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Kris:
I got mad and I punched a wall
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in my, like -- my freshman
or eighth-grade year.
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I used to have
really bad outbursts.
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It´s just a natural impulse
for me
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just to get mad
and smack something because,
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like, punching a pillow
or punching a bed
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isn´t the same
as punching something solid.
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´Cause when you punch
something solid,
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you feel your anger
just kind of leave
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when you punch something
because you relieve it
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by hitting something.
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And it causes damage.
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And it´s really annoying
that I do it.
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And I hate that I do it.
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I hate it a lot.
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And I still have my mer--
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Ugh. My merit badge.
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You do, like, special things
in the Scouts,
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and you get a special patch
for it.
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That´s from fishing.
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That´s leatherworking, I think.
Archery.
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Archery was really fun for me
because I was the only one
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out of my group
that made a bull´s-eye.
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So, this is what our troop was
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before we had to change it.
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"420" kind of stands
for marijuana stuff.
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And having that
in a Boy Scout organization
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is not kind of the best thing
you want to have.
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Getting in fights
almost every day
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with my parents
is kind of exhausting.
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And getting somewhere that´s not
exactly a better environment,
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but a place with less fights.
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You´re kind of
just trading one --
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You´re trading one evil
for another.
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And I traded fighting
for what happened,
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which I would take fighting over
any day.
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On my honor, I will do my best
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to do my duty to God
and my country
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and to obey the Scout Law,
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to help other people
at all times,
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to keep myself
physically strong,
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mentally awake,
and morally straight.
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[ Band playing patriotic march,
horns most prominent]
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[ Applause ]
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Sit down, boys.
[ Laughter ]
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Scouting has worked.
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It´s based on cooperation.
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You know what that means.
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It´s based on
the spirit of service.
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And it´s going to work.
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Strahan: Now to that breakingnews involving the Boy Scouts.
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Male reporter: ...a programwhose stated mission
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is to teach young peopleethical and moral values.
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Female reporter: It´s beenan American institution
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for more than a hundred years.
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Male reporter:
...its assets of $1.4 billion,
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including landfor camping and hiking.
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The Boy Scouts of America
facing a crisis tonight.
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The 110-year-old organization
filing for bankruptcy.
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Their bankruptcy filing
early today
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is the only way they can deal
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with a growing number
of sexual-abuse lawsuits.
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Rosenblatt: Hi, Nigel.My name is Rachel Rosenblatt.
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I work withthe Boy Scouts of America.
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I understand you´re doingresearch about the organization
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and just wanted to see howwe can be helpful, et cetera.
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So if you could give me a callback at your convenience,
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that would be great.
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Hello. This is Rachel.
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Hey, Rachel.
This is Nigel Jaquiss.
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Hey. How are you?
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I´m alright. Thanks.
How about you?
I´m good. Thanks.
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Just wanted to hearwhat you´re working on
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so we can seehow we can be helpful.
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Sure. First of all,
the Boy Scouts
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have touched almost every
household in this country.
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And there´s a tremendous
interest in this organization.
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It´s --
It is apple pie.
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You know, it´s --
it´s baseball.
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It´s Mom. It´s 4th of July.
It´s the American flag.
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It´s Norman Rockwell.
It´s everything.
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And what we want to dois make sure
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you havethe information right.
Yeah.
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That is in everybody´sbest interest.
Absolutely.
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Look, I´m aware that there have
been 130 million Boy Scouts
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over the course
of the institution´s history,
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and the vast majority
of those Boy Scouts
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were not sexually abused.
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But, you know,
I´m not gonna sugarcoat it.
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There´s a lot of damage
that´s been done.
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We really want a candid
explanation, from the people
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who were involved
in the decision-making,
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how this happened.
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So that´s my ask.
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I don´t think you are,like, a "gotcha" guy,
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but I don´t wantto set somebody up
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where they´re being asked like,"Well, why didn´t you do more?"
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It´s like, well,nobody was doing more,
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but there wasjust not awareness
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of the issues at that time.
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Look.I-I totally get the ask.
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Jaquiss:
The Boy Scouts said
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that these alleged casesof abuse happened decades ago
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and that Scouting was safe.
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Throughout my career
as a reporter,
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I´ve tried to come at stories
by asking,
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well, is the narrative
that we´re being presented true?
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Might there be
another narrative?
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I grew up in a very small town
in Southern Indiana
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called New Harmony.
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And in the town park
was this cool, old log cabin.
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And I really looked forward
to when I would be old enough
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to go to Boy Scout meetings
in that log cabin.
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My parents were British.
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They were older
than other people´s parents,
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so we didn´t really fit in.
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Well, one way we fit in
was being Boy Scouts.
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I have three brothers.
All four of us were Scouts.
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And I think I did absorb the
values that the Scouts teach,
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to help other people
at all times, leave no trace,
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always leaves things
better than you found them.
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As corny as it sounds,
I did absorb that,
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and I´ve tried to live my life
that way.
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Parents gave the Boy Scouts
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the most valuable thing
they had -- their children.
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And the Boy Scouts told parents,
"You can trust us.
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We know how to make your son
a man.
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We will be good for your son."
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This is an important message
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for all current
and former Boy Scouts.
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The Boy Scouts of America
has declared bankruptcy.
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If you were sexually abused
in Scouting,
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you could receive compensation.
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You may file a sexual abuse
claim regardless of your...
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Jaquiss:
When the Boy Scouts
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declared bankruptcyin February 2020,
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the bankruptcy court judgeessentially said
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anybody who has a sexual abuseclaim against the Boy Scouts
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should now step forward.
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And the numbers just kept
going up and up and up.
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And it has been overwhelming for
everybody involved in the case.
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Limpens:
I mean, is this -- is this --
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Have you talked
about this before?
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I mean, is this
one of the first times
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you´ve talked about this?
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[ Keyboard clacking ]
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Okay.
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So can you -- Are you --
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I know this is uncomfortable
to talk about,
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but can you tell me a little bit
about what he was doing?
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That -- That -- That --
And was --
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Mm-hmm.
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I will get in touch with you
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as soon as I get some feedback
from the attorneys.
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Okay. Yeah, I will.
Alright. Thank you.
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[ Printer whirring ]
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I thought it was gonna take
at least four large notebooks.
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And by mid-2017,
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fewer letters of the alphabet
fit in one notebook.
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And so, for example,
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this is just "E" through "G,"
2018.
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And if I were to go back
to do 2019,
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I imagine that this would be
probably eight
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of these very large
three-ring binders
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just to fit everybody that
contacted us from that year.
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Crew: The Catholic Churchdidn´t change
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their child-protection policies
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because they gotthe Holy Spirit.
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They changed theirchild-protection policies
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because they got sued.
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And I believe the samefor the Boy Scouts.
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I did commercial litigationfor probably 25 years
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until I started workingon the Boy Scout cases.
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Good girl.
There you go.
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I know lots of Boy Scout
executives hate me
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and hate my firm.
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They were expecting
about 7,500 claimants,
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but the volume is much higher.
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The money that
they´ve put on the table,
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it amounts to about $6,000
for each survivor.
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So each one of our client
has to make a decision
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what this plan means for them.
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[ Insects chirping ]
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Humphrey: Looks like you´re
ready to go, sis.
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Okay. Move over.
Move over.
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I know.
Here we go.
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You ready?
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[ Engine starts ]
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It wasn´t like we were
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chained in some dungeon
somewhere being abused.
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We were coaxed
into different situations
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and, you know...
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out-thought,
taken advantage of.
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I mean, a predator
who´s a grown man.
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And a bunch of 12-year-olds?
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We didn´t have a chance.
[ Engine shuts off ]
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[ Duck call clicking ]
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[ Duck call clicking ]
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[ Duck call clicking ]
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It was happening
on every campout.
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It was happening
after chapter meetings.
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It was happening
in schools and churches.
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So, you know, it´s this contrast
between what everybody wants
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to believe about the world
that we see...
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And now looking in this lens
back through time, we see
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that, well, maybe
it wasn´t as perfect
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as we all thought it was.
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[ Geese honking ]
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A Scout is trustworthy, loyal,
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courteous, kind, obedient,
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helpful, thrifty, brave,
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clean, and reverent.
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I´m pretty sure I missed
something in there, but...
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"Obedient."
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I think that´s the one that got
a lot of Scouts in trouble.
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This is probably me
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in fifth, sixth,
and seventh grades.
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I spent those three years
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being abused
by my teacher Ted Alton.
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I think back at all of the times
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that I was abused
two, three, four times a week...
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at troop meetings,
in the car after troop meetings,
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in the jug-band practice room,
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on the foam mats
in the locker room,
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on camping trips,
winter trips, summer trips.
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I mean, the first time
I ever ejaculated
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was at the hands
of this Scoutmaster.
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You know,
it slowly became clear to me
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as I got older
and a little more mature
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that something was wrong,
something wasn´t right.
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I wanted to run away from it
as fast and as hard as I could.
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My hair fell out when I was 13,
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and I´ve been bald ever since.
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Honestly,
I´ve never put that together
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until probably
the last two or three years.
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Which -- Which seems,
like, really silly
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that, oh, you´ve been through
three years of abuse.
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I mean, my abuse was over
200 times in that three years.
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So, you know, the psyche
is an amazing thing.
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We can bury thoughts
and actions and activities
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that make us uncomfortable
as a preservation --
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self-preservation
kind of a thing.
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I think that´s
what happened to me.
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And I locked it away,
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never talked to anybody
for 50 years.
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♫♫
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I shut that door.
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I never let that door open,
ever.
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[ Birds calling ]
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I had no idea
how rampant and pervasive
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and how uncorrected it was.
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You know, I thought this was
something that happened to me
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and a few guys
when we were young.
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Until I read an article
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that had one of my classmates
in it.
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I looked him up on LinkedIn,
sent him a message.
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He called me
like 15 minutes later,
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and we spent three hours
on the phone.
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And that´s how I --
And then I, you know --
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I decided at that point
that I needed to get involved.
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♫♫
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Where´s our team?
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Man: Hey, Rich.
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There he is.
Man #2: Hey, guys.
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Chris,
how you doing, brother?
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Chris: Hey, I´m good, everyone.How y´all doing?
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Awesome.
Good, good.
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Jaquiss:
The people who are the victims
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and who are suing the Scoutscome from all 50 states.
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They don´t all have
the same lawyer.
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Many of their lawyers
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are completely at odds
with each other.
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Jaquiss:
So they speak with one voice
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through something calledthe Tort Claimants´ Committee.
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John Humphrey,the Dallas businessman,
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was elected to be their leader.
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Who would have imagined
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28,000 of them
would have been penetration?
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I mean, it just --
Who would have imagined
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there was $431 billion
of insurance?
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I mean...nobody.
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Jaquiss:
What this case boils down to
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is the Boy Scouts negotiatingwith victims,
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trying to arrive at some kind
of negotiated settlement.
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"How much are we going to
pay you and when?"
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Man: I keep hearingthat the insurance companies
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won´t back the Boy Scoutsif they knew about the problem.
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Man #2:
Those insurance companies
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that don´t wantany part of this
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are just going to litigatethe living fuck out of this...
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Yeah.
That could happen.
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You think so?Yeah. Yeah.
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Hey. Get some rest.
Alright, buddy.
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Appreciate you.
Have a good evening. Take care.
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♫♫
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[ Exhales deeply ]
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[ Bell clanging ]
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Kris:
♫ O, say, can you see ♫
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♫ By the dawn´s early light ♫
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I know I can hear myself
being flat.
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And that´s what I don´t like.
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I´ve been singing the bass part
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because there´s four
different parts to the song,
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which when you hear it
all together,
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it makes it sound good.
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♫ Whose broad stripesand bright stars ♫
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♫ Through the perilous fight ♫
333
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Yeah, I´m shaking, how nervous
I am singing in front of people.
334
00:17:59,249 --> 00:18:01,151
[ Breathes deeply ]
335
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Director:
Was Doug your Scoutmaster?
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Kris:
He was everyone´s Scoutmaster.
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Right after he was arrested,
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they started asking me stuffabout it.
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I´ve blocked out so much of him
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that I cannot really remember
what he´s like.
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00:18:20,531 --> 00:18:22,472
I can barely remember
what he looks like,
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´cause I blocked him out
so much.
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Part of me loves that.
I love that I blocked him out.
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A lot that -- I don´t remember
what he looks like.
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I don´t remember how he acted.
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I remember his smell,
and his smell was disgusting.
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But I don´t really remember
a lot of other stuff about him.
348
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Carolyn: You know somethingis wrong or off, but...
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You know,
he´s just not saying anything.
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He keeps everything to himself.
He´s always been that way.
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Um, couldn´t do anything
to help him,
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00:18:57,267 --> 00:18:59,369
but I knew something was wrong.
353
00:19:01,371 --> 00:19:04,214
[ Breathes deeply ]
354
00:19:04,214 --> 00:19:06,346
[ Wheels rolling ]
355
00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:10,320
[ Somber piano music plays ]
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00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:16,657
♫♫
357
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♫♫
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He wanted to bea police officer.
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And he was told that
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going through the Scouts
and everything
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00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,301
would be the best way to do it.
362
00:19:31,301 --> 00:19:32,603
So that was his goal.
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Matthew: She heard stories,
me telling her
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about what it was like
when I was a Scout.
Yeah. Yeah.
365
00:19:36,647 --> 00:19:39,950
I had a blast,
and I thrived in it.
366
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And they let Nathan join in
every now and then. Um...
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Matthew:
Nathan was their mascot untilhe was old enough to join.
368
00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:47,958
Carolyn: Yeah. Yeah.
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♫♫
370
00:19:51,391 --> 00:19:53,964
Carolyn: Kris had beengoing through such a hard time.
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00:19:53,964 --> 00:19:58,198
And Doug kept trying to --"Kris can stay with me."
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We thought that was normal.How are we supposed to know?
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We didn´t know.
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00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:04,805
We have a child molester
telling us what the rules are,
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00:20:04,805 --> 00:20:06,837
which, according to him,
there are none.
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Reporter: In early January,46-year-old Douglas Young
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entered a plea of no contestto the sexual abuse
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and exploitationof 10 young boys.
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Young was the boy´s Scoutmasterwho he met at a...
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Matthew:
Kris was still very adamant
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that that never happenedwith them.
382
00:20:22,352 --> 00:20:24,324
The boys won´t -- They don´t
want to talk about it at all.
383
00:20:24,324 --> 00:20:25,325
Yeah.
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00:20:27,728 --> 00:20:30,561
Carolyn: He would just go rightto his room when he came home.
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00:20:30,561 --> 00:20:33,463
I didn´t want to believethat it was true.
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00:20:33,463 --> 00:20:35,906
I-I really didn´t.
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00:20:36,867 --> 00:20:39,009
Matthew: Doug is actuallyat Snake River Penitentiary
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for the next --now 20 years.
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00:20:42,513 --> 00:20:46,316
You know,we got manipulated.
390
00:20:46,316 --> 00:20:48,278
We got groomed.
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We got --
We got played hard.
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Kris:
I mean, I´m 18.
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00:20:57,758 --> 00:20:59,890
I hate kind of, like,
saying like,
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"Oh, I´m a little slow in life
395
00:21:01,532 --> 00:21:03,363
because a lot of stuff
has happened to me."
396
00:21:03,363 --> 00:21:04,965
But I don´t know.
397
00:21:04,965 --> 00:21:09,339
I have -- I´ve not been doing
a lot of good in school...
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00:21:09,339 --> 00:21:11,502
I guess.
399
00:21:11,502 --> 00:21:13,874
Uh...okay.
400
00:21:13,874 --> 00:21:17,608
But...I´m living --
401
00:21:17,608 --> 00:21:19,550
I´m okay, I guess.
I don´t know.
402
00:21:20,951 --> 00:21:24,054
[ Sighs ]
403
00:21:24,054 --> 00:21:26,657
Kris: At first,
he was just a nice guy.
404
00:21:26,657 --> 00:21:28,559
I was living there.
405
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,891
And, like...
406
00:21:30,891 --> 00:21:33,494
it wasn´t even like a week
into me living there,
407
00:21:33,494 --> 00:21:35,295
and he started doing stuff.
408
00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:39,730
It was the night I got there,
he started doing stuff.
409
00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:41,331
The first thing that happened
410
00:21:41,331 --> 00:21:45,876
is he stuck his hand
down behind...
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00:21:45,876 --> 00:21:47,608
in my pants, like...
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00:21:47,608 --> 00:21:50,541
Uh, and...
413
00:21:50,541 --> 00:21:52,082
First thing that was
going through my head is,
414
00:21:52,082 --> 00:21:54,685
"What the fuck..."
Crap. I´m sorry.
415
00:21:54,685 --> 00:21:56,747
"What the hell is happening?
Why --
416
00:21:56,747 --> 00:21:59,790
Like, what is going on?"
417
00:21:59,790 --> 00:22:01,722
And, "Is this normal?"
418
00:22:01,722 --> 00:22:04,595
Because -- I don´t know.
419
00:22:04,595 --> 00:22:06,627
That´s kind of what
went through my head.
420
00:22:06,627 --> 00:22:08,599
Apologies for cussing.
421
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:12,933
[ Sighs ]
422
00:22:12,933 --> 00:22:15,606
It just --
It got much worse from that.
423
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,441
It progressed,
like, really fast.
424
00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:22,973
[ Groans ]
425
00:22:22,973 --> 00:22:25,475
I´d wake up
with him doing stuff.
426
00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,383
I know he used to take pictures,
as well.
427
00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:38,589
I don´t know
if every Boy Scout member
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00:22:38,589 --> 00:22:43,634
is, like, what Doug was, but...
429
00:22:43,634 --> 00:22:45,365
Uh...
430
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:49,439
I don´t really know
how to explain it, I guess.
431
00:22:52,442 --> 00:22:54,745
Director: When you say
"what Doug was," what was Doug?
432
00:22:54,745 --> 00:22:56,677
What do you mean?
Pedophile.
433
00:22:56,677 --> 00:22:58,448
I mean pedophile.
434
00:23:00,751 --> 00:23:03,554
It´s just kind of hard to say,
I guess,
435
00:23:03,554 --> 00:23:06,557
´cause it´s just --
It´s just that.
436
00:23:06,557 --> 00:23:08,118
[ somber music starts playing]
437
00:23:08,118 --> 00:23:12,092
♫♫
438
00:23:12,092 --> 00:23:15,065
You guys did nothing wrong.
Alright? Love you guys.
439
00:23:15,065 --> 00:23:17,467
I love you.
Love you too.
440
00:23:17,467 --> 00:23:21,431
♫♫
441
00:23:21,431 --> 00:23:24,705
[ light piano playing
over strings droning ]
442
00:23:24,705 --> 00:23:30,781
♫♫
443
00:23:30,781 --> 00:23:36,847
♫♫
444
00:23:36,847 --> 00:23:38,448
[ music intensifies ]
445
00:23:38,448 --> 00:23:40,490
I didn´t hear...
446
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:42,893
This is the first time
I´ve heard any of it.
447
00:23:42,893 --> 00:23:44,925
This is the most
he´s opened up.
Yeah.
448
00:23:44,925 --> 00:23:47,528
And it´s really hard right now.
Sorry.
449
00:23:47,528 --> 00:23:50,901
♫♫
450
00:23:50,901 --> 00:23:53,063
I don´t have
any more compassion.
451
00:23:53,063 --> 00:23:54,805
I really don´t.
452
00:23:54,805 --> 00:24:00,741
♫♫
453
00:24:00,741 --> 00:24:04,114
[Crying] I can´t believe that
he did those things to my son.
454
00:24:04,114 --> 00:24:07,548
♫♫
455
00:24:07,548 --> 00:24:10,651
And the Boy Scouts,
they don´t care.
456
00:24:10,651 --> 00:24:13,684
I mean, they´ve known
for so long
457
00:24:13,684 --> 00:24:14,985
the stuff that happens,
458
00:24:14,985 --> 00:24:17,528
and they haven´t done
a damn thing.
459
00:24:17,528 --> 00:24:20,961
♫♫
460
00:24:20,961 --> 00:24:24,965
I am so much more mad
than I was before.
461
00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:26,637
Oh, God.
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00:24:26,637 --> 00:24:34,705
♫♫
463
00:24:34,705 --> 00:24:36,246
[ Exhales shakily ]
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00:24:46,056 --> 00:24:50,521
Crew: The data is clear.The data is unmistakable.
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Nobody in the fielddisputes now
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00:24:53,724 --> 00:24:57,628
the long-term effectsof childhood sexual abuse.
467
00:24:57,628 --> 00:25:00,501
And they´re profound.
468
00:25:00,501 --> 00:25:03,103
And many of themgo through all of these issues,
469
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:04,675
all of these problems,
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00:25:04,675 --> 00:25:06,837
all of these strugglesas an adult.
471
00:25:06,837 --> 00:25:08,879
And they don´t really knowthat there´s a connection
472
00:25:08,879 --> 00:25:12,082
between that and somethingthat happened to them
473
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as a 10- oran 11-year-old child.
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00:25:16,747 --> 00:25:20,991
Every time they talk
about what happened,
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00:25:20,991 --> 00:25:26,627
it presents the possibility
of being retraumatized.
476
00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:29,830
It´s a delicate process
477
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:34,765
that has to be handled
with sensitivity.
478
00:25:34,765 --> 00:25:37,207
But we need to know
what happened,
479
00:25:37,207 --> 00:25:41,111
because the sexual abuse
of a child is a crime.
480
00:25:41,912 --> 00:25:45,616
It´s always been
a serious crime.
481
00:25:45,616 --> 00:25:50,681
It´s been a crime since
the existence of the Boy Scouts.
482
00:25:50,681 --> 00:25:56,256
♫♫
483
00:25:56,256 --> 00:26:00,661
Jaquiss: The Boy Scoutsof America started in 1910.
484
00:26:00,661 --> 00:26:03,894
Because the United Stateswas rapidly urbanizing,
485
00:26:03,894 --> 00:26:05,736
there were people who feared
486
00:26:05,736 --> 00:26:07,998
that boys were losing touchwith the out-of-doors,
487
00:26:07,998 --> 00:26:11,301
that they weren´t hardy enough,they weren´t robust enough.
488
00:26:11,301 --> 00:26:14,174
♫♫
489
00:26:14,174 --> 00:26:16,206
In the early days,Teddy Roosevelt
490
00:26:16,206 --> 00:26:19,079
was an enormous supporterof the Boy Scouts.
491
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,181
He, of course,was essentially the founder
492
00:26:21,181 --> 00:26:22,883
of the National Park System.
493
00:26:22,883 --> 00:26:24,955
He was a great outdoorsman.
494
00:26:24,955 --> 00:26:28,789
And in 1916, he helpedthe Boy Scouts of America
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00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:32,292
get a federalcongressional charter.
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00:26:32,292 --> 00:26:33,994
What the charter did
for the Boy Scouts
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00:26:33,994 --> 00:26:35,726
was basically give them
a monopoly,
498
00:26:35,726 --> 00:26:39,199
both on the name
and on the uniform.
499
00:26:39,199 --> 00:26:44,174
So it essentially cleared the
playing field of competition.
500
00:26:44,174 --> 00:26:46,176
And the Boy Scouts over time
kind of created
501
00:26:46,176 --> 00:26:49,880
their own private
National Park System.
502
00:26:50,911 --> 00:26:54,384
[ mysterious orchestra music
plays into a patriotic march ]
503
00:26:54,384 --> 00:26:59,650
♫♫
504
00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:01,852
Jaquiss:
The Boy Scouts of America
505
00:27:01,852 --> 00:27:06,857
made their name synonymous
with integrity and with service.
506
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Announcer:
Today, the Boy Scout Manual
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00:27:08,629 --> 00:27:11,962
is the handbook for democratic
youth the world over.
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00:27:11,962 --> 00:27:14,805
More than 10 million copies
have already been sold.
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♫♫
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00:27:17,037 --> 00:27:22,943
The year 1935 marks
the 25th birthday celebration
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00:27:22,943 --> 00:27:25,245
of the Boy Scouts of America,
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00:27:25,245 --> 00:27:28,148
a vital factor in American life.
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00:27:28,148 --> 00:27:35,225
♫♫
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00:27:35,225 --> 00:27:38,358
Janci: By 1935, the leadershipof the Boy Scouts
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00:27:38,358 --> 00:27:43,193
knew that pedophileswere using the Scouting program
516
00:27:43,193 --> 00:27:45,736
to abuse, you know, sometimes
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00:27:45,736 --> 00:27:48,769
dozens of boys in a troop
518
00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:51,441
starting back in the 1920s.
519
00:27:51,441 --> 00:27:54,244
They had identified
over a thousand men.
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00:27:54,244 --> 00:27:57,377
♫♫
521
00:27:57,377 --> 00:28:02,753
Jaquiss: The name of the list
was a little bit misleading.
522
00:28:02,753 --> 00:28:04,915
It might have led people
to believe
523
00:28:04,915 --> 00:28:08,819
that they were trying to root
out communists from their ranks.
524
00:28:08,819 --> 00:28:10,991
But the issue that
they really were trying
525
00:28:10,991 --> 00:28:15,696
to wrap their arms around
was pedophiles.
526
00:28:15,696 --> 00:28:18,298
Crew: The red flag list
was only available
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00:28:18,298 --> 00:28:23,373
to a very small, select group
of Boy Scout executives,
528
00:28:23,373 --> 00:28:28,408
and they protected the
confidentiality of those files
529
00:28:28,408 --> 00:28:30,380
very, very strictly.
530
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:34,414
Janci: When the Boy Scouts
put these names in their file,
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00:28:34,414 --> 00:28:37,147
they refused
to make those public.
532
00:28:37,147 --> 00:28:40,390
And the Boy Scouts
intentionally did not share
533
00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:42,493
this information
with law enforcement.
534
00:28:42,493 --> 00:28:46,296
♫♫
535
00:28:46,296 --> 00:28:49,429
The secrecy and the concealment
of the problem, I think,
536
00:28:49,429 --> 00:28:54,104
went directly to their concern
about damage to the reputation,
537
00:28:54,104 --> 00:28:58,208
damage to the Scouting brand,
damage to their image.
538
00:28:58,208 --> 00:29:03,243
♫♫
539
00:29:03,243 --> 00:29:05,445
Boy: Will there be
fossils in here?
540
00:29:05,445 --> 00:29:08,118
Man: Fossils? No.
I´m a fossil.
541
00:29:08,118 --> 00:29:09,379
[ Laughter ]
542
00:29:09,379 --> 00:29:12,282
Alright, Scouts.
Signs up.
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00:29:12,282 --> 00:29:17,327
Most importantly,
do not touch the paintings.
544
00:29:17,327 --> 00:29:20,430
This is an extremely valuable
collection.
545
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:23,233
All of the Norman Rockwell
Scout paintings
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00:29:23,233 --> 00:29:27,297
that are owned by the Boy Scouts
of America are displayed here.
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00:29:27,297 --> 00:29:30,340
About 65 of them.
Thank you. Alright.
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00:29:30,340 --> 00:29:31,842
And this is the first time
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00:29:31,842 --> 00:29:34,404
they´ve ever been shown
in one place.
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00:29:34,404 --> 00:29:36,346
Just remember, act like Scouts.
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00:29:36,346 --> 00:29:40,781
♫♫
552
00:29:40,781 --> 00:29:42,212
[ Indistinct conversations ]
553
00:29:42,212 --> 00:29:45,185
[ Electric guitar slightly
picking strings ]
554
00:29:45,185 --> 00:29:48,018
♫♫
555
00:29:48,018 --> 00:29:51,421
Now, I want to tell you
about the Scoutmaster painting.
556
00:29:51,421 --> 00:29:55,325
This Scoutmaster posed,
and these kids in the tent
557
00:29:55,325 --> 00:29:58,869
made sure that their faces
were turned out.
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00:29:58,869 --> 00:30:03,003
Jaquiss: Rockwell workedfor the Boy Scouts from 1913,
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00:30:03,003 --> 00:30:07,007
when he was 19 years old,until the mid-1970s.
560
00:30:07,007 --> 00:30:11,041
♫♫
561
00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:13,914
I think one of the reasonshe was so successful is his art
562
00:30:13,914 --> 00:30:18,949
is very accessible to people,even to young children.
563
00:30:18,949 --> 00:30:22,222
The collection is on displayin Warren, Ohio,
564
00:30:22,222 --> 00:30:25,455
and small-town Americawas the backbone of Scouting.
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00:30:25,455 --> 00:30:27,257
♫♫
566
00:30:27,257 --> 00:30:29,029
When I was young,
567
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:31,331
my family lived nearNorman Rockwell´s studio,
568
00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:34,264
and a family friendwas his photographer,
569
00:30:34,264 --> 00:30:38,308
so I was actually invitedto pose for Rockwell.
570
00:30:38,308 --> 00:30:41,311
He was a kind, nice person.
571
00:30:41,311 --> 00:30:44,344
And, you know,I was clean-cut and smiley
572
00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:46,547
and sort of the all-Americankind of boy
573
00:30:46,547 --> 00:30:49,279
that Rockwell used in so manyof his Scout paintings.
574
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,283
♫♫
575
00:30:53,283 --> 00:30:55,556
In a lot of ways,going to see these paintings
576
00:30:55,556 --> 00:31:00,490
feels like a returnto my experience, to my youth.
577
00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:03,463
[ Indistinct conversations ]
578
00:31:03,463 --> 00:31:05,536
Man:
Any other questions?
579
00:31:05,536 --> 00:31:07,237
Child:
Isn´t that Norman Rockwell --
580
00:31:07,237 --> 00:31:09,399
Oh, I´m sorry.
I should have told you that.
581
00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:13,143
That is Norman Rockwell
in his Scout uniform
582
00:31:13,143 --> 00:31:15,145
painting himself,
a self-portrait,
583
00:31:15,145 --> 00:31:16,647
into the painting.
584
00:31:16,647 --> 00:31:18,979
Thank you
for pointing it out.
585
00:31:18,979 --> 00:31:21,552
Solomon:
He was a great storyteller,
586
00:31:21,552 --> 00:31:23,253
but instead of making movies,
587
00:31:23,253 --> 00:31:24,454
he told his story
588
00:31:24,454 --> 00:31:26,486
in a single frame.
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00:31:28,058 --> 00:31:30,190
Rockwell early on became known
590
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:34,324
for his illustrations of boys,
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00:31:34,324 --> 00:31:37,267
especially boys
getting in trouble.
592
00:31:37,267 --> 00:31:38,629
They would go swimming
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00:31:38,629 --> 00:31:42,072
in places where they
weren´t supposed to swim.
594
00:31:42,072 --> 00:31:45,005
They would play hooky
from school.
595
00:31:45,005 --> 00:31:47,538
They would get in trouble.
596
00:31:47,538 --> 00:31:49,540
But when Rockwell worked
for the Scouts,
597
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:52,613
the boys no longer
got in trouble.
598
00:31:52,613 --> 00:31:55,145
His Scouts were very obedient.
599
00:31:55,145 --> 00:31:57,688
They never misbehaved.
600
00:31:57,688 --> 00:32:00,591
You never see Scouts
without their shoes.
601
00:32:00,591 --> 00:32:03,494
They´re always following
the rules.
602
00:32:03,494 --> 00:32:07,127
Basically, the Scouts
micromanaged him.
603
00:32:07,127 --> 00:32:10,561
They kept a very close watch
on what he was painting,
604
00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:14,304
and they rejected
many of his subjects.
605
00:32:14,304 --> 00:32:16,166
In one painting, for instance,
606
00:32:16,166 --> 00:32:18,368
Rockwell wanted to
paint raindrops
607
00:32:18,368 --> 00:32:20,611
on the Scout´s uniform,
608
00:32:20,611 --> 00:32:23,974
and the Scouts said,
"We can´t have a wet uniform."
609
00:32:25,345 --> 00:32:27,117
In the Scout paintings,
610
00:32:27,117 --> 00:32:32,282
Rockwell created a very
sanitized version of boyhood,
611
00:32:32,282 --> 00:32:36,326
in which boyhood is robbed
of its roughed edges
612
00:32:36,326 --> 00:32:40,731
and presented as a very neat
and patriotic package.
613
00:32:40,731 --> 00:32:43,193
♫♫
614
00:32:43,193 --> 00:32:45,335
President Kennedy:
I strongly believe in Scouting.
615
00:32:45,335 --> 00:32:47,498
I think it´s a source
of great strength to us.
616
00:32:47,498 --> 00:32:51,171
I´m very appreciative to all
the adults who give leadership.
617
00:32:51,171 --> 00:32:53,373
I would recommend it
to the sons and daughters
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00:32:53,373 --> 00:32:55,245
of every American family
619
00:32:55,245 --> 00:32:58,208
as a important ingredient
of our national strength.
620
00:32:59,209 --> 00:33:01,712
Jaquiss: The first president
who actually was a scout
621
00:33:01,712 --> 00:33:04,214
was John F. Kennedy.
622
00:33:04,214 --> 00:33:06,186
He was young. He was handsome.
623
00:33:06,186 --> 00:33:09,089
He was bold. He was a war hero.
624
00:33:09,089 --> 00:33:12,362
So he was really
a marketing coup
625
00:33:12,362 --> 00:33:14,064
for the Boy Scouts.
626
00:33:15,365 --> 00:33:18,068
Glenn:
On my honor, I will do my best
627
00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:21,502
to do my duty to Godand my country
628
00:33:21,502 --> 00:33:24,074
and to obey the Scout Law.
629
00:33:24,074 --> 00:33:25,676
I´m John Glenn.
630
00:33:25,676 --> 00:33:28,138
Most of the time,
I am learning more about
631
00:33:28,138 --> 00:33:30,741
how to explore outer space.
632
00:33:30,741 --> 00:33:32,312
In my spare time, though,
633
00:33:32,312 --> 00:33:35,015
I explore the outdoors
with the Boy Scouts.
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00:33:35,015 --> 00:33:36,486
Jaquiss:
The Boy Scouts really had
635
00:33:36,486 --> 00:33:39,489
their greatest decadein the ´60s.
636
00:33:39,489 --> 00:33:41,021
They had become
637
00:33:41,021 --> 00:33:42,723
part of the fabric of America.
638
00:33:44,625 --> 00:33:47,427
President Nixon: Scouts give
leadership to the whole nation,
639
00:33:47,427 --> 00:33:50,531
to leave every place he goes
a little bit better
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00:33:50,531 --> 00:33:52,332
for the people that follow him.
641
00:33:52,332 --> 00:33:55,435
Armstrong: That´s onesmall step for a man...
642
00:33:55,435 --> 00:33:58,468
one giant leap for mankind.
643
00:33:58,468 --> 00:34:00,811
Jaquiss: Neil Armstrong
was an Eagle Scout,
644
00:34:00,811 --> 00:34:04,545
and he actually called out
from space
645
00:34:04,545 --> 00:34:06,677
to the National Jamboree.
646
00:34:06,677 --> 00:34:08,579
Armstrong:
I´d like to say hello
647
00:34:08,579 --> 00:34:11,652
to all my fellow Scoutsand Scouters
648
00:34:11,652 --> 00:34:14,154
at Farragut State Parkin Idaho.
649
00:34:14,154 --> 00:34:16,456
They´re havingthe National Jamboree.
650
00:34:16,456 --> 00:34:20,691
Jaquiss: I began to see that
this was an archetypal story,
651
00:34:20,691 --> 00:34:22,462
not just about the Boy Scouts,
652
00:34:22,462 --> 00:34:25,736
but it was really a story
about America.
653
00:34:25,736 --> 00:34:30,440
♫♫
654
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,304
The Boy Scouts were just
this extraordinary institution
655
00:34:34,304 --> 00:34:37,307
that had run up on the rocks,
656
00:34:37,307 --> 00:34:38,849
and I really wanted to know why.
657
00:34:38,849 --> 00:34:40,350
How´d they wreck this ship
658
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:42,683
that seemed like it was sailing
659
00:34:42,683 --> 00:34:44,855
in -- in calm waters
660
00:34:44,855 --> 00:34:48,158
for most of its history?
661
00:34:48,158 --> 00:34:49,459
And all of a sudden, it´s got a
662
00:34:49,459 --> 00:34:50,691
big hole beneath the waterline.
663
00:34:50,691 --> 00:34:52,192
How´d that happen?
664
00:34:52,192 --> 00:34:54,825
Brokaw:
Tonight, our continued report
665
00:34:54,825 --> 00:34:56,697
is on a story that came out
666
00:34:56,697 --> 00:34:59,329
of the Boy Scouts of America
headquarters earlier this week.
667
00:34:59,329 --> 00:35:02,603
Of all things, it involved
cheating by Scout officials.
668
00:35:02,603 --> 00:35:04,474
Scout membership figures
were padded
669
00:35:04,474 --> 00:35:06,807
to qualify for additional
federal funds.
670
00:35:06,807 --> 00:35:09,409
Until the scandal broke,
it was not widely known
671
00:35:09,409 --> 00:35:11,812
that the Boy Scouts
were receiving federal aid,
672
00:35:11,812 --> 00:35:13,544
and certainly
the idea of cheating
673
00:35:13,544 --> 00:35:16,246
was totally inconsistent
with the Boy Scout image.
674
00:35:16,246 --> 00:35:19,189
So Fred Briggs looked further
into the situation.
675
00:35:19,189 --> 00:35:21,822
The membership rolls
show that Chicago still has
676
00:35:21,822 --> 00:35:24,625
the largest single Scout Council
in the country.
677
00:35:24,625 --> 00:35:26,497
However, critics say
those membership rolls
678
00:35:26,497 --> 00:35:28,398
tend to lie once in a while,
679
00:35:28,398 --> 00:35:32,162
especially when it comes to
Scout troops in the inner city.
680
00:35:32,162 --> 00:35:33,463
Briggs:
This is one example,
681
00:35:33,463 --> 00:35:35,566
a housing project
on the South Side.
682
00:35:35,566 --> 00:35:38,639
In 1971,
the books listed 800 boys
683
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,771
as members of
a Scout troop here.
684
00:35:40,771 --> 00:35:44,414
But when meetings were held,
as few as 30 showed up.
685
00:35:44,414 --> 00:35:46,476
Inner-city Scout groups
are subsidized
686
00:35:46,476 --> 00:35:48,418
by federal poverty funds.
687
00:35:48,418 --> 00:35:51,381
The Chicago Council
now admits registration figures
688
00:35:51,381 --> 00:35:54,384
were inflated by as much as 40%.
689
00:35:54,384 --> 00:35:58,258
We constantly are auditing
our membership,
690
00:35:58,258 --> 00:36:01,592
trying to watch for membership
that is not active,
691
00:36:01,592 --> 00:36:03,934
where the leader may have moved
out of the community and so on.
692
00:36:03,934 --> 00:36:05,936
Briggs: The Chicago Council
admitted this week
693
00:36:05,936 --> 00:36:07,568
that five staff members
694
00:36:07,568 --> 00:36:09,870
have been fired
for padding registrations.
695
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:13,804
Similar crackdowns occurred in
Tulsa, Detroit, and Fort Worth.
696
00:36:13,804 --> 00:36:15,646
♫♫
697
00:36:15,646 --> 00:36:19,249
In 1968, the Scouts launched
a massive registration drive
698
00:36:19,249 --> 00:36:22,813
to sign up 2 million new members
by 1976.
699
00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:24,915
That may have been the cause
of the padding --
700
00:36:24,915 --> 00:36:27,257
sheer pressure for numbers.
701
00:36:27,257 --> 00:36:30,220
Vice President Gerald Ford,
who was in Chicago yesterday
702
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:33,494
for a Scout fundraiser,
said the misdeeds of a few
703
00:36:33,494 --> 00:36:36,697
can´t affect the overall success
of Scouting.
704
00:36:36,697 --> 00:36:39,299
Officials of the Scouts
are cleaning house now,
705
00:36:39,299 --> 00:36:42,773
hoping to avoid
any future misdeeds.
706
00:36:42,773 --> 00:36:44,875
♫♫
707
00:36:44,875 --> 00:36:49,580
Jaquiss: Boys are the lifeblood
of the Boy Scouts of America.
708
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:52,583
The Scouts depend on dues
from those boys
709
00:36:52,583 --> 00:36:54,484
and from volunteer leaders.
710
00:36:54,484 --> 00:36:56,987
That´s where their revenue
comes from.
711
00:36:56,987 --> 00:36:59,590
They sell them uniforms.
They sell them handbooks.
712
00:36:59,590 --> 00:37:03,694
They send them to summer camp.
That all brings in money.
713
00:37:03,694 --> 00:37:07,528
If your numbers are declining
and your revenue is dependent
714
00:37:07,528 --> 00:37:10,561
on recruiting new members,
you´ve got a problem.
715
00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:12,563
[ Ball bouncing ]
716
00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:20,541
♫♫
717
00:37:20,541 --> 00:37:23,614
[ Man shouts indistinctly,
metal clanking ]
718
00:37:30,751 --> 00:37:35,355
Lord: Developing my bodyand my athleticism,
719
00:37:35,355 --> 00:37:38,629
it´s another wayof protecting myself,
720
00:37:38,629 --> 00:37:41,862
to make sure that no oneis going to harm me.
721
00:37:43,794 --> 00:37:45,796
I get to own that.
722
00:37:51,371 --> 00:37:53,443
[ Metal clangs ]
723
00:37:53,443 --> 00:37:55,606
When I was in elementaryschool, Scouting was --
724
00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:58,008
You know, they recruited.
725
00:37:58,008 --> 00:38:02,713
I was involved in Scoutingfrom 11 until 19, 20.
726
00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:05,616
And during the summers,I went to Boy Scout camp.
727
00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:09,389
Some people would get homesick,
and they´d want to leave camp.
728
00:38:09,389 --> 00:38:12,723
I´d get camp-sick. I wanted
to be in camp every summer.
729
00:38:12,723 --> 00:38:18,929
♫♫
730
00:38:18,929 --> 00:38:23,003
A Boy Scout is trustworthy.
And so I trusted everyone.
731
00:38:23,003 --> 00:38:25,776
♫♫
732
00:38:25,776 --> 00:38:28,909
I trusted people would do
the right thing.
733
00:38:28,909 --> 00:38:31,982
And I trusted
that people would...
734
00:38:31,982 --> 00:38:34,745
know that something was wrong.
735
00:38:34,745 --> 00:38:39,850
And I trusted people
that they would intervene.
736
00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:44,655
Why didn´t someone take up
for me?
737
00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,858
They knew Lonnie Barnes.
738
00:38:47,858 --> 00:38:49,830
Jaquiss:
Who´s Lonnie Barnes?
739
00:38:57,538 --> 00:39:01,411
Lonnie Barnes was, uh...
740
00:39:01,411 --> 00:39:03,113
the Scout leader...
741
00:39:03,113 --> 00:39:07,047
who...I trusted, right?
742
00:39:07,047 --> 00:39:09,379
Who was the assistant
Scoutmaster
743
00:39:09,379 --> 00:39:11,682
of the troop I participated in.
744
00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:16,987
Lonnie Barnes was never at camp,
so camp was a safe place for me.
745
00:39:18,889 --> 00:39:23,894
But one year, he...
he was hired at camp.
746
00:39:23,894 --> 00:39:27,998
And I knew what --
I knew what he was doing to me.
747
00:39:27,998 --> 00:39:30,370
And I knew --
I could see the signs
748
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:32,903
what he was doing to other boys.
749
00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:34,875
And, uh...
750
00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:38,849
He didn´t last at camp
more than a week.
751
00:39:38,849 --> 00:39:41,111
And he got fired.
752
00:39:41,111 --> 00:39:43,784
And it was, like, one of
the best days of my life.
753
00:39:45,455 --> 00:39:48,418
He was rushed out of camp.
754
00:39:48,418 --> 00:39:51,892
They said they found a liquor
bottle outside of his tent.
755
00:39:51,892 --> 00:39:55,726
And I´m thinking to myself,
"Hell no.
756
00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:57,598
Hell no."
757
00:39:57,598 --> 00:40:00,571
Lonnie Barnes went and touched
one of those boys.
758
00:40:00,571 --> 00:40:02,633
♫♫
759
00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:04,975
And they decided,
760
00:40:04,975 --> 00:40:08,739
"We can just get this
out of here,
761
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:11,712
end of story, end of the case."
762
00:40:11,712 --> 00:40:14,515
He left camp,
but he was still in Scouting
763
00:40:14,515 --> 00:40:17,918
the rest of my whole
Scouting career.
764
00:40:17,918 --> 00:40:20,951
It did not affect
his participation at all
765
00:40:20,951 --> 00:40:23,053
in the program.
766
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:26,527
And he was the one
who told me that...
767
00:40:26,527 --> 00:40:31,061
if I told anyone,
then he would kill me.
768
00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:32,933
♫♫
769
00:40:32,933 --> 00:40:36,837
But there´s one person I trusted
that I could tell.
770
00:40:36,837 --> 00:40:40,741
And I got the courage.
And I rehearsed it. I rehearsed.
771
00:40:40,741 --> 00:40:44,545
"Mom, Mr. Barnes
is not a good guy,
772
00:40:44,545 --> 00:40:46,947
and he´s doing these bad things
to me."
773
00:40:46,947 --> 00:40:50,681
And my mom woke up that morning,
774
00:40:50,681 --> 00:40:54,725
and she was stumbling around
and she had a stroke.
775
00:40:54,725 --> 00:40:58,589
My mom died,
and the person that I got
776
00:40:58,589 --> 00:41:01,992
the courage to tell...
I couldn´t tell.
777
00:41:01,992 --> 00:41:07,197
I went back into deeper silence
and promised to tell no one.
778
00:41:08,499 --> 00:41:12,973
I´m 40 years old
before I -- I tell someone.
779
00:41:12,973 --> 00:41:15,245
♫♫
780
00:41:15,245 --> 00:41:18,679
I had all this anger
built up in my life,
781
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,551
and I needed to do something
with it.
782
00:41:20,551 --> 00:41:25,115
And so I went down to
New Rochelle Police Station.
783
00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:29,860
And when the detective
contacted me -- And he says,
784
00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:32,723
"Lonnie Barnes has confessed
to abusing you."
785
00:41:34,925 --> 00:41:39,199
I must have read that e-mail
a hundred times.
786
00:41:42,703 --> 00:41:46,236
Because I no longer had to prove
to people that I was abused.
787
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,012
I was free!
788
00:41:58,989 --> 00:42:01,922
But do we just stop
with the truth...
789
00:42:01,922 --> 00:42:06,527
or do we move toward
restoration, restoring justice?
790
00:42:06,527 --> 00:42:08,058
♫♫
791
00:42:08,058 --> 00:42:10,130
With the settlement
and everything,
792
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:12,002
it´s the full circle.
793
00:42:13,734 --> 00:42:16,036
[ Bells tolling ]
794
00:42:23,243 --> 00:42:27,778
Eternal God and whose mercy
is endless...
795
00:42:27,778 --> 00:42:30,881
and the treasury of compassion
inexhaustible,
796
00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:34,685
look kindly upon us
and increase Your mercy in us,
797
00:42:34,685 --> 00:42:37,187
that in difficult moments
we might not despair,
798
00:42:37,187 --> 00:42:41,291
nor become despondent,
but with great confidence
799
00:42:41,291 --> 00:42:44,194
submit ourselves
to Your holy will,
800
00:42:44,194 --> 00:42:47,267
which is love and mercy
itself.
Amen.
801
00:42:47,267 --> 00:42:51,602
We bind all these victims
to this chaplet.
802
00:42:51,602 --> 00:42:53,574
In the name of the Father
and of the Son
803
00:42:53,574 --> 00:42:54,845
and of the Holy Spirit.
804
00:42:54,845 --> 00:42:56,206
Amen.
Amen.
805
00:42:59,109 --> 00:43:01,582
[ Haunting music plays ]
806
00:43:05,856 --> 00:43:07,988
[ Music continues, bell chimes ]
807
00:43:07,988 --> 00:43:13,123
♫♫
808
00:43:13,123 --> 00:43:15,726
[ Music continues, bell chimes ]
809
00:43:15,726 --> 00:43:22,172
♫♫
810
00:43:22,172 --> 00:43:24,905
[ Music continues, bell chimes ]
811
00:43:24,905 --> 00:43:27,878
♫♫
812
00:43:27,878 --> 00:43:30,811
It´s funny because I have
the camera that took that movie.
813
00:43:30,811 --> 00:43:33,844
[ Music continues,
bells chiming ]
814
00:43:33,844 --> 00:43:40,390
♫♫
815
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:47,127
♫♫
816
00:43:47,127 --> 00:43:50,160
And you can still hear
the noise.
817
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,132
[ Camera whirring ]
818
00:43:52,132 --> 00:43:57,768
♫♫
819
00:43:57,768 --> 00:44:00,110
I grew up in Brooklyn,
820
00:44:00,110 --> 00:44:04,114
and my father died
when I was 2.
821
00:44:05,846 --> 00:44:08,148
I was a tough kid.
822
00:44:08,148 --> 00:44:10,420
At 7 or 8 years old,
I started smoking.
823
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:13,183
I started hanging out
on the street.
824
00:44:13,183 --> 00:44:18,158
♫♫
825
00:44:18,158 --> 00:44:22,192
I could get on a subway
and go into the city.
826
00:44:22,192 --> 00:44:24,835
My mother,
she didn´t know where I was.
827
00:44:24,835 --> 00:44:32,102
♫♫
828
00:44:32,102 --> 00:44:36,046
So she took a Boy Scout leader
off to the side and said,
829
00:44:36,046 --> 00:44:38,949
"My son doesn´t have a father.
830
00:44:38,949 --> 00:44:42,052
If you could just pay
a little attention to him."
831
00:44:44,885 --> 00:44:46,687
Um...
832
00:44:47,988 --> 00:44:53,463
♫♫
833
00:44:53,463 --> 00:44:56,767
I buried my face
in a -- in a pillow
834
00:44:56,767 --> 00:44:59,930
and thought, "Please, God.
Let this be over.
835
00:44:59,930 --> 00:45:01,802
Let this be over."
836
00:45:01,802 --> 00:45:04,474
♫♫
837
00:45:04,474 --> 00:45:07,207
Why didn´t I say something?
Why didn´t I go to somebody?
838
00:45:07,207 --> 00:45:08,839
Why didn´t I tell my mother?
839
00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:11,041
Why didn´t I -- I don´t know --
go to the police?
840
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:14,114
Go to the Boy Scouts?
841
00:45:14,114 --> 00:45:15,886
Fear.
842
00:45:15,886 --> 00:45:18,488
Um, embarrassment.
843
00:45:18,488 --> 00:45:21,852
Shame.
844
00:45:21,852 --> 00:45:24,825
I allowed myself to be charmed
845
00:45:24,825 --> 00:45:27,257
by this young man...
846
00:45:28,428 --> 00:45:32,863
...and as a friend, as a mentor,
as a big brother...
847
00:45:32,863 --> 00:45:35,265
♫♫
848
00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,768
...and gave him reason to think
849
00:45:37,768 --> 00:45:39,870
that he could get away with it,
I guess,
850
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:41,812
´cause, again,
it wasn´t violent.
851
00:45:41,812 --> 00:45:46,316
He didn´t --
He didn´t threaten to kill me.
852
00:45:46,316 --> 00:45:50,080
He was just telling me,
"Be quiet. Be quiet."
853
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,753
♫♫
854
00:45:52,753 --> 00:45:57,287
I didn´t do what I should have
done as a normal...
855
00:45:57,287 --> 00:45:59,089
human being.
856
00:45:59,089 --> 00:46:07,437
♫♫
857
00:46:07,437 --> 00:46:15,946
♫♫
858
00:46:15,946 --> 00:46:18,378
Hamilton:
What is the problem here?
859
00:46:18,378 --> 00:46:21,281
The problem is the model.
860
00:46:21,281 --> 00:46:25,185
If you have children thatare going into the wilderness
861
00:46:25,185 --> 00:46:30,991
and you have very few adults,it´s really easy to abuse them.
862
00:46:30,991 --> 00:46:32,893
♫♫
863
00:46:32,893 --> 00:46:35,325
The opportunities
for pedophiles
864
00:46:35,325 --> 00:46:40,030
in the Boy Scout model
are rampant,
865
00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:43,373
and so, um,
no one should be surprised.
866
00:46:43,373 --> 00:46:47,037
And what they needed to start
thinking about decades ago
867
00:46:47,037 --> 00:46:49,439
was what to do about the model.
868
00:46:51,211 --> 00:46:53,183
So, this is the sign
at the entrance
869
00:46:53,183 --> 00:46:55,315
of Camp Meriwether,
870
00:46:55,315 --> 00:47:00,020
Cascade Pacific Council´s
summer camp for boys.
871
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:02,292
It´s kind of the crown jewel
872
00:47:02,292 --> 00:47:06,927
of the Cascade Pacific Council´s
properties,
873
00:47:06,927 --> 00:47:12,402
an 800-acre Boy Scout camp
founded in 1926.
874
00:47:12,402 --> 00:47:14,164
It runs along two miles
875
00:47:14,164 --> 00:47:17,237
of beautiful,
unobstructed beach.
876
00:47:17,237 --> 00:47:19,940
♫♫
877
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:23,343
The Scouts and the Scout program
on its face
878
00:47:23,343 --> 00:47:28,979
and on paper is really
what every boy, you know, wants.
879
00:47:28,979 --> 00:47:32,322
It´s adventure.
It´s being out in the woods.
880
00:47:32,322 --> 00:47:35,626
It´s self-reliance.
It´s learning skills.
881
00:47:35,626 --> 00:47:38,859
But often
you´re in a remote place
882
00:47:38,859 --> 00:47:41,992
where there´s no one
you can go to for help.
883
00:47:41,992 --> 00:47:46,867
And so the Boy Scouts program
really had built into it
884
00:47:46,867 --> 00:47:50,070
this very attractive system
885
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:53,073
for pedophiles
to get close to boys.
886
00:47:53,073 --> 00:47:56,006
♫♫
887
00:47:56,006 --> 00:47:59,409
The Cascade Pacific Council
has had numerous cases
888
00:47:59,409 --> 00:48:03,413
brought against them
for sexual abuse of Scouts.
889
00:48:03,413 --> 00:48:05,485
And a number of those cases
890
00:48:05,485 --> 00:48:08,088
happened at Camp Meriwether
itself.
891
00:48:08,088 --> 00:48:11,361
♫♫
892
00:48:11,361 --> 00:48:15,425
There´s no question that
the core activities of Scouting
893
00:48:15,425 --> 00:48:17,167
involved secluding boys
894
00:48:17,167 --> 00:48:19,229
and isolating them
away from their parents,
895
00:48:19,229 --> 00:48:22,903
away from the adults that
would otherwise protect them
896
00:48:22,903 --> 00:48:25,906
and using that opportunity
to sexually abuse them.
897
00:48:25,906 --> 00:48:28,038
♫♫
898
00:48:28,038 --> 00:48:30,581
The Boy Scouts
had to know that pattern.
899
00:48:30,581 --> 00:48:33,443
We know they knew
about that pattern
900
00:48:33,443 --> 00:48:37,447
because they had created
secret internal files
901
00:48:37,447 --> 00:48:40,220
documenting everything
that was known
902
00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:42,422
about these
pedophile Scout leaders.
903
00:48:48,499 --> 00:48:50,230
Dr. Warren:
If you´re going to predict
904
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:52,332
what somebody´s likely to do,
905
00:48:52,332 --> 00:48:54,935
you can simply look
at what they´ve done previously,
906
00:48:54,935 --> 00:48:57,107
and the pattern, it will emerge.
907
00:48:58,108 --> 00:49:02,573
I began working with BSA
12 or 13 years ago.
908
00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:06,617
They said,
"Oh, we have some files."
909
00:49:06,617 --> 00:49:09,419
They were referred to
as "the perversion files."
910
00:49:09,419 --> 00:49:11,622
♫♫
911
00:49:11,622 --> 00:49:14,424
I´m used to studying forms
of violent crime
912
00:49:14,424 --> 00:49:16,356
where I have police records
913
00:49:16,356 --> 00:49:19,089
and FBI interviews
and crime-scene photos.
914
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:25,365
What arrived was somewhat
disorganized materials.
915
00:49:25,365 --> 00:49:31,171
So I began picking them out at
random and looking through them.
916
00:49:31,171 --> 00:49:35,646
And they had started
being collected in about 1922.
917
00:49:35,646 --> 00:49:39,980
The smallest file
is one page long.
918
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:43,313
The longest file
is 917 pages long.
919
00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:46,056
♫♫
920
00:49:46,056 --> 00:49:51,391
It was not sophisticated,
scientific information
921
00:49:51,391 --> 00:49:54,625
that you would generate
or collect to do research.
922
00:49:56,166 --> 00:49:58,298
A lot of it was like,
how tall is a person?
923
00:49:58,298 --> 00:50:00,130
What color is their eyes?
924
00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:02,002
What do they like to do?
What is their job?
925
00:50:02,002 --> 00:50:05,275
Do they have a wife
and children?
926
00:50:05,275 --> 00:50:07,538
Because the purpose of the file
927
00:50:07,538 --> 00:50:11,241
was not to accomplish
any kind of research goal,
928
00:50:11,241 --> 00:50:13,544
but really be able to identify
the person
929
00:50:13,544 --> 00:50:15,746
if they tried to get back
into the Boy Scouts.
930
00:50:15,746 --> 00:50:19,449
Lawyer: Do you remember
the names of any of the kids
931
00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:21,221
that were involved
in Troop 719
932
00:50:21,221 --> 00:50:24,595
when you were
assistant Scoutmaster?
933
00:50:24,595 --> 00:50:26,527
[ Speaks indistinctly, laughs ]
934
00:50:28,729 --> 00:50:31,301
Mind just went blank.
Lawyer: Okay.
935
00:50:31,301 --> 00:50:34,104
Um, I could probably name
all the ones that were there.
936
00:50:34,104 --> 00:50:36,206
The names that you gave me,
I don´t know.
937
00:50:36,206 --> 00:50:38,108
Lawyer: Let me give you
some of their names
938
00:50:38,108 --> 00:50:40,541
and see if these
ring any bells.
939
00:50:40,541 --> 00:50:43,043
My mind just went blank.
It just shut down.
940
00:50:43,043 --> 00:50:44,174
Lawyer:
Kerry Lewis?
941
00:50:44,174 --> 00:50:47,317
Yes, I remember
the name.
942
00:50:47,317 --> 00:50:49,449
Crew: I´ve deposedlots of pedophiles
943
00:50:49,449 --> 00:50:52,052
who were Scoutmasters,who abused Scouts,
944
00:50:52,052 --> 00:50:53,654
who have admitted it and said,
945
00:50:53,654 --> 00:50:55,556
"That´s why I joined.
946
00:50:55,556 --> 00:50:59,159
I joined the troop because
I wanted to have sex with boys,
947
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,692
and that´s where the boys were."
948
00:51:01,692 --> 00:51:04,164
Reporter: In a Portland,Oregon, courtroom,
949
00:51:04,164 --> 00:51:07,267
the witness, identifiedas Jack Doe Number 4,
950
00:51:07,267 --> 00:51:08,769
testifies uneasily
951
00:51:08,769 --> 00:51:11,702
about being an 11-year-oldBoy Scout
952
00:51:11,702 --> 00:51:14,344
alone with his troop leaderIn 1983.
953
00:51:19,479 --> 00:51:22,513
Crew: Kerry Lewis
was sexually abused
954
00:51:22,513 --> 00:51:28,288
by his Scoutmaster, Timur Dykes.
955
00:51:28,288 --> 00:51:32,823
I think there were 20
or 21 members of that troop.
956
00:51:32,823 --> 00:51:36,697
18 of them were sexually abused
by Timur Dykes.
957
00:51:36,697 --> 00:51:38,328
Lawyer: Let me give you
some other names
958
00:51:38,328 --> 00:51:39,770
and tell me
the kids you remember.
959
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:41,502
[Bleep]
960
00:51:41,502 --> 00:51:43,333
Yes.
961
00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:44,675
[Bleep]
962
00:51:44,675 --> 00:51:46,637
Mm, yes.
963
00:51:46,637 --> 00:51:48,809
[Bleep]
964
00:51:55,385 --> 00:51:56,587
Yes.
965
00:51:56,587 --> 00:51:59,389
♫♫
966
00:51:59,389 --> 00:52:02,553
Jaquiss: Over the years, there
have been a number of lawsuits
967
00:52:02,553 --> 00:52:07,257
against the Scouts
alleging sexual abuse.
968
00:52:07,257 --> 00:52:08,799
In the late 1980s,
969
00:52:08,799 --> 00:52:12,503
the Boy Scouts were sued
regularly,
970
00:52:12,503 --> 00:52:15,666
but the Boy Scouts
never went to trial.
971
00:52:15,666 --> 00:52:19,409
They always settled.
972
00:52:19,409 --> 00:52:21,642
But in this case,
they decided to go to trial.
973
00:52:23,544 --> 00:52:25,175
The lawyers for Kerry Lewis
said,
974
00:52:25,175 --> 00:52:27,918
"Hey, we hear
there are these files.
975
00:52:27,918 --> 00:52:31,421
We want them to be brought
into evidence."
976
00:52:31,421 --> 00:52:33,684
Janci:
There was some information
977
00:52:33,684 --> 00:52:35,786
in certain dark, you know,
corners that,
978
00:52:35,786 --> 00:52:37,888
"Oh, these files may exist."
979
00:52:37,888 --> 00:52:39,860
But almost no one
980
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:43,163
had ever been able to obtain
the files in litigation,
981
00:52:43,163 --> 00:52:45,496
and no one had ever been able
to make them public.
982
00:52:46,837 --> 00:52:49,900
We knew we had a huge battle
on our hands.
983
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,573
The Scouts have almost
never been willing
984
00:52:52,573 --> 00:52:54,374
to turn anything over.
985
00:52:54,374 --> 00:52:57,177
♫♫
986
00:52:57,177 --> 00:53:00,711
Jaquiss: The judge in this case
was a very experienced judge.
987
00:53:00,711 --> 00:53:04,685
They threw every argument they
could think of at this judge,
988
00:53:04,685 --> 00:53:08,288
and he wasn´t really cowed
by that.
989
00:53:08,288 --> 00:53:10,561
Of course,
the defense objected
990
00:53:10,561 --> 00:53:13,363
to the admission of these files
into evidence.
991
00:53:13,363 --> 00:53:16,266
The Boy Scouts knew
they had a problem.
992
00:53:16,266 --> 00:53:19,530
Crew:
The judge ordered the Boy Scouts
993
00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:24,605
to turn over to us
20 years of I. V. files --
994
00:53:24,605 --> 00:53:26,607
"perversion files."
995
00:53:26,607 --> 00:53:34,214
♫♫
996
00:53:34,214 --> 00:53:37,287
Less than two weeks before
we were supposed to start trial,
997
00:53:37,287 --> 00:53:39,750
they finally produced the files.
998
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:43,924
Crew: We got 1,200 I. V. files,
the Ineligible Volunteer files.
999
00:53:43,924 --> 00:53:47,528
Not all of the I. V. files
that the Boy Scouts had,
1000
00:53:47,528 --> 00:53:51,862
but the ones that the judge
deemed relevant.
1001
00:53:51,862 --> 00:53:54,805
When I realized that
he was going to let in
1002
00:53:54,805 --> 00:53:56,837
20 years´ worth of files,
1003
00:53:56,837 --> 00:54:00,470
I was pretty sure...
game over for the Boy Scouts.
1004
00:54:01,512 --> 00:54:03,514
Janci: There´s not
a lot of moments in life
1005
00:54:03,514 --> 00:54:05,876
where you know
that you´re doing something
1006
00:54:05,876 --> 00:54:08,749
that very few people
have ever done before,
1007
00:54:08,749 --> 00:54:12,983
but we did have that sense
when the files got delivered.
1008
00:54:12,983 --> 00:54:16,687
And when you started
to go through these records,
1009
00:54:16,687 --> 00:54:19,329
you felt the weight
of what we were doing.
1010
00:54:19,329 --> 00:54:22,262
♫♫
1011
00:54:22,262 --> 00:54:24,394
Malarkey:
We were in our jury room,
1012
00:54:24,394 --> 00:54:28,839
and they brought a bunch
of those cardboard file boxes.
1013
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:32,402
And then the bailiff leaves,
and it´s just the jurors.
1014
00:54:32,402 --> 00:54:37,948
Then we started just opening
them and thumbing through them.
1015
00:54:37,948 --> 00:54:42,282
We all sat, and there was
a lot of sitting in silence
1016
00:54:42,282 --> 00:54:44,555
and reading for a long time.
1017
00:54:44,555 --> 00:54:47,387
And then we started saying,
"Oh, my God."
1018
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,892
I was trying to just be
a good juror
1019
00:54:51,892 --> 00:54:53,694
and take in the information
1020
00:54:53,694 --> 00:54:56,697
and not get too carried away
emotionally.
1021
00:54:56,697 --> 00:55:00,971
And then it just, honestly,
became horrifying.
1022
00:55:00,971 --> 00:55:02,773
Because each one of these names
1023
00:55:02,773 --> 00:55:05,876
was a real person,
was a real child,
1024
00:55:05,876 --> 00:55:09,339
and there was box after box
after box.
1025
00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:12,913
There was just a lot of silence
in the jury room
1026
00:55:12,913 --> 00:55:16,847
in reverence
for what those documents held
1027
00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:19,449
and the actual acts
that they represented.
1028
00:55:19,449 --> 00:55:21,622
♫♫
1029
00:55:21,622 --> 00:55:26,857
I read lots,
and I read lots in detail.
1030
00:55:26,857 --> 00:55:30,400
And knowing that
there were thousands more,
1031
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,633
it was really...
1032
00:55:32,633 --> 00:55:36,637
Yeah.
Uh...disgusting.
1033
00:55:36,637 --> 00:55:40,841
♫♫
1034
00:55:40,841 --> 00:55:43,744
Janci: One of the documents
we found in a number of files
1035
00:55:43,744 --> 00:55:46,617
was a memo cover page.
1036
00:55:46,617 --> 00:55:50,751
And the graphic on that memo
was a little cartoon picture
1037
00:55:50,751 --> 00:55:54,354
of a firefighter
putting out a fire.
1038
00:55:56,456 --> 00:55:58,358
And that told us everything
we needed to know
1039
00:55:58,358 --> 00:55:59,990
about the way that they viewed
1040
00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:02,492
how reports of child sexual
abuse should be dealt with.
1041
00:56:02,492 --> 00:56:05,496
They viewed this as a fire
to be put out,
1042
00:56:05,496 --> 00:56:06,897
a secret to be kept.
1043
00:56:06,897 --> 00:56:10,100
♫♫
1044
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:13,103
Crew:
It´s right there on the files.
1045
00:56:13,103 --> 00:56:15,746
They wouldn´t tell the police.
They didn´t tell the police.
1046
00:56:15,746 --> 00:56:17,578
I mean, it wasn´t
just a practice.
1047
00:56:17,578 --> 00:56:20,881
It was a policy.
It was a written policy.
1048
00:56:20,881 --> 00:56:22,653
Don´t tell the police.
1049
00:56:22,653 --> 00:56:27,057
Don´t tell the school
that the Scoutmaster works at.
1050
00:56:27,057 --> 00:56:28,919
Don´t tell anybody.
1051
00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:32,863
They were as much intent
on protecting
1052
00:56:32,863 --> 00:56:36,797
the confidentiality
of the perpetrator
1053
00:56:36,797 --> 00:56:41,672
as they were
of any of the victims.
1054
00:56:41,672 --> 00:56:44,705
Janci: The Boy Scouts
created a program internally
1055
00:56:44,705 --> 00:56:46,436
that they called "probation."
1056
00:56:46,436 --> 00:56:48,779
♫♫
1057
00:56:48,779 --> 00:56:51,542
Probation was not ordered
by the court or the police.
1058
00:56:51,542 --> 00:56:53,784
In fact, the police
or the courts weren´t aware
1059
00:56:53,784 --> 00:56:57,047
when the Boy Scouts decided
to put somebody on "probation."
1060
00:56:57,047 --> 00:56:59,449
But essentially, probation was
1061
00:56:59,449 --> 00:57:02,052
they knew about
a particular pedophile.
1062
00:57:02,052 --> 00:57:04,454
They knew that that person
had been alleged
1063
00:57:04,454 --> 00:57:06,426
to have abused kids.
1064
00:57:06,426 --> 00:57:10,430
And they decided, instead of
kicking the person out
1065
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:12,603
and instead of warning anybody,
1066
00:57:12,603 --> 00:57:15,105
they would give him
a second chance.
1067
00:57:15,105 --> 00:57:17,207
Malarkey:
What we saw was troop leaders
1068
00:57:17,207 --> 00:57:21,872
being found to have abused
children at one troop
1069
00:57:21,872 --> 00:57:25,576
and then, you know, here
they are popping up a year later
1070
00:57:25,576 --> 00:57:27,818
at another troop
in a different state.
1071
00:57:27,818 --> 00:57:31,121
And again and again.
1072
00:57:31,121 --> 00:57:35,586
So it was just really clear
physical evidence
1073
00:57:35,586 --> 00:57:37,988
that they had known
for decades and decades
1074
00:57:37,988 --> 00:57:41,662
that these men were assaulting
these boys.
1075
00:57:41,662 --> 00:57:44,164
♫♫
1076
00:57:44,164 --> 00:57:48,238
On this one level, they did a
phenomenal job of tracking them.
1077
00:57:48,238 --> 00:57:50,771
♫♫
1078
00:57:50,771 --> 00:57:53,904
And then, on the other hand,
completely dropped the ball
1079
00:57:53,904 --> 00:57:56,877
on making sure that they
couldn´t and wouldn´t abuse
1080
00:57:56,877 --> 00:57:58,879
other children in the program.
1081
00:57:58,879 --> 00:58:01,682
Like, what the hell else
would those files be for?
1082
00:58:01,682 --> 00:58:06,787
♫♫
1083
00:58:06,787 --> 00:58:10,591
Janci: These pedophiles knew
the soft spots, the weak points,
1084
00:58:10,591 --> 00:58:14,795
and the Boy Scouts chose
not to do anything about it,
1085
00:58:14,795 --> 00:58:18,899
and they chose to allow
more kids to come in unknowingly
1086
00:58:18,899 --> 00:58:23,834
into a program
that was dangerous.
1087
00:58:25,275 --> 00:58:29,510
Crew: At the Kerry Lewis trial,
I think it´s the first time
1088
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:32,913
that a jury was able to see
with their own eyes
1089
00:58:32,913 --> 00:58:34,785
what´s in the I. V. files.
1090
00:58:36,186 --> 00:58:40,691
And the jury verdict
spoke volumes.
1091
00:58:41,051 --> 00:58:43,223
Judge Wittmayer: "We, the jury
find our verdict as follows --
1092
00:58:43,223 --> 00:58:44,655
We assess punitive damages
1093
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:46,226
against the Boy Scouts
of America.
1094
00:58:46,226 --> 00:58:48,759
Amount -- $18.5 million."
1095
00:58:48,759 --> 00:58:51,862
And it´s signed today,
dated today...
1096
00:58:51,862 --> 00:58:53,604
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1097
00:58:53,604 --> 00:58:55,766
Judge Wittmayer:
Almost nothing that happens
1098
00:58:55,766 --> 00:58:57,838
in a courtroom in Oregon
is confidential.
1099
00:58:57,838 --> 00:59:00,811
and if you want to maintain
confidences,
1100
00:59:00,811 --> 00:59:02,172
you settle the case.
1101
00:59:03,814 --> 00:59:08,248
Jaquiss: It was a huge mistake
by the Scouts to go to trial
1102
00:59:08,248 --> 00:59:11,922
because after the verdicts,
The New York Times,
1103
00:59:11,922 --> 00:59:14,755
The Oregonian,
and The Associated Press,
1104
00:59:14,755 --> 00:59:18,288
who had all petitioned
to make the documents public,
1105
00:59:18,288 --> 00:59:23,564
began putting these files up
on their websites.
1106
00:59:23,564 --> 00:59:26,897
Janci: When you can hold
the document that shows
1107
00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:29,900
that the Scoutmaster that abused
me wasn´t just a bad apple,
1108
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:33,944
this wasn´t a one-off,
this wasn´t unavoidable,
1109
00:59:33,944 --> 00:59:37,948
this was a pattern
and a systemic problem.
1110
00:59:37,948 --> 00:59:42,583
And they documented the problem,
file after file,
1111
00:59:42,583 --> 00:59:46,857
week after week,
year after year for decades.
1112
00:59:46,857 --> 00:59:49,820
Dr. Warren: We could see people
living normal lives.
1113
00:59:54,064 --> 00:59:56,797
And this was not
a static location,
1114
00:59:56,797 --> 01:00:01,001
but it was a porous,
interactive reality.
1115
01:00:03,604 --> 01:00:06,677
I realized that this was going
to be the largest database
1116
01:00:06,677 --> 01:00:10,681
of community-dwelling
child molesters.
1117
01:00:12,843 --> 01:00:15,285
For victims to be able
to go on their own
1118
01:00:15,285 --> 01:00:17,147
and look at the documents
that were obtained
1119
01:00:17,147 --> 01:00:21,151
and released
in the Kerry Lewis case,
1120
01:00:21,151 --> 01:00:24,094
it was a tipping point.
1121
01:00:25,696 --> 01:00:27,197
Newscaster: Boy Scoutpresident Wayne Perry
1122
01:00:27,197 --> 01:00:28,929
apologized to the victims
1123
01:00:28,929 --> 01:00:31,361
but made no apologiesfor keeping the files.
1124
01:00:31,361 --> 01:00:33,764
Our ineligible volunteer file
1125
01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:35,806
is a big element
of our keeping track
1126
01:00:35,806 --> 01:00:37,768
and making sure that
nobody gets in.
1127
01:00:37,768 --> 01:00:39,740
People should be happy
we have these files.
1128
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:41,672
You want us to keep these files.
1129
01:00:53,824 --> 01:00:56,887
Ron:
It was pretty easy to find.
1130
01:00:56,887 --> 01:00:59,259
I had to go through the names,
1131
01:00:59,259 --> 01:01:01,662
and there it was,
Edward Rodriguez --
1132
01:01:01,662 --> 01:01:04,865
Edward A. Rodriguez,
Brooklyn, New York.
1133
01:01:04,865 --> 01:01:07,037
And I said,
"I think this is the guy."
1134
01:01:09,299 --> 01:01:11,772
Okay.
1135
01:01:11,772 --> 01:01:13,744
Okay.
1136
01:01:13,744 --> 01:01:18,909
This is a letter
from July 24, 1964.
1137
01:01:18,909 --> 01:01:20,450
"Dear Howard,
1138
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:25,686
Reverend Blank of the
Holy Trinity Episcopal Church
1139
01:01:25,686 --> 01:01:29,059
has requested that we place
Mr. Rodriguez
1140
01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:31,992
on the confidential file.
1141
01:01:31,992 --> 01:01:34,294
Through personal admission,
1142
01:01:34,294 --> 01:01:38,128
Mr. Rodriguez has had
immoral relations
1143
01:01:38,128 --> 01:01:41,902
with at least three boys
in Troop 739.
1144
01:01:41,902 --> 01:01:45,936
These incidents occurred
more than once,
1145
01:01:45,936 --> 01:01:52,242
and in the case of the blank
boy, over a long period of time.
1146
01:01:52,242 --> 01:01:54,284
There does not seem
to be any doubt
1147
01:01:54,284 --> 01:01:57,087
as to the validity
of these charges."
1148
01:02:00,951 --> 01:02:04,855
This is July 28, 1964.
1149
01:02:04,855 --> 01:02:08,258
"Dear Mr. Wallace,
this letter is to inform you
1150
01:02:08,258 --> 01:02:12,763
that the Committee
of Troop 739, Manhattan,
1151
01:02:12,763 --> 01:02:16,266
has asked for
and received the resignation
1152
01:02:16,266 --> 01:02:20,410
of its Scoutmaster,
Edward A. Rodriguez.
1153
01:02:20,410 --> 01:02:25,015
It was requested as a safeguard
for the boys in our troop
1154
01:02:25,015 --> 01:02:28,519
on the grounds
of moral turpitude.
1155
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:30,851
He didn´t give any reason
1156
01:02:30,851 --> 01:02:35,425
why he had chosen those boys
in particular.
1157
01:02:35,425 --> 01:02:40,290
But as a matter of fact, these
boys are small in stature.
1158
01:02:42,763 --> 01:02:44,965
Ed Rodriguez also indicated
1159
01:02:44,965 --> 01:02:49,099
that this is the first time
that this had happened.
1160
01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:53,443
But those present were of
the opinion that his actions
1161
01:02:53,443 --> 01:02:56,977
definitely were repeated
previously with others.
1162
01:02:59,009 --> 01:03:02,012
Before ending, though,
he was requested
1163
01:03:02,012 --> 01:03:06,016
not to divulge any information
connected with the affair,
1164
01:03:06,016 --> 01:03:10,460
and we have even gone so far
as to concoct a reason
1165
01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:15,395
why Ed Rodriguez has left
the troop."
1166
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:23,333
Okay.
1167
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:26,006
Well, come on.
It´s a bunch of bullshit.
1168
01:03:26,006 --> 01:03:28,078
You´re admitting to me
that you concocted a story
1169
01:03:28,078 --> 01:03:29,580
for him to resign,
1170
01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:32,212
and this is some letting him
off the fucking hook?
1171
01:03:32,212 --> 01:03:34,044
Excuse my language.
1172
01:03:35,215 --> 01:03:39,049
But I definitely don´t mind it
being taped.
1173
01:03:39,049 --> 01:03:41,221
Sorry.
This is just bullshit.
1174
01:03:41,221 --> 01:03:42,923
It´s just reading bullshit.
1175
01:03:42,923 --> 01:03:46,326
And for someone to actually sign
their name to it,
1176
01:03:46,326 --> 01:03:47,958
what an asshole this person is.
1177
01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:50,330
Let´s put this guy in jail.
1178
01:03:50,330 --> 01:03:55,235
Forget about Eddie Rodriguez.
They´re all bad guys.
1179
01:04:06,416 --> 01:04:09,880
You´re such a good guy.
Come here.
1180
01:04:14,254 --> 01:04:16,226
Stewart:
When I first was thinking about
1181
01:04:16,226 --> 01:04:17,958
joining the Boy Scouts,
1182
01:04:17,958 --> 01:04:19,489
I went to a pastor friendof mine in Dallas
1183
01:04:19,489 --> 01:04:21,331
for some counsel.
1184
01:04:21,331 --> 01:04:23,093
He said, "What´s your biggestfear about joining?"
1185
01:04:23,093 --> 01:04:24,495
I said, "Honestly,if I join the Boy Scouts,
1186
01:04:24,495 --> 01:04:26,266
they can´t compensate methe same way
1187
01:04:26,266 --> 01:04:27,898
I´m being compensated" --That was my belief.
1188
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:29,439
He goes,"What are you talking about?
1189
01:04:29,439 --> 01:04:31,141
The guy across the street works
for the Boy Scouts.
1190
01:04:31,141 --> 01:04:33,103
He´s got a limo
that picks him up every week."
1191
01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:35,105
And he said, "And that guy
drives a company car
1192
01:04:35,105 --> 01:04:36,907
down to get his trash each day."
1193
01:04:39,249 --> 01:04:41,381
Hi.
1194
01:04:41,381 --> 01:04:43,614
My brother is an Eagle Scout,
1195
01:04:43,614 --> 01:04:47,017
but earning that rank
was not ever on my radar.
1196
01:04:47,017 --> 01:04:48,659
I went into Scouting
because I love to camp
1197
01:04:48,659 --> 01:04:51,091
and I love to hike
and I love to do adventures
1198
01:04:51,091 --> 01:04:53,924
and have a great time
with other people.
1199
01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:55,425
And that´s what I did.
1200
01:04:58,268 --> 01:05:02,032
Oh, you´ll love this.
These are my saddles.
1201
01:05:02,032 --> 01:05:04,404
All my cowboy gear
is really done
1202
01:05:04,404 --> 01:05:07,107
in honor to my love
for Scouting.
1203
01:05:07,107 --> 01:05:10,480
You´ll see that my colors
are typically olive,
1204
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,943
like the uniform, and tan.
1205
01:05:12,943 --> 01:05:17,387
I also had some silver conchos
made that has the fleur de lis,
1206
01:05:17,387 --> 01:05:19,189
which is the emblem
for the millions
1207
01:05:19,189 --> 01:05:21,992
and millions of Scouts
around the world.
1208
01:05:21,992 --> 01:05:23,453
One thing about Scouting,
once you´re in,
1209
01:05:23,453 --> 01:05:25,926
you don´t leave
if you love Scouting.
1210
01:05:25,926 --> 01:05:27,498
I started out as a Scout.
1211
01:05:27,498 --> 01:05:30,661
Once my kids became Scout age,
I was their Cubmaster.
1212
01:05:30,661 --> 01:05:33,564
Now I´m the father
of two Eagle Scouts.
1213
01:05:33,564 --> 01:05:37,007
I mean, Scouting
is all about giving back.
1214
01:05:37,007 --> 01:05:39,670
Scouting is about helping
the next generation.
1215
01:05:43,143 --> 01:05:45,075
I would have thought nobody
joins Scouting
1216
01:05:45,075 --> 01:05:47,477
to make a lot of money.
1217
01:05:47,477 --> 01:05:49,279
What´s funny about that
is you look at some
1218
01:05:49,279 --> 01:05:51,351
of the salaries of the senior
executives over the years,
1219
01:05:51,351 --> 01:05:55,526
and you see this absolutely
absurd high salary
1220
01:05:55,526 --> 01:05:58,989
for a senior executive.
1221
01:05:58,989 --> 01:06:00,961
There have been a number
of people
1222
01:06:00,961 --> 01:06:03,033
who I think came
to the Boy Scouts of America
1223
01:06:03,033 --> 01:06:05,135
to take advantage
of the Boy Scouts of America.
1224
01:06:05,135 --> 01:06:10,200
I joined as a consultant
in 2010,
1225
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,342
and then I resigned in 2019.
1226
01:06:14,545 --> 01:06:17,007
When I joined
the National Council,
1227
01:06:17,007 --> 01:06:18,509
there were people who had worked
at BSA National
1228
01:06:18,509 --> 01:06:20,450
for 20 and 30 years.
1229
01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:22,112
They were very safe
in their job,
1230
01:06:22,112 --> 01:06:25,085
very safe
in their retirement program,
1231
01:06:25,085 --> 01:06:28,689
and the lease cars were
just part of the entitlement.
1232
01:06:28,689 --> 01:06:30,661
But if you ask,
"Who is responsible
1233
01:06:30,661 --> 01:06:35,125
for the decline over the years?"
nobody took ownership for it.
1234
01:06:35,125 --> 01:06:37,668
I mean, if you´re
going out of business,
1235
01:06:37,668 --> 01:06:40,300
you´re not leaving at 4:30
in the afternoon.
1236
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:42,332
You´re staying until 10:00
at night, 11:00 at night.
1237
01:06:42,332 --> 01:06:44,705
You´re there first thing
in the morning.
1238
01:06:44,705 --> 01:06:46,707
But if you were at
the national office at 4:30
1239
01:06:46,707 --> 01:06:48,408
in the afternoon,
you better watch out,
1240
01:06:48,408 --> 01:06:50,010
because you´re about to get
run over by a stampede
1241
01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:51,041
leaving the office.
1242
01:06:54,785 --> 01:06:57,147
Morones:
I was asked to analyze
1243
01:06:57,147 --> 01:07:01,151
the Boy Scouts´
public financial information.
1244
01:07:01,151 --> 01:07:03,353
And I have to say, I was
1245
01:07:03,353 --> 01:07:06,226
surprised by the size and scope
1246
01:07:06,226 --> 01:07:08,499
of the organization financially.
1247
01:07:08,499 --> 01:07:11,562
The assets were
over a billion dollars,
1248
01:07:11,562 --> 01:07:13,534
and I had no idea.
1249
01:07:13,534 --> 01:07:16,236
That´s large for a nonprofit.
1250
01:07:16,507 --> 01:07:18,809
[ Mid-tempo music plays ]
1251
01:07:18,809 --> 01:07:23,473
Since the 2010 trial,
the Boy Scouts has generated
1252
01:07:23,473 --> 01:07:28,318
a substantial operating loss
every year.
1253
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,484
I added up a loss
of over $500 million.
1254
01:07:34,484 --> 01:07:38,358
Their legal fees have
substantially increased
1255
01:07:38,358 --> 01:07:40,190
during that time.
1256
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:42,332
Membership has been declining,
1257
01:07:42,332 --> 01:07:44,434
and it appears
to be getting worse.
1258
01:07:46,466 --> 01:07:50,400
Still, in 2019,
the Boy Scout top executive
1259
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,073
makes over a million dollars
a year,
1260
01:07:53,073 --> 01:07:57,377
higher than any other CEO
in that category of nonprofits.
1261
01:07:58,478 --> 01:08:02,112
And the organization
has promised to pay
1262
01:08:02,112 --> 01:08:04,615
certain amounts of money
to executives
1263
01:08:04,615 --> 01:08:06,416
in their retirement years.
1264
01:08:07,658 --> 01:08:10,621
It´s risky because
the pension payments
1265
01:08:10,621 --> 01:08:14,324
are promised regardless
of economic conditions.
1266
01:08:14,324 --> 01:08:18,098
So to have that coincide with
taking on additional debt --
1267
01:08:18,098 --> 01:08:19,870
extremely unfortunate timing.
1268
01:08:22,633 --> 01:08:26,507
I can´t really speculate
any intention beyond that.
1269
01:08:26,507 --> 01:08:28,208
Jaquiss:
Absolutely.
1270
01:08:41,421 --> 01:08:45,856
Lord: You can die
without being killed,
1271
01:08:45,856 --> 01:08:48,328
because some of those
experiences I had
1272
01:08:48,328 --> 01:08:52,362
when I was being abused,
I felt like I was dying,
1273
01:08:52,362 --> 01:08:56,837
or maybe death was the answer.
1274
01:08:58,338 --> 01:09:01,241
So I had died many times,
1275
01:09:01,241 --> 01:09:05,445
but I had to wake up in the
morning and face another day.
1276
01:09:05,445 --> 01:09:08,579
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1277
01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:10,781
And not only did he abuse me,
1278
01:09:10,781 --> 01:09:14,254
but Lonnie introduced me
to other Scout leaders,
1279
01:09:14,254 --> 01:09:16,587
and he introduced me
to a Scout executive
1280
01:09:16,587 --> 01:09:20,160
from New York Council
named Gary Rivers.
1281
01:09:21,361 --> 01:09:24,364
And Gary was, like, in his 20s,
just graduated from college,
1282
01:09:24,364 --> 01:09:26,336
and he was an executive
in finance.
1283
01:09:26,336 --> 01:09:28,198
I looked up to him,
and so I said,
1284
01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:32,172
"Here´s a guy who is a Black,
African-American male leader."
1285
01:09:32,172 --> 01:09:38,308
And so I got introduced to him,
and then, that turned out to...
1286
01:09:38,308 --> 01:09:41,712
he wanted more than just me
looking up to him as a leader,
1287
01:09:41,712 --> 01:09:44,254
that Lonnie Barnes
introduced him, and...
1288
01:09:44,254 --> 01:09:48,318
and so Gary abused me, too.
1289
01:09:48,318 --> 01:09:50,621
And...
1290
01:09:50,621 --> 01:09:53,493
And Gary´s story...
1291
01:09:53,493 --> 01:09:58,969
I guess I´m almost 16
when I -- when I meet Gary.
1292
01:09:58,969 --> 01:10:00,971
And, uh...
1293
01:10:02,533 --> 01:10:04,204
Wow.
1294
01:10:07,538 --> 01:10:10,511
So I had to call Gary one day...
1295
01:10:11,441 --> 01:10:14,745
...and tell him
that I had gonorrhea.
1296
01:10:16,617 --> 01:10:19,820
And...
1297
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:22,523
And that was -- I didn´t know
what gonorrhea was.
1298
01:10:22,523 --> 01:10:24,795
I was in pain, and I called him.
1299
01:10:25,896 --> 01:10:30,501
And he told me, you know,
to meet him in New York City.
1300
01:10:30,501 --> 01:10:32,503
And I´m in New Rochelle.
1301
01:10:32,503 --> 01:10:35,506
And I had to get on a train
by myself.
1302
01:10:35,506 --> 01:10:37,508
I couldn´t tell anybody
what was going on.
1303
01:10:39,269 --> 01:10:41,441
And I was fearful of what --
1304
01:10:41,441 --> 01:10:43,914
´cause I´m in pain,
what´s going to happen.
1305
01:10:43,914 --> 01:10:47,317
So I met him
at Grand Central Station,
1306
01:10:47,317 --> 01:10:49,550
and we went to a doctor.
1307
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:51,782
And Gary was talking
to the doctor,
1308
01:10:51,782 --> 01:10:55,285
and then, all of a sudden,
I get called into this room.
1309
01:10:55,285 --> 01:10:56,887
I´m given a shot.
1310
01:10:56,887 --> 01:11:00,661
♫♫
1311
01:11:00,661 --> 01:11:03,564
He introduced me
to a lot of bad people.
1312
01:11:03,564 --> 01:11:06,497
You know, I had to perform
or whatever.
1313
01:11:06,497 --> 01:11:08,398
It was over 15 people.
1314
01:11:08,398 --> 01:11:12,873
♫♫
1315
01:11:12,873 --> 01:11:15,305
I had to live two lives.
1316
01:11:16,547 --> 01:11:20,951
And so you numb yourself,
and you protect yourself.
1317
01:11:20,951 --> 01:11:24,354
And so for abuse victims,
1318
01:11:24,354 --> 01:11:27,758
you may not have to wait
to be pronounced dead
1319
01:11:27,758 --> 01:11:29,920
because you can die inside.
1320
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,923
♫♫
1321
01:11:32,923 --> 01:11:34,725
Sawyer:
We begin tonight with a story
1322
01:11:34,725 --> 01:11:37,568
that could touch
nearly every family in America
1323
01:11:37,568 --> 01:11:40,470
and anyone who´s ever put on
a Scout uniform.
1324
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:43,303
First, listen to this letter
the Boy Scouts of America
1325
01:11:43,303 --> 01:11:44,675
wrote to us.
1326
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:46,877
It says, "The Boy Scouts
has been the catalyst
1327
01:11:46,877 --> 01:11:49,680
for much of the awareness
and discussion of child abuse
1328
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,612
that has emerged
in recent years."
1329
01:11:51,612 --> 01:11:54,715
Sawyer: Your critics say,
to put it bluntly,
1330
01:11:54,715 --> 01:11:56,687
that you were dragged
kicking and screaming
1331
01:11:56,687 --> 01:11:58,589
into dealing with
the child abuse problem
1332
01:11:58,589 --> 01:12:00,490
and that what you wanted
to do,
1333
01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:02,823
until you were forced
to do it,
1334
01:12:02,823 --> 01:12:04,595
was just hush it up.
1335
01:12:04,595 --> 01:12:07,698
There are people that want
a silver-bullet answer
1336
01:12:07,698 --> 01:12:09,830
to everything,
1337
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:12,332
and we´re not gonna
please people
1338
01:12:12,332 --> 01:12:16,807
who expect an absolute silver-
bullet solution to this problem.
1339
01:12:16,807 --> 01:12:18,368
Were there no
significant problems
1340
01:12:18,368 --> 01:12:19,740
inside the Boy Scouts
before 1985?
1341
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:20,941
Not that we´re aware of,
no.
1342
01:12:20,941 --> 01:12:23,574
None at all?
Not that we´re aware of.
1343
01:12:23,574 --> 01:12:26,677
Sawyer: Day one´s review
of hundreds of Boy Scout files
1344
01:12:26,677 --> 01:12:29,720
shows an average of 99 reports
of child abuse
1345
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,753
in the organization every year.
1346
01:12:32,753 --> 01:12:34,484
Isn´t that a problem?
1347
01:12:34,484 --> 01:12:40,691
99 out of 6, 7,
800 local councils.
1348
01:12:40,691 --> 01:12:44,695
I don´t think that you can say
that´s a problem.
1349
01:12:44,695 --> 01:12:46,697
You can´t say
that´s a problem?
1350
01:12:46,697 --> 01:12:48,999
Again, one case
is one too many.
1351
01:12:48,999 --> 01:12:51,542
Well, then you´ve got
almost 100 on average a year.
1352
01:12:51,542 --> 01:12:53,103
That´s 100 times
worse problem.
1353
01:12:53,103 --> 01:12:55,105
And you work forward
1354
01:12:55,105 --> 01:12:57,578
developing and enhancing
programs as you go.
1355
01:12:59,379 --> 01:13:01,852
[ Mid-tempo music plays ]
1356
01:13:01,852 --> 01:13:08,388
♫♫
1357
01:13:08,388 --> 01:13:10,761
Narrator: The Boy Scouts
of America is an organization
1358
01:13:10,761 --> 01:13:14,525
dedicated to developing
healthy young men and women.
1359
01:13:14,525 --> 01:13:16,567
But we´re not immune
to problems,
1360
01:13:16,567 --> 01:13:19,469
one of which is the problem
of child abuse,
1361
01:13:19,469 --> 01:13:20,731
a problem that affects...
1362
01:13:20,731 --> 01:13:22,703
Jaquiss:
Beginning in the late ´80s,
1363
01:13:22,703 --> 01:13:24,505
the Boy Scouts put in place
1364
01:13:24,505 --> 01:13:27,678
what they call the
youth protection protocols.
1365
01:13:27,678 --> 01:13:29,640
Jaquiss:
These were new policies
1366
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,844
designed to train adult leadersand establish new guidelines.
1367
01:13:33,844 --> 01:13:36,817
Narrator: One-on-one activities
between adults and Scouts
1368
01:13:36,817 --> 01:13:38,719
are not authorized.
1369
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,991
Jaquiss: They advertised
to the public aggressively
1370
01:13:40,991 --> 01:13:43,624
that they were
making Scouting safer.
1371
01:13:43,624 --> 01:13:46,527
Narrator: Any time that
you suspect child abuse
1372
01:13:46,527 --> 01:13:48,559
in the Boy Scout program,
1373
01:13:48,559 --> 01:13:51,662
you must contact
the Scout executive.
1374
01:13:51,662 --> 01:13:53,834
The Scout executive
in each council
1375
01:13:53,834 --> 01:13:56,106
has contact
with the proper authorities
1376
01:13:56,106 --> 01:13:58,569
and has established procedures.
1377
01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:03,043
Rep. Don Edwards: The purpose of
this subcommittee meeting today
1378
01:14:03,043 --> 01:14:06,647
is to establish procedures
for national criminal
1379
01:14:06,647 --> 01:14:10,881
background checks
for child care providers.
1380
01:14:10,881 --> 01:14:13,724
Nemecek:
Let me first state unequivocally
1381
01:14:13,724 --> 01:14:15,756
that the administration
strongly supports
1382
01:14:15,756 --> 01:14:17,628
the goals of this act.
1383
01:14:17,628 --> 01:14:19,459
Swann: We require a criminal
background check
1384
01:14:19,459 --> 01:14:21,461
of all potential volunteers.
1385
01:14:21,461 --> 01:14:23,994
We have endured the cost and
the burden of getting this done.
1386
01:14:23,994 --> 01:14:25,465
Rep. Don Edwards:
Well, thank you, Mr. Swann.
1387
01:14:25,465 --> 01:14:27,498
We´re pleased
to have the support
1388
01:14:27,498 --> 01:14:28,939
of your great organization.
1389
01:14:28,939 --> 01:14:31,972
We´ll now hear
from Lawrence F. Potts,
1390
01:14:31,972 --> 01:14:35,475
director of administration
for Boy Scouts of America.
1391
01:14:35,475 --> 01:14:36,647
Mr. Potts.
1392
01:14:36,647 --> 01:14:39,209
While we applaud
your efforts to attack
1393
01:14:39,209 --> 01:14:41,512
a very serious
societal problem,
1394
01:14:41,512 --> 01:14:44,755
it is undoubtedly true
that many worthy volunteers
1395
01:14:44,755 --> 01:14:46,987
would simply not wish
to subject themselves
1396
01:14:46,987 --> 01:14:48,819
to being fingerprinted.
1397
01:14:48,819 --> 01:14:52,222
To combat child abuse,
BSA, with the help of experts,
1398
01:14:52,222 --> 01:14:55,966
has designed
a special five-point plan.
1399
01:14:55,966 --> 01:14:58,969
Rep. Pat Schroeder:
So you´d like to have a profile
1400
01:14:58,969 --> 01:15:03,634
of what you think is
a trustworthy volunteer?
1401
01:15:03,634 --> 01:15:07,107
That has worked for you
and has not caused any problems?
1402
01:15:07,107 --> 01:15:13,143
I mean, you can figure this out
without any help.
1403
01:15:13,143 --> 01:15:15,646
Unfortunately,
experts have told us
1404
01:15:15,646 --> 01:15:18,789
that there is no profile.
1405
01:15:18,789 --> 01:15:21,692
There is no way in advance that
you can you can be assured --
1406
01:15:21,692 --> 01:15:24,024
Rep. Pat Schroeder
That´s what they told us, too.
1407
01:15:24,024 --> 01:15:25,896
That´s why I thought maybe
you had found the key
1408
01:15:25,896 --> 01:15:27,598
to unlocking all of this.
1409
01:15:27,598 --> 01:15:29,630
Potts: We know the leaders
that we´re selecting.
1410
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:31,131
You know,
they come out of the community,
1411
01:15:31,131 --> 01:15:32,603
would be known
in the community,
1412
01:15:32,603 --> 01:15:34,104
would have roots
in the community,
1413
01:15:34,104 --> 01:15:39,109
would be married, would be
fathers of kids in the program.
1414
01:15:39,109 --> 01:15:41,141
Roberts: A former executive
with the Boy Scouts
1415
01:15:41,141 --> 01:15:43,874
has pleaded guilty
to child pornography charges.
1416
01:15:43,874 --> 01:15:46,947
Douglas Smith worked with
the Scouts for nearly 40 years,
1417
01:15:46,947 --> 01:15:50,180
even ran a task force to
protect kids from sexual abuse.
1418
01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:52,883
Smith now faces up to 20 years
in prison.
1419
01:15:56,787 --> 01:16:00,230
Lawyer: Which criminal
statute were you convicted of?
1420
01:16:00,230 --> 01:16:02,332
I was convicted of receipt
and distribution
1421
01:16:02,332 --> 01:16:03,694
of child pornography.
1422
01:16:05,636 --> 01:16:07,167
Lawyer:
Did you ever hold a position
1423
01:16:07,167 --> 01:16:09,139
at the Boy Scouts
of America
1424
01:16:09,139 --> 01:16:11,742
with respect to the
Youth Protection guidelines?
1425
01:16:11,742 --> 01:16:12,943
Yes, sir.
1426
01:16:12,943 --> 01:16:14,645
Lawyer:
What were the circumstances
1427
01:16:14,645 --> 01:16:16,877
under which you ceased working
for the BSA?
1428
01:16:16,877 --> 01:16:20,751
Um...I, uh...
1429
01:16:20,751 --> 01:16:23,353
I submitted
my letter of retirement
1430
01:16:23,353 --> 01:16:25,255
after the police
had come to my house.
1431
01:16:25,255 --> 01:16:27,357
Lawyer:
Are you presently employed
1432
01:16:27,357 --> 01:16:30,691
in any capacity whatsoever
by the Boy Scouts of America?
1433
01:16:30,691 --> 01:16:32,162
No, sir.
Lawyer: Okay.
1434
01:16:32,162 --> 01:16:34,765
What is your current state
of employment status
1435
01:16:34,765 --> 01:16:36,066
with the Boy Scouts
of America?
1436
01:16:36,066 --> 01:16:38,098
Retired.
1437
01:16:38,098 --> 01:16:40,601
Lawyer:
And so when you are
1438
01:16:40,601 --> 01:16:43,834
completing your term
of incarceration,
1439
01:16:43,834 --> 01:16:47,137
you will be then eligible
to receive medical benefits
1440
01:16:47,137 --> 01:16:50,611
and you will also receive
your retirement?
1441
01:16:50,611 --> 01:16:52,312
Is that correct?
Yes.
1442
01:16:52,312 --> 01:16:55,646
Lawyer: I believe
that is it for me, sir.
1443
01:16:55,646 --> 01:17:00,250
Um, at this point,
I have no further questions.
1444
01:17:00,250 --> 01:17:03,153
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1445
01:17:03,153 --> 01:17:05,996
Jaquiss: For decades, all theletters sent to the Boy Scouts
1446
01:17:05,996 --> 01:17:08,729
alleging sexual abusein Scouting
1447
01:17:08,729 --> 01:17:12,262
were sent to a mannamed Paul Ernst.
1448
01:17:12,262 --> 01:17:14,234
He was the keeperof the secrets.
1449
01:17:14,234 --> 01:17:18,669
Ernst would later be deposedfor a sexual abuse case
1450
01:17:18,669 --> 01:17:20,170
against the Scouts.
1451
01:17:20,170 --> 01:17:22,242
Lawyer: You kept
this information confidential.
1452
01:17:22,242 --> 01:17:23,714
True.
1453
01:17:23,714 --> 01:17:25,015
Lawyer: You didn´t share
this information
1454
01:17:25,015 --> 01:17:26,817
with law enforcement?
1455
01:17:26,817 --> 01:17:28,418
Yes, that´s true.
1456
01:17:28,418 --> 01:17:34,284
♫♫
1457
01:17:34,284 --> 01:17:36,727
Lawyer:
And you didn´t share it
1458
01:17:36,727 --> 01:17:39,730
with other parents
in the troop?
1459
01:17:39,730 --> 01:17:41,762
No.
1460
01:17:41,762 --> 01:17:44,094
Lawyer:
Okay. But...
1461
01:17:44,094 --> 01:17:47,668
As I was saying, you don´t
give it out to the public.
1462
01:17:47,668 --> 01:17:51,201
You don´t tell people that
this person has done something
1463
01:17:51,201 --> 01:17:53,143
that will affect his job
1464
01:17:53,143 --> 01:17:56,877
or his relationship with others
and so forth.
1465
01:17:56,877 --> 01:17:58,348
Because we didn´t
want to do that.
1466
01:17:58,348 --> 01:17:59,810
We weren´t the type of person
1467
01:17:59,810 --> 01:18:02,112
that wanted to do that
to an individual.
1468
01:18:02,112 --> 01:18:09,059
♫♫
1469
01:18:09,059 --> 01:18:11,962
Jaquiss: James, how did you
learn you were being excluded
1470
01:18:11,962 --> 01:18:14,194
from the Boy Scouts,
and when did you learn that?
1471
01:18:14,194 --> 01:18:17,998
Sure. It was two years after I´d
received my Eagle Scout award.
1472
01:18:17,998 --> 01:18:21,371
It was the summer of 1990,
and I get a call from my mother
1473
01:18:21,371 --> 01:18:24,404
who said that I received
certified mail.
1474
01:18:24,404 --> 01:18:28,178
"Dear Mr. Dale, the grounds
for your membership revocation
1475
01:18:28,178 --> 01:18:30,240
are the standards
for leadership established
1476
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,012
by the Boy Scouts of America,
1477
01:18:32,012 --> 01:18:36,246
which specifically forbid
membership to homosexuals."
1478
01:18:36,246 --> 01:18:38,849
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1479
01:18:38,849 --> 01:18:42,923
I was in the Scouts from the age
of 8 to the age of 20.
1480
01:18:42,923 --> 01:18:46,096
I was in it my entire childhood.
1481
01:18:46,096 --> 01:18:52,933
It was the singular,
most formative part of my youth.
1482
01:18:52,933 --> 01:18:55,265
I was not out
when I was younger.
1483
01:18:55,265 --> 01:18:57,508
And even if in the back
of my mind as a gay kid,
1484
01:18:57,508 --> 01:18:59,740
I had that doubt or fear
1485
01:18:59,740 --> 01:19:03,213
or, you know, self-hatred,
you could even say,
1486
01:19:03,213 --> 01:19:07,347
the Boy Scouts really helped me
1487
01:19:07,347 --> 01:19:10,420
not feel so bad about myself
as a gay kid,
1488
01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:14,424
even if I didn´t have the words
at the time.
1489
01:19:14,424 --> 01:19:16,226
I was really caught off guard,
1490
01:19:16,226 --> 01:19:19,530
but it wasn´t something
I could also walk away from.
1491
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:21,391
I´m really happy
with who I am today,
1492
01:19:21,391 --> 01:19:23,263
and I´m really happy
with where I´ve come
1493
01:19:23,263 --> 01:19:24,865
and what I´ve stood for.
1494
01:19:24,865 --> 01:19:26,236
All that is because
of the Boy Scouts.
1495
01:19:26,236 --> 01:19:28,298
It´s a great program
with a policy
1496
01:19:28,298 --> 01:19:30,270
that´s just simply wrong
and harmful.
1497
01:19:31,271 --> 01:19:33,043
Jaquiss:
James Dale sued the Scouts
1498
01:19:33,043 --> 01:19:34,945
and ended up going all the way
1499
01:19:34,945 --> 01:19:37,177
to the United States
Supreme Court.
1500
01:19:37,177 --> 01:19:40,180
And even though their membership
was in long-term decline,
1501
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:43,253
they spent millions of dollars
just fighting to keep him out.
1502
01:19:43,253 --> 01:19:44,855
Cooper:
On a divisive issue,
1503
01:19:44,855 --> 01:19:46,917
the Supreme Court ruled
that the Boy Scouts
1504
01:19:46,917 --> 01:19:49,960
can bar homosexuals
from serving as troop leaders.
1505
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,962
♫♫
1506
01:19:51,962 --> 01:19:53,794
Dale: The saddest ironyin all of this
1507
01:19:53,794 --> 01:19:55,265
is that you´re taughtto be honest,
1508
01:19:55,265 --> 01:19:57,327
to be trustworthy,to be a leader.
1509
01:19:57,327 --> 01:19:58,869
Everything I´m doing now
1510
01:19:58,869 --> 01:20:01,201
is because of what
the Boy Scouts taught me.
1511
01:20:02,873 --> 01:20:06,036
If we no longer in America
1512
01:20:06,036 --> 01:20:09,179
can discriminate
on the basis of what we believe,
1513
01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:11,211
then we are no longer
a free people.
1514
01:20:11,211 --> 01:20:14,515
Jaquiss: For Scouting,it seemed to be more important
1515
01:20:14,515 --> 01:20:17,187
to exclude gay Scoutsand Scout leaders
1516
01:20:17,187 --> 01:20:20,220
than it was to fixthe pedophile problem.
1517
01:20:20,220 --> 01:20:24,254
The Boy Scouts knew they were
harboring pedophiles
1518
01:20:24,254 --> 01:20:26,296
and they didn´t
do anything about it.
1519
01:20:28,829 --> 01:20:30,531
My name is Michael Johnson.
1520
01:20:30,531 --> 01:20:35,866
I´m a father, a son, and former
director of youth protection
1521
01:20:35,866 --> 01:20:38,138
with the Boy Scouts of America.
1522
01:20:38,138 --> 01:20:39,309
And truth be told,
1523
01:20:39,309 --> 01:20:41,141
I have got to share something
1524
01:20:41,141 --> 01:20:42,513
that´s been on my heart
1525
01:20:42,513 --> 01:20:45,375
and a major concern of mine
1526
01:20:45,375 --> 01:20:47,217
in my final years
1527
01:20:47,217 --> 01:20:51,852
at the Boy Scouts of America
as well as after my departure,
1528
01:20:51,852 --> 01:20:54,454
and is more clearly true.
1529
01:20:54,454 --> 01:20:56,086
When I ask the question,
1530
01:20:56,086 --> 01:20:58,559
"Is the Boy Scouts of America
safe for kids?"
1531
01:20:58,559 --> 01:21:00,561
the truth of the matter
and the truth
1532
01:21:00,561 --> 01:21:03,393
that I said at the time
was, "It´s not.
1533
01:21:03,393 --> 01:21:06,366
The Boy Scouts of America
is not safe for kids."
1534
01:21:06,366 --> 01:21:10,140
It is safer,
but it´s not safe for kids.
1535
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:13,203
[ Discordant music begins ]
1536
01:21:13,203 --> 01:21:14,945
[ Keyboard clacking ]
1537
01:21:14,945 --> 01:21:20,250
♫♫
1538
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:25,516
♫♫
1539
01:21:25,516 --> 01:21:28,488
Carolyn: He had no fear.Doug had no fear.
1540
01:21:28,488 --> 01:21:31,121
[ Keyboard clacking ]
1541
01:21:31,121 --> 01:21:33,594
♫♫
1542
01:21:33,594 --> 01:21:35,425
Matthew:
There was a blog that came out
1543
01:21:35,425 --> 01:21:38,669
that said how he liked to spoonwith the boys.
1544
01:21:38,669 --> 01:21:42,933
♫♫
1545
01:21:42,933 --> 01:21:44,334
Carolyn:
Made me sick.
1546
01:21:44,334 --> 01:21:46,537
I mean, we didn´t know
the details,
1547
01:21:46,537 --> 01:21:50,140
and now I feel like an idiot
because...
1548
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:51,211
[ Chuckles ]
1549
01:21:51,211 --> 01:21:55,115
God.
1550
01:21:55,115 --> 01:21:57,217
[ Keyboard clacking ]
1551
01:21:57,217 --> 01:22:00,991
♫♫
1552
01:22:00,991 --> 01:22:03,654
Matthew: The Boy Scouts,if you have the problem fixed,
1553
01:22:03,654 --> 01:22:06,196
how come our caseis here?
1554
01:22:06,196 --> 01:22:08,098
Carolyn: A year or twobefore Boy Scouts,
1555
01:22:08,098 --> 01:22:09,500
Doug was accusedof something.
1556
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:11,161
They wouldn´t say what.
1557
01:22:11,161 --> 01:22:13,263
Newscaster:
The Cascade Pacific Council
1558
01:22:13,263 --> 01:22:16,406
continued to allow Youngto serve as a Scoutmaster,
1559
01:22:16,406 --> 01:22:18,569
despite Young writingin a blog post
1560
01:22:18,569 --> 01:22:22,442
that he was investigatedfor abuse back in 2010.
1561
01:22:22,442 --> 01:22:23,974
If there
was allegations --
1562
01:22:23,974 --> 01:22:26,216
I don´t care
if they were unfounded or not --
1563
01:22:26,216 --> 01:22:27,578
that should be
a red flag
1564
01:22:27,578 --> 01:22:30,951
on letting someone be in charge
of young boys.
1565
01:22:30,951 --> 01:22:34,254
I´m just --
How can this happen?
1566
01:22:34,254 --> 01:22:36,527
Carolyn:
I want everybody to know,
1567
01:22:36,527 --> 01:22:39,259
you know, the Boy Scouts
are not what they say they are.
1568
01:22:39,259 --> 01:22:40,631
They´re just not.
1569
01:22:42,132 --> 01:22:44,294
[ Sniffles, sighs ]
1570
01:22:45,566 --> 01:22:47,437
I feel like a fool.
1571
01:22:49,069 --> 01:22:51,502
And...
1572
01:22:51,502 --> 01:22:53,744
[ Voice breaking ]
...I just feel so guilty
1573
01:22:53,744 --> 01:22:56,206
for putting him
in that situation.
1574
01:22:59,049 --> 01:23:01,481
[ Sighs ]
1575
01:23:03,984 --> 01:23:06,186
Director: Did you and
your brother ever talk about
1576
01:23:06,186 --> 01:23:09,159
what was happening
when you were in Boy Scouts?
No.
1577
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:11,191
Never.
1578
01:23:11,191 --> 01:23:13,664
We really don´t talk
about it now either.
1579
01:23:13,664 --> 01:23:16,366
We just kind of avoid it
with each other
1580
01:23:16,366 --> 01:23:18,028
´cause I find it --
1581
01:23:18,028 --> 01:23:20,531
Like, I think me and him
would be uncomfortable
1582
01:23:20,531 --> 01:23:22,573
telling each other
about stuff.
1583
01:23:27,738 --> 01:23:30,410
Do you have anything fragile
on your bed, bro?
1584
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:33,383
Kris: I don´t think so. Just
step over there or something.
1585
01:23:36,116 --> 01:23:38,418
Kris: I tell him a lot
that I´m very sorry
1586
01:23:38,418 --> 01:23:43,023
that I didn´t tell him to stop
doing that to my younger brother
1587
01:23:43,023 --> 01:23:44,755
because I didn´t want him
to have
1588
01:23:44,755 --> 01:23:46,797
the same traumatic experience
I did.
1589
01:23:48,098 --> 01:23:52,663
He was only in fourth grade,
I think,
1590
01:23:52,663 --> 01:23:56,667
and I hate that I didn´t
fricking tell him
1591
01:23:56,667 --> 01:23:58,669
to stop anything.
1592
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:03,273
That´s the part
that really makes me mad,
1593
01:24:03,273 --> 01:24:05,445
that he did that
to my younger brother.
1594
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,054
I don´t know if you can
actually see them or not.
1595
01:24:14,054 --> 01:24:16,727
I know the reason
why people cut.
1596
01:24:16,727 --> 01:24:20,661
You trade your emotional pain
for physical pain
1597
01:24:20,661 --> 01:24:22,833
´cause you´re dealing with
mental pain so...
1598
01:24:22,833 --> 01:24:25,195
so much,
you just want a break from it,
1599
01:24:25,195 --> 01:24:28,799
´cause you can´t distract
from it.
1600
01:24:28,799 --> 01:24:33,103
And you cut yourself,
and you have,
1601
01:24:33,103 --> 01:24:40,210
I guess, just physical damages
that you can focus on, I guess.
1602
01:24:41,682 --> 01:24:44,284
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1603
01:24:44,284 --> 01:24:48,288
♫♫
1604
01:24:48,288 --> 01:24:53,093
If somebody saw that I was
getting molested by a pedophile,
1605
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:56,166
he´s fucking doing -- sorry --
1606
01:24:56,166 --> 01:24:58,829
he´s doing stuff to you,
and it´s not normal,
1607
01:24:58,829 --> 01:25:00,631
and it´s not okay.
1608
01:25:00,631 --> 01:25:04,735
You need to get out or,
"Hey, I´m gonna call the police
1609
01:25:04,735 --> 01:25:09,209
and they´re gonna deal with
this," but nobody said anything.
1610
01:25:09,209 --> 01:25:11,411
♫♫
1611
01:25:11,411 --> 01:25:14,515
So I kind of just thought
I was on my own
1612
01:25:14,515 --> 01:25:16,687
and nobody would really hear me.
1613
01:25:16,687 --> 01:25:23,794
♫♫
1614
01:25:23,794 --> 01:25:26,497
Kris: Having this happen to youand then having, you know,
1615
01:25:26,497 --> 01:25:29,800
someone talk about youmaybe getting a payout for it,
1616
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,902
it doesn´t feel real to me.
1617
01:25:31,902 --> 01:25:34,434
It´s just kind of unbelievablethat something good
1618
01:25:34,434 --> 01:25:36,507
can actually come outof something bad.
1619
01:25:42,543 --> 01:25:44,615
My lawyer´s office called me
1620
01:25:44,615 --> 01:25:48,519
and told me that "the Boy Scouts
had been court ordered
1621
01:25:48,519 --> 01:25:53,183
to pay for therapy for you
and for your family
1622
01:25:53,183 --> 01:25:57,788
who may have been affected
by what you went through."
1623
01:25:57,788 --> 01:26:00,430
And so, um...
1624
01:26:01,291 --> 01:26:03,864
...I immediately said, "Yes.
I´ll take advantage of that."
1625
01:26:03,864 --> 01:26:07,367
If for nothing else,
then to punish the Boy Scouts.
1626
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:11,742
I also figured that may be
the only thing
1627
01:26:11,742 --> 01:26:13,774
I ever get out of this.
1628
01:26:13,774 --> 01:26:16,276
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1629
01:26:16,276 --> 01:26:18,208
♫♫
1630
01:26:18,208 --> 01:26:22,182
I know I´m not alone out there
as a victim.
1631
01:26:22,182 --> 01:26:23,884
Ron:
Hi, honey.
1632
01:26:23,884 --> 01:26:27,417
And I don´t know how it...
1633
01:26:27,417 --> 01:26:32,863
how it is manifested
in other people´s lives,
1634
01:26:32,863 --> 01:26:36,597
but it´s manifested itself
as rage inside of me
1635
01:26:36,597 --> 01:26:40,601
that comes out
at the most inopportune times
1636
01:26:40,601 --> 01:26:45,636
and to the most...
most undeserving people.
1637
01:26:45,636 --> 01:26:49,880
My wife doesn´t deserve
to be treated
1638
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,942
the way I´ve treated her
sometimes.
1639
01:26:51,942 --> 01:26:54,344
♫♫
1640
01:26:54,344 --> 01:26:55,746
Mary:
At one point,
1641
01:26:55,746 --> 01:26:58,749
I called the main headquarters
of the Boy Scouts
1642
01:26:58,749 --> 01:27:01,952
because I was so frustrated
in my marriage.
1643
01:27:02,853 --> 01:27:04,695
And I just said, "You know what?
1644
01:27:04,695 --> 01:27:09,229
I just want you to know how
this has affected our family."
1645
01:27:09,229 --> 01:27:12,563
And, you know, I don´t remember
the phone call verbatim,
1646
01:27:12,563 --> 01:27:16,436
but, um...
"There´s nothing we can do."
1647
01:27:16,436 --> 01:27:21,612
♫♫
1648
01:27:21,612 --> 01:27:22,943
Ron:
I´ve lost jobs
1649
01:27:22,943 --> 01:27:25,546
because sometimes people got
in my face
1650
01:27:25,546 --> 01:27:28,318
and their authority became
obnoxious to me.
1651
01:27:28,318 --> 01:27:32,322
And rather than be able
to play the game...
1652
01:27:32,322 --> 01:27:34,785
I let my rage break through.
1653
01:27:34,785 --> 01:27:37,528
"Eh. Bye."
1654
01:27:37,528 --> 01:27:39,029
Said, "There goes that job."
1655
01:27:41,792 --> 01:27:45,796
Many victims have learned
how to deal with that
1656
01:27:45,796 --> 01:27:48,639
so that they can get on
with their lives
1657
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:50,971
and still accomplish
what they want to.
1658
01:27:55,646 --> 01:27:57,948
I´m in a group
that just doesn´t seem
1659
01:27:57,948 --> 01:28:01,281
to be able to do that, so...
1660
01:28:02,382 --> 01:28:04,615
[ Sighs ]
1661
01:28:11,291 --> 01:28:14,394
Humphrey:
You know, living is difficult.
1662
01:28:14,394 --> 01:28:18,428
Think of all the stress
that comes when, you know,
1663
01:28:18,428 --> 01:28:22,833
you´re working
and you start raising a family.
1664
01:28:22,833 --> 01:28:29,339
And it´s these stresses in life
that accentuate that loneliness
1665
01:28:29,339 --> 01:28:33,383
and that emptiness and bring
all those memories back.
1666
01:28:33,383 --> 01:28:34,985
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1667
01:28:34,985 --> 01:28:37,948
It´s not just about
a financial settlement.
1668
01:28:37,948 --> 01:28:44,424
It´s about Boy Scouts admitting
that they did wrong
1669
01:28:44,424 --> 01:28:47,698
and they allowed wrong to happen
on their watch.
1670
01:28:47,698 --> 01:28:51,461
♫♫
1671
01:28:51,461 --> 01:28:54,064
So it´s important that we get
a settlement.
1672
01:28:54,064 --> 01:28:57,407
I mean, it´s the closest thing
to justice any of these people
1673
01:28:57,407 --> 01:28:58,869
will ever get.
1674
01:28:58,869 --> 01:29:03,974
And if we fail to do that,
then there´s no closure.
1675
01:29:03,974 --> 01:29:05,946
It has to happen.
1676
01:29:11,622 --> 01:29:12,723
Humphrey:
Alright. Here we go.
1677
01:29:12,723 --> 01:29:14,454
-Ready?-Ready.
1678
01:29:14,454 --> 01:29:16,356
Humphrey:
Hey, good evening, everybody.
1679
01:29:16,356 --> 01:29:21,091
Welcome to another
TCC town hall update.
1680
01:29:21,091 --> 01:29:23,534
We´re excited
that you´re with us.
1681
01:29:23,534 --> 01:29:27,538
I´m very excited to announcea guest that we have.
1682
01:29:27,538 --> 01:29:29,039
Michael Johnson.
1683
01:29:29,039 --> 01:29:31,542
He served for 10 yearswith the Boy Scouts
1684
01:29:31,542 --> 01:29:33,974
trying to improveand fix that program.
1685
01:29:33,974 --> 01:29:36,046
Well, listen, Michael,we just really appreciate
1686
01:29:36,046 --> 01:29:38,008
you being here tonight.
Johnson: Thank you very much.
1687
01:29:38,008 --> 01:29:43,083
You know, silence is complicityfor me, and I stood on that
1688
01:29:43,083 --> 01:29:45,656
and other moraland ethical principles.
1689
01:29:45,656 --> 01:29:47,387
Humphrey:
We certainly appreciate it.
1690
01:29:47,387 --> 01:29:49,760
You know, we asked youto sort of take a look
1691
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,063
at the planthat survivors are voting on.
1692
01:29:53,063 --> 01:29:55,896
And in your opinion,will the non-monetary portions
1693
01:29:55,896 --> 01:29:59,730
do anything to roll backsexual abuse in the Boy Scouts
1694
01:29:59,730 --> 01:30:01,001
the way it´s written today?No.
1695
01:30:01,001 --> 01:30:03,674
No, no.Absolutely not.
1696
01:30:03,674 --> 01:30:06,737
The Boy Scouts have beenat this what, 100-plus years.
1697
01:30:06,737 --> 01:30:08,679
You can´t trust themto do it themselves.
1698
01:30:08,679 --> 01:30:10,711
They´re incapable of doing it.
1699
01:30:10,711 --> 01:30:12,743
Culturally, they´re stuck.
1700
01:30:12,743 --> 01:30:15,786
They´ve got too muchcultural inbreeding
1701
01:30:15,786 --> 01:30:19,820
and nobody willing to risktheir neck to make a change.
1702
01:30:19,820 --> 01:30:22,553
So thank you once againfor attending.
1703
01:30:22,553 --> 01:30:24,595
Thank you for your couragein coming out.
1704
01:30:24,595 --> 01:30:26,527
We really appreciateyour support.
1705
01:30:26,527 --> 01:30:27,828
Johnson: Thank you very muchfor everything
1706
01:30:27,828 --> 01:30:29,159
that you guys are doing.Good luck.
1707
01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:30,731
Humphrey:
And just a general message
1708
01:30:30,731 --> 01:30:31,932
for everybody to hang in there.
1709
01:30:31,932 --> 01:30:32,963
You know,
1710
01:30:32,963 --> 01:30:34,705
the BSA and the insurers
1711
01:30:34,705 --> 01:30:37,037
and the local councils
are struggling
1712
01:30:37,037 --> 01:30:42,943
just to get their mind around
the magnitude of these numbers
1713
01:30:42,943 --> 01:30:45,646
because there´s so many of you.
1714
01:30:45,646 --> 01:30:47,017
Humphrey:
So we´re working through that.
1715
01:30:47,017 --> 01:30:50,020
We have a plan,and just hang in there.
1716
01:30:50,020 --> 01:30:53,724
And one day at a time.That´s what we´re trying to do.
1717
01:30:53,724 --> 01:30:56,757
So thanks, everybody.Have a great evening.
1718
01:30:56,757 --> 01:30:57,988
Good night.
1719
01:30:57,988 --> 01:30:59,489
Good night.
1720
01:30:59,489 --> 01:31:01,662
[ Sighs ]
1721
01:31:02,793 --> 01:31:05,135
You know,
our joke in the TCC is,
1722
01:31:05,135 --> 01:31:08,499
you know, what we´ll end up with
is a Starbucks card.
1723
01:31:08,499 --> 01:31:10,070
A friend of mine
used to joke with me.
1724
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:12,973
He says, "You know, money´s not
the most important thing.
1725
01:31:12,973 --> 01:31:16,577
But when you need it, it´s kind
of up there with oxygen."
1726
01:31:17,578 --> 01:31:19,479
And so I guess
that´s what I would say.
1727
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,481
It´s not
the most important thing,
1728
01:31:21,481 --> 01:31:24,014
but there´s a lot of these guys
that need it.
1729
01:31:24,014 --> 01:31:26,987
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1730
01:31:26,987 --> 01:31:30,861
Crew: At this point,we´re at an impasse.
1731
01:31:32,492 --> 01:31:36,497
For decades,both the local councils
1732
01:31:36,497 --> 01:31:41,902
and BSA National every yearbought insurance policies.
1733
01:31:43,534 --> 01:31:46,076
The fact of the matter is...
1734
01:31:46,076 --> 01:31:48,208
it´s the Scouts
and their parents
1735
01:31:48,208 --> 01:31:50,010
who bought those policies.
1736
01:31:50,010 --> 01:31:53,744
They´re the ones that paid those
premiums because they paid dues.
1737
01:31:53,744 --> 01:31:55,516
They took a portion
of those dues,
1738
01:31:55,516 --> 01:31:57,047
and they bought
insurance policies
1739
01:31:57,047 --> 01:31:59,149
starting back in the 1930s.
1740
01:31:59,149 --> 01:32:01,992
And so Scouts --
victims, survivors --
1741
01:32:01,992 --> 01:32:05,225
are the ones that have paid
for that insurance.
1742
01:32:06,827 --> 01:32:09,530
The insurance companies
are not engaging.
1743
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:14,935
The insurance companies
are basically saying...
1744
01:32:14,935 --> 01:32:17,137
"We´re not gonna be left
holding the bag."
1745
01:32:20,671 --> 01:32:24,244
GPS: In 1,000 feet, turn leftonto Corporate Drive.
1746
01:32:25,616 --> 01:32:28,218
Jaquiss: We got an e-mail fromthe Boy Scouts saying, "Okay.
1747
01:32:28,218 --> 01:32:30,080
We´re finally ready to talk."
1748
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,053
GPS: Turn right ontoExecutive Drive.
1749
01:32:33,053 --> 01:32:35,055
[ Turn signal clicking ]
1750
01:32:37,888 --> 01:32:39,560
[ Bell chiming ]
1751
01:32:44,595 --> 01:32:46,336
Jaquiss: This isthe national headquarters
1752
01:32:46,336 --> 01:32:48,238
of the Boy Scouts of America.
1753
01:32:48,238 --> 01:32:51,271
They actually built thisin 1979.
1754
01:32:51,271 --> 01:32:55,075
And the bankruptcy has causedthe Boy Scouts to lay off
1755
01:32:55,075 --> 01:32:56,907
more than half of their staff.
1756
01:32:56,907 --> 01:33:02,152
So inside are a coupleof floors of empty cubicles.
1757
01:33:07,117 --> 01:33:08,889
Hi, Jim.
I´m Nigel Jaquiss.
1758
01:33:08,889 --> 01:33:10,320
Nigel. Jim Turley.
Pleasure to meet you.
1759
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,062
Jaquiss: Thanks for coming
all the way down to see us.
1760
01:33:12,062 --> 01:33:13,724
Turley:
It´s my pleasure.
1761
01:33:13,724 --> 01:33:15,866
Alright.
Let´s get started.
1762
01:33:15,866 --> 01:33:17,267
How involved were you
in the decision
1763
01:33:17,267 --> 01:33:19,199
to declare bankruptcy
in 2020?
1764
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:20,871
I was involved, very involved.
1765
01:33:20,871 --> 01:33:23,604
I was the chair at the time.
1766
01:33:23,604 --> 01:33:25,175
Jaquiss:
What did it feel like?
1767
01:33:25,175 --> 01:33:27,808
Well, as you´d expect,
it felt horrible.
1768
01:33:27,808 --> 01:33:30,010
But we knew we were doing
the right thing
1769
01:33:30,010 --> 01:33:32,813
because we were doing it
for the right reason.
1770
01:33:32,813 --> 01:33:34,244
We wanted to ensure
1771
01:33:34,244 --> 01:33:37,017
that we could equitably
compensate our survivors,
1772
01:33:37,017 --> 01:33:38,749
and we also wanted to make sure
1773
01:33:38,749 --> 01:33:40,991
we could deliver the mission
of Scouting
1774
01:33:40,991 --> 01:33:42,853
for the next 100 years.
1775
01:33:42,853 --> 01:33:45,255
And going through
this bankruptcy filing,
1776
01:33:45,255 --> 01:33:50,030
as painful as it is, was a way
to accomplish both of those.
1777
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:51,762
Jaquiss: People said,
"Hey, the Scouts
1778
01:33:51,762 --> 01:33:53,303
pay their executives
very generously,
1779
01:33:53,303 --> 01:33:56,867
even though we´ve seen
since 2010
1780
01:33:56,867 --> 01:34:01,111
basically an annual operating
deficit or loss each year."
1781
01:34:01,111 --> 01:34:05,045
Yeah, our compensation
committee looks every year
1782
01:34:05,045 --> 01:34:07,748
at the compensation
of our executives,
1783
01:34:07,748 --> 01:34:10,180
actually does
market assessments,
1784
01:34:10,180 --> 01:34:12,022
and is quite confident
1785
01:34:12,022 --> 01:34:13,924
that they´re being
appropriately compensated
1786
01:34:13,924 --> 01:34:16,927
for the complexity
of their responsibility
1787
01:34:16,927 --> 01:34:19,129
compared to other
youth-serving organizations.
1788
01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:21,932
And so we feel very positive
about that.
1789
01:34:21,932 --> 01:34:23,864
Jaquiss: So,
how is it gonna be different
1790
01:34:23,864 --> 01:34:25,335
when you come out
of Chapter 11?
1791
01:34:25,335 --> 01:34:26,897
How is it culturally
1792
01:34:26,897 --> 01:34:28,438
and operationally
gonna be different?
1793
01:34:28,438 --> 01:34:33,243
I think the cultural changes
around youth protection
1794
01:34:33,243 --> 01:34:36,747
have already been made.
1795
01:34:36,747 --> 01:34:41,011
We´re not going to be
more focused on this
1796
01:34:41,011 --> 01:34:42,883
because of going
through bankruptcy.
1797
01:34:42,883 --> 01:34:46,216
Bankruptcy is a process
to compensate victims.
1798
01:34:46,216 --> 01:34:48,959
It´s not a process
of changing
1799
01:34:48,959 --> 01:34:52,022
the characteristic of Scouting.
1800
01:34:52,022 --> 01:34:54,094
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1801
01:34:54,094 --> 01:35:00,801
♫♫
1802
01:35:00,801 --> 01:35:02,703
Dr. Warren: I can assure youthat there are many,
1803
01:35:02,703 --> 01:35:04,805
many, many waysto sexually abuse a child,
1804
01:35:04,805 --> 01:35:07,077
and you don´t need to have themout in the woods
1805
01:35:07,077 --> 01:35:08,378
to bring that about.
1806
01:35:08,378 --> 01:35:14,244
♫♫
1807
01:35:14,244 --> 01:35:20,150
♫♫
1808
01:35:20,150 --> 01:35:22,923
These men don´t go away.
1809
01:35:22,923 --> 01:35:25,726
They don´t dissolve
out of the universe.
1810
01:35:25,726 --> 01:35:27,097
They just go somewhere else.
1811
01:35:27,097 --> 01:35:34,304
♫♫
1812
01:35:34,304 --> 01:35:37,267
How do we find the origins
of this pathology
1813
01:35:37,267 --> 01:35:40,240
that makes people want
to have sex with children?
1814
01:35:43,273 --> 01:35:46,076
We need to develop
a broader perspective
1815
01:35:46,076 --> 01:35:49,019
on how to protect children
1816
01:35:49,019 --> 01:35:50,881
as they move
through their lives.
1817
01:35:55,285 --> 01:35:57,327
Stewart: Scouting is aboutpreparing a young person
1818
01:35:57,327 --> 01:35:58,829
for life.
1819
01:35:58,829 --> 01:36:00,891
And fortunatelyor unfortunately,
1820
01:36:00,891 --> 01:36:03,133
part of my Scouting experienceprepared me for life
1821
01:36:03,133 --> 01:36:04,935
in a different way.
1822
01:36:04,935 --> 01:36:06,366
♫♫
1823
01:36:06,366 --> 01:36:08,168
My brother is 11 years olderthan I am,
1824
01:36:08,168 --> 01:36:09,840
so we didn´t do Scoutingtogether.
1825
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,772
But, you know, I heard stories
1826
01:36:11,772 --> 01:36:14,074
that they had an associate
Scoutmaster in his troop
1827
01:36:14,074 --> 01:36:15,475
in the ´70s in Dallas
1828
01:36:15,475 --> 01:36:20,350
that, you know,
had relationships with youth
1829
01:36:20,350 --> 01:36:21,982
that just weren´t proper.
1830
01:36:21,982 --> 01:36:24,114
♫♫
1831
01:36:24,114 --> 01:36:25,916
My brother was an all-state
football player
1832
01:36:25,916 --> 01:36:27,818
and, you know, big guy.
1833
01:36:27,818 --> 01:36:30,290
And I remember him telling me
the story about his Scoutmaster
1834
01:36:30,290 --> 01:36:32,062
coming in to his tent one night
1835
01:36:32,062 --> 01:36:33,824
and he just basically said,
you know, "Get off me,"
1836
01:36:33,824 --> 01:36:35,465
and, you know,
"I don´t want you to do that."
1837
01:36:35,465 --> 01:36:37,297
Kind of like, you know,
bullied him in a way
1838
01:36:37,297 --> 01:36:38,569
to, you know, get him off.
1839
01:36:38,569 --> 01:36:40,130
And that was kind of --
It was funny
1840
01:36:40,130 --> 01:36:42,072
´cause that was always
in my mind.
1841
01:36:42,072 --> 01:36:44,174
And then we moved here
in eighth grade,
1842
01:36:44,174 --> 01:36:46,837
and Camp Kikthawenund
up the road,
1843
01:36:46,837 --> 01:36:48,939
I had an experience where --
1844
01:36:48,939 --> 01:36:50,480
It´s funny,
´cause I can still smell him.
1845
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:52,112
I can still think about
his image
1846
01:36:52,112 --> 01:36:54,284
and who that person
was at that point in time.
1847
01:36:56,817 --> 01:36:58,849
An adult volunteer,
1848
01:36:58,849 --> 01:37:02,422
you know,
did a very similar thing to me.
1849
01:37:05,495 --> 01:37:07,958
And unlike my brother, I didn´t
necessarily have the strength
1850
01:37:07,958 --> 01:37:09,299
or the ability
as an eighth grader to,
1851
01:37:09,299 --> 01:37:10,931
you know, kind of just
push him off
1852
01:37:10,931 --> 01:37:13,003
and say, you know,
"Stop. What are you doing?"
1853
01:37:15,465 --> 01:37:18,068
You know, I stopped
participating in Scouting
1854
01:37:18,068 --> 01:37:19,570
every single week
and things of that nature.
1855
01:37:19,570 --> 01:37:21,942
I know it stopped me
from going to certain events,
1856
01:37:21,942 --> 01:37:24,344
and I never told my parents
what happened.
1857
01:37:24,344 --> 01:37:26,877
I assumed they knew.
1858
01:37:26,877 --> 01:37:29,019
But thankfully,
my father kept pushing forward.
1859
01:37:29,019 --> 01:37:30,921
I mean,
I´m glad that Scouting
1860
01:37:30,921 --> 01:37:34,985
was not ripped away from me
because of my own experience.
1861
01:37:34,985 --> 01:37:38,559
That individual, you know,
1862
01:37:38,559 --> 01:37:40,631
doesn´t represent Scouting
to me.
1863
01:37:43,363 --> 01:37:45,596
When you start hearing
that people at 52 years of age,
1864
01:37:45,596 --> 01:37:48,068
that was the average age that
most men who have been abused
1865
01:37:48,068 --> 01:37:49,640
will come to terms with that,
1866
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,603
and I was right around
50 years of age.
1867
01:37:52,603 --> 01:37:55,606
So when I say that Scouting
prepares you for life,
1868
01:37:55,606 --> 01:37:58,549
I think the silver lining
in all of this is,
1869
01:37:58,549 --> 01:38:00,280
yeah, I was abused,
1870
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,013
but I also was able to receive
healing through that.
1871
01:38:03,013 --> 01:38:07,487
I was also, you know, available
to understand the victims
1872
01:38:07,487 --> 01:38:10,260
and what they´re going through
right now,
1873
01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:12,593
anxiety and depression
and suicide.
1874
01:38:12,593 --> 01:38:14,294
I know those feelings.
1875
01:38:14,294 --> 01:38:21,471
♫♫
1876
01:38:21,471 --> 01:38:24,104
Our courts are going to
figure this out --
1877
01:38:24,104 --> 01:38:26,436
you know, how to fairly
compensate the victims.
1878
01:38:26,436 --> 01:38:29,640
The Scouts are going to
end up paying, you know,
1879
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,412
billions of dollars
to settle these claims.
1880
01:38:32,412 --> 01:38:34,184
And they´re gonna
have to sell properties.
1881
01:38:34,184 --> 01:38:35,546
They´re gonna have to
liquidate things
1882
01:38:35,546 --> 01:38:37,047
like the Norman Rockwell
collection,
1883
01:38:37,047 --> 01:38:38,318
whatever those things are.
1884
01:38:38,318 --> 01:38:40,490
But I´m confident
Scouting will survive.
1885
01:38:42,422 --> 01:38:44,655
I´m hopeful Scouting
will survive.
1886
01:38:47,357 --> 01:38:49,129
[ Voice breaking ]
Sorry.
1887
01:38:52,132 --> 01:38:56,937
♫♫
1888
01:38:56,937 --> 01:38:59,109
Crew:
I´m grateful for the survivors
1889
01:38:59,109 --> 01:39:02,012
that trust us
with their stories,
1890
01:39:02,012 --> 01:39:05,546
their unbelievably
heartbreaking stories.
1891
01:39:06,947 --> 01:39:11,081
I can´t tell you
how many have told me how...
1892
01:39:11,081 --> 01:39:15,686
they kind of divide their life
between before the abuse
1893
01:39:15,686 --> 01:39:18,959
and after the abuse
and how it changed
1894
01:39:18,959 --> 01:39:24,394
and how everything changed
at that moment in their life
1895
01:39:24,394 --> 01:39:31,241
and how so many of them
are haunted by...
1896
01:39:56,667 --> 01:40:03,574
They´re haunted
by who they would have become
1897
01:40:03,574 --> 01:40:05,335
if this never happened to them.
1898
01:40:05,335 --> 01:40:08,378
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1899
01:40:08,378 --> 01:40:17,087
♫♫
1900
01:40:17,087 --> 01:40:20,591
Turley: I think it´smy opportunity and obligation
1901
01:40:20,591 --> 01:40:26,356
to help make sure that Scoutingis the safest place for youth.
1902
01:40:26,356 --> 01:40:29,229
♫♫
1903
01:40:29,229 --> 01:40:31,461
I feel that is the place today.
1904
01:40:31,461 --> 01:40:33,604
We are incredibly safe.
1905
01:40:33,604 --> 01:40:40,571
I am so sorry
for what happened decades ago,
1906
01:40:40,571 --> 01:40:42,472
but I feel so good
about where we are today
1907
01:40:42,472 --> 01:40:45,475
and I know how committed
the organization is
1908
01:40:45,475 --> 01:40:48,278
to even continuing to improve
from here.
1909
01:40:48,278 --> 01:40:50,581
Jaquiss: And I remember
the Scout law that I learned,
1910
01:40:50,581 --> 01:40:52,282
you know,
45 years ago.
1911
01:40:52,282 --> 01:40:54,625
It changed my life
in many ways for the better.
1912
01:40:54,625 --> 01:40:56,426
But I wonder
how you weigh this.
1913
01:40:56,426 --> 01:40:59,660
So the benefit that you and I
got and millions of other people
1914
01:40:59,660 --> 01:41:03,193
got from Scouting
and the devastation
1915
01:41:03,193 --> 01:41:06,466
that it has wrought
on a significant number of men,
1916
01:41:06,466 --> 01:41:09,199
the good that it did
and the damage it did.
1917
01:41:11,572 --> 01:41:15,075
I´m glad these 82,000
came forward.
1918
01:41:15,075 --> 01:41:19,379
I´m glad we´re at a point
in time in our society
1919
01:41:19,379 --> 01:41:23,654
where people
will talk about abuse.
1920
01:41:23,654 --> 01:41:27,858
50 years ago, people didn´t
talk about abuse very often.
1921
01:41:27,858 --> 01:41:29,620
It was taboo.
1922
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:34,094
And so I actually look
at the opportunities
1923
01:41:34,094 --> 01:41:36,366
to make places better.
1924
01:41:36,366 --> 01:41:38,468
Jaquiss: Reporters are all
about hindsight.
1925
01:41:38,468 --> 01:41:41,672
In hindsight,
do you wish that,
1926
01:41:41,672 --> 01:41:44,374
from a sort of financial
structure point of view,
1927
01:41:44,374 --> 01:41:46,737
that you had
declared bankruptcy earlier,
1928
01:41:46,737 --> 01:41:48,779
or did you do it
the right time?
1929
01:41:48,779 --> 01:41:51,842
You know, reporters might be
all around hindsight,
1930
01:41:51,842 --> 01:41:53,584
but I´m not, you know?
1931
01:41:53,584 --> 01:41:57,217
So I like to live my life
out the windshield,
1932
01:41:57,217 --> 01:41:58,749
not the rearview mirror.
1933
01:41:58,749 --> 01:42:00,791
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1934
01:42:00,791 --> 01:42:07,127
♫♫
1935
01:42:07,127 --> 01:42:08,499
Jaquiss:
Before I was a reporter,
1936
01:42:08,499 --> 01:42:11,201
I was a commodity trader.
1937
01:42:11,201 --> 01:42:14,464
And if you buy a cargofull of, say, wheat,
1938
01:42:14,464 --> 01:42:16,707
most of it´s gonna be good.
1939
01:42:16,707 --> 01:42:19,770
But some of the wheat´sgonna be bad.
1940
01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:22,272
So there´s a costof doing business.
1941
01:42:22,272 --> 01:42:25,516
There´s collateral damage,if you will.
1942
01:42:25,516 --> 01:42:28,478
What I began to understand
1943
01:42:28,478 --> 01:42:30,621
is that the Boy Scouts
are in a commodity business,
1944
01:42:30,621 --> 01:42:32,182
and the commodity is boys.
1945
01:42:33,824 --> 01:42:38,158
And the Scouts looked at some
boys as collateral damage.
1946
01:42:38,158 --> 01:42:46,336
♫♫
1947
01:42:46,336 --> 01:42:54,545
♫♫
1948
01:42:54,545 --> 01:42:57,477
[ Birds chirping ]
1949
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,322
Humphrey:
You really can´t go back
1950
01:43:12,322 --> 01:43:14,464
and think about reconstructingcircumstances
1951
01:43:14,464 --> 01:43:16,296
for a different outcome.
1952
01:43:17,728 --> 01:43:21,271
Some people have the fortitudeto power through,
1953
01:43:21,271 --> 01:43:22,633
and some don´t.
1954
01:43:22,633 --> 01:43:26,376
And it´s not strengthor weakness.
1955
01:43:26,376 --> 01:43:27,978
That´s the way abuse is.
1956
01:43:30,981 --> 01:43:34,214
But I have witnessed
1957
01:43:34,214 --> 01:43:41,291
at least 30 men
give their testimony
1958
01:43:41,291 --> 01:43:43,293
to a small group of people.
1959
01:43:45,926 --> 01:43:48,358
And every time, it makes me cry.
1960
01:43:55,606 --> 01:44:02,673
It´s just so sad.
1961
01:44:02,673 --> 01:44:04,274
[ Sniffles ]
1962
01:44:04,274 --> 01:44:05,876
That this innocence...
1963
01:44:10,250 --> 01:44:13,483
...this innocence
in these beautiful places,
1964
01:44:13,483 --> 01:44:15,325
in these wonderful camps,
1965
01:44:15,325 --> 01:44:21,031
in these architectures of God
in the wilderness
1966
01:44:21,031 --> 01:44:27,598
were turned into horrific
hellholes for young boys.
1967
01:44:27,598 --> 01:44:33,644
And you hear this guttural...
1968
01:44:36,747 --> 01:44:40,581
...sobbing when
a 75-year-old man
1969
01:44:40,581 --> 01:44:43,283
recounts something that happened
to him when he was 13,
1970
01:44:43,283 --> 01:44:45,055
as it was yesterday.
1971
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,322
You...
1972
01:44:52,322 --> 01:44:56,697
When you hear that,
you understand alcoholism...
1973
01:44:56,697 --> 01:44:59,329
and drug abuse,
1974
01:44:59,329 --> 01:45:02,372
uh, because they´re just
trying to dull it down.
1975
01:45:02,372 --> 01:45:05,876
They got this little
record player in their head.
1976
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:15,586
That never turns off, ever...
no matter what they´re doing.
1977
01:45:15,586 --> 01:45:17,948
[ Down-tempo music plays ]
1978
01:45:17,948 --> 01:45:26,326
♫♫
1979
01:45:26,326 --> 01:45:34,535
♫♫
1980
01:45:34,535 --> 01:45:42,713
♫♫
1981
01:45:42,713 --> 01:45:50,921
♫♫
1982
01:45:50,921 --> 01:45:59,089
♫♫
1983
01:45:59,089 --> 01:46:01,832
Humphrey:
This is about figuring out
1984
01:46:01,832 --> 01:46:05,495
how to move from victimto survivor.
1985
01:46:06,537 --> 01:46:08,769
And that´s a very profoundprocess.
1986
01:46:08,769 --> 01:46:11,101
[ Birds chirping ]
1987
01:46:11,101 --> 01:46:12,873
♫♫
1988
01:46:12,873 --> 01:46:15,105
And I don´t think you can put
a price on that.
1989
01:46:15,105 --> 01:46:23,453
♫♫
1990
01:46:23,453 --> 01:46:31,592
♫♫
1991
01:46:31,592 --> 01:46:33,764
Pretty spectacular out here,
isn´t it?
1992
01:46:33,764 --> 01:46:36,166
Director:
It is.
1993
01:46:36,166 --> 01:46:38,028
Calms my soul.
1994
01:46:38,028 --> 01:46:39,600
[ Geese honking ]
1995
01:46:51,582 --> 01:46:54,945
[ The Old Joe Clarks´
"Passers By" plays ]
1996
01:46:54,945 --> 01:46:58,849
♫♫
1997
01:46:58,849 --> 01:47:01,852
♫ I laid down ♫
1998
01:47:01,852 --> 01:47:05,656
♫ And I went to sleep ♫
1999
01:47:05,656 --> 01:47:08,829
♫ I guess the rain ♫
2000
01:47:08,829 --> 01:47:12,603
♫ Kind of pulled me deep ♫
2001
01:47:12,603 --> 01:47:15,736
♫ I don´t know ♫
2002
01:47:17,668 --> 01:47:20,541
♫ And I don´t ask ♫
2003
01:47:26,116 --> 01:47:30,951
♫ Just like the sound ♫
2004
01:47:30,951 --> 01:47:34,725
♫ Splashin´ on the glass ♫
2005
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:43,063
♫ And I have walked ♫
2006
01:47:43,063 --> 01:47:46,837
♫ Through a world of sin ♫
2007
01:47:46,837 --> 01:47:50,571
♫ Where I was born ♫
2008
01:47:50,571 --> 01:47:52,843
♫ Born again ♫
2009
01:47:53,974 --> 01:47:56,507
♫ Ain´t no saint ♫
2010
01:47:58,749 --> 01:48:02,182
♫ But I ain´t no worse ♫
2011
01:48:07,217 --> 01:48:10,821
♫ You´ll be the last ♫
2012
01:48:12,663 --> 01:48:15,696
♫ But you weren´t the first ♫
2013
01:48:15,696 --> 01:48:25,075
♫♫
2014
01:48:25,075 --> 01:48:34,645
♫♫
2015
01:48:34,645 --> 01:48:44,024
♫♫
2016
01:48:44,024 --> 01:48:53,604
♫♫
2017
01:48:53,604 --> 01:49:02,973
♫♫
2018
01:49:02,973 --> 01:49:06,076
♫ Passers by ♫
2019
01:49:06,076 --> 01:49:09,580
♫ On the road of life ♫
2020
01:49:09,580 --> 01:49:12,082
♫ Are we going somewhere ♫
2021
01:49:12,082 --> 01:49:15,826
♫ Or just passing time? ♫
2022
01:49:16,887 --> 01:49:19,159
♫ ´Cause I don´t know ♫
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