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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,054 --> 00:00:10,514 -On July 17, 1975, 2 00:00:10,581 --> 00:00:13,621 firefighters sifting through the remains of a fire 3 00:00:13,694 --> 00:00:18,064 in a Hamburg apartment block made a gruesome discovery. 4 00:00:18,134 --> 00:00:19,744 -[ Speaking German ] 5 00:00:19,814 --> 00:00:21,964 -We found all different kinds of body parts 6 00:00:22,034 --> 00:00:24,224 and had to examine them. 7 00:00:24,294 --> 00:00:27,134 We were asking ourselves what was going on. 8 00:00:27,207 --> 00:00:30,067 At first, nothing made sense. 9 00:00:30,147 --> 00:00:34,147 -And as the police began to search the small attic flat, 10 00:00:34,221 --> 00:00:37,501 the true horror of the discovery became apparent. 11 00:00:37,574 --> 00:00:38,684 -[ Speaking German ] 12 00:00:38,521 --> 00:00:40,151 -We found a corpse. 13 00:00:40,221 --> 00:00:42,151 We found two corpses. 14 00:00:42,221 --> 00:00:44,291 We found three corpses. 15 00:00:44,001 --> 00:00:46,591 We have found four corpses. 16 00:00:46,661 --> 00:00:48,701 It was a huge story because things like this 17 00:00:48,774 --> 00:00:52,984 don't exactly happen often in Hamburg. 18 00:00:53,054 --> 00:00:56,374 -A man named Fritz Honka had been murdering women 19 00:00:56,441 --> 00:00:58,881 and dismembering their bodies in his home 20 00:00:58,954 --> 00:01:01,594 for the past five years. 21 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:05,547 He claimed that Jack the Ripper had told him to do it. 22 00:01:05,621 --> 00:01:09,371 -I think it was simply crimes of opportunity, 23 00:01:09,241 --> 00:01:12,211 but with a horrible edge. 24 00:01:12,288 --> 00:01:15,478 He showed no compassion for the victims. 25 00:01:15,554 --> 00:01:20,014 He didn't respect their bodies or feel remorse, clearly. 26 00:01:20,081 --> 00:01:21,751 He just cut them up. 27 00:01:21,827 --> 00:01:25,057 -Fritz Honka had carved his name in history 28 00:01:25,134 --> 00:01:28,534 as one of the world's most evil killers. 29 00:01:28,601 --> 00:01:37,471 ♪ 30 00:01:37,541 --> 00:01:46,361 ♪ 31 00:01:50,787 --> 00:01:54,647 -The brutal murders of 39-year-old Fritz Honka 32 00:01:54,727 --> 00:01:57,687 left the whole of West Germany reeling. 33 00:01:57,768 --> 00:02:00,048 When a fire ripped through his apartment block 34 00:02:00,127 --> 00:02:04,897 on the 17th of July, 1975, out of the ashes, 35 00:02:04,974 --> 00:02:08,054 the butchered remains of four women were revealed, 36 00:02:08,054 --> 00:02:10,994 hidden away in Honka's attic. 37 00:02:11,067 --> 00:02:14,187 Nobody knew they'd been missing from the streets of Hamburg. 38 00:02:14,261 --> 00:02:16,421 It was a shocking crime scene 39 00:02:16,494 --> 00:02:19,474 even for the hardened murder squad. 40 00:02:19,541 --> 00:02:21,751 The lead investigators on the case 41 00:02:21,827 --> 00:02:24,597 were Jurgen Vierle and Karl Pries. 42 00:02:25,621 --> 00:02:28,421 -[ Speaking German ] 43 00:02:28,494 --> 00:02:30,674 -They told us where the body parts where, 44 00:02:30,747 --> 00:02:33,107 so inside the building, we went up to the attic, 45 00:02:33,181 --> 00:02:34,921 and there were two flats, 46 00:02:34,994 --> 00:02:37,874 Mr. Honka's flat and another one, 47 00:02:37,947 --> 00:02:39,947 and then there was a toilet and a loft, 48 00:02:40,021 --> 00:02:42,441 and in this loft were the body parts. 49 00:02:45,907 --> 00:02:50,697 -[ Speaking German ] 50 00:02:50,774 --> 00:02:52,634 -We were standing outside the door 51 00:02:52,701 --> 00:02:55,521 when a small man walked up the stairs. 52 00:02:55,594 --> 00:02:59,074 The flat he lived in was completely filled with smoke. 53 00:02:58,681 --> 00:03:02,671 It was right next to the attic that had caught fire. 54 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:05,337 I just happened to be standing right by the front door 55 00:03:05,414 --> 00:03:09,554 of his flat, and he goes, "What's going on here?" 56 00:03:09,621 --> 00:03:12,751 "As you can see, there's been a fire," I said. 57 00:03:12,521 --> 00:03:14,021 "Oh," he said. 58 00:03:13,761 --> 00:03:15,671 "That's really bad. 59 00:03:15,747 --> 00:03:18,737 Looks like I won't be able to live here anymore." 60 00:03:18,814 --> 00:03:20,784 I then asked him, "Who has the key 61 00:03:20,854 --> 00:03:23,584 to this attic room, and who owns it?" 62 00:03:23,654 --> 00:03:26,714 To which he replied, "This is my attic room, 63 00:03:26,788 --> 00:03:29,778 and I am the only one who's got access to it." 64 00:03:29,721 --> 00:03:32,531 And in that moment, there were reasonable grounds 65 00:03:32,201 --> 00:03:34,471 to suspect him of a crime. 66 00:03:34,541 --> 00:03:36,631 Consequently, we took him to the offices 67 00:03:36,701 --> 00:03:44,361 of the police headquarters at Berliner Tor. 68 00:03:44,434 --> 00:03:47,634 -The story of this elusive serial killer 69 00:03:47,707 --> 00:03:50,867 begins over 80 years ago. 70 00:03:51,547 --> 00:03:55,447 Fritz Honka was born into a working-class family 71 00:03:55,521 --> 00:04:01,161 in Leipzig, East Germany, on the 31st of July, 1935. 72 00:04:01,234 --> 00:04:04,914 -[ Speaking German ] 73 00:04:04,981 --> 00:04:06,991 -He had eight siblings. 74 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:10,307 The relationship with his father was very difficult. 75 00:04:10,381 --> 00:04:11,981 He mentions an incident where his father 76 00:04:12,054 --> 00:04:14,894 supposedly wanted to kill him, 77 00:04:14,601 --> 00:04:18,551 and the connection to his mother was also rather cold. 78 00:04:18,627 --> 00:04:21,747 When he was 11 years old, she left the family, 79 00:04:21,827 --> 00:04:24,867 so he always had a rather crushing relationship 80 00:04:24,947 --> 00:04:26,757 with his parents. 81 00:04:30,201 --> 00:04:31,721 -[ Speaking German ] 82 00:04:31,794 --> 00:04:33,784 -All the children were given away, 83 00:04:33,854 --> 00:04:37,734 which will have had quite an effect on him. 84 00:04:37,807 --> 00:04:43,027 -After his father died in 1946, 11-year-old Honka was left 85 00:04:43,101 --> 00:04:45,221 to grow up in an orphanage. 86 00:04:45,294 --> 00:04:48,584 His childhood was far from ideal. 87 00:04:48,654 --> 00:04:51,654 -I think he had quite a hard time growing up. 88 00:04:51,727 --> 00:04:55,597 These were quite turbulent times in Germany, 89 00:04:55,241 --> 00:04:58,311 but for a young lad who was considerably shorter 90 00:04:58,381 --> 00:05:01,311 than his peers, he didn't always fit in very well at school, 91 00:05:01,381 --> 00:05:03,801 and that made him a target for bullies, 92 00:05:03,874 --> 00:05:08,004 so he was always the brunt of someone else's joke, 93 00:05:08,074 --> 00:05:12,744 so I don't think he had a very easy time of it at all. 94 00:05:12,814 --> 00:05:15,914 -After leaving school, Honka began work 95 00:05:15,981 --> 00:05:19,481 as a bricklayer's apprentice, but it didn't last long. 96 00:05:19,554 --> 00:05:24,914 In 1951, aged 16, he fled from Communist East Germany 97 00:05:24,987 --> 00:05:26,387 and headed west. 98 00:05:26,461 --> 00:05:29,501 -[ Speaking German ] 99 00:05:29,574 --> 00:05:31,484 -He then came over here to West Germany 100 00:05:31,554 --> 00:05:33,384 and worked in the farming industry 101 00:05:33,454 --> 00:05:36,994 before relocating to Hamburg, and here in Hamburg, 102 00:05:37,067 --> 00:05:40,317 he worked for a security service company as a night watchman. 103 00:05:44,521 --> 00:05:47,361 So this means he always had a steady income, 104 00:05:47,434 --> 00:05:48,794 which, of course, gave him, socially, 105 00:05:48,867 --> 00:05:52,197 an advantage with the crowds he hung out with. 106 00:05:55,094 --> 00:05:58,514 -Age 22, he meets his wife, and they get married, 107 00:05:58,587 --> 00:06:02,047 and things are quite normal and quite regular, 108 00:06:02,127 --> 00:06:05,227 but both of them have a bit of an issue with alcohol. 109 00:06:05,307 --> 00:06:07,917 Both of them tend to drink to excess, 110 00:06:07,761 --> 00:06:10,641 and their relationship becomes quite volatile 111 00:06:10,714 --> 00:06:11,554 and quite chaotic. 112 00:06:11,627 --> 00:06:13,907 They attract the attention of neighbors 113 00:06:13,981 --> 00:06:16,491 and the authorities when they're arguing 114 00:06:16,568 --> 00:06:18,668 and they're overheard having domestic disputes, 115 00:06:18,741 --> 00:06:23,521 so it's not a particularly nice household for very long. 116 00:06:24,267 --> 00:06:29,577 -After separating from his wife in 1967, 32-year-old Honka 117 00:06:29,654 --> 00:06:32,264 was alone and working the graveyard shift 118 00:06:32,334 --> 00:06:34,134 as a night watchman. 119 00:06:34,201 --> 00:06:36,851 -So he rented a small, one-bedroom apartment, 120 00:06:36,927 --> 00:06:40,437 which was very close to the red-light district in Hamburg, 121 00:06:40,514 --> 00:06:42,204 and in this apartment, 122 00:06:42,274 --> 00:06:44,754 he created his own little world, basically. 123 00:06:44,827 --> 00:06:47,737 He wasn't subject to any kind of informal surveillance 124 00:06:47,814 --> 00:06:50,854 of other people who would question, you know, 125 00:06:50,921 --> 00:06:52,201 "What are you doing?" 126 00:06:52,274 --> 00:06:55,334 So it was his own little zone, essentially, 127 00:06:55,408 --> 00:06:57,648 and this is the place where he would live 128 00:06:57,728 --> 00:07:00,928 in something of a little bubble, to be honest, 129 00:07:01,008 --> 00:07:04,328 so I think this is a recipe for disaster for someone like him. 130 00:07:04,407 --> 00:07:08,687 -Honka spent his free time drinking in 24-hour bars 131 00:07:08,561 --> 00:07:10,751 around the Reeperbahn 132 00:07:10,321 --> 00:07:13,491 in the city's notorious red-light district. 133 00:07:13,561 --> 00:07:17,091 -There will be lots of reasons why people turn to alcohol, 134 00:07:17,167 --> 00:07:19,807 but I think in this case, here is an individual 135 00:07:19,888 --> 00:07:23,008 who didn't have a lot of control over his life as a child. 136 00:07:23,087 --> 00:07:24,637 There was a lot going on around him 137 00:07:24,714 --> 00:07:27,724 that he had very little power over whatsoever, 138 00:07:27,794 --> 00:07:31,064 and what can happen with people who experience circumstances 139 00:07:31,134 --> 00:07:32,764 like these is that in adulthood, 140 00:07:32,834 --> 00:07:35,414 they develop an intense need to be in control 141 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:37,361 of what's going on around them, and for some people, 142 00:07:37,434 --> 00:07:40,564 that will manifest itself in self-medication. 143 00:07:42,354 --> 00:07:45,634 -[ Speaking German ] 144 00:07:45,707 --> 00:07:48,347 -One of the bars was the famous Goldenen Handschuh, 145 00:07:48,421 --> 00:07:50,091 the Golden Glove. 146 00:07:50,161 --> 00:07:53,741 It was named like that because it belonged to a famous boxer, 147 00:07:53,814 --> 00:07:56,094 and right across was the Elbschlosskeller, 148 00:07:56,161 --> 00:07:58,311 a bar where mainly homeless alcoholics 149 00:07:58,081 --> 00:08:00,531 or drifters hung out. 150 00:08:00,601 --> 00:08:03,071 Well, they drank plenty of alcohol. 151 00:08:03,147 --> 00:08:05,877 The preferred drink was grain schnapps with lemonade. 152 00:08:09,634 --> 00:08:13,054 There was dancing, and it didn't get cleaned very often. 153 00:08:13,127 --> 00:08:15,787 It was open all hours, around the clock, 154 00:08:15,861 --> 00:08:17,581 and looked accordingly. 155 00:08:17,654 --> 00:08:20,954 You had to be careful not to stick to the floor, 156 00:08:21,021 --> 00:08:23,361 and those were the surroundings and conditions. 157 00:08:29,201 --> 00:08:31,601 These people had reached rock-bottom, 158 00:08:31,674 --> 00:08:33,894 at least the women who went there, 159 00:08:33,561 --> 00:08:36,201 and now and then, the men would take the women home 160 00:08:36,274 --> 00:08:38,044 with them to play sex games. 161 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:45,891 -The Golden Glove soon became one of Honka's favorite haunts. 162 00:08:45,968 --> 00:08:48,808 He would regularly visit after finishing his shift 163 00:08:48,881 --> 00:08:50,951 as a night watchmen. 164 00:08:51,021 --> 00:08:53,751 The owner of the bar, Jorn Nurnberg, 165 00:08:53,827 --> 00:08:57,777 became friendly with the man his regulars knew as Fite. 166 00:08:57,781 --> 00:09:02,191 -[ Speaking German ] 167 00:09:02,267 --> 00:09:03,777 -When he came in wearing his uniform, 168 00:09:03,721 --> 00:09:06,571 you could see that he was very proud of himself, 169 00:09:06,641 --> 00:09:08,591 but he was never pushy. 170 00:09:08,661 --> 00:09:11,951 People who didn't know him, who just saw him briefly, 171 00:09:11,561 --> 00:09:13,391 thought he looked a bit odd 172 00:09:13,461 --> 00:09:16,751 because Fite wasn't exactly a pinup. 173 00:09:16,821 --> 00:09:18,401 At times, he looked a bit creepy. 174 00:09:22,528 --> 00:09:25,598 -A traffic accident in his 20s had left Honka 175 00:09:25,674 --> 00:09:28,514 with a crooked nose and a pronounced squint. 176 00:09:28,581 --> 00:09:31,481 -Well, he's an individual who has never really had 177 00:09:31,554 --> 00:09:34,864 a very positive relationship when it comes to women. 178 00:09:34,934 --> 00:09:36,784 So he was abandoned by his mother. 179 00:09:36,854 --> 00:09:38,374 The relationship that he had with his wife 180 00:09:38,441 --> 00:09:40,631 was quite chaotic and quite unstable, 181 00:09:40,701 --> 00:09:44,311 so there isn't a really positive association 182 00:09:44,381 --> 00:09:47,271 with women in his mind at this point in time. 183 00:09:47,347 --> 00:09:50,287 -Honka is a mentally unstable, 184 00:09:50,367 --> 00:09:53,037 intellectually challenged runt of a man 185 00:09:53,114 --> 00:09:56,414 who has profound sexual problems. 186 00:09:56,487 --> 00:09:58,157 He finds sex with a women almost impossible 187 00:09:58,234 --> 00:10:00,794 and therefore demands oral sex. 188 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:07,007 He is a drunk, a loner, who has had almost no paternal, 189 00:10:07,087 --> 00:10:09,667 maternal caring as a child. 190 00:10:09,741 --> 00:10:13,181 He was no one's idea of Mr. Universe, 191 00:10:13,254 --> 00:10:17,724 but he was, clearly or at least able, 192 00:10:17,794 --> 00:10:21,384 could afford to hire prostitutes. 193 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:24,784 -Honka had taken a liking to older prostitutes 194 00:10:24,854 --> 00:10:28,394 who could often be found in the bars around the Reeperbahn. 195 00:10:28,467 --> 00:10:32,277 -[ Speaking German ] 196 00:10:32,354 --> 00:10:34,634 -These were homeless women who had no income. 197 00:10:34,701 --> 00:10:36,311 He had money. 198 00:10:36,381 --> 00:10:38,231 He could offer alcohol. 199 00:10:38,307 --> 00:10:39,817 He could offer a place to stay, 200 00:10:39,894 --> 00:10:41,884 and that made it quite easy for him. 201 00:10:41,954 --> 00:10:42,924 I wouldn't say to make friends, 202 00:10:42,994 --> 00:10:46,304 but certainly to make the acquaintance of people, 203 00:10:46,374 --> 00:10:48,534 whether that would be female or male, 204 00:10:48,201 --> 00:10:50,011 and as a result, he was well-known 205 00:10:50,081 --> 00:10:51,841 in these circles he moved in. 206 00:10:51,914 --> 00:10:55,124 The lowest class of society, that was his world. 207 00:11:00,761 --> 00:11:03,881 -And it was a world that was about to implode. 208 00:11:03,954 --> 00:11:07,884 On the 17th of July, 1975, 209 00:11:07,721 --> 00:11:10,771 a fire in Honka's apartment block would lead 210 00:11:10,841 --> 00:11:12,801 to a startling revelation -- 211 00:11:12,874 --> 00:11:15,684 the dismembered bodies of four women. 212 00:11:17,427 --> 00:11:21,067 -[ Speaking German ] 213 00:11:21,147 --> 00:11:24,007 -The fire service responded to the fire incident, 214 00:11:24,087 --> 00:11:26,307 and when they found the bodies in the attic, 215 00:11:26,381 --> 00:11:29,201 they called us, the homicide squad, so myself 216 00:11:29,274 --> 00:11:32,804 and the rest of the on-duty team made our way to the crime scene. 217 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:38,554 -The police waited for Honka to arrive home from his shift 218 00:11:38,627 --> 00:11:39,937 as a night watchman. 219 00:11:40,014 --> 00:11:42,044 He was immediately arrested 220 00:11:42,041 --> 00:11:45,591 and taken to the police station for questioning. 221 00:11:45,401 --> 00:11:48,761 -[ Speaking German ] 222 00:11:50,854 --> 00:11:53,804 -We set out to do our work and walk through the crime scene 223 00:11:53,874 --> 00:11:56,674 and during the crime-scene investigation, 224 00:11:56,748 --> 00:11:58,158 a mummified corpse was found, 225 00:11:58,234 --> 00:12:01,244 and underneath this mummified corpse 226 00:12:01,314 --> 00:12:03,684 lay a partly decomposed torso. 227 00:12:15,614 --> 00:12:19,224 We broke down walls, broke through the floor and searched. 228 00:12:19,294 --> 00:12:20,384 Throughout the whole flat, 229 00:12:20,454 --> 00:12:23,044 we noticed this very strong smell. 230 00:12:23,114 --> 00:12:24,944 I'd say the typical smell of decay 231 00:12:25,014 --> 00:12:27,104 mixed with that of burning. 232 00:12:27,174 --> 00:12:28,764 Very unpleasant. 233 00:12:28,834 --> 00:12:31,894 And so this led us to search more, 234 00:12:31,601 --> 00:12:34,781 and we found a hatch facing the side of the roof 235 00:12:34,854 --> 00:12:36,194 that had been covered with wallpaper, 236 00:12:36,267 --> 00:12:38,637 and then we broke into the side of the roof 237 00:12:38,714 --> 00:12:40,014 and found a large object 238 00:12:40,087 --> 00:12:42,517 wrapped in bed linen with a corpse inside. 239 00:12:49,101 --> 00:12:50,351 We took it out and announced 240 00:12:50,421 --> 00:12:52,161 that we had discovered another body. 241 00:12:55,787 --> 00:12:59,267 -The press soon got wind of this shocking discovery 242 00:12:59,347 --> 00:13:01,667 and headed for the crime scene. 243 00:13:01,747 --> 00:13:05,467 Lutz Jaffé was a newspaper photographer at the time. 244 00:13:05,547 --> 00:13:09,507 -[ Speaking German ] 245 00:13:09,587 --> 00:13:11,867 -We always listened to the police radio. 246 00:13:11,941 --> 00:13:13,861 Back then, it was possible to do that, 247 00:13:13,934 --> 00:13:16,344 and you could hear where things were happening. 248 00:13:16,414 --> 00:13:20,454 That's how we found out about the fire in Zeissstrasse. 249 00:13:20,521 --> 00:13:22,481 We heard a residential building was burning, 250 00:13:22,554 --> 00:13:24,444 and, of course, I headed right out. 251 00:13:31,834 --> 00:13:33,794 The fire brigade was already there. 252 00:13:33,867 --> 00:13:36,067 You obviously wait a little because you never know 253 00:13:36,141 --> 00:13:38,161 what's going on inside the house. 254 00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:40,044 Is anyone hurt? Did someone die? 255 00:13:42,927 --> 00:13:45,337 Well, firefighters have a good nose, 256 00:13:45,414 --> 00:13:48,604 and they can, of course, pick up the smell of decaying bodies. 257 00:13:51,254 --> 00:13:54,164 And then I think they found Honka's bags. 258 00:13:59,534 --> 00:14:02,814 We were downstairs getting information from the police. 259 00:14:02,881 --> 00:14:07,041 "We have found a corpse. We have found two corpses. 260 00:14:06,681 --> 00:14:11,551 We have found three corpses. We have found four corpses." 261 00:14:11,627 --> 00:14:14,447 Well, of course, for us, it was a huge story 262 00:14:14,527 --> 00:14:17,597 because things like this don't happen very often in Hamburg. 263 00:14:23,141 --> 00:14:24,711 Up and down the street, 264 00:14:24,787 --> 00:14:28,007 the news that this wasn't just a fire spread quickly, 265 00:14:28,087 --> 00:14:30,637 and a lot of people turned up. 266 00:14:30,714 --> 00:14:34,004 You can see in the photo that they looked into the police car, 267 00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:36,854 this cluster of people left and right. 268 00:14:36,927 --> 00:14:38,787 It was just sensational. 269 00:14:38,867 --> 00:14:40,957 Also, for the people who lived there, 270 00:14:41,034 --> 00:14:42,874 it was simply unbelievable. 271 00:14:42,941 --> 00:14:44,241 They probably knew him. 272 00:14:44,314 --> 00:14:46,544 They knew Honka. 273 00:14:46,614 --> 00:14:48,484 The following day, it was on the front page 274 00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:50,604 of all of Hamburg's newspapers. 275 00:14:53,201 --> 00:14:57,451 -As forensic experts work tirelessly at the crime scene, 276 00:14:57,521 --> 00:15:00,191 detectives at the police station were beginning to question 277 00:15:00,267 --> 00:15:03,467 Honka about the gruesome discovery. 278 00:15:03,541 --> 00:15:08,521 -[ Speaking German ] 279 00:15:08,594 --> 00:15:11,414 -During the interrogation, you have to try to get 280 00:15:11,481 --> 00:15:13,731 a confession or at least try to get clues 281 00:15:13,807 --> 00:15:17,127 that explain the evidence found at the crime scene. 282 00:15:17,201 --> 00:15:19,071 Only this evidence from the crime scene 283 00:15:19,147 --> 00:15:20,927 can help to confront him with allegations 284 00:15:21,001 --> 00:15:23,121 that eventually lead to charging him. 285 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:32,057 So I explained the situation. 286 00:15:32,134 --> 00:15:34,774 We had found four bodies in his living room 287 00:15:34,841 --> 00:15:37,151 and the adjoining rooms of his flat, 288 00:15:37,227 --> 00:15:39,547 and I confronted him with that. 289 00:15:39,621 --> 00:15:42,201 He had nothing to say about it. 290 00:15:44,121 --> 00:15:46,161 Then he said, "I don't know. 291 00:15:46,234 --> 00:15:47,504 I've got nothing to say about this, 292 00:15:47,574 --> 00:15:50,024 and I don't know what you want from me." 293 00:15:50,094 --> 00:15:52,754 Of course, in that moment, you accuse him, and you say, 294 00:15:52,827 --> 00:15:55,607 "How is it possible that we found a wrapped-up body 295 00:15:55,681 --> 00:15:58,601 behind the disguised wall in your living room? 296 00:16:03,041 --> 00:16:05,291 And what about the two body parts we found 297 00:16:05,368 --> 00:16:07,868 in the covered hole behind your toilet, 298 00:16:07,441 --> 00:16:09,881 the mummified corpse and the torso? 299 00:16:09,954 --> 00:16:11,084 You see? 300 00:16:14,414 --> 00:16:17,964 And what about the fact that we found loads of women's dresses, 301 00:16:17,801 --> 00:16:20,561 and that initial examinations of the wrapped-up body show 302 00:16:20,634 --> 00:16:22,454 that it is a woman? 303 00:16:22,121 --> 00:16:25,111 So is the mummified body, just as the chopped-up body 304 00:16:25,181 --> 00:16:29,011 we found under the coals also belongs to a woman?" 305 00:16:29,081 --> 00:16:31,411 When we confronted him and asked him, 306 00:16:31,481 --> 00:16:32,851 "What have you got to say to that," 307 00:16:32,921 --> 00:16:35,881 he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "No idea." 308 00:16:41,741 --> 00:16:44,911 And there you are, the officer leading the interrogation, 309 00:16:44,987 --> 00:16:46,667 and you need to prove to him 310 00:16:46,741 --> 00:16:49,001 that he does have something to do with it. 311 00:16:53,947 --> 00:16:56,777 -With Honka not giving them any information, 312 00:16:56,854 --> 00:16:59,274 the police began the arduous task of 313 00:16:59,347 --> 00:17:02,847 trying to identify the remains of all four women, 314 00:17:02,561 --> 00:17:04,761 and they got a big break early on. 315 00:17:04,834 --> 00:17:06,914 Missing parts of one of the bodies 316 00:17:06,981 --> 00:17:10,631 had been discovered four years previously. 317 00:17:10,707 --> 00:17:12,947 -[ Speaking German ] 318 00:17:13,027 --> 00:17:16,597 -In November 1971, a worker at a factory yard 319 00:17:16,674 --> 00:17:19,664 in the Gausssirasse came across some junk, 320 00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:23,004 and when he rummaged through it, he found body parts. 321 00:17:27,354 --> 00:17:30,204 He saw a hand sticking out of a pile of rubbish. 322 00:17:30,274 --> 00:17:33,154 He immediately informed the police, 323 00:17:33,221 --> 00:17:34,361 and the local officers on duty 324 00:17:34,434 --> 00:17:36,974 who were the first to arrive at the scene informed us 325 00:17:37,047 --> 00:17:40,227 that the findings were, indeed, body parts. 326 00:17:40,307 --> 00:17:42,667 We went to investigate further and spotted 327 00:17:42,747 --> 00:17:45,097 several chopped-up body parts. 328 00:17:45,174 --> 00:17:48,414 Only the torso and the right leg were missing. 329 00:17:48,487 --> 00:17:50,997 Everything else was there, but cut into pieces. 330 00:17:55,001 --> 00:17:59,071 Besides the body parts, we found breasts that had been cut off, 331 00:17:58,681 --> 00:18:00,991 suggesting that this was, in all probability, 332 00:18:01,067 --> 00:18:03,077 related to a sex offense. 333 00:18:05,767 --> 00:18:09,067 -Although the head was badly decomposed, 334 00:18:09,148 --> 00:18:13,868 in 1971, experts were able to reconstruct it well enough 335 00:18:13,941 --> 00:18:16,911 to enable the police to provide a photo to the press. 336 00:18:16,987 --> 00:18:18,557 The victim was identified 337 00:18:18,634 --> 00:18:22,634 as 42-year-old prostitute Gertraud Brauer. 338 00:18:22,707 --> 00:18:24,717 Before the fire at Honka's apartment, 339 00:18:24,794 --> 00:18:27,964 the case had remained unsolved. 340 00:18:28,034 --> 00:18:31,944 -[ Speaking German ] 341 00:18:32,014 --> 00:18:33,554 -We had come full circle, 342 00:18:33,621 --> 00:18:36,121 from the body parts found in the Gausssirasse 343 00:18:36,194 --> 00:18:37,854 to the torso found on the premises 344 00:18:37,921 --> 00:18:39,631 of Honka's living quarters, 345 00:18:39,701 --> 00:18:42,601 and subsequently, we could charge him with this crime. 346 00:18:45,487 --> 00:18:49,887 -Honka had murdered Gertraud in December, 1970, 347 00:18:49,401 --> 00:18:51,761 after picking her up in the Golden Glove. 348 00:18:51,834 --> 00:18:54,634 It was the first time he'd killed someone. 349 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:56,601 Investigators believe he strangled 350 00:18:56,674 --> 00:18:58,634 the 42-year-old to death 351 00:18:58,707 --> 00:19:01,107 because she refused to have sex with him. 352 00:19:01,187 --> 00:19:04,217 He dismembered her body using a saw. 353 00:19:04,161 --> 00:19:06,411 -To simply cut off a limb 354 00:19:06,487 --> 00:19:09,597 is a fairly straightforward procedure. 355 00:19:09,674 --> 00:19:11,634 You need a knife to get through the flesh 356 00:19:11,707 --> 00:19:13,817 and a saw to get through the bone. 357 00:19:13,894 --> 00:19:18,174 It doesn't have to be a complex thing to do. 358 00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:22,131 It's not like you're a surgeon doing an operation. 359 00:19:22,201 --> 00:19:25,001 -Golden Glove barman Jorn Nurnberg 360 00:19:25,074 --> 00:19:28,724 had unknowingly assisted Honka in meeting his victims. 361 00:19:28,794 --> 00:19:30,344 -[ Speaking German ] 362 00:19:30,414 --> 00:19:32,154 -He always said in a sneaky way, 363 00:19:32,227 --> 00:19:34,187 "Hey, Jorn, give that one a little drink, 364 00:19:34,267 --> 00:19:36,627 but don't tell her it's from me." 365 00:19:36,401 --> 00:19:39,861 "Okay, Fite, no problem," gave the drink. 366 00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:42,084 "Who's that from?" "From someone." 367 00:19:42,154 --> 00:19:44,214 "Oh, okay. Good." 368 00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:48,731 They didn't ask much, as long as they had something to drink. 369 00:19:48,807 --> 00:19:52,477 -Gertraud Brauer, a hairdresser and part-time prostitute, 370 00:19:52,554 --> 00:19:55,204 was a regular in the bar. 371 00:19:55,274 --> 00:19:58,164 -Time after time, prostitutes are killed 372 00:19:58,234 --> 00:20:00,794 because no one reports them missing. 373 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:03,037 They live on the edge of the law. 374 00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:08,364 They're long past in connection with their families. 375 00:20:08,001 --> 00:20:11,481 They are living in a twilight world, 376 00:20:11,554 --> 00:20:15,634 and, well, you miss a prostitute? 377 00:20:15,707 --> 00:20:16,787 Well, she could've given up, 378 00:20:16,867 --> 00:20:18,267 or she could've gone to another city, 379 00:20:18,341 --> 00:20:19,781 or she could've gone back to her mother, 380 00:20:19,854 --> 00:20:21,474 or whatever it may have been, 381 00:20:21,547 --> 00:20:24,087 and so they're very seldom tracked. 382 00:20:24,167 --> 00:20:27,507 -Even though Honka refused to cooperate with the police, 383 00:20:27,587 --> 00:20:31,267 they had now identified one of his victims. 384 00:20:31,341 --> 00:20:35,151 Each time they interrogated him, detectives tried to find out 385 00:20:35,221 --> 00:20:37,401 more about the other three women. 386 00:20:37,474 --> 00:20:40,274 -[ Speaking German ] 387 00:20:40,341 --> 00:20:43,131 -"You frequently go to St. Pauli. 388 00:20:43,201 --> 00:20:45,561 You're still going to the Elbschlosskeller 389 00:20:45,634 --> 00:20:48,194 and other bars in St. Pauli. 390 00:20:47,961 --> 00:20:50,631 You drink vast amounts of alcohol. 391 00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:53,437 We found a lot of alcohol in your flat. 392 00:20:55,234 --> 00:20:57,414 And we've seen the walls in your place. 393 00:20:57,487 --> 00:21:00,927 They're full of pornographic posters." 394 00:21:01,001 --> 00:21:02,821 Well, we also found a plastic doll 395 00:21:02,894 --> 00:21:04,774 he probably used to satisfy himself 396 00:21:04,641 --> 00:21:07,071 when no woman was around. 397 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:09,331 The aim was to unsettle him. 398 00:21:09,408 --> 00:21:11,978 The uncertainty produced insecurity. 399 00:21:12,054 --> 00:21:14,634 His replies to specific questions were different 400 00:21:14,707 --> 00:21:17,157 to those he had given the previous day. 401 00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:24,314 -After taking the life of another human 402 00:21:24,387 --> 00:21:28,007 for the first time in December, 1970, 403 00:21:28,087 --> 00:21:32,297 Honka wouldn't kill again for almost four years. 404 00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:36,254 -What happened to start him off again in August, 1974? 405 00:21:36,121 --> 00:21:39,971 I would argue that Honka's alcoholism had probably got 406 00:21:40,047 --> 00:21:47,907 so intense by that time that he was desperately out of control, 407 00:21:47,981 --> 00:21:52,021 and perhaps he just had genuinely some kind of 408 00:21:52,094 --> 00:21:57,444 psychotic break, some kind of brainstorm that led him to kill. 409 00:21:57,514 --> 00:22:01,644 -The police had a wealth of evidence against Honka, 410 00:22:01,081 --> 00:22:05,211 but they were desperate for him to make a full confession. 411 00:22:05,281 --> 00:22:07,031 If he continued with his silence, 412 00:22:07,107 --> 00:22:11,077 they may never identify the other three murdered women. 413 00:22:15,214 --> 00:22:19,314 -[ Speaking German ] 414 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:21,771 -It smelled really odd in the house. 415 00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:23,391 There were also foreigners living there, 416 00:22:23,461 --> 00:22:24,871 and Honka always said, 417 00:22:24,941 --> 00:22:27,211 "The foreigners cook in a funny way. 418 00:22:27,281 --> 00:22:30,751 They use strange spices in their food, and that's why it stinks." 419 00:22:30,821 --> 00:22:33,801 None of the neighbors suspected that it wasn't the foreigners, 420 00:22:33,874 --> 00:22:37,174 that the smell came from the body parts in Honka's flat, 421 00:22:37,247 --> 00:22:39,157 and they had started to reek. 422 00:22:43,467 --> 00:22:47,117 -Once somebody dies, decomposition will begin. 423 00:22:47,194 --> 00:22:51,394 There will be an increase, to start with, 424 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:54,841 in particularly the smell that comes from the body. 425 00:22:54,914 --> 00:23:00,944 As the body functions render down, things start to decompose. 426 00:23:01,014 --> 00:23:03,694 -[ Speaking German ] 427 00:23:03,767 --> 00:23:06,547 -Everywhere in the flat were scented stones, 428 00:23:06,621 --> 00:23:08,361 all around the skirting boards. 429 00:23:08,434 --> 00:23:10,104 The toilet was full of them. 430 00:23:10,174 --> 00:23:12,124 They were everywhere. 431 00:23:14,528 --> 00:23:17,698 -The longer the bodies had remained in Honka's attic, 432 00:23:17,774 --> 00:23:20,564 the harder it was to get rid of them. 433 00:23:20,634 --> 00:23:23,214 -A dead body is difficult to move, 434 00:23:23,281 --> 00:23:25,091 and once rigor mortis starts to set in 435 00:23:25,161 --> 00:23:28,151 and the body becomes stiff, it's not even flexible to move. 436 00:23:28,221 --> 00:23:30,361 It can be very hard to do. 437 00:23:30,434 --> 00:23:33,064 -This is really illustrative of the type of 438 00:23:33,134 --> 00:23:34,624 serial killer he was. 439 00:23:34,694 --> 00:23:38,664 He wasn't massively organized in terms of covering up his crimes. 440 00:23:38,734 --> 00:23:41,244 You know, he would have the corpses of his victims 441 00:23:41,314 --> 00:23:42,834 right there in his flat. 442 00:23:42,401 --> 00:23:44,831 He didn't actually dispose of them, 443 00:23:44,907 --> 00:23:46,907 so this was something that he was doing 444 00:23:46,981 --> 00:23:49,401 just kind of short-term, reactionary, 445 00:23:49,474 --> 00:23:52,804 just kind of coping with each day as it arose. 446 00:23:52,874 --> 00:23:55,714 -When the police went to Honka's favorite bars 447 00:23:55,781 --> 00:23:59,621 and broke the news that bodies had been found in his flat, 448 00:23:59,361 --> 00:24:02,861 they were met with complete disbelief. 449 00:24:02,934 --> 00:24:05,574 -[ Speaking German ] 450 00:24:05,648 --> 00:24:08,378 -No one expected that of him, no one. 451 00:24:08,454 --> 00:24:10,234 Even if you've met him, you'd definitely have said, 452 00:24:10,307 --> 00:24:12,767 "Him? Nah, he's too harmless." 453 00:24:12,841 --> 00:24:14,201 Really shocking. 454 00:24:16,547 --> 00:24:19,207 -Journalists also went round the bars 455 00:24:19,281 --> 00:24:22,441 to get background color for their stories. 456 00:24:22,514 --> 00:24:27,024 -[ Speaking German ] 457 00:24:27,094 --> 00:24:29,614 -Part of the story was to look around and find out, 458 00:24:29,681 --> 00:24:32,101 "Where did Honka meet his women?" 459 00:24:32,174 --> 00:24:34,314 and that was in the Goldenen Handschuh. 460 00:24:34,381 --> 00:24:36,001 It was unimaginable. 461 00:24:36,074 --> 00:24:38,294 This was pure poverty. 462 00:24:38,361 --> 00:24:41,891 People, human wrecks, women as well as men, 463 00:24:41,961 --> 00:24:44,361 whose fate had taken a sad turn for the worse. 464 00:24:51,654 --> 00:24:54,644 These people had reached the very bottom of society. 465 00:24:54,714 --> 00:24:57,474 This doesn't mean that had to be criminals, 466 00:24:57,541 --> 00:25:00,001 but they were very poor creatures. 467 00:25:05,834 --> 00:25:08,004 As a consequence, it smelled pretty bad 468 00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:09,854 in the Goldenen Handschuh, 469 00:25:09,928 --> 00:25:12,328 as these people weren't able to wash. 470 00:25:12,408 --> 00:25:15,038 They had nowhere to go, as many of them were homeless. 471 00:25:20,621 --> 00:25:23,801 -The police had identified one of Honka's victims 472 00:25:23,874 --> 00:25:25,584 as Gertraud Brauer, 473 00:25:25,654 --> 00:25:28,404 but the other three remained a mystery. 474 00:25:28,474 --> 00:25:33,314 Establishing their identities would not be simple. 475 00:25:33,381 --> 00:25:36,731 -Even in the modern era of DNA, 476 00:25:36,807 --> 00:25:40,467 identifying victims can be incredibly challenging. 477 00:25:40,547 --> 00:25:44,507 By and large, you have to have something to compare 478 00:25:44,581 --> 00:25:48,471 your victim to, so dental records, 479 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,187 evidence of missing people, have they got 480 00:25:51,261 --> 00:25:55,081 defining characteristics that's unique to them? 481 00:25:59,801 --> 00:26:04,251 -The police found a pile of women's ID cards in Honka's flat 482 00:26:04,321 --> 00:26:06,271 and set about the complicated task 483 00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:09,847 of trying to find the rightful owners among the prostitutes 484 00:26:09,927 --> 00:26:13,157 who frequented the bars around the Reeperbahn. 485 00:26:13,234 --> 00:26:15,814 Each time they found a woman alive, 486 00:26:15,888 --> 00:26:19,628 they were able to cross her off the list of potential victims. 487 00:26:19,701 --> 00:26:23,471 One of the local officers at the time was Peter Reichard. 488 00:26:23,547 --> 00:26:26,147 -[ Speaking German ] 489 00:26:26,227 --> 00:26:27,557 -We were able to work our way 490 00:26:27,634 --> 00:26:29,894 through all the names on this list, 491 00:26:29,601 --> 00:26:33,321 and we realized that our women all seemed to be alive. 492 00:26:34,987 --> 00:26:37,507 -The Hamburg police also put out a call 493 00:26:37,587 --> 00:26:39,807 to colleagues across Germany 494 00:26:39,887 --> 00:26:44,547 for details of missing women in their mid-40s to mid-50s. 495 00:26:44,621 --> 00:26:48,251 -[ Speaking German ] 496 00:26:48,327 --> 00:26:50,127 -How many missing persons reports 497 00:26:50,201 --> 00:26:52,001 do you think they get in Germany? 498 00:26:52,074 --> 00:26:53,734 I had stacks of them on my desk, 499 00:26:53,807 --> 00:26:55,247 and I had to look through all of them, 500 00:26:55,121 --> 00:26:57,921 and somehow still wasn't making progress. 501 00:27:00,961 --> 00:27:04,071 Well, so we catalogued the clothes we had found 502 00:27:04,141 --> 00:27:05,551 in his flat, hung them up, 503 00:27:05,627 --> 00:27:09,877 numbered them, and photographed each item. 504 00:27:09,721 --> 00:27:11,781 These clothes were really the only thing 505 00:27:11,521 --> 00:27:13,081 we had at that moment. 506 00:27:18,067 --> 00:27:21,707 -Detectives would have to go to the bars Honka went to around 507 00:27:21,781 --> 00:27:25,061 the Reeperbahn to see if anyone could help them. 508 00:27:25,134 --> 00:27:29,054 -[ Speaking German ] 509 00:27:29,127 --> 00:27:31,927 -You try going to St. Pauli when you don't have a name. 510 00:27:32,007 --> 00:27:33,867 You don't have an address. 511 00:27:33,941 --> 00:27:35,921 All you have is clothes and nothing else. 512 00:27:35,994 --> 00:27:37,674 You have the name of Mr. Honka, 513 00:27:37,741 --> 00:27:40,371 and with that, you go to a bar and ask people, 514 00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:42,601 "What kind of girlfriends did he have?" 515 00:27:47,574 --> 00:27:49,834 What do you think the people in these bars tell you? 516 00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:51,941 "Yes, he had many women, you know? 517 00:27:52,014 --> 00:27:54,314 One was called Annie, the other Gerda, 518 00:27:54,387 --> 00:27:57,547 and the next, Erika, but that's all we know." 519 00:27:57,621 --> 00:28:00,081 Well, what are you going to do with that? 520 00:28:03,694 --> 00:28:06,694 So you go round all the bars showing the outfits, 521 00:28:06,361 --> 00:28:08,931 and if you're lucky, you might get a name. 522 00:28:09,001 --> 00:28:12,601 "Yeah, such-and-such always wore these kind of clothes." 523 00:28:16,254 --> 00:28:19,324 As soon as you get a first name, you can make progress. 524 00:28:19,394 --> 00:28:21,214 At that point, we were established 525 00:28:21,281 --> 00:28:23,881 that we were probably dealing with aging prostitutes. 526 00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:32,191 -Using the list of missing persons, 527 00:28:32,267 --> 00:28:34,397 the clothes found in Honka's apartment 528 00:28:34,474 --> 00:28:37,174 and the names gathered from the local bars, 529 00:28:37,241 --> 00:28:39,951 detectives were able to draw up a short list 530 00:28:40,021 --> 00:28:41,701 of possible victims. 531 00:28:41,774 --> 00:28:43,634 Armed with photographs, 532 00:28:43,707 --> 00:28:46,687 they headed out on to the Reeperbahn once more. 533 00:28:46,767 --> 00:28:48,187 -[ Speaking German ] 534 00:28:48,001 --> 00:28:50,831 -And with these pictures, we went back to show them around 535 00:28:50,907 --> 00:28:52,927 and were finally able to establish, 536 00:28:53,008 --> 00:28:55,038 "Yes, he had a thing with her." 537 00:28:58,041 --> 00:29:01,031 -It was a major breakthrough for the police. 538 00:29:01,101 --> 00:29:04,021 They had linked a number of women to Honka. 539 00:29:04,094 --> 00:29:06,914 -[ Speaking German ] 540 00:29:06,987 --> 00:29:09,277 -As soon as we knew who these women were, 541 00:29:09,121 --> 00:29:11,351 we could confront him again and again 542 00:29:11,427 --> 00:29:13,057 during the interrogations, 543 00:29:13,134 --> 00:29:15,494 and we kept insisting until he'd say, 544 00:29:15,561 --> 00:29:20,511 "Yes, I knew her, and she'd been over at my place." 545 00:29:20,281 --> 00:29:25,241 So at least now he had admitted that they'd been with him. 546 00:29:25,314 --> 00:29:28,824 Some stayed longer with him, for days, even weeks. 547 00:29:28,894 --> 00:29:29,914 It was nice for the women. 548 00:29:29,981 --> 00:29:32,131 Suddenly, they had somewhere to live. 549 00:29:32,201 --> 00:29:35,591 The question was, what happened next? 550 00:29:35,667 --> 00:29:37,987 Well, we obviously had to confront him with the fact 551 00:29:38,061 --> 00:29:40,251 that he had killed the woman, 552 00:29:40,327 --> 00:29:42,757 and all he said, "I can't remember." 553 00:29:46,527 --> 00:29:48,987 We had no choice but to accept that. 554 00:29:49,061 --> 00:29:52,371 However, there was evidence that the women 555 00:29:52,441 --> 00:29:55,761 who had been identified and who had also lived with him, 556 00:29:55,834 --> 00:30:00,564 were found dead in his flat, and that exactly was the point. 557 00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:06,331 -But the police still needed a confession. 558 00:30:06,401 --> 00:30:10,531 -[ Speaking German ] 559 00:30:10,601 --> 00:30:13,611 -Now we just had to hear from him that he killed them 560 00:30:13,321 --> 00:30:15,061 and how he killed them 561 00:30:15,134 --> 00:30:18,654 and what he did with the bodies, and that's difficult. 562 00:30:18,727 --> 00:30:20,697 That's very difficult. 563 00:30:20,774 --> 00:30:24,284 As I remember, he always made it sound like it was a possibility, 564 00:30:24,354 --> 00:30:27,084 but he never admitted it 100%. 565 00:30:29,921 --> 00:30:35,001 -It is interesting that he didn't deny the killings. 566 00:30:34,841 --> 00:30:37,131 He wasn't a particularly, 567 00:30:37,207 --> 00:30:39,087 "Oh, no, it's got nothing to do with me." 568 00:30:38,761 --> 00:30:40,381 Mind you, it would've been very difficult for him 569 00:30:40,454 --> 00:30:41,684 to deny the killings. 570 00:30:41,754 --> 00:30:44,354 He was living with the body parts of four women. 571 00:30:43,921 --> 00:30:45,651 I mean, how they got there, 572 00:30:45,721 --> 00:30:47,981 he was the only person who truly knew. 573 00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:49,854 -[ Speaking German ] 574 00:30:49,927 --> 00:30:51,207 -We kept pushing him. 575 00:30:51,281 --> 00:30:52,891 "But you chopped up the bodies. 576 00:30:52,968 --> 00:30:56,278 You cut the women up with a saw," and so on. 577 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,764 He just said, "I can't remember." 578 00:31:02,507 --> 00:31:05,197 -It was further frustration for the police. 579 00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:12,477 For example, he would say, "Yeah, I slept with that woman, 580 00:31:12,554 --> 00:31:15,214 and in the morning, she was lying dead next to me. 581 00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:19,761 Well, how she died, the way she died, I simply can't say." 582 00:31:22,368 --> 00:31:25,858 -Although Honka continued to deny killing the three women, 583 00:31:25,934 --> 00:31:30,074 the detectives were at least able to finally identify them. 584 00:31:30,141 --> 00:31:32,931 They were 54-year-old Anna Beuschel, 585 00:31:33,001 --> 00:31:38,011 52-year-old Ruth Schult and 57-year-old Frieda Roblick, 586 00:31:37,721 --> 00:31:43,131 a regular in the Golden Glove who went by the name of Rita. 587 00:31:43,201 --> 00:31:47,571 -[ Speaking German ] 588 00:31:47,641 --> 00:31:50,431 -I had a cleaning lady who always helped out. 589 00:31:50,507 --> 00:31:55,427 Her name was Sofie, and Sofie was friends with Rita. 590 00:31:55,501 --> 00:31:58,361 Now and then, Sofie would take Rita home with her 591 00:31:58,434 --> 00:32:02,064 so she could have a wash, bathe, or even sleep, 592 00:32:02,134 --> 00:32:03,804 but I don't know. 593 00:32:03,874 --> 00:32:06,484 I think she had nowhere to live. 594 00:32:11,061 --> 00:32:12,781 She was gone for a while. 595 00:32:12,854 --> 00:32:15,834 One day, she came back wearing nice clothes, 596 00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:19,341 really quite fancy, and I said, "Where have you been? 597 00:32:19,414 --> 00:32:21,534 I already thought you were dead." 598 00:32:21,608 --> 00:32:23,998 "No, I have a new boyfriend, and he's wonderful." 599 00:32:28,641 --> 00:32:31,581 -But that new boyfriend was Fritz Honka, 600 00:32:31,654 --> 00:32:36,154 who strangled her to death in December 1974. 601 00:32:36,221 --> 00:32:38,991 -Honka always seems to me to be 602 00:32:39,061 --> 00:32:41,031 kind of a accidental serial killer. 603 00:32:40,841 --> 00:32:43,071 He didn't fit what the BAU 604 00:32:42,841 --> 00:32:47,041 or the FBI's behavioral unit call organized. 605 00:32:46,681 --> 00:32:48,991 He was completely disorganized. 606 00:32:49,061 --> 00:32:50,991 These were crimes of opportunity. 607 00:32:51,061 --> 00:32:53,571 He wasn't stalking these women. 608 00:32:53,641 --> 00:32:56,751 He wasn't planning their killings. 609 00:32:56,827 --> 00:32:58,127 They happened. 610 00:32:58,208 --> 00:33:01,468 They were part of his tragic character 611 00:33:01,541 --> 00:33:04,671 and part of his drinking and part of the fact 612 00:33:04,481 --> 00:33:06,501 that he found any kind of sexual relationship 613 00:33:06,574 --> 00:33:09,624 with women almost impossible, and this was the only way 614 00:33:09,694 --> 00:33:14,144 he could find to satisfy those desires that he had. 615 00:33:14,214 --> 00:33:17,394 -The West German press were fascinated with Honka. 616 00:33:17,461 --> 00:33:20,831 Photographer Lutz Jaffé managed to capture a photograph 617 00:33:20,901 --> 00:33:23,171 of the mysterious killer. 618 00:33:23,241 --> 00:33:26,891 -[ Speaking German ] 619 00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:29,061 -Back then, you could have pretty good contacts 620 00:33:29,134 --> 00:33:31,654 within the police, and I knew that Honka 621 00:33:31,727 --> 00:33:34,477 would be taken either to prison or to appear in front 622 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:37,534 of the Magistrate at a specific time. 623 00:33:37,601 --> 00:33:39,921 Someone from the police had told me about it. 624 00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:48,004 Well, and then I lay in wait for him to arrive. 625 00:33:48,074 --> 00:33:50,514 That's how this photo came about, 626 00:33:50,581 --> 00:33:53,431 as he turned around when I called, "Mr. Honka!" 627 00:33:53,501 --> 00:33:55,281 That's how I managed to catch him. 628 00:33:58,601 --> 00:34:00,631 -The police were trying to determine a motive 629 00:34:00,707 --> 00:34:01,757 for the murders. 630 00:34:01,834 --> 00:34:04,094 Interviews with local prostitutes 631 00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:06,707 who'd been with Honka and lived to tell the tale 632 00:34:06,781 --> 00:34:11,131 revealed shocking facts about his perverse sexual tastes. 633 00:34:11,207 --> 00:34:15,237 -[ Speaking German ] 634 00:34:16,747 --> 00:34:21,847 -The women who escaped from his home were very lucky. 635 00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:25,687 The interrogation of these women hinted at his sexual practices, 636 00:34:25,761 --> 00:34:28,531 and these were sometimes catastrophic. 637 00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:30,508 I don't want to go into every detail here, 638 00:34:30,581 --> 00:34:32,561 but it was pretty terrible. 639 00:34:38,507 --> 00:34:41,427 It's possible these sexual practices got out of hand 640 00:34:41,507 --> 00:34:46,307 and became excessive, which, I have to say, 641 00:34:46,381 --> 00:34:48,441 might have led to the death of a women. 642 00:34:54,921 --> 00:34:58,171 -One of the surviving victims showed the police a scar 643 00:34:57,881 --> 00:35:02,021 she'd received in a brutal sexual encounter with Honka. 644 00:35:02,094 --> 00:35:05,354 -[ Speaking German ] 645 00:35:05,421 --> 00:35:08,071 -Because she was so upset about Fritz Honka, 646 00:35:08,141 --> 00:35:10,981 that dirty old swine, as she called him, 647 00:35:11,054 --> 00:35:14,474 she pulled up her skirt, took off her underwear 648 00:35:14,541 --> 00:35:17,041 and pointed to a scar beside her vagina. 649 00:35:17,114 --> 00:35:18,784 "What is that?" I asked her. 650 00:35:18,854 --> 00:35:21,874 She then told us that during a sexual encounter 651 00:35:21,441 --> 00:35:23,951 with Fritz Honka, he had penetrated her 652 00:35:24,021 --> 00:35:25,831 with a broom handle. 653 00:35:25,901 --> 00:35:28,131 That's where the injury had come from, 654 00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:30,328 and she ended up in hospital. 655 00:35:30,401 --> 00:35:33,721 She was furious, angry beyond belief, you could say. 656 00:35:36,821 --> 00:35:40,741 -And she wasn't the only one who needed medical treatment 657 00:35:40,814 --> 00:35:43,044 after spending the night with Honka. 658 00:35:43,114 --> 00:35:46,164 -[ Speaking German ] 659 00:35:48,254 --> 00:35:51,944 -For example, one of the women he took back to his place, 660 00:35:52,014 --> 00:35:55,764 he sat her with a bare bum on top of a hot plate. 661 00:35:55,834 --> 00:35:59,034 As a result, the woman ran semi-naked out of the flat. 662 00:35:59,107 --> 00:36:01,067 This is an example, 663 00:36:01,147 --> 00:36:03,117 a sort of thing where he became violent. 664 00:36:08,654 --> 00:36:11,124 This may have resulted in these deaths, 665 00:36:11,194 --> 00:36:13,594 but, of course, it's also possible 666 00:36:13,661 --> 00:36:16,661 that the women weren't complying with his demands 667 00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:18,884 and he became violent towards them. 668 00:36:22,707 --> 00:36:25,747 -The investigation was drawing to an end, 669 00:36:25,827 --> 00:36:28,777 but some questions remained unanswered. 670 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:32,584 -He had, unbelievable though it may seem, 671 00:36:32,654 --> 00:36:38,154 escaped under the radar for five years, killing four women 672 00:36:38,221 --> 00:36:41,931 and basically keeping them around the flat as trophies. 673 00:36:42,001 --> 00:36:44,721 Now, there's no suggestion that Honka had sex 674 00:36:44,361 --> 00:36:46,131 with them postmortem. 675 00:36:46,201 --> 00:36:48,891 There's no suggestion that he was some kind of necrophiliac. 676 00:36:48,967 --> 00:36:52,327 I think he was just a dreadfully lazy drunk 677 00:36:52,407 --> 00:36:55,327 who didn't know what else to do and just convinced himself 678 00:36:55,407 --> 00:36:57,267 it would be perfectly all right. 679 00:36:57,341 --> 00:37:03,291 -In November, 1976, the trial of Fritz Honka began in Hamburg. 680 00:37:03,368 --> 00:37:05,868 He had retracted his initial confession 681 00:37:05,941 --> 00:37:09,361 and was now denying all the charges against him. 682 00:37:09,434 --> 00:37:11,874 -Well, his defense strategy when he was arrested and charged 683 00:37:11,947 --> 00:37:14,887 with the crimes was an incredibly bizarre one. 684 00:37:14,961 --> 00:37:17,431 He decided to blame Jack the Ripper, 685 00:37:17,507 --> 00:37:20,907 who was sending him messages to kill these women. 686 00:37:20,987 --> 00:37:23,587 Now, this appears to be something that is, you know, 687 00:37:23,667 --> 00:37:26,537 completely bizarre and very odd, 688 00:37:26,614 --> 00:37:29,154 but it could be evidence of somebody 689 00:37:29,221 --> 00:37:32,561 who is experiencing some kind of mental ill health. 690 00:37:32,634 --> 00:37:36,694 We know that people who experience episodes of psychosis 691 00:37:36,768 --> 00:37:39,648 feel very strongly compelled to act in a particular way, 692 00:37:39,721 --> 00:37:42,781 and they're not really fully in control of their actions, 693 00:37:42,854 --> 00:37:44,714 but equally, at the same time, 694 00:37:44,781 --> 00:37:46,641 if you are reading the newspapers, 695 00:37:46,714 --> 00:37:48,624 if you are listening to the radio, 696 00:37:48,694 --> 00:37:50,614 and you know that this is something 697 00:37:50,681 --> 00:37:51,801 that is available to you, 698 00:37:51,874 --> 00:37:53,954 that you're able to come out with this 699 00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:56,651 and it perhaps be taken seriously, 700 00:37:56,721 --> 00:37:59,291 then you're going to give it a go. 701 00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:01,311 -The psychiatrists who examined Honka 702 00:38:01,381 --> 00:38:04,161 during the court case concluded 703 00:38:04,234 --> 00:38:07,734 that he'd acted with diminished criminal responsibility. 704 00:38:07,807 --> 00:38:12,557 On the 20th of December, 1976, the jury found him guilty 705 00:38:12,634 --> 00:38:16,374 of three counts of manslaughter and one of murder, 706 00:38:16,441 --> 00:38:19,541 that of 54-year-old Anna Beuschel, 707 00:38:19,614 --> 00:38:23,874 who he had strangled in his apartment in August 1974. 708 00:38:23,947 --> 00:38:29,367 Honka was sentenced to 15 years in a psychiatric hospital. 709 00:38:29,441 --> 00:38:32,511 -He might have been described at the time as a big slow. 710 00:38:32,081 --> 00:38:35,621 That affects the amount of culpability 711 00:38:35,361 --> 00:38:37,831 that we assign to his crimes. 712 00:38:37,907 --> 00:38:39,767 So was he in control of what he was doing? 713 00:38:39,841 --> 00:38:41,331 Did he know what he was doing was wrong? 714 00:38:41,401 --> 00:38:43,771 And if that can't be established, 715 00:38:43,847 --> 00:38:47,547 then perhaps he is treated in a mental-health facility 716 00:38:47,621 --> 00:38:50,931 rather than a prison, and, indeed, he served 15 years 717 00:38:51,001 --> 00:38:54,191 in a hospital, in a hospital setting. 718 00:38:54,261 --> 00:38:58,311 -The crimes of Fritz Honka left the entire country in shock, 719 00:38:58,387 --> 00:39:01,007 especially the city of Hamburg. 720 00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:04,461 -[ Speaking German ] 721 00:39:04,534 --> 00:39:06,374 -I believe after the Second World War, 722 00:39:06,448 --> 00:39:08,378 such a murder case has never happened again 723 00:39:08,454 --> 00:39:10,934 in the history of crimes in Hamburg. 724 00:39:11,001 --> 00:39:13,531 It was a unique case, that someone killed four women, 725 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:16,121 dismembered them, and left them in his flat. 726 00:39:22,188 --> 00:39:23,458 -[ Speaking German ] 727 00:39:23,534 --> 00:39:27,734 -After that, we became very, very well-known beyond Hamburg, 728 00:39:27,807 --> 00:39:31,217 famous for the murder, as unpleasant as it was, 729 00:39:30,961 --> 00:39:35,321 and as sorry as I felt for the women, especially Rita. 730 00:39:35,394 --> 00:39:37,524 Rita really didn't deserve it. 731 00:39:40,247 --> 00:39:43,197 -Honka was released from the psychiatric hospital 732 00:39:43,274 --> 00:39:45,394 in 1993. 733 00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:47,547 He spend the final years of his life 734 00:39:47,321 --> 00:39:51,621 in a nursing home under the name Peter Jensen. 735 00:39:51,694 --> 00:39:55,974 He died in Hamburg on the 19th of November, 1998. 736 00:39:56,041 --> 00:39:58,881 He was 63 years old. 737 00:39:58,954 --> 00:40:02,114 Today, Fritz Honka has become something of a cult figure 738 00:40:02,187 --> 00:40:03,417 in Hamburg. 739 00:40:03,494 --> 00:40:06,294 The Golden Glove continues to capitalize 740 00:40:06,367 --> 00:40:09,067 on its most infamous former customer, 741 00:40:09,147 --> 00:40:13,447 with the words "Honka Saloon" emblazoned above the entrance. 742 00:40:13,527 --> 00:40:16,157 -[ Speaking German ] 743 00:40:16,234 --> 00:40:18,854 -These bars were a no-go zone. 744 00:40:18,927 --> 00:40:23,547 Not in a million years would a normal Hamburg citizen go there. 745 00:40:23,621 --> 00:40:25,841 Only after the series of murders was made public 746 00:40:25,914 --> 00:40:27,564 did it become an interesting place 747 00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:30,634 for people in fur coats to visit after the opera, 748 00:40:30,707 --> 00:40:33,777 so they could see for themselves how well-off they were 749 00:40:33,854 --> 00:40:36,214 and how miserable the others. 750 00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:38,111 "Well, I'm going to be really generous 751 00:40:38,187 --> 00:40:40,317 and pay for a round of beer." 752 00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,484 It was just to boost their own ego. 753 00:40:45,107 --> 00:40:48,027 -But it should never be forgotten that Honka was 754 00:40:48,101 --> 00:40:50,121 a violent killer who took away 755 00:40:49,961 --> 00:40:52,601 the lives of four innocent women. 756 00:40:52,674 --> 00:40:55,414 -I think he's somebody who did evil things, 757 00:40:55,481 --> 00:40:59,391 but if we call him evil, we let him off the hook. 758 00:40:59,467 --> 00:41:00,547 We just simply explain it away as, 759 00:41:00,627 --> 00:41:02,647 "Well, this kind of subhuman monster 760 00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:04,851 that just does these things because they're evil," 761 00:41:04,927 --> 00:41:06,597 and that removes the possibility 762 00:41:06,674 --> 00:41:08,814 that they've chosen to do these things. 763 00:41:08,887 --> 00:41:12,627 -It's entirely possible that Honka would have got away 764 00:41:12,707 --> 00:41:14,477 with it a little longer. 765 00:41:14,121 --> 00:41:17,511 No one really had complained particularly. 766 00:41:17,581 --> 00:41:21,031 He'd had bodies in the flat for almost five years. 767 00:41:21,107 --> 00:41:23,437 He could well have had them for another two years. 768 00:41:23,514 --> 00:41:25,914 It is inevitable, however, 769 00:41:25,981 --> 00:41:30,001 that eventually justice would've caught up with Honka. 770 00:41:30,074 --> 00:41:33,294 -Fritz Honka callously killed four women 771 00:41:33,361 --> 00:41:37,071 between 1970 and 1975. 772 00:41:37,147 --> 00:41:40,567 He strangled them before dismembering their bodies. 773 00:41:40,641 --> 00:41:42,301 By attacking prostitutes, 774 00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:45,314 he hoped his crimes would never be revealed. 775 00:41:45,387 --> 00:41:48,667 Had it not been for a fire in his apartment block, 776 00:41:48,741 --> 00:41:52,101 who knows just how many victims may have been murdered 777 00:41:52,174 --> 00:41:54,824 at the hands of Fritz Honka, 778 00:41:54,561 --> 00:41:58,241 one of the world's most evil killers. 779 00:41:58,314 --> 00:42:06,574 ♪ 780 00:42:06,641 --> 00:42:14,481 ♪ 781 00:42:14,554 --> 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