You must pay. 879 00:57:42,166 --> 00:57:44,100 You must suffer. 880 00:57:45,269 --> 00:57:48,636 If you're a woman who commits adultery, you're only put out in the storm. 881 00:57:48,706 --> 00:57:52,107 If you're a woman who has another woman, you'd better go hang yourself. 882 00:57:52,176 --> 00:57:57,045 It's a question of degree, and if you're gay you have to do real penance... die. 883 00:57:57,115 --> 00:57:59,811 I knew you were gay the moment you walked into the bar. 884 00:58:01,352 --> 00:58:03,286 How could you know? 885 00:58:04,455 --> 00:58:06,013 We know each other. 886 00:58:11,396 --> 00:58:13,830 something about the way you walked. 887 00:58:18,202 --> 00:58:19,794 something about the eyes. 888 00:58:22,373 --> 00:58:24,307 What's the matter with you? 889 00:58:26,944 --> 00:58:29,208 Let go of me! 890 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,214 I'll call the police! Let go! 891 00:58:34,419 --> 00:58:36,080 - Don't. - Operator? 892 00:58:36,154 --> 00:58:38,088 Don't do that! 893 00:58:38,156 --> 00:58:39,589 You bitch! 894 00:58:46,364 --> 00:58:48,594 By now, the pattern was clear... 895 00:58:48,666 --> 00:58:50,930 characters of questionable sexuality... 896 00:58:51,002 --> 00:58:54,836 would meet with a nasty end in the last reel. 897 00:58:58,242 --> 00:59:01,040 Feed your faces and keep your traps shut if you don't want to... 898 00:59:01,879 --> 00:59:04,109 Kill her. Kill her! Kill her! 899 00:59:45,156 --> 00:59:47,454 Oh, Martha. 900 00:59:58,035 --> 01:00:01,300 When the time comes, you won't have the guts. 901 01:00:01,372 --> 01:00:03,670 It's not always like it happens in plays. 902 01:00:03,741 --> 01:00:07,142 Not all faggots bump themselves off at the end of the story. 903 01:00:07,211 --> 01:00:10,078 - One, two. one, two. - Oh, Christ. 904 01:00:10,148 --> 01:00:13,413 Single, single, dip. 905 01:00:13,484 --> 01:00:15,281 - Wait a minute! - One, two, three. 906 01:00:16,087 --> 01:00:18,954 It's the geriatrics Rockettes. 907 01:00:19,023 --> 01:00:20,388 Finally, it happened. 908 01:00:20,458 --> 01:00:24,519 Hollywood made a movie in which gay men took a hard look at their own lives. 909 01:00:24,595 --> 01:00:27,223 It's the sensational Menstruations! 910 01:00:27,298 --> 01:00:29,232 And, in a refreshing twist... 911 01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,359 they all survived. 912 01:00:32,203 --> 01:00:34,831 The great thing about seeing The Boys in the Band... 913 01:00:34,906 --> 01:00:37,773 I hadn't come out yet... 914 01:00:37,842 --> 01:00:41,141 and what it did for me was present gay men... 915 01:00:41,212 --> 01:00:44,841 as having this incredible sense of camaraderie... 916 01:00:44,916 --> 01:00:50,411 this sense of belonging to a group which I, d never really felt before. 917 01:00:52,623 --> 01:00:55,023 Forget your troubles Come on, get happy 918 01:00:55,092 --> 01:00:57,890 You better chase all your cares away 919 01:00:59,830 --> 01:01:03,322 What's more boring than a queen doing a Judy Garland imitation? 920 01:01:03,401 --> 01:01:06,529 A queen doing a Bette Davis imitation. 921 01:01:06,604 --> 01:01:09,004 I knew a lot of people... 922 01:01:09,073 --> 01:01:12,270 like those people. 923 01:01:12,343 --> 01:01:16,109 I would say that probably all nine of them... 924 01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:19,616 are split-off pieces of myself. 925 01:01:19,684 --> 01:01:25,589 What I am, Michael, is a 32-year-old, ugly, pockmarked Jew fairy... 926 01:01:25,656 --> 01:01:28,420 and if it takes me a while to pull myself together... 927 01:01:28,492 --> 01:01:33,327 if I smoke some grass before I get up the nerve to show myself to the world... 928 01:01:33,397 --> 01:01:36,833 it's nobody's goddamn business but my own. 929 01:01:38,502 --> 01:01:40,436 And how are you this evening? 930 01:01:40,504 --> 01:01:42,631 They were miserable and bitchy. 931 01:01:42,707 --> 01:01:44,334 If I was wrong... 932 01:01:44,408 --> 01:01:47,935 it was definitely a reflection of what was... 933 01:01:49,146 --> 01:01:51,671 wrong in my head. 934 01:01:51,749 --> 01:01:56,311 But that's the way I saw things then. 935 01:01:56,387 --> 01:01:58,981 You're a sad and pathetic man. 936 01:02:01,626 --> 01:02:04,117 You're a homosexual, and you don't want to be. 937 01:02:05,096 --> 01:02:08,031 But there's nothing you can do to change it. 938 01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:12,394 Not all your prayers to your God. 939 01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:16,907 Not all the analysis you can buy in all the years you've got left to live. 940 01:02:18,676 --> 01:02:23,204 You may very well one day be able to know a heterosexual life... 941 01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:26,307 if you want it desperately enough... 942 01:02:26,384 --> 01:02:29,979 if you pursue it with the fervor with which you annihilate. 943 01:02:31,522 --> 01:02:34,082 But you'll always be homosexual as well. 944 01:02:35,526 --> 01:02:37,118 Always, Michael. 945 01:02:38,562 --> 01:02:40,587 Always... 946 01:02:40,665 --> 01:02:42,599 until the day you die. 947 01:02:51,409 --> 01:02:52,501 Friends... 948 01:02:54,979 --> 01:02:56,947 thanks for the nifty party. 949 01:02:58,783 --> 01:03:03,083 I think that the self-deprecating humor... 950 01:03:03,154 --> 01:03:05,088 was borne out of a... 951 01:03:07,258 --> 01:03:09,692 low self-esteem, if you will... 952 01:03:11,329 --> 01:03:15,823 from a sense of what the times told you about yourself. 953 01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:23,530 Homosexuality was still classified as a mental illness. 954 01:03:32,650 --> 01:03:36,643 You went into a gay bar, you were liable to be arrested... 955 01:03:36,721 --> 01:03:38,848 or the place be raided. 956 01:03:38,923 --> 01:03:43,519 I've been in those situations. 957 01:03:45,896 --> 01:03:48,057 There were still not just attitudes... 958 01:03:48,132 --> 01:03:51,101 there were laws against... 959 01:03:51,869 --> 01:03:53,700 one's being... 960 01:03:53,771 --> 01:03:56,433 the core of one's being. 961 01:03:56,507 --> 01:04:00,443 If we could just not hate ourselves so much. 962 01:04:04,048 --> 01:04:05,982 That's it, you know. 963 01:04:08,152 --> 01:04:11,553 If we could just learn not to hate ourselves... 964 01:04:12,957 --> 01:04:14,891 quite so very much. 965 01:04:28,873 --> 01:04:30,204 The first film... 966 01:04:30,274 --> 01:04:35,211 that really celebrated homosexuality, as far as I was concerned, was Cabaret. 967 01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:44,778 For me, it embodied the very life I was beginning to live in San Francisco... 968 01:04:44,855 --> 01:04:49,690 one in which there was no real onus placed on homosexuality. 969 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,695 Doesn't my body drive you wild with desire? 970 01:04:55,099 --> 01:04:57,033 Well, doesn't it? 971 01:04:59,170 --> 01:05:01,468 Lt's a very nice body. 972 01:05:01,539 --> 01:05:03,973 Do you really think so, darling? 973 01:05:04,041 --> 01:05:06,805 It does have a certain kind of style. 974 01:05:06,877 --> 01:05:10,369 I mean, look, it's very flat here... 975 01:05:10,448 --> 01:05:12,416 not much hips... 976 01:05:12,483 --> 01:05:13,916 and... 977 01:05:15,486 --> 01:05:16,919 here. 978 01:05:18,722 --> 01:05:21,657 It's a little early in the day for this sort of thing. 979 01:05:27,364 --> 01:05:30,299 Maybe you just don't sleep with girls. 980 01:05:33,971 --> 01:05:35,563 oh. 981 01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:36,833 You don't. 982 01:05:40,778 --> 01:05:43,679 Listen, we're practically living together... 983 01:05:43,747 --> 01:05:47,478 so if you only like boys I wouldn't dream of pestering you. 984 01:05:49,053 --> 01:05:51,385 Do you sleep with girls, or don't you? 985 01:05:51,455 --> 01:05:53,548 You don't ask questions like that. 986 01:05:54,291 --> 01:05:55,553 I do. 987 01:05:55,626 --> 01:05:58,925 The boy was homosexual... 988 01:05:58,996 --> 01:06:03,228 and it seemed rational, reasonable. 989 01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:05,666 I mean, that's what the story was. 990 01:06:05,736 --> 01:06:09,194 There was no fuss with anybody. 991 01:06:09,273 --> 01:06:10,831 None at all. 992 01:06:10,908 --> 01:06:13,809 Oh, screw Maximillian! 993 01:06:14,879 --> 01:06:16,369 I do. 994 01:06:26,824 --> 01:06:28,917 so do I. 995 01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:31,890 So, things changed... 996 01:06:31,962 --> 01:06:34,430 more quickly than you might imagine. 997 01:06:34,498 --> 01:06:37,194 - And who are you? - I'm Bernstein. 998 01:06:37,268 --> 01:06:39,862 - You're Jewish? - No, darling, I'm gay. 999 01:06:47,111 --> 01:06:50,308 I don't care how you feel. You're a great dancer. 1000 01:06:50,381 --> 01:06:52,315 You're not bad yourself. 1001 01:06:54,051 --> 01:06:56,349 I think it was easier... 1002 01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:58,149 for the powers that be... 1003 01:06:58,222 --> 01:07:03,990 to show a black rather than a white character as a homosexual. 1004 01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:07,292 Why? I don't understand that. 1005 01:07:07,364 --> 01:07:09,298 But I do understand it... 1006 01:07:09,366 --> 01:07:13,029 just like it's more easy for us to have... 1007 01:07:13,103 --> 01:07:15,765 the sitcoms, situation comedies, on television... 1008 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,433 and not the serious dramas about our lives. 1009 01:07:18,509 --> 01:07:20,807 But a lot of things can be said through comedy. 1010 01:07:20,878 --> 01:07:23,813 Would you please get out of my face... 1011 01:07:23,881 --> 01:07:25,212 you sorry-looking faggot? 1012 01:07:26,283 --> 01:07:28,308 Who you callin' sorry-lookin'? 1013 01:07:30,454 --> 01:07:32,581 Can't y'all see that she ain't funny? 1014 01:07:32,656 --> 01:07:35,750 She's just another poor example... 1015 01:07:35,826 --> 01:07:38,317 of how the system destroys our men. 1016 01:07:38,395 --> 01:07:43,298 Honey, I am more man than you'll ever be and more woman than you'll ever get. 1017 01:07:44,134 --> 01:07:45,658 shit! 1018 01:07:51,842 --> 01:07:55,278 But there was a downside to the new gay visibility. 1019 01:07:55,346 --> 01:07:58,782 The threat of retaliation could be waiting just down the road. 1020 01:07:58,849 --> 01:08:02,148 This is the first image I remember... 1021 01:08:02,219 --> 01:08:05,154 having of gays in a movie I saw. 1022 01:08:05,222 --> 01:08:08,191 It was the hitchhikers that were picked up in vanishing Point. 1023 01:08:08,993 --> 01:08:12,622 Pardon me. Could you tell us which direction you're headed? 1024 01:08:12,696 --> 01:08:14,630 I'm going to Frisco. 1025 01:08:14,698 --> 01:08:17,690 Oh, well, that's perfect. Thank you. 1026 01:08:17,768 --> 01:08:22,330 one of the guys was carrying a purse. They wore very tight, pinched clothes. 1027 01:08:22,406 --> 01:08:24,966 He had a lascivious look on his face. 1028 01:08:26,243 --> 01:08:28,006 Why are you laughing? 1029 01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:31,041 I'm not laughing. 1030 01:08:31,115 --> 01:08:32,776 Yes, you are. 1031 01:08:32,850 --> 01:08:36,650 It's because you think we're queers, isn't it? 1032 01:08:40,958 --> 01:08:42,391 This is a stickup. 1033 01:08:43,427 --> 01:08:44,860 stickup? 1034 01:08:48,699 --> 01:08:50,690 Why are you laughing, Mary? 1035 01:08:50,768 --> 01:08:56,400 We all howled, because all you saw was the car speeding at 60 miles per hour... 1036 01:08:56,473 --> 01:08:59,499 then screeching to a stop and the two guys were thrown out. 1037 01:08:59,576 --> 01:09:05,378 We thought that was great..." Remember when the two homos got thrown out?" 1038 01:09:05,449 --> 01:09:06,916 We thought that was amazing. 1039 01:09:06,984 --> 01:09:10,249 There it was, almost the image of what a homosexual was. 1040 01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,311 Bitch. 1041 01:09:12,389 --> 01:09:17,554 To be gay not only meant wearing pinched clothes with this look on your face... 1042 01:09:17,628 --> 01:09:19,323 but you also carried a purse. 1043 01:09:19,396 --> 01:09:22,695 I've had the experience of being in a theater... 1044 01:09:22,766 --> 01:09:24,700 and really enjoying a movie... 1045 01:09:24,768 --> 01:09:27,703 and then suddenly, out of nowhere... 1046 01:09:27,771 --> 01:09:31,571 comes some kind of pseudo-homosexual character... 1047 01:09:31,642 --> 01:09:35,408 who is the villain, the killer, or is killed... 1048 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,447 and the audience bursts into applause. 1049 01:09:38,682 --> 01:09:41,947 I was with friends and we were watching Freebie and the Bean. 1050 01:09:42,019 --> 01:09:45,978 There's this killer transvestite... 1051 01:09:46,056 --> 01:09:48,820 who does sort of a murderous ballet. 1052 01:09:50,127 --> 01:09:53,096 And of course, triumphantly, our hero pulls out a gun... 1053 01:09:53,163 --> 01:09:56,963 and blows five million holes through the murderous transvestite... 1054 01:09:57,034 --> 01:09:59,628 and the audience burst into applause. 1055 01:10:06,276 --> 01:10:08,210 There were two things happening there. 1056 01:10:08,278 --> 01:10:10,838 People were applauding the death of the villain... 1057 01:10:10,914 --> 01:10:14,907 but they were also applauding the death of a homosexual. 1058 01:10:18,122 --> 01:10:22,923 You know you're watching a heterosexual movie when you see a Hollywood movie... 1059 01:10:22,993 --> 01:10:27,657 but you don't... you're still not quite ready for being insulted. 1060 01:10:27,731 --> 01:10:30,700 Do you know, at this moment... 1061 01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:33,703 I have sunk as low as I can go. 1062 01:10:40,744 --> 01:10:42,177 I was wrong. 1063 01:10:42,246 --> 01:10:45,875 Are you gonna tell me you're a fag? 1064 01:10:45,949 --> 01:10:48,577 I don't think I can handle it. 1065 01:10:48,652 --> 01:10:51,280 I'm not a fag. 1066 01:10:51,355 --> 01:10:53,687 I'm a werewolf. 1067 01:10:54,925 --> 01:10:57,359 I never hear the word "nigger" used... 1068 01:10:57,427 --> 01:11:00,726 unless it's by two black people... 1069 01:11:00,798 --> 01:11:02,732 as a form of affection... 1070 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,860 or by a... 1071 01:11:05,936 --> 01:11:08,871 totally bigoted southern sheriff. 1072 01:11:08,939 --> 01:11:11,840 You know, the blubbering stereotype. 1073 01:11:11,909 --> 01:11:17,211 To point out his ignorance, he would use that term. You see? 1074 01:11:17,281 --> 01:11:19,215 "Faggot" is not used in that way. 1075 01:11:19,283 --> 01:11:25,017 "Faggot" is used by just anyone talking to anyone else. 1076 01:11:25,088 --> 01:11:29,047 Hey, doesn't this cafeteria have a "no fags allowed" rule? 1077 01:11:29,126 --> 01:11:31,390 Hey, killer. Why are you on your knees? 1078 01:11:32,362 --> 01:11:33,624 You queer or somethin'? 1079 01:11:33,697 --> 01:11:36,291 I know what you've been after, you goddamn faggot. 1080 01:11:36,366 --> 01:11:38,766 You must be creamin' all over your faggot self. 1081 01:11:38,836 --> 01:11:41,896 After all this, you won't have to hang out with that faggot Caesar anymore. 1082 01:11:41,972 --> 01:11:44,236 Unhappy, faggot? 1083 01:11:44,308 --> 01:11:46,469 You're a faggot, a dirty queer. 1084 01:11:46,543 --> 01:11:48,875 - You a queer? - Hell no, sir! 1085 01:11:48,946 --> 01:11:50,573 What's the matter? You goin' faggot? 1086 01:11:50,647 --> 01:11:52,410 You turnin' fag on me? 1087 01:11:52,482 --> 01:11:55,610 - Oh, you're a tough faggot, ain't you? - What do you faggots want? 1088 01:11:55,686 --> 01:11:57,654 You hear me, you fuckin' faggots? 1089 01:11:57,721 --> 01:12:00,212 - Fuck you, faggot. - Fuck you, queer. 1090 01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:03,487 - Who is this faggot? - You bald-headed, flatfoot faggot. 1091 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,656 You become either inured to it or conditioned to accept it... 1092 01:12:07,731 --> 01:12:10,325 and it becomes the attitude... 1093 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,958 the prevailing attitude. 1094 01:12:12,035 --> 01:12:16,665 It becomes the way people perceive gay people. 1095 01:12:21,812 --> 01:12:25,646 When Hollywood finally acknowledged the burgeoning gay scene... 1096 01:12:25,716 --> 01:12:27,650 it came up with a grisly thriller... 1097 01:12:27,718 --> 01:12:31,085 set in the world of leather bars. 1098 01:12:33,757 --> 01:12:36,692 - How big are you? - Party size. 1099 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,695 - What are you into? - I go anywhere. 1100 01:12:40,964 --> 01:12:43,899 - I don't do anything. - That's cool. 1101 01:12:43,967 --> 01:12:45,901 Hips or lips? 1102 01:12:51,875 --> 01:12:55,106 I did have an experience with the movie Cruising. 1103 01:12:55,178 --> 01:12:58,978 Not about seeing the movie, but being the victim of someone who had. 1104 01:12:59,049 --> 01:13:03,383 My lover and I were gay-bashed by young men who worked in a movie theater. 1105 01:13:03,453 --> 01:13:05,546 They threatened us... 1106 01:13:05,622 --> 01:13:09,615 they chased us out of the theater, into the street... 1107 01:13:09,693 --> 01:13:13,288 and as I was escaping from one of them, he said to me... 1108 01:13:13,363 --> 01:13:16,355 "If you saw the movie Cruising, you know what you deserve." 1109 01:13:21,838 --> 01:13:23,772 Who's here? 1110 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,740 I'm here. 1111 01:13:25,809 --> 01:13:27,743 You're here. 1112 01:13:29,913 --> 01:13:31,574 Now I'm afraid. 1113 01:13:31,648 --> 01:13:33,843 Homosexuals in movies had changed... 1114 01:13:33,917 --> 01:13:37,045 from victims to victimizers. 1115 01:13:38,055 --> 01:13:39,215 show it. 1116 01:13:42,326 --> 01:13:43,759 Lift up the sweater. 1117 01:14:06,583 --> 01:14:10,383 Please. Please. Please. 1118 01:14:15,659 --> 01:14:17,957 You made me do that. 1119 01:14:29,606 --> 01:14:33,098 stop the movie Cruising! stop the movie Cruising! 1120 01:14:43,954 --> 01:14:46,422 Gays fight back! 1121 01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:53,193 one movie boldly showed homosexuality... 1122 01:14:53,263 --> 01:14:56,198 as an act of love, not violence. 1123 01:14:56,266 --> 01:14:58,200 so Hollywood had to warn the public. 1124 01:15:09,846 --> 01:15:12,212 This was 1982. 1125 01:15:12,282 --> 01:15:14,512 There hadn't been any gay characters... 1126 01:15:14,584 --> 01:15:16,984 in leading roles. 1127 01:15:17,754 --> 01:15:21,349 okay, the truth is, I have gotten into a lot of different scenes. 1128 01:15:21,425 --> 01:15:23,586 I'm a writer. 1129 01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:26,595 I have to open myself up to new things... 1130 01:15:26,663 --> 01:15:28,824 expand my horizons. 1131 01:15:36,339 --> 01:15:38,534 Why don't you just say it? 1132 01:15:40,343 --> 01:15:42,607 I'm gay. 1133 01:15:42,679 --> 01:15:44,374 Thank you. 1134 01:15:45,382 --> 01:15:47,350 You're welcome. 1135 01:15:47,417 --> 01:15:50,181 It was very hard to cast. 1136 01:15:50,253 --> 01:15:52,619 The men were hard to cast... 1137 01:15:52,689 --> 01:15:56,625 because every one of their advisors... 1138 01:15:56,693 --> 01:15:58,752 both Harry Hamlin and Michael Ontkean... 1139 01:15:58,829 --> 01:16:03,493 told them not to play someone who was gay... 1140 01:16:03,567 --> 01:16:05,501 that it would destroy their careers. 1141 01:16:05,569 --> 01:16:07,503 There was the general perception... 1142 01:16:07,571 --> 01:16:09,539 at least in the early '80s... 1143 01:16:09,606 --> 01:16:15,044 I don't know what it's like now... that Hollywood was a cowboy town. 1144 01:16:15,112 --> 01:16:16,807 A straight cowboy town. 1145 01:16:18,548 --> 01:16:24,145 I am sure that inside of me there is the same homophobia that we all share. 1146 01:16:24,221 --> 01:16:27,952 If I see a guy who's playing a gay role... 1147 01:16:28,024 --> 01:16:32,256 I'll question it and say, "Wow, is he gay?" 1148 01:16:32,329 --> 01:16:35,025 Why I do that, I don't know. 1149 01:16:35,098 --> 01:16:38,898 Then I'll stop and say, "That's silly. You've been there, you've done that." 1150 01:16:38,969 --> 01:16:41,904 The question is, why do we care? 1151 01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:43,906 I mean, who cares? 1152 01:16:48,145 --> 01:16:50,079 I'll do that. 1153 01:16:58,588 --> 01:17:01,079 The ownership of the studio changed hands... 1154 01:17:01,158 --> 01:17:04,525 and a new person came in who was not from the film world... 1155 01:17:04,594 --> 01:17:06,687 nor the intellectual world... 1156 01:17:06,763 --> 01:17:09,129 nor the world of letters and arts... 1157 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:14,865 and I had the unpleasant task... 1158 01:17:14,938 --> 01:17:18,874 of running in the screening room for this man... 1159 01:17:18,942 --> 01:17:21,775 and his lovely wife and daughters... 1160 01:17:21,845 --> 01:17:23,904 the rough cut of the film. 1161 01:17:24,881 --> 01:17:27,509 None of my colleagues would be there. They were all afraid. 1162 01:17:27,584 --> 01:17:29,882 I was there by myself, in the back. 1163 01:17:29,953 --> 01:17:33,389 He was sitting up front in the small screening room. 1164 01:17:36,393 --> 01:17:40,659 He was squirming all during the movie. He just couldn't sit still. 1165 01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:42,823 And at the part in the movie... 1166 01:17:42,899 --> 01:17:45,834 where the two men embrace and kiss... 1167 01:17:45,902 --> 01:17:47,836 he jumped up and said... 1168 01:17:47,904 --> 01:17:49,997 "You made a goddamn faggot movie"... 1169 01:17:50,073 --> 01:17:52,166 and stalked out. 1170 01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:08,624 The day it opened, I happened to be in Miami. 1171 01:18:08,692 --> 01:18:10,626 We sat down, the movie started... 1172 01:18:10,694 --> 01:18:13,219 and as the movie progressed... 1173 01:18:13,296 --> 01:18:16,629 you sensed the audience growing more and more uncomfortable... 1174 01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:18,964 with what was going on the screen. 1175 01:18:20,036 --> 01:18:21,401 It kept escalating. 1176 01:18:22,572 --> 01:18:26,838 When they had the first kiss, it seemed there was an explosion in the theater. 1177 01:18:26,910 --> 01:18:29,640 People panicked. There was pandemonium. 1178 01:18:29,713 --> 01:18:33,945 People started storming up the aisles. At that point, I just left. 1179 01:18:34,017 --> 01:18:35,951 Mainstream people... 1180 01:18:36,019 --> 01:18:38,317 dislike homosexuality... 1181 01:18:38,388 --> 01:18:42,085 because they can't help concentrating... 1182 01:18:42,158 --> 01:18:46,754 on what homosexual men do to one another. 1183 01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:49,993 And when you contemplate what people do... 1184 01:18:50,066 --> 01:18:52,557 you think of yourself doing it... 1185 01:18:52,636 --> 01:18:55,036 and they don't like that. 1186 01:18:55,105 --> 01:18:56,868 That's the famous joke... 1187 01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:59,875 "I don't like peas, and I'm glad I don't... 1188 01:18:59,943 --> 01:19:02,878 because if I liked them I'd eat them, and I hate them." 1189 01:19:17,227 --> 01:19:21,323 There was a time when men were free to express tenderness on the screen. 1190 01:19:25,802 --> 01:19:28,737 But as the world grew more aware of homosexuality... 1191 01:19:28,805 --> 01:19:32,673 male-to-male affection would be seen as an incriminating act. 1192 01:19:35,245 --> 01:19:37,975 A kiss would become an assault... 1193 01:19:38,048 --> 01:19:39,743 or an ugly accusation. 1194 01:19:39,816 --> 01:19:42,751 I'll show you what you're gonna be. 1195 01:19:42,819 --> 01:19:44,753 What you are. 1196 01:19:51,661 --> 01:19:53,629 I'll kill you for that! 1197 01:19:58,335 --> 01:20:01,600 Americans, perhaps, are more scared of their sexuality. 1198 01:20:01,671 --> 01:20:04,606 They're prepared to show violence of all kinds... 1199 01:20:04,674 --> 01:20:07,609 but when it comes to sexuality... 1200 01:20:07,677 --> 01:20:09,838 America is both self-righteous... 1201 01:20:09,913 --> 01:20:14,179 and tries to bury it as if it didn't exist, which is silly. 1202 01:20:15,418 --> 01:20:18,353 Are you all right? 1203 01:20:22,258 --> 01:20:24,818 We had quite an argument about the kiss. 1204 01:20:24,894 --> 01:20:28,955 The screenwriter felt the whole thing should be in silhouetted long shot. 1205 01:20:29,032 --> 01:20:30,761 I said, "No way. 1206 01:20:30,834 --> 01:20:33,064 It should just happen." 1207 01:20:33,903 --> 01:20:35,996 And that's what we did. 1208 01:20:48,051 --> 01:20:53,114 There's a difference in how audiences look at two men getting it on... 1209 01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:55,123 and two women getting it on. 1210 01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:03,230 There's a comfort with female nudity... 1211 01:21:03,299 --> 01:21:07,963 and female girlishness and girly bonding... 1212 01:21:08,037 --> 01:21:12,565 that it can be sexy and it can be completely palatable, even erotic. 1213 01:21:12,642 --> 01:21:14,735 Women don't find it threatening... 1214 01:21:14,811 --> 01:21:18,941 and men find it either completely unthreatening or titillating. 1215 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:25,778 straight men are more uncomfortable with two men making love... 1216 01:21:25,855 --> 01:21:28,187 because somehow that means you're weak... 1217 01:21:28,258 --> 01:21:34,094 and people equate weakness with male sensuality toward other men... 1218 01:21:34,164 --> 01:21:37,224 not realizing that that's a ridiculous theory. 1219 01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,360 That's why people say, "I'm a man"... 1220 01:21:40,437 --> 01:21:45,306 like being a man is based on who you happening to be boning that day. 1221 01:21:49,012 --> 01:21:52,448 In The Color Purple, Celie has fallen in love with Shug. 1222 01:21:54,751 --> 01:21:57,686 They're two women who love each other. 1223 01:22:01,758 --> 01:22:04,318 This intimacy... 1224 01:22:04,394 --> 01:22:05,884 is not about sex. 1225 01:22:05,962 --> 01:22:08,157 I think it's much deeper. 1226 01:22:09,232 --> 01:22:10,722 Let's keep goin'. 1227 01:22:12,035 --> 01:22:13,297 What do you mean? 1228 01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:19,531 It's much easier for audiences to accept 2 women being affectionate than 2 men. 1229 01:22:19,609 --> 01:22:21,543 That's a big, big taboo. 1230 01:22:23,947 --> 01:22:25,346 You sure? 1231 01:22:30,286 --> 01:22:32,015 Hit it. 1232 01:22:43,666 --> 01:22:47,033 But when I put the kiss in at the end of Thelma and Louise... 1233 01:22:47,103 --> 01:22:49,071 that gave people pause. 1234 01:22:49,138 --> 01:22:52,005 I told Geena. I didn�t tell anybody else. 1235 01:22:54,377 --> 01:22:57,813 They were beyond sexuality. It was love. 1236 01:22:57,881 --> 01:23:01,442 If you're about to go off a cliff, I don't think you're gonna make a pass. 1237 01:23:01,518 --> 01:23:03,952 To me, it was a declaration of... 1238 01:23:05,522 --> 01:23:08,457 that they were at a point where they were finishing each other's sentences... 1239 01:23:08,525 --> 01:23:12,427 and they were there for each other in the tradition of Butch Cassidy... 1240 01:23:12,495 --> 01:23:16,431 except that they didn�t get shot down. 1241 01:23:16,499 --> 01:23:18,490 Go. 1242 01:23:20,837 --> 01:23:22,771 Wouldn't that have been great if Butch and Sundance... 1243 01:23:22,839 --> 01:23:25,774 Well, then they would've had more reason to shoot them, I suppose... 1244 01:23:25,842 --> 01:23:29,744 if Butch and the Sundance Kid had kissed at the end. 1245 01:23:29,812 --> 01:23:32,280 But they did what guys do in movies... 1246 01:23:32,348 --> 01:23:35,340 They got their guns out, because they couldn't get their dicks out. 1247 01:23:35,418 --> 01:23:39,354 They got their guns out and went down with their guns. That's what boys do. 1248 01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:46,995 Are you making a pass at me, Mrs. Blaylock? 1249 01:23:49,299 --> 01:23:50,732 Miriam. 1250 01:23:55,138 --> 01:23:57,072 Not that I'm aware of, Sarah. 1251 01:23:57,140 --> 01:24:02,840 Originally, the script was a Playboy version of them getting together. 1252 01:24:02,912 --> 01:24:04,641 It had a lot to do... 1253 01:24:04,714 --> 01:24:06,841 with lingerie and posing. 1254 01:24:06,916 --> 01:24:09,077 There was no real scene. 1255 01:24:09,152 --> 01:24:14,454 And so I said that I really thought that what was sexy... 1256 01:24:14,524 --> 01:24:17,823 would be the first moment the people touch. 1257 01:24:17,894 --> 01:24:21,694 so I came up with the little scene where she spills something on herself... 1258 01:24:21,764 --> 01:24:24,699 she gives her something, they touch that way, they have a kiss... 1259 01:24:24,767 --> 01:24:30,330 and then you go into all of the curtains blowing over their bodies stuff. 1260 01:24:45,388 --> 01:24:48,323 The other thing was, they felt I should be really drunk. 1261 01:24:48,391 --> 01:24:53,055 That was their way of taking away her choice, in a sense. 1262 01:24:53,129 --> 01:24:56,963 I insisted that that not be that way... 1263 01:24:57,033 --> 01:25:02,130 that certainly you wouldn't have to get drunk to bed Catherine Deneuve... 1264 01:25:02,205 --> 01:25:07,575 I don't care what your sexual history to that point had been. 1265 01:25:07,644 --> 01:25:11,080 It was much more interesting if she went voluntarily. 1266 01:25:20,023 --> 01:25:23,254 I don't think, for better or worse... 1267 01:25:23,326 --> 01:25:26,261 that women are taken very seriously in this area. 1268 01:25:26,329 --> 01:25:29,423 I think the feeling is, if two women are together... 1269 01:25:29,499 --> 01:25:32,764 then it's probably experimental or some kind of phase... 1270 01:25:32,835 --> 01:25:35,770 and if the right guy came along that would all change. 1271 01:25:35,838 --> 01:25:40,775 so it's something that straight men can watch and not be threatened by. 1272 01:25:40,843 --> 01:25:44,779 And straight men are the ones that are propelling the industry forward... 1273 01:25:44,847 --> 01:25:46,940 so I don't think it's taken that seriously. 1274 01:25:47,016 --> 01:25:51,453 I suppose when you go to the movies and you see men being affectionate... 1275 01:25:51,521 --> 01:25:54,854 besides the sex, the affection itself... 1276 01:25:54,924 --> 01:25:56,858 is just too much. 1277 01:25:56,926 --> 01:25:59,861 Guys are supposed to be strong and unfeeling. 1278 01:26:36,165 --> 01:26:37,894 I get so angry... 1279 01:26:37,967 --> 01:26:41,403 about what Hollywood will do with an original story or script... 1280 01:26:41,471 --> 01:26:43,405 to get rid of the lesbian element... 1281 01:26:43,473 --> 01:26:47,000 that I feel like standing up in the theater and just shouting. 1282 01:26:47,076 --> 01:26:51,069 These characters are dykes, and this movie isn�t saying so. 1283 01:26:51,147 --> 01:26:55,083 What's your mother gonna say when she sees us both drunk? 1284 01:26:56,252 --> 01:27:00,348 stop worrying about what people think. 1285 01:27:00,423 --> 01:27:02,721 I mean, you've always done the right thing. 1286 01:27:02,792 --> 01:27:05,955 You took care of your daddy, the preacher, when he took sick. 1287 01:27:06,028 --> 01:27:09,122 You take care of all the kids over at the church school. 1288 01:27:09,198 --> 01:27:12,565 You're gonna take care of your mama. 1289 01:27:12,635 --> 01:27:16,594 I know, and I'm gonna marry the man I'm supposed to. 1290 01:27:16,672 --> 01:27:18,333 You're gettin' married? 1291 01:27:18,407 --> 01:27:20,705 As soon as the summer's over. 1292 01:27:20,777 --> 01:27:23,871 The passion that these two women feel for each other... 1293 01:27:23,946 --> 01:27:26,881 was not presented in an open way in the movie. 1294 01:27:26,949 --> 01:27:28,883 I'm gonna miss you. 1295 01:27:28,951 --> 01:27:31,613 It's like somebody's just powdered me with fleas. 1296 01:27:31,687 --> 01:27:35,555 The entire time I'm being irritated that they're not telling the truth. 1297 01:27:42,532 --> 01:27:43,999 Everybody in the business... 1298 01:27:44,066 --> 01:27:48,503 we all get paid more than we should, more than our fathers ever made. 1299 01:27:48,571 --> 01:27:51,438 There's always the fear that... 1300 01:27:51,507 --> 01:27:54,067 they're gonna take it away, so we'd better be... 1301 01:27:54,143 --> 01:27:57,579 And that's why most people in those roles are conservative. 1302 01:27:57,647 --> 01:28:01,014 Most people who run big businesses in America are conservative. 1303 01:28:01,083 --> 01:28:04,917 Most newspaper chains are run by people who are conservative. 1304 01:28:04,987 --> 01:28:09,083 The public is always ahead of us about what they're ready for. 1305 01:28:10,326 --> 01:28:12,260 I think. 1306 01:28:12,328 --> 01:28:16,992 And if you do it well, if you pierce the heart truth... 1307 01:28:17,066 --> 01:28:21,025 of what the public is feeling and thinking, you have a hit. 1308 01:28:27,643 --> 01:28:30,111 There is this constant desire on the part of the studios... 1309 01:28:30,179 --> 01:28:32,113 to make characters likable. 1310 01:28:33,983 --> 01:28:38,181 My screen persona is pretty much non threatening. 1311 01:28:38,254 --> 01:28:42,816 I have never been one to strike fear into anybody's heart... 1312 01:28:42,892 --> 01:28:47,090 when I enter a room or first appear on screen. 1313 01:28:47,163 --> 01:28:51,930 Because of it, then, this idea of a gay man with AlDS is not scary. 1314 01:28:52,001 --> 01:28:54,629 It's something else, but it doesn't have to be scary. 1315 01:28:54,704 --> 01:28:58,037 You don't have to be threatened by this man's presence in it... 1316 01:28:58,107 --> 01:29:01,804 part of it because little Tommy Hanks is playing the role. 1317 01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,812 - What about my blood work? - We're waiting. 1318 01:29:06,883 --> 01:29:10,876 I wanna prep you for a colonoscopy. We want to take a look inside. 1319 01:29:15,791 --> 01:29:17,281 sounds delightful. 1320 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,386 Wait a minute. Why do you need to do this? 1321 01:29:20,463 --> 01:29:21,691 Who are you? 1322 01:29:21,764 --> 01:29:23,561 Who are you, Doctor... 1323 01:29:23,633 --> 01:29:25,863 - This is my partner. - Yeah? 1324 01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:30,637 He keeps records of all my hospital visits. It's nothing personal. 1325 01:29:30,706 --> 01:29:32,765 I'm Dr. Klenstein. 1326 01:29:32,842 --> 01:29:35,868 Listen, you're right. A colonoscopy is not a pleasant procedure. 1327 01:29:35,945 --> 01:29:40,177 But if the Ks is causing the diarrhea, we've got to know about that right away. 1328 01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:43,411 But it could be parasites, an infection. 1329 01:29:43,486 --> 01:29:45,647 A reaction to the AZT. 1330 01:29:45,721 --> 01:29:48,656 All of these are possibilities, but we've got to perform the colonoscopy. 1331 01:29:48,724 --> 01:29:51,090 He's not going through some painful procedure... 1332 01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,958 until we cancel out everything else. 1333 01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:55,725 I'm trying to help your partner. 1334 01:29:55,798 --> 01:29:58,858 - You're not in his immediate family. - I'm not? 1335 01:29:58,935 --> 01:30:01,062 I could have you removed from the ER. 1336 01:30:01,137 --> 01:30:04,129 Look, he's upset. He's sorry. 1337 01:30:04,206 --> 01:30:06,436 Don't apologize for me, okay? 1338 01:30:06,509 --> 01:30:08,500 Okay, he's not sorry. 1339 01:30:08,577 --> 01:30:11,944 The idea that there had to be an audience that wanted to see... 1340 01:30:12,014 --> 01:30:14,812 stories about being gay in America... 1341 01:30:14,884 --> 01:30:18,820 who wanted to see stories about a guy who has Al Ds in America... 1342 01:30:18,888 --> 01:30:23,325 is this almost backward understanding of how it works... 1343 01:30:23,392 --> 01:30:28,227 when you're standing in front of the box office in your local dodecaplex... 1344 01:30:28,297 --> 01:30:31,664 and you have a choice between... "What movie should we see? 1345 01:30:31,734 --> 01:30:36,034 We can see the movie about super spies from outer space, a cow who talks... 1346 01:30:36,105 --> 01:30:40,838 the lawyer who has Al Ds or the big puppet show. 1347 01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:46,405 Well, I guess the lawyer with AlDS. That's the one that's most different." 1348 01:30:46,482 --> 01:30:49,417 Philadelphia was terrific, but I don't think it proves anything. 1349 01:30:49,485 --> 01:30:53,683 It's about a gay hero who dies... 1350 01:30:53,756 --> 01:30:56,486 and who is a tragic figure. 1351 01:30:56,559 --> 01:30:59,790 It remains to be seen whether Hollywood and the general public... 1352 01:30:59,862 --> 01:31:02,592 will embrace a film with a gay hero who lives. 1353 01:31:02,665 --> 01:31:04,963 We felt that we would fail... 1354 01:31:05,034 --> 01:31:07,969 if our movie played to people... 1355 01:31:08,037 --> 01:31:12,201 who already think that discrimination against people with Al Ds is wrong... 1356 01:31:12,274 --> 01:31:14,606 or people who already believe... 1357 01:31:14,677 --> 01:31:17,373 that people shouldn't discriminate against homosexuals. 1358 01:31:17,446 --> 01:31:21,576 If our movie only played to people who thought just like we do... 1359 01:31:21,650 --> 01:31:25,984 we would have done nothing very significant. 1360 01:31:28,924 --> 01:31:33,987 We all end up choosing who we're gonna be in love with the rest of our lives. 1361 01:31:34,063 --> 01:31:36,497 It seems that's what we're all searching for. 1362 01:31:36,565 --> 01:31:38,760 Andy found Miguel, Miguel found Andy. 1363 01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,975 That's a love that is born out of everything that goes into... 1364 01:31:47,043 --> 01:31:48,977 two people deciding to be with each other. 1365 01:31:49,045 --> 01:31:52,481 It's forged through time. It's a constant... the speed of light. 1366 01:31:53,916 --> 01:31:56,111 That's what the movie is saying. 1367 01:31:56,185 --> 01:31:59,916 It is all the same. Love is spelled with the same four letters. 1368 01:32:06,395 --> 01:32:09,853 Readings in school were heterosexual. 1369 01:32:09,932 --> 01:32:12,025 Every movie I saw was heterosexual... 1370 01:32:12,101 --> 01:32:15,002 and I had to do this translation. 1371 01:32:15,071 --> 01:32:19,371 I had to translate it to my life, rather than seeing my life. 1372 01:32:19,442 --> 01:32:21,637 Happy two-week anniversary. 1373 01:32:23,712 --> 01:32:26,306 Oh, Ed, you remembered. 1374 01:32:26,382 --> 01:32:29,317 Which is why, when people say to me... 1375 01:32:29,385 --> 01:32:32,320 "Your work is not really gay work, it's universal"... 1376 01:32:32,388 --> 01:32:34,822 I say, "Up yours. It's gay. 1377 01:32:34,890 --> 01:32:40,055 That you can take it and translate it for your own life is very nice... 1378 01:32:40,129 --> 01:32:43,394 but at last I don't have to do the translating... you do." 1379 01:32:53,876 --> 01:32:56,504 The long silence is finally ending. 1380 01:32:57,580 --> 01:32:59,514 New voices have emerged. 1381 01:32:59,582 --> 01:33:02,016 open and unapologetic. 1382 01:33:05,121 --> 01:33:07,316 They tell stories that have never been told... 1383 01:33:07,389 --> 01:33:09,914 about people who have always been there. 1384 01:33:11,260 --> 01:33:14,957 We're victims of the sexual revolution. 1385 01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:19,330 The previous generation had all the fun, and we get to pick up the fucking tab. 1386 01:33:21,337 --> 01:33:23,328 Movies are important and they're dangerous... 1387 01:33:23,405 --> 01:33:27,739 because it's, you know, we're the keeper of the dreams. 1388 01:33:27,810 --> 01:33:31,746 You go into a little, dark room... 1389 01:33:31,814 --> 01:33:33,247 and become incredibly vulnerable. 1390 01:33:33,315 --> 01:33:36,614 All your perspectives can be challenged. 1391 01:33:36,685 --> 01:33:40,143 You feel things you normally couldn�t. 1392 01:33:40,222 --> 01:33:41,553 It can encourage you... 1393 01:33:41,624 --> 01:33:44,684 to be the protagonist in your own life. 1394 01:33:51,534 --> 01:33:54,970 on the other hand, it can completely misshape you. 1395 01:33:57,039 --> 01:34:01,772 There's been an incredible era of censorship... 1396 01:34:01,844 --> 01:34:04,779 of, I wouldn't say positive images of gays and lesbians. 1397 01:34:04,847 --> 01:34:07,782 I would say real images of gays and lesbians. 1398 01:34:07,850 --> 01:34:10,148 Think of all the heroic stories that are real. 1399 01:34:11,754 --> 01:34:15,986 Here gay and lesbian people have lived... 1400 01:34:16,058 --> 01:34:19,824 braving ostracism, loving, surviving. 1401 01:34:19,895 --> 01:34:23,729 There are so many real heroic stories. 1402 01:34:27,303 --> 01:34:29,294 - Your parents know you're gay? - Sure. 1403 01:34:29,371 --> 01:34:31,305 Told 'em when I was 16. 1404 01:34:31,373 --> 01:34:33,034 sixteen? 1405 01:34:33,108 --> 01:34:36,373 I had a boyfriend in high school. They freaked. 1406 01:34:36,445 --> 01:34:38,709 You know, the usual bullshit. 1407 01:34:38,781 --> 01:34:42,217 "How could you choose this kind of lifestyle, Peter?" 1408 01:34:42,284 --> 01:34:44,309 I said, "Hey, it chose me." 1409 01:34:44,386 --> 01:34:47,378 I want you to get dressed and leave. 1410 01:34:47,456 --> 01:34:50,118 - No, you don't. - Yes, I do. 1411 01:34:50,192 --> 01:34:51,921 No, you don't. 1412 01:34:53,162 --> 01:34:55,096 I wouldn't know what to do. 1413 01:34:56,599 --> 01:35:00,126 You can start by putting the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door. 1414 01:35:01,303 --> 01:35:04,830 Hollywood still runs scared from people... 1415 01:35:04,907 --> 01:35:08,399 who feel that the very mention of homosexuality... 1416 01:35:08,477 --> 01:35:12,140 the very display of it, in some form, on the screen... 1417 01:35:12,214 --> 01:35:14,148 legitimizes the subject. 1418 01:35:14,216 --> 01:35:17,879 Well, of course it does. It shows that homosexuals are human beings. 1419 01:35:20,055 --> 01:35:23,388 The movies could be making us laugh a lot more and cry a lot more... 1420 01:35:23,459 --> 01:35:27,589 if they would actually acknowledge the true diversity of humanity. 1421 01:35:27,663 --> 01:35:31,793 - Not fair. You've been in love a bunch. - Just once, really. 1422 01:35:31,867 --> 01:35:33,801 Now he's gone, right? 1423 01:35:33,869 --> 01:35:35,302 He's right here. 1424 01:35:43,579 --> 01:35:44,671 I love you. 1425 01:35:44,747 --> 01:35:46,715 I love you too. 118203

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