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Be kind.
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Be a kind person.
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That's the only message our parents
had for us when we were growing up.
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They didn't care
about the trophies, about the awards.
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They didn't care as long as I was happy.
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As long as I was a kind person.
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Please welcome from
the Brisbane Lions, Tayla Harris.
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Tayla, one of the best
key forwards in the competition.
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Tayla Harris,
what a game she's having.
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Round One!
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Looking at this,
because Harris is going to work against...
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New Australian
middleweight champion!
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I don't know what I expected
with life becoming so public,
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but I thought if you just try to be kind,
people will be kind back to you.
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The world doesn't
necessarily work that way.
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The big story... and we
should talk about this because it is
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what has been dominating headlines...
And it is of course Tayla Harris
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on the hunt for a third AFLW club.
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Obviously she's
a very good player.
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She was a very good player.
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What do you mean "was"?
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I don't think she's
a very good player any more.
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Because a lot of people
said she didn't have a great season.
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She sat down with the club
and said, "I wanna be up front.
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I had a below average season."
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The great players
handle pressure, and the pressure that's
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being placed on Tayla is massive.
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This one picture of Tayla
Harris has sparked a storm of controversy.
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Online trolls who targeted
women's star, Tayla Harris.
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Sexist, derogatory comments.
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Enough is enough
of these trolls.
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This is just ridiculous.
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Pulled down the statue.
Burn her on a stake.
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Realistically, I shouldn't really
care what they think.
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I'm human too,
so of course it gets to me sometimes.
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I know what they say.
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They tell me everyday
I'm overrated, overpaid,
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just some girl who got lucky with a photo.
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But they have no idea who I really am.
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Hnn-yah.
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Fuck. It looked yuck.
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Leg days are never, never pretty.
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Can we do it again?
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Every time I do a big one,
I end up going bang.
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Okay. Here we go.
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Hnn-yah.
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That was just as ugly.
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- Yeah, I think I could do more.
- Oranges?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah?
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I think people have expectations,
of course, of athletes,
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and I think
often it's forgotten that we're human.
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Like, for example, this season,
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I haven't played at all to my...
My standard that I put upon myself,
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but I've certainly got back to that point
where now my absolute only obligation
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is to play good footy
and to be a good boxer.
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With boxing playing its role
because of course the physical benefits of
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boxing and boxing training are clear,
and so they're always gonna help footy.
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Which is why my two sports
go so hand in hand.
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I've been working with Tayla
since various start in 2015.
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She came out of nowhere,
comes to the gym,
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I start having fights with her,
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and, like, I'm holding the mitts for her
and, like, I can feel the impact.
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I'm like, "what's this?"
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In the fight, when you hold,
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- wait for my reaction.
- Okay.
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Her first fight she won by
stopping the other girl.
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Like, literally, she broke her nose.
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I knew she was hitting hard,
but I wasn't expecting that.
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Well, she might have broke her nose,
but she'd be apologetic about it too.
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She'd be horrified that she's done that,
because that's... that's in her nature.
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When she first started, she was saying,
"Well, I don't like to hurt people.
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I don't like to hit people."
And then... but she's evolved on that.
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She understands
it's part of the sport she's in.
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Tayla smells blood in the water.
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Now she's two-time Australian champion,
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and she's rated #3 in the world.
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I suppose why does two people...
One succeeds, one doesn't?
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One's got a bigger drive.
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And she's got a bigger drive
than anybody I know.
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Lessons from boxing.
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Once something happens,
and it doesn't necessarily go your way,
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there is no time to dwell on it
'cause the next punch is coming.
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And if you don't get out of the way,
you're gonna get knocked out.
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And service.
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Come on, come on. Hello?
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Hi, Beansy.
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Go Laine, go.
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Go Elaine! Go Elaine!
This is me and my coach, Faris.
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So that was when I won my
Australian title fight... the second one...
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And when I lost 10 kilos for the fight
and I thought I was gonna die.
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It was such a strange feeling.
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He described it as driving a new car.
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Like, you just... don't know how it works,
don't know how the controls work.
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I'll never forget. I've never felt...
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or seen anyone
literally put belief in you.
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And if it was a movie,
it would be one of those movies
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where they, like, zoom in on the brain
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and then it's, like, going through
all the brain cells.
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And then it's like an explosion...
Bang... and then come back out.
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You can win this fight.
Like, you are going to win this fight.
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And so I was like...
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"Okay," and then I went out
and knocked her out.
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So in Brisbane I have a memory box...
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Or it's all, like, newspaper clippings
and whatever else...
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But I keep one here as well.
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Mostly for Mum, I guess.
"Dear Tay, a quick letter to...
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"to you and the girls at Carlton FC
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"about the controversy pic of you
kicking for goal in the recent game.
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"The boys here say great accuracy
and amazing pick.
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"You so hot, babe, and look like
you could have been anyone, anything.
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Keep going, babe. Kick it to me. LOL."
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Ohh that... he's quoting the comments
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Honestly. They send me these.
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But I think I should read this one.
This is from someone in prison.
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This is from someone...
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"and the boys
in Wallaroo Corrections."
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Hello and welcome to Channel 9 news.
Today Tayla Harris is filming.
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I had a very fun and, you know,
easygoing childhood.
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My next door neighbour and I
would often hang out.
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We'd ride bikes,
we'd film little home movies.
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For whatever reason,
I was really into infomercials,
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and I think that was my destiny.
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"Oh, what a feeling. Toyota."
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I reckon I was
Sandra Sully for a while as Tracy.
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We have breaking news.
Here is Tayla Harris.
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Hi, I'm Tayla Harris Breaking News.
Today a Pelican has...
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Tayla, what are you doing?
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Give us the video camera.
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Oh no. Oh no! Shut it down!
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The funniest thing of them all...
The footage that I found of me doing
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a Colgate ad when I was 12 years old.
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It's legitimately, "Colgate."
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"Colgate Triple Action,
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triple the power, triple the action."
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Mmm, refreshing.
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I loved growing up in Brisbane.
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We had a backyard, trampoline,
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pool, kick the footy everywhere...
Like, nothing fancy.
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Nothing rich. No mansion.
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Didn't really need phones.
Didn't have an iPhone or anything.
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Just go out and ride our bike for
20 kilometres, or something ridiculous,
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and then get home
before the street lights come on.
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When Tayla was five,
she started to do AFL with Jack.
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It was because I used to
take Jack to his training,
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and I'd have to sit
in the car with Tayla.
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But she didn't like sitting in the car.
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Then one day did they
come up short one game,
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so she's running around going,
"Put me on, put me on."
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So, they stuck her in a jersey at five,
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threw her on the field, and she's
never really come off since then.
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Dad and Mum remind me it was
a bit challenging for them as parents,
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because other parents
would comment to their young boy,
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"Don't touch her. You're not allowed
to tackle or hit girls or smash her.
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She shouldn't be here."
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Some took it the wrong way.
Some parents didn't like it.
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You'd hear 'em say, "This is
not fair to have a girl,"
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and "The boys don't know
what to do with her,"
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and that type of stuff.
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And you know, the opposition
team eventually sort of figured out
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that she was there to play,
and if they didn't do their job
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and keep her under control, she was just
going to run away with it, which she did.
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There's just a couple of
Tayla's trophies that she's collected.
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There's cupboards of them.
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And then that's all her medals
on that side.
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Oh, here we go.
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She was the first ever girl to be allowed
in the AFL in the whole of Queensland.
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So, she was first, and she was 12.
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Yes!
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Come on, let's go.
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I'm gonna play like a Collingwood player.
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Being in a boys competition
with Tayla and being at the level
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that she was. Because she was...
She was better than a lot of the boys.
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I think... I think that football
was the one that was on the table
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at the best and fairest when she won
the Division One boys' best and fairest.
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Pretty sure that's the one.
Because she started a football so young,
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I think football was what she
wanted to do when she grew up.
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There was definitely
support for women's game
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from the women themselves,
who had been pushing for this for decades.
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At the elite men's level,
half our spectators were women,
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um, but they are
under-represented in area.
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Every area,
including, clearly, participation.
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So AFLW is about redressing that.
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All right,
good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
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Thank you for being here today
for what is truly a defining moment
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in the history of Australian football.
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The attitude of those that built it was
our train is now leaving the station.
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It's express. If you're on the train,
jump on now.
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The AFL today launched
a national eight-team Women's League.
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Today we are joined by
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some of the best players
our game has to offer.
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So Tayla, we had some very
exciting news on Friday that you were
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the first marquee player to
be signed to the women's inaugural team.
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How excited are you?
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I'm very excited
for everything that's happening.
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It was one of those moments
where we were all just like,
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"Oh God, this is happening.
Like, it's... it's real.
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It's... AFL Women's is a thing,
and it wasn't just the day before."
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The Lions actually signed her
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before even the contract
was supposed to be announced.
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They wanted it that bad that they
basically came out and said, "Sign this."
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So, we just knew from that moment that
that was going to
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change everything, and it really did.
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I had been at the Lions
for their first season from 2017
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until the following year,
so I was there for six months.
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Tayla Harris, putting the
icing on the cake for Brisbane Lions...
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And she does! Brisbane win
here at Fremantle AFL.
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Well, we won all our games except
for the one that we should have won,
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which was we lost by six points
in the Grand Final.
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Fifteen seconds.
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Brisbane need to get numbers
to the contest. Can Harris get there?
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Crows win!
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The Adelaide Crows
are the first AFLW premiers.
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It was amazing
to be part of the first Grand Final,
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but yeah, wasn't there for very long.
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During the game, it's just... I'm playing
for the Lions, so that's who I'm gonna be.
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I'm gonna give my all
for the Lions, so it's gonna be good.
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Tayla originally signed with
the Brisbane Lions as a marquee player,
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and the marquee player
is normally the best player in the team.
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Fairly historic day with
the announcement of the Brisbane Lions
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first ever two marquee players for
the National Women's League.
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Oh, it was a strange process to be
seen as this marquee player or whatever,
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'cause I was just some random kid.
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Like, it was... it was weird.
I was 17. Like, I had no,
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you know, manager.
There was no fine print read.
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So, Tayla was used as a poster girl,
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pretty much, for the Brisbane Lions.
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High ball. Harris ca...
Oh, wow! Then delivers.
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In my first season with Brisbane,
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I was heavily scrutinised
because people roasted me
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for never smiling
and never singing the song.
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I was, like, "What do you mean?
Like, I'm always smiling.
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I'm with my best mates.
Like, I'm playing footy."
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Unfortunately, I also actually
then chose to move to Victoria
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the year after,
so I probably solidified people thoughts.
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And now every step I took
or everything I did was judged.
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It was a bit of a tough time,
because she was sort of struggling
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with where she wanted to be
at that stage.
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Terrific goal.
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She had a lot of good friends
and good people in the Lions
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that she, you know, looked up to.
She knew that the next step in her career
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had to be down south.
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Here's Harris
one-on-one with Gamble.
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And Tayla Harris stands up when needed
for the Lions and takes a strong grab.
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There was a lot of commentary
around her wanting to come to Melbourne
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to be a hot shot player that wanted
to be famous and everything like that,
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and that was absolutely not the case.
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It was more the environment
of probably having a lot
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of pressure on her at the time.
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Brisbane did not want me to leave.
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That didn't help.
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She was very close with
Craig Starcevich, her coach.
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Yeah, Craig Starcevich was my coach
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through under-eighteen's Queensland team,
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and then he was
the coach of the Brisbane Lions.
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So, yeah he he was cool.
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He was like a father figure, I guess.
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And unfortunately, when it came to
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sitting down with Craig
and telling Craig about her decision,
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it was really tough.
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She was really emotional about it because
she had been fully invested in that club.
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It was pretty difficult. It was one
of the most challenging things,
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because I just didn't want
to disappoint him.
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And he took it quite personally.
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Just inside the Brisbane camp,
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Coach Starcevich wouldn't be
too happy about that.
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But no one's going to look out
for your best interest more than you.
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And in reality, as soon as
you're retired or injured, it's all over.
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A footy club has no, you know, no real...
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loyalty to you,
so if there's moments in your career
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that you have to make a decision
even though it's hard or even though
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it's not gonna please many people,
I just believe you have to do it.
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You know, when she jumped ship
to go to Carlton,
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then, you know, that brought out
the worst in a lot of people, too.
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I didn't think it would be
such a shit storm, but it was.
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I didn't think people would care,
but they did.
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Trolled on social media,
a lot of direct messages at the time.
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You know, just things like,
"Oh, you're a traitor."
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And yeah, oh, "She's shit anyway,"
and whatever. It's like, whoa!
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I said it was a compliment that
people cared so much that I was moving on
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to a different club, and they decided
to let me know how shit I was anyway.
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Before every training, I write
in my little book of fat dogs.
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As you can see,
this dog has eaten too many meals.
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Um, but I write training focuses.
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I do a couple of mental,
a couple physical.
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And then after training,
I write out of five how I think I went,
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and then I write a little comment.
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Often, I think before training.
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I'll be like, "Oh, it'd be nice
to have a good session today."
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When I write stuff down, obviously,
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it forces you to actually think
about it more than half a second.
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To be honest,
I probably didn't do it cause
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people would think,
oh, it's a bit overboard.
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You know, a bit overkill.
Like school when people would,
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"It's too cool to do that sort of stuff."
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Incidentally, I maybe
did think that, but...
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Not any more.
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It was during the trade period.
We got a call from Alex, Tayla's manager,
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and just said, look, things are stalling
a little bit with the discussions with...
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With Carlton, and would we
be interested in in catching up
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to potentially explore some
opportunities if things don't progress?
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Yeah, it wasn't something we were
planning for or we were prepared for,
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but it was certainly something...
An opportunity we didn't want to miss.
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We first met 2012.
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I played in her team, you know,
in a representative team,
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and she would have been like 14.
So, I've known her over the years.
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Awesome having her as a part of our team.
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I was so excited when the opportunity to
trade her in came up over the off-season,
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because I see her as someone who has
achieved a bit and has a lot of talent
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but I don't think she's playing
at her full potential yet.
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So that challenge of, yeah,
get her in, and, as a leader, try and get
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the most out of her.
That really excited me.
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She always does things with a big heart.
She just wants to play. She always has.
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Well, she doesn't like the limelight as
much as she keeps finding herself in it.
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She doesn't like having the accolades,
so she's always trying to transfer that.
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But you know, when there's
times where she'll have to handball,
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we want her to handball.
But if she's within range,
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I want her to go back and have a shot.
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The hopes
for this season is, uh,
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that we're there on that last day
and be good enough on the day to...
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To win our first premiership.
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Hello, Melbourne!
Is everybody having a good time tonight?
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Tonight there will be five-dollar basics
at the bar until 9:00 PM.
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We just got a message from...
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Mick Stinear, the Melbourne coach.
Mick said, "How bloody good
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"watching the boys in the Grand Final.
Do me one favour tonight
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"and picture yourself in the red and blue
and on the biggest stage in our game.
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"We know what it takes.
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"And in an uncertain world,
we can be certain about one thing.
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"We will earn the right to
compete in next year's Grand Final,
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"and we will execute on the biggest stage,
and you'll forever be remembered
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as the first ever Melbourne team to win an
AFLW premiership. Go D's!"
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Go Tigs!
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Good bounce.
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So, once I got confirmed that I was
gonna go play at Melbourne Footy Club,
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it went from this uneasy,
sort of unsure feeling...
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Obviously, not knowing where I was going,
what I was going to do...
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To just... I was so excited.
Like, I was so excited to...
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to be back at Mel.
And I can say "back in Melbourne,"
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'cause that's where I played
my exhibition games for this.
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That was my very first interaction
at an AFL Footy club.
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Tayla hates the camera.
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This what pressure feels like
on the footy field, is it?
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Trying to get rid of it?
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Benny Brown...
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Benny Brown!
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Yay! Whoa.
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Long ball. Picking up
the back. Petraca! Petraca!
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So I ended up finding
my home at Melbourne
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on the basis that I can come on a one-year
contract with absolute minimum payment.
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No additional staff, no media shit.
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Just go and play and train
and prove myself and earn respect
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just from my teammates who
don't know me and all they've read is that
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I want all this money and I want,
you know, I'm a diva of some sort.
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Go D's! Go D's! Go D's!
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I think I found
the love for football again.
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Like, it feels great to be...
I guess I have a clean slate.
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Ah. Look. Look.
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Every heart is beating
true and blue for the red and blue.
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After 57 long years,
The Demons are premiers in 2021.
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Extraordinary stuff.
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You sing that song.
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Knock me out, please.
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Oof!
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The first time I met Tay was...
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at a cafe. Me and Grace Egan
were actually having a coffee
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with one of the coaches from Richmond,
and Tay walked past,
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and Grace, like, nudged me and she's like,
"Just be nice. Like, she's...
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She gets a bit awkward sometimes.
Just be nice to her."
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It was in the midst of COVID.
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And then a few weeks later we led into
our round one. Richmond's first year.
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So, Richmond versus Carlton at IKON.
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I love the game, so if I'm gonna put
someone off, I'm gonna put someone off,
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whether that's
talking to them, bumping them.
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I was talking a bit of smack
to some of her players,
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and she didn't like it at all.
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So there's Tay...
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She's streaming along the side of the
Oval, and I ended up picking up the ball.
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And I didn't know who it was
at the time, and I just copped
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the biggest clothesline of all time.
And I get up. I was all tough.
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I was like "Who's... who was that?"
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One of the girls was like, "Tay Harris,"
and I was like, "Oh. Cool."
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I was like, "I'm not..."
and just walked off.
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Go again.
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Kodes and I are a little team.
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And we love when our friends say,
"Oh, we love you guys together,"
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and like, "You guys
bring out the best of each other.
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And we're... both of our
immediate response is "We know."
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When you're training with someone
that you look up to, who motivates you,
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who you, I guess certainly in terms
of running, aspire to be like,
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you do it because you want
to make them proud,
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because no one else is going to see it.
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Mick, our Melbourne coach, is
not going to see the session I did
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six months ago at the local footy field.
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The Kodes is the only one.
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It was pissing with rain,
and our feet feel like ten kilos.
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But we still got through and we still
worked hard and pushed each other through.
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Here comes our conehead. Watch her cone.
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She's a little conehead.
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My sweetie.
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Her feet.
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Oh. I can't. Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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She had no idea
what she was going in for.
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2021 off-season has been
probably my most productive,
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which sounds weird because it was COVID.
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Me and Tay moved into a new house,
got a new puppy.
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We really want to put
our heads down and bum up and work,
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and one of the major things that
we want to get better at was our fitness.
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Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Nice.
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And it's a new team. She wanted to...
She wanted to impress people.
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She's a tall blonde girl with
tattoos who boxes, who plays footy,
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who's known to be quite tough
and resilient, but like, she gets to it.
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So what, did you think you wanted
to put the ears next to "kind"?
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Or do you want to keep
that spacing or what do you think?
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Maybe. What do you think?
Will that make it too cramped?
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"To be kind is powerful."
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This is going to tickle this one.
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Yeah, I think this kind of is more...
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Bang. Bang! 'Cause then when I punch
someone in the face,
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it's like, bang, kindness.
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Yeah, that's like that.
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Well, this one is Elizabeth.
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That I got recently. And I actually got it
because there's a bit of controversy,
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as per usual, about me, and like,
changing clubs and all that sort of stuff.
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And one of my
really good ment... close mentors,
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he said, "I need you to read an article
about how the Queen goes about things.
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You never hear her complaining."
So, it's not so much about her.
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It's more about
the mantra that she adopts,
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which is never complain, never explain.
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Context is the devil
according to the media.
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Like, I've had things end up in the
newspaper printed and I'm reading it
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right in front of me on a piece of paper,
but it couldn't be further from the truth.
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And it's laughable because, you know,
you... what are you gonna do?
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You laugh or cry.
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You know, it's just unfortunate
that with the AFLW coming
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into prominence, that these players
have to manage a whole new
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realm of complexity when
it comes to their online profile.
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Many of these young women
are just out of school,
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but they are being
thrust out there in the limelight.
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They're expected to have
an online profile, and inevitably
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they're going to
come up with some form of abuse.
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Okay, let's go.
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In my career I've... Look, I've had
my fair share of sexism
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and comments and remarks,
and even just stereotypes
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of what is a female sports body
or female sports person.
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Being in a big club, people just,
like, wanting your blood pretty much.
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It's brutal.
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When I joined the Commission,
I received hate mail and had a whole lot
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of guys from the footy world
and the sports world
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throwing everything they could
at me to say how outrageous it was
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that a woman dared to step into
the man's world of managing footy.
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And that's been certainly
challenging in my time.
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It's not physically
in any way challenging.
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It's emotionally and mentally challenging.
I've been playing footy for.
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I've been playing footy for,
you know, 16-17 odd years,
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and week-in week-out
trying to defend yourself
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and showcase or prove yourself
and showcase that you are worthy enough.
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It's... can be really tiring.
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Yeah, when I don't play well,
obviously, it's... you know about it
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and I'll get messages.
461
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,240
You know, how shit I am,
and I'll get told I'm, you know,
462
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,240
a waste of space. But you know,
I try to take it in my stride.
463
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,960
Harris, those long extended arms.
464
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,960
And she takes the mark in front of Ernst,
465
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,200
and she'll go back and have a set chop
because she's a thumping kick.
466
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,080
We were down at the game.
467
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,960
We were watching the game,
and she kicks the way she normally kicks.
468
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,200
So, it was no big deal seeing the kick,
because that's how Tayla kicks.
469
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,680
Tayla Harris with that
very familiar approach
470
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,720
and that very familiar finish.
471
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Tayla's always been
renowned for her kicking style,
472
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,440
even when she was a young girl
up in Queensland playing.
473
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,320
So, any time Tayla has a shot on goal,
I always shoot it.
474
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,280
Just so happened that particular kick
she absolutely launched.
475
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,440
It was a spectacular kick.
It was like a 55 meter drop punt.
476
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,240
I saw the photo, and the first
thing I thought was wow.
477
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,120
You know?
478
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,256
Actually my groin hurt, my knees hurt,
everything hurt,
479
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000
in seeing her in the pose
that she was in mid-flight.
480
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,256
Yeah, I think when I first saw
the photo, I was like, "Oh my God,
481
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,320
she's incredible. Like, this is
my teammate. This is my friend."
482
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,456
You looked at it and think...
You know, you see the height,
483
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,360
she's off the ground...
The athleticism in the whole photo.
484
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,000
I wish I could straighten my leg like that
when I kicked, but I could never do that.
485
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,496
I just thought that's
just the iconic Tayla moment,
486
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,240
and that's Tayla Harris
in a nutshell in a photo, basically.
487
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,960
You know, to see how incredible it was...
488
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,480
it just... it blew my mind that
people would take it to a place
489
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,440
that they took it.
490
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,040
And in Australia right now,
this one picture of Tayla Harris has
491
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,240
sparked a storm of controversy.
492
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,520
So, yeah, some of the things
were pretty foul.
493
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Calling her everything under the sun
that you can think of and... just awful.
494
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,480
Like really, really awful.
495
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,440
From, like, graphic,
disgusting, like, things,
496
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,280
people alluding to what they'd do to me,
497
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,320
or this, like, sexually
and all this gross shit.
498
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,000
And also, she had private messages
sent to her that were ten times worse.
499
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:58,640
One I remember was someone photoshopped
as if I wasn't wearing the shorts, like...
500
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880
and that makes me want to throw up.
501
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,280
A lot people don't realise
how far that went.
502
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,080
A lot of people will just look at it
and go, "Oh, yeah, get over it."
503
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,816
You know, "Toughen up.
It's only, you know...
504
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,720
It's just a few people
saying silly things." But it wasn't.
505
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,560
It went beyond that.
It went to threatening.
506
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,600
You can't get your head around
how awful and mean-spirited people can be.
507
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,040
I had a call from the Prime Minister,
and they said, "Have you seen what,
508
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,920
"you know, what these people
are saying about Tayla Harris?
509
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,320
And what are you doing about it?"
510
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,080
The AFLW star, Tayla Harris,
has found herself at the centre
511
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,080
of an online storm this morning.
512
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,080
It's all because of
an inspiring photo of her in full flight
513
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,680
during Carlton's win over the Bulldogs.
514
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Now, when it was published,
the image was bombarded with hurtful,
515
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,960
sexist, derogatory comments.
516
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680
She hides her emotions pretty well.
517
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,480
I know that that got to her.
518
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,480
When you see someone like Tayla
519
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,080
that's so up and about and all
the time and she's always smiling.
520
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,840
And to sort of see her get
shut down the way she got shut down
521
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,160
was pretty disheartening.
522
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,360
I think it it showed
how toxic people can be.
523
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,080
And it's probably made her
a lot more guarded.
524
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,880
To know that somebody was
out there saying those sorts of things
525
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,080
or threatening those sorts of things,
526
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,960
if we had to turn up the next day
at the club, um,
527
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,920
we had a security guard
meet us at the gate to walk us in.
528
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,720
Tayla had to have
a security guard meet her at her car.
529
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,760
I connected the dots that
perhaps these people might turn up
530
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,040
at the footy at that weekend.
531
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,400
Or they might already be in the crowd.
What if they were?
532
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,960
What if they tried to lean over
the fence and take things next step?
533
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,856
Anyone... wouldn't matter
if you're a young girl
534
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
or a grown man...
You know, someone starts threatening you,
535
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,840
you're gonna start looking
over your shoulder and think,
536
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,120
alright, is someone here
meaning to do me harm?
537
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,616
She's the first to do
a lot of things.
538
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,800
She's the first female boxer
to, like, two titles.
539
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,400
She's young, and to have all
this attention on her can be hard.
540
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Some people will support you...
541
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,360
but some people are going to, like,
try to take you down for no reason.
542
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Because where she's going, she's doing
things that, like, nobody's done before.
543
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,040
That some people's gonna be happy.
Some people are gonna be jealous.
544
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,920
I think you're naturally,
like, a nice person,
545
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,520
you know, but once your opponent
hits you, your face change.
546
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,536
I like this face because
you, like, so competitive. You like...
547
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Get like, "Okay, it's on.
Now we got a fight." You know?
548
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,096
This is my biggest fear
of the whole scenario...
549
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,400
A young girl thinking and dreaming of
being an AFLW player sees the sort of shit
550
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720
that I have to deal with and thinks,
oh, maybe I don't wanna do that.
551
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Because of this unnecessary bullshit.
That's what gets me.
552
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,360
Well, fans and the AFL have hit back
at online trolls who targeted
553
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,560
women's star, Tayla Harris, over this
brilliant image of her in full flight.
554
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,160
The AFL is promising to
hunt down and punish trolls.
555
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,240
The now famous image is being used
to take a stand against online bullies
556
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,760
and stamp out online trolls.
557
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,976
Through the entire night,
558
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
I had breakfast radio
and breakfast TV calling me non-stop.
559
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,240
I think I fielded over...
560
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,760
I tried to count the other day...
About 287 media requests
561
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
in the short space of under 24 hours.
562
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,560
BBC, New York Times.
563
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,960
It just went absolutely
gangbusters across the globe.
564
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Tayla herself has posted the picture
on her own Instagram page saying,
565
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,720
"My hamstring is okay, but derogatory
and sexist comments aren't."
566
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,520
We decided a good idea
would be to go on Daniel Harford,
567
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,920
our coach's, radio show in that morning.
568
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680
It would be a safe place
for her to have that conversation.
569
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Weren't trying to get a gotcha moment,
not trying to grab headlines out of it,
570
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,880
but just let her talk.
571
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,800
The comments
that I saw were sexual abuse,
572
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,560
if that's... if you can call it that
because it was repulsive...
573
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,656
- Yep.
- And it made me uncomfortable.
574
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,160
So, as soon as I'm uncomfortable
with something like that,
575
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,120
that's what I would consider
sexual abuse on social media.
576
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,320
She was 22, and I can't think of too many
577
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,520
22-year-olds that would have been
able to compartmentalise all that noise...
578
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,560
External noise... and be able
to deliver a message that she
579
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,136
thought was a powerful as anything
needed to be said at the time
580
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,136
and then go ahead and play
a game of footy on the weekend.
581
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,016
There's not too many people
capable of doing that.
582
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,760
And that's where she just
got in front of the camera and said,
583
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,600
"Right-o. Now that's enough.
584
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,416
You know, it's time
that we put an end to this."
585
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Tayla stood up
and spoke of how she felt.
586
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,920
It wasn't the AFL telling her how to feel.
It was Tayla telling us how she felt.
587
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,720
If I'm not gonna say anything,
then what about the people who
588
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,560
don't have the platform to do it?
589
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,920
Tayla had to stand up for herself and
people had to have a think about things
590
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,560
and realise how wrong some people could be
and how horrendous some people can think.
591
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Victoria police,
whatever it is, need to at least
592
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,080
contact these people,
or some sort of warning,
593
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,200
Facebook delete them.
Something needs to happen.
594
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,120
She stood up for herself
and she shut it all down.
595
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,840
And, um, I think, yeah,
that itself was pretty inspiring.
596
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Enough is enough of this trolling.
597
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,000
This is just ridiculous.
People carrying on...
598
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,360
It's got to stop.
599
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,880
Tayla Harris has called
those responsible, "animals."
600
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,176
"This is me at work.
601
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Think about this before
your derogatory comments, animals."
602
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,320
Our Tay is standing up, yes,
but we need Twitter to stand up.
603
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,560
Block these people.
Delete them off.
604
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,640
No, I think the timing
of this particular scenario
605
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,160
was what it was meant to be.
606
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,040
I was in a position mentally
where I was in a really strong place.
607
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,440
If this happened
to someone who wasn't, perhaps,
608
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,920
in such a strong mental space,
that would be pretty scary.
609
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,600
But as much as I was in the photo
and I was the one who said
610
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,680
some stuff in front of
the cameras and things,
611
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,920
in reality, it was a massive army and band
of people that created that movement.
612
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,320
Tayla's willingness to
stand up against the online abuse
613
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,440
was a watershed moment. And together with
other watershed moments, they serve to
614
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,800
change community sentiment about violence
against women and about online abuse.
615
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:18,320
And here we are, 18 months or so later,
and there are big changes happening
616
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,000
in our community because young women
like Tayla are speaking up.
617
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,000
That's what's happening now
with Grace Tyme and Shanelle Kontos.
618
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,240
And what's happening in Parliament House
619
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,840
is it actually takes courage and bravery,
usually from young women
620
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,040
that actually serve
to change community sentiment.
621
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,520
Thousands of people came
and stood outside Parliament House today,
622
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,440
wanting to be heard.
623
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,240
There is a confronting
624
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,880
sense of banality about
sexual violence in our community.
625
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,760
We know that abusive hate speech
is escalating.
626
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,280
Within a week,
more than 5,000 young people
627
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,120
have come forward with testimonies
628
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,880
of sexual assault by students at schools.
629
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:05,160
I find it incredibly disappointing that
you need to have multiple women's voices
630
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,440
to be heard
before they're taken seriously.
631
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,040
The system is broken.
The glass ceiling is still in place.
632
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,640
It's about an ongoing systemic
oppression that we're trying to end.
633
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,280
That's okay. Do a right.
634
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,280
Yeah.
635
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,280
- Under now.
- Nothing.
636
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,600
One more?
637
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Under now, yeah. And rest.
638
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Two more.
639
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,560
- Nice! Good job.
- Fuck me.
640
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Good job.
641
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,840
Well, I got a text from a young girl's dad
asking if I wouldn't mind
642
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,200
chatting to her
about her school assignment, but...
643
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,600
it's about AFLW, so I said, "of course."
644
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,400
- Say hi to Asha.
- Hi.
645
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Hi. "Ash-uh," is it?
646
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,840
"Ah-sha."
647
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,440
Asha, nice to meet you.
How are you doing?
648
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,720
Um, good, thank you.
Thank you for, um, helping me out.
649
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,800
- I really appreciate this.
- My pleasure.
650
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,880
Is there anything that you take
from the rude comments and harassment?
651
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,600
Yeah, well, I think something I've learned
since I've been exposed to it all is that
652
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,160
these people that are commenting,
653
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,360
it's actually them projecting
their issues as opposed to
654
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,480
them highlighting any issue
that the female athletes might have.
655
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,720
We're just trying our best.
We're just trying to play and, you know,
656
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,296
and entertain people like we're
supposed to do on the footy field.
657
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,960
And it's not...
658
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,736
You know, it's not appropriate and not
necessary for people to get online
659
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,400
and say such horrible things.
660
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,160
So, sometimes you get tempted
to read it and believe it,
661
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,240
but the reality is it's actually
not necessarily what it first seems.
662
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,280
That definitely, um...
663
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,800
Not even just for this project,
but just in general...
664
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Was very inspiring, and it definitely
665
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,040
gave me insight on the whole issue.
666
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Oh, thank you. Any time. And if you have
any other questions or anything else...
667
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,280
so if, you know, wanna catch up
now that we can get out of lockdown soon,
668
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,960
we can go for a kick or something.
669
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,120
Um, that'd be fun.
670
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,656
Thank you
for taking the time out.
671
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120
No, my pleasure.
Have a great afternoon, talk soon, bye.
672
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,800
- Done.
- Good job. That was really good.
673
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,320
- She was smarter than me.
- Yeah.
674
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,920
Contested forward 50
for the Blues.
675
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Harris in the middle of that pack.
676
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,241
So, I played at
Carlton footy club for four years.
677
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,880
For three years, it was great.
I loved everything out of the programme.
678
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,880
I have and have made
some of my best friends
679
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,600
being at the footy club.
680
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,200
So in overall experience,
it was great.
681
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,680
In my final year at Carlton, things,
682
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,040
for various different reasons,
kind of fell apart in a sense.
683
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,480
Of course, COVID
impacted everybody in different ways,
684
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,280
um, and impacted the way that
their general persona was.
685
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,040
So, you could feel that
certain people, including myself,
686
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,480
at the club weren't themselves.
687
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Season 2021 was
a really unique one for Tayla.
688
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,920
I think at the end of the season
689
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,920
we we sat down,
and she knew then it wasn't her...
690
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,720
Her best year.
She wasn't physically there.
691
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,960
But more importantly,
she wasn't really mentally there.
692
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,840
It was really tough for Tayla
to realise she wasn't at her best,
693
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,760
because we knew what her best was.
694
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,816
Twelve months ago she was
a three-time all-Australian,
695
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,400
three-time leading goal kicker.
696
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,240
Throughout conversations with the club,
697
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,896
that was a really prominent discussion...
698
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,480
Understanding the change in her form.
Um, and they were really
699
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,960
honest conversations with the club.
700
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,920
I felt really confident
that we would get a deal done,
701
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,600
probably up until
my last phone call with the club.
702
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,016
I've got goosebumps talking
about it, because I just remember
703
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:07,960
having the conversation with her.
704
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,440
We're in Sydney at an event,
and it was a great day.
705
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,880
She calls me and says,
"Can you meet me in the hotel room?"
706
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,120
"Yeah, I'm coming." You know, thinking
what could it possibly be. No big deal.
707
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Went up to the hotel room,
asked everyone to leave
708
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,240
and we'd meet them at lunch later and...
709
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,456
She's like, "You might wanna sit down."
710
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,040
And I was like, oh, what's happened?
711
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,760
Like, thinking something
like, horrific has happened.
712
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,760
Sit down, she's like, "Carlton are not
gonna offer you another contract.
713
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,880
They don't want you any more."
714
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
And she just broke down in tears.
715
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,240
And for me to see someone
as strong as Tay...
716
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,960
feel that in that moment...
That disappointment,
717
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,800
that heartbreak, that upset,
that she was losing 29 of her best mates,
718
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,480
um, that was something
totally out of her control...
719
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,600
It was just like her world
was falling apart.
720
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,840
And it was at that point that we knew
that it was going to be public,
721
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,920
and that was what was
really scary about it.
722
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Well, she's one of the most
pivotal figures in the AFLW.
723
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,640
There was an intriguing article
in the Herald Sun today
724
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:16,880
which stated that Harris is asking for
about $150,000 to play in the 2022 season.
725
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,120
We wonder if there is more to the story.
726
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,080
Tayla Harris, on the hunt
for a third AFLW club.
727
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Contract talks in the last week or so have
now broken down with the Blues.
728
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:30,616
Daniel Harford, you need
to come in on this,
729
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440
because there is a suggestion
that Tayla Harris,
730
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,840
one of the superstars of the AFLW,
will no longer be a Carlton player.
731
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,040
The report said that Tayla
and Carlton have not been able
732
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,320
to come to terms and that she is now
733
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,896
being told to go and look
for another club.
734
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Well, she's taking that
option to look for another club.
735
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,760
Yes, it's been a bit
of a difficult negotiation,
736
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,480
clearly, for this one...
For us and for Tay,
737
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,760
'cause you gotta put it all together
and make sure you've got your reward
738
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,696
for all your players who are deserving
of those things through the journey.
739
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,440
And Tayla's had, um,
740
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,920
certainly some reward for her efforts
through the campaign so far.
741
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,360
But as played out in the...
742
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Well, it was the story last week,
I think it was?
743
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,320
It's just the gap was too big.
744
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,056
We haven't been able to find
common ground.
745
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,176
It was pretty laughable,
746
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440
and I remember reading the article
and just going,
747
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,040
"How has this gotten so far out
of context? But where has this come from?"
748
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,160
And we were probably
really disappointed at the time.
749
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:29,440
The truth is quite
different to what gets publicised.
750
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,960
And the media speculation
around her pay packet was
751
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,480
so wildly incorrect,
I couldn't believe it.
752
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,520
The conversations
we had with their management,
753
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,880
the numbers were a long way away
from what was being mentioned.
754
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,760
Disappointing is probably the best word,
755
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,560
because I... like, I...
In every sense of the word...
756
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,040
I was committed to staying
at Carlton and playing at Carlton
757
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,680
and doing everything I can for Carlton.
758
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,880
I have a tattoo.
I've got a Carlton tattoo.
759
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,160
Like, if that doesn't say much,
then I don't know what does.
760
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,880
Starting over at the red
and blue has been a welcome change
761
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,600
after her departure from Carlton
was sullied by pay negotiations
762
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,200
and talk that Harris wanted too much.
763
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,120
My view is that
Tayla was an excellent player.
764
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
But she's not that player that she was,
765
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,160
but still wants
to get paid the way she was.
766
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,040
Well, you need to perform.
767
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,600
So, maybe it's
a fresh start is what she needs,
768
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,440
and she then bounces back
to be the player she was.
769
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,240
Money is not an... not a thing for me.
So, for that to be part of the narrative
770
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,280
was more frustrating
than anything else because it
771
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,640
was attacking my character,
which was just far from the truth.
772
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,920
And for that to be...
773
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,280
used as clickbait,
it was much more frustrating
774
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,600
than anything else I've been through.
But I felt like after a discussion with...
775
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,840
I guess my team, my management team...
776
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,800
We decided that it was a much bigger
and more important conversation to be had.
777
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,600
And that was, of course,
that women deserve to be paid more.
778
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:08,560
We still live in this world where
men sport attracts more eyes on the telly.
779
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,560
It attracts more dollars
into the kitty to make it sustainable
780
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,056
and to pay the big bucks for players.
781
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,480
'Cause at the moment, the
game is only held back
782
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,840
by the fact
that these are amateur athletes
783
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,120
who are expected to play
as elite athletes.
784
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Isn't Tay usually in front of the camera?
785
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,280
Hi, Daisy...
786
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,880
this is my new career... wedding celebrant,
boxer, footy player, camera woman.
787
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Wow, you're incredible.
788
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,440
I sometimes forget this is
only the 6th season of the AFLW.
789
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,016
So, that's... I think the most games
that a player could have played
790
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,360
is still under 40,
and the competition's grown quite fast.
791
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,520
But I think the female players want more.
792
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,320
They want to be full time athletes,
and I think that...
793
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,600
it's hard to see that coming,
you know, next year.
794
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,760
These girls want everything that
the boys want when they play.
795
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,000
There's a stigma around
us women having to be grateful
796
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,600
for the opportunity that we get.
797
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,080
We're here to take this serious.
We wanna be professional.
798
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
We wanna get paid for it.
Like, we're not here to just
799
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,896
play because we love the sport.
Yeah we did that.
800
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,720
If these women
were training at the same rate
801
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,600
and paid in a kind of equivalence
802
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,440
to the professional men, this would be
the best footy in the country.
803
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,000
These are women who are
doing it part-time on shit money,
804
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,440
and they've got full time jobs and they
effectively self-support themselves.
805
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,216
We're kind of pushing
on our ceiling at the moment.
806
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,320
And, like, there's players who are
just exceptional, and you kind of think,
807
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,680
jeez, imagine if she
was really, like, training full time.
808
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Well, she could be,
which is a pretty amazing thought.
809
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,000
And it just kind of
takes that leap of faith, I suppose.
810
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,376
It's been a fairly interesting
two years for the world.
811
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,136
Um, just tell me how good it's been
to have free back
812
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,960
and how you set
them into life as a day.
813
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
We've had a pretty massive few years,
814
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,536
myself and everyone else
in the whole world,
815
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,920
which is a pretty crazy thought.
816
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,560
I've tried to, you know, move faster
as much as I can on a personal level.
817
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,360
And I just cannot wait for round one,
because the last thing people remember
818
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,600
remember is the last thing you did.
So, I'm looking forward to
819
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,480
the day I can step on the field,
and you know, give my best.
820
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,920
The thing I'm most excited about,
though, is Christmas.
821
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,880
If the border's open,
going to see Mum and Dad,
822
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,480
and I haven't seen them
in obviously a fair while.
823
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,600
But yeah, family is massive for me,
so I can't wait to get up there.
824
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,800
In my life, pretty much everything's
going great.
825
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,720
The one thing that I would love to
tick off before the end of the year
826
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,000
is to see my parents and my family.
827
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,360
Thank you.
828
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,776
I moved from Brisbane to
Melbourne on the precedent
829
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,680
that I could always go back.
Only a couple years later,
830
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,160
that ability to go back to be taken away...
831
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,320
I could never have imagined
that was going to happen.
832
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,280
Hi, hello.
833
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,760
Hi. It's been too long.
834
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,560
Hi,
835
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,280
How are you, sweetie pea?
836
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Good. How are you? Why are you crying?
837
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Disappointing.
838
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,760
We've missed you so much.
839
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,640
Miss you too.
840
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,680
I think the Tayla that I
saw in 2020 was just a completely
841
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,360
different version of someone
that had everything taken from her.
842
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,640
There's my Kodi.
843
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,080
She understands that everyone was in
a similar boat, but for her it was family,
844
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,480
it was her work, it was her passion,
it was her drive, it was everything.
845
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,160
If you lay it out, like, when you
take away everything from someone,
846
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:38,720
everything that someone loves,
family or even just ability to see family,
847
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,600
sport, football, work.
848
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,840
So, like I've had challenges
that I've had to kind of overcome,
849
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,136
and they've kind of played out
and I've been able to rely on people,
850
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,760
get advice, work it out as I go.
851
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,280
It wasn't so dramatic,
and it didn't take everything away.
852
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,480
COVID did.
And then not only that.
853
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Like, seeing people around me
suffer much more.
854
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,480
At the time, it was really hard to...
855
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:05,280
I guess buy into complaining
or buy into, like, feeling it,
856
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,040
because the person
potentially next to you
857
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,760
doesn't even have family
or something along those lines.
858
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,680
And then so, I kind of, like, pigeon-holed
myself thinking, "It's not so bad.
859
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,240
At least I still have my family,
just a FaceTime call away."
860
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,280
I should never have played. Like, I should
never have been able to take the field,
861
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,040
because I was fucked. But I did,
and so I could be happy with that.
862
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,016
But then I guess getting back
to your question about
863
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,400
the Carlton fall out,
I guess we can call it.
864
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,840
Um, yeah, I think I was definitely
hurt by the way that it unfolded.
865
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,920
But I also very much understand
that football is absolutely a business,
866
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,960
and if you don't think it is
for even a second, you're silly.
867
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,920
Um, and then as soon
as things go to shit a bit, you're out.
868
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,960
And that's literally what happened.
869
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,400
And so, yeah, obviously
I didn't play very well.
870
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,560
And then, um ...cause for...
871
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,560
I think, 'cause... So, they...
Oh, fuck's sake.
872
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,160
I love you.
873
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,240
Love you.
874
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,880
She was very fragile
coming out of COVID.
875
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,320
She likes to put off this
'I'm really tough.
876
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,280
I don't need anybody' persona,
877
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,040
and that's what is out there
in the media.
878
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,440
'Look at me, I'm... I can handle anything.'
879
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,160
I think deep down, she is sooky
for her family.
880
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,680
After the boats right here.
Have to avoid them.
881
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,360
The fact that she couldn't
come home, that she couldn't see us...
882
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,120
I think that really shook her.
883
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Oh, it's so, so pretty.
884
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,320
Oh, so pretty.
885
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,000
Oh, beautiful.
886
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,920
Oh, it's nice.
887
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,040
Is it nice?
888
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,120
Very nice.
889
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,120
This is the Morten Island
sand dune, or Tangalooma sand dune,
890
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,600
and since I can remember
since I was really little,
891
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,240
we would run up, throw ourselves down.
There we go again, up and down,
892
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,240
and it's just like... it's like a ritual.
Every time we come here we have to do it.
893
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,160
We bring new people.
Kodi came for the first time last year.
894
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,440
And then you just...
sacrifice into the sand.
895
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:19,440
This almost exact time last year
I was in a completely different headspace.
896
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,920
I had just experienced
the full impact of lockdown.
897
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,160
I remember being here and thinking,
oh, I've gotta go back next week.
898
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Back to lockdown, start training,
and I'm not feeling fit enough.
899
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,320
And I wasn't at a level...
900
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,800
where I felt confidence
coming into pre-season,
901
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,560
because this year is
the complete opposite.
902
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,800
Like, I've never felt fitter.
903
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,720
It takes a long time to gain,
but it takes nothing at all to lose.
904
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,160
Okay. I'm done.
905
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,720
Rarrrr!
906
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,840
Yet the outcome we want
is the best opportunity to score,
907
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,280
which is that deeper entry.
908
00:52:55,304 --> 00:52:57,304
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