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Hey, it's Pat.
Just wanted to call
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and congratulate you.
That is such awesome news.
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In '77, the East Area
Rapist began attacking couples.
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The sex was not his thing.
The terror was the thing.
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I felt shamed.
Did I wear something?
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It was a time where somehow
it always came back to being
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the woman's fault.
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Michelle would have
very vivid dreams.
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"There's a scream..."
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When I would wake her up,
she'd be still half in the dream.
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We don't know who may be, like,
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slinking by us covered in blood.
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It was a hard pill to swallow
that he got away
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with these things.
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The guy's getting more
and more brutal as he goes.
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He wants to kill
and he is going to kill.
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Test, test, test, test, test.
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Hello?
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Hello?
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Hello?
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EAST AREA RAPIST:
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Gonna kill you...
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Gonna kill you...
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Bitch.
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Bitch...
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Bitch...
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Bitch...
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He was a lunatic.
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Bitch.
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Unseen.
So doubly feared.
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Hello?
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The danger of taking
a wrong turn in the catacombs
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always looms in this case.
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Fucking whore.
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I turned
to the retired detectives.
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I lamented that I felt
I was grasping at straws.
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"My advice?" one said.
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"Grasp a straw,
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work it to dust."
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It definitely goes down
as one of the biggest mysteries.
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That's for sure.
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Just everything about it
is a mystery. Um...
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And it has such a boogeyman
aspect to it, you know.
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He does feel like
a ghost sometimes.
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By 1979,
the East Area Rapist
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appeared to have stopped.
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It's quite possible
the East Area Rapist
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takes a summer vacation
just like you do.
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Let's hope he forgets
to come home again.
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Our task force was...
was shut down.
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And we were told that,
now he's gone.
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He's no longer our problem.
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Crompton's bosses
nearly danced with relief.
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But in reality,
the East Area Rapist
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had only moved 400 miles south,
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where he would become known
as the Original Night Stalker.
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Goleta is a bedroom community
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outside of Santa Barbara.
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Despite its safe reputation,
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few people would brave
San Jose Creek
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alone at night.
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Michelle and I,
it was in, 2013.
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We drove out here
to Santa Barbara.
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And, we visited
each of the scenes
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associated with the killer's,
activity in this area.
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We definitely spent time
under this bridge
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and probably passed through
this area multiple times.
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His footprints were seen
throughout this neighborhood.
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He... he had a unique pattern.
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So, there was evidence
of him roaming
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in that whole vicinity.
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Investigators felt
like they knew the night
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that changed him.
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October 1st, 1979.
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That was the night
a Goleta couple
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on Queen Ann Lane awakened
to a blinding flashlight
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and a young man's
clenched-teeth whisper.
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The woman was ordered
to tie up her boyfriend.
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Then the intruder tied her.
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He led the woman
into the living room
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and made her lie face-down
on the floor,
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throwing a pair of tennis shorts
over her head as a blindfold.
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They heard him enter
their kitchen
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chanting to himself,
"I'll kill you.
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I'll kill you.
I'll kill you."
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A surge of adrenaline
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allowed the woman
to escape her bindings
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and flee out the front door
screaming.
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Right. Yeah.
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The couple's next-door neighbor
was an FBI agent.
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Alerted by the woman's scream,
he came outside just in time
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to see a man
furiously pedal past
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on a stolen
silver Nishiki 10-speed.
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I saw him come out
of the driveway,
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and he went this way.
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So you just said, what,
"Stop," or something like that?
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- I yelled at him, yeah.
- Yeah.
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I got in my car.
He was in front of me.
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I could see the reflector
on the bicycle.
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Just
gaining on him real quick.
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Yeah.
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And he came
a couple hundred yards
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and he dumped the bike
on the sidewalk
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and he climbed over a fence.
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Stan Los would later catch shit
from local cops
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about why
he didn't shoot the guy.
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"Why didn't you shoot him?"
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Well...
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See, but all I had at
that point was a lone scream...
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And a kid on a bike.
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- ...and a kid on a bike. Or a
person on a bike. - Yeah. Yeah.
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He couldn't have
predicted that the next time
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he'd emerge a few blocks over...
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he'd be a full-blown killer.
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They're lucky.
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- When you think about it, I mean, no one...
- They are.
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After that,
no one, no one survived.
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This is a classic
East Area Rapist-style attack.
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They don't recognize
that it's the same guy
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that's been attacking up in...
up in Northern California,
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you know, so they have
this standalone case.
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So much wasn't
considered relevant then.
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But rewinding is important.
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Among the ways
in which the East Area Rapist
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victimized those whom
he targeted was stealing items
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that were personal
and irreplaceable,
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items like wedding rings,
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jewelry that appeared
to be inherited.
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Michelle felt that
if she could find,
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somewhere in the wild,
one of those items,
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that could be the thread
that leads her
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to the East Area Rapist.
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I came across
sort of very similar cufflinks
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with the same initials
that looked the same.
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And I bought them,
and at that point, I knew
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I needed to give it
to an actual detective,
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you know, to see if we could
find out where these came from.
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Are you recording
at this point?
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Um, I just wanted
to make sure I was. Yes.
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Any ideas that you have,
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I'm completely open to them.
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- Okay.
- So...
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I had an interview
set up with Larry Pool,
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the Orange County investigator
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who has led the cold case
task force since the mid '90s.
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Every investigator I know
that's been given
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the opportunity to examine
this case feels that
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it's the case that they want
solved before they die.
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I take a chance
at the end of our conversation
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and reach into my bag
for the cufflinks.
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Well, I have to tell you,
I... We're just...
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I have insomnia sometimes.
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Sometimes at 3:00
in the morning,
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I would just start googling
and look for things.
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- Me too.
- Um...
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So, you know, 50 times,
nothing happened.
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Then, lo and behold,
I found some cufflinks.
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So, it's slightly unusual.
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'Cause you never know.
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I will...
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No, you can have them.
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- I can.
- Yeah, yeah. Yes.
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I didn't know if I was
gonna make you mad that I did that.
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Not at all.
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Good. I'm glad.
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He was overjoyed
because he's been s... You know,
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searching for kind
of out-of-the-box ways
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to solve this case anyway,
and hadn't thought to do this.
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He tracked down the victims
for, on a weekend,
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they thought they were
the cufflinks.
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And so, we were
incredibly excited.
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Turned out that they're not
the actual cufflinks.
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Um, so...
so that kind of trail ended.
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But it kind of opened up this...
it definitely opened up
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a relationship with these
detectives in which I would...
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The first time
I heard about this woman
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named Michelle McNamara.
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Larry Pool brought her name up.
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And, he said there was this
true-crime writer slash blogger
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who's interested
in doing an article
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for Los Angeles Magazine
on this case.
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At this point in time,
I'd been involved
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in the East Area Rapist case
for two decades.
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But the public just was
unaware of it.
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The hope is... is that maybe
by having greater
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public attention,
the right person
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will come forward
and give the right tip.
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Michelle called me
shortly after that.
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Do you have any source material
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that you could give me?
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And I'm being very standoffish.
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You know, I have had things
that I've said
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taken out of context
put in the press.
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So, I was giving
very vague answers.
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And then she would follow up
and say, "No, hold on.
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Isn't this true?"
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And she'd bring up a fact
about the case.
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And I was going, "
she knows, she knows her stuff."
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I started telling her things
about my investigation
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off the record.
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Three months after
the very first attack
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down in Goleta, Santa Barbara,
there's a double homicide
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right next
to the San Jose Creek.
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Right.
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The Horinek-Himmel
attack is October of '79,
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and then Offerman-Manning attack
is at the end of December '79.
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And they are within a few blocks
of each other.
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On the morning
of December 30th, 1979,
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Santa Barbara County
sheriff's deputies
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responded to a call
at the condo
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of osteopathic surgeon
Dr. Robert Offerman
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and his new girlfriend,
psychologist Debra Manning.
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Their good friends had arrived
for a tennis game
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and found a sliding
glass door open.
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Our offender goes in.
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He gets both Offerman
and Manning bound face-down
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in the bed.
And then he leaves,
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like he typically would do,
to get the dishes
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or whatever else.
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Something he did with the
rapes was... was like he tied you up,
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and then he would go
and eat in your kitchen.
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At the Offerman condo,
it was right near Christmas,
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and he had taken out
the turkey and eaten it.
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He goes back in
to check on the victims,
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and Dr. Offerman
has slipped his bindings
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and gets up and charges him.
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The offender
shoots Offerman,
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then goes and shoots Dr. Manning
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in the back of her head,
and then runs off.
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Because this case went sideways,
he never got a chance
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to sexually assault
Debra Manning.
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Do you know
what kind of haunts me is,
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do you know what book
was on Offerman's night table?
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Offerman was reading something
like, How to Be Assertive.
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Really?
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Yeah.
It was just kind of like, oy.
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I had,
heard of the murders
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in Southern California.
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So, I call Santa Barbara.
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I said, "I think
the Original Night Stalker
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is the East Area Rapist."
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And they said, "Don't know
what you're talking about.
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We don't have anything
like that down here."
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And then, in February,
I was sent down to San Diego
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to take a class.
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And there happened to be
a Santa Barbara deputy
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in the class.
And I got talking to him.
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And he said, "Yeah, yeah,
we had the,
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the double homicide."
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"A matter of fact," he said,
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"they had an attempted rape
before that."
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And I said, "What?"
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So, I got those reports,
and the tie-ups.
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And, the ski mask.
255
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It all was there.
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I know that
it's the same person.
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According to
sheriff spokesman Bill Miller,
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the department sent
an investigator
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to Santa Barbara last week
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to look into
the December shootings
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of a physician
and his psychologist girlfriend.
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Two people were murdered.
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But what they have there
is just the evidence
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at the scene which,
is a strong indication
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it could be the same man.
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However, when I
talked to Sergeant William Baker
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of the Santa Barbara
Sheriff's department,
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I got a very different view.
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SERGEANT WILLIAM BAKER:
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Until we put a face
on a killer who remains
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a question mark,
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he will continue to hold sway
over us.
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I wonder at times if I need
to step back.
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"He can't hurt me," I say,
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not realizing that in every
minute spent hunting him
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and not cuddling my daughter,
he already has.
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Hey, I'm Nancy.
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Michelle ultimately came up with
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the name "Golden State Killer"
'cause it makes sense.
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He terrorized up and down
the state.
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It was an effort to recognize
that he was a predator of...
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people's vision of California,
of their dreams.
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He had kind of, like,
floated under the radar.
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Whereas the Zodiac or
285
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you know, Son of Sam got
all this attention.
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And I thought, this guy had
ten times more victims
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than those people.
And he was ten times worse.
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And we should know about him
and we should all care,
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and we should get justice
for these people.
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The night
that we put that story up,
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it exploded.
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In the sharing of it, it just got
bigger and bigger and bigger.
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Roger Ebert tweeted about it.
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It was her first major piece
of writing.
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What Michelle did was
introduce herself
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as a really important figure,
a sympathetic figure,
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and the person that we needed
to get to know,
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almost in a memoir way
that would help bring
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these sort
of disparate collection
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of tragedies together.
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It was so beautifully,
and, like, personally written.
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It was like every case was...
Happened to someone
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that was a friend of hers.
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It wasn't just
the usual reporting.
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It was also like
a very subtle call to action.
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I hadn't read anything
that well-written in this field
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since probably Truman Capote.
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It was just, you know,
one of those things
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where the hairs on the back
of your neck stood up.
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You know, that's when...
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things really started for her.
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I called Michelle,
and I said that I would be
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the right person
to represent that book
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if she wanted
to turn it into one.
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I think the best way
to sell this is for you to come
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to New York and meet
with the publishers.
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Daniel Greenberg said
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he was gonna send the proposal
for a true crime book
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that would transcend the genre.
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The thing that drew me to it
the most was the way Michelle
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humanized all of the victims.
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And the fact that Michelle
herself is one part of the story
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was so interesting.
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And that was what I thought
truly set it apart.
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I remember being at Shutters
at the Beach.
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Me and Michelle and Alice.
327
00:18:24,661 --> 00:18:29,577
And then, Michelle got the call
that she had sold the book.
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And we were very, very excited.
329
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I ordered up champagne.
330
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And Alice was jumping up
and down the bed
331
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because Mommy was so excited
about something.
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Alice, can you come down
333
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and sit on the couch
for a second?
334
00:18:56,702 --> 00:18:57,993
Sorry.
335
00:18:58,077 --> 00:19:00,993
Um, Alice,
come down, okay?
336
00:19:02,202 --> 00:19:03,952
You want to go see
Mercedes and...
337
00:19:04,035 --> 00:19:05,452
We go watch...
338
00:19:09,118 --> 00:19:11,619
-What?
-Let's go Peppa Pig.
339
00:19:11,702 --> 00:19:14,452
You are watching Peppa Pig.
But Mommy's talking.
340
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I go watch Peppa Pig.
341
00:19:17,118 --> 00:19:20,202
Okay.
Can you, um...
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00:19:23,243 --> 00:19:24,243
...but...
343
00:19:26,077 --> 00:19:28,494
yeah. I don't know. Um...
344
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So, where would you
start with this, then?
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Gosh.
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Op. Gosh.
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I... hey.
348
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You go watch Peppa Pig, and then
I'll put your clothes on,
349
00:19:41,410 --> 00:19:42,661
and we'll go.
350
00:19:42,744 --> 00:19:44,869
You go. Go put on your clothes,
thank you.
351
00:19:44,952 --> 00:19:46,202
Go put on your clothes.
352
00:19:47,911 --> 00:19:49,202
Um...
353
00:19:49,285 --> 00:19:52,619
I mean, I would just recanvass
those neighborhoods.
354
00:19:52,702 --> 00:19:56,035
I would look through
every police record
355
00:19:56,118 --> 00:19:58,243
from year before
and a year after.
356
00:19:58,327 --> 00:19:59,993
I mean, I think there's things
you can do.
357
00:20:00,077 --> 00:20:01,619
Again, it's just time, energy...
358
00:20:01,702 --> 00:20:03,952
After we finished
that piece, it was like, "
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00:20:04,035 --> 00:20:05,035
we're done."
360
00:20:05,118 --> 00:20:06,535
I was, like, kind
of traumatized.
361
00:20:06,619 --> 00:20:07,993
I had weird dreams.
362
00:20:08,077 --> 00:20:13,452
I don't think I realized
how toxic and scary it would be.
363
00:20:13,535 --> 00:20:15,369
But I was done.
364
00:20:15,452 --> 00:20:17,661
Like, I'm gonna go now
work on a piece
365
00:20:17,744 --> 00:20:22,285
about tacos for the next issue
of Los Angeles Magazine.
366
00:20:22,369 --> 00:20:23,661
Michelle had to continue.
367
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She was like,
"I got to keep going.
368
00:20:25,327 --> 00:20:27,243
I've got to keep...
I've got to keep go...
369
00:20:27,327 --> 00:20:29,369
I've got to keep working
on this."
370
00:20:58,077 --> 00:21:00,452
Michelle and I,
we were developing this...
371
00:21:00,535 --> 00:21:03,160
this friendly relationship.
372
00:21:03,243 --> 00:21:05,452
So, when her article
was released,
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I was holding my breath.
374
00:21:07,035 --> 00:21:09,494
And I get to the end
of the article,
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00:21:09,577 --> 00:21:11,369
I was like,
"Thank God."
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00:21:11,452 --> 00:21:12,993
She kept her word.
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00:21:13,869 --> 00:21:14,952
I could trust her.
378
00:21:16,077 --> 00:21:18,077
We had more phone calls...
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and agreed to establish some...
some email communications.
380
00:21:22,077 --> 00:21:23,911
And it was really
at that moment
381
00:21:23,993 --> 00:21:26,702
in which it clicked
between Michelle and I.
382
00:21:27,827 --> 00:21:29,369
She proved herself to me.
383
00:21:29,452 --> 00:21:31,243
And I basically
opened wide open,
384
00:21:31,327 --> 00:21:34,952
in terms of this is where I'm
going with my investigation.
385
00:21:38,369 --> 00:21:41,494
what I've got is I've got just
your general list of the cases
386
00:21:41,577 --> 00:21:43,202
and the attack times.
387
00:21:43,285 --> 00:21:45,619
When you take a look
at the homicides down south...
388
00:21:47,077 --> 00:21:48,786
...um, all the victims
appear to have been bound,
389
00:21:48,869 --> 00:21:50,786
though he sometimes
left the bindings
390
00:21:50,869 --> 00:21:52,035
and later on,
he took all the bindings.
391
00:21:52,118 --> 00:21:53,619
And do you think
he took the bindings
392
00:21:53,702 --> 00:21:55,410
because he was evolving
and kind of learning
393
00:21:55,494 --> 00:21:57,535
and didn't want
to leave evidence?
394
00:21:57,619 --> 00:21:59,494
Well, that...
that's a possibility.
395
00:22:00,744 --> 00:22:02,410
Well, and also you said,
interestingly, I mean,
396
00:22:02,494 --> 00:22:04,952
before you were talking about
how he killed defensively.
397
00:22:05,035 --> 00:22:07,869
It seems by the time
the Smith case in Ventura
398
00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:09,827
came around,
he wasn't doing that anymore.
399
00:22:09,911 --> 00:22:13,369
It was more pure rage,
"I wanna murder these people."
400
00:22:13,452 --> 00:22:14,577
Yeah.
401
00:22:19,952 --> 00:22:21,869
You can kind of see
the comings and goings
402
00:22:21,952 --> 00:22:23,661
of the people...
403
00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:25,993
without anybody
really being suspicious
404
00:22:26,077 --> 00:22:28,327
about what you're up to.
405
00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:31,619
So do we know
where the back of the house is?
406
00:22:36,077 --> 00:22:37,369
Yeah, that's it.
407
00:22:38,744 --> 00:22:40,744
This is the victim's backyard.
408
00:22:44,243 --> 00:22:46,577
Lyman Smith
was a well-known attorney
409
00:22:46,661 --> 00:22:49,993
on the verge of a superior
court judgeship.
410
00:22:50,077 --> 00:22:52,952
His wife Charlene
was an interior designer
411
00:22:53,035 --> 00:22:54,786
with a jewelry business.
412
00:23:03,786 --> 00:23:05,577
It was a regular Sunday,
413
00:23:05,661 --> 00:23:07,535
and my younger brother Gary
414
00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:10,160
had gone up to mow
the lawn at my dad's house.
415
00:23:13,619 --> 00:23:15,202
But then he went
into the house,
416
00:23:15,285 --> 00:23:17,202
and he could hear the alarm
going off.
417
00:23:19,702 --> 00:23:21,202
And Gary thought, "Crap.
418
00:23:21,285 --> 00:23:22,535
They're just getting up
right now,"
419
00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,869
which is weird
'cause it was noon or one.
420
00:23:24,952 --> 00:23:26,452
It just kept buzzing.
421
00:23:28,118 --> 00:23:30,369
So, he walked
back to the bedroom.
422
00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:33,202
He saw they were still in bed,
and he still did the, like,
423
00:23:33,285 --> 00:23:34,869
"Ooh,
I need to give them privacy."
424
00:23:34,952 --> 00:23:36,202
But at the same time thought,
425
00:23:36,285 --> 00:23:37,410
"This is weird.
They're not moving,
426
00:23:37,494 --> 00:23:38,786
and the alarm's
still going off."
427
00:23:38,869 --> 00:23:41,744
So, he walked around
to my dad's side of the bed.
428
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,369
He turned off the alarm
and lifted back the cover
429
00:23:47,452 --> 00:23:51,911
and saw that color of what
I imagine was dried blood.
430
00:23:51,993 --> 00:23:55,202
He also knew they weren't moving
and there was big trouble.
431
00:23:55,285 --> 00:23:58,661
He put the cover back
and picked up the phone
432
00:23:58,744 --> 00:24:01,993
that was there by the bed
and called 911.
433
00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:06,243
We started to learn a lot more
about what had happened
434
00:24:06,327 --> 00:24:09,702
in the house and how they died,
how they'd been murdered.
435
00:24:09,786 --> 00:24:12,952
And it was a lot worse
than anybody thought.
436
00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:18,911
The offender is able to
get Lyman face down and bound.
437
00:24:18,993 --> 00:24:21,619
Probably had Charlene
bind Lyman.
438
00:24:21,702 --> 00:24:24,619
He's even using the...
the blanket
439
00:24:24,702 --> 00:24:26,702
tucked up underneath his arms
440
00:24:26,786 --> 00:24:28,619
to make it even that much
more difficult
441
00:24:28,702 --> 00:24:32,577
for Lyman to be able
to escape out of the bed.
442
00:24:34,118 --> 00:24:36,744
Instead of leaving the room
and moving
443
00:24:36,827 --> 00:24:38,702
the woman
out to the family room,
444
00:24:38,786 --> 00:24:40,243
like he typically would do,
445
00:24:40,327 --> 00:24:42,369
I think he is
sexually assaulting Charlene
446
00:24:42,452 --> 00:24:44,369
with Lyman still in that bed.
447
00:24:45,452 --> 00:24:50,327
At some point,
he goes and retrieves a log
448
00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:51,827
and bludgeons them to death.
449
00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:57,077
The homicides up to this point
in time were shooting deaths
450
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,993
because he was reacting
defensively.
451
00:25:01,077 --> 00:25:05,327
This is the first time that
it goes the way he wants,
452
00:25:05,410 --> 00:25:09,327
and he probably realized
a huge psychological release
453
00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:12,243
from accomplishing this task.
454
00:25:16,786 --> 00:25:19,410
Five months
after the Smith homicides,
455
00:25:19,494 --> 00:25:22,452
we see the next attack
in August of 1980
456
00:25:22,535 --> 00:25:23,993
down in Laguna Niguel
457
00:25:24,077 --> 00:25:27,327
with Keith
and Patrice Harrington.
458
00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:31,535
This case identically mirrors
the Smith case in Ventura.
459
00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:34,535
Going into a gated
community to pick that...
460
00:25:34,619 --> 00:25:35,744
Yes.
461
00:25:43,952 --> 00:25:46,661
Keith was
a fourth-year medical student.
462
00:25:46,744 --> 00:25:50,452
His wife of four months, Patty,
was a registered nurse.
463
00:25:51,786 --> 00:25:53,869
Keith and Patrice Harrington.
464
00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:56,577
They're found face-down
in their bed.
465
00:25:56,661 --> 00:25:59,869
They'd been bludgeoned to death
with an unknown type weapon.
466
00:25:59,952 --> 00:26:01,869
A metal fragment
consistent with brass
467
00:26:01,952 --> 00:26:04,452
was found
in Patty's head wound.
468
00:26:04,535 --> 00:26:06,243
That suggested that someone
picked up
469
00:26:06,327 --> 00:26:08,744
one of the newly installed
brass sprinkler heads
470
00:26:08,827 --> 00:26:11,452
from the yard
and slipped inside the house.
471
00:26:11,535 --> 00:26:13,993
In a subdivision
with a manned gate,
472
00:26:14,077 --> 00:26:15,661
it was high-risk.
473
00:26:15,744 --> 00:26:17,535
It suggested
the killer's pleasure
474
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:20,661
was in part derived
from raising the stakes.
475
00:26:20,744 --> 00:26:22,911
And then six months later,
476
00:26:22,993 --> 00:26:24,993
in February of 1981,
477
00:26:25,077 --> 00:26:28,035
the Original Night Stalker
shows up in Irvine
478
00:26:28,118 --> 00:26:29,911
and attacks Manuela Witthuhn.
479
00:26:29,993 --> 00:26:31,452
Investigator Veach
480
00:26:31,535 --> 00:26:33,243
with the Irvine
Police Department.
481
00:26:33,327 --> 00:26:36,243
The time
is approximately 14:05.
482
00:26:36,327 --> 00:26:39,035
Investigating
an apparent homicide,
483
00:26:39,118 --> 00:26:44,577
which occurred sometime,
during the last evening hours.
484
00:26:44,661 --> 00:26:47,243
Manuela was wearing
a brown velour robe
485
00:26:47,327 --> 00:26:49,535
and was partially wrapped
in a sleeping bag
486
00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:52,243
which she sometimes slept in
when she was cold.
487
00:26:52,327 --> 00:26:54,160
The sleeping bag
was placed
488
00:26:54,243 --> 00:26:56,035
over the top of her head.
489
00:26:56,118 --> 00:26:58,202
And, she was struck
over the head,
490
00:26:58,285 --> 00:26:59,577
with an object,
491
00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:03,077
causing a hole
in the, bag itself.
492
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,452
The lamp's absence
gave police a good idea
493
00:27:05,535 --> 00:27:07,786
of the heavy object
that was used
494
00:27:07,869 --> 00:27:09,744
to bludgeon Manuela to death.
495
00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:11,118
In Manuela's case,
496
00:27:11,202 --> 00:27:12,369
she had been
sexually assaulted,
497
00:27:12,452 --> 00:27:14,410
bound, and then
bludgeoned to death
498
00:27:14,494 --> 00:27:16,243
just like the previous victims.
499
00:27:16,327 --> 00:27:18,494
It's just now we don't have
a male present.
500
00:27:23,202 --> 00:27:24,911
In that offense.
501
00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:28,661
Right, right.
502
00:27:28,744 --> 00:27:30,494
My brother Dave,
he had a respiratory infection.
503
00:27:30,577 --> 00:27:32,827
So, the recommendation
was that he get checked in
504
00:27:32,911 --> 00:27:34,952
the hospital
for a couple days.
505
00:27:35,035 --> 00:27:39,744
He had an incredible dose
of survivor's remorse.
506
00:27:39,827 --> 00:27:42,452
He said over and over,
"If I would've been home,
507
00:27:42,535 --> 00:27:44,243
this never would've happened."
508
00:27:49,118 --> 00:27:50,993
Couple days after the funeral,
I went over
509
00:27:51,077 --> 00:27:52,410
and stayed with my brother.
510
00:27:52,494 --> 00:27:53,911
He, you know,
was having a few beers,
511
00:27:53,993 --> 00:27:56,243
and I noticed he was getting
a little, you know,
512
00:27:56,327 --> 00:27:58,661
he was,
drinking a little bit.
513
00:27:58,744 --> 00:28:02,410
And he just all of a sudden,
He just said, you know,
514
00:28:02,494 --> 00:28:04,285
"Drew,
they think I killed her."
515
00:28:05,661 --> 00:28:07,077
He said... Well...
516
00:28:11,118 --> 00:28:12,535
And I didn't know
what to say to that.
517
00:28:12,619 --> 00:28:14,452
So, I just said,
"Did you?"
518
00:28:14,535 --> 00:28:15,869
I mean,
it just kinda came out.
519
00:28:15,952 --> 00:28:17,077
Right.
520
00:28:18,952 --> 00:28:20,452
Right.
521
00:28:21,202 --> 00:28:22,494
"I would never hurt my wife.
522
00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:24,202
I would never have anything
done to her.
523
00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:26,619
No, not in a million years.
I loved her very much."
524
00:28:29,827 --> 00:28:31,160
And I believed him.
525
00:28:36,911 --> 00:28:38,577
The murders
of Manuela Witthuhn
526
00:28:38,661 --> 00:28:42,202
and Patty and Keith Harington
shared similarities,
527
00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:45,452
both big and small.
528
00:28:46,993 --> 00:28:50,202
A forensic match
between the cases didn't exist,
529
00:28:50,285 --> 00:28:52,118
but a feeling did.
530
00:28:52,202 --> 00:28:55,118
A sense that a single mind
was at work.
531
00:29:10,786 --> 00:29:12,535
It was a dark place,
532
00:29:12,619 --> 00:29:14,243
you know,
that she was taking you.
533
00:29:14,327 --> 00:29:17,744
And I remember one time
she sent me some pages,
534
00:29:17,827 --> 00:29:19,118
and in the header,
she wrote,
535
00:29:19,202 --> 00:29:20,827
"Don't read this alone
at night."
536
00:29:20,911 --> 00:29:23,077
She just kept finding more
and more sources
537
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,410
who wanted to speak to her
and more avenues
538
00:29:25,494 --> 00:29:29,744
to sort of chase down,
and I could see how beguiling
539
00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:34,035
and, um, seductive it was,
and how, um...
540
00:29:34,118 --> 00:29:35,993
...addictive.
541
00:29:36,077 --> 00:29:38,243
- You're a good
interviewer. - I am?
542
00:29:38,327 --> 00:29:39,911
- You are.
- Good.
543
00:29:43,993 --> 00:29:46,827
Um... No, I mean...
544
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,535
And, um...
545
00:30:01,827 --> 00:30:04,035
In some ways, I'm, you know,
546
00:30:08,619 --> 00:30:11,035
Michelle's voice was a part
of the proposal
547
00:30:11,118 --> 00:30:16,118
and was a really strong part
all along, and so, you know,
548
00:30:16,202 --> 00:30:18,702
that way was a given
that that would be in the book
549
00:30:18,786 --> 00:30:19,911
in some form.
550
00:30:19,993 --> 00:30:21,494
But I know
there was part of her
551
00:30:21,577 --> 00:30:23,577
that that... that was something
she was navigating.
552
00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:26,577
She wasn't
a big "me, me, me" person.
553
00:30:26,661 --> 00:30:28,952
She was much more interested
in other people
554
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:30,577
than in talking about herself.
555
00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:41,035
Oak Park..
556
00:30:43,035 --> 00:30:45,911
Oak Park. Shit.
557
00:30:47,077 --> 00:30:50,327
Oak Park borders the west side
of Chicago.
558
00:30:50,410 --> 00:30:52,369
Ernest Hemmingway,
who grew up there,
559
00:30:52,452 --> 00:30:55,827
famously referred to it
as a town of wide lawns
560
00:30:55,911 --> 00:30:57,661
and narrow minds.
561
00:30:57,744 --> 00:31:00,786
But that wasn't my experience
with the place.
562
00:31:01,869 --> 00:31:04,702
We lived in a drafty
three-story Victorian
563
00:31:04,786 --> 00:31:06,577
on a cul-de-sac
in the center of town.
564
00:31:08,243 --> 00:31:11,035
Michelle was our baby sister
565
00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:15,619
and she was born
when I was 12 years old.
566
00:31:15,702 --> 00:31:18,327
So, there was a big gap
between Michelle
567
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:19,661
and the rest of us.
568
00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:22,869
I just moved
from playing with dolls
569
00:31:22,952 --> 00:31:25,535
to having a real...
...doll myself."
570
00:31:25,619 --> 00:31:30,035
And my mom was more
than willing to pass her off.
571
00:31:30,118 --> 00:31:33,827
In some ways,
Michelle was an only child
572
00:31:33,911 --> 00:31:35,869
because we were just up
and out.
573
00:31:41,869 --> 00:31:44,202
Because she was
so much younger than everyone else,
574
00:31:44,285 --> 00:31:46,160
I really think
she found her voice early.
575
00:31:46,243 --> 00:31:47,661
And I think she just became
576
00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:49,661
an independent thinker
and spirit.
577
00:31:49,744 --> 00:31:51,494
I mean, she came out strong.
578
00:31:53,035 --> 00:31:54,243
She came out strong-willed.
579
00:31:57,827 --> 00:32:00,243
Once Michelle
got to high school,
580
00:32:00,327 --> 00:32:03,118
which is kind of a typical time
to get rebellious,
581
00:32:03,202 --> 00:32:04,410
Michelle and my mother
582
00:32:04,494 --> 00:32:07,285
had developed into a very
complicated relationship.
583
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,035
Michelle, I think,
viewed our mother
584
00:32:12,118 --> 00:32:15,243
as more an enemy
than, you know,
585
00:32:15,327 --> 00:32:17,911
someone who was supporting her.
586
00:32:17,993 --> 00:32:20,911
Well, I think
Michelle, being the youngest,
587
00:32:20,993 --> 00:32:25,577
wanted more physical affection
and more attention
588
00:32:25,661 --> 00:32:28,786
where my mom was pretty...
pretty reserved.
589
00:32:29,869 --> 00:32:31,452
I mean,
there was never any question
590
00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:34,952
that she loved all of us deeply
and was,
591
00:32:35,035 --> 00:32:38,202
really did anything
she could to support us.
592
00:32:38,285 --> 00:32:41,744
But, you know, she did have,
I think, sometimes a...
593
00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,118
a difficult time giving
a direct compliment.
594
00:32:44,202 --> 00:32:47,577
Their communication
was just very different,
595
00:32:47,661 --> 00:32:48,911
and they would not back down.
596
00:32:58,869 --> 00:33:01,869
We button-pushed
our whole lives.
597
00:33:03,452 --> 00:33:05,993
We had a summer cabin
on Lake Michigan,
598
00:33:06,077 --> 00:33:09,577
and I remember one afternoon
as a kid playing in the waves
599
00:33:09,661 --> 00:33:11,993
as she read a book
in a chair on the beach.
600
00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:16,786
I realized the waves
were just high enough
601
00:33:16,869 --> 00:33:19,285
so that I could remain
underwater
602
00:33:19,369 --> 00:33:21,410
and then rise
for a quick breath
603
00:33:21,494 --> 00:33:23,410
when the wave
was at its highest,
604
00:33:23,494 --> 00:33:25,202
shielding me from view.
605
00:33:27,952 --> 00:33:31,619
I let my mother straighten up
and scan the water.
606
00:33:32,535 --> 00:33:34,744
I let her put down her book.
607
00:33:35,452 --> 00:33:37,702
I let her stand.
608
00:33:37,786 --> 00:33:41,452
I let her run toward the water
preparing to scream.
609
00:33:42,577 --> 00:33:46,077
Only then did I pop up
nonchalantly.
610
00:33:47,702 --> 00:33:51,577
Her lifelong nickname for me,
only half-jokingly,
611
00:33:51,661 --> 00:33:53,744
was "the little witch."
612
00:34:06,077 --> 00:34:10,243
But I felt her expectations,
the transference of hope,
613
00:34:10,327 --> 00:34:11,952
and I bristled.
614
00:34:14,077 --> 00:34:17,160
I both yearned
for her approval...
615
00:34:17,243 --> 00:34:20,369
and found her investment in me
suffocating.
616
00:34:31,577 --> 00:34:33,535
I believe
that Golden State Killer
617
00:34:33,619 --> 00:34:36,577
has a comfort
using these waterways.
618
00:34:38,952 --> 00:34:40,869
We saw that up
in the Sacramento area,
619
00:34:40,952 --> 00:34:43,285
and when he gets
to Santa Barbara,
620
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:45,243
he's going back to a region
621
00:34:45,327 --> 00:34:47,577
in which he's previously
attacked twice
622
00:34:47,661 --> 00:34:51,160
along this geographic feature,
this creek.
623
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,911
On the morning
of July 27, 1981,
624
00:35:13,993 --> 00:35:16,452
a realtor found their bodies.
625
00:35:16,535 --> 00:35:20,327
Cheri Domingo,
a Natalie Wood lookalike,
626
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:24,410
was an old fashioned romantic
who loved to dance.
627
00:35:24,494 --> 00:35:28,285
Her boyfriend Gregory Sanchez
was a computer programmer
628
00:35:28,369 --> 00:35:31,494
who coached little league
and rode a motorcycle.
629
00:35:33,577 --> 00:35:35,452
Domingo-Sanchez,
630
00:35:35,535 --> 00:35:36,869
again, they're in bed.
631
00:35:36,952 --> 00:35:39,035
It's in the middle
of the night.
632
00:35:39,118 --> 00:35:42,535
That is a horrific fight.
Very violent.
633
00:35:44,786 --> 00:35:47,786
The offender
enters the backyard
634
00:35:47,869 --> 00:35:49,702
through a side gate.
635
00:35:49,786 --> 00:35:52,744
And it appears
Gregory has got a sense
636
00:35:52,827 --> 00:35:55,285
that there's a prowler outside.
637
00:35:55,369 --> 00:35:59,202
Because when he enters
the master bedroom,
638
00:35:59,285 --> 00:36:02,410
Gregory Sanchez is already up
facing him.
639
00:36:03,452 --> 00:36:05,535
Offender pulls a gun
and shoots Gregory.
640
00:36:06,702 --> 00:36:08,452
However, Greg gets up.
641
00:36:08,535 --> 00:36:12,160
Now the offender
gets into hand-to-hand combat
642
00:36:12,243 --> 00:36:14,452
with six-foot-three
Greg Sanchez.
643
00:36:15,202 --> 00:36:17,077
It's a terrible fight.
644
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,535
The suspect ended up
bludgeoning Greg,
645
00:36:20,619 --> 00:36:22,952
and he ends up in the closet
646
00:36:23,035 --> 00:36:25,494
where he's later found
deceased.
647
00:36:25,577 --> 00:36:28,452
And Domingo
is severely bludgeoned.
648
00:36:29,619 --> 00:36:32,118
When I, years later,
spoke to the criminalist,
649
00:36:32,202 --> 00:36:35,285
she was just still
greatly disturbed
650
00:36:35,369 --> 00:36:39,577
by the amount of,
damage done to her.
651
00:36:39,661 --> 00:36:41,577
The offender's semen was found,
652
00:36:41,661 --> 00:36:43,160
but a very small amount,
653
00:36:43,243 --> 00:36:45,494
and it was found
on the comforter.
654
00:36:45,577 --> 00:36:50,118
So it's unknown what type
of sexual interaction he had,
655
00:36:50,202 --> 00:36:51,993
but he definitely
got to the point
656
00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:53,619
where he left
some semen behind.
657
00:36:58,452 --> 00:37:01,410
Five years later,
he murdered 18-year-old
658
00:37:01,494 --> 00:37:02,619
Janelle Cruz.
659
00:37:02,702 --> 00:37:05,702
Manuela and Janelle
lived in the same subdivision,
660
00:37:05,786 --> 00:37:07,577
just two miles apart.
661
00:37:08,577 --> 00:37:10,661
His female victims
was just the latest
662
00:37:10,744 --> 00:37:14,535
unlucky stand-in
for the lustful sneering women.
663
00:37:14,619 --> 00:37:16,202
Mother, wife,
664
00:37:16,285 --> 00:37:19,327
who formed a disapproving
circle around the killer
665
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:20,827
in his daydreams.
666
00:37:22,118 --> 00:37:25,410
The act of bludgeoning
was arousal.
667
00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,993
Alchemized to hate.
668
00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:31,911
My mom and I,
669
00:37:31,993 --> 00:37:34,035
people all the time
referred to us as sisters.
670
00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:36,327
And she
loved the beach, she loved...
671
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:38,619
she loved the outdoors.
She was a California girl.
672
00:37:38,702 --> 00:37:39,744
Yeah, yeah.
673
00:37:39,827 --> 00:37:41,827
She was... she was amazing.
674
00:37:42,827 --> 00:37:45,619
When my mom was killed,
I was a kid.
675
00:37:45,702 --> 00:37:47,911
I'm thinking right close
676
00:37:47,993 --> 00:37:49,452
to the end
of my 10th grade year.
677
00:37:49,535 --> 00:37:51,202
You know, she...
she would set a curfew,
678
00:37:51,285 --> 00:37:52,786
and I would break it.
679
00:37:52,869 --> 00:37:54,911
And she would set a rule, and I
would just throw it out the window.
680
00:37:54,993 --> 00:37:56,702
Bless her heart,
I don't know how
681
00:37:56,786 --> 00:37:58,035
she kept from wringing my neck.
682
00:37:58,118 --> 00:38:01,744
Um, and, um, so about,
683
00:38:01,827 --> 00:38:05,160
I want to say right about two
weeks before she was killed,
684
00:38:05,243 --> 00:38:06,744
we got in a humungous fight.
685
00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:10,202
And we ended up having
this crazy screaming match.
686
00:38:10,285 --> 00:38:13,285
And the last thing I said
to her was,
687
00:38:13,369 --> 00:38:16,077
"Why don't you just get the hell
out of my life?"
688
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,452
And I slammed down
that receiver.
689
00:38:17,535 --> 00:38:19,952
And those are the last words
I spoke to her.
690
00:38:20,035 --> 00:38:21,869
- Yeah.
- She didn't know, you know?
691
00:38:21,952 --> 00:38:23,827
Yeah. She
didn't know how to handle me
692
00:38:23,911 --> 00:38:26,369
-and, bless her heart... -MICHELLE: My...
my... Your... It's... it's interesting
693
00:38:26,452 --> 00:38:27,702
'cause my... my mom and I
694
00:38:27,786 --> 00:38:29,619
had a very complicated
relationship,
695
00:38:29,702 --> 00:38:32,160
and... but we could never
yell at each other.
696
00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:33,744
She would always slip
envelopes,
697
00:38:33,827 --> 00:38:36,494
um, under my bedroom door...
698
00:38:36,577 --> 00:38:39,285
...that had, you know,
I just remember so clearly,
699
00:38:39,369 --> 00:38:41,285
"You're vain,
thoughtless, rude."
700
00:38:41,369 --> 00:38:43,993
Like, all these terrible things,
but she could only write it out.
701
00:38:44,077 --> 00:38:45,786
She wouldn't be able
to say it to me.
702
00:38:45,869 --> 00:38:49,118
Well, yeah. Yeah, 'cause
we were totally different...
703
00:38:53,911 --> 00:38:55,035
At my wedding,
704
00:38:55,118 --> 00:38:58,410
my mother and I
had our biggest blowout.
705
00:39:00,077 --> 00:39:02,993
I put a lot of time,
too much probably,
706
00:39:03,077 --> 00:39:04,619
into the planning.
707
00:39:05,911 --> 00:39:08,952
At the dinner, I seated
small groups of people
708
00:39:09,035 --> 00:39:10,661
who didn't know each other
together.
709
00:39:10,744 --> 00:39:11,911
The only thing I told them
710
00:39:11,993 --> 00:39:13,952
was that they had
one thing in common
711
00:39:14,035 --> 00:39:15,702
and had to figure it out.
712
00:39:16,661 --> 00:39:17,827
My mother came up to me
713
00:39:17,911 --> 00:39:20,243
as I was making my way
to the bathroom.
714
00:39:20,327 --> 00:39:22,369
She gestured at the tables.
715
00:39:22,452 --> 00:39:25,744
"You have too much time
on your hands," she said.
716
00:39:26,786 --> 00:39:28,993
I'd been avoiding her
because a friend of mine
717
00:39:29,077 --> 00:39:32,327
made the mistake of telling me
that earlier in the evening,
718
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:34,285
she'd remarked to my mother
that she thought
719
00:39:34,369 --> 00:39:36,535
I was the best writer she knew.
720
00:39:36,619 --> 00:39:40,035
"I know. I think so too,"
my mother said.
721
00:39:40,118 --> 00:39:43,118
"But don't you think
it's too late for her?"
722
00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:50,243
I went to the ladies' room,
locked myself in a stall
723
00:39:50,327 --> 00:39:53,619
and allowed myself to cry
for five minutes...
724
00:39:55,952 --> 00:39:57,285
then went back out...
725
00:40:05,285 --> 00:40:07,035
Hey, sweetie. It's Patton.
726
00:40:07,118 --> 00:40:10,243
The new pages you sent me
are amazing.
727
00:40:10,327 --> 00:40:12,702
I just have a couple
little tweaks, but, man,
728
00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:16,285
that was a really cool read,
especially that last paragraph.
729
00:40:16,369 --> 00:40:17,243
My god.
730
00:40:17,327 --> 00:40:19,535
Hey. It's Patton. I'm in Miami.
731
00:40:19,619 --> 00:40:23,369
I'm in Toronto.
I'm on my way to Iceland.
732
00:40:23,452 --> 00:40:25,577
My wife is ten times smarter
than me.
733
00:40:25,661 --> 00:40:29,661
She is thinking and operating
on this way elevated level.
734
00:40:29,744 --> 00:40:31,661
And I'm just noticing
when things fart
735
00:40:31,744 --> 00:40:33,077
and pointing at it
736
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,410
until she tells me,
"Don't... don't point at that,
737
00:40:35,494 --> 00:40:37,369
all right?" "Okay."
738
00:40:37,452 --> 00:40:38,952
Who's that, Alice?
739
00:40:39,827 --> 00:40:41,369
Who is that on the TV?
740
00:40:43,952 --> 00:40:44,952
Daddy.
741
00:40:45,035 --> 00:40:46,410
Is that Daddy?
742
00:40:46,494 --> 00:40:50,035
Daddy.
743
00:40:58,535 --> 00:41:00,410
Reading galley
of Patton's book...
744
00:41:11,535 --> 00:41:13,327
Michelle was, um...
745
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:14,869
she was so hard on herself.
746
00:41:14,952 --> 00:41:18,202
Her writing and, "Am I doing
a good job as a mom?"
747
00:41:18,285 --> 00:41:20,535
And Patton was working a lot.
748
00:41:20,619 --> 00:41:22,035
So, yeah. I... I'm gonna...
749
00:41:22,118 --> 00:41:24,369
I'll just meet you at Barnes.
I... I got to do a signing.
750
00:41:24,452 --> 00:41:26,952
About to do a video shoot here
for Spin Magazine.
751
00:41:27,035 --> 00:41:29,869
I'm so close to finishing
this goddamn movie.
752
00:41:33,494 --> 00:41:36,993
Got your email.
I am doing the errands now.
753
00:41:37,077 --> 00:41:38,993
You want her to go
to a two o'clock class?
754
00:41:39,077 --> 00:41:41,160
I'm gonna do these
as quickly as I can.
755
00:41:41,243 --> 00:41:43,494
Call me if you...
if you think of anything else
756
00:41:43,577 --> 00:41:44,952
for me to get, goodbye.
757
00:41:45,035 --> 00:41:46,035
Hey, it's Patton.
758
00:41:46,118 --> 00:41:47,369
- Hi!
- Driving home
759
00:41:47,452 --> 00:41:49,327
- as fast as I can.
- You're on a horsey.
760
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:51,452
Hey, it's Patton.
Just got a call
761
00:41:51,535 --> 00:41:53,160
from my guys at CAA.
762
00:41:53,243 --> 00:41:55,827
- They can get me... Get us...
- You're on a horsey.
763
00:41:55,911 --> 00:41:57,702
this... for this Thursday,
764
00:41:57,786 --> 00:42:00,285
two tickets to go see
Prince at the Forum.
765
00:42:04,952 --> 00:42:06,327
Happy birthday, Michelle.
766
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:08,619
Hello.
This is a refill reminder
767
00:42:08,702 --> 00:42:12,327
from CVS Pharmacy
for Michelle McNamara.
768
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:14,285
We show that the following
prescription numbers
769
00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:15,410
are due for refill.
770
00:42:15,494 --> 00:42:16,911
Hi, Michelle.
This is your father
771
00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:18,869
calling to wish you
happy birthday.
772
00:42:18,952 --> 00:42:20,410
To be 41 again.
773
00:42:20,494 --> 00:42:22,619
How sweet it is.
Talk to you soon.
774
00:42:29,118 --> 00:42:30,202
It's two plates.
775
00:42:48,869 --> 00:42:50,452
You know, Michelle...
776
00:42:51,369 --> 00:42:54,702
Michelle
was a brilliant investigator.
777
00:42:54,786 --> 00:42:57,160
Aside from
being a good writer,
778
00:42:57,243 --> 00:42:59,619
she had a real
investigative mind.
779
00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:01,911
She didn't just tick the boxes.
780
00:43:01,993 --> 00:43:06,661
She was a creative thinker
about crime.
781
00:43:06,744 --> 00:43:08,369
I mean,
I was shocked, frankly,
782
00:43:08,452 --> 00:43:10,535
when Larry Crompton told me
that he called Santa Barbara
783
00:43:10,619 --> 00:43:14,202
and he was told over the phone
the murders never happened.
784
00:43:14,285 --> 00:43:15,911
- I... I was shocked.
- Yeah.
785
00:43:15,993 --> 00:43:18,744
He said, "Listen,
it was a different time."
786
00:43:18,827 --> 00:43:20,661
A lot of things went wrong
because people...
787
00:43:20,744 --> 00:43:22,077
You didn't even share
information
788
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,911
among your coworkers,
which is crazy.
789
00:43:24,993 --> 00:43:27,118
They could've
solved these cases.
790
00:43:27,202 --> 00:43:29,410
There is no question.
791
00:43:29,494 --> 00:43:32,410
And I think people
would be very surprised
792
00:43:32,494 --> 00:43:35,452
how these investigations
can simply go off the rail
793
00:43:35,535 --> 00:43:36,786
and never go anywhere.
794
00:43:38,035 --> 00:43:41,494
So everyone
that I talk to seemed to grumble
795
00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:43,744
a bit about Santa Barbara.
796
00:43:43,827 --> 00:43:45,869
Do you feel like
that's kind of a past thing?
797
00:43:55,535 --> 00:43:57,993
When I was working
in Santa Barbara,
798
00:43:58,077 --> 00:44:02,243
there were a tremendous amount
of burglary,
799
00:44:02,327 --> 00:44:04,410
prowling, and rapes.
800
00:44:06,202 --> 00:44:10,243
To me, the numbers of rapes
we had was just astonishing.
801
00:44:10,327 --> 00:44:12,619
And a lot of it
was written off as,
802
00:44:12,702 --> 00:44:15,202
"Well, it's a university town.
What do you expect?
803
00:44:15,285 --> 00:44:16,702
What do you expect?" Well.
804
00:44:17,744 --> 00:44:19,118
But I never understood
805
00:44:19,202 --> 00:44:21,202
Santa Barbara as...
Was different
806
00:44:21,285 --> 00:44:22,535
than other jurisdictions.
807
00:44:22,619 --> 00:44:24,535
Did it have to do with,
"We don't want bad publicity?"
808
00:44:24,619 --> 00:44:26,160
What do you think it was?
809
00:44:26,243 --> 00:44:30,369
Well, Reagan's ranch
was about 15 miles up the coast.
810
00:44:30,452 --> 00:44:32,494
At that time, Ronald Reagan
811
00:44:32,577 --> 00:44:35,869
was in the process
of declaring his candidacy
812
00:44:35,952 --> 00:44:37,327
for president...
813
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:40,077
...and they did not want
any of this negative stigma.
814
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,494
They didn't want the publicity.
815
00:44:41,577 --> 00:44:43,577
They didn't want the publicity.
816
00:44:43,661 --> 00:44:45,827
And then we had Montecito,
where, you know,
817
00:44:45,911 --> 00:44:49,702
every famous person on earth
has at least one house.
818
00:44:51,952 --> 00:44:55,619
So, it shows you the money
819
00:44:55,702 --> 00:44:58,369
and political influences there.
820
00:44:59,327 --> 00:45:02,202
I remembered asking
the sergeant,
821
00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:05,702
"Why... why do you not
publicize these,
822
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,202
sexual assaults that we have?"
823
00:45:07,285 --> 00:45:10,327
"Well, the sheriff,
made an agreement
824
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:13,869
with the board of realtors
that we would not publicize
825
00:45:13,952 --> 00:45:15,202
certain crimes."
826
00:45:15,285 --> 00:45:16,369
God.
827
00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,494
"Because property values
will go down..."
828
00:45:18,577 --> 00:45:19,619
Wow.
829
00:45:19,702 --> 00:45:21,535
"...and they don't want
people afraid
830
00:45:21,619 --> 00:45:23,035
to come here and buy."
831
00:45:23,118 --> 00:45:24,702
'Cause Goleta was growing.
832
00:45:24,786 --> 00:45:28,577
So, when we get into
the period of the homicides,
833
00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,327
we were, psst, quiet.
834
00:45:37,369 --> 00:45:38,993
Hey, Mich. It's Mary Rita.
835
00:45:39,077 --> 00:45:40,494
We just went to see dad.
836
00:45:40,577 --> 00:45:42,410
Yeah, he was totally sedated
and out of it.
837
00:45:42,494 --> 00:45:45,744
But, um, obviously
the next 48 hours are critical.
838
00:45:45,827 --> 00:45:47,243
We will keep you posted.
839
00:45:47,327 --> 00:45:48,577
All right, thanks.
Bye.
840
00:46:13,993 --> 00:46:18,993
- This is North Star Security at
323-730-4935. -
841
00:46:32,369 --> 00:46:34,619
We've just installed
a massive security system
842
00:46:34,702 --> 00:46:37,369
in our house to keep us
sane... This is probably little paranoid
843
00:46:37,452 --> 00:46:38,744
but better safe than sorry.
844
00:46:38,827 --> 00:46:40,993
I noticed the screen on one
of the front windows was off.
845
00:46:41,077 --> 00:46:43,452
My assumption is that...
I meant to mention this earlier,
846
00:46:43,535 --> 00:46:45,160
but I'd prefer if none of us...
847
00:46:45,243 --> 00:46:47,452
I wanted to be sure,
in case some crazy man
848
00:46:47,535 --> 00:46:49,452
out of a horror movie
is trying to get in.
849
00:46:49,535 --> 00:46:51,410
Something I think
about surprisingly often.
850
00:46:51,494 --> 00:46:53,118
I know I'm being paranoid,
but it...
851
00:46:57,952 --> 00:46:59,285
You guys own a gun?
852
00:46:59,369 --> 00:47:01,118
- No.
- You should get one.
853
00:47:01,202 --> 00:47:03,952
I know... Well, no.
Patton's, like, blind as a bat.
854
00:47:04,035 --> 00:47:05,202
I'm jittery.
855
00:47:05,285 --> 00:47:07,535
We're the worst people
in the world to have a gun.
856
00:47:07,619 --> 00:47:08,786
He likes to shoot guns.
857
00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:10,744
I just... We can't have one
in the house.
858
00:48:03,494 --> 00:48:05,243
At the time that he died,
859
00:48:05,327 --> 00:48:07,952
she literally got in
860
00:48:08,786 --> 00:48:10,744
just after he had kind of...
861
00:48:11,118 --> 00:48:12,035
lost,
862
00:48:12,118 --> 00:48:13,619
you know, consciousness
or whatever.
863
00:48:13,702 --> 00:48:18,494
And so she didn't really get
that... that last moment
864
00:48:18,577 --> 00:48:20,243
with him.
865
00:48:20,327 --> 00:48:23,952
So, there was a lot
of shock for her.
866
00:48:25,452 --> 00:48:27,786
Michelle and my dad had
a very special relationship.
867
00:48:27,869 --> 00:48:31,285
They were just, you know,
simpatico, I would say.
868
00:48:32,327 --> 00:48:34,786
After he had passed,
she had told us
869
00:48:34,869 --> 00:48:37,744
the inscription on the book
she planned to use was
870
00:48:37,827 --> 00:48:39,494
"To my father who believed."
871
00:48:44,911 --> 00:48:47,619
But, you know,
she just kind of kept...
872
00:48:47,702 --> 00:48:48,952
kept at it and kept working.
873
00:48:49,035 --> 00:48:53,035
And, um, in hindsight,
she probably should have, um,
874
00:48:53,118 --> 00:48:55,160
slowed down a little bit
and taken a little...
875
00:48:55,243 --> 00:48:56,869
taken a little more time.
876
00:49:00,993 --> 00:49:04,494
You've been now
studying this for so long
877
00:49:04,577 --> 00:49:06,285
and looking at it as a puzzle
878
00:49:06,369 --> 00:49:09,744
that horror doesn't really
affect you anymore.
879
00:49:09,827 --> 00:49:11,285
Well, I'm not sure.
880
00:49:11,369 --> 00:49:13,452
- Really? I... yeah.
- I mean, I'm,
881
00:49:13,535 --> 00:49:15,993
yeah. I mean, I... I still don't
probably have
882
00:49:16,077 --> 00:49:18,285
a good night's sleep,
you know, every night.
883
00:49:18,369 --> 00:49:20,077
And, um, thank God for Ambien.
884
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,285
But it doesn't make for, like,
a peaceful existence.
885
00:49:23,369 --> 00:49:24,869
That doesn't mean
I'm stopping it,
886
00:49:24,952 --> 00:49:28,285
but I certainly think
it's kind of wormed its way
887
00:49:28,369 --> 00:49:29,993
in... into my brain a bit.
888
00:49:35,744 --> 00:49:37,535
Well, and you could tell.
889
00:49:39,035 --> 00:49:40,744
Yeah.
890
00:49:43,285 --> 00:49:44,369
Yeah.
891
00:49:46,535 --> 00:49:48,535
For my brother,
this cloud of suspicion
892
00:49:48,619 --> 00:49:50,535
just seemed to never go away.
893
00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:59,577
Some very professional,
well-meaning people
894
00:49:59,661 --> 00:50:01,744
were investigating this crime.
895
00:50:01,827 --> 00:50:03,993
But they had no suspect.
896
00:50:04,077 --> 00:50:07,452
So, he always had to remain
a person of interest.
897
00:50:08,952 --> 00:50:12,869
I don't know how he emotionally
dealt with that day after day,
898
00:50:12,952 --> 00:50:14,035
year after year.
899
00:50:15,202 --> 00:50:19,035
Manuela was killed in 1981,
and it wasn't until 2000
900
00:50:19,118 --> 00:50:21,911
that my brother no longer
was a person of interest.
901
00:50:25,202 --> 00:50:28,160
I just picked up the paper
on a Sunday morning.
902
00:50:28,243 --> 00:50:31,452
Opened it up, and
there's my brother's picture.
903
00:50:31,535 --> 00:50:33,661
They made a... a DNA connection
904
00:50:33,744 --> 00:50:36,327
between Manuela's killing
and others.
905
00:50:40,077 --> 00:50:42,202
But to have that cloud
of suspicion...
906
00:50:42,285 --> 00:50:45,077
- Right.
- ...over you for so long.
907
00:50:51,952 --> 00:50:53,035
Yeah, absolutely.
908
00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:55,077
Yeah.
909
00:51:02,744 --> 00:51:05,952
When the crime labs
began incorporating DNA testing
910
00:51:06,035 --> 00:51:08,869
in the early '90s,
Orange County decided
911
00:51:08,952 --> 00:51:12,993
to prioritize homicides
involving sexual assaults.
912
00:51:13,077 --> 00:51:17,202
Every inch of fabric
and millimeter of cotton tip,
913
00:51:17,285 --> 00:51:18,786
held promise.
914
00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:23,993
In 1996, Mary Hong
was one of the criminalists
915
00:51:24,077 --> 00:51:27,452
tasked with concentrating
on cold cases.
916
00:51:27,535 --> 00:51:30,160
An older criminalist
took her aside.
917
00:51:30,661 --> 00:51:32,243
Fifteen years on,
918
00:51:32,327 --> 00:51:34,993
he still hadn't forgotten
his old suspicion.
919
00:51:41,993 --> 00:51:44,702
This case was the very first
cold case
920
00:51:44,786 --> 00:51:46,035
that I started to work,
921
00:51:46,118 --> 00:51:48,243
and that was in 1997.
922
00:51:48,327 --> 00:51:50,243
I was working
for Contra Costa County
923
00:51:50,327 --> 00:51:52,410
as a young criminalist.
924
00:51:52,494 --> 00:51:54,911
I had just started DNA training.
925
00:51:54,993 --> 00:51:57,202
One day,
I found this file cabinet
926
00:51:57,285 --> 00:51:59,243
that I never saw anybody go to.
927
00:51:59,327 --> 00:52:03,118
What really stood out
was this red E-A-R
928
00:52:03,202 --> 00:52:04,619
written on each tab.
929
00:52:04,702 --> 00:52:07,993
That's when I learned
about the East Area Rapist.
930
00:52:08,619 --> 00:52:10,452
I was fascinated.
931
00:52:10,535 --> 00:52:11,993
We won't be able to do anything
932
00:52:12,077 --> 00:52:14,869
because it's long past
statute of limitations.
933
00:52:14,952 --> 00:52:16,786
But I just want
to kind of figure out,
934
00:52:16,869 --> 00:52:19,452
you know,
maybe I can identify the guy
935
00:52:19,535 --> 00:52:21,160
and solve this series.
936
00:52:23,202 --> 00:52:25,035
I end up calling Larry Crompton.
937
00:52:26,869 --> 00:52:28,744
I got a phone call.
938
00:52:28,827 --> 00:52:32,869
And, fella said,
"I'm Paul Holes.
939
00:52:32,952 --> 00:52:36,035
I'm with the crime lab
in Contra Costa."
940
00:52:36,118 --> 00:52:41,285
And I said, "Paul,
I know of five homicides
941
00:52:41,369 --> 00:52:42,827
in Southern California.
942
00:52:42,911 --> 00:52:45,327
I know it's our rapist
that did it,
943
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:50,494
but nobody will talk to me,
and nobody will help me."
944
00:52:50,577 --> 00:52:53,369
I was told that the
Orange County Sheriff's office
945
00:52:53,452 --> 00:52:54,993
has been
doing some DNA work.
946
00:52:55,077 --> 00:52:56,827
So I did call up,
Mary Hong,
947
00:52:56,911 --> 00:53:00,118
but our DNA profiles
were different technologies.
948
00:53:00,202 --> 00:53:02,327
We couldn't compare 'em.
949
00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:06,410
It took four years before we got
that technology online
950
00:53:06,494 --> 00:53:09,202
and could revisit
the East Area Rapist case.
951
00:53:09,285 --> 00:53:11,160
The tubes
that advanced the mystery
952
00:53:11,243 --> 00:53:14,577
closer to an answer
were opened and tested.
953
00:53:14,661 --> 00:53:19,077
When the results came in,
Paul Holes called Mary Hong.
954
00:53:20,077 --> 00:53:22,535
"Same guy," Mary said.
955
00:53:23,993 --> 00:53:25,661
With the Ventura case,
956
00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:27,327
Lyman, Charlene Smith,
957
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:28,952
we have semen evidence.
958
00:53:29,035 --> 00:53:32,410
In Patrice and Keith Harrington,
we have semen evidence.
959
00:53:32,494 --> 00:53:35,243
With Manuela Witthuhn,
we have semen evidence.
960
00:53:35,327 --> 00:53:39,535
Domingo-Sanchez,
Janelle Cruz,
961
00:53:39,619 --> 00:53:42,661
five of cases all have
semen evidence
962
00:53:42,744 --> 00:53:46,869
in which DNA testing showed
it was the same offender,
963
00:53:46,952 --> 00:53:48,285
the same DNA profile.
964
00:53:48,369 --> 00:53:50,535
And of course,
in my jurisdiction
965
00:53:50,619 --> 00:53:52,535
in Contra Costa County,
I had three cases
966
00:53:52,619 --> 00:53:55,035
in which I still had evidence
from the sexual assaults
967
00:53:55,118 --> 00:53:58,535
that matched the five
DNA-related cases
968
00:53:58,619 --> 00:54:00,285
to the Original Night Stalker
series.
969
00:54:00,369 --> 00:54:03,869
And that connection
was made back in March of 2001.
970
00:54:03,952 --> 00:54:07,327
We believe he is responsible
for no fewer than 12 murders,
971
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:11,243
50 rapes, um, between 1976
and 1986.
972
00:54:11,327 --> 00:54:14,035
We don't have a name,
and... and that's the goal.
973
00:54:14,118 --> 00:54:16,661
We need to match name
to the DNA profile.
974
00:54:26,494 --> 00:54:28,118
Hey Michelle.
975
00:55:35,118 --> 00:55:38,827
7:07 on an early
Thanksgiving morning,
976
00:55:38,911 --> 00:55:40,243
the 26th day of November.
977
00:55:40,327 --> 00:55:41,993
-Happy Thanksgiving. -RADIO
HOST 2: Happy Thanksgiving.
978
00:55:42,077 --> 00:55:43,661
Yes,
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
979
00:55:43,744 --> 00:55:44,952
Real nice to have you with us...
980
00:56:19,327 --> 00:56:20,702
Hello?
981
00:56:23,577 --> 00:56:24,619
Hello?
982
00:56:25,869 --> 00:56:27,993
Hello?
983
00:56:45,243 --> 00:56:47,911
Gonna kill you.
984
00:56:49,452 --> 00:56:52,118
Gonna kill you.
985
00:56:53,744 --> 00:56:56,661
Gonna kill you.
74842
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