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This programme contains scenes which some viewers
may find upsetting and deals with sexual abuse
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I'm sure you've had a lot of people
that won't talk to you.
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I'm willing to talk,
but I can't change the past.
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This is humanity. This is life.
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This is the way people
looked the other way.
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I worked for the New York City
Police Department for ten years,
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and you would think that I would've
been more savvy as a retired cop.
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Shouldn't I have known better?
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Shouldn't I have caught on
to something there?
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So, I don't have an answer.
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They would send a boat that
would take me out
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to his island to do massage.
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And it was a nice gig.
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You know, it's quite a place.
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It's just dreamy.
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It's to die for.
Just a beautiful, beautiful place.
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Jeffrey was a nice fella.
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You know, there was no reason
to be suspicious in any way.
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There was a woman there that
was running around,
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taking care of all sorts of details.
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Only to find out later that
that was Ghislaine.
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Anyhow, after one of his massages,
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he says, "Could you come in?"
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And I went in there,
and there was a young lady there.
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He asked me to show her
how to do massage.
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So, I massaged Jeffrey with her,
and showed her a stroke or two,
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and had her follow up doing
the same strokes as me.
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Based on everything
I've read since that time,
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you know, she could've easily
been under 16.
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But that young lady may have
suffered for many years
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under the control of
Ghislaine and Jeffrey.
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And for that young lady,
I would like to say,
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you know, I'm so sorry...
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...| didn't do anything about it.
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I didn't know...
or I chose not to know.
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SIREN WAILS
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The trial of the century.
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This is the trial of the century!
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This is one of the most eagerly
anticipated criminal trials
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in recent history.
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It's the opening day of
case number 20, Cr 330.
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The United States of America
versus Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Ghislaine Maxwell...
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SPEAKING IN GERMAN
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"Jeffrey Epstein.
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Maxwell stands accused of recruiting
and trafficking young girls
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to be sexually abused by her
now-dead partner, Jeffrey Epstein.
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It is a vast departure from the
luxury in which Ghislaine Maxwell
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has spent most of her life.
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On one side, the defence team,
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reportedly costing Maxwell
more than $7 million.
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On the other, two lawyers who
have spent seven years
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preparing their case against her.
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This is a trial about
a sex-trafficking enterprise,
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that destroyed the lives of
countless young women and girls.
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And I think people are fascinated
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as to how they got away
with it so long.
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A conviction is very important,
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because the one key thing
you don't want to do is allow
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an abuser back out on the streets.
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To allow her access to
the public again would just
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be catastrophic, in my view.
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Attending court,
Ghislaine Maxwell's family,
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including her brothers,
Kevin and Ian.
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Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter
of the disgraced billionaire
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media tycoon, Robert Maxwell.
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The trial is just the latest
in a long line of scandals
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to hit the Maxwell family,
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which began with her father.
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My philosophy of life
can be stated very simply.
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Happiness could only be had
in hard work.
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In service to your fellow man,
and to your country.
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The question remains,
how did he fall off the boat?
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NEWSREADER: The Serious Fraud Office
has begun an investigation of
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Mirror Group Newspapers.
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Robert Maxwell's sons,
Kevin and Ian, have denied
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conspiring to defraud
their company's pension scheme.
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What do you feel right now, when
you're carrying this name?
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I'm proud of it. I love my name.
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I was born with it,
and I'm proud of it,
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and I shall remain proud of it
forever. It's a great name.
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OVER LOUDSPEAKER: What do you know,
Ghislaine Maxwell?
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What do you know?
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We want names, we want answers!
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You must be held accountable!
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We, the people, deserve to know!
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My job is I go to parties.
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I meet people, and I see
what people are doing,
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and I see what people don't
want me to see.
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Because there's always
something going on.
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I started my career when
I was discovered by Andy Warhol
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at the tender age of โ
oh, my God, Andy, don't hate me!
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But I was probably 16 or 17.
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And you know, I started going
to the Warhol clique.
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He gave me my first job,
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and I started interviewing
celebrities for Interview magazine.
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And I met everybody.
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I would go out night after night,
looking for stories.
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So, I've done a lot of snooping.
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And I found that,
if you just listened,
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if you just, kind of,
like, were quiet,
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and people knew you were a
storyteller, they found you.
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And they just loved to talk!
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Back in the '90s,
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I was working for Avenue Magazine
and Hamptons magazine,
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as their society columnist.
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So, that's when I first actually met
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both Jeffrey and Ghislaine,
at parties.
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Ghislaine Maxwell,
when she was in a room,
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you knew she was there, and she
wanted you to know she was there.
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So she performed.
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She was on, she was effervescent,
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and I felt that she knew
she was being watched,
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she wanted to be watched.
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But I thought Jeffrey Epstein
was another case.
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He was a little bit shy.
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He didn't really stand out.
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And so, Ghislaine fulfilled the idea
of being his social director.
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It was almost like
she was his social secretary.
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Her little black book was
everything to her.
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And she dealt in the commerce
of introductions.
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She really was a connector.
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She had this invisible
butterfly net,
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and she would go out in
the social scene
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in London and New York,
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and she would whisk her net and
capture the beautiful people.
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The rich, the famous,
the powerful people.
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And she had this posh accent.
She was well-educated.
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She was witty, she was fun!
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I mean, everybody talks about
how much fun she is,
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and she deliberately set out to
make friends with important people.
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And she used her royal
Rolodex to do that.
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Her big card was Prince Andrew.
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That was her main calling card.
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Everywhere she went, it's Prince
Andrew this, Prince Andrew that.
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You know, they say in America
that if you put out a lamb chop,
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everyone will come.
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Well, if you put out Prince Andrew,
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it's a rare bird in New York City.
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You know, you can see all kinds
of wildlife here, but you know,
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royalty is somewhat unusual.
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So, they all came.
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There's no question that Prince
Andrew elevated Ghislaine Maxwell
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and Jeffrey Epstein.
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You know, it just gave
her this veneer.
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"Oh, she's in the royal court.
She's a friend of the Prince."
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"She's..." you know, "She has
the blessing of the Queen!"
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It coated her with a veneer
of respectability.
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But I don't believe
the society people I know โ
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whose names I can't even speak,
cos they'd kill me โ knew.
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We just didn't know.
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People weren't paying attention.
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We demand justice!
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We demand that justice is served,
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and it can start with
Ghislaine Maxwell!
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The trial of Ghislaine Maxwell
is under way.
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The prosecution call four women who
claim Ghislaine groomed them
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for abuse by Epstein
when they were all under 18.
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We, the people, demand justice!
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As well as her family,
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the public gallery is filled with
journalists and former friends.
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So, what do you think will
your feelings be like
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when you see her today?
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Cos, I mean, you were
friends back then.
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Yeah. We used to be friends, er,
now, a long time ago.
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It does feel very strange that this
vivacious creature I met in New York
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in 1989, is now with all of this,
you know, hue and cry, and drama,
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and global media attention.
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When I think back to
the girl I met in 1990,
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and if you told me this was
where her story would end up,
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I wouldn't believe you.
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Why would someone do this?
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You know, why would
she hurt other women?
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But then, I think you
need to go back to
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the very beginning of this story.
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Robert Maxwell, her father,
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was someone who really understood
the weaknesses of people
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and played on them, and used them.
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Life, to him, was war.
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And I think, from the moment
Robert Maxwell died,
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her life became war.
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Something twisted in her.
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She'd lost her father.
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She'd ostensibly lost
all her money.
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The shame on the family was huge,
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and I think she really felt that.
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I think she left England
because she felt that shame.
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And she was trying to rebuild
her life in America.
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It's almost as if
she shed her old skin
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and put on a new one.
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It was all about being seen
in the right place,
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with the right house,
with the right amount of staff,
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flying on private planes,
going to private islands.
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She had to be seen as powerful.
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She had to be seen as someone
at the top of the tree.
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She had to win.
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I remember vividly,
it was early one morning.
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A young woman with her step-mother
came into my office,
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and told me what was ultimately
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an incredible story about an
operation where other young women
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were being recruited, as well
as her, to be brought over to
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this mansion on Palm Beach island.
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She told me that there was a wealthy
gentleman that lived on the island
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that was willing to pay these
young girls 55200-300 sometimes,
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to go and give explicit
sexual massages.
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She was 14 years old at the time
the incident had occurred to her.
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The Palm Beach Police Department
gets word of what's occurring,
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and, during that investigation,
the police found literally
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tens of other girls who had been
brought to the mansion
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and had been sexually abused.
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Young, very young girls.
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Tell me, from the beginning, how you
met this gentleman.
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And at that point, we learned
that it was a gentleman
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by the name of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Palm Beach is a very
exclusive island.
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These are the top 100
wealthiest people,
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sometimes in the world,
to have winter homes โ
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and when I say "winter homes",
these are huge mansions on a
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very exclusive and wealthy island.
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And then, there's West Palm Beach,
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which is the mainland portion
of Palm Beach County.
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But the West Palm Beach area,
really, as you go from the water
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out west, you have
much-less-wealthy individuals,
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you have people living
in trailer homes.
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What we found was that most of
the young girls came from this area.
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A lot of them had troubled youths,
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they had troubled backgrounds.
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$100โ200 US really meant
a lot to them.
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If a 50-year-old man drives up in
a limousine or in a Rolls-Royce
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and approaches this 14-year-old
girl on the street, and says
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"Hey, young girl, get in the car
and come back to my home,
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"and I'm going to, you know,
have you give me a massage."
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That young girl, even at 14,
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her defences are high enough at
that point to run away, hopefully.
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But when a very sophisticated,
attractive older woman,
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with a British accent
approaches and says,
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"Hey, you know, you're beautiful.
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"Come back to the house and I know
a man who is friendly with
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"the owner of Victoria's Secret,
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"and you would make
a beautiful model.
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"And we'd love for you
to come back and pose for us."
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That 14-year-old girl,
all of a sudden,
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those defences that would
ordinarily be up, are now down.
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This is a woman who knew what
Epstein was going to do.
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She was bringing them into
the mouth of the lion.
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She knew first-hand the abuse
that these young girls
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were going to suffer.
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I wanted to just, like,
be quiet and live my life,
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and forget about it all.
251
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But then, I can't forget about it.
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I'm tired of feeling ashamed, when
I didn't actually do anything wrong.
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And I know that I'm one of
the lucky ones.
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I know that other people
have had far worse,
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and that's who I want to speak for.
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I want to speak for the people,
you know, who can't talk any more.
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I was just a young girl
with hopes and dreams,
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and I thought I could really
make something of my life.
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So, I started modelling.
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I thought, you know,
that I could try.
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SHE CHUCKLES
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One day, this beautiful
American model approached me
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and asked me if I was a model.
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I told her that I'd just
started modelling, and then,
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she said her friend, who owned
Victoria's Secret, was here,
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and did I want to meet him?
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Because he could help with
my modelling career.
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So, I was like, "Oh, my God, like,
my dreams are all coming true."
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I just couldn't believe it.
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What an opportunity.
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So, we went to show
Jeffrey my portfolio.
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I walked in to the hotel room,
I sat opposite him,
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I gave him my modelling book,
and he looked through it,
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and he was like "Wow.
"You have the most amazing figure
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"I've ever seen in my life."
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Then he said, "Right, we definitely
want to bring you over
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"from South Africa to New York."
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They said that they'd pay
for my ticket and get me a visa.
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I thought it was going to be the
most amazing opportunity of my life.
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But then, his office phoned
and said, "Pack your bag.
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"We're going to the Caribbean."
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I assumed it was for a photoshoot,
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so I said immediately, "Yes."
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It was the most beautiful place
you'd ever seen, ever.
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The sea there is absolutely
exquisite, the turquoise sea.
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When I first arrived there,
it was just me.
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I was staying in
a small chalet by the pool.
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On the first day I got there,
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I found all these
disposable cameras.
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So, I took, erm...
I kept two of them, or three,
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and took a few photos
while I was there.
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The little chalet I was made
to stay in when I first got there,
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had this very weird artwork
on the wall.
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It was a naked girl,
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and there was, like,
a big walrus trying to...
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It looked like the walrus
was trying to rape her.
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Yeah, it was a very
disturbing picture.
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I've never seen
a picture like that.
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He had a lot of weird stuff
around his house.
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There was just pictures
of naked girls everywhere.
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00:21:06,381 --> 00:21:09,092
And there was a lot of naked
pictures of Ghislaine around, too.
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00:21:11,302 --> 00:21:13,251
Well, when I first met Ghislaine,
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I was told that she was
Epstein's girlfriend.
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The thing is, they never...
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I didn't even see them
hold hands or kiss once,
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or even give each other a hug,
to be honest.
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I never saw them, like,
come that close.
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So, it definitely wasn't
a romantic relationship.
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Jeffrey really liked
watching movies.
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And the next day,
another girl was brought in โ
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and we were watching a movie,
and this other girl was there,
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and she started performing
a sex act on him while
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I was sitting next to him,
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and I was absolutely petrified.
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Because I was so young and
I'd never seen anything like that.
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So, I just ran out of the room
and I was crying. I was just...
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I just didn't know what to do.
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There was no hope of getting away.
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You know, I was in a
foreign country.
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I was without any cellphone or
money, or means of communication.
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00:22:03,934 --> 00:22:06,704
I just realised then
I was completely trapped.
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And there was nothing I could do.
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Ghislaine was running the girls,
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and she'd also tell us when
we had to go to his bedroom.
325
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You couldn't say no.
There was just no option.
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You didn't want to make them angry.
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It would have been very,
very scary making them angry.
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No-one even tried to stand up
against them. Mm-mm.
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His bedroom was pitch-dark
and ice-cold.
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I just checked out of my body and
I just let him do what he wanted,
331
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because I didn't know
what else to do.
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I tried to escape his room
in my mind.
333
00:22:55,694 --> 00:22:58,134
I just tried to pretend
it wasn't happening.
334
00:23:00,413 --> 00:23:02,804
Things happened there
that scared me so deeply
335
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that I can't even talk about them.
336
00:23:07,524 --> 00:23:10,734
He fed off the terror, off the...
337
00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,413
There was something about
the energy of a girl being scared
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that he liked.
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He was taking me back and forth,
340
00:23:25,293 --> 00:23:28,654
I think it was over, like,
just under a year-and-a-half.
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I was so broken by that point that
I just, sort of, went along with it.
342
00:23:33,854 --> 00:23:36,093
I went along with anything,
I suppose.
343
00:23:37,804 --> 00:23:41,524
I was being ordered to his bedroom
at least three times a day.
344
00:23:41,524 --> 00:23:44,524
And by that point,
there were even more girls.
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In that time, I saw at least
60 girls coming and going.
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00:23:49,804 --> 00:23:52,054
At least.
347
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I was 20 when I was taken there.
348
00:23:54,574 --> 00:23:57,343
So, you see, I was lucky, cos I
wasn't as young as the other girls.
349
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It was just like a factory.
350
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He was running a machine,
351
00:24:05,574 --> 00:24:07,984
and Ghislaine Maxwell was
the one operating it.
352
00:24:09,884 --> 00:24:12,804
You know, people ask
why I went back.
353
00:24:12,804 --> 00:24:14,624
No-one disobeyed Epstein.
354
00:24:18,444 --> 00:24:21,083
Before I was sent home,
he took me to his office,
355
00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:23,804
and he told me that a woman
had accused him of rape,
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00:24:23,804 --> 00:24:26,083
and he planted drugs
in her apartment,
357
00:24:26,083 --> 00:24:27,444
and had her sent to prison.
358
00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:32,394
And then, he said that he had
my family's name on a list.
359
00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:35,134
So, I just did as I was told,
360
00:24:35,134 --> 00:24:38,163
because I was petrified of him,
because of who he was.
361
00:24:38,163 --> 00:24:41,413
I knew that crossing him
would be a very, very bad idea.
362
00:24:54,884 --> 00:24:57,014
I never felt OK again after that.
363
00:24:59,754 --> 00:25:01,433
Everything just fell to pieces.
364
00:25:06,163 --> 00:25:08,163
It's very,
very hard to understand.
365
00:25:11,574 --> 00:25:13,774
I'm still trying
to piece it all together.
366
00:25:41,054 --> 00:25:44,444
After two weeks of evidence
for the prosecution,
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00:25:44,444 --> 00:25:46,804
it's time for Maxwell's defence.
368
00:25:46,804 --> 00:25:50,134
They will try and cast doubt on
some of the stories of the victims.
369
00:25:50,134 --> 00:25:53,644
Ultimately, it does come down
to whether you believe the victims,
370
00:25:53,644 --> 00:25:55,904
or whether you believe
Ghislaine Maxwell,
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00:25:55,904 --> 00:25:58,854
who has denied all of
the charges against her.
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They are expected to try to
paint Maxwell as being
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something of a victim, herself.
374
00:26:09,083 --> 00:26:11,804
With his sister fighting back
in the courtroom,
375
00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:14,724
Kevin Maxwell calls a
press conference
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00:26:14,724 --> 00:26:17,054
and goes on the offensive.
377
00:26:17,054 --> 00:26:22,443
Our sister has been in pre-trial
detention for 522 days.
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00:26:22,443 --> 00:26:25,524
She is in the care of
the Department of justice.
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00:26:27,914 --> 00:26:32,274
You really have to ask yourself,
in 2021, what on earth are
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00:26:32,274 --> 00:26:38,423
they doing shackling a 59-year-old
woman in this way every day,
381
00:26:38,423 --> 00:26:42,814
when she represents absolutely
no threat to the community?
382
00:26:42,814 --> 00:26:46,343
And so, what we're asking for
is for them to live up to
383
00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:50,784
the duty of care they owe an
innocent person, who is presumed
384
00:26:50,784 --> 00:26:54,303
innocent until a verdict comes in.
385
00:26:55,454 --> 00:26:58,024
Ultimately, the only people that
can help are you guys,
386
00:26:58,024 --> 00:27:00,064
because it's simply unacceptable.
387
00:27:00,064 --> 00:27:02,704
You wouldn't want it to happen
to your mother, your sister,
388
00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:05,144
your girlfriend,
or any friend of yours.
389
00:27:05,144 --> 00:27:07,144
Enough is enough.
This has got to stop.
390
00:27:33,704 --> 00:27:35,814
When you have a hunter,
391
00:27:35,814 --> 00:27:40,173
he's going to go after
the weakest in the pack.
392
00:27:40,173 --> 00:27:43,064
And that's exactly what Jeffrey
Epstein and Maxwell thrived on,
393
00:27:43,064 --> 00:27:44,664
is hunting the weakest...
394
00:27:46,554 --> 00:27:50,303
...in an effort to discourage
them from talking.
395
00:27:51,664 --> 00:27:56,024
They thoroughly dug into
the lives of these young girls.
396
00:27:59,173 --> 00:28:02,504
Some of my clients would tell me
that they had cars that were
397
00:28:02,504 --> 00:28:05,423
following them down the street
to and from school.
398
00:28:05,423 --> 00:28:08,664
They had vehicles that would show up
at their house late at night,
399
00:28:08,664 --> 00:28:10,944
and shine lights into
their bedroom windows.
400
00:28:13,423 --> 00:28:16,784
They had random phone calls that
were being called at their homes.
401
00:28:16,784 --> 00:28:18,944
It was really unbelievable.
402
00:28:20,734 --> 00:28:24,223
So, we reached out to the
Palm Beach Police Department,
403
00:28:24,223 --> 00:28:26,984
and that's when things really
began to take off.
404
00:28:32,553 --> 00:28:35,784
It is now 2:15pm.
405
00:29:22,814 --> 00:29:27,144
The Palm Beach Police Department,
they went in and found that it
406
00:29:27,144 --> 00:29:29,343
was highly likely that Epstein
had gotten tipped off
407
00:29:29,343 --> 00:29:30,814
to the investigation.
408
00:29:32,093 --> 00:29:33,664
When they arrived at the home,
409
00:29:33,664 --> 00:29:36,944
there were numerous things
that were missing,
410
00:29:36,944 --> 00:29:41,814
like security cameras and
hard drives to computers.
411
00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:46,014
But there were certain things that
they were able to find and seize,
412
00:29:46,014 --> 00:29:48,624
like phone books and message pads.
413
00:29:50,784 --> 00:29:54,704
Those message pads included numerous
different phone calls to young girls
414
00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:56,553
who police knew were underage.
415
00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:01,734
Messages about how Epstein
was going to be in town,
416
00:30:01,734 --> 00:30:03,664
when his schedule was,
417
00:30:03,664 --> 00:30:05,644
when they could come over
to the house.
418
00:30:07,284 --> 00:30:10,374
Those types of things were hard
evidence of what was
419
00:30:10,374 --> 00:30:11,664
going on in the home.
420
00:30:13,664 --> 00:30:17,303
And it was at that time that
they finally put together what
421
00:30:17,303 --> 00:30:20,944
they felt was a very solid case
to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein,
422
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,014
and then turned that over to
the State Attorney in Palm Beach.
423
00:30:39,594 --> 00:30:44,514
There was a certain amount of hope
the Feds would be able to expand
424
00:30:44,514 --> 00:30:49,563
this investigation across the
country, well beyond Palm Beach,
425
00:30:49,563 --> 00:30:52,634
and even to New York and
his private island.
426
00:30:52,634 --> 00:30:56,074
So, there was a great deal of hope
that this would end up
427
00:30:56,074 --> 00:30:58,233
with Jeffrey Epstein behind bars
428
00:30:58,233 --> 00:31:00,433
for a very long time,
if not forever.
429
00:31:05,634 --> 00:31:08,594
And then, all of a sudden,
out of the clear blue,
430
00:31:08,594 --> 00:31:12,594
I get a random call in the middle
of the day that Jeffrey Epstein's
431
00:31:12,594 --> 00:31:14,384
going to be at the courthouse,
432
00:31:14,384 --> 00:31:16,074
and he's going to be giving a plea.
433
00:31:17,954 --> 00:31:20,744
No-one had informed me or
my clients about this.
434
00:31:20,744 --> 00:31:23,233
No-one had told any of
the victims that there was
435
00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:25,914
a potential deal in the works.
436
00:31:25,914 --> 00:31:28,514
It was rather shocking that,
at points during the plea,
437
00:31:28,514 --> 00:31:31,764
the lawyers actually went up to the
judge and had a private conference,
438
00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:34,794
where no-one could hear what
they were talking about.
439
00:31:34,794 --> 00:31:37,824
I mean, there's that sinking
feeling, as a lawyer,
440
00:31:37,824 --> 00:31:39,594
that something is going on now
441
00:31:39,594 --> 00:31:42,024
that's being hidden from
everyone else.
442
00:31:43,874 --> 00:31:47,914
I've been practising law
now for 25-26 years,
443
00:31:47,914 --> 00:31:51,154
I don't think I've ever seen
an arraignment like that before.
444
00:32:01,154 --> 00:32:04,874
Under this deal, he was supposed
to spend at least a year behind bars
445
00:32:04,874 --> 00:32:07,384
in the county lockup,
here in Palm Beach.
446
00:32:07,384 --> 00:32:10,994
But interestingly, we came
to learn that his lawyers applied
447
00:32:10,994 --> 00:32:13,664
for release during the day,
so that he could go to
448
00:32:13,664 --> 00:32:16,714
an office building and do business.
449
00:32:16,714 --> 00:32:20,874
He would stay the day there.
He would get catered lunches, meals.
450
00:32:20,874 --> 00:32:22,464
People would come and visit him.
451
00:32:22,464 --> 00:32:24,183
Young girls would come, other women,
452
00:32:24,183 --> 00:32:25,954
and then, at the end of the day,
453
00:32:25,954 --> 00:32:28,074
he would then drive back to the
jail,
454
00:32:28,074 --> 00:32:30,433
where he would then just sleep.
455
00:32:30,433 --> 00:32:34,024
This is a man who was supposed
to be behind bars for molesting
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00:32:34,024 --> 00:32:36,204
and abusing over 40 young girls.
457
00:32:37,794 --> 00:32:40,874
He was essentially
spending nights in jail,
458
00:32:40,874 --> 00:32:42,274
and that was about it.
459
00:32:43,634 --> 00:32:48,744
It was incredibly
disheartening at the time,
460
00:32:48,744 --> 00:32:53,303
to have to explain to my clients...
461
00:32:53,303 --> 00:32:56,154
...the extent to which
the system let them down.
462
00:33:04,088 --> 00:33:06,449
He's very happy that his jail
sentence is over,
463
00:33:06,449 --> 00:33:08,699
and he can begin
a new chapter in his life.
464
00:33:25,649 --> 00:33:28,538
In addition to being a
society columnist,
465
00:33:28,538 --> 00:33:31,649
it was a natural thing for me
to go into public relations,
466
00:33:31,649 --> 00:33:34,088
because I knew exactly
what people wanted.
467
00:33:35,729 --> 00:33:38,139
They wanted to be in the columns.
468
00:33:38,139 --> 00:33:40,288
They wanted to be in the papers.
469
00:33:40,288 --> 00:33:43,619
They wanted to be in the
glossy magazines.
470
00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:47,579
I knew exactly what they wanted,
and I knew how to do it.
471
00:33:47,579 --> 00:33:50,259
And I would do that for people โ
and I still do.
472
00:33:50,259 --> 00:33:53,009
The problem is, sometimes
these people get in trouble.
473
00:33:54,939 --> 00:33:58,899
After the conviction,
Jeffrey Epstein calls me.
474
00:33:58,899 --> 00:34:00,899
Oh, my God, my office freaked out!
475
00:34:00,899 --> 00:34:02,899
You know, the girls in
my office are like,
476
00:34:02,899 --> 00:34:04,649
"Jeffrey Epstein's on the phone" โ
477
00:34:04,649 --> 00:34:07,009
it was, like, embarrassing
to even get the call.
478
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:09,699
So, Jeffrey wanted
crisis management, you know,
479
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,859
he wanted advice.
480
00:34:11,859 --> 00:34:16,449
So, you know, I put my tie on and
I trotted over to the house,
481
00:34:16,449 --> 00:34:19,088
because I wanted to see the house.
482
00:34:19,088 --> 00:34:23,499
This very grand house,
supposedly worth $77 million.
483
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:28,499
And there's this very grand foyer,
484
00:34:28,499 --> 00:34:31,059
with a big curving staircase.
485
00:34:31,059 --> 00:34:32,779
I did notice, throughout the house,
486
00:34:32,779 --> 00:34:36,218
there were a lot of very
heavy velvet drapes.
487
00:34:36,218 --> 00:34:38,979
Like, better to keep out
the sunlight.
488
00:34:38,979 --> 00:34:40,499
Then out walks Jeffrey.
489
00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:46,088
So, we sat down,
he asked me what he should do,
490
00:34:46,088 --> 00:34:48,449
and I had no intention
of representing him,
491
00:34:48,449 --> 00:34:49,729
and I never did.
492
00:34:49,729 --> 00:34:52,418
He never paid me,
I never took anything.
493
00:34:52,418 --> 00:34:57,139
He said to me, "Couri,
what I really don't want to do
494
00:34:57,139 --> 00:35:02,499
"is have 'paedophile billionaire'
engraved on my tombstone."
495
00:35:02,499 --> 00:35:04,579
He said, "Every story starts out
496
00:35:04,579 --> 00:35:08,179
"with 'paedophile billionaire,
Jeffrey Epstein'."
497
00:35:08,179 --> 00:35:10,729
In some cases, you can't do it.
498
00:35:10,729 --> 00:35:14,779
You simply can't explain,
you know, Mr Weinstein,
499
00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:17,288
or Ghislaine, or Jeffrey Epstein.
500
00:35:17,288 --> 00:35:22,829
I said, you know, "It starts with
really showing contrition...
501
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,179
"..confessing."
502
00:35:25,179 --> 00:35:28,779
I said, "Jeffrey, you know,
who better than the highest power
503
00:35:28,779 --> 00:35:33,088
"on Earth โ in communication
with God.
504
00:35:33,088 --> 00:35:35,699
"Why don't I get you
an audience with the Pope?"
505
00:35:37,499 --> 00:35:39,259
But of course you know,
506
00:35:39,259 --> 00:35:41,059
he's already thought
of it, years ago.
507
00:35:43,009 --> 00:35:45,579
So, I said,
"Why don't you give money?
508
00:35:45,579 --> 00:35:47,649
"There's an arts foundation,
509
00:35:47,649 --> 00:35:52,899
"and people have given away lots
and lots of money in order to,
510
00:35:52,899 --> 00:35:56,088
"sort of, whitewash their images."
511
00:35:56,088 --> 00:35:59,179
So, Ghislaine, of course,
started her own charity,
512
00:35:59,179 --> 00:36:02,809
potentially or possibly,
or maybe to help the oceans,
513
00:36:02,809 --> 00:36:05,649
but what she really was helping
was herself.
514
00:36:05,649 --> 00:36:07,979
So, how does it...all look?
ls my hair good, do I...?
515
00:36:07,979 --> 00:36:10,729
All good. It's all good.
SHE LAUGHS
516
00:36:10,729 --> 00:36:12,139
All right, we're rolling.
517
00:36:12,139 --> 00:36:15,859
Send a really important message
to the United Nations that you want
518
00:36:15,859 --> 00:36:18,899
the oceans to be part of the
sustainable development goals.
519
00:36:18,899 --> 00:36:21,109
Tell everybody how much
you love the ocean,
520
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:23,179
involve your friends and family,
521
00:36:23,179 --> 00:36:26,649
make a difference, love your
planet for generations to come.
522
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:34,859
But, as Epstein and Maxwell
embarked on a charm offensive,
523
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:37,179
two lawyers were unconvinced.
524
00:36:38,369 --> 00:36:41,699
They were digging behind
the public facade,
525
00:36:41,699 --> 00:36:44,779
and were staggered by what
they discovered.
526
00:36:44,779 --> 00:36:49,139
The scale of the sex trafficking
operation was astronomical.
527
00:36:49,139 --> 00:36:52,139
They were bringing in, you know,
up to three different girls
528
00:36:52,139 --> 00:36:54,468
a day, at times.
529
00:36:54,468 --> 00:36:57,100
They did it everywhere they went.
530
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,247
They would do it in New York,
Florida.
531
00:37:00,247 --> 00:37:03,167
If they were travelling overseas,
they would do it.
532
00:37:03,167 --> 00:37:05,076
It was constant. It never stopped.
533
00:37:06,997 --> 00:37:10,637
They had people recruiting
young girls from Eastern Europe,
534
00:37:10,637 --> 00:37:12,637
England and France.
535
00:37:12,637 --> 00:37:14,206
All over the world.
536
00:37:15,687 --> 00:37:21,247
We have two young women
we represent,
537
00:37:21,247 --> 00:37:26,127
who were abused by
the Epstein sex trafficking.
538
00:37:27,807 --> 00:37:32,047
They were both recruited
within the same month.
539
00:37:33,717 --> 00:37:36,047
One was recruited in South Africa...
540
00:37:37,847 --> 00:37:40,326
...one was recruited in
Los Angeles, California.
541
00:37:43,807 --> 00:37:46,047
I was a young adult.
542
00:37:46,047 --> 00:37:47,997
Stars in my eyes.
543
00:37:47,997 --> 00:37:50,687
Ready to take on the world.
544
00:37:50,687 --> 00:37:52,487
High hopes, big dreams.
545
00:37:53,717 --> 00:37:58,446
I am thinking that this is
a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
546
00:38:01,446 --> 00:38:04,167
I'm being flown out to New York.
547
00:38:06,446 --> 00:38:10,607
I would be met at the airport
with a driver,
548
00:38:10,607 --> 00:38:12,687
with my name on a sign.
549
00:38:14,406 --> 00:38:16,967
That was...
550
00:38:16,967 --> 00:38:19,637
I mean, that was thrilling,
you know?
551
00:38:21,737 --> 00:38:24,717
I'm to meet Miss Maxwell
at her home.
552
00:38:27,687 --> 00:38:31,167
The outside is beautiful,
and I knock on the door.
553
00:38:32,607 --> 00:38:36,887
I walk into this big,
beautiful room.
554
00:38:36,887 --> 00:38:41,167
I noticed a framed photo
on the wall of her
555
00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:46,767
and ex-President Bill Clinton,
and I thought, you know, "Wow."
556
00:38:48,607 --> 00:38:52,406
And a few moments later,
out she comes.
557
00:38:52,406 --> 00:38:54,917
Ghislaine told me that
I was going to go and meet
558
00:38:54,917 --> 00:38:57,167
with her partner, Jeffrey.
559
00:38:57,167 --> 00:38:59,847
She looked right at me
and said to me,
560
00:38:59,847 --> 00:39:03,167
"Make sure that you give
Jeffrey what he wants.
561
00:39:03,167 --> 00:39:06,406
"Because Jeffrey always gets
what he wants."
562
00:39:07,997 --> 00:39:10,607
Ghislaine knew what was
going to happen to me.
563
00:39:12,047 --> 00:39:19,326
She set me up to walk myself
to a predator's house,
564
00:39:19,326 --> 00:39:21,526
where he assaulted me.
565
00:39:23,446 --> 00:39:27,167
She knew what was going to happen.
566
00:39:30,247 --> 00:39:35,047
You don't facilitate and organise
567
00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:38,607
one of the largest sex-trafficking
rings in the world
568
00:39:38,607 --> 00:39:41,607
without intentionally
knowing what you're doing,
569
00:39:41,607 --> 00:39:45,637
and without intentionally
playing your role.
570
00:39:45,637 --> 00:39:48,807
And not only intentionally,
but very masterfully.
571
00:39:48,807 --> 00:39:51,837
She did it very well.
572
00:39:51,837 --> 00:39:56,767
Ghislaine Maxwell changed
the entire trajectory of my life.
573
00:39:59,247 --> 00:40:03,526
And years later, I decided that
I needed to do something.
574
00:40:04,887 --> 00:40:08,997
I began communicating with the FBI
575
00:40:08,997 --> 00:40:12,767
and with my wonderful lawyer,
Sigrid.
576
00:40:30,607 --> 00:40:35,837
Thursday morning,
I had plugged my phone in to charge.
577
00:40:35,837 --> 00:40:39,607
And when I did,
I had accidentally swiped to
578
00:40:39,607 --> 00:40:43,326
the news headlines that pop up.
579
00:40:43,326 --> 00:40:45,717
And there was his face.
580
00:40:46,767 --> 00:40:49,196
It was Jeffrey.
581
00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:52,247
A wealthy money manager, whose
friends have included presidents
582
00:40:52,247 --> 00:40:55,196
and a prince, is behind bars
in Manhattan tonight.
583
00:40:55,196 --> 00:40:57,767
Jeffrey Epstein is accused
of sex trafficking
584
00:40:57,767 --> 00:40:59,967
and molesting underage girls.
585
00:40:59,967 --> 00:41:04,167
Physically, I'm shaking,
and my heart is racing.
586
00:41:04,167 --> 00:41:07,406
The 66-year-old multi-millionaire
hedge fund manager,
587
00:41:07,406 --> 00:41:09,326
also a registered sex offender,
588
00:41:09,326 --> 00:41:12,406
is accused of paying
underage girls for massages,
589
00:41:12,406 --> 00:41:15,167
and molesting them at his homes
in Florida and New York.
590
00:41:16,997 --> 00:41:20,047
I remember that moment very well.
591
00:41:20,047 --> 00:41:23,767
To have him actually arrested
was just monumental.
592
00:41:23,767 --> 00:41:26,767
For me and for the women
that I represent.
593
00:41:26,767 --> 00:41:29,326
That moment,
it felt really powerful.
594
00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:33,997
They're starting to see
the light of justice.
595
00:41:39,196 --> 00:41:42,276
Breaking news tonight,
the death of convicted sex offender
596
00:41:42,276 --> 00:41:45,637
and part-time Palm Beacher,
er, Jeffrey Epstein.
597
00:41:45,637 --> 00:41:48,526
His death has officially
been ruled a suicide.
598
00:41:48,526 --> 00:41:51,637
The autopsy report was released late
this afternoon by the New York City
599
00:41:51,637 --> 00:41:53,167
Medical Examiner's office.
600
00:41:53,167 --> 00:41:56,837
It says Epstein hanged himself
with a bedsheet,
601
00:41:56,837 --> 00:41:58,807
in his Manhattan jail cell.
602
00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:01,807
I wanted to talk about
the death of Mr Epstein.
603
00:42:01,807 --> 00:42:05,406
Do you concur with the opinion
that it was a suicide?
604
00:42:05,406 --> 00:42:07,807
That was the finding of
the coroner, sir.
605
00:42:07,807 --> 00:42:10,997
With a case this high profile...
606
00:42:10,997 --> 00:42:13,837
...there's got to be either
a major malfunction of the system,
607
00:42:13,837 --> 00:42:17,446
or a criminal enterprise at foot
to allow this to happen.
608
00:42:17,446 --> 00:42:18,887
Was Mr Epstein on suicide watch?
609
00:42:18,887 --> 00:42:20,196
Yes, he was.
610
00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:23,687
Well, clearly, it didn't work here.
611
00:42:23,687 --> 00:42:26,406
So, we'll await the report,
612
00:42:26,406 --> 00:42:29,807
because all the victims
of Mr Epstein have to have
613
00:42:29,807 --> 00:42:33,477
their heart ripped out โ they'll
still never see justice.
614
00:42:33,477 --> 00:42:34,967
When Jeffrey Epstein died,
615
00:42:34,967 --> 00:42:38,887
that was really traumatic news
for the women that I represented.
616
00:42:38,887 --> 00:42:42,276
They had hoped to see him in court,
617
00:42:42,276 --> 00:42:46,247
to see him charged with all the
crimes he had committed.
618
00:42:46,247 --> 00:42:49,637
So, I was very angry that
that was taken away from them.
619
00:42:49,637 --> 00:42:52,837
You get a whole bunch of women
who were raped by this guy.
620
00:42:52,837 --> 00:42:55,917
This is a sex trafficking ring
in the United States.
621
00:42:55,917 --> 00:42:58,477
This guy had evidence,
he's got co-conspirators,
622
00:42:58,477 --> 00:43:01,047
and there are victims out there
who want to know where
623
00:43:01,047 --> 00:43:02,406
the evidence has gone.
624
00:43:02,406 --> 00:43:05,887
We are not allowed to talk
to anybody in our institutions
625
00:43:05,887 --> 00:43:08,276
about anything that happened
over the Epstein...
626
00:43:08,276 --> 00:43:10,477
With all due respect, you said,
I think your quote was,
627
00:43:10,477 --> 00:43:12,247
"We treat every inmate the same."
628
00:43:12,247 --> 00:43:17,017
But not every inmate has equal value
for future criminal investigations.
629
00:43:17,017 --> 00:43:19,907
Jeffrey Epstein was still
to testify in a case.
630
00:43:19,907 --> 00:43:25,216
That bastard wasn't able to testify
against his other co-conspirators.
631
00:43:25,216 --> 00:43:27,546
Even before Jeffrey passed away,
632
00:43:27,546 --> 00:43:30,466
I was very hopeful that
the prosecutors would
633
00:43:30,466 --> 00:43:33,827
continue to charge people,
634
00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:36,387
including, of course,
Ghislaine Maxwell.
635
00:43:55,296 --> 00:43:57,296
After nearly three weeks,
636
00:43:57,296 --> 00:44:01,387
the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell
is drawing to a close.
637
00:44:01,387 --> 00:44:05,137
The defence and prosecution
make their closing arguments,
638
00:44:05,137 --> 00:44:09,577
and one of Maxwell's friends is
there to witness the final chapter.
639
00:44:11,187 --> 00:44:16,497
One hears about despicable crimes
and terrible criminals.
640
00:44:16,497 --> 00:44:19,907
There's an added layer
of personal interest
641
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:22,296
when it's someone that you've known,
642
00:44:22,296 --> 00:44:25,937
and thought you knew,
and possibly never really knew.
643
00:44:30,137 --> 00:44:32,827
So, it's strangely compelling.
644
00:44:34,676 --> 00:44:36,827
If she's been horribly misjudged,
645
00:44:36,827 --> 00:44:42,466
and there is some, you know,
plausible explanation that
646
00:44:42,466 --> 00:44:46,296
she be found not guilty...
647
00:44:46,296 --> 00:44:51,546
Fascinating to see
if that's really possible.
648
00:44:51,546 --> 00:44:53,657
It seems so improbable.
649
00:44:55,187 --> 00:44:58,346
Perhaps the truth will
eventually emerge.
650
00:45:04,627 --> 00:45:07,137
Fascinating day in court,
651
00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:10,017
and so completely not what
I was expecting.
652
00:45:11,107 --> 00:45:15,216
When I arrived this morning...
from everything I'd read,
653
00:45:15,216 --> 00:45:18,187
I was pretty convinced that
Ghislaine Maxwell was going away
654
00:45:18,187 --> 00:45:20,067
for a long, long time.
655
00:45:20,067 --> 00:45:22,627
But when the defence spoke,
656
00:45:22,627 --> 00:45:25,627
they did a very good job.
657
00:45:25,627 --> 00:45:28,187
I have to say, I'm really shocked.
658
00:45:28,187 --> 00:45:32,777
It's the last thing I was expecting,
to come away...
659
00:45:32,777 --> 00:45:36,577
...feeling that Ghislaine
had some chance
660
00:45:36,577 --> 00:45:38,627
of evading these charges.
661
00:45:40,987 --> 00:45:44,777
Jurors have to decide which
version of events to believe.
662
00:45:44,777 --> 00:45:47,907
We don't know how long it's going to
take to come back with a verdict,
663
00:45:47,907 --> 00:45:50,107
but we may get one by Christmas,
664
00:45:50,107 --> 00:45:52,857
which is Ghislaine Maxwell's
60th birthday.
665
00:46:05,857 --> 00:46:09,346
With Epstein confirmed dead,
666
00:46:09,346 --> 00:46:13,107
and the US authorities turning
their attention to Maxwell...
667
00:46:15,857 --> 00:46:18,907
...in the UK, the spotlight fell
668
00:46:18,907 --> 00:46:20,907
on one of her old friends.
669
00:46:22,416 --> 00:46:24,546
Ghislaine's always known
Prince Andrew.
670
00:46:24,546 --> 00:46:26,987
But in about 2000-2001,
671
00:46:26,987 --> 00:46:30,827
she suddenly became
Andrew's best friend.
672
00:46:30,827 --> 00:46:33,657
I think they went on holiday
together about eight times.
673
00:46:36,067 --> 00:46:41,466
It had been noted that Prince Andrew
was partying quite a lot.
674
00:46:43,187 --> 00:46:47,216
I was a journalist on the Evening
Standard, and I was told,
675
00:46:47,216 --> 00:46:49,466
"It seems something odd's
going on here.
676
00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:51,497
"Can you have a look into it?"
677
00:46:52,777 --> 00:46:54,546
And the more I looked into it,
678
00:46:54,546 --> 00:46:57,416
the more that Ghislaine Maxwell
was inexorably linked
679
00:46:57,416 --> 00:47:00,827
with all these parties and holidays
that Prince Andrew had gone on.
680
00:47:02,187 --> 00:47:06,827
They formed this very strong,
symbiotic relationship.
681
00:47:08,416 --> 00:47:10,267
My headline was "Andrew's fixer.
682
00:47:10,267 --> 00:47:12,466
"She's the daughter
of Robert Maxwell,
683
00:47:12,466 --> 00:47:14,987
"and she's manipulating his
jet-set lifestyle."
684
00:47:16,827 --> 00:47:18,577
The more I got into it,
685
00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:21,777
the more I realised that Epstein
was always in the background.
686
00:47:24,777 --> 00:47:29,777
In 2000, Epstein was a guest at
Windsor Castle and at Sandringham.
687
00:47:29,777 --> 00:47:32,466
He was brought right into
the heart of the royal family
688
00:47:32,466 --> 00:47:34,416
at your invitation. Yes, but...
689
00:47:34,416 --> 00:47:36,577
...but certainly at my invitation,
690
00:47:36,577 --> 00:47:39,107
not at the royal
family's invitation.
691
00:47:39,107 --> 00:47:43,237
But remember that it was
his girlfriend...
692
00:47:43,237 --> 00:47:45,777
...that was the key element in this.
693
00:47:47,237 --> 00:47:51,627
Prince Andrew, for some reason,
allowed himself to be persuaded
694
00:47:51,627 --> 00:47:54,907
to succumb to a 50-minute interview.
695
00:47:54,907 --> 00:47:59,267
I remember thinking,
"Who has advised him to do this"?
696
00:48:00,747 --> 00:48:03,937
One of Epstein's accusers,
Virginia Roberts... Yeah.
697
00:48:03,937 --> 00:48:06,707
...has made allegations
against you.
698
00:48:06,707 --> 00:48:09,387
She says she met you in 2001.
699
00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:11,346
She says she dined with you,
700
00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:14,187
danced with you at Tramp
nightclub in London.
701
00:48:14,187 --> 00:48:18,216
She went on to have sex with you
in a house in Belgravia
702
00:48:18,216 --> 00:48:22,267
belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell,
your friend. Your response?
703
00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:25,987
I have no recollection
of ever meeting this lady.
704
00:48:25,987 --> 00:48:27,497
None whatsoever.
705
00:48:27,497 --> 00:48:29,497
You've seen the photo.
I've seen the photograph.
706
00:48:29,497 --> 00:48:31,137
How do you explain that?
707
00:48:31,137 --> 00:48:32,346
I can't.
708
00:48:33,707 --> 00:48:35,387
Because I don't โ I have no...
709
00:48:35,387 --> 00:48:39,466
Again, I have absolutely no memory
of that photograph ever being taken.
710
00:48:46,107 --> 00:48:49,466
The photograph is taken in
Ghislaine's Belgravia mews house.
711
00:48:50,937 --> 00:48:54,466
Ghislaine is to one side,
sort of, grinning.
712
00:48:54,466 --> 00:48:57,546
You can see the flash
reflected in the window.
713
00:48:59,497 --> 00:49:02,372
It's almost certain that the
photograph was taken by Epstein.
714
00:49:04,042 --> 00:49:07,812
I'm not entirely convinced that...
715
00:49:07,812 --> 00:49:12,281
I mean, that is what I would
describe as me in that picture,
716
00:49:12,281 --> 00:49:15,372
but I can't...we can't be
certain as to whether or not
717
00:49:15,372 --> 00:49:20,531
that's my hand on her...
whatever it is, left side.
718
00:49:28,042 --> 00:49:29,762
Two weeks later,
719
00:49:29,762 --> 00:49:33,092
Virginia Roberts gave
her account of that evening.
720
00:49:35,042 --> 00:49:37,172
He knows what happened.
721
00:49:37,172 --> 00:49:38,612
I know what happened.
722
00:49:38,612 --> 00:49:40,842
And there's only one of us
telling the truth,
723
00:49:40,842 --> 00:49:42,092
and I know that's me.
724
00:49:49,092 --> 00:49:51,482
That day, we were having tea,
725
00:49:51,482 --> 00:49:54,172
and Andrew was talking about Fergie,
726
00:49:54,172 --> 00:49:56,762
who was his ex-wife at that point.
727
00:49:56,762 --> 00:49:59,531
And Ghislaine's bad-mouthing
Fergie, as well,
728
00:49:59,531 --> 00:50:02,042
and Epstein's just socially awkward.
729
00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:04,892
So, I think he's just
laughing about everything,
730
00:50:04,892 --> 00:50:07,331
and I'm sitting there like
I was always told to do.
731
00:50:07,331 --> 00:50:10,401
"Sit there, don't talk
unless you're talked to".
732
00:50:10,401 --> 00:50:14,732
And Ghislaine tells me that
I have to do for Andrew
733
00:50:14,732 --> 00:50:16,281
what I do for Jeffrey.
734
00:50:17,372 --> 00:50:20,482
And that...made me sick.
735
00:50:25,451 --> 00:50:28,252
There was a bath,
and it started there,
736
00:50:28,252 --> 00:50:31,092
and then, it led in to the bedroom.
737
00:50:31,092 --> 00:50:35,092
And it didn't last very long,
the whole entire procedure.
738
00:50:35,092 --> 00:50:36,732
It was disgusting.
739
00:50:41,042 --> 00:50:46,292
He got up and he said, "Thanks",
and walked out, and...
740
00:50:46,292 --> 00:50:49,922
...| sat there in bed,
just horrified and ashamed,
741
00:50:49,922 --> 00:50:53,222
and felt dirty, and I had to
get up and go and have a shower.
742
00:50:53,222 --> 00:50:54,762
And, you know, the next day,
743
00:50:54,762 --> 00:50:56,892
Ghislaine tells me I did
a really good job.
744
00:50:56,892 --> 00:50:58,972
You know, she pats me on
the back and said,
745
00:50:58,972 --> 00:51:00,451
"You made him really happy".
746
00:51:14,682 --> 00:51:16,762
TEARFULLY: It was a wicked
time in my life.
747
00:51:18,372 --> 00:51:21,372
It was a really scary time
in my life.
748
00:51:34,762 --> 00:51:38,682
NEWSREADER: One of Jeffrey Epstein's
closest confidants has now
749
00:51:38,682 --> 00:51:41,612
been arrested by the FBI
in New Hampshire.
750
00:51:41,612 --> 00:51:45,042
Ghislaine Maxwell has been
charged now with six counts
751
00:51:45,042 --> 00:51:49,922
related to the serial sexual abuse
and sex trafficking of minors.
752
00:51:49,922 --> 00:51:52,932
We've been discreetly keeping
tabs on Maxwell's whereabouts
753
00:51:52,932 --> 00:51:54,612
as we worked this investigation.
754
00:51:54,612 --> 00:51:58,252
And more recently, we learned she'd
slivered away to a gorgeous property
755
00:51:58,252 --> 00:52:01,213
in New Hampshire, continuing to
live a life of privilege,
756
00:52:01,213 --> 00:52:03,645
while her victims live with
the trauma inflicted
757
00:52:03,645 --> 00:52:05,726
upon them years ago.
758
00:52:05,726 --> 00:52:09,166
Today, we announced charges
against Ghislaine Maxwell,
759
00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:13,366
for helping Jeffrey Epstein
sexually exploit and
760
00:52:13,366 --> 00:52:17,106
abuse multiple minor girls.
761
00:52:17,106 --> 00:52:20,626
Maxwell has been taken into
custody early this morning,
762
00:52:20,626 --> 00:52:24,856
and will be presented this afternoon
before a magistrate judge
763
00:52:24,856 --> 00:52:26,576
in the district of New Hampshire.
764
00:52:56,496 --> 00:53:01,026
The jury in Ghislaine Maxwell's
trial has been out for five days...
765
00:53:03,056 --> 00:53:05,136
...and there's still no verdict.
766
00:53:09,946 --> 00:53:11,906
If the verdict isn't guilty,
767
00:53:11,906 --> 00:53:14,415
I think people will be very angry,
768
00:53:14,415 --> 00:53:16,106
but also not surprised.
769
00:53:18,306 --> 00:53:20,386
I wouldn't be surprised
if she walks free.
770
00:53:23,056 --> 00:53:25,186
All right, we're on top
of breaking news,
771
00:53:25,186 --> 00:53:29,106
breaking into regular programming
for WFLX to tell you that
772
00:53:29,106 --> 00:53:32,906
the jury has reached a verdict in
the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
773
00:53:32,906 --> 00:53:35,106
We're not going to answer
any questions...
774
00:53:35,106 --> 00:53:38,496
It's hugely important that
she's found guilty,
775
00:53:38,496 --> 00:53:42,516
because the world is not
a safe place with her in it.
776
00:54:08,496 --> 00:54:11,906
Could we have a few words'
reaction over here?
777
00:54:11,906 --> 00:54:15,215
We firmly believe in
Ghislaine's innocence.
778
00:54:15,215 --> 00:54:18,545
Obviously, we are very disappointed
with the verdict.
779
00:54:18,545 --> 00:54:21,746
We have already started
working on the appeal,
780
00:54:21,746 --> 00:54:24,136
and we are confident that
she will be vindicated.
781
00:54:27,585 --> 00:54:29,545
I've known my sister 60 years.
782
00:54:30,665 --> 00:54:33,946
I choose to believe my sister's
view of these events.
783
00:54:36,386 --> 00:54:40,696
I don't believe
she's capable of the charges
784
00:54:40,696 --> 00:54:42,496
that she's been convicted for.
785
00:54:44,186 --> 00:54:47,776
She has been scapegoated
in a process that was
786
00:54:47,776 --> 00:54:49,826
flawed from the start.
787
00:54:51,306 --> 00:54:53,056
She has not had justice.
788
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,976
It's been a long road.
789
00:54:59,976 --> 00:55:02,266
Longer than it should've been.
790
00:55:02,266 --> 00:55:05,976
There were many people who knew
about this and kept silent.
791
00:55:07,665 --> 00:55:11,696
It could not have existed on
the scale it existed,
792
00:55:11,696 --> 00:55:13,696
for the time it existed,
793
00:55:13,696 --> 00:55:16,576
without the participation
of lots of very rich
794
00:55:16,576 --> 00:55:18,386
and powerful people.
795
00:55:20,106 --> 00:55:22,776
It was about money,
it was about power,
796
00:55:22,776 --> 00:55:23,976
it was about influence.
797
00:55:41,776 --> 00:55:43,415
I never thought it would happen.
798
00:55:45,386 --> 00:55:48,306
These people have got away
with what they've got away with
799
00:55:48,306 --> 00:55:49,496
for many years.
800
00:55:51,136 --> 00:55:55,545
You've got to keep them away, so
that they can't harm other people.
801
00:55:55,545 --> 00:55:57,946
You know, people are
waking up to the truth.
802
00:56:05,826 --> 00:56:09,976
Why didn't you take your
position of power...
803
00:56:09,976 --> 00:56:11,946
...and do something good with it?
804
00:56:17,746 --> 00:56:21,415
You know, why didn't you do
something positive in the world?
805
00:56:23,946 --> 00:56:25,496
What a waste.
806
00:56:36,215 --> 00:56:38,616
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My father
believed that you had to
807
00:56:38,616 --> 00:56:40,186
make your own way in life.
808
00:56:43,776 --> 00:56:48,186
It would be marvellous to be able
to emulate some of the positive
809
00:56:48,186 --> 00:56:51,136
and wonderful things
that he did with his life.
810
00:56:51,136 --> 00:56:52,826
That'd be great.
811
00:56:55,496 --> 00:56:57,746
ROBERT MAXWELL:
All life is a choice.
812
00:57:01,136 --> 00:57:03,866
And if you want to succeed,
813
00:57:03,866 --> 00:57:06,616
then you have got to
commit yourself.
814
00:57:10,026 --> 00:57:11,616
Be single-minded.
815
00:57:13,696 --> 00:57:16,056
Duty is more important than love.
816
00:57:21,226 --> 00:57:23,966
That's also what I'm trying
to teach my children.
817
00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:31,465
The achievement at the end of it
is that I feel that my life,
818
00:57:31,465 --> 00:57:34,335
which I'm continuing to
live to the full,
819
00:57:34,335 --> 00:57:38,026
and will do so until the day I die,
820
00:57:38,026 --> 00:57:43,465
I will have left the world
a slightly better place
821
00:57:43,465 --> 00:57:45,946
by having lived in it,
822
00:57:45,946 --> 00:57:49,796
and have influenced my children
in the right direction.
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