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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,111 --> 00:00:07,051 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting and deals with sexual abuse 2 00:00:16,091 --> 00:00:19,942 I'm sure you've had a lot of people that won't talk to you. 3 00:00:22,862 --> 00:00:25,772 I'm willing to talk, but I can't change the past. 4 00:00:29,972 --> 00:00:33,081 This is humanity. This is life. 5 00:00:33,081 --> 00:00:36,061 This is the way people looked the other way. 6 00:00:39,132 --> 00:00:43,262 I worked for the New York City Police Department for ten years, 7 00:00:43,262 --> 00:00:47,702 and you would think that I would've been more savvy as a retired cop. 8 00:00:47,702 --> 00:00:49,462 Shouldn't I have known better? 9 00:00:49,462 --> 00:00:51,952 Shouldn't I have caught on to something there? 10 00:00:51,952 --> 00:00:54,181 So, I don't have an answer. 11 00:01:03,622 --> 00:01:06,382 They would send a boat that would take me out 12 00:01:06,382 --> 00:01:09,262 to his island to do massage. 13 00:01:11,342 --> 00:01:14,181 And it was a nice gig. 14 00:01:14,181 --> 00:01:16,981 You know, it's quite a place. 15 00:01:19,181 --> 00:01:21,422 It's just dreamy. 16 00:01:22,542 --> 00:01:25,542 It's to die for. Just a beautiful, beautiful place. 17 00:01:30,311 --> 00:01:32,382 Jeffrey was a nice fella. 18 00:01:32,382 --> 00:01:36,981 You know, there was no reason to be suspicious in any way. 19 00:01:39,231 --> 00:01:41,672 There was a woman there that was running around, 20 00:01:41,672 --> 00:01:43,462 taking care of all sorts of details. 21 00:01:45,382 --> 00:01:47,981 Only to find out later that that was Ghislaine. 22 00:01:52,542 --> 00:01:55,201 Anyhow, after one of his massages, 23 00:01:55,201 --> 00:01:57,251 he says, "Could you come in?" 24 00:01:57,251 --> 00:01:59,742 And I went in there, and there was a young lady there. 25 00:02:01,462 --> 00:02:04,542 He asked me to show her how to do massage. 26 00:02:04,542 --> 00:02:11,342 So, I massaged Jeffrey with her, and showed her a stroke or two, 27 00:02:11,342 --> 00:02:14,672 and had her follow up doing the same strokes as me. 28 00:02:17,592 --> 00:02:20,702 Based on everything I've read since that time, 29 00:02:20,702 --> 00:02:23,542 you know, she could've easily been under 16. 30 00:02:29,181 --> 00:02:33,152 But that young lady may have suffered for many years 31 00:02:33,152 --> 00:02:36,342 under the control of Ghislaine and Jeffrey. 32 00:02:39,702 --> 00:02:43,702 And for that young lady, I would like to say, 33 00:02:43,702 --> 00:02:46,342 you know, I'm so sorry... 34 00:02:46,342 --> 00:02:48,342 ...| didn't do anything about it. 35 00:02:51,042 --> 00:02:55,822 I didn't know... or I chose not to know. 36 00:03:13,822 --> 00:03:16,311 SIREN WAILS 37 00:03:16,311 --> 00:03:18,792 The trial of the century. 38 00:03:18,792 --> 00:03:21,512 This is the trial of the century! 39 00:03:30,022 --> 00:03:34,672 This is one of the most eagerly anticipated criminal trials 40 00:03:34,672 --> 00:03:36,422 in recent history. 41 00:03:36,422 --> 00:03:40,622 It's the opening day of case number 20, Cr 330. 42 00:03:40,622 --> 00:03:44,542 The United States of America versus Ghislaine Maxwell. 43 00:03:44,542 --> 00:03:45,902 Ghislaine Maxwell... 44 00:03:45,902 --> 00:03:48,702 SPEAKING IN GERMAN 45 00:03:48,702 --> 00:03:50,592 "Jeffrey Epstein. 46 00:03:54,981 --> 00:03:59,181 Maxwell stands accused of recruiting and trafficking young girls 47 00:03:59,181 --> 00:04:03,262 to be sexually abused by her now-dead partner, Jeffrey Epstein. 48 00:04:05,101 --> 00:04:09,382 It is a vast departure from the luxury in which Ghislaine Maxwell 49 00:04:09,382 --> 00:04:12,412 has spent most of her life. 50 00:04:12,412 --> 00:04:14,872 On one side, the defence team, 51 00:04:14,872 --> 00:04:18,262 reportedly costing Maxwell more than $7 million. 52 00:04:19,592 --> 00:04:23,622 On the other, two lawyers who have spent seven years 53 00:04:23,622 --> 00:04:25,872 preparing their case against her. 54 00:04:25,872 --> 00:04:31,822 This is a trial about a sex-trafficking enterprise, 55 00:04:31,822 --> 00:04:37,742 that destroyed the lives of countless young women and girls. 56 00:04:37,742 --> 00:04:39,702 And I think people are fascinated 57 00:04:39,702 --> 00:04:42,652 as to how they got away with it so long. 58 00:04:44,572 --> 00:04:46,241 A conviction is very important, 59 00:04:46,241 --> 00:04:48,882 because the one key thing you don't want to do is allow 60 00:04:48,882 --> 00:04:51,071 an abuser back out on the streets. 61 00:04:52,241 --> 00:04:55,632 To allow her access to the public again would just 62 00:04:55,632 --> 00:04:57,321 be catastrophic, in my view. 63 00:05:00,392 --> 00:05:04,032 Attending court, Ghislaine Maxwell's family, 64 00:05:04,032 --> 00:05:07,422 including her brothers, Kevin and Ian. 65 00:05:07,422 --> 00:05:10,832 Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of the disgraced billionaire 66 00:05:10,832 --> 00:05:12,712 media tycoon, Robert Maxwell. 67 00:05:14,191 --> 00:05:17,632 The trial is just the latest in a long line of scandals 68 00:05:17,632 --> 00:05:20,602 to hit the Maxwell family, 69 00:05:20,602 --> 00:05:23,782 which began with her father. 70 00:05:23,782 --> 00:05:27,191 My philosophy of life can be stated very simply. 71 00:05:27,191 --> 00:05:30,962 Happiness could only be had in hard work. 72 00:05:32,752 --> 00:05:37,912 In service to your fellow man, and to your country. 73 00:05:37,912 --> 00:05:39,272 74 00:05:40,672 --> 00:05:43,882 The question remains, how did he fall off the boat? 75 00:05:43,882 --> 00:05:46,962 NEWSREADER: The Serious Fraud Office has begun an investigation of 76 00:05:46,962 --> 00:05:48,802 Mirror Group Newspapers. 77 00:05:51,782 --> 00:05:54,832 Robert Maxwell's sons, Kevin and Ian, have denied 78 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:58,882 conspiring to defraud their company's pension scheme. 79 00:05:58,882 --> 00:06:02,061 What do you feel right now, when you're carrying this name? 80 00:06:02,061 --> 00:06:05,782 I'm proud of it. I love my name. 81 00:06:05,782 --> 00:06:07,832 I was born with it, and I'm proud of it, 82 00:06:07,832 --> 00:06:10,802 and I shall remain proud of it forever. It's a great name. 83 00:06:12,712 --> 00:06:15,241 OVER LOUDSPEAKER: What do you know, Ghislaine Maxwell? 84 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:16,962 What do you know? 85 00:06:16,962 --> 00:06:20,191 We want names, we want answers! 86 00:06:20,191 --> 00:06:22,962 You must be held accountable! 87 00:06:22,962 --> 00:06:25,032 We, the people, deserve to know! 88 00:06:52,752 --> 00:06:56,032 My job is I go to parties. 89 00:06:56,032 --> 00:06:59,191 I meet people, and I see what people are doing, 90 00:06:59,191 --> 00:07:02,552 and I see what people don't want me to see. 91 00:07:02,552 --> 00:07:06,162 Because there's always something going on. 92 00:07:06,162 --> 00:07:09,632 I started my career when I was discovered by Andy Warhol 93 00:07:09,632 --> 00:07:13,191 at the tender age of โ€” oh, my God, Andy, don't hate me! 94 00:07:13,191 --> 00:07:15,352 But I was probably 16 or 17. 95 00:07:16,702 --> 00:07:19,422 And you know, I started going to the Warhol clique. 96 00:07:19,422 --> 00:07:21,311 He gave me my first job, 97 00:07:21,311 --> 00:07:25,702 and I started interviewing celebrities for Interview magazine. 98 00:07:25,702 --> 00:07:28,552 And I met everybody. 99 00:07:28,552 --> 00:07:31,632 I would go out night after night, looking for stories. 100 00:07:31,632 --> 00:07:33,832 So, I've done a lot of snooping. 101 00:07:35,392 --> 00:07:38,352 And I found that, if you just listened, 102 00:07:38,352 --> 00:07:41,032 if you just, kind of, like, were quiet, 103 00:07:41,032 --> 00:07:44,912 and people knew you were a storyteller, they found you. 104 00:07:44,912 --> 00:07:46,672 And they just loved to talk! 105 00:07:48,912 --> 00:07:50,472 Back in the '90s, 106 00:07:50,472 --> 00:07:53,912 I was working for Avenue Magazine and Hamptons magazine, 107 00:07:53,912 --> 00:07:56,061 as their society columnist. 108 00:07:58,602 --> 00:08:01,061 So, that's when I first actually met 109 00:08:01,061 --> 00:08:03,882 both Jeffrey and Ghislaine, at parties. 110 00:08:06,352 --> 00:08:09,111 Ghislaine Maxwell, when she was in a room, 111 00:08:09,111 --> 00:08:12,672 you knew she was there, and she wanted you to know she was there. 112 00:08:12,672 --> 00:08:14,472 So she performed. 113 00:08:14,472 --> 00:08:17,311 She was on, she was effervescent, 114 00:08:17,311 --> 00:08:19,632 and I felt that she knew she was being watched, 115 00:08:19,632 --> 00:08:21,752 she wanted to be watched. 116 00:08:21,752 --> 00:08:24,472 But I thought Jeffrey Epstein was another case. 117 00:08:24,472 --> 00:08:26,752 He was a little bit shy. 118 00:08:26,752 --> 00:08:28,991 He didn't really stand out. 119 00:08:28,991 --> 00:08:34,311 And so, Ghislaine fulfilled the idea of being his social director. 120 00:08:34,311 --> 00:08:36,752 It was almost like she was his social secretary. 121 00:08:38,832 --> 00:08:41,882 Her little black book was everything to her. 122 00:08:43,311 --> 00:08:46,342 And she dealt in the commerce of introductions. 123 00:08:47,552 --> 00:08:49,882 She really was a connector. 124 00:08:49,882 --> 00:08:53,702 She had this invisible butterfly net, 125 00:08:53,702 --> 00:08:56,111 and she would go out in the social scene 126 00:08:56,111 --> 00:08:57,472 in London and New York, 127 00:08:57,472 --> 00:09:02,191 and she would whisk her net and capture the beautiful people. 128 00:09:02,191 --> 00:09:06,111 The rich, the famous, the powerful people. 129 00:09:06,111 --> 00:09:09,272 And she had this posh accent. She was well-educated. 130 00:09:09,272 --> 00:09:10,991 She was witty, she was fun! 131 00:09:10,991 --> 00:09:13,522 I mean, everybody talks about how much fun she is, 132 00:09:13,522 --> 00:09:16,991 and she deliberately set out to make friends with important people. 133 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:20,111 And she used her royal Rolodex to do that. 134 00:09:22,392 --> 00:09:25,311 Her big card was Prince Andrew. 135 00:09:25,311 --> 00:09:28,111 That was her main calling card. 136 00:09:28,111 --> 00:09:31,752 Everywhere she went, it's Prince Andrew this, Prince Andrew that. 137 00:09:31,752 --> 00:09:35,272 You know, they say in America that if you put out a lamb chop, 138 00:09:35,272 --> 00:09:37,241 everyone will come. 139 00:09:37,241 --> 00:09:39,991 Well, if you put out Prince Andrew, 140 00:09:39,991 --> 00:09:42,952 it's a rare bird in New York City. 141 00:09:42,952 --> 00:09:46,061 You know, you can see all kinds of wildlife here, but you know, 142 00:09:46,061 --> 00:09:49,111 royalty is somewhat unusual. 143 00:09:49,111 --> 00:09:50,592 So, they all came. 144 00:09:51,912 --> 00:09:55,191 There's no question that Prince Andrew elevated Ghislaine Maxwell 145 00:09:55,191 --> 00:09:56,752 and Jeffrey Epstein. 146 00:09:56,752 --> 00:09:58,832 You know, it just gave her this veneer. 147 00:09:58,832 --> 00:10:02,061 "Oh, she's in the royal court. She's a friend of the Prince." 148 00:10:02,061 --> 00:10:05,782 "She's..." you know, "She has the blessing of the Queen!" 149 00:10:05,782 --> 00:10:09,632 It coated her with a veneer of respectability. 150 00:10:11,162 --> 00:10:13,991 But I don't believe the society people I know โ€” 151 00:10:13,991 --> 00:10:18,522 whose names I can't even speak, cos they'd kill me โ€” knew. 152 00:10:18,522 --> 00:10:20,241 We just didn't know. 153 00:10:21,952 --> 00:10:24,422 People weren't paying attention. 154 00:10:43,592 --> 00:10:45,832 We demand justice! 155 00:10:47,032 --> 00:10:49,952 We demand that justice is served, 156 00:10:49,952 --> 00:10:52,832 and it can start with Ghislaine Maxwell! 157 00:10:53,952 --> 00:10:57,032 The trial of Ghislaine Maxwell is under way. 158 00:10:59,752 --> 00:11:03,752 The prosecution call four women who claim Ghislaine groomed them 159 00:11:03,752 --> 00:11:08,032 for abuse by Epstein when they were all under 18. 160 00:11:08,032 --> 00:11:12,311 We, the people, demand justice! 161 00:11:12,311 --> 00:11:14,111 As well as her family, 162 00:11:14,111 --> 00:11:19,032 the public gallery is filled with journalists and former friends. 163 00:11:19,032 --> 00:11:21,311 So, what do you think will your feelings be like 164 00:11:21,311 --> 00:11:22,672 when you see her today? 165 00:11:22,672 --> 00:11:25,032 Cos, I mean, you were friends back then. 166 00:11:25,032 --> 00:11:29,311 Yeah. We used to be friends, er, now, a long time ago. 167 00:11:29,311 --> 00:11:34,632 It does feel very strange that this vivacious creature I met in New York 168 00:11:34,632 --> 00:11:40,191 in 1989, is now with all of this, you know, hue and cry, and drama, 169 00:11:40,191 --> 00:11:42,342 and global media attention. 170 00:11:46,162 --> 00:11:50,832 When I think back to the girl I met in 1990, 171 00:11:50,832 --> 00:11:55,672 and if you told me this was where her story would end up, 172 00:11:55,672 --> 00:11:57,592 I wouldn't believe you. 173 00:11:59,882 --> 00:12:02,952 Why would someone do this? 174 00:12:02,952 --> 00:12:05,832 You know, why would she hurt other women? 175 00:12:07,592 --> 00:12:11,872 But then, I think you need to go back to 176 00:12:11,872 --> 00:12:13,912 the very beginning of this story. 177 00:12:15,592 --> 00:12:17,832 Robert Maxwell, her father, 178 00:12:17,832 --> 00:12:22,981 was someone who really understood the weaknesses of people 179 00:12:22,981 --> 00:12:26,272 and played on them, and used them. 180 00:12:28,342 --> 00:12:30,672 Life, to him, was war. 181 00:12:30,672 --> 00:12:35,722 And I think, from the moment Robert Maxwell died, 182 00:12:35,722 --> 00:12:37,672 her life became war. 183 00:12:38,702 --> 00:12:40,592 Something twisted in her. 184 00:12:41,912 --> 00:12:43,832 She'd lost her father. 185 00:12:43,832 --> 00:12:46,191 She'd ostensibly lost all her money. 186 00:12:47,672 --> 00:12:51,342 The shame on the family was huge, 187 00:12:51,342 --> 00:12:53,231 and I think she really felt that. 188 00:12:55,032 --> 00:12:58,832 I think she left England because she felt that shame. 189 00:13:00,472 --> 00:13:04,472 And she was trying to rebuild her life in America. 190 00:13:07,802 --> 00:13:11,032 It's almost as if she shed her old skin 191 00:13:11,032 --> 00:13:12,622 and put on a new one. 192 00:13:14,522 --> 00:13:18,272 It was all about being seen in the right place, 193 00:13:18,272 --> 00:13:21,752 with the right house, with the right amount of staff, 194 00:13:21,752 --> 00:13:25,342 flying on private planes, going to private islands. 195 00:13:27,162 --> 00:13:29,311 She had to be seen as powerful. 196 00:13:29,311 --> 00:13:33,802 She had to be seen as someone at the top of the tree. 197 00:13:35,441 --> 00:13:36,802 She had to win. 198 00:13:52,342 --> 00:13:58,162 I remember vividly, it was early one morning. 199 00:13:58,162 --> 00:14:02,472 A young woman with her step-mother came into my office, 200 00:14:02,472 --> 00:14:06,061 and told me what was ultimately 201 00:14:06,061 --> 00:14:10,672 an incredible story about an operation where other young women 202 00:14:10,672 --> 00:14:13,702 were being recruited, as well as her, to be brought over to 203 00:14:13,702 --> 00:14:15,512 this mansion on Palm Beach island. 204 00:14:18,111 --> 00:14:22,311 She told me that there was a wealthy gentleman that lived on the island 205 00:14:22,311 --> 00:14:27,111 that was willing to pay these young girls 55200-300 sometimes, 206 00:14:27,111 --> 00:14:31,111 to go and give explicit sexual massages. 207 00:14:32,702 --> 00:14:37,912 She was 14 years old at the time the incident had occurred to her. 208 00:14:37,912 --> 00:14:41,162 The Palm Beach Police Department gets word of what's occurring, 209 00:14:41,162 --> 00:14:43,952 and, during that investigation, the police found literally 210 00:14:43,952 --> 00:14:46,592 tens of other girls who had been brought to the mansion 211 00:14:46,592 --> 00:14:48,311 and had been sexually abused. 212 00:14:48,311 --> 00:14:50,311 Young, very young girls. 213 00:14:52,872 --> 00:14:55,162 Tell me, from the beginning, how you met this gentleman. 214 00:15:34,082 --> 00:15:36,622 And at that point, we learned that it was a gentleman 215 00:15:36,622 --> 00:15:38,552 by the name of Jeffrey Epstein. 216 00:15:47,262 --> 00:15:50,342 Palm Beach is a very exclusive island. 217 00:15:52,722 --> 00:15:57,032 These are the top 100 wealthiest people, 218 00:15:57,032 --> 00:16:01,152 sometimes in the world, to have winter homes โ€” 219 00:16:01,152 --> 00:16:05,802 and when I say "winter homes", these are huge mansions on a 220 00:16:05,802 --> 00:16:07,902 very exclusive and wealthy island. 221 00:16:12,592 --> 00:16:14,981 And then, there's West Palm Beach, 222 00:16:14,981 --> 00:16:17,981 which is the mainland portion of Palm Beach County. 223 00:16:20,342 --> 00:16:23,952 But the West Palm Beach area, really, as you go from the water 224 00:16:23,952 --> 00:16:27,622 out west, you have much-less-wealthy individuals, 225 00:16:27,622 --> 00:16:29,832 you have people living in trailer homes. 226 00:16:31,832 --> 00:16:36,111 What we found was that most of the young girls came from this area. 227 00:16:37,622 --> 00:16:39,802 A lot of them had troubled youths, 228 00:16:39,802 --> 00:16:41,472 they had troubled backgrounds. 229 00:16:43,832 --> 00:16:47,552 $100โ€”200 US really meant a lot to them. 230 00:16:53,231 --> 00:16:56,672 If a 50-year-old man drives up in a limousine or in a Rolls-Royce 231 00:16:56,672 --> 00:16:59,231 and approaches this 14-year-old girl on the street, and says 232 00:16:59,231 --> 00:17:01,832 "Hey, young girl, get in the car and come back to my home, 233 00:17:01,832 --> 00:17:05,441 "and I'm going to, you know, have you give me a massage." 234 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:07,672 That young girl, even at 14, 235 00:17:07,672 --> 00:17:11,002 her defences are high enough at that point to run away, hopefully. 236 00:17:13,592 --> 00:17:17,981 But when a very sophisticated, attractive older woman, 237 00:17:17,981 --> 00:17:21,032 with a British accent approaches and says, 238 00:17:21,032 --> 00:17:22,592 "Hey, you know, you're beautiful. 239 00:17:22,592 --> 00:17:25,772 "Come back to the house and I know a man who is friendly with 240 00:17:25,772 --> 00:17:27,492 "the owner of Victoria's Secret, 241 00:17:27,492 --> 00:17:29,461 "and you would make a beautiful model. 242 00:17:29,461 --> 00:17:32,331 "And we'd love for you to come back and pose for us." 243 00:17:32,331 --> 00:17:34,612 That 14-year-old girl, all of a sudden, 244 00:17:34,612 --> 00:17:37,461 those defences that would ordinarily be up, are now down. 245 00:17:39,211 --> 00:17:43,251 This is a woman who knew what Epstein was going to do. 246 00:17:47,282 --> 00:17:50,532 She was bringing them into the mouth of the lion. 247 00:17:51,922 --> 00:17:54,742 She knew first-hand the abuse that these young girls 248 00:17:54,742 --> 00:17:56,251 were going to suffer. 249 00:18:13,852 --> 00:18:16,612 I wanted to just, like, be quiet and live my life, 250 00:18:16,612 --> 00:18:18,172 and forget about it all. 251 00:18:19,211 --> 00:18:20,892 But then, I can't forget about it. 252 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:28,461 I'm tired of feeling ashamed, when I didn't actually do anything wrong. 253 00:18:30,461 --> 00:18:33,331 And I know that I'm one of the lucky ones. 254 00:18:33,331 --> 00:18:35,492 I know that other people have had far worse, 255 00:18:35,492 --> 00:18:37,131 and that's who I want to speak for. 256 00:18:37,131 --> 00:18:40,331 I want to speak for the people, you know, who can't talk any more. 257 00:18:45,972 --> 00:18:49,102 I was just a young girl with hopes and dreams, 258 00:18:49,102 --> 00:18:51,461 and I thought I could really make something of my life. 259 00:18:51,461 --> 00:18:53,362 So, I started modelling. 260 00:18:53,362 --> 00:18:56,922 I thought, you know, that I could try. 261 00:18:56,922 --> 00:18:58,892 SHE CHUCKLES 262 00:18:58,892 --> 00:19:02,022 One day, this beautiful American model approached me 263 00:19:02,022 --> 00:19:04,852 and asked me if I was a model. 264 00:19:04,852 --> 00:19:07,331 I told her that I'd just started modelling, and then, 265 00:19:07,331 --> 00:19:09,772 she said her friend, who owned Victoria's Secret, was here, 266 00:19:09,772 --> 00:19:11,532 and did I want to meet him? 267 00:19:11,532 --> 00:19:14,251 Because he could help with my modelling career. 268 00:19:14,251 --> 00:19:17,172 So, I was like, "Oh, my God, like, my dreams are all coming true." 269 00:19:17,172 --> 00:19:18,922 I just couldn't believe it. 270 00:19:18,922 --> 00:19:20,331 What an opportunity. 271 00:19:21,492 --> 00:19:25,201 So, we went to show Jeffrey my portfolio. 272 00:19:27,492 --> 00:19:30,492 I walked in to the hotel room, I sat opposite him, 273 00:19:30,492 --> 00:19:33,131 I gave him my modelling book, and he looked through it, 274 00:19:33,131 --> 00:19:35,451 and he was like "Wow. "You have the most amazing figure 275 00:19:35,451 --> 00:19:37,381 "I've ever seen in my life." 276 00:19:37,381 --> 00:19:39,972 Then he said, "Right, we definitely want to bring you over 277 00:19:39,972 --> 00:19:41,532 "from South Africa to New York." 278 00:19:41,532 --> 00:19:45,251 They said that they'd pay for my ticket and get me a visa. 279 00:19:45,251 --> 00:19:49,201 I thought it was going to be the most amazing opportunity of my life. 280 00:19:49,201 --> 00:19:51,451 But then, his office phoned and said, "Pack your bag. 281 00:19:51,451 --> 00:19:53,251 "We're going to the Caribbean." 282 00:19:53,251 --> 00:19:55,972 I assumed it was for a photoshoot, 283 00:19:55,972 --> 00:19:58,331 so I said immediately, "Yes." 284 00:20:03,612 --> 00:20:07,331 It was the most beautiful place you'd ever seen, ever. 285 00:20:07,331 --> 00:20:11,562 The sea there is absolutely exquisite, the turquoise sea. 286 00:20:11,562 --> 00:20:14,972 When I first arrived there, it was just me. 287 00:20:14,972 --> 00:20:17,642 I was staying in a small chalet by the pool. 288 00:20:18,772 --> 00:20:20,331 On the first day I got there, 289 00:20:20,331 --> 00:20:22,772 I found all these disposable cameras. 290 00:20:22,772 --> 00:20:26,131 So, I took, erm... I kept two of them, or three, 291 00:20:26,131 --> 00:20:28,492 and took a few photos while I was there. 292 00:20:34,972 --> 00:20:38,492 The little chalet I was made to stay in when I first got there, 293 00:20:38,492 --> 00:20:42,532 had this very weird artwork on the wall. 294 00:20:42,532 --> 00:20:44,532 It was a naked girl, 295 00:20:44,532 --> 00:20:47,381 and there was, like, a big walrus trying to... 296 00:20:47,381 --> 00:20:49,742 It looked like the walrus was trying to rape her. 297 00:20:52,201 --> 00:20:54,612 Yeah, it was a very disturbing picture. 298 00:20:54,612 --> 00:20:57,022 I've never seen a picture like that. 299 00:20:58,612 --> 00:21:01,201 He had a lot of weird stuff around his house. 300 00:21:02,972 --> 00:21:06,381 There was just pictures of naked girls everywhere. 301 00:21:06,381 --> 00:21:09,092 And there was a lot of naked pictures of Ghislaine around, too. 302 00:21:11,302 --> 00:21:13,251 Well, when I first met Ghislaine, 303 00:21:13,251 --> 00:21:16,302 I was told that she was Epstein's girlfriend. 304 00:21:16,302 --> 00:21:18,492 The thing is, they never... 305 00:21:18,492 --> 00:21:20,922 I didn't even see them hold hands or kiss once, 306 00:21:20,922 --> 00:21:23,201 or even give each other a hug, to be honest. 307 00:21:23,201 --> 00:21:25,131 I never saw them, like, come that close. 308 00:21:25,131 --> 00:21:28,052 So, it definitely wasn't a romantic relationship. 309 00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:34,213 Jeffrey really liked watching movies. 310 00:21:34,213 --> 00:21:36,704 And the next day, another girl was brought in โ€” 311 00:21:36,704 --> 00:21:39,454 and we were watching a movie, and this other girl was there, 312 00:21:39,454 --> 00:21:42,734 and she started performing a sex act on him while 313 00:21:42,734 --> 00:21:43,963 I was sitting next to him, 314 00:21:43,963 --> 00:21:46,134 and I was absolutely petrified. 315 00:21:46,134 --> 00:21:48,934 Because I was so young and I'd never seen anything like that. 316 00:21:48,934 --> 00:21:51,884 So, I just ran out of the room and I was crying. I was just... 317 00:21:51,884 --> 00:21:53,343 I just didn't know what to do. 318 00:21:54,774 --> 00:21:57,374 There was no hope of getting away. 319 00:21:57,374 --> 00:21:59,494 You know, I was in a foreign country. 320 00:21:59,494 --> 00:22:02,244 I was without any cellphone or money, or means of communication. 321 00:22:03,934 --> 00:22:06,704 I just realised then I was completely trapped. 322 00:22:09,604 --> 00:22:11,654 And there was nothing I could do. 323 00:22:18,163 --> 00:22:20,293 Ghislaine was running the girls, 324 00:22:20,293 --> 00:22:23,343 and she'd also tell us when we had to go to his bedroom. 325 00:22:24,804 --> 00:22:28,093 You couldn't say no. There was just no option. 326 00:22:28,093 --> 00:22:30,413 You didn't want to make them angry. 327 00:22:30,413 --> 00:22:33,413 It would have been very, very scary making them angry. 328 00:22:33,413 --> 00:22:37,093 No-one even tried to stand up against them. Mm-mm. 329 00:22:38,774 --> 00:22:41,654 His bedroom was pitch-dark and ice-cold. 330 00:22:43,654 --> 00:22:46,804 I just checked out of my body and I just let him do what he wanted, 331 00:22:46,804 --> 00:22:49,163 because I didn't know what else to do. 332 00:22:51,343 --> 00:22:53,984 I tried to escape his room in my mind. 333 00:22:55,694 --> 00:22:58,134 I just tried to pretend it wasn't happening. 334 00:23:00,413 --> 00:23:02,804 Things happened there that scared me so deeply 335 00:23:02,804 --> 00:23:04,524 that I can't even talk about them. 336 00:23:07,524 --> 00:23:10,734 He fed off the terror, off the... 337 00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,413 There was something about the energy of a girl being scared 338 00:23:13,413 --> 00:23:14,774 that he liked. 339 00:23:23,574 --> 00:23:25,293 He was taking me back and forth, 340 00:23:25,293 --> 00:23:28,654 I think it was over, like, just under a year-and-a-half. 341 00:23:28,654 --> 00:23:32,134 I was so broken by that point that I just, sort of, went along with it. 342 00:23:33,854 --> 00:23:36,093 I went along with anything, I suppose. 343 00:23:37,804 --> 00:23:41,524 I was being ordered to his bedroom at least three times a day. 344 00:23:41,524 --> 00:23:44,524 And by that point, there were even more girls. 345 00:23:46,884 --> 00:23:49,804 In that time, I saw at least 60 girls coming and going. 346 00:23:49,804 --> 00:23:52,054 At least. 347 00:23:52,054 --> 00:23:54,574 I was 20 when I was taken there. 348 00:23:54,574 --> 00:23:57,343 So, you see, I was lucky, cos I wasn't as young as the other girls. 349 00:24:00,293 --> 00:24:02,293 It was just like a factory. 350 00:24:04,213 --> 00:24:05,574 He was running a machine, 351 00:24:05,574 --> 00:24:07,984 and Ghislaine Maxwell was the one operating it. 352 00:24:09,884 --> 00:24:12,804 You know, people ask why I went back. 353 00:24:12,804 --> 00:24:14,624 No-one disobeyed Epstein. 354 00:24:18,444 --> 00:24:21,083 Before I was sent home, he took me to his office, 355 00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:23,804 and he told me that a woman had accused him of rape, 356 00:24:23,804 --> 00:24:26,083 and he planted drugs in her apartment, 357 00:24:26,083 --> 00:24:27,444 and had her sent to prison. 358 00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:32,394 And then, he said that he had my family's name on a list. 359 00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:35,134 So, I just did as I was told, 360 00:24:35,134 --> 00:24:38,163 because I was petrified of him, because of who he was. 361 00:24:38,163 --> 00:24:41,413 I knew that crossing him would be a very, very bad idea. 362 00:24:54,884 --> 00:24:57,014 I never felt OK again after that. 363 00:24:59,754 --> 00:25:01,433 Everything just fell to pieces. 364 00:25:06,163 --> 00:25:08,163 It's very, very hard to understand. 365 00:25:11,574 --> 00:25:13,774 I'm still trying to piece it all together. 366 00:25:41,054 --> 00:25:44,444 After two weeks of evidence for the prosecution, 367 00:25:44,444 --> 00:25:46,804 it's time for Maxwell's defence. 368 00:25:46,804 --> 00:25:50,134 They will try and cast doubt on some of the stories of the victims. 369 00:25:50,134 --> 00:25:53,644 Ultimately, it does come down to whether you believe the victims, 370 00:25:53,644 --> 00:25:55,904 or whether you believe Ghislaine Maxwell, 371 00:25:55,904 --> 00:25:58,854 who has denied all of the charges against her. 372 00:25:58,854 --> 00:26:01,444 They are expected to try to paint Maxwell as being 373 00:26:01,444 --> 00:26:03,694 something of a victim, herself. 374 00:26:09,083 --> 00:26:11,804 With his sister fighting back in the courtroom, 375 00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:14,724 Kevin Maxwell calls a press conference 376 00:26:14,724 --> 00:26:17,054 and goes on the offensive. 377 00:26:17,054 --> 00:26:22,443 Our sister has been in pre-trial detention for 522 days. 378 00:26:22,443 --> 00:26:25,524 She is in the care of the Department of justice. 379 00:26:27,914 --> 00:26:32,274 You really have to ask yourself, in 2021, what on earth are 380 00:26:32,274 --> 00:26:38,423 they doing shackling a 59-year-old woman in this way every day, 381 00:26:38,423 --> 00:26:42,814 when she represents absolutely no threat to the community? 382 00:26:42,814 --> 00:26:46,343 And so, what we're asking for is for them to live up to 383 00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:50,784 the duty of care they owe an innocent person, who is presumed 384 00:26:50,784 --> 00:26:54,303 innocent until a verdict comes in. 385 00:26:55,454 --> 00:26:58,024 Ultimately, the only people that can help are you guys, 386 00:26:58,024 --> 00:27:00,064 because it's simply unacceptable. 387 00:27:00,064 --> 00:27:02,704 You wouldn't want it to happen to your mother, your sister, 388 00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:05,144 your girlfriend, or any friend of yours. 389 00:27:05,144 --> 00:27:07,144 Enough is enough. This has got to stop. 390 00:27:33,704 --> 00:27:35,814 When you have a hunter, 391 00:27:35,814 --> 00:27:40,173 he's going to go after the weakest in the pack. 392 00:27:40,173 --> 00:27:43,064 And that's exactly what Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell thrived on, 393 00:27:43,064 --> 00:27:44,664 is hunting the weakest... 394 00:27:46,554 --> 00:27:50,303 ...in an effort to discourage them from talking. 395 00:27:51,664 --> 00:27:56,024 They thoroughly dug into the lives of these young girls. 396 00:27:59,173 --> 00:28:02,504 Some of my clients would tell me that they had cars that were 397 00:28:02,504 --> 00:28:05,423 following them down the street to and from school. 398 00:28:05,423 --> 00:28:08,664 They had vehicles that would show up at their house late at night, 399 00:28:08,664 --> 00:28:10,944 and shine lights into their bedroom windows. 400 00:28:13,423 --> 00:28:16,784 They had random phone calls that were being called at their homes. 401 00:28:16,784 --> 00:28:18,944 It was really unbelievable. 402 00:28:20,734 --> 00:28:24,223 So, we reached out to the Palm Beach Police Department, 403 00:28:24,223 --> 00:28:26,984 and that's when things really began to take off. 404 00:28:32,553 --> 00:28:35,784 It is now 2:15pm. 405 00:29:22,814 --> 00:29:27,144 The Palm Beach Police Department, they went in and found that it 406 00:29:27,144 --> 00:29:29,343 was highly likely that Epstein had gotten tipped off 407 00:29:29,343 --> 00:29:30,814 to the investigation. 408 00:29:32,093 --> 00:29:33,664 When they arrived at the home, 409 00:29:33,664 --> 00:29:36,944 there were numerous things that were missing, 410 00:29:36,944 --> 00:29:41,814 like security cameras and hard drives to computers. 411 00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:46,014 But there were certain things that they were able to find and seize, 412 00:29:46,014 --> 00:29:48,624 like phone books and message pads. 413 00:29:50,784 --> 00:29:54,704 Those message pads included numerous different phone calls to young girls 414 00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:56,553 who police knew were underage. 415 00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:01,734 Messages about how Epstein was going to be in town, 416 00:30:01,734 --> 00:30:03,664 when his schedule was, 417 00:30:03,664 --> 00:30:05,644 when they could come over to the house. 418 00:30:07,284 --> 00:30:10,374 Those types of things were hard evidence of what was 419 00:30:10,374 --> 00:30:11,664 going on in the home. 420 00:30:13,664 --> 00:30:17,303 And it was at that time that they finally put together what 421 00:30:17,303 --> 00:30:20,944 they felt was a very solid case to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein, 422 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,014 and then turned that over to the State Attorney in Palm Beach. 423 00:30:39,594 --> 00:30:44,514 There was a certain amount of hope the Feds would be able to expand 424 00:30:44,514 --> 00:30:49,563 this investigation across the country, well beyond Palm Beach, 425 00:30:49,563 --> 00:30:52,634 and even to New York and his private island. 426 00:30:52,634 --> 00:30:56,074 So, there was a great deal of hope that this would end up 427 00:30:56,074 --> 00:30:58,233 with Jeffrey Epstein behind bars 428 00:30:58,233 --> 00:31:00,433 for a very long time, if not forever. 429 00:31:05,634 --> 00:31:08,594 And then, all of a sudden, out of the clear blue, 430 00:31:08,594 --> 00:31:12,594 I get a random call in the middle of the day that Jeffrey Epstein's 431 00:31:12,594 --> 00:31:14,384 going to be at the courthouse, 432 00:31:14,384 --> 00:31:16,074 and he's going to be giving a plea. 433 00:31:17,954 --> 00:31:20,744 No-one had informed me or my clients about this. 434 00:31:20,744 --> 00:31:23,233 No-one had told any of the victims that there was 435 00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:25,914 a potential deal in the works. 436 00:31:25,914 --> 00:31:28,514 It was rather shocking that, at points during the plea, 437 00:31:28,514 --> 00:31:31,764 the lawyers actually went up to the judge and had a private conference, 438 00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:34,794 where no-one could hear what they were talking about. 439 00:31:34,794 --> 00:31:37,824 I mean, there's that sinking feeling, as a lawyer, 440 00:31:37,824 --> 00:31:39,594 that something is going on now 441 00:31:39,594 --> 00:31:42,024 that's being hidden from everyone else. 442 00:31:43,874 --> 00:31:47,914 I've been practising law now for 25-26 years, 443 00:31:47,914 --> 00:31:51,154 I don't think I've ever seen an arraignment like that before. 444 00:32:01,154 --> 00:32:04,874 Under this deal, he was supposed to spend at least a year behind bars 445 00:32:04,874 --> 00:32:07,384 in the county lockup, here in Palm Beach. 446 00:32:07,384 --> 00:32:10,994 But interestingly, we came to learn that his lawyers applied 447 00:32:10,994 --> 00:32:13,664 for release during the day, so that he could go to 448 00:32:13,664 --> 00:32:16,714 an office building and do business. 449 00:32:16,714 --> 00:32:20,874 He would stay the day there. He would get catered lunches, meals. 450 00:32:20,874 --> 00:32:22,464 People would come and visit him. 451 00:32:22,464 --> 00:32:24,183 Young girls would come, other women, 452 00:32:24,183 --> 00:32:25,954 and then, at the end of the day, 453 00:32:25,954 --> 00:32:28,074 he would then drive back to the jail, 454 00:32:28,074 --> 00:32:30,433 where he would then just sleep. 455 00:32:30,433 --> 00:32:34,024 This is a man who was supposed to be behind bars for molesting 456 00:32:34,024 --> 00:32:36,204 and abusing over 40 young girls. 457 00:32:37,794 --> 00:32:40,874 He was essentially spending nights in jail, 458 00:32:40,874 --> 00:32:42,274 and that was about it. 459 00:32:43,634 --> 00:32:48,744 It was incredibly disheartening at the time, 460 00:32:48,744 --> 00:32:53,303 to have to explain to my clients... 461 00:32:53,303 --> 00:32:56,154 ...the extent to which the system let them down. 462 00:33:04,088 --> 00:33:06,449 He's very happy that his jail sentence is over, 463 00:33:06,449 --> 00:33:08,699 and he can begin a new chapter in his life. 464 00:33:25,649 --> 00:33:28,538 In addition to being a society columnist, 465 00:33:28,538 --> 00:33:31,649 it was a natural thing for me to go into public relations, 466 00:33:31,649 --> 00:33:34,088 because I knew exactly what people wanted. 467 00:33:35,729 --> 00:33:38,139 They wanted to be in the columns. 468 00:33:38,139 --> 00:33:40,288 They wanted to be in the papers. 469 00:33:40,288 --> 00:33:43,619 They wanted to be in the glossy magazines. 470 00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:47,579 I knew exactly what they wanted, and I knew how to do it. 471 00:33:47,579 --> 00:33:50,259 And I would do that for people โ€” and I still do. 472 00:33:50,259 --> 00:33:53,009 The problem is, sometimes these people get in trouble. 473 00:33:54,939 --> 00:33:58,899 After the conviction, Jeffrey Epstein calls me. 474 00:33:58,899 --> 00:34:00,899 Oh, my God, my office freaked out! 475 00:34:00,899 --> 00:34:02,899 You know, the girls in my office are like, 476 00:34:02,899 --> 00:34:04,649 "Jeffrey Epstein's on the phone" โ€” 477 00:34:04,649 --> 00:34:07,009 it was, like, embarrassing to even get the call. 478 00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:09,699 So, Jeffrey wanted crisis management, you know, 479 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,859 he wanted advice. 480 00:34:11,859 --> 00:34:16,449 So, you know, I put my tie on and I trotted over to the house, 481 00:34:16,449 --> 00:34:19,088 because I wanted to see the house. 482 00:34:19,088 --> 00:34:23,499 This very grand house, supposedly worth $77 million. 483 00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:28,499 And there's this very grand foyer, 484 00:34:28,499 --> 00:34:31,059 with a big curving staircase. 485 00:34:31,059 --> 00:34:32,779 I did notice, throughout the house, 486 00:34:32,779 --> 00:34:36,218 there were a lot of very heavy velvet drapes. 487 00:34:36,218 --> 00:34:38,979 Like, better to keep out the sunlight. 488 00:34:38,979 --> 00:34:40,499 Then out walks Jeffrey. 489 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:46,088 So, we sat down, he asked me what he should do, 490 00:34:46,088 --> 00:34:48,449 and I had no intention of representing him, 491 00:34:48,449 --> 00:34:49,729 and I never did. 492 00:34:49,729 --> 00:34:52,418 He never paid me, I never took anything. 493 00:34:52,418 --> 00:34:57,139 He said to me, "Couri, what I really don't want to do 494 00:34:57,139 --> 00:35:02,499 "is have 'paedophile billionaire' engraved on my tombstone." 495 00:35:02,499 --> 00:35:04,579 He said, "Every story starts out 496 00:35:04,579 --> 00:35:08,179 "with 'paedophile billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein'." 497 00:35:08,179 --> 00:35:10,729 In some cases, you can't do it. 498 00:35:10,729 --> 00:35:14,779 You simply can't explain, you know, Mr Weinstein, 499 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:17,288 or Ghislaine, or Jeffrey Epstein. 500 00:35:17,288 --> 00:35:22,829 I said, you know, "It starts with really showing contrition... 501 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,179 "..confessing." 502 00:35:25,179 --> 00:35:28,779 I said, "Jeffrey, you know, who better than the highest power 503 00:35:28,779 --> 00:35:33,088 "on Earth โ€” in communication with God. 504 00:35:33,088 --> 00:35:35,699 "Why don't I get you an audience with the Pope?" 505 00:35:37,499 --> 00:35:39,259 But of course you know, 506 00:35:39,259 --> 00:35:41,059 he's already thought of it, years ago. 507 00:35:43,009 --> 00:35:45,579 So, I said, "Why don't you give money? 508 00:35:45,579 --> 00:35:47,649 "There's an arts foundation, 509 00:35:47,649 --> 00:35:52,899 "and people have given away lots and lots of money in order to, 510 00:35:52,899 --> 00:35:56,088 "sort of, whitewash their images." 511 00:35:56,088 --> 00:35:59,179 So, Ghislaine, of course, started her own charity, 512 00:35:59,179 --> 00:36:02,809 potentially or possibly, or maybe to help the oceans, 513 00:36:02,809 --> 00:36:05,649 but what she really was helping was herself. 514 00:36:05,649 --> 00:36:07,979 So, how does it...all look? ls my hair good, do I...? 515 00:36:07,979 --> 00:36:10,729 All good. It's all good. SHE LAUGHS 516 00:36:10,729 --> 00:36:12,139 All right, we're rolling. 517 00:36:12,139 --> 00:36:15,859 Send a really important message to the United Nations that you want 518 00:36:15,859 --> 00:36:18,899 the oceans to be part of the sustainable development goals. 519 00:36:18,899 --> 00:36:21,109 Tell everybody how much you love the ocean, 520 00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:23,179 involve your friends and family, 521 00:36:23,179 --> 00:36:26,649 make a difference, love your planet for generations to come. 522 00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:34,859 But, as Epstein and Maxwell embarked on a charm offensive, 523 00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:37,179 two lawyers were unconvinced. 524 00:36:38,369 --> 00:36:41,699 They were digging behind the public facade, 525 00:36:41,699 --> 00:36:44,779 and were staggered by what they discovered. 526 00:36:44,779 --> 00:36:49,139 The scale of the sex trafficking operation was astronomical. 527 00:36:49,139 --> 00:36:52,139 They were bringing in, you know, up to three different girls 528 00:36:52,139 --> 00:36:54,468 a day, at times. 529 00:36:54,468 --> 00:36:57,100 They did it everywhere they went. 530 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,247 They would do it in New York, Florida. 531 00:37:00,247 --> 00:37:03,167 If they were travelling overseas, they would do it. 532 00:37:03,167 --> 00:37:05,076 It was constant. It never stopped. 533 00:37:06,997 --> 00:37:10,637 They had people recruiting young girls from Eastern Europe, 534 00:37:10,637 --> 00:37:12,637 England and France. 535 00:37:12,637 --> 00:37:14,206 All over the world. 536 00:37:15,687 --> 00:37:21,247 We have two young women we represent, 537 00:37:21,247 --> 00:37:26,127 who were abused by the Epstein sex trafficking. 538 00:37:27,807 --> 00:37:32,047 They were both recruited within the same month. 539 00:37:33,717 --> 00:37:36,047 One was recruited in South Africa... 540 00:37:37,847 --> 00:37:40,326 ...one was recruited in Los Angeles, California. 541 00:37:43,807 --> 00:37:46,047 I was a young adult. 542 00:37:46,047 --> 00:37:47,997 Stars in my eyes. 543 00:37:47,997 --> 00:37:50,687 Ready to take on the world. 544 00:37:50,687 --> 00:37:52,487 High hopes, big dreams. 545 00:37:53,717 --> 00:37:58,446 I am thinking that this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. 546 00:38:01,446 --> 00:38:04,167 I'm being flown out to New York. 547 00:38:06,446 --> 00:38:10,607 I would be met at the airport with a driver, 548 00:38:10,607 --> 00:38:12,687 with my name on a sign. 549 00:38:14,406 --> 00:38:16,967 That was... 550 00:38:16,967 --> 00:38:19,637 I mean, that was thrilling, you know? 551 00:38:21,737 --> 00:38:24,717 I'm to meet Miss Maxwell at her home. 552 00:38:27,687 --> 00:38:31,167 The outside is beautiful, and I knock on the door. 553 00:38:32,607 --> 00:38:36,887 I walk into this big, beautiful room. 554 00:38:36,887 --> 00:38:41,167 I noticed a framed photo on the wall of her 555 00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:46,767 and ex-President Bill Clinton, and I thought, you know, "Wow." 556 00:38:48,607 --> 00:38:52,406 And a few moments later, out she comes. 557 00:38:52,406 --> 00:38:54,917 Ghislaine told me that I was going to go and meet 558 00:38:54,917 --> 00:38:57,167 with her partner, Jeffrey. 559 00:38:57,167 --> 00:38:59,847 She looked right at me and said to me, 560 00:38:59,847 --> 00:39:03,167 "Make sure that you give Jeffrey what he wants. 561 00:39:03,167 --> 00:39:06,406 "Because Jeffrey always gets what he wants." 562 00:39:07,997 --> 00:39:10,607 Ghislaine knew what was going to happen to me. 563 00:39:12,047 --> 00:39:19,326 She set me up to walk myself to a predator's house, 564 00:39:19,326 --> 00:39:21,526 where he assaulted me. 565 00:39:23,446 --> 00:39:27,167 She knew what was going to happen. 566 00:39:30,247 --> 00:39:35,047 You don't facilitate and organise 567 00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:38,607 one of the largest sex-trafficking rings in the world 568 00:39:38,607 --> 00:39:41,607 without intentionally knowing what you're doing, 569 00:39:41,607 --> 00:39:45,637 and without intentionally playing your role. 570 00:39:45,637 --> 00:39:48,807 And not only intentionally, but very masterfully. 571 00:39:48,807 --> 00:39:51,837 She did it very well. 572 00:39:51,837 --> 00:39:56,767 Ghislaine Maxwell changed the entire trajectory of my life. 573 00:39:59,247 --> 00:40:03,526 And years later, I decided that I needed to do something. 574 00:40:04,887 --> 00:40:08,997 I began communicating with the FBI 575 00:40:08,997 --> 00:40:12,767 and with my wonderful lawyer, Sigrid. 576 00:40:30,607 --> 00:40:35,837 Thursday morning, I had plugged my phone in to charge. 577 00:40:35,837 --> 00:40:39,607 And when I did, I had accidentally swiped to 578 00:40:39,607 --> 00:40:43,326 the news headlines that pop up. 579 00:40:43,326 --> 00:40:45,717 And there was his face. 580 00:40:46,767 --> 00:40:49,196 It was Jeffrey. 581 00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:52,247 A wealthy money manager, whose friends have included presidents 582 00:40:52,247 --> 00:40:55,196 and a prince, is behind bars in Manhattan tonight. 583 00:40:55,196 --> 00:40:57,767 Jeffrey Epstein is accused of sex trafficking 584 00:40:57,767 --> 00:40:59,967 and molesting underage girls. 585 00:40:59,967 --> 00:41:04,167 Physically, I'm shaking, and my heart is racing. 586 00:41:04,167 --> 00:41:07,406 The 66-year-old multi-millionaire hedge fund manager, 587 00:41:07,406 --> 00:41:09,326 also a registered sex offender, 588 00:41:09,326 --> 00:41:12,406 is accused of paying underage girls for massages, 589 00:41:12,406 --> 00:41:15,167 and molesting them at his homes in Florida and New York. 590 00:41:16,997 --> 00:41:20,047 I remember that moment very well. 591 00:41:20,047 --> 00:41:23,767 To have him actually arrested was just monumental. 592 00:41:23,767 --> 00:41:26,767 For me and for the women that I represent. 593 00:41:26,767 --> 00:41:29,326 That moment, it felt really powerful. 594 00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:33,997 They're starting to see the light of justice. 595 00:41:39,196 --> 00:41:42,276 Breaking news tonight, the death of convicted sex offender 596 00:41:42,276 --> 00:41:45,637 and part-time Palm Beacher, er, Jeffrey Epstein. 597 00:41:45,637 --> 00:41:48,526 His death has officially been ruled a suicide. 598 00:41:48,526 --> 00:41:51,637 The autopsy report was released late this afternoon by the New York City 599 00:41:51,637 --> 00:41:53,167 Medical Examiner's office. 600 00:41:53,167 --> 00:41:56,837 It says Epstein hanged himself with a bedsheet, 601 00:41:56,837 --> 00:41:58,807 in his Manhattan jail cell. 602 00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:01,807 I wanted to talk about the death of Mr Epstein. 603 00:42:01,807 --> 00:42:05,406 Do you concur with the opinion that it was a suicide? 604 00:42:05,406 --> 00:42:07,807 That was the finding of the coroner, sir. 605 00:42:07,807 --> 00:42:10,997 With a case this high profile... 606 00:42:10,997 --> 00:42:13,837 ...there's got to be either a major malfunction of the system, 607 00:42:13,837 --> 00:42:17,446 or a criminal enterprise at foot to allow this to happen. 608 00:42:17,446 --> 00:42:18,887 Was Mr Epstein on suicide watch? 609 00:42:18,887 --> 00:42:20,196 Yes, he was. 610 00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:23,687 Well, clearly, it didn't work here. 611 00:42:23,687 --> 00:42:26,406 So, we'll await the report, 612 00:42:26,406 --> 00:42:29,807 because all the victims of Mr Epstein have to have 613 00:42:29,807 --> 00:42:33,477 their heart ripped out โ€” they'll still never see justice. 614 00:42:33,477 --> 00:42:34,967 When Jeffrey Epstein died, 615 00:42:34,967 --> 00:42:38,887 that was really traumatic news for the women that I represented. 616 00:42:38,887 --> 00:42:42,276 They had hoped to see him in court, 617 00:42:42,276 --> 00:42:46,247 to see him charged with all the crimes he had committed. 618 00:42:46,247 --> 00:42:49,637 So, I was very angry that that was taken away from them. 619 00:42:49,637 --> 00:42:52,837 You get a whole bunch of women who were raped by this guy. 620 00:42:52,837 --> 00:42:55,917 This is a sex trafficking ring in the United States. 621 00:42:55,917 --> 00:42:58,477 This guy had evidence, he's got co-conspirators, 622 00:42:58,477 --> 00:43:01,047 and there are victims out there who want to know where 623 00:43:01,047 --> 00:43:02,406 the evidence has gone. 624 00:43:02,406 --> 00:43:05,887 We are not allowed to talk to anybody in our institutions 625 00:43:05,887 --> 00:43:08,276 about anything that happened over the Epstein... 626 00:43:08,276 --> 00:43:10,477 With all due respect, you said, I think your quote was, 627 00:43:10,477 --> 00:43:12,247 "We treat every inmate the same." 628 00:43:12,247 --> 00:43:17,017 But not every inmate has equal value for future criminal investigations. 629 00:43:17,017 --> 00:43:19,907 Jeffrey Epstein was still to testify in a case. 630 00:43:19,907 --> 00:43:25,216 That bastard wasn't able to testify against his other co-conspirators. 631 00:43:25,216 --> 00:43:27,546 Even before Jeffrey passed away, 632 00:43:27,546 --> 00:43:30,466 I was very hopeful that the prosecutors would 633 00:43:30,466 --> 00:43:33,827 continue to charge people, 634 00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:36,387 including, of course, Ghislaine Maxwell. 635 00:43:55,296 --> 00:43:57,296 After nearly three weeks, 636 00:43:57,296 --> 00:44:01,387 the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell is drawing to a close. 637 00:44:01,387 --> 00:44:05,137 The defence and prosecution make their closing arguments, 638 00:44:05,137 --> 00:44:09,577 and one of Maxwell's friends is there to witness the final chapter. 639 00:44:11,187 --> 00:44:16,497 One hears about despicable crimes and terrible criminals. 640 00:44:16,497 --> 00:44:19,907 There's an added layer of personal interest 641 00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:22,296 when it's someone that you've known, 642 00:44:22,296 --> 00:44:25,937 and thought you knew, and possibly never really knew. 643 00:44:30,137 --> 00:44:32,827 So, it's strangely compelling. 644 00:44:34,676 --> 00:44:36,827 If she's been horribly misjudged, 645 00:44:36,827 --> 00:44:42,466 and there is some, you know, plausible explanation that 646 00:44:42,466 --> 00:44:46,296 she be found not guilty... 647 00:44:46,296 --> 00:44:51,546 Fascinating to see if that's really possible. 648 00:44:51,546 --> 00:44:53,657 It seems so improbable. 649 00:44:55,187 --> 00:44:58,346 Perhaps the truth will eventually emerge. 650 00:45:04,627 --> 00:45:07,137 Fascinating day in court, 651 00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:10,017 and so completely not what I was expecting. 652 00:45:11,107 --> 00:45:15,216 When I arrived this morning... from everything I'd read, 653 00:45:15,216 --> 00:45:18,187 I was pretty convinced that Ghislaine Maxwell was going away 654 00:45:18,187 --> 00:45:20,067 for a long, long time. 655 00:45:20,067 --> 00:45:22,627 But when the defence spoke, 656 00:45:22,627 --> 00:45:25,627 they did a very good job. 657 00:45:25,627 --> 00:45:28,187 I have to say, I'm really shocked. 658 00:45:28,187 --> 00:45:32,777 It's the last thing I was expecting, to come away... 659 00:45:32,777 --> 00:45:36,577 ...feeling that Ghislaine had some chance 660 00:45:36,577 --> 00:45:38,627 of evading these charges. 661 00:45:40,987 --> 00:45:44,777 Jurors have to decide which version of events to believe. 662 00:45:44,777 --> 00:45:47,907 We don't know how long it's going to take to come back with a verdict, 663 00:45:47,907 --> 00:45:50,107 but we may get one by Christmas, 664 00:45:50,107 --> 00:45:52,857 which is Ghislaine Maxwell's 60th birthday. 665 00:46:05,857 --> 00:46:09,346 With Epstein confirmed dead, 666 00:46:09,346 --> 00:46:13,107 and the US authorities turning their attention to Maxwell... 667 00:46:15,857 --> 00:46:18,907 ...in the UK, the spotlight fell 668 00:46:18,907 --> 00:46:20,907 on one of her old friends. 669 00:46:22,416 --> 00:46:24,546 Ghislaine's always known Prince Andrew. 670 00:46:24,546 --> 00:46:26,987 But in about 2000-2001, 671 00:46:26,987 --> 00:46:30,827 she suddenly became Andrew's best friend. 672 00:46:30,827 --> 00:46:33,657 I think they went on holiday together about eight times. 673 00:46:36,067 --> 00:46:41,466 It had been noted that Prince Andrew was partying quite a lot. 674 00:46:43,187 --> 00:46:47,216 I was a journalist on the Evening Standard, and I was told, 675 00:46:47,216 --> 00:46:49,466 "It seems something odd's going on here. 676 00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:51,497 "Can you have a look into it?" 677 00:46:52,777 --> 00:46:54,546 And the more I looked into it, 678 00:46:54,546 --> 00:46:57,416 the more that Ghislaine Maxwell was inexorably linked 679 00:46:57,416 --> 00:47:00,827 with all these parties and holidays that Prince Andrew had gone on. 680 00:47:02,187 --> 00:47:06,827 They formed this very strong, symbiotic relationship. 681 00:47:08,416 --> 00:47:10,267 My headline was "Andrew's fixer. 682 00:47:10,267 --> 00:47:12,466 "She's the daughter of Robert Maxwell, 683 00:47:12,466 --> 00:47:14,987 "and she's manipulating his jet-set lifestyle." 684 00:47:16,827 --> 00:47:18,577 The more I got into it, 685 00:47:18,577 --> 00:47:21,777 the more I realised that Epstein was always in the background. 686 00:47:24,777 --> 00:47:29,777 In 2000, Epstein was a guest at Windsor Castle and at Sandringham. 687 00:47:29,777 --> 00:47:32,466 He was brought right into the heart of the royal family 688 00:47:32,466 --> 00:47:34,416 at your invitation. Yes, but... 689 00:47:34,416 --> 00:47:36,577 ...but certainly at my invitation, 690 00:47:36,577 --> 00:47:39,107 not at the royal family's invitation. 691 00:47:39,107 --> 00:47:43,237 But remember that it was his girlfriend... 692 00:47:43,237 --> 00:47:45,777 ...that was the key element in this. 693 00:47:47,237 --> 00:47:51,627 Prince Andrew, for some reason, allowed himself to be persuaded 694 00:47:51,627 --> 00:47:54,907 to succumb to a 50-minute interview. 695 00:47:54,907 --> 00:47:59,267 I remember thinking, "Who has advised him to do this"? 696 00:48:00,747 --> 00:48:03,937 One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts... Yeah. 697 00:48:03,937 --> 00:48:06,707 ...has made allegations against you. 698 00:48:06,707 --> 00:48:09,387 She says she met you in 2001. 699 00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:11,346 She says she dined with you, 700 00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:14,187 danced with you at Tramp nightclub in London. 701 00:48:14,187 --> 00:48:18,216 She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia 702 00:48:18,216 --> 00:48:22,267 belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your friend. Your response? 703 00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:25,987 I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady. 704 00:48:25,987 --> 00:48:27,497 None whatsoever. 705 00:48:27,497 --> 00:48:29,497 You've seen the photo. I've seen the photograph. 706 00:48:29,497 --> 00:48:31,137 How do you explain that? 707 00:48:31,137 --> 00:48:32,346 I can't. 708 00:48:33,707 --> 00:48:35,387 Because I don't โ€” I have no... 709 00:48:35,387 --> 00:48:39,466 Again, I have absolutely no memory of that photograph ever being taken. 710 00:48:46,107 --> 00:48:49,466 The photograph is taken in Ghislaine's Belgravia mews house. 711 00:48:50,937 --> 00:48:54,466 Ghislaine is to one side, sort of, grinning. 712 00:48:54,466 --> 00:48:57,546 You can see the flash reflected in the window. 713 00:48:59,497 --> 00:49:02,372 It's almost certain that the photograph was taken by Epstein. 714 00:49:04,042 --> 00:49:07,812 I'm not entirely convinced that... 715 00:49:07,812 --> 00:49:12,281 I mean, that is what I would describe as me in that picture, 716 00:49:12,281 --> 00:49:15,372 but I can't...we can't be certain as to whether or not 717 00:49:15,372 --> 00:49:20,531 that's my hand on her... whatever it is, left side. 718 00:49:28,042 --> 00:49:29,762 Two weeks later, 719 00:49:29,762 --> 00:49:33,092 Virginia Roberts gave her account of that evening. 720 00:49:35,042 --> 00:49:37,172 He knows what happened. 721 00:49:37,172 --> 00:49:38,612 I know what happened. 722 00:49:38,612 --> 00:49:40,842 And there's only one of us telling the truth, 723 00:49:40,842 --> 00:49:42,092 and I know that's me. 724 00:49:49,092 --> 00:49:51,482 That day, we were having tea, 725 00:49:51,482 --> 00:49:54,172 and Andrew was talking about Fergie, 726 00:49:54,172 --> 00:49:56,762 who was his ex-wife at that point. 727 00:49:56,762 --> 00:49:59,531 And Ghislaine's bad-mouthing Fergie, as well, 728 00:49:59,531 --> 00:50:02,042 and Epstein's just socially awkward. 729 00:50:02,042 --> 00:50:04,892 So, I think he's just laughing about everything, 730 00:50:04,892 --> 00:50:07,331 and I'm sitting there like I was always told to do. 731 00:50:07,331 --> 00:50:10,401 "Sit there, don't talk unless you're talked to". 732 00:50:10,401 --> 00:50:14,732 And Ghislaine tells me that I have to do for Andrew 733 00:50:14,732 --> 00:50:16,281 what I do for Jeffrey. 734 00:50:17,372 --> 00:50:20,482 And that...made me sick. 735 00:50:25,451 --> 00:50:28,252 There was a bath, and it started there, 736 00:50:28,252 --> 00:50:31,092 and then, it led in to the bedroom. 737 00:50:31,092 --> 00:50:35,092 And it didn't last very long, the whole entire procedure. 738 00:50:35,092 --> 00:50:36,732 It was disgusting. 739 00:50:41,042 --> 00:50:46,292 He got up and he said, "Thanks", and walked out, and... 740 00:50:46,292 --> 00:50:49,922 ...| sat there in bed, just horrified and ashamed, 741 00:50:49,922 --> 00:50:53,222 and felt dirty, and I had to get up and go and have a shower. 742 00:50:53,222 --> 00:50:54,762 And, you know, the next day, 743 00:50:54,762 --> 00:50:56,892 Ghislaine tells me I did a really good job. 744 00:50:56,892 --> 00:50:58,972 You know, she pats me on the back and said, 745 00:50:58,972 --> 00:51:00,451 "You made him really happy". 746 00:51:14,682 --> 00:51:16,762 TEARFULLY: It was a wicked time in my life. 747 00:51:18,372 --> 00:51:21,372 It was a really scary time in my life. 748 00:51:34,762 --> 00:51:38,682 NEWSREADER: One of Jeffrey Epstein's closest confidants has now 749 00:51:38,682 --> 00:51:41,612 been arrested by the FBI in New Hampshire. 750 00:51:41,612 --> 00:51:45,042 Ghislaine Maxwell has been charged now with six counts 751 00:51:45,042 --> 00:51:49,922 related to the serial sexual abuse and sex trafficking of minors. 752 00:51:49,922 --> 00:51:52,932 We've been discreetly keeping tabs on Maxwell's whereabouts 753 00:51:52,932 --> 00:51:54,612 as we worked this investigation. 754 00:51:54,612 --> 00:51:58,252 And more recently, we learned she'd slivered away to a gorgeous property 755 00:51:58,252 --> 00:52:01,213 in New Hampshire, continuing to live a life of privilege, 756 00:52:01,213 --> 00:52:03,645 while her victims live with the trauma inflicted 757 00:52:03,645 --> 00:52:05,726 upon them years ago. 758 00:52:05,726 --> 00:52:09,166 Today, we announced charges against Ghislaine Maxwell, 759 00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:13,366 for helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually exploit and 760 00:52:13,366 --> 00:52:17,106 abuse multiple minor girls. 761 00:52:17,106 --> 00:52:20,626 Maxwell has been taken into custody early this morning, 762 00:52:20,626 --> 00:52:24,856 and will be presented this afternoon before a magistrate judge 763 00:52:24,856 --> 00:52:26,576 in the district of New Hampshire. 764 00:52:56,496 --> 00:53:01,026 The jury in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial has been out for five days... 765 00:53:03,056 --> 00:53:05,136 ...and there's still no verdict. 766 00:53:09,946 --> 00:53:11,906 If the verdict isn't guilty, 767 00:53:11,906 --> 00:53:14,415 I think people will be very angry, 768 00:53:14,415 --> 00:53:16,106 but also not surprised. 769 00:53:18,306 --> 00:53:20,386 I wouldn't be surprised if she walks free. 770 00:53:23,056 --> 00:53:25,186 All right, we're on top of breaking news, 771 00:53:25,186 --> 00:53:29,106 breaking into regular programming for WFLX to tell you that 772 00:53:29,106 --> 00:53:32,906 the jury has reached a verdict in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 773 00:53:32,906 --> 00:53:35,106 We're not going to answer any questions... 774 00:53:35,106 --> 00:53:38,496 It's hugely important that she's found guilty, 775 00:53:38,496 --> 00:53:42,516 because the world is not a safe place with her in it. 776 00:54:08,496 --> 00:54:11,906 Could we have a few words' reaction over here? 777 00:54:11,906 --> 00:54:15,215 We firmly believe in Ghislaine's innocence. 778 00:54:15,215 --> 00:54:18,545 Obviously, we are very disappointed with the verdict. 779 00:54:18,545 --> 00:54:21,746 We have already started working on the appeal, 780 00:54:21,746 --> 00:54:24,136 and we are confident that she will be vindicated. 781 00:54:27,585 --> 00:54:29,545 I've known my sister 60 years. 782 00:54:30,665 --> 00:54:33,946 I choose to believe my sister's view of these events. 783 00:54:36,386 --> 00:54:40,696 I don't believe she's capable of the charges 784 00:54:40,696 --> 00:54:42,496 that she's been convicted for. 785 00:54:44,186 --> 00:54:47,776 She has been scapegoated in a process that was 786 00:54:47,776 --> 00:54:49,826 flawed from the start. 787 00:54:51,306 --> 00:54:53,056 She has not had justice. 788 00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,976 It's been a long road. 789 00:54:59,976 --> 00:55:02,266 Longer than it should've been. 790 00:55:02,266 --> 00:55:05,976 There were many people who knew about this and kept silent. 791 00:55:07,665 --> 00:55:11,696 It could not have existed on the scale it existed, 792 00:55:11,696 --> 00:55:13,696 for the time it existed, 793 00:55:13,696 --> 00:55:16,576 without the participation of lots of very rich 794 00:55:16,576 --> 00:55:18,386 and powerful people. 795 00:55:20,106 --> 00:55:22,776 It was about money, it was about power, 796 00:55:22,776 --> 00:55:23,976 it was about influence. 797 00:55:41,776 --> 00:55:43,415 I never thought it would happen. 798 00:55:45,386 --> 00:55:48,306 These people have got away with what they've got away with 799 00:55:48,306 --> 00:55:49,496 for many years. 800 00:55:51,136 --> 00:55:55,545 You've got to keep them away, so that they can't harm other people. 801 00:55:55,545 --> 00:55:57,946 You know, people are waking up to the truth. 802 00:56:05,826 --> 00:56:09,976 Why didn't you take your position of power... 803 00:56:09,976 --> 00:56:11,946 ...and do something good with it? 804 00:56:17,746 --> 00:56:21,415 You know, why didn't you do something positive in the world? 805 00:56:23,946 --> 00:56:25,496 What a waste. 806 00:56:36,215 --> 00:56:38,616 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My father believed that you had to 807 00:56:38,616 --> 00:56:40,186 make your own way in life. 808 00:56:43,776 --> 00:56:48,186 It would be marvellous to be able to emulate some of the positive 809 00:56:48,186 --> 00:56:51,136 and wonderful things that he did with his life. 810 00:56:51,136 --> 00:56:52,826 That'd be great. 811 00:56:55,496 --> 00:56:57,746 ROBERT MAXWELL: All life is a choice. 812 00:57:01,136 --> 00:57:03,866 And if you want to succeed, 813 00:57:03,866 --> 00:57:06,616 then you have got to commit yourself. 814 00:57:10,026 --> 00:57:11,616 Be single-minded. 815 00:57:13,696 --> 00:57:16,056 Duty is more important than love. 816 00:57:21,226 --> 00:57:23,966 That's also what I'm trying to teach my children. 817 00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:31,465 The achievement at the end of it is that I feel that my life, 818 00:57:31,465 --> 00:57:34,335 which I'm continuing to live to the full, 819 00:57:34,335 --> 00:57:38,026 and will do so until the day I die, 820 00:57:38,026 --> 00:57:43,465 I will have left the world a slightly better place 821 00:57:43,465 --> 00:57:45,946 by having lived in it, 822 00:57:45,946 --> 00:57:49,796 and have influenced my children in the right direction. 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