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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,077 --> 00:00:02,160 Hey, it's Pat. Just wanted to call 2 00:00:02,369 --> 00:00:03,952 and congratulate you. That is such awesome news. 3 00:00:05,202 --> 00:00:08,285 In '77, the East Area Rapist began attacking couples. 4 00:00:08,535 --> 00:00:12,744 The sex was not his thing. The terror was the thing. 5 00:00:12,993 --> 00:00:15,494 I felt shamed. Did I wear something? 6 00:00:15,577 --> 00:00:18,786 It was a time where somehow it always came back to being 7 00:00:18,869 --> 00:00:19,786 the woman's fault. 8 00:00:19,993 --> 00:00:21,911 Michelle would have very vivid dreams. 9 00:00:21,993 --> 00:00:23,952 "There's a scream..." 10 00:00:24,494 --> 00:00:26,827 When I would wake her up, she'd be still half in the dream. 11 00:00:27,535 --> 00:00:29,327 We don't know who may be, like, 12 00:00:29,410 --> 00:00:31,202 slinking by us covered in blood. 13 00:00:32,202 --> 00:00:35,661 It was a hard pill to swallow that he got away 14 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:36,744 with these things. 15 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:39,243 The guy's getting more and more brutal as he goes. 16 00:00:40,285 --> 00:00:42,952 He wants to kill and he is going to kill. 17 00:00:59,118 --> 00:01:02,118 Test, test, test, test, test. 18 00:01:15,535 --> 00:01:16,661 Hello? 19 00:01:20,035 --> 00:01:21,035 Hello? 20 00:01:23,952 --> 00:01:24,993 Hello? 21 00:01:37,786 --> 00:01:39,993 EAST AREA RAPIST: 22 00:01:41,661 --> 00:01:43,869 Gonna kill you... 23 00:01:45,993 --> 00:01:48,619 Gonna kill you... 24 00:01:55,952 --> 00:01:56,993 Bitch. 25 00:01:58,661 --> 00:02:00,577 Bitch... 26 00:02:00,661 --> 00:02:02,619 Bitch... 27 00:02:02,702 --> 00:02:05,035 Bitch... 28 00:02:08,285 --> 00:02:10,118 He was a lunatic. 29 00:02:10,202 --> 00:02:11,619 Bitch. 30 00:02:11,702 --> 00:02:14,202 Unseen. So doubly feared. 31 00:02:15,202 --> 00:02:16,452 Hello? 32 00:02:16,535 --> 00:02:19,118 The danger of taking a wrong turn in the catacombs 33 00:02:19,202 --> 00:02:22,285 always looms in this case. 34 00:02:22,369 --> 00:02:24,410 Fucking whore. 35 00:02:25,993 --> 00:02:28,369 I turned to the retired detectives. 36 00:02:29,535 --> 00:02:33,077 I lamented that I felt I was grasping at straws. 37 00:02:35,243 --> 00:02:37,369 "My advice?" one said. 38 00:02:37,993 --> 00:02:39,452 "Grasp a straw, 39 00:02:39,535 --> 00:02:41,118 work it to dust." 40 00:03:34,952 --> 00:03:37,702 It definitely goes down as one of the biggest mysteries. 41 00:03:37,786 --> 00:03:38,786 That's for sure. 42 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:41,619 Just everything about it is a mystery. Um... 43 00:03:41,702 --> 00:03:45,160 And it has such a boogeyman aspect to it, you know. 44 00:03:45,243 --> 00:03:47,410 He does feel like a ghost sometimes. 45 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,452 By 1979, the East Area Rapist 46 00:03:58,535 --> 00:03:59,869 appeared to have stopped. 47 00:03:59,952 --> 00:04:02,243 It's quite possible the East Area Rapist 48 00:04:02,327 --> 00:04:05,494 takes a summer vacation just like you do. 49 00:04:05,577 --> 00:04:08,160 Let's hope he forgets to come home again. 50 00:04:10,327 --> 00:04:12,993 Our task force was... was shut down. 51 00:04:13,077 --> 00:04:16,702 And we were told that, now he's gone. 52 00:04:16,786 --> 00:04:18,827 He's no longer our problem. 53 00:04:18,911 --> 00:04:22,369 Crompton's bosses nearly danced with relief. 54 00:04:23,827 --> 00:04:27,702 But in reality, the East Area Rapist 55 00:04:27,786 --> 00:04:30,369 had only moved 400 miles south, 56 00:04:30,452 --> 00:04:35,202 where he would become known as the Original Night Stalker. 57 00:04:46,369 --> 00:04:48,243 Goleta is a bedroom community 58 00:04:48,327 --> 00:04:49,869 outside of Santa Barbara. 59 00:04:51,243 --> 00:04:53,577 Despite its safe reputation, 60 00:04:53,661 --> 00:04:56,869 few people would brave San Jose Creek 61 00:04:56,952 --> 00:04:58,661 alone at night. 62 00:05:02,452 --> 00:05:04,869 Michelle and I, it was in, 2013. 63 00:05:04,952 --> 00:05:07,410 We drove out here to Santa Barbara. 64 00:05:07,494 --> 00:05:09,952 And, we visited each of the scenes 65 00:05:10,035 --> 00:05:13,869 associated with the killer's, activity in this area. 66 00:05:24,869 --> 00:05:26,452 We definitely spent time under this bridge 67 00:05:26,535 --> 00:05:32,285 and probably passed through this area multiple times. 68 00:05:32,369 --> 00:05:36,118 His footprints were seen throughout this neighborhood. 69 00:05:36,202 --> 00:05:38,118 He... he had a unique pattern. 70 00:05:38,202 --> 00:05:41,661 So, there was evidence of him roaming 71 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:44,160 in that whole vicinity. 72 00:05:48,911 --> 00:05:51,577 Investigators felt like they knew the night 73 00:05:51,661 --> 00:05:52,786 that changed him. 74 00:05:53,410 --> 00:05:56,202 October 1st, 1979. 75 00:05:56,285 --> 00:05:58,202 That was the night a Goleta couple 76 00:05:58,285 --> 00:06:01,827 on Queen Ann Lane awakened to a blinding flashlight 77 00:06:01,911 --> 00:06:04,786 and a young man's clenched-teeth whisper. 78 00:06:05,952 --> 00:06:08,702 The woman was ordered to tie up her boyfriend. 79 00:06:09,535 --> 00:06:12,035 Then the intruder tied her. 80 00:06:12,118 --> 00:06:14,202 He led the woman into the living room 81 00:06:14,285 --> 00:06:17,035 and made her lie face-down on the floor, 82 00:06:17,118 --> 00:06:21,786 throwing a pair of tennis shorts over her head as a blindfold. 83 00:06:21,869 --> 00:06:23,369 They heard him enter their kitchen 84 00:06:23,452 --> 00:06:25,827 chanting to himself, "I'll kill you. 85 00:06:25,911 --> 00:06:28,535 I'll kill you. I'll kill you." 86 00:06:28,619 --> 00:06:29,952 A surge of adrenaline 87 00:06:30,035 --> 00:06:32,619 allowed the woman to escape her bindings 88 00:06:32,702 --> 00:06:35,160 and flee out the front door screaming. 89 00:06:38,452 --> 00:06:40,452 Right. Yeah. 90 00:06:42,786 --> 00:06:46,160 The couple's next-door neighbor was an FBI agent. 91 00:06:46,243 --> 00:06:50,202 Alerted by the woman's scream, he came outside just in time 92 00:06:50,285 --> 00:06:53,077 to see a man furiously pedal past 93 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,869 on a stolen silver Nishiki 10-speed. 94 00:06:55,952 --> 00:06:57,702 I saw him come out of the driveway, 95 00:06:57,786 --> 00:06:59,285 and he went this way. 96 00:06:59,369 --> 00:07:01,077 So you just said, what, "Stop," or something like that? 97 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,619 - I yelled at him, yeah. - Yeah. 98 00:07:02,702 --> 00:07:05,035 I got in my car. He was in front of me. 99 00:07:05,118 --> 00:07:08,327 I could see the reflector on the bicycle. 100 00:07:08,410 --> 00:07:10,744 Just gaining on him real quick. 101 00:07:10,827 --> 00:07:11,827 Yeah. 102 00:07:11,911 --> 00:07:14,285 And he came a couple hundred yards 103 00:07:14,369 --> 00:07:16,410 and he dumped the bike on the sidewalk 104 00:07:16,494 --> 00:07:17,911 and he climbed over a fence. 105 00:07:20,661 --> 00:07:23,619 Stan Los would later catch shit from local cops 106 00:07:23,702 --> 00:07:25,369 about why he didn't shoot the guy. 107 00:07:25,452 --> 00:07:27,118 "Why didn't you shoot him?" 108 00:07:27,202 --> 00:07:28,577 Well... 109 00:07:28,661 --> 00:07:30,911 See, but all I had at that point was a lone scream... 110 00:07:30,993 --> 00:07:32,661 And a kid on a bike. 111 00:07:32,744 --> 00:07:34,786 - ...and a kid on a bike. Or a person on a bike. - Yeah. Yeah. 112 00:07:34,869 --> 00:07:37,243 He couldn't have predicted that the next time 113 00:07:37,327 --> 00:07:39,369 he'd emerge a few blocks over... 114 00:07:40,369 --> 00:07:42,869 he'd be a full-blown killer. 115 00:07:44,118 --> 00:07:45,535 They're lucky. 116 00:07:45,619 --> 00:07:47,118 - When you think about it, I mean, no one... - They are. 117 00:07:47,202 --> 00:07:49,535 After that, no one, no one survived. 118 00:07:53,327 --> 00:07:57,077 This is a classic East Area Rapist-style attack. 119 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,702 They don't recognize that it's the same guy 120 00:07:59,786 --> 00:08:02,202 that's been attacking up in... up in Northern California, 121 00:08:02,285 --> 00:08:04,535 you know, so they have this standalone case. 122 00:08:06,744 --> 00:08:09,535 So much wasn't considered relevant then. 123 00:08:10,993 --> 00:08:13,077 But rewinding is important. 124 00:08:16,911 --> 00:08:19,285 Among the ways in which the East Area Rapist 125 00:08:19,369 --> 00:08:22,661 victimized those whom he targeted was stealing items 126 00:08:22,744 --> 00:08:25,369 that were personal and irreplaceable, 127 00:08:25,452 --> 00:08:27,035 items like wedding rings, 128 00:08:27,118 --> 00:08:30,535 jewelry that appeared to be inherited. 129 00:08:30,619 --> 00:08:32,786 Michelle felt that if she could find, 130 00:08:32,869 --> 00:08:35,786 somewhere in the wild, one of those items, 131 00:08:35,869 --> 00:08:37,952 that could be the thread that leads her 132 00:08:38,035 --> 00:08:39,661 to the East Area Rapist. 133 00:08:39,744 --> 00:08:43,160 I came across sort of very similar cufflinks 134 00:08:43,243 --> 00:08:45,619 with the same initials that looked the same. 135 00:08:45,702 --> 00:08:48,160 And I bought them, and at that point, I knew 136 00:08:48,243 --> 00:08:50,285 I needed to give it to an actual detective, 137 00:08:50,369 --> 00:08:53,410 you know, to see if we could find out where these came from. 138 00:09:02,619 --> 00:09:04,035 Are you recording at this point? 139 00:09:04,118 --> 00:09:07,118 Um, I just wanted to make sure I was. Yes. 140 00:09:07,202 --> 00:09:09,369 Any ideas that you have, 141 00:09:09,452 --> 00:09:11,869 I'm completely open to them. 142 00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:13,202 - Okay. - So... 143 00:09:13,285 --> 00:09:15,661 I had an interview set up with Larry Pool, 144 00:09:15,744 --> 00:09:17,118 the Orange County investigator 145 00:09:17,202 --> 00:09:21,118 who has led the cold case task force since the mid '90s. 146 00:09:21,202 --> 00:09:24,535 Every investigator I know that's been given 147 00:09:24,619 --> 00:09:28,535 the opportunity to examine this case feels that 148 00:09:28,619 --> 00:09:32,702 it's the case that they want solved before they die. 149 00:09:32,786 --> 00:09:36,035 I take a chance at the end of our conversation 150 00:09:36,118 --> 00:09:38,869 and reach into my bag for the cufflinks. 151 00:09:38,952 --> 00:09:41,202 Well, I have to tell you, I... We're just... 152 00:09:41,285 --> 00:09:42,535 I have insomnia sometimes. 153 00:09:42,619 --> 00:09:43,786 Sometimes at 3:00 in the morning, 154 00:09:43,869 --> 00:09:45,243 I would just start googling and look for things. 155 00:09:45,327 --> 00:09:47,160 - Me too. - Um... 156 00:09:47,243 --> 00:09:49,118 So, you know, 50 times, nothing happened. 157 00:09:49,202 --> 00:09:51,535 Then, lo and behold, I found some cufflinks. 158 00:09:51,619 --> 00:09:53,035 So, it's slightly unusual. 159 00:09:53,702 --> 00:09:55,494 'Cause you never know. 160 00:09:58,494 --> 00:09:59,952 I will... 161 00:10:02,786 --> 00:10:03,827 No, you can have them. 162 00:10:03,911 --> 00:10:05,786 - I can. - Yeah, yeah. Yes. 163 00:10:07,535 --> 00:10:10,577 I didn't know if I was gonna make you mad that I did that. 164 00:10:10,661 --> 00:10:12,911 Not at all. 165 00:10:12,993 --> 00:10:15,702 Good. I'm glad. 166 00:10:16,911 --> 00:10:20,786 He was overjoyed because he's been s... You know, 167 00:10:20,869 --> 00:10:23,243 searching for kind of out-of-the-box ways 168 00:10:23,327 --> 00:10:26,452 to solve this case anyway, and hadn't thought to do this. 169 00:10:26,535 --> 00:10:30,285 He tracked down the victims for, on a weekend, 170 00:10:30,369 --> 00:10:32,243 they thought they were the cufflinks. 171 00:10:32,327 --> 00:10:34,035 And so, we were incredibly excited. 172 00:10:34,118 --> 00:10:37,118 Turned out that they're not the actual cufflinks. 173 00:10:37,202 --> 00:10:40,285 Um, so... so that kind of trail ended. 174 00:10:40,369 --> 00:10:43,118 But it kind of opened up this... it definitely opened up 175 00:10:43,202 --> 00:10:46,118 a relationship with these detectives in which I would... 176 00:10:46,202 --> 00:10:49,619 The first time I heard about this woman 177 00:10:49,702 --> 00:10:51,118 named Michelle McNamara. 178 00:10:51,202 --> 00:10:53,118 Larry Pool brought her name up. 179 00:10:53,202 --> 00:10:58,535 And, he said there was this true-crime writer slash blogger 180 00:10:58,619 --> 00:11:00,786 who's interested in doing an article 181 00:11:00,869 --> 00:11:04,410 for Los Angeles Magazine on this case. 182 00:11:04,494 --> 00:11:06,452 At this point in time, I'd been involved 183 00:11:06,535 --> 00:11:08,993 in the East Area Rapist case for two decades. 184 00:11:09,077 --> 00:11:11,285 But the public just was unaware of it. 185 00:11:11,369 --> 00:11:14,285 The hope is... is that maybe by having greater 186 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:16,243 public attention, the right person 187 00:11:16,327 --> 00:11:19,035 will come forward and give the right tip. 188 00:11:20,118 --> 00:11:22,911 Michelle called me shortly after that. 189 00:11:22,993 --> 00:11:26,619 Do you have any source material 190 00:11:26,702 --> 00:11:28,327 that you could give me? 191 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:30,619 And I'm being very standoffish. 192 00:11:30,702 --> 00:11:32,535 You know, I have had things that I've said 193 00:11:32,619 --> 00:11:34,661 taken out of context put in the press. 194 00:11:34,744 --> 00:11:36,786 So, I was giving very vague answers. 195 00:11:36,869 --> 00:11:39,494 And then she would follow up and say, "No, hold on. 196 00:11:39,577 --> 00:11:40,702 Isn't this true?" 197 00:11:40,786 --> 00:11:42,494 And she'd bring up a fact about the case. 198 00:11:42,577 --> 00:11:45,619 And I was going, " she knows, she knows her stuff." 199 00:11:45,702 --> 00:11:49,869 I started telling her things about my investigation 200 00:11:49,952 --> 00:11:51,243 off the record. 201 00:11:51,327 --> 00:11:53,786 Three months after the very first attack 202 00:11:53,869 --> 00:11:57,035 down in Goleta, Santa Barbara, there's a double homicide 203 00:11:57,118 --> 00:11:59,035 right next to the San Jose Creek. 204 00:11:59,118 --> 00:12:00,577 Right. 205 00:12:00,661 --> 00:12:04,243 The Horinek-Himmel attack is October of '79, 206 00:12:04,327 --> 00:12:08,619 and then Offerman-Manning attack is at the end of December '79. 207 00:12:08,702 --> 00:12:13,744 And they are within a few blocks of each other. 208 00:12:13,827 --> 00:12:16,786 On the morning of December 30th, 1979, 209 00:12:16,869 --> 00:12:19,035 Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies 210 00:12:19,118 --> 00:12:20,911 responded to a call at the condo 211 00:12:20,993 --> 00:12:24,535 of osteopathic surgeon Dr. Robert Offerman 212 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:27,952 and his new girlfriend, psychologist Debra Manning. 213 00:12:28,035 --> 00:12:31,118 Their good friends had arrived for a tennis game 214 00:12:31,202 --> 00:12:34,202 and found a sliding glass door open. 215 00:12:34,285 --> 00:12:35,577 Our offender goes in. 216 00:12:35,661 --> 00:12:38,827 He gets both Offerman and Manning bound face-down 217 00:12:38,911 --> 00:12:40,786 in the bed. And then he leaves, 218 00:12:40,869 --> 00:12:42,911 like he typically would do, to get the dishes 219 00:12:42,993 --> 00:12:44,577 or whatever else. 220 00:12:44,661 --> 00:12:46,577 Something he did with the rapes was... was like he tied you up, 221 00:12:46,661 --> 00:12:48,952 and then he would go and eat in your kitchen. 222 00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:52,243 At the Offerman condo, it was right near Christmas, 223 00:12:52,327 --> 00:12:55,494 and he had taken out the turkey and eaten it. 224 00:12:58,243 --> 00:13:00,869 He goes back in to check on the victims, 225 00:13:00,952 --> 00:13:03,744 and Dr. Offerman has slipped his bindings 226 00:13:03,827 --> 00:13:05,494 and gets up and charges him. 227 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:08,744 The offender shoots Offerman, 228 00:13:08,827 --> 00:13:11,118 then goes and shoots Dr. Manning 229 00:13:11,202 --> 00:13:14,410 in the back of her head, and then runs off. 230 00:13:14,494 --> 00:13:18,077 Because this case went sideways, he never got a chance 231 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,118 to sexually assault Debra Manning. 232 00:13:20,202 --> 00:13:22,452 Do you know what kind of haunts me is, 233 00:13:22,535 --> 00:13:25,661 do you know what book was on Offerman's night table? 234 00:13:25,744 --> 00:13:28,993 Offerman was reading something like, How to Be Assertive. 235 00:13:29,661 --> 00:13:30,702 Really? 236 00:13:30,786 --> 00:13:32,993 Yeah. It was just kind of like, oy. 237 00:13:40,786 --> 00:13:44,118 I had, heard of the murders 238 00:13:44,202 --> 00:13:45,702 in Southern California. 239 00:13:46,494 --> 00:13:47,661 So, I call Santa Barbara. 240 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:49,993 I said, "I think the Original Night Stalker 241 00:13:50,077 --> 00:13:51,661 is the East Area Rapist." 242 00:13:51,744 --> 00:13:53,661 And they said, "Don't know what you're talking about. 243 00:13:53,744 --> 00:13:56,452 We don't have anything like that down here." 244 00:13:56,535 --> 00:13:59,993 And then, in February, I was sent down to San Diego 245 00:14:00,077 --> 00:14:01,327 to take a class. 246 00:14:01,410 --> 00:14:03,369 And there happened to be a Santa Barbara deputy 247 00:14:03,452 --> 00:14:05,327 in the class. And I got talking to him. 248 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:07,869 And he said, "Yeah, yeah, we had the, 249 00:14:07,952 --> 00:14:09,285 the double homicide." 250 00:14:09,369 --> 00:14:10,619 "A matter of fact," he said, 251 00:14:10,702 --> 00:14:13,786 "they had an attempted rape before that." 252 00:14:13,869 --> 00:14:15,118 And I said, "What?" 253 00:14:16,285 --> 00:14:20,410 So, I got those reports, and the tie-ups. 254 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:23,577 And, the ski mask. 255 00:14:24,410 --> 00:14:27,410 It all was there. 256 00:14:27,494 --> 00:14:30,494 I know that it's the same person. 257 00:14:30,577 --> 00:14:32,619 According to sheriff spokesman Bill Miller, 258 00:14:32,702 --> 00:14:33,952 the department sent an investigator 259 00:14:34,035 --> 00:14:35,619 to Santa Barbara last week 260 00:14:35,702 --> 00:14:37,535 to look into the December shootings 261 00:14:37,619 --> 00:14:40,202 of a physician and his psychologist girlfriend. 262 00:14:40,285 --> 00:14:41,661 Two people were murdered. 263 00:14:41,744 --> 00:14:43,993 But what they have there is just the evidence 264 00:14:44,077 --> 00:14:46,410 at the scene which, is a strong indication 265 00:14:46,494 --> 00:14:47,869 it could be the same man. 266 00:14:47,952 --> 00:14:49,827 However, when I talked to Sergeant William Baker 267 00:14:49,911 --> 00:14:51,744 of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's department, 268 00:14:51,827 --> 00:14:53,202 I got a very different view. 269 00:14:53,285 --> 00:14:57,452 SERGEANT WILLIAM BAKER: 270 00:15:06,786 --> 00:15:09,535 Until we put a face on a killer who remains 271 00:15:09,619 --> 00:15:10,577 a question mark, 272 00:15:10,661 --> 00:15:13,619 he will continue to hold sway over us. 273 00:15:14,661 --> 00:15:17,661 I wonder at times if I need to step back. 274 00:15:20,035 --> 00:15:23,160 "He can't hurt me," I say, 275 00:15:23,243 --> 00:15:26,035 not realizing that in every minute spent hunting him 276 00:15:26,118 --> 00:15:30,535 and not cuddling my daughter, he already has. 277 00:15:37,035 --> 00:15:38,494 Hey, I'm Nancy. 278 00:15:45,327 --> 00:15:47,661 Michelle ultimately came up with 279 00:15:47,744 --> 00:15:50,410 the name "Golden State Killer" 'cause it makes sense. 280 00:15:50,494 --> 00:15:52,661 He terrorized up and down the state. 281 00:15:54,369 --> 00:16:00,577 It was an effort to recognize that he was a predator of... 282 00:16:00,661 --> 00:16:04,410 people's vision of California, of their dreams. 283 00:16:04,494 --> 00:16:06,911 He had kind of, like, floated under the radar. 284 00:16:06,993 --> 00:16:08,577 Whereas the Zodiac or 285 00:16:08,661 --> 00:16:10,327 you know, Son of Sam got all this attention. 286 00:16:10,410 --> 00:16:12,911 And I thought, this guy had ten times more victims 287 00:16:12,993 --> 00:16:15,118 than those people. And he was ten times worse. 288 00:16:15,202 --> 00:16:17,410 And we should know about him and we should all care, 289 00:16:17,494 --> 00:16:20,744 and we should get justice for these people. 290 00:16:20,827 --> 00:16:24,327 The night that we put that story up, 291 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:26,160 it exploded. 292 00:16:26,243 --> 00:16:29,619 In the sharing of it, it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. 293 00:16:29,702 --> 00:16:31,202 Roger Ebert tweeted about it. 294 00:16:31,285 --> 00:16:33,786 It was her first major piece of writing. 295 00:16:33,869 --> 00:16:37,494 What Michelle did was introduce herself 296 00:16:37,577 --> 00:16:41,369 as a really important figure, a sympathetic figure, 297 00:16:41,452 --> 00:16:43,869 and the person that we needed to get to know, 298 00:16:43,952 --> 00:16:47,369 almost in a memoir way that would help bring 299 00:16:47,452 --> 00:16:49,786 these sort of disparate collection 300 00:16:49,869 --> 00:16:51,577 of tragedies together. 301 00:16:55,118 --> 00:16:57,993 It was so beautifully, and, like, personally written. 302 00:16:58,077 --> 00:17:00,661 It was like every case was... Happened to someone 303 00:17:00,744 --> 00:17:02,160 that was a friend of hers. 304 00:17:02,243 --> 00:17:04,160 It wasn't just the usual reporting. 305 00:17:04,243 --> 00:17:07,993 It was also like a very subtle call to action. 306 00:17:08,077 --> 00:17:14,827 I hadn't read anything that well-written in this field 307 00:17:14,911 --> 00:17:17,077 since probably Truman Capote. 308 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,202 It was just, you know, one of those things 309 00:17:19,285 --> 00:17:21,410 where the hairs on the back of your neck stood up. 310 00:17:31,952 --> 00:17:33,452 You know, that's when... 311 00:17:34,285 --> 00:17:36,702 things really started for her. 312 00:17:44,202 --> 00:17:46,369 I called Michelle, and I said that I would be 313 00:17:46,452 --> 00:17:48,911 the right person to represent that book 314 00:17:48,993 --> 00:17:50,952 if she wanted to turn it into one. 315 00:17:51,035 --> 00:17:54,535 I think the best way to sell this is for you to come 316 00:17:54,619 --> 00:17:57,744 to New York and meet with the publishers. 317 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,243 Daniel Greenberg said 318 00:18:00,327 --> 00:18:03,827 he was gonna send the proposal for a true crime book 319 00:18:03,911 --> 00:18:06,243 that would transcend the genre. 320 00:18:06,327 --> 00:18:10,160 The thing that drew me to it the most was the way Michelle 321 00:18:10,243 --> 00:18:12,160 humanized all of the victims. 322 00:18:12,243 --> 00:18:15,077 And the fact that Michelle herself is one part of the story 323 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,243 was so interesting. 324 00:18:16,327 --> 00:18:19,827 And that was what I thought truly set it apart. 325 00:18:19,911 --> 00:18:23,202 I remember being at Shutters at the Beach. 326 00:18:23,285 --> 00:18:24,577 Me and Michelle and Alice. 327 00:18:24,661 --> 00:18:29,577 And then, Michelle got the call that she had sold the book. 328 00:18:29,661 --> 00:18:31,577 And we were very, very excited. 329 00:18:31,661 --> 00:18:32,869 I ordered up champagne. 330 00:18:32,952 --> 00:18:34,327 And Alice was jumping up and down the bed 331 00:18:34,410 --> 00:18:36,827 because Mommy was so excited about something. 332 00:18:53,993 --> 00:18:55,285 Alice, can you come down 333 00:18:55,369 --> 00:18:56,619 and sit on the couch for a second? 334 00:18:56,702 --> 00:18:57,993 Sorry. 335 00:18:58,077 --> 00:19:00,993 Um, Alice, come down, okay? 336 00:19:02,202 --> 00:19:03,952 You want to go see Mercedes and... 337 00:19:04,035 --> 00:19:05,452 We go watch... 338 00:19:09,118 --> 00:19:11,619 -What? -Let's go Peppa Pig. 339 00:19:11,702 --> 00:19:14,452 You are watching Peppa Pig. But Mommy's talking. 340 00:19:14,535 --> 00:19:17,035 I go watch Peppa Pig. 341 00:19:17,118 --> 00:19:20,202 Okay. Can you, um... 342 00:19:23,243 --> 00:19:24,243 ...but... 343 00:19:26,077 --> 00:19:28,494 yeah. I don't know. Um... 344 00:19:28,577 --> 00:19:30,744 So, where would you start with this, then? 345 00:19:31,993 --> 00:19:34,619 Gosh. 346 00:19:35,577 --> 00:19:37,035 Op. Gosh. 347 00:19:37,118 --> 00:19:39,160 I... hey. 348 00:19:39,243 --> 00:19:41,327 You go watch Peppa Pig, and then I'll put your clothes on, 349 00:19:41,410 --> 00:19:42,661 and we'll go. 350 00:19:42,744 --> 00:19:44,869 You go. Go put on your clothes, thank you. 351 00:19:44,952 --> 00:19:46,202 Go put on your clothes. 352 00:19:47,911 --> 00:19:49,202 Um... 353 00:19:49,285 --> 00:19:52,619 I mean, I would just recanvass those neighborhoods. 354 00:19:52,702 --> 00:19:56,035 I would look through every police record 355 00:19:56,118 --> 00:19:58,243 from year before and a year after. 356 00:19:58,327 --> 00:19:59,993 I mean, I think there's things you can do. 357 00:20:00,077 --> 00:20:01,619 Again, it's just time, energy... 358 00:20:01,702 --> 00:20:03,952 After we finished that piece, it was like, " 359 00:20:04,035 --> 00:20:05,035 we're done." 360 00:20:05,118 --> 00:20:06,535 I was, like, kind of traumatized. 361 00:20:06,619 --> 00:20:07,993 I had weird dreams. 362 00:20:08,077 --> 00:20:13,452 I don't think I realized how toxic and scary it would be. 363 00:20:13,535 --> 00:20:15,369 But I was done. 364 00:20:15,452 --> 00:20:17,661 Like, I'm gonna go now work on a piece 365 00:20:17,744 --> 00:20:22,285 about tacos for the next issue of Los Angeles Magazine. 366 00:20:22,369 --> 00:20:23,661 Michelle had to continue. 367 00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:25,243 She was like, "I got to keep going. 368 00:20:25,327 --> 00:20:27,243 I've got to keep... I've got to keep go... 369 00:20:27,327 --> 00:20:29,369 I've got to keep working on this." 370 00:20:58,077 --> 00:21:00,452 Michelle and I, we were developing this... 371 00:21:00,535 --> 00:21:03,160 this friendly relationship. 372 00:21:03,243 --> 00:21:05,452 So, when her article was released, 373 00:21:05,535 --> 00:21:06,952 I was holding my breath. 374 00:21:07,035 --> 00:21:09,494 And I get to the end of the article, 375 00:21:09,577 --> 00:21:11,369 I was like, "Thank God." 376 00:21:11,452 --> 00:21:12,993 She kept her word. 377 00:21:13,869 --> 00:21:14,952 I could trust her. 378 00:21:16,077 --> 00:21:18,077 We had more phone calls... 379 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,285 and agreed to establish some... some email communications. 380 00:21:22,077 --> 00:21:23,911 And it was really at that moment 381 00:21:23,993 --> 00:21:26,702 in which it clicked between Michelle and I. 382 00:21:27,827 --> 00:21:29,369 She proved herself to me. 383 00:21:29,452 --> 00:21:31,243 And I basically opened wide open, 384 00:21:31,327 --> 00:21:34,952 in terms of this is where I'm going with my investigation. 385 00:21:38,369 --> 00:21:41,494 what I've got is I've got just your general list of the cases 386 00:21:41,577 --> 00:21:43,202 and the attack times. 387 00:21:43,285 --> 00:21:45,619 When you take a look at the homicides down south... 388 00:21:47,077 --> 00:21:48,786 ...um, all the victims appear to have been bound, 389 00:21:48,869 --> 00:21:50,786 though he sometimes left the bindings 390 00:21:50,869 --> 00:21:52,035 and later on, he took all the bindings. 391 00:21:52,118 --> 00:21:53,619 And do you think he took the bindings 392 00:21:53,702 --> 00:21:55,410 because he was evolving and kind of learning 393 00:21:55,494 --> 00:21:57,535 and didn't want to leave evidence? 394 00:21:57,619 --> 00:21:59,494 Well, that... that's a possibility. 395 00:22:00,744 --> 00:22:02,410 Well, and also you said, interestingly, I mean, 396 00:22:02,494 --> 00:22:04,952 before you were talking about how he killed defensively. 397 00:22:05,035 --> 00:22:07,869 It seems by the time the Smith case in Ventura 398 00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:09,827 came around, he wasn't doing that anymore. 399 00:22:09,911 --> 00:22:13,369 It was more pure rage, "I wanna murder these people." 400 00:22:13,452 --> 00:22:14,577 Yeah. 401 00:22:19,952 --> 00:22:21,869 You can kind of see the comings and goings 402 00:22:21,952 --> 00:22:23,661 of the people... 403 00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:25,993 without anybody really being suspicious 404 00:22:26,077 --> 00:22:28,327 about what you're up to. 405 00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:31,619 So do we know where the back of the house is? 406 00:22:36,077 --> 00:22:37,369 Yeah, that's it. 407 00:22:38,744 --> 00:22:40,744 This is the victim's backyard. 408 00:22:44,243 --> 00:22:46,577 Lyman Smith was a well-known attorney 409 00:22:46,661 --> 00:22:49,993 on the verge of a superior court judgeship. 410 00:22:50,077 --> 00:22:52,952 His wife Charlene was an interior designer 411 00:22:53,035 --> 00:22:54,786 with a jewelry business. 412 00:23:03,786 --> 00:23:05,577 It was a regular Sunday, 413 00:23:05,661 --> 00:23:07,535 and my younger brother Gary 414 00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:10,160 had gone up to mow the lawn at my dad's house. 415 00:23:13,619 --> 00:23:15,202 But then he went into the house, 416 00:23:15,285 --> 00:23:17,202 and he could hear the alarm going off. 417 00:23:19,702 --> 00:23:21,202 And Gary thought, "Crap. 418 00:23:21,285 --> 00:23:22,535 They're just getting up right now," 419 00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,869 which is weird 'cause it was noon or one. 420 00:23:24,952 --> 00:23:26,452 It just kept buzzing. 421 00:23:28,118 --> 00:23:30,369 So, he walked back to the bedroom. 422 00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:33,202 He saw they were still in bed, and he still did the, like, 423 00:23:33,285 --> 00:23:34,869 "Ooh, I need to give them privacy." 424 00:23:34,952 --> 00:23:36,202 But at the same time thought, 425 00:23:36,285 --> 00:23:37,410 "This is weird. They're not moving, 426 00:23:37,494 --> 00:23:38,786 and the alarm's still going off." 427 00:23:38,869 --> 00:23:41,744 So, he walked around to my dad's side of the bed. 428 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,369 He turned off the alarm and lifted back the cover 429 00:23:47,452 --> 00:23:51,911 and saw that color of what I imagine was dried blood. 430 00:23:51,993 --> 00:23:55,202 He also knew they weren't moving and there was big trouble. 431 00:23:55,285 --> 00:23:58,661 He put the cover back and picked up the phone 432 00:23:58,744 --> 00:24:01,993 that was there by the bed and called 911. 433 00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:06,243 We started to learn a lot more about what had happened 434 00:24:06,327 --> 00:24:09,702 in the house and how they died, how they'd been murdered. 435 00:24:09,786 --> 00:24:12,952 And it was a lot worse than anybody thought. 436 00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:18,911 The offender is able to get Lyman face down and bound. 437 00:24:18,993 --> 00:24:21,619 Probably had Charlene bind Lyman. 438 00:24:21,702 --> 00:24:24,619 He's even using the... the blanket 439 00:24:24,702 --> 00:24:26,702 tucked up underneath his arms 440 00:24:26,786 --> 00:24:28,619 to make it even that much more difficult 441 00:24:28,702 --> 00:24:32,577 for Lyman to be able to escape out of the bed. 442 00:24:34,118 --> 00:24:36,744 Instead of leaving the room and moving 443 00:24:36,827 --> 00:24:38,702 the woman out to the family room, 444 00:24:38,786 --> 00:24:40,243 like he typically would do, 445 00:24:40,327 --> 00:24:42,369 I think he is sexually assaulting Charlene 446 00:24:42,452 --> 00:24:44,369 with Lyman still in that bed. 447 00:24:45,452 --> 00:24:50,327 At some point, he goes and retrieves a log 448 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:51,827 and bludgeons them to death. 449 00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:57,077 The homicides up to this point in time were shooting deaths 450 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,993 because he was reacting defensively. 451 00:25:01,077 --> 00:25:05,327 This is the first time that it goes the way he wants, 452 00:25:05,410 --> 00:25:09,327 and he probably realized a huge psychological release 453 00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:12,243 from accomplishing this task. 454 00:25:16,786 --> 00:25:19,410 Five months after the Smith homicides, 455 00:25:19,494 --> 00:25:22,452 we see the next attack in August of 1980 456 00:25:22,535 --> 00:25:23,993 down in Laguna Niguel 457 00:25:24,077 --> 00:25:27,327 with Keith and Patrice Harrington. 458 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:31,535 This case identically mirrors the Smith case in Ventura. 459 00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:34,535 Going into a gated community to pick that... 460 00:25:34,619 --> 00:25:35,744 Yes. 461 00:25:43,952 --> 00:25:46,661 Keith was a fourth-year medical student. 462 00:25:46,744 --> 00:25:50,452 His wife of four months, Patty, was a registered nurse. 463 00:25:51,786 --> 00:25:53,869 Keith and Patrice Harrington. 464 00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:56,577 They're found face-down in their bed. 465 00:25:56,661 --> 00:25:59,869 They'd been bludgeoned to death with an unknown type weapon. 466 00:25:59,952 --> 00:26:01,869 A metal fragment consistent with brass 467 00:26:01,952 --> 00:26:04,452 was found in Patty's head wound. 468 00:26:04,535 --> 00:26:06,243 That suggested that someone picked up 469 00:26:06,327 --> 00:26:08,744 one of the newly installed brass sprinkler heads 470 00:26:08,827 --> 00:26:11,452 from the yard and slipped inside the house. 471 00:26:11,535 --> 00:26:13,993 In a subdivision with a manned gate, 472 00:26:14,077 --> 00:26:15,661 it was high-risk. 473 00:26:15,744 --> 00:26:17,535 It suggested the killer's pleasure 474 00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:20,661 was in part derived from raising the stakes. 475 00:26:20,744 --> 00:26:22,911 And then six months later, 476 00:26:22,993 --> 00:26:24,993 in February of 1981, 477 00:26:25,077 --> 00:26:28,035 the Original Night Stalker shows up in Irvine 478 00:26:28,118 --> 00:26:29,911 and attacks Manuela Witthuhn. 479 00:26:29,993 --> 00:26:31,452 Investigator Veach 480 00:26:31,535 --> 00:26:33,243 with the Irvine Police Department. 481 00:26:33,327 --> 00:26:36,243 The time is approximately 14:05. 482 00:26:36,327 --> 00:26:39,035 Investigating an apparent homicide, 483 00:26:39,118 --> 00:26:44,577 which occurred sometime, during the last evening hours. 484 00:26:44,661 --> 00:26:47,243 Manuela was wearing a brown velour robe 485 00:26:47,327 --> 00:26:49,535 and was partially wrapped in a sleeping bag 486 00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:52,243 which she sometimes slept in when she was cold. 487 00:26:52,327 --> 00:26:54,160 The sleeping bag was placed 488 00:26:54,243 --> 00:26:56,035 over the top of her head. 489 00:26:56,118 --> 00:26:58,202 And, she was struck over the head, 490 00:26:58,285 --> 00:26:59,577 with an object, 491 00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:03,077 causing a hole in the, bag itself. 492 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,452 The lamp's absence gave police a good idea 493 00:27:05,535 --> 00:27:07,786 of the heavy object that was used 494 00:27:07,869 --> 00:27:09,744 to bludgeon Manuela to death. 495 00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:11,118 In Manuela's case, 496 00:27:11,202 --> 00:27:12,369 she had been sexually assaulted, 497 00:27:12,452 --> 00:27:14,410 bound, and then bludgeoned to death 498 00:27:14,494 --> 00:27:16,243 just like the previous victims. 499 00:27:16,327 --> 00:27:18,494 It's just now we don't have a male present. 500 00:27:23,202 --> 00:27:24,911 In that offense. 501 00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:28,661 Right, right. 502 00:27:28,744 --> 00:27:30,494 My brother Dave, he had a respiratory infection. 503 00:27:30,577 --> 00:27:32,827 So, the recommendation was that he get checked in 504 00:27:32,911 --> 00:27:34,952 the hospital for a couple days. 505 00:27:35,035 --> 00:27:39,744 He had an incredible dose of survivor's remorse. 506 00:27:39,827 --> 00:27:42,452 He said over and over, "If I would've been home, 507 00:27:42,535 --> 00:27:44,243 this never would've happened." 508 00:27:49,118 --> 00:27:50,993 Couple days after the funeral, I went over 509 00:27:51,077 --> 00:27:52,410 and stayed with my brother. 510 00:27:52,494 --> 00:27:53,911 He, you know, was having a few beers, 511 00:27:53,993 --> 00:27:56,243 and I noticed he was getting a little, you know, 512 00:27:56,327 --> 00:27:58,661 he was, drinking a little bit. 513 00:27:58,744 --> 00:28:02,410 And he just all of a sudden, He just said, you know, 514 00:28:02,494 --> 00:28:04,285 "Drew, they think I killed her." 515 00:28:05,661 --> 00:28:07,077 He said... Well... 516 00:28:11,118 --> 00:28:12,535 And I didn't know what to say to that. 517 00:28:12,619 --> 00:28:14,452 So, I just said, "Did you?" 518 00:28:14,535 --> 00:28:15,869 I mean, it just kinda came out. 519 00:28:15,952 --> 00:28:17,077 Right. 520 00:28:18,952 --> 00:28:20,452 Right. 521 00:28:21,202 --> 00:28:22,494 "I would never hurt my wife. 522 00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:24,202 I would never have anything done to her. 523 00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:26,619 No, not in a million years. I loved her very much." 524 00:28:29,827 --> 00:28:31,160 And I believed him. 525 00:28:36,911 --> 00:28:38,577 The murders of Manuela Witthuhn 526 00:28:38,661 --> 00:28:42,202 and Patty and Keith Harington shared similarities, 527 00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:45,452 both big and small. 528 00:28:46,993 --> 00:28:50,202 A forensic match between the cases didn't exist, 529 00:28:50,285 --> 00:28:52,118 but a feeling did. 530 00:28:52,202 --> 00:28:55,118 A sense that a single mind was at work. 531 00:29:10,786 --> 00:29:12,535 It was a dark place, 532 00:29:12,619 --> 00:29:14,243 you know, that she was taking you. 533 00:29:14,327 --> 00:29:17,744 And I remember one time she sent me some pages, 534 00:29:17,827 --> 00:29:19,118 and in the header, she wrote, 535 00:29:19,202 --> 00:29:20,827 "Don't read this alone at night." 536 00:29:20,911 --> 00:29:23,077 She just kept finding more and more sources 537 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,410 who wanted to speak to her and more avenues 538 00:29:25,494 --> 00:29:29,744 to sort of chase down, and I could see how beguiling 539 00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:34,035 and, um, seductive it was, and how, um... 540 00:29:34,118 --> 00:29:35,993 ...addictive. 541 00:29:36,077 --> 00:29:38,243 - You're a good interviewer. - I am? 542 00:29:38,327 --> 00:29:39,911 - You are. - Good. 543 00:29:43,993 --> 00:29:46,827 Um... No, I mean... 544 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,535 And, um... 545 00:30:01,827 --> 00:30:04,035 In some ways, I'm, you know, 546 00:30:08,619 --> 00:30:11,035 Michelle's voice was a part of the proposal 547 00:30:11,118 --> 00:30:16,118 and was a really strong part all along, and so, you know, 548 00:30:16,202 --> 00:30:18,702 that way was a given that that would be in the book 549 00:30:18,786 --> 00:30:19,911 in some form. 550 00:30:19,993 --> 00:30:21,494 But I know there was part of her 551 00:30:21,577 --> 00:30:23,577 that that... that was something she was navigating. 552 00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:26,577 She wasn't a big "me, me, me" person. 553 00:30:26,661 --> 00:30:28,952 She was much more interested in other people 554 00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:30,577 than in talking about herself. 555 00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:41,035 Oak Park.. 556 00:30:43,035 --> 00:30:45,911 Oak Park. Shit. 557 00:30:47,077 --> 00:30:50,327 Oak Park borders the west side of Chicago. 558 00:30:50,410 --> 00:30:52,369 Ernest Hemmingway, who grew up there, 559 00:30:52,452 --> 00:30:55,827 famously referred to it as a town of wide lawns 560 00:30:55,911 --> 00:30:57,661 and narrow minds. 561 00:30:57,744 --> 00:31:00,786 But that wasn't my experience with the place. 562 00:31:01,869 --> 00:31:04,702 We lived in a drafty three-story Victorian 563 00:31:04,786 --> 00:31:06,577 on a cul-de-sac in the center of town. 564 00:31:08,243 --> 00:31:11,035 Michelle was our baby sister 565 00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:15,619 and she was born when I was 12 years old. 566 00:31:15,702 --> 00:31:18,327 So, there was a big gap between Michelle 567 00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:19,661 and the rest of us. 568 00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:22,869 I just moved from playing with dolls 569 00:31:22,952 --> 00:31:25,535 to having a real... ...doll myself." 570 00:31:25,619 --> 00:31:30,035 And my mom was more than willing to pass her off. 571 00:31:30,118 --> 00:31:33,827 In some ways, Michelle was an only child 572 00:31:33,911 --> 00:31:35,869 because we were just up and out. 573 00:31:41,869 --> 00:31:44,202 Because she was so much younger than everyone else, 574 00:31:44,285 --> 00:31:46,160 I really think she found her voice early. 575 00:31:46,243 --> 00:31:47,661 And I think she just became 576 00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:49,661 an independent thinker and spirit. 577 00:31:49,744 --> 00:31:51,494 I mean, she came out strong. 578 00:31:53,035 --> 00:31:54,243 She came out strong-willed. 579 00:31:57,827 --> 00:32:00,243 Once Michelle got to high school, 580 00:32:00,327 --> 00:32:03,118 which is kind of a typical time to get rebellious, 581 00:32:03,202 --> 00:32:04,410 Michelle and my mother 582 00:32:04,494 --> 00:32:07,285 had developed into a very complicated relationship. 583 00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,035 Michelle, I think, viewed our mother 584 00:32:12,118 --> 00:32:15,243 as more an enemy than, you know, 585 00:32:15,327 --> 00:32:17,911 someone who was supporting her. 586 00:32:17,993 --> 00:32:20,911 Well, I think Michelle, being the youngest, 587 00:32:20,993 --> 00:32:25,577 wanted more physical affection and more attention 588 00:32:25,661 --> 00:32:28,786 where my mom was pretty... pretty reserved. 589 00:32:29,869 --> 00:32:31,452 I mean, there was never any question 590 00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:34,952 that she loved all of us deeply and was, 591 00:32:35,035 --> 00:32:38,202 really did anything she could to support us. 592 00:32:38,285 --> 00:32:41,744 But, you know, she did have, I think, sometimes a... 593 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,118 a difficult time giving a direct compliment. 594 00:32:44,202 --> 00:32:47,577 Their communication was just very different, 595 00:32:47,661 --> 00:32:48,911 and they would not back down. 596 00:32:58,869 --> 00:33:01,869 We button-pushed our whole lives. 597 00:33:03,452 --> 00:33:05,993 We had a summer cabin on Lake Michigan, 598 00:33:06,077 --> 00:33:09,577 and I remember one afternoon as a kid playing in the waves 599 00:33:09,661 --> 00:33:11,993 as she read a book in a chair on the beach. 600 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:16,786 I realized the waves were just high enough 601 00:33:16,869 --> 00:33:19,285 so that I could remain underwater 602 00:33:19,369 --> 00:33:21,410 and then rise for a quick breath 603 00:33:21,494 --> 00:33:23,410 when the wave was at its highest, 604 00:33:23,494 --> 00:33:25,202 shielding me from view. 605 00:33:27,952 --> 00:33:31,619 I let my mother straighten up and scan the water. 606 00:33:32,535 --> 00:33:34,744 I let her put down her book. 607 00:33:35,452 --> 00:33:37,702 I let her stand. 608 00:33:37,786 --> 00:33:41,452 I let her run toward the water preparing to scream. 609 00:33:42,577 --> 00:33:46,077 Only then did I pop up nonchalantly. 610 00:33:47,702 --> 00:33:51,577 Her lifelong nickname for me, only half-jokingly, 611 00:33:51,661 --> 00:33:53,744 was "the little witch." 612 00:34:06,077 --> 00:34:10,243 But I felt her expectations, the transference of hope, 613 00:34:10,327 --> 00:34:11,952 and I bristled. 614 00:34:14,077 --> 00:34:17,160 I both yearned for her approval... 615 00:34:17,243 --> 00:34:20,369 and found her investment in me suffocating. 616 00:34:31,577 --> 00:34:33,535 I believe that Golden State Killer 617 00:34:33,619 --> 00:34:36,577 has a comfort using these waterways. 618 00:34:38,952 --> 00:34:40,869 We saw that up in the Sacramento area, 619 00:34:40,952 --> 00:34:43,285 and when he gets to Santa Barbara, 620 00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:45,243 he's going back to a region 621 00:34:45,327 --> 00:34:47,577 in which he's previously attacked twice 622 00:34:47,661 --> 00:34:51,160 along this geographic feature, this creek. 623 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,911 On the morning of July 27, 1981, 624 00:35:13,993 --> 00:35:16,452 a realtor found their bodies. 625 00:35:16,535 --> 00:35:20,327 Cheri Domingo, a Natalie Wood lookalike, 626 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:24,410 was an old fashioned romantic who loved to dance. 627 00:35:24,494 --> 00:35:28,285 Her boyfriend Gregory Sanchez was a computer programmer 628 00:35:28,369 --> 00:35:31,494 who coached little league and rode a motorcycle. 629 00:35:33,577 --> 00:35:35,452 Domingo-Sanchez, 630 00:35:35,535 --> 00:35:36,869 again, they're in bed. 631 00:35:36,952 --> 00:35:39,035 It's in the middle of the night. 632 00:35:39,118 --> 00:35:42,535 That is a horrific fight. Very violent. 633 00:35:44,786 --> 00:35:47,786 The offender enters the backyard 634 00:35:47,869 --> 00:35:49,702 through a side gate. 635 00:35:49,786 --> 00:35:52,744 And it appears Gregory has got a sense 636 00:35:52,827 --> 00:35:55,285 that there's a prowler outside. 637 00:35:55,369 --> 00:35:59,202 Because when he enters the master bedroom, 638 00:35:59,285 --> 00:36:02,410 Gregory Sanchez is already up facing him. 639 00:36:03,452 --> 00:36:05,535 Offender pulls a gun and shoots Gregory. 640 00:36:06,702 --> 00:36:08,452 However, Greg gets up. 641 00:36:08,535 --> 00:36:12,160 Now the offender gets into hand-to-hand combat 642 00:36:12,243 --> 00:36:14,452 with six-foot-three Greg Sanchez. 643 00:36:15,202 --> 00:36:17,077 It's a terrible fight. 644 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,535 The suspect ended up bludgeoning Greg, 645 00:36:20,619 --> 00:36:22,952 and he ends up in the closet 646 00:36:23,035 --> 00:36:25,494 where he's later found deceased. 647 00:36:25,577 --> 00:36:28,452 And Domingo is severely bludgeoned. 648 00:36:29,619 --> 00:36:32,118 When I, years later, spoke to the criminalist, 649 00:36:32,202 --> 00:36:35,285 she was just still greatly disturbed 650 00:36:35,369 --> 00:36:39,577 by the amount of, damage done to her. 651 00:36:39,661 --> 00:36:41,577 The offender's semen was found, 652 00:36:41,661 --> 00:36:43,160 but a very small amount, 653 00:36:43,243 --> 00:36:45,494 and it was found on the comforter. 654 00:36:45,577 --> 00:36:50,118 So it's unknown what type of sexual interaction he had, 655 00:36:50,202 --> 00:36:51,993 but he definitely got to the point 656 00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:53,619 where he left some semen behind. 657 00:36:58,452 --> 00:37:01,410 Five years later, he murdered 18-year-old 658 00:37:01,494 --> 00:37:02,619 Janelle Cruz. 659 00:37:02,702 --> 00:37:05,702 Manuela and Janelle lived in the same subdivision, 660 00:37:05,786 --> 00:37:07,577 just two miles apart. 661 00:37:08,577 --> 00:37:10,661 His female victims was just the latest 662 00:37:10,744 --> 00:37:14,535 unlucky stand-in for the lustful sneering women. 663 00:37:14,619 --> 00:37:16,202 Mother, wife, 664 00:37:16,285 --> 00:37:19,327 who formed a disapproving circle around the killer 665 00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:20,827 in his daydreams. 666 00:37:22,118 --> 00:37:25,410 The act of bludgeoning was arousal. 667 00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,993 Alchemized to hate. 668 00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:31,911 My mom and I, 669 00:37:31,993 --> 00:37:34,035 people all the time referred to us as sisters. 670 00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:36,327 And she loved the beach, she loved... 671 00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:38,619 she loved the outdoors. She was a California girl. 672 00:37:38,702 --> 00:37:39,744 Yeah, yeah. 673 00:37:39,827 --> 00:37:41,827 She was... she was amazing. 674 00:37:42,827 --> 00:37:45,619 When my mom was killed, I was a kid. 675 00:37:45,702 --> 00:37:47,911 I'm thinking right close 676 00:37:47,993 --> 00:37:49,452 to the end of my 10th grade year. 677 00:37:49,535 --> 00:37:51,202 You know, she... she would set a curfew, 678 00:37:51,285 --> 00:37:52,786 and I would break it. 679 00:37:52,869 --> 00:37:54,911 And she would set a rule, and I would just throw it out the window. 680 00:37:54,993 --> 00:37:56,702 Bless her heart, I don't know how 681 00:37:56,786 --> 00:37:58,035 she kept from wringing my neck. 682 00:37:58,118 --> 00:38:01,744 Um, and, um, so about, 683 00:38:01,827 --> 00:38:05,160 I want to say right about two weeks before she was killed, 684 00:38:05,243 --> 00:38:06,744 we got in a humungous fight. 685 00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:10,202 And we ended up having this crazy screaming match. 686 00:38:10,285 --> 00:38:13,285 And the last thing I said to her was, 687 00:38:13,369 --> 00:38:16,077 "Why don't you just get the hell out of my life?" 688 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,452 And I slammed down that receiver. 689 00:38:17,535 --> 00:38:19,952 And those are the last words I spoke to her. 690 00:38:20,035 --> 00:38:21,869 - Yeah. - She didn't know, you know? 691 00:38:21,952 --> 00:38:23,827 Yeah. She didn't know how to handle me 692 00:38:23,911 --> 00:38:26,369 -and, bless her heart... -MICHELLE: My... my... Your... It's... it's interesting 693 00:38:26,452 --> 00:38:27,702 'cause my... my mom and I 694 00:38:27,786 --> 00:38:29,619 had a very complicated relationship, 695 00:38:29,702 --> 00:38:32,160 and... but we could never yell at each other. 696 00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:33,744 She would always slip envelopes, 697 00:38:33,827 --> 00:38:36,494 um, under my bedroom door... 698 00:38:36,577 --> 00:38:39,285 ...that had, you know, I just remember so clearly, 699 00:38:39,369 --> 00:38:41,285 "You're vain, thoughtless, rude." 700 00:38:41,369 --> 00:38:43,993 Like, all these terrible things, but she could only write it out. 701 00:38:44,077 --> 00:38:45,786 She wouldn't be able to say it to me. 702 00:38:45,869 --> 00:38:49,118 Well, yeah. Yeah, 'cause we were totally different... 703 00:38:53,911 --> 00:38:55,035 At my wedding, 704 00:38:55,118 --> 00:38:58,410 my mother and I had our biggest blowout. 705 00:39:00,077 --> 00:39:02,993 I put a lot of time, too much probably, 706 00:39:03,077 --> 00:39:04,619 into the planning. 707 00:39:05,911 --> 00:39:08,952 At the dinner, I seated small groups of people 708 00:39:09,035 --> 00:39:10,661 who didn't know each other together. 709 00:39:10,744 --> 00:39:11,911 The only thing I told them 710 00:39:11,993 --> 00:39:13,952 was that they had one thing in common 711 00:39:14,035 --> 00:39:15,702 and had to figure it out. 712 00:39:16,661 --> 00:39:17,827 My mother came up to me 713 00:39:17,911 --> 00:39:20,243 as I was making my way to the bathroom. 714 00:39:20,327 --> 00:39:22,369 She gestured at the tables. 715 00:39:22,452 --> 00:39:25,744 "You have too much time on your hands," she said. 716 00:39:26,786 --> 00:39:28,993 I'd been avoiding her because a friend of mine 717 00:39:29,077 --> 00:39:32,327 made the mistake of telling me that earlier in the evening, 718 00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:34,285 she'd remarked to my mother that she thought 719 00:39:34,369 --> 00:39:36,535 I was the best writer she knew. 720 00:39:36,619 --> 00:39:40,035 "I know. I think so too," my mother said. 721 00:39:40,118 --> 00:39:43,118 "But don't you think it's too late for her?" 722 00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:50,243 I went to the ladies' room, locked myself in a stall 723 00:39:50,327 --> 00:39:53,619 and allowed myself to cry for five minutes... 724 00:39:55,952 --> 00:39:57,285 then went back out... 725 00:40:05,285 --> 00:40:07,035 Hey, sweetie. It's Patton. 726 00:40:07,118 --> 00:40:10,243 The new pages you sent me are amazing. 727 00:40:10,327 --> 00:40:12,702 I just have a couple little tweaks, but, man, 728 00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:16,285 that was a really cool read, especially that last paragraph. 729 00:40:16,369 --> 00:40:17,243 My god. 730 00:40:17,327 --> 00:40:19,535 Hey. It's Patton. I'm in Miami. 731 00:40:19,619 --> 00:40:23,369 I'm in Toronto. I'm on my way to Iceland. 732 00:40:23,452 --> 00:40:25,577 My wife is ten times smarter than me. 733 00:40:25,661 --> 00:40:29,661 She is thinking and operating on this way elevated level. 734 00:40:29,744 --> 00:40:31,661 And I'm just noticing when things fart 735 00:40:31,744 --> 00:40:33,077 and pointing at it 736 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,410 until she tells me, "Don't... don't point at that, 737 00:40:35,494 --> 00:40:37,369 all right?" "Okay." 738 00:40:37,452 --> 00:40:38,952 Who's that, Alice? 739 00:40:39,827 --> 00:40:41,369 Who is that on the TV? 740 00:40:43,952 --> 00:40:44,952 Daddy. 741 00:40:45,035 --> 00:40:46,410 Is that Daddy? 742 00:40:46,494 --> 00:40:50,035 Daddy. 743 00:40:58,535 --> 00:41:00,410 Reading galley of Patton's book... 744 00:41:11,535 --> 00:41:13,327 Michelle was, um... 745 00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:14,869 she was so hard on herself. 746 00:41:14,952 --> 00:41:18,202 Her writing and, "Am I doing a good job as a mom?" 747 00:41:18,285 --> 00:41:20,535 And Patton was working a lot. 748 00:41:20,619 --> 00:41:22,035 So, yeah. I... I'm gonna... 749 00:41:22,118 --> 00:41:24,369 I'll just meet you at Barnes. I... I got to do a signing. 750 00:41:24,452 --> 00:41:26,952 About to do a video shoot here for Spin Magazine. 751 00:41:27,035 --> 00:41:29,869 I'm so close to finishing this goddamn movie. 752 00:41:33,494 --> 00:41:36,993 Got your email. I am doing the errands now. 753 00:41:37,077 --> 00:41:38,993 You want her to go to a two o'clock class? 754 00:41:39,077 --> 00:41:41,160 I'm gonna do these as quickly as I can. 755 00:41:41,243 --> 00:41:43,494 Call me if you... if you think of anything else 756 00:41:43,577 --> 00:41:44,952 for me to get, goodbye. 757 00:41:45,035 --> 00:41:46,035 Hey, it's Patton. 758 00:41:46,118 --> 00:41:47,369 - Hi! - Driving home 759 00:41:47,452 --> 00:41:49,327 - as fast as I can. - You're on a horsey. 760 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:51,452 Hey, it's Patton. Just got a call 761 00:41:51,535 --> 00:41:53,160 from my guys at CAA. 762 00:41:53,243 --> 00:41:55,827 - They can get me... Get us... - You're on a horsey. 763 00:41:55,911 --> 00:41:57,702 this... for this Thursday, 764 00:41:57,786 --> 00:42:00,285 two tickets to go see Prince at the Forum. 765 00:42:04,952 --> 00:42:06,327 Happy birthday, Michelle. 766 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:08,619 Hello. This is a refill reminder 767 00:42:08,702 --> 00:42:12,327 from CVS Pharmacy for Michelle McNamara. 768 00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:14,285 We show that the following prescription numbers 769 00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:15,410 are due for refill. 770 00:42:15,494 --> 00:42:16,911 Hi, Michelle. This is your father 771 00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:18,869 calling to wish you happy birthday. 772 00:42:18,952 --> 00:42:20,410 To be 41 again. 773 00:42:20,494 --> 00:42:22,619 How sweet it is. Talk to you soon. 774 00:42:29,118 --> 00:42:30,202 It's two plates. 775 00:42:48,869 --> 00:42:50,452 You know, Michelle... 776 00:42:51,369 --> 00:42:54,702 Michelle was a brilliant investigator. 777 00:42:54,786 --> 00:42:57,160 Aside from being a good writer, 778 00:42:57,243 --> 00:42:59,619 she had a real investigative mind. 779 00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:01,911 She didn't just tick the boxes. 780 00:43:01,993 --> 00:43:06,661 She was a creative thinker about crime. 781 00:43:06,744 --> 00:43:08,369 I mean, I was shocked, frankly, 782 00:43:08,452 --> 00:43:10,535 when Larry Crompton told me that he called Santa Barbara 783 00:43:10,619 --> 00:43:14,202 and he was told over the phone the murders never happened. 784 00:43:14,285 --> 00:43:15,911 - I... I was shocked. - Yeah. 785 00:43:15,993 --> 00:43:18,744 He said, "Listen, it was a different time." 786 00:43:18,827 --> 00:43:20,661 A lot of things went wrong because people... 787 00:43:20,744 --> 00:43:22,077 You didn't even share information 788 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,911 among your coworkers, which is crazy. 789 00:43:24,993 --> 00:43:27,118 They could've solved these cases. 790 00:43:27,202 --> 00:43:29,410 There is no question. 791 00:43:29,494 --> 00:43:32,410 And I think people would be very surprised 792 00:43:32,494 --> 00:43:35,452 how these investigations can simply go off the rail 793 00:43:35,535 --> 00:43:36,786 and never go anywhere. 794 00:43:38,035 --> 00:43:41,494 So everyone that I talk to seemed to grumble 795 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:43,744 a bit about Santa Barbara. 796 00:43:43,827 --> 00:43:45,869 Do you feel like that's kind of a past thing? 797 00:43:55,535 --> 00:43:57,993 When I was working in Santa Barbara, 798 00:43:58,077 --> 00:44:02,243 there were a tremendous amount of burglary, 799 00:44:02,327 --> 00:44:04,410 prowling, and rapes. 800 00:44:06,202 --> 00:44:10,243 To me, the numbers of rapes we had was just astonishing. 801 00:44:10,327 --> 00:44:12,619 And a lot of it was written off as, 802 00:44:12,702 --> 00:44:15,202 "Well, it's a university town. What do you expect? 803 00:44:15,285 --> 00:44:16,702 What do you expect?" Well. 804 00:44:17,744 --> 00:44:19,118 But I never understood 805 00:44:19,202 --> 00:44:21,202 Santa Barbara as... Was different 806 00:44:21,285 --> 00:44:22,535 than other jurisdictions. 807 00:44:22,619 --> 00:44:24,535 Did it have to do with, "We don't want bad publicity?" 808 00:44:24,619 --> 00:44:26,160 What do you think it was? 809 00:44:26,243 --> 00:44:30,369 Well, Reagan's ranch was about 15 miles up the coast. 810 00:44:30,452 --> 00:44:32,494 At that time, Ronald Reagan 811 00:44:32,577 --> 00:44:35,869 was in the process of declaring his candidacy 812 00:44:35,952 --> 00:44:37,327 for president... 813 00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:40,077 ...and they did not want any of this negative stigma. 814 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,494 They didn't want the publicity. 815 00:44:41,577 --> 00:44:43,577 They didn't want the publicity. 816 00:44:43,661 --> 00:44:45,827 And then we had Montecito, where, you know, 817 00:44:45,911 --> 00:44:49,702 every famous person on earth has at least one house. 818 00:44:51,952 --> 00:44:55,619 So, it shows you the money 819 00:44:55,702 --> 00:44:58,369 and political influences there. 820 00:44:59,327 --> 00:45:02,202 I remembered asking the sergeant, 821 00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:05,702 "Why... why do you not publicize these, 822 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,202 sexual assaults that we have?" 823 00:45:07,285 --> 00:45:10,327 "Well, the sheriff, made an agreement 824 00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:13,869 with the board of realtors that we would not publicize 825 00:45:13,952 --> 00:45:15,202 certain crimes." 826 00:45:15,285 --> 00:45:16,369 God. 827 00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,494 "Because property values will go down..." 828 00:45:18,577 --> 00:45:19,619 Wow. 829 00:45:19,702 --> 00:45:21,535 "...and they don't want people afraid 830 00:45:21,619 --> 00:45:23,035 to come here and buy." 831 00:45:23,118 --> 00:45:24,702 'Cause Goleta was growing. 832 00:45:24,786 --> 00:45:28,577 So, when we get into the period of the homicides, 833 00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,327 we were, psst, quiet. 834 00:45:37,369 --> 00:45:38,993 Hey, Mich. It's Mary Rita. 835 00:45:39,077 --> 00:45:40,494 We just went to see dad. 836 00:45:40,577 --> 00:45:42,410 Yeah, he was totally sedated and out of it. 837 00:45:42,494 --> 00:45:45,744 But, um, obviously the next 48 hours are critical. 838 00:45:45,827 --> 00:45:47,243 We will keep you posted. 839 00:45:47,327 --> 00:45:48,577 All right, thanks. Bye. 840 00:46:13,993 --> 00:46:18,993 - This is North Star Security at 323-730-4935. - 841 00:46:32,369 --> 00:46:34,619 We've just installed a massive security system 842 00:46:34,702 --> 00:46:37,369 in our house to keep us sane... This is probably little paranoid 843 00:46:37,452 --> 00:46:38,744 but better safe than sorry. 844 00:46:38,827 --> 00:46:40,993 I noticed the screen on one of the front windows was off. 845 00:46:41,077 --> 00:46:43,452 My assumption is that... I meant to mention this earlier, 846 00:46:43,535 --> 00:46:45,160 but I'd prefer if none of us... 847 00:46:45,243 --> 00:46:47,452 I wanted to be sure, in case some crazy man 848 00:46:47,535 --> 00:46:49,452 out of a horror movie is trying to get in. 849 00:46:49,535 --> 00:46:51,410 Something I think about surprisingly often. 850 00:46:51,494 --> 00:46:53,118 I know I'm being paranoid, but it... 851 00:46:57,952 --> 00:46:59,285 You guys own a gun? 852 00:46:59,369 --> 00:47:01,118 - No. - You should get one. 853 00:47:01,202 --> 00:47:03,952 I know... Well, no. Patton's, like, blind as a bat. 854 00:47:04,035 --> 00:47:05,202 I'm jittery. 855 00:47:05,285 --> 00:47:07,535 We're the worst people in the world to have a gun. 856 00:47:07,619 --> 00:47:08,786 He likes to shoot guns. 857 00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:10,744 I just... We can't have one in the house. 858 00:48:03,494 --> 00:48:05,243 At the time that he died, 859 00:48:05,327 --> 00:48:07,952 she literally got in 860 00:48:08,786 --> 00:48:10,744 just after he had kind of... 861 00:48:11,118 --> 00:48:12,035 lost, 862 00:48:12,118 --> 00:48:13,619 you know, consciousness or whatever. 863 00:48:13,702 --> 00:48:18,494 And so she didn't really get that... that last moment 864 00:48:18,577 --> 00:48:20,243 with him. 865 00:48:20,327 --> 00:48:23,952 So, there was a lot of shock for her. 866 00:48:25,452 --> 00:48:27,786 Michelle and my dad had a very special relationship. 867 00:48:27,869 --> 00:48:31,285 They were just, you know, simpatico, I would say. 868 00:48:32,327 --> 00:48:34,786 After he had passed, she had told us 869 00:48:34,869 --> 00:48:37,744 the inscription on the book she planned to use was 870 00:48:37,827 --> 00:48:39,494 "To my father who believed." 871 00:48:44,911 --> 00:48:47,619 But, you know, she just kind of kept... 872 00:48:47,702 --> 00:48:48,952 kept at it and kept working. 873 00:48:49,035 --> 00:48:53,035 And, um, in hindsight, she probably should have, um, 874 00:48:53,118 --> 00:48:55,160 slowed down a little bit and taken a little... 875 00:48:55,243 --> 00:48:56,869 taken a little more time. 876 00:49:00,993 --> 00:49:04,494 You've been now studying this for so long 877 00:49:04,577 --> 00:49:06,285 and looking at it as a puzzle 878 00:49:06,369 --> 00:49:09,744 that horror doesn't really affect you anymore. 879 00:49:09,827 --> 00:49:11,285 Well, I'm not sure. 880 00:49:11,369 --> 00:49:13,452 - Really? I... yeah. - I mean, I'm, 881 00:49:13,535 --> 00:49:15,993 yeah. I mean, I... I still don't probably have 882 00:49:16,077 --> 00:49:18,285 a good night's sleep, you know, every night. 883 00:49:18,369 --> 00:49:20,077 And, um, thank God for Ambien. 884 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,285 But it doesn't make for, like, a peaceful existence. 885 00:49:23,369 --> 00:49:24,869 That doesn't mean I'm stopping it, 886 00:49:24,952 --> 00:49:28,285 but I certainly think it's kind of wormed its way 887 00:49:28,369 --> 00:49:29,993 in... into my brain a bit. 888 00:49:35,744 --> 00:49:37,535 Well, and you could tell. 889 00:49:39,035 --> 00:49:40,744 Yeah. 890 00:49:43,285 --> 00:49:44,369 Yeah. 891 00:49:46,535 --> 00:49:48,535 For my brother, this cloud of suspicion 892 00:49:48,619 --> 00:49:50,535 just seemed to never go away. 893 00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:59,577 Some very professional, well-meaning people 894 00:49:59,661 --> 00:50:01,744 were investigating this crime. 895 00:50:01,827 --> 00:50:03,993 But they had no suspect. 896 00:50:04,077 --> 00:50:07,452 So, he always had to remain a person of interest. 897 00:50:08,952 --> 00:50:12,869 I don't know how he emotionally dealt with that day after day, 898 00:50:12,952 --> 00:50:14,035 year after year. 899 00:50:15,202 --> 00:50:19,035 Manuela was killed in 1981, and it wasn't until 2000 900 00:50:19,118 --> 00:50:21,911 that my brother no longer was a person of interest. 901 00:50:25,202 --> 00:50:28,160 I just picked up the paper on a Sunday morning. 902 00:50:28,243 --> 00:50:31,452 Opened it up, and there's my brother's picture. 903 00:50:31,535 --> 00:50:33,661 They made a... a DNA connection 904 00:50:33,744 --> 00:50:36,327 between Manuela's killing and others. 905 00:50:40,077 --> 00:50:42,202 But to have that cloud of suspicion... 906 00:50:42,285 --> 00:50:45,077 - Right. - ...over you for so long. 907 00:50:51,952 --> 00:50:53,035 Yeah, absolutely. 908 00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:55,077 Yeah. 909 00:51:02,744 --> 00:51:05,952 When the crime labs began incorporating DNA testing 910 00:51:06,035 --> 00:51:08,869 in the early '90s, Orange County decided 911 00:51:08,952 --> 00:51:12,993 to prioritize homicides involving sexual assaults. 912 00:51:13,077 --> 00:51:17,202 Every inch of fabric and millimeter of cotton tip, 913 00:51:17,285 --> 00:51:18,786 held promise. 914 00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:23,993 In 1996, Mary Hong was one of the criminalists 915 00:51:24,077 --> 00:51:27,452 tasked with concentrating on cold cases. 916 00:51:27,535 --> 00:51:30,160 An older criminalist took her aside. 917 00:51:30,661 --> 00:51:32,243 Fifteen years on, 918 00:51:32,327 --> 00:51:34,993 he still hadn't forgotten his old suspicion. 919 00:51:41,993 --> 00:51:44,702 This case was the very first cold case 920 00:51:44,786 --> 00:51:46,035 that I started to work, 921 00:51:46,118 --> 00:51:48,243 and that was in 1997. 922 00:51:48,327 --> 00:51:50,243 I was working for Contra Costa County 923 00:51:50,327 --> 00:51:52,410 as a young criminalist. 924 00:51:52,494 --> 00:51:54,911 I had just started DNA training. 925 00:51:54,993 --> 00:51:57,202 One day, I found this file cabinet 926 00:51:57,285 --> 00:51:59,243 that I never saw anybody go to. 927 00:51:59,327 --> 00:52:03,118 What really stood out was this red E-A-R 928 00:52:03,202 --> 00:52:04,619 written on each tab. 929 00:52:04,702 --> 00:52:07,993 That's when I learned about the East Area Rapist. 930 00:52:08,619 --> 00:52:10,452 I was fascinated. 931 00:52:10,535 --> 00:52:11,993 We won't be able to do anything 932 00:52:12,077 --> 00:52:14,869 because it's long past statute of limitations. 933 00:52:14,952 --> 00:52:16,786 But I just want to kind of figure out, 934 00:52:16,869 --> 00:52:19,452 you know, maybe I can identify the guy 935 00:52:19,535 --> 00:52:21,160 and solve this series. 936 00:52:23,202 --> 00:52:25,035 I end up calling Larry Crompton. 937 00:52:26,869 --> 00:52:28,744 I got a phone call. 938 00:52:28,827 --> 00:52:32,869 And, fella said, "I'm Paul Holes. 939 00:52:32,952 --> 00:52:36,035 I'm with the crime lab in Contra Costa." 940 00:52:36,118 --> 00:52:41,285 And I said, "Paul, I know of five homicides 941 00:52:41,369 --> 00:52:42,827 in Southern California. 942 00:52:42,911 --> 00:52:45,327 I know it's our rapist that did it, 943 00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:50,494 but nobody will talk to me, and nobody will help me." 944 00:52:50,577 --> 00:52:53,369 I was told that the Orange County Sheriff's office 945 00:52:53,452 --> 00:52:54,993 has been doing some DNA work. 946 00:52:55,077 --> 00:52:56,827 So I did call up, Mary Hong, 947 00:52:56,911 --> 00:53:00,118 but our DNA profiles were different technologies. 948 00:53:00,202 --> 00:53:02,327 We couldn't compare 'em. 949 00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:06,410 It took four years before we got that technology online 950 00:53:06,494 --> 00:53:09,202 and could revisit the East Area Rapist case. 951 00:53:09,285 --> 00:53:11,160 The tubes that advanced the mystery 952 00:53:11,243 --> 00:53:14,577 closer to an answer were opened and tested. 953 00:53:14,661 --> 00:53:19,077 When the results came in, Paul Holes called Mary Hong. 954 00:53:20,077 --> 00:53:22,535 "Same guy," Mary said. 955 00:53:23,993 --> 00:53:25,661 With the Ventura case, 956 00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:27,327 Lyman, Charlene Smith, 957 00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:28,952 we have semen evidence. 958 00:53:29,035 --> 00:53:32,410 In Patrice and Keith Harrington, we have semen evidence. 959 00:53:32,494 --> 00:53:35,243 With Manuela Witthuhn, we have semen evidence. 960 00:53:35,327 --> 00:53:39,535 Domingo-Sanchez, Janelle Cruz, 961 00:53:39,619 --> 00:53:42,661 five of cases all have semen evidence 962 00:53:42,744 --> 00:53:46,869 in which DNA testing showed it was the same offender, 963 00:53:46,952 --> 00:53:48,285 the same DNA profile. 964 00:53:48,369 --> 00:53:50,535 And of course, in my jurisdiction 965 00:53:50,619 --> 00:53:52,535 in Contra Costa County, I had three cases 966 00:53:52,619 --> 00:53:55,035 in which I still had evidence from the sexual assaults 967 00:53:55,118 --> 00:53:58,535 that matched the five DNA-related cases 968 00:53:58,619 --> 00:54:00,285 to the Original Night Stalker series. 969 00:54:00,369 --> 00:54:03,869 And that connection was made back in March of 2001. 970 00:54:03,952 --> 00:54:07,327 We believe he is responsible for no fewer than 12 murders, 971 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:11,243 50 rapes, um, between 1976 and 1986. 972 00:54:11,327 --> 00:54:14,035 We don't have a name, and... and that's the goal. 973 00:54:14,118 --> 00:54:16,661 We need to match name to the DNA profile. 974 00:54:26,494 --> 00:54:28,118 Hey Michelle. 975 00:55:35,118 --> 00:55:38,827 7:07 on an early Thanksgiving morning, 976 00:55:38,911 --> 00:55:40,243 the 26th day of November. 977 00:55:40,327 --> 00:55:41,993 -Happy Thanksgiving. -RADIO HOST 2: Happy Thanksgiving. 978 00:55:42,077 --> 00:55:43,661 Yes, Happy Thanksgiving everybody. 979 00:55:43,744 --> 00:55:44,952 Real nice to have you with us... 980 00:56:19,327 --> 00:56:20,702 Hello? 981 00:56:23,577 --> 00:56:24,619 Hello? 982 00:56:25,869 --> 00:56:27,993 Hello? 983 00:56:45,243 --> 00:56:47,911 Gonna kill you. 984 00:56:49,452 --> 00:56:52,118 Gonna kill you. 985 00:56:53,744 --> 00:56:56,661 Gonna kill you. 74842

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