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When I'm puzzling
over the details of an unsolved crime
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I'm like a rat in a maze
given a task.
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I had a murder habit
and it was bad.
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I would feed it
for the rest of my life.
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Her ultimate dream
was always to write books.
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The case that
I'm most obsessed with is
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a serial offender
that raped 50 women
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in California
and killed ten people.
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She also really wanted a child.
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Alice!
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Michelle wanted to get
this guy caught.
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The story of the victims,
it has to be told.
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We were awakened
by a voice.
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There he is in his ski mask.
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He said,
"Don't move or I'll kill you.
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Everyone loves a story
about a killer,
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but there was nothing new
to say yet.
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Now...
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This guy, I think...
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I guess what I think people
underestimate is the...
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I hate to use this word,
the productivity and the...
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he was so... this is
what he did constantly.
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And when you do
something over and over again,
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you get...
you just get better at it.
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And I don't think that that
necessarily meant...
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I just don't think
he was an evil genius.
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- Right.
- I think if you're out
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- every night at 3:00 a.m...
- Right.
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...trying to break
into people's houses,
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it's a numbers game.
At a certain point,
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you're gonna be successful.
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Hey, it's Patton.
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Just wanted to call
and congratulate you.
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That is such awesome news.
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You so deserve it.
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Hey, Michelle.
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I just wanted
to say congratulations.
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I'm just thrilled for you.
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Hey Michelle, It's Mel.
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Call me, I'm looking forward
to talking to you
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about the, um, article.
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One, one thing that, um, was...
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that I was interested in was...
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how do you think
the East Area Rapist
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chose the victims?
Because that's the other thing
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that's so striking to me
about this case,
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is that there obviously has to
be a high level of surveillance.
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But then there's also
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a spontaneity issue because...
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So, he had to, like,
pick these people,
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but then it's also, like,
the one time
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the husband's called away
for two hours.
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So it's almost like
he's omnipresent,
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and I can't figure that out.
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Well, a lot of times
he would go in
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and I think
he would pick out a person.
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A lot of times
he would go in
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and I think he would pick out
a person. But...
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So he was going into their house
maybe beforehand
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- when they weren't there?
- Yes. Yes.
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- Okay.
- Yeah.
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The hook for me
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was that the case
seemed solvable.
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He'd left behind
so many victims
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and abundant clues.
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The case dragged me
under quickly.
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Curiosity turned
to clawing hunger.
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There were two more victims
in January.
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A quote by an anonymous
sheriff's detective
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in the Sacramento Bee
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conveyed the brittle weariness
setting in.
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"It was exactly the same
as all the rest."
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The first draft
of Michelle's piece comes in,
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and it is one
of the most difficult,
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disturbing, violent collections
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of terrible things
that happened to people.
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And I was like, "Shit.
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This is real."
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And then it was like...
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an elevator plunging
20,000 stories.
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This is the first paragraph
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that just gave me nightmares.
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"The first attack
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in many ways resembled
the 49 that followed.
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The 23-year-old victim
woke to a man
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in a navy blue T-shirt
and white ski mask
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standing in her bedroom doorway.
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He wore no pants and was erect.
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She thought she was dreaming
until he leaped onto her bed.
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'If you make one move or sound,
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I'll stick this knife in you,'
he whispered,
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pressing the blade
into her right temple."
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The unknown offender,
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soon dubbed
"the East Area Rapist,"
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would go on
to rape and terrorize
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Northern California communities
for the next three years.
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"His habits were unique
and disturbing.
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He clearly did
a great deal of surveillance
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of his victims and their homes.
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He used shoelaces or torn towels
as ligatures."
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"His tenth victim
was playing the piano
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when he materialized.
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He tied her hands
behind her back
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with shoelaces he'd stolen
earlier from her sister's shoes.
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He had her masturbate him
with hand lotion,
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a habit of his,
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while he quizzed her
on her sexual history.
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The victim was a virgin.
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He raped her anyway.
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'Isn't this good?'
he asked.
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He held a knife to her throat
until she said yes."
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When I was reading the piece,
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the number "50" skid past me
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the first few times
I read that story
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because it was like,
"Twelve murders.
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Murders, murders, murders."
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And then I stepped back
and I was like, "Fifty rapes."
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No one wants to talk about
that part of the story, really.
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The devastation that that had
on the community,
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on partners, in families,
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and then made worse
by the fact that
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we just didn't necessarily
have the tools
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or the culture
to treat the victims
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in the way they probably needed
at that time.
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They range in age from 22 to 35,
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in color,
from black to brown to white.
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Joel, convicted of two rapes.
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He also told me
he'd attacked men.
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This is Vic.
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He raped,
then murdered a woman.
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Jim used a gun
to beat his victims.
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In the '70s in Sacramento,
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there seemed to be a center
for the real wackos.
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It really did.
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You had all kinds of rapists.
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The Early Bird Rapist,
who started about '68 or '70,
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he did 41, I think it was,
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rapes, in the homes.
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That never made much
in the way of news.
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The Stinky Rapist.
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He did many,
many rapes in Berkeley.
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And they thought
they knew who he was,
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but the DA wouldn't file.
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And he moved to Oakland,
where he continued raping
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and was never caught.
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You had the Car Key Rapist.
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He would rape the lady
in the car,
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and then he would take off
with the key.
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And, you had
the Pillowcase Rapist.
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These were
very, very active rapists.
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There were about 15
that I come up with,
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where they were raping
30, 40, 50 people.
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Rape in the '70s was...
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a crime like a simple assault.
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It was not considered
a big deal.
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The sentence for, um...
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raping somebody
could be 30 days,
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could be 90 days,
you'd get probation.
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There was no real,
crime statute
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for sexual assault,
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and so, um, I think
when these crimes began,
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um, you know, you looked at
the way women were treated.
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The sex offender today
has a greater number
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of available women
to choose from.
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There are more working women,
single women living alone,
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not with their families
or with men.
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Because of the mobility
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and the visibility
of today's woman,
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she must learn
to understand the rapist.
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For today's woman
to understand the rapist,
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she's gotta learn
to understand the man.
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Of course,
women didn't talk about it
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because of the way
they were treated
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when they did talk about it,
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and oftentimes blamed
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for what did they do
that was inappropriate
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or what, you know,
what were they wearing?
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How were they walking?
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You know,
did they do something
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that would've brought
that kind of attention
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against their will?
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The young girl
made one bad move after another.
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Her attitude
was much too inviting.
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She should never have stopped
to window shop at night.
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She parked in a dark section
of the parking lot
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and didn't have her keys ready
in her hand.
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So, Michelle...
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how did you become interested
in true crime?
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You know, how old were you
when you first got into it?
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I got interested in true crime,
um, because when I was 14,
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living outside of Chicago,
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a neighbor of mine was murdered.
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Um, and it... it was,
it's still unsolved.
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Her name was Kathy Lombardo.
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I grew up in Oak Park, Illinois,
which is outside Chicago.
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It was just a laid-back
residential area
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and it really kind of
shocked our town.
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And it was... it was
headline news, for sure.
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Kathy Lombardo
grew up in this neighborhood.
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She felt safe here.
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So she could be found just
about every night of the week
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walking briskly through
these streets and alleys,
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always alone, always wearing
her stereo headphones
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with the music
turned up full blast.
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Last night, somebody grabbed
the 24-year-old Oak Park woman
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in an alley,
probably from behind,
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stabbed her in the heart,
and slashed her throat.
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Police say she was probably
sexually attacked as well.
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She was found just
after 10:00 by two youths,
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who called a neighbor
to the scene.
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I got there
and went to reach down
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to check her carotid pulse,
and her throat was slit open.
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She was turning pale fast
and...
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couple pumps, you know,
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a couple more pumps
from her throat,
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and she was dead.
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I don't think,
up until that point,
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I had been interested
in murder at all.
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I was just very gripped
by this story
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and very shocked by it
and very, um, obsessed
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with kind of the blankness
of this person's face.
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That we didn't know
who may be, like,
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slinking by us
covered in blood.
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I mean, it just seemed
so unbelievable to me
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that someone among us
was a cold-blooded killer
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who had cut this woman's throat.
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Today, police scoured
the alley where the murder took place
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and found the blade
of the kitchen knife
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they think was used
to kill the young woman.
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They're still searching
for the handle,
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which was broken off.
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What happened to her is wrong.
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It could happen to you
or me or anyone.
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I remember
walking to the place
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where I knew
she had been killed and...
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um, finding kinda these
shattered pieces of Walkman
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that were still there
and kinda picking them up.
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I didn't go as far as
to talk to,
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you know, the police
or anything like that,
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but I was definitely
very curious
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about the different elements
of the crime
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and how it had happened
and who this guy could be.
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Was he someone we knew?
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Everyone moved on,
and I couldn't.
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- From, like, '75 to '84...
- Yeah.
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...there were
so many serial offenders
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operating at the same time.
It blows my mind.
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- Yeah, yeah.
- I don't know why that was,
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- but there was a ton of that.
- I don't either.
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The East Area Rapist
was not the most active.
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He was the most violent,
from what we knew.
252
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He would break into the homes
while they were sleeping.
253
00:14:29,273 --> 00:14:32,941
The sex was not... his thing.
254
00:14:34,607 --> 00:14:37,899
The terror that he put in 'em
was the thing.
255
00:14:40,982 --> 00:14:42,607
Now,
one of the big questions
256
00:14:42,691 --> 00:14:44,649
that was asked here last night,
257
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"If we have a gun,
could we shoot him?"
258
00:14:47,107 --> 00:14:48,982
Knowing what I know
about this man,
259
00:14:49,065 --> 00:14:51,857
if I had a gun,
I definitely would shoot him.
260
00:14:51,941 --> 00:14:53,357
And I would not shoot to injure.
261
00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,732
I would shoot
to take care of him.
262
00:14:55,816 --> 00:14:57,857
There are two things known
about the rapist
263
00:14:57,941 --> 00:15:00,232
currently terrorizing
Sacramento.
264
00:15:00,315 --> 00:15:02,649
One is he has never been caught
in a home
265
00:15:02,732 --> 00:15:04,524
where there was a man present.
266
00:15:04,607 --> 00:15:07,899
The other is
he's never been in a home
267
00:15:07,982 --> 00:15:10,190
where there has been a big dog.
268
00:15:11,816 --> 00:15:15,232
'77 became a time
where the East Area Rapist
269
00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:17,982
- began attacking couples.
- And why do you think
270
00:15:18,065 --> 00:15:20,857
he did... he started
to do couples?
271
00:15:20,941 --> 00:15:24,023
I really do think it was
because of the news media.
272
00:15:24,107 --> 00:15:25,065
Yeah.
273
00:15:25,148 --> 00:15:28,565
The first 15 rapes
in the Sacramento area
274
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were lone women.
275
00:15:30,649 --> 00:15:33,565
The newspaper printed
that he'd never hit a place
276
00:15:33,649 --> 00:15:35,315
with a man in the house.
277
00:15:35,941 --> 00:15:37,899
And after that...
278
00:15:37,982 --> 00:15:39,691
there was a man in the house.
279
00:15:39,774 --> 00:15:41,732
- So he was aware of that?
- Yeah.
280
00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:43,982
And... and that would go
to the game playing part of it?
281
00:15:44,065 --> 00:15:45,482
Yeah. Yeah.
282
00:15:45,565 --> 00:15:48,899
Absolutely, he was watching
the media with everything.
283
00:15:48,982 --> 00:15:51,941
And as soon as the newspaper
would say, "This didn't happen,"
284
00:15:52,023 --> 00:15:53,148
it would happen.
285
00:15:53,232 --> 00:15:55,691
Everything became
a challenge to him.
286
00:15:56,857 --> 00:15:59,148
I didn't have a lot of exposure
287
00:15:59,232 --> 00:16:01,691
to what was happening, um...
288
00:16:02,482 --> 00:16:04,107
I didn't see the newspaper.
289
00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:07,232
I don't remember hearing it
on the news.
290
00:16:07,315 --> 00:16:09,440
In the weeks
leading up to the attack,
291
00:16:09,524 --> 00:16:12,732
we had... hang-up calls.
292
00:16:12,816 --> 00:16:15,273
I believe three, four a day.
293
00:16:15,357 --> 00:16:16,941
We would have them.
294
00:16:17,023 --> 00:16:18,190
Um...
295
00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,607
but it didn't...
296
00:16:21,691 --> 00:16:25,565
it didn't register to me.
I was 15.
297
00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,482
Maybe it was a boy
that liked me.
298
00:16:28,565 --> 00:16:30,148
You know, I didn't...
299
00:16:30,232 --> 00:16:33,107
I really didn't have any...
300
00:16:33,774 --> 00:16:35,107
I'll say it this way.
301
00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,273
I didn't have
any reason to be fearful
302
00:16:37,357 --> 00:16:39,357
because I lived in a safe world.
303
00:16:41,065 --> 00:16:43,107
Residents of the East Area
304
00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:45,565
are locking themselves
inside their houses
305
00:16:45,649 --> 00:16:46,982
as never before.
306
00:16:47,065 --> 00:16:49,482
Locks have sold so quickly
in the community,
307
00:16:49,565 --> 00:16:53,107
stores have had trouble
keeping up with the demand.
308
00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:55,148
I wasn't scared at the time.
309
00:16:55,232 --> 00:16:57,565
I didn't know about
a lot of it going on.
310
00:16:57,649 --> 00:16:59,190
I wasn't reading the paper.
311
00:16:59,273 --> 00:17:01,315
Um, yes, it was in the news.
312
00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:04,065
The one indication we got was...
313
00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:05,982
my husband and I came home,
314
00:17:06,065 --> 00:17:07,440
and the kids
in the neighborhood
315
00:17:07,524 --> 00:17:09,065
come running up to us
and they said,
316
00:17:09,148 --> 00:17:11,941
"We're playing this game
and I was on somebody's back
317
00:17:12,023 --> 00:17:15,065
and we saw a man
run out of your yard."
318
00:17:15,148 --> 00:17:16,482
We were like, "What?"
319
00:17:17,774 --> 00:17:20,691
So we went, we got deadbolts,
where you put the key in
320
00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:23,482
for the front door
and the garage door.
321
00:17:23,565 --> 00:17:25,357
We put this nail at the top
322
00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,816
so you could lock the slider
and it can't go.
323
00:17:28,899 --> 00:17:31,232
And he had cased the place,
324
00:17:31,315 --> 00:17:34,607
he knew to lift the glass up
out of the back window.
325
00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:42,982
It was a Friday night,
326
00:17:43,065 --> 00:17:47,232
it was probably after 1:00,
closer to 2:00.
327
00:17:51,107 --> 00:17:53,190
Door opens, flashlight.
328
00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:55,857
Mumbling.
329
00:17:56,774 --> 00:17:58,524
"I have a gun."
330
00:17:58,607 --> 00:18:00,565
And I'm still thinking...
331
00:18:00,649 --> 00:18:03,315
"Am I dreaming? Am I...
Is this really happening?"
332
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:10,148
And before I knew it,
he threw some ties at me
333
00:18:10,232 --> 00:18:12,732
and he says,
"Tie your husband up."
334
00:18:12,816 --> 00:18:16,107
And so, he asked him
to flip over onto his stomach
335
00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:19,982
and hogtied him and I did,
and I didn't tie him tight.
336
00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:23,232
And then he tied me
behind my back,
337
00:18:23,315 --> 00:18:26,273
on my stomach,
and my ankles hogtied,
338
00:18:26,357 --> 00:18:28,774
and I remember
turning my jewelry around,
339
00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:31,357
I'm thinkin'
it's gonna be a robbery.
340
00:18:32,941 --> 00:18:37,023
And so, then he re-tied
my husband twice as tight.
341
00:18:37,107 --> 00:18:38,732
And then he leaves the room.
342
00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,941
We're kind of whispering
to each other,
343
00:18:42,023 --> 00:18:44,315
we're like, "What's going on?"
344
00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:46,649
He had a ski mask on
the whole time.
345
00:18:48,774 --> 00:18:51,148
He's just walkin' around
the house like he owns it.
346
00:18:51,232 --> 00:18:53,857
I could hear him
open the refrigerator.
347
00:18:53,941 --> 00:18:56,691
He gets a beer,
and he's drinkin' a beer.
348
00:18:58,607 --> 00:19:00,023
He grabbed dishes.
349
00:19:00,107 --> 00:19:02,023
He grabbed plates and bowls
350
00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:04,273
and he put them
on my husband's back.
351
00:19:04,357 --> 00:19:07,190
And he told him
if he heard those bowls moving,
352
00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:09,482
he was gonna cut his ear off.
353
00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:19,148
He put a blindfold over me
and he said, "Follow me."
354
00:19:19,232 --> 00:19:21,232
I'm going down the hallway,
355
00:19:21,315 --> 00:19:23,232
and I remember
staying close to the side,
356
00:19:23,315 --> 00:19:26,065
I'm thinking, "I don't want him
to see my body."
357
00:19:26,148 --> 00:19:29,273
And I went, "My God,
I'm gonna be raped."
358
00:19:32,816 --> 00:19:34,857
He took me
into the family room,
359
00:19:34,941 --> 00:19:37,440
and he tells me
to lay on the floor.
360
00:19:38,732 --> 00:19:41,816
He goes into the guest bedroom
and he got a towel
361
00:19:41,899 --> 00:19:44,649
and he rips it in half
and he puts it over the TV,
362
00:19:44,732 --> 00:19:47,774
but then he puts the TV on
so that there's light coming in,
363
00:19:47,857 --> 00:19:49,148
but not too much.
364
00:19:55,399 --> 00:19:57,524
As he was raping me,
I had a knife to my throat,
365
00:19:57,607 --> 00:19:59,399
pushed up against my neck.
366
00:19:59,482 --> 00:20:01,982
And I just kept saying,
"Please don't hurt me.
367
00:20:02,065 --> 00:20:03,232
Please don't hurt me."
368
00:20:03,315 --> 00:20:04,524
And I didn't hardly move,
369
00:20:04,607 --> 00:20:07,440
I was like, I'm going to stay
as still as possible.
370
00:20:10,732 --> 00:20:12,732
He was in the house for a while.
371
00:20:12,816 --> 00:20:14,607
He drank another beer.
372
00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,524
I... I could smell that.
373
00:20:16,607 --> 00:20:18,691
He asked
for where my wallet was.
374
00:20:18,774 --> 00:20:21,691
He was going through,
taking things out.
375
00:20:21,774 --> 00:20:24,107
He came back and he says,
"Take off your jewelry,"
376
00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,816
and I couldn't get it
off my hand.
377
00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,315
And he says,
"I'll cut your finger off,
378
00:20:28,399 --> 00:20:30,190
I don't care.
I want your jewelry."
379
00:20:30,273 --> 00:20:32,941
And so I said, "Get some lotion
or get some soap."
380
00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:35,190
So he went
and got me some lotion,
381
00:20:35,273 --> 00:20:39,982
and I took off my wedding band
and my engagement ring.
382
00:20:40,065 --> 00:20:42,649
And I remember
being cold on the floor.
383
00:20:48,565 --> 00:20:51,190
Finally, it seemed quiet.
384
00:20:51,273 --> 00:20:55,273
So I got up and I'm still tied,
and I go into the bedroom
385
00:20:55,357 --> 00:20:58,482
and I talk to my husband
and I ask him how he's doing
386
00:20:58,565 --> 00:21:00,732
and he's like, "You've just
got to get help.
387
00:21:00,816 --> 00:21:03,065
I... I can't feel my hands.
They're totally numb.
388
00:21:03,148 --> 00:21:05,732
I have no circulation."
389
00:21:05,816 --> 00:21:08,732
And I'm thinking, "How do I
get out of this house?"
390
00:21:08,816 --> 00:21:12,107
So I go into the kitchen
and I'm trying to get the...
391
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:14,440
the restraints off me,
and I'm trying to cut 'em
392
00:21:14,524 --> 00:21:16,273
and I'm trying to saw 'em,
and it...
393
00:21:16,357 --> 00:21:17,899
and I... and I'm also thinking,
394
00:21:17,982 --> 00:21:20,232
"God, is he gonna come back
in the house?
395
00:21:20,315 --> 00:21:22,649
Is he really gone
or is he hiding?"
396
00:21:22,732 --> 00:21:27,023
So, all of a sudden,
the family room drapes moved.
397
00:21:28,273 --> 00:21:29,857
A breeze came in.
398
00:21:30,524 --> 00:21:32,440
So I ran over
399
00:21:32,524 --> 00:21:35,524
and I put my shoulder
and I moved the sliding door.
400
00:21:35,607 --> 00:21:39,691
And I went along the concrete
up to the front gate,
401
00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:41,816
I moved the gate.
402
00:21:41,899 --> 00:21:44,065
I'm totally naked
from the waist down.
403
00:21:44,148 --> 00:21:46,148
I... Just my breasts
are being covered.
404
00:21:46,232 --> 00:21:47,857
And I went
to a neighbor's house.
405
00:21:50,732 --> 00:21:52,565
And I ring the doorbell.
406
00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,107
They're looking at me
and the husband comes down
407
00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:00,357
and he sees
that I'm, you know, naked,
408
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,607
and he grabs his wife's jacket,
puts it on me,
409
00:22:03,691 --> 00:22:05,399
and I said,
"I've just been raped.
410
00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:07,023
And my husband's tied up."
411
00:22:09,065 --> 00:22:10,148
He got a gun,
412
00:22:10,232 --> 00:22:12,565
he told his wife
to call the police,
413
00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:13,941
"Stay here."
414
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:17,732
And then I waited
for the police to come.
415
00:22:17,816 --> 00:22:21,649
And they came,
they took me back to the house.
416
00:22:21,732 --> 00:22:24,065
Carol Daly
was a female detective
417
00:22:24,148 --> 00:22:27,440
who I was so grateful
that she was there at that time.
418
00:22:27,524 --> 00:22:29,148
Everybody else was men,
419
00:22:29,232 --> 00:22:30,982
and she was the only woman
in the group.
420
00:22:31,065 --> 00:22:33,107
And that was...
that was a nice feeling.
421
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:34,816
We have information that he...
422
00:22:34,899 --> 00:22:36,774
She got me to the hospital.
423
00:22:36,857 --> 00:22:38,649
And she said,
"You're okay, honey."
424
00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:40,273
She said,
"I think you're in shock."
425
00:22:40,357 --> 00:22:41,982
So she's kind of, like,
being a mother to me.
426
00:22:42,065 --> 00:22:44,107
She says,
"You take as much time,"
427
00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,357
and we talked about it.
Went back home.
428
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,524
Basically, I went in
and I said to my husband,
429
00:22:49,607 --> 00:22:50,899
"Do you wanna...
do you wanna hear...
430
00:22:50,982 --> 00:22:53,357
know what happened?"
He goes, "I know what happened."
431
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,232
And he said, "I don't want
to talk about it."
432
00:22:55,315 --> 00:22:57,273
He said,
"I got rid of your pajamas
433
00:22:57,357 --> 00:22:59,524
and you don't have
to see those anymore."
434
00:22:59,607 --> 00:23:00,941
And I said, "Okay."
435
00:23:02,273 --> 00:23:05,399
I don't think a lot of men knew
how to deal with it,
436
00:23:05,482 --> 00:23:07,273
to be honest.
437
00:23:07,357 --> 00:23:09,524
I don't think... I don't...
438
00:23:09,607 --> 00:23:12,649
I know that he cared
and he felt terrible,
439
00:23:12,732 --> 00:23:15,857
but I don't think he wanted
to relive it either.
440
00:23:15,941 --> 00:23:17,899
He's basically,
"We don't talk about it.
441
00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,440
It's gone away."
442
00:23:21,315 --> 00:23:24,232
I think
this kind of crime was just...
443
00:23:24,315 --> 00:23:26,107
very ripe for the '70s
444
00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:28,899
because there's, um...
445
00:23:28,982 --> 00:23:30,899
How many people
did not call the police
446
00:23:30,982 --> 00:23:32,816
who saw something suspicious
is crazy.
447
00:23:32,899 --> 00:23:34,899
And that would not
happen today.
448
00:23:34,982 --> 00:23:36,732
Had you had anybody...
449
00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,565
any neighbors mention
anybody weird
450
00:23:38,649 --> 00:23:40,232
around the neighborhood
or anything like that?
451
00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,273
- Do you remember?
- No.
452
00:23:42,357 --> 00:23:44,399
We were very aware of it.
453
00:23:44,482 --> 00:23:47,482
But it was in East Sacramento.
454
00:23:47,565 --> 00:23:51,774
So we were sympathetic to...
but not alarmed
455
00:23:51,857 --> 00:23:54,440
because we're not
his side of town.
456
00:23:54,524 --> 00:23:57,691
You know he picked us partly
for the location of the house.
457
00:23:57,774 --> 00:23:59,982
Right by the freeway,
458
00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,607
- empty lot behind us.
- Empty field, right.
459
00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:03,816
All of that.
460
00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:08,065
And of course, they asked us
about strange cars...
461
00:24:08,148 --> 00:24:10,565
I mean, so when...
when... Did you have...
462
00:24:10,649 --> 00:24:13,482
did you feel in your heart
when this is happening
463
00:24:13,565 --> 00:24:14,816
this was a stranger?
464
00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:17,190
That this was not someone
that you knew?
465
00:24:17,273 --> 00:24:19,065
- Yeah.
- You did?
466
00:24:19,148 --> 00:24:20,941
You thought,
"This is the East Area Rapist."
467
00:24:21,023 --> 00:24:22,732
- Which makes me... Yeah.
- Yeah.
468
00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:26,273
I knew it was the guy then.
469
00:24:26,357 --> 00:24:30,190
I mean, by that time,
this was attack 22.
470
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:36,607
My husband and I,
we were in our bedroom.
471
00:24:36,691 --> 00:24:39,607
We were starting
to fool around,
472
00:24:39,691 --> 00:24:42,816
- we hear a scratching.
- Right.
473
00:24:44,565 --> 00:24:47,816
The EAR was a man of few words,
474
00:24:47,899 --> 00:24:51,982
and mostly the same,
as I would come to read,
475
00:24:52,065 --> 00:24:53,273
over time.
476
00:24:53,357 --> 00:24:55,565
He did indeed have a script.
477
00:24:56,857 --> 00:25:01,565
What he said to us
and mostly routinely was,
478
00:25:01,649 --> 00:25:04,941
"I just want money and food,
and then I'll be gone."
479
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,524
My son was three years old.
480
00:25:15,607 --> 00:25:21,273
He woke up as I was being
blindfold-led down the hall.
481
00:25:22,941 --> 00:25:26,273
EAR told him
to get back in his room.
482
00:25:29,941 --> 00:25:33,607
When he took me into
the living room for the assault,
483
00:25:33,691 --> 00:25:35,899
I remember saying to him,
484
00:25:35,982 --> 00:25:38,023
"Why are you doing this?"
485
00:25:38,107 --> 00:25:39,982
And he said, "Shut up."
486
00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:43,524
And I said, "I'm sorry."
487
00:25:43,607 --> 00:25:45,440
This is...
488
00:25:45,524 --> 00:25:48,524
This is how women were
in the '70s and the olden times.
489
00:25:48,607 --> 00:25:51,524
I said, "I'm sorry."
And he said, "Shut up," again.
490
00:25:51,607 --> 00:25:54,607
And that was the longest
conversation I had with him,
491
00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:59,649
except at the end when he
gave me the instructions about
492
00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:03,482
you know, tell the pigs
I have television.
493
00:26:03,565 --> 00:26:05,607
Wow. God.
494
00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:10,732
He didn't want it to be on TV
495
00:26:10,816 --> 00:26:13,816
and if it was on TV,
he'd kill two people,
496
00:26:13,899 --> 00:26:16,399
but then I believe
he told my husband
497
00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:18,023
it had to be on TV.
498
00:26:18,107 --> 00:26:24,065
He was constantly playing
these silly games with people.
499
00:26:24,148 --> 00:26:29,691
He had told the victims
of the attack just before us
500
00:26:29,774 --> 00:26:32,399
that he was going to kill
the next two people,
501
00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:34,649
which would have been us.
502
00:26:37,816 --> 00:26:40,899
Sometime after the attack,
my husband managed
503
00:26:40,982 --> 00:26:43,816
to get our phone
re-connected in the bedroom,
504
00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:46,524
that was on the nightstand,
and he called...
505
00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:48,649
in those days,
you still called the operator.
506
00:26:53,482 --> 00:26:57,565
Of course,
uniformed officers came first.
507
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:59,315
When I could see again,
508
00:26:59,399 --> 00:27:02,440
when the uniformed officer
took off...
509
00:27:02,524 --> 00:27:06,107
one of the first things I saw
was that on my formal couch,
510
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:10,691
the EAR had laid out
three or four of my dresses.
511
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,107
And I do mean laid out.
512
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:15,816
Not vandalized or thrown about.
513
00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:17,607
They were just laying there.
514
00:27:17,691 --> 00:27:21,232
And I remember very vividly
because I was so surprised,
515
00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:23,857
I was not expecting
to see that.
516
00:27:25,524 --> 00:27:26,941
I said to the officer,
517
00:27:27,023 --> 00:27:30,232
"The East Area Rapist
is now the South Area Rapist."
518
00:27:33,941 --> 00:27:35,982
The worst thing is not knowing.
519
00:27:36,065 --> 00:27:38,732
Not knowing when the rapist
will strike again.
520
00:27:38,816 --> 00:27:41,190
Not knowing
if you'll be his next victim.
521
00:27:41,273 --> 00:27:44,107
All you can do is take
every possible precaution
522
00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:46,190
and then hope
that he gets caught
523
00:27:46,273 --> 00:27:47,649
before he gets to you.
524
00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:50,982
I'm sleeping with my husband's
hunting knife under the pillow.
525
00:27:51,065 --> 00:27:53,190
We don't go to sleep
very well at night.
526
00:27:53,273 --> 00:27:54,774
We go around
and lock everything up
527
00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:56,315
as tightly as we can.
528
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,691
As of tonight,
the East Area Rapist
529
00:27:58,774 --> 00:28:01,315
has struck on the average
once every two weeks,
530
00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:03,816
sometimes every two days,
sometimes a week apart,
531
00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:05,816
sometimes three
or four weeks apart.
532
00:28:05,899 --> 00:28:08,065
Everybody in Sacramento
was terrified.
533
00:28:08,148 --> 00:28:10,482
Each night,
they patrol the neighborhoods
534
00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:12,816
of Sacramento County's
east side,
535
00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,607
and hundreds of other volunteers
reportedly are doing the same.
536
00:28:16,691 --> 00:28:19,357
They call themselves
the EARS Patrol.
537
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,607
"EARS," short for East Area
Rapist Surveillance.
538
00:28:22,691 --> 00:28:24,607
People complain
that after all this time,
539
00:28:24,691 --> 00:28:27,357
the police should've been able
to catch the East Area Rapist.
540
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,482
I think that the reason
541
00:28:28,565 --> 00:28:30,190
there hasn't been
something done about it
542
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,399
is because
it's a crime against women.
543
00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:36,607
We had officers
off duty on their own time
544
00:28:36,691 --> 00:28:38,857
going out
and working the streets.
545
00:28:38,941 --> 00:28:42,232
It's the first time the so-called
East Area Rapist has struck here
546
00:28:42,315 --> 00:28:44,732
in the Foothill Farms area
of Sacramento.
547
00:28:44,816 --> 00:28:48,232
25.
548
00:28:48,315 --> 00:28:50,440
Local burglar alarm distributors
549
00:28:50,524 --> 00:28:52,399
report a run on alarm systems.
550
00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:54,315
I don't like it.
It's getting too close to home.
551
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,524
We were giving
safety classes for women,
552
00:28:56,607 --> 00:28:58,399
how to protect themselves,
what to look for.
553
00:28:58,482 --> 00:29:00,399
It was about 10:00 last night
554
00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:02,357
when the rapist
kicked in the door.
555
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,691
She becomes the eighth teenager
556
00:29:03,774 --> 00:29:05,857
on the list
of some 33 victims.
557
00:29:05,941 --> 00:29:08,190
The 39th attack
of the East Area Rapist
558
00:29:08,273 --> 00:29:10,941
took place in this very nice
middle-class neighborhood.
559
00:29:11,023 --> 00:29:12,899
There were days
where I didn't go to sleep
560
00:29:12,982 --> 00:29:14,232
until the sun rose.
561
00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:16,565
We had tambourines
on the windows and doors
562
00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:18,732
so we could hear people enter.
563
00:29:18,816 --> 00:29:20,732
Ideally speaking,
the potential victim
564
00:29:20,816 --> 00:29:24,232
is supposed to ward off
her attacker with this device.
565
00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:28,190
It just was an insane time
in Sacramento.
566
00:29:28,273 --> 00:29:29,565
The attacks, two of them,
567
00:29:29,649 --> 00:29:31,857
one last Saturday,
and then again early today,
568
00:29:31,941 --> 00:29:33,565
occurred within a few blocks
of each other
569
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:35,148
in the Ignacio Valley area
of Concord.
570
00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:37,232
--REPORTER
1: ...happening in Fremont...
571
00:29:37,315 --> 00:29:39,148
...in Modesto... -REPORTER
3: ...her home in Contra Costa County.
572
00:29:39,232 --> 00:29:41,440
The only thing we
really know about the East Area Rapist
573
00:29:41,524 --> 00:29:42,774
is that he's a pro.
574
00:29:42,857 --> 00:29:45,273
He's been at this
for four years now
575
00:29:45,357 --> 00:29:48,732
and still nobody even knows
what he looks like.
576
00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,524
Alice?
577
00:30:01,691 --> 00:30:04,190
Alice, will you do
an imitation of Daddy?
578
00:30:09,023 --> 00:30:11,065
I have a nightly ritual
with Alice,
579
00:30:11,148 --> 00:30:13,565
who is a troubled sleeper.
580
00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:19,315
Every night
before falling asleep,
581
00:30:19,399 --> 00:30:21,816
she'll call out for me
to come into her bedroom.
582
00:30:21,899 --> 00:30:24,691
"I don't want to have a dream,"
she says.
583
00:30:24,774 --> 00:30:28,565
I brush her sandy hair back
and put my hand on her forehead,
584
00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:31,732
and look straight
into her big brown eyes.
585
00:30:31,816 --> 00:30:34,107
"You are not going
to have a dream,"
586
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:37,607
I tell her with crisp,
confident enunciation.
587
00:30:37,691 --> 00:30:41,565
Her body releases its tension,
and she goes to sleep.
588
00:30:49,399 --> 00:30:52,607
We make well-intentioned
promises of protection
589
00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:53,982
we can't always keep.
590
00:30:54,065 --> 00:30:56,857
- "I'll look out for you."
- No!
591
00:30:56,941 --> 00:30:58,607
But then you hear a scream,
592
00:30:58,691 --> 00:31:01,357
and you decide it's
some teenagers playing around.
593
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,107
A young man jumping a fence
is taking a shortcut.
594
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,524
The gunshot at 3:00 a.m.
595
00:31:06,607 --> 00:31:09,565
is a firecracker
or a car backfiring.
596
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:12,190
You sit up in bed
for a startled moment.
597
00:31:12,273 --> 00:31:15,065
Awaiting you
is the cold hard floor
598
00:31:15,148 --> 00:31:18,023
and a conversation
that may lead nowhere.
599
00:31:18,107 --> 00:31:20,857
You collapse
onto your warm pillow
600
00:31:20,941 --> 00:31:22,774
and turn back to sleep.
601
00:31:23,565 --> 00:31:25,607
Sirens wake you later.
602
00:31:32,649 --> 00:31:34,023
We always joke that...
603
00:31:34,107 --> 00:31:37,440
- we must've both been blind.
- We're still blind.
604
00:31:37,524 --> 00:31:39,816
'Cause we've been together
40 plus years.
605
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:41,857
It was a blind date.
606
00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,524
And then, just...
607
00:31:44,607 --> 00:31:47,315
After that, we were
pretty inseparable?
608
00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:48,440
Yeah.
609
00:31:48,816 --> 00:31:50,607
Yeah.
610
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:55,315
We purchased,
a house together in Stockton.
611
00:31:56,565 --> 00:31:58,899
That was...
that was the bad house though.
612
00:31:58,982 --> 00:32:01,107
Yeah, I cried
the day we bought that house,
613
00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:04,607
and I think that was
foretelling, actually.
614
00:32:04,691 --> 00:32:07,565
Anyway, we could have
stayed there very happily.
615
00:32:07,649 --> 00:32:09,899
It was in a cute
little neighborhood,
616
00:32:09,982 --> 00:32:13,565
um, the house was big enough
to have a small family,
617
00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:16,440
but as, you know,
things would work out,
618
00:32:16,524 --> 00:32:18,107
we couldn't stay there.
619
00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:33,691
We were awakened by a voice
and a bright light.
620
00:32:35,691 --> 00:32:40,732
That's pretty typical of...
of what happened,
621
00:32:40,816 --> 00:32:43,190
and that's what happened
to us as well.
622
00:32:44,857 --> 00:32:49,190
It was a real sense of...
of evil in the house.
623
00:32:51,857 --> 00:32:56,524
I sensed... every hair
follicle on my being
624
00:32:56,607 --> 00:32:58,023
stand up...
625
00:33:00,899 --> 00:33:05,148
and I understood what it meant
to have your skin crawl.
626
00:33:09,357 --> 00:33:11,816
The more uncomfortable
he could make me feel,
627
00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:14,065
seemed to be the happier he was.
628
00:33:16,899 --> 00:33:19,107
And he said I was beautiful,
629
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:21,524
bound and blindfolded and...
630
00:33:22,482 --> 00:33:23,565
shaking.
631
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:26,899
At times, I couldn't tell
if he was crying
632
00:33:27,524 --> 00:33:29,982
or if he was giggling
633
00:33:30,065 --> 00:33:33,399
like someone
who's hysterical might be.
634
00:33:36,774 --> 00:33:38,524
He would get silent
635
00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:41,565
and I would hope,
636
00:33:42,357 --> 00:33:43,857
"Okay, maybe he's gone."
637
00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:48,607
And... then I'd hear him again.
638
00:33:49,816 --> 00:33:51,315
I had no concept of time.
639
00:33:51,399 --> 00:33:55,982
It just seemed like I was in bed
bound for an eternity.
640
00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:59,357
I had no idea if it was
two hours or ten hours.
641
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,857
It went on for a couple hours
of coming and going,
642
00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,524
and, you know, coming back
643
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,440
and, you know,
torturing me some more.
644
00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:12,941
Eventually,
after about 40 minutes
645
00:34:13,023 --> 00:34:14,941
of not hearing anything,
646
00:34:17,941 --> 00:34:18,982
he was gone.
647
00:34:23,232 --> 00:34:25,691
And then it was, well,
this, you know,
648
00:34:25,774 --> 00:34:27,440
this is not over yet.
649
00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:29,899
And...
650
00:34:29,982 --> 00:34:32,107
that started phase two...
651
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,023
...of, you know,
what goes on after an attack.
652
00:34:46,107 --> 00:34:49,524
There you are, um...
653
00:34:50,774 --> 00:34:54,023
bound, incapacitated,
654
00:34:55,148 --> 00:34:56,565
in shock.
655
00:34:58,315 --> 00:35:02,482
And now there are four more men
in the room that you don't know.
656
00:35:03,899 --> 00:35:06,232
To have somebody else
sit down next to you
657
00:35:06,315 --> 00:35:08,857
while you're still unclothed
658
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,899
and, you know,
take out a knife and...
659
00:35:12,732 --> 00:35:14,941
have to cut the bindings off
660
00:35:15,023 --> 00:35:18,565
was, um... scary, too.
661
00:35:18,649 --> 00:35:20,023
It was scary, too.
662
00:35:21,691 --> 00:35:24,190
We were very quickly inundated
663
00:35:24,273 --> 00:35:27,941
with,
crime scene investigators
664
00:35:28,023 --> 00:35:31,065
and more police officers
665
00:35:31,148 --> 00:35:34,899
and,
fingerprint technicians.
666
00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:39,691
We were just, um, a piece
of evidence in our own home.
667
00:35:41,107 --> 00:35:45,273
I wasn't allowed to,
use the restroom.
668
00:35:45,357 --> 00:35:49,023
And... I remember getting up
to reach for my robe
669
00:35:49,107 --> 00:35:53,148
and being, you know, stopped...
"What are you doing?" you know,
670
00:35:53,232 --> 00:35:55,482
"Where do you think... where
do you think you're going?"
671
00:35:55,565 --> 00:35:58,732
And it's, like,
I just want to cover up myself.
672
00:35:59,565 --> 00:36:00,899
As time went on,
673
00:36:00,982 --> 00:36:03,273
they didn't have anyone
to take me to the hospital.
674
00:36:03,357 --> 00:36:05,482
I think the protocol was
that they would have
675
00:36:05,565 --> 00:36:07,941
a female officer,
but they didn't have any.
676
00:36:08,023 --> 00:36:10,482
I blocked all that out
years ago.
677
00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:14,107
I don't remember it like her,
but...
678
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,023
my defense mechanisms
are block everything out.
679
00:36:20,065 --> 00:36:24,315
That whole aftermath
goes on and...
680
00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:26,941
you end up in a county hospital
681
00:36:27,023 --> 00:36:31,232
where, again,
you have to meet with strangers
682
00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:35,857
who are going to examine
and probe and, you know,
683
00:36:35,941 --> 00:36:38,816
you just really would like
to be alone.
684
00:36:38,899 --> 00:36:43,107
You'd really like to take charge
of your being again,
685
00:36:43,941 --> 00:36:45,232
but you can't.
686
00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:50,440
And you know
that you really mustn't
687
00:36:50,524 --> 00:36:54,982
if you want the person
to be caught.
688
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,607
Daylight finally came
689
00:36:59,691 --> 00:37:02,273
about the time
I was taken back to the house.
690
00:37:04,607 --> 00:37:06,440
And they were wrapping up there.
691
00:37:08,232 --> 00:37:09,440
Our house was...
692
00:37:10,565 --> 00:37:12,482
- A wreck.
- ...a wreck.
693
00:37:13,941 --> 00:37:17,023
We had just had it
painted that week.
694
00:37:17,107 --> 00:37:19,148
All of the newly
enameled woodwork
695
00:37:19,232 --> 00:37:23,023
was covered with graphite
fingerprinting material.
696
00:37:26,148 --> 00:37:29,482
It looked a lot like
a smoke bomb had gone off.
697
00:37:33,023 --> 00:37:34,440
It was... it was just...
698
00:37:34,524 --> 00:37:37,357
Everything felt
contaminated in that house.
699
00:37:38,482 --> 00:37:40,315
And it never felt the same.
700
00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:58,232
Right as we get up here,
you can look over to the right
701
00:37:58,315 --> 00:38:00,065
and you'll see
the American River.
702
00:38:00,148 --> 00:38:02,273
This was a main thoroughfare at the time.
703
00:38:02,357 --> 00:38:03,774
And I'll take you
to number two.
704
00:38:03,857 --> 00:38:05,607
But this is where
people run and do biking?
705
00:38:05,691 --> 00:38:07,732
This is where...
the bicycle trails and all that,
706
00:38:07,816 --> 00:38:10,107
this green belt would be
where he was going
707
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,774
from one point to one point.
708
00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:13,607
We often thought
he could've had a boat
709
00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:15,399
that he was taking to and from.
710
00:38:15,482 --> 00:38:17,232
What I'm struck by
in Rancho Cordova is
711
00:38:17,315 --> 00:38:20,482
I would think that he had to do
so much surveillance.
712
00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:22,565
- He did a lot.
- But... But it... you...
713
00:38:22,649 --> 00:38:24,232
He fit in, obviously.
714
00:38:24,315 --> 00:38:25,482
Yeah.
715
00:38:27,691 --> 00:38:29,440
I really feel
this area was chosen
716
00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,273
because he was
comfortable in here
717
00:38:31,357 --> 00:38:34,774
and he, you know,
knew the area well enough
718
00:38:34,857 --> 00:38:37,607
to get in and out
as quickly as possible.
719
00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:40,732
Right around the corner,
there is river access.
720
00:38:43,232 --> 00:38:46,816
Back in the '70s,
the fog was way heavier
721
00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:49,190
than it is now
and it was so thick
722
00:38:49,273 --> 00:38:51,607
that you couldn't see feet
in front of you.
723
00:38:52,774 --> 00:38:55,399
The way he disappeared
so quickly
724
00:38:55,482 --> 00:38:59,357
with nobody
having the ability to track him.
725
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,899
Fog was a benefit
to his escape as well.
726
00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:12,399
And it's a great place to stalk
727
00:39:12,482 --> 00:39:15,190
because you have access
to all of the backyards
728
00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:17,982
where you could just walk
right up to the fence
729
00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:19,440
and look over it like this
730
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,899
and you can see everything
that's going on in that house.
731
00:39:22,982 --> 00:39:26,774
A lot of these houses didn't
have back fences at the time.
732
00:39:26,857 --> 00:39:29,816
You could be standing out
in these bushes and be watching
733
00:39:29,899 --> 00:39:34,065
everything that's going on
inside of people's homes.
734
00:39:34,148 --> 00:39:37,607
And in the evening, nobody's
gonna notice you out here.
735
00:39:37,691 --> 00:39:40,107
Like, you know, back in the day,
736
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:41,357
nobody would even think about
737
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,190
somebody being prowling around
behind the scenes.
738
00:39:45,273 --> 00:39:51,023
I feel like he was in this area
for great amounts of time.
739
00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,691
And probably knew
all the young females
740
00:39:53,774 --> 00:39:55,565
that resided in each house.
741
00:39:56,565 --> 00:39:58,941
It makes you just...
742
00:40:00,941 --> 00:40:06,065
This is the type of thing
you have to, um...
743
00:40:06,148 --> 00:40:08,732
really, you know,
take care of yourself
744
00:40:08,816 --> 00:40:11,273
- or you'll... It'll consume you.
- Right.
745
00:40:11,357 --> 00:40:14,107
'Cause this is a really
dark place to go.
746
00:40:16,357 --> 00:40:18,982
This can be very dark.
747
00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,816
When my husband,
trying not to awaken me,
748
00:41:01,899 --> 00:41:03,941
tiptoed into our bedroom
one night,
749
00:41:04,023 --> 00:41:05,273
I leaped out of bed,
750
00:41:05,357 --> 00:41:09,357
grabbed my nightstand lamp,
and swung it at his head.
751
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,357
Luckily, I missed.
752
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,857
When I saw the lamp overturned
753
00:41:12,941 --> 00:41:14,857
on the bedroom floor
in the morning,
754
00:41:14,941 --> 00:41:17,941
I remember what I'd done
and winced.
755
00:41:18,023 --> 00:41:20,565
Then, I resumed
my Talmudic study
756
00:41:20,649 --> 00:41:23,065
of the East Area Rapist.
757
00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:25,565
She would have very,
very vivid dreams.
758
00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,816
So when she would...
When I would wake her up,
759
00:41:27,899 --> 00:41:29,399
she'd be still half
in the dream.
760
00:41:29,482 --> 00:41:32,148
Be like, "God,
please, please."
761
00:41:32,232 --> 00:41:34,816
One time, she ran out
of the back of the house,
762
00:41:34,899 --> 00:41:36,982
trying to get out
of the house, and I'm like,
763
00:41:37,065 --> 00:41:39,565
"You are g... what is...
you're gonna end up...
764
00:41:39,649 --> 00:41:41,816
you're gonna run into the pool
or something like that,
765
00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:44,148
or what are you do..."
You know. It was just this...
766
00:41:44,232 --> 00:41:46,691
But again, a very, very vivid,
767
00:41:46,774 --> 00:41:49,524
very, very present mind,
and that was one of the...
768
00:41:49,607 --> 00:41:52,774
I guess, one of the...
the costs of it. I don't know.
769
00:41:58,399 --> 00:42:01,524
This idea
of the DIY detective,
770
00:42:01,607 --> 00:42:03,399
or these kind of
digital sleuths,
771
00:42:03,482 --> 00:42:07,357
are essentially amateur
obsessives
772
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,065
who congregate online.
773
00:42:10,148 --> 00:42:13,565
And there are anywhere
from tens to hundreds
774
00:42:13,649 --> 00:42:15,023
to thousands of people
775
00:42:15,107 --> 00:42:17,691
who are essentially operating
as this hive mind.
776
00:42:17,774 --> 00:42:19,399
Hey, Paul, it's Michelle.
777
00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:22,315
If you have time, I have
a little research question
778
00:42:22,399 --> 00:42:26,190
that I would love answered,
which is the following...
779
00:42:26,273 --> 00:42:29,524
Michelle met Paul Haynes
on this message board
780
00:42:29,607 --> 00:42:32,482
and he came on to really help
with the research
781
00:42:32,565 --> 00:42:34,107
for the magazine article.
782
00:42:37,107 --> 00:42:39,399
Paul and Michelle
were this perfect kind of team
783
00:42:39,482 --> 00:42:44,107
because she's like the lyrics
and he's the tempo.
784
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:47,107
He did incredible data mining.
785
00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:50,273
Something that was
really important
786
00:42:50,357 --> 00:42:52,899
to Los Angeles Magazine,
to me as an editor, to Michelle,
787
00:42:52,982 --> 00:42:54,399
and to anyone
who's been tracking this case,
788
00:42:54,482 --> 00:42:56,607
is making sure that you got
your facts straight.
789
00:42:56,691 --> 00:42:58,482
And we relied on Paul a lot.
790
00:42:58,565 --> 00:43:00,107
He would just go laser deep.
791
00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:01,565
And what Michelle could do
792
00:43:01,649 --> 00:43:04,482
was spin these stories
in a really beautiful way.
793
00:43:06,857 --> 00:43:08,399
Just let me in. Jesus.
794
00:43:08,482 --> 00:43:09,482
What's the big deal?
795
00:43:09,565 --> 00:43:12,107
I just have no patience
for stop and go traffic.
796
00:43:13,273 --> 00:43:15,232
Moving to LA was a big move
for me
797
00:43:15,315 --> 00:43:17,482
after having spent
the better part of a decade
798
00:43:17,565 --> 00:43:18,857
in Florida.
799
00:43:18,941 --> 00:43:23,148
But when Michelle invited me
to be her research collaborator,
800
00:43:23,232 --> 00:43:24,732
it was a very
exciting opportunity
801
00:43:24,816 --> 00:43:26,899
to be directly involved
with this case
802
00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:28,774
and have my interest,
803
00:43:28,857 --> 00:43:31,816
which previously
I'd been ashamed of
804
00:43:31,899 --> 00:43:35,148
and felt was impractical
and odd, legitimized.
805
00:43:36,649 --> 00:43:38,107
I moved here in November,
806
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,440
and she invited me to spend
my first Thanksgiving in L.A.
807
00:43:41,524 --> 00:43:44,023
with her and Patton
and their friends and family.
808
00:43:45,232 --> 00:43:46,982
She liked to cook a lot.
809
00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:48,649
She really liked to cook.
810
00:43:48,732 --> 00:43:52,065
She was not a great cook,
but she really tried.
811
00:43:52,148 --> 00:43:54,982
So much, so often.
812
00:43:55,065 --> 00:43:57,607
Um, she was...
she was, like, had the heart,
813
00:43:57,691 --> 00:43:59,691
you know what I mean?
Like, she had the heart.
814
00:44:01,148 --> 00:44:03,524
That Thanksgiving,
I probably did everything.
815
00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:05,982
In fact, I...
I know I did everything.
816
00:44:06,774 --> 00:44:08,232
She just had work to do.
817
00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:09,649
She was finishing the article,
818
00:44:09,732 --> 00:44:11,607
but she just really wanted it
to be good,
819
00:44:11,691 --> 00:44:13,148
so she just went upstairs.
820
00:44:13,232 --> 00:44:15,023
Like, we had that kind of
friendship, like...
821
00:44:15,107 --> 00:44:18,023
I just came in her house
and I knew where everything was
822
00:44:18,107 --> 00:44:19,857
and I made dinner.
823
00:44:20,565 --> 00:44:21,941
I was in a panic.
824
00:44:22,023 --> 00:44:24,399
We were hosting Thanksgiving,
and the second draft
825
00:44:24,482 --> 00:44:27,649
of my 7,000-word story
was due Tuesday.
826
00:44:27,732 --> 00:44:31,941
I'd sent out SOS emails,
brief and frank pleas for help
827
00:44:32,023 --> 00:44:34,273
that I hoped
would be understood.
828
00:44:34,357 --> 00:44:36,273
I wasn't myself, though.
829
00:44:36,357 --> 00:44:38,649
Impatience roiled.
830
00:44:38,732 --> 00:44:40,607
I made a bigger deal
than I needed to
831
00:44:40,691 --> 00:44:43,649
that Patton bought
an undersized turkey.
832
00:44:43,732 --> 00:44:45,023
But we understood that
about each other,
833
00:44:45,107 --> 00:44:46,482
like, "Go have your time."
834
00:44:46,565 --> 00:44:48,315
You need hours and hours
and hours
835
00:44:48,399 --> 00:44:49,607
to get to the deep stuff.
836
00:44:49,691 --> 00:44:51,357
You know, when you need...
when you...
837
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,482
When someone says they need
five hours to write,
838
00:44:53,565 --> 00:44:56,273
they need an hour to write,
but they need the other hours
839
00:44:56,357 --> 00:44:59,857
to get down to those depths
to start the writing.
840
00:45:14,524 --> 00:45:16,023
When I was a kid,
841
00:45:16,107 --> 00:45:19,941
my family bought a summer place
on the shore of Lake Michigan.
842
00:45:22,273 --> 00:45:25,315
The first couple of summers,
I didn't really know
843
00:45:25,399 --> 00:45:28,190
any of the other kids
in the area.
844
00:45:28,273 --> 00:45:31,107
So I spent a lot of time
on the couch,
845
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:33,357
on the screened-in front porch,
846
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,941
reading Agatha Christie novels.
847
00:45:37,816 --> 00:45:41,357
My interest in writing
began on that porch.
848
00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:46,691
As a writer,
you could lead a reader
849
00:45:46,774 --> 00:45:48,857
through the act of discovery.
850
00:45:53,565 --> 00:45:56,565
I was amazed
that someone had constructed
851
00:45:56,649 --> 00:45:58,982
these intricate mysteries,
852
00:45:59,065 --> 00:46:01,565
that an actual human being,
853
00:46:01,649 --> 00:46:04,857
a woman,
had plotted and twisted
854
00:46:04,941 --> 00:46:07,649
and carefully
maintained curiosity
855
00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:10,857
so that you never knew
who had done it
856
00:46:10,941 --> 00:46:12,941
until the very end.
857
00:46:19,565 --> 00:46:21,607
Yeah, it's...
it's just, there's so many...
858
00:46:21,691 --> 00:46:23,899
When you think of all the lives
this guy ruined,
859
00:46:23,982 --> 00:46:26,732
and not just the victims,
it just goes on and on and on.
860
00:46:26,816 --> 00:46:29,607
It's... it's... it's...
Exponentially, you know.
861
00:46:29,691 --> 00:46:31,440
- Right. Right.
- Yeah.
862
00:46:31,524 --> 00:46:35,065
I've worked
some really bad cases,
863
00:46:35,524 --> 00:46:36,732
and...
864
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,982
this series...
865
00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:44,232
affected me
emotionally and mentally
866
00:46:44,315 --> 00:46:46,399
because there was
no resolution.
867
00:46:47,065 --> 00:46:48,107
Everywhere I went,
868
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,607
it's, "How come you guys
haven't caught that guy?"
869
00:46:50,691 --> 00:46:52,774
There was a lot of...
I wouldn't call it hysteria,
870
00:46:52,857 --> 00:46:55,107
but gun sales went out the roof.
871
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,941
Burglary rates went from 1,400
in a month down to 200.
872
00:46:58,023 --> 00:46:59,899
Sacramento women who have never
873
00:46:59,982 --> 00:47:01,565
fired a gun before...
874
00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:04,315
...are now learning how to shoot
in larger and larger numbers.
875
00:47:04,399 --> 00:47:05,941
Gun sales are way up,
876
00:47:06,023 --> 00:47:07,691
with some of the buyers
not that familiar
877
00:47:07,774 --> 00:47:10,399
with how to use firearms,
and that can be dangerous.
878
00:47:10,482 --> 00:47:12,982
We had one citizen
that actually shot a person
879
00:47:13,065 --> 00:47:14,023
and killed him.
880
00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:16,774
And, um,
when it came time,
881
00:47:16,857 --> 00:47:18,899
for him to go
to superior court,
882
00:47:18,982 --> 00:47:21,732
the judge said,
"Anybody in the community
883
00:47:21,816 --> 00:47:23,816
at that time
would have done the same thing."
884
00:47:23,899 --> 00:47:25,440
And they dropped the charges.
885
00:47:26,565 --> 00:47:28,774
Back in those days...
886
00:47:28,857 --> 00:47:30,524
...it was very, very...
887
00:47:31,565 --> 00:47:32,982
very difficult
888
00:47:33,065 --> 00:47:34,774
to get departments
to work together.
889
00:47:34,857 --> 00:47:37,315
When the East Area Rapist
left our jurisdiction
890
00:47:37,399 --> 00:47:38,857
and went into the city,
891
00:47:38,941 --> 00:47:40,691
then he went to Stockton
and Modesto
892
00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:43,023
and started expanding,
893
00:47:43,107 --> 00:47:45,691
there was sort of a lack
of communication
894
00:47:45,774 --> 00:47:46,899
between the agencies
895
00:47:46,982 --> 00:47:50,148
because "You guys
couldn't catch him, we will."
896
00:47:50,232 --> 00:47:52,023
And that was the attitude.
897
00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:56,232
In two cases in my area,
I was kicked out of the town,
898
00:47:56,315 --> 00:47:59,357
told they didn't need my help,
didn't want my help.
899
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,482
Two weeks later,
they get hit again.
900
00:48:01,565 --> 00:48:05,232
Just because agencies
didn't work together.
901
00:48:08,357 --> 00:48:11,524
I remember there was a day
902
00:48:11,607 --> 00:48:14,357
that I was on the phone
903
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,607
telling my friend
what had happened.
904
00:48:18,357 --> 00:48:20,107
And my dad...
905
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,148
I guess had picked up
the other line and heard me.
906
00:48:25,232 --> 00:48:30,482
And I got in a lot of trouble
for telling anybody.
907
00:48:31,941 --> 00:48:33,023
And, um...
908
00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:37,982
and I... I think at that moment,
909
00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:42,899
that would probably be
the beginning feeling of shame.
910
00:48:42,982 --> 00:48:46,691
I felt shame, I felt like,
"Did I wear something?
911
00:48:46,774 --> 00:48:48,482
How did he pick me out?"
912
00:48:50,482 --> 00:48:52,107
There was this thought
913
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:55,440
that you were raped
based on your beauty
914
00:48:55,524 --> 00:48:59,565
or your clothing
or your action
915
00:48:59,649 --> 00:49:02,357
and not that something is wrong
with the man
916
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,732
that can't control
these urges.
917
00:49:05,816 --> 00:49:07,565
This was something to do
with him
918
00:49:07,649 --> 00:49:09,273
that had nothing to do
919
00:49:09,357 --> 00:49:10,982
with the woman
who was his victim.
920
00:49:11,065 --> 00:49:13,107
And it was a time where...
921
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:16,941
somehow, it always came back
to being the woman's fault.
922
00:49:17,023 --> 00:49:18,649
The woman who allows herself
923
00:49:18,732 --> 00:49:21,357
to be seen undressing
or partially clothed
924
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,941
is the woman
who invites trouble.
925
00:49:24,023 --> 00:49:25,982
Here again,
we see lack of awareness,
926
00:49:26,065 --> 00:49:28,273
plus invitational behavior.
927
00:49:28,357 --> 00:49:30,565
You even had cops
saying, you know,
928
00:49:30,649 --> 00:49:33,482
"Well, at least he got
the pretty one of the sisters."
929
00:49:36,399 --> 00:49:40,107
That culture would never know
how to ask the right questions
930
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:43,273
or say the right things
to a female victim.
931
00:49:43,357 --> 00:49:47,023
The law and procedure
allowed at that time,
932
00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:48,357
the late '70s,
933
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,482
that a rape victim
could be routinely asked
934
00:49:52,565 --> 00:49:56,023
to take a polygraph exam
935
00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:58,065
or to see a psychiatrist.
936
00:49:58,148 --> 00:50:02,482
When people find out
about this violent attack,
937
00:50:02,565 --> 00:50:04,190
it's like, "Well,
938
00:50:04,273 --> 00:50:07,482
how did you get yourself
into that position?"
939
00:50:07,565 --> 00:50:10,732
Or, um,
"Why didn't you somehow
940
00:50:10,816 --> 00:50:13,482
get yourself
out of that position?"
941
00:50:13,565 --> 00:50:16,107
You know, even some
of my best friends would...
942
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:18,148
like,
"You couldn't do anything?"
943
00:50:18,232 --> 00:50:19,732
You know what I mean?
944
00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:21,565
Just couldn't do anything.
945
00:50:24,107 --> 00:50:26,649
There wasn't anything
to be done.
946
00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:30,190
I couldn't have done anything
if I'd had a gun on the...
947
00:50:30,273 --> 00:50:32,816
on the bed table, you know?
You're just...
948
00:50:32,899 --> 00:50:35,232
You don't mess around
when somebody,
949
00:50:36,273 --> 00:50:39,524
you know, has full control
of the situation.
950
00:50:39,607 --> 00:50:42,565
And there was no mistaking
that he was serious.
951
00:50:58,816 --> 00:51:00,399
Carol and I both have said
952
00:51:00,482 --> 00:51:01,607
he's going to kill somebody.
953
00:51:01,691 --> 00:51:03,899
The guy's getting more
and more brutal as he goes.
954
00:51:03,982 --> 00:51:05,857
More and more violent.
955
00:51:05,941 --> 00:51:09,982
I just had this
very, very strong feeling.
956
00:51:10,065 --> 00:51:12,023
I talked to,
the psychiatrist
957
00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:13,440
at the Vacaville Medical Center
958
00:51:13,524 --> 00:51:15,899
that worked
with the rapists there.
959
00:51:15,982 --> 00:51:18,565
And I gave her some reports,
and she said,
960
00:51:18,649 --> 00:51:20,732
"Okay, come back next week.
961
00:51:20,816 --> 00:51:23,399
I'm gonna talk to my rapists
in here."
962
00:51:23,482 --> 00:51:25,732
The best thing to do
if you're in a rape situation
963
00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:28,732
is submit, submit,
submit until it hurts.
964
00:51:28,816 --> 00:51:31,816
Because it's gonna hurt
a lot less in the long run.
965
00:51:31,899 --> 00:51:33,399
If I'm willing to kill you,
966
00:51:33,482 --> 00:51:35,440
the first move you make,
you're gonna be dead.
967
00:51:35,524 --> 00:51:37,232
The woman that I was with,
968
00:51:37,315 --> 00:51:39,315
she fought back
and she's dead.
969
00:51:40,524 --> 00:51:43,357
I went back the next week
and, she said,
970
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,023
"You had better catch him.
971
00:51:45,107 --> 00:51:48,315
He wants to kill,
and he is going to kill."
972
00:51:48,399 --> 00:51:50,482
And I said,
"Why hasn't he killed?"
973
00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:53,482
And she said, "He hasn't
found the justification."
974
00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:55,357
And I said,
"What's the justification?"
975
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,315
And she said, "I don't know,
but it'll get there."
976
00:51:58,399 --> 00:52:00,148
Of course, we didn't know
at the time
977
00:52:00,232 --> 00:52:01,691
that he'd already killed.
978
00:52:05,899 --> 00:52:08,941
The house right here,
979
00:52:09,023 --> 00:52:12,774
the Maggiores were killed
right outside the fence.
980
00:52:12,857 --> 00:52:15,857
This is where she was shot and
killed and came right out of.
981
00:52:15,941 --> 00:52:18,065
Did you feel at the
time that that was related?
982
00:52:18,148 --> 00:52:20,774
During the time
of the East Area Rapist attack,
983
00:52:20,857 --> 00:52:24,023
I had never heard
about these homicides.
984
00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:32,565
The same owners still reside
in these residences
985
00:52:32,649 --> 00:52:34,607
where this happened.
986
00:52:34,691 --> 00:52:37,649
And then, one of the witnesses
lived right here.
987
00:52:37,732 --> 00:52:39,148
I heard five shots,
988
00:52:39,232 --> 00:52:41,732
and I jumped
and looked out the window.
989
00:52:41,816 --> 00:52:45,982
And I saw a man
run down the sidewalk.
990
00:52:46,065 --> 00:52:48,440
And I saw the boy
across the street.
991
00:52:48,524 --> 00:52:51,565
He came running, running down...
right down the sidewalk.
992
00:52:51,649 --> 00:52:55,524
And he came right up
on the lawn next to the tree.
993
00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:58,565
And then right...
right as he came to the tree,
994
00:52:58,649 --> 00:53:01,399
he looked up and he saw me
standing right here.
995
00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:04,399
And he was pretty surprised,
996
00:53:04,482 --> 00:53:06,107
turned around
as quick as he could.
997
00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:09,482
He just turned around and just
headed straight down there
998
00:53:09,565 --> 00:53:12,565
towards the fire hydrant
around the corner.
999
00:53:12,649 --> 00:53:15,524
The Maggiores
were out walking their dog.
1000
00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:18,190
They were seen running
1001
00:53:18,273 --> 00:53:20,982
and went through this backyard
1002
00:53:21,065 --> 00:53:22,899
where they were attacked.
1003
00:53:22,982 --> 00:53:26,816
The fact that they were
chased down and shot,
1004
00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:29,273
like, Katie was shot
right in the head,
1005
00:53:29,357 --> 00:53:31,816
made me think
that they had seen his face
1006
00:53:31,899 --> 00:53:33,857
and they could identify him.
1007
00:53:33,941 --> 00:53:38,107
I'm an art student
and I drew out a picture of him
1008
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:40,774
standing next to the tree,
because I saw him, and I saw...
1009
00:53:40,857 --> 00:53:43,399
I drew a picture of him
running down.
1010
00:53:44,649 --> 00:53:47,440
It's believed
that the composite
1011
00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:49,857
that was released
at the time
1012
00:53:49,941 --> 00:53:54,857
was very close to, um,
what the attacker looked like.
1013
00:53:54,941 --> 00:53:57,899
I didn't work
the Maggiore homicides
1014
00:53:57,982 --> 00:54:00,399
because it was completely
different MO.
1015
00:54:00,482 --> 00:54:02,899
Okay, this isn't in a home
in a rape case,
1016
00:54:02,982 --> 00:54:06,190
but this is a prowler
in a ski mask.
1017
00:54:06,273 --> 00:54:09,524
A pre-tied ligature
was also found at the scene,
1018
00:54:09,607 --> 00:54:14,315
which was a common knot
that the East Area Rapist used.
1019
00:54:14,399 --> 00:54:16,190
There were officers
that said "Yeah,
1020
00:54:16,273 --> 00:54:17,732
I think it could've been
the East Area Rapist,"
1021
00:54:17,816 --> 00:54:19,732
and others said,
"No, I don't think it was."
1022
00:54:19,816 --> 00:54:21,357
That was a huge debate
1023
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,524
because we don't know
for sure what happened.
1024
00:54:23,607 --> 00:54:27,691
But the idea
that most people believe
1025
00:54:27,774 --> 00:54:29,982
is that they encountered EAR
1026
00:54:30,065 --> 00:54:33,315
and, they were killed
because of that.
1027
00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:37,107
And they were just walking?
1028
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:38,941
Yeah. It was so sad.
1029
00:54:39,023 --> 00:54:41,524
They were just married.
1030
00:54:43,232 --> 00:54:45,023
Whatever they saw,
1031
00:54:45,857 --> 00:54:47,816
they had to die for it.
1032
00:54:50,524 --> 00:54:53,774
I really did... think
1033
00:54:53,857 --> 00:54:55,982
that they were going to...
to catch him.
1034
00:54:56,065 --> 00:54:58,941
And it was, um...
1035
00:54:59,023 --> 00:55:03,607
a hard pill to swallow
as the years went by,
1036
00:55:03,691 --> 00:55:07,691
that he could've gotten away
with these kinds of things.
1037
00:55:15,899 --> 00:55:20,482
I really did think
that they were going to...
1038
00:55:20,565 --> 00:55:22,691
to catch him.
1039
00:55:24,399 --> 00:55:26,273
I mimicked
the bedtime routine
1040
00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:27,774
of a normal person...
1041
00:55:29,524 --> 00:55:32,440
but after my husband
and daughter fell asleep,
1042
00:55:33,649 --> 00:55:36,607
I hunted the killer
with my laptop,
1043
00:55:36,691 --> 00:55:40,732
the 15-inch hatch
of endless possibilities.
1044
00:55:53,065 --> 00:55:55,107
You know, he stole very
specific things from people.
1045
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:56,899
Not necessarily
valuable things,
1046
00:55:56,982 --> 00:55:59,190
but things that meant something
to his victim.
1047
00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:01,857
A lot of them were initialed,
monogrammed, things like that.
1048
00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,524
And in my interviews
with detectives,
1049
00:56:03,607 --> 00:56:05,315
I would say, "Have you ever
tried to follow up
1050
00:56:05,399 --> 00:56:07,691
and see if these were on eBay
or anything like that?"
1051
00:56:07,774 --> 00:56:10,190
And that just wasn't something
they did.
1052
00:56:10,273 --> 00:56:13,524
My thinking was, who's to say
some guy didn't die
1053
00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:16,524
and you have to clear out
your weird uncle's storage.
1054
00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,440
Then, suddenly, you've just
put those on eBay,
1055
00:56:18,524 --> 00:56:19,857
and we could find that.
1056
00:56:19,941 --> 00:56:21,941
So I just started
to keep a list.
1057
00:56:23,107 --> 00:56:25,524
The cufflinks,
a family heirloom,
1058
00:56:25,607 --> 00:56:28,524
were an unusual 1950s style
1059
00:56:28,607 --> 00:56:32,232
and monogrammed
with the initials "NR."
1060
00:56:32,315 --> 00:56:35,315
Michelle had been, you know,
late night, bleary eyed,
1061
00:56:35,399 --> 00:56:38,607
looking online,
the latest, like, possible clue,
1062
00:56:38,691 --> 00:56:41,982
and she had stumbled
upon a pair of cufflinks.
1063
00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,899
The same style of cufflinks
1064
00:56:43,982 --> 00:56:46,023
as sketched out
in the police file,
1065
00:56:46,107 --> 00:56:47,732
with the same initials.
1066
00:56:47,816 --> 00:56:49,357
The idea was...
1067
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,816
were these the cufflinks
1068
00:56:50,899 --> 00:56:53,732
that the Golden State Killer
had stolen,
1069
00:56:53,816 --> 00:56:56,273
that then surfaced somewhere
in Oregon?
1070
00:56:56,357 --> 00:56:57,982
And if these were
the cufflinks,
1071
00:56:58,065 --> 00:57:01,774
then there might be a way
to trace who sold them to whom
1072
00:57:01,857 --> 00:57:05,399
and kind of do this, like,
chain of where and how...
1073
00:57:05,482 --> 00:57:07,065
where it came from.
1074
00:57:07,148 --> 00:57:09,732
I walked down
the hallway to my bedroom.
1075
00:57:09,816 --> 00:57:12,524
My husband
was on his side sleeping.
1076
00:57:12,607 --> 00:57:15,440
I sat on the edge of the bed
and stared at him
1077
00:57:15,524 --> 00:57:17,315
until he opened his eyes.
1078
00:57:18,899 --> 00:57:21,982
"I think I found him," I said.
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