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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,691 --> 00:00:03,315 When I'm puzzling over the details of an unsolved crime 2 00:00:03,399 --> 00:00:04,982 I'm like a rat in a maze given a task. 3 00:00:05,065 --> 00:00:06,857 I had a murder habit and it was bad. 4 00:00:06,941 --> 00:00:08,857 I would feed it for the rest of my life. 5 00:00:10,607 --> 00:00:12,816 Her ultimate dream was always to write books. 6 00:00:13,065 --> 00:00:14,857 The case that I'm most obsessed with is 7 00:00:14,941 --> 00:00:16,982 a serial offender that raped 50 women 8 00:00:17,065 --> 00:00:19,148 in California and killed ten people. 9 00:00:19,232 --> 00:00:21,065 She also really wanted a child. 10 00:00:21,148 --> 00:00:22,399 Alice! 11 00:00:22,565 --> 00:00:25,732 Michelle wanted to get this guy caught. 12 00:00:26,315 --> 00:00:29,440 The story of the victims, it has to be told. 13 00:00:29,899 --> 00:00:32,399 We were awakened by a voice. 14 00:00:32,482 --> 00:00:34,190 There he is in his ski mask. 15 00:00:34,273 --> 00:00:36,565 He said, "Don't move or I'll kill you. 16 00:00:38,107 --> 00:00:39,857 Everyone loves a story about a killer, 17 00:00:39,941 --> 00:00:41,524 but there was nothing new to say yet. 18 00:01:41,065 --> 00:01:42,273 Now... 19 00:03:48,107 --> 00:03:49,357 This guy, I think... 20 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,440 I guess what I think people underestimate is the... 21 00:03:54,816 --> 00:03:56,899 I hate to use this word, the productivity and the... 22 00:03:56,982 --> 00:04:00,107 he was so... this is what he did constantly. 23 00:04:00,190 --> 00:04:01,899 And when you do something over and over again, 24 00:04:01,982 --> 00:04:03,941 you get... you just get better at it. 25 00:04:04,023 --> 00:04:05,732 And I don't think that that necessarily meant... 26 00:04:05,816 --> 00:04:08,023 I just don't think he was an evil genius. 27 00:04:08,107 --> 00:04:09,691 - Right. - I think if you're out 28 00:04:09,774 --> 00:04:11,816 - every night at 3:00 a.m... - Right. 29 00:04:11,899 --> 00:04:14,065 ...trying to break into people's houses, 30 00:04:14,148 --> 00:04:15,941 it's a numbers game. At a certain point, 31 00:04:16,023 --> 00:04:18,107 you're gonna be successful. 32 00:04:31,482 --> 00:04:32,982 Hey, it's Patton. 33 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:34,482 Just wanted to call and congratulate you. 34 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:36,273 That is such awesome news. 35 00:04:36,357 --> 00:04:37,524 You so deserve it. 36 00:04:39,941 --> 00:04:41,107 Hey, Michelle. 37 00:04:41,190 --> 00:04:43,315 I just wanted to say congratulations. 38 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:45,315 I'm just thrilled for you. 39 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:47,065 Hey Michelle, It's Mel. 40 00:04:47,148 --> 00:04:48,899 Call me, I'm looking forward to talking to you 41 00:04:48,982 --> 00:04:51,357 about the, um, article. 42 00:04:55,023 --> 00:04:58,107 One, one thing that, um, was... 43 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:00,273 that I was interested in was... 44 00:05:00,357 --> 00:05:01,816 how do you think the East Area Rapist 45 00:05:01,899 --> 00:05:03,982 chose the victims? Because that's the other thing 46 00:05:04,065 --> 00:05:05,774 that's so striking to me about this case, 47 00:05:05,857 --> 00:05:08,607 is that there obviously has to be a high level of surveillance. 48 00:05:08,691 --> 00:05:10,607 But then there's also 49 00:05:10,691 --> 00:05:12,607 a spontaneity issue because... 50 00:05:12,691 --> 00:05:14,315 So, he had to, like, pick these people, 51 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:15,816 but then it's also, like, the one time 52 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:17,482 the husband's called away for two hours. 53 00:05:17,565 --> 00:05:19,482 So it's almost like he's omnipresent, 54 00:05:19,565 --> 00:05:20,941 and I can't figure that out. 55 00:05:21,023 --> 00:05:22,816 Well, a lot of times he would go in 56 00:05:22,899 --> 00:05:25,732 and I think he would pick out a person. 57 00:05:27,482 --> 00:05:28,982 A lot of times he would go in 58 00:05:29,065 --> 00:05:31,857 and I think he would pick out a person. But... 59 00:05:31,941 --> 00:05:33,565 So he was going into their house maybe beforehand 60 00:05:33,649 --> 00:05:35,023 - when they weren't there? - Yes. Yes. 61 00:05:35,107 --> 00:05:36,732 - Okay. - Yeah. 62 00:05:38,148 --> 00:05:39,190 The hook for me 63 00:05:39,273 --> 00:05:41,232 was that the case seemed solvable. 64 00:05:43,691 --> 00:05:45,816 He'd left behind so many victims 65 00:05:45,899 --> 00:05:47,732 and abundant clues. 66 00:05:48,857 --> 00:05:51,816 The case dragged me under quickly. 67 00:05:51,899 --> 00:05:55,607 Curiosity turned to clawing hunger. 68 00:05:55,691 --> 00:05:58,857 There were two more victims in January. 69 00:05:58,941 --> 00:06:01,065 A quote by an anonymous sheriff's detective 70 00:06:01,148 --> 00:06:02,190 in the Sacramento Bee 71 00:06:02,273 --> 00:06:05,190 conveyed the brittle weariness setting in. 72 00:06:05,273 --> 00:06:08,607 "It was exactly the same as all the rest." 73 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:13,857 The first draft of Michelle's piece comes in, 74 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:19,190 and it is one of the most difficult, 75 00:06:19,273 --> 00:06:22,565 disturbing, violent collections 76 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:26,524 of terrible things that happened to people. 77 00:06:26,607 --> 00:06:28,524 And I was like, "Shit. 78 00:06:28,607 --> 00:06:30,315 This is real." 79 00:06:31,065 --> 00:06:33,148 And then it was like... 80 00:06:33,232 --> 00:06:36,232 an elevator plunging 20,000 stories. 81 00:06:39,607 --> 00:06:43,065 This is the first paragraph 82 00:06:43,148 --> 00:06:46,607 that just gave me nightmares. 83 00:06:49,941 --> 00:06:51,399 "The first attack 84 00:06:51,482 --> 00:06:55,148 in many ways resembled the 49 that followed. 85 00:06:55,232 --> 00:06:57,899 The 23-year-old victim woke to a man 86 00:06:57,982 --> 00:07:00,732 in a navy blue T-shirt and white ski mask 87 00:07:00,816 --> 00:07:03,399 standing in her bedroom doorway. 88 00:07:03,482 --> 00:07:06,732 He wore no pants and was erect. 89 00:07:06,816 --> 00:07:10,399 She thought she was dreaming until he leaped onto her bed. 90 00:07:10,482 --> 00:07:12,941 'If you make one move or sound, 91 00:07:13,023 --> 00:07:15,941 I'll stick this knife in you,' he whispered, 92 00:07:16,023 --> 00:07:19,357 pressing the blade into her right temple." 93 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:20,899 The unknown offender, 94 00:07:21,023 --> 00:07:23,273 soon dubbed "the East Area Rapist," 95 00:07:23,357 --> 00:07:24,941 would go on to rape and terrorize 96 00:07:25,023 --> 00:07:29,482 Northern California communities for the next three years. 97 00:07:29,565 --> 00:07:32,190 "His habits were unique and disturbing. 98 00:07:32,273 --> 00:07:34,524 He clearly did a great deal of surveillance 99 00:07:34,607 --> 00:07:36,691 of his victims and their homes. 100 00:07:36,774 --> 00:07:40,440 He used shoelaces or torn towels as ligatures." 101 00:07:40,524 --> 00:07:43,273 "His tenth victim was playing the piano 102 00:07:43,357 --> 00:07:45,148 when he materialized. 103 00:07:45,232 --> 00:07:47,023 He tied her hands behind her back 104 00:07:47,107 --> 00:07:50,732 with shoelaces he'd stolen earlier from her sister's shoes. 105 00:07:50,816 --> 00:07:53,565 He had her masturbate him with hand lotion, 106 00:07:53,649 --> 00:07:55,065 a habit of his, 107 00:07:55,148 --> 00:07:58,649 while he quizzed her on her sexual history. 108 00:07:58,732 --> 00:08:00,565 The victim was a virgin. 109 00:08:00,649 --> 00:08:02,315 He raped her anyway. 110 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,732 'Isn't this good?' he asked. 111 00:08:04,816 --> 00:08:07,732 He held a knife to her throat until she said yes." 112 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:13,982 When I was reading the piece, 113 00:08:14,065 --> 00:08:15,899 the number "50" skid past me 114 00:08:15,982 --> 00:08:18,023 the first few times I read that story 115 00:08:18,107 --> 00:08:20,357 because it was like, "Twelve murders. 116 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,607 Murders, murders, murders." 117 00:08:21,691 --> 00:08:24,315 And then I stepped back and I was like, "Fifty rapes." 118 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:27,357 No one wants to talk about that part of the story, really. 119 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,565 The devastation that that had on the community, 120 00:08:30,649 --> 00:08:32,232 on partners, in families, 121 00:08:32,315 --> 00:08:34,649 and then made worse by the fact that 122 00:08:34,732 --> 00:08:37,065 we just didn't necessarily have the tools 123 00:08:37,148 --> 00:08:40,732 or the culture to treat the victims 124 00:08:40,816 --> 00:08:43,107 in the way they probably needed at that time. 125 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:47,357 They range in age from 22 to 35, 126 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,148 in color, from black to brown to white. 127 00:08:51,524 --> 00:08:53,857 Joel, convicted of two rapes. 128 00:08:53,941 --> 00:08:56,565 He also told me he'd attacked men. 129 00:08:57,107 --> 00:08:58,107 This is Vic. 130 00:08:58,190 --> 00:09:00,524 He raped, then murdered a woman. 131 00:09:00,607 --> 00:09:03,774 Jim used a gun to beat his victims. 132 00:09:03,857 --> 00:09:05,857 In the '70s in Sacramento, 133 00:09:05,941 --> 00:09:08,273 there seemed to be a center for the real wackos. 134 00:09:08,357 --> 00:09:09,524 It really did. 135 00:09:09,607 --> 00:09:12,941 You had all kinds of rapists. 136 00:09:13,023 --> 00:09:17,440 The Early Bird Rapist, who started about '68 or '70, 137 00:09:17,524 --> 00:09:20,023 he did 41, I think it was, 138 00:09:20,107 --> 00:09:21,399 rapes, in the homes. 139 00:09:21,482 --> 00:09:23,399 That never made much in the way of news. 140 00:09:23,482 --> 00:09:24,524 The Stinky Rapist. 141 00:09:24,607 --> 00:09:26,774 He did many, many rapes in Berkeley. 142 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:28,691 And they thought they knew who he was, 143 00:09:28,774 --> 00:09:30,107 but the DA wouldn't file. 144 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:33,691 And he moved to Oakland, where he continued raping 145 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,273 and was never caught. 146 00:09:35,357 --> 00:09:37,065 You had the Car Key Rapist. 147 00:09:37,148 --> 00:09:39,399 He would rape the lady in the car, 148 00:09:39,482 --> 00:09:42,065 and then he would take off with the key. 149 00:09:42,148 --> 00:09:45,273 And, you had the Pillowcase Rapist. 150 00:09:45,357 --> 00:09:48,982 These were very, very active rapists. 151 00:09:49,065 --> 00:09:51,732 There were about 15 that I come up with, 152 00:09:51,816 --> 00:09:55,357 where they were raping 30, 40, 50 people. 153 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,232 Rape in the '70s was... 154 00:09:58,315 --> 00:10:00,982 a crime like a simple assault. 155 00:10:01,065 --> 00:10:03,565 It was not considered a big deal. 156 00:10:03,649 --> 00:10:06,273 The sentence for, um... 157 00:10:06,357 --> 00:10:08,941 raping somebody could be 30 days, 158 00:10:09,023 --> 00:10:10,774 could be 90 days, you'd get probation. 159 00:10:10,857 --> 00:10:14,440 There was no real, crime statute 160 00:10:14,524 --> 00:10:15,732 for sexual assault, 161 00:10:15,816 --> 00:10:20,107 and so, um, I think when these crimes began, 162 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:23,148 um, you know, you looked at the way women were treated. 163 00:10:23,232 --> 00:10:25,899 The sex offender today has a greater number 164 00:10:25,982 --> 00:10:28,023 of available women to choose from. 165 00:10:28,107 --> 00:10:31,982 There are more working women, single women living alone, 166 00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:34,482 not with their families or with men. 167 00:10:34,565 --> 00:10:36,273 Because of the mobility 168 00:10:36,357 --> 00:10:37,774 and the visibility of today's woman, 169 00:10:37,857 --> 00:10:39,857 she must learn to understand the rapist. 170 00:10:39,941 --> 00:10:42,774 For today's woman to understand the rapist, 171 00:10:42,857 --> 00:10:44,857 she's gotta learn to understand the man. 172 00:10:47,023 --> 00:10:48,982 Of course, women didn't talk about it 173 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:50,691 because of the way they were treated 174 00:10:50,774 --> 00:10:52,482 when they did talk about it, 175 00:10:52,565 --> 00:10:54,023 and oftentimes blamed 176 00:10:54,107 --> 00:10:56,232 for what did they do that was inappropriate 177 00:10:56,315 --> 00:10:58,190 or what, you know, what were they wearing? 178 00:10:58,273 --> 00:10:59,482 How were they walking? 179 00:10:59,565 --> 00:11:01,565 You know, did they do something 180 00:11:01,649 --> 00:11:03,524 that would've brought that kind of attention 181 00:11:03,607 --> 00:11:05,107 against their will? 182 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:08,107 The young girl made one bad move after another. 183 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:09,982 Her attitude was much too inviting. 184 00:11:10,065 --> 00:11:13,440 She should never have stopped to window shop at night. 185 00:11:13,524 --> 00:11:15,857 She parked in a dark section of the parking lot 186 00:11:15,941 --> 00:11:18,190 and didn't have her keys ready in her hand. 187 00:11:27,273 --> 00:11:29,232 So, Michelle... 188 00:11:29,315 --> 00:11:32,107 how did you become interested in true crime? 189 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:34,440 You know, how old were you when you first got into it? 190 00:11:34,524 --> 00:11:38,524 I got interested in true crime, um, because when I was 14, 191 00:11:38,607 --> 00:11:40,982 living outside of Chicago, 192 00:11:41,065 --> 00:11:43,065 a neighbor of mine was murdered. 193 00:11:43,148 --> 00:11:46,691 Um, and it... it was, it's still unsolved. 194 00:11:46,774 --> 00:11:48,148 Her name was Kathy Lombardo. 195 00:11:50,107 --> 00:11:53,607 I grew up in Oak Park, Illinois, which is outside Chicago. 196 00:11:53,691 --> 00:11:56,273 It was just a laid-back residential area 197 00:11:56,357 --> 00:11:58,816 and it really kind of shocked our town. 198 00:11:58,899 --> 00:12:01,148 And it was... it was headline news, for sure. 199 00:12:01,232 --> 00:12:03,691 Kathy Lombardo grew up in this neighborhood. 200 00:12:03,774 --> 00:12:05,023 She felt safe here. 201 00:12:05,107 --> 00:12:07,482 So she could be found just about every night of the week 202 00:12:07,565 --> 00:12:09,857 walking briskly through these streets and alleys, 203 00:12:09,941 --> 00:12:13,732 always alone, always wearing her stereo headphones 204 00:12:13,816 --> 00:12:16,065 with the music turned up full blast. 205 00:12:16,148 --> 00:12:19,315 Last night, somebody grabbed the 24-year-old Oak Park woman 206 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:21,232 in an alley, probably from behind, 207 00:12:21,315 --> 00:12:23,691 stabbed her in the heart, and slashed her throat. 208 00:12:23,774 --> 00:12:26,816 Police say she was probably sexually attacked as well. 209 00:12:26,899 --> 00:12:29,357 She was found just after 10:00 by two youths, 210 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,023 who called a neighbor to the scene. 211 00:12:31,107 --> 00:12:33,565 I got there and went to reach down 212 00:12:33,649 --> 00:12:39,732 to check her carotid pulse, and her throat was slit open. 213 00:12:39,816 --> 00:12:43,982 She was turning pale fast and... 214 00:12:45,315 --> 00:12:46,732 couple pumps, you know, 215 00:12:46,816 --> 00:12:48,649 a couple more pumps from her throat, 216 00:12:48,732 --> 00:12:50,649 and she was dead. 217 00:12:51,816 --> 00:12:53,273 I don't think, up until that point, 218 00:12:53,357 --> 00:12:55,982 I had been interested in murder at all. 219 00:12:56,065 --> 00:12:57,649 I was just very gripped by this story 220 00:12:57,732 --> 00:13:00,065 and very shocked by it and very, um, obsessed 221 00:13:00,148 --> 00:13:02,982 with kind of the blankness of this person's face. 222 00:13:03,065 --> 00:13:05,190 That we didn't know who may be, like, 223 00:13:05,273 --> 00:13:07,357 slinking by us covered in blood. 224 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,899 I mean, it just seemed so unbelievable to me 225 00:13:09,982 --> 00:13:13,774 that someone among us was a cold-blooded killer 226 00:13:13,857 --> 00:13:15,774 who had cut this woman's throat. 227 00:13:15,857 --> 00:13:18,816 Today, police scoured the alley where the murder took place 228 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,607 and found the blade of the kitchen knife 229 00:13:20,691 --> 00:13:22,607 they think was used to kill the young woman. 230 00:13:22,691 --> 00:13:24,440 They're still searching for the handle, 231 00:13:24,524 --> 00:13:25,565 which was broken off. 232 00:13:25,649 --> 00:13:27,232 What happened to her is wrong. 233 00:13:27,315 --> 00:13:29,482 It could happen to you or me or anyone. 234 00:13:31,857 --> 00:13:34,273 I remember walking to the place 235 00:13:34,357 --> 00:13:36,399 where I knew she had been killed and... 236 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:39,774 um, finding kinda these shattered pieces of Walkman 237 00:13:39,857 --> 00:13:42,941 that were still there and kinda picking them up. 238 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,023 I didn't go as far as to talk to, 239 00:13:45,107 --> 00:13:46,482 you know, the police or anything like that, 240 00:13:46,565 --> 00:13:48,148 but I was definitely very curious 241 00:13:48,232 --> 00:13:51,065 about the different elements of the crime 242 00:13:51,148 --> 00:13:54,273 and how it had happened and who this guy could be. 243 00:13:54,941 --> 00:13:56,565 Was he someone we knew? 244 00:13:58,232 --> 00:14:00,273 Everyone moved on, and I couldn't. 245 00:14:02,899 --> 00:14:05,357 - From, like, '75 to '84... - Yeah. 246 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,816 ...there were so many serial offenders 247 00:14:07,899 --> 00:14:09,440 operating at the same time. It blows my mind. 248 00:14:09,524 --> 00:14:11,482 - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know why that was, 249 00:14:11,565 --> 00:14:14,273 - but there was a ton of that. - I don't either. 250 00:14:14,357 --> 00:14:18,357 The East Area Rapist was not the most active. 251 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,524 He was the most violent, from what we knew. 252 00:14:22,607 --> 00:14:26,232 He would break into the homes while they were sleeping. 253 00:14:29,273 --> 00:14:32,941 The sex was not... his thing. 254 00:14:34,607 --> 00:14:37,899 The terror that he put in 'em was the thing. 255 00:14:40,982 --> 00:14:42,607 Now, one of the big questions 256 00:14:42,691 --> 00:14:44,649 that was asked here last night, 257 00:14:44,732 --> 00:14:47,023 "If we have a gun, could we shoot him?" 258 00:14:47,107 --> 00:14:48,982 Knowing what I know about this man, 259 00:14:49,065 --> 00:14:51,857 if I had a gun, I definitely would shoot him. 260 00:14:51,941 --> 00:14:53,357 And I would not shoot to injure. 261 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,732 I would shoot to take care of him. 262 00:14:55,816 --> 00:14:57,857 There are two things known about the rapist 263 00:14:57,941 --> 00:15:00,232 currently terrorizing Sacramento. 264 00:15:00,315 --> 00:15:02,649 One is he has never been caught in a home 265 00:15:02,732 --> 00:15:04,524 where there was a man present. 266 00:15:04,607 --> 00:15:07,899 The other is he's never been in a home 267 00:15:07,982 --> 00:15:10,190 where there has been a big dog. 268 00:15:11,816 --> 00:15:15,232 '77 became a time where the East Area Rapist 269 00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:17,982 - began attacking couples. - And why do you think 270 00:15:18,065 --> 00:15:20,857 he did... he started to do couples? 271 00:15:20,941 --> 00:15:24,023 I really do think it was because of the news media. 272 00:15:24,107 --> 00:15:25,065 Yeah. 273 00:15:25,148 --> 00:15:28,565 The first 15 rapes in the Sacramento area 274 00:15:28,649 --> 00:15:30,565 were lone women. 275 00:15:30,649 --> 00:15:33,565 The newspaper printed that he'd never hit a place 276 00:15:33,649 --> 00:15:35,315 with a man in the house. 277 00:15:35,941 --> 00:15:37,899 And after that... 278 00:15:37,982 --> 00:15:39,691 there was a man in the house. 279 00:15:39,774 --> 00:15:41,732 - So he was aware of that? - Yeah. 280 00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:43,982 And... and that would go to the game playing part of it? 281 00:15:44,065 --> 00:15:45,482 Yeah. Yeah. 282 00:15:45,565 --> 00:15:48,899 Absolutely, he was watching the media with everything. 283 00:15:48,982 --> 00:15:51,941 And as soon as the newspaper would say, "This didn't happen," 284 00:15:52,023 --> 00:15:53,148 it would happen. 285 00:15:53,232 --> 00:15:55,691 Everything became a challenge to him. 286 00:15:56,857 --> 00:15:59,148 I didn't have a lot of exposure 287 00:15:59,232 --> 00:16:01,691 to what was happening, um... 288 00:16:02,482 --> 00:16:04,107 I didn't see the newspaper. 289 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:07,232 I don't remember hearing it on the news. 290 00:16:07,315 --> 00:16:09,440 In the weeks leading up to the attack, 291 00:16:09,524 --> 00:16:12,732 we had... hang-up calls. 292 00:16:12,816 --> 00:16:15,273 I believe three, four a day. 293 00:16:15,357 --> 00:16:16,941 We would have them. 294 00:16:17,023 --> 00:16:18,190 Um... 295 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,607 but it didn't... 296 00:16:21,691 --> 00:16:25,565 it didn't register to me. I was 15. 297 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,482 Maybe it was a boy that liked me. 298 00:16:28,565 --> 00:16:30,148 You know, I didn't... 299 00:16:30,232 --> 00:16:33,107 I really didn't have any... 300 00:16:33,774 --> 00:16:35,107 I'll say it this way. 301 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,273 I didn't have any reason to be fearful 302 00:16:37,357 --> 00:16:39,357 because I lived in a safe world. 303 00:16:41,065 --> 00:16:43,107 Residents of the East Area 304 00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:45,565 are locking themselves inside their houses 305 00:16:45,649 --> 00:16:46,982 as never before. 306 00:16:47,065 --> 00:16:49,482 Locks have sold so quickly in the community, 307 00:16:49,565 --> 00:16:53,107 stores have had trouble keeping up with the demand. 308 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:55,148 I wasn't scared at the time. 309 00:16:55,232 --> 00:16:57,565 I didn't know about a lot of it going on. 310 00:16:57,649 --> 00:16:59,190 I wasn't reading the paper. 311 00:16:59,273 --> 00:17:01,315 Um, yes, it was in the news. 312 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:04,065 The one indication we got was... 313 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:05,982 my husband and I came home, 314 00:17:06,065 --> 00:17:07,440 and the kids in the neighborhood 315 00:17:07,524 --> 00:17:09,065 come running up to us and they said, 316 00:17:09,148 --> 00:17:11,941 "We're playing this game and I was on somebody's back 317 00:17:12,023 --> 00:17:15,065 and we saw a man run out of your yard." 318 00:17:15,148 --> 00:17:16,482 We were like, "What?" 319 00:17:17,774 --> 00:17:20,691 So we went, we got deadbolts, where you put the key in 320 00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:23,482 for the front door and the garage door. 321 00:17:23,565 --> 00:17:25,357 We put this nail at the top 322 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,816 so you could lock the slider and it can't go. 323 00:17:28,899 --> 00:17:31,232 And he had cased the place, 324 00:17:31,315 --> 00:17:34,607 he knew to lift the glass up out of the back window. 325 00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:42,982 It was a Friday night, 326 00:17:43,065 --> 00:17:47,232 it was probably after 1:00, closer to 2:00. 327 00:17:51,107 --> 00:17:53,190 Door opens, flashlight. 328 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:55,857 Mumbling. 329 00:17:56,774 --> 00:17:58,524 "I have a gun." 330 00:17:58,607 --> 00:18:00,565 And I'm still thinking... 331 00:18:00,649 --> 00:18:03,315 "Am I dreaming? Am I... Is this really happening?" 332 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:10,148 And before I knew it, he threw some ties at me 333 00:18:10,232 --> 00:18:12,732 and he says, "Tie your husband up." 334 00:18:12,816 --> 00:18:16,107 And so, he asked him to flip over onto his stomach 335 00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:19,982 and hogtied him and I did, and I didn't tie him tight. 336 00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:23,232 And then he tied me behind my back, 337 00:18:23,315 --> 00:18:26,273 on my stomach, and my ankles hogtied, 338 00:18:26,357 --> 00:18:28,774 and I remember turning my jewelry around, 339 00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:31,357 I'm thinkin' it's gonna be a robbery. 340 00:18:32,941 --> 00:18:37,023 And so, then he re-tied my husband twice as tight. 341 00:18:37,107 --> 00:18:38,732 And then he leaves the room. 342 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,941 We're kind of whispering to each other, 343 00:18:42,023 --> 00:18:44,315 we're like, "What's going on?" 344 00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:46,649 He had a ski mask on the whole time. 345 00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,148 He's just walkin' around the house like he owns it. 346 00:18:51,232 --> 00:18:53,857 I could hear him open the refrigerator. 347 00:18:53,941 --> 00:18:56,691 He gets a beer, and he's drinkin' a beer. 348 00:18:58,607 --> 00:19:00,023 He grabbed dishes. 349 00:19:00,107 --> 00:19:02,023 He grabbed plates and bowls 350 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:04,273 and he put them on my husband's back. 351 00:19:04,357 --> 00:19:07,190 And he told him if he heard those bowls moving, 352 00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:09,482 he was gonna cut his ear off. 353 00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:19,148 He put a blindfold over me and he said, "Follow me." 354 00:19:19,232 --> 00:19:21,232 I'm going down the hallway, 355 00:19:21,315 --> 00:19:23,232 and I remember staying close to the side, 356 00:19:23,315 --> 00:19:26,065 I'm thinking, "I don't want him to see my body." 357 00:19:26,148 --> 00:19:29,273 And I went, "My God, I'm gonna be raped." 358 00:19:32,816 --> 00:19:34,857 He took me into the family room, 359 00:19:34,941 --> 00:19:37,440 and he tells me to lay on the floor. 360 00:19:38,732 --> 00:19:41,816 He goes into the guest bedroom and he got a towel 361 00:19:41,899 --> 00:19:44,649 and he rips it in half and he puts it over the TV, 362 00:19:44,732 --> 00:19:47,774 but then he puts the TV on so that there's light coming in, 363 00:19:47,857 --> 00:19:49,148 but not too much. 364 00:19:55,399 --> 00:19:57,524 As he was raping me, I had a knife to my throat, 365 00:19:57,607 --> 00:19:59,399 pushed up against my neck. 366 00:19:59,482 --> 00:20:01,982 And I just kept saying, "Please don't hurt me. 367 00:20:02,065 --> 00:20:03,232 Please don't hurt me." 368 00:20:03,315 --> 00:20:04,524 And I didn't hardly move, 369 00:20:04,607 --> 00:20:07,440 I was like, I'm going to stay as still as possible. 370 00:20:10,732 --> 00:20:12,732 He was in the house for a while. 371 00:20:12,816 --> 00:20:14,607 He drank another beer. 372 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,524 I... I could smell that. 373 00:20:16,607 --> 00:20:18,691 He asked for where my wallet was. 374 00:20:18,774 --> 00:20:21,691 He was going through, taking things out. 375 00:20:21,774 --> 00:20:24,107 He came back and he says, "Take off your jewelry," 376 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,816 and I couldn't get it off my hand. 377 00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,315 And he says, "I'll cut your finger off, 378 00:20:28,399 --> 00:20:30,190 I don't care. I want your jewelry." 379 00:20:30,273 --> 00:20:32,941 And so I said, "Get some lotion or get some soap." 380 00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:35,190 So he went and got me some lotion, 381 00:20:35,273 --> 00:20:39,982 and I took off my wedding band and my engagement ring. 382 00:20:40,065 --> 00:20:42,649 And I remember being cold on the floor. 383 00:20:48,565 --> 00:20:51,190 Finally, it seemed quiet. 384 00:20:51,273 --> 00:20:55,273 So I got up and I'm still tied, and I go into the bedroom 385 00:20:55,357 --> 00:20:58,482 and I talk to my husband and I ask him how he's doing 386 00:20:58,565 --> 00:21:00,732 and he's like, "You've just got to get help. 387 00:21:00,816 --> 00:21:03,065 I... I can't feel my hands. They're totally numb. 388 00:21:03,148 --> 00:21:05,732 I have no circulation." 389 00:21:05,816 --> 00:21:08,732 And I'm thinking, "How do I get out of this house?" 390 00:21:08,816 --> 00:21:12,107 So I go into the kitchen and I'm trying to get the... 391 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:14,440 the restraints off me, and I'm trying to cut 'em 392 00:21:14,524 --> 00:21:16,273 and I'm trying to saw 'em, and it... 393 00:21:16,357 --> 00:21:17,899 and I... and I'm also thinking, 394 00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:20,232 "God, is he gonna come back in the house? 395 00:21:20,315 --> 00:21:22,649 Is he really gone or is he hiding?" 396 00:21:22,732 --> 00:21:27,023 So, all of a sudden, the family room drapes moved. 397 00:21:28,273 --> 00:21:29,857 A breeze came in. 398 00:21:30,524 --> 00:21:32,440 So I ran over 399 00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,524 and I put my shoulder and I moved the sliding door. 400 00:21:35,607 --> 00:21:39,691 And I went along the concrete up to the front gate, 401 00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:41,816 I moved the gate. 402 00:21:41,899 --> 00:21:44,065 I'm totally naked from the waist down. 403 00:21:44,148 --> 00:21:46,148 I... Just my breasts are being covered. 404 00:21:46,232 --> 00:21:47,857 And I went to a neighbor's house. 405 00:21:50,732 --> 00:21:52,565 And I ring the doorbell. 406 00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,107 They're looking at me and the husband comes down 407 00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:00,357 and he sees that I'm, you know, naked, 408 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,607 and he grabs his wife's jacket, puts it on me, 409 00:22:03,691 --> 00:22:05,399 and I said, "I've just been raped. 410 00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:07,023 And my husband's tied up." 411 00:22:09,065 --> 00:22:10,148 He got a gun, 412 00:22:10,232 --> 00:22:12,565 he told his wife to call the police, 413 00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:13,941 "Stay here." 414 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:17,732 And then I waited for the police to come. 415 00:22:17,816 --> 00:22:21,649 And they came, they took me back to the house. 416 00:22:21,732 --> 00:22:24,065 Carol Daly was a female detective 417 00:22:24,148 --> 00:22:27,440 who I was so grateful that she was there at that time. 418 00:22:27,524 --> 00:22:29,148 Everybody else was men, 419 00:22:29,232 --> 00:22:30,982 and she was the only woman in the group. 420 00:22:31,065 --> 00:22:33,107 And that was... that was a nice feeling. 421 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:34,816 We have information that he... 422 00:22:34,899 --> 00:22:36,774 She got me to the hospital. 423 00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:38,649 And she said, "You're okay, honey." 424 00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:40,273 She said, "I think you're in shock." 425 00:22:40,357 --> 00:22:41,982 So she's kind of, like, being a mother to me. 426 00:22:42,065 --> 00:22:44,107 She says, "You take as much time," 427 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,357 and we talked about it. Went back home. 428 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,524 Basically, I went in and I said to my husband, 429 00:22:49,607 --> 00:22:50,899 "Do you wanna... do you wanna hear... 430 00:22:50,982 --> 00:22:53,357 know what happened?" He goes, "I know what happened." 431 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,232 And he said, "I don't want to talk about it." 432 00:22:55,315 --> 00:22:57,273 He said, "I got rid of your pajamas 433 00:22:57,357 --> 00:22:59,524 and you don't have to see those anymore." 434 00:22:59,607 --> 00:23:00,941 And I said, "Okay." 435 00:23:02,273 --> 00:23:05,399 I don't think a lot of men knew how to deal with it, 436 00:23:05,482 --> 00:23:07,273 to be honest. 437 00:23:07,357 --> 00:23:09,524 I don't think... I don't... 438 00:23:09,607 --> 00:23:12,649 I know that he cared and he felt terrible, 439 00:23:12,732 --> 00:23:15,857 but I don't think he wanted to relive it either. 440 00:23:15,941 --> 00:23:17,899 He's basically, "We don't talk about it. 441 00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,440 It's gone away." 442 00:23:21,315 --> 00:23:24,232 I think this kind of crime was just... 443 00:23:24,315 --> 00:23:26,107 very ripe for the '70s 444 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:28,899 because there's, um... 445 00:23:28,982 --> 00:23:30,899 How many people did not call the police 446 00:23:30,982 --> 00:23:32,816 who saw something suspicious is crazy. 447 00:23:32,899 --> 00:23:34,899 And that would not happen today. 448 00:23:34,982 --> 00:23:36,732 Had you had anybody... 449 00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,565 any neighbors mention anybody weird 450 00:23:38,649 --> 00:23:40,232 around the neighborhood or anything like that? 451 00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,273 - Do you remember? - No. 452 00:23:42,357 --> 00:23:44,399 We were very aware of it. 453 00:23:44,482 --> 00:23:47,482 But it was in East Sacramento. 454 00:23:47,565 --> 00:23:51,774 So we were sympathetic to... but not alarmed 455 00:23:51,857 --> 00:23:54,440 because we're not his side of town. 456 00:23:54,524 --> 00:23:57,691 You know he picked us partly for the location of the house. 457 00:23:57,774 --> 00:23:59,982 Right by the freeway, 458 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,607 - empty lot behind us. - Empty field, right. 459 00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:03,816 All of that. 460 00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:08,065 And of course, they asked us about strange cars... 461 00:24:08,148 --> 00:24:10,565 I mean, so when... when... Did you have... 462 00:24:10,649 --> 00:24:13,482 did you feel in your heart when this is happening 463 00:24:13,565 --> 00:24:14,816 this was a stranger? 464 00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:17,190 That this was not someone that you knew? 465 00:24:17,273 --> 00:24:19,065 - Yeah. - You did? 466 00:24:19,148 --> 00:24:20,941 You thought, "This is the East Area Rapist." 467 00:24:21,023 --> 00:24:22,732 - Which makes me... Yeah. - Yeah. 468 00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:26,273 I knew it was the guy then. 469 00:24:26,357 --> 00:24:30,190 I mean, by that time, this was attack 22. 470 00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:36,607 My husband and I, we were in our bedroom. 471 00:24:36,691 --> 00:24:39,607 We were starting to fool around, 472 00:24:39,691 --> 00:24:42,816 - we hear a scratching. - Right. 473 00:24:44,565 --> 00:24:47,816 The EAR was a man of few words, 474 00:24:47,899 --> 00:24:51,982 and mostly the same, as I would come to read, 475 00:24:52,065 --> 00:24:53,273 over time. 476 00:24:53,357 --> 00:24:55,565 He did indeed have a script. 477 00:24:56,857 --> 00:25:01,565 What he said to us and mostly routinely was, 478 00:25:01,649 --> 00:25:04,941 "I just want money and food, and then I'll be gone." 479 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,524 My son was three years old. 480 00:25:15,607 --> 00:25:21,273 He woke up as I was being blindfold-led down the hall. 481 00:25:22,941 --> 00:25:26,273 EAR told him to get back in his room. 482 00:25:29,941 --> 00:25:33,607 When he took me into the living room for the assault, 483 00:25:33,691 --> 00:25:35,899 I remember saying to him, 484 00:25:35,982 --> 00:25:38,023 "Why are you doing this?" 485 00:25:38,107 --> 00:25:39,982 And he said, "Shut up." 486 00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:43,524 And I said, "I'm sorry." 487 00:25:43,607 --> 00:25:45,440 This is... 488 00:25:45,524 --> 00:25:48,524 This is how women were in the '70s and the olden times. 489 00:25:48,607 --> 00:25:51,524 I said, "I'm sorry." And he said, "Shut up," again. 490 00:25:51,607 --> 00:25:54,607 And that was the longest conversation I had with him, 491 00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:59,649 except at the end when he gave me the instructions about 492 00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:03,482 you know, tell the pigs I have television. 493 00:26:03,565 --> 00:26:05,607 Wow. God. 494 00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:10,732 He didn't want it to be on TV 495 00:26:10,816 --> 00:26:13,816 and if it was on TV, he'd kill two people, 496 00:26:13,899 --> 00:26:16,399 but then I believe he told my husband 497 00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:18,023 it had to be on TV. 498 00:26:18,107 --> 00:26:24,065 He was constantly playing these silly games with people. 499 00:26:24,148 --> 00:26:29,691 He had told the victims of the attack just before us 500 00:26:29,774 --> 00:26:32,399 that he was going to kill the next two people, 501 00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:34,649 which would have been us. 502 00:26:37,816 --> 00:26:40,899 Sometime after the attack, my husband managed 503 00:26:40,982 --> 00:26:43,816 to get our phone re-connected in the bedroom, 504 00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:46,524 that was on the nightstand, and he called... 505 00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:48,649 in those days, you still called the operator. 506 00:26:53,482 --> 00:26:57,565 Of course, uniformed officers came first. 507 00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:59,315 When I could see again, 508 00:26:59,399 --> 00:27:02,440 when the uniformed officer took off... 509 00:27:02,524 --> 00:27:06,107 one of the first things I saw was that on my formal couch, 510 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:10,691 the EAR had laid out three or four of my dresses. 511 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,107 And I do mean laid out. 512 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:15,816 Not vandalized or thrown about. 513 00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:17,607 They were just laying there. 514 00:27:17,691 --> 00:27:21,232 And I remember very vividly because I was so surprised, 515 00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:23,857 I was not expecting to see that. 516 00:27:25,524 --> 00:27:26,941 I said to the officer, 517 00:27:27,023 --> 00:27:30,232 "The East Area Rapist is now the South Area Rapist." 518 00:27:33,941 --> 00:27:35,982 The worst thing is not knowing. 519 00:27:36,065 --> 00:27:38,732 Not knowing when the rapist will strike again. 520 00:27:38,816 --> 00:27:41,190 Not knowing if you'll be his next victim. 521 00:27:41,273 --> 00:27:44,107 All you can do is take every possible precaution 522 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:46,190 and then hope that he gets caught 523 00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:47,649 before he gets to you. 524 00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:50,982 I'm sleeping with my husband's hunting knife under the pillow. 525 00:27:51,065 --> 00:27:53,190 We don't go to sleep very well at night. 526 00:27:53,273 --> 00:27:54,774 We go around and lock everything up 527 00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:56,315 as tightly as we can. 528 00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,691 As of tonight, the East Area Rapist 529 00:27:58,774 --> 00:28:01,315 has struck on the average once every two weeks, 530 00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:03,816 sometimes every two days, sometimes a week apart, 531 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:05,816 sometimes three or four weeks apart. 532 00:28:05,899 --> 00:28:08,065 Everybody in Sacramento was terrified. 533 00:28:08,148 --> 00:28:10,482 Each night, they patrol the neighborhoods 534 00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:12,816 of Sacramento County's east side, 535 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,607 and hundreds of other volunteers reportedly are doing the same. 536 00:28:16,691 --> 00:28:19,357 They call themselves the EARS Patrol. 537 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,607 "EARS," short for East Area Rapist Surveillance. 538 00:28:22,691 --> 00:28:24,607 People complain that after all this time, 539 00:28:24,691 --> 00:28:27,357 the police should've been able to catch the East Area Rapist. 540 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,482 I think that the reason 541 00:28:28,565 --> 00:28:30,190 there hasn't been something done about it 542 00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,399 is because it's a crime against women. 543 00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:36,607 We had officers off duty on their own time 544 00:28:36,691 --> 00:28:38,857 going out and working the streets. 545 00:28:38,941 --> 00:28:42,232 It's the first time the so-called East Area Rapist has struck here 546 00:28:42,315 --> 00:28:44,732 in the Foothill Farms area of Sacramento. 547 00:28:44,816 --> 00:28:48,232 25. 548 00:28:48,315 --> 00:28:50,440 Local burglar alarm distributors 549 00:28:50,524 --> 00:28:52,399 report a run on alarm systems. 550 00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:54,315 I don't like it. It's getting too close to home. 551 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,524 We were giving safety classes for women, 552 00:28:56,607 --> 00:28:58,399 how to protect themselves, what to look for. 553 00:28:58,482 --> 00:29:00,399 It was about 10:00 last night 554 00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:02,357 when the rapist kicked in the door. 555 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,691 She becomes the eighth teenager 556 00:29:03,774 --> 00:29:05,857 on the list of some 33 victims. 557 00:29:05,941 --> 00:29:08,190 The 39th attack of the East Area Rapist 558 00:29:08,273 --> 00:29:10,941 took place in this very nice middle-class neighborhood. 559 00:29:11,023 --> 00:29:12,899 There were days where I didn't go to sleep 560 00:29:12,982 --> 00:29:14,232 until the sun rose. 561 00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:16,565 We had tambourines on the windows and doors 562 00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:18,732 so we could hear people enter. 563 00:29:18,816 --> 00:29:20,732 Ideally speaking, the potential victim 564 00:29:20,816 --> 00:29:24,232 is supposed to ward off her attacker with this device. 565 00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:28,190 It just was an insane time in Sacramento. 566 00:29:28,273 --> 00:29:29,565 The attacks, two of them, 567 00:29:29,649 --> 00:29:31,857 one last Saturday, and then again early today, 568 00:29:31,941 --> 00:29:33,565 occurred within a few blocks of each other 569 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:35,148 in the Ignacio Valley area of Concord. 570 00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:37,232 --REPORTER 1: ...happening in Fremont... 571 00:29:37,315 --> 00:29:39,148 ...in Modesto... -REPORTER 3: ...her home in Contra Costa County. 572 00:29:39,232 --> 00:29:41,440 The only thing we really know about the East Area Rapist 573 00:29:41,524 --> 00:29:42,774 is that he's a pro. 574 00:29:42,857 --> 00:29:45,273 He's been at this for four years now 575 00:29:45,357 --> 00:29:48,732 and still nobody even knows what he looks like. 576 00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,524 Alice? 577 00:30:01,691 --> 00:30:04,190 Alice, will you do an imitation of Daddy? 578 00:30:09,023 --> 00:30:11,065 I have a nightly ritual with Alice, 579 00:30:11,148 --> 00:30:13,565 who is a troubled sleeper. 580 00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:19,315 Every night before falling asleep, 581 00:30:19,399 --> 00:30:21,816 she'll call out for me to come into her bedroom. 582 00:30:21,899 --> 00:30:24,691 "I don't want to have a dream," she says. 583 00:30:24,774 --> 00:30:28,565 I brush her sandy hair back and put my hand on her forehead, 584 00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:31,732 and look straight into her big brown eyes. 585 00:30:31,816 --> 00:30:34,107 "You are not going to have a dream," 586 00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:37,607 I tell her with crisp, confident enunciation. 587 00:30:37,691 --> 00:30:41,565 Her body releases its tension, and she goes to sleep. 588 00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:52,607 We make well-intentioned promises of protection 589 00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:53,982 we can't always keep. 590 00:30:54,065 --> 00:30:56,857 - "I'll look out for you." - No! 591 00:30:56,941 --> 00:30:58,607 But then you hear a scream, 592 00:30:58,691 --> 00:31:01,357 and you decide it's some teenagers playing around. 593 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,107 A young man jumping a fence is taking a shortcut. 594 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,524 The gunshot at 3:00 a.m. 595 00:31:06,607 --> 00:31:09,565 is a firecracker or a car backfiring. 596 00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:12,190 You sit up in bed for a startled moment. 597 00:31:12,273 --> 00:31:15,065 Awaiting you is the cold hard floor 598 00:31:15,148 --> 00:31:18,023 and a conversation that may lead nowhere. 599 00:31:18,107 --> 00:31:20,857 You collapse onto your warm pillow 600 00:31:20,941 --> 00:31:22,774 and turn back to sleep. 601 00:31:23,565 --> 00:31:25,607 Sirens wake you later. 602 00:31:32,649 --> 00:31:34,023 We always joke that... 603 00:31:34,107 --> 00:31:37,440 - we must've both been blind. - We're still blind. 604 00:31:37,524 --> 00:31:39,816 'Cause we've been together 40 plus years. 605 00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:41,857 It was a blind date. 606 00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,524 And then, just... 607 00:31:44,607 --> 00:31:47,315 After that, we were pretty inseparable? 608 00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:48,440 Yeah. 609 00:31:48,816 --> 00:31:50,607 Yeah. 610 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:55,315 We purchased, a house together in Stockton. 611 00:31:56,565 --> 00:31:58,899 That was... that was the bad house though. 612 00:31:58,982 --> 00:32:01,107 Yeah, I cried the day we bought that house, 613 00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:04,607 and I think that was foretelling, actually. 614 00:32:04,691 --> 00:32:07,565 Anyway, we could have stayed there very happily. 615 00:32:07,649 --> 00:32:09,899 It was in a cute little neighborhood, 616 00:32:09,982 --> 00:32:13,565 um, the house was big enough to have a small family, 617 00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:16,440 but as, you know, things would work out, 618 00:32:16,524 --> 00:32:18,107 we couldn't stay there. 619 00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:33,691 We were awakened by a voice and a bright light. 620 00:32:35,691 --> 00:32:40,732 That's pretty typical of... of what happened, 621 00:32:40,816 --> 00:32:43,190 and that's what happened to us as well. 622 00:32:44,857 --> 00:32:49,190 It was a real sense of... of evil in the house. 623 00:32:51,857 --> 00:32:56,524 I sensed... every hair follicle on my being 624 00:32:56,607 --> 00:32:58,023 stand up... 625 00:33:00,899 --> 00:33:05,148 and I understood what it meant to have your skin crawl. 626 00:33:09,357 --> 00:33:11,816 The more uncomfortable he could make me feel, 627 00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:14,065 seemed to be the happier he was. 628 00:33:16,899 --> 00:33:19,107 And he said I was beautiful, 629 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:21,524 bound and blindfolded and... 630 00:33:22,482 --> 00:33:23,565 shaking. 631 00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:26,899 At times, I couldn't tell if he was crying 632 00:33:27,524 --> 00:33:29,982 or if he was giggling 633 00:33:30,065 --> 00:33:33,399 like someone who's hysterical might be. 634 00:33:36,774 --> 00:33:38,524 He would get silent 635 00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:41,565 and I would hope, 636 00:33:42,357 --> 00:33:43,857 "Okay, maybe he's gone." 637 00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:48,607 And... then I'd hear him again. 638 00:33:49,816 --> 00:33:51,315 I had no concept of time. 639 00:33:51,399 --> 00:33:55,982 It just seemed like I was in bed bound for an eternity. 640 00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:59,357 I had no idea if it was two hours or ten hours. 641 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,857 It went on for a couple hours of coming and going, 642 00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,524 and, you know, coming back 643 00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,440 and, you know, torturing me some more. 644 00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:12,941 Eventually, after about 40 minutes 645 00:34:13,023 --> 00:34:14,941 of not hearing anything, 646 00:34:17,941 --> 00:34:18,982 he was gone. 647 00:34:23,232 --> 00:34:25,691 And then it was, well, this, you know, 648 00:34:25,774 --> 00:34:27,440 this is not over yet. 649 00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:29,899 And... 650 00:34:29,982 --> 00:34:32,107 that started phase two... 651 00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,023 ...of, you know, what goes on after an attack. 652 00:34:46,107 --> 00:34:49,524 There you are, um... 653 00:34:50,774 --> 00:34:54,023 bound, incapacitated, 654 00:34:55,148 --> 00:34:56,565 in shock. 655 00:34:58,315 --> 00:35:02,482 And now there are four more men in the room that you don't know. 656 00:35:03,899 --> 00:35:06,232 To have somebody else sit down next to you 657 00:35:06,315 --> 00:35:08,857 while you're still unclothed 658 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,899 and, you know, take out a knife and... 659 00:35:12,732 --> 00:35:14,941 have to cut the bindings off 660 00:35:15,023 --> 00:35:18,565 was, um... scary, too. 661 00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:20,023 It was scary, too. 662 00:35:21,691 --> 00:35:24,190 We were very quickly inundated 663 00:35:24,273 --> 00:35:27,941 with, crime scene investigators 664 00:35:28,023 --> 00:35:31,065 and more police officers 665 00:35:31,148 --> 00:35:34,899 and, fingerprint technicians. 666 00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:39,691 We were just, um, a piece of evidence in our own home. 667 00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:45,273 I wasn't allowed to, use the restroom. 668 00:35:45,357 --> 00:35:49,023 And... I remember getting up to reach for my robe 669 00:35:49,107 --> 00:35:53,148 and being, you know, stopped... "What are you doing?" you know, 670 00:35:53,232 --> 00:35:55,482 "Where do you think... where do you think you're going?" 671 00:35:55,565 --> 00:35:58,732 And it's, like, I just want to cover up myself. 672 00:35:59,565 --> 00:36:00,899 As time went on, 673 00:36:00,982 --> 00:36:03,273 they didn't have anyone to take me to the hospital. 674 00:36:03,357 --> 00:36:05,482 I think the protocol was that they would have 675 00:36:05,565 --> 00:36:07,941 a female officer, but they didn't have any. 676 00:36:08,023 --> 00:36:10,482 I blocked all that out years ago. 677 00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:14,107 I don't remember it like her, but... 678 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,023 my defense mechanisms are block everything out. 679 00:36:20,065 --> 00:36:24,315 That whole aftermath goes on and... 680 00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:26,941 you end up in a county hospital 681 00:36:27,023 --> 00:36:31,232 where, again, you have to meet with strangers 682 00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:35,857 who are going to examine and probe and, you know, 683 00:36:35,941 --> 00:36:38,816 you just really would like to be alone. 684 00:36:38,899 --> 00:36:43,107 You'd really like to take charge of your being again, 685 00:36:43,941 --> 00:36:45,232 but you can't. 686 00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:50,440 And you know that you really mustn't 687 00:36:50,524 --> 00:36:54,982 if you want the person to be caught. 688 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,607 Daylight finally came 689 00:36:59,691 --> 00:37:02,273 about the time I was taken back to the house. 690 00:37:04,607 --> 00:37:06,440 And they were wrapping up there. 691 00:37:08,232 --> 00:37:09,440 Our house was... 692 00:37:10,565 --> 00:37:12,482 - A wreck. - ...a wreck. 693 00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:17,023 We had just had it painted that week. 694 00:37:17,107 --> 00:37:19,148 All of the newly enameled woodwork 695 00:37:19,232 --> 00:37:23,023 was covered with graphite fingerprinting material. 696 00:37:26,148 --> 00:37:29,482 It looked a lot like a smoke bomb had gone off. 697 00:37:33,023 --> 00:37:34,440 It was... it was just... 698 00:37:34,524 --> 00:37:37,357 Everything felt contaminated in that house. 699 00:37:38,482 --> 00:37:40,315 And it never felt the same. 700 00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:58,232 Right as we get up here, you can look over to the right 701 00:37:58,315 --> 00:38:00,065 and you'll see the American River. 702 00:38:00,148 --> 00:38:02,273 This was a main thoroughfare at the time. 703 00:38:02,357 --> 00:38:03,774 And I'll take you to number two. 704 00:38:03,857 --> 00:38:05,607 But this is where people run and do biking? 705 00:38:05,691 --> 00:38:07,732 This is where... the bicycle trails and all that, 706 00:38:07,816 --> 00:38:10,107 this green belt would be where he was going 707 00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,774 from one point to one point. 708 00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:13,607 We often thought he could've had a boat 709 00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:15,399 that he was taking to and from. 710 00:38:15,482 --> 00:38:17,232 What I'm struck by in Rancho Cordova is 711 00:38:17,315 --> 00:38:20,482 I would think that he had to do so much surveillance. 712 00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:22,565 - He did a lot. - But... But it... you... 713 00:38:22,649 --> 00:38:24,232 He fit in, obviously. 714 00:38:24,315 --> 00:38:25,482 Yeah. 715 00:38:27,691 --> 00:38:29,440 I really feel this area was chosen 716 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,273 because he was comfortable in here 717 00:38:31,357 --> 00:38:34,774 and he, you know, knew the area well enough 718 00:38:34,857 --> 00:38:37,607 to get in and out as quickly as possible. 719 00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:40,732 Right around the corner, there is river access. 720 00:38:43,232 --> 00:38:46,816 Back in the '70s, the fog was way heavier 721 00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:49,190 than it is now and it was so thick 722 00:38:49,273 --> 00:38:51,607 that you couldn't see feet in front of you. 723 00:38:52,774 --> 00:38:55,399 The way he disappeared so quickly 724 00:38:55,482 --> 00:38:59,357 with nobody having the ability to track him. 725 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,899 Fog was a benefit to his escape as well. 726 00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:12,399 And it's a great place to stalk 727 00:39:12,482 --> 00:39:15,190 because you have access to all of the backyards 728 00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:17,982 where you could just walk right up to the fence 729 00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:19,440 and look over it like this 730 00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,899 and you can see everything that's going on in that house. 731 00:39:22,982 --> 00:39:26,774 A lot of these houses didn't have back fences at the time. 732 00:39:26,857 --> 00:39:29,816 You could be standing out in these bushes and be watching 733 00:39:29,899 --> 00:39:34,065 everything that's going on inside of people's homes. 734 00:39:34,148 --> 00:39:37,607 And in the evening, nobody's gonna notice you out here. 735 00:39:37,691 --> 00:39:40,107 Like, you know, back in the day, 736 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:41,357 nobody would even think about 737 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,190 somebody being prowling around behind the scenes. 738 00:39:45,273 --> 00:39:51,023 I feel like he was in this area for great amounts of time. 739 00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,691 And probably knew all the young females 740 00:39:53,774 --> 00:39:55,565 that resided in each house. 741 00:39:56,565 --> 00:39:58,941 It makes you just... 742 00:40:00,941 --> 00:40:06,065 This is the type of thing you have to, um... 743 00:40:06,148 --> 00:40:08,732 really, you know, take care of yourself 744 00:40:08,816 --> 00:40:11,273 - or you'll... It'll consume you. - Right. 745 00:40:11,357 --> 00:40:14,107 'Cause this is a really dark place to go. 746 00:40:16,357 --> 00:40:18,982 This can be very dark. 747 00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,816 When my husband, trying not to awaken me, 748 00:41:01,899 --> 00:41:03,941 tiptoed into our bedroom one night, 749 00:41:04,023 --> 00:41:05,273 I leaped out of bed, 750 00:41:05,357 --> 00:41:09,357 grabbed my nightstand lamp, and swung it at his head. 751 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,357 Luckily, I missed. 752 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,857 When I saw the lamp overturned 753 00:41:12,941 --> 00:41:14,857 on the bedroom floor in the morning, 754 00:41:14,941 --> 00:41:17,941 I remember what I'd done and winced. 755 00:41:18,023 --> 00:41:20,565 Then, I resumed my Talmudic study 756 00:41:20,649 --> 00:41:23,065 of the East Area Rapist. 757 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:25,565 She would have very, very vivid dreams. 758 00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,816 So when she would... When I would wake her up, 759 00:41:27,899 --> 00:41:29,399 she'd be still half in the dream. 760 00:41:29,482 --> 00:41:32,148 Be like, "God, please, please." 761 00:41:32,232 --> 00:41:34,816 One time, she ran out of the back of the house, 762 00:41:34,899 --> 00:41:36,982 trying to get out of the house, and I'm like, 763 00:41:37,065 --> 00:41:39,565 "You are g... what is... you're gonna end up... 764 00:41:39,649 --> 00:41:41,816 you're gonna run into the pool or something like that, 765 00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:44,148 or what are you do..." You know. It was just this... 766 00:41:44,232 --> 00:41:46,691 But again, a very, very vivid, 767 00:41:46,774 --> 00:41:49,524 very, very present mind, and that was one of the... 768 00:41:49,607 --> 00:41:52,774 I guess, one of the... the costs of it. I don't know. 769 00:41:58,399 --> 00:42:01,524 This idea of the DIY detective, 770 00:42:01,607 --> 00:42:03,399 or these kind of digital sleuths, 771 00:42:03,482 --> 00:42:07,357 are essentially amateur obsessives 772 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,065 who congregate online. 773 00:42:10,148 --> 00:42:13,565 And there are anywhere from tens to hundreds 774 00:42:13,649 --> 00:42:15,023 to thousands of people 775 00:42:15,107 --> 00:42:17,691 who are essentially operating as this hive mind. 776 00:42:17,774 --> 00:42:19,399 Hey, Paul, it's Michelle. 777 00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:22,315 If you have time, I have a little research question 778 00:42:22,399 --> 00:42:26,190 that I would love answered, which is the following... 779 00:42:26,273 --> 00:42:29,524 Michelle met Paul Haynes on this message board 780 00:42:29,607 --> 00:42:32,482 and he came on to really help with the research 781 00:42:32,565 --> 00:42:34,107 for the magazine article. 782 00:42:37,107 --> 00:42:39,399 Paul and Michelle were this perfect kind of team 783 00:42:39,482 --> 00:42:44,107 because she's like the lyrics and he's the tempo. 784 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:47,107 He did incredible data mining. 785 00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:50,273 Something that was really important 786 00:42:50,357 --> 00:42:52,899 to Los Angeles Magazine, to me as an editor, to Michelle, 787 00:42:52,982 --> 00:42:54,399 and to anyone who's been tracking this case, 788 00:42:54,482 --> 00:42:56,607 is making sure that you got your facts straight. 789 00:42:56,691 --> 00:42:58,482 And we relied on Paul a lot. 790 00:42:58,565 --> 00:43:00,107 He would just go laser deep. 791 00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:01,565 And what Michelle could do 792 00:43:01,649 --> 00:43:04,482 was spin these stories in a really beautiful way. 793 00:43:06,857 --> 00:43:08,399 Just let me in. Jesus. 794 00:43:08,482 --> 00:43:09,482 What's the big deal? 795 00:43:09,565 --> 00:43:12,107 I just have no patience for stop and go traffic. 796 00:43:13,273 --> 00:43:15,232 Moving to LA was a big move for me 797 00:43:15,315 --> 00:43:17,482 after having spent the better part of a decade 798 00:43:17,565 --> 00:43:18,857 in Florida. 799 00:43:18,941 --> 00:43:23,148 But when Michelle invited me to be her research collaborator, 800 00:43:23,232 --> 00:43:24,732 it was a very exciting opportunity 801 00:43:24,816 --> 00:43:26,899 to be directly involved with this case 802 00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:28,774 and have my interest, 803 00:43:28,857 --> 00:43:31,816 which previously I'd been ashamed of 804 00:43:31,899 --> 00:43:35,148 and felt was impractical and odd, legitimized. 805 00:43:36,649 --> 00:43:38,107 I moved here in November, 806 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,440 and she invited me to spend my first Thanksgiving in L.A. 807 00:43:41,524 --> 00:43:44,023 with her and Patton and their friends and family. 808 00:43:45,232 --> 00:43:46,982 She liked to cook a lot. 809 00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:48,649 She really liked to cook. 810 00:43:48,732 --> 00:43:52,065 She was not a great cook, but she really tried. 811 00:43:52,148 --> 00:43:54,982 So much, so often. 812 00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:57,607 Um, she was... she was, like, had the heart, 813 00:43:57,691 --> 00:43:59,691 you know what I mean? Like, she had the heart. 814 00:44:01,148 --> 00:44:03,524 That Thanksgiving, I probably did everything. 815 00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:05,982 In fact, I... I know I did everything. 816 00:44:06,774 --> 00:44:08,232 She just had work to do. 817 00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:09,649 She was finishing the article, 818 00:44:09,732 --> 00:44:11,607 but she just really wanted it to be good, 819 00:44:11,691 --> 00:44:13,148 so she just went upstairs. 820 00:44:13,232 --> 00:44:15,023 Like, we had that kind of friendship, like... 821 00:44:15,107 --> 00:44:18,023 I just came in her house and I knew where everything was 822 00:44:18,107 --> 00:44:19,857 and I made dinner. 823 00:44:20,565 --> 00:44:21,941 I was in a panic. 824 00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:24,399 We were hosting Thanksgiving, and the second draft 825 00:44:24,482 --> 00:44:27,649 of my 7,000-word story was due Tuesday. 826 00:44:27,732 --> 00:44:31,941 I'd sent out SOS emails, brief and frank pleas for help 827 00:44:32,023 --> 00:44:34,273 that I hoped would be understood. 828 00:44:34,357 --> 00:44:36,273 I wasn't myself, though. 829 00:44:36,357 --> 00:44:38,649 Impatience roiled. 830 00:44:38,732 --> 00:44:40,607 I made a bigger deal than I needed to 831 00:44:40,691 --> 00:44:43,649 that Patton bought an undersized turkey. 832 00:44:43,732 --> 00:44:45,023 But we understood that about each other, 833 00:44:45,107 --> 00:44:46,482 like, "Go have your time." 834 00:44:46,565 --> 00:44:48,315 You need hours and hours and hours 835 00:44:48,399 --> 00:44:49,607 to get to the deep stuff. 836 00:44:49,691 --> 00:44:51,357 You know, when you need... when you... 837 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,482 When someone says they need five hours to write, 838 00:44:53,565 --> 00:44:56,273 they need an hour to write, but they need the other hours 839 00:44:56,357 --> 00:44:59,857 to get down to those depths to start the writing. 840 00:45:14,524 --> 00:45:16,023 When I was a kid, 841 00:45:16,107 --> 00:45:19,941 my family bought a summer place on the shore of Lake Michigan. 842 00:45:22,273 --> 00:45:25,315 The first couple of summers, I didn't really know 843 00:45:25,399 --> 00:45:28,190 any of the other kids in the area. 844 00:45:28,273 --> 00:45:31,107 So I spent a lot of time on the couch, 845 00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:33,357 on the screened-in front porch, 846 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,941 reading Agatha Christie novels. 847 00:45:37,816 --> 00:45:41,357 My interest in writing began on that porch. 848 00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:46,691 As a writer, you could lead a reader 849 00:45:46,774 --> 00:45:48,857 through the act of discovery. 850 00:45:53,565 --> 00:45:56,565 I was amazed that someone had constructed 851 00:45:56,649 --> 00:45:58,982 these intricate mysteries, 852 00:45:59,065 --> 00:46:01,565 that an actual human being, 853 00:46:01,649 --> 00:46:04,857 a woman, had plotted and twisted 854 00:46:04,941 --> 00:46:07,649 and carefully maintained curiosity 855 00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:10,857 so that you never knew who had done it 856 00:46:10,941 --> 00:46:12,941 until the very end. 857 00:46:19,565 --> 00:46:21,607 Yeah, it's... it's just, there's so many... 858 00:46:21,691 --> 00:46:23,899 When you think of all the lives this guy ruined, 859 00:46:23,982 --> 00:46:26,732 and not just the victims, it just goes on and on and on. 860 00:46:26,816 --> 00:46:29,607 It's... it's... it's... Exponentially, you know. 861 00:46:29,691 --> 00:46:31,440 - Right. Right. - Yeah. 862 00:46:31,524 --> 00:46:35,065 I've worked some really bad cases, 863 00:46:35,524 --> 00:46:36,732 and... 864 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,982 this series... 865 00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:44,232 affected me emotionally and mentally 866 00:46:44,315 --> 00:46:46,399 because there was no resolution. 867 00:46:47,065 --> 00:46:48,107 Everywhere I went, 868 00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,607 it's, "How come you guys haven't caught that guy?" 869 00:46:50,691 --> 00:46:52,774 There was a lot of... I wouldn't call it hysteria, 870 00:46:52,857 --> 00:46:55,107 but gun sales went out the roof. 871 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,941 Burglary rates went from 1,400 in a month down to 200. 872 00:46:58,023 --> 00:46:59,899 Sacramento women who have never 873 00:46:59,982 --> 00:47:01,565 fired a gun before... 874 00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:04,315 ...are now learning how to shoot in larger and larger numbers. 875 00:47:04,399 --> 00:47:05,941 Gun sales are way up, 876 00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:07,691 with some of the buyers not that familiar 877 00:47:07,774 --> 00:47:10,399 with how to use firearms, and that can be dangerous. 878 00:47:10,482 --> 00:47:12,982 We had one citizen that actually shot a person 879 00:47:13,065 --> 00:47:14,023 and killed him. 880 00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:16,774 And, um, when it came time, 881 00:47:16,857 --> 00:47:18,899 for him to go to superior court, 882 00:47:18,982 --> 00:47:21,732 the judge said, "Anybody in the community 883 00:47:21,816 --> 00:47:23,816 at that time would have done the same thing." 884 00:47:23,899 --> 00:47:25,440 And they dropped the charges. 885 00:47:26,565 --> 00:47:28,774 Back in those days... 886 00:47:28,857 --> 00:47:30,524 ...it was very, very... 887 00:47:31,565 --> 00:47:32,982 very difficult 888 00:47:33,065 --> 00:47:34,774 to get departments to work together. 889 00:47:34,857 --> 00:47:37,315 When the East Area Rapist left our jurisdiction 890 00:47:37,399 --> 00:47:38,857 and went into the city, 891 00:47:38,941 --> 00:47:40,691 then he went to Stockton and Modesto 892 00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:43,023 and started expanding, 893 00:47:43,107 --> 00:47:45,691 there was sort of a lack of communication 894 00:47:45,774 --> 00:47:46,899 between the agencies 895 00:47:46,982 --> 00:47:50,148 because "You guys couldn't catch him, we will." 896 00:47:50,232 --> 00:47:52,023 And that was the attitude. 897 00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:56,232 In two cases in my area, I was kicked out of the town, 898 00:47:56,315 --> 00:47:59,357 told they didn't need my help, didn't want my help. 899 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,482 Two weeks later, they get hit again. 900 00:48:01,565 --> 00:48:05,232 Just because agencies didn't work together. 901 00:48:08,357 --> 00:48:11,524 I remember there was a day 902 00:48:11,607 --> 00:48:14,357 that I was on the phone 903 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,607 telling my friend what had happened. 904 00:48:18,357 --> 00:48:20,107 And my dad... 905 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,148 I guess had picked up the other line and heard me. 906 00:48:25,232 --> 00:48:30,482 And I got in a lot of trouble for telling anybody. 907 00:48:31,941 --> 00:48:33,023 And, um... 908 00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:37,982 and I... I think at that moment, 909 00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:42,899 that would probably be the beginning feeling of shame. 910 00:48:42,982 --> 00:48:46,691 I felt shame, I felt like, "Did I wear something? 911 00:48:46,774 --> 00:48:48,482 How did he pick me out?" 912 00:48:50,482 --> 00:48:52,107 There was this thought 913 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:55,440 that you were raped based on your beauty 914 00:48:55,524 --> 00:48:59,565 or your clothing or your action 915 00:48:59,649 --> 00:49:02,357 and not that something is wrong with the man 916 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,732 that can't control these urges. 917 00:49:05,816 --> 00:49:07,565 This was something to do with him 918 00:49:07,649 --> 00:49:09,273 that had nothing to do 919 00:49:09,357 --> 00:49:10,982 with the woman who was his victim. 920 00:49:11,065 --> 00:49:13,107 And it was a time where... 921 00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:16,941 somehow, it always came back to being the woman's fault. 922 00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:18,649 The woman who allows herself 923 00:49:18,732 --> 00:49:21,357 to be seen undressing or partially clothed 924 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,941 is the woman who invites trouble. 925 00:49:24,023 --> 00:49:25,982 Here again, we see lack of awareness, 926 00:49:26,065 --> 00:49:28,273 plus invitational behavior. 927 00:49:28,357 --> 00:49:30,565 You even had cops saying, you know, 928 00:49:30,649 --> 00:49:33,482 "Well, at least he got the pretty one of the sisters." 929 00:49:36,399 --> 00:49:40,107 That culture would never know how to ask the right questions 930 00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:43,273 or say the right things to a female victim. 931 00:49:43,357 --> 00:49:47,023 The law and procedure allowed at that time, 932 00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:48,357 the late '70s, 933 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,482 that a rape victim could be routinely asked 934 00:49:52,565 --> 00:49:56,023 to take a polygraph exam 935 00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:58,065 or to see a psychiatrist. 936 00:49:58,148 --> 00:50:02,482 When people find out about this violent attack, 937 00:50:02,565 --> 00:50:04,190 it's like, "Well, 938 00:50:04,273 --> 00:50:07,482 how did you get yourself into that position?" 939 00:50:07,565 --> 00:50:10,732 Or, um, "Why didn't you somehow 940 00:50:10,816 --> 00:50:13,482 get yourself out of that position?" 941 00:50:13,565 --> 00:50:16,107 You know, even some of my best friends would... 942 00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:18,148 like, "You couldn't do anything?" 943 00:50:18,232 --> 00:50:19,732 You know what I mean? 944 00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:21,565 Just couldn't do anything. 945 00:50:24,107 --> 00:50:26,649 There wasn't anything to be done. 946 00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:30,190 I couldn't have done anything if I'd had a gun on the... 947 00:50:30,273 --> 00:50:32,816 on the bed table, you know? You're just... 948 00:50:32,899 --> 00:50:35,232 You don't mess around when somebody, 949 00:50:36,273 --> 00:50:39,524 you know, has full control of the situation. 950 00:50:39,607 --> 00:50:42,565 And there was no mistaking that he was serious. 951 00:50:58,816 --> 00:51:00,399 Carol and I both have said 952 00:51:00,482 --> 00:51:01,607 he's going to kill somebody. 953 00:51:01,691 --> 00:51:03,899 The guy's getting more and more brutal as he goes. 954 00:51:03,982 --> 00:51:05,857 More and more violent. 955 00:51:05,941 --> 00:51:09,982 I just had this very, very strong feeling. 956 00:51:10,065 --> 00:51:12,023 I talked to, the psychiatrist 957 00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:13,440 at the Vacaville Medical Center 958 00:51:13,524 --> 00:51:15,899 that worked with the rapists there. 959 00:51:15,982 --> 00:51:18,565 And I gave her some reports, and she said, 960 00:51:18,649 --> 00:51:20,732 "Okay, come back next week. 961 00:51:20,816 --> 00:51:23,399 I'm gonna talk to my rapists in here." 962 00:51:23,482 --> 00:51:25,732 The best thing to do if you're in a rape situation 963 00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:28,732 is submit, submit, submit until it hurts. 964 00:51:28,816 --> 00:51:31,816 Because it's gonna hurt a lot less in the long run. 965 00:51:31,899 --> 00:51:33,399 If I'm willing to kill you, 966 00:51:33,482 --> 00:51:35,440 the first move you make, you're gonna be dead. 967 00:51:35,524 --> 00:51:37,232 The woman that I was with, 968 00:51:37,315 --> 00:51:39,315 she fought back and she's dead. 969 00:51:40,524 --> 00:51:43,357 I went back the next week and, she said, 970 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,023 "You had better catch him. 971 00:51:45,107 --> 00:51:48,315 He wants to kill, and he is going to kill." 972 00:51:48,399 --> 00:51:50,482 And I said, "Why hasn't he killed?" 973 00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:53,482 And she said, "He hasn't found the justification." 974 00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:55,357 And I said, "What's the justification?" 975 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,315 And she said, "I don't know, but it'll get there." 976 00:51:58,399 --> 00:52:00,148 Of course, we didn't know at the time 977 00:52:00,232 --> 00:52:01,691 that he'd already killed. 978 00:52:05,899 --> 00:52:08,941 The house right here, 979 00:52:09,023 --> 00:52:12,774 the Maggiores were killed right outside the fence. 980 00:52:12,857 --> 00:52:15,857 This is where she was shot and killed and came right out of. 981 00:52:15,941 --> 00:52:18,065 Did you feel at the time that that was related? 982 00:52:18,148 --> 00:52:20,774 During the time of the East Area Rapist attack, 983 00:52:20,857 --> 00:52:24,023 I had never heard about these homicides. 984 00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:32,565 The same owners still reside in these residences 985 00:52:32,649 --> 00:52:34,607 where this happened. 986 00:52:34,691 --> 00:52:37,649 And then, one of the witnesses lived right here. 987 00:52:37,732 --> 00:52:39,148 I heard five shots, 988 00:52:39,232 --> 00:52:41,732 and I jumped and looked out the window. 989 00:52:41,816 --> 00:52:45,982 And I saw a man run down the sidewalk. 990 00:52:46,065 --> 00:52:48,440 And I saw the boy across the street. 991 00:52:48,524 --> 00:52:51,565 He came running, running down... right down the sidewalk. 992 00:52:51,649 --> 00:52:55,524 And he came right up on the lawn next to the tree. 993 00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:58,565 And then right... right as he came to the tree, 994 00:52:58,649 --> 00:53:01,399 he looked up and he saw me standing right here. 995 00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:04,399 And he was pretty surprised, 996 00:53:04,482 --> 00:53:06,107 turned around as quick as he could. 997 00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:09,482 He just turned around and just headed straight down there 998 00:53:09,565 --> 00:53:12,565 towards the fire hydrant around the corner. 999 00:53:12,649 --> 00:53:15,524 The Maggiores were out walking their dog. 1000 00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:18,190 They were seen running 1001 00:53:18,273 --> 00:53:20,982 and went through this backyard 1002 00:53:21,065 --> 00:53:22,899 where they were attacked. 1003 00:53:22,982 --> 00:53:26,816 The fact that they were chased down and shot, 1004 00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:29,273 like, Katie was shot right in the head, 1005 00:53:29,357 --> 00:53:31,816 made me think that they had seen his face 1006 00:53:31,899 --> 00:53:33,857 and they could identify him. 1007 00:53:33,941 --> 00:53:38,107 I'm an art student and I drew out a picture of him 1008 00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:40,774 standing next to the tree, because I saw him, and I saw... 1009 00:53:40,857 --> 00:53:43,399 I drew a picture of him running down. 1010 00:53:44,649 --> 00:53:47,440 It's believed that the composite 1011 00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:49,857 that was released at the time 1012 00:53:49,941 --> 00:53:54,857 was very close to, um, what the attacker looked like. 1013 00:53:54,941 --> 00:53:57,899 I didn't work the Maggiore homicides 1014 00:53:57,982 --> 00:54:00,399 because it was completely different MO. 1015 00:54:00,482 --> 00:54:02,899 Okay, this isn't in a home in a rape case, 1016 00:54:02,982 --> 00:54:06,190 but this is a prowler in a ski mask. 1017 00:54:06,273 --> 00:54:09,524 A pre-tied ligature was also found at the scene, 1018 00:54:09,607 --> 00:54:14,315 which was a common knot that the East Area Rapist used. 1019 00:54:14,399 --> 00:54:16,190 There were officers that said "Yeah, 1020 00:54:16,273 --> 00:54:17,732 I think it could've been the East Area Rapist," 1021 00:54:17,816 --> 00:54:19,732 and others said, "No, I don't think it was." 1022 00:54:19,816 --> 00:54:21,357 That was a huge debate 1023 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,524 because we don't know for sure what happened. 1024 00:54:23,607 --> 00:54:27,691 But the idea that most people believe 1025 00:54:27,774 --> 00:54:29,982 is that they encountered EAR 1026 00:54:30,065 --> 00:54:33,315 and, they were killed because of that. 1027 00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:37,107 And they were just walking? 1028 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:38,941 Yeah. It was so sad. 1029 00:54:39,023 --> 00:54:41,524 They were just married. 1030 00:54:43,232 --> 00:54:45,023 Whatever they saw, 1031 00:54:45,857 --> 00:54:47,816 they had to die for it. 1032 00:54:50,524 --> 00:54:53,774 I really did... think 1033 00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:55,982 that they were going to... to catch him. 1034 00:54:56,065 --> 00:54:58,941 And it was, um... 1035 00:54:59,023 --> 00:55:03,607 a hard pill to swallow as the years went by, 1036 00:55:03,691 --> 00:55:07,691 that he could've gotten away with these kinds of things. 1037 00:55:15,899 --> 00:55:20,482 I really did think that they were going to... 1038 00:55:20,565 --> 00:55:22,691 to catch him. 1039 00:55:24,399 --> 00:55:26,273 I mimicked the bedtime routine 1040 00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:27,774 of a normal person... 1041 00:55:29,524 --> 00:55:32,440 but after my husband and daughter fell asleep, 1042 00:55:33,649 --> 00:55:36,607 I hunted the killer with my laptop, 1043 00:55:36,691 --> 00:55:40,732 the 15-inch hatch of endless possibilities. 1044 00:55:53,065 --> 00:55:55,107 You know, he stole very specific things from people. 1045 00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:56,899 Not necessarily valuable things, 1046 00:55:56,982 --> 00:55:59,190 but things that meant something to his victim. 1047 00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:01,857 A lot of them were initialed, monogrammed, things like that. 1048 00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,524 And in my interviews with detectives, 1049 00:56:03,607 --> 00:56:05,315 I would say, "Have you ever tried to follow up 1050 00:56:05,399 --> 00:56:07,691 and see if these were on eBay or anything like that?" 1051 00:56:07,774 --> 00:56:10,190 And that just wasn't something they did. 1052 00:56:10,273 --> 00:56:13,524 My thinking was, who's to say some guy didn't die 1053 00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:16,524 and you have to clear out your weird uncle's storage. 1054 00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,440 Then, suddenly, you've just put those on eBay, 1055 00:56:18,524 --> 00:56:19,857 and we could find that. 1056 00:56:19,941 --> 00:56:21,941 So I just started to keep a list. 1057 00:56:23,107 --> 00:56:25,524 The cufflinks, a family heirloom, 1058 00:56:25,607 --> 00:56:28,524 were an unusual 1950s style 1059 00:56:28,607 --> 00:56:32,232 and monogrammed with the initials "NR." 1060 00:56:32,315 --> 00:56:35,315 Michelle had been, you know, late night, bleary eyed, 1061 00:56:35,399 --> 00:56:38,607 looking online, the latest, like, possible clue, 1062 00:56:38,691 --> 00:56:41,982 and she had stumbled upon a pair of cufflinks. 1063 00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,899 The same style of cufflinks 1064 00:56:43,982 --> 00:56:46,023 as sketched out in the police file, 1065 00:56:46,107 --> 00:56:47,732 with the same initials. 1066 00:56:47,816 --> 00:56:49,357 The idea was... 1067 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,816 were these the cufflinks 1068 00:56:50,899 --> 00:56:53,732 that the Golden State Killer had stolen, 1069 00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:56,273 that then surfaced somewhere in Oregon? 1070 00:56:56,357 --> 00:56:57,982 And if these were the cufflinks, 1071 00:56:58,065 --> 00:57:01,774 then there might be a way to trace who sold them to whom 1072 00:57:01,857 --> 00:57:05,399 and kind of do this, like, chain of where and how... 1073 00:57:05,482 --> 00:57:07,065 where it came from. 1074 00:57:07,148 --> 00:57:09,732 I walked down the hallway to my bedroom. 1075 00:57:09,816 --> 00:57:12,524 My husband was on his side sleeping. 1076 00:57:12,607 --> 00:57:15,440 I sat on the edge of the bed and stared at him 1077 00:57:15,524 --> 00:57:17,315 until he opened his eyes. 1078 00:57:18,899 --> 00:57:21,982 "I think I found him," I said. 83135

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