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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:06,540 - He was active all over the country. 2 00:00:06,574 --> 00:00:08,276 He had some scams going in St. Louis. 3 00:00:08,309 --> 00:00:10,278 He went to New York several times, 4 00:00:10,311 --> 00:00:12,713 I found at least 60 lawsuits, in Chicago alone 5 00:00:12,746 --> 00:00:15,549 that this guy ended up in. 6 00:00:15,583 --> 00:00:18,652 - We have evidence of Ripper-style killings 7 00:00:18,686 --> 00:00:22,123 in Chicago. 8 00:00:22,156 --> 00:00:25,526 We're discovering that there were many different ways 9 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:28,662 Holmes could have murdered and disposed of the bodies. 10 00:00:28,696 --> 00:00:31,099 - [Man I have a theory that Holmes was encasing bodies 11 00:00:31,132 --> 00:00:34,435 in cement, and dumping them in the Chicago River. 12 00:00:34,468 --> 00:00:37,505 - There may actually be viable physical evidence 13 00:00:37,538 --> 00:00:39,540 inside those blocks of cement. 14 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:42,343 This is a really large debris field, 15 00:00:42,376 --> 00:00:46,247 right next to the physical property owned by Holmes. 16 00:00:48,682 --> 00:00:50,684 - [Chuck] We're approaching your area of interest. 17 00:00:50,718 --> 00:00:54,188 - Let's see if we can't find some concrete. 18 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:01,262 (upbeat music) 19 00:01:04,865 --> 00:01:08,769 - Skeer-tay, skeer-tay, skeer-tay, to-pon U.S. 25743. 20 00:01:08,802 --> 00:01:11,472 We're gonna be doing some bottom soundings. 21 00:01:11,505 --> 00:01:13,407 - [Amaryllis] We'll take the ship in a kind of grid pattern? 22 00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:14,675 - Correct. 23 00:01:14,708 --> 00:01:16,410 We'll run it along parallel to the shore, 24 00:01:16,444 --> 00:01:17,678 make several passes. 25 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:19,280 - I see. 26 00:01:19,313 --> 00:01:20,881 - [Narrator] Jeff Mudgett and ex-CIA operative, 27 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:24,185 Amaryllis Fox, are scanning the bottom of the Chicago River 28 00:01:24,218 --> 00:01:28,489 for gruesome evidence in a 130-year-old mystery. 29 00:01:28,522 --> 00:01:30,624 Body parts, encased in concrete 30 00:01:30,658 --> 00:01:34,828 by the infamous serial killer, H. H. Holmes. 31 00:01:34,862 --> 00:01:36,530 - The interesting part for me is gonna be 32 00:01:36,564 --> 00:01:40,268 if he did use that technique to get rid of the bodies 33 00:01:40,301 --> 00:01:42,303 is what kind of sized blocks we're looking at. 34 00:01:42,336 --> 00:01:43,137 - Exactly. 35 00:01:44,505 --> 00:01:46,307 - These could be human-sized cement coffins, 36 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:48,176 or they could be smaller chunks of concrete 37 00:01:48,209 --> 00:01:50,811 that contain body parts. 38 00:01:50,844 --> 00:01:52,780 We analyzed the Jack the Ripper autopsy reports earlier 39 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:55,383 in our investigation, and they led us to some new insights 40 00:01:55,416 --> 00:01:59,287 about the Ripper's murder weapon and method of killing. 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,654 But because Holmes was so consistent 42 00:02:00,688 --> 00:02:02,790 in getting rid of the bodies of his victims, 43 00:02:02,823 --> 00:02:05,626 there are no autopsy reports from any of his murders. 44 00:02:05,659 --> 00:02:07,561 So, in order to have physical evidence 45 00:02:07,595 --> 00:02:10,164 to compare Holmes' kills with Jack the Ripper, 46 00:02:10,198 --> 00:02:11,799 we need to find a body. 47 00:02:11,832 --> 00:02:13,434 - [Narrator] By 1893, 48 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:16,404 Holmes' murder castle is fully operational, 49 00:02:16,437 --> 00:02:20,341 engineered with three stories of rooms designed to kill. 50 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:24,712 But con man Holmes owns other Chicago properties, 51 00:02:24,745 --> 00:02:27,381 including a suspicious cement warehouse on the banks 52 00:02:27,415 --> 00:02:30,218 of the river, that buys in raw materials, 53 00:02:30,251 --> 00:02:33,221 but never sells any finished concrete. 54 00:02:34,355 --> 00:02:36,190 Evidence revealed in the investigation, 55 00:02:36,224 --> 00:02:38,859 suggests that Holmes may have used the cement warehouse 56 00:02:38,892 --> 00:02:41,495 as a front for disposing of bodies, 57 00:02:41,529 --> 00:02:45,433 in order to pull off a large-scale killing operation. 58 00:02:47,701 --> 00:02:49,437 - [Jeff] Now what does this machine give us a look at? 59 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:50,871 - Basically what it is, it's a picture, 60 00:02:50,904 --> 00:02:53,841 and you're shining a flashlight over the bottom here. 61 00:02:53,874 --> 00:02:55,443 Where we're seeing little bright spots, 62 00:02:55,476 --> 00:02:58,612 it's hitting a nice solid object, bouncing back, 63 00:02:58,646 --> 00:03:00,348 and then there's a shadow behind it, 64 00:03:00,381 --> 00:03:02,316 and that's how we can kinda see that an object is sticking 65 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:03,717 up above the bottom. 66 00:03:03,751 --> 00:03:04,718 - And that would let us know if there is something 67 00:03:04,752 --> 00:03:06,654 that we could actually pull up and crack open 68 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:07,888 and take a look at? 69 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:09,623 - [Chuck] Yes. 70 00:03:09,657 --> 00:03:11,225 - [Narrator] An initial scan of the river bed revealed 71 00:03:11,259 --> 00:03:13,527 a cluster of heavy objects were dumped just feet 72 00:03:13,561 --> 00:03:17,631 from the footprint of Holmes' old warehouse some time ago. 73 00:03:17,665 --> 00:03:19,267 But before divers can investigate 74 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:20,668 and retrieve evidence, 75 00:03:20,701 --> 00:03:22,870 city officials require a record of exact coordinates 76 00:03:22,903 --> 00:03:23,971 and dimensions. 77 00:03:26,574 --> 00:03:27,741 - [Chuck] Speed is good. 78 00:03:27,775 --> 00:03:28,642 A little tighter. 79 00:03:28,676 --> 00:03:30,411 A little tighter if you can. 80 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:32,346 - Are we in the area where we saw the debris field 81 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:34,815 with the submersible robot? 82 00:03:34,848 --> 00:03:37,651 - [Chuck] Yes, this is the area. 83 00:03:37,685 --> 00:03:41,889 - [Jeff] Hey, Chuck, what's the hard black object there? 84 00:03:41,922 --> 00:03:44,692 - That's an interesting target. 85 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:47,261 That is a shadow of a target that's sticking out, 86 00:03:47,295 --> 00:03:49,430 - Wow, that's a big divot. 87 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:50,464 - [Chuck] Yes. 88 00:03:50,498 --> 00:03:51,899 - [Jeff] Now, how big was that? 89 00:03:51,932 --> 00:03:54,702 - Probably a couple of meters, and it is fairly square. 90 00:03:54,735 --> 00:03:55,703 - [Amaryllis] That sounds like something I wanna get 91 00:03:55,736 --> 00:03:56,970 out of the river. 92 00:03:57,004 --> 00:03:58,839 - You've got quite a few targets along here. 93 00:03:58,872 --> 00:04:00,574 - Oh, yeah? - Yeah. 94 00:04:00,608 --> 00:04:01,609 - [Jeff] These ones are about a meter? 95 00:04:01,642 --> 00:04:02,543 - Wow! 96 00:04:02,576 --> 00:04:03,877 - We have multiple targets, 97 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:07,047 10 to almost approximately 20 feet off that wall. 98 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,417 - That's exactly what we saw with the submersible robot. 99 00:04:09,450 --> 00:04:11,785 So this is the sonar confirmation 100 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:14,288 of that same debris field. 101 00:04:14,322 --> 00:04:15,789 - Correct. 102 00:04:15,823 --> 00:04:17,691 - [Jeff] Oh boy. - [Amaryllis] Whoa. 103 00:04:17,725 --> 00:04:20,661 Well I think we know where we need to look. 104 00:04:25,032 --> 00:04:28,569 - Coming up with that image in relationship 105 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:30,938 to the Holmes' storage facilities, 106 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:34,508 I think we've made a major discovery. 107 00:04:34,542 --> 00:04:36,510 - I mean, it's pretty striking to have a big debris field 108 00:04:36,544 --> 00:04:38,646 right on the river bed outside 109 00:04:38,679 --> 00:04:42,550 of our primary suspect's cement factory, when he's a doctor, 110 00:04:42,583 --> 00:04:45,486 and has no reason to have a cement factory. 111 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,021 - Yeah, we've had some interesting targets. 112 00:04:48,055 --> 00:04:50,057 Had some scattered debris, and then we do have 113 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:52,025 what looks like a rectangular shape. 114 00:04:52,059 --> 00:04:53,561 - [Amaryllis] How big is that? 115 00:04:53,594 --> 00:04:55,996 - That is a little over like a meter and a half. 116 00:04:56,029 --> 00:04:57,498 - [Jeff] Five, six feet? 117 00:04:57,531 --> 00:04:58,899 - [Chuck] Yeah, about five or six feet. 118 00:04:58,932 --> 00:05:00,601 - The dimensions and the shape, 119 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:02,570 what else does that look like? 120 00:05:02,603 --> 00:05:04,938 - A big, giant concrete coffin under the silt. 121 00:05:04,972 --> 00:05:07,541 - [Jeff] Yeah, absolutely. 122 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:09,977 - And now we know exactly where it is, gridded out, 123 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:13,414 and fairly close to the wall, given the image here, right? 124 00:05:13,447 --> 00:05:15,583 So, we'd be looking somewhere in there? 125 00:05:15,616 --> 00:05:17,084 - [Chuck] Yes. 126 00:05:17,117 --> 00:05:19,019 - So can we get a diver in the water and get it out? 127 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:22,423 - That, unfortunately, will take some time. 128 00:05:22,456 --> 00:05:24,892 It's not as easy as getting the diver. 129 00:05:24,925 --> 00:05:26,894 There's all kind of regulations and paperwork 130 00:05:26,927 --> 00:05:30,798 to go into this area and actually extract something. 131 00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:32,633 It's a very industrialized site 132 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:34,768 and there's lots of contamination, 133 00:05:34,802 --> 00:05:37,905 lots of potential hazards in the water there, 134 00:05:37,938 --> 00:05:40,941 and so, for everyone's safety, 135 00:05:40,974 --> 00:05:42,810 the EPA would like more understanding 136 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:44,011 of what you want to do. 137 00:05:44,044 --> 00:05:45,646 - Oh, damn. 138 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:47,815 - I can't walk away from that image now, I can't. 139 00:05:47,848 --> 00:05:49,082 - We should get that permission on file 140 00:05:49,116 --> 00:05:51,385 and then we'll circle back. 141 00:05:57,057 --> 00:05:58,091 - [Jeff] After so much work 142 00:05:58,125 --> 00:05:59,527 that's gone into this investigation, 143 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,962 it's tough to just wait. 144 00:06:01,995 --> 00:06:03,464 - Yeah. 145 00:06:03,497 --> 00:06:04,832 - We've got a crime scene full of evidence 146 00:06:04,865 --> 00:06:06,900 and we can't get to it. 147 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:09,169 - Yeah, it's frustrating but I've gotta say 148 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:10,871 it's really encouraging to see 149 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:13,474 these modern forensic techniques and the technology 150 00:06:13,507 --> 00:06:15,709 that we're using open up new leads 151 00:06:15,743 --> 00:06:19,079 that just weren't available to investigators at the time. 152 00:06:19,112 --> 00:06:21,114 - So what's next? 153 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:23,951 - I mean, I think we should pick up Holmes' footsteps 154 00:06:23,984 --> 00:06:26,820 after the World's Fair and see what he did next. 155 00:06:26,854 --> 00:06:29,490 There have got to be more crime scenes out there, 156 00:06:29,523 --> 00:06:32,893 and physical evidence that could connect the two killers. 157 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:35,062 We should meet up with Adam. 158 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:41,969 - So the tail-end of 1893 was not so good for Holmes. 159 00:06:42,002 --> 00:06:43,737 There were at least 60 lawsuits against him, 160 00:06:43,771 --> 00:06:46,807 and a collection agency had organized them all together 161 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:48,876 and they were planning to arrest him. 162 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:52,846 - [Narrator] Chicago's big event of 1893, the World's Fair, 163 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,015 closes at the end of October. 164 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:57,718 By November, the city returns to normal. 165 00:06:57,751 --> 00:07:00,454 For Holmes, that means swindling. 166 00:07:01,789 --> 00:07:03,857 Over the eight years he spends in the city, 167 00:07:03,891 --> 00:07:05,993 he pulls off countless financial scams 168 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:07,861 and takes on a fraudulent marriage, 169 00:07:07,895 --> 00:07:11,098 as well as a slew of mistresses. 170 00:07:11,131 --> 00:07:12,900 - And it gets worse. 171 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:15,969 He had taken out several insurance policies 172 00:07:16,003 --> 00:07:19,139 and then he set fire to the third floor. 173 00:07:19,172 --> 00:07:21,975 - [Amaryllis] Wait, he set fire to his murder castle? 174 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:24,011 - Yep, and he immediately tried to claim 175 00:07:24,044 --> 00:07:26,013 all the insurance policies. 176 00:07:26,046 --> 00:07:27,948 The police, they saw right through it, 177 00:07:27,981 --> 00:07:29,149 and for the first time, 178 00:07:29,182 --> 00:07:30,818 he knows they're going to hunt him down. 179 00:07:30,851 --> 00:07:32,586 - It sounds like he's got all these creditors 180 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:35,723 about to stage an intervention and arrest him essentially, 181 00:07:35,756 --> 00:07:38,659 and four insurance companies, all of whom wanna arrest him 182 00:07:38,692 --> 00:07:40,227 on insurance fraud. - Uh-huh. 183 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:41,562 - [Amaryllis] Wowl, 184 00:07:41,595 --> 00:07:43,497 so Holmes is feeling the pressure hard. 185 00:07:43,531 --> 00:07:44,732 - So he thought by getting out of town 186 00:07:44,765 --> 00:07:46,900 he could let a lot of the heat off. 187 00:07:46,934 --> 00:07:49,169 - We've seen Holmes flee town before, 188 00:07:49,202 --> 00:07:51,071 in the summer of 1888, when he was named 189 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:53,140 in a string of lawsuits related to the construction 190 00:07:53,173 --> 00:07:55,275 of the murder castle. 191 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:58,211 It's in this period that we lost Holmes' paper trail, 192 00:07:58,245 --> 00:08:00,681 and couldn't definitively place him back in Chicago 193 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:03,584 until the spring of 1889, shortly after the end 194 00:08:03,617 --> 00:08:06,286 of the Whitechapel killings in London. 195 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,255 So by leaving town after the World's Fair, 196 00:08:08,288 --> 00:08:09,857 Holmes seems to be repeating a pattern 197 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:12,125 of scamming until things get hot, 198 00:08:12,159 --> 00:08:15,663 and then leaving town to avoid his creditors. 199 00:08:15,696 --> 00:08:17,264 - [Jeff] So once his scams started to unravel, 200 00:08:17,297 --> 00:08:18,566 that's when he hits the road? 201 00:08:18,599 --> 00:08:20,100 - Mm-hmm. 202 00:08:20,133 --> 00:08:22,235 But naturally, he had an escape plan. 203 00:08:22,269 --> 00:08:23,771 - Of course he did. 204 00:08:23,804 --> 00:08:25,305 - Alright, so now he's hired a new young lady, 205 00:08:25,338 --> 00:08:28,809 Minnie Williams, who has come up from Tas, 206 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:32,012 and immediately fell into the clutches of H. H. Holmes. 207 00:08:32,045 --> 00:08:33,814 - [Narrator] The daughter of an affluent family, 208 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:36,550 Minnie Williams is the perfect mark. 209 00:08:36,584 --> 00:08:39,219 Together, she and her sister own a large plot of land 210 00:08:39,252 --> 00:08:42,289 in Fort Worth, Texas, which Holmes will later use 211 00:08:42,322 --> 00:08:44,992 as a centerpiece of his plan to skip town 212 00:08:45,025 --> 00:08:47,060 and escape his creditors. 213 00:08:48,295 --> 00:08:51,331 - Holmes drew up a fake deed transferring her property 214 00:08:51,364 --> 00:08:53,934 in Fort Worth over to him. 215 00:08:53,967 --> 00:08:56,069 But in order to make it work, 216 00:08:56,103 --> 00:08:58,672 (screaming) 217 00:08:58,706 --> 00:09:02,109 he had to get rid of both her and her sister. 218 00:09:05,345 --> 00:09:09,216 - So this is Holmes' escape plan from Chicago? 219 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:11,151 - [Adam] Right, and when he eventually did show up 220 00:09:11,184 --> 00:09:12,986 in Fort Worth, he had a deed saying 221 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,022 I'm now the owner of this property purchased 222 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:16,724 from Minnie Williams. 223 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:20,728 - So what did he do once he got to Texas? 224 00:09:20,761 --> 00:09:21,662 - Well, a week before, 225 00:09:21,695 --> 00:09:24,131 they had sent a Benjamin Pitezel ahead. 226 00:09:24,164 --> 00:09:26,066 Pitezel had been working with Holmes in various swindles 227 00:09:26,099 --> 00:09:28,902 for at least a year by then in Chicago. 228 00:09:28,936 --> 00:09:31,672 - Given what we know about Holmes' gruesome acts, 229 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:33,841 it's hard to believe anyone would've been willing 230 00:09:33,874 --> 00:09:37,277 to help him, but he actually had several known accomplices 231 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:39,212 during his time in Chicago. 232 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:42,282 His closest known associate was Benjamin Pitezel, 233 00:09:42,315 --> 00:09:44,384 a husband and father from Chicago, 234 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:47,087 who clearly had little trouble cleaning up after a madman, 235 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,356 for the right price. 236 00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:52,059 - So Pitezel was sent ahead as the advance man to Fort Worth 237 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,894 to take care of all the paperwork, 238 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:55,629 so by the time that Holmes got there, 239 00:09:55,663 --> 00:09:57,030 they were ready to start building. 240 00:09:57,064 --> 00:09:59,132 - [Amaryllis] Start building what? 241 00:09:59,166 --> 00:10:00,801 - His second castle. 242 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,376 's it, 243 00:10:09,409 --> 00:10:12,746 you know, the heat is on here, I have to get out of here. 244 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:14,347 He was done with Chicago. 245 00:10:14,381 --> 00:10:17,017 - [Narrator] In the final months of 1893, 246 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:20,754 H. H. Holmes successfully dodges his creditors in Chicago 247 00:10:20,788 --> 00:10:24,391 and sets the wheels in motion for his next con. 248 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:26,927 In Fort Worth, Texas, with the help of his accomplice, 249 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,062 Benjamin Pitezel, he draws up plans 250 00:10:29,096 --> 00:10:31,398 to franchise the murder castle. 251 00:10:33,901 --> 00:10:36,036 - [John] So this is the exterior of the building. 252 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,871 - Oh, it's literally identical. 253 00:10:37,905 --> 00:10:40,007 That could be a drawing of the building at 63rd 254 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,242 and Wallace in Chicago. 255 00:10:42,275 --> 00:10:43,777 - [Narrator] Hunting for physical evidence 256 00:10:43,811 --> 00:10:46,747 that could tie H. H. Holmes to Jack the Ripper, 257 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:49,883 Jeff and Amaryllis meet with documentarian John Borowski 258 00:10:49,917 --> 00:10:54,087 to learn more about Holmes' second murder castle. 259 00:10:54,121 --> 00:10:56,356 - You can see the man, designing and building this, 260 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:59,860 knowing that what he had in Chicago was perfect. 261 00:10:59,893 --> 00:11:03,230 - Definitely, if you look at the inside of this building, 262 00:11:03,263 --> 00:11:05,132 what's so interesting is it looks like the layout 263 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:06,900 of his castle as well. 264 00:11:06,934 --> 00:11:08,301 Look at all these rooms and if you look here, 265 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:09,770 that's where the chute would be, 266 00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:11,939 just like the other building. 267 00:11:11,972 --> 00:11:14,141 The interesting thing about the one in Texas was, 268 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:17,244 he had designed it so that the bodies would be thrown 269 00:11:17,277 --> 00:11:19,246 directly down into the sewer. 270 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:21,081 Easier body disposal. 271 00:11:21,114 --> 00:11:23,350 - [Amaryllis] That's fascinating. 272 00:11:23,383 --> 00:11:26,186 What's interesting to me, given what we saw in Whitechapel, 273 00:11:26,219 --> 00:11:30,390 is, if this is the same person, you have an adolescence, 274 00:11:30,423 --> 00:11:34,361 killing in open air, 275 00:11:34,394 --> 00:11:37,230 with interruptions from the police. 276 00:11:37,264 --> 00:11:39,833 If that sparks the idea, okay, well a hotel 277 00:11:39,867 --> 00:11:41,802 or a boarding house is a good place to be able 278 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:44,437 to lure young women, work uninterrupted, 279 00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:46,306 and dispose of the body. 280 00:11:46,339 --> 00:11:49,977 The Chicago hotel really represents the first attempt 281 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:53,413 at that but Holmes sees room for improvement still, 282 00:11:53,446 --> 00:11:57,050 so he adds one additional tweak and reproduces it in Texas. 283 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:57,951 It's really pretty extraordinary. 284 00:11:57,985 --> 00:12:00,754 - And making it so there's no evidence 285 00:12:00,788 --> 00:12:03,256 like Mary Kelly's body left behind to photograph. 286 00:12:03,290 --> 00:12:05,525 - [Amaryllis] Straight into sewer. 287 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:07,360 - So, what happened in Texas, John? 288 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,797 - So here's Holmes in Texas with his new wife, 289 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:11,198 and Benjamin Pitezel-- 290 00:12:11,231 --> 00:12:13,166 - [Amaryllis] Wait, a third wife? 291 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,067 - [John] Yes. 292 00:12:14,101 --> 00:12:15,435 - [Amaryllis] Amazing. 293 00:12:15,468 --> 00:12:16,937 - Holmes met Georgiana Yoke at a department store 294 00:12:16,970 --> 00:12:18,238 in Chicago. 295 00:12:18,271 --> 00:12:19,973 She was this young woman in her early 20s, 296 00:12:20,007 --> 00:12:22,142 and eventually they got married. 297 00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:23,343 Little did she know, of course, that he was married 298 00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:25,512 to two other women at the same time. 299 00:12:25,545 --> 00:12:27,280 - [Jeff] Did he and Georgiana actually live 300 00:12:27,314 --> 00:12:29,549 in the second murder castle? 301 00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:33,987 - No, he forcefully and strangely stole horses in Texas 302 00:12:34,021 --> 00:12:36,023 and then he put them on a train to Chicago, 303 00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:37,825 and maybe they were gonna sell them, 304 00:12:37,858 --> 00:12:39,993 but people in Texas and law enforcement, 305 00:12:40,027 --> 00:12:43,163 they got wind of this, and they run him out of town. 306 00:12:43,196 --> 00:12:44,865 - Shows you how the heat was on 307 00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:47,334 because Holmes would not have been able to leave 308 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,169 that property that easily. 309 00:12:49,202 --> 00:12:52,272 He knew he had to go. - Yea. 310 00:12:52,305 --> 00:12:54,341 - So did he take Pitezel and Georgiana with him, when he-- 311 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:55,308 - [John] Yes. 312 00:12:55,342 --> 00:12:56,877 - [Amaryllis] Got out of Dodge? 313 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:58,411 - [John] Yeah, they're traveling with him, you know 314 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:01,148 and Holmes, along the way, he's planning his schemes 315 00:13:01,181 --> 00:13:03,416 and cons in St. Louis. 316 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:04,918 - [Amaryllis] And he's using a different name in each 317 00:13:04,952 --> 00:13:05,986 of these towns? 318 00:13:06,019 --> 00:13:07,220 - Everywhere he goes, everywhere. 319 00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:10,190 Sometimes numerous names in one city or state. 320 00:13:10,223 --> 00:13:12,926 - It's really helpful to me in putting the Holmes pieces 321 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,096 together in this investigation to understand 322 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:19,299 how comfortable he was traveling and not just traveling, 323 00:13:19,332 --> 00:13:23,036 but using aliases, committing crimes, committing murder, 324 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:24,972 far away from home, and of course, 325 00:13:25,005 --> 00:13:27,407 if Holmes is going to be Jack the Ripper, 326 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,343 he needs to be the kind of killer who is comfortable 327 00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:34,948 going on the road to kill and it's pretty clear that he is. 328 00:13:34,982 --> 00:13:37,484 H. H. Holmes is closely associated with Chicago, 329 00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:39,352 but we're learning that he was someone smart enough 330 00:13:39,386 --> 00:13:42,990 to move frequently from city to city to evade the law, 331 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,625 much like Jack the Ripper, whom Scotland Yard believes 332 00:13:45,658 --> 00:13:49,262 may have left London in 1888, and possibly continued killing 333 00:13:49,296 --> 00:13:51,264 in the United States. 334 00:13:51,298 --> 00:13:53,566 - [Jeff] So John, where does Holmes go next? 335 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,237 - He goes to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 336 00:13:57,270 --> 00:14:00,640 Holmes had planned this life insurance policy scam 337 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:04,111 to take out a life insurance policy on Pitezel. 338 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:05,612 - Do you recall what the value of the policy was? 339 00:14:05,645 --> 00:14:06,880 - $10,000. 340 00:14:06,914 --> 00:14:08,448 So, Holmes said, you know what? 341 00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:11,218 We split the money, five grand for you, five grand for me, 342 00:14:11,251 --> 00:14:14,187 everyone's happy, but strangely enough, 343 00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:18,892 that's the actual beginning of the end for H. H. Holmes. 344 00:14:18,926 --> 00:14:20,427 - What this investigation needs more than anything else 345 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,162 is physical evidence. 346 00:14:24,164 --> 00:14:25,198 But with Holmes taking his murder spree 347 00:14:25,232 --> 00:14:26,599 all over the country, 348 00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,635 he's creating more sites that we can potentially mine 349 00:14:28,668 --> 00:14:30,270 for exactly that. 350 00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:32,172 Since the murder castle isn't open to us right now, 351 00:14:32,205 --> 00:14:34,441 I wanna look into some of Holmes' later crimes, 352 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:36,109 to see if there'sanythinh 353 00:14:36,143 --> 00:14:38,111 in other cities Holmes visited, 354 00:14:38,145 --> 00:14:40,547 because we can be sure he was killing all over the map. 355 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,615 It's a lot for us to take in. 356 00:14:42,649 --> 00:14:45,318 We need to follow Holmes' lead, and get to Philadelphia. 357 00:14:45,352 --> 00:14:46,586 - [Jeff] I agree. 358 00:14:50,057 --> 00:14:51,591 - [Narrator] After leaving Fort Worth, 359 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:54,594 Holmes spends four months on the road to escape capture, 360 00:14:54,627 --> 00:14:58,198 pulling off scams in Denver and St. Louis along the way, 361 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:02,235 and arrives in Philadelphia in August, 1894. 362 00:15:02,269 --> 00:15:05,205 - So we left off Holmes' trail last 363 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:08,108 when he was on his way here to Philadelphia. 364 00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:10,110 Could you tell us what happened once he got here? 365 00:15:10,143 --> 00:15:11,611 - [Narrator] Jeff and Amaryllis pick up the trail 366 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:14,047 at the Philadelphia city archives, 367 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:16,149 where they've gained rare access to records 368 00:15:16,183 --> 00:15:20,387 from the plot that leads to Holmes' final downfall. 369 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:24,424 - So on, or about, September 1st of 1894, 370 00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:28,128 Holmes and Pitezel set up a phony patent office, 371 00:15:28,161 --> 00:15:31,264 which was really a minor scam, in scope, 372 00:15:31,298 --> 00:15:33,366 compared to the real reason why they were here, 373 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,668 which was the life insurance scheme. 374 00:15:35,702 --> 00:15:38,705 They were essentially partners in crime. 375 00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:41,674 - [Narrator] Holmes is no stranger to insurance fraud. 376 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:44,144 The plan is to take a life insurance policy 377 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:47,480 out in Benjamin Pitezel's name and submit a stolen cadaver 378 00:15:47,514 --> 00:15:48,515 in his place. 379 00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:52,019 Holmes will identify the body as Pitezel 380 00:15:52,052 --> 00:15:54,554 to the insurance company, collect on the policy, 381 00:15:54,587 --> 00:15:58,291 and share the money with his right-hand man. 382 00:15:58,325 --> 00:16:00,994 Although he has seen Holmes' true character, 383 00:16:01,028 --> 00:16:03,530 Pitezel trusts him nonetheless. 384 00:16:03,563 --> 00:16:05,298 - [James] And if you look, this is the original document 385 00:16:05,332 --> 00:16:09,669 that formed the basis for the life insurance scam. 386 00:16:09,702 --> 00:16:12,005 - [Amaryllis] That's incredible. 387 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:13,473 - If you look here, you can see that 388 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:17,044 here is Benjamin F. Pitezel's name, insuring his life 389 00:16:17,077 --> 00:16:19,079 for the amount of $10,000. 390 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:26,586 But within a week, Holmes had murdered Pitezel. 391 00:16:29,556 --> 00:16:30,790 - Amazing. 392 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:34,794 He had seen Holmes turn on people before, 393 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:37,397 he obviously believed Holmes would never betray him 394 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:38,365 in that way. 395 00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:39,799 - [James] Yes. 396 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:40,967 - It's really meaningful to see his signature there, 397 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,704 because he didn't realize he was signing away his life. 398 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:47,307 - [Narrator] Holmes renders Benjamin Pitezel unconscious 399 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:50,677 with a blow to the head, then pumps his stomach full 400 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:54,214 of flammable chloroform and burns the body, 401 00:16:54,247 --> 00:16:57,384 to make the murder look like an accident. 402 00:16:57,417 --> 00:17:00,787 He then cashes in the $10,000 life insurance policy, 403 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:03,656 which he promises to split with the Pitezel family, 404 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:06,593 who believe that Holmes uses a stranger's corpse 405 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:11,164 in place of Benjamin Pitezel in order to secure the payout. 406 00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:13,366 - And it's your opinion that the wife took part 407 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,467 in the scheme? 408 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:19,072 - I don't believe she knew that Holmes planned 409 00:17:19,106 --> 00:17:21,341 to kill her husband. 410 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:23,310 From what we know from our documents, 411 00:17:23,343 --> 00:17:25,645 she always believed, like her husband did, 412 00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:29,416 that this was essentially one of their scams, 413 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:32,185 not unlike many others that they had pulled 414 00:17:32,219 --> 00:17:33,820 and that they really were just all going to make off 415 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:34,721 with the money. 416 00:17:36,523 --> 00:17:38,225 And if you look closely here, you can see 417 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:42,395 that the beneficiary of the policy was Pitezel's wife, 418 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:45,532 Carrie A. Pitezel, who was to receive the proceeds 419 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:48,768 in the event of her husband's death. 420 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:52,439 But what we know is that Holmes had an entirely different 421 00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:53,440 idea in mind. 422 00:17:59,646 --> 00:18:02,182 - So Holmes killed the only man he trusted, 423 00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:03,850 the one who helped him build the murder castle, 424 00:18:03,883 --> 00:18:05,552 and cover his tracks. 425 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:07,354 - Well yeah, I mean, it's in line with what we've seen 426 00:18:07,387 --> 00:18:08,755 from Holmes so far. 427 00:18:08,788 --> 00:18:11,258 He kills people who are close to him 428 00:18:11,291 --> 00:18:13,493 and he can profit from financially. 429 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,662 I mean, look at Minnie Williams. 430 00:18:15,695 --> 00:18:17,330 - But after going to all that trouble, 431 00:18:17,364 --> 00:18:19,466 do you think he really intended to split the money 432 00:18:19,499 --> 00:18:21,268 with the Pitezel family? 433 00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:23,303 - Yeah, that doesn't seem likely to me. 434 00:18:23,336 --> 00:18:25,338 You've got five kids and one grownup standing 435 00:18:25,372 --> 00:18:28,141 between him and $10,000. 436 00:18:28,175 --> 00:18:30,210 Doesn't seem like something that would stop Holmes. 437 00:18:30,243 --> 00:18:32,612 I wonder what happened to the rest of the Pitezel family? 438 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,181 - There's an author here in Philadelphia, 439 00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,882 who might be able to help us with that. 440 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:36,716 - Great. 441 00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:43,623 - [Narrator] Jeff and Amaryllis meet with Roger Lane, 442 00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:45,458 a leading authority on violent criminals, 443 00:18:45,492 --> 00:18:48,461 to find out where Holmes went to next. 444 00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:51,464 - One of the things that enabled Holmes to get away 445 00:18:51,498 --> 00:18:53,533 with everything that he did, 446 00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:56,736 was that there was no national FBI. 447 00:18:56,769 --> 00:18:58,371 - [Amaryllis] What does Holmes do after he collects 448 00:18:58,405 --> 00:19:00,740 the insurance policy on Benjamin Pitezel? 449 00:19:00,773 --> 00:19:03,910 - After he picked up the money, he told Carrie Pitezel, 450 00:19:03,943 --> 00:19:06,879 Benjamin's wife, detectives are gonna be following you. 451 00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:09,949 They'll be looking for a woman with five kids. 452 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:14,354 He's playing on her paranoia, and so she put Alice, 453 00:19:14,387 --> 00:19:17,757 Nellie, and Howard on a train to join Holmes. 454 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:20,693 - And how old were they at the time? 455 00:19:20,727 --> 00:19:24,331 - Alice was 15, Nellie was 11, Howard was 10. 456 00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:29,336 - I never understood why did Holmes want possession 457 00:19:29,369 --> 00:19:30,337 of the children? 458 00:19:30,370 --> 00:19:32,205 Exactly why? 459 00:19:32,239 --> 00:19:35,475 - I think he, from the beginning, had in mind, 460 00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:37,677 that he would have to get rid of the Pitezel family, 461 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:39,246 because Carrie Pitezel of course knew 462 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:41,514 about this insurance scheme. 463 00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:43,883 The only safe thing for him to do was 464 00:19:43,916 --> 00:19:46,886 to get rid of the whole family and he could start 465 00:19:46,919 --> 00:19:48,688 with these three kids. 466 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:59,366 Holmes would have to get rid of the Pitezel family, 467 00:19:59,399 --> 00:20:03,270 and he could start with these three kids. 468 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:05,872 - [Narrator] In September of 1894, Holmes embarks 469 00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:08,641 on the next phase of his master plan, 470 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:11,678 to systematically silence any witness who can expose him 471 00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:13,913 as a fraud and a killer. 472 00:20:13,946 --> 00:20:18,585 Most urgently, the members of Benjamin Pitezel's family. 473 00:20:18,618 --> 00:20:20,453 - So Howard went first. 474 00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:27,026 Howard Pitezel was killed October 10th, in Irvington, 475 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:29,429 which is a suburb of Indianapolis. 476 00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:30,830 - [Amaryllis] Do we know what the cause of death was? 477 00:20:30,863 --> 00:20:33,733 - Later on, in a confession, 478 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:37,970 Holmes said that he had poisoned, then strangled him, 479 00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:42,008 and then burnt his body in a stove in the cellar 480 00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:43,710 of that rented house. 481 00:20:44,977 --> 00:20:46,779 They never discovered the whole of his body. 482 00:20:46,813 --> 00:20:48,581 - [Amaryllis] Really? 483 00:20:48,615 --> 00:20:50,383 - [Roger] I mean, he'd left enough evidence to make it clear 484 00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:53,252 that this was Howard Pitezel's body. 485 00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:58,725 The sisters were murdered in Toronto, October 25th. 486 00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:03,963 Holmes gassed the girls by putting their bodies 487 00:21:03,996 --> 00:21:07,634 in a big trunk, drilling a hole in the trunk, 488 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:12,405 and running illuminating gas in until they suffocated. 489 00:21:12,439 --> 00:21:15,775 - This would be similar to carbon monoxide poisoning or-- 490 00:21:15,808 --> 00:21:17,344 - [Roger] Yeah. 491 00:21:17,377 --> 00:21:20,980 Or to what happened back in the castle in Chicago. 492 00:21:24,984 --> 00:21:27,019 - It's your opinion they knew something he was afraid 493 00:21:27,053 --> 00:21:29,822 of being released to the authorities? 494 00:21:29,856 --> 00:21:31,524 - Yes. 495 00:21:31,558 --> 00:21:32,625 - But why would he have taken them across the country 496 00:21:32,659 --> 00:21:34,494 into Canada, what was that? 497 00:21:34,527 --> 00:21:37,397 - Well, part of it may have been to foil pursuit 498 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:40,767 by Fidelity investigators, and maybe it was 499 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,504 for the sheer fun of manipulating other people. 500 00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:48,741 - There's a great psychic income for him, I think, 501 00:21:48,775 --> 00:21:51,378 in this sense of superiority that comes 502 00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:52,445 from the cat and mouse game. 503 00:21:52,479 --> 00:21:53,746 - Who knows? 504 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:56,916 With a mind like this, like his, who knows? 505 00:22:08,495 --> 00:22:10,129 - This is the first time in our investigation 506 00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:12,499 where we might find evidence of a Holmes murder, 507 00:22:12,532 --> 00:22:14,901 that we can actually examine. 508 00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:17,870 - When we're trying to take two sets of crimes 509 00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:19,839 and attribute them to the same killer, 510 00:22:19,872 --> 00:22:21,774 really the only way to do that is 511 00:22:21,808 --> 00:22:23,810 to actually find physical evidence 512 00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:27,447 that link the two crime scenes, or say, 513 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,417 that the map of the killings is so similar 514 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:33,052 that they're either the same killer or a copycat killer. 515 00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:35,422 We can't do either of those things, 516 00:22:35,455 --> 00:22:38,024 if we can't find some physical evidence, 517 00:22:38,057 --> 00:22:42,662 some remains of at least one victim from H. H. Holmes. 518 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:46,466 And the man's sheer genius in premeditation, as a killer, 519 00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:48,835 has thwarted us up until now. 520 00:22:49,969 --> 00:22:51,871 These later killings in his career seem 521 00:22:51,904 --> 00:22:55,742 to be less premeditated than what he was undertaking 522 00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:58,478 at the murder castle. 523 00:22:58,511 --> 00:23:01,180 Ben Pitezel, the crime scene was cleaned up. 524 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,015 We've learned what we had to learn. 525 00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:05,652 The girls in Toronto were found. 526 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:08,154 Howard is different. 527 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:12,191 I'd like to learn more about the Howard Pitezel murder. 528 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:16,128 It seems to me the least investigated at the time. 529 00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:19,532 - [Jeff] No one ever looked into it. 530 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:20,733 - We know that the murder was conducted 531 00:23:20,767 --> 00:23:22,669 at this scene, right? 532 00:23:22,702 --> 00:23:24,537 Part of the body was discovered there. 533 00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:28,140 Howard's murder is the first killing ground 534 00:23:28,174 --> 00:23:31,611 where we could actually find remains to link him 535 00:23:31,644 --> 00:23:33,613 to Jack the Ripper. 536 00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:35,948 Based on all the crime scenes that we've looked at, 537 00:23:35,982 --> 00:23:38,718 Irvington, Indiana is the most likely to give us something 538 00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:40,853 that we can actually put through forensic analysis 539 00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:42,054 and come up with an answer. 540 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,122 - Let's do it. 541 00:23:50,062 --> 00:23:53,600 - One of the thoughts of why Holmes picked Irvington is 542 00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:55,735 that strangers were accepted, 543 00:23:55,768 --> 00:23:59,005 and also it was a remote location. 544 00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:00,673 - [Narrator] In Irvington, Indiana, 545 00:24:00,707 --> 00:24:03,543 mere miles from the location of Howard Pitezel's murder, 546 00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:05,812 Jeff and Amaryllis meet with local historian, 547 00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:08,180 Steve Barnett, to dig deeper into the details 548 00:24:08,214 --> 00:24:11,017 of the horrific crime. 549 00:24:11,050 --> 00:24:14,887 - In the late summer of 1894, Holmes came to Indiana 550 00:24:14,921 --> 00:24:18,625 with Howard and found a house to rent, 551 00:24:18,658 --> 00:24:21,761 that was on the edge, really, of the developed area. 552 00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:23,029 - What's your understanding of how many days 553 00:24:23,062 --> 00:24:25,965 Holmes was in Irvington to commit the crime? 554 00:24:25,998 --> 00:24:28,835 - He rented the house on October the 5th, 555 00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:32,238 which was a Friday, and stayed until October 10th and left. 556 00:24:32,271 --> 00:24:35,007 Also, there's some other members of the historical society 557 00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:39,011 that have materials that were left here in Irvington. 558 00:24:39,045 --> 00:24:40,580 - [Amaryllis] Materials that Holmes left behind? 559 00:24:40,613 --> 00:24:42,114 - [Steve] Yes. 560 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:44,784 - If Holmes did leave possessions or personal items 561 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:46,252 behind during his stay in Irvington, 562 00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:48,555 they could be crucial to our investigation. 563 00:24:48,588 --> 00:24:49,822 We definitely need to track them down, 564 00:24:49,856 --> 00:24:53,025 after we investigate the scene of Howard's murder. 565 00:24:53,059 --> 00:24:55,595 What reason did he give for coming to Irvington? 566 00:24:55,628 --> 00:24:58,130 - He rented the house, saying he was setting the house 567 00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:01,868 up for his sister, who was coming to town. 568 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:05,605 Then he ordered this huge stove to be installed. 569 00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:07,774 It was a wood-burning stove and there was one report 570 00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:09,576 that someone commented, 571 00:25:09,609 --> 00:25:10,810 what are you getting that big stove for? 572 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:12,912 We have gas out here now. 573 00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:16,215 And he said well, gas is not good for kids. 574 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:20,186 - He meant gas is not good for cremating the remains 575 00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:21,253 of kids. - Yes. 576 00:25:23,122 --> 00:25:24,624 - [Amaryllis] When was Howard found? 577 00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:27,326 - After he completed the deed, in October of 1894, 578 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,129 it wasn't til almost a year later, the detectives found, 579 00:25:30,162 --> 00:25:33,600 essentially, Howard's mummified entrails. 580 00:25:33,633 --> 00:25:34,767 - His organs? 581 00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:35,968 - His organs, yes. 582 00:25:36,002 --> 00:25:37,737 - So he'd been disemboweled? 583 00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:39,238 - He had, yes. 584 00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:42,675 - This isn't the Holmes we thought we knew in Chicago. 585 00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:45,912 This is much more of a Ripper-type murder. 586 00:25:52,819 --> 00:25:55,688 of a Ripper-type murder, 587 00:25:55,722 --> 00:25:58,224 and the haphazard way he left the body behind 588 00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:01,260 and simply left the scene of the crime. 589 00:26:01,293 --> 00:26:03,730 - [Narrator] Investigating the murder of Howard Pitezel, 590 00:26:03,763 --> 00:26:06,833 Jeff and Amaryllis uncover a big break in the case. 591 00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:09,669 A possible link between a Holmes victim 592 00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:12,171 and the Jack the Ripper killings. 593 00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:14,941 Reports from the time indicate that the 10-year-old victim 594 00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:18,945 is first rendered unconscious and then disemboweled, 595 00:26:20,179 --> 00:26:24,651 a method that closely mirrors the Ripper's deadly technique. 596 00:26:24,684 --> 00:26:25,618 - [Amaryllis] We know that detectives at the time 597 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:27,920 never found the entirety of Howard's remains. 598 00:26:27,954 --> 00:26:29,889 Do you know which parts were missing? 599 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:31,758 - [Steve] The detectives found other bone fragments 600 00:26:31,791 --> 00:26:33,960 in the yard and elsewhere. 601 00:26:33,993 --> 00:26:35,227 - [Amaryllis] Just scattered? 602 00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:36,663 - [Steve] Yes. 603 00:26:36,696 --> 00:26:39,198 You might want to look at this account. 604 00:26:39,231 --> 00:26:41,133 - Newspapers at the time report that the only parts 605 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:42,935 of Howard's body that were recovered 606 00:26:42,969 --> 00:26:46,005 were his skull, femur, and cheekbone, 607 00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:48,741 along with his stomach, liver, and spleen. 608 00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:51,343 That's a lot of Howard's body that's still unaccounted for. 609 00:26:51,377 --> 00:26:53,412 - I don't know what more horrifying image 610 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:55,848 you could possibly have. 611 00:26:55,882 --> 00:26:58,918 - There's a report that, on Howard's last day, 612 00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:02,154 Holmes went with Howard actually down to a knife-sharpener 613 00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:06,192 in downtown Indianapolis to have instruments sharpened, 614 00:27:06,225 --> 00:27:10,763 and even talked about preparing another surgical instrument. 615 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,298 - Were these surgical knives that they were talking about? 616 00:27:12,331 --> 00:27:14,233 - Uh, that's my impression, yes. 617 00:27:14,266 --> 00:27:16,368 In fact, there was one newspaper account 618 00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:19,739 where the proprietor of the knife-sharpening business 619 00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:22,174 remarked that they would be desirable weapons 620 00:27:22,208 --> 00:27:23,943 for a Jack the Ripper. 621 00:27:26,946 --> 00:27:28,114 - [Jeff] I think we need to check out the site 622 00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:30,149 where Howard was murdered. 623 00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:41,160 - It's so amazing to be standing here on this ground 624 00:27:41,193 --> 00:27:43,462 and realize that this is the same ground 625 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:46,966 where all those bone fragments of Howard Pitezel 626 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,167 were discovered. 627 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:52,739 - Right, this was a totally open space except 628 00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:55,775 for the house that Holmes had rented. 629 00:27:55,808 --> 00:27:59,478 The house itself was a very simple cottage. 630 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:01,748 It had been built in 1891 so it was only 631 00:28:01,781 --> 00:28:05,351 about three or four years old at the time Holmes rented it. 632 00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:09,088 But we know that he scattered the bones around the yard, 633 00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:13,192 and I have a homeowner that might be of interest to you, 634 00:28:13,225 --> 00:28:14,493 so let's walk around the corner. 635 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:15,261 - [Jeff] Sounds like a good idea. 636 00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:17,396 - Lead the way. 637 00:28:17,429 --> 00:28:19,498 - [Narrator] The cottage Holmes rents for five fateful days 638 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:23,035 in 1894 sits on a large plot of land 639 00:28:23,069 --> 00:28:26,372 that has since been subdivided into multiple properties. 640 00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:29,175 The original house no longer exists, 641 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:33,479 but a new home occupies the majority of the lot. 642 00:28:33,512 --> 00:28:36,148 - This was part of a larger estate, 643 00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,818 kind of accompanying the neighboring houses, 644 00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:40,853 going back in this direction, 645 00:28:40,887 --> 00:28:43,122 which made up the home's property. 646 00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:44,924 - And as far as you know, has the ground here 647 00:28:44,957 --> 00:28:46,392 ever been excavated? 648 00:28:46,425 --> 00:28:49,395 - No, not to my knowledge, not at all. 649 00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:50,229 - [Jeff] I think it certainly warrants 650 00:28:50,262 --> 00:28:52,264 further investigation. 651 00:28:52,298 --> 00:28:54,200 - Federal investigations sometimes rely 652 00:28:54,233 --> 00:28:57,036 on forensic K-9 units that are trained to identify the area 653 00:28:57,069 --> 00:28:59,338 of old human remains. 654 00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:01,440 I'm thinking this might be a good resource to tap into here 655 00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:03,976 because we'll need to identify an excavation area 656 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:06,078 before we can bring in a team. 657 00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:08,180 Do you think it's possible for us to come back another day 658 00:29:08,214 --> 00:29:10,182 with more resources and do it properly? 659 00:29:10,216 --> 00:29:12,418 - Absolutely, that'd be fine. 660 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:20,226 - My ideas about Holmes being Jack the Ripper 661 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:23,095 are discredited because people say Holmes didn't kill 662 00:29:23,129 --> 00:29:25,031 like the Ripper. 663 00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:27,066 If we can find direct evidence, 664 00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,302 we have a chance to connect those MOs. 665 00:29:30,336 --> 00:29:31,503 - [Narrator] Jeff and Amaryllis consult 666 00:29:31,537 --> 00:29:33,439 with Dr. Page Selinsky, 667 00:29:33,472 --> 00:29:35,975 a leading biological anthropologist 668 00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:39,378 to learn whether 130-year-old skeletal remains 669 00:29:39,411 --> 00:29:41,380 could contain the evidence they need 670 00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:45,317 to forensically evaluate Holmes' killing method. 671 00:29:45,351 --> 00:29:47,519 - These bones you have laid out on the table here, 672 00:29:47,553 --> 00:29:52,324 mainly the spine and ribcage. 673 00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:55,527 These bones for Howard Pitezel have not yet been found. 674 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:57,964 We know in several of the Jack the Ripper cases, 675 00:29:57,997 --> 00:30:01,433 that there were actually knife marks on the vertebrae, 676 00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:03,469 so I'm encouraged that this is the part of Howard 677 00:30:03,502 --> 00:30:06,338 that has not yet been uncovered. 678 00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,340 We know from newspaper reports that most of Howard's bones 679 00:30:08,374 --> 00:30:09,876 were never recovered. 680 00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:11,377 This could be very important 681 00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:13,612 because the Jack the Ripper autopsy reports specifically 682 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:15,982 mention marks made on bones. 683 00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:17,917 If we could recover the bones from a Holmes victim, 684 00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,286 it would be a major breakthrough for this case. 685 00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,122 When comparing two killers, the method of killing is 686 00:30:23,155 --> 00:30:26,158 a really important piece of information. 687 00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:29,495 We know from the experts that we've spoken to in London 688 00:30:29,528 --> 00:30:33,933 that the murder weapon used by Jack was a surgical knife, 689 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:37,103 such as this, which are not serrated at all, 690 00:30:37,136 --> 00:30:40,406 and we know that when Holmes was here, he had such a set 691 00:30:40,439 --> 00:30:44,310 and actually took them to be sharpened while he was in town. 692 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,315 Could you walk us through what we'd be looking for 693 00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:52,451 in identifying the murder weapon, 694 00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:54,653 based on the marks on the bone? 695 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:56,488 - In this case here, I can show you wt a knife wound 696 00:30:56,522 --> 00:30:59,558 would look like on the rib of a young adult female, 697 00:30:59,591 --> 00:31:03,996 and you can see that there is a very clean-cut edge 698 00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:04,964 and it will match up perfectly with the other side 699 00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:06,465 of that rib. 700 00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:10,269 - Now, if we were only to recover one of these pieces, 701 00:31:10,302 --> 00:31:11,603 would you be able to tell what the weapon was 702 00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:13,973 that was used to make the cut? 703 00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:16,242 - Well, you can see here we have some comparative samples 704 00:31:16,275 --> 00:31:18,344 for a saw versus a knife, 705 00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:19,611 and you can see what a saw mark looks like 706 00:31:19,645 --> 00:31:21,047 on the end of the bone. 707 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,048 You can see a little bit of the saw marks 708 00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:24,316 on the bone itself. 709 00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:27,253 The knife is gonna leave a very thin, clean cut there. 710 00:31:27,286 --> 00:31:29,121 - Finding a bone that's been cut with a serrated blade 711 00:31:29,155 --> 00:31:30,256 would conflict with what we know 712 00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:31,690 about the Ripper's killings. 713 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:35,261 If we find a bone where we're able to identify 714 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,163 a surgical knife has been used, 715 00:31:37,196 --> 00:31:39,465 in a way that's more consistent with disemboweling, 716 00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:41,400 then the manner of killing begins to look a lot more 717 00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:44,203 like Jack the Ripper's investigation. 718 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:47,139 - What about if, while the cut was being made, Page, 719 00:31:47,173 --> 00:31:48,707 the victim was struggling? 720 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,509 Because Jack the Ripper dissected his victims 721 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,312 after they were unconscious. 722 00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:55,247 - I mean, that's gonna affect many things about the cut, 723 00:31:55,281 --> 00:31:57,249 including the cut itself and whether you're gonna have 724 00:31:57,283 --> 00:32:00,386 sort of false cuts, instead of a clean cut, so yes. 725 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:03,155 So, if you have very clean, single incident sorts of cuts, 726 00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:05,024 it's more likely that the victim was not struggling 727 00:32:05,057 --> 00:32:06,959 during the process. 728 00:32:06,993 --> 00:32:09,361 - I'm hopeful, based on what you've told us, 729 00:32:09,395 --> 00:32:12,298 that if we are able to find any of Howard's remains, 730 00:32:12,331 --> 00:32:14,466 they may be able to shed light on the manner 731 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:16,335 in which he was killed. 732 00:32:16,368 --> 00:32:18,004 - Which may help us connect 733 00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:21,107 that Holmes murder of Howard Pitezel, 734 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,976 with the Ripper Whitechapel murders. 735 00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:30,582 Zuma is her name? - Yes. 736 00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:33,685 She's a historical human remains detection dog. 737 00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,587 - [Narrator] Jeff and Amaryllis enlist 738 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,423 a canine recovery team to survey the site 739 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,759 for any sign of human remains. 740 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,229 - What she'll do is she'll grid the area really tight, 741 00:32:43,262 --> 00:32:46,198 and try to find the source. 742 00:32:46,232 --> 00:32:48,300 - This is the coldest case I've worked. 743 00:32:48,334 --> 00:32:52,271 Can Zuma smell remains that are 125 years old? 744 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,640 - Yes, we do a lot of that kind of work. 745 00:32:54,673 --> 00:32:56,475 We assist archeologists. 746 00:32:56,508 --> 00:32:59,578 We train them to find the older remains. 747 00:33:01,347 --> 00:33:04,550 - So what are we looking for as an indicator from Zuma 748 00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,418 that she's found something? 749 00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:08,554 - She'll definitely slow her pace, 750 00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:11,257 and she'll begin to sniff the area a little more detailed, 751 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:12,224 and then she'll lay down. 752 00:33:12,258 --> 00:33:13,659 - She'll lay down. 753 00:33:13,692 --> 00:33:17,163 All right, Zuma, you wanna find something for us? 754 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:20,166 - [Handler] You ready, come on, let's get to work. 755 00:33:20,199 --> 00:33:21,533 - Knowing that even the smallest fragment of bone could help 756 00:33:21,567 --> 00:33:24,070 shed light on Holmes' killing style, 757 00:33:24,103 --> 00:33:25,737 we need to explore the entire plot of land 758 00:33:25,771 --> 00:33:29,341 where Howard's body was found in 1895. 759 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:31,677 - [Handler] Very nice, good girl, easy. 760 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:33,212 Turn. 761 00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:34,046 Good. 762 00:33:35,747 --> 00:33:37,283 Easy. 763 00:33:37,316 --> 00:33:38,584 Zu, here. 764 00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:43,089 - [Amaryllis] Is she showing any interest there? 765 00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:44,623 - [Handler] Zu, turn. 766 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:59,505 - [Jeff] Whoa! 767 00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:00,772 - [Ha- [Jeff] Whoa!ell. 768 00:34:00,806 --> 00:34:02,174 - Is that a hit? 769 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:06,645 - [Handler] No. 770 00:34:08,414 --> 00:34:09,548 - [Jeff] So what does that mean? 771 00:34:09,581 --> 00:34:11,250 She thought about it and then backed off? 772 00:34:11,283 --> 00:34:12,084 - Yeah. 773 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,854 If she would have stayed or if she goes back on her own, 774 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:17,823 then we know that we have something there. 775 00:34:17,856 --> 00:34:19,558 - Right, should we take a look 776 00:34:19,591 --> 00:34:20,526 on the other side of the house? 777 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,228 - [Handler] Yes. 778 00:34:22,261 --> 00:34:23,595 - [Narrator] The highly specialized, 779 00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:26,232 historical human remains canine team is on the scent 780 00:34:26,265 --> 00:34:29,435 of revealing a break in the case. 781 00:34:29,468 --> 00:34:30,702 The recovery dog is trained 782 00:34:30,736 --> 00:34:33,672 to identify centuries-old corpses. 783 00:34:33,705 --> 00:34:35,207 - [Handler] Let's get back to work. 784 00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:36,508 - [Narrator] A skill that Jeff and Amaryllis hope 785 00:34:36,542 --> 00:34:38,510 will locate where Holmes disposed 786 00:34:38,544 --> 00:34:41,247 of the 10-year-old Howard Pitezel. 787 00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:47,786 - [Jeff] There's no doubt she's at work. 788 00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:48,720 - [Amaryllis] Well, and for us, 789 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:49,721 the stakes couldn't be higher, 790 00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:51,857 so I'm hoping she finds something. 791 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:53,559 - [Handler] Good job. 792 00:34:56,662 --> 00:34:57,463 Good. 793 00:35:02,301 --> 00:35:03,835 Get to work. 794 00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:06,772 (suspenseful music) 795 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,682 - Whoa, she's sitting down. 796 00:35:16,715 --> 00:35:17,683 - Is that it? 797 00:35:17,716 --> 00:35:18,550 Is that it? 798 00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:26,225 I believe that there is possibly something in this area. 799 00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:30,829 - So Zuma pinged on old human remains in this area? 800 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,164 - Yes. 801 00:35:32,198 --> 00:35:34,633 It seems to be a good place to look. 802 00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:38,804 - This could possibly be the spot that Holmes buried part 803 00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:40,406 of Howard Pitezel? 804 00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:41,607 - [Handler] Yes. 805 00:35:43,775 --> 00:35:46,245 - That's an enormous breakthrough. 806 00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:48,680 For the entire Holmes trail that we've been on, 807 00:35:48,714 --> 00:35:52,751 we have never before had access to physical evidence, 808 00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:56,422 let alone the remains of a victim of H. H. Holmes, 809 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:58,524 anywhere in this investigation. 810 00:35:58,557 --> 00:36:03,362 We have to handle this incredibly carefully, 811 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:05,664 I mean, this is a crime scene. 812 00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:09,968 The likelihood, given that we know 813 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:13,972 that Howard's remains were found on that property, 814 00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:17,343 is that, somewhere under that ground, 815 00:36:17,376 --> 00:36:21,347 is at least some other part of 10-year-old Howard Pitezel, 816 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:24,950 a real human boy who was killed by H. H. Holmes. 817 00:36:33,259 --> 00:36:37,829 - Looking at Howard's picture here now, it's emotional. 818 00:36:37,863 --> 00:36:41,300 - I'm really sorry that this child lay in the ground 819 00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:44,503 for a hundred years, but it may not have been in vain, 820 00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:46,538 because he may end up being the breadcrumbs 821 00:36:46,572 --> 00:36:49,375 back through history that actually allow us 822 00:36:49,408 --> 00:36:51,377 to put this case to rest. 823 00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:53,945 Think about the number of times, 824 00:36:53,979 --> 00:36:55,647 as we've gone through this investigation, 825 00:36:55,681 --> 00:36:59,385 that we've been frustrated at how the forensic scene was 826 00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:01,487 bungled by investigators at the time 827 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,656 and it's really our responsibility to Howard 828 00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:07,393 to make sure that we don't do the same thing here. 829 00:37:07,426 --> 00:37:09,328 - Well, I've got to tell you, after today, 830 00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:11,830 I'm ready to take the next step. 831 00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:13,365 What's the proper move? 832 00:37:13,399 --> 00:37:15,301 - I'd like to make a few phone calls 833 00:37:15,334 --> 00:37:17,769 and see what components we need from archeology 834 00:37:17,803 --> 00:37:21,473 and academia to make sure that we do this right, 835 00:37:21,507 --> 00:37:24,710 'cause we really only have one shot at it. 836 00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:33,752 - [Narrator] Four months into their investigation 837 00:37:33,785 --> 00:37:35,954 of the historic unsolved mystery, 838 00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:37,789 Jeff and Amaryllis are closer than ever 839 00:37:37,823 --> 00:37:39,925 to unearthing the evidence they need to prove 840 00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:43,862 that Jeff's ancestor, H. H. Holmes, was Jack the Ripper. 841 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:47,966 - We're going to place our one-by-one test unit, 842 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:50,536 and very carefully dig down, centimeter by centimeter, 843 00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:52,571 looking for human remains. 844 00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:54,906 See if we can find what's left of Howard. 845 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:55,874 - [Narrator] They've secured the assistance 846 00:37:55,907 --> 00:37:58,610 of an archeological team to properly recover 847 00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:02,548 any skeletal remains of Holmes' victim, Howard Pitezel. 848 00:38:03,749 --> 00:38:05,050 - It really feels like we're giving this 849 00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:07,719 the first thorough investigation it's received 850 00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:10,055 a hundred years after the fact. 851 00:38:10,088 --> 00:38:11,857 - Better late than never. 852 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:13,024 Let's go to it. 853 00:38:17,996 --> 00:38:20,799 - Yeah, so you're being careful to just grab the sod? 854 00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:22,668 - [Archeogist] Right. 855 00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:29,408 We just did the first sift. - Yeah. 856 00:38:30,776 --> 00:38:32,778 - Now, how deep are we now, Amy? 857 00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:35,113 - Roughly four or five centimeters. 858 00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:37,583 We're gonna keep going until we hit that sterile subsoil. 859 00:38:37,616 --> 00:38:38,784 You can see we're still in the really dark. 860 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,419 - [Jeff] Yeah. 861 00:38:40,452 --> 00:38:41,620 - There is a color change that we'll be able to see 862 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,389 when I've hit that subsoil. 863 00:38:43,422 --> 00:38:45,657 We won't be digging into the subsoil 864 00:38:45,691 --> 00:38:48,527 because we know he wasn't burying remains on the site, 865 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,630 he was scattering them on the surface, 866 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:54,700 and materials don't typically move down into the subsoil 867 00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:56,735 so if there are materials here, or remains, 868 00:38:56,768 --> 00:38:59,905 they're gonna be up in the upper layers of the soil. 869 00:38:59,938 --> 00:39:02,040 - We learned that, if Holmes did use surgical knives 870 00:39:02,073 --> 00:39:04,109 to disembowel Howard Pitezel, 871 00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:07,579 then he would have left recognizable marks on the bones. 872 00:39:07,613 --> 00:39:09,548 And London autopsy reports on the Ripper victims 873 00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:11,650 cite a specific pattern on the bone, 874 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:13,719 so finding even a small part of Howard's skeleton would be 875 00:39:13,752 --> 00:39:15,987 a big discovery for the case. 876 00:39:20,659 --> 00:39:22,528 What's that right there? 877 00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,864 - [Amy] Hang on a second. 878 00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:26,965 It's coal. 879 00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:27,799 - Coal? 880 00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:31,036 That's interesting, since part of his body was found 881 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:32,971 in a furnace. 882 00:39:33,004 --> 00:39:36,107 Does this show any signs of having been burned? 883 00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:38,610 - [Amy] Yes, the shiny outer coating indicates 884 00:39:38,644 --> 00:39:40,145 that has been burned. 885 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:43,148 - [Amaryllis] Are there uses for this kind of coal, 886 00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:46,184 current day, or would you think this dates to the time? 887 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:48,487 - I would think that likely dates to the time. 888 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,657 People these days aren't using coal like that to heat homes. 889 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:53,058 - I mean, that's really interesting, 890 00:39:53,091 --> 00:39:55,727 given that we know Howard's body was burned 891 00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:57,663 before it was scattered. 892 00:40:00,532 --> 00:40:03,034 - [Amy] Well, here's more coal. 893 00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:05,704 That's like all over in here. - Yeah. 894 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:07,639 - [Amy] It's all through it, there's a lot in here. 895 00:40:07,673 --> 00:40:09,841 - [Amaryllis] There's a lot of coal in here. 896 00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:11,677 - [Amy] Some here. 897 00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:13,779 - [Amaryllis] You're also finding coal? 898 00:40:13,812 --> 00:40:16,047 - [Jeff] So now we're talking about a deposit of coal, 899 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:17,716 not just a piece of coal? 900 00:40:17,749 --> 00:40:19,818 - Yeah, the guys are finding it in the sieves as well. 901 00:40:19,851 --> 00:40:22,688 And we found it near where Zuma pinged 902 00:40:22,721 --> 00:40:24,856 on historical human remains. 903 00:40:27,192 --> 00:40:28,026 - Whoa, whoa, whoa. 904 00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:29,495 Whoa, what? 905 00:40:29,528 --> 00:40:30,662 Check that out. 906 00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:34,232 Well that, is that a coin? 907 00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:36,201 - [Amaryllis] Whatever that is, it looks period, right? 908 00:40:36,234 --> 00:40:39,638 - [Amy] It looks like an archeology artifact. 909 00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:40,906 - [Amaryllis] It's made out of metal. 910 00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:42,874 - [Amy] It is metal. 911 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:43,942 It's a button. 912 00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:51,550 - For this to have been a wooded, quiet area at the time, 913 00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:55,153 not a residential area, and to find coal next to a button, 914 00:40:55,186 --> 00:40:58,624 clearly something was disposed of here. 915 00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:02,561 Whether it's part of Howard, think we have to keep digging. 916 00:41:03,629 --> 00:41:04,930 - [Amy] I've got another button. 917 00:41:04,963 --> 00:41:06,031 - Oh, yeah? 918 00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:07,265 Where was that one found? 919 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:08,800 - [Amy] It came out of the screen. 920 00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:09,768 - [Amaryllis] Same button? 921 00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:11,002 - [Amy] Almost exact. 922 00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:11,937 - [Amaryllis] Oh, wow. 923 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:13,271 - Exact. 924 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,507 - So now we're talking about finding clothing. 925 00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:18,143 I mean, this is a matching set. 926 00:41:18,176 --> 00:41:19,611 Wow, my ... 927 00:41:19,645 --> 00:41:20,846 That's ... 928 00:41:20,879 --> 00:41:21,847 My heart's actually beating. 929 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,615 It's really a finding. 930 00:41:30,689 --> 00:41:33,224 - What's the white that I'm seeing? 931 00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:36,628 - [Amy] Right there? 932 00:41:36,662 --> 00:41:39,531 (suspenseful music) 933 00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:43,635 That's a bone. 934 00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:45,103 - That's bone? - Yeah. 935 00:41:45,136 --> 00:41:47,539 - So we found bone? - Yeah. 936 00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:48,173 - Holy ... 937 00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:56,081 - [Narrator] Next time, on American Ripper. 938 00:41:56,114 --> 00:41:58,183 - [Archeologist] Oh, oh, Amy. 939 00:41:58,216 --> 00:41:59,150 - We have something? 940 00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:00,686 - Whoa, wait a minute, whoa. 941 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,121 - [Page] They appear most likely to be rib bone. 942 00:42:03,154 --> 00:42:04,823 - Are you sure? 943 00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:07,693 - [Man] This entire box is nothing but photos. 944 00:42:07,726 --> 00:42:08,960 - Without even looking at the back, 945 00:42:08,994 --> 00:42:10,562 I recognize this man. 946 00:42:10,596 --> 00:42:11,897 - Have you ever heard of the Holmes curse? 947 00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:13,198 - What are we talking about, 948 00:42:13,231 --> 00:42:16,234 like Holmes' ghost exacting revenge on people? 949 00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:19,605 - I think the Holmes curse is compelling evidence 950 00:42:19,638 --> 00:42:22,007 that Holmes escaped his execution. 951 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,842 - Think what? 952 00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:26,044 - He made a confession that was recorded. 953 00:42:26,077 --> 00:42:27,178 - Of his voice? 954 00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:29,080 - The only way I'm going to find out 955 00:42:29,114 --> 00:42:32,350 if H. H. Holmes may actually be Jack the Ripper 956 00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:36,287 is to see what, if anything, is actually buried here. 957 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,823 - Are you talking about actually digging up 958 00:42:37,856 --> 00:42:39,625 your great-great-grandfather? 76188

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