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- APS Films.
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- Savannah Chatham
911,
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what is you emergency?
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- This is 3131,
Robertson Avenue,
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We just heard gunshots.
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- Where is it coming
from?
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- In the area.
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- I just heard...
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I'm pretty sure it was
abour five or six gunshots.
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I heard some screams too,
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that's what made me go, "uh,
oh".
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Two neighbors are shot.
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- Two neighbors are
shot?
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- Yes, ma'am. They are
not moving.
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Him and his girlfriend are
laying on the porch right now,
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there's blood splatter
everywhere.
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Oh, my Lord God.
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They're not moving, they're just
shot,
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they're shot, dead.
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- I used to be
able to watch the news
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like a normal person,
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but that changed when my
family became the headline.
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My little sister, Alice,
was murdered in 2013,
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and I've been trying to
figure out how to live
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in this new reality ever since.
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I'm constantly trying to find a
balance
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between keeping too many
memories around,
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which could be painful,
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and keeping too few around
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which makes me feel like I'm
not honoring Alice properly.
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My children have stuffed
animals passed down
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from their aunt, Alice,
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although only my oldest
ever got to meet her.
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My daughter's middle name is
Alice,
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I even got a tattoo of
Alice across my heart,
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and a sunflower, which was
Alice's favorite flower.
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I've been reaching for anything
to feel connected to Alice,
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I even bought a convertible
like the one Alice had.
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It is some type of ridiculous,
expensive, tribute to her,
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I'm ready to give up the car
now.
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The money from the sale of
the car will fund this film.
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This is a better way to
keep her memory alive.
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- We are following
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a developing story right
now out of Thunderbolt,
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an overnight shooting in
which two people are dead.
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- That's right,
Mike,
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if you can see those
red stairs that lead up
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to the black door, we're told
that both of their bodies
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were found there.
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- Police
have identified 27 year old,
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Forrest Ison, and 24
year old Alice Stevens.
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- 27 year-old
Forrest Ison,
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and 24 year old Alice Stevens
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shot outside their Robertson
Avenue home.
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- One of the
victims died on the scene
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the other died on the way to the
hospital.
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- Look at you sitting
up, real fancy pants.
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Hi.
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- 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38,
39, 40.
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- All right.
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Sir, could you please
come close to the window?
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- Yes?
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- Welcome to Al Burger,
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would you like a for piece or a
six piece?
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- Six piece.
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- Okay.
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Have a nice day, sir.
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Come back to see us soon.
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- I'll camp out down here.
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- All right, let's all
lay down.
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- I'll camp out down here.
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- Well, we don't turn the light
out.
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Look up, look at the stars.
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Although I don't wanna forget
her,
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I also really don't wanna
feel like this forever.
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I've decided to attack
my feelings more head on.
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I'm gonna travel across the
country,
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meeting some of the most
important
people from Alice's life.
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And hopefully I can gain
a better understanding
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of who she was and how she
could meet this kind of end,
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and maybe even get some closure.
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- Carl's missing the
best day.
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- Eight, nine, 10.
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Everybody smile for the cameras.
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right there, and
wave.
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- Hi.
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- Say, we're on TV, yay.
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- We're on TV.
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- I met Alice, I'd say
she was around one or two.
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It was 1990, and I went up
to Maine, up to Kennebunk
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and walked in the house to
see this cute, little...
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I liked to call her Mowgli.
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- Beautiful, Alice.
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- When I think of Alice, I
think of an ethereal nymph.
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She would flit about from
one thing to the next,
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and she was fantastic at so many
things.
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It was almost as if she was
leaving a trail of sparkle
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wherever she went.
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- Let's see
what the maniac does.
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Hi, Alice.
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- It was a lot of fun,
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Alice was caring, loving,
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she just always lit up
the room when I was there.
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- When we came to visit, she
was always playing with boys
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and she's just always
just fun to be around.
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I can't remember the exact
time or place that we met,
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I just know that it was at
Cheverus.
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And I remember I had a hard
time when I first transferred,
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but as soon as I met Alice,
my year got so much better.
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Alice and I got our belly
buttons pierced together,
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and she was like, "Okay,
first step is ask your mom,
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second step is, I'll talk
you through the pain."
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Obviously I was definitely
afraid and she was fearless,
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and I said, the only way I
would do it is if she went first
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and if she documented it.
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So she brought her
camera and took pictures
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of several steps along the way.
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That was Alice getting ready
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to get her belly button pierced.
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This was Alice standing up,
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right before he put the needle
through her belly button.
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And this was as she was getting
her belly button pierced,
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he was actually putting the
needle in
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and I took a picture of her,
just to get her reaction,
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to know if I should be afraid.
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That's me getting my belly
button pierced,
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and that's me after I got it
done, super proud of myself.
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And that's the end product
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of us getting our belly
buttons pierced together.
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I still have mine, I
will never take it out.
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She was very loving, she was
very caring,
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she never wanted anyone to feel
left out.
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- At first I thought Gramps had
died,
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so, I mean, I was definitely
taken aback,
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but I kind of expected it over
that time
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'cause he was getting
very sick and all that.
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And then it hit me that
she had died and it...
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It was a terrible feeling that
day.
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- Maybe from my father, right?
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Our father, I'm pretty
matter of fact, to the point,
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I like to understand things,
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I quickly do better when I'm
trying to grasp and understand.
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Not that any death is
explainable but, you know,
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an accidental death or my
mother dying from cancer,
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you know, you kind of saw it
co ming,
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while tragic, at least
you had time to prepare.
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I mean, Alice was so young
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just getting started with her
life,
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I needed to try to make some
sense of what just happened.
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- They're ready?
- They're ready.
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- Thank you very much.
- Thank you.
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- Thanks.
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- Thank you.
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- Thank you.
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- How's it going?
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It's hot out here.
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- This is Jenny.
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- Hi, Jenny.
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- Jenny's the one who helped
me learn how to laugh again.
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- Oh, good.
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- You gotta get her picture.
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Could you get her picture?
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- Can you get her picture?
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- My friend, Jenny.
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- You still have her pictures?
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- Oh, you know I've got tons of
pictures.
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- Oh, I know, yeah.
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- So I can retrieve
anything that, you know?
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- Okay.
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- But the other thing is
that is that I went down
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to this storage unit and I want
you to see
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what I have to deal with.
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- Yeah, we'll go. Totally.
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Hmm, all right. Well,
we'll go by the beach
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and then we'll meet you
in about an hour, okay?
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- Okay, you
be careful, don't stay-
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- I'm not gonna go outside,
yeah.
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Bye, Jenny.
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Bye.
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- Have a good time tonight.
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Well, Alice, first of all
was attached to my leg.
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Do you remember that?
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I used to teach Sunday school
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and she was attached to
my leg, all the time.
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So this was one of Alice's
gymnastics pictures,
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she was really little then.
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She was up at the Maine Academy
then,
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so that must've been probably
about third or fourth grade.
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It was funny, she didn't do
exactly
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what they said to do either,
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so that was kinda hard for them.
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- What? In the photo, or?
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- Well, see her hand is kind of
loose,
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the others are kind of really,
you know?
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And they kept saying
you've got spaghetti arms,
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but she would never like
really...
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And of course the two of you.
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- But why is it cut?
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- I don't know
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- Why is it a broken
heart?
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- I know.
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Well, isn't that appropriate?
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These are some of her clothes
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that I haven't been
able to deal with them,
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Alice did this for her
graduation from high school.
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She always wore perfume which
gave me an asthma attack
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every time I was around her.
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She loved her dad, she
had that picture made.
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, I think, not
even asking me about it.
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Well, no, that's from Maine
actually,
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remember when she moved upstairs
and had that room up there?
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- Yes.
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- So we had everything very
colorful,
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and she wanted stars on the
ceiling and...
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Yup.
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Oh, and then this was out at
Phillips,
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that's rehearsal dinner and the
wedding.
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Look at you in here,
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and Alice was so sweet, aw.
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And then these are just pictures
that we took along the way,
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the Grand Canyon,
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and you were always holding
her hand, you were always...
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And look at this, you always
had your arm around her.
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She was always happy
with you, I have to say.
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- Growing up, Alice
and I were very, very close.
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I was very excited to
have a little sister.
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and being an older brother,
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I wanted to be super hands-on in
her life
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and I wanted to do things for
her.
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I've heard stories about
how Alice didn't learn
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to talk for a long time
because she would talk
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in this gibberish and I
would know what it was,
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and then I would just get
whatever it was
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that she wanted for her,
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because I didn't want her to
have to worry
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about learning English, I guess.
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My family used to spend
summers on Islesboro,
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an Island off the coast of
Maine,
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and we would bring friends and
have fun,
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and that's where I have my
fondest
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childhood memories with Alice.
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We went to school and
we had a lot of friends
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but we were always there for
each other.
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We were always pretty
much the only other person
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we felt like we could count on.
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- Well, this is Edwin,
he's...
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Good one, Edwin, run!
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Okay, turn around this way.
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Give Edwin a hug and say, good
job Edwin.
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- Good job, Edwin.
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- She used to journal,
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so that's something that
she did when she was little.
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- Recently, my
mother gave me access
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to Alice's old journals and
letters.
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I finally feel like I'm ready
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to go through them for the first
time.
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- Here's some
random stuff about me
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I'd like you to know if you
don't already.
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I was born in Bakersfield,
California, to my mom who was 16
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and in high school.
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My dad was half black and my mom
was 5'2,
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with blonde hair and blue eyes.
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I was adopted immediately,
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and within a day I was on my way
home
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in an old station in Maine,
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with my brother Ed, who
you'll be hearing a lot about,
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and my parents.
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I have three older brothers,
Ed is 19, Mark is 35,
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and Phillip would have been 42
this year.
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Phillip was the only one of my
brothers
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who experimented with drugs,
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he then became an alcoholic
and killed himself
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two months after his
second marriage, last July.
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My father used to smoke
cigarettes for years,
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he survived two different types
of cancer;
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One in his tongue and one in a
nerve
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on the right side of his face.
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He's had plastic surgery
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to make his face look
as normal as possible,
282
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yet there's only so much they
could fix.
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The most amazing thing I've ever
heard,
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was that before he went into his
surgery
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he told the doctor, "I don't
care about what I look like
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or how much people stare,
all I want you to do
287
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is to assure me I'll be
at my kids' graduations"
288
00:14:25,564 --> 00:14:28,000
- What about
studies? Was she studious?
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Was she bright?
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- You know, I don't really
remember her
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ever doing homework or studying,
292
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I feel like she was always
just having a good time.
293
00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:40,579
- Well, I think in ninth
grade we started worrying
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about her pranks, which weren't
so good.
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- And then that's-
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- Like what?
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- Well, you know, skipping
mass to go get a manicure.
298
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Did Audrey tell you about that?
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See?
300
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And then she was acting really
nasty
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if she didn't get her way about
things,
302
00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,571
and she really, you know, felt
that she needed new clothes,
303
00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:07,840
and she was talking about
the car she was gonna get,
304
00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:10,976
and it was just kind of
really getting out of control.
305
00:15:11,043 --> 00:15:12,011
- When you say
nasty,
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what kind of things would she
say?
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- She calls me a fucking biatch,
okay?
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Okay?
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I think Phillip's suicide,
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00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:28,427
and I think Penn's cancer
really, very deeply affected
her,
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and I think she realized
that she wanted to have fun.
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So we got really worried about
that,
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that she was gonna get into
trouble.
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So I was seeing a therapist
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to try to see what can I do for
Alice?
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00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:43,776
Well, she said, well, "Maybe
Alice will talk to me."
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So we made an agreement
that Alice was gonna go
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talk to this person for
three or four sessions, okay?
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Alice got in there and didn't
say a word,
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so I paid $125 for Alice
to go three or four weeks
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and not say a word.
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We had told her that
if she could get a job
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and get into one of her sports,
she wouldn't have to go,
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00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:14,306
and she just thought we were
kidding.
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She picked out a big rock,
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I don't know if you picked
out your own rock or what,
327
00:16:18,944 --> 00:16:20,412
but she had this big, heavy rock
328
00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:23,782
that she had to carry around
with her all the time.
329
00:16:23,849 --> 00:16:25,884
And on there were the burdens
that you were carrying
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with you and you were
trying to work through.
331
00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:33,726
- I really hate that
rock.
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I imagine myself hiking up a
huge mountain
333
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and at the top having a
revelation,
334
00:16:40,366 --> 00:16:41,667
and throwing Muffin off to a
place
335
00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:43,669
that I would never see him
again.
336
00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:46,939
But that moment never came.
337
00:16:47,706 --> 00:16:50,609
Muffin actually came home
with me on September 4th.
338
00:16:51,877 --> 00:16:54,947
I guess I realized that although
I know what needs to happen
339
00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,482
to get rid of muffin,
340
00:16:56,548 --> 00:16:59,485
I wasn't completely capable
of doing those things yet.
341
00:17:17,703 --> 00:17:19,705
- Here's some of her baby
clothes.
342
00:17:19,772 --> 00:17:22,441
This is the first outfit
she had coming home
343
00:17:22,541 --> 00:17:24,843
from the hospital, that size.
344
00:17:25,677 --> 00:17:27,046
We thought she was gonna be very
tiny
345
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'cause the mother was tiny, and
here she was two weeks late,
346
00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:32,151
so she was eight pounds, 14
ounces.
347
00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:38,323
Alice Stevens, 9/2/89.
348
00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:44,963
A little knick-knacks, baby
pillow.
349
00:17:45,097 --> 00:17:47,833
- The only person she ever
dismissed was her mom.
350
00:17:48,767 --> 00:17:50,836
I think she fought with her
mother
351
00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,172
more than the typical teenage
girl
352
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would fight with her mother.
353
00:17:54,473 --> 00:17:57,509
I don't really know where
the anger came from.
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00:17:58,544 --> 00:17:59,978
From what I could tell, Dorothy,
you know,
355
00:18:00,045 --> 00:18:02,581
she's a great mom, was and is.
356
00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:04,817
She, you know, always wanted to
make sure
357
00:18:04,883 --> 00:18:06,819
that Alice was happy
and taken care of her,
358
00:18:06,885 --> 00:18:10,055
so I don't really know
why it was strained,
359
00:18:10,122 --> 00:18:13,225
why there was issues.
360
00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:15,027
- Look at this, she had it a
little wrong.
361
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,429
This is daddy, daddy starts with
E.
362
00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:25,637
- Dorothy loved Alice beyond
measure,
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00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:29,241
she would do anything for that
girl.
364
00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:32,778
And Alice loved Dorothy
365
00:18:32,845 --> 00:18:38,016
and just wanted to be all
of the things she perceived,
366
00:18:38,517 --> 00:18:40,252
Dorothy wanting her to be.
367
00:18:40,986 --> 00:18:42,221
And so they were both setting
368
00:18:42,287 --> 00:18:45,324
their own impossible standards
to meet,
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00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,593
not realizing that if they just
stripped
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00:18:47,659 --> 00:18:51,130
all the rest of it away,
they loved each other
371
00:18:51,196 --> 00:18:52,764
and were enough for each other
already.
372
00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:55,567
- A couple more of Alice's
paintings
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00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,903
that I think she was just having
fun with,
374
00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:02,407
but I can't give them away,
375
00:19:04,209 --> 00:19:05,310
or throw them out.
376
00:19:06,945 --> 00:19:07,813
Oops.
377
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,449
Some more of her trying to be
organized.
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00:19:14,052 --> 00:19:15,554
Somebody gave her this.
379
00:19:53,625 --> 00:19:58,030
- I met him freshman year of
high school.
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00:19:58,096 --> 00:20:01,600
There was this girl in my
art class, freshman year,
381
00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:03,802
who had a huge crush on him,
382
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,405
and so she talked about him a
lot.
383
00:20:06,471 --> 00:20:09,875
And I remember her being very
upset
384
00:20:11,677 --> 00:20:14,780
and she said that he liked me.
385
00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:20,352
It's funny 'cause, after, him
and I dated the first time.
386
00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:23,322
My sister would always make
comments
387
00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:26,124
about, "You should get back with
Ed,
388
00:20:26,191 --> 00:20:27,159
you should get back with ed.
389
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:30,195
Remember Ed? Remember
when you used to date Ed?"
390
00:20:30,596 --> 00:20:32,831
And I would always get so
annoyed.
391
00:20:33,765 --> 00:20:34,933
I'd be like, "Yeah, I know.
392
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,770
I know he was the best guy
ever, and I let him go.
393
00:20:38,837 --> 00:20:41,039
I know you're rubbing it in my
face."
394
00:20:41,106 --> 00:20:43,609
And then when Ed and I
started talking again,
395
00:20:43,675 --> 00:20:47,279
she was like, "See, I
told you, I told you."
396
00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:52,184
So Ed went apartment searching
for us
397
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,719
while I was still in Maine,
398
00:20:53,785 --> 00:20:57,556
and he sent me this super
adorable video
399
00:20:57,623 --> 00:21:00,392
of him touring the apartment.
400
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,761
It was really nice.
401
00:21:04,796 --> 00:21:07,799
When we finally settled on this
house,
402
00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:10,235
we were both on the same page,
we both had the same vision,
403
00:21:10,302 --> 00:21:14,539
like we just... We could
see ourselves here together.
404
00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:18,043
- My soon to be wife at that
time, and I,
405
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:22,381
had just bought a house in
LA and we were very excited,
406
00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:24,616
and I had agreed to help
my old roommate move out
407
00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:26,918
of his apartment.
408
00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:29,888
So we go to get the U-Haul, I'm
already kind of stressed out
409
00:21:29,955 --> 00:21:31,256
'cause of getting married
at the end of the week,
410
00:21:31,323 --> 00:21:34,459
we have a kid on the way, we're
moving into the new house,
411
00:21:34,593 --> 00:21:36,628
but I had agreed to help her
move,
412
00:21:36,728 --> 00:21:39,665
so I felt like it was only
fair to fall through in it.
413
00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:42,134
And Ceci calls me.
414
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:46,805
- Ed's mom had called
me, like all in a panic,
415
00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:50,709
and she was like, "Well, I
need to get ahold of him,
416
00:21:50,842 --> 00:21:54,713
I have something to tell
him, I need to talk to him,"
417
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,214
but she wouldn't tell me
anything.
418
00:21:56,315 --> 00:22:01,386
And so I told her that I would
call him and let him know.
419
00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,891
- And she says, "I just
got a call from your mom,
420
00:22:06,591 --> 00:22:08,994
she seems really stressed out.
421
00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:13,465
And I wonder if you should
try to get ahold of her."
422
00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,067
So I finally get ahold of her
423
00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:17,703
when we're at Nate's
storage unit moving out,
424
00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:19,638
and she tells me.
425
00:22:21,773 --> 00:22:26,011
She said that Alice is dead.
426
00:22:27,045 --> 00:22:28,413
- The phone rings, and I see
it's Mimi,
427
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,048
and you could just tell.
428
00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:31,850
There was a pause, and there was
sobbing,
429
00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:34,219
and there was, you
know, right out with it,
430
00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:35,721
just Alice is dead.
431
00:22:35,787 --> 00:22:38,256
And, you know, I got weak in the
knees,
432
00:22:38,323 --> 00:22:41,126
I kind of went down to
my knees on the table,
433
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:42,427
and I was like...
434
00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:45,697
And I was just trying to say,
you know, like what happened,
435
00:22:45,764 --> 00:22:47,766
and then she said she was
murdered.
436
00:22:49,167 --> 00:22:51,636
You know, we didn't have a lot
of details,
437
00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:54,473
but she did mention Chief Bob
Merriman.
438
00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,143
- I got the call at my
residence,
439
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,012
I responded to Robertson Avenue.
440
00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:05,584
We interviewed the neighbors,
441
00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:07,085
it was called a canvas.
442
00:23:07,152 --> 00:23:12,324
So we canvassed the
neighborhood up and down,
443
00:23:12,991 --> 00:23:15,494
not only Robertson, but Casino,
Gilbert,
444
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,062
all the streets surrounding that
area.
445
00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:20,832
- I remember I said to him,
you know, how can I help?
446
00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:23,702
Like I just wanna understand,
and how can I help?
447
00:23:24,269 --> 00:23:27,672
And he basically said, "You
need to get here tomorrow."
448
00:23:29,007 --> 00:23:30,208
I found my way over to
Thunderbolt,
449
00:23:30,275 --> 00:23:32,811
and I met Chief Merriman
for the first time,
450
00:23:32,878 --> 00:23:35,213
you know, got a little
bit of a debrief from him.
451
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,350
Two people shot at point blank
range,
452
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,385
it was a gruesome scene.
453
00:23:40,452 --> 00:23:42,854
But he definitely spent a lot of
time
454
00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:45,957
getting me mentally prepared
to walk into that house.
455
00:23:48,693 --> 00:23:50,929
- It was a house like I would
expect,
456
00:23:50,996 --> 00:23:53,432
it was a little Southern
bungalow.
457
00:23:54,599 --> 00:24:00,005
We went inside, and the first
thing I noticed was the smell.
458
00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:02,040
- I mean, it was terrible.
459
00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:07,078
I mean, what we saw there was
awful.
460
00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:10,382
- What was it
like?
461
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:11,850
- Do you really wanna know.
462
00:24:11,917 --> 00:24:16,888
- There was shit, literally
animal shit on everything,
463
00:24:17,322 --> 00:24:21,560
everything, the bed, the
blanket, the pillows,
464
00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:23,128
the sofa, everything.
465
00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:28,400
And some of it was very old,
not a day old, not a week old,
466
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,435
like a month old.
467
00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:32,070
- And Alice always loved
animals,
468
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:35,574
so it didn't surprise me
that she would have animals,
469
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,509
but the smell told me
470
00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:41,046
that they weren't necessarily
cared for very well.
471
00:24:41,112 --> 00:24:43,915
- That's what Merriman
was really reacting to.
472
00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:46,918
I mean, this outside scene was
gruesome,
473
00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,821
but he started to understand
who Alice was, right?
474
00:24:49,888 --> 00:24:52,557
He understood her background,
who she came from,
475
00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:53,959
you know, the family.
476
00:24:54,025 --> 00:24:58,897
And he was like, I can't
fathom how they live like this.
477
00:25:00,298 --> 00:25:03,869
- I don't know what that cleared
up for me
478
00:25:03,935 --> 00:25:07,606
except that the picture
that I had in my head
479
00:25:07,672 --> 00:25:08,874
of the life Alice was living
480
00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:11,109
was not the same as the reality.
481
00:25:21,486 --> 00:25:22,621
- They built it for the person
482
00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:25,056
who doesn't like the traditional
school
483
00:25:25,123 --> 00:25:27,759
and is not living up to their
potential,
484
00:25:27,826 --> 00:25:30,495
and they got a lot of kids who
came there
485
00:25:30,562 --> 00:25:33,765
with behavior or drug problems.
486
00:25:33,832 --> 00:25:35,700
And Alice was very offended
487
00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,303
that we put her into that
situation,
488
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:40,939
because she hadn't done that at
that time.
489
00:25:42,841 --> 00:25:45,043
- She butted heads with her mom,
490
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:46,945
and I think she thought she was
going home
491
00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:48,613
after the wilderness program,
492
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,650
and I think that festered
into a lot of resentment.
493
00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:53,285
'Cause I think she had a
different idea
494
00:25:53,351 --> 00:25:54,686
coming out of the wilderness
program;
495
00:25:54,753 --> 00:25:56,087
If she did X, Y, Z,
496
00:25:56,154 --> 00:25:58,290
then she was gonna be able to go
home.
497
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,497
- She dated
someone there, at Oliverian,
498
00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,700
that probably had done some
things
499
00:26:08,767 --> 00:26:12,203
that she could never imagine
doing,
500
00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:15,774
but she really saw the
good in that person.
501
00:26:17,976 --> 00:26:19,511
- She seemed happy at
the Oliverian school,
502
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,479
but then she would say,
"Well, I'm just gonna learn
503
00:26:21,546 --> 00:26:24,583
all the things that these
other people are doing here,
504
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:25,850
all the bad stuff they do,
505
00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:29,120
so I'm just learning more
of that than anything."
506
00:26:29,955 --> 00:26:32,257
Whether the Oliverian
school helped or hurt her,
507
00:26:32,324 --> 00:26:33,191
I don't know.
508
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:46,905
- She got accepted at
the University of Denver,
509
00:26:46,972 --> 00:26:50,709
she got accepted at University
Of Loyola, in Chicago,
510
00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:53,778
she really got accepted at good
schools.
511
00:26:55,313 --> 00:26:57,882
She went to High Point
because the boyfriend
512
00:26:57,949 --> 00:26:59,184
got accepted there.
513
00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:03,922
- The first time I met Alice
was that High Point University.
514
00:27:03,989 --> 00:27:05,624
We were freshman year roommates,
515
00:27:05,824 --> 00:27:07,592
so I walked into her
freshman year dorm room
516
00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:10,895
and I just remember thinking
that she is so gorgeous.
517
00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:13,131
This girl is drop dead gorgeous.
518
00:27:13,198 --> 00:27:14,332
- We met the first night,
519
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:15,867
because we were all out in the
hall,
520
00:27:15,934 --> 00:27:17,902
but then we got a little bit
closer
521
00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:19,771
when it came to like going to
the cafe,
522
00:27:19,838 --> 00:27:21,339
and just being around each
other.
523
00:27:21,406 --> 00:27:25,143
- I went on a camping trip,
and I was the only one
524
00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:26,177
out of her friends going
on this camping trip.
525
00:27:26,244 --> 00:27:29,481
And I like opened my bag
in front of the instructor,
526
00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:33,084
and Alice had left me a
note in a giant black dildo,
527
00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:35,687
on top of all of my things.
528
00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:38,456
- Balls, that's what we called
her.
529
00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:40,525
'Cause the girl had balls.
530
00:27:41,259 --> 00:27:44,062
She was always there,
like we stuck together,
531
00:27:44,195 --> 00:27:47,399
and she didn't care enough to
worry
532
00:27:47,532 --> 00:27:48,800
about what you thought of her,
533
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,102
she was just giving you who she
is.
534
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:53,004
She always wanted everybody to
be happy,
535
00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:54,806
and she would do anything
to make you happy,
536
00:27:54,873 --> 00:27:56,441
whether it was bringing
in your favorite candy
537
00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,844
or just wanting to go for
a ride or listen to music.
538
00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:10,722
- Did you know
her when she was dating Dan?
539
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:12,023
- Yes.
540
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:12,724
- Do you know
about that whole thing?
541
00:28:12,791 --> 00:28:13,958
What happened there?
542
00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:17,195
- So, I actually got a
lot of those phone calls.
543
00:28:17,262 --> 00:28:19,130
Sometimes they would
argue in front of people
544
00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:21,366
and then he would get a little
violent,
545
00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,369
and me being the fake bad-ass
that I was,
546
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,004
I kept a bat in my car.
547
00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:27,439
And so I would go over there,
548
00:28:27,505 --> 00:28:29,708
and I think it happened three
times that I went over there
549
00:28:29,774 --> 00:28:32,577
and finally I had to sit down
with her one-on-one and say,
550
00:28:32,644 --> 00:28:37,082
"Listen, I'm not gonna hit
him, I just wanna scare him.
551
00:28:37,148 --> 00:28:39,551
But if you keep coming over
here,
552
00:28:39,617 --> 00:28:41,619
it's letting me know that
you really don't care
553
00:28:41,686 --> 00:28:43,154
what happens next."
554
00:28:43,988 --> 00:28:45,857
It was a tainted relationship
555
00:28:45,924 --> 00:28:47,692
that she definitely needed to
get out of,
556
00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:48,960
but it just ended up working out
557
00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:50,128
that he got kicked out of school
558
00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:53,098
and that was pretty much their
last draw.
559
00:28:53,164 --> 00:28:55,300
- I don't think Alice wanted to
admit it,
560
00:28:55,366 --> 00:28:57,535
that these were abusive
relationships,
561
00:28:57,602 --> 00:29:00,638
and even when she was
dating a really good guy
562
00:29:00,705 --> 00:29:04,476
she would make it become
like an abusive relationship.
563
00:29:04,542 --> 00:29:06,244
- Why? How?
564
00:29:06,311 --> 00:29:08,046
- So I think she would
initiate a lot of fights
565
00:29:08,113 --> 00:29:10,949
and try to like physically like
push them.
566
00:29:11,015 --> 00:29:13,151
Then when Forrest came into the
picture,
567
00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:15,453
this bad boy, you know?
568
00:29:15,553 --> 00:29:18,423
So that's kinda what changed
that.
569
00:29:20,391 --> 00:29:24,162
She saw this fun, rebellious,
attitude, older guy,
570
00:29:24,229 --> 00:29:27,065
so, yeah, she was drawn to that.
571
00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:35,507
Alice was a waitress at a
restaurant in High Point
572
00:29:35,573 --> 00:29:37,642
and Forrest was one of the chefs
there,
573
00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:40,812
and I do remember the first
few weeks of them meeting.
574
00:29:42,013 --> 00:29:45,016
He was a nice enough guy, but
it's just something about him,
575
00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,851
made us not really love
576
00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:49,020
that that was the influence on
Alice.
577
00:29:52,924 --> 00:29:55,693
- I think she felt
like he really loved her,
578
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,296
and she felt that he
loved her unconditionally,
579
00:29:58,363 --> 00:30:01,366
and I don't think she ever
really believed that before.
580
00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:18,016
- And then once she
dropped out
581
00:30:18,082 --> 00:30:19,150
of High Point University
582
00:30:19,217 --> 00:30:21,619
we kind of started
seeing her less as well.
583
00:30:21,686 --> 00:30:25,590
I think that's when Forrest
really came into her life.
584
00:30:33,198 --> 00:30:35,099
- I know they were in love,
585
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:40,205
and I think we can confidently
say
586
00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:42,540
that she was the one for him.
587
00:30:42,607 --> 00:30:43,408
- Yeah.
588
00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:46,077
- Just by the way... You could
tell.
589
00:30:47,378 --> 00:30:48,880
The smile that he carried
590
00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:51,850
and, you know, things of that
nature.
591
00:30:51,916 --> 00:30:54,485
- And at first Forrest said
he didn't want to be involved
592
00:30:54,552 --> 00:30:58,323
with anybody because he was
concentrating on his career.
593
00:30:58,389 --> 00:31:03,461
But then he... They got
together.
594
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:08,433
- So Alice was trying to
regroup,
595
00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:09,634
and she's like, well what do I
like to do?
596
00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:11,369
I think I like photography.
597
00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:13,071
At that point, I think
my parents were like,
598
00:31:13,137 --> 00:31:14,772
oh my God, thank God, she has an
interest
599
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,977
that she wants to pursue,
just go to photography school.
600
00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:20,511
So Alice got accepted into SCAD,
601
00:31:20,578 --> 00:31:23,214
the Savannah College of Art and
Design,
602
00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:25,750
and he moved to Savannah with
her.
603
00:31:25,817 --> 00:31:27,185
I guess they were close
enough at that point
604
00:31:27,252 --> 00:31:29,387
that they didn't wanna be apart.
605
00:31:30,788 --> 00:31:32,290
- SCAD was too much for her,
606
00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:34,525
because those kids they were
serious,
607
00:31:34,592 --> 00:31:38,062
they had been developing
their art for a long time
608
00:31:38,129 --> 00:31:39,631
and Alice could have.
609
00:31:39,697 --> 00:31:41,733
She could have but she didn't
want
610
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,735
to expend the energy on it.
611
00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:47,639
- And she called me and she
said, "I missed my first class."
612
00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:51,175
I'm like, how do you do that?
613
00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:53,344
And you know, she...
614
00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:58,182
Obviously, I mean, things
happened and she lost her key
615
00:31:58,249 --> 00:31:59,784
and couldn't get there, and-
616
00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:01,019
- Ran out
of gas or something.
617
00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:02,120
- Ran out of... yeah.
618
00:32:02,186 --> 00:32:03,721
No, I think she was at the gas
station
619
00:32:03,788 --> 00:32:05,356
'cause she was getting something
to drink,
620
00:32:05,423 --> 00:32:09,060
and her key broke and she
couldn't start the car.
621
00:32:09,127 --> 00:32:12,297
And then the professor said, you
know,
622
00:32:12,363 --> 00:32:14,666
get out of my class, and that
was it.
623
00:32:14,732 --> 00:32:18,169
And I think she decided then and
there
624
00:32:18,236 --> 00:32:20,571
that that wasn't gonna happen.
625
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,708
- She was struggling
626
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:27,045
but we all struggle at some
point in life.
627
00:32:29,247 --> 00:32:30,682
I wonder what would've happened
628
00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:33,451
if she were given the
opportunity
to get out of her rut.
629
00:32:37,221 --> 00:32:40,558
Why did she trust people that
didn't deserve to be trusted?
630
00:32:41,426 --> 00:32:43,594
Why did she give people so many
chances
631
00:32:43,661 --> 00:32:45,196
to earn her trust back?
632
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,266
And why on earth was she hanging
out
633
00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:51,002
with people who had
severe criminal records?
634
00:32:52,437 --> 00:32:54,038
These questions haunt me.
635
00:32:55,573 --> 00:32:58,209
- It hurt, primarily because I
felt
636
00:32:58,276 --> 00:32:59,210
like I didn't talk to her,
637
00:32:59,277 --> 00:32:59,811
and it never would have
happened.
638
00:32:59,877 --> 00:33:00,745
There was all of those
whys of what happened.
639
00:33:02,013 --> 00:33:05,550
- A homicide, you know,
that's something serious,
640
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:07,051
so I had really thought
they had started hanging out
641
00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:09,754
with the wrong people and
gotten wrapped up in drugs,
642
00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:11,322
someone owed someone money, I
don't know.
643
00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:13,358
- The Chief obviously had some
theories;
644
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:14,325
Was there something people were
trying
645
00:33:14,392 --> 00:33:15,259
to get in the house?
646
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,027
Were they trying to be robbed?
647
00:33:16,094 --> 00:33:16,894
Did they have money?
648
00:33:16,961 --> 00:33:17,895
Did they have drugs?
649
00:33:17,962 --> 00:33:19,263
All those types of theories,
650
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,599
he was putting out there on the
table.
651
00:33:23,768 --> 00:33:25,670
- It was a
crime that stunned Thunderbolt,
652
00:33:25,737 --> 00:33:28,206
a couple found shot to
death in their home.
653
00:33:28,272 --> 00:33:30,742
Well, tonight police say
they know who did it.
654
00:33:30,808 --> 00:33:32,577
- Those
men are Nathaniel Wilkins
655
00:33:32,643 --> 00:33:36,180
and Michael Jones, both are
charged with malice murder.
656
00:33:36,247 --> 00:33:37,281
- The big question
here though,
657
00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:40,184
why would this couple be gunned
down?
658
00:33:54,966 --> 00:33:57,468
- Nate got his sister to drive,
659
00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,671
who was Mike Jones girlfriend
at the time, Tracy Wilkins.
660
00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:04,208
Tracy was driving, Nate
and Mike followed them,
661
00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:05,510
they were at that convenience
store
662
00:34:05,576 --> 00:34:08,012
right around the corner from
the house by the school,
663
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:09,313
they have them on videotape
there.
664
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,449
They have Forrest and
Alice there, coming back,
665
00:34:11,582 --> 00:34:14,819
had a fun night out, and
within 10 minutes after that
666
00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:16,821
they have the 911 call.
667
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,261
They left getting gas,
they drove down the road,
668
00:34:23,327 --> 00:34:24,395
they pulled up to the house,
669
00:34:24,462 --> 00:34:26,397
they were going inside for the
night,
670
00:34:26,464 --> 00:34:28,933
and that's when they believe
that Tracy pulled up,
671
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,337
Mike and Nate got out of the
car, at some point they shot.
672
00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,173
And then one of the neighbors
told us
673
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,275
that they heard Alice scream.
674
00:34:40,278 --> 00:34:41,446
The story started to unwind
675
00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:44,749
that Nate was a dishwasher
at the restaurant,
676
00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:47,151
and Forrest and Nate
got into it a few times
677
00:34:47,218 --> 00:34:50,421
at the restaurant, I guess
at some point he fired Nate,
678
00:34:50,488 --> 00:34:52,824
and Nate felt disrespected.
679
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:54,092
That was what he believed
680
00:34:54,158 --> 00:34:55,493
the whole motive of this crime
was,
681
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,098
was that Nate Wilkins was
disrespected and pissed off,
682
00:35:00,164 --> 00:35:01,599
because Forrest fired him.
683
00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:09,941
There's no trace to Alice
being involved in this, right?
684
00:35:10,007 --> 00:35:12,410
I mean, that's probably
the most tragic part
685
00:35:12,477 --> 00:35:16,647
from where I sit, is that
it was her boyfriend,
686
00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,349
she was just coming home, right?
687
00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:20,952
I mean, just think if
she got sick that night
688
00:35:21,018 --> 00:35:23,921
or didn't go out, or went
somewhere else,
689
00:35:23,988 --> 00:35:25,156
I mean, is she alive?
690
00:35:25,223 --> 00:35:28,426
- I didn't even know she was
in Savannah until like a year
691
00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:29,961
before she passed away,
692
00:35:30,728 --> 00:35:33,397
correction, a year
before she was murdered.
693
00:35:33,698 --> 00:35:36,367
And I totally regret not
spending time with her, you know
694
00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,902
not reconnecting, not seeing
her,
695
00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:42,206
and I always wonder if it
would have made a difference.
696
00:35:43,174 --> 00:35:44,909
If somehow, you know,
697
00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:49,180
I don't know, maybe they
wouldn't have been home
698
00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:52,650
if something else was...
699
00:35:54,585 --> 00:35:55,453
Changed?
700
00:36:02,293 --> 00:36:03,794
- Savannah, Georgia,
701
00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:05,630
a historic and beautiful small
city
702
00:36:05,696 --> 00:36:07,965
bustling with restaurants and
bars,
703
00:36:08,032 --> 00:36:09,534
tourists and art students,
704
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,003
liberals and old money
geriatrics.
705
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:15,873
This is my dream town, the
perfect stop for some fun
706
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:19,343
and self exploration I
dreamed for on my life map.
707
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,879
Yet, here I am on this
crisp sunny morning,
708
00:36:21,946 --> 00:36:24,982
wanting to stay sprawled out
like a jumping jack in bed.
709
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:29,120
Yesterday morning, I woke
up to dog shit on the floor,
710
00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:32,323
a shot of captain Morgan
straight out of the bottle,
711
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:34,392
and no job to head off to.
712
00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:37,728
I don't feel I lack
confidence or creativity,
713
00:36:37,795 --> 00:36:39,897
I learn quickly, and I
think I'd be quite an asset
714
00:36:39,964 --> 00:36:42,867
to any company or business
that I could be a part of.
715
00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:45,269
Where have I gone wrong?
716
00:36:48,272 --> 00:36:49,941
- She called at about,
717
00:36:50,007 --> 00:36:54,712
I think it was- 00,- 30,
in the morning and crying.
718
00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:57,882
I don't really know the
actual details of it,
719
00:36:57,949 --> 00:37:00,818
but he pushed her up
against the refrigerator,
720
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:04,689
she has a black eye, he
strangled her,
721
00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:06,891
she had marks around her throat.
722
00:37:08,593 --> 00:37:10,695
And I think it's that next step
723
00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:13,698
that I think scared the Jesus
out of her,
724
00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:16,100
you know, scared the
living shit out of her.
725
00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:18,836
- He tried to strangle
her,
726
00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,472
so she called the police
and then he went to jail.
727
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:22,907
Every day she wrote to him,
728
00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:26,043
she's apologizing to
him after that in notes.
729
00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:29,880
- Forrest, I know
you're mad and you hate me.
730
00:37:30,715 --> 00:37:33,584
I fucked up a lot, I'm sorry.
731
00:37:35,553 --> 00:37:37,788
I guess I am as stupid as you
think I am.
732
00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:42,026
I love you forever, Alice.
733
00:37:47,231 --> 00:37:48,032
- I felt really helpless,
734
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,334
and I went to this therapist,
okay?
735
00:37:50,401 --> 00:37:52,570
And she so depressed me when she
said
736
00:37:52,637 --> 00:37:54,171
it happens six or seven times
737
00:37:54,238 --> 00:37:57,241
before the person finally
gets enough nerve to leave,
738
00:37:57,308 --> 00:37:58,509
if they're not dead.
739
00:38:01,178 --> 00:38:02,747
- She loved everyone else,
740
00:38:02,813 --> 00:38:04,949
she just didn't love herself the
same.
741
00:38:07,385 --> 00:38:10,454
She knew she was adopted and
she loved all of her family,
742
00:38:10,521 --> 00:38:11,922
but she had that question of
why?
743
00:38:11,989 --> 00:38:13,291
- It was hard for me to
understand
744
00:38:13,357 --> 00:38:14,959
because knowing Alice's family,
745
00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:16,694
I know that they loved
her more than anything.
746
00:38:16,761 --> 00:38:19,797
But I think the fact that
her birth parents gave her up
747
00:38:19,864 --> 00:38:21,532
was very hard for her to...
748
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,801
She never really came to terms
with that.
749
00:38:24,568 --> 00:38:25,970
- People don't listen to that
either,
750
00:38:26,037 --> 00:38:27,738
I said the adoption really
bothered her,
751
00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:29,907
and they said, "But she
was in such a great family,
752
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,275
and you loved her and
you gave her so much."
753
00:38:31,342 --> 00:38:34,779
They don't understand, the
adoption really bothered her,
754
00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:36,847
that she was given up for
adoption.
755
00:38:37,815 --> 00:38:39,050
And I'll tell you another thing,
756
00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:42,620
Alice has said, that she
would rather have an abortion
757
00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:44,689
than put her child up for
adoption.
758
00:38:46,123 --> 00:38:47,725
- How
does that make you feel?
759
00:38:47,792 --> 00:38:48,893
- It doesn't make...
760
00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:51,862
I wanted to do anything
to help her feel better.
761
00:38:51,929 --> 00:38:56,667
I've never seen such a waste
of potential and such sadness,
762
00:38:57,368 --> 00:39:00,805
she asked for so little of her
life and her relationships.
763
00:39:02,573 --> 00:39:04,775
It did not bother me at all, at
all.
764
00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:09,380
- She stayed with him
and she...
765
00:39:10,748 --> 00:39:12,883
As it tends to happen in
the domestic violence cycle,
766
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:14,652
she kind of cut herself
off from her family,
767
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,886
she didn't talk to us very much.
768
00:39:15,953 --> 00:39:17,988
All of a sudden this happy go
lucky girl
769
00:39:18,055 --> 00:39:20,558
that we knew growing up had
changed.
770
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,228
- I don't know what
I was meant to do in life,
771
00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:27,164
I feel like I missed my
chance at whatever it was.
772
00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,868
I was supposed to be good
at something, I know I was,
773
00:39:30,935 --> 00:39:32,336
but it's like I missed the last
bus
774
00:39:32,403 --> 00:39:36,040
to what I was supposed to do,
and now I have to walk there.
775
00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:38,876
And along the way, everyone in
my life
776
00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:41,612
is handing me cups of
water, like a marathon,
777
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,081
except, instead of cheering me
on
778
00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:46,150
they're all yelling for me to go
faster
779
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:50,054
and throwing shit at me because
I'm in last place and lost.
780
00:39:52,857 --> 00:39:55,693
- I think she felt ashamed,
and I think she was depressed
781
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,731
because she knew she wasn't
where she wanted to be.
782
00:40:00,831 --> 00:40:02,633
You know, she kind of
made a five-year plan,
783
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,569
and she wasn't anywhere
near accomplishing anything.
784
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:12,209
- Alice called me and she said,
"I really need some help."
785
00:40:12,276 --> 00:40:14,845
And I said, "Okay, well,
what can I help you with?"
786
00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:18,282
She said, I needed to
borrow $500 for an abortion.
787
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:20,785
I need to get an abortion.
788
00:40:20,851 --> 00:40:22,887
And I always wanted to give
her money if she ever asked,
789
00:40:22,953 --> 00:40:25,122
but at that point we were
saving for the wedding,
790
00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:26,690
it was a significant amount of
money,
791
00:40:26,857 --> 00:40:29,126
and I said, "Alice, if you
wanna get this taken care of
792
00:40:29,193 --> 00:40:31,295
I think you have to confront
mom.
793
00:40:31,362 --> 00:40:34,632
And I think you'll be surprised
how forgiving she can be."
794
00:40:34,698 --> 00:40:36,634
So she did get the abortion
done,
795
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,904
and my mom became aware of
everything,
796
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:42,173
and Alice said she was very cool
about it,
797
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,176
and that's like one of the
last texts I got from her.
798
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:58,088
It was a real fun dancing, uncle
Alex.
799
00:40:58,155 --> 00:41:00,191
I remember talking to my mom and
saying,
800
00:41:00,524 --> 00:41:04,962
"We can't do this, it's five
days before the wedding."
801
00:41:06,964 --> 00:41:09,300
But she felt that, you know,
everyone was already coming,
802
00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:11,368
everyone had already made plans,
803
00:41:11,435 --> 00:41:15,606
but having some sort of hope
and levity to that weekend
804
00:41:15,673 --> 00:41:17,808
would make the funeral more
bearable.
805
00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,410
- That is just for the record,
806
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:21,479
he already threw up a couple of
times.
807
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,548
- But the thing is,
808
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:28,953
the wedding is always gonna be
associated with the funeral.
809
00:41:29,019 --> 00:41:29,653
- Daddy?
810
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,021
- I'm gonna go marry your mom.
811
00:41:32,623 --> 00:41:33,457
- Are you...
812
00:41:33,691 --> 00:41:36,026
- I sure am, I sure am.
813
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:37,361
- Okay.
814
00:41:37,428 --> 00:41:38,729
- Okay.
815
00:41:38,796 --> 00:41:40,798
Let's make this official, huh?
816
00:41:48,272 --> 00:41:50,908
- There's a concept in Celtic
Christianity
817
00:41:50,975 --> 00:41:53,511
called, thin places,
818
00:41:53,577 --> 00:41:58,582
and a thin place is where
humanity and divinity meet.
819
00:41:59,383 --> 00:42:03,454
And there's just this
place where everything,
820
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,155
just kind of comes together.
821
00:42:07,992 --> 00:42:11,095
Ceci and Edwin's wedding was a
thin place.
822
00:42:13,831 --> 00:42:18,636
And there was co-mingled joy and
grief,
823
00:42:18,702 --> 00:42:21,505
that created this emotion I had
never seen
824
00:42:21,572 --> 00:42:23,774
or experienced before.
825
00:42:27,845 --> 00:42:29,747
And it was so Holy.
826
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:43,961
- To live a new
life that marriage generates.
827
00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:45,329
To, the best that
we can say
828
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,198
is we come today, honestly,
acknowledging our sadness
829
00:42:48,265 --> 00:42:50,467
and choosing for now to
celebrate,
830
00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:53,904
to give our hearts to Edwin
and Celia, and they to another.
831
00:42:55,439 --> 00:42:57,575
- Ceci had
chosen these really nice,
832
00:42:57,641 --> 00:42:59,243
black, bridesmaid dresses,
833
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,078
and it had a whole different
feel
834
00:43:01,145 --> 00:43:03,814
now that one of the
bridesmaids wasn't there.
835
00:43:07,318 --> 00:43:11,622
Alice was represented
by this vase of flowers
836
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:16,126
that stood in the place where
she should have been standing.
837
00:43:21,966 --> 00:43:23,167
- My pleasure
to introduce to you,
838
00:43:23,233 --> 00:43:26,870
for the very first time,
Edwin and Cecelia Stevens.
839
00:43:49,193 --> 00:43:52,262
- Every funeral, wedding,
everything we've ever been to,
840
00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:57,735
nothing had this same sublime
sense of peace about it.
841
00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:02,606
That was a peace that
you can't explain away,
842
00:44:02,673 --> 00:44:07,845
it was a peace that had to
come from someplace else,
843
00:44:08,178 --> 00:44:12,149
because these two people were
able,
844
00:44:12,216 --> 00:44:17,221
in this indescribable moment of
grief,
845
00:44:17,554 --> 00:44:19,957
to allow their love to
be bigger than that.
846
00:44:20,024 --> 00:44:21,992
Even if just for that moment.
847
00:44:33,303 --> 00:44:35,272
I went back to the hotel to
sleep
848
00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:38,976
and then I went and
helped their parish priest
849
00:44:39,043 --> 00:44:41,779
with Alice's funeral the next
day.
850
00:44:56,860 --> 00:45:01,832
- My father, that all who see
the son and believe in him,
851
00:45:02,499 --> 00:45:07,371
may have eternal life,
and I will raise them up
852
00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:08,505
on the last day.
853
00:45:08,572 --> 00:45:11,809
- The funeral service was
the day after our wedding.
854
00:45:14,078 --> 00:45:16,847
Alice had on the bridesmaid
dress
855
00:45:16,914 --> 00:45:19,116
that I had picked out for her.
856
00:45:22,252 --> 00:45:24,988
It was really hard
seeing her in the casket
857
00:45:25,055 --> 00:45:26,256
with that dress on.
858
00:45:29,526 --> 00:45:31,795
- The worst part was watching my
father
859
00:45:31,862 --> 00:45:34,231
bury another kid, for sure.
860
00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:36,934
I had watched him bury my
brother
861
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,169
and he had already been beaten
down,
862
00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:41,038
he had lost his first wife,
863
00:45:42,139 --> 00:45:45,075
but burying his second kid
was just too much to bear.
864
00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:48,545
- That was the first time
I saw Mark breakdown.
865
00:45:50,447 --> 00:45:52,449
Yeah, the only other
time I've seen Mark cry
866
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:54,017
is when Phil...
867
00:45:55,619 --> 00:45:56,887
When they found Phil.
868
00:45:57,988 --> 00:45:59,123
- Today we are here to mourn,
869
00:45:59,189 --> 00:46:00,657
with the support and love of
each other,
870
00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:05,195
the death of our daughter,
sister, aunt, cousin, friend,
871
00:46:06,063 --> 00:46:07,998
Alice Pendleton Stevens.
872
00:46:08,065 --> 00:46:10,067
Many of you have heard
me groan about Alice
873
00:46:10,134 --> 00:46:12,069
for lack of direction, too much
drinking,
874
00:46:12,136 --> 00:46:13,704
or inability to follow through
on things,
875
00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:17,975
or lack of focus on things that
needed to be taken care of.
876
00:46:18,041 --> 00:46:20,577
I keep asking myself, has that
led Alice
877
00:46:20,644 --> 00:46:21,979
to really move through life
878
00:46:22,579 --> 00:46:26,083
without any great personal
achievements or contributions?
879
00:46:28,585 --> 00:46:33,757
- One of the hardest parts
of that was when Mrs. Stevens
880
00:46:33,824 --> 00:46:36,059
gave a eulogy for Alice.
881
00:46:38,195 --> 00:46:40,964
It felt like Dorothy was
disappointed in Alice,
882
00:46:41,031 --> 00:46:42,432
and I know that she wasn't,
883
00:46:42,499 --> 00:46:45,369
and I know that's not what
she was saying at all.
884
00:46:46,637 --> 00:46:48,272
But the way that it sounded
885
00:46:48,338 --> 00:46:52,609
was that Alice hadn't been
what she was supposed to be,
886
00:46:52,676 --> 00:46:57,614
rather than Alice was
robbed of the opportunity
887
00:46:58,582 --> 00:47:01,518
to share her best self with the
world.
888
00:47:01,585 --> 00:47:03,220
- Into your hands oh merciful
savior,
889
00:47:03,287 --> 00:47:06,056
we commend your servant Alice.
890
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:09,660
Receive her into the arms of
your mercy,
891
00:47:09,726 --> 00:47:13,397
into the blessed rest
of everlasting peace,
892
00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:17,501
and into the glorious company
of the saints in light.
893
00:47:17,568 --> 00:47:18,635
- Amen.
894
00:47:20,437 --> 00:47:23,340
- I just felt like I had to
remind people
895
00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:27,144
that she was struggling and
that we needed to remember
896
00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:28,145
that part of her,
897
00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:31,982
that we loved her no matter
what.
898
00:47:48,398 --> 00:47:51,168
- My father died a few months
after Alice,
899
00:47:51,335 --> 00:47:55,172
I think in great part because
having someone so young
900
00:47:55,372 --> 00:48:00,611
and loving and happy, and
just selfless, like Alice was,
901
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:02,980
purposely killed like that,
902
00:48:03,113 --> 00:48:06,984
made the world very cold
and very cruel feeling.
903
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,820
He just couldn't do it anymore,
904
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,123
he couldn't see a way to
climb himself out of that hole
905
00:48:13,323 --> 00:48:14,324
when he got in the hospital,
906
00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,127
and he made the choice to say
I don't wanna fight anymore,
907
00:48:17,194 --> 00:48:18,428
just let it happen.
908
00:48:22,432 --> 00:48:25,269
We buried some of Alice's
ashes with him that day,
909
00:48:26,503 --> 00:48:27,704
the rest I kept for myself,
910
00:48:27,771 --> 00:48:31,642
and I'd like to scatter
them in a special spot
911
00:48:31,708 --> 00:48:32,976
if I ever feel ready.
912
00:48:35,112 --> 00:48:37,214
A few days before my dad
went out to the hospital
913
00:48:37,281 --> 00:48:40,150
for the last time, he wrote me
an email.
914
00:48:41,018 --> 00:48:43,420
"Edwin, I know you must be sad
915
00:48:43,487 --> 00:48:46,290
about what happened to Alice, we
all are.
916
00:48:46,356 --> 00:48:49,226
Bad things happen to
good people all the time.
917
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:50,727
We lost Phillip 10 years ago,
918
00:48:50,794 --> 00:48:53,297
and I still think of him almost
every day.
919
00:48:54,131 --> 00:48:56,133
You will still miss and grieve
for Alice,
920
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:57,701
but you can also enjoy those
around you,
921
00:48:57,768 --> 00:49:00,771
and the good and important
things in your life.
922
00:49:00,837 --> 00:49:03,640
You're married now and about
to become a new father,
923
00:49:03,707 --> 00:49:05,275
and that's really exciting
stuff,
924
00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:08,378
so don't let thoughts
of Alice get in the way.
925
00:49:08,445 --> 00:49:11,982
Take care and give Ceci
and Cooper hugs for me.
926
00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:13,283
Much love, dad."
927
00:49:23,593 --> 00:49:25,295
- The first trial,
the Mike Jones trial,
928
00:49:25,362 --> 00:49:26,697
some of the things I remember
most,
929
00:49:26,763 --> 00:49:29,566
I first remember meeting
Jerry Rothschild, the DA.
930
00:49:32,869 --> 00:49:34,705
- I don't really wanna get
into the facts of this case
931
00:49:34,771 --> 00:49:36,974
and probably don't need to,
now that I think about it,
932
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,709
but maybe just in general.
933
00:49:40,477 --> 00:49:45,382
It's fair to say that, I
suppose my approach early on is,
934
00:49:48,618 --> 00:49:49,486
all in.
935
00:49:50,454 --> 00:49:52,122
Is that a fair way to put it?
936
00:49:52,189 --> 00:49:53,724
- He's very intense,
let's put it that way,
937
00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:58,996
super smart and gave us a good
walkthrough
938
00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:01,231
of what the proceedings
we re gonna be like,
939
00:50:01,298 --> 00:50:05,435
what evidence we had, how
the case was gonna go.
940
00:50:05,535 --> 00:50:08,572
And that was just pretty
disturbing,
941
00:50:08,638 --> 00:50:13,076
hearing the witnesses
and the stories, um...
942
00:50:14,111 --> 00:50:15,345
- The pictures.
943
00:50:15,412 --> 00:50:19,349
- The pictures, yeah. I
didn't look at the pictures,
944
00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:21,985
I had had enough with that
stuff.
945
00:50:22,052 --> 00:50:23,286
- Like that's the thing,
946
00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,255
I really come to care about
a lot of these people,
947
00:50:25,322 --> 00:50:26,857
but what I wish more than
anything else
948
00:50:26,923 --> 00:50:28,358
is that I'd never met them.
949
00:50:28,425 --> 00:50:31,528
Because to meet them means
you met the grim reaper too,
950
00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:33,797
and that's not what I want for
anybody.
951
00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,099
- One of two men
accused
952
00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:37,601
in the killing of a Thunderbolt
couple,
953
00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:40,037
will spend the rest of
his life behind bars.
954
00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:41,638
Michael Donta Jones was
sentenced
955
00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:43,907
to two consecutive life
sentences
956
00:50:44,007 --> 00:50:45,509
in Chatham County court today.
957
00:50:45,575 --> 00:50:48,178
Wilkins is still waiting to
stand trial.
958
00:50:49,946 --> 00:50:51,515
- Evidence was so overwhelming
959
00:50:51,581 --> 00:50:54,117
that the jury deliberated
for about 30 minutes
960
00:50:54,184 --> 00:50:57,754
and then came back with a
unanimous, guilty decision,
961
00:50:57,821 --> 00:50:59,189
which was pretty fast.
962
00:51:00,290 --> 00:51:02,759
It was so just, that his
own family was there,
963
00:51:02,826 --> 00:51:05,529
and they actually apologized to
my mom.
964
00:51:05,595 --> 00:51:07,798
They went up and said, "We're so
sorry,
965
00:51:07,864 --> 00:51:09,833
this is not who we thought we
raised.
966
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,435
He stayed out of trouble his
whole life
967
00:51:11,501 --> 00:51:13,637
until he met up with this Nate
guy."
968
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,409
There's a lot of racist
websites that use them as proof
969
00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:20,744
of why we should be racist.
970
00:51:20,811 --> 00:51:22,979
Because these two nice white
people
971
00:51:23,046 --> 00:51:25,582
were killed in cold blood
by these two black people,
972
00:51:25,649 --> 00:51:27,417
like that was the only thing
they were,
973
00:51:27,484 --> 00:51:28,585
just white and black,
974
00:51:28,652 --> 00:51:30,687
there's nothing else to
the story or who they were,
975
00:51:30,754 --> 00:51:33,623
or how they were raised, or
anything.
976
00:51:34,624 --> 00:51:37,894
It's pretty disheartening to
see their lives being taken,
977
00:51:37,961 --> 00:51:40,330
and then being used as like
evidence
978
00:51:40,397 --> 00:51:41,798
of why we should be racist.
979
00:51:41,865 --> 00:51:43,967
Look, how these people weren't
racist,
980
00:51:44,034 --> 00:51:45,335
where did they get them?
981
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:51,208
It's not, in any way, what I
want their deaths to represent.
982
00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:02,752
- For me, the most eye-opening
piece
983
00:52:02,819 --> 00:52:04,287
of this whole experience
984
00:52:04,354 --> 00:52:09,059
is understanding what
it is to be the family
985
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:11,728
of the victim of violence.
986
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:14,598
Aw, you know it too.
987
00:52:14,664 --> 00:52:19,669
It's how much this grief differs
from grief for my parents,
988
00:52:20,003 --> 00:52:25,342
or grief for my patients,
grief in different ways.
989
00:52:26,743 --> 00:52:31,948
Because I'll never get
over any of these losses,
990
00:52:33,683 --> 00:52:38,889
but even though my parents were
young, they died of disease,
991
00:52:41,191 --> 00:52:44,628
it was something natural though
awful.
992
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:51,334
With Alice, her death
was entirely preventable.
993
00:52:57,207 --> 00:52:59,676
- So, I just got a text from my
mom
994
00:52:59,743 --> 00:53:03,046
that the trial is tentatively
set for April 9th,
995
00:53:03,113 --> 00:53:06,683
so today's October 18th.
996
00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:09,619
So over four and a half
years after the murders,
997
00:53:09,686 --> 00:53:11,054
we finally get to try the guy
998
00:53:11,121 --> 00:53:13,790
who apparently was behind the
whole thing.
999
00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:19,029
And I've been ready to
face this for a while now.
1000
00:53:19,763 --> 00:53:21,131
I just want it to be over.
1001
00:53:21,198 --> 00:53:22,732
At this point, it's just,
1002
00:53:25,569 --> 00:53:28,004
it's really hard to have
to keep lingering on.
1003
00:53:31,374 --> 00:53:32,175
- Hello?
1004
00:53:32,242 --> 00:53:33,376
- Hey mom.
1005
00:53:33,443 --> 00:53:35,078
- Hi, how
did it go today, honey?
1006
00:53:35,145 --> 00:53:36,713
- It was really, really good.
1007
00:53:37,447 --> 00:53:38,949
Audrey was amazing.
1008
00:53:39,015 --> 00:53:41,251
- She really had
a lot of good things to say.
1009
00:53:41,318 --> 00:53:42,519
- Yeah, I mean, she was
incredible,
1010
00:53:42,586 --> 00:53:44,721
'cause she knew all of us,
1011
00:53:44,788 --> 00:53:47,691
she knew us for longer than
anyone else I've talked to
1012
00:53:47,757 --> 00:53:49,926
and probably will talk to.
1013
00:53:49,993 --> 00:53:51,528
That's the thing that's so
crazy,
1014
00:53:51,595 --> 00:53:54,531
is that, you know, I don't
feel like I even knew her
1015
00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:56,032
for the last six years of her
life,
1016
00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:57,067
I'm learning so much her.
1017
00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:58,468
- You know, I
don't think we ever knew
1018
00:53:58,535 --> 00:54:00,570
that she had such a positive
effect
1019
00:54:00,637 --> 00:54:03,073
and far reaching effect.
1020
00:54:03,139 --> 00:54:04,040
- You know what's funny?
1021
00:54:04,107 --> 00:54:06,009
Is that every single
one of these interviews
1022
00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:06,977
has said that about her,
1023
00:54:07,043 --> 00:54:09,446
she just wanted to make
other people happy.
1024
00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:11,715
How did everyone else know and
we didn't?
1025
00:54:12,949 --> 00:54:15,919
- Well, 'cause she
didn't act happy at home.
1026
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,556
I don't know what the real Alice
was,
1027
00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:21,491
I mean, I think she was
tormented.
1028
00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:23,260
- What was she tormented by?
1029
00:54:23,326 --> 00:54:24,694
- The adoption thing.
1030
00:54:24,761 --> 00:54:27,464
I mean, I think that
was the basic rejection
1031
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:29,633
that she just couldn't get over.
1032
00:54:29,699 --> 00:54:31,635
- Not to mention that,
but I think she knew
1033
00:54:31,701 --> 00:54:33,703
that we were all disappointed
1034
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:35,138
that she was with Forrest
1035
00:54:35,205 --> 00:54:37,674
and she couldn't get
herself out of harm's way.
1036
00:54:37,741 --> 00:54:40,443
My one great regret, I
think, is that, you know,
1037
00:54:42,746 --> 00:54:45,548
I just felt like I wasn't
able to protect her
1038
00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:46,816
as an older brother.
1039
00:54:47,717 --> 00:54:49,452
- Yeah.
1040
00:54:50,487 --> 00:54:51,788
- And I had every opportunity,
1041
00:54:51,855 --> 00:54:54,491
I mean, that fucking guy was
at our house all the time,
1042
00:54:54,557 --> 00:54:55,792
and looking me in the face
1043
00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:58,428
and acting like he was a
good person, we all knew.
1044
00:54:58,495 --> 00:54:59,896
What do you do with that?
1045
00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:06,536
- Oh, that's so
terrible.
1046
00:55:08,338 --> 00:55:09,973
- Sorry, I derailed your night
1047
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,342
before you walked into
performance,
1048
00:55:12,409 --> 00:55:14,778
but I just wanted to share those
things.
1049
00:55:15,912 --> 00:55:17,580
- Oh, that's okay.
1050
00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:20,684
Listen, thanks Edwin, for
calling, okay?
1051
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:22,652
- Yeah.
1052
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,755
- I can probably
wait to hear more about it.
1053
00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:28,625
- Okay, well, I'll talk to you
soon.
1054
00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:30,560
- Okay, bye honey.
1055
00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:31,828
- Okay, bye.
1056
00:55:58,722 --> 00:56:02,525
- No one ever chose to
be on that autopsy table,
1057
00:56:02,592 --> 00:56:04,728
no one ever chose to be my
patient.
1058
00:56:04,794 --> 00:56:07,030
And I would say, my ultimate
goal
1059
00:56:07,097 --> 00:56:09,632
is to try to find the
answer to bring peace.
1060
00:56:12,135 --> 00:56:13,069
Did they suffer?
1061
00:56:13,937 --> 00:56:17,207
I've found that to be, time and
again, the number one thing.
1062
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:22,545
And fortunately, as in this
case, I can honestly say
1063
00:56:23,012 --> 00:56:26,049
they didn't suffer an
extended period of time.
1064
00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:29,452
And that's not to say, I can
tell you exactly what happened,
1065
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:30,620
I wasn't there,
1066
00:56:30,687 --> 00:56:33,022
but I can tell you what the
evidence says.
1067
00:56:34,224 --> 00:56:35,859
You have two people that are
coming home
1068
00:56:35,925 --> 00:56:37,894
from a night out on the town,
1069
00:56:37,961 --> 00:56:41,765
and at some point, two
individuals
come out of the bushes,
1070
00:56:41,831 --> 00:56:44,934
brandishing weapons,
one a 45, and one a 22.
1071
00:56:45,835 --> 00:56:50,340
The first shots were to the
chin of both individuals,
1072
00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:51,875
both leaning forward, somewhat.
1073
00:56:51,941 --> 00:56:54,244
Perhaps at a defensive
posture, they see it coming
1074
00:56:54,310 --> 00:56:56,980
so they drop and try
to put their hands up.
1075
00:56:57,046 --> 00:57:00,917
Miraculously, neither one of
those shots hits a vital organ.
1076
00:57:00,984 --> 00:57:03,720
They're both probably
stunned at that point.
1077
00:57:03,787 --> 00:57:05,021
- What is a
stun? What does that mean?
1078
00:57:05,088 --> 00:57:07,390
- Stunned, I mean, literally
they're psychologically,
1079
00:57:07,457 --> 00:57:09,759
I think they're both going,
what's going on here?
1080
00:57:09,826 --> 00:57:11,961
This is outside the realm
of normal experience,
1081
00:57:12,028 --> 00:57:16,433
nobody expects this to happen.
1082
00:57:16,566 --> 00:57:18,435
While they're trying to process
that,
1083
00:57:18,501 --> 00:57:20,804
Forrest gets a shot to the
chest,
1084
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:23,406
that shot leaves his arm.
1085
00:57:23,473 --> 00:57:25,942
And given where his body is
found,
1086
00:57:26,009 --> 00:57:28,344
I believe he ends up on his
knees,
1087
00:57:28,411 --> 00:57:31,948
and he's got a very large
bruise to the small of his back.
1088
00:57:32,015 --> 00:57:35,084
That bruise is approximately
the size of foot
1089
00:57:35,151 --> 00:57:37,854
that could be explained
by a forceful kick,
1090
00:57:37,921 --> 00:57:40,824
as though you're putting
someone down on the ground.
1091
00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:44,327
Very clearly, the shooter then
came up
1092
00:57:44,394 --> 00:57:46,362
and put the gun against
the back of his head
1093
00:57:46,429 --> 00:57:47,730
and pulled the trigger.
1094
00:57:48,798 --> 00:57:51,301
She has a shot to the side of
her head,
1095
00:57:51,367 --> 00:57:52,902
and it comes out the temple.
1096
00:57:54,671 --> 00:57:58,074
I don't personally use
the term execution style
1097
00:57:58,141 --> 00:58:01,611
but I certainly wouldn't object
if someone called it that.
1098
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:07,443
- The first week that I was
home,
1099
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:10,179
I did not sleep for the first
five nights.
1100
00:59:10,246 --> 00:59:12,749
I don't know how that's
possible,
1101
00:59:12,949 --> 00:59:15,485
but I lay awake in this bed,
in this new strange house
1102
00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:18,221
that should have been like
the most amazing thing,
1103
00:59:18,288 --> 00:59:20,890
that we were buying a house
together.
1104
00:59:20,957 --> 00:59:25,929
It felt so cold and lonely,
and dark, and terrifying,
1105
00:59:26,195 --> 00:59:28,531
I felt like people could
look at me through the window
1106
00:59:28,598 --> 00:59:29,666
at any time.
1107
00:59:33,136 --> 00:59:34,270
I didn't know what had happened,
1108
00:59:34,337 --> 00:59:35,605
I didn't know who had killed
them,
1109
00:59:35,672 --> 00:59:37,540
I didn't know if there were
people looking for them,
1110
00:59:37,607 --> 00:59:38,775
If it was a robbery.
1111
00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:42,045
I also thought the worst,
that like Alice and Forrest
1112
00:59:42,111 --> 00:59:44,581
had asked for it, like they
must have been dealing drugs.
1113
00:59:44,647 --> 00:59:45,848
Like that's what I initially
went to,
1114
00:59:45,915 --> 00:59:46,950
they must've been doing
something
1115
00:59:47,016 --> 00:59:48,384
they shouldn't have been doing
1116
00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:51,354
to get into this shit like this.
1117
00:59:51,421 --> 00:59:53,189
Which, in a way, would
have been more comforting,
1118
00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:55,325
like, oh, well at least you knew
the risk,
1119
00:59:55,391 --> 00:59:57,860
like you could have seen it
coming.
1120
00:59:57,927 --> 00:59:59,596
Especially the way they
were basically executed
1121
00:59:59,662 --> 01:00:00,463
on their porch.
1122
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:01,397
You think, wow, okay,
1123
01:00:01,464 --> 01:00:03,933
that's a message that someone's
sending.
1124
01:00:04,033 --> 01:00:07,870
But that's kind of the
fucked up thing, is it's not.
1125
01:00:08,004 --> 01:00:09,839
It's just like...
1126
01:00:09,939 --> 01:00:12,208
It's like one day you flipped
off someone in traffic
1127
01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:13,810
and they decided to follow you
home,
1128
01:00:13,876 --> 01:00:15,445
I think about stuff
like that all the time,
1129
01:00:15,545 --> 01:00:18,514
when you think about having
a poor reaction to someone
1130
01:00:18,948 --> 01:00:20,116
or acting angrily.
1131
01:00:22,218 --> 01:00:25,722
I think about, man, there's
bigger things to worry about
1132
01:00:27,056 --> 01:00:29,726
than yelling at the person
1133
01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:32,261
that gets your order on the
subway.
1134
01:00:33,563 --> 01:00:36,332
There were months where every
single night
1135
01:00:36,399 --> 01:00:37,634
I would dream about the crime
scene,
1136
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,637
I'd dream about being
there, watching it go down,
1137
01:00:40,703 --> 01:00:43,072
what must have happened
and what must've been said.
1138
01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:45,174
Especially like, the
less information we had
1139
01:00:45,241 --> 01:00:47,710
the more I just made it up in my
own head.
1140
01:00:49,212 --> 01:00:53,049
But the problem is now I've
actually seen the autopsy photo,
1141
01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:56,819
so I have seen it and it's
pretty bad.
1142
01:00:57,987 --> 01:00:59,055
It's pretty bad.
1143
01:01:01,491 --> 01:01:05,161
Now, I kind of dream about
what could have been,
1144
01:01:06,129 --> 01:01:07,930
I dream about times when we were
younger
1145
01:01:07,997 --> 01:01:09,599
and we were together,
1146
01:01:10,299 --> 01:01:13,236
I dream about her meeting my
children.
1147
01:01:15,038 --> 01:01:16,172
I had a dream recently
1148
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,875
that Alice and Forrest
were getting married,
1149
01:01:18,941 --> 01:01:20,977
and my family decided
not to go to the wedding
1150
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:22,979
because we didn't support
Alice getting married
1151
01:01:23,046 --> 01:01:24,847
to someone who had abused her.
1152
01:01:25,948 --> 01:01:27,617
And then I dreamt that
my own wife divorced me
1153
01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:28,751
because of it.
1154
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:35,191
- It's hard because we went
from our small apartment
1155
01:01:35,258 --> 01:01:38,394
which was all nice and cozy, and
little,
1156
01:01:38,461 --> 01:01:41,330
and I feel like we did
everything together.
1157
01:01:41,397 --> 01:01:43,199
And then we moved into this big
house
1158
01:01:43,266 --> 01:01:47,270
and I feel like we don't do
everything together anymore.
1159
01:01:48,171 --> 01:01:53,142
Some days, Ed and I just
cannot get on the same page,
1160
01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:57,914
and we're both angry and
upset and we can't articulate
1161
01:01:58,047 --> 01:02:00,483
exactly what is wrong
with either one of us,
1162
01:02:00,583 --> 01:02:04,887
but we're just both lashing out
at each other, all day long.
1163
01:02:06,489 --> 01:02:11,394
Sometimes I feel like
something triggers Ed somehow,
1164
01:02:11,527 --> 01:02:14,230
and he just has something in his
head,
1165
01:02:14,330 --> 01:02:19,502
and no matter what I do I
can't seem to support him
1166
01:02:19,869 --> 01:02:21,370
the right way, I guess.
1167
01:02:23,506 --> 01:02:27,744
And sometimes I think I
just get so sick and tired
1168
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:32,515
of trying so hard to make
sure that I don't trigger him,
1169
01:02:32,582 --> 01:02:34,283
that I'm just... Done.
1170
01:02:41,991 --> 01:02:43,059
- You?
1171
01:02:44,227 --> 01:02:47,897
Well, I knew that you
were drinking too much,
1172
01:02:48,664 --> 01:02:51,234
and I was really, really
worried about that.
1173
01:02:52,902 --> 01:02:58,307
And I'm a comfort eater, I
know you were eating too much
1174
01:03:00,743 --> 01:03:01,844
- Before Alice died,
1175
01:03:01,911 --> 01:03:03,813
I'd been getting in pretty
good shape for the wedding,
1176
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,917
and after she died, I just
didn't feel the motivation
1177
01:03:07,984 --> 01:03:09,118
to improve myself any more,
1178
01:03:09,318 --> 01:03:11,387
I didn't care about myself as
much.
1179
01:03:12,288 --> 01:03:15,725
I felt like tomorrow someone
could run up on me and kill me,
1180
01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:19,195
so why wouldn't I just do
whatever I wanted all the time
1181
01:03:19,262 --> 01:03:20,496
until that happened.
1182
01:03:20,563 --> 01:03:24,667
So I ate whatever I wanted,
didn't work out anymore,
1183
01:03:24,734 --> 01:03:27,737
haven't really worried
about eating or working out
1184
01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:29,438
for like four years,
1185
01:03:29,505 --> 01:03:32,341
and it's affected my
health pretty drastically.
1186
01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:39,248
I'd been a pretty devout
Christian for 27 years
1187
01:03:39,315 --> 01:03:40,449
and then this happened
1188
01:03:40,683 --> 01:03:43,019
and it just completely changed
my outlook.
1189
01:03:44,287 --> 01:03:46,389
It just felt like like random
chaos,
1190
01:03:46,455 --> 01:03:49,258
and that even if there is
a Christian God like that,
1191
01:03:49,325 --> 01:03:50,693
how could I trust that God?
1192
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,028
How can I worship that God
1193
01:03:52,094 --> 01:03:53,996
when he did this to my family?
1194
01:03:57,266 --> 01:04:01,470
People told me a lot of cliche
things;
1195
01:04:01,537 --> 01:04:03,706
They said, well, she's
in a better place now,
1196
01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:06,409
which frankly just made me
think, well, why am I here then?
1197
01:04:06,475 --> 01:04:09,178
If there's another place
waiting for me out there,
1198
01:04:09,245 --> 01:04:11,581
why are we all struggling
so hard to stay alive?
1199
01:04:11,647 --> 01:04:14,584
I think we've convinced
ourselves
that there's better things
1200
01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:19,121
out there so that life
doesn't seem so sad.
1201
01:04:21,324 --> 01:04:22,692
And then the other thing
people would tell me
1202
01:04:22,758 --> 01:04:25,027
is everything happens for a
reason, which I just thought,
1203
01:04:25,094 --> 01:04:27,463
you know, what the hell
does that even mean?
1204
01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:31,000
What could even be a possible
reason
1205
01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:32,969
that would make this worthwhile?
1206
01:04:38,674 --> 01:04:43,212
It's really hard to be
motivated,
1207
01:04:43,279 --> 01:04:45,114
to take care of myself in a
world
1208
01:04:45,181 --> 01:04:48,017
where that can happen to
someone who is so wonderful.
1209
01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:14,377
On the way to Savannah,
1210
01:05:15,511 --> 01:05:18,714
I just increasingly felt my
stomach drop
1211
01:05:18,781 --> 01:05:20,716
and my heart rate elevate.
1212
01:05:22,652 --> 01:05:25,154
The only reason I ever came to
Savannah
1213
01:05:25,221 --> 01:05:27,189
was after Alice was murdered,
1214
01:05:28,024 --> 01:05:30,326
this place just gives me the
creeps.
1215
01:05:35,164 --> 01:05:36,699
As things look right now,
1216
01:05:36,766 --> 01:05:39,735
there are very few witnesses
that are allowed to talk,
1217
01:05:40,369 --> 01:05:42,238
so we're getting pretty nervous.
1218
01:05:43,172 --> 01:05:45,608
Mike Jones, the first defendant,
1219
01:05:45,675 --> 01:05:49,312
is the one who's
incriminated Nate Wilkins.
1220
01:05:49,378 --> 01:05:51,681
We're not allowed to use
anything that he said,
1221
01:05:51,747 --> 01:05:54,250
Nate Wilkins has been pretty
quiet,
1222
01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:57,320
whereas with the first
defendant, he told everyone.
1223
01:05:58,988 --> 01:06:00,222
There's no physical evidence
1224
01:06:00,289 --> 01:06:04,026
and there's very little
circumstantial evidence as well.
1225
01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:07,129
I just really wanna know
1226
01:06:07,363 --> 01:06:09,398
what's gonna happen with this
trial.
1227
01:06:30,553 --> 01:06:32,154
I have to sit like five feet
1228
01:06:32,221 --> 01:06:34,657
from the person who killed my
sister,
1229
01:06:34,724 --> 01:06:36,692
and it's really hard to
sit there next to them
1230
01:06:36,759 --> 01:06:37,860
breathe the same air.
1231
01:06:39,161 --> 01:06:41,430
- Can you imagine him
coming in looking like that?
1232
01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:43,432
All studious with his glasses
on,
1233
01:06:43,499 --> 01:06:47,136
and this nice shirt and
his pants, and no chains.
1234
01:06:48,771 --> 01:06:51,741
It meant nothing to him, it
meant absolutely nothing to him
1235
01:06:52,174 --> 01:06:54,543
that he killed somebody,
he could care less.
1236
01:06:58,314 --> 01:06:59,648
- Here's why we're here.
1237
01:07:00,483 --> 01:07:02,451
This is Forrest Ison, he's 27
years old,
1238
01:07:02,518 --> 01:07:05,187
let's go on and kill the
lights so you can see this.
1239
01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:08,391
His girlfriend is Alice
Stevens, she was 24.
1240
01:07:08,457 --> 01:07:10,026
They were young, and they were
in love,
1241
01:07:10,092 --> 01:07:11,727
and they worked together,
1242
01:07:11,794 --> 01:07:13,562
that's how they looked
when they were alive.
1243
01:07:13,629 --> 01:07:15,031
Next picture.
1244
01:07:15,097 --> 01:07:16,866
Here's what he did to them.
1245
01:07:16,932 --> 01:07:18,834
There are drive by shootings,
1246
01:07:18,901 --> 01:07:20,903
there are accidental shootings,
1247
01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:24,573
then there's this thing,
up close and personal.
1248
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,476
Now that is petty, and dumb, and
mean,
1249
01:07:27,543 --> 01:07:29,311
as a motivation, you're gonna
find.
1250
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:33,015
- I think when you have
horrific crimes like this,
1251
01:07:33,082 --> 01:07:35,251
this pressure on the prosecution
1252
01:07:35,317 --> 01:07:37,219
to come up with some sort of
resolve,
1253
01:07:37,286 --> 01:07:39,889
and sometimes that pressure
forces them
1254
01:07:39,955 --> 01:07:42,892
to try to put square
into pegs round holes,
1255
01:07:42,958 --> 01:07:46,796
and they try to make it fit
to get a certain result,
1256
01:07:46,862 --> 01:07:49,198
and that's what happened in this
case.
1257
01:07:50,699 --> 01:07:52,835
- Chris Trebuchet is
the one who found the bodies
1258
01:07:52,902 --> 01:07:53,769
and called 9/11.
1259
01:07:53,836 --> 01:07:57,339
He heard the shots, ran
after the perpetrators,
1260
01:07:57,473 --> 01:07:58,941
got a decent look at them.
1261
01:07:59,041 --> 01:08:03,779
- I heard two gunshots, and
a God awful loud scream.
1262
01:08:03,946 --> 01:08:05,314
- Human
scream? Animal scream?
1263
01:08:05,381 --> 01:08:06,649
What kind of scream?
1264
01:08:06,715 --> 01:08:08,818
- A human scream, like,
you'd see at a horror movie.
1265
01:08:08,918 --> 01:08:11,087
- If you know,
you know, did it sound male
1266
01:08:11,187 --> 01:08:13,189
or did it sound female?
1267
01:08:13,289 --> 01:08:16,392
- It was a female, to the
extent it would make the hair
1268
01:08:16,492 --> 01:08:18,461
on the back of your neck stand
up.
1269
01:08:19,628 --> 01:08:20,629
- It's tough to hear
1270
01:08:20,696 --> 01:08:23,232
about Alice's blood curdling
screams,
1271
01:08:23,332 --> 01:08:25,267
he said it sounded like
something that you hear
1272
01:08:25,367 --> 01:08:26,702
in a horror movie.
1273
01:08:27,636 --> 01:08:30,039
- I think I feel sadder
than I was when I came here
1274
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,208
because I had to relive so many
times,
1275
01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:35,644
hearing her scream, "No, Nate!
No, Nate!"
1276
01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:38,848
- Then came the really hard
stuff,
1277
01:08:39,582 --> 01:08:42,852
we went through the autopsies,
ad nauseum.
1278
01:08:43,586 --> 01:08:45,354
We went through all the pictures
1279
01:08:45,421 --> 01:08:48,324
of where the bullets entered
their bodies,
1280
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:49,925
where they exited their bodies,
1281
01:08:49,992 --> 01:08:51,760
where the fragments of bullets
were found
1282
01:08:51,827 --> 01:08:53,129
in Forrest's skull.
1283
01:08:53,195 --> 01:08:54,964
- This is an
identification photograph
1284
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:56,532
- It was just brutal.
1285
01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:58,000
- ... Mrs Steven's body.
1286
01:08:58,067 --> 01:09:02,471
To account for the bruise in
the back, I kick the back,
1287
01:09:02,538 --> 01:09:04,173
I send him to the ground,
1288
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,275
I walk over, one shot.
1289
01:09:06,342 --> 01:09:07,510
At this point I would say-
1290
01:09:07,576 --> 01:09:10,579
- I just kept imagining
the terror that she felt.
1291
01:09:12,014 --> 01:09:17,419
I really feel so terrible
at what she must've felt,
1292
01:09:20,022 --> 01:09:22,625
knowing that the guy was gonna
shoot her.
1293
01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,261
- You pull the trigger
on that,
1294
01:09:25,327 --> 01:09:27,062
are you gonna get blood
spatter on that gun?
1295
01:09:27,129 --> 01:09:29,365
- Yes, sir, you're gonna
have what's called blowback,
1296
01:09:29,431 --> 01:09:32,535
where material comes back onto
the weapon,
1297
01:09:32,701 --> 01:09:36,639
blood mainly, brain tissue,
back onto the weapon.
1298
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,141
- That's all I have for this
witness.
1299
01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:45,681
- Watch your step.
1300
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:49,285
- Tell us your name,
please, sir?
1301
01:09:49,351 --> 01:09:50,653
- Michael Jones.
1302
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:53,622
- Michael Jones,
you're currently incarcerated
1303
01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:56,959
based on the same murder
prosecuted, is that correct?
1304
01:09:57,026 --> 01:09:57,927
- Yup.
1305
01:09:57,993 --> 01:09:59,995
- That said, you know
this guy?
1306
01:10:00,763 --> 01:10:02,731
- I refuse to answer anything
else.
1307
01:10:02,798 --> 01:10:03,799
- Do you know this
defendant?
1308
01:10:03,866 --> 01:10:06,235
- I refuse to answer anything
else.
1309
01:10:06,302 --> 01:10:07,770
Let the record show, I said
that.
1310
01:10:07,836 --> 01:10:09,638
- Obviously, he's
not gonna say anything.
1311
01:10:09,705 --> 01:10:10,439
- He's certainly
not gonna help on purpose,
1312
01:10:10,506 --> 01:10:11,340
but I had to question him.
1313
01:10:11,407 --> 01:10:12,508
- Yeah.
1314
01:10:12,575 --> 01:10:13,842
- Did this man participate in
this thing?
1315
01:10:15,711 --> 01:10:17,780
- I refuse to ask any
questions that you got for me.
1316
01:10:17,846 --> 01:10:19,782
- Do you know anything about
this murder?
1317
01:10:19,848 --> 01:10:21,417
- Like I said the
first time.
1318
01:10:22,384 --> 01:10:23,519
- You think it's funny?
1319
01:10:23,586 --> 01:10:24,853
- I refuse
to answer anything.
1320
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,355
- You understand that
if you refuse to testify
1321
01:10:26,422 --> 01:10:28,791
this court can hold you in
contempt?
1322
01:10:28,857 --> 01:10:30,292
- I got to life sentences
without parole,
1323
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:32,361
what's contempt to me?
1324
01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:36,699
- They brought
Mike Jones to the stand,
1325
01:10:36,765 --> 01:10:38,334
but he was just super defiant.
1326
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,668
He laughed a couple of times,
1327
01:10:39,735 --> 01:10:41,270
I mean, he clearly just
thinks this is all a big joke
1328
01:10:41,337 --> 01:10:44,473
like, look at me, look how
cool I am that I did this.
1329
01:10:46,208 --> 01:10:48,077
And it's hard to know that
the guy he did it with
1330
01:10:48,143 --> 01:10:50,646
is sitting there still
fighting to get away with it,
1331
01:10:50,713 --> 01:10:53,549
and that he has a shot
at it, is unbelievable.
1332
01:10:55,117 --> 01:10:55,985
It's scary.
1333
01:11:00,823 --> 01:11:03,425
So the morning was a mess.
1334
01:11:03,492 --> 01:11:05,294
- I heard you testify
a little,
1335
01:11:05,361 --> 01:11:08,130
that one of the gentlemen had
dreads?
1336
01:11:08,197 --> 01:11:08,998
- Yes, sir.
1337
01:11:09,064 --> 01:11:11,133
- You have never seen that guy
before
1338
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,268
in the four and a half years
1339
01:11:12,334 --> 01:11:13,869
this case has been pending, have
you?
1340
01:11:13,936 --> 01:11:16,505
- The witness, Chris
Trebuchet, suddenly today,
1341
01:11:16,572 --> 01:11:19,074
he remembers dreadlocks
on one of the people,
1342
01:11:19,141 --> 01:11:21,644
he's never said that in four
years before.
1343
01:11:23,746 --> 01:11:24,980
So clearly he's seen pictures
1344
01:11:25,214 --> 01:11:26,682
of the defendant with dreadlocks
1345
01:11:26,749 --> 01:11:29,885
and he's trying to help too
much.
1346
01:11:30,619 --> 01:11:32,621
The Chief of Police from
Thunderbolt,
1347
01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:35,824
he had to leave the trial
because he has a heart condition
1348
01:11:35,891 --> 01:11:38,294
and he was looking pretty bad.
1349
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,695
- Oh Chief's been very sick.
1350
01:11:39,762 --> 01:11:42,298
Yeah, Chief Merriman has been
very sick.
1351
01:11:42,364 --> 01:11:43,532
From our vantage point it looks
like
1352
01:11:43,599 --> 01:11:45,768
he's solely holding out for this
trial.
1353
01:11:46,502 --> 01:11:48,070
- But Chief Merriman gets on the
stand,
1354
01:11:48,137 --> 01:11:49,538
and man, he's looking gray.
1355
01:11:49,605 --> 01:11:53,742
He is not feeling well
and you can tell, oh boy.
1356
01:11:53,909 --> 01:11:55,411
- You just
testified to the jury,
1357
01:11:55,477 --> 01:11:56,845
she admitted that she was
driving.
1358
01:11:56,912 --> 01:11:59,281
Now you're saying that's
not what took place?
1359
01:12:00,049 --> 01:12:02,418
I may have been confused, Mr
Attridge.
1360
01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:03,585
- The defense is trying to make
him look
1361
01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:04,820
like he botched the police work,
1362
01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:06,622
and now he looks like
this confused old man.
1363
01:12:06,689 --> 01:12:08,557
And you're like, maybe
he can convince the jury
1364
01:12:08,624 --> 01:12:09,758
that he's a confused old man,
1365
01:12:09,825 --> 01:12:12,294
and he messed up his last case.
1366
01:12:14,963 --> 01:12:17,966
There's only one person
who was actually there,
1367
01:12:18,067 --> 01:12:19,802
whose testimony matters,
1368
01:12:19,868 --> 01:12:23,405
and her name is Tracy Burgess
Wilkins.
1369
01:12:23,505 --> 01:12:25,808
She's Nathaniel Wilkins's
sister,
1370
01:12:25,908 --> 01:12:28,711
she drove the getaway car,
she had a firsthand account
1371
01:12:28,811 --> 01:12:30,112
and saw everything go down.
1372
01:12:30,179 --> 01:12:33,315
If her testimony comes off as
credible,
1373
01:12:33,415 --> 01:12:35,417
I think we're in a good spot.
1374
01:12:35,484 --> 01:12:37,820
However, she's not very
credible.
1375
01:12:37,886 --> 01:12:41,724
She forgets things, and she's
changed her story a few times,
1376
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:44,893
so it's hard to say
whether or not the jury
1377
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,962
will find her as a credible
witness,
1378
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:50,265
'cause that's basically
this whole case now.
1379
01:12:50,332 --> 01:12:52,334
- He pointed a gun
at her, and what did she say?
1380
01:12:52,401 --> 01:12:54,103
- No Nate! No, Nate! No, Nate!
1381
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:55,504
- You heard her say your
brother's name?
1382
01:12:55,571 --> 01:12:56,638
- Yes, sir. Out loud.
1383
01:12:56,705 --> 01:12:57,773
- Then what happened?
1384
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,575
- That's when my brother
pulled the trigger
1385
01:12:59,641 --> 01:13:02,378
and shot her directly in
the neck, and she fell.
1386
01:13:02,444 --> 01:13:03,812
- What happened next?
1387
01:13:03,879 --> 01:13:05,581
- So that's when the male victim
decided
1388
01:13:05,647 --> 01:13:06,882
to make one more step,
1389
01:13:06,949 --> 01:13:09,051
and Mike pumped every
round inside of his chest.
1390
01:13:10,152 --> 01:13:11,420
- Did Nathaniel ever
describe him
1391
01:13:11,487 --> 01:13:13,222
as anything in particular?
1392
01:13:13,288 --> 01:13:14,189
- My brother told people
1393
01:13:14,256 --> 01:13:16,759
that he got rid of some
germs and bacteria.
1394
01:13:19,128 --> 01:13:21,296
- With Jerry, Tracy did
okay,
1395
01:13:21,363 --> 01:13:24,032
but the defense just
started tearing her apart.
1396
01:13:24,733 --> 01:13:27,336
She got facts wrong, she got
dates wrong,
1397
01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:30,873
she got the timing wrong, she
kept messing up her story,
1398
01:13:31,807 --> 01:13:33,175
to look pretty bad.
1399
01:13:33,242 --> 01:13:35,577
- Let me ask you
this,
1400
01:13:35,644 --> 01:13:37,679
did you tell someone at one
point in time
1401
01:13:37,746 --> 01:13:41,583
that at the time of the
shooting,
you were in the back seat
1402
01:13:41,650 --> 01:13:44,119
of the vehicle having sex with
Michael?
1403
01:13:44,186 --> 01:13:45,621
- Yes sir, I told my baby
sister.
1404
01:13:45,687 --> 01:13:47,423
- According to
that lie,
1405
01:13:47,489 --> 01:13:48,824
who is the shooter then,
1406
01:13:48,891 --> 01:13:51,794
if Michael Jones is in the
backseat having sex with you?
1407
01:13:53,562 --> 01:13:55,497
- Michael Jones was the shooter.
1408
01:13:55,564 --> 01:13:58,600
We could have stopped having
sex and he could've got out.
1409
01:14:01,904 --> 01:14:05,207
- It's unsettling how nervous we
are
1410
01:14:05,274 --> 01:14:09,178
about the outcome of this
trial considering what we know.
1411
01:14:09,244 --> 01:14:12,648
That shouldn't be in doubt,
there should be no doubt.
1412
01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:16,151
- Things aren't looking
good for us right now.
1413
01:14:17,252 --> 01:14:20,556
Jerry told us that there's
a plea deal on the table,
1414
01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:23,192
Nate and his representation are
offering
1415
01:14:23,258 --> 01:14:25,527
that they'll plead guilty to
one count of manslaughter,
1416
01:14:25,594 --> 01:14:26,829
which gets him 20 years.
1417
01:14:27,629 --> 01:14:32,468
He'd probably serve 14 or 16
of those and then be paroled.
1418
01:14:32,534 --> 01:14:34,803
He's already served three and a
half
1419
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:37,005
which he would get credit for
time served,
1420
01:14:37,072 --> 01:14:41,543
and people are seriously
considering taking this plea
deal.
1421
01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:44,913
Personally, it doesn't
make a difference to me
1422
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:48,016
whether he gets out in a week
or if he gets out in 15 years,
1423
01:14:48,083 --> 01:14:50,319
is that he deserves to be in
jail forever.
1424
01:14:51,186 --> 01:14:53,989
If he gets out at all,
it's a failure to me.
1425
01:14:55,524 --> 01:14:57,459
What's the rest of my life look
like
1426
01:14:57,526 --> 01:14:59,294
knowing that this guy's out
there?
1427
01:15:00,395 --> 01:15:02,431
- So we all thought about it
that night
1428
01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:04,600
and really agonized about it.
1429
01:15:04,666 --> 01:15:07,336
The next morning we go in
and I very reluctantly said,
1430
01:15:07,402 --> 01:15:10,138
maybe that's best to do
because the defense attorney
1431
01:15:10,205 --> 01:15:13,242
seemed to be trying to discredit
the witnesses so badly,
1432
01:15:13,308 --> 01:15:15,677
I didn't know how the jury would
react.
1433
01:15:15,744 --> 01:15:18,647
- So we brought the plea to the
defense,
1434
01:15:18,814 --> 01:15:22,050
who suggested the plea
bargain in the first place,
1435
01:15:23,385 --> 01:15:24,820
and then the defendant
turned around and said,
1436
01:15:24,887 --> 01:15:26,922
"Nah, I don't want it after all.
1437
01:15:26,989 --> 01:15:29,358
I think I'm gonna to win this
thing."
1438
01:15:29,424 --> 01:15:31,894
So after crying and fighting
1439
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,630
and deliberating about this
plea bargain all morning,
1440
01:15:34,696 --> 01:15:37,699
and me essentially losing the
argument,
1441
01:15:38,567 --> 01:15:40,669
now we're gonna try the case
anyways.
1442
01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:43,805
- If you would, sir,
please speak up loud and clear,
1443
01:15:43,872 --> 01:15:47,276
and tell the ladies and
gentlemen of the jury your name.
1444
01:15:47,342 --> 01:15:48,977
- Doris Bernard Cooper.
1445
01:15:49,044 --> 01:15:50,279
- Spell Doris for me.
1446
01:15:50,345 --> 01:15:52,247
- D-O-R-I-S.
1447
01:15:52,314 --> 01:15:56,785
- George Cooper also was a
witness, he worked in the
kitchen
1448
01:15:56,852 --> 01:15:59,755
at Blow And Smoke with Mike and
Nate,
1449
01:15:59,821 --> 01:16:00,722
and Mike started bragging to him
1450
01:16:00,789 --> 01:16:02,291
about how he committed this
murder.
1451
01:16:02,357 --> 01:16:05,027
And then when Nate rolled
up at the end of the night,
1452
01:16:05,093 --> 01:16:07,029
Mike took out a bloody shirt
and said, "Look at this,
1453
01:16:07,095 --> 01:16:09,831
this is the blood that
we wiped off the gun."
1454
01:16:09,898 --> 01:16:13,502
- This is the T-shirt we
used to wipe the blood
1455
01:16:13,602 --> 01:16:14,903
and our prints.
1456
01:16:14,970 --> 01:16:16,405
- The only reason there's blood
on the gun
1457
01:16:16,471 --> 01:16:18,907
is because there was a contact
shot in the back of the head.
1458
01:16:18,974 --> 01:16:21,677
The forensic evidence is now
backing up
1459
01:16:21,743 --> 01:16:22,945
George Cooper's statement.
1460
01:16:23,011 --> 01:16:25,147
Suddenly he looks like a
much more credible witness
1461
01:16:25,213 --> 01:16:29,318
than just this 'streetwalker',
as the defense called him,
1462
01:16:29,384 --> 01:16:31,186
'a street person'
1463
01:16:32,421 --> 01:16:35,424
who was testifying looking
for some reward money.
1464
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:37,159
- Let's look at Tracy Burgess,
1465
01:16:37,225 --> 01:16:39,861
who is the foundation to their
case.
1466
01:16:39,928 --> 01:16:42,598
What is Tracy Burgess?
1467
01:16:42,664 --> 01:16:47,869
Tracy Burgess is a thief, she is
a liar.
1468
01:16:51,006 --> 01:16:53,241
Her testimony has been
contradicted
1469
01:16:53,308 --> 01:16:57,179
by every other witnesses'
testimony in this case.
1470
01:16:57,245 --> 01:16:59,681
So not only is she a proven
liar,
1471
01:16:59,748 --> 01:17:02,951
she is a admitted liar.
1472
01:17:03,719 --> 01:17:06,455
- They've been harping and
harping on Tracy being a liar,
1473
01:17:06,555 --> 01:17:07,356
she said she was on this street
1474
01:17:07,422 --> 01:17:08,924
but she was actually on the
street,
1475
01:17:08,991 --> 01:17:11,760
she said that she wasn't
the driver but she was,
1476
01:17:11,860 --> 01:17:14,096
and now she's admitting she's a
driver...
1477
01:17:15,263 --> 01:17:17,966
So the defense brings out
one piece of evidence,
1478
01:17:18,066 --> 01:17:21,737
this tape of Tracy being
escorted to the jail
1479
01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:24,906
in a police car with Chief
Merriman.
1480
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,575
I'm like, oh man, she's
gonna look so bad on this,
1481
01:17:26,642 --> 01:17:27,509
she's going to look...
1482
01:17:27,576 --> 01:17:28,610
She's gonna tell like yet
another story
1483
01:17:28,677 --> 01:17:29,544
that we don't even know about,
1484
01:17:29,611 --> 01:17:31,546
she's gonna look like a liar.
1485
01:17:32,948 --> 01:17:34,616
- My brother came to my
house.
1486
01:17:34,683 --> 01:17:38,787
He said, "Tracey, do you all
wanna ride and have some fun?"
1487
01:17:38,854 --> 01:17:41,923
We said yeah, so we rode around.
1488
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:45,227
Next thing I knew my brother
went into Thunderbolt.
1489
01:17:45,293 --> 01:17:48,897
He got out, and the
lady, I think, I heard,
1490
01:17:48,964 --> 01:17:50,799
she screamed his name.
1491
01:17:50,866 --> 01:17:53,001
So my brother shot her.
1492
01:17:53,068 --> 01:17:57,639
I don't know where he shot
her at, but he shot her.
1493
01:17:57,706 --> 01:17:58,907
Mike shot too.
1494
01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:02,978
- Why
did you tell me earlier
1495
01:18:03,045 --> 01:18:04,312
you weren't in the car?
1496
01:18:04,379 --> 01:18:07,783
- I was scared, I
was scared, I was scared.
1497
01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:13,321
And then my brother told
me of I tell he'd kill me,
1498
01:18:13,388 --> 01:18:14,256
so I left.
1499
01:18:16,291 --> 01:18:17,559
I left and went back to Atlanta
1500
01:18:17,626 --> 01:18:22,364
because he said he'd kill
me if I run my mouth.
1501
01:18:23,432 --> 01:18:27,069
Lord, and my brother means what
he says.
1502
01:18:31,373 --> 01:18:34,076
But I never drove the car,
never.
1503
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:40,182
How can you do it?
1504
01:18:47,456 --> 01:18:49,925
- Tracy was just sobbing her
heart out,
1505
01:18:49,991 --> 01:18:51,827
I mean, she was crying
hysterically,
1506
01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:54,296
so I think that was the real
Tracy.
1507
01:18:54,362 --> 01:18:58,033
And she's told a different
story then, than she had before.
1508
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:00,469
But she's never wavered ever,
ever, ever,
1509
01:19:00,535 --> 01:19:02,204
no matter how many
different stories she's had,
1510
01:19:02,604 --> 01:19:05,841
that it was Mike Jones, who
was her boyfriend at the time,
1511
01:19:05,907 --> 01:19:09,311
and Nate Wilkins, were the
killers.
1512
01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:14,516
- It's nerve
wracking to just sit there
1513
01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:18,086
with nothing to do except think
about
1514
01:19:18,153 --> 01:19:19,654
what the hell this verdict could
be,
1515
01:19:19,721 --> 01:19:21,523
or if there will be a verdict.
1516
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:23,925
There's only one way
that this trial can go,
1517
01:19:23,992 --> 01:19:26,461
that we'll walk away somewhat
satisfied.
1518
01:19:26,528 --> 01:19:28,563
We need the verdict to be
guilty.
1519
01:19:29,664 --> 01:19:30,432
If there's a hung jury,
1520
01:19:30,499 --> 01:19:31,767
then we're gonna have to come
back
1521
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,401
and do this thing all over
again.
1522
01:19:33,468 --> 01:19:34,970
They say these things
don't usually get better,
1523
01:19:35,036 --> 01:19:36,304
usually if you get one hung
jury,
1524
01:19:36,371 --> 01:19:38,006
that means that he's on the
way to getting out eventually,
1525
01:19:38,073 --> 01:19:40,408
because witnesses don't
remember things better
1526
01:19:40,475 --> 01:19:41,810
as time goes on.
1527
01:19:44,946 --> 01:19:46,848
Obviously if he's found not
guilty,
1528
01:19:46,915 --> 01:19:49,551
then that is the worst possible
outcome.
1529
01:19:51,386 --> 01:19:53,255
Please, please let it be guilty.
1530
01:19:57,926 --> 01:19:59,995
Please let it be guilty.
1531
01:20:01,129 --> 01:20:03,532
- Defendant, arise.
1532
01:20:05,934 --> 01:20:06,902
- In the superior court
1533
01:20:06,968 --> 01:20:08,570
of Chatham County, State of
Georgia,
1534
01:20:08,637 --> 01:20:11,873
State of Georgia versus
Nathaniel Willie Wilkins,
1535
01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:15,877
Jury verdict; Count one, malice
murder.
1536
01:20:15,944 --> 01:20:19,447
We, the jury, found the
defendant
guilty of malice murder.
1537
01:20:19,948 --> 01:20:22,083
Count two, malice murder;
1538
01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:25,353
We, the jury found the defendant
guilty of malice murder.
1539
01:20:26,655 --> 01:20:27,856
Count three, felony murder;
1540
01:20:27,923 --> 01:20:31,193
we, the jury, found the
defendant
guilty of felony murder.
1541
01:20:31,259 --> 01:20:33,395
Count four, felony murder;
1542
01:20:33,461 --> 01:20:36,565
We, the jury found the defendant
guilty of felony murder.
1543
01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:40,135
Count five, aggravated assault;
1544
01:20:40,202 --> 01:20:41,970
We, the jury, found the
defendant guilty
1545
01:20:42,037 --> 01:20:43,805
of aggravated assault.
1546
01:20:43,872 --> 01:20:45,874
Count six, aggravated assault;
1547
01:20:45,941 --> 01:20:47,209
We, the jury, found the
defendant guilty
1548
01:20:47,275 --> 01:20:49,444
of aggravated assault.
1549
01:20:56,351 --> 01:20:58,019
- Today, it's finally done.
1550
01:21:01,122 --> 01:21:03,892
The verdict came back guilty.
1551
01:21:06,661 --> 01:21:08,129
What an elated feeling.
1552
01:21:10,232 --> 01:21:13,902
- And then it was, guilty,
guilty, guilty.
1553
01:21:15,637 --> 01:21:16,304
Oh my God.
1554
01:21:16,371 --> 01:21:17,973
- I know, this day was hard.
1555
01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:22,210
- I had to not offend anybody
by showing joy at the verdict,
1556
01:21:22,277 --> 01:21:25,113
what kind of justice
is that for the victim?
1557
01:21:31,086 --> 01:21:32,420
- Hello?
1558
01:21:32,487 --> 01:21:33,221
- Hey.
1559
01:21:33,288 --> 01:21:35,490
- Oh, hey.
1560
01:21:36,324 --> 01:21:38,293
- So I have some good
news and some bad news.
1561
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:39,594
The good news is that
they found him guilty.
1562
01:21:39,661 --> 01:21:41,529
- Oh, that's awesome,
honey.
1563
01:21:41,596 --> 01:21:45,033
That is good, I'm really
happy to hear that.
1564
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:46,635
- The bad news is I have
to stay through Thursday
1565
01:21:51,539 --> 01:21:54,042
because they're sentencing
him on Thursday.
1566
01:21:55,477 --> 01:21:56,478
- Because they're
doing what Thursday?
1567
01:21:56,544 --> 01:21:58,213
- They're sentencing him on
Thursday.
1568
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,481
- Oh, okay.
1569
01:22:00,282 --> 01:22:03,318
All right, well
1570
01:22:03,385 --> 01:22:04,252
- Hmm?
1571
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,554
- That's great though.
1572
01:22:06,621 --> 01:22:07,489
- Yeah.
1573
01:22:12,594 --> 01:22:14,162
Okay, so I just wanted to let
you know.
1574
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:15,964
- Thank you, oh my
gosh.
1575
01:22:16,031 --> 01:22:18,033
I'm so happy, I'm so glad.
1576
01:22:19,968 --> 01:22:21,136
- I love you.
1577
01:22:21,202 --> 01:22:22,904
- I love you too.
1578
01:22:22,971 --> 01:22:24,673
- Okay, talk to you later.
1579
01:22:24,739 --> 01:22:26,007
- Okay, bye.
1580
01:22:27,409 --> 01:22:29,311
- That didn't go very well.
1581
01:22:33,815 --> 01:22:37,953
I had hoped that if and
when this moment happened,
1582
01:22:38,019 --> 01:22:39,354
that it would change everything,
1583
01:22:39,421 --> 01:22:42,424
that I'd be able to get on with
my life.
1584
01:22:43,425 --> 01:22:44,459
That things would just
instantly get better,
1585
01:22:44,526 --> 01:22:46,261
and there is a weight lifted,
there is.
1586
01:22:46,328 --> 01:22:48,830
The justice system has
done all that it can
1587
01:22:49,097 --> 01:22:52,534
but Alice is still dead.
1588
01:22:56,404 --> 01:22:59,007
Two people in the middle of the
night, still snuck up on her
1589
01:22:59,074 --> 01:23:01,343
and shot her at close range,
1590
01:23:01,409 --> 01:23:03,378
that makes the world feel
a little less safe to me,
1591
01:23:03,445 --> 01:23:05,213
knowing that can happen
to someone like Alice.
1592
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:06,581
She didn't instigate anything,
1593
01:23:06,648 --> 01:23:08,516
she didn't have anything
to do with what happened,
1594
01:23:08,583 --> 01:23:11,086
except that she was just
there when two people had guns
1595
01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:12,687
and were after her boyfriend.
1596
01:23:14,422 --> 01:23:15,657
I have three kids,
1597
01:23:19,094 --> 01:23:22,397
it scares the shit out of me
that they live in that world.
1598
01:24:02,871 --> 01:24:03,938
- The one thing I think
these families want
1599
01:24:04,005 --> 01:24:05,173
at the end of the trial,
1600
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,809
is for Mr. Rothschild to stand
up after a verdict and go,
1601
01:24:07,876 --> 01:24:09,878
"Now we're gonna open the
back rooms to the courtroom,
1602
01:24:09,944 --> 01:24:11,246
and here comes your family
member back
1603
01:24:11,312 --> 01:24:13,214
to sit down with you and leave."
1604
01:24:14,015 --> 01:24:15,350
That's never gonna happen,
1605
01:24:15,417 --> 01:24:16,818
but that's the one thing they
want,
1606
01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:19,220
is the one thing I can ever give
them.
1607
01:24:24,959 --> 01:24:26,761
Ethically, and emotionally,
and spiritually,
1608
01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:29,497
in every other way they're just
lost.
1609
01:24:29,564 --> 01:24:32,167
And so I'm not gonna say they
get closure,
1610
01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:35,503
what they get is a starting
line, not a finishing line.
1611
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:36,604
What they can do is start
the rest of their life.
1612
01:24:36,671 --> 01:24:38,740
- Bye-bye
- Thank you, God.
1613
01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:52,720
- I've tried to be a good
person my whole life,
1614
01:24:52,787 --> 01:24:55,790
but I'm not a good Christian,
I don't forgive him.
1615
01:24:55,857 --> 01:24:56,825
I don't forgive him.
1616
01:24:56,891 --> 01:24:59,427
I want everybody to know
that they can tell me,
1617
01:24:59,494 --> 01:25:00,995
oh, it's time to get on with
your life,
1618
01:25:01,062 --> 01:25:03,965
or now you can finally
move on, or it's closure.
1619
01:25:04,032 --> 01:25:04,999
It's not a closure,
1620
01:25:06,034 --> 01:25:08,636
the grief is still there,
it will always be there.
1621
01:25:08,703 --> 01:25:10,705
There will always be an empty
chair at the dinner table,
1622
01:25:10,772 --> 01:25:13,475
there will always be an
empty place in the holidays.
1623
01:25:13,541 --> 01:25:15,643
Don't I hope nobody says that to
me.
1624
01:25:19,547 --> 01:25:22,650
You know Alice kind of had
trouble finding herself,
1625
01:25:22,717 --> 01:25:26,221
but as you found out, she
meant a lot to so many people.
1626
01:25:27,322 --> 01:25:29,324
She just did not have the
opportunity
1627
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:30,625
to fulfill her potential.
1628
01:25:30,692 --> 01:25:32,360
- You want a
little card to go with that?
1629
01:25:32,427 --> 01:25:34,129
- No, they're for me.
1630
01:25:34,195 --> 01:25:35,296
- Oh.
1631
01:25:35,363 --> 01:25:36,598
- My daughter's birthday is
tomorrow,
1632
01:25:36,664 --> 01:25:38,633
she was murdered four years ago,
1633
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:40,969
so those are her favorite
flowers
1634
01:25:41,035 --> 01:25:44,706
and we're just honoring her.
1635
01:25:45,507 --> 01:25:47,008
- That's very sweet.
1636
01:25:47,075 --> 01:25:47,709
You got it?
1637
01:25:47,775 --> 01:25:48,676
- Yeah, I think so. Thank you
1638
01:25:48,743 --> 01:25:50,912
- All right, thank
you.
1639
01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:00,955
- I gave up everything in
my life to be a priest.
1640
01:26:01,022 --> 01:26:04,726
I gave up my career,
I cashed in my savings
1641
01:26:04,792 --> 01:26:08,396
to be able to declare to
everyone
1642
01:26:08,463 --> 01:26:13,168
that they are part of this
eternal wonder of God,
1643
01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:18,306
and Alice's murder made
me stop and question
1644
01:26:19,507 --> 01:26:21,342
if I could do that anymore.
1645
01:26:24,379 --> 01:26:27,148
And there are still days when I
stand up
1646
01:26:27,215 --> 01:26:29,017
in front of a congregation
1647
01:26:29,817 --> 01:26:32,987
and the prayer that I have
before going out there
1648
01:26:33,054 --> 01:26:37,258
is that I need God to show up
and do it, because I can't.
1649
01:26:38,092 --> 01:26:41,963
That I will be the vessel,
but it can't be me,
1650
01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:43,998
it can't be my words,
1651
01:26:44,065 --> 01:26:45,033
because there are days
1652
01:26:45,099 --> 01:26:47,802
that it just doesn't
make sense to me anymore.
1653
01:27:14,162 --> 01:27:16,297
- So today is Alice's birthday,
1654
01:27:16,364 --> 01:27:19,067
It's been,
1655
01:27:20,201 --> 01:27:25,573
four years since she died,
she would be 28 today.
1656
01:27:26,908 --> 01:27:31,813
She loved her coy, so that's
why I have the turquoise trim,
1657
01:27:31,879 --> 01:27:34,716
the sunflowers, for her favorite
flower,
1658
01:27:36,517 --> 01:27:37,986
and it's a white cake.
1659
01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:42,223
I prefer chocolate, but today
since we're honoring Alice,
1660
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:44,525
it has to be a white cake.
1661
01:27:46,027 --> 01:27:48,496
Happy birthday to my little
Alice,
1662
01:27:50,431 --> 01:27:52,567
who we love and miss every
single day.
1663
01:27:54,435 --> 01:27:56,404
Wish you were here, Alice.
1664
01:28:00,675 --> 01:28:03,511
And I wish you liked chocolate
instead of white cake.
1665
01:28:40,481 --> 01:28:43,685
- Dear Phillip,
how have you been doing?
1666
01:28:43,751 --> 01:28:46,454
It's been so long since we've
hung out.
1667
01:28:46,721 --> 01:28:49,123
Remember when you last came to
Ma ine?
1668
01:28:49,190 --> 01:28:51,326
It was at least four or five
years ago.
1669
01:28:52,126 --> 01:28:54,662
You came out of the
airplane with a new hairdo,
1670
01:28:54,729 --> 01:28:56,297
and when we realized it was you,
1671
01:28:56,364 --> 01:28:58,299
we sang "When A Man Loves A
woman",
1672
01:28:58,366 --> 01:29:00,301
cause you reminded us of Michael
Bolton.
1673
01:29:00,368 --> 01:29:02,704
- This is Alice.
1674
01:29:02,770 --> 01:29:05,673
- I remember
that day perfectly too,
1675
01:29:05,740 --> 01:29:07,842
you couldn't stop complaining
about how cold you were
1676
01:29:07,909 --> 01:29:10,511
but you should've thought
about the Maine weather.
1677
01:29:11,312 --> 01:29:14,182
Actually, I have a weird
story about your wedding;
1678
01:29:15,016 --> 01:29:17,685
When the music was playing
and everyone was dancing,
1679
01:29:17,752 --> 01:29:18,886
I was dancing with you,
1680
01:29:18,953 --> 01:29:20,755
which I have a wicked awesome
picture of,
1681
01:29:20,822 --> 01:29:23,458
and we both kind of have the
same smile.
1682
01:29:23,524 --> 01:29:24,659
You look so happy.
1683
01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:27,695
That picture is strange
'cause I know the exact song
1684
01:29:27,762 --> 01:29:28,930
we were dancing to,
1685
01:29:29,831 --> 01:29:32,567
it was called "Dancing
In Heaven" by Q Feel,
1686
01:29:32,633 --> 01:29:34,435
and I downloaded it when we got
home
1687
01:29:34,502 --> 01:29:36,671
and listen to it all the time.
1688
01:29:36,738 --> 01:29:38,840
But I find it so ironic
because it talks about
1689
01:29:38,906 --> 01:29:41,809
being in heaven, and despite
all the drugs you did,
1690
01:29:41,876 --> 01:29:43,277
your addiction to alcohol
1691
01:29:43,344 --> 01:29:46,047
and the way you selfishly
took your own life,
1692
01:29:46,114 --> 01:29:48,716
there's no way God couldn't
have let you into heaven
1693
01:29:48,783 --> 01:29:51,119
with your amazing smile
and your good heart.
1694
01:29:54,922 --> 01:29:58,960
I think maybe if I was just
there and told you I loved you,
1695
01:29:59,026 --> 01:30:02,663
maybe, just maybe, you
would have rethought it.
1696
01:30:03,464 --> 01:30:06,000
I don't know, I'm just rambling.
1697
01:30:07,034 --> 01:30:09,003
I just want you to know, I love
you
1698
01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:12,440
and that not a day goes by
where I don't think of you.
1699
01:30:13,341 --> 01:30:16,677
Love, your little sis, Alice.
1700
01:31:13,968 --> 01:31:16,437
- I don't think
I'll ever really heal fully
1701
01:31:16,504 --> 01:31:17,905
from Alice's murder,
1702
01:31:18,739 --> 01:31:21,209
I'm probably changed forever in
many ways.
1703
01:31:22,243 --> 01:31:24,879
But making this film has
made me realize how much love
1704
01:31:24,946 --> 01:31:26,614
Alice gave to the world,
1705
01:31:27,715 --> 01:31:29,684
and how much she was loved
during her life
1706
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:31,619
even if she wasn't aware.
1707
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,690
And if she's out there
somewhere, which I would love,
1708
01:31:36,657 --> 01:31:39,961
I hope she's able to hear people
take time out of their day
1709
01:31:40,027 --> 01:31:41,963
to tell me how wonderful she
was.
1710
01:31:44,131 --> 01:31:48,603
- It's so incredible to know
that she made a difference.
1711
01:31:58,079 --> 01:32:00,982
- What kind of
things for your happiness now?
1712
01:32:01,883 --> 01:32:05,219
- Being with my family,
being with my Grandkids.
1713
01:32:17,398 --> 01:32:18,733
- Okay, Cooper.
1714
01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:26,574
What happened?
1715
01:32:26,641 --> 01:32:27,675
- Broke.
1716
01:32:28,776 --> 01:32:30,344
- You had too many eggs?
1717
01:32:30,411 --> 01:32:31,412
- No, I guess.
1718
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:32,613
- I think so.
1719
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,883
I'm going to do my best to
keep Alice's memory alive
1720
01:32:35,950 --> 01:32:37,051
through my family.
1721
01:32:38,152 --> 01:32:40,922
I know that she wouldn't want
me to completely fall apart,
1722
01:32:40,988 --> 01:32:42,356
that she'd want me to be there,
1723
01:32:42,423 --> 01:32:45,326
to be a good father, to be a
good husband.
1724
01:32:47,194 --> 01:32:50,197
My wife and I just renewed
our marriage vows recently,
1725
01:32:51,132 --> 01:32:52,833
and our new anniversary
is nowhere near the day
1726
01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:54,802
that Alice was murdered.
1727
01:32:56,270 --> 01:32:57,838
And as much as I don't wanna
leave Alice
1728
01:32:57,905 --> 01:33:00,041
completely in the past,
1729
01:33:00,107 --> 01:33:03,244
I hope that this is one small
step forward in my quest
1730
01:33:03,311 --> 01:33:05,279
to find happiness again.
1731
01:33:05,346 --> 01:33:06,213
Hey!
1732
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:11,218
Aw, look at you.
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