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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,237 --> 00:00:07,475 (tense and dramatic theme) 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:10,711 - In 1888, Britain's first serial killer, 3 00:00:10,744 --> 00:00:14,648 Jack the Ripper went on a killing spree in London. 4 00:00:16,684 --> 00:00:18,552 (tense and dramatic theme) 5 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:20,188 He was never caught. 6 00:00:21,789 --> 00:00:24,192 But I know who the Ripper is. 7 00:00:25,759 --> 00:00:28,562 His real name is HH Holmes. 8 00:00:28,596 --> 00:00:32,133 And he was America's first serial killer. 9 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:35,103 And he is my great, great grandfather. 10 00:00:40,174 --> 00:00:42,476 - [Narrator] Previously on American Ripper. 11 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:44,512 - This is the place that evil man built 12 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:46,814 that factory of death. 13 00:00:46,847 --> 00:00:48,549 - If we want physical evidence to link 14 00:00:48,582 --> 00:00:50,351 Ripper and Holmes, there is a strong chance that it is 15 00:00:50,384 --> 00:00:52,520 underneath that lot. 16 00:00:52,553 --> 00:00:54,322 - This is a famous dear boss letter that is 17 00:00:54,355 --> 00:00:57,191 the first letter to be signed Jack the Ripper. 18 00:00:57,225 --> 00:01:00,228 - The language certainly looks American. 19 00:01:00,261 --> 00:01:02,196 - The Ripper butchered Mary Kelly 20 00:01:02,230 --> 00:01:04,798 to the point that she could have in theory been 21 00:01:04,832 --> 00:01:07,235 an animal carcass. 22 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:09,303 - Today, there is amazing cutting edge 23 00:01:09,337 --> 00:01:12,440 technology that can create a composite photograph 24 00:01:12,473 --> 00:01:13,674 from eyewitness accounts of what 25 00:01:13,707 --> 00:01:16,076 Jack the Ripper looked like. 26 00:01:17,278 --> 00:01:20,448 - If you took this composite to a judge, 27 00:01:20,481 --> 00:01:22,150 he'd issue a warrant. 28 00:01:26,387 --> 00:01:29,123 (traffic running) 29 00:01:31,559 --> 00:01:33,861 (soft music) 30 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:36,397 - Wow. 31 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:39,567 This is pretty compelling to me. 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,238 You've got Jack on the left, you've got Holmes on the right. 33 00:01:44,272 --> 00:01:45,773 - People have been telling me for years 34 00:01:45,806 --> 00:01:47,708 that my theory is crazy. 35 00:01:47,741 --> 00:01:51,645 At times I even began to doubt myself but now 36 00:01:51,679 --> 00:01:54,215 I can look into the eyes of Britain's most notorious 37 00:01:54,248 --> 00:01:56,150 serial killer and staring back at me 38 00:01:56,184 --> 00:01:57,851 is a very familiar face. 39 00:02:00,788 --> 00:02:02,823 He is obviously 27 years old here, okay, 40 00:02:02,856 --> 00:02:05,659 if he was in London in 1888. 41 00:02:05,693 --> 00:02:07,195 The photo here's a police photo 42 00:02:07,228 --> 00:02:10,164 after his arrest and he would've been 32 or 33. 43 00:02:10,198 --> 00:02:11,332 I know that we still have work to do 44 00:02:11,365 --> 00:02:13,501 to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt 45 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:14,635 but for the moment, 46 00:02:14,668 --> 00:02:16,170 I feel vindicated. 47 00:02:17,571 --> 00:02:18,439 We now have 48 00:02:20,208 --> 00:02:24,412 an image of a potential suspect. 49 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:28,916 We might be talking about Jack the Ripper. 50 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:30,584 HH Holmes. 51 00:02:30,618 --> 00:02:33,754 (dramatic theme music) 52 00:02:37,525 --> 00:02:40,294 How foolproof are these comparisons 53 00:02:40,328 --> 00:02:41,795 in your experience? 54 00:02:41,829 --> 00:02:43,731 - The more eyewitness accounts that you have, 55 00:02:43,764 --> 00:02:47,335 with the more details involved the better and better result. 56 00:02:47,368 --> 00:02:50,238 I am really confident about how accurate it is. 57 00:02:50,271 --> 00:02:52,573 We've been able to track down in the press 13 58 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:54,875 eyewitness reports of those who claim that they've seen 59 00:02:54,908 --> 00:02:57,211 Jack the Ripper. 60 00:02:57,245 --> 00:02:59,513 That's an unusually high number. 61 00:02:59,547 --> 00:03:00,681 It's still not a smoking gun, 62 00:03:00,714 --> 00:03:04,818 but that composite picture looks a lot like HH Holmes. 63 00:03:04,852 --> 00:03:07,388 From what we have learned, I've been surprised 64 00:03:07,421 --> 00:03:10,958 that my major objections are beginning to melt away. 65 00:03:10,991 --> 00:03:15,229 There is not as dramatic a difference between these two 66 00:03:15,263 --> 00:03:17,265 killers as I had thought. 67 00:03:18,499 --> 00:03:20,434 We know the Ripper could have been a doctor 68 00:03:20,468 --> 00:03:22,670 just like Holmes. 69 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:24,805 Both killer seem to have enjoyed the act of dissection 70 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:28,242 after they killed their victims. 71 00:03:28,276 --> 00:03:30,644 - Yeah and the conclusions the linguists 72 00:03:30,678 --> 00:03:32,946 had with the dear boss letter was written, 73 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:35,283 in their opinion, by an American. 74 00:03:35,316 --> 00:03:37,551 - Yeah, like most investigators, 75 00:03:37,585 --> 00:03:40,388 when I came here, I thought Jack the Ripper 76 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:43,657 was the quintessential disorganized killer. 77 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:50,431 But as we've heard about his ability to time the routes 78 00:03:50,464 --> 00:03:53,601 of law enforcement, and how his methods evolved 79 00:03:53,634 --> 00:03:56,970 with each kill, almost like he's perfecting a process. 80 00:03:57,004 --> 00:04:01,509 I am beginning to think that maybe he was of a higher IQ, 81 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:05,413 more kind of organized, just like HH Holmes. 82 00:04:05,446 --> 00:04:07,348 - I've been convinced from the day 83 00:04:07,381 --> 00:04:10,851 I started that it had to do with gamesmanship. 84 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:15,656 Holmes was always staying one step ahead of law enforcement 85 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:17,991 and outsmarting the system. 86 00:04:18,025 --> 00:04:21,562 - Well, this is not conclusive evidence but 87 00:04:22,896 --> 00:04:26,534 with an escalation this dramatic and this quick 88 00:04:28,001 --> 00:04:31,372 I would expect to see the killing continue. 89 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:34,908 But the Ripper murders just stop and we've seen 90 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:39,413 Holmes's name, an alias, show up in ship manifest 91 00:04:39,447 --> 00:04:42,616 from London to America after the Whitechapel killings. 92 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:43,951 - I would say that this is the first 93 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:45,986 milestone where I am truly 94 00:04:47,888 --> 00:04:49,823 intrigued by your theory. 95 00:04:51,525 --> 00:04:53,427 We still have more investigating to do. 96 00:04:53,461 --> 00:04:55,563 I want to continue subjecting letters and artifacts 97 00:04:55,596 --> 00:04:57,965 to forensic analysis to see if we can find more links 98 00:04:57,998 --> 00:04:59,700 between Holmes and the Ripper. 99 00:04:59,733 --> 00:05:01,602 But what we are still missing is physical evidence 100 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:03,471 from the crime scenes. 101 00:05:04,538 --> 00:05:05,606 We know no murder weapon was ever 102 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:07,541 recovered here in London. 103 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:09,943 So, if Holmes was the Ripper, whatever physical evidence 104 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:14,515 remains may have traveled with him back across the ocean. 105 00:05:14,548 --> 00:05:15,716 - Well, it appears that the trail leads back 106 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:17,050 to the States. 107 00:05:17,084 --> 00:05:20,488 - [Amaryllis] Guess we're on our way home. 108 00:05:22,423 --> 00:05:25,626 (dramatic theme music) 109 00:05:31,131 --> 00:05:33,133 - After everything we learned in London, 110 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:36,404 I'm even more anxious to excavate under the post office 111 00:05:36,437 --> 00:05:38,672 where the murder castle stood. 112 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:39,873 - You and me both. 113 00:05:39,907 --> 00:05:42,510 If we're going to find physical evidence two tie Holmes 114 00:05:42,543 --> 00:05:45,045 to Ripper, that is where it's going to be. 115 00:05:45,078 --> 00:05:46,514 - So, what's the status on that? 116 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:47,381 Have you heard anything? 117 00:05:47,415 --> 00:05:48,849 - Yeah, my colleague gave me the name 118 00:05:48,882 --> 00:05:50,050 of someone at the post office we can talk 119 00:05:50,083 --> 00:05:51,785 to about getting access. 120 00:05:51,819 --> 00:05:53,754 I think that as Holmes' great, great grandson, 121 00:05:53,787 --> 00:05:55,789 you should try to set up a meeting with him. 122 00:05:55,823 --> 00:05:57,591 And in the meantime, we should pick up Holmes' trail 123 00:05:57,625 --> 00:05:58,759 where we left off. 124 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:01,862 If a gap in his timeline reflects when he was in London, 125 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:04,031 we should be able to pick his timeline back up 126 00:06:04,064 --> 00:06:06,934 when he returns to Chicago in the spring of 1889. 127 00:06:06,967 --> 00:06:08,702 - Great. 128 00:06:08,736 --> 00:06:11,872 Our Chicago investigation into Holmes' paper trail 129 00:06:11,905 --> 00:06:14,975 revealed a gap in his whereabouts at 130 00:06:15,008 --> 00:06:16,777 as the Ripper murders. 131 00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:19,112 The evidence we found in London supports the theory 132 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:20,981 that Holmes was there when the 133 00:06:21,014 --> 00:06:22,883 Ripper killings were occurring. 134 00:06:22,916 --> 00:06:24,718 But to truly connect the two killers, 135 00:06:24,752 --> 00:06:26,720 we need to look for any traces of the Ripper 136 00:06:26,754 --> 00:06:28,689 and what Holmes did next. 137 00:06:30,824 --> 00:06:33,527 - [Narrator] In Chicago in the spring of 1889, 138 00:06:33,561 --> 00:06:36,830 HH Holmes hires construction crews to convert his property 139 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:39,967 on 63rd and Wallace into what we now know 140 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,769 as the Murder Castle. 141 00:06:41,802 --> 00:06:44,538 His sinister intent was to build a place to kill 142 00:06:44,572 --> 00:06:47,641 and dissect his victims in private. 143 00:06:47,675 --> 00:06:51,044 - His intentions for this building were definitely 144 00:06:51,078 --> 00:06:54,782 for murder and disposing of human remains. 145 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:56,584 - [Narrator] To find answers about physical evidence 146 00:06:56,617 --> 00:06:58,652 that might still be buried at the site, 147 00:06:58,686 --> 00:07:00,688 Jeff and Amaryllis meet with a documentarian 148 00:07:00,721 --> 00:07:04,124 and historian who is an expert on the Castle. 149 00:07:04,157 --> 00:07:06,660 - He had ideally constructed this building 150 00:07:06,694 --> 00:07:09,497 not only for murder and the disposal of human bodies 151 00:07:09,530 --> 00:07:12,199 but for him to enact his pleasure in privacy 152 00:07:12,232 --> 00:07:13,734 with these victims. 153 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:16,904 - That's an interesting point to me because 154 00:07:16,937 --> 00:07:19,172 we are just back from London and there, 155 00:07:19,206 --> 00:07:21,074 we were looking at the Whitechapel murders 156 00:07:21,108 --> 00:07:23,143 and the fifth Jack the Ripper victim 157 00:07:23,176 --> 00:07:26,680 is so much more mutilated because 158 00:07:26,714 --> 00:07:29,517 the fifth victim, Mary Kelly is the only victim 159 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:31,819 that was killed in private. 160 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:35,222 I have to wonder if this was kind of a killer 161 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:37,825 in his adolescence who is developing his taste 162 00:07:37,858 --> 00:07:39,527 and his desires and if you take that to its 163 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,862 logical conclusion as an industrious, 164 00:07:41,895 --> 00:07:45,833 entrepreneurial psychopath, creating your own hotel full 165 00:07:45,866 --> 00:07:50,203 of such private rooms would be an interesting next step. 166 00:07:50,237 --> 00:07:53,073 - We've learned that the 1895 police investigation 167 00:07:53,106 --> 00:07:55,943 of the Murder Castle wasn't at all thorough. 168 00:07:55,976 --> 00:07:58,278 So, it's possible the police missed critical evidence 169 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:01,048 that could connect Holmes to Jack the Ripper. 170 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:04,818 And that evidence might still be buried underground today. 171 00:08:04,852 --> 00:08:06,253 - It's straight out of the mind 172 00:08:06,286 --> 00:08:08,288 of Edgar Allen Poe when you look at this. 173 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:12,726 It is definitely not out of Architectural Digest. 174 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,695 On the first floor, there were shops and there was 175 00:08:14,728 --> 00:08:16,697 a jewelry store, a drug store on the corner 176 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:18,666 and a blacksmith's shop. 177 00:08:20,067 --> 00:08:23,637 When you go up on the second floor there were many rooms, 178 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:26,173 purposely built to disorient people and maybe victims 179 00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:28,576 that got away from him. 180 00:08:28,609 --> 00:08:32,279 For instance, you walk into this room which has five doors. 181 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:37,685 You would open the door and it is a brick wall. 182 00:08:37,718 --> 00:08:39,587 And when he was constructing the building he would 183 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:42,690 repeatedly hire and fire construction crews 184 00:08:42,723 --> 00:08:44,758 so no one knew the full layout. 185 00:08:44,792 --> 00:08:46,159 - [Amaryllis] Wow. 186 00:08:47,928 --> 00:08:49,730 - if you go up to the third floor 187 00:08:49,763 --> 00:08:52,032 that is where Holmes had rented rooms and these rooms 188 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:54,034 these rooms were lined with asbestos 189 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:55,202 to make them sound proof. 190 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:59,206 Well, why, because he had gas lines coming from his office 191 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:02,610 which he could gas people in their sleep. 192 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:07,214 It was an odorless, colorless gas that would slowly 193 00:09:07,247 --> 00:09:09,883 shut down the victim's central nervous system. 194 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:12,986 This was perfect way to kill an unsuspecting guest 195 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:15,122 with no struggle and without alerting any 196 00:09:15,155 --> 00:09:17,758 of the other residents of the castle. 197 00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:19,192 Essentially, turning his office into 198 00:09:19,226 --> 00:09:21,228 a command center of death. 199 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:25,833 - Was there ever any evidence of a murder 200 00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:27,835 being committed in the building? 201 00:09:27,868 --> 00:09:29,603 - No, and that is how much of an evil 202 00:09:29,637 --> 00:09:31,705 criminal genius Holmes was. 203 00:09:34,307 --> 00:09:36,209 He knew how to cover up everything. 204 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:38,345 He had this hidden chute running from the roof 205 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:41,649 to the basement for a way of quickly disposing 206 00:09:41,682 --> 00:09:42,716 of the bodies. 207 00:09:45,753 --> 00:09:47,254 The basement was the most frightening place 208 00:09:47,287 --> 00:09:49,623 in the whole building. Because they found 209 00:09:49,657 --> 00:09:51,625 quicklime vats down there. 210 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:56,897 Holmes may have used these in conjunction with acid baths 211 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:59,800 to dissolve human flesh and as a chemist 212 00:09:59,833 --> 00:10:01,902 he would have realized that a lesser known use 213 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:04,805 for quicklime is to prevent odor. 214 00:10:04,838 --> 00:10:07,074 This would have been extremely important if Holmes 215 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:11,111 was hoarding body parts in the Murder Castle basement. 216 00:10:11,144 --> 00:10:14,281 And supposedly he did have this crematorium 217 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:17,184 that he said was for glass bending but it was about 218 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:19,820 the size of the human body. 219 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:20,954 - Hearing that the Murder Castle 220 00:10:20,988 --> 00:10:23,256 was specifically designed not just to kill but also 221 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:26,393 to destroy evidence is really discouraging. 222 00:10:26,426 --> 00:10:28,328 Because evidence is exactly what we need to definitely 223 00:10:28,361 --> 00:10:30,263 prove Jeff's theory. 224 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:33,133 The good news is if we can get access to that lawn, 225 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:36,269 modern equipment is so advanced that it may find traces 226 00:10:36,303 --> 00:10:37,805 of the murders that Holmes didn't know 227 00:10:37,838 --> 00:10:39,840 he was leaving behind. 228 00:10:39,873 --> 00:10:41,875 - Where did these bodies go, were they burned? 229 00:10:41,909 --> 00:10:43,176 Were they sold as skeletons? 230 00:10:43,210 --> 00:10:45,045 Were they buried somewhere? 231 00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:47,681 They are gone, though, those people disappeared. 232 00:10:47,715 --> 00:10:55,022 (dramatic theme music) 233 00:10:55,055 --> 00:10:58,125 - This is the industrialization of murder. 234 00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:02,329 This is the Henry Ford model of killing human beings. 235 00:11:02,362 --> 00:11:05,465 You check them in and you send them to the basement 236 00:11:05,498 --> 00:11:09,369 and who knows what becomes of their remains after that. 237 00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:11,471 - [Narrator] The swindler and criminal mastermind known 238 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:14,174 as HH Holmes is rumored to have murdered hundreds 239 00:11:14,207 --> 00:11:17,745 of people inside his three story murder castle. 240 00:11:17,778 --> 00:11:19,479 Now, his great, great grandson, 241 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:23,050 Jeff Mudgett and ex CIA operative Amaryllis Fox 242 00:11:23,083 --> 00:11:25,853 are chasing down leads to determine if any evidence 243 00:11:25,886 --> 00:11:27,988 connected to Jack the Ripper might still be buried 244 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:29,857 on the castle grounds. 245 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:32,860 - The idea of being able to actually analyze 246 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:36,764 fresh physical evidence that hasn't been contaminated 247 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:39,366 becomes incredibly intriguing. 248 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:42,035 - If properly excavated there is the potential 249 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:44,304 for history changing evidence. 250 00:11:45,873 --> 00:11:48,075 HH Holmes may have slaughtered hundreds of victims 251 00:11:48,108 --> 00:11:51,979 in the Murder Castle which was torn down in the 1930s. 252 00:11:52,012 --> 00:11:55,015 The government later built a post office on the plot 253 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:57,417 and part of the Murder Castle basement would have lined up 254 00:11:57,450 --> 00:12:01,354 exactly with the post office front lawn. 255 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:02,990 - Given that we are talking about the end 256 00:12:03,023 --> 00:12:08,295 of the 19th century, it seems unlikely that a home furnace 257 00:12:08,328 --> 00:12:12,199 could fully destroy a human body and if that's the case, 258 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:14,434 we're looking at a potential treasure trove 259 00:12:14,467 --> 00:12:16,770 of physical evidence and body parts. 260 00:12:16,804 --> 00:12:20,140 So I'd like to go check out what furnaces at the time 261 00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:23,143 were capable of and get a sense of whether 262 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:25,412 it's reasonable that there might actually 263 00:12:25,445 --> 00:12:27,781 be human remains under that lawn. 264 00:12:27,815 --> 00:12:29,082 - [Jeff] I'm looking forward to pleading my case 265 00:12:29,116 --> 00:12:30,550 at the post office. 266 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:34,021 (dramatic theme music) 267 00:12:35,388 --> 00:12:37,490 Because the Murder Castle used to stand on grounds 268 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:40,193 now owned by the Post Office, there's more than the usual 269 00:12:40,227 --> 00:12:42,462 amount of legal hurdles to overcome 270 00:12:42,495 --> 00:12:44,832 before they'll let us dig there. 271 00:12:44,865 --> 00:12:47,167 Finally meeting with someone with the legal authority 272 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,937 to make this happen is a huge step. 273 00:12:51,171 --> 00:12:53,540 (train horn sounding) 274 00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:56,844 (generator running) 275 00:12:56,877 --> 00:12:59,412 - Wow, the heat is really overwhelming 276 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,548 when you stand near it. 277 00:13:01,581 --> 00:13:03,583 - [Narrator] While Jeff meets with post office officials 278 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:07,054 to secure permission to excavate the Murder Castle site, 279 00:13:07,087 --> 00:13:10,157 Amaryllis visits a local crematory to investigate 280 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:12,826 whether any human remains could have survived. 281 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:16,596 - Our cremation units go to 1600 dgrees 282 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,398 and a normal human body 283 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:22,235 takes about two hours to cremate. 284 00:13:23,971 --> 00:13:25,873 - [Narrator] Newspaper accounts describe the murder castle's 285 00:13:25,906 --> 00:13:30,277 furnace as large enough to accommodate a human body. 286 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:33,413 - We brought some bone and muscle and flesh 287 00:13:33,446 --> 00:13:37,117 from a pig and so I was hoping that we could see whether 288 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:40,220 the remains could be entirely burned up or whether something 289 00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:41,088 is left over. 290 00:13:41,121 --> 00:13:42,856 - Alright. 291 00:13:42,890 --> 00:13:45,258 - [Narrator] Scientists often substitute pig bones 292 00:13:45,292 --> 00:13:48,061 for human bones in forensic research because of their 293 00:13:48,095 --> 00:13:51,364 similar structure and bone density. 294 00:13:51,398 --> 00:13:54,067 Both have comparable rates of decomposition 295 00:13:54,101 --> 00:13:57,270 and reactions to stressors, such as heat. 296 00:13:57,304 --> 00:14:01,141 (soft dramatic theme) 297 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:03,010 - Wow, look at that. 298 00:14:03,043 --> 00:14:06,246 - Just stand away for a minute. 299 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:09,482 - It's different from how I expected them to look. 300 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:12,585 You're still left with very recognizable human bones 301 00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:13,320 as the remains. 302 00:14:13,353 --> 00:14:14,988 I mean this wasn't an efficient 303 00:14:15,022 --> 00:14:17,190 or successful way of getting rid of a body. 304 00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:18,625 - No. 305 00:14:18,658 --> 00:14:20,527 - It sounds like a wood burning furnace 306 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,396 was in the basement of Holmes' Murder Castle. 307 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:26,166 Would that be equivalent heat to this furnace? 308 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:27,067 - No. 309 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,902 I'd be very surprised if he could have got 310 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:32,639 a wood burning stove up to 1600 degrees, 311 00:14:32,672 --> 00:14:35,542 and then held it consistently for an hour. 312 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,244 - That would have been a lot of wood. 313 00:14:37,277 --> 00:14:38,545 - You'd have to use a lot 314 00:14:38,578 --> 00:14:39,646 of wood you had. - That's a lot of wood. 315 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,082 - He just couldn't put the body and throw some wood 316 00:14:42,115 --> 00:14:43,416 on it and leave. 317 00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:47,554 - So, is the exhaust that comes from the burning 318 00:14:47,587 --> 00:14:50,457 of human remains, does it have a certain odor that 319 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:54,061 in a residential environment would be noticeable? 320 00:14:54,094 --> 00:14:56,329 - If it didn't have the equipment that we have today, 321 00:14:56,363 --> 00:14:57,430 it certainly would. 322 00:14:57,464 --> 00:14:59,532 - It's a very pungent odor. 323 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,668 - Well, this is tremendously helpful to me, 324 00:15:01,701 --> 00:15:04,037 because it's actually a very different result 325 00:15:04,071 --> 00:15:06,139 from what we would have expected. 326 00:15:06,173 --> 00:15:07,507 The fact that it would be incredibly difficult 327 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:10,010 to dispose of human bones by burning them, 328 00:15:10,043 --> 00:15:12,112 convinces me that an excavation might allow us 329 00:15:12,145 --> 00:15:14,114 to find the physical evidence we need. 330 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:17,084 If this was the disposal process he was trying 331 00:15:17,117 --> 00:15:20,954 to use, that there would be fragments remaining. 332 00:15:22,489 --> 00:15:25,358 (soft dramatic theme) 333 00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:27,427 (phone ringing from other end) 334 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:28,628 Jeff, how did it go? 335 00:15:28,661 --> 00:15:29,662 - [Jeff] I think it went well. 336 00:15:29,696 --> 00:15:32,399 We should have an answer in the next few days. 337 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:33,566 - [Amaryllis] That is great news because 338 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,469 given what I've learned about 19th century furnaces today, 339 00:15:36,503 --> 00:15:39,339 we are definitely going to find evidence under that ground. 340 00:15:39,372 --> 00:15:42,009 - [Jeff] Great, see you soon. 341 00:15:42,042 --> 00:15:46,246 (dramatic theme music) 342 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,481 - What I'd really like now that we're back is to begin 343 00:15:48,515 --> 00:15:51,751 to build out Holmes' timeline starting in 1889. 344 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:52,785 - [Adam] Alright. 345 00:15:52,819 --> 00:15:54,521 - [Narrator] Some speculate the castle claimed 346 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:57,024 as many as 200 lives, but its true 347 00:15:57,057 --> 00:15:59,292 body count remains unverified. 348 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:02,095 - This was boomtown Chicago. 349 00:16:02,129 --> 00:16:04,431 He saw it as a chance to make money. 350 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:05,565 - [Narrator] Jeff and Amaryllis connect 351 00:16:05,598 --> 00:16:08,535 with Chicago historian, Adam Selzer, 352 00:16:08,568 --> 00:16:13,340 to look for clues hidden in the trail of Holmes' many cons. 353 00:16:13,373 --> 00:16:15,375 - Holmes was up to any number of scams. 354 00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:16,409 All these furniture companies, 355 00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:18,245 all these insurance companies. 356 00:16:18,278 --> 00:16:21,181 We've got the ABC Copier company that he was borrowing money 357 00:16:21,214 --> 00:16:23,316 on and never actually paying back. 358 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:25,352 - So, this was a legitimate company? 359 00:16:25,385 --> 00:16:27,154 - It was more or less a legitimate company, 360 00:16:27,187 --> 00:16:29,756 he just didn't legitimately own it. 361 00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:34,161 They did this over and over again, 362 00:16:34,194 --> 00:16:37,030 buying things on credit and then never paying for it. 363 00:16:37,064 --> 00:16:40,167 I found at least 60 lawsuits in Chicago alone that this guy 364 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,368 ended up in. 365 00:16:41,401 --> 00:16:44,204 Just all of these scams, this one is from borrowing money 366 00:16:44,237 --> 00:16:46,206 to add a third story to the building 367 00:16:46,239 --> 00:16:47,707 from a couple of residents. 368 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,443 Which, unbeknownst to them, helped to fund the Castle. 369 00:16:50,477 --> 00:16:52,279 Which he then never paid back. 370 00:16:52,312 --> 00:16:55,148 This one is about buying barber shop goods 371 00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:58,551 to outfit the place which he also never actually paid back. 372 00:16:58,585 --> 00:17:00,787 Then he was selling this and he said it was mineral water 373 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:03,190 that he got out of an artesian well in the basement. 374 00:17:03,223 --> 00:17:05,158 It is regular tap water. 375 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:09,262 - The real amazing story bout Holmes is not 376 00:17:09,296 --> 00:17:12,565 the serial killer aspect, it's the con, it's the fraud. 377 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:16,303 It's the man who manipulated everyone in his life. 378 00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:18,305 - They were calling him things like the King of Criminals 379 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:20,240 and the arch fiend of the century before they 380 00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:22,509 suspected him of a single murder. 381 00:17:24,111 --> 00:17:27,547 - When does he go from being a skilled legal trickster 382 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:30,517 and scam artist to taking human life? 383 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:32,819 - [Adam] Well, the Conners were the first 384 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:34,521 of the allegedly murders that could have taken place 385 00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:36,323 in the castle. 386 00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:38,425 That would be Julia and Pearl Conner. 387 00:17:38,458 --> 00:17:39,659 - [Amaryllis] Pearl's the daughter? 388 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:40,793 - Pearl is the daughter, yes. 389 00:17:40,827 --> 00:17:42,662 Julia and her husband had come 390 00:17:42,695 --> 00:17:45,532 to live in the castle building. Her husband Ned was working 391 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:46,799 in the jewelry department. 392 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,335 She ended up keeping the books 393 00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:50,270 and also having an affair with Holmes. 394 00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:51,304 - Wow. 395 00:17:51,338 --> 00:17:53,173 Where was the husband, was the affair going on 396 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:54,174 right under his nose? 397 00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:57,344 - For a little while, yeah, but then he left. 398 00:17:57,377 --> 00:17:59,579 - So Adam, why did he kill the Conners? 399 00:17:59,612 --> 00:18:02,415 - Most likely it was because she just knew too much. 400 00:18:02,449 --> 00:18:04,817 She was keeping the books at the Murder Castle, and Holmes 401 00:18:04,851 --> 00:18:06,319 was up to any number of scams that she might have 402 00:18:06,353 --> 00:18:08,221 found out about. 403 00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:12,159 Julia and Pearl then disappeared around Christmas of 1891. 404 00:18:14,161 --> 00:18:15,295 - [Amaryllis] Pearl looks quite young here. 405 00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:17,364 - She would have been about six when she disappeared. 406 00:18:17,397 --> 00:18:18,831 - Wow. 407 00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:20,667 What did Holmes say happened to them? 408 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,702 - Holmes was fairly consistent in saying that Julia 409 00:18:22,735 --> 00:18:24,571 died in an abortion. 410 00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:28,107 (dramatic and tense theme) 411 00:18:29,676 --> 00:18:32,879 Then he had to get rid of the kid too. 412 00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:34,881 Most likely he would have put Julia and Pearl down 413 00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:36,549 with the chloroform and then just going 414 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:38,185 with the chloroform. 415 00:18:39,486 --> 00:18:41,321 Now, when they were digging up the castle 416 00:18:41,354 --> 00:18:43,290 a few years later, they started finding bones 417 00:18:43,323 --> 00:18:45,758 that appeared to a six year old child. 418 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:47,360 - [Jeff] No kidding. 419 00:18:47,394 --> 00:18:48,428 - If the police at the time found bones 420 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:50,930 in the murder castle basement, it supports the theory 421 00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:53,233 that the furnace couldn't get hot enough to process 422 00:18:53,266 --> 00:18:54,601 all these bodies. 423 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,236 He must have had to dispose of them in a variety 424 00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:58,871 of different ways, including burial. 425 00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:01,374 - So if Pearl's body was buried underground, 426 00:19:01,408 --> 00:19:02,909 what did he do with Julia? 427 00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:05,778 - While the police were digging up the castle in 1895, 428 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,947 they brought in this supposedly witnessed, 429 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:11,284 they called him the machinist or a bone rigger? 430 00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:13,820 He bought several dead bodies from HH Holmes to turn 431 00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:17,190 into skeletons which could then be sold to medical schools. 432 00:19:17,224 --> 00:19:19,359 - [Amaryllis] And one of those we think was Julia? 433 00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:20,827 - Presumably, yeah. 434 00:19:22,762 --> 00:19:24,864 In one of the descriptions he says the body looked like 435 00:19:24,897 --> 00:19:28,401 that of a jackrabbit which is been skinned by splitting 436 00:19:28,435 --> 00:19:30,470 the skin down the base and rolling it back off 437 00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:31,704 the entire body. 438 00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:34,407 - Wow. 439 00:19:34,441 --> 00:19:38,711 That's not the Holmes I had been imagining at all. 440 00:19:38,745 --> 00:19:42,615 Jeff, that's similar to what we have seen with Mary Kelly, 441 00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:50,823 the fifth Jack the Ripper victim. 442 00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:55,228 - Hearing of a body laid horizontal and the skin removed 443 00:19:55,262 --> 00:19:58,331 and flayed open like a jackrabbit is pretty striking. 444 00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:01,268 Jack the Ripper's victims were all cut open along 445 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:05,505 the abdomen and splayed in that exact same fashion. 446 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,907 This makes me wonder if Holmes could have been conducting 447 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:11,344 the same kind of savage killings as Jack but because 448 00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:13,313 it was in his own hotel, in his own castle, 449 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:14,514 it was never really known to the public. 450 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:15,615 - Yeah. 451 00:20:15,648 --> 00:20:17,984 - Especially when you consider Holmes in the basement. 452 00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:20,420 He had complete privacy there. 453 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:24,624 - What I really want to get my hands on 454 00:20:24,657 --> 00:20:26,326 is more physical evidence. 455 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,496 And for that we really need sites where we know that 456 00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:30,863 Holmes was active. 457 00:20:30,897 --> 00:20:33,300 - He was active all over the country, 458 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,902 he had some scams going in St. Louis for a while, 459 00:20:35,935 --> 00:20:39,839 several months in Fort Worth, Philadelphia. 460 00:20:39,872 --> 00:20:42,509 He went to New York several times, 461 00:20:42,542 --> 00:20:44,677 stayed at the Aster House, very fancy. 462 00:20:44,711 --> 00:20:46,446 Right around 1893. 463 00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:49,782 There was a woman named Mae Barretts who apparently met 464 00:20:49,816 --> 00:20:53,686 HH Holmes, went to work for him in New York and disappeared. 465 00:20:55,322 --> 00:20:57,757 - Well that's interesting. 466 00:20:57,790 --> 00:20:59,826 We've been hearing story after story of victims 467 00:20:59,859 --> 00:21:02,329 of Holmes disappearing in the murder castle. 468 00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:04,063 But knowing that an employee of Holmes disappeared 469 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:06,833 in New York is an interesting lead. 470 00:21:06,866 --> 00:21:08,368 This may mean that there are more victims 471 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:10,503 than we originally thought and potentially 472 00:21:10,537 --> 00:21:12,605 more crime scenes. 473 00:21:12,639 --> 00:21:15,007 - He covered his tracks really well when he was in New York. 474 00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:16,743 Most of the time he was traveling around I have 475 00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,845 a pretty good idea what he was doing in the city. 476 00:21:18,878 --> 00:21:21,381 New York is total mystery every time. 477 00:21:21,414 --> 00:21:23,316 There is documentation that he took multiple trips 478 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:25,752 between 1889 and 1894. 479 00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:28,321 One interesting gap for me is towards the middle 480 00:21:28,355 --> 00:21:30,056 of spring of 1891. 481 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:32,925 There is not much data for him for a couple of weeks there. 482 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:34,961 - Holmes being unaccounted for in New York 483 00:21:34,994 --> 00:21:37,597 is an interesting thread for me. 484 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,632 - I'd like to do some more research on crimes 485 00:21:39,666 --> 00:21:43,403 that were occurring there that might have a similar MO. 486 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:46,606 (dramatic theme music) 487 00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:53,380 - Looking through media clippings and newspaper reports 488 00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:54,881 is our best bet to see the if there's any evidence 489 00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:56,949 of similar crimes in New York. 490 00:21:56,983 --> 00:21:58,918 - [Narrator] At the Chicago Public Library, 491 00:21:58,951 --> 00:22:01,821 Jeff and Amaryllis access a database of local media 492 00:22:01,854 --> 00:22:04,924 and police reports from the spring of 1891. 493 00:22:04,957 --> 00:22:06,859 They're searching for any unsolved murders 494 00:22:06,893 --> 00:22:10,397 in New York City that could be the work of HH Holmes. 495 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:14,367 - This is the first of the results I found for New York. 496 00:22:15,402 --> 00:22:16,969 Killed and Boiled her. 497 00:22:17,003 --> 00:22:18,805 This is the slaughter of a little girl. 498 00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:22,975 Holmes had interesting means of disposing of his victims, 499 00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:25,945 though the MO seems a little off to me. 500 00:22:25,978 --> 00:22:28,781 This is a multi victim murder spree. 501 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:32,885 - [Jeff] That's not really Holmes' style either. 502 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:36,889 - Holmes was a sophisticated, premeditative killer, 503 00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:38,891 who mutilated his victims. 504 00:22:38,925 --> 00:22:41,160 So we're looking for privately executed killings 505 00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:45,031 where the body appears to have been dissected. 506 00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:46,032 No link there. 507 00:22:46,065 --> 00:22:46,966 - I agree. 508 00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:50,002 - [Amaryllis] That string of murders was in fact, solved. 509 00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:51,738 - So we can eliminate that from our list. 510 00:22:51,771 --> 00:22:52,872 That wasn't Holmes. 511 00:22:52,905 --> 00:22:54,874 - Yeah, this one's interesting. 512 00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:57,510 Choked then mutilated, 513 00:22:57,544 --> 00:23:00,613 body horribly slashed and disemboweled. 514 00:23:00,647 --> 00:23:04,417 That really doesound more like Holmes' killing style. 515 00:23:04,451 --> 00:23:07,887 This is 1891, so it's an appropriate time period 516 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,556 for Holmes to be in New York. 517 00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:11,658 The murder was committed on the southeast corner 518 00:23:11,691 --> 00:23:15,127 of Catherine and Water Street, in the East River Hotel. 519 00:23:15,161 --> 00:23:16,262 - Wait a minute. 520 00:23:16,295 --> 00:23:18,665 That's very close to the Astor House where Holmes liked 521 00:23:18,698 --> 00:23:20,099 to stay when he was in New York City. 522 00:23:20,132 --> 00:23:20,900 - Oh, really? 523 00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:21,868 - Yes. 524 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:23,870 - So, her name was Carrie Brown. 525 00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:26,105 The victim was an aged woman. 526 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:29,108 There were marks about her throat, 527 00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:31,744 before the mutilations were performed. 528 00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:34,847 It says on the back was a mark like an X. 529 00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:36,983 - That's the same as the fourth ripper murder. 530 00:23:37,016 --> 00:23:40,753 Catherine Eddows, the X on her cheek. 531 00:23:40,787 --> 00:23:45,024 - This was evidently the murderer's sign. 532 00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:46,993 Many of the details recall the crimes with 533 00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:49,962 which Jack the Ripper horrified London. 534 00:23:52,131 --> 00:23:55,167 The crime remains unsolved. 535 00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:57,136 This is crazy, the police at the time really thought 536 00:23:57,169 --> 00:24:00,840 this murder was committed by Jack the Ripper. 537 00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:05,912 Scotland Yard came over to New York to follow 538 00:24:05,945 --> 00:24:09,882 that potential lead and Holmes was in New York at the time. 539 00:24:15,254 --> 00:24:17,824 It's worth me going and digging though records 540 00:24:17,857 --> 00:24:19,559 in New York and seeing whether we can turn up 541 00:24:19,592 --> 00:24:20,993 some more information. 542 00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:22,562 - I'm gonna stick around in Chicago in case there's 543 00:24:22,595 --> 00:24:24,697 an answer on our dig. 544 00:24:24,731 --> 00:24:27,133 I'm gonna give up on getting the government 545 00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:30,903 to allow us to excavate the Post Office grounds. 546 00:24:32,204 --> 00:24:35,542 (dramatic theme music) 547 00:24:36,743 --> 00:24:37,977 - This remains an open 548 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:38,945 - Yes. 549 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:41,714 case on New York Police Department books. 550 00:24:41,748 --> 00:24:42,549 - Yes, right. 551 00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:43,850 Cases are never closed until we have 552 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:45,818 the actual perpetrator. 553 00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:47,520 - [Narrator] In New York City, Amaryllis connects 554 00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:50,723 with former NYPD detective, Ike Illkiw, 555 00:24:50,757 --> 00:24:53,192 an expert on the unsolved murder of Carrie Brown to get 556 00:24:53,225 --> 00:24:55,528 the facts on the case. 557 00:24:55,562 --> 00:24:58,831 - From a detective's mind, could you walk me through 558 00:24:58,865 --> 00:25:01,033 what happened with Carrie Brown? 559 00:25:01,067 --> 00:25:02,902 (woman laughing) 560 00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:05,838 - [Ike] We're talking about April 1891 and Carrie Brown was 561 00:25:05,872 --> 00:25:09,208 a prostitute working on the East River. 562 00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:10,810 - [Amaryllis] And we know the Ripper targeted prostitutes 563 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:13,012 as his victims in White Chapel. 564 00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:15,882 - So apparently she had picked up a male, brought him up 565 00:25:15,915 --> 00:25:18,951 to room 31, at what was then the East River Hotel. 566 00:25:18,985 --> 00:25:21,854 (woman laughing) 567 00:25:21,888 --> 00:25:24,891 She wasn't found until the next morning when the girl 568 00:25:24,924 --> 00:25:26,826 that was hired to clean the room went up and there was 569 00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:28,227 no answer to the door. 570 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:29,261 To the knock. 571 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:33,065 - Does she provide any witness statement? 572 00:25:33,099 --> 00:25:35,602 - All it says is not the slightest noise was heard 573 00:25:35,635 --> 00:25:38,270 during the night from the chamber, but in the morning 574 00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:39,606 when a servant rapped on the door 575 00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:41,741 the summons was unanswered. 576 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,110 With the assistance of the porter, burst open the door. 577 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:45,578 The woman was found in bed, quite dead 578 00:25:45,612 --> 00:25:47,814 and covered with blood. 579 00:25:47,847 --> 00:25:50,249 (woman crying) 580 00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:55,254 - So, why do people believe that Carrie Brown might have 581 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:56,455 been a Ripper victim? 582 00:25:56,488 --> 00:26:00,126 - She was disemboweled, her intestines had been removed. 583 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:01,728 - [Amaryllis] Is there a coroner's report? 584 00:26:01,761 --> 00:26:02,695 - [Ike] Yeah. 585 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,198 Her abdomen had been ripped open by a dull, 586 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:09,101 broken table knife which was found in the room. 587 00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:11,871 Part of the intestines had been removed and are missing. 588 00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:14,140 - [Amaryllis] So, an organ was removed, hm. 589 00:26:14,173 --> 00:26:15,708 Was her throat slit? 590 00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:17,043 - No, it was strangulation by clothing, 591 00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:18,911 according to the coroner's report. 592 00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:22,281 - That's interesting because from what I learned 593 00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:26,118 from investigators in London, each of the five canonical 594 00:26:26,152 --> 00:26:30,322 Ripper victims were killed by strangulation 595 00:26:30,356 --> 00:26:32,391 and, or the cutting of the throat. 596 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,192 -Right. 597 00:26:34,961 --> 00:26:37,263 Was she disemboweled from between the legs 598 00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:38,097 up through the abdomen? 599 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:40,733 - It would appear so. 600 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:42,702 - That is strikingly similar to 601 00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:43,602 [Ike] Right. 602 00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,272 Jack the Ripper's killings in London. 603 00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:49,776 This is a picture of Catherine Eddowes, 604 00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:52,712 who of course had been disemboweled and her uterus 605 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:54,914 and her kidney had been removed. 606 00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:57,283 What strikes me comparing the Catherine Eddowes 607 00:26:57,316 --> 00:27:00,953 and Carrie Brown autopsy photos, is that they both have 608 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:05,291 this cadaver on the dissection table feel to them. 609 00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:11,698 HH Holmes had a long history of dissecting cadavers. 610 00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,266 Holmes was described as opening up his cadavers 611 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,970 like a jackrabbit being dissected. 612 00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:21,073 And that is not a bad description for both 613 00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:24,143 Carrie Brown and Catherine Eddowes. 614 00:27:24,176 --> 00:27:25,745 Assuming that Carrie Brown was a victim 615 00:27:25,778 --> 00:27:28,147 of Jack the Ripper in America, then proving that Holmes 616 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:30,149 killed Carrie Brown means proving that 617 00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:32,018 Holmes is the Ripper. 618 00:27:32,051 --> 00:27:34,687 Why Holmes would execute this particular killing outside 619 00:27:34,721 --> 00:27:36,388 of the Murder Castle, we don't know. 620 00:27:36,422 --> 00:27:38,991 But it's a fascinating find. 621 00:27:39,025 --> 00:27:41,227 - What I always find interesting is the, where it says here, 622 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:44,931 the characteristics of this tragedy are so exactly similar 623 00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:47,800 to the White Chapel murders that the police confidently 624 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:56,675 express the belief that the murderer is Jack the Ripper. 625 00:27:59,378 --> 00:28:02,314 - Carrie Brown was a quintessential Ripper victim. 626 00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:05,051 She was a prostitute, she was strangled 627 00:28:05,084 --> 00:28:07,987 and disemboweled indoors, just like the fifth 628 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:09,321 Jack the Ripper killing. 629 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:11,290 Class Jack M.O. 630 00:28:11,323 --> 00:28:13,926 - [Narrator] Amaryllis returns to Chicago to debrief Jeff 631 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,095 on her New York investigation while they wait 632 00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:18,765 for news on the Murder Castle dig. 633 00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,433 - So more Holmes Ripper coincidences. 634 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,770 - I mean they do keep piling up. 635 00:28:23,803 --> 00:28:26,739 And I think we can say from this that it validates 636 00:28:26,773 --> 00:28:31,043 our theory that Jack the Ripper may have been an American 637 00:28:31,077 --> 00:28:33,445 and that his killing may have picked up in the United States 638 00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:34,881 after it stopped in London. 639 00:28:34,914 --> 00:28:36,749 - Hold on, this might be the post office. 640 00:28:36,783 --> 00:28:38,250 - Yeah, Jeff Mudget. 641 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,289 Oh, thanks for calling. 642 00:28:43,322 --> 00:28:46,158 Do you have any word back on my request? 643 00:28:46,192 --> 00:28:47,927 - If Holmes really was Jack the Ripper, 644 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,262 this could be the only site where we can find evidence 645 00:28:50,296 --> 00:28:52,832 that links Holmes to the London murders. 646 00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:54,300 Gaining access to the castle lawn would be 647 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,069 a huge breakthrough in our investigation. 648 00:28:57,103 --> 00:28:59,872 - I appreciate the call. 649 00:28:59,906 --> 00:29:01,507 Goodbye. 650 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:03,810 - [Amaryllis] That didn't sound good. 651 00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:05,978 - No, they said no. 652 00:29:06,012 --> 00:29:07,914 Post office shut us down. 653 00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:10,850 They were concerned that the excavation would be 654 00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:13,019 a disruption of the mail and perhaps even a disservice 655 00:29:13,052 --> 00:29:15,221 to the community. 656 00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:17,456 - I mean, for any investigator to be told 657 00:29:17,489 --> 00:29:20,526 that you're investigating a multiple homicide 658 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,229 but you're not allowed access to the scene of the crime, 659 00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,131 is a really tough blow. 660 00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:29,468 If this were a case that that was open and active right now, 661 00:29:29,501 --> 00:29:32,504 we would be getting a different answer. 662 00:29:32,538 --> 00:29:35,007 - Getting underground at the Murder Castle was 663 00:29:35,041 --> 00:29:39,111 the best chance we had at proving Holmes was the Ripper. 664 00:29:39,145 --> 00:29:42,348 It sounds like an excavation is off the table for now. 665 00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:44,951 That is a big disappointment. 666 00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:46,853 I still have my fingers crossed that we'll get the chance 667 00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:49,088 one day if we keep up the pressure. 668 00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:50,389 - Cold cases are tough. 669 00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:52,859 There are always two steps forward, one step back. 670 00:29:52,892 --> 00:29:56,328 This is definitely a setback for our investigation. 671 00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:58,330 But we do have some evidence we haven't analyzed yet. 672 00:29:58,364 --> 00:30:01,233 We have a couple of letters from the Jack the Ripper 673 00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:04,436 killings that forensic linguists have told us may have been 674 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:05,905 written by an American. 675 00:30:05,938 --> 00:30:07,606 And at this stage we have many samples 676 00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,308 of Holmes' handwriting. 677 00:30:09,341 --> 00:30:12,311 So I've sent those to a forensic handwriting expert 678 00:30:12,344 --> 00:30:14,180 to see if there were any similarities 679 00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:16,248 that could prove or disprove your theory. 680 00:30:16,282 --> 00:30:19,051 - If we do get a positive match, that would go a long way 681 00:30:19,085 --> 00:30:22,521 to proving they are the same killer. 682 00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:25,858 (soft dramatic theme) 683 00:30:30,229 --> 00:30:32,865 - The normal lay person will look at letters. 684 00:30:32,899 --> 00:30:35,401 The letter L looks the same, the G looks the same, 685 00:30:35,434 --> 00:30:37,203 the T looks the same. 686 00:30:37,236 --> 00:30:41,040 What the expert does, we'll look at patterns. 687 00:30:41,073 --> 00:30:43,075 - [Narrator] Like fingerprints, handwriting is unique 688 00:30:43,109 --> 00:30:46,645 to each individual and different to fake or manipulate. 689 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:49,281 Forensic document examiners can identify criminals 690 00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:52,518 and forgeries by studying writing samples. 691 00:30:52,551 --> 00:30:54,153 - Could you give us a few examples of what it is 692 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:55,054 you look for? 693 00:30:55,087 --> 00:30:56,055 - Sure. 694 00:30:56,088 --> 00:30:58,190 In this particular case that I was working on 695 00:30:58,224 --> 00:31:01,627 when you came in, we look for common letters 696 00:31:01,660 --> 00:31:03,562 but we'll also look for common words. 697 00:31:03,595 --> 00:31:09,068 In the word, In, this looks like a U, but in fact it's an N. 698 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:12,071 We'll look at different height relationships between 699 00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:13,973 different letters, or, 700 00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:17,343 the skill and speed of the writer, to provide the basis 701 00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:20,079 for our identification or elimination 702 00:31:20,112 --> 00:31:21,613 of a particular writer. 703 00:31:21,647 --> 00:31:24,416 - And how much would this be a factor of education 704 00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:25,952 or of the time. 705 00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:28,487 For example, when we look at the older documents 706 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,324 and they are frequently kind of embellishments on capital 707 00:31:32,358 --> 00:31:35,294 letters that you wouldn't see in today's hand writing very 708 00:31:35,327 --> 00:31:39,331 frequently to our modernize we immediately believe 709 00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:41,233 that this is written by the same person. 710 00:31:41,267 --> 00:31:43,535 - That's a very good question. 711 00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:46,305 You have to be very careful at looking at something 712 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:49,408 and determining if this is very unique. 713 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:53,012 When, in fact it's not that individual characteristic but it 714 00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:55,514 is just a class characteristic of those writers 715 00:31:55,547 --> 00:31:57,416 from that time period. 716 00:31:57,449 --> 00:32:00,419 - How would you tell when letters are written 717 00:32:00,452 --> 00:32:02,654 by the same person who was intentionally trying 718 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,490 to mask their identity? 719 00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:10,162 - If I suspect a disguise, I will go right to the end, 720 00:32:10,196 --> 00:32:12,598 because it's very difficult to keep up the disguise 721 00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:15,001 from the beginning to the end. 722 00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,703 And then start from the end and work our way up. 723 00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:21,373 Then you'll see more of the natural writing of the person. 724 00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:25,177 - So, we have here two sets of letters. 725 00:32:25,211 --> 00:32:28,180 And we're interested in your professional opinion 726 00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:30,516 about whether or not they could have been penned 727 00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:32,051 by the same hand. 728 00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:33,252 - OK. 729 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:36,322 - How long does it take you to do this kind of analysis? 730 00:32:36,355 --> 00:32:38,524 - Generally about a week for us to turn it around. 731 00:32:38,557 --> 00:32:40,559 - [Amaryllis] Sounds good. 732 00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:43,762 (dramatic theme music) 733 00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:45,597 - [Narrator] With the handwriting analysis underway, 734 00:32:45,631 --> 00:32:47,633 Jeff and Amaryllis meet with Ray Johnson to plan 735 00:32:47,666 --> 00:32:49,601 their next move. 736 00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:51,070 - We've been officially shut down from digging under 737 00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:52,438 the post office. 738 00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:55,307 And the frustrating thing is that that lawn, 739 00:32:55,341 --> 00:32:57,276 where the Murder Castle used to stand, 740 00:32:57,309 --> 00:33:01,247 is the only repository of Holmes' victims. 741 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,016 - Well, I wouldn't say only. 742 00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:06,418 While the Murder Castle was one of Holmes 743 00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:09,655 most famous buildings, he did own property all over Chicago 744 00:33:09,688 --> 00:33:10,856 in fact all over the country. 745 00:33:10,889 --> 00:33:14,293 And the reason being was to cover up his various schemes. 746 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:17,096 Some of the properties he owned- were the Wilmette property 747 00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:20,299 which he owned with his second wife, Myrta Belknap. 748 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,269 A small farm just outside of Joliet. 749 00:33:23,302 --> 00:33:26,372 The glass bending factory in the North Side of Chicago. 750 00:33:26,405 --> 00:33:27,806 And everywhere that he owned real estate 751 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,476 you can be sure he was killing people. 752 00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:33,312 The unfortunate thing is that like the Murder Castle, 753 00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:37,483 the other locations that he operated in had been torn down 754 00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:40,419 to make room for condos and other buildings. 755 00:33:40,452 --> 00:33:43,822 So to be able to dig there would be next to impossible. 756 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:45,691 - [Jeff] So is there anywhere left that we could possibly 757 00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:48,427 find physical evidence. 758 00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:51,730 - Well, the one business that Holmes did own that might be 759 00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:54,833 worth investigating is the William Green & company. 760 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:57,803 Now, that is the location that I believe in 1892 he disposed 761 00:33:57,836 --> 00:34:01,207 of one of his victims, Emmeline Segrand. 762 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,177 She moved to the castle and started working for Holmes. 763 00:34:05,211 --> 00:34:08,114 She was a stenographer and secretary. 764 00:34:09,515 --> 00:34:12,584 All of a sudden out of nowhere this announcement hits 765 00:34:12,618 --> 00:34:14,420 the newspaper that she is getting married 766 00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:16,622 to someone named Robert Phelps. 767 00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:18,557 (flame raging) 768 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:20,426 And one of her friends is like, That's odd because I had 769 00:34:20,459 --> 00:34:23,162 contact with her on December 5th and 6th 770 00:34:23,195 --> 00:34:24,496 and she never mentioned anything. 771 00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:26,498 So, flags were going up all over the place. 772 00:34:26,532 --> 00:34:28,467 And then she disappeared. 773 00:34:30,736 --> 00:34:32,304 Now, when Holmes was approached about it, 774 00:34:32,338 --> 00:34:34,440 he said that she got married in Minnesota. 775 00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:37,376 At another point he said she got married in Michigan. 776 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:40,679 And then his story kept changing. 777 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:43,515 It wasn't until the actual investigation started that 778 00:34:43,549 --> 00:34:46,252 someone who worked at the castle mentioned that 779 00:34:46,285 --> 00:34:49,688 on December 7th they remember Holmes asking 780 00:34:51,323 --> 00:34:54,760 men to help him carry a very heavy trunk out of the castle. 781 00:34:57,463 --> 00:34:59,898 And where it went they weren't sure. 782 00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:01,833 - Where did they end up? 783 00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:05,571 - Well, that's when it gets really interesting. 784 00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:07,206 William Green and Company. 785 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,342 They were a warehouse facility in the business of storing 786 00:35:10,376 --> 00:35:12,878 and supposedly selling cement. 787 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,813 The funny thing is that they were buying a lot 788 00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:17,183 of cement but they never sold any. 789 00:35:17,216 --> 00:35:19,418 And check out the location of the factory. 790 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,487 - [Amaryllis] The warehouse is located on North Water St. 791 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,258 1600 feet east of St. Clair Street and running to the river. 792 00:35:26,292 --> 00:35:28,394 - It kind of made the hair stand up on my neck when I first 793 00:35:28,427 --> 00:35:30,562 saw where the warehouse was. 794 00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:34,500 If you're serial killer and you're trying to get rid 795 00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:38,370 of bodies, and you want to do it less conspicuously 796 00:35:38,404 --> 00:35:40,406 then let's say burning them up in a furnace 797 00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:42,708 in the murder Castle, it'd be much easier to dispose 798 00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:43,809 of bodies by... 799 00:35:45,777 --> 00:35:48,680 Incasing them in cement very easily and dropping 800 00:35:48,714 --> 00:35:50,682 them in the Chicago river 801 00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,355 (dramatic theme music) 802 00:35:56,388 --> 00:35:58,924 Holmes was tied to this business that had a warehouse 803 00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:02,428 along the Chicago River filled with cement. 804 00:36:02,461 --> 00:36:03,829 - [Narrator] On the hunt to prove HH Holmes 805 00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:06,698 is Jack the Ripper, a tip from Ray Johnson has opened up 806 00:36:06,732 --> 00:36:08,900 a new lead that could produce the physical evidence 807 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:12,304 Jeff and Amaryllis are looking for. 808 00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:14,306 They've arranged a meeting with an underwater 809 00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:16,842 reconnaissance team to uncover whether Holmes' cement 810 00:36:16,875 --> 00:36:19,778 warehouse on the Chicago River may have been a front 811 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,880 to conceal it's true purpose. 812 00:36:21,913 --> 00:36:23,815 Body disposal. 813 00:36:23,849 --> 00:36:26,718 - The area where the warehouse was located 814 00:36:26,752 --> 00:36:29,755 was on the north side of Chicago River just west 815 00:36:29,788 --> 00:36:31,390 of the mouth. 816 00:36:31,423 --> 00:36:33,759 What type of area was it? 817 00:36:33,792 --> 00:36:37,929 - In the late 1890s, that was all factories and this was all 818 00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:39,498 heavy industrial stuff. 819 00:36:39,531 --> 00:36:41,867 Now it is obviously not. 820 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,636 It's high-end hotels, residences. 821 00:36:45,737 --> 00:36:48,574 Totally changed from that period. 822 00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:51,810 Plus, the River itself has changed. 823 00:36:51,843 --> 00:36:52,911 - [Amaryllis] How do you mean? 824 00:36:52,944 --> 00:36:57,215 - Well, In 1892 they reversed the flow of the River. 825 00:36:58,717 --> 00:37:01,520 - [Narrator] While Chicago's industry booms in the 1870s 826 00:37:01,553 --> 00:37:04,656 and 80s, the drinking water the city relies on is being 827 00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:07,959 contaminated by sewage and commercial waste. 828 00:37:07,993 --> 00:37:12,030 In 1885, a heavy rainstorm flushes the polluted water into 829 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:15,534 the lake starting an epidemic of waterborne diseases 830 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:19,338 that kills nearly 12% of Chicago's population. 831 00:37:19,371 --> 00:37:22,408 The city begins a massive project to keep its water safe 832 00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:25,777 by reversing the flow of the Chicago River. 833 00:37:25,811 --> 00:37:28,847 It is regarded as one of the greatest engineering feats 834 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,916 of the 19th century. 835 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:33,485 - The Army Corp of engineers dredged the River 15 feet 836 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,621 deeper and it took them about seven years. 837 00:37:35,654 --> 00:37:36,888 - When they dredged the River, 838 00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:38,790 they dredged the entire river. 839 00:37:38,824 --> 00:37:40,526 - Including the portion that we are talking about now? 840 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:44,330 - Including the portion we are talking about. 841 00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:44,996 But, 842 00:37:46,565 --> 00:37:48,567 Chicago River's a little bit unique. 843 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,870 Unlike many rivers that have a fair amount of flow, 844 00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:53,805 Chicago River doesn't. 845 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,007 Everything kind of just sits there. 846 00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:59,044 So, we have a better chance with this river, 847 00:37:59,077 --> 00:38:00,612 it's worth taking a look. 848 00:38:00,646 --> 00:38:01,447 - That is encouraging. 849 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,482 It sounds like a higher likelihood 850 00:38:03,515 --> 00:38:06,418 in this River that in most that something would remain there 851 00:38:06,452 --> 00:38:07,553 for a long period of time. 852 00:38:07,586 --> 00:38:09,721 - I would guess that, yeah. 853 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:14,460 - [Amaryllis] What do you say we go take a look at the site? 854 00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:16,662 - [Greg] Sounds like a plan. 855 00:38:16,695 --> 00:38:19,765 (dramatic theme music) 856 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,034 - If we were standing here in the 1890s, 857 00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:25,003 what would we be looking at? 858 00:38:25,036 --> 00:38:27,038 - If you look at that little atrium that kind of splits 859 00:38:27,072 --> 00:38:29,775 the two Towers, that is kind of dead center where 860 00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:31,577 the warehouse was. 861 00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:32,978 - [Jeff] So, how would we go about searching the bottom 862 00:38:33,011 --> 00:38:34,413 of the river 863 00:38:34,446 --> 00:38:35,581 - We've got an ROV. 864 00:38:35,614 --> 00:38:38,417 A remote operated vehicle that we'll put in the water, 865 00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:42,087 put the boat against the Riverwalk here 866 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,557 and work a kind of a grid pattern search. 867 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:48,560 - [Amaryllis] What would we be looking for? 868 00:38:48,594 --> 00:38:51,863 - What I've seen in the past, for example in going to get 869 00:38:51,897 --> 00:38:56,735 cannonballs out of some of the sites off of Canada, 870 00:38:56,768 --> 00:38:59,471 you actually find holes in the muck-- 871 00:38:59,505 --> 00:39:00,372 - Really. 872 00:39:00,406 --> 00:39:01,239 - [Greg] Where the cannonballs went in. 873 00:39:01,272 --> 00:39:03,108 - Wow, like a depression in the bottom. 874 00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:04,576 - Exactly. 875 00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:08,013 That hole will stay there for years. 876 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,549 That's kind of what I am going to be looking for, 877 00:39:10,582 --> 00:39:14,553 do we have these craters which is an indication 878 00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:17,423 that something has been tossed in there. 879 00:39:17,456 --> 00:39:18,757 - OK, so let's meet back up in the morning 880 00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:20,526 and scan this river. 881 00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,662 (dramatic theme music) 882 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:28,734 - Consider this. 883 00:39:28,767 --> 00:39:32,638 We are on the verge of using this submersible robot 884 00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:35,574 to attempt to investigate HH Holmes connection 885 00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:37,743 with Jack the Ripper. 886 00:39:37,776 --> 00:39:40,712 - We've got a chance of finding bodies encased in cement 887 00:39:40,746 --> 00:39:43,014 at the bottom of this river floor. 888 00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:44,950 What we don't know is what to expect. 889 00:39:44,983 --> 00:39:47,519 These could be human-sized cement coffins, 890 00:39:47,553 --> 00:39:48,987 or they could be smaller chunks of cement 891 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:51,022 that contain body parts. 892 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,926 Either way, they could be time capsules of evidence. 893 00:40:03,802 --> 00:40:05,103 - [Greg] He's in. 894 00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:10,676 Adam, let out some cable. 895 00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:14,446 We're going to run it a little bit further east. 896 00:40:15,814 --> 00:40:18,884 (soft dramatic theme) 897 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:25,891 Go ahead and bring her down. 898 00:40:28,594 --> 00:40:31,697 (soft dramatic theme) 899 00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:37,536 - [Jeff] What exactly are we looking at here? 900 00:40:37,569 --> 00:40:41,473 - Probably anywhere from three to six feet of silt. 901 00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:47,112 (soft dramatic theme) 902 00:40:49,681 --> 00:40:51,550 Here we go, there we go. 903 00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:53,852 Can we hold it right in there? 904 00:40:56,822 --> 00:40:58,590 - [All] Wow. 905 00:40:58,624 --> 00:40:59,625 - Go up a little bit. 906 00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:01,993 Just a little bit, OK. 907 00:41:02,027 --> 00:41:04,095 You see these little bumps here? 908 00:41:04,129 --> 00:41:05,931 - [Amaryllis] Whoa, there are so many of them. 909 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:09,200 - This is an indication that things have been dumped here. 910 00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,174 - [Narrator] Next time on American Ripper. 911 00:41:16,207 --> 00:41:19,511 - What could have been a more perfect place on Earth 912 00:41:19,545 --> 00:41:22,514 for a killer of his nature than something like this. 913 00:41:22,548 --> 00:41:24,282 Two miles from his hotel. 914 00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:26,652 - There was a number of things I found about women 915 00:41:26,685 --> 00:41:27,986 with their throats cut. 916 00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:30,055 - My great, great aunt took a trip to Chicago 917 00:41:30,088 --> 00:41:32,123 and was never heard from again. 918 00:41:32,157 --> 00:41:34,593 - [Man] I wonder how many unknown women were found 919 00:41:34,626 --> 00:41:37,663 with Ripper-esque type of murders in Chicago. 920 00:41:37,696 --> 00:41:38,664 That's interesting. 921 00:41:38,697 --> 00:41:40,165 Unknown woman, unknown woman. 922 00:41:40,198 --> 00:41:42,033 Throat cut from ear to ear. 923 00:41:42,067 --> 00:41:44,603 - We have some results that are regressing. 924 00:41:44,636 --> 00:41:46,638 A picture's worth a thousand words. 925 00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:49,841 - How can you best preserve a body for 100 years? 926 00:41:49,875 --> 00:41:51,643 Encase it in concrete? 927 00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:57,115 - So, we're talking about a forensic time capsule. 928 00:41:57,148 --> 00:41:57,849 - Oh yea. 74184

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