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- A mix tape to me is an invitation
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to enter into someone else's world.
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- A mix tape is a set of
songs that are designed
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to evoke a specific set of
emotions or a mood or feeling,
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or something you're trying to say.
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They're basically a letter from
yourself to another person.
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A mix tape is utilizing the
finite amount of minutes
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to define a musical,
emotional environment,
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where you can put it on
and go through your past,
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your future, your present, in a way that
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is emotionally poignant.
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- A mix tape is an instrument that you use
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to show someone your coolness,
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and the cool things and
culture that you like.
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And you put them all together
on one cassette like,
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your whole collection of coolness.
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- Because of that, it's
incredibly intimate.
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When you know someone well
enough to give them a mix,
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it's almost like knowing
someone well enough
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to say I love you.
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You're running that risk of rejection.
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- I totally edited the mixes
that people gave to me,
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because no one does it better than me.
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(laughs)
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- A mix tape is the gateway
to the entrance of your soul.
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It's either like you're allowed
in or you're fucking denied.
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(laughs)
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- You have to make great mix
tapes if you're a music lover.
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It's just a part of, you
don't have to be a musician.
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You just have to love music.
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And that first track is so imperative.
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- It's really about knowing
what songs sync together,
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what songs blend together,
and having, like,
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creating a feeling, and
taking people on a journey.
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- A mix tape is a traveling sound collage.
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A full-circle experience.
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- The entire day, spread out musically.
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And if it's done properly,
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you're gonna have the best
fucking day of your life.
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- A mix tape, to me, is
an expression of songs.
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- An expression of yourself.
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- A communication of some feelings.
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- Holds the key to your
whole soul and being.
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- Where I've been and where I am now.
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- It's an incantation.
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It's an invitation.
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- It's a perfectly captured moment.
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- You make it with great affection.
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It takes time.
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I put it in the tape deck, I'm like damn!
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My hair stands up.
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I get all gooey inside.
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- A mix tape is an opportunity to express
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through the collage of
different artists, a story.
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(upbeat music)
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(upbeat rock music)
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- Hazel was interested in
getting a record player
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for a little while.
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And so I was researching online
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and I found this record player that also
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had a tape player built in.
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I was like, well that's gotta
be the one we're gonna get.
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Got her a Beach House
record, Death Cab record,
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stuff like that.
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And then I was like, oh wait,
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I think I've got that box
of tapes in the garage.
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So I went and grabbed
this box of tapes here.
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And it's mostly mix tapes,
including the mix tape
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that I made for your mother
when we first started dating.
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And so we just kind of sat on the floor
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and listened to a bunch of these tapes.
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So you take the tape,
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that's got to be on the left
hand side, put it in here,
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turn this on.
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We need to plug it in.
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(both laughing)
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That's an important part.
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- [Hazel] Yeah, that might
affect it a little bit.
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- [Robert] What was the
first musical format
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that you listened to?
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Like, did you buy CDs or
was it just digital music?
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- No, I think I had, like, a CD player.
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I'm sure it was pink or Hello
Kitty, or something like that.
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- Something, yeah.
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- And yeah, I think I
listened to some CDs.
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I remember listening to
Phoenix, "Listzomania."
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I have like really
distinct memories of that.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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- On CD?
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- I think so.
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- Did we have that CD?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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I remember putting it in, and like-
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- It was probably a CD-R.
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Do you know what a CD-R is?
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- No.
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- Should we talk about that?
- This is a good start.
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- All right, yeah, all right.
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(upbeat music)
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- Well, the first thing
we had was 8-tracks.
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We started out with a
massive amount of 8-tracks,
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and then my uncle had an
8-track player in his car,
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so that was a big deal.
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It was like whenever anybody
got to drive that car
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with the 8-track player in it,
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they always went crazy over the 8-tracks.
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- I hated 8-track right away
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because it would break
up one song on the side.
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It would go,
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it would be like la la la la la kkk-chunk,
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then it would be la la la la la.
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That's not nice.
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They should never have done that.
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- Vinyl was a big part of it,
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because the record
collections were all vinyl.
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So it was like, going
through those and looking
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at the album covers.
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A lot of albums I know
I knew as a kid and knew
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of them just because of the covers
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had really dope artwork on them.
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Or, you know, something on
the cover that stood out.
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- With my mom in Brookline,
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I remember not necessarily
what records she'd have on,
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but I remember looking
at her record collection
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while she was gone, and picking from that
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and seeing the record to
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the Joe Cocker record,
with his crazy face.
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His like ahh face.
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- If you were just looking at album covers
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and being like, Who is this girl
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with all this crazy makeup on?
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And then you get home
and it's like Nina Hagen,
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and you're like, This is
different, you know what I mean?
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(singing in foreign language)
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- I definitely remember falling in love
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with a lot of imagery,
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a lot of album covers.
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And I felt like it deepened
the listening experience.
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The earliest thing that I can remember,
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insofar is developing a
relationship with music
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or falling in love with music really comes
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from my memories of sharing
time with my father.
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Listening to him spin records.
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It was never a conscious
thing that we did.
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It just seemed like that
was always the fallback.
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- My mother was incredibly
eclectic with music.
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She has, in my opinion,
pitch perfect taste in music.
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While I don't have every record she had,
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20 Barbara Streisand
records I can live without.
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However, she raised me,
Miles Davis, Bartok,
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Broadway show tunes, Jimi
Hendrix, The Beatles,
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Bob Dylan, both Guthries, Pete Seeger,
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and on and on, and on.
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- When I really got,
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I was old enough to get my own,
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it was like a my first Sony type thing.
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It had a cassette player.
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It was portable.
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Red with like big green and blue buttons,
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probably for a little kid.
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And I remember my mom allowing
me to purchase "Purple Rain."
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(laughing)
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Which I used to know all
the words to "Purple Rain",
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and I had no idea.
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Like, "Darling Nikki", right over my head.
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♪ You could say she was a sex fiend ♪
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- The very, very, very
first record that I bought
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was actually "Hang on
Sloopy" by Jan and Dean,
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because I thought that they
were singing Hang on Snoopy.
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And I was a big Snoopy fan.
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♪ Hanging round the water
fountain, playing the fool ♪
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- My idea with the mix
tape was putting a record
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on the stereo, holding the
single speaker cassette deck
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with a condenser mic to the
speaker and being real quiet,
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and recording the song.
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- You'd like listen late
night, off the radio.
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And at the time, like with the radio shit,
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it's not like your CDs or
your records where it records
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at a certain level.
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Like, however loud you got the radio,
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that's how loud it's gonna record.
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- Everybody would sit
there with their finger
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on the pause button,
waiting for it to come on
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and as soon as that show
started on the radio,
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you would record it.
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And then if you had a
dual cassette recorder,
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you could dub that cassette
and then give it to one
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of your friends.
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- There just wasn't a
lot of money to go around
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and to buy records, and
the way that my friends
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and I discovered new
music was specifically
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through creating tapes.
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You didn't let your records go out.
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You made a tape.
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- I took over one of my parents' cars
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and it had a cassette player in it,
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and what I wanted was to be
able to play whatever I wanted.
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And I never really liked a
whole album all the way through.
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I always liked only certain songs.
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- The mix tape was kind
of like the equivalent
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of your first bike.
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Because it was like the first moment
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where musical freedom was given to you.
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- Let's put Iggy Pop with Guy Lombardo.
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Or, I don't know, you
could just do anything.
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You could make a tape
and that was, you know,
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you were expressing who you were.
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- The thing is that people
don't realize between vinyl
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and tape is the vinyl is
already the classic record.
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That Bowie record is a classic record.
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The Metallica record is a classic record
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and it's the mix tape is really a view
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into what you like and who you are,
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and how all these things relate to you.
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- I really wanna tap into
my inner feelings the most,
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and look at it as a journal,
like a diary entry as well.
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This is what I'm feeling.
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This is where I've been, and
I'm sharing that in this mix.
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- I like being able to
take all of these artists
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that you would never
think would go together
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and put them together,
because it's about the groove.
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It's not about the genre to me.
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- You know, mix tapes are
giving people a chance
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to really remix the culture
in a weird way, you know?
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- One of the earliest memories
I have of sharing music
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for people was when a lot
of sort of more salacious
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and underground rap and
hip-hop music came around.
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It was a lot of music you
didn't want your parents
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to know you were listening to,
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because they positively
couldn't understand it
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and it was ushering you
into a world that you
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had absolutely no frame of reference for.
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- Like I see this one guy,
he lives in the suburbs
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but there's all these bands
he doesn't know about,
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and he's gotta hear
them because these bands
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are gonna save his life.
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So he's gotta get a cassette of it.
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And I'm gonna sit up all
night and make this cassette
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for him to make this C60 TDK.
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It's gonna save his life.
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(upbeat music)
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- [Robert] All right, so
what's our first step?
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- I'll look through my dad's music.
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So I'm picking some rockin' songs to show
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that I have a rockin' dad.
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- So, is there anything that stands out
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from what you've looked at so far?
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- I've seeing a lot of
My Bloody Valentine.
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I mean, there's so many to look through.
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So the first one's gotta be good.
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That's a lot of pressure.
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So some of these don't even
have like words on them.
253
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So, I don't know.
254
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I don't know what that is.
255
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I know "Bizarre Love Triangle."
256
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- Okay.
- I like that one.
257
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"Swap meet."
258
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"Fake Empire."
259
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We definitely care about U2.
260
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Something from The Joshua Tree.
261
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- Gonna put "Live Forever."
- All right.
262
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Definitely something from here.
263
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He loves "Rushmore."
264
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I have a Beach House CD.
265
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The Beatles.
266
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I'm not sure if I should
do "Help," or "Let it Be."
267
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Is it against the rules to put
two songs by the same band in
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"Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying."
269
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"Arcade Fire."
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Definitely is gonna go in there.
271
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- Okay.
272
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(upbeat music)
273
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- My early days of making a mix tape.
274
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This is back when I had this many records
275
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and this many cassettes.
276
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You have less of everything.
277
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So everything is of greater importance.
278
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I'm going to take the
entire weekend and I'm going
279
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to take this blank 90-minute tape,
280
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that cost me about an
hour's pay, and I'm going
281
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to make a beautiful environment of music.
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90 perfect minutes.
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A sonic environment that
you can live in and enjoy.
284
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- You'd get a 90-minute cassette.
285
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You know, a Maxell Type II, of course.
286
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You can't do anything with Type I.
287
00:14:03,650 --> 00:14:04,483
What's Type I?
288
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It's gotta be Type II.
289
00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:08,740
- My go-to mix tape were these,
290
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these blank Maxells, XL IIs.
291
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The 100-minute version,
292
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just because I could fit a
little more music on there.
293
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- Never used the 120s, because the quality
294
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is a little bit shitty.
295
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But 90s.
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An XL II 90.
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- I think whichever one
was on sale, to be honest
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with you, man.
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Like whichever I could buy a bundle
300
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of three or five pack bundle.
301
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- I would buy them in
packs of five, right.
302
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You'd buy the five pack.
303
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for, I don't know, $10
or whatever they were.
304
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And they were the gold ones.
305
00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:41,200
- Now I didn't know what was the best.
306
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,550
It just had gold on it.
307
00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:45,330
- It's gold, and so it must be good!
308
00:14:45,330 --> 00:14:47,773
- You pulled that Maxell
Gold out, people knew.
309
00:14:47,773 --> 00:14:49,630
They's like, oh man he's
pulling out the heat.
310
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He's got the heat on that one.
311
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- I don't even know what Type II means.
312
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I have no idea.
313
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I just assume it's better than Type I.
314
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Like Type I is junior.
315
00:14:57,580 --> 00:15:00,720
Or like Type I is like
the entry-level or novice,
316
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and Type II must be like expert.
317
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So I just, you know.
318
00:15:04,865 --> 00:15:06,500
Will we ever solve the mystery?
319
00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:07,333
What's Type II?
320
00:15:07,333 --> 00:15:08,271
I have no idea.
321
00:15:08,271 --> 00:15:09,330
- I'm trying to remember all the brands.
322
00:15:09,330 --> 00:15:12,523
It was like Maxell, Sony, Memorex.
323
00:15:13,877 --> 00:15:15,220
And then the Memorex
commercial where the guy,
324
00:15:15,220 --> 00:15:16,960
was it Memorex or Maxell
where the guy's sitting
325
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in the chair and the wind's blowing?
326
00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:19,770
And we all like, yeah we're going
327
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to get those because that's good sound.
328
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:22,420
- I would never use Memorex,
329
00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,194
even though the commercial is amazing.
330
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(grand orchestral music)
331
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I always get drop-outs.
332
00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,140
And someone once told
me, you're just magnetic.
333
00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:37,250
And I just said that's bullshit.
334
00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:38,950
No, I'm not magnetic.
335
00:15:38,950 --> 00:15:40,390
These are shitty tapes.
336
00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:43,030
- Memorex did this dicky
thing during the '80s
337
00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:44,900
where they had the one that
had like pink triangles
338
00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:45,733
and shit on it.
339
00:15:45,733 --> 00:15:46,920
It looked like a fucking explosion
340
00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,920
in a "Miami Vice" episode.
341
00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:49,930
It was that thing.
342
00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:52,440
Anytime I saw one of
those, I was like I judged.
343
00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,970
I was like, oh you ghetto mix-tape maker.
344
00:15:54,970 --> 00:15:58,860
- When I joined the
band Black Flag in 1981,
345
00:15:58,860 --> 00:16:03,000
I became influenced by
the great producer Spot.
346
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,000
Spot was a TDK man from day one.
347
00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:11,840
And I bought TDK cassettes
because he worked
348
00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,350
with them in the studio and
he said, they're reliable.
349
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:18,010
Batch after batch,
that's my go to cassette.
350
00:16:18,010 --> 00:16:19,310
And so I became a TDK guy.
351
00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:20,820
- This is so fucking nerdy,
352
00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:25,820
but I remember the box itself
was kind of almost curved.
353
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:31,100
Where the spine had a
little tiny curve to it.
354
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:33,140
So it kind of felt tactile.
355
00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:36,010
Like in your hand, it felt
substantial and the weight
356
00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:36,843
was beautiful.
357
00:16:36,843 --> 00:16:39,710
I think I actually have
a couple like still in,
358
00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:40,543
I think I might,
359
00:16:40,543 --> 00:16:41,376
I have them somewhere here.
360
00:16:41,376 --> 00:16:42,470
I have them in the,
361
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:44,410
I still have them in the packaging,
362
00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:47,100
virgin untainted, never been recorded on.
363
00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,900
- There was high bias and
like all these weird codes,
364
00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,930
what made it sound like
you were getting something,
365
00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:53,880
this is gonna sound good.
366
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,479
It all just sounded like the same tape!
367
00:16:55,479 --> 00:16:56,970
It didn't necessarily sound any better.
368
00:16:56,970 --> 00:16:58,386
It's a fucking cassette.
369
00:16:58,386 --> 00:17:00,870
It's magnetic tape, it's gonna wear out,
370
00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:02,267
so it was always weird
to me that they always
371
00:17:02,267 --> 00:17:05,650
had these BSAFF and LX.
372
00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:06,670
So buy this tape.
373
00:17:06,670 --> 00:17:09,040
It's the best, Memorex,
it's gonna blow your mind.
374
00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,533
I was like, mmmm, I still hear a hiss.
375
00:17:11,533 --> 00:17:14,116
(upbeat music)
376
00:17:16,310 --> 00:17:19,390
- There was a 45 a single that
came out in the summer of,
377
00:17:19,390 --> 00:17:24,090
I think, 1975 or '76 called Mr. Jaws.
378
00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:27,540
It would play clips of
songs as the answers
379
00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:29,520
to interview questions.
380
00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,900
- [Reporter] We are here on
the beach where a giant shark
381
00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:33,840
has just eaten a girl swimmer.
382
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,020
Well, Mr. Jaws, how was it?
383
00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:37,700
- [Man] Dy-no-mite!
384
00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:40,153
- [Reporter] And what did
she say when you grabbed her?
385
00:17:40,153 --> 00:17:42,500
♪ Please, mister, please ♪
386
00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,230
- So I started doing that as a kid.
387
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:48,340
I would I didn't make a
mix tape full of songs.
388
00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:51,130
I made a mix tape of lines from songs.
389
00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:53,440
- Basically like the mix tape started out
390
00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,680
as something specifically put
together as a presentation
391
00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,160
of music, but like not necessarily
392
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,190
as one flowing mix of music.
393
00:18:02,190 --> 00:18:03,950
A perfect example of
what I'm trying to say
394
00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,600
is like DJ Crazy Toones.
395
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,750
DJ Crazy Toones, his mix
tapes are like movies.
396
00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:13,120
So it's like you start
out with an explosion.
397
00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:15,910
- There was a lot of different acapellas
398
00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:18,470
that DJs used to start off a mix.
399
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:20,880
So you knew who they were
as soon as they started off.
400
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,880
Like, there used to be
this Tarzan sound effect
401
00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:29,479
that Farley would play on the radio.
402
00:18:29,479 --> 00:18:32,312
(Tarzan shouting)
403
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:36,800
And you would be like, oh that's Farley.
404
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,010
- The first shit I really started
getting was from New York.
405
00:18:39,010 --> 00:18:40,450
You'd get these DJs from New York
406
00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:42,170
and they'd drop these like mix tapes
407
00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:44,770
with exclusive freestyles over samples
408
00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:46,450
that hadn't been cleared yet or busting
409
00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:48,110
over someone else's beat.
410
00:18:48,110 --> 00:18:50,760
And those were the ones I really, like,
411
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,840
that shit really took off.
412
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,590
- Then we started making these
things called pause mixes.
413
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:58,830
Everybody that was a kid in the '80s,
414
00:18:58,830 --> 00:19:03,010
or mid to about '85, '86, is
familiar with the pause mix.
415
00:19:03,010 --> 00:19:04,801
Basically, you take
all your favorite songs
416
00:19:04,801 --> 00:19:07,930
and you pause them at certain
points and then you throw in
417
00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:09,760
another song, but you
had to throw it in right
418
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,730
on beat so that it would continue
and make a continuous mix.
419
00:19:12,730 --> 00:19:15,171
- Some tape decks had a harder pause,
420
00:19:15,171 --> 00:19:20,040
so when you let it go it
automatically started recording.
421
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,700
Some of them had slower pauses
so you couldn't really do it,
422
00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:23,890
so there'd be a little lag.
423
00:19:23,890 --> 00:19:26,560
- The number one thing you liked
about the cassette machine,
424
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,210
not necessarily the
Walkman, but the machine
425
00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:31,070
was that goddamn pause button was so tight
426
00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:33,420
that you would not make
mix tapes the way that,
427
00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:34,253
let's say, a love mix tape is.
428
00:19:34,253 --> 00:19:37,070
Which is like here's this
song, it goes into this song,
429
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:39,130
it goes into this song, and
then here's a full song.
430
00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:40,740
You would make it where it would be like,
431
00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:43,060
I'm gonna take this verse
and then I'm gonna put it
432
00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:44,480
into the bridge of this song,
433
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,610
then I'm gonna take this song
434
00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:46,620
and that's gonna be the chorus.
435
00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:49,340
And you would just hit that
pause button and you were able
436
00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:51,730
to splice together everything you wanted.
437
00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:55,820
- If you wanted to do it like seamless,
438
00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:58,870
you needed to have a mixer.
439
00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:03,240
And I have this, I had this old
Radio Shack 4-channel mixer.
440
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,140
I think I have it back here somewhere.
441
00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:07,652
Yeah, I'm gonna go,
442
00:20:07,652 --> 00:20:09,013
hang on one second.
443
00:20:10,285 --> 00:20:12,660
Yeah, so this is what I had.
444
00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:14,570
This thing right here.
445
00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:16,073
This was the mixer I had.
446
00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:19,670
Left and right and then left and right,
447
00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:22,670
so you'd put one cassette
there and one cassette there
448
00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:24,150
and there was the output.
449
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:26,200
And then there was another cassette player
450
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,170
recording both of those.
451
00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:31,430
Either it was a turntable
or another cassette player.
452
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:36,430
So this is my cool little
Radio Shack Realistic mixer
453
00:20:36,490 --> 00:20:37,333
that I used.
454
00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:44,610
I was a little, I was a
perfectionist about it,
455
00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:47,963
so my mix tapes were fucking good.
456
00:20:49,056 --> 00:20:51,973
(tapes scratching)
457
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:57,050
- So that's how you'd check
to get your first beat,
458
00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:58,760
when you're doing your blend.
459
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,145
Get it right there on the blend and...
460
00:21:01,145 --> 00:21:03,728
(upbeat music)
461
00:21:06,250 --> 00:21:07,083
- We'd take a week
462
00:21:07,083 --> 00:21:08,630
and make a whole tape and then give them
463
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:10,626
to somebody else and trade them all out.
464
00:21:10,626 --> 00:21:12,137
Every week it would be like,
465
00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:13,430
let me hear what you made this week,
466
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:14,740
let me hear what you made this week.
467
00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:16,970
- Pretty much mix tapes are
either to make you look cool,
468
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:18,894
if you're going to blast them, love,
469
00:21:18,894 --> 00:21:21,030
or you're trying to turn
someone on to something.
470
00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:23,083
- It doesn't even involve me.
471
00:21:26,284 --> 00:21:27,760
It just involves what I love.
472
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,640
And I think that's all I'm really trying
473
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,990
to do with my music, is to
show people what I love.
474
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:33,840
Not because they need to love
it, or it's important to them,
475
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,990
but because it's that five-year-old thing
476
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:38,253
of look what I made, and,
477
00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:43,423
I think probably mix tapes are,
478
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,310
I think they're one
479
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:51,570
of the last ways we really
let ourselves do that
480
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,950
before we become adults
481
00:21:53,950 --> 00:21:55,640
and don't do things like that anymore.
482
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,890
- I think the first mix tapes
483
00:21:56,890 --> 00:22:01,350
that I ever made were on a
dual deck cassette player.
484
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:05,540
And I definitely remember
how much labor went
485
00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:07,720
into making these mixes.
486
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,610
- And then I got one
with a CD player on top,
487
00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:13,930
back when CDs were like $45 a piece.
488
00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:17,430
And so you would have
the CD player on top,
489
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:20,450
cassette tape there, so then
the whole world was my oyster.
490
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:22,970
- You have to figure out
first what was the purpose
491
00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:23,880
of the tape?
492
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,920
Was it to inspire emotion?
493
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,920
Was it to turn somebody on to new stuff?
494
00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:33,950
Was it both?
495
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:35,300
- It just depends what
you're trying to say.
496
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:36,770
Because that's what mix tapes were.
497
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:39,130
They were letters to somebody, you know?
498
00:22:39,130 --> 00:22:41,470
- [Robert] Okay, so what we're gonna do,
499
00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:42,320
before you figure out
500
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,930
what order you want everything to be is,
501
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:45,280
is we're gonna write all the songs.
502
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,010
And then we're gonna look at it
503
00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:48,580
and figure out what
order they should go in.
504
00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:50,600
And so we'll start with CD's.
505
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240
We have The Cure.
506
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,527
The song is "Push."
507
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:56,910
And then New Order.
508
00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:59,670
I believe you wanted
"Bizarre Love Triangle."
509
00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:01,697
- Mm-hmm.
- Belle and Sebastian.
510
00:23:01,697 --> 00:23:04,447
- "Get Me Away from Here, I'm Dying."
511
00:23:04,447 --> 00:23:05,620
"Help!"
512
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:07,093
The Beatles, again.
513
00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:09,687
- "Let it Be", correct?
- Yes.
514
00:23:11,530 --> 00:23:13,077
- Peter Bjorn and John.
515
00:23:13,077 --> 00:23:14,287
"Amsterdam."
516
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,547
Let's do "I Still Haven't
Found What I'm Looking For."
517
00:23:20,597 --> 00:23:22,190
"Fake Empire."
518
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:24,178
- [Robert] First Nirvana.
519
00:23:24,178 --> 00:23:26,240
I believe you wanted "Swap Meet."
520
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,096
All right, one of your personal favorites.
521
00:23:28,096 --> 00:23:30,368
- Mazzy Star.
- You got that on vinyl.
522
00:23:30,368 --> 00:23:33,090
- It's gonna be an
interesting mix of songs.
523
00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,210
- The first track on your mix tape
524
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:39,670
is the most important thing
ever that you'll ever do
525
00:23:39,670 --> 00:23:41,950
if you decide that you
want to make a mix tape.
526
00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:42,937
- Yeah, it's very important.
527
00:23:42,937 --> 00:23:44,900
You've got to grab the
person's attention immediately.
528
00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:46,453
And I have to grab my own first.
529
00:23:46,453 --> 00:23:47,907
Like, I have to be really into it.
530
00:23:47,907 --> 00:23:50,960
It has to start from
there or else it's kinda,
531
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,793
it's not gonna flow.
532
00:23:51,793 --> 00:23:56,440
- It doesn't matter if
you are a DJ, in a band,
533
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,840
doing a playlist, doing a mix tape.
534
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,610
The first song is what sets
the tone for what is to come.
535
00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:06,810
So when I DJ now, I always play "Gay Bar"
536
00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:08,465
by The Electric Six.
537
00:24:08,465 --> 00:24:11,730
♪ Gay bar, gay bar, gay bar ♪
538
00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:14,540
- It really has to
jumpstart that mix tape.
539
00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:19,540
And if you fail at that, you
will forever be a lost soul
540
00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:21,630
in the mix tape world.
541
00:24:21,630 --> 00:24:23,063
- I saw it as a whole.
542
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,090
The first track was important,
543
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:28,370
but I think so is the
second, so is the third.
544
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:31,770
- You have to have a dynamic.
545
00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,730
It can't just be this static line.
546
00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:35,860
So, you know, it could be a pop song,
547
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:37,830
and then a really hot rock song,
548
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:39,960
and then a slow ballad,
and then like repeat.
549
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,590
- A lot of the process was
what kind of feeling you wanted
550
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:45,630
to convey, what kind of
emotion you wanted to convey,
551
00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:48,200
or a storyline you wanted to establish.
552
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,200
And so much of that was
done with, you know, key.
553
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,070
I know your people who are
watching this aren't going
554
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:57,590
to be musicians, but I think
555
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:59,790
that I always had a
natural instinct for how
556
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,407
to tell a story through different songs,
557
00:25:02,407 --> 00:25:05,940
and the placement of key in
ascending and descending.
558
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:09,898
What instruments started
off, what instruments ended.
559
00:25:09,898 --> 00:25:11,207
- I remember I did
560
00:25:11,207 --> 00:25:14,840
"Can't You Hear Me Knocking"
into "Everybody Wants Some."
561
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,817
And so there's this
saxophone kind of drum outro
562
00:25:16,817 --> 00:25:20,540
to "Can't You Hear Me Knocking"
and then this drum intro
563
00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:22,290
to "Everybody Wants Some", and it just,
564
00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:24,250
I was so proud of how it sounded.
565
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:27,350
- I don't know if this is
an experience for others,
566
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:30,746
but there's songs that I
describe like that song
567
00:25:30,746 --> 00:25:34,140
sounds like what it feels like to be me.
568
00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:37,570
- If you listen to a lot
of my early mix tapes,
569
00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:41,170
Devo and Buzzcocks feature prominently.
570
00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:44,790
Also a song called "Life
of Crime" by The Weirdos.
571
00:25:44,790 --> 00:25:48,810
To this day, I hear it
and go, man, I'm jealous.
572
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:51,800
I never did anything nearly that good.
573
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,400
- Every mix tape I ever made
574
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,128
had "Charlotte Sometimes" by The Cure.
575
00:25:58,128 --> 00:26:00,500
It was non-negotiable.
576
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,797
- New order, "Bizarre Love Triangle",
577
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,130
The Smiths, "Unlovable",
578
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:11,033
and I would also have to say,
579
00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:16,340
Pet Shop Boys, "West End Girls."
580
00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:18,680
- PJ Harvey, The Fall, Can.
581
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,990
- Fela Kuti would be
one, Fela and Roy Ayers.
582
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:24,705
- I guess I would say that
if I had to put one song
583
00:26:24,705 --> 00:26:28,463
on every high school mix tape I ever made,
584
00:26:28,463 --> 00:26:31,284
it's was probably "Let's
Go Crazy" by Prince.
585
00:26:31,284 --> 00:26:33,750
(laughs)
586
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:34,794
'Cause the beginning is like,
587
00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:36,287
(vocalizing)
588
00:26:36,287 --> 00:26:38,800
"Dearly beloved, we
are gathered here today
589
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,420
to get through this thing called life."
590
00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,230
Anything that starts like
that, you should listen
591
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:45,063
to that man.
592
00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:45,980
(laughs)
593
00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:48,733
- I would often include the X-Ray Spex.
594
00:26:49,660 --> 00:26:51,520
It would usually be right in the middle,
595
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,593
where it would surprise people.
596
00:26:58,027 --> 00:26:59,610
Like, "Oh Bondage! Up Yours!",
597
00:26:59,610 --> 00:27:01,510
of course, famously.
598
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:03,920
- I would make something so I
could listen to it in the car,
599
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,800
and cruise around, and
surprise people, like,
600
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,510
you'll never guess what's coming next.
601
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:10,390
And the process was always that.
602
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:11,630
It was always, like,
603
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:16,630
trying to do radical
left-turns genre every time.
604
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,150
- There's songs that
shouldn't be on mix tapes.
605
00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:25,150
And I don't know what all of them are.
606
00:27:25,159 --> 00:27:26,860
- I'm gonna drop some
Dr. Demento' in here,
607
00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:28,790
in the middle of like two love songs.
608
00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:33,790
- I think a lot of them
were like Dr. Demento songs.
609
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,370
I just hated to hear
any Dr. Demento songs.
610
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:39,804
- I used to always put
on monkey-wrench songs
611
00:27:39,804 --> 00:27:42,290
that I knew that they probably would hate.
612
00:27:42,290 --> 00:27:44,308
Like I don't know very many girls
613
00:27:44,308 --> 00:27:49,290
who liked Captain Beefheart, for example.
614
00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:50,970
But I love Captain Beefheart.
615
00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:52,110
And it was like almost,
616
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:53,780
it was like a dare.
617
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:55,610
Like, I dare you to like this.
618
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:56,960
- Me and one of my old friends,
619
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,150
we'd always make mix tapes
620
00:27:58,150 --> 00:28:01,533
and we always said there was
always one song that killed it.
621
00:28:01,533 --> 00:28:02,366
(laughs)
622
00:28:02,366 --> 00:28:04,880
Whether it be It would
always be on the B-side,
623
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,550
but there would be always one song
624
00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:09,730
that just didn't fit
and it just stuck out.
625
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:12,239
And I would always try to
avoid putting that song on.
626
00:28:12,239 --> 00:28:13,490
But for some reason,
627
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:15,820
it would always make its
way onto every mix tape.
628
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:17,230
- Whenever they would say,
"I don't like that song.
629
00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:18,480
Why'd you put that on there?"
630
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,110
I'd be like you're crazy.
631
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:24,090
And, you know, next thing we
knew we'd get into some sort
632
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:26,680
of ridiculous argument where
I was definitely wrong.
633
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,190
- What I like to do though
is based on the person
634
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:32,630
that I make the mix tape
for, kind of feel out
635
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:36,990
where their edge might be
and try to take them there.
636
00:28:36,990 --> 00:28:40,610
- I always usually had
a Pulp song on there,
637
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:42,320
and usually Radiohead.
638
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,900
Probably The Ronettes is
usually on the majority
639
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:47,540
of my mixes.
640
00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:48,820
The Cramps.
641
00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:51,490
I usually like to throw in
some Albinoni to throw people
642
00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:53,900
for a loop, depending on the
mood of what I'm going for.
643
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:58,240
Not for a dance mix per se,
but maybe a moodier mix.
644
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,667
Oh, Portishead for sure
would 100% go on there,
645
00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:05,440
without any hesitation.
646
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,280
Serge Gainsbourg, 100%.
647
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,072
And maybe some like Astrid Gilberto.
648
00:29:10,072 --> 00:29:10,905
Yeah.
649
00:29:10,905 --> 00:29:12,290
And then maybe Ella Fitzgerald.
650
00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:14,170
Sorry, I'm just making my mix.
651
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,933
(laughs)
652
00:29:16,933 --> 00:29:19,300
I could keep going but I'll stop.
653
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,210
- Your gold tape.
654
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:21,700
- My gold tape.
655
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:22,533
- Here we go.
656
00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:25,510
All right, so,
657
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:28,100
this is our recording side.
658
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,797
I believe this is Side A.
659
00:29:29,797 --> 00:29:31,550
- [Hazel] How do you tell?
660
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:32,990
- Normally it says A and B on it.
661
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:34,054
These do not.
662
00:29:34,054 --> 00:29:35,000
(laughing)
663
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,833
- Nice.
664
00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:38,910
- I think it's usually when
all the tape is on one side.
665
00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:41,270
That's the, when it's all on the left,
666
00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:44,283
I think that's I'm going
to find out momentarily,
667
00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:47,895
if it plays and doesn't stop immediately.
668
00:29:47,895 --> 00:29:50,478
(upbeat music)
669
00:29:53,475 --> 00:29:55,892
(indistinct)
670
00:29:58,237 --> 00:30:01,237
(upbeat rock music)
671
00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:04,618
Timing is essential.
672
00:30:04,618 --> 00:30:05,451
- Yeah.
673
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:10,053
So you just let it play
all the way through?
674
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:11,862
- Yes.
675
00:30:11,862 --> 00:30:13,390
Believe it or not, we have to
sit through the whole song.
676
00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:14,360
(Hazel laughing)
677
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,260
That's how you used to make mix tapes.
678
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,330
- It became of the utmost
importance to get all
679
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:24,440
of those 45s onto this
cassette, where the outro
680
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,240
of the song is not cut off by
the intro of the next song,
681
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,020
there's not too much
blank space between songs.
682
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:34,220
- I remember rewinding
and erasing and rewinding
683
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,600
and hitting record again many times.
684
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,020
I mean, it would take hours.
685
00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:40,810
- Then you'd become a real pro.
686
00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:43,800
And when you're working
in real time, analog,
687
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,960
your mistakes are in real time.
688
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,380
So you play it back and you go, oh no,
689
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:50,020
I screwed up that song.
690
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:54,160
I have to re-do the last 23 minutes
691
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,500
of the A-side of this cassette.
692
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,370
And I've been sitting in
this position in front
693
00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:00,759
of the tape deck for like
nine hours making it.
694
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:01,800
Ahhhh.
695
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,190
- But I think that's
what made it so special
696
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:08,450
and so meaningful, when
you gave a mix tape
697
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:11,620
or received a mix tape, especially if it
698
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:13,550
had homemade artwork on it.
699
00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:14,430
- It's your personality.
700
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:18,540
Like the mix is a part
of you, and so the art,
701
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:19,900
they should reflect each other.
702
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:24,870
- I did like a nail polish
and white out art on it.
703
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:27,098
- I would cut out stuff from magazines.
704
00:31:27,098 --> 00:31:30,850
Usually the title of the
mix tape would be a quote
705
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:32,430
from one of the songs
off the mix tape and that
706
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:35,080
would be like another
thing for them to discover
707
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,110
which song it was.
708
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:39,830
- I would go out and take
photos of you know trees
709
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,870
and water but make it
intentionally blurry,
710
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:45,620
so then I would have all
these photos that I'm sure,
711
00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:48,010
like when I went to the Rite
Aid to get these developed
712
00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:50,590
they were like oh sir this whole
stack of photos is garbage,
713
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:52,647
it's just blurry
water-colory looking stuff.
714
00:31:52,647 --> 00:31:54,790
I'm like yes, that's exactly
what I was going for.
715
00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:59,790
- I used to draw like these,
they're like graffiti letters.
716
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:01,210
But it wasn't like actual graf.
717
00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:04,156
It was like block letters but
I made them in like bubbles.
718
00:32:04,156 --> 00:32:06,380
And then I would draw like little things
719
00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:09,660
inside like hearts or balloons,
or stars, or whatever.
720
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:13,900
- I would do multi-colored
magic marker things,
721
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,397
and arrows to this and
that, and asterisks,
722
00:32:16,397 --> 00:32:18,580
and you flip over to the back
cover and duh duh duh duh.
723
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:19,723
I mean, it was just so,
724
00:32:19,723 --> 00:32:20,556
(laughs)
725
00:32:20,556 --> 00:32:22,440
- I couldn't draw to save my life.
726
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,537
I couldn't.
727
00:32:23,537 --> 00:32:26,770
Just writing the names of the songs
728
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:27,870
in a way that was legible.
729
00:32:27,870 --> 00:32:31,435
Being a lefty and
dragging your hand across
730
00:32:31,435 --> 00:32:36,435
that glossy sheet was a fucking nightmare.
731
00:32:36,730 --> 00:32:38,360
It would just blur everything out.
732
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400
There's a whole nother documentary
733
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,610
on being a fucking lefthander,
734
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,130
but being a left-hander
and trying to write shit
735
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:44,410
on mix tapes.
736
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:45,320
(sighing)
737
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,480
- Can you imagine the whole process
738
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,473
I just showed you from tape to tape?
739
00:32:49,849 --> 00:32:51,087
- I don't even wanna think about that.
740
00:32:51,087 --> 00:32:53,370
- How about vinyl to tape,
741
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,000
like getting it between the songs?
742
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,200
- That would be torture.
743
00:32:58,070 --> 00:33:02,070
That's just like a whole
nother thing of anxiety
744
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:05,420
for like one mix tape.
745
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:06,670
- [Robert] But if somebody gave you one,
746
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:10,243
knowing that's what they went
through to make it for you?
747
00:33:10,243 --> 00:33:11,076
- Yeah.
748
00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:11,909
- [Robert] Would you
appreciate it more now?
749
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:13,571
- Yeah.
750
00:33:13,571 --> 00:33:16,560
(upbeat music)
751
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,860
- The very first mix tape
that I was ever exposed
752
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,130
to was a mix tape that my father made that
753
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:25,140
was called "Mood Pieces."
754
00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:27,810
- [Robert] What was the
inspiration behind this one?
755
00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,810
- Just some music that
you could kind of sit back
756
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:34,090
and get transported away.
757
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:36,890
To get you in a certain mood, if you will.
758
00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:41,640
And I selected those with
that thought in mind.
759
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640
- [Robert] What's our favorite
track on this Mood Pieces?
760
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,940
How long since you even
looked or heard at it?
761
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:48,839
- We actually listened
to a little piece of it
762
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:52,027
just a little while ago,
but it's been years.
763
00:33:52,027 --> 00:33:55,263
"Big Log" always jumps out.
764
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:59,037
Marianne Faithfull, "Intrigue."
765
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,367
"Times Square."
766
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,730
Some of the special ones.
767
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:05,670
- What it really brought to light,
768
00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:09,800
especially because my
father wasn't a musician,
769
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,940
for a non-musician
making a mix tape I guess
770
00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:17,180
is about as close as
a non-musician can get
771
00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:21,750
to using sound to construct
something very personal.
772
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,600
- My musical experience
is me and Ian MacKaye,
773
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,250
we've been best friends since we were 12.
774
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:27,260
We're now in our 50s.
775
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:28,400
We're still best friends.
776
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,470
We talk every week and our
conversation often goes to music.
777
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:36,081
- It was incredibly
laborious to find cool music
778
00:34:36,081 --> 00:34:37,280
back in those days.
779
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,310
So what a lot of us would do,
780
00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:41,380
or what I would do is I would go over
781
00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:44,582
to a friend's house who
had tons of seven-inches,
782
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:46,200
and he would just,
783
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,400
he or she would just play me seven-inches
784
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,557
and I would record the ones that I liked.
785
00:34:50,557 --> 00:34:52,629
Oh, I like that, let's tape that one.
786
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:57,040
- I cannot overemphasize
how important this language
787
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,890
was and is between Ian and myself.
788
00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:03,853
And how the cassette, the
mix tape was important
789
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:07,920
in maintaining and
prolonging that conversation.
790
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,100
- Me and my sister used
to do like mix tape club
791
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:15,100
where it's literally
fuckin', it's like charades,
792
00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:19,830
you put your hands in the
box, you pull out a subject.
793
00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:24,400
It's like mixes about fucking
breakups or The Yellow Mix.
794
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,440
Where everything has to be yellow.
795
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,690
The Crazy Mix.
796
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:29,500
I pulled crazy for The Crazy Mix
797
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,210
and it's all either
people that went crazy.
798
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,820
Like Nirvana, he shot himself in the head.
799
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:38,290
Or fucking Skip Spence.
800
00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:39,720
He went fucking nuts.
801
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,480
Or like songs about being crazy,
802
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,870
like Black Sabbath, "Paranoid."
803
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:47,667
Daniel Johnston, he went fucking nuts.
804
00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:48,500
"The Story of an Artist",
805
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,670
that's a kill yourself fucking song.
806
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:51,700
You see the ones with the dots
807
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:52,850
indicate the people that actually
808
00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:54,740
lost their fucking minds too.
809
00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:56,803
- I wasn't an idea guy or a theme guy.
810
00:35:56,803 --> 00:35:59,160
That was masturbation as
far as I was concerned.
811
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,100
Now you're just jerking off.
812
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,283
But, just make a fucking solid mix tape.
813
00:36:02,283 --> 00:36:04,610
Because I think you get
locked into the theme more
814
00:36:04,610 --> 00:36:07,070
than you get locked into the
flow, for me at that point.
815
00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:09,450
So it was all about the
flow and about a journey,
816
00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:12,600
and about sort of making sense
from one song to the next,
817
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,500
and making sure that you sort of
818
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:16,990
carried people through something.
819
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:18,440
So you were never jolted.
820
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,140
I never wanted a song to
come on and be like, oh.
821
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:23,470
I wanted you to be prepared
for the journey as you went.
822
00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:27,020
- I had access to porno
records when I was younger,
823
00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:29,140
when they put porno on vinyl.
824
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:32,230
That was always fun to
just throw into a mix tape
825
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:35,010
or at the very end of the tape, you know.
826
00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:36,950
In my mind, I'd give
a mix tape to somebody
827
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:39,670
and then the second side and
they'd kind of fall asleep,
828
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:42,120
it'd be at night, and all
the sudden like, porno.
829
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:45,840
- It just at some point
it turned into a place
830
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,793
for me where,
831
00:36:50,190 --> 00:36:51,840
yeah, where I could communicate.
832
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,330
Where I could communicate with people.
833
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:57,720
- The most important thing
about the mix tape, to me,
834
00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:59,730
was my cousin's introduction.
835
00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,927
He started talking to me
about bands and he said,
836
00:37:01,927 --> 00:37:03,670
"You know what, I'm going
to make you some tapes."
837
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:06,550
You know, these mix tapes
were just like the Bible
838
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:08,670
for me as a teenager.
839
00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:09,640
- I don't wanna go so far as
840
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,060
to say the mix tape saved my life,
841
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:15,876
but when you're 13 and
everything is that real
842
00:37:15,876 --> 00:37:20,150
and that important, and
that histrionic, yeah.
843
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:21,890
The fucking mix tape saved my life.
844
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:23,830
- My high school didn't have,
845
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:26,420
it wasn't Nobody had good taste.
846
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:27,360
Nobody.
847
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,210
Only me.
848
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:29,790
I was the only person that had good taste
849
00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:31,595
in my entire high school.
850
00:37:31,595 --> 00:37:32,428
- When I went to Purchase,
851
00:37:32,428 --> 00:37:34,510
senior, Purchase is
where I went to college,
852
00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:39,183
in '87, my freshman year,
at some point I was,
853
00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:44,770
I don't remember being
given it, it just showed up.
854
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:47,610
This cassette showed up and
I remember putting it in
855
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:49,570
and it blowing my fucking mind.
856
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:52,440
Because it was Siouxsie and the Banshees
857
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,440
and Killing Joke and China
Crisis and Gene Loves Jezebel.
858
00:37:58,450 --> 00:38:02,330
I'm pretty sure there
was probably "Revenge"
859
00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:04,420
from Ministry was on there.
860
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:06,450
So whoever made it for
me or whoever made it
861
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:11,450
and left it accidentally in my
dorm, was a cutter for sure.
862
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,390
So that introduced me
863
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:18,700
to like a whole other fuckin' darker edge.
864
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,304
Because I'm a Phil Collins
fan and his darkness is
865
00:38:21,304 --> 00:38:23,150
♪ One more night ♪
866
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:24,450
It's not actually cutting.
867
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:27,510
It's just sort of wishing
you had the strength to cut,
868
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:28,444
for your pain.
869
00:38:28,444 --> 00:38:30,130
Instead you just write
sappy love songs about it.
870
00:38:30,130 --> 00:38:32,834
Whereas Siouxsie is just like, ahhhhh.
871
00:38:32,834 --> 00:38:37,049
♪ Now she's in purple,
now she's a turtle ♪
872
00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:38,700
♪ Disintegrating ♪
873
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,647
- I was as into making mix tapes
as I was into making music.
874
00:38:40,647 --> 00:38:42,616
It was the same feeling for me.
875
00:38:42,616 --> 00:38:43,449
It was this feeling of creativity
876
00:38:43,449 --> 00:38:46,700
and I made them all the time for everyone.
877
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,447
Yeah, for friends.
878
00:38:48,447 --> 00:38:49,980
I can't even say girlfriends.
879
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:53,561
But for girls I wanted
to be my girlfriends.
880
00:38:53,561 --> 00:38:56,144
(upbeat music)
881
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,910
- To be honest, it was always about girls.
882
00:39:00,910 --> 00:39:02,722
- I'm going to make you a mix tape,
883
00:39:02,722 --> 00:39:04,850
and it's how I'm going to tell you, hey,
884
00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:06,580
I really like you but
I'm too shy to tell you.
885
00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:09,230
Which is, shyness is, believe it or not,
886
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:10,440
always been a problem for me.
887
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,639
- I made her a mix tape with
like "The Power of Love"
888
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,770
and fuckin' Peter Cetera.
889
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:19,617
Oh shit, I even put Robert Palmer's
890
00:39:19,617 --> 00:39:21,480
"I Didn't Mean to Turn You On" on there.
891
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,430
That's how fuckin'
ridiculously ballsy this was.
892
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,180
- I knew there were certain
songs that I had to hit
893
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,710
because I was trying to let her know
894
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:29,580
just how much I loved her.
895
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:31,590
- When I first started
working in record stores,
896
00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:35,330
I remember the consistency of being asked
897
00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:38,770
if we had Art of Noise, "Moments in Love."
898
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:41,840
And I had never heard this
track when I was first asked
899
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,830
for it, but I noticed that the people
900
00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:48,367
that were asking for it were generally men
901
00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:52,313
and it was generally before
they were going on a date.
902
00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:58,180
And once I heard this song,
I got it, immediately.
903
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,040
- The mix tape to woo the female, for me,
904
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,010
was this wonderful night of
living in this illusionary world
905
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:10,800
of this is going to work out
great because of this cassette.
906
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,860
This is how I can talk to this woman.
907
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:16,050
I'll let the Platters talk for me
908
00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:19,570
I'll let Richard Berry and Johnny Otis.
909
00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:24,570
- There's certain songs like
Al Green, "Simply Beautiful."
910
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:29,079
For years, just goes on a mix.
911
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,210
I love that fuckin' song.
912
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:34,233
And it's not a typical Al Green song.
913
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:39,050
it's just vulnerable
and sweet and delicate
914
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:42,690
and that shit plays.
915
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:45,180
There are certain tracks
that it's like dude,
916
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:47,200
if you don't like that track,
917
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,510
I don't know if we can continue on.
918
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:50,810
- I always felt like it was important
919
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:54,570
to have a really good first side closer
920
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:56,040
and then a second side opener.
921
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,170
Like it makes you want
to flip the tape over.
922
00:40:58,170 --> 00:41:01,670
Something where it's like an ellipsis.
923
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:02,670
Like a dot dot dot.
924
00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:04,630
You have to like, oh wait, what's next?
925
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:08,500
I have to flip this over and
see where he's going with this.
926
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:10,320
How does he really feel about me?
927
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,993
Check out side two to find out.
928
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,703
- Oh, no!
- Wait.
929
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:19,217
- We hit the end of Side A.
930
00:41:20,357 --> 00:41:22,770
- What do we-
- We completely miscalculated.
931
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:24,063
We failed.
932
00:41:24,063 --> 00:41:25,730
(Robert laughing)
933
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:28,380
- But like, do we have to erase the song?
934
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:32,970
- Okay, we can either erase the last song,
935
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:33,803
so that it's clear.
936
00:41:33,803 --> 00:41:37,130
Because that's about two,
three minutes of white noise.
937
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:39,783
Or we find a shorter song.
938
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,693
Or we leave it as is, but it's
gonna be really distracting.
939
00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:46,900
- We can't leave it like that.
940
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:47,733
I think...
941
00:41:50,344 --> 00:41:51,250
- [Robert] I think we should try "Help!",
942
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:53,847
only because it's a shorter
song and we might be able
943
00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:54,780
to get that in there.
944
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:56,250
- So do we just go back and do-
945
00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:57,083
- [Robert] Yes.
946
00:41:57,083 --> 00:41:58,230
We have to manually go
back and erase over it.
947
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:59,456
- Oh wow.
948
00:41:59,456 --> 00:42:03,289
(light acoustic guitar music)
949
00:42:05,105 --> 00:42:08,569
- What I was hoping for was
Oh my god, you understand me,
950
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:11,100
I'm falling all over myself.
951
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:14,963
You are the one male I've
ever met who gets me.
952
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:17,580
And it was always like, oh
yeah, I played that tape
953
00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:20,780
with my friends in the car,
and we lost it under the seat,
954
00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:22,758
and there's that really cool song
955
00:42:22,758 --> 00:42:24,827
where there's that really nice beat.
956
00:42:24,827 --> 00:42:25,970
And you're like-
957
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:27,470
- I'm incredibly selfish.
958
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:29,620
I don't listen to other
people's mix tapes.
959
00:42:30,796 --> 00:42:33,800
(both laughing)
960
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,623
I mean, I'd read the song list.
961
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,670
And I'd write a thank you note.
962
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:39,340
- Maybe my first mix tape
963
00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:42,270
was from a boyfriend who was always trying
964
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,362
to get me like certain
music that he liked,
965
00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:48,650
and I'd always be like, that sucks.
966
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:49,553
I hate that.
967
00:42:49,553 --> 00:42:53,330
- And so you must really enjoy the fact
968
00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:54,630
that you're making it.
969
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:58,590
This is quality time you're
spending with this person.
970
00:42:58,590 --> 00:42:59,630
She's not in the room.
971
00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:01,670
So it's a perfect relationship.
972
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:05,360
Nothing can go wrong because
it's completely fictitious.
973
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,350
- The mix is almost like this litmus test,
974
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:08,500
like, are we going to jibe?
975
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:09,939
You know what I mean?
976
00:43:09,939 --> 00:43:11,800
Like, getting a mix from somebody,
977
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,460
hearing what they like to listen to,
978
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:17,310
being exposed to new music,
learning about that person.
979
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:19,670
And also judging them harshly too.
980
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:23,330
- It wasn't necessarily coming
from the most selfless place.
981
00:43:23,330 --> 00:43:25,030
It was coming from more of like a,
982
00:43:26,665 --> 00:43:30,230
maybe I thought I was cool
and I wanted them to be cool.
983
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:33,220
So it wasn't necessarily
coming from an expression
984
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:35,560
of adoration.
985
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,650
It was actually more coming
from a place of narcissism,
986
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,010
if I'm honest.
987
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:42,727
- To be real with you, I
didn't even make mix tapes
988
00:43:42,727 --> 00:43:43,560
for other people.
989
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,953
I made mix tapes for myself.
990
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:47,543
Fuck them.
991
00:43:47,543 --> 00:43:49,260
I don't, like, fuck other people.
992
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:51,270
I'm like, I bought all
these fucking songs,
993
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:52,875
I'm making this shit for myself.
994
00:43:52,875 --> 00:43:56,144
- (sighing) I've made so
many break-up cassettes.
995
00:43:56,144 --> 00:43:58,130
(all laughing)
996
00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:00,150
And like put them on
and just like sat there
997
00:44:00,150 --> 00:44:01,640
and howled at the moon.
998
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,930
- I really believe that one of the ways
999
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:08,760
that I achieved closure
was making this mix tape.
1000
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,530
There's some My Bloody Valentine,
1001
00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:13,150
there's some Verve, there's some Slowdive.
1002
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:16,280
Actually there's a lot of
Slowdive on this cassette.
1003
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,900
- Why?
1004
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:22,800
Because there's something
beautiful about that misery.
1005
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,590
- I do have many experiences
1006
00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:30,570
where a tape made me
feel even more connected
1007
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:34,253
with people for sure, with my boyfriends,
1008
00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:36,273
and my friends.
1009
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:43,010
Especially I say boyfriends
because if they're gonna write,
1010
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,623
if they're gonna send you
a love letter in a tape,
1011
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,230
you're gonna feel it by
the songs they're putting
1012
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:52,063
on that tape.
1013
00:44:52,063 --> 00:44:55,200
- I had moved to
California on my own at 19,
1014
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,030
just deer in the headlights,
like just going for it.
1015
00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:00,430
And I was lonely.
1016
00:45:00,430 --> 00:45:01,870
Like I didn't know anybody.
1017
00:45:01,870 --> 00:45:06,140
So my life for probably like two years,
1018
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:09,570
before I really started
getting like a lot of friends,
1019
00:45:09,570 --> 00:45:12,470
was work, music.
1020
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:16,730
Those mix tapes really helped
me out and made me feel good.
1021
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:19,120
I remember I bought a car out here
1022
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,960
and I could put it in the car
1023
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,670
and I just had a good
feeling of like someone, him,
1024
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:24,740
being there.
1025
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:28,652
And him taking the time
and the love to do that.
1026
00:45:28,652 --> 00:45:31,235
(upbeat music)
1027
00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:34,630
- After you would get that mix,
1028
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:35,840
you would check it on a bunch of things
1029
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,780
and the number one thing you
would check it on is the car.
1030
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:39,270
And when you go into the car,
1031
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:40,860
you would have 20 fucking notes,
1032
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:42,140
'cause everything would slightly change.
1033
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,870
You'd be like, oh the
bass is way too loud.
1034
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:46,060
Or like oh this thing doesn't
go from left to right,
1035
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:46,893
it goes from right to left.
1036
00:45:46,893 --> 00:45:47,970
We've got to change that.
1037
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:49,830
And you would go back with 1000 notes.
1038
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:52,260
- I loved listening to music in the car.
1039
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:53,810
I do that to this day.
1040
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:55,880
I check mixes in the car.
1041
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,273
I would put them in order
that I wanted, I would listen
1042
00:45:58,273 --> 00:46:00,790
to them in the car, I would
drive around aimlessly,
1043
00:46:00,790 --> 00:46:02,720
I would get lost.
1044
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,047
I love to drive around and get lost.
1045
00:46:04,047 --> 00:46:06,637
- And I had a really good Blaupunkt.
1046
00:46:07,867 --> 00:46:09,943
And I had a really good stereo.
1047
00:46:11,146 --> 00:46:12,983
I'm in my car right now.
1048
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,493
Driving down the 405.
1049
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,320
Coming home from Knotts Berry Farm
1050
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,840
is what I'm doing right now.
1051
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,770
- So apparently the best place
1052
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:24,670
to test a mix tape is in a car,
1053
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:28,310
so we found a car that I can play this in.
1054
00:46:28,310 --> 00:46:29,462
So we're gonna do that.
1055
00:46:29,462 --> 00:46:30,295
- [Robert] Where did we find it?
1056
00:46:30,295 --> 00:46:31,128
On Facebook?
1057
00:46:31,128 --> 00:46:33,820
- Yeah, we sent out a message on Facebook.
1058
00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:36,780
Like, does anybody have a car
that can play a cassette tape?
1059
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:38,160
So we found somebody.
1060
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,670
- We got one.
- We got one.
1061
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:42,370
- We're going for it.
- Let's go.
1062
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:44,660
- [Man] All right, so
let's do the car test.
1063
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:45,641
- Where do I even-
1064
00:46:45,641 --> 00:46:47,153
- [Man] Do you remember
what the car test is?
1065
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:49,813
- Like, playing it.
- Yeah.
1066
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,403
- So, where?
1067
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:55,793
- [Man] Okay, you need to start the car.
1068
00:46:55,793 --> 00:46:57,300
(laughing)
1069
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,730
This is lesson one.
1070
00:46:58,730 --> 00:47:00,380
This is how you play it in a car.
1071
00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:02,853
- Okay, wait.
1072
00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:04,290
Okay, okay.
- We're in park, right?
1073
00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:08,050
- I don't want to start rolling.
1074
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,513
- [Man] Okay, it's in park, right?
1075
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,067
Turn off the radio.
1076
00:47:14,067 --> 00:47:14,900
- Where?
1077
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:15,733
How?
1078
00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:17,657
- [Man] Just press, I
guess the volume button.
1079
00:47:17,657 --> 00:47:19,290
Press it.
1080
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:21,221
Okay, well, we'll start there.
1081
00:47:21,221 --> 00:47:23,387
- Do I press-
- Yeah, there yo go.
1082
00:47:23,387 --> 00:47:25,270
Put the volume up a little bit.
1083
00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:31,610
Now put the tape in where
it says logic control deck,
1084
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:33,543
see that?
1085
00:47:36,850 --> 00:47:37,683
But you have to put,
1086
00:47:37,683 --> 00:47:39,800
see how it's kind of
shaped like a cassette?
1087
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,800
- This way?
- Yeah.
1088
00:47:42,967 --> 00:47:44,807
Go the other way.
- Flip it around.
1089
00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:48,663
- [Man] That's how we used to do it.
1090
00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:51,920
- I feel like I'm doing something wrong.
1091
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,670
- No, this is correct.
- Okay.
1092
00:47:54,670 --> 00:47:55,503
- [Man] Now turn up the volume.
1093
00:47:55,503 --> 00:47:56,537
Can you shut that door?
1094
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,273
- Oh, it's playing.
1095
00:47:59,273 --> 00:48:00,106
It's playing.
1096
00:48:00,106 --> 00:48:01,323
- [Man] There you go, there's your mix.
1097
00:48:02,278 --> 00:48:03,111
(upbeat rock music)
1098
00:48:03,111 --> 00:48:07,358
- Okay, so now we just listen to it?
1099
00:48:07,358 --> 00:48:09,941
(upbeat music)
1100
00:48:12,077 --> 00:48:13,530
- I remember working my
job as a telemarketer
1101
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,850
playing my shit for
people in the parking lot.
1102
00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:19,647
And I remember Keith Murray
just came out, so I'd be,
1103
00:48:19,647 --> 00:48:21,290
hey you know about that new Keith Murray?
1104
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:22,310
And I'd be playing that.
1105
00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:27,023
And the crazy thing is
that was me as a kid.
1106
00:48:28,035 --> 00:48:28,990
That was me as a kid.
1107
00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:32,010
And now that's my job.
1108
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:36,760
- As a young musician, I
recall making mix tapes
1109
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,780
to express sort of the feeling of
1110
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:40,340
where you wanted a band to go,
1111
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:42,640
what the musical styling would be.
1112
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,270
Music creates community,
1113
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:46,100
and the types of music create community,
1114
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,192
and the stories that music tells
1115
00:48:48,192 --> 00:48:51,820
moves forward through us all.
1116
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:54,535
- We weren't trained musicians.
1117
00:48:54,535 --> 00:48:56,500
We were all self-taught.
1118
00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:00,100
So that's exactly how
we would communicate.
1119
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,490
It's the Coltrane area.
1120
00:49:01,490 --> 00:49:05,420
Or it's the Blues Explosion part.
1121
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:10,420
We would explain our
songs by describing that
1122
00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:14,080
using other artists to
describe, or other songs
1123
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,310
to describe them.
1124
00:49:15,310 --> 00:49:17,280
- When The Muffs were on tour,
1125
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,530
everybody would have a little
box with cassettes tapes
1126
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:23,240
in it, and we would take
turns playing stuff.
1127
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,610
- I love mix tapes so
much that there's a song
1128
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:28,710
on the first Morningwood
record called "Jetsetter",
1129
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:31,627
which the full title is
"Jetsetter Music Letter",
1130
00:49:31,627 --> 00:49:35,000
♪ This is a Jetsetter Music Letter ♪
1131
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,130
Which was the name
1132
00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:38,790
of a mix tape that I
made for my best friend,
1133
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:41,350
and I liked the title
and the intention so much
1134
00:49:41,350 --> 00:49:43,580
that I used it in a song
that was on our record.
1135
00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:44,560
- When we did the first Left Rights,
1136
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,920
it really was like a mix tape.
1137
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,310
I mean, when we had so
many tracks and wanted it
1138
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:50,470
to flow a certain way, we literally,
1139
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:53,630
I mean, it looked like
a storyboard conference
1140
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:57,210
or like a meeting, or like
when someone in Homeland
1141
00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:00,440
is trying to connect the dots
between who the killer is,
1142
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,760
solve a murder or something.
1143
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,510
We put up index cards of
every song on a huge board,
1144
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:06,343
plus songs that never made it,
1145
00:50:06,343 --> 00:50:07,640
and we just kept moving them around
1146
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,700
to see what the flow was.
1147
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,383
- In fact, I had an argument
with our drummer Roy,
1148
00:50:12,383 --> 00:50:16,957
about which song should go
first on our last album.
1149
00:50:16,957 --> 00:50:21,390
He really wanted the song "Weird
Boy Next Door" to be first,
1150
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:24,751
and I really wanted the song
"Paint by Numbers" to be first.
1151
00:50:24,751 --> 00:50:27,578
And he won.
1152
00:50:27,578 --> 00:50:30,085
♪ He's a boy next door, what a boy ♪
1153
00:50:30,085 --> 00:50:32,666
♪ Do nothing what he's living for ♪
1154
00:50:32,666 --> 00:50:35,282
♪ He's a boy next door, what a boy ♪
1155
00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:39,430
♪ Nasty, keep away from him ♪
1156
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:41,540
I realized he was right.
1157
00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:43,587
You know, there's a right
way and a wrong way.
1158
00:50:43,587 --> 00:50:46,096
(laughs)
1159
00:50:46,096 --> 00:50:46,929
It's so sad.
1160
00:50:46,929 --> 00:50:48,490
- I think a mix tape is all about,
1161
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:50,621
specifically it's about
using these different songs
1162
00:50:50,621 --> 00:50:52,140
to create a dynamic.
1163
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:54,620
There's usually the quiet
part, then it gets rockin',
1164
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:56,403
and you know then it drifts out.
1165
00:50:59,130 --> 00:51:01,210
That's the way I think of
albums and even more than that,
1166
00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:05,300
it's kind of the way I
think of my, you know,
1167
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:07,240
my career as it were.
1168
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:08,810
Because a mix tape is
kind of a sloppy thing
1169
00:51:08,810 --> 00:51:10,690
but it's a really elegant thing,
1170
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:12,850
that to make a good one takes thought.
1171
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:15,935
- One of the reasons why I felt
1172
00:51:15,935 --> 00:51:19,120
that I could make a
successful career for myself
1173
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,120
as a DJ is because of my
history making mixes for people.
1174
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:28,610
- I think it's a good
interaction to perform live,
1175
00:51:28,610 --> 00:51:29,750
especially to improvise.
1176
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:33,966
It's a good challenge
to feel the audience.
1177
00:51:33,966 --> 00:51:35,960
To be able to communicate with them
1178
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,870
in the most natural way I know
how, which is in the music.
1179
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:44,870
- I saw DJing as a way to
almost make a live mix tape.
1180
00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:49,850
- That was exactly the same feeling
1181
00:51:49,850 --> 00:51:51,150
as making a good mix tape,
1182
00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:52,720
because you're sort of,
1183
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,700
you're taking an audience on a journey.
1184
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,720
You know, you'd start with an idea
1185
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,180
and then you take people on a journey
1186
00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:01,380
and bring them down and
bring them back up again.
1187
00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:02,213
- I brought my records,
1188
00:52:02,213 --> 00:52:04,320
and basically I just went
through my record collection
1189
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,930
and found all of my favorite records.
1190
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:07,910
It's records that were all my jams,
1191
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:09,190
stuff that I liked to party to.
1192
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:11,430
Put them in a crate,
put them in BPM order,
1193
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:12,940
and took them to the party.
1194
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:14,140
And started playing.
1195
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:15,730
- It really just came
from the heart though.
1196
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:19,180
It wasn't about beat matching,
which again I beat match now,
1197
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:23,127
but it was more coming from
my heart and telling a story.
1198
00:52:23,127 --> 00:52:27,162
And I really don't know
where I'm gonna start.
1199
00:52:27,162 --> 00:52:30,229
I kind of have to take a
look at what's happening
1200
00:52:30,229 --> 00:52:32,749
on the dance floor.
1201
00:52:32,749 --> 00:52:35,140
And that kind of dictates
where I wanna start.
1202
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:36,510
- As much as I want it to be about me
1203
00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:38,659
and the songs I pick and
how great I am at it,
1204
00:52:38,659 --> 00:52:41,240
I really do try to look at the crowd
1205
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,680
and just check their
body language, see who,
1206
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,810
how they're talking.
1207
00:52:44,810 --> 00:52:46,277
- There's so many people
that have been like,
1208
00:52:46,277 --> 00:52:47,110
yo, you remember
1209
00:52:47,110 --> 00:52:48,610
when you did your set
and you played that song?
1210
00:52:48,610 --> 00:52:50,290
That was my first time hearing it.
1211
00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:52,180
Now it's like one of my favorite songs.
1212
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:53,620
Or I played it at my wedding.
1213
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:55,750
Or It's me and my wife's song
now or something like that.
1214
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:58,665
- That's pretty cool
where you can play a song
1215
00:52:58,665 --> 00:53:03,665
and it translates and, you
know, it's the feelings
1216
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:07,542
that the people get from the music.
1217
00:53:07,542 --> 00:53:11,430
The screaming and the
hollering and people jumping
1218
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:13,880
and just clapping, and
the smiles that you get
1219
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,163
from people playing these different songs.
1220
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,670
It really keeps it going.
1221
00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:19,510
It keeps me going.
1222
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:22,910
- The great Dierdre O'Donoghue,
the sadly passed away DJ,
1223
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:25,025
taught me everything I know
about making a radio show.
1224
00:53:25,025 --> 00:53:27,980
And I would go sit with her
and watch her in the '80s
1225
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:30,840
as she would do her Snap show on KCRW,
1226
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,570
where I do my radio show now.
1227
00:53:32,570 --> 00:53:35,920
And so I'm listening,
she's playing Philip Glass,
1228
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,590
which is kind of out there
for an evening listen,
1229
00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:43,240
and then she'd play Prince.
1230
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,670
I go, okay, that's eclectic.
1231
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:45,530
The pairing.
1232
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:46,800
Why'd you do that?
1233
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,090
She goes, you're bringing in a marlin.
1234
00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:51,200
You take some line.
1235
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,533
Philip Glass, they've got
to work for a few minutes.
1236
00:53:52,533 --> 00:53:55,860
This is a seven-minute
cyclical avant piece.
1237
00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:58,040
Seven and a half minutes
they have to sit and listen.
1238
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,110
No singing.
1239
00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:00,050
So you're taking a line.
1240
00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:02,200
You're dragging the marlin to the boat.
1241
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,140
They've been very good.
1242
00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:06,250
They didn't turn off the radio,
so you give them some line.
1243
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:07,280
Good boy.
1244
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,500
Give 'em a Prince song.
1245
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:10,440
Give 'em a "Little Red Corvette."
1246
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,830
Like, "Oh I love that song."
1247
00:54:11,830 --> 00:54:14,010
Give them some line, they can rest.
1248
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:15,930
Then you give them something that's new.
1249
00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:17,880
It's the new Go-Between single.
1250
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,150
Okay, a little bit of tautness
on the line cause it's new.
1251
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:23,350
Poppy, but it's new.
1252
00:54:23,350 --> 00:54:26,249
And then you make them work some more.
1253
00:54:26,249 --> 00:54:29,460
She said, "By the time the show is over,
1254
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:30,293
they're in your boat.
1255
00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:31,173
You've got them."
1256
00:54:31,173 --> 00:54:33,756
(upbeat music)
1257
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,920
- So now here we are in present day,
1258
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,214
people are making mix
tapes that are on CDs
1259
00:54:40,214 --> 00:54:42,460
and it's basically just like your mix.
1260
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:44,510
It's basically just you playing music
1261
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:48,030
like you were playing
at a club, but the art
1262
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:50,510
of people making that specific, you know,
1263
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:54,310
special combination of stuff
for a mix tape is gone,
1264
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:56,900
along with the actual physical
form of a cassette is gone.
1265
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:00,126
- Sometimes to capture the moment
1266
00:55:00,126 --> 00:55:02,910
of hanging out with someone,
1267
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:05,660
a Polaroid picture of
it would be a mix tape.
1268
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:08,210
And this is me hanging
out at Ian's bedroom
1269
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:12,630
at Discord house in November
of 1997 and I'm just,
1270
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:14,120
this is "At Ian's."
1271
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,090
And it's just me making mix tapes.
1272
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:19,260
And so here's rare Bad Brains.
1273
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,560
There's the cassette of the
second ever Bad Brains show,
1274
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,320
of which I have the master.
1275
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,857
The vocalist gave it to me many years ago.
1276
00:55:26,857 --> 00:55:27,910
"Chump Rock."
1277
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:30,690
A girl I was going out with
hated my taste in music.
1278
00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:35,283
But she had a stereo so I'd
make mix tapes at her place and,
1279
00:55:36,842 --> 00:55:39,687
oh, look at that, "Shaft",
"Kung Fu Fighting",
1280
00:55:40,637 --> 00:55:42,470
"Rock Your Baby", "Multi",
1281
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:43,830
the song about the one-armed drummer,
1282
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:46,140
I got that from Chuck Dukowski.
1283
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:48,874
This is some of Chuck
Dukowski's single collection.
1284
00:55:48,874 --> 00:55:51,157
♪ Liar, liar, pants on fire ♪
1285
00:55:51,157 --> 00:55:52,601
"You're Gonna Miss Me."
1286
00:55:52,601 --> 00:55:53,857
This is killer.
1287
00:55:53,857 --> 00:55:55,900
"Kick Out the Jams," MC 5.
1288
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:58,883
This would be 1982, this tape.
1289
00:56:00,690 --> 00:56:02,690
And so I called it
"Chump Rock" because she
1290
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:04,750
thought I was a chump
for liking these songs.
1291
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:06,770
And there's how I used to sign my name
1292
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:07,940
in the Black Flag days.
1293
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:10,650
Wesley Willis, that's Jello Biafra
1294
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:12,457
making me rare Wesley Willis tapes.
1295
00:56:12,457 --> 00:56:15,690
That's Jello's writing, of
unreleased Wesley Willis.
1296
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:18,437
I used to live in a tool
shed, in Black Flag,
1297
00:56:18,437 --> 00:56:22,293
and this was music I used
to listen to in my shed.
1298
00:56:23,177 --> 00:56:24,100
"Birthday Party."
1299
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:27,100
Ravel doing "Bolero."
1300
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:29,330
Die Haut, the German band.
1301
00:56:29,330 --> 00:56:30,680
True West, some LA band.
1302
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,530
Richard Berry, who wrote "Louie Louie."
1303
00:56:32,530 --> 00:56:36,470
The Bad Brains, Lydia Lunch
and her album "Queen of Siam."
1304
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:41,470
My old punk rock band, UK
USA Number two it's a copy,
1305
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:44,893
it's on new TDK media.
1306
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:49,240
Ian MacKaye and I were driving
once in his car years ago
1307
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,220
and he has a cassette in his tape deck.
1308
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:52,290
And I'm recognizing it.
1309
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:53,710
I go, wait a minute, I know this cassette.
1310
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:55,751
He goes, "You made it in 1979,
1311
00:56:55,751 --> 00:56:58,540
and it's just been sitting
around ever since."
1312
00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:00,330
And I said, well let me copy it.
1313
00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:03,740
And so he kept the
original, I kept the copy.
1314
00:57:03,740 --> 00:57:06,490
So this is one of the first
mix tapes we ever made.
1315
00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:09,952
As I get older and older, my affection
1316
00:57:09,952 --> 00:57:14,380
for the cassette and the mix
tape ritual putting analog
1317
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:19,380
to analog, you know, going LP
or single to magnetic tape,
1318
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:22,950
it's a beautiful thing and if
we lose it'll be a real loss.
1319
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:26,470
People will really lose a
joyful, wonderful thing.
1320
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:28,520
Because when you listen to
digital, you are not listening
1321
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,780
to music, you are listening
to a bunch of numbers.
1322
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:33,630
- It was a lot of work making
a mix tape, I'm not gonna lie.
1323
00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:38,630
It was hours of excruciating
pain and patience.
1324
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:41,450
Like it was a gift, you know what I mean?
1325
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:43,607
When you got a mix tape
from somebody you knew
1326
00:57:43,607 --> 00:57:47,090
it was they took their time,
1327
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:48,880
because there was really no way around it.
1328
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,183
- A mix tape should be
a tape, a cassette tape.
1329
00:57:52,183 --> 00:57:54,483
I mean if you want to
make an 8-track tape,
1330
00:57:54,483 --> 00:57:56,340
that would be cool too.
1331
00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:58,080
But it has to be a tape.
1332
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,867
- This cassette, called
"Long Island Iced Tea",
1333
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,920
and it was made by an old
friend of mine, DJ Espiritu.
1334
00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:14,373
His name was Joe Espiritu.
1335
00:58:15,981 --> 00:58:19,860
Unfortunately he committed
suicide a few years ago,
1336
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:24,860
and I had totally forgotten
that he made me this tape.
1337
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,290
He titled it "Long Island Iced Tea"
1338
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:30,560
because he told me a story he
called himself Joey Two-Drinks
1339
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,870
because it only took two
drinks for him to get wasted.
1340
00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:36,300
Except the night that he
had a Long Island Iced Tea,
1341
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,033
and it only took him
one drink to get wasted.
1342
00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:41,280
So.
1343
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,030
I had totally forgotten about this.
1344
00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:48,460
Definitely something that
you cannot, I don't know,
1345
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:53,090
just a burned CD would not carry the same,
1346
00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:55,683
have the same gravity emotionally to it.
1347
00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,093
- CDs still had a lot
of love in them I think.
1348
00:59:00,093 --> 00:59:04,160
There's definitely a generation
of kids from the late,
1349
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,480
mid-'90s to the mid-2000s who grew up
1350
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,317
with the same mentality as, you know,
1351
00:59:10,317 --> 00:59:12,840
I spent a lot of time
making this CD for you,
1352
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,900
my sweet please be my
sweetheart type of thing.
1353
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:20,430
- Once the CDs started
happening, it was a lot better.
1354
00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:23,180
It was a lot better.
1355
00:59:23,180 --> 00:59:24,660
Cassettes are annoying.
1356
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:27,030
I don't care who thinks they're cool.
1357
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:27,863
They're dumb.
1358
00:59:27,863 --> 00:59:31,090
Nah, they're, see, ah, cassettes.
1359
00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:32,160
God.
1360
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,740
Such a bummer.
1361
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:35,281
- This is tedious.
1362
00:59:35,281 --> 00:59:38,464
(Trey laughs)
1363
00:59:38,464 --> 00:59:42,381
♪ I can't see where I am going ♪
1364
00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:54,493
We still got a,
1365
00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:57,173
a ways.
1366
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,030
- How do you think it sounds?
- Terrible.
1367
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:03,863
Awful.
1368
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:05,813
Like-
1369
01:00:05,813 --> 01:00:06,646
- Can you lower it all the way down
1370
01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:08,218
and let me ask you again?
1371
01:00:08,218 --> 01:00:09,110
- How do you think it sounds?
1372
01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:09,943
- Terrible.
1373
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:13,070
Like, why?
1374
01:00:13,070 --> 01:00:14,070
- [Man] All right, pull it up
1375
01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:16,078
so we don't miss the transition.
1376
01:00:16,078 --> 01:00:19,078
(upbeat rock music)
1377
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,854
- There we go.
1378
01:00:24,854 --> 01:00:26,050
(laughing)
1379
01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:28,610
- Good transition.
- There you go.
1380
01:00:28,610 --> 01:00:30,230
The power of the pause button.
1381
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:31,960
(laughing)
1382
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,667
- So is that like a quality transition or-
1383
01:00:34,667 --> 01:00:36,359
- [Robert] Yes.
1384
01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:37,192
It's pretty good.
1385
01:00:37,192 --> 01:00:38,140
- My Dad approves.
1386
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:39,930
- And I preferred actually making mix CDs
1387
01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:43,500
because I had much more
control over what you could do.
1388
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:47,202
And it was easier to make
the flow happen, to control,
1389
01:00:47,202 --> 01:00:50,400
like you never had a song
cut off halfway through.
1390
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,170
- The downside is sometimes
you want to fucking get out
1391
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:55,660
of that song earlier than is allowed,
1392
01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:57,680
and it's kind of a pain in the ass to do
1393
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,660
unless you have the right equipment.
1394
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:02,330
Like, it took me forever to figure out
1395
01:01:02,330 --> 01:01:04,120
that I could end a song early on iTunes,
1396
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,810
so I'd just have to play that bitch out.
1397
01:01:05,810 --> 01:01:07,900
Like, damn I wish that would
have ended two minutes ago
1398
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,910
but I really want that song
on there, so here it is.
1399
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:13,510
- My daughter has
literally never owned a CD.
1400
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:18,094
In middle school, I guess,
she'd have an iPod in the car,
1401
01:01:18,094 --> 01:01:20,300
and a song would come on
that I would like and I'd,
1402
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:21,820
oh what's that song?
1403
01:01:21,820 --> 01:01:25,730
And she wouldn't have any
idea what the, whose song
1404
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:29,360
or anything, because what
she would do with her friends
1405
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,240
is trade what were iPods, like 40 gigs?
1406
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,283
20 gigs, 40 gigs?
1407
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:37,530
Just trade an iPod with someone.
1408
01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:40,750
Just a whole musical library and world.
1409
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:43,670
- For me, the most
important thing is the song.
1410
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:46,950
You know, it's not the
thing that carries the song.
1411
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:47,890
- I love change.
1412
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:49,490
I welcome change.
1413
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:52,500
I think that people need change to grow.
1414
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:57,500
I also think that, you
know, everything always too
1415
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:58,790
comes full circle.
1416
01:01:58,790 --> 01:02:01,990
So, as you can see, LPs are coming back
1417
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:04,520
and now cassettes are starting
to come back around again.
1418
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,060
So I think the mix tape is ever-evolving.
1419
01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:12,850
- I think that cassettes
are back pretty strong.
1420
01:02:12,850 --> 01:02:16,057
The first one that I put
out with a label was 2009,
1421
01:02:16,057 --> 01:02:19,410
and I had no idea that they
were on the rise since then.
1422
01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:21,860
There's a bunch of
labels, and then even some
1423
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:25,550
of the mainstream labels have
put out cassette versions.
1424
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:27,810
- Nothing's really changed
at the end of the day.
1425
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:31,030
At the end of the day, people
you trust mention something
1426
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:33,610
or play you something that
you think you would like.
1427
01:02:33,610 --> 01:02:37,670
The process of how that happens
just kind of has a new face.
1428
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:40,480
But at the end of the
day, it's always people
1429
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,704
who have like minds sharing music.
1430
01:02:43,704 --> 01:02:48,704
- I feel that anytime a human
being gets to be creative
1431
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,090
is an important thing.
1432
01:02:51,090 --> 01:02:54,290
And I understand there's
nostalgia and I understand
1433
01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:57,993
that people want to hold onto
what they've had in the past,
1434
01:02:57,993 --> 01:03:01,780
but the past is the past and
we need to embrace new stuff.
1435
01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:04,460
Making a mix tape is
a creative expression.
1436
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:07,390
But I also think making a
playlist is a creative expression.
1437
01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:10,430
But I also think, you know,
looking somebody in the eye
1438
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:14,137
and telling them I love
you is as significant
1439
01:03:14,137 --> 01:03:17,329
as handing them a mix tape.
1440
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:19,912
(upbeat music)
1441
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:26,860
- The last great mix tape
that I made was for a girl
1442
01:03:27,610 --> 01:03:29,790
that I started dating named Jennifer.
1443
01:03:29,790 --> 01:03:32,220
After we went out on a couple of dates
1444
01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:34,730
and I'm like okay, now it's time.
1445
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:38,120
I must make the greatest
mix tape of all mix tapes.
1446
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:43,120
- I knew already that I
liked him very very much,
1447
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,130
but I was not able to express that to him,
1448
01:03:47,130 --> 01:03:49,030
so he was very unsure.
1449
01:03:49,030 --> 01:03:52,840
But he gave me the tape and I loved it.
1450
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,760
And it said "Songs for My Friend Jenn",
1451
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,530
and I was disheartened.
1452
01:03:56,530 --> 01:03:57,750
Terribly disheartened.
1453
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:59,850
Because I didn't want him to be my friend.
1454
01:04:00,790 --> 01:04:05,210
So I went for a drive with my
friend Mike G and we listened
1455
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:10,100
to the tape, over and over and over again.
1456
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:14,600
We broke apart every word of every song,
1457
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,110
trying to decide if he was
giving me a secret message
1458
01:04:18,110 --> 01:04:20,980
that actually said I
love you and I want you
1459
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:21,940
to have my babies.
1460
01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:25,078
- So I think there are two contenders
1461
01:04:25,078 --> 01:04:30,000
for what could be the song
that locked it for me.
1462
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,690
There is, one of them is a cover.
1463
01:04:33,690 --> 01:04:37,460
It's Belly, featuring Tanya Donnelly,
1464
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:41,190
covering a song from The Jungle
Book called "Trust in Me."
1465
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:44,680
Which I think was sort of like a message
1466
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,970
like I'm a good guy, I'm not
a bad guy, you can trust me.
1467
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:50,980
And then there's also a song
1468
01:04:50,980 --> 01:04:52,901
by a British band called Revolver
1469
01:04:52,901 --> 01:04:54,860
called "Painting Pictures."
1470
01:04:54,860 --> 01:04:56,460
- Have you heard that song?
1471
01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:58,510
It's by Revolver, "Painting Pictures."
1472
01:04:58,510 --> 01:05:01,970
It is beautiful, something
like you're painting pictures
1473
01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:03,120
in my mind again.
1474
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,473
And I just fantasized that I was,
1475
01:05:06,473 --> 01:05:08,157
that he would sit around
and think about me
1476
01:05:08,157 --> 01:05:11,580
and that he would have the same feelings
1477
01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:13,610
for me that I had for him.
1478
01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:15,920
So, but it was the Belly song.
1479
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,260
It was Belly for sure.
1480
01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:21,610
- We dated for three
years, got married in 1998
1481
01:05:21,610 --> 01:05:26,133
and we'll celebrate our
19th wedding anniversary
1482
01:05:26,133 --> 01:05:28,481
in May of this year.
1483
01:05:28,481 --> 01:05:29,564
So it worked.
1484
01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:33,747
- I did have a preconceived
notion when I heard your music.
1485
01:05:33,747 --> 01:05:35,710
It was the first time in my life I ever
1486
01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:37,970
thought I'm old and I don't understand.
1487
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:39,280
- But when did you first hear it?
1488
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,280
- Right before we were
going on tour with you.
1489
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,160
- We met on tour.
1490
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,550
- Yeah, we met on tour and so they were
1491
01:05:43,550 --> 01:05:44,383
like you're going to open
1492
01:05:44,383 --> 01:05:45,380
for this band Mindless Self Indulgence.
1493
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:48,010
I'm like let me go to
MySpace and check this out.
1494
01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:50,223
And I went and heard "Bitches."
1495
01:05:50,223 --> 01:05:52,332
♪ Bitches love me cause
they know that I can rock ♪
1496
01:05:52,332 --> 01:05:54,820
♪ Bitches love me cause
they know that I can rhyme ♪
1497
01:05:54,820 --> 01:05:56,950
I don't understand music anymore.
1498
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:59,083
I guess I'm officially old.
1499
01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:01,142
- At 22.
- 22.
1500
01:06:01,142 --> 01:06:02,790
And I was like there we go.
1501
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:03,760
- I'm an old lady.
1502
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,067
- And then I saw him
perform and I was like,
1503
01:06:06,067 --> 01:06:07,840
well, first I met him and I was like,
1504
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,230
this guy is exceptionally
nice and outgoing.
1505
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:13,290
And then I was like, and
he's an incredible performer.
1506
01:06:13,290 --> 01:06:15,040
And then we hooked up in a stairwell.
1507
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,050
And it was-
- Yeah.
1508
01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:19,510
- I remember when I started
working in record stores,
1509
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:23,120
I thought, I'm gonna meet
my wife in a record store.
1510
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,090
One day I am going to just turn around
1511
01:06:27,090 --> 01:06:30,180
and this beautiful girl is
going to be standing there
1512
01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:33,410
and she's going to be holding
all of my favorite records,
1513
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:36,340
and that's how our
romance is going to begin.
1514
01:06:36,340 --> 01:06:39,000
And 21 years of working in record stores,
1515
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,353
I can tell you that moment never arrived.
1516
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:46,500
But one thing that hit
me later on was realizing
1517
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,790
that the only way that a
relationship would work
1518
01:06:50,790 --> 01:06:54,300
between myself and someone
that loved music just
1519
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:56,770
as much as I did, or do,
1520
01:06:56,770 --> 01:07:00,400
is if we liked exactly the same thing.
1521
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,550
And if I found myself in a relationship
1522
01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:07,000
with someone that loved
black metal or jazz
1523
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,583
or other things that I don't listen to,
1524
01:07:09,583 --> 01:07:13,020
it wouldn't be a successful
relationship at all.
1525
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:18,020
So I'm very happy that I
found a partner in Marcie,
1526
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:24,924
someone who is willing to go
along for the ride with me,
1527
01:07:24,924 --> 01:07:29,050
and in the process
fallen in music with me.
1528
01:07:29,050 --> 01:07:30,370
- You grow up your whole life thinking
1529
01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:32,790
that your partner has to
like the exact same things
1530
01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:35,362
as you and, when you're a teenager,
1531
01:07:35,362 --> 01:07:36,357
you're like he's doesn't like that band,
1532
01:07:36,357 --> 01:07:38,736
I'm going to break up with him.
1533
01:07:38,736 --> 01:07:39,730
- Idiot.
1534
01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:42,640
- But then when you
get older I appreciate,
1535
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,610
I don't hate anything he likes,
1536
01:07:44,610 --> 01:07:47,290
but it's not what my number one choice
1537
01:07:47,290 --> 01:07:48,220
would be to listen to.
1538
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:49,053
So-
1539
01:07:49,053 --> 01:07:49,970
- Our kid is gonna be fucked up.
1540
01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:51,507
- Yeah, they are gonna be an issue.
1541
01:07:51,507 --> 01:07:53,560
- Because they're gonna be
listening to old school hip hop,
1542
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,170
new wave, upbeat '60s.
- Upbeat '60s.
1543
01:07:56,170 --> 01:07:57,440
- Classical music.
- Classical.
1544
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,140
- A lot of Pink Floyd.
- Pink Floyd.
1545
01:07:59,140 --> 01:08:00,353
- Enya.
- Enya.
1546
01:08:00,353 --> 01:08:01,186
- Big Eyna.
1547
01:08:01,186 --> 01:08:02,144
- So it's gonna be-
1548
01:08:02,144 --> 01:08:03,735
I don't know what that artist is gonna be-
1549
01:08:03,735 --> 01:08:06,260
- Come back to us in like
20-some odd years and talk
1550
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:07,910
to our future child, yeah.
1551
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:11,260
- When we got the box out
and we're looking through,
1552
01:08:11,260 --> 01:08:14,460
and Jen pulls a couple
tapes out and she's like,
1553
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:18,710
oh wow our friend made some
really nice mix tapes for me.
1554
01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:22,704
And I'm like, hey Jen, I think he wanted
1555
01:08:22,704 --> 01:08:24,100
to be more than friends with you.
1556
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,020
She's like, "Really?"
1557
01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:27,150
I'm like, oh, you think?
1558
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:29,590
Just look at the track listing.
1559
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:31,834
You look at all the artwork.
1560
01:08:31,834 --> 01:08:35,020
To be fair, to be honest-
- That's a lot of work.
1561
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:37,990
- He put a little more effort
into the artwork than I did.
1562
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:42,920
I mean, maybe my simple
plan worked out better
1563
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,030
but that's, you know-
- Quality over quantity.
1564
01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:47,220
- A for effort.
1565
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:49,730
- Seriously, that's a lot of work.
1566
01:08:49,730 --> 01:08:50,563
- Yeah.
1567
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:53,730
- [Jenn] But, I mean it made me smile.
1568
01:08:53,730 --> 01:08:58,730
- I incorrectly thought that perhaps James
1569
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,240
and I went on a date to
the Metropolitan Museum
1570
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,900
and made mixes and
traded and walked around.
1571
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:07,095
But maybe I did that with somebody else.
1572
01:09:07,095 --> 01:09:08,665
- That might have been someone else.
1573
01:09:08,665 --> 01:09:09,930
- But it was a great experience.
1574
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:12,000
If only I could remember
who was on the other end
1575
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,083
of that mix.
1576
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,250
But just know-
- I gotta go.
1577
01:09:16,250 --> 01:09:18,930
- It didn't last.
- It didn't?
1578
01:09:18,930 --> 01:09:20,110
- Yeah.
- Oh thank God.
1579
01:09:20,110 --> 01:09:21,770
- Just so you know.
1580
01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:26,170
So that's one I can think
of, incorrectly, in my mind.
1581
01:09:26,170 --> 01:09:28,097
Well, I'm just going to put
your face over that memory.
1582
01:09:28,097 --> 01:09:29,874
- Yeah, just put my face on that memory.
1583
01:09:29,874 --> 01:09:31,010
It'll just be little cutout pictures.
1584
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:33,631
- We have a lot of great
memories at the Museum of Nat,
1585
01:09:33,631 --> 01:09:36,410
at the Metropolitan Museum.
1586
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:37,870
It's where we got engaged.
1587
01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:40,634
Because of our great
moments like making mixes
1588
01:09:40,634 --> 01:09:41,512
and walking around.
1589
01:09:41,512 --> 01:09:42,440
(both laughing)
1590
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:46,360
- But he is now married with two kids
1591
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:51,220
and I guarantee you he made
for his wife mix tapes.
1592
01:09:51,220 --> 01:09:52,053
for sure.
1593
01:09:52,053 --> 01:09:54,980
I'm sure if you asked her,
she would have a mix tape
1594
01:09:54,980 --> 01:09:57,840
like this and be like, oh this
is the clincher, right here.
1595
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,230
- I maybe about five or six years ago,
1596
01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:06,230
I just kind of had a craving to as closely
1597
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:09,590
as we possibly could
1598
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:12,620
from a long distance
recreate the experience
1599
01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:15,550
of me sitting with you in the stereo room
1600
01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:19,150
and you playing songs for
me, that meant a lot to you.
1601
01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:23,897
So I asked you to make me
this mix tape of deep cuts
1602
01:10:24,768 --> 01:10:27,197
from different artists that you liked.
1603
01:10:27,197 --> 01:10:30,070
And not only did you do that for me,
1604
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:35,070
you also included these
handwritten notes about
1605
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:38,513
what the songs mean to you.
1606
01:10:39,423 --> 01:10:41,220
- Some of them were obscure,
1607
01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:44,163
like the song "Jay" by Grace Slick.
1608
01:10:45,471 --> 01:10:48,183
I never hear that on the radio.
1609
01:10:48,183 --> 01:10:49,840
I don't know if I've ever
heard that on the radio,
1610
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,577
but it was always special to us.
1611
01:10:51,577 --> 01:10:54,410
"Emperor of Wyoming",
Neil Young, which I think
1612
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:58,740
is just a brilliant instrumental piece.
1613
01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:03,410
Always evokes memories of
a different time and place.
1614
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:06,130
And I wanted Chris to
hear things that kind
1615
01:11:06,130 --> 01:11:09,010
of moved his old man as a younger man.
1616
01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:12,850
- The most interesting and
weird part of being a dad
1617
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:15,460
is I started off with like my duty
1618
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:18,390
to give my son a musical education,
1619
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:20,660
and now he gives it right back to me,
1620
01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:23,730
which is weird, but great.
1621
01:11:23,730 --> 01:11:25,150
Remember the first mix I made you?
1622
01:11:25,150 --> 01:11:25,983
- Mm-hmm.
1623
01:11:25,983 --> 01:11:28,631
- Yeah, because it's right
here in front of you.
1624
01:11:28,631 --> 01:11:29,790
Handy!
1625
01:11:29,790 --> 01:11:33,150
- I was in kindergarten
when he gave that to me.
1626
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:36,163
So that was pre-9/11.
1627
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:42,570
So I was like five, like four.
1628
01:11:42,570 --> 01:11:45,220
It was right before Clay
was born, my little brother.
1629
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:49,760
So it's "Barracuda", "Better
Living Through Chemistry",
1630
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,290
some Queens of the Stone
Age, "Highway Star",
1631
01:11:52,290 --> 01:11:55,490
Deep Purple, "We Will Rock
You", "We Are the Champions",
1632
01:11:55,490 --> 01:12:00,410
they like have to go together,
you know "Lust for Life",
1633
01:12:00,410 --> 01:12:04,090
Iggy Pop, the best, then "Fox
on the Run", "Killy Kill",
1634
01:12:04,090 --> 01:12:06,650
which is Rocket from the Crypt
1635
01:12:06,650 --> 01:12:09,230
like one of the weirdest bands.
1636
01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:13,447
Then there's side B, "Have a
Drink on Me", "Crazy On You",
1637
01:12:13,447 --> 01:12:15,800
"I'll Stick Around",
first Foo Fighters album,
1638
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,780
the best Foo Fighters
album, "King of the Road",
1639
01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:22,560
which introduced me to my
favorite band ever, Fu Manchu.
1640
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,440
- I did not know what kind of can of worms
1641
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,270
I was opening giving him Fu Manchu.
1642
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:27,103
Good God.
1643
01:12:27,103 --> 01:12:27,936
- The stoner rock.
1644
01:12:27,936 --> 01:12:30,531
- The one song that I
remember listening to
1645
01:12:30,531 --> 01:12:35,531
and really being moved by was "Oh Well."
1646
01:12:35,942 --> 01:12:39,110
And I remember we had a
conversation about that
1647
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:39,943
and you said,
1648
01:12:39,943 --> 01:12:43,710
this is the sound of Peter
Green losing his mind.
1649
01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:45,810
And that is exactly what it is.
1650
01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:50,810
It's a song that recreates
a psychotic break.
1651
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:55,570
And every time I hear it,
I hear your voice kind of
1652
01:12:55,570 --> 01:12:56,763
talking me through it.
1653
01:12:57,599 --> 01:13:00,250
And yeah it's an amazing song.
1654
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:04,850
- I was pleased to hear
HAIM do a version of it.
1655
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:05,690
- Yeah.
1656
01:13:05,690 --> 01:13:08,490
- I love "Oh Well", I think
it's an incredible song.
1657
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:12,018
And I thought they rocked with it also.
1658
01:13:12,018 --> 01:13:12,851
- Wow.
1659
01:13:12,851 --> 01:13:14,363
But they leave the ambient part out,
1660
01:13:15,656 --> 01:13:16,913
the ambient part is the best part.
1661
01:13:16,913 --> 01:13:18,160
- Chris prefers the ambient part.
1662
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,293
- Yes.
1663
01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:21,560
- Which is a fine piece of music also.
1664
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,500
- Yeah, because I mean it's just charging
1665
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,910
through this rocking blues riff,
1666
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:29,310
and then all of a sudden
it just turns into mist.
1667
01:13:29,310 --> 01:13:32,680
And that's the most powerful
part of the song for me.
1668
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:33,830
- It's a great contrast.
1669
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:38,373
The electric explosion,
and then segue into that-
1670
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,420
- That somber instrumental.
1671
01:13:41,420 --> 01:13:42,253
Yeah.
1672
01:13:42,253 --> 01:13:44,910
- I mean, this mix tape
just made me who I was.
1673
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:48,480
I don't really care for
curating playlists anymore.
1674
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,330
The last one I did is for my girlfriend,
1675
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:54,313
that's pretty much a
version two of this thing.
1676
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:58,470
I don't think I've shown you
before, but it's pretty rad.
1677
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:59,303
I should give it to you.
1678
01:13:59,303 --> 01:14:00,350
- Well, I mean, you don't have to share
1679
01:14:00,350 --> 01:14:02,040
the mix tape you gave to
your girlfriend with me.
1680
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,532
- I mean, it's a good mix tape though!
1681
01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:06,592
(both laugh)
1682
01:14:06,592 --> 01:14:11,592
- I remember really looking
forward to those moments
1683
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:16,223
where we could be in the room together,
1684
01:14:16,223 --> 01:14:20,640
listening to music me asking
you to put on certain songs,
1685
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,053
you putting on certain songs
that meant a lot to you,
1686
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:26,893
that now mean a lot to me.
1687
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:31,060
But yeah, I mean, sharing music with you
1688
01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:37,430
is by far the most cherished
memory that I have.
1689
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:40,420
- My little bro Keenan,
who is married to Leslie,
1690
01:14:40,420 --> 01:14:42,680
drummer of The Red Aunts, Leslie Ishino,
1691
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,640
he now makes crazy
bizarre old comic books.
1692
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,500
He's got this one called "THE HUMANS",
1693
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:52,260
about an ape biker gang, and
he made a mix tape for it.
1694
01:14:52,260 --> 01:14:54,660
He invited a bunch of bands
to do stuff just inspired
1695
01:14:54,660 --> 01:14:57,850
by the comic, and each issue
1696
01:14:57,850 --> 01:15:01,440
at the back had a link
to download the songs.
1697
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,550
And then they put it out
hardform on cassette.
1698
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:06,527
Smelly Tongues is one
of Lesley's other bands.
1699
01:15:06,527 --> 01:15:09,490
She is a prolific musician whose played
1700
01:15:09,490 --> 01:15:13,020
in other bands like
Alaska and now Red Aunts.
1701
01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:14,770
So Smelly Tongues is one of hers.
1702
01:15:14,770 --> 01:15:16,250
They still crank stuff out on cassette,
1703
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:18,733
which is awesomely retro and weird.
1704
01:15:19,627 --> 01:15:21,420
But yeah, it's always been a family thing.
1705
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:23,470
- When you open the box, you're like wow.
1706
01:15:24,608 --> 01:15:26,890
It's really fun to remember,
1707
01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:31,890
to reminisce about those
times and what they meant,
1708
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:35,182
and what you felt when you made them,
1709
01:15:35,182 --> 01:15:39,043
or when you were given them
and when you listened to them.
1710
01:15:41,170 --> 01:15:42,250
I mean, that's what it's all about.
1711
01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:44,620
It's about inspiring emotion.
1712
01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:49,230
It's about making somebody feel.
1713
01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:51,050
- I previewed some of them this morning,
1714
01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:54,370
and it just takes me back
to that spot of being 14
1715
01:15:54,370 --> 01:15:57,460
and awkward and having
fun with this friend,
1716
01:15:57,460 --> 01:16:00,220
being careless, listening to mix tapes
1717
01:16:00,220 --> 01:16:01,730
and not having a care in the world.
1718
01:16:01,730 --> 01:16:03,560
- My cousin just sent
me shout out, thank you,
1719
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,777
Danny sent me all of these
old tapes that he and I made.
1720
01:16:06,777 --> 01:16:10,667
And it brought me to
a time that, you know,
1721
01:16:10,667 --> 01:16:13,970
we were just like, we were
just some country-ass kids
1722
01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:17,363
in a fuckin' town outside of
Detroit, like, with nothing.
1723
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:22,410
And it's like 20 years later,
1724
01:16:22,410 --> 01:16:26,750
and I don't see half those kids anymore
1725
01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:28,153
and I'm out here in LA.
1726
01:16:29,725 --> 01:16:31,663
And like, it's like, damn,
1727
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:36,370
came a long way from government housing.
1728
01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:37,769
- I'm not a sentimental person.
1729
01:16:37,769 --> 01:16:38,602
I don't want to be young,
1730
01:16:38,602 --> 01:16:41,059
I don't want to live in
the past, but it's so great
1731
01:16:41,059 --> 01:16:44,480
to be able to put on
a 30-year-old cassette
1732
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:45,630
and have it work.
1733
01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:48,280
You put on a certain song,
you go back to that last year
1734
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,200
in high school, all the
sudden you are there.
1735
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,690
You start sweating, your breath dries up.
1736
01:16:53,690 --> 01:16:54,523
You put on the song
1737
01:16:54,523 --> 01:16:58,030
that you remember a certain
relationship you had from,
1738
01:16:58,030 --> 01:17:00,410
and all the sudden you get
moisture around the eyes.
1739
01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:04,210
It's nice to take that trip now and then.
1740
01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:05,650
- A movie is an hour and a half,
1741
01:17:05,650 --> 01:17:09,680
a short is 15 minutes, but
a song can be two minutes
1742
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,513
or five minutes,
1743
01:17:10,513 --> 01:17:11,980
but it's still these little
1744
01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:15,870
compact hyper-dense emotional moments.
1745
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:17,470
That moment that you
have when you hear a song
1746
01:17:17,470 --> 01:17:19,930
and it makes you fuckin',
your skin suddenly feels
1747
01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:21,310
like the place you were at when you,
1748
01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:22,630
that's a fucking physical reaction.
1749
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:24,170
That's actually happening.
1750
01:17:24,170 --> 01:17:25,403
That's not magic.
1751
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:28,090
- I think there's a good
argument that there's
1752
01:17:28,090 --> 01:17:32,800
nothing more iconic musically
1753
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,150
that crosses more sort
of genres and cultures
1754
01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:37,240
or whatever than mix tapes.
1755
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,630
- [Robert] How did she react to it?
1756
01:17:39,630 --> 01:17:41,020
- She thought it was really cool.
1757
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020
She was like, what are all these bands?
1758
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,500
I don't know anything.
1759
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:46,987
She was a total like Black Sabbath
1760
01:17:46,987 --> 01:17:49,630
and Rob Zombie kinda girl.
1761
01:17:49,630 --> 01:17:53,870
And she didn't know half of these tracks.
1762
01:17:53,870 --> 01:17:57,053
And I'm like, how do you
think you know what music is?
1763
01:17:58,530 --> 01:17:59,730
- You don't know "Nebula?"
1764
01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:00,563
You don't know nothing!
1765
01:18:00,563 --> 01:18:02,249
- Seriously.
1766
01:18:02,249 --> 01:18:05,466
(all laughing)
1767
01:18:05,466 --> 01:18:07,540
- [Man] This is peasant music.
1768
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:10,370
- That's why I don't go outside
and meet people anymore.
1769
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:11,409
They're lesser.
1770
01:18:11,409 --> 01:18:14,262
(laughing)
1771
01:18:14,262 --> 01:18:16,070
- Oh, I've made a monster.
1772
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:16,903
Jesus Christ.
1773
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:20,530
- Okay, so,
1774
01:18:20,530 --> 01:18:23,310
all day the guys have been actually
1775
01:18:23,310 --> 01:18:25,973
helping me make a tape for you.
1776
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:29,240
Wait, you've been what have
you been doing all day?
1777
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,540
- I've been making a mix tape for you.
1778
01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:32,380
- Okay.
1779
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:33,572
- So here it is.
1780
01:18:33,572 --> 01:18:34,405
- Aw.
1781
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:36,103
It's gold.
1782
01:18:36,103 --> 01:18:37,220
- It's gold.
1783
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:41,523
So, we have all the songs
that are on the mix tape.
1784
01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:45,330
Then we just like went through each song
1785
01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:49,060
and decided what would go where.
1786
01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:51,169
So we just like numbered each.
1787
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:54,000
We knew at the very beginning
1788
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,420
that the two Beatles songs were gonna be
1789
01:18:56,420 --> 01:18:58,040
at the end of each side.
1790
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,580
- Oh, I like that.
1791
01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:00,413
It's thematic.
1792
01:19:00,413 --> 01:19:03,320
- So that was already set in place,
1793
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,340
and we kind of just worked
1794
01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:08,461
around that, to figure out what came when.
1795
01:19:08,461 --> 01:19:11,197
- Is there like a
loud-quiet-loud thing, or just a-
1796
01:19:11,197 --> 01:19:12,364
- It was just,
1797
01:19:13,230 --> 01:19:14,747
I mean, I guess.
- Kinda.
1798
01:19:15,610 --> 01:19:16,770
- Kinda?
1799
01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:18,320
All right, let's take a listen.
1800
01:19:26,472 --> 01:19:30,192
(upbeat rock music)
1801
01:19:30,192 --> 01:19:31,859
- That's a good one.
1802
01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:50,687
(vocalizing)
1803
01:19:52,448 --> 01:19:54,661
- [Man] It sounds decent on this.
1804
01:19:54,661 --> 01:19:57,826
It's good.
1805
01:19:57,826 --> 01:19:58,659
- Dad.
1806
01:19:58,659 --> 01:19:59,492
- Sorry.
1807
01:20:11,032 --> 01:20:12,493
♪ Something ♪
1808
01:20:12,493 --> 01:20:13,981
It's a good song.
1809
01:20:13,981 --> 01:20:14,814
Really good.
1810
01:20:14,814 --> 01:20:18,981
♪ Filled up my heart with nothing ♪
1811
01:20:25,138 --> 01:20:28,888
♪ Someone told me not to cry ♪
1812
01:20:35,755 --> 01:20:37,791
Do you remember playing this song?
1813
01:20:37,791 --> 01:20:38,721
- Playing it?
1814
01:20:38,721 --> 01:20:39,941
Yes.
1815
01:20:39,941 --> 01:20:43,130
- At the talent show.
- Yeah.
1816
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:45,525
Our family learned this song
1817
01:20:45,525 --> 01:20:49,083
and we played it at a school
talent show when I was like-
1818
01:20:49,083 --> 01:20:50,093
- Seven.
- Yeah.
1819
01:20:51,740 --> 01:20:53,134
August, what did August?
1820
01:20:53,134 --> 01:20:55,310
- He played guitar.
- And you played drums.
1821
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:56,448
- And I sang.
1822
01:20:56,448 --> 01:20:57,580
- Uncle Justin played bass.
1823
01:20:57,580 --> 01:20:59,163
- Yeah.
- That was good.
1824
01:21:02,881 --> 01:21:03,760
- Yeah.
1825
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:08,760
(upbeat rock music)
(vocalizing)
1826
01:21:18,633 --> 01:21:21,120
- A mix tape is
1827
01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:25,193
how you get laid.
1828
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:28,110
Right?
1829
01:21:28,110 --> 01:21:29,423
That's the correct answer?
1830
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:32,413
- Yeah, kinda.
1831
01:21:33,483 --> 01:21:38,483
♪ Hold your mistake up ♪
1832
01:21:39,994 --> 01:21:41,340
♪ Before they ♪
1833
01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:44,830
- I wonder if people will
ever get nostalgic about CDs,
1834
01:21:44,830 --> 01:21:49,090
and make a documentary
about mix-CDs, CD-R mixes,
1835
01:21:49,090 --> 01:21:50,180
stuff like that.
1836
01:21:50,180 --> 01:21:51,520
Is that the sequel?
1837
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,570
That's the sequel to this.
1838
01:21:52,570 --> 01:21:53,720
Maybe.
- Let's finish this one first.
1839
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,203
- You're not feeling it so much.
1840
01:21:55,203 --> 01:21:57,729
- Digital Love?
- Yeah, Digital Love?
1841
01:21:57,729 --> 01:21:58,562
Yeah, you never know.
1842
01:21:58,562 --> 01:21:59,969
- [Man] Give it another decade.
1843
01:21:59,969 --> 01:22:02,440
(upbeat rock music)
1844
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:03,400
- I used to go to museums
1845
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,500
and listen to mixes all the time,
1846
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:06,850
and I loved walking and
listening to mixes in New York.
1847
01:22:06,850 --> 01:22:08,840
- Walking in New York.
1848
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,020
- Walking in New York and listening
1849
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,570
to your putting your headphones
in and walking super fast.
1850
01:22:12,570 --> 01:22:13,410
- So, you put headphones in.
1851
01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:15,311
I had a little cassette.
1852
01:22:15,311 --> 01:22:16,650
- What, you'd walk like this?
1853
01:22:16,650 --> 01:22:18,370
- I was like a guy from the '60s,
1854
01:22:18,370 --> 01:22:21,403
but with industrial
music on, walking around.
1855
01:22:21,403 --> 01:22:22,670
- What a dork.
1856
01:22:22,670 --> 01:22:24,930
- A lot of it is just me.
1857
01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:25,993
Rollins Band.
1858
01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:30,243
Just when you go live,
1859
01:22:33,688 --> 01:22:36,283
there's just tons of examples of,
1860
01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:41,530
we would tape every night.
1861
01:22:42,510 --> 01:22:45,240
And so you do that for enough decades
1862
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:50,240
and you end up being the steward
of, it's heavy stuff too.
1863
01:22:53,052 --> 01:22:56,140
The analog media is literally heavy.
1864
01:22:56,140 --> 01:22:59,040
In the Black Flag days, I'd
have all these cassettes.
1865
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,803
I'd have to find someone I
knew who I could trust and go,
1866
01:23:01,803 --> 01:23:04,830
can I put your stuff, my
stuff in your mom's guest room
1867
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:06,560
for like a year?
1868
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,451
These would live in boxes in milk crates
1869
01:23:09,451 --> 01:23:11,570
for like 12 months at a time.
1870
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:12,700
A smaller version.
1871
01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:15,010
The Black Flag era collection,
1872
01:23:15,010 --> 01:23:16,960
which would be the Birthday party stuff.
1873
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,220
About half.
1874
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:20,330
But it would live in boxes
1875
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:23,890
at my one normal friend's mom's place,
1876
01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:26,380
and between tours I would
go over to her place and go,
1877
01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:28,420
hi, I'm your son's friend.
1878
01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:29,910
Can I go in that room?
1879
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:31,323
She's like, "Yeah.
1880
01:23:31,323 --> 01:23:32,156
Weirdo."
1881
01:23:32,156 --> 01:23:35,656
(upbeat electronic music)
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