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hello friends I want to welcome you to
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the doctrines that divide series this is
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going to be a unique series of meetings
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where we're going to explore some of the
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doctrinal differences between our
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Seventh day Adventist Christian friends
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and some of the other Christians from
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mainline or evangelical churches in this
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evenings presentation we're going to be
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talking about a few doctrinal truths
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that are a little controversial now in
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this series we are talking about some of
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the beliefs of seventh-day Adventist
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Christians it's as Christian Adventist
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they're and then it's as other
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Christians and again there are a lot of
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dear Christian people seventh-day
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Adventist believe in other churches we
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freely agree the majority of Christ's
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true followers are in the Fellowship of
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other churches the seventh-day Adventist
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Church does not view itself as a
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denomination we view ourselves as a
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movement of prophecy into which people
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are called from all different walks of
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life
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indeed the seventh-day Adventist Church
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was formed as a coalescing of people
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from several denominations that came
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together and said let's return to
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biblical truth and so that's my appeal
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to you during this series I believe
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before Jesus comes back he's going to
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have a people united in the word his
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church is going to truly be of one
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Accord and so we're talking about some
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of these distinctive doctrinal
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differences and in some ways tonight's
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subject is going to be more difficult
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for some people than others represented
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some people shrug when you talk about
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the seventh-day Adventist view on the
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dietary things they said well you know
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that's good for health there's a lot of
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science behind it and when we talk about
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the the sanctuary and the cleansing they
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say well you know that's that's also
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very interesting Sabbath well we all
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need a day of rest but when you start
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talking about what happens when a person
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dies people really get very animated
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about that and so we're going to be
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talking tonight about those subjects of
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death hell and then we'll be talking a
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little bit about heaven and so once
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again if you haven't heard me explain
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this before I am wearing this special
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suit or this uniform and the purpose of
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this is to help you visualize when I'm
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on this side I'm representing pastor
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Doug and when I'm on this side I'm
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representing a figment of my imagination
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we're calling him pastor Barney and I
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guess I should give you more of a
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silhouette here so it's pastor Barney
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he's kind of in the white suit and
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pastor Doug is over here in the black
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suit I'm gonna be arguing from this side
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what I believe the biblical positions
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are on these subjects as a seventh-day
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Adventist I am biased and on this side
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I'll be sharing with you what I believed
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back before I was a seventh-day
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Adventist worshipping and preaching in
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churches in the other evangelical
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churches and so with that maybe I should
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introduce the first point in our study
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talking about the subject of death in
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particular now if you go to a church
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cemetery I remember when I lived in
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Texas and there's a lot of churches
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there that are Church of Christ Baptist
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Methodist churches every little town
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used to have a church because they were
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all little farming communities
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unfortunately in the last 60 70 years
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people have migrated to the cities a lot
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of these little churches have closed and
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sometime is on a Sabbath afternoon I'd
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go for a walk with the family in some of
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these church cemeteries and just read
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the tombstones and it was interesting
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that within the same Methodists or
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Baptists or Church of Christ cemetery
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you would immediately detect there was
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confusion on the subject of death you'd
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see one tombstone and it would say for
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example our beloved father now resting
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in Jesus waiting for the resurrection
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Trump or something like that then you'd
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go look at another
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stone it would say our dear mother now
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walking on the golden streets and glory
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and you're wondering where are they they
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weren't too sure a lot of them said
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r.i.p what does that stand for rest in
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peace and you know so sometimes you
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think that means they're resting in
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peace others would have beautiful poems
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about now in the arms of Jesus and
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there's just a lot of confusion about
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this subject of death and so with that
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quick introduction we're gonna get into
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our first question for tonight's
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presentation number one are the Dead
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awake and conscious now all right we're
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gonna let pastor Doug start out with
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some of these scriptures and this
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represents pretty much the Adventist
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position please II ask these nine verse
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five and six for the living know that
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they will die but the dead know not
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anything the dead don't know anything
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they know nothing they have no more
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reward for the memory of them is
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forgotten also their love and their envy
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is now perished when they're dead
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they're not envying they're not loving
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they're not hating or asleep please II
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ask these nine verse 10 you just jump
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down to the tenth verse same chapter
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whatever your hand finds to do do it
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with your might for there is no work or
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device or knowledge or wisdom in the
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grave where you're going people in the
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grave have no knowledge they have no
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wisdom and you would think the first
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thing a person would do if you die and
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you go immediately to be with Jesus I'd
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be praising the Lord wouldn't you but
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here's what King David said in Psalm 115
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the dead do not praise the Lord nor any
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who go down into silence pastor Doug
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I've just got to interrupt you right
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there you're reading from the Old
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Testament it wasn't until the
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resurrection of Jesus that he liberated
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all the souls that were in their graves
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after the resurrection of Jesus they
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went on to glory to be with Christ but
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pastor Barney I know I just read from
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King David but when you go to Acts
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chapter 2
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and Peter's preaching his sermon on
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Pentecost he said my brethren let me
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freely speak about the patriarch David
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that he is both dead and buried few
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verses later and not ascended to heaven
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so even after the resurrection Pentecost
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happens 50 days after the Passover and
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David still hasn't made it to heaven yet
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Peter said that he is dead and buried
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and not ascended into heaven but I still
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have a verse or two to read on that John
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11 verse 11 these things he said after
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that he said to them our friend Lazarus
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sleeps but I go that I might wake him up
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and so in the Bible it speaks of death
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as a sleep this is a dreamless sleep and
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it's unconscious again you could read
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Psalm 146 said put not your trust in
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Princes or in the son of man in whom
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there is no help in the day that he dies
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his breath goes forth and his thoughts
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perish so people who are dead are not
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plotting vengeance on you they're not
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thinking anything they're dead what do
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you think pastor Barney well I do have
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some thoughts I've got some scriptures
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to second Corinthians 5:8 we are
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confident yes well please rather to be
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absent from the body and to be present
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with the Lord
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matter of fact in that same chapter
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several times it talks about being
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absent from the body and being present
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with the Lord
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I have a thought on that before you go
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to your next verse probably ought to
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explain that oh I agree with you that to
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be absent from this life your next
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conscious thought is the presence of the
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Lord see because we believe that if
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you're a Christian and you die the next
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thing that you think of is the
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resurrection you have no knowledge at
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all it's not even like a restless sleep
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it's like a person who has been dead for
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five hundred years it's not going to
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seem like five hundred years for them or
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if you go to sleep after a hard day's
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work and then the alarm clock goes off
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seven hours later but how long does it
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feel to you I heard one time about a man
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during World War one who was on the
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battlefield he was directing artillery
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and in the midst of a very hot battle he
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was ready to give the order to fire
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he said ready aim and then a mortar
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shell exploded very close to him well he
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was taken to the local field hospital
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they realized that he had a piece of
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shrapnel in his head and it was very
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serious
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they waited to operate until they could
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get him to France they took him to her
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france and in a hospital there in paris
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they performed the surgery and when they
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removed the shrapnel he was unconscious
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so they didn't use any anesthetic when
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they removed the shrapnel from his brain
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he jumped and said fire it had basically
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just stopped the tape for him I don't
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know how that worked but his next
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conscious thought was even though it was
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a few days after the accident he just
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picked up where he left off and so we
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believe to be absent from the body
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the next conscious thought for the
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believer is the presence of the Lord and
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keep in mind God lives in all dimensions
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of time in other words God is from
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everlasting to everlasting and that
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means that God can take a profit a
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million years backwards in time and show
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him a war in heaven not that it was a
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million years ago God can take a profit
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a thousand years ahead in the future and
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give him a three-dimensional picture of
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that and so you know God doesn't live in
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the same dimension of time so if you're
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believer and you die or an unbeliever
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your next conscious thought is the
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resurrection of the just or the unjust
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carry on well thank you very much for
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that explanation I do have another verse
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or two here it says in Matthew 22 verse
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32 I am the God of Abraham the god of
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Isaac and the God of Jacob and this is
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Jesus speaking I am not the god of the
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dead but of the living and so these
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people aren't dead they're living there
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with Jesus well I agree that they are
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living when a person is asleep or they
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dead or alive
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well yeah they're technically they're
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alive well I agree I think when a person
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dies in the Lord they're just sleeping
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jesus said our friend Lazarus is asleep
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and just think about that for a second
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friends and this is by the way is in
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John chapter 11 the whole story there
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how long had Lazarus been dead four days
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by the time that Jesus came to resurrect
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him
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there are about 12 resurrections in the
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Bible and I don't know what you think it
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would have been like back then but I
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know today that if someone had been dead
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for four days and they were raised the
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next thing that would happen is every
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media agency in the world would show up
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they would have a whole bouquet of
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microphones in front of them and the
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first question they would ask is what
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was it like when you were dead the
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amazing thing about all the
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resurrections that are performed in the
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Bible there is not one person who
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comments on what they saw or experienced
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during their death which leads me to
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believe maybe they didn't experience
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anything
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and if Lazarus was dead for four days
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think about that let's suppose for a
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moment Lazarus was lost and when he died
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his next conscious thought was he was in
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Hades and then Jesus raised him you
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would think that Lazarus would say
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something like thank you Lord it was
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terribly uncomfortable the pain was
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excruciating I'm so glad to be back no
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comment
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if Lazarus you think after four days
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that the shuttle would finally arrive in
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heaven if Lazarus had been in heaven and
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here he is with his glorified body and
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he's talking to the angels and he's
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walking and dancing and flying around
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the golden city and the golden streets
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and reaching out for the Tree of Life
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and all of a sudden he finds himself
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back in a tomb wrapped up in grave
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clothes would you say thank you Jesus
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for that no Lazarus makes absolutely no
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comment about the resurrection because
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he was asleep and that's not my opinion
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or my interpretation jesus said our
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friend Lazarus is asleep and when they
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said all if he's sick and he's asleep
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that's good
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start feeling better Jesus said no he's
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dead so sleep is a word that God uses to
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describe death this is not something
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seventh-day adventists of manufacture
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all right well let's go back to another
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point here on the same subject did the
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thief on the cross who was saved go to
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paradise the same day that Jesus died
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master Barney would you like to start
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thank you Pastor Doug glad we can be
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cordial with each other Luke 23 verse 43
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jesus said to him
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assuredly I say to you today you will be
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with me in paradise
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that means jesus promised that thief
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right that day that they would be
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together in paradise that doesn't mean
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that he had to wait for the resurrection
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or he had to wait for the Judgment Day
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jesus said today today you'll be with me
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in paradise what do you think of that
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well that is a good point and this is
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sometimes difficult to explain to people
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because you have to tell them there is
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an error in the translation not in the
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Bible
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in the original Bible there is no
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punctuation Bible Translators and by the
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way anyone can translate a Bible if you
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don't have to be inspired to translate a
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Bible you're taking it from one language
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and putting it in another language and
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some translations are more inspired than
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others in my opinion but they had to
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decide where do we put the comma in the
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King James and most English translations
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the way they did it and it was done back
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because they were supporting the popular
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belief you die and go right to heaven or
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hell they wrote it verily I say to you ,
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today you'll be with me in paradise but
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one reason that's a big problem is if
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you read in John chapter 20 verse 17
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it's not possible for the thief to be
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with Jesus in paradise that same day
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because Jesus didn't make it to paradise
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that day when Mary went to grab him by
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the feet and to worship him he said do
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not detain me do not touch me I have not
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yet ascended to my father now when was
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it that Mary showed
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at the tomb and told them that well I'll
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be Sunday morning so if Jesus hadn't
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made it to heaven yet Sunday morning
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then how could he have been with the
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thief in paradise
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Sunday morning where I'm I meant the
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same day I meant the same day well
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that's because there's another place
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called paradise that is not heaven but
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he was with Jesus wherever that place is
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the revelation says that his father is
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in heaven and that is paradise so he had
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not yet ascended to his father and the
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father's in paradise Christ did not yet
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been to heaven or paradise Jesus was in
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the tomb penalty for Anna's sin is death
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penalty for sin is not some kind of
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trans spiritual migration the thief
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could not be with him that day and
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there's another reason to doubt the
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thief could be with him that day it's
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simply because we're not even sure that
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they've died that day he was still alive
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after Jesus died and they tried to
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accelerate their death by breaking their
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legs but the Bible doesn't record how
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long that took they were hoping that
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they died before the Sabbath you
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remember and so it doesn't say we don't
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even know when he died but a the way to
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really look at that just take the comma
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put it where it belongs verily I say to
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you today the emphasis Jesus is making
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is I'm telling you today you've called
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me a lord you called me a king and by
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the way you notice pastor Barney the
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thief said to Jesus when you come into
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your kingdom remember me Jesus was
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promising him that day I will remember
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you when I come into my kingdom he
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didn't go to his kingdom that day Bible
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says that he receives his kingdom when
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he comes back for us so he was
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emphasizing today I don't look like a
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king he's hanging on the cross today I
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don't look like a lord today I don't
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look like I can save anybody but I'm
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making a promise to you today because
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you reached out to me in faith that you
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will be with me in paradise I'm
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promising you today you will be with me
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in
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that's what Jesus was saying the
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original Greek supports that there was
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no punctuation when Luke wrote that it's
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only in the Gospel of Luke do not build
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a whole doctrine on somebody's placing a
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comma who is not necessarily inspired or
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holy and I think that's that's actually
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a beautiful explanation for that passage
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alright let's move along here number
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three where does the spirit go at death
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pastor Barney please yes he's 12 verse 7
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it's good enough for me then the dust
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will return to the earth as it was and
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the spirit returns to God who gave it
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so as soon as a person dies the spirit
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goes to be with God well we need to talk
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about what these words mean first of all
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to understand what that spirit is and
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where it goes we need to know something
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about how God makes man in the beginning
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in Genesis chapter 2 verse 7 when God
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first created man it says the Lord God
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formed the man from the dust of the
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ground and he breathed into his nostrils
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the breath of life and man became a
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living soul so the combination of that
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breath of life and the body that the
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Lord had just found framed of Adam then
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equaled a living soul the word for
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spirit there or is the same word as
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breath it's a Hebrew word roja and it
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means just breath the breath of life
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it's inanimate it doesn't have
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personality it is the power the force
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that God breathes into all of his
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creatures and so the verse that you just
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read in Ecclesiastes is saying that when
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somebody dies you notice Ecclesiastes
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doesn't say good or bad that the body
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decomposes and turns back into the dust
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of the earth God said Adam dust you are
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and unto dust you're gonna return the
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spirit or the breath of life the power
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of life the essence of life returns to
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God who gave it
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if we should unplug the power in this
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building and all the lights go out don't
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try that right now
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you'd say where'd the light go well the
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light stops being light for us when you
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disconnect the carbon filaments with the
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electricity it's the two together that
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produced the light if I should take some
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sticks of wood and some nails and put
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them together and make a chair and I'd
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say here the combination of those nails
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and those sticks we've made a chair but
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now I separate the nails
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don't try and sit on the chair I
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separate the nails from the wood and I
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got a pile of sticks here and a pile of
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nails here and I ask you where is the
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chair well it stops being a chair when
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you separate the two the breath of life
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and the elements of Earth God animates
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it into a living soul when a man good or
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bad when an animal good or bad dies the
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elements of Earth decompose back into
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the dust the power of life the breath of
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life returns to God who gave it
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let me give you another verse on that
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job 27 verse 3 all the while my breath
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is in me and the Spirit of God is in my
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nostrils now you've heard people say
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he's got the spirit in his mind he's got
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the spirit in his heart but if I were to
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ask you would you like to be spirit
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knows filled whoever thinks of your
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spirit of god lord please fill our noses
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why does it say the Spirit of God was in
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my nostrils because the word spirit of
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God there means the breath of life was
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in my nostrils that is the exact word
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that's being used there in Ecclesiastes
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chapter 12 verse 7 alright so before I
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go to the next point seventh-day
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Adventist believe that when a person
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dies they sleep in the grave until the
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judgment and the resurrection jesus said
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rewards are not given until he comes
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Matthew 25 when the Son of Man comes in
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the glory of the Father with all his
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angels he will gather all nations before
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him and separate them as a shepherd
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separates
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sheep from the goats when he comes he
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then distributes rewards he doesn't
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distribute rewards at death before the
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resurrection and before the judgement
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this is actually not a new belief
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seventh-day adventists known on it it's
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a very old belief that has been
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influenced lately in the last couple
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hundred years by traditions all right
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number four but doesn't the Bible say a
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man has an immortal soul pastor barney
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matthew chapter 10 verse 28 jesus said
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do not fear those that kill the body but
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they can not kill the soul the soul
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cannot be killed
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you've got immortal souls that go on
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forever and ever
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well I'm gonna stop pastor Barney
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sometimes I get so caught up in what
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he's saying I think I don't want to
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convince anybody so I better get back
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over here just trying to give you know
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the other view you got to read the rest
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of the verse pastor jesus said don't
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fear those who kill the body but they
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cannot kill the soul but rather fear him
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Matthew 10:28 second half of that verse
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fear Him who is able to destroy both
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soul and body in hell so that's I think
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pretty clear
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matter-of-fact you only find the word
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mortal or immortality twice in the Bible
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both times it's talking about God when
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you're talking about immortality it's
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only listed twice in the Bible and
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you're gonna find where it says Matthew
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I'm sorry in 1st Timothy 6 verse 15 and
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16 first Timothy 6 15 and 16 which he
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will manifest in his own time he who is
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the blessed and the only potentate the
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king of kings the Lord of lords who
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alone has immortality god alone has
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immortality and let me give you one more
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this is a short one Ezekiel 18:20 the
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idea that you've got an immortal soul
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that can't die if this isn't as clear as
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any dictionary definition that I
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what is the Bible says the Lord says the
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soul that sins will die and that takes
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us right back to what Jesus said in John
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3:16 God so loved the world he gave his
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only begotten son that whosoever
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believes in Him should not you got two
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choices perish but have everlasting life
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we've only got two choices perish
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everlasting life
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matter of fact the first thing that the
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first lie that was ever told in the
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universe was the devil when he told Eve
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God said you disobey you eat the
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forbidden fruit you'll die what did the
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devil say you won't really die and the
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sad thing is that some churches have
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taken up the refrain of the devil
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telling people that you are immortal
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you're going to live forever and ever in
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heaven or you're gonna live forever and
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ever in hell I do believe in everlasting
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separation from God but everlasting
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punishment that's another subject we're
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about to get to you know there's so much
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more I'd like to say on this and I know
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I don't have time so what we're doing is
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we're going to put a website up it's
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very simple
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death truth com death truth com even if
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you type in truth about death you'll
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find the same website a lot of people
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asking questions about that especially
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just before Halloween death truth calm
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and you'll find more information there
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all right well then let's talk about the
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subject of Hell question number 5 do
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lost souls burn forever
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all right pastor Barney to me these
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scriptures are really powerful pastor
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Doug Matthew 18 I'm going to read -
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they're similar
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I'll be reading Matthew 18 and Mark 9
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matthew 18:8 if your hand or foot causes
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you to sin cut it off and cast it from
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you for it's better for you to enter
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into life lamed or maimed rather than
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having two hands or two feet to be cast
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into everlasting fire mark 9 43 and 44
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if your hand causes you to sin cut it
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off or it's better for you to enter life
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rather than having two hands to go into
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hell into the fire that will never be
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quenched where the worm doesn't die and
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the fire is not quenched tell you what
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I'll let you address that before I go to
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my next point okay well I believe that
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it is true that the fire there in hell
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cannot be quenched the word quench is a
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verb it means to extinguish by the way
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there's a myth out there that
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seventh-day Adventist do not believe in
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Hellfire I've heard people say that I've
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heard preachers say it that is
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categorically not true we do believe in
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Hellfire we do believe there is a lake
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of fire we do believe that the wicked
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are all rewarded according to what they
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deserve we believe what it says there in
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Malachi chapter 4 behold the day comes
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that we'll burn as an oven and all the
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proud and all that do wickedly shall be
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stubble the day that comes shall burn
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them up but then you got to keep reading
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it will leave them neither root nor
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branch says the wicked will be ashes
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under the soles of the feet of the
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righteous burn uproot burn up branch
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there's nothing left when how fire is
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burning nobody is quenching it there are
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no firemen in Hell trying to spray
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things off that means they burn until
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they consume and this is what Jesus said
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says in Revelation the fire comes down
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from God out of heaven Revelation
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chapter 20 and consumes them that means
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they're devoured there's nothing left
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well pastor Doug you say that but I'd
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like to have some biblical support for
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that passage all right Jeremiah chapter
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17 verse 27 it says here Jerusalem would
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be destroyed with unquenchable fire you
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can just read about that the whole
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prophecy there it says the gates would
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be burned with unquenchable fire if you
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know the rest of your Bible history I
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can't go to all the passages the
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Babylonians came they conquered the land
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of Judea they burn Jerusalem they burn
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the gates nobody was there putting it
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out but they're not still burning today
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are they and then you can read in the
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book of Jude
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if you want to find out what that
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eternal fire is that Jesus was talking
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about Jude verse seven can't tell you
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what chapter because there's only one
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chapter so all Jude has his verses Jude
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verse seven Sodom and Gomorrah and the
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cities around them in similar manner
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have given themselves over to sexual
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immorality and gone after strange flesh
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they are set forth as an example
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suffering the Vengeance of eternal fire
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now that eternal fire what it means is
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the result of that fire is eternal it's
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amazing
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Sodom and Gomorrah lived Oh 1800 years
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2,000 years before Christ is when those
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cities were flourishing and when that
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fire rained out from God out of heaven
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and burnt them up they were judged and
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to this very day you can go to where
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that region is it is the lowest point on
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earth 1,300 feet below sea level
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South End of the Dead Sea it is Badlands
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you can't grow anything there it is
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under just a curse those cities were
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burnt with eternal fire and the Bible
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says they are set forth as an example of
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what the wicked can expect are they
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still burning today why does it call it
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eternal or everlasting fire if heaven
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forbid my little pulpit here which is
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made out of some kind of wood product
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should suddenly ignite into flames and I
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stood back and we all stood back to
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watch and it burned I've never seen a
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pulpit quite like that before but I like
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it but if it burned up and we didn't
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extinguish it that would mean it was
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unquenchable suppose we tried mckernon
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unquenchable until it burns all up
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there's nothing left how many of you
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remember that burning bush that Moses
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saw it burned and yet it was not
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consumed how many believe it's still
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burning out there today somewhere but it
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was unquenchable at the time so this
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would be burn up that pulpit that
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particular pulpit is been burnt with
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eternal fire because it will never
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appear again it is gone forever
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it is unquenchable eternal
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everlasting destruction it's gone that's
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what the Bible says is gonna happen to
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the wicked they're burnt up with
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everlasting fire all right well I know
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I've been monopolizing the time pastor
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Barney and you were you were giving
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another verse here I have another one
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thank you very much
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revelation 20 verse 10 this is a tough
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one for you it says speaking of the
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destruction of the devil the devil who
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deceived them was cast into the lake of
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fire and brimstone where the beast and
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the false prophet are and they'll be
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tormented day and night forever and ever
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well it's comforting to know that it
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especially says that about the devil but
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in the Bible the word forever that's
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used there in the Greek is the word Aeon
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you ever heard someone say well I
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haven't seen them in eons an eon is a
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long yet unspecified period of time the
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term forever is used 56 times in the
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Bible where it also denotes a limited
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period some examples would be when
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Hannah brought young Samuel to the
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temple she delivered him to Eli and said
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I'm bringing him here so that he can
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serve in this temple before the Lord
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forever
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well he's not still serving there today
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is he if you read in the Book of Jonah
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chapter 1 tells us that in verse 17
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Jonah was three days and three nights in
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the belly of the great fish in Jonah's
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prayer chapter two verse six he says the
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earth with her bars was about me forever
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now I suppose that felt like Hades -
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Jonah can you imagine what that would
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have been like to be it whenever I think
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about the story of Jonah and the more I
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try to imagine it to be in the digestive
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system of this sea monster where if
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Jonah is alive it stands to reason that
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there could have been something else
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that was on the menu that day before or
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after Jonah arm he might have had
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dessert after Johnny he might have had
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appetizers before and so they're in that
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sea monster there could have been
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stinging jellyfish flashing by
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luminescence octopus whales like to eat
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squid can you imagine
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three days and three nights in that
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darkness and the digestive system of
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this sea monster would it feel like
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forever let's suppose for a moment that
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the wicked well just one problem I've
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got with the idea that the wicked burned
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forever and ever is that would mean that
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some teenager who reaches the age of
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accountability you pick that age
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whatever that age is say it's 15 that
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teenager doesn't accept Jesus and they
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die lost
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according to pastor Barney's belief a
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lot of evangelicals as soon as he dies
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he's going to go to a lake of fire and
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he is going to burn there and ride and
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shriek and scream in unimaginable
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torment moment after agonizing moment
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endlessly hour after hour day after day
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week after week screaming burning
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shrieking year after year millennium
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after millennium and after a million
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years have gone by he's only just begun
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to burn and he burns as long as Adolf
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Hitler according to that belief that's
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exactly right
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but Jesus said every man is rewarded
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according to his works if everybody gets
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everlasting fire
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then how can everybody get the same fair
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reward well there's some things pastor
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Doug that we don't understand it's the
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mind of God we need to trust the love of
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God we need to trust the judges judgment
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of God and just don't question those
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things well in my Bible he says come now
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let us reason together I think that the
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Lord wants us to understand these things
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and would you agree with me pastor
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Barney that Jesus died for the sins of
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the whole world and that he paid the
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penalty for sin
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absolutely.we we agree on that one a
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hundred percent so what is the penalty
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for sin well you know that you're
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dissing it for the benefit of the people
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here penalty for sin is death but if the
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penalty for sin is death and Jesus paid
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that penalty we've got a problem if the
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penalty for sin is everlasting torment
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in the flames because Jesus died he
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suffered and he rose he's not still
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burning today so how could he have paid
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the penalty for the whole human race if
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the penalty is really eternal torment
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you got another question I think that's
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a good point so the word forever from
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the Bible itself is sometimes not always
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obviously when God tells us we have
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everlasting life and we'll live forever
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you read it in its context when it's
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talking about the punishment of the
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wicked what kind of words are used it
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says
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consumed perish die says burnt up he
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says never will they be any more even
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concerning the devil it says I'll bring
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forth a fire from the midst of the
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Ezekiel 28 and it will consume thee
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you'll be a terror and never shalt thou
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be any more if anybody deserves to live
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forever to burn forever it be the devil
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right and he may burn for several days I
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don't know
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Adolph Hitler Saddam Hussein and there
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can be some other despots they may burn
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for a while
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can you imagine burning 24 hours a week
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but no and you know what I'm thankful to
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tell you today that an ever growing
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number of Christian theologians are a
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green recent john stott just passed away
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one of the greatest theologians of the
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last century
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he believed exactly what I'm telling you
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today that yes the wicked are punished
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there is a lake of fire they do not burn
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for ever and ever they are ultimately
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annihilated God says I make all things
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new there is no more pain or suffering
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in the new earth all things are made new
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that doesn't mean he's immortalizing
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sinners
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alright number 6 how do you explain in
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the parable pastor Doug of the rich man
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and Lazarus now let me read that for you
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you turn in your Bibles to Luke chapter
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16 beginning with verse 19 there was a
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certain rich man who was clothed in
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purple and fine linen who fared or
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feasted sumptuously every day and there
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was a certain beggar named Lazarus full
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of sores late at his gate desiring to be
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fed with the crumbs that fell from the
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rich man's table moreover the dogs came
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and licked his sores so the beggar died
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and was carried by the angels right away
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notice to Abraham's bosom the rich man
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also died and he was buried and being in
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torments in Hades he lifted up his eyes
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and he saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus
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in his bosom and he cried out and he
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said father Abraham have mercy on me and
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send Lazarus that he might dip the tip
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of this finger in water and cool my
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tongue for I am tormented in this flame
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there you've got it
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Lazarus this wicked man selfish man he's
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tormented in the flame and he's
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conscious during that time but Abraham
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said to him son remember that you and
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your life time received your good things
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and likewise Lazarus evil things but now
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he's comforted and you are tormented
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besides this between us and you there is
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a great gulf fixed so that those who
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want to pass from here to you cannot nor
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can those from there pass to us then he
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said I beg you therefore father that you
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would send him to my father's house for
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I have five brothers that he might
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testify to them lest they also come to
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this place of torment
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Abraham said to him they have Moses and
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the prophets let them hear them he said
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no father Abraham but if one went to
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them from the dead then they would
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repent but he said to them if they do
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not hear Moses and the prophets neither
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will they be persuaded though one should
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rise from the dead
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seems pretty clear to me pastor Doug
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it's telling us that immediately after
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death people are either going to
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Abraham's bosom
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or they're going to torment alright well
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I think the keyword pastor Barney is the
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parable of the rich man and Lazarus it's
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a parable if you take all the parables
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in the Bible literally then you'll
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believe the trees talk to each other as
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they do in the book of Judges and you'll
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believe that people should be sheared
916
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:46,290
like sheep Jesus used a lot of analogies
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to teach a point now you have to ask
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yourself and once again don't ever build
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the doctrine on one verse this is only
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found here in the Gospel of Luke
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I believe it's inspired but the message
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here is in the last few words Jesus is
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using an incredible incongruous polls in
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this story he's taking the hero of the
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Jewish faith and he says that the
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Lazarus this poor man who dies he goes
927
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and by the way it's a Greek name it's
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the Greek derivative of Eliezer he goes
929
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and he is in Abraham's bosom so here
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you've got the Greek poor beggar who
931
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looks like he's under the curse of God
932
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only cleaning he gets us from the dogs
933
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but he ends up in the Jewish place of
934
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paradise and then you've got the rich
935
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man who you would think would be in
936
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Abraham's bosom he goes to the Greek
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place of torment every Jew knew Greek
938
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mythology they had been conquered by
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Alexander the Great hundreds of years
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earlier they all knew about Pluto the
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god of Hades and that dogs of hell and
942
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:53,970
the whole thing and it was Greek
943
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mythology it's like in the English
944
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language if I should tell you right now
945
00:41:57,950 --> 00:42:00,810
one day Alice was walking in Wonderland
946
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one sentence does everyone know right
947
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,300
away that I'm using an illustration that
948
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you're not to take literally everything
949
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I'm saying when Jesus incorporated these
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00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:12,690
things he was teaching a parable the
951
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:14,970
parable was that the Jews should not
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think because they were Abraham's
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children they were automatically saved
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that they might be shocked that others
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would be in Abraham's bosom and that
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they shouldn't sit with the Gentiles
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starving for the truth that they were
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feasting on only comfort they got was
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00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,440
from the dogs other Gentiles and here
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they were neglecting them and feasting
961
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on the
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truth and thinking that we're the
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00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:39,989
favorite chosen people churches
964
00:42:39,989 --> 00:42:42,239
sometimes do that too so the message of
965
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,579
Jesus is if they don't believe believe
966
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Moses and the prophets they won't be
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persuaded though one should rise from
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the dead it's a parable who believes
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00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:52,739
that Abraham's bosom is big enough to
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00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:56,369
take all the resurrected I mean just
971
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picture that for a moment do you believe
972
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the people in heaven and hell will be
973
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able to talk to each other does anyone
974
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:06,599
here want to be in heaven talking to
975
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:10,140
people in torment do we believe that one
976
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:12,150
drop of water would cool a person's
977
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:14,069
tongue I mean it would sizzle and
978
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:16,470
evaporate before you ever got there all
979
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:18,989
these powerful metaphors to take this
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00:43:18,989 --> 00:43:20,509
story literally I think is a dangerous
981
00:43:20,509 --> 00:43:24,690
interpretation well pastor Doug if it's
982
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:27,269
a parable why does he use a real name
983
00:43:27,269 --> 00:43:29,999
there it's all the other parables he
984
00:43:29,999 --> 00:43:31,859
just says this man and that man we're
985
00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:33,359
doing this but here he picks a person's
986
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,999
name it's a real story well that is a
987
00:43:35,999 --> 00:43:37,559
good point pastor Barney but I think
988
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:38,970
there's a reason Jesus used the name
989
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:42,599
Lazarus did Jesus raise somebody from
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00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,660
the dead named Lazarus did the religious
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00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:49,920
leaders choose to believe he said well
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00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,630
father Abraham if someone went to them
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00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:52,890
from the dead then they'll believe in
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00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,559
repent Jesus said if they believe not
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00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:57,749
Moses and the prophets then they won't
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00:43:57,749 --> 00:43:59,309
be persuaded though one should rise from
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00:43:59,309 --> 00:44:01,680
the dead Jesus greatest miracle was
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00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,180
raising Lazarus who had been dead for
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00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:05,220
four days and instead of believing they
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00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:06,420
wanted to kill Lazarus so he
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00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:10,529
incorporated a name to add intensity to
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00:44:10,529 --> 00:44:14,759
this parable it is just that a parable
1003
00:44:14,759 --> 00:44:17,609
people do not die and go right to heaven
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00:44:17,609 --> 00:44:21,390
in hell before the resurrection what's
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00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:22,619
the purpose of the Resurrection the
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00:44:22,619 --> 00:44:24,269
Bible says the Lord Himself will descend
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00:44:24,269 --> 00:44:26,519
from heaven and then the dead in Christ
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00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:26,970
will rise
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there'd be no purpose for the
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00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,489
resurrection by the way I do have
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00:44:32,489 --> 00:44:35,249
another website I'd like to mention big
1012
00:44:35,249 --> 00:44:37,140
subject this is one of the most popular
1013
00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:38,369
websites you're gonna find on the
1014
00:44:38,369 --> 00:44:39,900
internet on this subject got a lot of
1015
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,989
good theology very simple hell truth
1016
00:44:42,989 --> 00:44:47,060
calm hell truth calm
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so next question now we're going to talk
1018
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about heaven number seven do we have
1019
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:02,660
physical or spiritual bodies in heaven
1020
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:06,720
pastor Barney take it away first
1021
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,840
Corinthians 15 verse 50 now this I say
1022
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,590
brethren that flesh and blood cannot
1023
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:16,680
inherit the kingdom of God Bible says
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00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,630
that we are spirits and the Lord is
1025
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:20,760
saving our spirits and so it's the
1026
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,460
spirits that go to be with Jesus at
1027
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:25,740
death it's not flesh and blood we're
1028
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:27,450
going to be spiritual creatures flesh
1029
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:28,740
and blood canon here at the kingdom of
1030
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:32,400
God well pastor Barney I also agree with
1031
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,350
that verse but I think what Jesus is
1032
00:45:34,350 --> 00:45:36,360
telling us is that our new bodies our
1033
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,060
glorified bodies will be both tangible
1034
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:41,970
and spiritual when Adam and Eve sinned
1035
00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:43,920
and their garments of light went out
1036
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,200
they lost the spiritual dimension of
1037
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,180
their nature right now there are angels
1038
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:50,790
in this room Jesus said I'm with you
1039
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:52,410
always there's a whole spiritual realm
1040
00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:55,920
we cannot see in these heavenly places I
1041
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,560
think with the new glorified bodies we
1042
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,600
will be able to see all that again now
1043
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,310
let me give you some verses here in the
1044
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:04,160
Bible that I think help support that
1045
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Romans chapter 8 verse 8 and 9 those who
1046
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,480
are in the flesh cannot please God but
1047
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,370
you who are not in the flesh but in the
1048
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:16,260
spirit if indeed the Spirit of God
1049
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:17,220
dwells in you
1050
00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:19,440
so here when Paul is talking about being
1051
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,510
in the flesh or being in the spirit he's
1052
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:23,160
not talking about even heaven he's
1053
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,870
talking about those that are in the Lord
1054
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:28,680
our flesh and blood these bodies that we
1055
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,100
have now are carnal mortal disease
1056
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:34,500
bodies they cannot inherit the kingdom
1057
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:36,450
of God but we're going to have real
1058
00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:39,750
bodies in heaven it says here a couple
1059
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:44,700
more scriptures Luke 24 verse 39 Jesus
1060
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:47,130
when he rose from the dead he had a real
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00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:50,970
body behold my hands and my feet that it
1062
00:46:50,970 --> 00:46:52,940
is I myself
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00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:56,880
handle me and see for a spirit does not
1064
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,420
have flesh and bone as you see that I
1065
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:02,880
have now granted he didn't say flesh and
1066
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,860
blood he said flesh and bone but I think
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00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:06,810
it qualifies that Jesus was emphasizing
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00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,870
I am real and then when they touched him
1069
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and they still looked like they were
1070
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:14,040
amazed he said I'm hungry do you have
1071
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,170
anything I can eat and several times
1072
00:47:16,170 --> 00:47:17,970
after the resurrection when he appeared
1073
00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:20,400
to the disciples he ate in front of them
1074
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,780
to accentuate he was real again
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00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:28,170
Philippians 3 verse 21 it said God will
1076
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:31,110
transform our lowly body that it might
1077
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be conformed to his glorious body
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what kind of bodies will we have same
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kind of body that Jesus had it will be a
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glorified spiritual body when God made
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Adam and Eve they were doing real things
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in the kingdom we're going to plant
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vineyards and eat the fruit of them
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we're gonna build houses and inhabit
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them it tells us that we're gonna enjoy
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the works of our hands we'll be real
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people doing real things and we're not
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going to be floating around on clouds
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alright number eight on heaven well
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people know each other in heaven tell
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you what pastor Barney I'm gonna let you
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answer that one well thank you Pastor
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Doug first Corinthians 13 verse 12 of
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course we'll recognize each other in
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heaven our powers of discernment are not
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going to be less they're going to be
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more for now we see in a mirror dimly
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but then face to face now I know in part
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but then I will know just as I am known
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so what do you think of that we agree
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I think pastor Barney and pastor Doug
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oughta shake hands don't you Huck it
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it's going on next one I just wanted
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them to be friends before it was all
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over I have to live with myself after
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this program question number nine can we
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be happy in heaven if a loved one is
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missing revelation 21 verse 4 and God
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will wipe away every tear from their
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eyes and there'll be no more death nor
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sorrow or crying neither will there be
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any more pain for the former things have
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passed away you know there may be some
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tears and some sadness when Jesus first
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comes and we meet him in heaven that's
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part of the purpose of the 1,000 years
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to answer questions but during that time
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if we see someone we love or someone we
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cared about is not there we may have
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feelings do angels have feelings do
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angels rejoice and sing when someone is
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saved do angels cry or they grieved when
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someone dies unprepared and so there
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will be some God does not erase all
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sense of emotion from us in heaven does
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the Lord and the Holy Spirit have
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feelings and sometimes is the Holy
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Spirit grieved so you can be sure that
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in heaven they're looking on with great
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intensity here but don't worry about
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going through eternity being unhappy
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because you say I could never be happy
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in heaven without this person or that
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person and you might wonder how you can
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ever be comforted but it won't be a
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person comforting you it says God
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Himself will wipe away their tears I
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believe the Lord can do that so
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everybody can have that peace and that
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happiness in heaven number 10
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what encouragement does the Bible offer
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me that I can make it to heaven pastor
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Barney I think that we could probably
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agree on this one you want to go ahead
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Thank You pastor Doug by the way
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I just want to confess I'm not sure
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where to stand to tell you this I have
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listened to a lot of preachers and other
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evangelical mainline churches I know
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they know the Lord I have been moved and
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inspired by things they said and some of
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their insights into the scripture as
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long as it doesn't contradict the Bible
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I think there's a lot of truth and I'll
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tell you another thing there are a lot
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of those ministers out there I have
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heard them quote illustrations that I
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have given on television on their radio
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and television programs that I made up
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not the ones that I borrowed from other
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preachers happened this week they're
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listening and so that's why we do these
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programs we need to study together okay
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what encouragement pastor Barney does
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the Bible offer that I can make it to
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heaven with all the struggles of this
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life Romans 8 verse 18 the sufferings of
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this present time are not worthy to be
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compared with the glory that will be
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revealed in US and again first
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Corinthians 2 verse 9 but as it is
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written the eye has not seen or the ear
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heard neither has entered into the heart
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of man the things that God has prepared
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for those that love him you know I've
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got some good news for you friends when
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you get to the end of the Bible and you
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look at the dimensions of the New
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Jerusalem
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it's 375 miles on each side 1,500 miles
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around 12,000 furlongs and biblical
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measurements someone calculated that
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means that of every individual in the
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world gets a hundred square feet that'd
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be a little tight but just using that
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everybody gets a hundred square feet
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that's more than some cities have
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there'd be room just in the city for
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thirty-nine billion people
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that's a lot more that's in the world
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today and that means there's room for
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you I believe that the Lord is desperate
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for his people to get it together I
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think that he is called the seventh-day
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Adventist movement for such a time as
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this to invite people from all faiths to
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return to the faith that was delivered
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to the Saints the teaching of the Bible
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he doesn't want his church divided on
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doctrine and he doesn't want us to
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abandon truth and say doctrine doesn't
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matter when they heard Jesus preach and
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teach it says they were amazed at his
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doctrine it was his doctrine that turned
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the world upside down
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don't ever be apologizing for the
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doctrine France and sometimes the word
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separates and I know well enough that
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not everybody is going to believe but
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some are gonna hear the Holy Spirit's
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gonna speak to their hearts with it's
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gonna resonate with them as it did with
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me I once went to church with pastor
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Barney and then I studied and I heard
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these things and it clicked and I said
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that's the truth it rings true
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there's Bible support and I'll tell you
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friends this is why today I'm a Seventh
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day Adventist Christian I don't want to
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be embarrassed when someone asks the
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reason for the hope that is in me I want
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to be able to give an answer with
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meekness and fear and base it on this
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book bottom line is we all want to be
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one in Christ Jesus
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is the word so that's my invitation for
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you friends
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