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# Knowing me, knowing you
Aha...
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# There is nothing we can do
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# Knowing me, knowing you... #
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Abba have given the world some
of the most powerful
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and memorable songs in pop history.
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They're legends.
They're living legends.
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You know it immediately,
that style, that sound.
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# Breaking up is never easy, I know,
but I have to go... #
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It's very evocative.
Just gets in there somehow.
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# Knowing me, knowing you,
it's the best I can do. #
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Their music has stood the test
of five decades
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and is celebrated the world over.
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There was no hype
that they had to live up to.
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They created their own hype.
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But 40 years ago,
it was a different story.
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The band fell apart
and Abba slipped into obscurity.
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I think they were just sick
of it by that point.
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Suddenly, Abba began looking
a little bit passe.
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We tell a remarkable tale that spans
four decades -
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how Benny and Bjorn experimented
with new music and new artists...
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It was an absolute thrill.
I couldn't believe it
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that we made it to number one.
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..while Agnetha and Frida both
chased international solo successes.
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I remember being amazed
when Phil Collins said,
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"Frida from Abba has asked me
to do an album."
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But their lives would be littered
with tragedy and loss.
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Agnetha was going through a very
serious and dangerous situation.
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She was a prisoner in her own home
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for nearly two years
because of this man.
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Frida had lost her daughter
after a car accident,
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which was a tragic event.
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In this extraordinary documentary,
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we hear from the band's
close friends...
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I'm not surprised that they took
a break
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because they wanted
another playground.
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..collaborators...
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Benny told me about the project and
I thought it was really exciting.
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..music industry insiders...
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Seeing her back as a more mature,
confident woman
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was a really beautiful thing to see.
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..and stars of Mamma Mia...
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They said, "Would you like to be
Meryl Streep's friend in it?"
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And I said, "Yes!"
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..one of the most successful
movie musicals of all time.
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It was the first day,
Benny's on the piano and I said,
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"Let's sing Dancing Queen!"
He's...
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We look back at an
incredible journey...
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They have survived everything
that the world
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can possibly throw at them.
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..and tell the remarkable story of
Abba's missing 40 years.
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CROWD CHEERING
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MUSIC: I Still Have Faith In You
by Abba
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# I still have faith in you
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I see now it now... #
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Abba, the world's biggest-selling
pop band of all time,
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are back in force
after a 40-year break.
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# There was a union
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# Of heart and mind... #
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It's really exciting.
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We've all been living off
the original stuff
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from all those years ago.
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What they've done is music history.
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It's just the best. Abba have magic.
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# We do have it in us
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# New spirit has arrived... #
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This announcement in September 2021
of a return album - Voyage -
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and a brand-new show was the news
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the world had been waiting for
for decades.
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Abba are back together.
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Officially. This is huge.
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That was just like childlike
wish fulfilment.
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I'm very surprised cos I thought
they were definitely
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never going to play again.
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Fans from all over the world went
wild when seeing this incredible
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footage of super troopers
Agnetha, Bjorn, Benny and Frida,
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now all in their seventies, reunited
in a studio for the first time
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since they split 40 years ago.
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I was really thrilled seeing
these photos.
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Frida, she told me about this.
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She said it was so warm
and so exciting
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and a bit strange,
but yet very familiar.
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It was so joyful to be together
in the studio again, the four of us.
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The initial project was shrouded
in secrecy
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and, at first, was only meant to be
two songs -
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I Still Have Faith In You
and Don't Shut Me Down.
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# A while ago, I heard the sound
of children's laughter
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# Now it's quiet, so I guess
they left the park... #
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One of those people entrusted
with Abba's comeback
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was renowned sound engineer
Bernard Lohr.
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# The sun is going down,
it's getting dark
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# I realise I'm cold... #
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It was Benny that told me first
about the project,
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and I thought
it was really exciting.
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It was a bit scary first to see
if the girls, for instance,
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when they started singing,
"Will this work?"
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Bjorn and Benny were sitting
in the control room
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just waiting to hear them
sing together.
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Emotionally, it was...yeah.
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The biggest thing was when they
started singing
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and it sounded so good.
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# And now you see another me
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# I've been reloaded, yeah
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VOICES ONLY: # I'm fired up,
don't shut me down. #
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Hearing their harmonies converge
for the first time
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in so many years, and you thought,
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"Yeah, that can only be Abba."
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# Do I have it in me? #
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I think it's wonderful that they are
there and that you can hear the age
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of the singers and that you can hear
the maturity of them.
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I felt a sense of,
like, familiarity,
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which was really nice
because I'm a big fan,
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so, like, hearing that, you know,
was like, "Oh!"
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# New spirit has arrived... #
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It's like Abba, you know?
It's still Abba, and they're back.
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# The joy and the sorrow
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# We have a story
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# And it survived... #
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You know it immediately, that style,
that that sound.
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BENNY: It's been 40 years and it was
like no time had passed.
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Quite amazing.
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The members of Abba now look closer
than ever.
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But rewind the clock
just over 40 years,
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and it was a completely
different story.
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Back in 1981, after almost ten years
of huge success,
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Abba seemed to be
running out of steam.
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The atmosphere within the group
had changed a lot by then.
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There was a lot of tension
between the four of them.
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I mean, they were both divorced
couples now,
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and the motivation
to do something kind of faded.
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The feeling was not that happy
feeling that was in the beginning
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and during the whole period.
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It must be personal, I think.
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Bjorn and Benny have always been
very close together,
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but I don't know about
the female side.
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MUSIC: Sweet Dreams
by Eurhythmics
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Alongside tensions within the band,
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Abba's popularity was also
in decline.
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# Sweet dreams are made of this
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# Who am I to disagree?
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# I travel the world... #
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With the emergence of a new youth
culture in the early '80s,
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the Swedish pop band was losing its
cool factor.
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I think on every level they kind
of then seemed a little bit naff,
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a little bit like they were kind
of from that previous era of music.
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HE MOUTHS
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Suddenly Abba began looking
a little bit passe.
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And when Benny and Bjorn went back
in the studio in May 1982
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for a tentative ninth album,
the internal energy had gone.
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They laid down tracks, including
I'm The City, You Owe Me One
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and Just Like That,
but they weren't satisfied.
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It all felt very lacklustre,
so they had to scrap the idea
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of a ninth album because the songs
just weren't coming.
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Instead, they released a singles
double album,
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ironically entitled
The First Ten Years,
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which included a couple
of new releases -
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Under Attack and
The Day Before You Came...
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# I must have left my house at eight
because I always do... #
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..a sombre track sung by Agnetha
on her own,
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with a simple synthesiser melody.
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# I must have read the morning paper
going into town... #
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The Day Before You Came
tells it all.
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You suddenly come to a song
which is brilliant.
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# I must have made my desk
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# Around a quarter after nine... #
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But it's not Abba.
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# And stopped along the way to buy
some Chinese food to go... #
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It was actually slightly more
in keeping
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with that kind of
dark and brooding aesthetic
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that was more zeitgeist.
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But coming from Abba, I think there
was just a jarring
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that people didn't quite understand.
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It's now held up as an Abba classic,
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but, at the time, only reached
number 32 on the UK charts.
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For Abba, that was like a massive
sort of failure.
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# I must have gone to bed
around a quarter after ten. #
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By the end of '82,
with Bjorn and Benny remarried
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and Frida and Agnetha not,
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tensions amongst the band members
were intolerable.
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APPLAUSE
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Ladies and gentlemen, all four
members of Abba.
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Invited on Noel Edmonds'
Late, Late Breakfast Show
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to promote their new tracks,
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you could have cut the atmosphere
with a knife.
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It was a difficult time
because there was not a lot
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of motivation left for Abba
to continue
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and Bjorn and Benny were both
fathers again.
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The papers recently have been full
of stories
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that you're going
to split eventually.
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We're not. You're not?
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No.
AUDIENCE LAUGHS
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Well, they're obviously relieved to
hear it. I was just going to ask
you if that ever occurred to you,
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and who would make the decision? I
mean, would it be a joint decision?
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It would be. Yes, we would.
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The tension, the body language is
almost unbearable.
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I mean, I sort of remember it looked
strange to me at the time.
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Frida looks so incredible.
She's got this punky haircut,
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which is a kind of classic
post-divorce kind of gesture.
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It's very telling cos body language
does not lie,
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so even though with their mouths,
they're saying,
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"No, we're completely together,"
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actually, their behaviour is not
very together.
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What I'd like to do, really, is just
ask you to publicly tell
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us your favourite Abba tunes.
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No, it's really a difficult decision
because, I mean,
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Benny and Bjorn have written so many
good songs. Thank you. Thank you.
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Yes, but you should know about
that by now!
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Well, you never said that.
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OK, so it's the first time.
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No-one knew it then, but this
incredibly uncomfortable appearance
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would be Abba's last ever
TV interview
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and would mark the beginning of a
long and tumultuous 40 years apart.
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By the end of 1982, Bjorn and Benny
had lost interest in composing songs
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for Abba and plans for a new album
were scrapped.
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For a year now, they had been
focused on a very different project,
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away from Frida and Agnetha,
with top musical lyricist Tim Rice.
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We were at a stage with Abba
where we felt
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sort of the energy
running out slightly,
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so it was time for a pause.
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Bjorn and Benny decided
that things were coming to a close
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before the women were aware
of what the schism was going to be
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and what their plans
were going to be after that point.
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ORCHESTRAL MUSIC PLAYS
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The news of Bjorn and Benny working
with another songwriting legend -
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Tim Rice - got record producers
excited and soon a concept album
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for a brand-new musical
called Chess,
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with West End superstar
Elaine Paige, was under way.
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Tim started going to and fro
Stockholm to work with them.
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I remember this distinctly,
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him coming back with the initial
demo tapes,
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mostly played on piano synth.
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Some of them were Benny
and Bjorn lala-ing along,
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you know, dummy lyrics,
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and they just kept on coming
one after the other.
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Set during a Cold War
chess tournament
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between two grandmasters
- one American, the other Soviet -
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Chess tells the story of their
intense professional battle
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and a personal one over two women.
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And I just thought,
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"Wow, this is...
This is incredible."
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And it was a wonderful mix of music.
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Some of them were kind of
classically operatic,
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others soft rock and pop,
and even rap.
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# Bangkok, oriental setting
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# And the city don't know
what the city is gettin'... #
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In the Abba Museum in Stockholm,
curator Ingmarie has dedicated
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a whole section to
this monumental project
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that Bjorn and Benny slaved
over for five years.
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# Since the Tirolean Spa
had the chess boys in it... #
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I'm not at all surprised
that they actually took a break
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from Abba because they wanted to get
to know
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another playground, which was
the musical.
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They took all the good things
from Abba into the musical world.
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If you listen to songs like One
Night In Bangkok, that's a pop song.
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# One night in Bangkok
and the tough guys tumble
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# Can't be too careful
with your company... #
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It's a different concept.
It's a different challenge.
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But arguably, Chess has got songs
that were probably
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more suited to Abba
than anybody else.
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MUSIC: I Know Him So Well
from Chess
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And the most recognisable song
from Chess is another female duet
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featuring Elaine Paige
and Barbara Dickson.
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# Wasn't it good?
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# Oh so good
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# Wasn't he fine?
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# Oh so fine
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# Isn't it madness
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# He can't be mine? #
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Of course, there is Abba
in the bottom.
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I mean, you can actually
hear Frida and Agnetha.
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# More security
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# He needs his fantasy and freedom
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# I know him so well. #
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ELAINE PAIGE: Well, it was
a challenge, you know,
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cos I wanted to do my best.
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And I remember thinking
the attention to detail,
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there was nothing missed,
even the slightest thing.
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If it wasn't quite right
for some reason,
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or the rhythm was a bit, you know...
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..no, it would all be done again.
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No, it's...
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# Well, at least she's a
good-looking spy... #
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Bum, bum, bum.
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# What if my Russian
friend thinks... #
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Yeah, you can sing it like that.
So, leave another beat?
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Yes.
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It was fantastic for me
cos I'm kind of the same myself.
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It can drive people mad
but, for me, I loved it.
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# Wasn't it good?
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# Oh, so good
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# Wasn't he fine?
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# Oh, so fine
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# Isn't it madness
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# He won't be mine?
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# Didn't I know... #
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I Know Him So Well hit number one
in the UK charts
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and went on to become
one of the best-selling
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female duets of all time.
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ELAINE PAIGE: Chess was fantastic.
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I mean, that was the best score of
the 1980s.
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# I know him so well. #
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On the back of the worldwide success
of the concept album,
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a West End stage show in London
was inevitable.
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I can't imagine Benny and Bjorn
being daunted
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or nervous about anything ever.
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But when Chess launched
at the West End,
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there was a huge amount of
international interest.
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When it comes to the opening
of Chess,
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of course it was a ton of stress.
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I believe I'm right in saying
it was, at that time,
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the most expensive musical ever
to open in the West End.
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Despite a staggering
ยฃ4 million budget,
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the musical opened to mixed reviews.
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But the experience of making Chess
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gave Benny and Bjorn an exciting
new career trajectory.
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It was the beginning for them,
I think, to branch out
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into musical theatre.
It didn't put them off, did it?
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SHE CHUCKLES
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While the boys had been immersed
in Chess,
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both Frida and Agnetha
were left wondering
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where the next Abba song
was coming from.
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They don't have the security
of Bjorn and Benny any more,
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two men that they've been working
very closely with,
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and all of a sudden you're like out
on your own.
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It must be really scary.
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Frida found herself
in a unique position
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as being a solo artist by default.
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And her musical inspiration came
from an unlikely
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and very British rock star.
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On her way to the summer house,
her daughter played her a cassette
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which was Face Value, the album of
Phil Collins.
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In The Air Tonight, the album's
standout hit, was darkly atmospheric
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and featured angry lyrics concerning
Phil Collins' bitter divorce,
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and it cut Frida to the core.
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MUSIC: In The Air Tonight
by Phil Collins
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# I can feel it coming
in the air tonight
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# Oh, Lord... #
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She loved the Face Value album
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that Phil and I had done together.
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It was a personal thing as well.
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I think she felt attracted
to the songs
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that he had written
related to his divorce.
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Inspired by Face Value, Frida found
the strength to break free
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from Abba and record a solo album,
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and she asked Phil Collins
to produce it.
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FRIDA: Abba has been working
for ten years now
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and...in a way, I feel
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that I'm stuck in a pattern,
you know?
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And as my life has changed
so completely in other respects,
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I feel that it's a necessity
to change even the musical aspect.
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I remember being amazed
when Phil said,
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"Oh, Frida from Abba has asked
us to do an album.
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"Let's... Let's do it."
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Hugh Padgham was part
of the all-British crew who,
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with Phil Collins, headed to
Stockholm to record the album
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in Abba's very own Polar Studios.
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I was very, very tense and nervous.
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It was the first thing I had done
outside Abba
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and all the people were new for me.
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I didn't... I had met Phil twice,
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and the others I hadn't met at all.
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Everything was kind of strange
to her
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and she was so nervous that she
had to call in sick the next day,
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so the second day of recording.
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OK-doke. A little bit
of guitar, please.
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I can imagine
if I'd been in her shoes
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and being outside your comfort zone
like that, it would have been quite
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nerve-racking cos we all knew
each other,
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so she was like thrown in
with all these guys.
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I can't even imagine what
it was like
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cos I know what I've been through.
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I've been in way too many sessions
where it's like me and five men.
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Just being in that room
is intimidating in itself.
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She was kind of subdued
and a little bit timid,
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and she didn't really dare to say
what she wanted in the album,
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what she wanted it to be like.
Phil was kind of annoyed about this
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and tried to convince her to speak
out and to say...
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"It's your album, baby,"
he said, "You have to decide."
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PLAYS POP-ROCK TUNE
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# You made me look
into your eyes... #
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But eventually, Frida
and her new band bonded.
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Well, when she found out that they
were a team,
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a kind of small family, then she
kind of felt at ease
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and found her self-confidence again.
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Well, you know what I mean... Man.
..man?
FRIDA CHUCKLES
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She had this sort of hair thing
going on, and when she was singing,
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she used to put her headphones
on under her hair.
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She didn't want to mess her hair up.
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She was great. She became
one of the boys.
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But Frida's attempt to go solo and
find her own style away from Abba
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raised an eyebrow with their manager
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and Polar Studios boss,
Stig Anderson.
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Stig Anderson wasn't happy at all
with the way the album was going
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because what he wanted was songs,
pop songs with a very strong hook.
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I remember Stig saying something
that made Frida cry.
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Stig didn't think that there was
a hit on the album,
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and he asked Bjorn and Benny to come
up with some songs.
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It's almost like, "Oh, well, she
can't possibly do it on her own,"
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undermining the potential that
a woman might actually
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have something to offer
in her own right.
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But Frida was quite forceful.
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She said, "No way."
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MUSIC: I Know There's Something
Going On by Anni-Frid Lyngstad
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Frida proved Stig wrong,
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and the stomping title track,
There's Something Going On -
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tellingly about a woman who suspects
her lover is having an affair -
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was an international hit.
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# I can see that
it won't be long... #
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It was a big departure from what
Abba was recording before.
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# You grow cold when you keep
holding on... #
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She clearly said to Phil, "Whatever
you did on In The Air Tonight,
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"I'd like quite a lot more of that."
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POP ROCK VIBES
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# I know there's
something going on... #
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She was marking out her territory
as a solo artist.
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She's saying, "Forget about Abba.
I don't sound like that any more."
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"I don't look like that any more.
You need to take me as I am now."
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The critical and commercial success
of the album
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was just what Frida needed as she
moved further away from Abba.
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She was extremely proud
of the record.
420
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This was something she did
by herself.
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I imagine Frida was like,
"There you go."
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You know, "I can do
it without you lot."
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On a wave of solo success, Frida cut
herself free
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from her old record label
and moved to London.
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She wanted to reinvent herself,
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and she was kind of held back
in Sweden
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because she was reminded of
everything of her life before,
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of Benny, of her divorce.
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Despite there being no news
of an official Abba split,
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now Frida had scored solo success,
Agnetha looked to do the same,
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and Abba looked increasingly
like a thing of the past.
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SYNTHPOP BEAT PLAYS
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Like Frida, Agnetha turned
to a music industry giant
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to produce her solo album.
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Mike Chapman was a very famous
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and successful producer in the '80s.
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He'd worked with lots of bands,
the most famous being, of course,
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Blondie with the amazing
Debbie Harry,
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and he was all about hits,
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mainstream success, but retaining
coolness at the same time.
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This was something she wanted to do.
It was somewhere she wanted to be.
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It was with a producer who was
encouraging her and challenging her
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and pushing her voice
in slightly different directions
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than perhaps Benny and Bjorn
had been doing,
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so it was a very happy atmosphere
for her.
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Keen to get away from her reputation
as the forlorn-looking one
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who sang the sad Abba songs,
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Agnetha plumped for an upbeat album
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filled with feel-good numbers
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like the album's biggest hit,
The Heat Is On.
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TRILLING: # Tropical summer
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# Balmy day
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# Sit around, you haven't much
to say
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# Cos the heat is on... #
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Wrap Your Arms Around Me
was a very positive
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summer kind of album with a lot
of romanticism in it.
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Agnetha, who had never been a fan
of interviews during the Abba years,
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was now having to brave the cameras
and promote her album alone.
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It was something she knew
she had to do
460
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rather than something
she wanted to do.
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Despite - or because of, maybe -
her beauty,
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there was a nervousness
about just being seen
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as being the face,
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rather than being a serious musician
and a serious professional.
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This wasn't helped when she suffered
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this excruciating interview
on BBC Breakfast Time.
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Here to promote the record and
there's an album coming out later
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in the month which is called...?
469
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Yeah, the album comes
the last of May
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and it's called
Wrap Your Arms Around Me.
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I might!
THEY LAUGH
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Well, tell me, why are you Swedes
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all universally
so infuriatingly beautiful?
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A friend of mine calls you clones.
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00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:16,300
He says every time you see a Swedish
woman or know you're going
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to meet one, you know she's going
to be beautiful.
477
00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:21,460
The constant focus
on her physicality, her beauty,
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her sexiness was extremely
destructive for Agnetha.
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It hurt her sense of confidence
as an artist.
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And when asked about the future
of Abba,
481
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:34,900
Agnetha appeared optimistic.
482
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,460
Frida's working for herself
and I'm working for myself,
483
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:41,300
but we still try to keep
the group together.
484
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,700
But within a couple of years,
Agnetha and Frida would make
485
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:48,540
life decisions that would shock fans
the world over
486
00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:51,300
and shatter any hopes of a reunion.
487
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:58,900
Two years after
the unofficial Abba split,
488
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:02,260
Bjorn and Benny were devoted to
their musical Chess,
489
00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:07,740
and Agnetha had released her pop
solo album Wrap Your Arms Around Me.
490
00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:11,540
On the back of her successful
collaboration with Phil Collins,
491
00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:14,980
Frida was confidently building
her solo career
492
00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:17,100
outside Sweden and Abba.
493
00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:23,340
Determined to continue
her reinvention
494
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:25,780
as a successful solo star,
495
00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:28,700
she travelled to Paris to work
with a young
496
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,740
and high-flying producer,
Steve Lillywhite.
497
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:35,220
Steve Lillywhite, at that point,
498
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:38,900
was absolutely at the top
of the production tree.
499
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:43,500
He'd worked with some really,
really cutting edge kind of bands
500
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,580
of the '70s. You know, worked
with Ultravox
501
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:49,580
and Siouxsie and the Banshees,
the Psychedelic Furs,
502
00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,700
had this sort of great
kind of cachet
503
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:56,500
in that experimental
and electronic music.
504
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:00,660
Now back in the studio
in a foreign land
505
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:03,460
and with a complete new set
of musicians,
506
00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:07,700
Frida was once again setting herself
a huge challenge.
507
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:10,140
She is freshening it up
all over again.
508
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:13,540
She's very experimental.
She's very much at the cutting edge.
509
00:28:13,540 --> 00:28:16,260
Well, Frida was very positive
about working with Steve Lillywhite,
510
00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:18,060
but everyone was very young.
511
00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:20,780
Frida was, I think, ten years
older than the producer.
512
00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:28,820
Frida had a strong personal input
in her new album, Shine.
513
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:32,100
With this quirky music video
for its title track,
514
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:36,340
she projected a fresh and futuristic
image of herself
515
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:40,580
and an all-out '80s thrashing
musical style.
516
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:43,420
# You give me love,
you make me shine
517
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:48,220
# Clear in the midnight sky... #
518
00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:51,580
It's very much about punching
into the '80s -
519
00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:54,140
a very aerobics-inspired
choreography,
520
00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:58,220
the wardrobe is all neon,
all plastic,
521
00:28:58,220 --> 00:29:00,500
lots of shoulder pads,
very angular.
522
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,540
SHE CHUCKLES
523
00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:04,140
# More communication
524
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:09,820
# More communication,
that's all I need... #
525
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:14,620
Despite Frida's enthusiasm
526
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:17,460
for an album she was
extremely proud of,
527
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:19,500
Shine flopped.
528
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:23,540
Frida was very disappointed by it
because she really felt 100%
529
00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:27,780
for this album, and she felt
like she was opened up creatively.
530
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:30,700
She probably wanted to try
531
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,860
and prove the Stig Andersons of this
world wrong,
532
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:36,380
so when the album wasn't
successful commercially,
533
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:40,420
that would have knocked that
confidence back quite considerably.
534
00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:43,300
It seemed like success was kind
of fading away,
535
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:44,940
so everything kind of stopped.
536
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:49,980
Her confidence knocked
and approaching 40,
537
00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:52,700
Frida quit the fast pace of London.
538
00:29:57,820 --> 00:30:00,780
In search of a new way of life,
539
00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:04,740
she headed to the tranquillity
of Switzerland.
540
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:08,220
Frida's reinvented herself
multiple times in her life
541
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:10,540
and she has a kind
of driving ambition,
542
00:30:10,540 --> 00:30:14,420
so even though she endures
failures and setbacks,
543
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:18,420
she's not completely tanked by it.
She simply changes direction.
544
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:22,180
It takes a huge amount of inner
strength to be able to do that.
545
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:28,580
Back in Sweden,
Agnetha was also struggling
546
00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:31,380
with the tough realities
of going solo.
547
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:34,020
An ongoing battle
with the tabloid press
548
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:36,740
made life increasingly unbearable.
549
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:43,060
Agnetha was the honeypot
550
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:46,420
that the flies of the Swedish
tabloid press
551
00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:48,380
started to swarm around.
552
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:51,940
Because she was always a very
private and sensitive person,
553
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:55,140
they kind of latched on that
and wanted to know more.
554
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:58,020
She was no longer protected
by the Abba bubble,
555
00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,140
and she found it very difficult
to cope with it.
556
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:07,300
Throughout the 1980s, unpleasant
and often fictitious tabloid tales
557
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,620
concerning Agnetha and her private
life appeared
558
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,420
on an almost daily basis.
559
00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:15,660
They were linking her romantically
to men
560
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:17,620
that she wasn't involved with.
561
00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:20,500
There were stories on the front
pages that she was pregnant
562
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:24,300
when she wasn't. And then when
a baby didn't appear,
563
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,620
the stories were, "Agnetha has
suffered a miscarriage."
564
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:32,140
Feeling under siege from the media,
565
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:35,180
Agnetha became
increasingly reclusive,
566
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:40,020
refusing to do any promotional work
on releasing new material.
567
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:42,980
She just didn't want to do
that any more.
568
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:44,820
I mean, there's loads of interviews
you can see
569
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:47,020
where you can see she just doesn't
want to be there.
570
00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:50,420
The only recourse
she had was to say,
571
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:53,060
"No, I'm not doing your interviews."
572
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:57,220
So she began to withdraw
more and more into seclusion.
573
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,300
Agnetha did have one final throw
of the dice
574
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:06,220
when, in 1988, she flew to London
to promote an album
575
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:07,980
on the Wogan chat show.
576
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:10,180
# Let me lose you
like I found you... #
577
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:14,340
The track she chose to sing
was fittingly titled The Last Time.
578
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:18,500
# If it's the last time
579
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:22,700
# There's no danger in the fire
580
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:27,140
# Let it burn and take us higher
581
00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:31,020
# Let's give it one more try... #
582
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:32,740
You kind of felt, listening to it,
583
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:35,620
that this was a woman saying goodbye
in many ways.
584
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:39,140
She was now in her late 30s,
pushing 40,
585
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:41,860
and she didn't feel she had
the motivation on her side.
586
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:45,220
She now just wanted to be a mother
587
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:47,620
and her pop career now
was behind her.
588
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:51,180
You obviously still want to put
yourself through
589
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:53,260
the rigmarole of pop music.
590
00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:56,380
Yes. Well, it just happens,
you know?
591
00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:58,900
It's hard to, um...get away from it.
592
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,100
It would definitely have been one of
those moments where she didn't
593
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,900
really want to be there.
Her heart wasn't in it anymore.
594
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,500
But one would have imagined
that you would have bought yourself
595
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,820
the little house on the fjord
and just...
596
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:11,580
Well, I have! ..retired.
Oh, you have?
597
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:17,380
This was indeed Agnetha's last time.
598
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:19,860
Shortly after her BBC appearance,
599
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,020
she moved to the quiet island
of Ekero,
600
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:26,300
45 minutes outside Stockholm.
601
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,900
After two decades in the limelight,
602
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:33,220
an exhausted Agnetha was about to
disappear from the public eye.
603
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,180
I thought, "I have to have
a little break now, and...
604
00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:43,980
"Oh, I've done so much,
605
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:47,420
"I want to be with my children
and in my home
606
00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:50,060
"and with the horses
and with my dogs."
607
00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:57,900
Whilst Agnetha and Frida withdrew
from music and public life,
608
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,420
the experience of creating
the musical Chess
609
00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:03,580
had Benny keen to do more.
610
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:07,020
Teaming up with Bjorn once again,
611
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:10,020
he embarked on an epic
Swedish project
612
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:13,780
that reconnected him with his
folk music roots -
613
00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:19,180
a musical based on a classic Swedish
novel, Kristina Fran Duvemala,
614
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:24,020
with themes close to Benny's heart,
as he revealed in this interview.
615
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:29,900
It's dealing with the fact
that over a million Swedish people
616
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:34,860
emigrated to America
in the 19th century.
617
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:36,860
OPERATIC SINGING IN SWEDISH
618
00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:45,180
Kristina Fran Duvemala
couldn't be further away
619
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:50,060
from the glitter and the gloss
and the spandex of the Abba years.
620
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:54,260
You've got a very strong story
about survivalism, migration,
621
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,500
the Swedish national character.
622
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:59,140
There's some beautiful songs
in that.
623
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:01,940
It just showed the versatility,
doesn't it,
624
00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:04,180
of what they can do and can write?
625
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:07,180
What they've been able to do
over the years
626
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:10,740
is move their style
627
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:15,300
from that immediate
three-minute pop song,
628
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:18,820
and they've been able
to broaden it out.
629
00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:21,980
I think that anything that Benny
and Bjorn seem to do is magic.
630
00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:26,300
Kristina Fran Duvemala
was a critical
631
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,820
and commercial hit in Sweden,
632
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:31,620
attracting an audience
of more than a million people
633
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:35,820
and elevating Bjorn and Benny
to national treasure status.
634
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:45,020
Meanwhile, over 1,000 miles away
in Switzerland,
635
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:49,060
Frida's life was about to mirror
that of a fairy tale
636
00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:52,340
when she met and fell in love
with a German prince.
637
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,300
FRIDA IN SWEDISH:
638
00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:09,940
She looked more relaxed
and more at ease with herself.
639
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:11,900
She had overcome
a lot of insecurities.
640
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,900
She has a more classy look now.
She's not so rock attitude anymore.
641
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:24,220
The romance with Prince Ruzzo Ruess
resulted in a marriage in 1992.
642
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:27,700
Frida's personal journey
has been completely fascinating.
643
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:31,580
She went from being
the orphaned child
644
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,340
to a global superstar
645
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:35,620
to stepping away from fame,
646
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:39,340
and then marrying
into German royalty
647
00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:42,380
on top of being
musical royalty herself.
648
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:48,220
With Frida living a new exclusive
life in Switzerland,
649
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:52,020
Agnetha retreating to her remote
Swedish island,
650
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:56,300
and Benny and Bjorn dedicating
themselves to their Swedish musical,
651
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,300
by the early '90s, the former
Abba members
652
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,660
couldn't have been further apart.
653
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:06,380
But an unexpected revival
was about to send the world
654
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:08,580
Abba-crazy once again.
655
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:13,180
# I've been cheated by you
since I don't know when... #
656
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,580
I really fell in love with them
when I took my daughter
657
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:19,500
and my nieces to see Mamma Mia!
the musical.
658
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:20,700
# Whoa-oh
659
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:21,860
# Mamma mia. #
660
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:30,860
June 1992...
661
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:34,820
This is definitely one of the
most surreal nights of my life.
662
00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:37,500
..appearing in front
of a huge crowd,
663
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:41,060
Benny and Bjorn were invited
on stage by U2
664
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:43,100
to play a stripped-down version
665
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:46,300
of their absolute classic hit
Dancing Queen.
666
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:47,700
Bjorn and Benny.
667
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,420
# Friday night
and the lights are low
668
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:56,900
# Looking out for a place to go
669
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:00,860
# Where they play the right music
670
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:02,620
# Ready to sort of sing
671
00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:04,820
# You're in the mood
for a dance... #
672
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:07,660
Ten years after the band's
unofficial split,
673
00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:10,660
they were reconnecting
with Abba's music.
674
00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:14,140
There was a moment when
Benny and Bjorn changed their mind.
675
00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:16,420
Instead of running away from Abba,
676
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,700
in the '90s, they decided
to turn round
677
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,860
and run straight back towards Abba.
678
00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:23,980
# Having the time of your life
679
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:27,060
# Oh, see that girl
680
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:28,740
# Watch that scene
681
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:31,140
# Digging the dancing queen
682
00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:36,460
# Oh-oh. #
683
00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:37,980
And again!
684
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:41,940
# If you change your mind,
I'm the first in line
685
00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:43,460
# Honey, I'm still free... #
686
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:46,220
After being ignored for almost
a decade,
687
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:49,900
the music of Abba
captured the zeitgeist once again.
688
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:55,260
There was absolutely a need
and a desire for optimism.
689
00:38:55,260 --> 00:39:00,660
The '90s went back into
having this no-holds barred
690
00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,380
front and centre pop music,
691
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:07,460
so it was really a great breeding
ground decade
692
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:10,260
for the shiny pop
that Abba had been making
693
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,180
to come back into vogue again.
694
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:17,740
In 1992, British band Erasure paid
tribute to their favourite group
695
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:21,220
and released an EP of Abba covers.
696
00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:24,260
ANDY BELL: I mean, I just had a
passion, I really had a passion
697
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:27,700
for them and I just thought...
I thought they were undersung.
698
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,660
These songs were so kind
of impressed on me,
699
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:33,140
I had to do them.
We just had to do them.
700
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,900
I had to do them live, had to do
them just to get them
701
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,660
out of my system, the songs.
702
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:41,020
# You wanted to leave me there,
afraid of a love affair
703
00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:43,180
# But I think you know
704
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:47,180
# That I can't let go... #
705
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:52,420
Abba-esque gave Erasure their first
number one single in the UK chart
706
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:56,380
and bolstered
Abba's renewed popularity.
707
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:59,660
Something was bubbling under
in the zeitgeist,
708
00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:03,060
and we just happened to put
this thing out at the same time,
709
00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:04,940
and I'm really glad
that I was part of it.
710
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:10,620
Abba's record label
jumped on the revival wagon
711
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:13,300
and that same year
released Abba Gold -
712
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:16,340
a compilation of
all their greatest hits
713
00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:18,260
that cemented a legacy
714
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:21,340
that Bjorn and Benny
could never have dreamt of.
715
00:40:21,340 --> 00:40:25,620
# I've been cheated by you
since I don't know... #
716
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:28,420
The songs are just
classic pop songs,
717
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:31,940
and a classic good pop song
just won't die.
718
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:37,380
The album sold over five million
copies within a year of release.
719
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,260
We were in the height
of the CD era then,
720
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:44,220
so this was racked up
in every supermarket,
721
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:46,540
record shop,
anywhere that sold music.
722
00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:51,300
So that was the opportunity,
for women in particular,
723
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,780
to be able to kind of
grab the CD off the shelf,
724
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:57,700
play it, dance around the kitchen
with their kids,
725
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:01,940
introduce those songs to that
up-and-coming generation as well.
726
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:04,140
I don't even know
if it has been out of the charts
727
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:07,180
in the 30 years
since it was released.
728
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,740
That really was the catalyst
of their reappraisal.
729
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:12,380
After Abba Gold, it was like...
730
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:15,460
..full speed ahead.
731
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:22,860
Whilst the world was once again
going Abba mad,
732
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:26,580
Frida, now happy and settled
in her private life
733
00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:28,620
and encouraged by her prince,
734
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:32,900
made an unexpected return to Sweden
to record new music.
735
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,380
Sek-sek-sek.
736
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:42,660
She wanted to do an album
that meant something to her,
737
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:46,460
which would go a little bit further
than just doing an album.
738
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:50,060
But having spent a decade
away from the studio,
739
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:52,580
the return was challenging.
740
00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:16,580
Frida's efforts paid off
741
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:21,260
and resulted in this elegant single,
Aven En Blomma.
742
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:26,180
# I djupa andetag
743
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:30,380
# En manniskas karlek och lag... #
744
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:32,420
The song was about inner growth,
745
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:35,060
the evolvement of herself as
a person, as a woman,
746
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:36,860
the journey she had been on,
747
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:40,860
and also nature, and how important
it was to care about nature.
748
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:45,100
The album was
a massive hit in Sweden,
749
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:48,380
and on a personal level,
Frida was deeply satisfied
750
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:52,580
with the compositions
and the themes it explored.
751
00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:54,340
BELL TOLLS
752
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:02,740
Meanwhile, as the resurging interest
in Abba's music grew,
753
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:05,620
in London, Bjorn and Benny
were in talks
754
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:09,460
about an exciting new project -
755
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:12,380
a musical built
around their greatest hits
756
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:14,540
that would introduce Abba
757
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:16,700
to an even wider audience.
758
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:18,420
I really discovered them
759
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,380
when I took my daughter
and my nieces
760
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:23,340
to see Mamma Mia! the musical.
761
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:25,820
Not thinking I was going to...
Sorry, boys!
762
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:28,660
Not thinking I was going to
enjoy it at all.
763
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:31,540
And, erm...
I was just blown away by it.
764
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:36,620
The musical was the brainchild
of theatre producer Judy Craymer,
765
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:39,580
who came up with the idea
while working on Chess
766
00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:42,180
with Bjorn and Benny
a decade earlier.
767
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:44,180
It was one woman's obsession
with Abba
768
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:46,860
that actually got this musical
off the ground.
769
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:49,060
I mean, she lives Abba,
I think, Judy.
770
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:52,380
I know Judy Craymer
had approached Benny and Bjorn
771
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:56,020
many, many times over, saying,
"Please let me do this."
772
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:58,980
And they said no, for starters.
773
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:02,020
But on a warm summer evening
in 1995,
774
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:05,260
after enjoying Grease
on the West End stage,
775
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:07,660
Bjorn had a change of heart
776
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:11,740
and saw the potential
in Judy Craymer's idea.
777
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:14,580
And then they said,
"Yes, come up with a good script."
778
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:18,460
Now under pressure
to come up with a good story,
779
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:22,220
Judy Craymer turned to
playwright Catherine Johnson.
780
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:30,860
The plot of Mamma Mia was hashed out
at Paddington Station,
781
00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:34,940
probably over a congealed sandwich
and a cold coffee,
782
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:38,500
by Judy Craymer and her collaborator
Catherine Johnson,
783
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,700
who was a traditional,
very respected,
784
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:44,020
old-school theatre lady.
785
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:45,620
So it started spinning,
786
00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:49,460
and suddenly
Catherine had this vision.
787
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:51,660
What about a young girl?
788
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:54,540
She doesn't know who her father is
and she's getting married.
789
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:57,460
And she invites three guys
who could be her dad
790
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:59,660
based on her mum's diary,
791
00:44:59,660 --> 00:45:02,420
and they will show up
at this lovely Grecian event.
792
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:05,740
And then Judy just said to her,
"You're not taking the train,
793
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:08,020
"you're sitting down,
now we're working."
794
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:11,420
It sounds so crackers,
but it's a very strong idea,
795
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:14,220
cos it's all about love
and family and belonging,
796
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,260
and that's what Abba's about.
797
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:21,540
Judy then turned to celebrated
theatre director Phyllida Lloyd
798
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:24,740
to complete
the all-female creative team.
799
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:27,380
I loved it
that there was a team of women.
800
00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:33,380
It just makes it feel...special
and empowering in many ways.
801
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:36,700
When word got out
that production was under way,
802
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,340
the project made headlines
all over the world,
803
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:44,020
leaving Agnetha and Frida
to hear about it
804
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:46,700
at the same time as everybody else.
805
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:50,780
When Frida heard about
the musical Mamma Mia,
806
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:52,700
through the media,
807
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:56,420
it was reported that the musical
would be about the story of Abba.
808
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:59,220
She immediately sent off
an angry fax to Bjorn,
809
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:03,180
saying like, "What the hell
do you think you're doing?"
810
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:06,740
But once again,
the tabloid press was speculating
811
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:08,260
and had got it wrong.
812
00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:11,460
Bjorn, of course, replied
that it wasn't the case at all,
813
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:13,500
it was a complete different story,
814
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:16,460
after which she eventually became
one of its investors.
815
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:25,740
When the show opened in London
on the 6th of April 1999,
816
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:27,740
it was the talk of the town.
817
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:30,660
If you weren't at the premiere,
at the first night,
818
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:33,980
I mean, forget it,
you're just in social Siberia.
819
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:37,460
The musical's launch coincided
beautifully
820
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:39,420
with the 25th anniversary
821
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:43,940
of Abba winning the Eurovision
Song Contest with Waterloo.
822
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:47,420
The audience went wild.
823
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:51,860
# I was cheated by you
and I think you know when... #
824
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:55,060
I don't think I've ever experienced
something like that.
825
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:57,340
It was like, I don't know,
a mashup
826
00:46:57,340 --> 00:47:01,380
between a late-night disco
and a theatre.
827
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:02,660
It was amazing.
828
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:05,980
Oh, it was magic.
829
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:08,740
People were chuckling,
and then people were laughing,
830
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:10,700
and then people were dancing
and laughing.
831
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:14,140
# There's a fire within my soul... #
832
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:18,940
Mamma Mia became one of the highest
grossing musicals of all time,
833
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:22,900
generating another huge wave
of Abba fans.
834
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:26,380
The music was just so infectious
835
00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:29,260
and so uplifting and so moving
836
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:31,420
that I immediately bought the album.
837
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:34,380
# You are the dancing queen
838
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:41,180
# Young and sweet, only 17... #
839
00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:44,820
It makes a journey out of the music
840
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:48,060
in a way that was
incredibly appealing
841
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:51,500
to people that had missed out
on Abba first time round.
842
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:56,260
# You can dance, you can jive... #
843
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:58,900
A lot of people in my age
844
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:02,300
who weren't really, like,
super, super into pop,
845
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:07,020
that was their first introduction
to Abba songs.
846
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:14,620
With a tidal wave of new Abba fans,
847
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:19,860
the world media became obsessed
with a possible Abba reunion.
848
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:22,500
Are you surprised that Abba keeps
coming back and back and back,
849
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,740
are you surprised? Yeah...
No, we never came back.
850
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:28,500
That's the good thing about Abba.
No, we never reunited.
851
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:31,820
But on that opening night,
852
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:35,820
while Bjorn and Benny
were heralding an Abba revival,
853
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:40,060
Agnetha and Frida
were nowhere to be seen.
854
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:44,780
The great Abba revival of the 1990s
came along
855
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:47,020
at the wrong time for Agnetha.
856
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:48,780
This was a very dark period,
857
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:51,180
probably the worst period
in her life.
858
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:58,540
# I was cheated by you
and I think you know when
859
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:04,500
# So I made up my mind
it must come to an end... #
860
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:09,220
The glitzy opening of the most
anticipated musical in decades,
861
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:11,740
Mamma Mia.
862
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:15,980
# I don't know how
But I suddenly lose control... #
863
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:20,500
An outright success for
songwriters Benny and Bjorn.
864
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:24,740
But that night, there were
two conspicuous absentees.
865
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:31,300
We don't know yet because
they haven't been here yet.
866
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:35,020
They should come because they are
as much a part of this as we are.
867
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:43,300
700 miles away in Switzerland,
868
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,860
Frida had found inner peace,
close to nature,
869
00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:49,980
with her beloved husband,
Prince Ruzzo,
870
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:52,980
and she was slowly
reconnecting with music.
871
00:49:58,060 --> 00:50:01,220
But on a dark winter's day
in 1998,
872
00:50:01,220 --> 00:50:03,300
her happiness was shattered
873
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:08,420
when she received the tragic news
no mother wants to hear.
874
00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:11,380
She lost her daughter
after a car accident,
875
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:14,860
which was a tragic event
which struck very hard.
876
00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:19,100
This tragedy left Frida
in a state of shock for many years,
877
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:22,500
as she revealed in this intimate
2016 interview.
878
00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:41,620
While dealing with
this unbearable grief,
879
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:44,660
a year later, tragedy struck again.
880
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:49,180
Her beloved husband Ruzzo
passed away at the age of 49,
881
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:51,580
leaving a huge void in her life,
882
00:50:51,580 --> 00:50:54,380
as she reflected
in the same interview.
883
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:13,620
Plunged into deep grief,
884
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:17,980
Frida once again stepped away
from music and public life.
885
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:28,900
In her island seclusion,
Agnetha was also deep in grief -
886
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:32,860
after the tragic loss of her mother,
who took her own life,
887
00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:35,500
and the death of her father
soon after.
888
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:40,020
This was a very dark period for her,
889
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:42,620
probably the worst period
in her life,
890
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:45,460
and she just needed
to be left alone.
891
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,500
She needed time to process
892
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:50,340
all of these traumatic things
that had happened to her.
893
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:51,900
But it made her vulnerable.
894
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,620
It made her vulnerable
to being targeted -
895
00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:59,220
not just physically and practically,
but also emotionally.
896
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:01,820
And someone did indeed
take advantage
897
00:52:01,820 --> 00:52:05,900
of Agnetha's
emotional vulnerability.
898
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:10,900
She had somehow become involved
with a crazed stalker fan
899
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:12,540
called Gert van de Graaf.
900
00:52:12,540 --> 00:52:16,780
He was a forklift driver,
he was Dutch,
901
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:21,140
he was obsessive,
he made no secret of it.
902
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:23,060
He found out where Agnetha lived,
903
00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:28,020
and eventually he bought
a ramshackle little wooden house
904
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:31,700
about a mile from Agnetha's house.
905
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:36,460
And every day he would
post a letter in her letterbox.
906
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:40,460
She had reached a point in her life
907
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:42,980
where I think
she was just very fragile,
908
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:46,540
and the idea that there was somebody
out there living close to her
909
00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:49,700
that was interested in her,
that wanted to get to know her,
910
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:53,620
I think she felt...
slightly worn down by him,
911
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:57,340
but was willing to see
why did he want to know her,
912
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,300
so she opened up her life to him.
913
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,460
And they had some kind
of twisted romance
914
00:53:03,460 --> 00:53:07,100
that she broke away from
after a short period of time,
915
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:10,900
but he continued to...
stalk and harass her
916
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:13,900
with thousands of phone calls
and letters.
917
00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:18,820
The media label her as a recluse.
918
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:20,740
What they didn't understand
919
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:23,900
was that she was too frightened
to leave her house.
920
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:28,380
After years of legal battles,
921
00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:31,340
Gert was eventually given
a restraining order
922
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:33,940
and was banned
from entering Sweden.
923
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:39,020
With Van der Graaf
safely out of the country
924
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:42,820
and keen to put the whole
distressing affair behind her,
925
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:46,700
Agnetha felt ready to return
to her true passion.
926
00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:53,100
Agnetha was free to rebuild
her fragile emotional health,
927
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,100
and one of the ways
she started to do that
928
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,140
was listening to music again,
929
00:53:57,140 --> 00:54:01,540
and it was the music that she had
fallen in love with as a teenager.
930
00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:05,060
It was the music of Connie Francis
and Dusty Springfield.
931
00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:07,420
And now, 40 years later,
932
00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:10,860
they inspired her
to be a singer again.
933
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:14,780
# And feed you winter fruits
and summer wine... #
934
00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:16,980
After 17 years of silence,
935
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:20,860
Agnetha returned to music
with a 1960s swagger
936
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:23,660
and this intimate version
of Cilla Black's
937
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:27,060
If I Thought
You'd Ever Change Your Mind.
938
00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:33,340
# I will bring you happiness
939
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:37,420
# Wrapped up in a box
and tied with a yellow bow... #
940
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:40,380
It was amazing
to see Agnetha coming back,
941
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:44,780
being able to re-present herself now
as a more mature woman.
942
00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:49,020
I'm a big admirer of her voice,
the way she sings.
943
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:53,820
I think she's one of the best
Swedish vocalists ever.
944
00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:57,860
Despite Agnetha keeping
public appearances to a minimum,
945
00:54:57,860 --> 00:55:03,540
fans and the media began speculating
about an Abba reunion.
946
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:06,020
If she's now interested
in making music again,
947
00:55:06,020 --> 00:55:07,660
is this going to be the key
948
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:10,740
that unlocks
the great Abba reunion?
949
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:14,140
But instead of a reunion,
950
00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:17,140
Benny and Bjorn preferred
to focus their efforts
951
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:21,060
on developing the hugely successful
Mamma Mia franchise
952
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:23,300
and took it to another level.
953
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:28,180
Well, my agent rang me up.
954
00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:30,500
I can remember
I was standing in the kitchen
955
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:33,900
and him saying, "They're going
to make a film of Mamma Mia."
956
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:37,580
And they said, "Would you like to be
Meryl Streep's friend in it?"
957
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:42,380
And I said, "Yes, of course I would,
I love that musical, yes!"
958
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:50,500
Based on the stage show,
the movie attracted a stellar cast.
959
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:53,220
Mamma Mia is pure escapism.
960
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:55,420
It's a vision of the world
961
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:57,940
where everyone is literally
singing and dancing all the time.
962
00:55:57,940 --> 00:56:00,580
When the cast met for the first time
963
00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:03,900
to record the soundtrack at
Air Studios in London,
964
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:08,220
they were faced with the musical
complexity of Abba songs.
965
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:09,900
It was a bit of a baptism of fire.
966
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:12,420
First of all, you meet Meryl Streep,
and I've never met her,
967
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:14,660
then you're taken through
and there are the Abba boys.
968
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:17,940
Benny's on the piano, he says,
"Let's sing Dancing Queen."
969
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:20,740
God, we've just got in, I've only
rehearsed a couple of days!
970
00:56:20,740 --> 00:56:23,500
So we're all around the piano
doing that but it was fine.
971
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:26,860
To ensure the Abba magic
was kept in the soundtrack,
972
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:30,100
Benny and Bjorn attended
most recording sessions
973
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:33,380
with their trusted sound engineer,
Bernard Lohr.
974
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:36,220
They are actors,
not professional singers,
975
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:41,020
so I had to work a little bit more
in editing and fixing.
976
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:44,420
They want it right.
977
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:47,060
It's their music, it's their baby,
isn't it?
978
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:49,900
So you felt a huge responsibility
as well,
979
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:52,500
much more responsibility
cos they were there.
980
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:56,420
But they gave me confidence -
not the opposite, you'd think...
981
00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:59,900
But they didn't, they certainly
gave me confidence, yeah.
982
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,620
The confidence instilled
in the actors shone through
983
00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:06,420
when Julie Walters, Meryl Streep
and Christine Baranski
984
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:11,180
performed this comedic take
on Dancing Queen.
985
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:14,900
# You are the dancing queen
986
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:19,620
# Young and sweet, only 17... #
987
00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:25,620
If bearing the weight
of Abba's musical legacy
988
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:30,300
wasn't daunting enough,
the actors also had to dance.
989
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,580
This proved a struggle
for the male leads.
990
00:57:34,860 --> 00:57:36,660
They're not great fans of it,
really,
991
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:38,420
the singing and dancing,
I don't think.
992
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:39,700
I can remember Colin's face,
993
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,260
you know, absolutely terrified
at the thought of this dancing.
994
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:44,500
# Take a chance on me... #
995
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,860
Julie Walters' dance skills
were also put to the test
996
00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:50,580
when she performed
Take A Chance On Me
997
00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:54,580
in front of the entire cast
in the film's wedding-party climax.
998
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:59,660
# If you're all alone
when the pretty birds have flown
999
00:57:59,660 --> 00:58:03,260
# Honey, I'm still free,
take a chance on me... #
1000
00:58:03,260 --> 00:58:06,460
The choreographer said to me,
"Do what you like down the table."
1001
00:58:06,460 --> 00:58:08,660
I said, "Oh, OK, then,"
so I didn't have to rehearse,
1002
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:10,820
I didn't want to rehearse it
in front of everybody,
1003
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:11,820
which was a big mistake.
1004
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:14,900
So come the day, all of the dancers
and people are there,
1005
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:17,860
all of the cast are down...
and I have to go down that table.
1006
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:19,740
I had a coughing fit
in sort of anxiety
1007
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:23,540
and had to have a brown paper bag...
like this!
1008
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:25,300
But it was great fun after that.
1009
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:28,580
# Take a chance on me
1010
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:32,780
# Take a chance on me... #
1011
00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:35,140
The songs just didn't get boring,
ever.
1012
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:38,380
When you're filming a scene,
they go on for days,
1013
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:40,180
and they still didn't get boring,
1014
00:58:40,180 --> 00:58:42,740
still made you want to,
"Yeah, here we come again!"
1015
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:45,820
Mamma Mia Was to become
1016
00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:49,900
one of the highest grossing
musical movies of all time.
1017
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:53,940
It's just a really intelligent,
huge move
1018
00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:56,580
for keeping that Abba legacy alive.
1019
00:58:56,580 --> 00:59:00,260
It's like a sort of cyclical thing
that can happen across the decades.
1020
00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:05,580
And when the film premiered
in Stockholm in July 2008,
1021
00:59:05,580 --> 00:59:08,620
Abba fans were in for a treat.
1022
00:59:08,620 --> 00:59:11,700
Bjorn...and Benny
1023
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:14,860
were joined for the first time
in 22 years
1024
00:59:14,860 --> 00:59:17,060
by Frida and Agnetha,
1025
00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:20,420
who'd stepped out of the shadows
to surprise the cast.
1026
00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:22,060
The photographers were screaming out
1027
00:59:22,060 --> 00:59:24,220
for them
just to be the four of them,
1028
00:59:24,220 --> 00:59:25,620
but they always refused,
1029
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:28,740
because they felt that if there was
a photograph of the four of them,
1030
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:31,500
that would be the photograph
that would be in the press
1031
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:34,940
and this wasn't about Abba,
this was about Mamma Mia.
1032
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:37,140
It may have been about Mamma Mia,
1033
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:40,540
but seeing them together
had fans starting to think
1034
00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:44,340
what was, until then,
the unthinkable.
1035
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:47,100
That whole kind of excitement
about the...
1036
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:51,900
"What if? Could it really happen?"
definitely came back in,
1037
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:55,020
and people started thinking,
"Well, you know, never say never.
1038
00:59:55,020 --> 00:59:57,230
"Keep our fingers crossed,
maybe it will."
1039
01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:02,900
London 2013.
1040
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:06,340
At the annual Children in Need Rocks
charity event,
1041
01:00:06,340 --> 01:00:11,540
Gary Barlow performs a duet
that drives Abba fans into a frenzy.
1042
01:00:11,540 --> 01:00:16,380
This young lady's not been on stage
for over 25 years.
1043
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:19,900
Gary Barlow had pulled off
the impossible
1044
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:22,900
as he coaxed an anxious Agnetha
back on stage
1045
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:26,580
for this powerful performance of
I Should Have Followed You Home.
1046
01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:33,220
# I can't believe it's really you
1047
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:41,500
# You still look
the way you used to... #
1048
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:44,620
It's obvious
that Agnetha is nervous.
1049
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:48,060
She's looking at Gary Barlow
for reassurance,
1050
01:00:48,060 --> 01:00:52,260
and then that stone-cold
professionalism kicks in.
1051
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:54,500
Her voice is amazing.
1052
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:56,780
It's like listening to
running silver.
1053
01:00:56,780 --> 01:01:01,740
# Maybe if you want to
1054
01:01:01,740 --> 01:01:06,340
# I'll see you soon again... #
1055
01:01:06,340 --> 01:01:08,700
Knowing what she's been through,
1056
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:12,380
I think a lot of fans
just want her to be happy,
1057
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:14,980
and seeing her on stage again,
1058
01:01:14,980 --> 01:01:17,100
she genuinely seemed happy.
1059
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:21,460
I'm so glad to be here tonight.
1060
01:01:21,460 --> 01:01:23,740
Thank you, Gary.
CHEERING
1061
01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:26,180
Thank you, everyone.
1062
01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:28,900
Her confidence now growing,
1063
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:32,580
Agnetha embraced the Mamma Mia
musical phenomenon
1064
01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:35,620
and started attending
promotional events.
1065
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:38,060
In coming back out into public life,
1066
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:41,380
Agnetha is leaving the door open
for the Abba reunion.
1067
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:45,020
Because let's not forget,
they never broke up.
1068
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:47,180
You know, putting something
on standby
1069
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:49,020
is not the same as unplugging it.
1070
01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:52,340
A couple of years later,
at a private event,
1071
01:01:52,340 --> 01:01:57,300
Agnetha went back on stage,
this time with Frida.
1072
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,260
And that night the two of them
1073
01:01:59,260 --> 01:02:02,260
truly brought the dream
of an Abba reunion
1074
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:03,820
one step closer.
1075
01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:08,020
We would love to dedicate
this song to you
1076
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:11,620
from us, Agnetha and myself.
1077
01:02:11,620 --> 01:02:17,060
2016 was the 50th anniversary
of the day that Benny and Bjorn met.
1078
01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:19,380
Agnetha and Frida, naturally,
were invited,
1079
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:21,060
but what we didn't think happen
1080
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:23,460
was that they would get on stage
and sing a song.
1081
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:27,660
# We can face it together
1082
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:34,540
# The way old friends do... #
1083
01:02:34,540 --> 01:02:37,380
The only record
of that special moment
1084
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:40,940
is this mobile-phone footage
of Frida and Agnetha
1085
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:45,860
reunited in song for the first time
in over 30 years.
1086
01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:51,220
# The way old friends do... #
1087
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:54,140
It was totally right
that they were on stage.
1088
01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:56,500
that was great, and also the fact
1089
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,140
that they were singing
The Way Old Friends Do,
1090
01:02:59,140 --> 01:03:01,980
because that's what it is -
they are old friends.
1091
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:06,860
# The way old friends do... #
1092
01:03:06,860 --> 01:03:09,540
With friendships rekindled,
1093
01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:12,820
in 2018, it finally happened.
1094
01:03:12,820 --> 01:03:15,700
Abba announced they were
getting back together
1095
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:17,500
for a very special show.
1096
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:19,260
When the news came out,
1097
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:21,620
everyone just had
this sort of frisson of excitement
1098
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:24,140
thinking, "Does this mean
they're going to tour again?
1099
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:26,340
"Is there an album?
What's going to be happening?"
1100
01:03:26,340 --> 01:03:30,620
But it wasn't the return
that everyone was expecting.
1101
01:03:30,620 --> 01:03:32,980
I have a vision of the future.
1102
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:36,500
And in that future,
1103
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:39,780
Abba were to return
not as themselves -
1104
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:42,100
but as Abbatars.
1105
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:45,340
Using motion-capture technology,
1106
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:49,380
an extraordinary series of concerts
were to see Abba return
1107
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:55,900
as digitally animated characters
based on their 1979 younger selves.
1108
01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:58,460
It's something in their make-up
and their psyche
1109
01:03:58,460 --> 01:04:00,860
that they're always kind of
ahead of the game,
1110
01:04:00,860 --> 01:04:03,060
and nobody else has done this,
1111
01:04:03,060 --> 01:04:05,820
have they, before, a virtual tour?
Brilliant.
1112
01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:09,300
And for Abba fans,
1113
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:12,300
the dream was about to get
even better.
1114
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:15,460
Whilst working on
the Abbatar project,
1115
01:04:15,460 --> 01:04:19,820
the urge to make new music
became irresistible.
1116
01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:22,740
For the first time
in almost four decades,
1117
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:26,660
Abba recorded a new song
behind closed doors.
1118
01:04:26,660 --> 01:04:30,660
I think they kept it a secret
to see if it will work.
1119
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:35,380
I mean, to come back after 40 years,
it gives you insecurity maybe.
1120
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:37,740
Is this the right thing?
1121
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:41,260
But to hear the voices of
Frida and Agnetha is fantastic.
1122
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:46,380
# I still have faith in you
1123
01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:49,100
# I see it now... #
1124
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:52,500
You couldn't have chosen
a more perfect Abba comeback song
1125
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:54,900
than I Still Have Faith In You.
1126
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:57,220
It's like a love song to themselves
1127
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:59,660
and to history and to time.
1128
01:04:59,660 --> 01:05:03,860
# There was a union... #
1129
01:05:03,860 --> 01:05:07,100
I see a sense of reconciliation
1130
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:10,900
and an increased comfort
between the members of the band.
1131
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:13,980
That song, to me,
was a beautiful story
1132
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:16,860
of how they can look back
at all their memories
1133
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:19,260
that they have shared
and experienced
1134
01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:23,020
and still be excited to create more.
1135
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:24,700
I think that's very inspiring.
1136
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:30,020
# I still have faith in you... #
1137
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:33,860
Since going their separate ways
40 years ago,
1138
01:05:33,860 --> 01:05:36,980
the four members of Abba
have experienced
1139
01:05:36,980 --> 01:05:43,100
a roller-coaster of triumphs,
adversity and tragedy.
1140
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:46,820
They went through pain and trials
and tribulations and suffering,
1141
01:05:46,820 --> 01:05:48,780
and yet they're still friends.
1142
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:52,660
And underpinning
those four tumultuous decades
1143
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:58,700
is a musical legacy that has grown
beyond all expectations.
1144
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:01,860
My God, that is
an incredible tribute.
1145
01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:04,380
Incredible to think
that somebody's had the career,
1146
01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:08,660
and here we are 40 years later,
and it's still as prevalent.
1147
01:06:08,660 --> 01:06:11,780
I don't know what kind of artist
I would have been,
1148
01:06:11,780 --> 01:06:14,060
or if I even would have
been here right now,
1149
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:15,260
if it wasn't for Abba.
1150
01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:17,260
It's a gift, they've got the gift.
1151
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:24,900
It kind of goes on and on and on,
it gets to people.
1152
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:27,700
It's magic.
95976
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