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He came into my cell
and he said, "Ted,

I don't like the way this prosecution
against you is shaping up."

It was his sincerest belief there was
no way I could be found not guilty.

Ted: "They made the proposal." He said.
"An offer was made for you to make a plea

in exchange for a life sentence."

And it bothered me,

because I felt like he was conceding
that I was guilty,

and all he was there for
was to save my life.

I was under a lot of pressure.
A lot of pressure.

I don't think I've been under
so much pressure that I can recall.

A lot of pressure to take it.

I mean, I'd be the last one to say
I want the death penalty. I don't.

I mean, I would lay awake at night

worrying that this was going
to happen to me.

In that room full
of law enforcement officers and

Katsaris, and the head of the state patrol
sitting right up in front.

In front of God and everybody

just looking like cats
that had just swallowed the canary.

I skewered Mike.

Pretty rigorously.

And I at no time ever did I intend
to plead guilty to anything.

Stephen: You've got
a sense of drama, Ted.

I was really in control of myself.
I really felt good.

There was just no problem.

The new and improved Ted Bundy.

Simpson: Objection,
repetition your Honor.

Cowart: He's previously
described that Mr. Bundy.

If we recognize
that the person of this type

could receive gratification
in the act of killing itself

it's reasonable to assume at a later point
he might dwell on that.

Because it might fit
into the fantasy structure.

Attempts by me,
to participate in the courtroom

have been met with vigorous opposition
from a part of my counsel.

This is more...

We are speaking more to a problem

that attorneys have of giving up power.

Maybe we're dealing with a problem
of professional psychology.

Where, attorneys are so jealous

of the power they exercise
in the courtroom,

they're afraid to share it
with the defendant.

Cowart: And then there were three.

Are there any dates set
on any other trials?

Even with acquittal?

Yes, well...

You know,

if I was a football coach,
I'd say you don't-- you know,

when you're
in the first game of the season,

you don't start looking
for the Super Bowl.

I mean,
I felt the tide turn right there.

They may have been
somewhat ambivalent up to

in the state's case up until the point
when the state's witnesses testified.

And then our failure
to effectively refute that

was very significant to the jurors.

I was feeling embittered

and persecuted.

I couldn't endure this humiliation.

I had to make a statement.

Go ahead.

Was this from the inside
the cell or outside?

The court will find him
in contempt of this court

for failing to be here at this time.

And I want to instruct counsel
to go talk to Mr. Bundy.

And it's now ten minutes after nine.

This court will reconvene at 9:30,
and we'll continue

whether he's here or not.

Mr. Bundy?

The court wants to
talk to you a minute.

Come up to the bar here.

What happened?

What happened?

The court was supposed to
start at nine o'clock.

I wanna tell you something young man.

And I wanna tell you clearly
and unequivocally so you understand.

This court is not gonna
follow your schedule.

This court is gonna set the time
when we convene

and when we do not convene.

The court has already found you
in contempt of this court.

Be forewarned,
I'm not tolerating any more of this.

Is there any question in your mind?

You can quit breaking lights
and stuffing toilet paper in a lock,

that's how you
can not hold them in contempt.

Don't shake your finger at me, young man.

Don't shake your finger at me, young man.

That's fine,
you can shake it at Mr. Haggard.

If you say 'Whoa',

I'm gonna be using spurs
and overcome that whoa.

You bet.

And this court is gonna proceed
on schedule.

Bless your heart.
I just hope you stay with us.

Because if you don't, we'll miss you.

All right?

I'm not going to try to please people.

I hold my head high. I believe in myself.

Dealing from that on out,
I know exactly what's what.

And Lord knows I am the first
and foremost person

who has personal, intimate knowledge

that it couldn't be me.
That it's not me. That I am innocent.

And I'II lay my money on me.

This man premeditated this murder.

He knew what he was gonna do
before he did it.

He thinks he is smart enough

to get away with any crime.

Give him

the same amount of mercy

that he gave Lisa Levy
and Margaret Bowman.

Which was absolutely none.

They refuse
to perceive me as being anything

that approaches being normal.

They don't understand me.

They don't really understand me.
They are missing a very...

very important point, I guess.

Defendant, please step forward.

The court finds that
both of these killings

were indeed heinous,
atrocious, and cruel.

And that they were extremely wicked,

shockingly evil,

vile and the product of a design
to inflict a high degree of pain

and utter indifference to human life.

This court independent of,
but in agreement with,

the advisory sentence
rendered by the jury,

does hereby impose the death penalty,

upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy.

Take care of yourself, young man.

And I- I say that to you sincerely.
Take care of yourself.

It's a tragedy for this court to see

such a total waste I think of

humanity that I have
experienced in this court.

You're a bright young man.

You'd have made a good lawyer.

I would've loved to have you practice
in front of me.

But you went another way partner.

Take care of yourself.

I don't have any animosity towards you.
I want you to know that.

Court will be in recess
until Saturday morning at ten o'clock.

I don't really feel
like I have any really...

cute insights or observations...

analysis to add to...

what's happened this afternoon.

I am tired...

sad.

And even now I am

both fascinated with, and angry at myself

for falling into that role.

I don't feel guilty for any of it.
I feel less guilty now

than I've felt at any time
in my whole life.

About anything. I mean really.

And it's not that I've forgotten anything,
or I've closed down part of my mind

or compartmentalized.

I believe I understand
everything that I've done.

I am in the enviable position

of not having to feel any guilt.
And that's it.

Guilt is this mechanism
we use to control people.

It's an illusion.

It's this kind of social control mechanism
and it's very unhealthy.

There are a lot of guys
heavy into drugs up on death row.

I smoked a lot of weed, and I have never
in my life been so fucked up.

I don't like the dope
that just gets you mildly giddy,

I mean, when I smoke dope
I like to hallucinate a little bit.

I'm gonna bring some dope down here
sometime and we'll just smoke it.

And Valiums and alcohol.

Carole Boone:
We kept looking out of the window.

There was a black guard who was real nice.

After the first day
they just, they didn't care.

They walked in on us a couple of times.

If you wanna interest someone,
let's say, in

in the screenplay rights,
the movie rights, film rights,

news articles about me,

the Rolling Stone stuff,
the New Times stuff,

the New York Times magazine.

As a media event,

to touch people throughout the country

because people
throughout North America,

really are to one degree or another,
know about Ted Bundy.

As he came up behind her,
she heard him, she turned around,

and he brandished a knife.

And, let's say,
he placed his hands around her throat.

I knew I wasn't crazy, insane,
or incompetent, or anything else.

I was insulted
by even the suggestion by my attorneys

that we should consider the defense.

They knew damn well I wasn't crazy.

I'm at the point finally
where I see that I'm going to have to

tell you and others everything I know
in regard to so called unsolved cases.

I am the only one
in possession of this information,

that's just the way it is.

To do a proper job for everybody,

I'm going to need some time.

Bill: I'm here at Florida State Prison,

at Raiford, Florida, with Mr. Ted Bundy.

We're having a meeting

and presently it's two days
prior to his scheduled execution date.

You've been involved
in how many homicides?

Ted: Well, we came up with 30.
I mean, we added up.

It's late at night like you said,
but I think that's a fairly close figure.

Would you just try to summarize

what states they were in
and what periods of time?

Ted: I just really will summarize it...

California, Oregon, Washington,
Idaho, Utah,

Colorado, and Florida, between 19...

73 and 19...

78.

Bill: Of the 30 that you were involved in,

can you, have an idea
of how many were actually buried?

Ted: Well, that's a good question.

Ted: Gee, ten?

Bill: Ten burials of the 30 by 30?

Ted: That's roughly, I mean I just

Bill: Okay.

In a couple of the cases,
and I'm not sure how many,

but you opted
to sever the heads from the victims.

And how many were there,
do you recall, of the 30, that...

Ted: Perhaps half a dozen.

Ted: Can you hear that?
Bob: I can hear you.

Ted: Oh okay.

I just said that the Hawkins girl's head
was severed and taken up the road

25 to 50 yards

and buried in a location about ten yards
West of the road on a rocky hillside.

Did you hear that?

Vengeance is
what the death penalty really is.

Really, it's a desire of society
to take an eye for an eye.

And I guess there's no cure for that,
that's society's problem

maybe we should find a cure
for society's problem.

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Y'all get your chair pin?

An electric chair pin?

Yes Ma'am. Old Sparky,
it's a three legged chair

just like the original.

Five dollars.

We want to be able to say
we can identify these dangerous people.

The really scary thing is,
you can't identify them.

People don't realize that there are
potential killers among them.

How could anyone live
in a society where

people they liked, loved, lived with,
worked with, and admired

could the next day turn out to be

the most demonic people imaginable?