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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,980 --> 00:00:07,930 BROOKE TAYLOR: All of these people 2 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:09,890 are looking to me to tell them what to do. 3 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:13,470 I don't know what to tell them! 4 00:00:15,220 --> 00:00:16,680 Are you gonna take care of me? 5 00:00:34,270 --> 00:00:35,850 LINDA O'DELL: It was a Friday night after 1:00. 6 00:00:35,930 --> 00:00:38,220 GAY HARDWICK: We were awakened by a bright light. 7 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:40,930 FIONA WILLIAMS: And the only thing you can see is his silhouette. 8 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,770 KRIS PEDRETTI: Then he said, "Don't move or I'll kill you." 9 00:00:44,730 --> 00:00:47,060 PATTON OSWALT: Patton Oswalt sitting here with Michelle McNamara. 10 00:00:47,140 --> 00:00:50,310 My wife, who's the writer of one of the best written crime blogs. 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,060 You know, everyone has their cause, 12 00:00:52,140 --> 00:00:54,640 and this just feels like what I was born to do. 13 00:00:54,730 --> 00:00:57,350 SPEAKER: Michelle came up with the name "Golden State Killer" 14 00:00:57,430 --> 00:00:59,220 'cause he terrorized up and down the state. 15 00:00:59,310 --> 00:01:01,520 SPEAKER 2: He raped over 50 women in California 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,890 and killed ten people. 17 00:01:03,180 --> 00:01:05,470 She wanted to get this guy caught. 18 00:01:05,810 --> 00:01:08,310 Frankly, it should be solved. I mean, it just should be. 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,430 In the true crime community, her death was unbelievable. 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,470 OFFICER: Although she never had a badge and a gun, 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,100 Michelle always was and always will be one of us, 22 00:01:17,180 --> 00:01:19,680 and I have every belief that through her work, 23 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:20,680 this will be solved. 24 00:01:21,220 --> 00:01:23,430 PROSECUTOR: He's been called the Original Night Stalker 25 00:01:24,220 --> 00:01:25,640 and the Golden State Killer. 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,890 Today, it's our pleasure to call him defendant. 27 00:01:30,350 --> 00:01:32,930 I wish you were pointing that camera at Michelle right now. 28 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:34,350 She got him. 29 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:53,220 (RAIN PATTERING) 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,980 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: I handled my first crime scene evidence 31 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:58,560 the summer I was 14. 32 00:02:00,270 --> 00:02:04,100 Specifically, broken pieces from a yellow Walkman. 33 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:06,520 A Walkman that 48 hours earlier 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,060 had been in the ears of Kathy Lombardo. 35 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:11,640 She'd been jogging a block and a half 36 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:13,640 from her family's house, and a man's hands 37 00:02:13,730 --> 00:02:15,680 shot forth suddenly in the darkness. 38 00:02:15,770 --> 00:02:17,560 (KATHY LOMBARDO PANTING) 39 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:19,060 MICHELLE: There was the shock of his hands 40 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:22,060 and the brutal force with which he brought her down, 41 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:24,060 -dragging her into the alley... -(GARBAGE CANS CLATTERING) 42 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:26,180 ...slamming her into the garbage cans, 43 00:02:26,270 --> 00:02:27,890 where he raped Kathy, 44 00:02:27,980 --> 00:02:32,100 stabbed her, slit her throat, then disappeared. 45 00:02:34,140 --> 00:02:36,810 Never again would I tune out when the words "homicide" 46 00:02:36,890 --> 00:02:38,770 or "missing," or "mystery" came on the news. 47 00:02:38,850 --> 00:02:40,140 REPORTER 1: The mystery surrounding 48 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:41,980 the so-called Golden State Killer 49 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:44,310 responsible for a slew of murders and rapes... 50 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:47,770 MICHELLE: He's the worst serial offender in modern history. 51 00:02:47,850 --> 00:02:51,220 And it really seems to me that, frankly, it should be solved. 52 00:02:51,310 --> 00:02:53,350 I mean, it just should be. 53 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:56,600 I felt, in the truest sense of the word, gripped. 54 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,810 Like an unseen force had locked onto me, 55 00:02:59,890 --> 00:03:01,730 refusing to let go. 56 00:03:01,810 --> 00:03:04,770 REPORTER 2: We found the needle in the haystack. 57 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,430 MICHELLE: I had a murder habit, and it was bad. 58 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,730 I would feed it for the rest of my life. 59 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:28,560 ♪ Well I stepped Into an avalanche ♪ 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,180 ♪ It covered up my soul ♪ 61 00:03:35,470 --> 00:03:40,560 ♪ When I am not this hunchback That you see ♪ 62 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,810 ♪ I sleep beneath The golden hill ♪ 63 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:50,060 ♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪ 64 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:55,980 ♪ You must learn Learn to serve me well ♪ 65 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:44,600 REPORTER 3: The sentencing hearing has begun 66 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,980 for convicted East Area Rapist and the Golden State Killer, 67 00:04:48,060 --> 00:04:49,560 Joseph DeAngelo. 68 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,430 The man who terrorized California 69 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,060 in a series of rapes and murders lasting a decade. 70 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:58,310 Because of the sheer number of crimes, 71 00:04:58,390 --> 00:05:02,600 his sentencing will take place over the course of four days. 72 00:05:22,470 --> 00:05:23,560 All rise. 73 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,850 Department 24 of the Superior Court of California 74 00:05:28,930 --> 00:05:31,680 in and for the County of Sacramento is in session. 75 00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:35,390 The Honorable Michael Bowman, Judge, presiding. 76 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:41,430 The People's State of California versus Joseph James DeAngelo. 77 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,560 Is that your true and correct name, sir? 78 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:50,810 MICHAEL BOWMAN: Is that your true name, sir? 79 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,850 Yes, Your Honor. 80 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:56,730 BOWMAN: Thank you. Mr. DeAngelo, do you have any questions 81 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:58,310 before we proceed further? 82 00:06:02,470 --> 00:06:04,770 -JOSEPH DEANGELO: No. -BOWMAN: Thank you. 83 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:08,560 GAY HARDWICK: For over 40 years, 84 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:12,060 I would be reminded by my brain 85 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:14,980 that it had been okay 86 00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:17,850 for someone to come into my home 87 00:06:17,930 --> 00:06:19,850 and to... 88 00:06:21,270 --> 00:06:25,140 ...wreak havoc on my body and my mind 89 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:31,060 and my relationship and cause a lifelong pain. 90 00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:33,850 And that there was no justice. 91 00:06:35,180 --> 00:06:37,220 BOB HARDWICK: When I sat in that room 92 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:39,140 with all the victims, 93 00:06:39,220 --> 00:06:43,350 I just-- I just listen. I was just, "God dang." 94 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:48,140 Uh, it really got me, and I'm pretty stoic. (CHUCKLES) 95 00:06:48,220 --> 00:06:50,600 -I think he used the term "horrified." -It was just-- 96 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,810 -I was-- -He was horrified. 97 00:06:51,890 --> 00:06:54,770 I was horrified that this guy did so much 98 00:06:54,850 --> 00:06:58,180 to so many people. It really hit me home. 99 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,020 GAY: The 50 sexual assaults... 100 00:07:03,350 --> 00:07:05,020 13 murders... 101 00:07:07,390 --> 00:07:10,390 and it was so wrong that he was living 102 00:07:10,470 --> 00:07:12,640 and hiding amongst us somewhere. 103 00:07:14,850 --> 00:07:19,850 But today, I don't need to worry about it anymore. 104 00:07:21,060 --> 00:07:22,930 ANNE MARIE SCHUBERT: Many people have asked 105 00:07:23,020 --> 00:07:24,270 and wondered, 106 00:07:24,350 --> 00:07:27,390 -really, who is Joseph DeAngelo? -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 107 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:31,640 Is he a feeble, old, 74-year-old man? 108 00:07:32,850 --> 00:07:34,980 Is he psychologically impaired? 109 00:07:36,180 --> 00:07:37,850 Is he physically impaired? 110 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,680 Is he even competent to stand trial 111 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:43,600 when he rolled in in a wheelchair? 112 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:48,980 The truth of who Joseph DeAngelo is 113 00:07:49,060 --> 00:07:53,390 lies not just in what happened in the courthouse... 114 00:07:53,470 --> 00:07:55,850 but what has happened in his jail cell. 115 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:04,220 Think back on the crimes that he committed. 116 00:08:04,310 --> 00:08:07,270 Think back what he did to shadow the light. 117 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,850 You can see that Joseph DeAngelo is no different today 118 00:08:16,930 --> 00:08:18,930 than he was 45 years ago. 119 00:08:21,020 --> 00:08:22,680 And the answer to those questions 120 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:25,140 that so many people have wondered 121 00:08:25,220 --> 00:08:27,930 lies within the definition of a sociopath. 122 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:34,520 A sociopath is a person who lies, 123 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,980 deceives, and manipulates others 124 00:08:38,060 --> 00:08:40,390 for no other reason than personal gain. 125 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:44,020 He's not a feeble old man. 126 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:47,600 He has, and always will, be... 127 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:50,310 a sociopath in action. 128 00:08:52,220 --> 00:08:54,640 THIEN HO: While sitting alone in the interview room 129 00:08:54,730 --> 00:08:56,560 on April the 24th, 2018, 130 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,890 Joseph DeAngelo began to talk to himself. 131 00:09:00,890 --> 00:09:03,430 And he feigned feeble incoherence. 132 00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:06,600 And, among other things, said... 133 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:10,310 "I didn't wanna do those things, but Jerry made me. 134 00:09:10,390 --> 00:09:12,730 I didn't have the strength to push him out. 135 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:17,060 He went with me. It was like in my head he's a part of me. 136 00:09:17,140 --> 00:09:20,560 I pushed Jerry out and had a happy life. 137 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,020 I've destroyed all their lives, 138 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:26,850 so now I gotta pay the price." 139 00:09:28,140 --> 00:09:31,640 This investigation uncovered that he just pretended 140 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:34,350 to act crazy to avoid getting in trouble. 141 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:40,770 (NOTIFICATIONS PING) 142 00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:55,220 MICHELLE: I've been obsessed with the East Area Rapist 143 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:58,850 and the Original Night Stalker for years. 144 00:09:58,930 --> 00:10:00,730 INTERVIEWER: So to keep the one guy straight, 145 00:10:00,810 --> 00:10:02,680 you renamed him "the Golden State Killer?" 146 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:04,850 INTERVIEWER: Yeah, that was something I came up with 147 00:10:04,930 --> 00:10:08,060 just because he kind of snaked his way down the state. 148 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,890 Most people, I guess, who get lost in the forest 149 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:16,890 die because they won't change direction. 150 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:19,810 I understand that because I've now committed myself 151 00:10:19,890 --> 00:10:21,640 -so much to this guy... -(INTERVIEWER LAUGHING) 152 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:23,310 ...it can't be that I don't find him. Like-- 153 00:10:23,390 --> 00:10:26,470 -INTERVIEWER: Right. -He's taken over my life. 154 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,390 REPORTER 4: Until her death, crime writer Michelle McNamara 155 00:10:29,470 --> 00:10:32,980 was obsessed with the Golden State Killer case. 156 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:37,560 The Oak Park native wrote the book I'll Be Gone in the Dark. 157 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,730 McNamara's book sparked renewed interest in this case. 158 00:10:46,060 --> 00:10:49,270 MICHELLE: Violent men unknown to me... 159 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:52,890 have occupied my mind all my adult life. 160 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:02,980 I'm envious of people obsessed with the Civil War, 161 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:05,770 which brims with details but is contained. 162 00:11:05,850 --> 00:11:08,520 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 163 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,430 MICHELLE: In my case, the monsters recede 164 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,100 but never vanish. 165 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,980 They are long dead and being born as I write. 166 00:11:20,730 --> 00:11:24,890 The first one, faceless and never caught... 167 00:11:27,060 --> 00:11:29,600 marked me at 14. 168 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:36,930 -♪ (MARCHING BAND PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 169 00:11:37,020 --> 00:11:38,680 REPORTER 5: The village of Oak Park, Illinois, 170 00:11:38,770 --> 00:11:41,140 a town of stately trees and big homes, 171 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:44,020 where Ernest Hemingway and Frank Lloyd Wright once lived, 172 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:47,470 was declared to be an All-America City. 173 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,470 MICHELLE: We lived in Oak Park, just west of Chicago. 174 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,020 And by the 1980s, Oak Park had a reputation 175 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:56,470 for a kind of privileged liberalism, 176 00:11:57,310 --> 00:11:59,770 progressive at a remove. 177 00:11:59,850 --> 00:12:03,270 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -(CROWD CHEERING) 178 00:12:03,350 --> 00:12:05,180 MICHELLE: It was August 1984. 179 00:12:05,270 --> 00:12:07,890 Corey Hart's "Sunglasses At Night" was everywhere. 180 00:12:11,310 --> 00:12:13,930 Kathy Lombardo probably wasn't into "Sunglasses At Night." 181 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:17,220 She was more likely a "Stuck On You" kind of person. 182 00:12:18,810 --> 00:12:21,390 Maybe she'd been listening to it when the moment occurred. 183 00:12:21,470 --> 00:12:24,020 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 184 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,270 The moment that led to my furtive handling 185 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:28,810 of her broken Walkman. 186 00:12:30,310 --> 00:12:31,930 REPORTER 6: Kathy was covered in blood, 187 00:12:32,020 --> 00:12:34,310 stabbed in the neck, chest, and, abdomen, 188 00:12:34,390 --> 00:12:36,640 and she had been sexually assaulted. 189 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:42,270 MICHELLE: I remember knowing just from the way 190 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:44,600 my mother and sister stood looking out the second-floor window 191 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,390 that something terrible had happened. 192 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,850 Terrible things never happened. 193 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:56,850 -RALPH: I'm Ralph. -MICHELLE: Hi, I'm Michelle. 194 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:57,980 -RALPH: Michelle. -MICHELLE: Yes. 195 00:12:58,060 --> 00:13:00,180 -(DOOR CLOSES) -RALPH: Okay. Have a seat. 196 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:06,310 MICHELLE: Kathleen's murder had a big impact on me. 197 00:13:06,390 --> 00:13:08,980 But it wasn't until I returned home recently 198 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:12,350 that I really looked into how it was investigated 199 00:13:12,430 --> 00:13:13,770 and what happened. 200 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:17,140 MICHELLE: I just was trying to get, you know, 201 00:13:17,220 --> 00:13:18,930 to talk to local people and stuff like that... 202 00:13:19,020 --> 00:13:21,430 -NEIGHBOR: Uh-huh. -...and I was just wondering if I could chat with you 203 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,980 -for a second or two? -NEIGHBOR: Nope. 204 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,140 MICHELLE: Sometimes it takes a little heat 205 00:13:26,220 --> 00:13:30,430 from a writer or a reporter, and I'm happy to be that person. 206 00:13:31,730 --> 00:13:33,640 What an amazing thing it would be 207 00:13:33,730 --> 00:13:35,680 to have closure for the family. 208 00:13:37,890 --> 00:13:41,310 I hope to interview her brother Christopher soon. 209 00:13:41,390 --> 00:13:44,520 (PAPERS RUSTLING) 210 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:57,100 This is one of the last pictures I have of my sister 211 00:13:57,180 --> 00:13:59,180 and how she looked at the time of her death. 212 00:13:59,270 --> 00:14:00,890 She had short hair. 213 00:14:02,810 --> 00:14:04,140 She was a sweet girl. 214 00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:10,100 I remember distinctly that night. 215 00:14:10,890 --> 00:14:13,350 The phone rang, I picked it up, 216 00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:15,810 and my mother screamed into the phone, 217 00:14:15,890 --> 00:14:18,520 "Your sister was murdered tonight." 218 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,220 And then she just started crying. 219 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:28,850 There's, there's no-- There's, you know-- 220 00:14:28,930 --> 00:14:31,060 You don't plan for things like that. 221 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:37,390 She had a job that she could support herself on. 222 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:41,390 This is my sister's, uh, Marshall Field's credit card. 223 00:14:41,470 --> 00:14:43,140 Marshall Field's was the department store 224 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:44,680 that she worked for. 225 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,520 And she had just started to live her life. 226 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,430 And then this happened. 227 00:14:58,810 --> 00:15:00,470 I don't like the idea of anyone 228 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,350 committing a crime like this and then just walking away. 229 00:15:04,810 --> 00:15:08,770 I have tried to advance an answer to this question, 230 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:13,640 who killed Kathy, many times over the past 30 years. 231 00:15:15,810 --> 00:15:18,890 After I read Michelle's book... 232 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:23,930 I was really surprised at how much about Kathy's murder 233 00:15:24,020 --> 00:15:25,060 was in the book, 234 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:28,430 the level of detail about Michelle's contacts 235 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,680 with the teenagers who found her body. 236 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:35,520 MICHELLE: Walking back into my childhood. 237 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,180 Crunch as our shoes hit the ground. 238 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:43,100 Tom was a year below me at St. Edmonds 239 00:15:43,180 --> 00:15:46,770 and was one of the boys who found Kathy's body. 240 00:15:46,850 --> 00:15:49,350 I know very little about him, aside from that 241 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:54,390 the same night in August 1984 changed both of our lives. 242 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:56,270 MICHELLE: 243 00:15:56,350 --> 00:15:57,890 Yeah, yeah. 244 00:15:57,980 --> 00:16:00,060 Yeah. Sure, that's fine. 245 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,140 There were five of us all in a row 246 00:16:03,220 --> 00:16:06,020 just kind of walking up the alley, um... 247 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:09,270 you know, getting ready to get a Slurpee or something 248 00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:11,810 at the-- at the White Hen. 249 00:16:11,890 --> 00:16:14,560 You know, as you get in here, you're kind of surrounded 250 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,600 by these garages around you. 251 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,850 Uh, and then there's gangways in between. 252 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:21,930 Usually on any given Friday night, 253 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:23,980 there were 30, 40 kids in the neighborhood playing around, 254 00:16:24,060 --> 00:16:25,560 but that night there was just five of us, 255 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,430 and we came walking up the alley here. 256 00:16:30,060 --> 00:16:31,890 In the summertime, it was a grass patch here 257 00:16:31,980 --> 00:16:34,470 and a grass patch here and the big trees, 258 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,100 you know, making veritable tunnels. 259 00:16:38,890 --> 00:16:41,390 As we got up, uh, through here, 260 00:16:42,140 --> 00:16:43,270 there's the light, 261 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:46,430 and so it cast a dark shadow right across here. 262 00:16:48,770 --> 00:16:51,890 Um... Then as we came through, 263 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:54,020 uh, that's when we came across here, 264 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,140 and my brother kind of losing it and saying, 265 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:58,850 "Holy shit, holy shit." 266 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:02,930 And that's... that's where we found her. 267 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:09,310 Then I noticed that... 268 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:11,020 that something was happening on her neck. 269 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:14,350 And you could see, I could see her face, and it... 270 00:17:14,430 --> 00:17:18,100 it was someone who was alive, and that's what I can't... 271 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:22,520 And I remember saying, "Hey, we need to get some help. 272 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,890 We need some adults." 273 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:26,730 That's when Dan decided to run, uh, to the house over there 274 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:29,560 and I decided to go up the alleyway to the White Hen. 275 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,220 REPORTER 7: Last night, somebody grabbed 276 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:32,730 the 24-year-old Oak Park woman 277 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:34,390 in an alley, probably from behind, 278 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:36,930 stabbed her in the heart, and slashed her throat. 279 00:17:37,020 --> 00:17:39,980 Police say she was probably sexually attacked as well. 280 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:42,680 She was found just after ten o'clock by two youths 281 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:45,850 who called a neighbor to the scene. 282 00:17:45,930 --> 00:17:48,850 -KIM KNEBEL: We're in the house, and... 283 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:51,310 I'm playing with my oldest son... 284 00:17:52,350 --> 00:17:56,060 when two boys came running to the door 285 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:58,770 and told me somebody was hurt in the alley. 286 00:18:00,060 --> 00:18:02,180 And I went running over there. 287 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:07,180 By the time I had gotten there... 288 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:09,020 it was too late. 289 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:11,680 I got there and went to reach down 290 00:18:11,770 --> 00:18:14,730 to check her carotid pulse, 291 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:17,640 and her throat was slit open. 292 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:21,640 TOM: By the time I came back, the neighbor was there 293 00:18:21,730 --> 00:18:23,770 and he was holding his hand on her neck. 294 00:18:23,850 --> 00:18:27,310 And I was just kind of taking it in. 295 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:30,810 KIM: She was turning pale fast, and, uh... 296 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,640 she was dead. 297 00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:41,640 TOM: I remember that night and seeing her face. Um... 298 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:43,930 And I could see light in her eyes, 299 00:18:44,020 --> 00:18:46,770 and I think it was just the reflection... 300 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:48,430 of the streetlight. 301 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:52,430 And then it was just gone. 302 00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:01,140 MICHELLE: But then who else was attacked? 303 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:02,310 Was it someone our age? 304 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:05,140 TOM: Yeah, so just a block over, uh, 305 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:06,390 from where we're at. 306 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:08,640 A block over and just on the other side of the street 307 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:10,560 is where Grace Puccetti was attacked. 308 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,640 MICHELLE: Yeah. 309 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:13,850 I'll-- I'll maybe track her down. Yeah. 310 00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:23,020 Do either of you know an Oak Park woman 311 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:24,560 named Grace Puccetti? 312 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:30,930 I'm asking because she was involved 313 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:32,680 in a very similar incident 314 00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:35,020 to what happened to Kathy Lombardo, 315 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,850 but about a year or two before, 316 00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:40,520 only about a half a block away. 317 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:52,770 GRACE PUCCETTI: When I was a teenager, I liked to dance. 318 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:56,680 I really liked the technical aspect of it, 319 00:19:56,770 --> 00:19:58,140 you know, the details. 320 00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:05,100 It was December 8th. 321 00:20:05,180 --> 00:20:07,730 I was coming out of ballet. 322 00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:10,520 My mother had given me 20 dollars, 323 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,350 and she was like, "Go buy some Christmas lights." 324 00:20:15,930 --> 00:20:17,890 I was walking home, 325 00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:22,020 and then I turned and went down Pleasant Street. 326 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:32,060 I could kind of sense that someone was nearby. 327 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:37,020 I kept thinking, "Okay, well, it seems like 328 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,430 the person's walking a little faster." 329 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,810 And you can sense when someone's there. 330 00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:47,470 But it just seemed that... "I'm almost home. 331 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,180 I'm half a block from my house. 332 00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:51,850 Nothing's gonna happen." 333 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,560 And then someone appeared next to me 334 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,680 and asked me how I'm doing. 335 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:05,520 I turned to the right, 336 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,430 and out of the corner of this eye, 337 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,640 I saw a knife pull up. 338 00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:13,020 And he had grabbed me with a knife 339 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,850 and pulled me into the alley. 340 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,180 He smelled like cigarettes... 341 00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:24,560 and malt liquor. 342 00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:28,560 Then he proceeded to tell me to... 343 00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:30,520 um... 344 00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:34,180 pull down my pants. 345 00:21:38,890 --> 00:21:42,180 And I'm like, "I-- I can't, I'm wearing a leotard." 346 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:47,220 And then he didn't understand what a leotard is, 347 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:51,390 so then I was trying to explain what a leotard was, 348 00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:55,220 and then he was just getting madder and madder. 349 00:21:56,850 --> 00:21:58,470 Just constantly saying, 350 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,180 "Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up." 351 00:22:03,310 --> 00:22:07,180 Then he finally said, "I'm not going to hurt you." 352 00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:13,810 I could feel, as he's saying that, 353 00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:17,270 the knife... going into my throat. 354 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:28,020 Next thing I knew, I was laying on my back, 355 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,600 staring at the sky... 356 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:35,390 thinking, "That's it." 357 00:22:41,770 --> 00:22:46,350 But then I realized my house is four doors away, 358 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:49,270 and I thought, "If I'm gonna die, 359 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:51,310 I'm gonna die at my own house." 360 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:53,430 So I got up... 361 00:22:55,060 --> 00:22:58,220 and stumbled my way down the alley 362 00:22:58,310 --> 00:23:00,350 and went to the back door. 363 00:23:01,470 --> 00:23:04,020 My dad came to the door and was just in shock. 364 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:07,980 And I just laid on the floor... 365 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:12,350 and waited for the paramedics to arrive. 366 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:20,680 When I got home from the hospital, 367 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:24,310 my mother had made sure that no one really talked about it. 368 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:27,810 Because, as she saw it, 369 00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:30,220 with anyone who's attacked, 370 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:35,270 the victim becomes another victim of the system. 371 00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:39,140 So she didn't want that to happen. 372 00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:43,270 And I don't know, in a way, I thought, 373 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:46,270 "You know what? She's right." You know, is it worth it? 374 00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:51,390 Is-- is-- is it worth it to relive it 375 00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:55,180 and to pursue something 376 00:23:55,930 --> 00:23:59,100 that you might never win? 377 00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:06,060 MICHELLE: Eventually, the case report 378 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:09,060 is put in a file, in a box, 379 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,020 then in a room. 380 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,930 The door is shut. 381 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:18,930 Yellowing of paper and fading of memory commence. 382 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,020 What happened to them is buried, 383 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,560 bright and unmoving, 384 00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:27,600 a coin at the bottom of a pool. 385 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:33,350 KRIS PEDRETTI: When an assault happens... 386 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,470 your whole world kind of crashes down on you. 387 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,890 I think it's very normal to go inward. 388 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,430 For so many years, that's what I did. 389 00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:47,390 But what I've learned is that 390 00:24:47,470 --> 00:24:50,770 you can't heal unless you can talk about it. 391 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,770 Acknowledgement goes a long way. 392 00:24:55,770 --> 00:24:57,890 REPORTER 8: Today, 74-year-old Joseph DeAngelo 393 00:24:57,980 --> 00:25:00,980 will sit and hear from more than two dozen women survivors 394 00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:02,640 he terrorized in Northern California. 395 00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:04,600 REPORTER 9: This is the day they've been waiting for 396 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,310 since this all started decades ago. 397 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:08,270 All survivors and families of the murder victims 398 00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:10,270 are expected to be here as well. 399 00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:13,430 KRIS: Obviously, he was gonna be charged 400 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,640 with the murders. 401 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:18,350 But for the majority of the rape survivors... 402 00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:21,560 the statute of limitations was three years. 403 00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:26,560 So when he was captured, 404 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,600 there was nothing that they could charge him with 405 00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:31,810 in our rapes. 406 00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:34,730 And so once we found out that there was the possibility 407 00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:36,100 of a plea agreement, 408 00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:39,520 we wanted to be heard. 409 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,680 We wanted him to acknowledge not just the people 410 00:25:42,770 --> 00:25:44,390 that had charges against him, 411 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:48,770 but all the many of the women that he, um... 412 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:53,640 raped and assaulted and terrorized. 413 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,470 So part of the plea agreement 414 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,890 was that he was going to admit to everything. 415 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:05,930 BAILIFF: Please remain seated and come to order. 416 00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:07,220 Court is back in session. 417 00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:08,850 BOWMAN: Thank you. We're back on the record 418 00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:10,680 in the DeAngelo matter. 419 00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:12,850 Mr. DeAngelo's present with counsel. 420 00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:14,350 This is the time we've scheduled 421 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:16,680 to hear from the victims and victims' family. 422 00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:19,520 As a reminder for those speaking, 423 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,100 you've waited a long time to be heard. 424 00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:25,890 There's no reason to rush, so you take your time. 425 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:28,100 I wanna hear every word that you have to say, 426 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:30,850 and I wanna make sure we have an accurate record, as well. 427 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:33,730 Is there any victim or victim's family member 428 00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,350 that wishes to be heard at this time? 429 00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,310 -KRIS: Yes, Your Honor. -BOWMAN: Thank you. 430 00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:40,600 My name is Kris Pedretti. 431 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,470 And thank you for allowing me to share the impact 432 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,640 that Joseph James DeAngelo had on me 433 00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:49,310 the night he raped and threatened constantly to kill me. 434 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:52,730 I was a normal 15-year-old kid. 435 00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:55,600 My safety was shattered as a masked man, 436 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,730 DeAngelo, yielding a knife, 437 00:26:58,810 --> 00:27:02,520 told me he would kill me if I didn't do what he demanded. 438 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,310 DeAngelo stole my formative years. 439 00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:10,730 He stole my youth, my innocence, 440 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,560 my faith, and my trust. 441 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:18,020 Who could I have grown up to be? 442 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:20,560 I guess I'll never know. 443 00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:24,060 BOWMAN: Regarding the uncharged offense of rape, 444 00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:25,470 of making a criminal threat, 445 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,980 and the false imprisonment of Jane Doe number 24, 446 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:31,730 do you admit or deny that? 447 00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:35,100 I admit. 448 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,980 GAY: While living in the first home 449 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:40,220 my husband and I purchased together, 450 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:45,810 where we had so much hope for our future... 451 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,470 ...on March 18th, 1978, 452 00:27:56,430 --> 00:28:00,140 Joe DeAngelo attacked us while we were sleeping. 453 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,020 BOWMAN: Regarding the uncharged offense 454 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:05,980 of kidnapping to commit robbery, false imprisonment, 455 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:07,730 making a criminal threat, 456 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:10,390 and the rape of Jane Doe number 39, 457 00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:11,890 do you admit or deny that? 458 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,810 JOSEPH: I admit. 459 00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:18,310 LINDA O'DELL: My date is May 14th, 1977. 460 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,180 Today is for my granddaughter 461 00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:23,810 because I wanna teach her to be brave and strong. 462 00:28:24,730 --> 00:28:26,140 And it's for my family and friends 463 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:27,430 that have stood by me. 464 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,560 BOWMAN: Regarding count 18 465 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,890 and the charged offense of false imprisonment, 466 00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:32,770 kidnapping with intent to commit robbery, 467 00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:35,890 making a criminal threat, and the rape of Jane Doe 5, 468 00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:37,890 -do you admit or deny that? -JOSEPH: I admit. 469 00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:40,220 Regarding the uncharged offense of rape 470 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:42,310 -of Jane Doe number 7... -JOSEPH: I admit. 471 00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:44,850 ...Jane Doe number 8, Jane Doe number 14, 472 00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:47,310 Jane Doe number 26, Jane Doe number 31, 473 00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:49,640 -Jane Doe number 50... -JOSEPH: I admit. 474 00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:52,180 I want to especially thank a friend 475 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:56,390 that's accompanying me today, Bonnie. 476 00:28:56,470 --> 00:29:01,270 Even a gun pointed at her face could not make her choose you. 477 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,730 BOWMAN: In the charge of murder of Charlene Smith 478 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:08,060 and the charge of murder of Lyman Smith, 479 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:09,600 how do you plead? 480 00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:12,060 JOSEPH: Guilty. 481 00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:15,140 DEBBI DOMINGO: After my mother's murder... 482 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:18,560 I had stumbled into drug use, 483 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,100 and that started a fast downward spiral. 484 00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:25,600 If I had my way, Joseph James DeAngelo 485 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,350 would be shivering, blindfolded, 486 00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:32,930 naked and exposed every moment from now on. 487 00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:34,270 BOB: Four nights a week, 488 00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:36,850 he can be awakened by masked inmates. 489 00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:39,470 His attackers would repeatedly rape him 490 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,060 like these women were raped. 491 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:44,680 I would want Mr. DeAngelo to suffer 492 00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:46,060 for the rest of his life, 493 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:48,220 like my wife has suffered with this 494 00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:49,810 going on 42 years now. 495 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,020 GAY: My life was now full of creases and wrinkles, 496 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,770 and no matter how hard I tried to iron them all away 497 00:29:59,850 --> 00:30:02,060 and press them and smooth the lines, 498 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640 make it function, 499 00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:07,020 my life would never be the same again. 500 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:17,890 -(ORNAMENTS CLINKING) -There. 501 00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:25,560 GRACE: I used to always tell people 502 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640 that, you know, it's the past 503 00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:33,730 and I've just been trying to move on. 504 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:37,270 But you actually don't. 505 00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:39,640 There's always a reminder. 506 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,470 -Here's your ballet shoe. -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 507 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,850 GRACE: Not talking about it did affect me in the long run. 508 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:57,770 And it took me years... 509 00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:02,430 to actually, um... 510 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:05,600 you know, go see someone... 511 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,140 Where should I put this one? 512 00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:09,140 ...after being attacked. 513 00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:10,310 Down here? 514 00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,060 I felt like the police 515 00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:15,770 didn't want that kind of news in the community. 516 00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:23,640 I remember in one of the papers, it just said, 517 00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:27,310 "Girl, 15, cut... 518 00:31:28,810 --> 00:31:29,980 and robbed." 519 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:35,390 I wasn't, like, "almost raped." I wasn't, you know, "stabbed." 520 00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:37,680 And I thought that was kind of like 521 00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:39,890 a whitewashing of the story. 522 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,390 And then a year and a half later, 523 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:48,680 Kathy Lombardo was killed. 524 00:31:48,770 --> 00:31:50,640 Not even a block away. 525 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,140 REPORTER 10: Just 15 minutes before, 526 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:55,850 she'd been seen going by the alley where she was found, 527 00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:57,980 a tall man following behind. 528 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,270 CHRIS LOMBARDO: One of the theories about the case 529 00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:03,220 was that the guy who did this 530 00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:05,020 came from outside the community, 531 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,810 may have ridden the L to Oak Park. 532 00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:08,980 The Oak Park police are seeking a subject 533 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:13,100 described as a Black male, 25 to 30 years of age, 534 00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:16,930 six feet tall, medium to muscular build, 535 00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,890 wearing a blue bandana around his head, 536 00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:21,850 a yellow tank top, 537 00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:26,770 dark shorts, and knee-length athletic socks. 538 00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:30,390 CHRIS: The other theory was that it was someone she knew. 539 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,850 This grey house, the second from the corner, 540 00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:36,680 is the house that Kathy and I grew up in. 541 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,810 My parents and younger brother lived in this house 542 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:42,980 when my sister was murdered. 543 00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:45,770 When the police arrived at my parents' house 544 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:48,310 to start asking questions, 545 00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:51,640 they were increasingly insistent that my parents 546 00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:55,350 or siblings and I should be giving them information, 547 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:59,100 and they became increasingly unpleasant about that. 548 00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:01,600 They wanted us to give them a name, 549 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,980 and they would knock on a door, 550 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:05,350 and the person would still be wearing the bloody clothes 551 00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:07,220 and say, "Yes, I did it." 552 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,060 They did a poor investigation. 553 00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:16,020 The crime scene was trampled. 554 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:20,060 And the materials were poorly handled. 555 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,390 And then, four months after my sister was murdered, 556 00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:26,520 they said, 557 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,180 "We have no leads, no identified suspects, 558 00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:33,220 and we're stopping our investigation." 559 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,470 MICHELLE: The case has a lot of tragic twists and turns 560 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,640 in terms of some dropped leads, in my opinion. 561 00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:50,350 Frankly, it just reeked of bad police work 562 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:52,980 and possibly mishandling of evidence. 563 00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:56,270 So I connected with this former detective 564 00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:58,470 in Chicago named George Seibel. 565 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,520 GEORGE SEIBEL: I don't know if being a cold case investigator 566 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,270 is what I do or what I am anymore. 567 00:34:08,890 --> 00:34:10,980 After I left the police department, 568 00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:16,850 I saw a large amount of violence upon women 569 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,520 in the area of Oak Park. 570 00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:25,890 It was not long after, uh, Kathleen's death 571 00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:28,520 that we started looking at this stuff. 572 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,930 I have gone through hundreds of articles. 573 00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:39,680 And what I found was a pattern of similar crimes. 574 00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:44,640 On Memorial Day weekend of 1978, 575 00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:46,930 Rita Hopkinson was killed, 576 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:50,180 stabbed in an attempt at sexual assault. 577 00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:52,430 REPORTER 11: She was stabbed six times in the chest 578 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,100 and slashed twice on the arm. 579 00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:56,640 Her struggle started at the top of these steps 580 00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:58,600 and ended hundreds of feet down the ramp 581 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,730 on this platform, where she died. 582 00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:04,060 GEORGE: A witness described the attacker 583 00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:06,850 as a clean-cut looking, young Black guy. 584 00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:11,980 And then there was the jogger rapist crime pattern, 585 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,640 where there were at least six rapes 586 00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:18,270 in a forest reserve. 587 00:35:18,350 --> 00:35:22,470 Immediately after that slowed down and stopped, 588 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,220 another rape pattern began along Washington Boulevard, 589 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:29,770 where there were a number of rapes 590 00:35:29,850 --> 00:35:33,770 with precisely the same method of operation. 591 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:36,390 My theory is, 592 00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:39,560 I believe that we're looking for one lone offender. 593 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:45,470 CHRIS: When I learned that there were so many, uh, rapes 594 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,520 and occasionally murders 595 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,980 that were of a kind similar to my sister's, 596 00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:53,680 I went to go talk to the detective 597 00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:57,560 who was assigned to run the investigation. 598 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,270 He said to me, "Oh, if we had the manpower, 599 00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:03,270 we'd be working on this every day. 600 00:36:03,350 --> 00:36:05,520 There's lot of things I could think of to do, 601 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,180 and I'd like to work on this, but we don't have the staff." 602 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,350 -(PHONE LINE CLICKS) -TIM UNZICKER: Hiya, Michelle. 603 00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:13,020 It's the Oak Park Police Department. 604 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,680 And unfortunately, not to add red tape to your woes, 605 00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:19,020 but I can't talk to you directly about the case, 606 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:23,100 at least without you going through, um, official channels. 607 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:24,520 (WIND WHISTLING) 608 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,850 MICHELLE: You get a feeling like-- 609 00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:27,850 because I exclusively write about cold cases-- 610 00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:30,770 there's really no reason, because you're talking about an old case, 611 00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:32,470 that someone shouldn't be able to, like, 612 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,350 share with you certain details of the case, 613 00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:36,020 because they want exposure. 614 00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,520 And very rarely do I ever encounter anyone who's like, 615 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,980 "I can't tell you about that case." 616 00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:47,180 GEORGE: At the time, there was an immense effort 617 00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:49,180 to sell Oak Park 618 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:52,810 as a progressive, enlightened community 619 00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:57,350 where all people hold hands and dance in circles. 620 00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:01,060 Unfortunately, 621 00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:05,390 people were getting raped all over hell and gone. 622 00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:10,220 And maybe their comfort level was that they couldn't stand 623 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:12,770 paying attention to what was going on. 624 00:37:12,850 --> 00:37:15,270 (CROWD CHEERING) 625 00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:18,060 I'd like to live in Oak Park. I think there's a lot to offer. 626 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:19,930 I'd like my kids to grow up here. 627 00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:21,730 INTERVIEWER 2: 628 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:23,560 I hope so. 629 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,180 I don't know, if I find somewhere else, 630 00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:28,220 I'm gonna always come back to Oak Park. 631 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,980 -(CROWD CHEERING) -♪ (MARCHING BAND PLAYING) ♪ 632 00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:36,470 GRACE: I don't necessarily blame the town. 633 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,180 But I was angry. 634 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:42,770 Because I felt like the police or someone was just trying 635 00:37:42,850 --> 00:37:47,100 to keep people from being fearful. 636 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:52,270 And the more public involvement in making sure... 637 00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:54,430 uh, crimes are solved, the better. 638 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,680 -(KNOCKING) -(DOOR OPENS) 639 00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:57,770 MICHELLE: I just was trying to get, you know, 640 00:37:57,850 --> 00:38:00,060 to talk to local people and stuff like that... 641 00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:03,350 GRACE: At some point, I had received an email 642 00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:06,020 -from Michelle. -(COMPUTER BEEPS) 643 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:09,850 GRACE: She was trying to get more information about my story. 644 00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:14,270 But I didn't know if I really wanted to talk about it, 645 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:17,520 and so I didn't respond to it. 646 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:21,730 And then, she died. 647 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:28,930 Without someone like that pursuing this... 648 00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:31,730 this is never going to get solved. 649 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,310 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 650 00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:40,180 CHRIS: At this point, I don't have any real hope 651 00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:43,060 that the Oak Park police will devote resources 652 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:45,470 or energy to my sister's murder. 653 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,060 But I'm still somewhat hopeful that this is a solvable case. 654 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:53,810 This crime affected not just my life 655 00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:56,810 and my parents' lives and shortened my mother's life 656 00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:59,640 and is something that my brothers and I think about 657 00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,140 every single day, 658 00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:04,270 but it's something that touched 659 00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:06,180 a lot of other people's lives as well. 660 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,020 CHRIS: And we're not the only ones 661 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:13,680 who want to find that person. 662 00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:16,100 -Come on, Michelle. 663 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,680 Good job, guys! 664 00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:21,020 MICHELLE: Two days after the murder, 665 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,850 I walked over to the crime scene. 666 00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:27,100 I don't know if this next part is true. 667 00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:32,810 I remember picking up a chip from a shattered Walkman 668 00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:36,270 in the very spot I heard her body was found. 669 00:39:37,930 --> 00:39:39,640 Did I really? 670 00:39:39,730 --> 00:39:43,520 Or is it a memory I willed into existence, 671 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,930 giving color and movement 672 00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:47,810 to a moment that lived only in my head? 673 00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:52,020 I don't know. 674 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,850 But I know that visit to the crime scene 675 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:56,270 was the beginning, 676 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,810 the origin of my obsession story, 677 00:40:00,890 --> 00:40:03,140 for it was there that I first experienced 678 00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:06,310 the narcotic pull of an unsolved murder. 679 00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:10,680 I felt like I knew a secret, 680 00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:14,600 and that secret had changed me forever. 681 00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:19,310 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 682 00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:32,100 SCHUBERT: It has been 16,417 days 683 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:34,850 since Joseph DeAngelo began his reign of terror. 684 00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:41,850 REPORTER 12: Over the past three days, we heard from the women he raped 685 00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:44,220 and from the family of those he killed. 686 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,020 REPORTER 13: Now, this morning, 687 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,980 the finale of a historic criminal case, 688 00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:55,180 the sentencing will begin in just a few hours. 689 00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:58,810 DIANA BECTON: Finally, we have arrived at that day. 690 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:02,310 The day when those who have waited so very long 691 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:04,930 will hear that Joseph DeAngelo 692 00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:09,390 will now serve the rest of his life behind bars. 693 00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:13,890 SCHUBERT: The greatest revenge is to live your lives. 694 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,810 Know that the monster of your childhood 695 00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:18,100 or your younger years 696 00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:22,270 is gone forever and will die alone in the dark. 697 00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:28,220 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 698 00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:36,390 (INDISTINCT WHISPERING) 699 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:49,390 I've listened to all your... 700 00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:51,980 statements. 701 00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:56,390 Each one of them. 702 00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:04,980 And I'm... 703 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:08,100 really sorry... 704 00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:11,390 to everyone I've hurt. 705 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:16,640 -Thank you, Your Honor. -BOWMAN: Thank you, sir. 706 00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,350 Mr. DeAngelo is sentenced 707 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:22,770 to a total of 11 consecutive life sentences 708 00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:24,770 without the possibility of parole, 709 00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:26,730 plus an additional life sentence, 710 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:28,600 plus an additional eight years. 711 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,810 This is the absolute maximum sentence 712 00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:33,430 the court is able to impose under the law. 713 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,180 And while the court has no power to make a determination 714 00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:38,060 of where the defendant is imprisoned, 715 00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:40,470 the survivors have spoken clearly. 716 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,770 The defendant deserves no mercy. 717 00:42:42,850 --> 00:42:46,930 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 718 00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:02,680 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 719 00:43:09,350 --> 00:43:11,680 GAY: It's like the book slammed shut 720 00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:13,930 and it was done 721 00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:16,310 and I knew he wouldn't ever walk. 722 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,180 There's no right to appeal or anything. 723 00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:21,930 There's no right to appeal. 724 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,680 That was a big plus of the, uh... 725 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,980 of the plea agreement. 726 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:28,390 (DOG BARKING) 727 00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:30,850 -GAY: Hello! -KRIS: Hi! 728 00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:33,310 -GAY: How are you? -KRIS: (LAUGHS) Good. 729 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,770 KRIS: Good job, Gay. 730 00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:40,770 -(KRIS LAUGHS) -(BOB CHUCKLES) 731 00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:42,350 KRIS: Go get your ball. 732 00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:44,770 GAY: Had he gotten the death penalty, 733 00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:48,980 there would've been ten years of additional, uh, 734 00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:50,270 appeals and hearings, 735 00:43:50,350 --> 00:43:54,600 and the case would still be in the forefront of my mind. 736 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,140 BOB: And the sense of closure from him being-- 737 00:43:58,220 --> 00:44:00,390 pleading to the charges, et cetera, 738 00:44:00,470 --> 00:44:02,640 you can probably move on better. But I don't-- 739 00:44:02,730 --> 00:44:05,810 It's something we're stuck with the rest of our life. 740 00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:09,270 It's better, but it's still there, you know? 741 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,890 -Hello, Cello. Hi. Hello, kiddo. -Hi! 742 00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:15,180 -Hi, buddy! -How you been? 743 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:18,810 KRIS: For years and years and years, 744 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:23,140 I had the same dream over and over and over again. 745 00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,810 And it was a dream that 746 00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:27,730 something bad was going to happen. 747 00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,180 And I would scream. 748 00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:35,180 And nobody could ever hear me, so I would try to scream louder, 749 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:37,850 and I would scream louder, and nobody ever heard me. 750 00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:40,020 That has stopped for me. 751 00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:44,680 Because I now feel that my screams for help 752 00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:46,350 were finally heard. 753 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:49,600 -♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(WINDCHIMES CHIMING) 754 00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:55,730 So, I had this shed that was not pretty, 755 00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:58,520 so I decided to paint it. And then one day I said, 756 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,350 "You know, I'm gonna put a tree on there. 757 00:45:00,430 --> 00:45:02,980 And I'm just gonna figure out how this could be 758 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:06,430 part of the journey that I've gone through." 759 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,020 I've included some really triumphant parts. 760 00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,560 But also, some really hard parts. 761 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,640 This burning mess right here is my life at 15 years old. 762 00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:25,430 The leaves represent new growth. 763 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,220 And as each year goes by, 764 00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:30,350 I will come out and add leaves to this tree. 765 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:34,770 And they are creeping into 766 00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:37,220 where once was chaos and sadness. 767 00:45:37,310 --> 00:45:40,220 And as they grow and they become more numerous, 768 00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:42,560 I'm able to see my growth as well. 769 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,220 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 770 00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:48,060 Your personal growth and support 771 00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:52,560 and working hard to get yourself back, 772 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,730 that's where the true closure comes. 773 00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,140 Because this turned out to be 774 00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:01,850 a really good ending to a very rotten story. 775 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,470 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(LAUGHS) 776 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,770 KRIS: We may have different experiences, 777 00:46:07,850 --> 00:46:09,270 but the result is the same, 778 00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:12,430 and our healing is beautiful as we all work, um, together. 779 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,770 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 780 00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:17,180 ♪ (MUSIC SWELLS) ♪ 781 00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:26,520 GAY: I'm still always just taken aback at how many... 782 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,890 survivors like us are out there 783 00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:36,470 who feel their case isn't ever going to be resolved, 784 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,520 and they think they won't ever get to do 785 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,390 the sentencing hearing. 786 00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:45,640 I feel like every victim deserves justice 787 00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:47,220 if it can be had. 788 00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:52,980 And I hope that they can find peace and resolution, 789 00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,680 because eventually that translates 790 00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:58,220 into a societal change. 791 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,020 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 792 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:07,060 MICHELLE: A violent crime never ends with a victim. 793 00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:11,060 The singular act reverberates, 794 00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:14,220 its wounds appearing in other people, 795 00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:19,060 sometimes months and years later. 796 00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:21,930 The pain ricochets. 797 00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:29,430 But inside everyone lurks a Sherlock Holmes 798 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,980 that believes that given the right clues... 799 00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:36,060 they could solve a mystery. 800 00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:42,930 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(BIRDS TWITTERING) 801 00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:15,350 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 802 00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:15,390 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 68170

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