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BROOKE TAYLOR:
All of these people
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are looking to me to tell them
what to do.
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I don't know what to tell them!
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Are you gonna take care of me?
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LINDA O'DELL: It was
a Friday night after 1:00.
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GAY HARDWICK: We were awakened
by a bright light.
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FIONA WILLIAMS:
And the only thing you can see
is his silhouette.
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KRIS PEDRETTI: Then he said,
"Don't move or I'll kill you."
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PATTON OSWALT:
Patton Oswalt sitting here
with Michelle McNamara.
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My wife, who's the writer of one
of the best written crime blogs.
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You know,
everyone has their cause,
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and this just feels like
what I was born to do.
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SPEAKER:
Michelle came up with the name
"Golden State Killer"
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'cause he terrorized up
and down the state.
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SPEAKER 2: He raped
over 50 women in California
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and killed ten people.
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She wanted to get
this guy caught.
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Frankly, it should be solved.
I mean, it just should be.
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In the true crime community,
her death was unbelievable.
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OFFICER: Although she never had
a badge and a gun,
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Michelle always was
and always will be one of us,
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and I have every belief
that through her work,
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this will be solved.
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PROSECUTOR: He's been called
the Original Night Stalker
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and the Golden State Killer.
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Today, it's our pleasure
to call him defendant.
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I wish you were pointing that
camera at Michelle right now.
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She got him.
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(RAIN PATTERING)
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MICHELLE MCNAMARA: I handled
my first crime scene evidence
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the summer I was 14.
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Specifically, broken pieces
from a yellow Walkman.
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A Walkman that 48 hours earlier
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had been in the ears
of Kathy Lombardo.
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She'd been jogging
a block and a half
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from her family's house,
and a man's hands
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shot forth suddenly
in the darkness.
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(KATHY LOMBARDO PANTING)
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MICHELLE:
There was the shock of his hands
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and the brutal force
with which he brought her down,
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-dragging her into the alley...
-(GARBAGE CANS CLATTERING)
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...slamming her
into the garbage cans,
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where he raped Kathy,
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stabbed her, slit her throat,
then disappeared.
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Never again would I tune out
when the words "homicide"
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or "missing,"
or "mystery" came on the news.
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REPORTER 1:
The mystery surrounding
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the so-called
Golden State Killer
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responsible for a slew
of murders and rapes...
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MICHELLE: He's the worst serial
offender in modern history.
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And it really seems to me that,
frankly, it should be solved.
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I mean, it just should be.
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I felt, in the truest sense
of the word, gripped.
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Like an unseen force
had locked onto me,
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refusing to let go.
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REPORTER 2: We found
the needle in the haystack.
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MICHELLE: I had a murder habit,
and it was bad.
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I would feed it
for the rest of my life.
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♪ Well I stepped
Into an avalanche ♪
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♪ It covered up my soul ♪
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♪ When I am not this hunchback
That you see ♪
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♪ I sleep beneath
The golden hill ♪
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♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪
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♪ You must learn
Learn to serve me well ♪
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REPORTER 3:
The sentencing hearing has begun
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for convicted East Area Rapist
and the Golden State Killer,
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Joseph DeAngelo.
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The man
who terrorized California
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in a series of rapes
and murders lasting a decade.
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Because of the sheer
number of crimes,
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his sentencing will take place
over the course of four days.
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All rise.
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Department 24 of
the Superior Court of California
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in and for
the County of Sacramento
is in session.
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The Honorable Michael Bowman,
Judge, presiding.
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The People's State of California
versus Joseph James DeAngelo.
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Is that your true
and correct name, sir?
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MICHAEL BOWMAN:
Is that your true name, sir?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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BOWMAN: Thank you. Mr. DeAngelo,
do you have any questions
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before we proceed further?
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-JOSEPH DEANGELO: No.
-BOWMAN: Thank you.
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GAY HARDWICK: For over 40 years,
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I would be reminded by my brain
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that it had been okay
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for someone to come
into my home
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and to...
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...wreak havoc on my body
and my mind
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and my relationship
and cause a lifelong pain.
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And that there was no justice.
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BOB HARDWICK:
When I sat in that room
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with all the victims,
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I just-- I just listen.
I was just, "God dang."
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Uh, it really got me,
and I'm pretty stoic. (CHUCKLES)
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-I think he used
the term "horrified."
-It was just--
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-I was--
-He was horrified.
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I was horrified
that this guy did so much
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to so many people.
It really hit me home.
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GAY: The 50 sexual assaults...
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13 murders...
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and it was so wrong
that he was living
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and hiding amongst us somewhere.
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But today, I don't need
to worry about it anymore.
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ANNE MARIE SCHUBERT:
Many people have asked
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and wondered,
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-really, who is Joseph DeAngelo?
-(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING)
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Is he a feeble, old,
74-year-old man?
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Is he psychologically impaired?
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Is he physically impaired?
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Is he even competent
to stand trial
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when he rolled in
in a wheelchair?
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The truth
of who Joseph DeAngelo is
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lies not just in what happened
in the courthouse...
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but what has happened
in his jail cell.
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Think back on the crimes
that he committed.
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Think back what he did
to shadow the light.
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You can see that Joseph DeAngelo
is no different today
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than he was 45 years ago.
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And the answer
to those questions
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that so many people
have wondered
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lies within the definition
of a sociopath.
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A sociopath is a person
who lies,
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deceives, and manipulates others
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for no other reason
than personal gain.
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He's not a feeble old man.
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He has, and always will, be...
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a sociopath in action.
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THIEN HO: While sitting alone
in the interview room
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on April the 24th, 2018,
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Joseph DeAngelo began
to talk to himself.
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And he feigned
feeble incoherence.
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And, among other things, said...
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"I didn't wanna do those things,
but Jerry made me.
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I didn't have the strength
to push him out.
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He went with me. It was like
in my head he's a part of me.
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I pushed Jerry out
and had a happy life.
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I've destroyed all their lives,
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so now I gotta pay the price."
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This investigation uncovered
that he just pretended
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to act crazy
to avoid getting in trouble.
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(NOTIFICATIONS PING)
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MICHELLE: I've been obsessed
with the East Area Rapist
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and the Original Night Stalker
for years.
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INTERVIEWER: So to keep
the one guy straight,
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you renamed him
"the Golden State Killer?"
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INTERVIEWER: Yeah, that was
something I came up with
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just because he kind of snaked
his way down the state.
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Most people, I guess,
who get lost in the forest
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die because
they won't change direction.
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I understand that because
I've now committed myself
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-so much to this guy...
-(INTERVIEWER LAUGHING)
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...it can't be
that I don't find him. Like--
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-INTERVIEWER: Right.
-He's taken over my life.
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REPORTER 4: Until her death,
crime writer Michelle McNamara
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was obsessed with
the Golden State Killer case.
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The Oak Park native
wrote the book
I'll Be Gone in the Dark.
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McNamara's book sparked
renewed interest in this case.
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MICHELLE:
Violent men unknown to me...
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have occupied my mind
all my adult life.
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I'm envious of people obsessed
with the Civil War,
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which brims with details
but is contained.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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MICHELLE: In my case,
the monsters recede
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but never vanish.
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They are long dead
and being born as I write.
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The first one, faceless
and never caught...
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marked me at 14.
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-♪ (MARCHING BAND PLAYING) ♪
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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REPORTER 5: The village
of Oak Park, Illinois,
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a town of stately trees
and big homes,
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where Ernest Hemingway and
Frank Lloyd Wright once lived,
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was declared to be
an All-America City.
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MICHELLE: We lived in Oak Park,
just west of Chicago.
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And by the 1980s,
Oak Park had a reputation
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for a kind of
privileged liberalism,
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progressive at a remove.
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-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-(CROWD CHEERING)
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MICHELLE: It was August 1984.
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Corey Hart's
"Sunglasses At Night"
was everywhere.
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Kathy Lombardo probably wasn't
into "Sunglasses At Night."
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She was more likely
a "Stuck On You" kind of person.
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Maybe she'd been listening to it
when the moment occurred.
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♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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The moment that led
to my furtive handling
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of her broken Walkman.
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REPORTER 6:
Kathy was covered in blood,
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stabbed in the neck,
chest, and, abdomen,
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and she had been
sexually assaulted.
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MICHELLE: I remember knowing
just from the way
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my mother and sister
stood looking out
the second-floor window
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that something terrible
had happened.
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Terrible things never happened.
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-RALPH: I'm Ralph.
-MICHELLE: Hi, I'm Michelle.
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-RALPH: Michelle.
-MICHELLE: Yes.
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-(DOOR CLOSES)
-RALPH: Okay. Have a seat.
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MICHELLE: Kathleen's murder
had a big impact on me.
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But it wasn't until
I returned home recently
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that I really looked into
how it was investigated
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and what happened.
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MICHELLE: I just was trying
to get, you know,
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to talk to local people
and stuff like that...
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-NEIGHBOR: Uh-huh.
-...and I was just wondering
if I could chat with you
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-for a second or two?
-NEIGHBOR: Nope.
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MICHELLE: Sometimes it takes
a little heat
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from a writer or a reporter,
and I'm happy to be that person.
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What an amazing thing
it would be
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to have closure for the family.
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I hope to interview
her brother Christopher soon.
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(PAPERS RUSTLING)
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This is one of the last pictures
I have of my sister
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and how she looked at the time
of her death.
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She had short hair.
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She was a sweet girl.
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I remember distinctly
that night.
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The phone rang, I picked it up,
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and my mother screamed
into the phone,
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"Your sister
was murdered tonight."
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And then she just
started crying.
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There's, there's no--
There's, you know--
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You don't plan
for things like that.
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She had a job that
she could support herself on.
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This is my sister's, uh,
Marshall Field's credit card.
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Marshall Field's
was the department store
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that she worked for.
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And she had just started
to live her life.
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And then this happened.
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I don't like the idea of anyone
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committing a crime like this
and then just walking away.
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I have tried to advance
an answer to this question,
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who killed Kathy, many times
over the past 30 years.
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After I read Michelle's book...
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I was really surprised
at how much about Kathy's murder
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was in the book,
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the level of detail
about Michelle's contacts
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with the teenagers
who found her body.
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MICHELLE: Walking back
into my childhood.
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Crunch as our shoes
hit the ground.
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Tom was a year below me
at St. Edmonds
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and was one of the boys
who found Kathy's body.
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I know very little about him,
aside from that
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the same night in August 1984
changed both of our lives.
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MICHELLE:
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Sure, that's fine.
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There were five of us
all in a row
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just kind of walking up
the alley, um...
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you know, getting ready
to get a Slurpee or something
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at the--
at the White Hen.
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You know, as you get in here,
you're kind of surrounded
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by these garages around you.
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Uh, and then there's gangways
in between.
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Usually on any
given Friday night,
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there were 30, 40 kids
in the neighborhood
playing around,
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but that night
there was just five of us,
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and we came walking up
the alley here.
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In the summertime,
it was a grass patch here
257
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and a grass patch here
and the big trees,
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you know, making
veritable tunnels.
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As we got up, uh, through here,
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there's the light,
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and so it cast a dark shadow
right across here.
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Um... Then as we came through,
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uh, that's when
we came across here,
264
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and my brother kind of losing it
and saying,
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"Holy shit, holy shit."
266
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And that's...
that's where we found her.
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Then I noticed that...
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that something was happening
on her neck.
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And you could see,
I could see her face, and it...
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it was someone who was alive,
and that's what I can't...
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And I remember saying,
"Hey, we need to get some help.
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We need some adults."
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That's when Dan decided to run,
uh, to the house over there
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and I decided to go up
the alleyway to the White Hen.
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REPORTER 7:
Last night, somebody grabbed
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the 24-year-old Oak Park woman
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in an alley,
probably from behind,
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stabbed her in the heart,
and slashed her throat.
279
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Police say she was probably
sexually attacked as well.
280
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She was found just after
ten o'clock by two youths
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who called a neighbor
to the scene.
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-KIM KNEBEL:
We're in the house, and...
283
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I'm playing
with my oldest son...
284
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when two boys
came running to the door
285
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and told me
somebody was hurt in the alley.
286
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And I went running over there.
287
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:07,180
By the time
I had gotten there...
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it was too late.
289
00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:11,680
I got there
and went to reach down
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00:18:11,770 --> 00:18:14,730
to check her carotid pulse,
291
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and her throat was slit open.
292
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TOM: By the time I came back,
the neighbor was there
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and he was holding
his hand on her neck.
294
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And I was just
kind of taking it in.
295
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KIM: She was turning pale fast,
and, uh...
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she was dead.
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TOM: I remember that night
and seeing her face. Um...
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And I could see light
in her eyes,
299
00:18:44,020 --> 00:18:46,770
and I think
it was just the reflection...
300
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of the streetlight.
301
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And then it was just gone.
302
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MICHELLE: But then
who else was attacked?
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Was it someone our age?
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TOM: Yeah,
so just a block over, uh,
305
00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:06,390
from where we're at.
306
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A block over and just
on the other side of the street
307
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is where Grace Puccetti
was attacked.
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MICHELLE: Yeah.
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I'll-- I'll maybe
track her down. Yeah.
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Do either of you know
an Oak Park woman
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named Grace Puccetti?
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I'm asking
because she was involved
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in a very similar incident
314
00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:35,020
to what happened
to Kathy Lombardo,
315
00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,850
but about a year or two before,
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only about a half a block away.
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GRACE PUCCETTI: When I was
a teenager, I liked to dance.
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00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:56,680
I really liked
the technical aspect of it,
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you know, the details.
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It was December 8th.
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I was coming out of ballet.
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00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:10,520
My mother had given me
20 dollars,
323
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,350
and she was like,
"Go buy some Christmas lights."
324
00:20:15,930 --> 00:20:17,890
I was walking home,
325
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and then I turned
and went down Pleasant Street.
326
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I could kind of sense
that someone was nearby.
327
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:37,020
I kept thinking,
"Okay, well, it seems like
328
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,430
the person's walking
a little faster."
329
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,810
And you can sense
when someone's there.
330
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:47,470
But it just seemed that...
"I'm almost home.
331
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I'm half a block from my house.
332
00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:51,850
Nothing's gonna happen."
333
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,560
And then someone appeared
next to me
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and asked me how I'm doing.
335
00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:05,520
I turned to the right,
336
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,430
and out of the corner
of this eye,
337
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I saw a knife pull up.
338
00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:13,020
And he had grabbed me
with a knife
339
00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,850
and pulled me into the alley.
340
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,180
He smelled like cigarettes...
341
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:24,560
and malt liquor.
342
00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:28,560
Then he proceeded
to tell me to...
343
00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:30,520
um...
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pull down my pants.
345
00:21:38,890 --> 00:21:42,180
And I'm like, "I-- I can't,
I'm wearing a leotard."
346
00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:47,220
And then he didn't understand
what a leotard is,
347
00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:51,390
so then I was trying
to explain what a leotard was,
348
00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:55,220
and then he was just getting
madder and madder.
349
00:21:56,850 --> 00:21:58,470
Just constantly saying,
350
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,180
"Shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up."
351
00:22:03,310 --> 00:22:07,180
Then he finally said,
"I'm not going to hurt you."
352
00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:13,810
I could feel,
as he's saying that,
353
00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:17,270
the knife...
going into my throat.
354
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:28,020
Next thing I knew,
I was laying on my back,
355
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,600
staring at the sky...
356
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:35,390
thinking, "That's it."
357
00:22:41,770 --> 00:22:46,350
But then I realized
my house is four doors away,
358
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:49,270
and I thought,
"If I'm gonna die,
359
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:51,310
I'm gonna die
at my own house."
360
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:53,430
So I got up...
361
00:22:55,060 --> 00:22:58,220
and stumbled my way
down the alley
362
00:22:58,310 --> 00:23:00,350
and went to the back door.
363
00:23:01,470 --> 00:23:04,020
My dad came to the door
and was just in shock.
364
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:07,980
And I just laid on the floor...
365
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:12,350
and waited for
the paramedics to arrive.
366
00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:20,680
When I got home
from the hospital,
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00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:24,310
my mother had made sure that
no one really talked about it.
368
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:27,810
Because, as she saw it,
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with anyone who's attacked,
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00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:35,270
the victim becomes
another victim of the system.
371
00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:39,140
So she didn't want that
to happen.
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00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:43,270
And I don't know,
in a way, I thought,
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00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:46,270
"You know what? She's right."
You know, is it worth it?
374
00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:51,390
Is-- is-- is it worth it
to relive it
375
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:55,180
and to pursue something
376
00:23:55,930 --> 00:23:59,100
that you might never win?
377
00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:06,060
MICHELLE:
Eventually, the case report
378
00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:09,060
is put in a file, in a box,
379
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,020
then in a room.
380
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,930
The door is shut.
381
00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:18,930
Yellowing of paper
and fading of memory commence.
382
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,020
What happened to them is buried,
383
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,560
bright and unmoving,
384
00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:27,600
a coin at the bottom of a pool.
385
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:33,350
KRIS PEDRETTI:
When an assault happens...
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00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,470
your whole world
kind of crashes down on you.
387
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,890
I think it's very normal
to go inward.
388
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,430
For so many years,
that's what I did.
389
00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:47,390
But what I've learned is that
390
00:24:47,470 --> 00:24:50,770
you can't heal
unless you can talk about it.
391
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,770
Acknowledgement goes a long way.
392
00:24:55,770 --> 00:24:57,890
REPORTER 8: Today,
74-year-old Joseph DeAngelo
393
00:24:57,980 --> 00:25:00,980
will sit and hear from more than
two dozen women survivors
394
00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:02,640
he terrorized
in Northern California.
395
00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:04,600
REPORTER 9: This is the day
they've been waiting for
396
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,310
since this all started
decades ago.
397
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:08,270
All survivors and families
of the murder victims
398
00:25:08,350 --> 00:25:10,270
are expected to be here as well.
399
00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:13,430
KRIS: Obviously,
he was gonna be charged
400
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,640
with the murders.
401
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:18,350
But for the majority
of the rape survivors...
402
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:21,560
the statute of limitations
was three years.
403
00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:26,560
So when he was captured,
404
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,600
there was nothing
that they could charge him with
405
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:31,810
in our rapes.
406
00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:34,730
And so once we found out
that there was the possibility
407
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:36,100
of a plea agreement,
408
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:39,520
we wanted to be heard.
409
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,680
We wanted him to acknowledge
not just the people
410
00:25:42,770 --> 00:25:44,390
that had charges against him,
411
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:48,770
but all the many of the women
that he, um...
412
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:53,640
raped and assaulted
and terrorized.
413
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,470
So part of the plea agreement
414
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,890
was that he was going to admit
to everything.
415
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:05,930
BAILIFF: Please remain seated
and come to order.
416
00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:07,220
Court is back in session.
417
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:08,850
BOWMAN: Thank you.
We're back on the record
418
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:10,680
in the DeAngelo matter.
419
00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:12,850
Mr. DeAngelo's present
with counsel.
420
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:14,350
This is the time we've scheduled
421
00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:16,680
to hear from the victims
and victims' family.
422
00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:19,520
As a reminder
for those speaking,
423
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,100
you've waited a long time
to be heard.
424
00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:25,890
There's no reason to rush,
so you take your time.
425
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:28,100
I wanna hear every word
that you have to say,
426
00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:30,850
and I wanna make sure we have
an accurate record, as well.
427
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:33,730
Is there any victim
or victim's family member
428
00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,350
that wishes to be heard
at this time?
429
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,310
-KRIS: Yes, Your Honor.
-BOWMAN: Thank you.
430
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:40,600
My name is Kris Pedretti.
431
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,470
And thank you for allowing me
to share the impact
432
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,640
that Joseph James DeAngelo
had on me
433
00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:49,310
the night he raped
and threatened constantly
to kill me.
434
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:52,730
I was a normal 15-year-old kid.
435
00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:55,600
My safety was shattered
as a masked man,
436
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,730
DeAngelo, yielding a knife,
437
00:26:58,810 --> 00:27:02,520
told me he would kill me
if I didn't do what he demanded.
438
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,310
DeAngelo stole
my formative years.
439
00:27:07,390 --> 00:27:10,730
He stole my youth, my innocence,
440
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,560
my faith, and my trust.
441
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:18,020
Who could I have grown up to be?
442
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:20,560
I guess I'll never know.
443
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:24,060
BOWMAN: Regarding
the uncharged offense of rape,
444
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:25,470
of making a criminal threat,
445
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,980
and the false imprisonment
of Jane Doe number 24,
446
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:31,730
do you admit or deny that?
447
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:35,100
I admit.
448
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,980
GAY: While living
in the first home
449
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:40,220
my husband and I
purchased together,
450
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:45,810
where we had so much hope
for our future...
451
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,470
...on March 18th, 1978,
452
00:27:56,430 --> 00:28:00,140
Joe DeAngelo attacked us
while we were sleeping.
453
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,020
BOWMAN: Regarding
the uncharged offense
454
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:05,980
of kidnapping to commit robbery,
false imprisonment,
455
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:07,730
making a criminal threat,
456
00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:10,390
and the rape
of Jane Doe number 39,
457
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:11,890
do you admit or deny that?
458
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,810
JOSEPH: I admit.
459
00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:18,310
LINDA O'DELL: My date
is May 14th, 1977.
460
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:21,180
Today is for my granddaughter
461
00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:23,810
because I wanna teach her
to be brave and strong.
462
00:28:24,730 --> 00:28:26,140
And it's for my family
and friends
463
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:27,430
that have stood by me.
464
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,560
BOWMAN: Regarding count 18
465
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,890
and the charged offense
of false imprisonment,
466
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:32,770
kidnapping with intent
to commit robbery,
467
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:35,890
making a criminal threat,
and the rape of Jane Doe 5,
468
00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:37,890
-do you admit or deny that?
-JOSEPH: I admit.
469
00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:40,220
Regarding the uncharged offense
of rape
470
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:42,310
-of Jane Doe number 7...
-JOSEPH: I admit.
471
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:44,850
...Jane Doe number 8,
Jane Doe number 14,
472
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:47,310
Jane Doe number 26,
Jane Doe number 31,
473
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:49,640
-Jane Doe number 50...
-JOSEPH: I admit.
474
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:52,180
I want to especially thank
a friend
475
00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:56,390
that's accompanying me today,
Bonnie.
476
00:28:56,470 --> 00:29:01,270
Even a gun pointed at her face
could not make her choose you.
477
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,730
BOWMAN: In the charge of murder
of Charlene Smith
478
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:08,060
and the charge of murder
of Lyman Smith,
479
00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:09,600
how do you plead?
480
00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:12,060
JOSEPH: Guilty.
481
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:15,140
DEBBI DOMINGO:
After my mother's murder...
482
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:18,560
I had stumbled into drug use,
483
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,100
and that started
a fast downward spiral.
484
00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:25,600
If I had my way,
Joseph James DeAngelo
485
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,350
would be shivering,
blindfolded,
486
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:32,930
naked and exposed
every moment from now on.
487
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:34,270
BOB: Four nights a week,
488
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:36,850
he can be awakened
by masked inmates.
489
00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:39,470
His attackers
would repeatedly rape him
490
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,060
like these women were raped.
491
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:44,680
I would want
Mr. DeAngelo to suffer
492
00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:46,060
for the rest of his life,
493
00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:48,220
like my wife
has suffered with this
494
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:49,810
going on 42 years now.
495
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,020
GAY: My life was now
full of creases and wrinkles,
496
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,770
and no matter how hard
I tried to iron them all away
497
00:29:59,850 --> 00:30:02,060
and press them
and smooth the lines,
498
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640
make it function,
499
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:07,020
my life would never
be the same again.
500
00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:17,890
-(ORNAMENTS CLINKING)
-There.
501
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:25,560
GRACE: I used to
always tell people
502
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640
that, you know, it's the past
503
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:33,730
and I've just been trying
to move on.
504
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:37,270
But you actually don't.
505
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:39,640
There's always a reminder.
506
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,470
-Here's your ballet shoe.
-♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
507
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,850
GRACE: Not talking about it
did affect me in the long run.
508
00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:57,770
And it took me years...
509
00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:02,430
to actually, um...
510
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:05,600
you know, go see someone...
511
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,140
Where should I put this one?
512
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:09,140
...after being attacked.
513
00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:10,310
Down here?
514
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,060
I felt like the police
515
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:15,770
didn't want that kind of news
in the community.
516
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:23,640
I remember in one
of the papers, it just said,
517
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:27,310
"Girl, 15, cut...
518
00:31:28,810 --> 00:31:29,980
and robbed."
519
00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:35,390
I wasn't, like, "almost raped."
I wasn't, you know, "stabbed."
520
00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:37,680
And I thought
that was kind of like
521
00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:39,890
a whitewashing of the story.
522
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,390
And then
a year and a half later,
523
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:48,680
Kathy Lombardo was killed.
524
00:31:48,770 --> 00:31:50,640
Not even a block away.
525
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,140
REPORTER 10:
Just 15 minutes before,
526
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:55,850
she'd been seen going by
the alley where she was found,
527
00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:57,980
a tall man following behind.
528
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,270
CHRIS LOMBARDO: One
of the theories about the case
529
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:03,220
was that the guy who did this
530
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:05,020
came from outside the community,
531
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,810
may have ridden
the L to Oak Park.
532
00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:08,980
The Oak Park police
are seeking a subject
533
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:13,100
described as a Black male,
25 to 30 years of age,
534
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:16,930
six feet tall,
medium to muscular build,
535
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,890
wearing a blue bandana
around his head,
536
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:21,850
a yellow tank top,
537
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:26,770
dark shorts,
and knee-length athletic socks.
538
00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:30,390
CHRIS: The other theory was that
it was someone she knew.
539
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,850
This grey house,
the second from the corner,
540
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:36,680
is the house
that Kathy and I grew up in.
541
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,810
My parents and younger brother
lived in this house
542
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:42,980
when my sister was murdered.
543
00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:45,770
When the police arrived
at my parents' house
544
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:48,310
to start asking questions,
545
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:51,640
they were increasingly insistent
that my parents
546
00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:55,350
or siblings and I should be
giving them information,
547
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:59,100
and they became increasingly
unpleasant about that.
548
00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:01,600
They wanted us
to give them a name,
549
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,980
and they would knock on a door,
550
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:05,350
and the person would still
be wearing the bloody clothes
551
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:07,220
and say, "Yes, I did it."
552
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,060
They did a poor investigation.
553
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:16,020
The crime scene was trampled.
554
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:20,060
And the materials
were poorly handled.
555
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,390
And then, four months after
my sister was murdered,
556
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:26,520
they said,
557
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,180
"We have no leads,
no identified suspects,
558
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:33,220
and we're stopping
our investigation."
559
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,470
MICHELLE: The case has a lot
of tragic twists and turns
560
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,640
in terms of some dropped leads,
in my opinion.
561
00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:50,350
Frankly, it just reeked
of bad police work
562
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:52,980
and possibly mishandling
of evidence.
563
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:56,270
So I connected
with this former detective
564
00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:58,470
in Chicago named George Seibel.
565
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,520
GEORGE SEIBEL: I don't know if
being a cold case investigator
566
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,270
is what I do
or what I am anymore.
567
00:34:08,890 --> 00:34:10,980
After I left
the police department,
568
00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:16,850
I saw a large amount
of violence upon women
569
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,520
in the area of Oak Park.
570
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:25,890
It was not long after,
uh, Kathleen's death
571
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:28,520
that we started
looking at this stuff.
572
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,930
I have gone through
hundreds of articles.
573
00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:39,680
And what I found was a pattern
of similar crimes.
574
00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:44,640
On Memorial Day weekend
of 1978,
575
00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:46,930
Rita Hopkinson was killed,
576
00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:50,180
stabbed in an attempt
at sexual assault.
577
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:52,430
REPORTER 11: She was stabbed
six times in the chest
578
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,100
and slashed twice on the arm.
579
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:56,640
Her struggle started
at the top of these steps
580
00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:58,600
and ended hundreds
of feet down the ramp
581
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,730
on this platform,
where she died.
582
00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:04,060
GEORGE: A witness
described the attacker
583
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:06,850
as a clean-cut looking,
young Black guy.
584
00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:11,980
And then there was
the jogger rapist crime pattern,
585
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,640
where there were
at least six rapes
586
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:18,270
in a forest reserve.
587
00:35:18,350 --> 00:35:22,470
Immediately after that
slowed down and stopped,
588
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,220
another rape pattern began
along Washington Boulevard,
589
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:29,770
where there were
a number of rapes
590
00:35:29,850 --> 00:35:33,770
with precisely the same
method of operation.
591
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:36,390
My theory is,
592
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:39,560
I believe that we're looking
for one lone offender.
593
00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:45,470
CHRIS: When I learned that
there were so many, uh, rapes
594
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,520
and occasionally murders
595
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,980
that were of a kind
similar to my sister's,
596
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:53,680
I went to go talk
to the detective
597
00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:57,560
who was assigned
to run the investigation.
598
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,270
He said to me,
"Oh, if we had the manpower,
599
00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:03,270
we'd be working
on this every day.
600
00:36:03,350 --> 00:36:05,520
There's lot of things
I could think of to do,
601
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,180
and I'd like to work on this,
but we don't have the staff."
602
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,350
-(PHONE LINE CLICKS)
-TIM UNZICKER: Hiya, Michelle.
603
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:13,020
It's the Oak Park
Police Department.
604
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,680
And unfortunately, not to add
red tape to your woes,
605
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:19,020
but I can't talk to you directly
about the case,
606
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:23,100
at least without you going
through, um, official channels.
607
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:24,520
(WIND WHISTLING)
608
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,850
MICHELLE:
You get a feeling like--
609
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:27,850
because I exclusively write
about cold cases--
610
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:30,770
there's really no reason,
because you're talking about
an old case,
611
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:32,470
that someone shouldn't
be able to, like,
612
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,350
share with you
certain details of the case,
613
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:36,020
because they want exposure.
614
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,520
And very rarely do I ever
encounter anyone who's like,
615
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,980
"I can't tell you
about that case."
616
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:47,180
GEORGE: At the time,
there was an immense effort
617
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:49,180
to sell Oak Park
618
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:52,810
as a progressive,
enlightened community
619
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:57,350
where all people hold hands
and dance in circles.
620
00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:01,060
Unfortunately,
621
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:05,390
people were getting raped
all over hell and gone.
622
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:10,220
And maybe their comfort level
was that they couldn't stand
623
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:12,770
paying attention
to what was going on.
624
00:37:12,850 --> 00:37:15,270
(CROWD CHEERING)
625
00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:18,060
I'd like to live in Oak Park.
I think there's a lot to offer.
626
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:19,930
I'd like my kids
to grow up here.
627
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:21,730
INTERVIEWER 2:
628
00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:23,560
I hope so.
629
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,180
I don't know,
if I find somewhere else,
630
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:28,220
I'm gonna always
come back to Oak Park.
631
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,980
-(CROWD CHEERING)
-♪ (MARCHING BAND PLAYING) ♪
632
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:36,470
GRACE: I don't necessarily
blame the town.
633
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,180
But I was angry.
634
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:42,770
Because I felt like the police
or someone was just trying
635
00:37:42,850 --> 00:37:47,100
to keep people
from being fearful.
636
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:52,270
And the more public involvement
in making sure...
637
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:54,430
uh, crimes are solved,
the better.
638
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,680
-(KNOCKING)
-(DOOR OPENS)
639
00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:57,770
MICHELLE: I just was trying
to get, you know,
640
00:37:57,850 --> 00:38:00,060
to talk to local people
and stuff like that...
641
00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:03,350
GRACE: At some point,
I had received an email
642
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:06,020
-from Michelle.
-(COMPUTER BEEPS)
643
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:09,850
GRACE: She was trying to get
more information about my story.
644
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:14,270
But I didn't know if I really
wanted to talk about it,
645
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:17,520
and so I didn't respond to it.
646
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:21,730
And then, she died.
647
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:28,930
Without someone
like that pursuing this...
648
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:31,730
this is never going
to get solved.
649
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,310
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
650
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:40,180
CHRIS: At this point,
I don't have any real hope
651
00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:43,060
that the Oak Park police
will devote resources
652
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:45,470
or energy to my sister's murder.
653
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,060
But I'm still somewhat hopeful
that this is a solvable case.
654
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:53,810
This crime affected
not just my life
655
00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:56,810
and my parents' lives
and shortened my mother's life
656
00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:59,640
and is something that
my brothers and I think about
657
00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,140
every single day,
658
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:04,270
but it's something that touched
659
00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:06,180
a lot of other people's lives
as well.
660
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,020
CHRIS:
And we're not the only ones
661
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:13,680
who want to find that person.
662
00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:16,100
-Come on, Michelle.
663
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Good job, guys!
664
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:21,020
MICHELLE: Two days
after the murder,
665
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,850
I walked over
to the crime scene.
666
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:27,100
I don't know
if this next part is true.
667
00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:32,810
I remember picking up a chip
from a shattered Walkman
668
00:39:32,890 --> 00:39:36,270
in the very spot
I heard her body was found.
669
00:39:37,930 --> 00:39:39,640
Did I really?
670
00:39:39,730 --> 00:39:43,520
Or is it a memory
I willed into existence,
671
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,930
giving color and movement
672
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:47,810
to a moment that lived
only in my head?
673
00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:52,020
I don't know.
674
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,850
But I know that visit
to the crime scene
675
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:56,270
was the beginning,
676
00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,810
the origin
of my obsession story,
677
00:40:00,890 --> 00:40:03,140
for it was there
that I first experienced
678
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:06,310
the narcotic pull
of an unsolved murder.
679
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:10,680
I felt like I knew a secret,
680
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:14,600
and that secret
had changed me forever.
681
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:19,310
♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
682
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:32,100
SCHUBERT:
It has been 16,417 days
683
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:34,850
since Joseph DeAngelo
began his reign of terror.
684
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:41,850
REPORTER 12:
Over the past three days,
we heard from the women he raped
685
00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:44,220
and from the family
of those he killed.
686
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,020
REPORTER 13: Now, this morning,
687
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,980
the finale
of a historic criminal case,
688
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:55,180
the sentencing will begin
in just a few hours.
689
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:58,810
DIANA BECTON: Finally,
we have arrived at that day.
690
00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:02,310
The day when those
who have waited so very long
691
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:04,930
will hear that Joseph DeAngelo
692
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:09,390
will now serve the rest
of his life behind bars.
693
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:13,890
SCHUBERT: The greatest revenge
is to live your lives.
694
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,810
Know that the monster
of your childhood
695
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:18,100
or your younger years
696
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:22,270
is gone forever
and will die alone in the dark.
697
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:28,220
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
698
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:36,390
(INDISTINCT WHISPERING)
699
00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:49,390
I've listened to all your...
700
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:51,980
statements.
701
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:56,390
Each one of them.
702
00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:04,980
And I'm...
703
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:08,100
really sorry...
704
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:11,390
to everyone I've hurt.
705
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:16,640
-Thank you, Your Honor.
-BOWMAN: Thank you, sir.
706
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,350
Mr. DeAngelo is sentenced
707
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:22,770
to a total of 11
consecutive life sentences
708
00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:24,770
without the possibility
of parole,
709
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:26,730
plus an additional
life sentence,
710
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:28,600
plus an additional eight years.
711
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,810
This is the absolute
maximum sentence
712
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:33,430
the court is able
to impose under the law.
713
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,180
And while the court has no power
to make a determination
714
00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:38,060
of where the defendant
is imprisoned,
715
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:40,470
the survivors
have spoken clearly.
716
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,770
The defendant deserves no mercy.
717
00:42:42,850 --> 00:42:46,930
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
718
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:02,680
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
719
00:43:09,350 --> 00:43:11,680
GAY: It's like the book
slammed shut
720
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:13,930
and it was done
721
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:16,310
and I knew
he wouldn't ever walk.
722
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,180
There's no right
to appeal or anything.
723
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:21,930
There's no right to appeal.
724
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,680
That was a big plus
of the, uh...
725
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,980
of the plea agreement.
726
00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:28,390
(DOG BARKING)
727
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:30,850
-GAY: Hello!
-KRIS: Hi!
728
00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:33,310
-GAY: How are you?
-KRIS: (LAUGHS) Good.
729
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,770
KRIS: Good job, Gay.
730
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:40,770
-(KRIS LAUGHS)
-(BOB CHUCKLES)
731
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:42,350
KRIS: Go get your ball.
732
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:44,770
GAY: Had he gotten
the death penalty,
733
00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:48,980
there would've been ten years
of additional, uh,
734
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:50,270
appeals and hearings,
735
00:43:50,350 --> 00:43:54,600
and the case would still be
in the forefront of my mind.
736
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,140
BOB: And the sense of closure
from him being--
737
00:43:58,220 --> 00:44:00,390
pleading to the charges,
et cetera,
738
00:44:00,470 --> 00:44:02,640
you can probably move on better.
But I don't--
739
00:44:02,730 --> 00:44:05,810
It's something we're stuck with
the rest of our life.
740
00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:09,270
It's better,
but it's still there, you know?
741
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,890
-Hello, Cello. Hi. Hello, kiddo.
-Hi!
742
00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:15,180
-Hi, buddy!
-How you been?
743
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:18,810
KRIS: For years
and years and years,
744
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:23,140
I had the same dream over
and over and over again.
745
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,810
And it was a dream that
746
00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:27,730
something bad
was going to happen.
747
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,180
And I would scream.
748
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:35,180
And nobody could ever hear me,
so I would try to scream louder,
749
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:37,850
and I would scream louder,
and nobody ever heard me.
750
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:40,020
That has stopped for me.
751
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:44,680
Because I now feel
that my screams for help
752
00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:46,350
were finally heard.
753
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:49,600
-♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-(WINDCHIMES CHIMING)
754
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:55,730
So, I had this shed
that was not pretty,
755
00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:58,520
so I decided to paint it.
And then one day I said,
756
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,350
"You know, I'm gonna
put a tree on there.
757
00:45:00,430 --> 00:45:02,980
And I'm just gonna figure out
how this could be
758
00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:06,430
part of the journey
that I've gone through."
759
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,020
I've included
some really triumphant parts.
760
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:12,560
But also,
some really hard parts.
761
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,640
This burning mess right here
is my life at 15 years old.
762
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:25,430
The leaves represent new growth.
763
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,220
And as each year goes by,
764
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:30,350
I will come out
and add leaves to this tree.
765
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:34,770
And they are creeping into
766
00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:37,220
where once was chaos
and sadness.
767
00:45:37,310 --> 00:45:40,220
And as they grow
and they become more numerous,
768
00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:42,560
I'm able to see
my growth as well.
769
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,220
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
770
00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:48,060
Your personal growth
and support
771
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:52,560
and working hard
to get yourself back,
772
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,730
that's where
the true closure comes.
773
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,140
Because this turned out to be
774
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:01,850
a really good ending
to a very rotten story.
775
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,470
-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-(LAUGHS)
776
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,770
KRIS: We may have
different experiences,
777
00:46:07,850 --> 00:46:09,270
but the result is the same,
778
00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:12,430
and our healing is beautiful
as we all work, um, together.
779
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,770
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
780
00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:17,180
♪ (MUSIC SWELLS) ♪
781
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:26,520
GAY: I'm still always
just taken aback at how many...
782
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,890
survivors like us are out there
783
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:36,470
who feel their case isn't ever
going to be resolved,
784
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,520
and they think
they won't ever get to do
785
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,390
the sentencing hearing.
786
00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:45,640
I feel like every victim
deserves justice
787
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:47,220
if it can be had.
788
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:52,980
And I hope that they can find
peace and resolution,
789
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:55,680
because eventually
that translates
790
00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:58,220
into a societal change.
791
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,020
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
792
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:07,060
MICHELLE: A violent crime
never ends with a victim.
793
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:11,060
The singular act reverberates,
794
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:14,220
its wounds appearing
in other people,
795
00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:19,060
sometimes months
and years later.
796
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:21,930
The pain ricochets.
797
00:47:24,850 --> 00:47:29,430
But inside everyone lurks
a Sherlock Holmes
798
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,980
that believes
that given the right clues...
799
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:36,060
they could solve a mystery.
800
00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:42,930
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-(BIRDS TWITTERING)
801
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:15,350
♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
802
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:15,390
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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