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MADISON HAMBURG: When wasthe last time you saw Mom?
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BARBARA "ALI" HAMBURG: That day,I was running late for school,
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and Mom took me.
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She gave me a kiss, she saidshe loved me,
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and she left me at school.
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MADISON:
What do you think happened?
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♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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We all were coming up
with theories.
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There was some type
of a confrontation or something.
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MAN: The personwas very emotional, very angry,
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and it usually tells youthat there is a relationship.
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ALI:
There's a rift in our family
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because of the murder.
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CONWAY: I may second guesswho I think it is at this point.
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MADISON: It's so hard to knowwho to trust.
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[TV static drones]
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[bright tone]
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[soft dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- Vamos.
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[car horn honks]
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♪ ♪
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- Hey.
- Hi.
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- Hi! Oh, my God!
- How are you?
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- Oh, my goodness.
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I have not seen you
in, like, forever.
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- So long.
- Oh.
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- How are you, sweetheart?
- Good. How are you?
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- So good to see you
You okay?
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- I'm doing well.
- How was your journey?
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- We're tired.
- Yeah, I bet.
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- Going in for a kiss.
- [chuckles]
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- Oh, my God!
- Hi, Grammy.
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- Oh, I don't believe it, oh.
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Today that looks
so much like you.
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- Really?
- Uh-huh.
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And she was a really neat lady,
and I go,
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"She looks
like my granddaughter."
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♪ ♪
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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- I've been told.
- Oh.
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- How's it coming?
Is it coming along?
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- Yeah.
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- I don't know
how you deal with it.
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You know?
- Yeah.
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- And you're trying to solve
a murder and tell a story.
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It's a lot. Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
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- Solving a murder
and telling a story,
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it's a lot.
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- Took Stacey,
like, I don't know,
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eight hours to get up here,
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and they're
a couple hours away.
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- Think you'regonna get married?
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- I think so.
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- Can I meet him first?- Yeah.
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That's the idea.
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The ideais that you'd be there.
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- I'd like that.- Yeah, I'd like that.
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- Would you want to knowwhat happened?
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- To Mom?- To Mom?
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- Yeah.
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It would be importantfor everyone to know,
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to have--you know what I mean?
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I think that...
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you are the only person
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who can truly empathize with me
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because you're
also Mom's child,
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you know what I mean?
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Who can truly understand,
you know what I mean?
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[train horn blowing]
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- Yeah.
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- I feel like loss is different
for everyone, you know?
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It's different when it's--yeah.
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And that's why...
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it's so important for us
to have each other.
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Yeah.
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How are you?
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- I'm good.
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I'm just obsessedwith finding an answer
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'cause I just want know.
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I feel like I block out
a lot of stuff,
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a lot of emotions about it,
you know?
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And sometimes, like,
my connection to her is...
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distanced.
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It's like she's a character
from a story to me right now,
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and it's kind of--I don't know
if it's healthy or not.
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I think I kind of overlooked--
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I just pressed everyone
really hard,
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and it's really traumatic,
and it--
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I just don't want
to hurt anyone.
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- Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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all: ♪ To you ♪
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♪ Happy birthday ♪
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♪ Dear Chris ♪
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♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
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- Blow it out, Chris!
Blow out the candle!
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- Whoo, he did it!
Yay!
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[indistinct chatter]
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[soft music]
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- Who are those kids?
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- There's Conway.
- It's Conway.
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- That's Doug.
- Yeah, this is--
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- That's Madison.
- I still have this CD.
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- That's Madison.
- Check out that hair.
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♪ ♪
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- Madison stealing
the show as always.
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Molly.
So pretty, Grammy.
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- There it is.
- Wow.
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- Here comes the Barbie scene.
- There's Mom.
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- Yay.
- Oh, and there I am.
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- And Ali.
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♪ ♪
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- Oh.
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- Oh, God.
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[laughter]
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♪ ♪
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- Oh, dear.
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[laughter]
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♪ ♪
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[laughter]
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♪ ♪
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- It's not--yeah.
It's not.
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It just all breaks my heart
a little bit, man.
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♪ ♪
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- I'm glad
that you're having fun.
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[laughter]
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Who the hell says?
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[laughter]
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♪ ♪
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- I love you.
- I'll see you in a few weeks.
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- You too.
- Thank you for everything.
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- All right, take care.
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What do you thinkI'm looking for
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with this project?
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- You want to knowwhy it happened
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and also to know who Mom was.
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- What do you hope that I get?
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- Peace.
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♪ ♪
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[dramatic music]
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- ♪ Mm ♪
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♪ Mm ♪
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♪ ♪
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- Ball?- Oh, I see.
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You want Mommyto get your ball?
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You want Mommyto get the ball?
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- ♪ Ooh, ooh-ooh ♪
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- Good boy.- Ball!
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Ball.- ♪ Mm, mm, mm, mm ♪
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- What?You wanna get in there?
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You want meto put you in there?
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No?
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Then what do you want?- Ball.
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- You want your ball?
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- ♪ Mm, mm ♪
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- That's a good boy.
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Maddy.Madison.
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- I'm sure I'm getting blamed
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for lots of thingsin that family.
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- I'm sure.
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- Well, there's many victims.
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- Yeah.
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- I feel the same way
about my mom.
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One day, I hope to be able
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to talk about
all this stuff with you.
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- So if I come to New York
and we talk in person,
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can we talk about stuff?
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[somber music]
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- [sighs]
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It's a shame...
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where we are now,
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the fact that it's--
everything's so unclear
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and just sort of lingering,
you know?
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- Mm.
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- It's starting to sprinkle.
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- I know.
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- Look at my little
thing I made.
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- It's cool.
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- It's my little sitting area.
- It's nice.
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- It's really sweet when it's--
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Yeah, this is a trailer, dude.
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Sorry, I'm a little nervous.
- You're good.
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- It's just every time
we reopen, I...
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- I know.
- Struggle, so I apologize.
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- I can imagine.
- Yeah.
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I found some things
of your mom's.
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- Like what?
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- You know, the most important
thing to me is--
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if you'll give me one second.
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This is the purse
that your mother was carrying
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the day she was murdered.
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- Oh, my God, that's the purse
on her--on the lawn?
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- Yes, I told the police--
- They released it?
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- I told the police
I'd put it in the house.
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- And they never--
- Took it.
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This is why I think
something very bad
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is wrong with
Madison Police Department.
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- I feel like we shouldn't
even be touching this stuff.
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- It's--they didn't
fingerprint it.
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- It's, like, evidence.
- They didn't do anything.
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You know how many times I've
had to pack it and remove it?
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- Did you read this thing?
- No.
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- "This being human
is a guest house.
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"Every morning a new arrival.
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"A joy, a depression,
a meanness,
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"some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.
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"Welcome and attend them all!
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"Even if they're
a crowd of sorrows
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"who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
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"still, treat
each guest honorably.
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"Be grateful
for whoever comes,
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because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond."
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♪ ♪
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- Okay, so this is
the other stuff
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I wanted you to see.
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- What is this?
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This is from my mom
to her divorce attorney.
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- Yes.
- Where was all of this stuff?
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- When they opened upthe house,
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she had piles of stuff--
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- From the divorce or...- Yeah.
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- "I feel it necessary
to give you the entire scope
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"of the situation in order
for you to represent me
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"to your best ability.
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"I have many concerns,
and once you know all of them,
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"I know you will know
the best course of action
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"that we should proceed with.
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"Jeff and I were married
for 13 years.
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"He started a number
of companies.
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"One in particular brought him
overseas to the Middle East.
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"He was extremely paranoid
about his deals
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"and wouldn't discuss them
with me.
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"He said his phoneswere tapped
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"and his mailwas tampered with.
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"Jeff began to basicallylive in the Middle East
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"and visit us at home.
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"The FBI started calling
and looking for Jeff.
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"They came to our home
on a number of occasions,
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"but Jeff was always
out of the country.
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"Jeff is being investigated
for money laundering
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"to the tune of $200 million
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"using an oil barge
in the Middle East.
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"He has three
separate passports
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"in different names.
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"I was afraid of him,
the FBI,
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"how he had ruined
numerous people's lives,
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"that I would be next and that
he would take the children.
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"He threatened methat if anyone,
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"government or not,came after him
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that I would go downwith him."
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Jesus Christ.
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Wow. Wait, wait.
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"I also need to have
a will made out.
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"Could you please let me know
when you could do that?
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"I have documents,
computer discs,
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"names, bank accounts,
and more
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"that would benefit
the INTERPOL investigation.
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"They are kept in a safe place
with instructions
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"to be sent to INTERPOL
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in the event
something should happen to me."
262
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What the f--
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[dramatic music]
264
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♪ ♪
265
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She sends that thing
to a lawyer,
266
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and then four
or five years later,
267
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she's murdered.
268
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That's something,
like, I've thought of
269
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in the back of my head.
270
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Like, if my mom
was scared for her life,
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would she ever give me a sign?
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♪ ♪
273
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More divorce stuff.
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Bank stuff.
275
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This is credit card stuff.
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So much shit.
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♪ ♪
278
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What is this?
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Pinnacle One.
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"We now have ready
1.2 billion U.S. dollars."
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♪ ♪
282
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These are all,
like, tax returns
283
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of businesses
I've never heard of.
284
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Anova Technologies.
285
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So many accounts, man.
286
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I'm looking at hundredsof millions of dollars
287
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on contractswith my dad's name
288
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at the bottom of all of it.
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$250 million on contracts,
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mentions of, like,Prague and Dubai.
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$50 million tranches,
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profits will be splitbetween all of the partners.
293
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It's just kind of insane.
294
00:14:38,589 --> 00:14:40,339
What is this?- Based on what we found
295
00:14:40,422 --> 00:14:42,712
in the file box,
it looks like these are
296
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sketches of money transfers
297
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which look very shady.
298
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- So Pinnacle One,
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a company that,
on some of these papers,
300
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my dad claims
to be the CEO of...
301
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- Correct.
302
00:14:54,839 --> 00:14:56,209
- Was transferring moneyto Aston Rothbury,
303
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which we know was run bya convicted money launderer...
304
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- Correct.
305
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- To Anchor Bank
306
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in Switzerland,
307
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which has been accusedof money laundering,
308
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and to Bank of Cyprus,which has faced charges
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for money laundering.- Yep.
310
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You shouldn't be
transferring money
311
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to all these different banks
that you--
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in countries that you don't
have any business in.
313
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It's very strange.
314
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♪ ♪
315
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- My backgroundis financial crime,
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and as we say in the college,we follow the money.
317
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- One of the thingsthat we found
318
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was that the languageof the contracts
319
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that have my dad's nameon them and our home address
320
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match this thingcalled a prime bank program.
321
00:15:40,005 --> 00:15:42,795
- People buy and sell
bank guarantees
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and use them to invest moneyinto different banks,
323
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but a lot of times,it's actually just a scam.
324
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- So I want to add some moreinsanity to all this.
325
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These are all shell companies,
326
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meaning they exist on paper.
327
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- Okay.
- All right?
328
00:15:58,673 --> 00:16:01,883
The majority of all this paperis just paper.
329
00:16:01,964 --> 00:16:04,464
The letters are fake, right?
330
00:16:04,547 --> 00:16:06,917
Or obviously, they're a scamto a specific customer
331
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on the prime bank.- Right.
332
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- You'll see where it says,
333
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"The guarantee is governedby the latest revision
334
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of the Uniform Customsand practice as,"
335
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blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
336
00:16:18,214 --> 00:16:19,304
- Right.
337
00:16:19,381 --> 00:16:21,801
- There was actuallya fraud alert that went out
338
00:16:21,881 --> 00:16:24,301
that that's totally fraud.
- Wow.
339
00:16:24,381 --> 00:16:26,961
- This is all pretty muchsmoke and mirrors.
340
00:16:27,047 --> 00:16:29,167
- Is there any, like,
reasonable explanation
341
00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:30,795
for all of this stuff?
342
00:16:30,881 --> 00:16:33,801
Like, any just
regular business practice?
343
00:16:33,881 --> 00:16:36,051
- [chuckles]No.
344
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- After he lost his jobat Southern Electric,
345
00:16:43,339 --> 00:16:46,589
he started his own business,
which was RoadTrac.
346
00:16:48,255 --> 00:16:51,005
Jeff gave me an opportunityto come work for him.
347
00:16:51,089 --> 00:16:54,049
You know, it all seemed
like it was a great opportunity
348
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for me to get in
on the ground floor
349
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of a business.
350
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For me, it just seemedas though something
351
00:17:00,923 --> 00:17:03,673
wasn't quite rightwith the whole thing
352
00:17:03,756 --> 00:17:06,336
'cause he would
give me stories, you know,
353
00:17:06,422 --> 00:17:11,212
that we were trying to get
people to invest money and--
354
00:17:11,297 --> 00:17:12,757
crazy stories,
355
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like put a million dollars in,
356
00:17:14,255 --> 00:17:16,505
and six months later,
we'd have $10 million out,
357
00:17:16,589 --> 00:17:18,049
and we'd all be making
a ton of money,
358
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and I just
didn't understand it.
359
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I made the decision that
if it doesn't sound right,
360
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it's probably not right,
361
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so I questioned him about it,
362
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and from that moment on,I was out.
363
00:17:30,631 --> 00:17:34,261
He called me from overseas
on the phone one day and said,
364
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"Sorry, man, it's over."
365
00:17:36,547 --> 00:17:39,837
I went hometo three young kids
366
00:17:39,923 --> 00:17:42,553
flat broke and without a job,
367
00:17:42,631 --> 00:17:45,761
so that'show that relationship,
368
00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:49,549
shall we say, turned,
369
00:17:49,631 --> 00:17:50,711
you know?
370
00:17:50,798 --> 00:17:53,878
- Did he ever take investment
from the family
371
00:17:53,964 --> 00:17:57,054
for business deals?
- Uh-huh, yep.
372
00:17:57,130 --> 00:18:01,550
He did from us several timesand paid them back,
373
00:18:01,631 --> 00:18:04,341
you know, as promised.
374
00:18:04,422 --> 00:18:07,842
The last one,
we've never seen again.
375
00:18:07,923 --> 00:18:11,263
- What was the last deal?
376
00:18:11,339 --> 00:18:14,129
- It was $125,000,
377
00:18:14,214 --> 00:18:17,964
and it was very hard,and we'd be a lot better off
378
00:18:18,047 --> 00:18:20,257
if we still had it,but we don't.
379
00:18:20,339 --> 00:18:21,419
That's tough.
380
00:18:21,506 --> 00:18:24,626
Did you not know that, Maddy?
- No.
381
00:18:26,005 --> 00:18:27,915
- I only ever met himin person
382
00:18:28,005 --> 00:18:30,375
a small handful of times.
383
00:18:30,464 --> 00:18:33,594
You know, at a deposition,at mediation,
384
00:18:33,673 --> 00:18:35,053
those types of things.
385
00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:39,260
The character of your fatherwas this world traveler
386
00:18:39,339 --> 00:18:43,089
who had been very successfuland that he was doing
387
00:18:43,172 --> 00:18:48,052
these deals overseasin Middle Eastern countries,
388
00:18:48,130 --> 00:18:51,260
and they just nevermade any sense,
389
00:18:51,339 --> 00:18:55,459
and to add to that,some of his idiosyncrasies
390
00:18:55,547 --> 00:18:59,047
sort of just made hima memorable character.
391
00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:01,630
- There's some correspondence
that I've found
392
00:19:01,714 --> 00:19:04,304
in a box
of my mother's belongings
393
00:19:04,381 --> 00:19:06,421
about my mom claiming
that she was brought in
394
00:19:06,506 --> 00:19:09,706
to the police department
in Connecticut
395
00:19:09,798 --> 00:19:11,258
because of an investigation
396
00:19:11,339 --> 00:19:13,589
into my father'spossible involvement
397
00:19:13,673 --> 00:19:17,013
in a internationalmoney laundering scheme.
398
00:19:17,089 --> 00:19:19,009
I don't knowif you remember that at all.
399
00:19:19,089 --> 00:19:19,959
- I do.
400
00:19:20,047 --> 00:19:22,957
- The investigator
who brought her in
401
00:19:23,047 --> 00:19:25,507
to the police station
on behalf of INTERPOL
402
00:19:25,589 --> 00:19:28,919
disclosed that he had
offshore bank accounts--
403
00:19:29,005 --> 00:19:31,415
one in Switzerlandand one in the Caymans--
404
00:19:31,506 --> 00:19:34,166
that she was tryingto track down.
405
00:19:34,255 --> 00:19:36,875
- I mean, I know your motherhad gathered,
406
00:19:36,964 --> 00:19:40,674
as part of the divorce case,tidbits of information
407
00:19:40,756 --> 00:19:43,456
about his overseas dealings.
408
00:19:43,547 --> 00:19:46,087
- Your mom told methat she had gotten a call
409
00:19:46,172 --> 00:19:48,842
and was asked to go tothe Madison Police Department
410
00:19:48,923 --> 00:19:50,343
because they believedthat your father
411
00:19:50,422 --> 00:19:52,882
was being usedas a money launderer
412
00:19:52,964 --> 00:19:55,214
or a mule.
413
00:19:55,297 --> 00:19:57,877
I think they
frightened your mother
414
00:19:57,964 --> 00:20:00,344
into thinking that somehow
they were going to
415
00:20:00,422 --> 00:20:03,012
make her part of his crime.
416
00:20:03,089 --> 00:20:04,669
So she went to Hugh Keefe
to see
417
00:20:04,756 --> 00:20:06,876
how she could protect herself.
418
00:20:09,089 --> 00:20:10,959
She was really,
really concerned.
419
00:20:16,297 --> 00:20:18,417
- I didn't knowwhat my dad was doing,
420
00:20:18,506 --> 00:20:19,756
and I still don't,
421
00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:21,089
but I never thought
I would see, like,
422
00:20:21,172 --> 00:20:23,552
his name on documents
that have
423
00:20:23,631 --> 00:20:25,381
hundreds of millions
to billions of dollars
424
00:20:25,464 --> 00:20:27,214
in currency exchanges.
425
00:20:27,297 --> 00:20:28,507
- And that's why
meeting with the police
426
00:20:28,589 --> 00:20:30,919
is gonna be so critical,
because we really need
427
00:20:31,005 --> 00:20:33,375
to kind of go back
to the beginning on this.
428
00:20:33,464 --> 00:20:35,054
We need to know
what they've done,
429
00:20:35,130 --> 00:20:36,300
what they haven't done,
430
00:20:36,381 --> 00:20:39,211
what their working theory is
of the case.
431
00:20:39,297 --> 00:20:41,917
That's the big unknown.
- Yeah.
432
00:20:42,964 --> 00:20:44,384
How's it going?
433
00:20:44,464 --> 00:20:46,384
- Well.
How are you, Madison?
434
00:20:46,464 --> 00:20:48,054
- Nice to see you.
- Good to see you again.
435
00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:49,550
- Madison, Mark.
- Nice to meet you, Mark.
436
00:20:49,631 --> 00:20:50,591
- It's a pleasure, man.
437
00:20:50,673 --> 00:20:53,553
- I can just
introduce everybody,
438
00:20:53,631 --> 00:20:56,761
and then I'll give
Detective Sudock
439
00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,629
a just brief update
at where the project is at.
440
00:21:00,714 --> 00:21:03,594
- Yeah, I think we ought
to take our cues from Chris,
441
00:21:03,673 --> 00:21:05,883
see where he is,
how comfortable he is,
442
00:21:05,964 --> 00:21:07,594
and, you know, how open he is.
443
00:21:07,673 --> 00:21:09,303
- Yeah, full transparency.
444
00:21:09,381 --> 00:21:12,421
I mean, tell him exactly
what the intentions are
445
00:21:12,506 --> 00:21:15,006
and stress how, you know,we are looking to work
446
00:21:15,089 --> 00:21:18,759
with them 'cause wehave that common goal.
447
00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:21,959
- Today is gonna be,you know, show our cards,
448
00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:24,957
and the teamwork philosophyneeds to really come across.
449
00:21:25,047 --> 00:21:28,087
♪ ♪
450
00:21:28,172 --> 00:21:30,842
- How's it going?Good to see you.
451
00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:33,799
Or...- Sure.
452
00:21:33,881 --> 00:21:36,131
- All right, you're the boss.All right.
453
00:21:36,214 --> 00:21:43,264
♪ ♪
454
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:35,799
- Yeah.
455
00:23:39,714 --> 00:23:41,674
- Wow.- Wow.
456
00:23:45,381 --> 00:23:46,461
- Yeah.
457
00:23:49,005 --> 00:23:50,165
- [chuckles]- Yeah.
458
00:24:02,547 --> 00:24:03,627
- Wow.
459
00:24:11,547 --> 00:24:12,667
- Yeah.
460
00:24:29,923 --> 00:24:36,883
♪ ♪
461
00:24:39,631 --> 00:24:41,591
- I can't believehow confident
462
00:24:41,673 --> 00:24:44,593
Detective Sudock was
that they know who did it.
463
00:24:44,673 --> 00:24:48,013
I can't believe
how confident he was.
464
00:24:48,089 --> 00:24:52,589
They've been this close
since March 7, 2010,
465
00:24:52,673 --> 00:24:55,343
to making an arrest--
this close.
466
00:24:57,005 --> 00:25:00,295
- The number one suspect
turned off their phone.
467
00:25:00,381 --> 00:25:01,591
Ali's phone was on
468
00:25:01,673 --> 00:25:03,803
'cause she was calling
and texting.
469
00:25:03,881 --> 00:25:07,301
Conway's phone was on because
she received texts and calls.
470
00:25:07,381 --> 00:25:09,211
♪ ♪
471
00:25:09,297 --> 00:25:11,587
The hurdle's gonna be
convincing the chief,
472
00:25:11,673 --> 00:25:13,923
but sounds like the police
are gonna give us...
473
00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:17,711
Some information that,
whether or not
474
00:25:17,798 --> 00:25:20,508
someone's taken to court,
475
00:25:20,589 --> 00:25:22,209
may provide an answer.
476
00:25:22,297 --> 00:25:29,257
♪ ♪
477
00:25:32,214 --> 00:25:35,844
I'm sorry time goes byand we don't talk, Conway.
478
00:25:35,923 --> 00:25:39,343
It gets really hectic,you know?
479
00:25:39,422 --> 00:25:42,342
- I'm just angry, Madison.I'm angry.
480
00:25:42,422 --> 00:25:44,342
And I'm sorry if I'minterrupting your day,
481
00:25:44,422 --> 00:25:47,342
but, God damn it,don't fucking ignore me.
482
00:25:47,422 --> 00:25:50,962
- Conway, I am on your side.I'm working on it.
483
00:25:51,047 --> 00:25:54,797
We have a really good shot.
484
00:25:54,881 --> 00:25:58,461
- They're fuckingdoing nothing!
485
00:25:58,547 --> 00:26:00,377
Those motherfuckers told me
486
00:26:00,464 --> 00:26:03,214
I was the most importantperson
487
00:26:03,297 --> 00:26:05,547
they wanted to talk to.
488
00:26:05,631 --> 00:26:07,091
Why aren't you asking them,
489
00:26:07,172 --> 00:26:09,342
"Why haven't youcalled my aunt?"
490
00:26:11,255 --> 00:26:12,835
I'm angry, Mad.
- I know.
491
00:26:12,923 --> 00:26:15,013
I got you.
492
00:26:15,089 --> 00:26:17,379
- No, I don't thinkyou got me, Mad.
493
00:26:17,464 --> 00:26:20,214
You get your little fuckingproject thing going
494
00:26:20,297 --> 00:26:22,707
and blah, blah, blah.
495
00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:24,048
You know, hopefully,it will come
496
00:26:24,130 --> 00:26:26,380
to a fruition at some point.
497
00:26:26,464 --> 00:26:28,304
- Don't push me away, Conway.
498
00:26:28,381 --> 00:26:30,171
- I'm not pushing you away.
499
00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:34,165
I'm telling you, tell mewhat the fuck is going on.
500
00:26:35,381 --> 00:26:39,171
You think everything is gonnawork out perfect.
501
00:26:39,255 --> 00:26:40,585
- I don't think that, Conway.
502
00:26:40,673 --> 00:26:43,593
How can you--
I don't think that.
503
00:26:43,673 --> 00:26:47,963
- It doesn't work out perfect.Ever.
504
00:26:48,047 --> 00:26:51,377
♪ ♪
505
00:26:51,464 --> 00:26:55,424
The whole thingmakes me just...
506
00:26:55,506 --> 00:26:58,206
so angry.
507
00:27:00,339 --> 00:27:05,009
Your mom was my best friendin the whole wide world.
508
00:27:06,673 --> 00:27:08,593
I didn't want to witnessthat shit.
509
00:27:08,673 --> 00:27:12,633
I didn't want to see that.
510
00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:17,014
Nobody understands.Nobody understands me anymore.
511
00:27:17,089 --> 00:27:18,799
Ever.
512
00:27:18,881 --> 00:27:21,171
- [laughs]
513
00:27:21,255 --> 00:27:24,125
- Something has to change.
514
00:27:24,214 --> 00:27:28,304
And I don't have much timeto wait.
515
00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:32,131
I lost my fucking mindwhen I lost my sister.
516
00:27:32,214 --> 00:27:33,464
- Group hug.
- Mwah.
517
00:27:33,547 --> 00:27:35,627
- It's those three sisters!
- We're here.
518
00:27:35,714 --> 00:27:37,714
- We're here!
- Watch out.
519
00:27:39,255 --> 00:27:44,915
- I can't live much longerwithout the truth.
520
00:27:45,005 --> 00:27:47,455
♪ ♪
521
00:27:47,547 --> 00:27:49,297
- Hey,
this is Madison Hamburg.
522
00:27:49,381 --> 00:27:51,761
I'm hoping to get in touch
with Detective Sudock.
523
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:55,209
Hey, Detective Sudock,
this is Madison Hamburg.
524
00:27:55,297 --> 00:27:58,337
I'm just following up
from our call two days ago.
525
00:27:58,422 --> 00:28:00,172
- You may startyour message now.
526
00:28:00,255 --> 00:28:01,255
[line beeps]
527
00:28:01,339 --> 00:28:03,379
- Hi, Captain Race,this is Madison Hamburg.
528
00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:05,884
I'm just following up
my previous phone call
529
00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:09,134
about my documentary
about my mom's murder.
530
00:28:09,214 --> 00:28:10,264
- You have reached
531
00:28:10,339 --> 00:28:11,839
the Madison, Connecticut,Police Department.
532
00:28:11,923 --> 00:28:13,843
- You have reachedthe Connecticut State Police
533
00:28:13,923 --> 00:28:15,673
Troop L in Litchfield.
534
00:28:15,756 --> 00:28:16,876
- You've reachedSergeant Neal Mulhern.
535
00:28:16,964 --> 00:28:18,054
I'm currently unavailable.
536
00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:19,840
- Let me put you into the commanding officer
537
00:28:19,923 --> 00:28:21,713
of the major crime unit.
- Okay.
538
00:28:21,798 --> 00:28:23,168
- Unfortunately,he is out of the office
539
00:28:23,255 --> 00:28:24,415
for the rest of the day.
540
00:28:25,714 --> 00:28:27,514
- "Dear Chief Jack Drumm,
541
00:28:27,589 --> 00:28:29,459
"I'm writing you in regardsto my mother's
542
00:28:29,547 --> 00:28:32,007
unsolvedhomicide investigation."
543
00:28:32,089 --> 00:28:34,959
♪ ♪
544
00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:36,337
"As you know,I've been looking for answers
545
00:28:36,422 --> 00:28:37,762
"into what happenedto my mother
546
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:39,259
for the past six years."
547
00:28:39,339 --> 00:28:41,209
♪ ♪
548
00:28:41,297 --> 00:28:43,507
"I've interviewedmany individuals
549
00:28:43,589 --> 00:28:45,419
on camera multiple times."
550
00:28:45,506 --> 00:28:47,086
♪ ♪
551
00:28:47,172 --> 00:28:49,382
"I write to you
pleading for the opportunity
552
00:28:49,464 --> 00:28:51,384
"to talk about
how my investigators
553
00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:53,054
may be able to help."
554
00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:55,010
- Put it on your eye.
555
00:28:55,089 --> 00:28:58,049
What you doing?
Pushing all the buttons?
556
00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:01,800
- "My family and I live withmy mother's absence every day.
557
00:29:01,881 --> 00:29:03,421
"We are desperateto find justice
558
00:29:03,506 --> 00:29:05,336
"for her murder.
559
00:29:05,422 --> 00:29:07,382
"Five months from nowwill mark ten years
560
00:29:07,464 --> 00:29:08,554
"since her death,
561
00:29:08,631 --> 00:29:10,761
"and this monthmarks four years
562
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,209
since her case went cold."
563
00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:13,877
- [laughs]
564
00:29:13,964 --> 00:29:16,964
- "Would be grateful for youto grant us the opportunity
565
00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:20,457
to, at the very least, talk."
566
00:29:20,547 --> 00:29:24,207
♪ ♪
567
00:29:24,297 --> 00:29:26,087
- Madison,this is Christie Hodge
568
00:29:26,172 --> 00:29:28,632
returning your call,Madison Police Department.
569
00:29:28,714 --> 00:29:30,924
Yes, the chiefdid get your letter.
570
00:29:31,005 --> 00:29:33,255
He's not goingto be available to meet
571
00:29:33,339 --> 00:29:35,049
to discuss this with you,
572
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:36,920
and he's followingthe state's guidelines.
573
00:29:37,005 --> 00:29:38,415
This is stillan open investigation.
574
00:29:38,506 --> 00:29:40,666
If you havespecific questions,
575
00:29:40,756 --> 00:29:43,126
feel free to contactDetective Neal Mulhern.
576
00:29:43,214 --> 00:29:44,964
I think you already havehis number.
577
00:29:45,047 --> 00:29:46,507
Bye-bye.
578
00:29:56,881 --> 00:29:58,761
- He's not even
gonna talk to me?
579
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,299
No one's gonna answer
their phone for weeks
580
00:30:01,381 --> 00:30:03,841
and just not respond,
wait till it goes away?
581
00:30:05,881 --> 00:30:08,461
How do they think this looks?
582
00:30:08,547 --> 00:30:11,127
- I can't believethat they wouldn't even say,
583
00:30:11,214 --> 00:30:14,804
"Well, we'd be interestedto meet with you and discuss
584
00:30:14,881 --> 00:30:16,961
whatever new informationyou might have."
585
00:30:17,047 --> 00:30:18,457
- Right?
586
00:30:18,547 --> 00:30:20,547
- I think the next step--well, they leave us no choice
587
00:30:20,631 --> 00:30:22,511
but to do the FOIA request.
588
00:30:22,589 --> 00:30:23,589
- Yeah.
589
00:30:23,673 --> 00:30:25,673
- There must besome major problems
590
00:30:25,756 --> 00:30:28,126
with the casethat we just don't know about.
591
00:30:28,214 --> 00:30:29,514
- Yeah, I don't know.
592
00:30:29,589 --> 00:30:30,959
I mean, I'm not trying
to create
593
00:30:31,047 --> 00:30:34,007
an adversarial relationship
with them in any way.
594
00:30:34,089 --> 00:30:35,129
- No.
- You know?
595
00:30:35,214 --> 00:30:38,304
I'm just trying
to help motivate
596
00:30:38,381 --> 00:30:40,671
momentum in the case.
- Sure.
597
00:30:40,756 --> 00:30:43,706
♪ ♪
598
00:30:43,798 --> 00:30:46,508
- So the one thing
that the police don't have
599
00:30:46,589 --> 00:30:48,509
aside from access
to my mom's Facebook
600
00:30:48,589 --> 00:30:50,799
and some documents
that we have
601
00:30:50,881 --> 00:30:52,671
is, I'm still in touch
with my dad.
602
00:30:52,756 --> 00:30:54,166
- Yep, okay.
603
00:30:54,255 --> 00:30:57,665
- And he has been
asking to meet
604
00:30:57,756 --> 00:30:58,796
in New York.
605
00:30:58,881 --> 00:31:00,011
- Oh, wow.
606
00:31:00,089 --> 00:31:02,299
[wagon rattling]
607
00:31:02,381 --> 00:31:03,591
- Going for a walk?
608
00:31:03,673 --> 00:31:05,843
Here, he's gonna go.
609
00:31:05,923 --> 00:31:08,423
Bye!
- Bye-bye, Mommy.
610
00:31:08,506 --> 00:31:11,046
Bye-bye, Mommy!
- Bye-bye!
611
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:12,920
- Bye-bye, Mommy.
Bye-bye.
612
00:31:13,005 --> 00:31:13,875
- Bye-bye.
613
00:31:13,964 --> 00:31:16,054
♪ ♪
614
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:18,050
[projector clicks]
615
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:20,090
- So do I just text him?
616
00:31:22,506 --> 00:31:24,206
I'll just call him.
617
00:31:24,297 --> 00:31:26,707
[line rings]
618
00:31:26,798 --> 00:31:28,418
- Hello.
- Hey.
619
00:31:28,506 --> 00:31:30,416
- How you doing?
- How's it going?
620
00:31:30,506 --> 00:31:31,586
- Okay.
621
00:31:31,673 --> 00:31:35,843
- So I wanted to tell you
I'm looking at
622
00:31:35,923 --> 00:31:37,423
coming to the northeast,
623
00:31:37,506 --> 00:31:41,336
and I wanted to know
if you're gonna be around
624
00:31:41,422 --> 00:31:43,712
in New York
625
00:31:43,798 --> 00:31:47,378
'cause I'd love to see you.
626
00:31:47,464 --> 00:31:48,804
- Visit, yeah, me too.
627
00:31:50,422 --> 00:31:52,212
- I was thinkingit would be cool
628
00:31:52,297 --> 00:31:55,007
to go to where you grew up.
629
00:31:55,089 --> 00:31:56,509
You grew upin Forest Hills, right?
630
00:31:56,589 --> 00:31:58,169
- Yeah.
631
00:31:58,255 --> 00:32:00,375
- I remember doing thatas a kid.
632
00:32:00,464 --> 00:32:02,764
- That'd be fine.
633
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,759
- We could have
a vehicle drive by
634
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,839
this big front entrance
as they walk in.
635
00:32:08,923 --> 00:32:12,013
- You guys stillin the same place?
636
00:32:14,214 --> 00:32:16,094
- Hello, check, check.
637
00:32:16,172 --> 00:32:17,922
- I mean, you can't see it,
for sure.
638
00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:20,375
- No.
639
00:32:20,464 --> 00:32:22,714
- All right,I'm looking forward to it.
640
00:32:22,798 --> 00:32:24,088
- Yeah, me too.
- All right, see you then.
641
00:32:24,172 --> 00:32:25,762
Bye.
- Love you, bye.
642
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:32,759
♪ ♪
643
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,839
[sighs]
644
00:32:38,005 --> 00:32:39,005
Man.
645
00:32:41,214 --> 00:32:42,094
- Fine.
646
00:32:42,172 --> 00:32:43,302
He didn't suspect a thing,
647
00:32:43,381 --> 00:32:47,171
which makes me feel really bad
about what I'm doing.
648
00:32:55,381 --> 00:32:56,381
- Yeah.
649
00:32:57,798 --> 00:32:59,838
- Should make the most
of this meeting.
650
00:33:02,381 --> 00:33:09,381
♪ ♪
651
00:33:27,714 --> 00:33:29,714
- Hey.
652
00:33:29,798 --> 00:33:31,458
How's it going?
- Okay.
653
00:33:31,547 --> 00:33:33,507
- Good to see you.
- Yeah, you're looking good.
654
00:33:33,589 --> 00:33:35,009
- Thanks.
- You're looking thin.
655
00:33:35,089 --> 00:33:36,049
- Thank you.
656
00:33:41,464 --> 00:33:45,964
♪ ♪
657
00:33:46,047 --> 00:33:49,167
- So we're looking
at the third floor going up.
658
00:33:49,255 --> 00:33:50,665
- Where, here?
659
00:33:50,756 --> 00:33:52,706
- Yeah.
660
00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:59,758
♪ ♪
661
00:34:01,381 --> 00:34:03,341
- How did your parents
end up here?
662
00:34:03,422 --> 00:34:05,842
I don't know much about that.
663
00:34:05,923 --> 00:34:09,633
- We lived in a Quonset hut.- A Quonset hut?
664
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:11,214
- My fathergot out of the service,
665
00:34:11,297 --> 00:34:14,377
and so he had VA assistance,but he'd live in a Quonset hut
666
00:34:14,464 --> 00:34:16,884
with a fire stove
in the middle.
667
00:34:16,964 --> 00:34:18,554
- Wow.
668
00:34:18,631 --> 00:34:20,761
- And then we moved here.
669
00:34:20,839 --> 00:34:22,709
- And what did--
oh, Grandpa Martin
670
00:34:22,798 --> 00:34:24,418
was in the steel business?
671
00:34:29,339 --> 00:34:30,339
- Oh, really?
672
00:34:35,673 --> 00:34:36,633
- This is it.
673
00:34:36,714 --> 00:34:38,674
Yeah, yeah, I want to know.
You know?
674
00:34:40,673 --> 00:34:44,053
We did this when I was younger.
- Yeah, I know.
675
00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:47,300
- I think I could
just appreciate it more now.
676
00:34:49,005 --> 00:34:56,045
♪ ♪
677
00:35:12,381 --> 00:35:16,761
So I've heard
a lot of different stories,
678
00:35:16,839 --> 00:35:20,759
but you are the only one
who can tell me.
679
00:35:20,839 --> 00:35:22,379
We were really wealthy.
680
00:35:22,464 --> 00:35:25,344
Why did we lose
all of that money?
681
00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:28,630
- I...
682
00:35:34,214 --> 00:35:38,014
- I feel like
if I don't talk about it
683
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:39,759
and if I don't
ask these questions,
684
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:41,549
I don't know
that I'll ever be able
685
00:35:41,631 --> 00:35:43,801
to get past this,
like, giant elephant
686
00:35:43,881 --> 00:35:45,841
that sort of stands between us.
- Right.
687
00:35:55,881 --> 00:35:57,461
Ten years,
I've been accused of things.
688
00:35:57,547 --> 00:35:59,627
- This is not me
accusing you of anything.
689
00:35:59,714 --> 00:36:00,634
- I'm not--okay.
690
00:36:00,714 --> 00:36:02,094
- This is just me
asking you questions,
691
00:36:02,172 --> 00:36:03,922
because I want to trust you,
and I want a relationship
692
00:36:04,005 --> 00:36:04,955
with my father.
693
00:36:05,047 --> 00:36:06,627
- Okay,
I don't want to live this.
694
00:36:06,714 --> 00:36:08,804
I really don't want
to live through this.
695
00:36:08,881 --> 00:36:10,421
- Do you want me
to find parking?
696
00:36:10,506 --> 00:36:12,956
- No, I want to go home.
697
00:36:13,047 --> 00:36:14,507
- This is really unfortunate.
698
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:16,419
I came all the way up here
to talk to you.
699
00:36:16,506 --> 00:36:19,206
- I know,
but I don't want to be given--
700
00:36:19,297 --> 00:36:20,917
- But, like, think about it.
Like, I'm--
701
00:36:21,005 --> 00:36:22,205
- I don't want to--
I don't--
702
00:36:22,297 --> 00:36:24,167
- I'm here.
I'm listening to you.
703
00:36:24,255 --> 00:36:25,705
- No, this is enough.
704
00:36:25,798 --> 00:36:27,878
- If you could just tell me
one thing that, like,
705
00:36:27,964 --> 00:36:30,514
you feel maybe sorry for.
706
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:32,629
Do you realize, like,
how all of this
707
00:36:32,714 --> 00:36:34,384
impacted my life as your son?
708
00:36:34,464 --> 00:36:39,014
♪ ♪
709
00:36:39,089 --> 00:36:42,009
- You think I did this to you,the murder of your mother?
710
00:36:42,089 --> 00:36:44,009
You think that--- Dad, you don't think--
711
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:45,459
- That I have anythingto do with that?
712
00:36:45,547 --> 00:36:46,507
- No, that's notwhat I'm saying.
713
00:36:46,589 --> 00:36:48,169
- Okay, then I didn'timpact your life.
714
00:36:48,255 --> 00:36:49,165
- My childhood.
715
00:36:49,255 --> 00:36:51,375
- I tried to dothe best I could.
716
00:36:51,464 --> 00:36:55,464
♪ ♪
717
00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:57,547
Do you know how muchI loved your mother?
718
00:36:57,631 --> 00:36:58,881
- I don't.
719
00:36:58,964 --> 00:37:00,674
I want to talkto you about it.
720
00:37:00,756 --> 00:37:01,876
- I loved your mother
very much.
721
00:37:01,964 --> 00:37:04,054
She was the love of my life.
722
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:05,880
[line rings]
723
00:37:05,964 --> 00:37:09,884
Hey, so we got herean hour early.
724
00:37:09,964 --> 00:37:11,014
Okay.
725
00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:19,130
♪ ♪
726
00:37:39,005 --> 00:37:41,955
[turn signal clicking]
727
00:37:44,714 --> 00:37:46,594
- Marcia,can I ask you a question?
728
00:37:46,673 --> 00:37:47,803
- Sure.
729
00:37:47,881 --> 00:37:50,711
- How did you find out aboutwhat happened to my mom?
730
00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,709
- I don't want to bring up
something heavy.
731
00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:01,798
I just--you know, I don't
see you guys very often,
732
00:38:01,881 --> 00:38:05,091
and I'll regret
not talking about it,
733
00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:07,512
to be honest.
734
00:38:20,047 --> 00:38:23,127
- What I want to know
is not the answer
735
00:38:23,214 --> 00:38:27,304
to what happened to my mom
but more who my mom was
736
00:38:27,381 --> 00:38:29,261
and who my father is.
737
00:38:32,881 --> 00:38:35,301
- So, Jeff, do you wantto say anything to that?
738
00:38:35,381 --> 00:38:37,671
- Well, I'm--I listen to this,
739
00:38:37,756 --> 00:38:40,916
but fathers don't alwaysshare everything with sons.
740
00:38:41,005 --> 00:38:42,795
There are things that,in a million years,
741
00:38:42,881 --> 00:38:44,841
I wouldn't share;I'll take it to my grave.
742
00:38:44,923 --> 00:38:47,463
So forget about whether or not
743
00:38:47,547 --> 00:38:49,167
I have to bethe open book to you.
744
00:38:49,255 --> 00:38:51,455
I'm the father,and you're the son.
745
00:38:51,547 --> 00:38:53,667
- I'm gonna let youcontinue this conversation
746
00:38:53,756 --> 00:38:54,956
and go upstairs.- Okay.
747
00:38:55,047 --> 00:38:56,297
- Okay?
- Thank you, Marcia.
748
00:38:56,381 --> 00:38:58,671
It's really nice to see you.
- Nice to see you too.
749
00:38:58,756 --> 00:39:00,296
- And thank you so much
for talking to me about that.
750
00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:01,591
- Bye.
- Bye.
751
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:03,923
- The questionsyou're asking to me
752
00:39:04,005 --> 00:39:06,005
are questionsthat have nothing
753
00:39:06,089 --> 00:39:07,509
to do with your childhood,
754
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:10,009
like, you know,about my business and--
755
00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:11,299
- Sure, what were you doing?
756
00:39:11,381 --> 00:39:12,841
Why were you goneall the time?
757
00:39:12,923 --> 00:39:15,013
- Okay, I was overseasbecause I was doing business.
758
00:39:15,089 --> 00:39:17,839
What is--what's the--there's no mystery.
759
00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:19,053
- Well, I--
760
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:21,880
- You don't know peoplewho travel and do business?
761
00:39:21,964 --> 00:39:24,054
You don't know peoplewho go and stay--
762
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:26,510
- Spend, like, monthsaway from their families?
763
00:39:26,589 --> 00:39:29,339
And, you know, the thingsI found within my mom's stuff
764
00:39:29,422 --> 00:39:30,842
is, like--
765
00:39:30,923 --> 00:39:32,463
what is all of that?
766
00:39:32,547 --> 00:39:33,667
- What is that?
767
00:39:33,756 --> 00:39:35,296
- There's multiple lettersfrom my mom
768
00:39:35,381 --> 00:39:37,011
saying that youkept telling her
769
00:39:37,089 --> 00:39:38,669
there's an oil rigthat went aground
770
00:39:38,756 --> 00:39:40,046
and that we were gonna be rich
771
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:42,550
to the tune of hundredsof millions of dollars,
772
00:39:42,631 --> 00:39:44,381
this deal that you wereputting together.
773
00:39:44,464 --> 00:39:45,714
- This is the first timeI ever heard of that.
774
00:39:45,798 --> 00:39:47,208
What--did you have somethingthat says--
775
00:39:47,297 --> 00:39:49,257
- I have the lettersbetween you guys
776
00:39:49,339 --> 00:39:50,759
when you were goingthrough the divorce.
777
00:39:50,839 --> 00:39:53,879
I have everything.I have all my mom's stuff.
778
00:39:53,964 --> 00:39:55,594
What am I gonna do with it?
779
00:39:55,673 --> 00:39:57,343
- Show it to me.
780
00:39:57,422 --> 00:39:58,422
Bring it to me.Show it to me.
781
00:39:58,506 --> 00:39:59,666
Show me everything.
782
00:39:59,756 --> 00:40:01,206
- If that's what I have to dofor you to tell me--
783
00:40:01,297 --> 00:40:03,047
- I don't even knowwhat you're talking about.
784
00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:04,840
I don't even knowwhat you're talking about.
785
00:40:04,923 --> 00:40:07,263
- She has all theseweird documents
786
00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:09,259
with your name on 'em.- Okay. So? So?
787
00:40:09,339 --> 00:40:10,379
- What are they?
788
00:40:10,464 --> 00:40:11,384
The hundreds of millionsof dollars
789
00:40:11,464 --> 00:40:13,844
in currency transactionsin Russia, in--
790
00:40:13,923 --> 00:40:15,763
- Bullshit.That's all bullshit.
791
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:18,009
- Well, your name's on it.Our address is on it.
792
00:40:18,089 --> 00:40:20,549
Your handwriting's on it.- I have no idea.
793
00:40:20,631 --> 00:40:22,171
I don't know.
Maybe it's forgeries.
794
00:40:22,255 --> 00:40:25,125
I have no idea.
I've never worked in Russia.
795
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:27,424
And I've never worked
on $100 million deals
796
00:40:27,506 --> 00:40:29,416
with the oil rigs.
797
00:40:29,506 --> 00:40:31,756
Not only that.
798
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:35,589
Nobody's ever produced thoseto show anything.
799
00:40:35,673 --> 00:40:37,423
- What--you say it like it's--
800
00:40:37,506 --> 00:40:39,126
what do you meannobody's ever produced?
801
00:40:39,214 --> 00:40:40,964
- I don't believe it.- You don't believe what?
802
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:42,087
- I don't believe the letters.
803
00:40:42,172 --> 00:40:43,262
I don't believe they're mine,
804
00:40:43,339 --> 00:40:44,759
and I don't believethey came from me,
805
00:40:44,839 --> 00:40:46,589
and I don't knowwhat you're talking about.
806
00:40:46,673 --> 00:40:48,763
- What's the prime bank stuff?
807
00:40:48,839 --> 00:40:49,799
- That was a--
808
00:40:49,881 --> 00:40:51,761
Prime bank?What's prime bank?
809
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:55,209
- It's, like, a prime bankguarantee for deals.
810
00:40:55,297 --> 00:40:57,127
- That was the--yeah, that was to--
811
00:40:57,214 --> 00:41:00,094
that was to do some deals.
812
00:41:00,172 --> 00:41:02,592
That was--it's very complicated.
813
00:41:02,673 --> 00:41:05,463
We tried our hand
at trading oil.
814
00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:07,127
It never worked.
815
00:41:07,214 --> 00:41:10,174
There were all thesephony bank guarantees,
816
00:41:10,255 --> 00:41:12,165
all counterfeit.- Wow.
817
00:41:14,047 --> 00:41:16,797
In letters that my motherwrote to her attorney,
818
00:41:16,881 --> 00:41:18,511
she referencesbeing questioned
819
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:20,589
by the FBI about you.
820
00:41:20,673 --> 00:41:22,013
Why would they--- She reported--
821
00:41:22,089 --> 00:41:23,129
[chuckles]
822
00:41:23,214 --> 00:41:26,634
In her drunken stupor,she called the police
823
00:41:26,714 --> 00:41:29,134
and suggestedthat I was laundering money--
824
00:41:29,214 --> 00:41:31,594
$100 million worth of money.
825
00:41:31,673 --> 00:41:34,633
- Why did she think that?- She was drunk.
826
00:41:34,714 --> 00:41:36,804
She was a drunk.Don't you understand?
827
00:41:36,881 --> 00:41:39,461
You don't get it.You were a drunk.
828
00:41:39,547 --> 00:41:41,417
You did things.They were crazy.
829
00:41:41,506 --> 00:41:42,626
- Yeah, but I didn't, like--- She was a dr--
830
00:41:42,714 --> 00:41:45,264
You don't understandhow many stupid things
831
00:41:45,339 --> 00:41:46,799
that she could--she was possible
832
00:41:46,881 --> 00:41:49,011
that she could do
when she was drunk.
833
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:50,379
She called them.
834
00:41:50,464 --> 00:41:51,514
You know,
I talked to the police,
835
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:52,509
and they said nothing.
836
00:41:52,589 --> 00:41:55,669
It was all bullshit,
and she was vind--I--
837
00:41:55,756 --> 00:41:58,796
- No, no, I like to hear
your side of this.
838
00:41:58,881 --> 00:42:01,171
It paints a different
picture of it.
839
00:42:01,255 --> 00:42:02,505
- Your mother was vindictive.
840
00:42:02,589 --> 00:42:04,209
She was--she--
841
00:42:04,297 --> 00:42:05,297
she was...
842
00:42:06,964 --> 00:42:09,464
You guys have a picture of her
843
00:42:09,547 --> 00:42:13,007
of beingthis really nice person.
844
00:42:13,089 --> 00:42:16,459
She wasn't really nice in--deep down.
845
00:42:16,547 --> 00:42:20,877
She was vindictiveabout a lot of things.
846
00:42:20,964 --> 00:42:24,884
She just did some--the craziest stuff.
847
00:42:24,964 --> 00:42:26,674
She would come back fromgoing out with her friends,
848
00:42:26,756 --> 00:42:28,206
and she'd just fall downand pass out
849
00:42:28,297 --> 00:42:30,417
on the bathroom floor.
850
00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:32,876
That's how drunk she got.
851
00:42:32,964 --> 00:42:36,384
She would leave you guys aloneto go out drinking.
852
00:42:36,464 --> 00:42:39,214
- Yeah, I remember.
853
00:42:39,297 --> 00:42:42,207
- She claimed I abandoned you.
854
00:42:42,297 --> 00:42:44,377
It was a fucking lie.
855
00:42:44,464 --> 00:42:47,344
I don't hold it against her.
I never did.
856
00:42:47,422 --> 00:42:51,462
I just figure that she just
revealed who really she was.
857
00:42:53,172 --> 00:42:56,052
- Why did youbring Hugh Keefe to court?
858
00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:59,170
- I can't talk to youabout the legal issues.
859
00:42:59,255 --> 00:43:01,545
This is what makes memore suspicious about--
860
00:43:01,631 --> 00:43:02,841
- Suspicious about what?
861
00:43:02,923 --> 00:43:04,803
- Well, what
your endgame here is.
862
00:43:04,881 --> 00:43:06,711
If your endgame
is to know who I am,
863
00:43:06,798 --> 00:43:08,208
I'm telling you who I am,
864
00:43:08,297 --> 00:43:10,707
but don't start asking me
questions that have to do
865
00:43:10,798 --> 00:43:13,258
with the legal strategy
of how I did this.
866
00:43:13,339 --> 00:43:15,089
It's not important to you.
867
00:43:15,172 --> 00:43:18,592
- I'll tell you
how it played out for me.
868
00:43:18,673 --> 00:43:23,133
- At this time,
we are seeking to locate
869
00:43:23,214 --> 00:43:25,964
her former husband,
Jeffrey Hamburg.
870
00:43:26,047 --> 00:43:27,457
- The police are saying,
871
00:43:27,547 --> 00:43:29,047
"We don't knowwhere your dad is."
872
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:31,630
Then the next timeI hear your whereabouts,
873
00:43:31,714 --> 00:43:35,094
you have, like,a criminal defense attorney--
874
00:43:35,172 --> 00:43:36,462
- Well, wouldn't you?
875
00:43:36,547 --> 00:43:39,797
I'm not gonna go talkto police without a lawyer.
876
00:43:39,881 --> 00:43:43,051
I wasn't even anywhere nearyour mother's place.
877
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:45,710
- You werein New Haven, right?
878
00:43:45,798 --> 00:43:48,258
- At the court.- At 9:30?
879
00:43:48,339 --> 00:43:49,459
- I don't knowwhat time it was.
880
00:43:49,547 --> 00:43:51,587
I called my lawyerand saying, you know,
881
00:43:51,673 --> 00:43:53,593
"Should I bewaiting here longer?"
882
00:43:53,673 --> 00:43:55,303
Your mother's not here.
883
00:43:55,381 --> 00:43:58,091
It got continued,and then I left.
884
00:43:59,089 --> 00:44:01,129
Simple as that.
885
00:44:01,214 --> 00:44:02,804
They couldn't prove anything.
886
00:44:02,881 --> 00:44:04,671
They couldn't even
get a subpoena
887
00:44:04,756 --> 00:44:06,506
because there wasn't
any evidence.
888
00:44:06,589 --> 00:44:08,959
- Other than circumstantial.
- Not even circumstantial.
889
00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:10,417
I wasn't there.
890
00:44:10,506 --> 00:44:13,046
Timeline, I think, didn't work,
and DNA didn't work.
891
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:15,210
- Yeah.
- We tried to re-create it.
892
00:44:15,297 --> 00:44:16,337
- Really?
- Yeah, of course.
893
00:44:16,422 --> 00:44:17,962
It didn't work.
894
00:44:18,047 --> 00:44:20,087
But they were convincedthat I did it,
895
00:44:20,172 --> 00:44:22,422
and they wouldn'tget off of it.
896
00:44:22,506 --> 00:44:26,126
You have to look to the policeto doing a shitty job,
897
00:44:26,214 --> 00:44:27,464
and without them,
898
00:44:27,547 --> 00:44:29,957
unless you hireyour own private detective,
899
00:44:30,047 --> 00:44:31,707
what are you gonna do?
900
00:44:35,047 --> 00:44:37,087
So now you know it.
901
00:44:38,964 --> 00:44:40,924
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
902
00:44:42,214 --> 00:44:45,384
But there is more,
and I'm not gonna tell you.
903
00:44:45,464 --> 00:44:47,174
- [sighs]
904
00:44:47,255 --> 00:44:49,755
- All right? You ready to go?
- Yeah.
905
00:44:57,964 --> 00:44:59,174
- Whoa.
- You okay?
906
00:44:59,255 --> 00:45:03,045
- Yeah, no, I just
didn't get my foot up.
907
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:04,920
- Good to see you.
- Yep, same here.
908
00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:09,089
- Yeah.
909
00:45:24,631 --> 00:45:25,631
- What?
910
00:45:27,297 --> 00:45:29,377
- Well, it's just--
it's confusing.
911
00:45:29,464 --> 00:45:32,054
It's just all--
the emotions are
912
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:34,090
around all of it, you know?
913
00:45:41,297 --> 00:45:43,757
Love you.
- Love you too.
914
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:45,629
Good to see you.
- Yep.
915
00:45:50,798 --> 00:45:51,958
- Will do.
916
00:45:59,964 --> 00:46:06,964
♪ ♪
917
00:46:20,547 --> 00:46:21,707
- I know.
918
00:46:23,005 --> 00:46:26,955
I just don't know
what the fuck
919
00:46:27,047 --> 00:46:29,167
he's gonna do
when this comes out.
920
00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:45,419
- I realized that I could
no longer contest
921
00:46:45,506 --> 00:46:49,296
the things he was saying
if I wanted to glean anything.
922
00:46:49,381 --> 00:46:52,461
Just let's sit there
and listen.
923
00:46:52,547 --> 00:46:57,007
Their version of moving forward
is ignoring it.
924
00:46:57,089 --> 00:46:57,959
- Sweeping it under the rug.
925
00:46:58,047 --> 00:46:59,667
- Acting like
it never happened.
926
00:47:01,714 --> 00:47:03,264
Why should I
have a relationship
927
00:47:03,339 --> 00:47:06,259
if he's not gonna talk
about that shit?
928
00:47:06,339 --> 00:47:09,339
I'm just relieved
that it's over.
929
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:20,549
♪ ♪
930
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:23,009
- And we're gonna go
to that light
931
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:24,049
and go straight.
932
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:25,050
- Got it.
933
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:31,760
♪ ♪
934
00:47:36,589 --> 00:47:38,209
- So we're not B&E?
935
00:47:41,547 --> 00:47:45,127
- All right, there's
a lot of stuff in here.
936
00:47:51,255 --> 00:47:54,375
- Tyler, oh.
937
00:47:54,464 --> 00:47:57,634
And I have
your mother right here.
938
00:47:57,714 --> 00:47:59,384
- What is that?
- Ashes.
939
00:47:59,464 --> 00:48:00,924
- Oh, really?
- Mm-hmm.
940
00:48:03,506 --> 00:48:04,796
It's heavy.
941
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:08,589
I couldn't give 'em all away.
I'm sorry.
942
00:48:08,673 --> 00:48:10,133
- No, it's good.
943
00:48:14,339 --> 00:48:17,669
Was she sharing with you
about the details
944
00:48:17,756 --> 00:48:19,256
about what was going on
with my dad?
945
00:48:19,339 --> 00:48:21,879
- Abandonment is why
she filed for divorce.
946
00:48:21,964 --> 00:48:24,424
- And you become closer
with her because of that?
947
00:48:24,506 --> 00:48:26,086
- I want to support her...
- Okay.
948
00:48:26,172 --> 00:48:27,172
- And help her.
949
00:48:27,255 --> 00:48:29,375
What paperwork can I
help you get together
950
00:48:29,464 --> 00:48:31,714
to get this divorce,
blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
951
00:48:31,798 --> 00:48:32,758
- Yeah.
952
00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:34,549
- And everything done with.
You can go to court.
953
00:48:34,631 --> 00:48:35,961
Ali, fucking Ali.
954
00:48:36,047 --> 00:48:39,047
That's the only reason
she fucking died,
955
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:42,090
'cause Ali insisted she go
to court and get that money.
956
00:48:42,172 --> 00:48:45,382
When Ali was born,
957
00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:50,134
she was so addicted and...
958
00:48:50,214 --> 00:48:52,924
would not let her mother go
out of her sight.
959
00:48:53,005 --> 00:48:54,585
It was awful.
960
00:48:54,673 --> 00:48:55,923
I thought something
was wrong with her
961
00:48:56,005 --> 00:48:58,755
from when she was born.
- Huh.
962
00:48:58,839 --> 00:49:01,959
- Anyhow, that's my opinion,
but...
963
00:49:02,047 --> 00:49:03,297
I always tried to love her,
964
00:49:03,381 --> 00:49:05,421
and now I don't.
965
00:49:05,506 --> 00:49:07,506
- You don't love Ali?
- Mm-mmm.
966
00:49:09,172 --> 00:49:10,922
Not at all.
967
00:49:11,005 --> 00:49:13,085
- Because you think she did--
she committed the murder?
968
00:49:13,172 --> 00:49:15,212
- I know she did this.
She called 911.
969
00:49:15,297 --> 00:49:17,417
She comes over to your mother.
970
00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:19,456
"I know"--
she's talking to 911--
971
00:49:19,547 --> 00:49:21,547
"I know CPR.
I'm gonna fix her.
972
00:49:21,631 --> 00:49:22,671
I'm gonna help her."
973
00:49:22,756 --> 00:49:24,416
She got as much blood
all over her body
974
00:49:24,506 --> 00:49:26,296
as she possibly could.
- Ali did?
975
00:49:26,381 --> 00:49:27,341
- Mm-hmm.
976
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:31,049
I thought
that was very strange.
977
00:49:33,089 --> 00:49:35,379
- Maybe she was
just freaking out.
978
00:49:35,464 --> 00:49:38,424
- Yeah, could be your option.
Not mine.
979
00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:39,586
- I'm just--
980
00:49:39,673 --> 00:49:41,923
- Trying to reason with me
before I go off the deep end?
981
00:49:42,005 --> 00:49:43,005
Thank you.
982
00:49:43,089 --> 00:49:46,129
- It's hard for anyone
983
00:49:46,214 --> 00:49:49,594
to trust a lot of people--
984
00:49:49,673 --> 00:49:51,013
my dad.
985
00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:53,629
People have said things
about the Gifting Tables.
986
00:49:53,714 --> 00:49:55,634
People say things about Ali,
987
00:49:55,714 --> 00:49:58,214
say things about--
- Me.
988
00:49:58,297 --> 00:50:02,587
Everybody thinks I'm crazy,
Madison, and I'm not.
989
00:50:02,673 --> 00:50:05,303
- You're not crazy.
- I'm fucked up.
990
00:50:05,381 --> 00:50:06,801
My life is changed forever.
- Everybody is.
991
00:50:06,881 --> 00:50:07,801
It's a traumatic thing.
992
00:50:07,881 --> 00:50:10,511
- I'm not the same person
I once was,
993
00:50:10,589 --> 00:50:13,009
and I know that.
- Yeah.
994
00:50:13,089 --> 00:50:20,089
♪ ♪
995
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:29,669
She's so open about Ali.
996
00:50:29,756 --> 00:50:31,586
But...
997
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:38,380
If it's not her theory
that I'm entertaining,
998
00:50:38,464 --> 00:50:41,634
she's, like,
immediately defensive.
999
00:50:41,714 --> 00:50:44,174
Like, I want so desperately
1000
00:50:44,255 --> 00:50:48,165
to have a change in people
1001
00:50:48,255 --> 00:50:54,375
so that when
their, like, intimate--
1002
00:50:54,464 --> 00:50:56,344
these intimate versions
of themselves
1003
00:50:56,422 --> 00:50:59,052
are portrayed, like,
they don't--
1004
00:50:59,130 --> 00:51:01,130
it doesn't cause them trauma.
1005
00:51:02,839 --> 00:51:04,209
- Right.
1006
00:51:04,297 --> 00:51:06,877
♪ ♪
1007
00:51:06,964 --> 00:51:08,554
- It's like,
when people watch this,
1008
00:51:08,631 --> 00:51:10,631
they're gonna watch that.
1009
00:51:10,714 --> 00:51:12,214
They're gonna hear
about the hit man.
1010
00:51:12,297 --> 00:51:14,417
They're gonna see
about all of these things.
1011
00:51:14,506 --> 00:51:16,876
And it's just like...
1012
00:51:16,964 --> 00:51:19,594
I just want so desperately
to be like,
1013
00:51:19,673 --> 00:51:24,053
"Hey, like, you gotta level
with this shit.
1014
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:27,260
Otherwise this is what
you're leaving people with."
1015
00:51:27,339 --> 00:51:29,709
♪ ♪
1016
00:51:29,798 --> 00:51:34,588
And I'm afraid that she won't
see it like that.
1017
00:51:34,673 --> 00:51:37,263
It doesn't feel
like there's a, like, good
1018
00:51:37,339 --> 00:51:39,709
that can come from that.
- Right.
1019
00:51:39,798 --> 00:51:46,798
♪ ♪
1020
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:52,589
- What I know is,I saw your mom on Monday.
1021
00:51:52,673 --> 00:51:56,713
Actually, Monday, I saw herat one of the table things.
1022
00:51:56,798 --> 00:51:58,758
Your mom, I'll tell you,on that Monday night
1023
00:51:58,839 --> 00:52:00,799
when we saw her,
1024
00:52:00,881 --> 00:52:03,631
she was glowing, Madison.
1025
00:52:03,714 --> 00:52:06,054
She'd, like, bought herselfsome new clothes,
1026
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:07,420
which she never did,
1027
00:52:07,506 --> 00:52:10,296
and she was just glowingfrom ear to ear,
1028
00:52:10,381 --> 00:52:11,761
and everybody noticed it.
1029
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:12,799
We all said it.
1030
00:52:12,881 --> 00:52:14,461
We said, "You lookso beautiful tonight.
1031
00:52:14,547 --> 00:52:15,917
You look so happy."
1032
00:52:16,005 --> 00:52:18,165
I'm probably not telling youanything helpful, but--
1033
00:52:18,255 --> 00:52:22,375
- No, it's--honestly,
it's nice to know, to hear.
1034
00:52:22,464 --> 00:52:24,134
- Yeah, I mean...
1035
00:52:24,214 --> 00:52:26,344
that was the last timeI saw her, but...
1036
00:52:26,422 --> 00:52:28,962
she called me on Tuesdayand she said that, you know,
1037
00:52:29,047 --> 00:52:34,257
that she had, um,court the next day at 2:00,
1038
00:52:34,339 --> 00:52:37,339
and, um--but she really--
1039
00:52:37,422 --> 00:52:39,962
her appointmentwasn't at 2:00, but she--
1040
00:52:40,047 --> 00:52:41,377
she said it was at 2:00,and she goes,
1041
00:52:41,464 --> 00:52:42,804
"And that's really weirdbecause it's usually
1042
00:52:42,881 --> 00:52:44,131
always in the morning."
1043
00:52:44,214 --> 00:52:45,804
- Yeah.
- So somebody had to have
1044
00:52:45,881 --> 00:52:47,301
told her that.I don't know who told her,
1045
00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:51,171
but she got the informationwrong.
1046
00:52:51,255 --> 00:52:53,165
- Weird.
- Yeah.
1047
00:52:53,255 --> 00:52:56,875
♪ ♪
1048
00:52:56,964 --> 00:52:59,804
- She talked to my mom
at 10:30 at night on the 2nd.
1049
00:52:59,881 --> 00:53:02,171
♪ ♪
1050
00:53:02,255 --> 00:53:04,295
And my mom told her
that the court date
1051
00:53:04,381 --> 00:53:06,341
was at 2:00 p.m.
and that that's weird
1052
00:53:06,422 --> 00:53:08,172
'cause it's always
in the morning.
1053
00:53:08,255 --> 00:53:09,295
Wonder if someone--
1054
00:53:11,964 --> 00:53:12,924
- Yeah.
1055
00:53:14,255 --> 00:53:16,665
I wonder if someone, like--
1056
00:53:16,756 --> 00:53:19,876
This is...
1057
00:53:19,964 --> 00:53:21,384
kind of ridiculous,
but, like,
1058
00:53:21,464 --> 00:53:23,804
I wonder if someone called
impersonating, like, a clerk
1059
00:53:23,881 --> 00:53:25,551
and said
it was gonna be at 2:00.
1060
00:53:25,631 --> 00:53:28,671
♪ ♪
1061
00:53:28,756 --> 00:53:31,376
- So she would be--
- So she would be home.
1062
00:53:31,464 --> 00:53:34,674
It would explainwhy she's in her pajamas.
1063
00:53:34,756 --> 00:53:35,916
- Right.
1064
00:53:40,297 --> 00:53:43,047
- Pure speculation here.
1065
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:45,920
The assailant shows up
1066
00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:48,085
the morning of the 2nd
1067
00:53:48,172 --> 00:53:49,882
thinking it'sthe last opportunity
1068
00:53:49,964 --> 00:53:51,964
'cause it's the daybefore the court date.
1069
00:53:53,297 --> 00:53:55,257
There's a period of timewhile Ali's in school,
1070
00:53:55,339 --> 00:53:57,209
so they, like,arrive at the house
1071
00:53:57,297 --> 00:53:58,877
thinking that my momhas no plans
1072
00:53:58,964 --> 00:54:01,424
but see that someone elseis at the house.
1073
00:54:03,297 --> 00:54:06,207
- I just remember
dark ski mask
1074
00:54:06,297 --> 00:54:08,707
looking in the window
as he was walking
1075
00:54:08,798 --> 00:54:11,048
and thinking,
"That was just really bizarre.
1076
00:54:11,130 --> 00:54:12,710
How bizarre was that?"
1077
00:54:12,798 --> 00:54:14,418
- Fucks that up,
1078
00:54:14,506 --> 00:54:16,336
decides not
to go through with it,
1079
00:54:16,422 --> 00:54:19,842
is scared shitless
that they are being reported
1080
00:54:19,923 --> 00:54:22,923
to the police,
so they need to do it.
1081
00:54:23,005 --> 00:54:24,915
The only way to do it
is the next day,
1082
00:54:25,005 --> 00:54:27,085
but there's not
a big enough opportunity
1083
00:54:27,172 --> 00:54:28,802
'cause my momwould drop Ali off
1084
00:54:28,881 --> 00:54:31,421
and go straight to court,
1085
00:54:31,506 --> 00:54:34,956
so they call her and tell her
1086
00:54:35,047 --> 00:54:37,297
that court got postponed.
1087
00:54:49,047 --> 00:54:53,087
♪ ♪
1088
00:54:53,172 --> 00:54:54,462
- What is this?
1089
00:54:54,547 --> 00:54:56,707
- This is Conway's
witness statement
1090
00:54:56,798 --> 00:54:59,168
to the police...
- Oh, wow.
1091
00:55:00,673 --> 00:55:03,713
- Which we didn't know she had.
1092
00:55:05,005 --> 00:55:06,455
- What does she say?
1093
00:55:06,547 --> 00:55:09,757
"Barbara told me
that she and her attorney,
1094
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:13,589
Rich Callahan, were to be
at court at 2:00 p.m. today."
1095
00:55:15,172 --> 00:55:17,462
For some reason, my mom thinks
that court is at 2:00
1096
00:55:17,547 --> 00:55:19,797
or is telling people
that court is at 2:00.
1097
00:55:19,881 --> 00:55:20,801
- And this is probably
1098
00:55:20,881 --> 00:55:22,301
the best piece
of evidence we have
1099
00:55:22,381 --> 00:55:23,921
because it's
from the day.
1100
00:55:24,005 --> 00:55:25,835
- And we've confirmedwith the court...
1101
00:55:25,923 --> 00:55:29,343
- That it was at 9:30.- That it was at 9:30.
1102
00:55:34,381 --> 00:55:36,211
- Police have my mom's phone.
1103
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:48,549
[videotape whirring]
1104
00:55:48,631 --> 00:55:50,341
- The road is blocked off
by police.
1105
00:55:50,422 --> 00:55:52,962
They are treating this case
as a homicide.
1106
00:55:53,047 --> 00:55:55,667
- Police did not talk
about a suspect.
1107
00:55:55,756 --> 00:55:57,456
- Continue our investigation
into the death
1108
00:55:57,547 --> 00:55:59,667
of Barbara Hamburg.
1109
00:55:59,756 --> 00:56:01,666
- Yes, the chiefdid get your letter.
1110
00:56:01,756 --> 00:56:03,956
He's not goingto be available to meet.
1111
00:56:05,381 --> 00:56:07,381
- So ever since
the Madison Police Department
1112
00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:10,884
told us that they were
gonna issue a full denial
1113
00:56:10,964 --> 00:56:13,464
of our request for records,
I submitted this appeal
1114
00:56:13,547 --> 00:56:15,337
to the Freedom
of Information Commission,
1115
00:56:15,422 --> 00:56:18,012
and now they've decided
to take our appeal,
1116
00:56:18,089 --> 00:56:21,629
so they've assigned
a mediator to our case.
1117
00:56:21,714 --> 00:56:24,344
He said that he called
the Madison Police Department
1118
00:56:24,422 --> 00:56:27,052
and that they seem very firm
1119
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:29,260
and that we're gonna have
to go to a hearing.
1120
00:56:36,089 --> 00:56:37,089
- Okay.
1121
00:56:44,297 --> 00:56:45,297
- Yeah.
1122
00:57:11,381 --> 00:57:12,301
- [chuckles]
I know.
1123
00:57:12,381 --> 00:57:14,631
- A lot of your project.
- I know.
1124
00:57:14,714 --> 00:57:16,464
- My God.
- Thanks. I know.
1125
00:57:23,172 --> 00:57:29,422
♪ ♪
1126
00:57:29,506 --> 00:57:32,586
- So the main issue is,
they've asserted
1127
00:57:32,673 --> 00:57:35,633
that this is an ongoing
and active investigation,
1128
00:57:35,714 --> 00:57:39,884
and our goal will be to show
that it's not actually
1129
00:57:39,964 --> 00:57:42,424
an ongoing and active
investigation
1130
00:57:42,506 --> 00:57:44,416
in anything other than name.
1131
00:57:44,506 --> 00:57:46,046
- It just undercuts the claim
that they're making
1132
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:48,510
that they can't release
any of this information.
1133
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:49,839
- How do you do?- Good.
1134
00:57:49,923 --> 00:57:51,423
- Hey.
- Hey, how you doing?
1135
00:57:51,506 --> 00:57:52,876
- Good to see you.
- Good to see you, man.
1136
00:57:52,964 --> 00:57:54,264
- Hey, Detective Sudock,
good to see you.
1137
00:57:54,339 --> 00:57:56,799
- Hi. Anike.
- Hey, how's it going?
1138
00:57:56,881 --> 00:57:58,051
- Do you solemnly
and sincerely
1139
00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:59,510
affirm and declare
the evidence you shall give
1140
00:57:59,589 --> 00:58:01,129
in the case now in question
shall be the truth,
1141
00:58:01,214 --> 00:58:02,264
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth
1142
00:58:02,339 --> 00:58:03,919
upon the pain and penalty
of perjury?
1143
00:58:04,005 --> 00:58:05,335
- I do.
- Okay.
1144
00:58:05,422 --> 00:58:07,012
- I do.
1145
00:58:07,089 --> 00:58:08,129
- To start, what is
your relationship
1146
00:58:08,214 --> 00:58:09,304
to the deceased?
1147
00:58:09,381 --> 00:58:11,801
- Barbara Hamburg
was my mother.
1148
00:58:11,881 --> 00:58:13,511
- And when was
your mother murdered?
1149
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:15,839
- March 3, 2010.
1150
00:58:16,923 --> 00:58:18,633
- Have you been
in contact with the police
1151
00:58:18,714 --> 00:58:20,464
in the ten years
since the murder?
1152
00:58:20,547 --> 00:58:21,957
- Yes, I have.
1153
00:58:22,047 --> 00:58:26,337
Specifically meetings
in 2013, 2016, and 2019.
1154
00:58:26,422 --> 00:58:28,922
- Turning to the 2019 meeting,
1155
00:58:29,005 --> 00:58:30,795
do you remember
which detective you met with?
1156
00:58:30,881 --> 00:58:32,341
- Detective Sudock.
1157
00:58:32,422 --> 00:58:34,632
[tense music]
1158
00:58:34,714 --> 00:58:37,764
Most any interaction
is in some way recorded
1159
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:40,299
with the police
that I've ever had.
1160
00:58:44,923 --> 00:58:46,963
- I don't think they do.
1161
00:58:47,047 --> 00:58:48,707
- While you were
at this meeting,
1162
00:58:48,798 --> 00:58:50,668
did you make a recording
of the conversation?
1163
00:58:50,756 --> 00:58:52,006
- I did.
1164
00:58:52,089 --> 00:58:53,509
- How did you
make the recording?
1165
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:54,759
- On my phone.
1166
00:59:01,255 --> 00:59:02,505
- We're going to, yes.
1167
00:59:02,589 --> 00:59:04,209
- Well, I'm going to object.
1168
00:59:04,297 --> 00:59:07,047
First of all, this was done
surreptitiously, okay?
1169
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:09,880
Second of all, I don't know
what editing he's done.
1170
00:59:09,964 --> 00:59:11,674
Obviously, he's in a business
where he has access
1171
00:59:11,756 --> 00:59:13,416
to the ability to edit things.
1172
00:59:13,506 --> 00:59:16,336
I'd have to repeat it
to a forensic expert,
1173
00:59:16,422 --> 00:59:17,552
so at this point in time,
1174
00:59:17,631 --> 00:59:20,841
I would object
to admission of the document.
1175
00:59:20,923 --> 00:59:22,843
- Okay, you can take it back.
- Okay.
1176
00:59:22,923 --> 00:59:23,843
- He's testifying under oath
1177
00:59:23,923 --> 00:59:25,673
what's happening
at this meeting.
1178
00:59:25,756 --> 00:59:27,586
♪ ♪
1179
00:59:27,673 --> 00:59:30,383
- Detective Sudock,
in your opinion,
1180
00:59:30,464 --> 00:59:33,384
do you believe
that the disclosure
1181
00:59:33,464 --> 00:59:35,054
of the information
would be prejudicial
1182
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:38,710
to any potential
future law enforcement action?
1183
00:59:38,798 --> 00:59:40,008
- Yes.
1184
00:59:41,214 --> 00:59:42,384
- Do you recall
the last time
1185
00:59:42,464 --> 00:59:45,094
you were either analyzing data
or looking into
1186
00:59:45,172 --> 00:59:47,132
a new possible lead
in this case?
1187
00:59:48,673 --> 00:59:50,053
- Yes, last week,
we had information
1188
00:59:50,130 --> 00:59:51,210
on this investigation.
1189
00:59:51,297 --> 00:59:53,257
Last week.
- Okay.
1190
00:59:53,339 --> 00:59:55,759
- Okay, for the sake of time,
I will cut it off there.
1191
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:57,959
Some key points, thank you.
1192
00:59:58,047 --> 01:00:01,377
- Based on the statementsin the 2019 meeting
1193
01:00:01,464 --> 01:00:03,634
you had with Detective Sudock,
1194
01:00:03,714 --> 01:00:05,594
that goes a long way
towards proving
1195
01:00:05,673 --> 01:00:08,803
that this may just be
an open investigation in name.
1196
01:00:08,881 --> 01:00:11,511
They've had
the same primary suspect
1197
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:14,089
since March 7, 2010.
- Right.
1198
01:00:14,172 --> 01:00:15,632
- Nothing that they've done,
despite the fact
1199
01:00:15,714 --> 01:00:17,344
that they've done hundreds
and hundreds of interviews,
1200
01:00:17,422 --> 01:00:19,172
has gotten them any closer.
- Yeah.
1201
01:00:19,255 --> 01:00:21,875
- So the whole point
is to try to give the image
1202
01:00:21,964 --> 01:00:23,094
that what they're doing is,they're just sitting there
1203
01:00:23,172 --> 01:00:25,132
twiddling their thumbs.
1204
01:00:25,214 --> 01:00:28,054
Detective Sudock,
is an unsolved murder case--
1205
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:31,460
will that ever be closed by
the Madison Police Department?
1206
01:00:32,839 --> 01:00:34,049
- I don't know
the answer to that.
1207
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:35,670
I can't answer that.
1208
01:00:35,756 --> 01:00:37,626
- To your knowledge, is there
any unsolved murder case
1209
01:00:37,714 --> 01:00:40,094
that has been closed by
the Madison Police Department?
1210
01:00:41,339 --> 01:00:44,459
- To my knowledge, this is
the only unsolved homicide
1211
01:00:44,547 --> 01:00:46,797
in Madison at this time.
- Sure.
1212
01:00:46,881 --> 01:00:48,801
So are you aware
of the FOIA request
1213
01:00:48,881 --> 01:00:50,631
that's the subject
of this hearing?
1214
01:00:50,714 --> 01:00:52,964
- I reviewed
the documents, yes.
1215
01:00:53,047 --> 01:00:54,297
- [whispering]
Including the 911 call.
1216
01:00:54,381 --> 01:00:56,761
- Right, and is that including
the 911 call?
1217
01:00:56,839 --> 01:00:57,799
- Mm-hmm.
1218
01:00:57,881 --> 01:00:59,131
- Did you also
review that document
1219
01:00:59,214 --> 01:01:01,634
and determine that it was--
1220
01:01:01,714 --> 01:01:03,804
- I did not review that, no.
1221
01:01:03,881 --> 01:01:05,461
- Okay, and yet
the police department decided
1222
01:01:05,547 --> 01:01:07,457
not to turn over
that document
1223
01:01:07,547 --> 01:01:10,297
in response
to the FOIA request?
1224
01:01:10,381 --> 01:01:12,961
- This is the first time
I'm aware of that, sir.
1225
01:01:13,047 --> 01:01:15,667
In the best of my recollection,
there's no information in there
1226
01:01:15,756 --> 01:01:17,376
that would identify
a perpetrator.
1227
01:01:17,464 --> 01:01:19,674
- Madison Hamburg
today testified
1228
01:01:19,756 --> 01:01:21,706
about a 2019 meeting.
1229
01:01:21,798 --> 01:01:24,168
Do you recall that meeting?
- Yes, sir, I do.
1230
01:01:24,255 --> 01:01:25,255
[videotape whirring]
1231
01:01:36,881 --> 01:01:37,841
- "We've got nothing."
1232
01:01:37,923 --> 01:01:39,053
Do you recall
making that statement?
1233
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:40,800
- Yes, sir, I do.
- Okay.
1234
01:01:40,881 --> 01:01:42,301
Do you recall
making the statement...
1235
01:01:50,255 --> 01:01:51,295
- Do you remember
making that statement
1236
01:01:51,381 --> 01:01:52,511
saying that the case
was held up
1237
01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:53,509
and not moving forward?
1238
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:55,669
- It's possible I said that.
1239
01:01:55,756 --> 01:01:58,336
- Finally, regarding
the DNA in 2010
1240
01:01:58,422 --> 01:02:01,512
in referencing bad kits,
do you recall saying...
1241
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:11,879
I remember
discussing the DNA kits.
1242
01:02:11,964 --> 01:02:13,764
I don't remember
if we used the word "crap"
1243
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:15,049
or anything like that,
1244
01:02:15,130 --> 01:02:17,210
but I remember
that we did discuss those.
1245
01:02:17,297 --> 01:02:19,757
- Beyond the potential updates
in DNA evidence
1246
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:21,419
and DNA testing,
1247
01:02:21,506 --> 01:02:24,126
is there anything else
to investigate?
1248
01:02:25,255 --> 01:02:26,545
- I'm going to object
'cause now we're getting
1249
01:02:26,631 --> 01:02:28,421
right into the core
of the investigation,
1250
01:02:28,506 --> 01:02:30,546
which this whole process
is designed to protect.
1251
01:02:30,631 --> 01:02:32,171
- The detective has admitted
that he stated
1252
01:02:32,255 --> 01:02:33,875
that there are no leads
in this case.
1253
01:02:33,964 --> 01:02:36,214
- He said they got
a lead last week.
1254
01:02:36,297 --> 01:02:37,207
- That's absolutely
correct, sir.
1255
01:02:37,297 --> 01:02:38,207
- Did I not hear that
correctly?
1256
01:02:38,297 --> 01:02:39,207
- Yes, sir.
1257
01:02:39,297 --> 01:02:40,917
- Right, but he hasn't
been able to provide
1258
01:02:41,005 --> 01:02:42,255
anything beyond
a conclusory statement
1259
01:02:42,339 --> 01:02:43,919
that this is ongoing.
1260
01:02:44,005 --> 01:02:45,415
♪ ♪
1261
01:02:45,506 --> 01:02:47,916
- I have a witness last week,
seven days ago.
1262
01:02:48,005 --> 01:02:48,915
That's ongoing.
1263
01:02:49,005 --> 01:02:50,415
- The witness that you
interviewed last week,
1264
01:02:50,506 --> 01:02:52,626
is that somebody that you had
previously never interviewed?
1265
01:02:52,714 --> 01:02:54,214
- I think you're getting
too much
1266
01:02:54,297 --> 01:02:56,457
into the details of the case,
and I would object.
1267
01:02:58,506 --> 01:02:59,956
- No further questions.
1268
01:03:00,047 --> 01:03:03,207
♪ ♪
1269
01:03:03,297 --> 01:03:05,707
- I just have one question.
1270
01:03:05,798 --> 01:03:07,708
You're claiming
release of information
1271
01:03:07,798 --> 01:03:10,088
would be prejudicial
to a prospective
1272
01:03:10,172 --> 01:03:11,802
law enforcement action.
1273
01:03:11,881 --> 01:03:14,461
What prospective
law enforcement action
1274
01:03:14,547 --> 01:03:16,337
would be prejudiced?
1275
01:03:17,714 --> 01:03:20,214
- It could be a search warrant.
It could be an arrest warrant.
1276
01:03:20,297 --> 01:03:22,127
It could be another scene.
1277
01:03:22,214 --> 01:03:24,804
I mean, there's so many things
it could be.
1278
01:03:24,881 --> 01:03:27,301
I mean, I could go on
with speculating,
1279
01:03:27,381 --> 01:03:28,841
but I don't know.
1280
01:03:29,714 --> 01:03:32,674
But I know there's
information in there
1281
01:03:32,756 --> 01:03:35,796
that I need,
and that information,
1282
01:03:35,881 --> 01:03:36,961
in my opinion,
1283
01:03:37,047 --> 01:03:39,627
should be kept--remain
with the police department
1284
01:03:39,714 --> 01:03:42,304
and not be public
because it's only gonna hamper
1285
01:03:42,381 --> 01:03:46,761
any further investigative tool
or technique
1286
01:03:46,839 --> 01:03:48,629
that we would have
in the future.
1287
01:03:48,714 --> 01:03:51,464
- Okay, that's good.
Thank you very much,
1288
01:03:51,547 --> 01:03:54,757
- With that, I will close
this hearing at 4:30 p.m.
1289
01:03:54,839 --> 01:04:01,839
♪ ♪
1290
01:04:05,714 --> 01:04:07,054
- See you, Chief Drumm.
1291
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:08,300
- I'll wait to from you
in the future.
1292
01:04:08,381 --> 01:04:09,631
- Sounds good.
1293
01:04:13,214 --> 01:04:15,594
- I won't.
I won't.
1294
01:04:33,547 --> 01:04:34,757
- Mm-hmm.
1295
01:04:36,923 --> 01:04:40,013
It sounds like we're gonna get
the 911 phone call,
1296
01:04:40,089 --> 01:04:41,669
but even if they release that,
1297
01:04:41,756 --> 01:04:43,876
it's still gonna be months
before we get a decision
1298
01:04:43,964 --> 01:04:45,764
about the rest
of the case file.
1299
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:52,839
♪ ♪
1300
01:05:00,506 --> 01:05:02,336
It says,
"Following the Connecticut
1301
01:05:02,422 --> 01:05:03,712
"Freedom of Information
Commission hearing
1302
01:05:03,798 --> 01:05:05,168
"on February 19, 2020,
1303
01:05:05,255 --> 01:05:06,875
"we reviewed
the 911 telephone call
1304
01:05:06,964 --> 01:05:08,844
"placed by
Barbara Alexandra Hamburg
1305
01:05:08,923 --> 01:05:10,713
"and Conway Beach
associated with this matter.
1306
01:05:10,798 --> 01:05:12,878
"After consideration,
we concluded that such
1307
01:05:12,964 --> 01:05:14,174
"should be released to you
1308
01:05:14,255 --> 01:05:17,375
"pursuant
to your October 18, 2019,
1309
01:05:17,464 --> 01:05:20,014
Freedom of Information
request."
1310
01:05:20,089 --> 01:05:21,509
This is the call.
1311
01:05:28,339 --> 01:05:30,089
[breathes deeply]
1312
01:05:30,172 --> 01:05:31,512
Okay.
1313
01:05:34,339 --> 01:05:36,009
I'm gonna listen to it.
1314
01:05:37,964 --> 01:05:39,764
- 911.[unintelligible]
1315
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:44,419
- I need someoneat 44 Middle Beach Road.
1316
01:05:44,506 --> 01:05:46,916
Right now.My sister [unintelligible].
1317
01:05:47,005 --> 01:05:48,585
I don't know.
1318
01:05:48,673 --> 01:05:51,593
[suspenseful music]
1319
01:05:51,673 --> 01:05:58,673
♪ ♪
1320
01:06:25,881 --> 01:06:27,551
- [grunts]
1321
01:06:33,714 --> 01:06:38,134
It just brings meback to this moment where--
1322
01:06:38,214 --> 01:06:42,214
when Ali
told me about it.
1323
01:06:42,297 --> 01:06:45,757
I thought that they were wrong
1324
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:49,209
and that, like, there's
a chance that she was alive.
1325
01:06:51,923 --> 01:06:55,423
Like, I just listened to them
realizing that she's dead.
1326
01:07:54,130 --> 01:07:55,170
- Mm-hmm.
1327
01:08:28,297 --> 01:08:29,297
- I know.
1328
01:08:48,339 --> 01:08:51,549
We finally found the recordof Ali getting to school,
1329
01:08:51,631 --> 01:08:55,091
signing in at Kara's desk
at 7:54 a.m.
1330
01:08:56,047 --> 01:08:57,797
- You're shitting me.
- No.
1331
01:08:57,881 --> 01:09:00,421
- They finally found that?
- Yeah.
1332
01:09:01,714 --> 01:09:03,714
- You're positive?- Yeah.
1333
01:09:07,047 --> 01:09:09,007
So Ali had to wake up Mom.- Mm-hmm.
1334
01:09:09,089 --> 01:09:10,959
- Takes her to schoolin her pajamas.
1335
01:09:11,047 --> 01:09:12,797
- Drops her off.
1336
01:09:12,881 --> 01:09:15,171
Ali signs in.
1337
01:09:15,255 --> 01:09:17,125
Mom drives home.
1338
01:09:17,214 --> 01:09:19,804
Because she'sstill in her pajamas,
1339
01:09:19,881 --> 01:09:22,131
she was probably walkingfrom the car
1340
01:09:22,214 --> 01:09:24,594
to the door,and that's where it happened.
1341
01:09:24,673 --> 01:09:25,633
- Mm.
1342
01:09:25,714 --> 01:09:28,214
- And that's, like,my best speculation.
1343
01:09:29,756 --> 01:09:30,706
- Mm.
1344
01:09:32,255 --> 01:09:33,665
Damn.
1345
01:09:35,381 --> 01:09:40,211
Who the fuck--I mean, really,who would do this?
1346
01:09:40,297 --> 01:09:42,547
- I don't know.
- Mm.
1347
01:09:44,714 --> 01:09:46,014
[sighs]
1348
01:09:46,089 --> 01:09:49,209
You know, maybe I needto relook at this another way.
1349
01:09:49,297 --> 01:09:50,417
- Yeah.
1350
01:09:52,464 --> 01:09:54,514
- Okay.
1351
01:09:54,589 --> 01:09:56,049
Thank you.
1352
01:09:57,255 --> 01:09:59,375
[sniffles, sighs]
1353
01:10:02,089 --> 01:10:05,209
- You know,I was reading your notes
1354
01:10:05,297 --> 01:10:08,297
from when you and Aliwere going to therapy.
1355
01:10:10,673 --> 01:10:13,423
And I could readhow much you cared
1356
01:10:13,506 --> 01:10:16,166
and how much stressit was putting on you
1357
01:10:16,255 --> 01:10:17,795
to take care of Ali.
1358
01:10:20,297 --> 01:10:23,507
I know that my momwould be grateful
1359
01:10:23,589 --> 01:10:25,259
that you stepped up.
1360
01:10:25,339 --> 01:10:27,259
You didn't have to, but--
1361
01:10:27,339 --> 01:10:29,169
- No.
1362
01:10:29,255 --> 01:10:30,705
- My mom can't say thank you,
1363
01:10:30,798 --> 01:10:35,378
so I'm just gonna saythank you for doing that.
1364
01:10:35,464 --> 01:10:38,054
- Well, your momgave me the strength.
1365
01:10:38,130 --> 01:10:39,920
I do know that.
1366
01:10:40,005 --> 01:10:42,915
[soft dramatic music]
1367
01:10:43,005 --> 01:10:44,915
♪ ♪
1368
01:10:45,005 --> 01:10:46,505
- Hey.
1369
01:10:46,589 --> 01:10:49,379
♪ ♪
1370
01:10:49,464 --> 01:10:52,424
- What'd the taxi say
about all of this?
1371
01:10:52,506 --> 01:10:58,086
♪ ♪
1372
01:10:58,172 --> 01:10:59,342
- Hola.
1373
01:11:01,172 --> 01:11:02,382
- Oh!
- Hey.
1374
01:11:04,964 --> 01:11:07,134
- [speaking Spanish]
- [chuckles]
1375
01:11:07,214 --> 01:11:09,344
Hello, amigo.
1376
01:11:10,297 --> 01:11:12,047
- Yeah, nice to meet you too.
1377
01:11:12,130 --> 01:11:17,920
♪ ♪
1378
01:11:18,005 --> 01:11:18,915
- Hello.
- Hello.
1379
01:11:19,005 --> 01:11:21,915
- Madison, how are you?
1380
01:11:22,005 --> 01:11:24,205
- Good. How are you?
- [smooches, laughs]
1381
01:11:24,297 --> 01:11:27,587
[indistinct chatter]
1382
01:11:27,673 --> 01:11:32,173
♪ ♪
1383
01:11:34,339 --> 01:11:37,259
- Has Ali told you
about mi madre?
1384
01:11:37,339 --> 01:11:39,759
- Oh, yes.
- He knows everything.
1385
01:11:39,839 --> 01:11:43,879
- She was pretty.
The same, Ali?
1386
01:11:43,964 --> 01:11:45,674
- Oh, they look alike.
- We look alike.
1387
01:11:45,756 --> 01:11:46,836
- Yeah, sí.
- Yeah.
1388
01:11:46,923 --> 01:11:48,883
- I love Barbara, yeah.
1389
01:11:53,547 --> 01:11:58,127
- So I wantedto tell you something,
1390
01:11:58,214 --> 01:12:02,424
and I'm worried
1391
01:12:02,506 --> 01:12:04,456
about telling you.- Okay.
1392
01:12:04,547 --> 01:12:06,087
Go ahead, tell me.
1393
01:12:06,172 --> 01:12:08,762
- So...
1394
01:12:08,839 --> 01:12:11,089
Conway...
- Mm-hmm.
1395
01:12:11,172 --> 01:12:15,012
- Has suspicions
that you had something to do
1396
01:12:15,089 --> 01:12:16,799
with Mom's death.
1397
01:12:16,881 --> 01:12:18,551
- Okay.
1398
01:12:18,631 --> 01:12:23,461
- And she's been
really adamant about it,
1399
01:12:23,547 --> 01:12:26,797
and I don't want you
to find out that out
1400
01:12:26,881 --> 01:12:28,881
through the film.
1401
01:12:28,964 --> 01:12:30,174
- Okay.
1402
01:12:30,255 --> 01:12:32,335
Thank you for telling me.
1403
01:12:32,422 --> 01:12:34,212
- I'm sorry...
- Yeah.
1404
01:12:34,297 --> 01:12:39,507
- That this has affected
her and you this way.
1405
01:12:39,589 --> 01:12:42,339
- Yeah, you don't
have to be sorry.
1406
01:12:42,422 --> 01:12:44,422
I honestly think
1407
01:12:44,506 --> 01:12:48,756
that everyone knows where
that accusation is coming from.
1408
01:12:48,839 --> 01:12:50,009
- What do you mean?
1409
01:12:50,089 --> 01:12:51,959
- I mean,
it's coming from Conway,
1410
01:12:52,047 --> 01:12:54,167
and Conway
has her own problems,
1411
01:12:54,255 --> 01:12:56,005
and she's a very hurt person,
1412
01:12:56,089 --> 01:12:58,669
and hurt people
1413
01:12:58,756 --> 01:13:01,836
don't always act...
1414
01:13:01,923 --> 01:13:04,513
in the most sound manners
1415
01:13:04,589 --> 01:13:08,419
and don't have
the most sound perspectives.
1416
01:13:08,506 --> 01:13:09,376
- Yeah.
1417
01:13:09,464 --> 01:13:11,554
- And I don't
hold that against her
1418
01:13:11,631 --> 01:13:13,881
'cause she's sick.
- Yeah.
1419
01:13:13,964 --> 01:13:15,924
- I really don't.
I'm not angry.
1420
01:13:16,005 --> 01:13:18,045
I'm not even surprised.
1421
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:19,760
I mean, I've gone through
so much therapy
1422
01:13:19,839 --> 01:13:22,049
since Mom died
just trying to work on myself
1423
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:23,710
and become a better person
1424
01:13:23,798 --> 01:13:25,878
and overcome
everything that happened,
1425
01:13:25,964 --> 01:13:29,514
and you really realize
that when a tragedy happens,
1426
01:13:29,589 --> 01:13:31,049
you have a decision.
1427
01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:32,260
This is a fork in the road.
1428
01:13:32,339 --> 01:13:35,419
You can stay in what happened,
in the trauma,
1429
01:13:35,506 --> 01:13:37,506
or you can move forward.
- Mm-hmm.
1430
01:13:37,589 --> 01:13:40,419
- And I think that I chosethe path of moving forward
1431
01:13:40,506 --> 01:13:43,376
and Conway was not capableof moving forward
1432
01:13:43,464 --> 01:13:46,344
and chose the pathof staying in it.
1433
01:13:46,422 --> 01:13:47,592
♪ ♪
1434
01:13:47,673 --> 01:13:49,713
Moving forwarddoesn't mean escaping it,
1435
01:13:49,798 --> 01:13:51,208
doesn't mean--no.
1436
01:13:51,297 --> 01:13:53,127
It means making somethingof your life
1437
01:13:53,214 --> 01:13:55,304
'cause that'swhat Mom would've wanted.
1438
01:13:55,381 --> 01:13:56,551
♪ ♪
1439
01:13:56,631 --> 01:13:59,051
I'm so happy you're here.
1440
01:13:59,130 --> 01:14:00,630
It's importantthat I have someone
1441
01:14:00,714 --> 01:14:02,054
in my family here with me.
1442
01:14:02,130 --> 01:14:04,380
- Yeah?- Yeah.
1443
01:14:04,464 --> 01:14:08,464
It means a lot for me
to be marrying here
1444
01:14:08,547 --> 01:14:12,377
because all I've wanted
ever since Mom died is a home,
1445
01:14:13,673 --> 01:14:14,633
and I've looked,
and I've looked,
1446
01:14:14,714 --> 01:14:17,054
and I finally found a home.
1447
01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:19,260
It's a home, and it
doesn't matter where I am.
1448
01:14:19,339 --> 01:14:20,799
I could be here,
I can be in the United States,
1449
01:14:20,881 --> 01:14:22,261
but I have a home.
1450
01:14:22,339 --> 01:14:23,669
I have roots.
1451
01:14:28,005 --> 01:14:32,255
♪ ♪
1452
01:14:32,339 --> 01:14:34,339
[speaking Spanish]
- [wolf whistle]
1453
01:14:34,422 --> 01:14:35,842
- Sí.
1454
01:14:35,923 --> 01:14:37,923
- Hey.
Mwah.
1455
01:14:38,005 --> 01:14:45,005
♪ ♪
1456
01:14:48,047 --> 01:14:51,047
- [speaking Spanish]
1457
01:15:01,547 --> 01:15:02,457
- Hamburg.
1458
01:15:02,547 --> 01:15:04,297
[laughter]
1459
01:15:04,381 --> 01:15:07,261
- Barbara Alexandra Hamburg.
1460
01:15:07,339 --> 01:15:08,339
[laughter]
1461
01:15:42,756 --> 01:15:45,666
[applause]
1462
01:15:45,756 --> 01:15:48,506
♪ ♪
1463
01:15:48,589 --> 01:15:50,839
- I also came acrossa letter I wrote to Ali
1464
01:15:50,923 --> 01:15:53,343
but never gave it to her.
1465
01:15:53,422 --> 01:15:56,512
"Dear Ali, my heart is broken.
1466
01:15:56,589 --> 01:15:59,089
"You are my sister's daughter.
1467
01:15:59,172 --> 01:16:01,882
"I love you,and we are family.
1468
01:16:01,964 --> 01:16:04,304
"Blood is thicker than water.
1469
01:16:04,381 --> 01:16:07,921
"I hope one day, you'llunderstand what I mean by that
1470
01:16:08,005 --> 01:16:09,875
"and embrace meand the idea
1471
01:16:09,964 --> 01:16:15,094
"that family includesthe good, the bad, the ugly.
1472
01:16:15,172 --> 01:16:16,922
"The tears will never end,
1473
01:16:17,005 --> 01:16:20,205
"but you and Ican always begin again.
1474
01:16:20,297 --> 01:16:22,547
I love you all the world,baby girl."
1475
01:16:22,631 --> 01:16:25,551
[cheers and laughter]
1476
01:16:25,631 --> 01:16:32,631
♪ ♪
1477
01:16:47,047 --> 01:16:49,757
- Madison, who's that?
1478
01:16:49,839 --> 01:16:51,259
- Mommy.
- Who's this?
1479
01:16:51,339 --> 01:16:53,549
- Mama, Mommy.
Daddy.
1480
01:16:53,631 --> 01:16:56,381
- And who's this?
- Mommy.
1481
01:17:03,297 --> 01:17:06,337
My relationship with my dadis really confusing,
1482
01:17:06,422 --> 01:17:09,092
and the factthat I'm making a documentary
1483
01:17:09,172 --> 01:17:11,592
about my lifeand it's a secret to him
1484
01:17:11,673 --> 01:17:14,093
is a huge weight.
1485
01:17:14,172 --> 01:17:15,632
Part of me thinksthat the only reason
1486
01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:18,174
I'm keeping
this relationship afloat
1487
01:17:18,255 --> 01:17:21,005
is because of this documentary.
1488
01:17:21,089 --> 01:17:22,259
- Yeah.
1489
01:17:22,339 --> 01:17:25,879
- I just hope
that by the end of this,
1490
01:17:25,964 --> 01:17:29,094
if he watches this,
1491
01:17:29,172 --> 01:17:32,302
that...
1492
01:17:32,381 --> 01:17:34,171
he'll understand.
1493
01:17:35,839 --> 01:17:39,049
The pros and cons are starting
to get really gray...
1494
01:17:41,589 --> 01:17:44,759
Unless he had something
to do with it.
1495
01:18:16,881 --> 01:18:18,761
- [whispering]
Fuck, man.
1496
01:18:23,923 --> 01:18:28,423
Do I tell him that I've been
making this this whole time?
1497
01:18:36,923 --> 01:18:39,093
[line rings]
1498
01:18:41,005 --> 01:18:42,165
- Hey.
1499
01:18:42,255 --> 01:18:44,705
- Hey, what's up?
- How you doing?
1500
01:18:44,798 --> 01:18:47,048
- I'm good.
Sorry to call you so late.
1501
01:18:47,130 --> 01:18:48,050
- It's all right.
1502
01:18:48,130 --> 01:18:50,210
- Or just a lot later
than I told you.
1503
01:18:50,297 --> 01:18:53,207
- Yeah.Everything all right?
1504
01:18:53,297 --> 01:18:54,297
- Um...
1505
01:18:55,464 --> 01:18:56,384
No.
1506
01:18:56,464 --> 01:18:59,764
I need to talk to you
about something.
1507
01:18:59,839 --> 01:19:01,209
- Okay.
1508
01:19:01,297 --> 01:19:03,047
- I have looked
into every aspect
1509
01:19:03,130 --> 01:19:05,840
of my mom's life...
- Yeah.
1510
01:19:05,923 --> 01:19:08,263
- And I've started
to dredge up things
1511
01:19:08,339 --> 01:19:12,879
that she was holding on to
that involve you.
1512
01:19:12,964 --> 01:19:14,674
- Uh-huh.
- [sighs]
1513
01:19:14,756 --> 01:19:15,706
I don't--
1514
01:19:15,798 --> 01:19:18,008
- I have no ideawhat you're talking about,
1515
01:19:18,089 --> 01:19:21,259
and your mom was--you know?
1516
01:19:21,339 --> 01:19:24,759
I mean, she made all kindsof off-the-rail--
1517
01:19:24,839 --> 01:19:27,759
I mean, she was--she was a [unintelligible].
1518
01:19:27,839 --> 01:19:31,339
- My mom is writing letterswhile she's sober.
1519
01:19:31,422 --> 01:19:33,802
There's correspondencefrom 2009
1520
01:19:33,881 --> 01:19:38,051
saying that you told her
1521
01:19:38,130 --> 01:19:40,760
that your life was in danger,
1522
01:19:40,839 --> 01:19:44,009
that me and my sisterand my mom were unknown
1523
01:19:44,089 --> 01:19:48,459
to your overseas activitiesto keep us safe.
1524
01:19:48,547 --> 01:19:52,377
You know, I've sort of dug
into public registries
1525
01:19:52,464 --> 01:19:55,424
just to see the validity
of these documents.
1526
01:19:55,506 --> 01:19:57,126
- Are you recording this?Are you recording this?
1527
01:19:57,214 --> 01:19:59,174
- Yes, I'm recording this.
1528
01:20:03,089 --> 01:20:04,919
- Okay, well,I have nothing to say,
1529
01:20:05,005 --> 01:20:08,295
and I have no--
1530
01:20:08,381 --> 01:20:10,261
I have no ideawhat's going on,
1531
01:20:10,339 --> 01:20:11,959
and I don't know what you're--
1532
01:20:12,047 --> 01:20:13,667
why you're acting this way,
1533
01:20:13,756 --> 01:20:15,756
and I don't knowwhat you have.
1534
01:20:15,839 --> 01:20:17,669
You know,I'm completely in the dark.
1535
01:20:17,756 --> 01:20:22,956
- Okay, well, it looks like
there are deals with IEC,
1536
01:20:23,047 --> 01:20:25,627
Summa Finance,Cleontia Investments,
1537
01:20:25,714 --> 01:20:27,304
Pinnacle One.
1538
01:20:27,381 --> 01:20:29,461
Your name are onthese business registries
1539
01:20:29,547 --> 01:20:31,127
in different countries
1540
01:20:31,214 --> 01:20:34,424
and mentionedin the divorce proceedings.
1541
01:20:34,506 --> 01:20:36,916
Why are these different
international businesses
1542
01:20:37,005 --> 01:20:39,955
registered to you
if you know nothing about it?
1543
01:20:40,047 --> 01:20:42,297
- You're presupposingsomething nefarious happened,
1544
01:20:42,381 --> 01:20:45,011
so it's a fantasy,and it's something
1545
01:20:45,089 --> 01:20:46,959
that somebody'smaking up, and--
1546
01:20:47,047 --> 01:20:48,667
- Who is making it up?
1547
01:20:48,756 --> 01:20:50,956
- I don't know.You tell me.
1548
01:20:51,047 --> 01:20:53,337
- Who would--
who could make this up?
1549
01:20:53,422 --> 01:20:54,962
- I have no idea.
1550
01:20:55,047 --> 01:20:57,167
I certainly am not gonnasit here and speculate
1551
01:20:57,255 --> 01:21:00,125
on something that Idon't have in front of me
1552
01:21:00,214 --> 01:21:02,054
nor do I careto answer about.
1553
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:04,010
I mean, it's just in the past,
1554
01:21:04,089 --> 01:21:07,419
and, you know, there's nothingI did that was wrong,
1555
01:21:07,506 --> 01:21:10,376
and when you are donewith this,
1556
01:21:10,464 --> 01:21:12,554
maybe we'll get together,
1557
01:21:12,631 --> 01:21:16,091
but I havenothing more to say.
1558
01:21:16,172 --> 01:21:18,672
- I know,
but I'm going to dig deeper,
1559
01:21:18,756 --> 01:21:23,166
but if I do that, am I
putting myself in danger?
1560
01:21:23,255 --> 01:21:25,665
- This is absurd.
1561
01:21:25,756 --> 01:21:27,376
This is really absurd.
1562
01:21:27,464 --> 01:21:29,714
If you want to talk to mefather and son,
1563
01:21:29,798 --> 01:21:31,548
it's fine,but I'm not gonna talk
1564
01:21:31,631 --> 01:21:32,881
to you about this anymore.
1565
01:21:32,964 --> 01:21:36,424
This is obviously...
1566
01:21:36,506 --> 01:21:38,876
some crap, so...
1567
01:21:38,964 --> 01:21:40,924
♪ ♪
1568
01:21:41,005 --> 01:21:43,045
- I don't know what to say.
1569
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:47,050
I don't know if you got
caught up in this stuff,
1570
01:21:47,130 --> 01:21:52,050
and I don't know why my mom
was so worried about it,
1571
01:21:52,130 --> 01:21:54,420
and I don't know
if I should be worried.
1572
01:21:54,506 --> 01:21:56,546
♪ ♪
1573
01:21:56,631 --> 01:21:57,591
- Is that it?
1574
01:21:57,673 --> 01:22:00,553
♪ ♪
1575
01:22:00,631 --> 01:22:02,381
Okay.[coughs]
1576
01:22:02,464 --> 01:22:04,174
Bye.
1577
01:22:04,255 --> 01:22:07,875
[line clicks]
1578
01:22:08,005 --> 01:22:09,505
[line beeps]
1579
01:22:11,631 --> 01:22:13,341
- He hung up on me.
1580
01:22:16,506 --> 01:22:18,456
He did say,"Maybe after all of this,
1581
01:22:18,547 --> 01:22:20,797
we can talk about it."
1582
01:22:20,881 --> 01:22:23,591
But I thinkthat until he reaches out
1583
01:22:23,673 --> 01:22:27,923
and tells mesomething truthful,
1584
01:22:28,005 --> 01:22:29,915
I think that's it.
1585
01:22:30,005 --> 01:22:31,835
What else do I have to say?
1586
01:22:34,881 --> 01:22:36,591
You know,
what's crazy is, like,
1587
01:22:36,673 --> 01:22:39,633
outside of all of this...
1588
01:22:39,714 --> 01:22:42,714
I still want to have
a relationship with my dad.
1589
01:22:45,381 --> 01:22:47,091
He keeps talking
about wanting to live out
1590
01:22:47,172 --> 01:22:49,092
the rest of his life
1591
01:22:49,214 --> 01:22:51,714
without thinking
about any of this stuff.
1592
01:22:54,923 --> 01:22:56,673
What the fuck happened?
1593
01:22:59,798 --> 01:23:02,798
I may never know
what happened to my mom,
1594
01:23:02,881 --> 01:23:05,761
and it may not have
anything to do with this.
1595
01:23:08,714 --> 01:23:11,964
We don't know if anyof this stuff is criminal.
1596
01:23:12,047 --> 01:23:15,587
We only know that he's neverbeen charged with anything.
1597
01:23:15,673 --> 01:23:18,463
But I'll never stop,
1598
01:23:18,547 --> 01:23:21,667
because I wake up,and I look in the mirror,
1599
01:23:21,756 --> 01:23:23,296
and I see her.
1600
01:23:23,381 --> 01:23:26,261
- Family and friendsof Barbara Hamburg
1601
01:23:26,339 --> 01:23:28,459
gathering at theFirst Congregational Church
1602
01:23:28,547 --> 01:23:29,457
to remember her life.
1603
01:23:29,547 --> 01:23:31,627
She was found deadoutside her home
1604
01:23:31,714 --> 01:23:33,554
on March 3, 2010.
1605
01:23:33,631 --> 01:23:35,671
We are coming upon the tenth anniversary
1606
01:23:35,756 --> 01:23:37,546
of her death.
1607
01:23:37,631 --> 01:23:41,921
- I could say a million things
about my mom.
1608
01:23:42,005 --> 01:23:44,005
I think her memory exists
in fragments
1609
01:23:44,089 --> 01:23:46,509
spread across the lives
that she touched,
1610
01:23:46,589 --> 01:23:49,709
and I think today there's
enough of those fragments
1611
01:23:49,798 --> 01:23:52,918
together for this to matter.
1612
01:23:55,047 --> 01:23:57,547
Dear Mom,
1613
01:23:57,631 --> 01:24:01,171
when you died,
I lost my will to live.
1614
01:24:01,255 --> 01:24:03,455
My world suddenly
became a place
1615
01:24:03,547 --> 01:24:06,667
where murders can happen
to people I loved
1616
01:24:06,756 --> 01:24:09,046
and go unsolved,
1617
01:24:09,130 --> 01:24:11,170
and I couldn't handle that.
1618
01:24:11,255 --> 01:24:13,505
I decided
that finding your killer
1619
01:24:13,589 --> 01:24:16,419
was going to give me
a reason enough to live.
1620
01:24:16,506 --> 01:24:18,836
It would give me purpose.
1621
01:24:18,923 --> 01:24:21,673
So I started asking questions
seven years ago.
1622
01:24:21,756 --> 01:24:23,206
- Whoa!
1623
01:24:23,297 --> 01:24:25,207
- And when I startedto look into your life
1624
01:24:25,297 --> 01:24:27,417
for clues about your death,I quickly realized
1625
01:24:27,506 --> 01:24:29,876
that I didn't really know you.
1626
01:24:29,964 --> 01:24:31,514
I learnedabout your childhood,
1627
01:24:31,589 --> 01:24:32,919
your first crush,
1628
01:24:33,005 --> 01:24:35,205
when you fell in lovewith my dad.
1629
01:24:35,297 --> 01:24:38,127
I read in your lettersand scrap pieces of paper
1630
01:24:38,214 --> 01:24:41,094
about your biggest fears,the toll of your divorce,
1631
01:24:41,172 --> 01:24:43,382
the stark truthabout your alcoholism,
1632
01:24:43,464 --> 01:24:46,174
and the inspiring storyof your recovery.
1633
01:24:46,255 --> 01:24:47,705
I learned you weren't a saint
1634
01:24:47,798 --> 01:24:51,208
and you made decisions
that you morally questioned.
1635
01:24:51,297 --> 01:24:52,837
- Watch out!
1636
01:24:52,923 --> 01:24:54,673
- But one thing was constant.
1637
01:24:54,756 --> 01:24:57,256
- Yay, Madison!
1638
01:24:57,339 --> 01:24:59,799
- Your world revolvedaround your children,
1639
01:24:59,881 --> 01:25:01,881
around me and my sister, Ali.
1640
01:25:01,964 --> 01:25:02,964
- You're on, baby.
1641
01:25:03,047 --> 01:25:05,457
- There's the carpet
right there.
1642
01:25:05,547 --> 01:25:07,547
- Every so often,something triggers me
1643
01:25:07,631 --> 01:25:10,301
to rememberthat this is all real.
1644
01:25:10,381 --> 01:25:11,461
- Say hi.
1645
01:25:11,547 --> 01:25:13,587
- I'll see a mother and songetting ice cream...
1646
01:25:13,673 --> 01:25:14,593
[chuckles]
1647
01:25:14,673 --> 01:25:16,343
Or I'll seemy friends' mothers
1648
01:25:16,422 --> 01:25:18,672
watch them get married,have kids.
1649
01:25:20,339 --> 01:25:22,379
I will neverhave that with you.
1650
01:25:23,381 --> 01:25:25,551
I would give anything
to go back
1651
01:25:25,631 --> 01:25:27,961
and tell you how proud
of you I was...
1652
01:25:29,673 --> 01:25:31,763
And how inspiring
and beautiful you were.
1653
01:25:31,839 --> 01:25:33,879
If I could just do that,
1654
01:25:33,964 --> 01:25:36,924
maybe that wouldgive me a purpose.
1655
01:25:37,005 --> 01:25:39,455
If my film could bemy way of telling you
1656
01:25:39,547 --> 01:25:41,667
"I love you" one last time.
1657
01:25:41,756 --> 01:25:43,416
Check, one two, one two.
1658
01:25:44,923 --> 01:25:47,633
Mom, all you wanted for mewas to be happy
1659
01:25:47,714 --> 01:25:48,634
and healthy,
1660
01:25:48,714 --> 01:25:50,134
to have a strongsupport group,
1661
01:25:50,214 --> 01:25:52,134
to follow my dreams,and to stand up
1662
01:25:52,214 --> 01:25:53,964
for what I believe in.
1663
01:25:54,047 --> 01:25:56,207
And through obsessingover your story
1664
01:25:56,297 --> 01:25:58,127
and over your death,I've learned
1665
01:25:58,214 --> 01:25:59,964
that I don't haveto simply accept
1666
01:26:00,047 --> 01:26:02,957
the world I was running from,
1667
01:26:03,047 --> 01:26:06,127
the world where murdersgo unsolved.
1668
01:26:06,214 --> 01:26:09,094
I can fight to holdthat world accountable.
1669
01:26:10,506 --> 01:26:12,956
I may not have foundthe meaning of life
1670
01:26:13,047 --> 01:26:15,957
or who and whatI'm doing this story for,
1671
01:26:16,047 --> 01:26:19,337
but, Mom,
1672
01:26:19,422 --> 01:26:21,962
you don't have to worry
about your son anymore.
1673
01:26:22,047 --> 01:26:26,507
♪ ♪
1674
01:26:26,589 --> 01:26:28,509
Love, Madison.
1675
01:26:28,589 --> 01:26:32,339
♪ ♪
1676
01:26:32,422 --> 01:26:33,842
- Her death has gone unsolved,
1677
01:26:33,923 --> 01:26:37,013
listed as a cold case,adding to the pain here.
1678
01:26:37,089 --> 01:26:41,799
Her son with a messageto whoever killed his mother.
1679
01:26:41,881 --> 01:26:45,671
- If you're out there,
the person who killed my mom...
1680
01:26:45,756 --> 01:26:48,336
♪ ♪
1681
01:26:48,422 --> 01:26:52,632
You must be living
with such a weight,
1682
01:26:52,714 --> 01:26:55,714
and I feel sorry
for what you must be carrying.
1683
01:26:55,798 --> 01:26:59,128
♪ ♪
1684
01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:01,264
If I could ask you
one question,
1685
01:27:01,339 --> 01:27:03,589
it would just be, "Why?"
1686
01:27:03,673 --> 01:27:06,093
Maybe it was
a terrible mistake.
1687
01:27:06,172 --> 01:27:09,422
♪ ♪
1688
01:27:09,506 --> 01:27:13,166
Why not relieve yourself?
1689
01:27:13,255 --> 01:27:17,545
Please turn yourself in.
1690
01:27:17,631 --> 01:27:20,011
Let us know why, at least.
1691
01:27:20,089 --> 01:27:27,089
♪ ♪
1692
01:27:31,297 --> 01:27:33,877
Come on in.
- Whoo!
1693
01:27:33,964 --> 01:27:36,634
- Hi there.
1694
01:27:36,714 --> 01:27:39,384
- Hey, guys, before we eat,
1695
01:27:39,464 --> 01:27:42,924
I just wantedto give you guys something.
1696
01:27:43,005 --> 01:27:46,795
In 2013, we spread
my mom's ashes
1697
01:27:46,881 --> 01:27:48,381
in Maine.
1698
01:27:48,464 --> 01:27:50,844
I thought
that there weren't any left,
1699
01:27:50,923 --> 01:27:54,593
and when Conway and I
went to Florida,
1700
01:27:54,673 --> 01:27:58,463
we found the rest of 'em,
1701
01:27:58,547 --> 01:28:03,377
so I called my friend
who is a ceramicist
1702
01:28:03,464 --> 01:28:06,264
to make something for you guys
1703
01:28:06,339 --> 01:28:08,759
that has a channel
inside of it
1704
01:28:08,839 --> 01:28:10,799
that has some
of my mom's ashes in 'em.
1705
01:28:10,881 --> 01:28:13,301
- Wow.
- Oh.
1706
01:28:13,381 --> 01:28:14,841
- [gasps]
1707
01:28:14,923 --> 01:28:17,843
Oh, my God,
that's beautiful, Maddie.
1708
01:28:19,005 --> 01:28:19,955
Oh.
1709
01:28:21,589 --> 01:28:22,549
[chuckles]
1710
01:28:23,631 --> 01:28:25,591
- I love you, Grammy.
1711
01:28:25,673 --> 01:28:27,303
- [sobs]
1712
01:28:27,381 --> 01:28:34,381
♪ ♪
1713
01:28:37,547 --> 01:28:41,797
- So update from the Freedom
of Information Commission.
1714
01:28:41,881 --> 01:28:42,961
- Mm-hmm.
1715
01:28:43,047 --> 01:28:44,377
- Hot off the presses.
1716
01:28:44,464 --> 01:28:45,764
"Let's find a time to discuss
1717
01:28:45,839 --> 01:28:48,799
after we all have a chance
to read and absorb."
1718
01:28:48,881 --> 01:28:50,671
- Go to the last page, just--
1719
01:28:50,756 --> 01:28:52,296
- "It is found
that the respondents
1720
01:28:52,381 --> 01:28:55,011
failed to prove
that the requested records"--
1721
01:28:55,089 --> 01:28:56,419
holy shit--
1722
01:28:56,506 --> 01:28:59,256
"are exempt from disclosure."
1723
01:28:59,339 --> 01:29:02,629
Holy shit.
- We won.
1724
01:29:02,714 --> 01:29:09,764
♪ ♪
1725
01:29:14,756 --> 01:29:16,796
- Holy shit, dude.
1726
01:29:16,881 --> 01:29:20,671
If you combinethe two wells of information,
1727
01:29:20,756 --> 01:29:22,666
our investigation and theirs,
1728
01:29:22,756 --> 01:29:24,836
you may be ableto come to a conclusion
1729
01:29:24,923 --> 01:29:27,173
that gives youand your family closure.
1730
01:29:27,255 --> 01:29:30,205
- [sighs]
1731
01:29:30,297 --> 01:29:37,257
♪ ♪
1732
01:30:18,464 --> 01:30:20,764
- Where are your toes?
1733
01:30:20,839 --> 01:30:21,709
Are those your toes?
1734
01:30:21,798 --> 01:30:24,548
Where are your fingers?
1735
01:30:24,631 --> 01:30:26,961
[laughs]
1736
01:30:32,297 --> 01:30:35,207
[somber music]
1737
01:30:35,297 --> 01:30:42,297
♪ ♪
1738
01:31:18,047 --> 01:31:19,797
- Madison got a ball.
1739
01:31:19,881 --> 01:31:21,381
[laughter]
1740
01:31:24,673 --> 01:31:26,263
Nice job, Maddie.
1741
01:31:27,422 --> 01:31:30,342
[indistinct chatter]
1742
01:31:30,422 --> 01:31:37,422
♪ ♪
1743
01:32:04,756 --> 01:32:06,756
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