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[birds chirping]
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[Narrator] Whatever
walks through Dooney Woods
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holds its silence
like the leaves.
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That decay in Dooney Woods,
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a sudden autumn
weeps and grieves.
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Whatever whispers in the
woods is heard by some
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and some alone.
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The rasp of mossy
tongue and lips,
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the muttering of bark on bone.
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Whatever moves within the woods,
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it watches with a yellow eye,
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and whatever hunts
within the pines
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is not of kin to you or I.
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Whatever sleeps in Dooney Woods,
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you must not meet
or catch its stare.
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And should you
travel Dooney Woods,
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then pass by swift
and best beware.
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[soft ominous music]
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♪ One's for sorrow,
two's for joy ♪
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♪ Three's for a girl
and four's for a boy ♪
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♪ Five's for silver,
six for gold ♪
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♪ Seven's for a
secret never told ♪
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♪ Oh the magpie
brings us tidings ♪
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♪ Of news both fair and foul
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♪ She's more cunning
than the raven ♪
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♪ More wise than any owl
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♪ For she brings us
news of the harvest ♪
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♪ Of the barley,
wheat, and corn ♪
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♪ And she knows when
we'll go to our graves ♪
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♪ And how we shall be born
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♪ Devil, Devil, I defy thee
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♪ Devil, Devil, I defy thee
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♪ Devil, Devil, I defy thee
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[twangy ominous music]
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- [Howard] Folk horror is
based upon the juxtaposition
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of the prosaic and the uncanny.
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- [Mark] It's strange
things found in fields,
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lights flickering in dark woods,
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the darkness in children's play,
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being lost in
ancient landscapes.
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- [Howard] The Devil having
a cup of tea with you.
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- [Expert Interviewee] The
power of ritual and the power
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of collective storytelling.
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- [Jonathan] Ancient
wisdoms, if you like,
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that have been long repressed
and forgotten rise up again,
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very often to the consternation
of a complacent modern man.
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- [Howard] Someone
heading to a village
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just outside of town and
discovering a pagan conspiracy.
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- [Expert Interviewee]
Something like pre-Christian,
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something surviving in spite
of the dominant culture.
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- [Kat] Rural locations,
insular communities.
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These old superstitious
beliefs that tend to breed
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around these communities,
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which are seen as being
backward and in the past.
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- [Jasper] You're outside
of modernity, isn't it?
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It's really all about
outsiders being outside
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of civilization and
realizing that you're really
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a smaller part of
this wider cosmos.
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- [Alice] That old
Freudian chestnut,
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the return of the repressed.
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- [Gail-Nina] It's a way of
accessing all those layers
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of meaning, the
buildup in a landscape,
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the buildup in a culture, and
often buildup unofficially.
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- [Expert Interviewee] It's a
sort of illegitimate culture
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that has sustained
historically and culturally
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just through sheer force
of will of the people,
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you know, the folk.
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- [Maisha] Folk
horror ultimately asks
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what if the old ways were right?
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[dramatic music]
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[soft ominous music]
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- [Narrator] I
gained the hilltop,
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saw its boulders bare,
some worn by time,
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some carved by Druid art.
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Where oft perhaps the
pated Briton prayed
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to Thor and Woden,
offering human blood
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when moral darkness
filled our blessed isle.
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- When I first used
the term folk horror,
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I had no particular
notion that phrase
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had ever been used before,
though of course it had.
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The first usage of
it that we know of
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is in the April 1936 issue
of "The English Journal,"
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and it was the American
Shakespearian scholar
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Oscar James Campbell
writing a piece called
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"The Biographical
Approach to Literature."
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And he was discussing
Wordsworth,
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and he was discussing the
influence on Wordsworth
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of Burger's German ballads
with their freightage
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of superstition and folk horror.
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So, he's relating
folk horror right back
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to the origins really of
Gothic literature, though.
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Having used the term
folk horror in 2006,
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it seemed natural to
reuse it a few years later
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when Mark Gatiss
and I were working
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on his documentary
series with BBC Four,
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"A History of Horror."
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In that, there was
a second episode
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called "Home Counties Horror,"
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focusing specifically
on British horror films,
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and folk horror seemed a
natural name, if you like,
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for a body of films that
had a very strong presence
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in the British horror
filmography, if you like.
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We specifically applied it
to what has since been called
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the unholy trinity
of folk horror.
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Three films,
"Witchfinder General,"
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"Blood on Satan's Claw,"
and the "The Wicker Man."
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[ominous music]
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- In terms of the trinity,
what groups them together
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in some respects is that
they're all about belief.
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"Witchfinder General"
is non-supernaturl,
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but is obviously about a
clash of belief systems
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and the corruption
of the establishment.
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[dramatic music]
[woman gasps]
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- I am Matthew
Hopkins, Witchfinder.
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- "Witchfinder General"
is a true story.
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There was this character,
Matthew Hopkins,
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who was a psychopath really,
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and he just, he said,
"I can detect witches,"
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and he just loved
to burn people.
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- Bring forth Elizabeth Clark.
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[Elizabeth screaming]
[flames crackling]
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- It's more or less
an inquisition story.
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So it's not dealing
with this sort of idea
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of Catholic Inquisition as in
some of the sort of Spanish
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or Italian films, but
you have this inquisitor
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who is just sort of let loose
in the midst of a civil war
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and has completely
unchecked power.
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[man screaming]
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- This man went round
17th century England
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burning and hanging
innocent women
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in order to make money.
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And whether he was a
religious fanatic or not,
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nobody really knows.
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I mean, he was certainly a
nasty piece of work at the time.
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[women screaming]
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- So to me, Michael Reeves
is one of those figures
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who could be viewed
as a new wave
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of British horror director.
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These are people who
were responding to things
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like Hammer Horror and the
films released by Amicus,
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and really wanted to push
back against this idea
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of tightly laced
period piece horror
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that follows these
Gothic tropes.
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And so you have these
younger directors
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who really pushed
back against that,
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and I think no one
pushed back against it
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as violently as Michael Reeves.
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- It's also worth noting
that "Whichfinder General"
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is the only one of these
films that takes place
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during an act of war,
the English Civil War,
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much as the Vietnam War
was going on as well.
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- Obviously, all period
films are about the time
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they're made as well as
the time they're set.
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The way that that injects
Vietnam into a period film
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is there in "Witchfinder," and
it became kind of de rigueur
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later on in the '60s.
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If you look at something
like "The Dirty Dozen"
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or "The Wild Bunch," you
know, there's this kind of
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Vietnam-inflicted quality
to a lot of the violence.
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- [Mikel] "Witchfinder
General" works almost
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within the context of
nihilistic westerns
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that begin to
emerge in the 1960s.
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- We discovered this
halfway through filming
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as Mike Reeves suddenly said,
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"Oh my God, we're
making a western."
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And if you look at
it, it's sort of is.
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It's horses, it's riding
across countryside
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in search of the bad guy,
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it's a lot of
galloping and things.
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- He anticipates the westerns
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of the late '60s and early '70s,
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particularly in terms of
the female characters,
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that women are there as a
sort of pretext for violence.
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Women are there
to be fought over.
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So many of the things that
we think of as associated
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with Peckinpah, you know,
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the dubious attitude
towards women,
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the peculiar notion that
children are kind of,
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you know, inherently unpleasant.
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There's a brief scene
in "Witchfinder"
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where you see children
roasting potatoes
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in the ashes of a fire where
a witch has been burned.
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And that comes before the
opening of "The Wild Bunch"
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where the kids put the
scorpion in with the ants.
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[dramatic music]
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So I think the darkness,
particularly the misogyny
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of "Witchfinder" finds its way
into a lot of later westerns.
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- I think the theme of
"Witchfinder" is revenge,
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it's charlatanism, it's cruelty.
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[woman screams]
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- But it also has a
sense of nihilism to it,
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this bleakness of existence.
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It's what really
fuels not just Reeves'
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"Witchfinder General," but
I think it's also there
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in Michael Armstrong's
"Mark of the Devil,"
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and it's certainly there in
"Witchhammer," the Czech film.
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- It sort of takes
Nietzsche's aphorism
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he who fights monsters
must take care
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not to become a monster.
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The idea that violence
infects everything.
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[man crying out]
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[gun fires]
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- You took him away from me.
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You took him from me.
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You took him from me.
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You took him from me!
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[mysterious music]
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- In April 1970, when
Piers Haggard's film
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"Blood on Satan's Claw"
was in production,
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a piece appeared in
"Kinematograph Weekly,"
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one of Britain's trade
papers of the day,
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in which Rod Cooper
referred to the film
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as a study in folk horror.
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[suspenseful music]
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- I grew up in the
countryside, grew up on a farm,
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the countryside and the
meaning of the countryside
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and the mysterious power or
possible danger or threat
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of the countryside which
I experienced as a child.
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- Human remains.
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- No sir, a sort
of head, a face.
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- Of a fiend?
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[group humming]
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- [Piers] To me, that
tries to express,
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that it connects with
traditions, poetic traditions,
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and historical, semi-historical.
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- Holy bear moth
father of my life,
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speak now, come now,
rise now from the forest,
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from the furrows, from
the fields and live.
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- Folklore, which is rich
and scarier, folk tales,
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has wonderful, wonderful
strange, eerie stories
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of good and evil.
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And I was then told a
few years later that,
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"Oh, you're the man who
invented film folk horror."
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[gentle music]
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- Shame on you, child.
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- "Blood on Satan's
Claw" seems to be more
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about this sort of terror
of female sexuality
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and this terror of kind
of a youth population
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coming up against
the establishment.
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- I never want to see
you in this school again.
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- Chaos or violence or lack
of discipline in the young
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is a perennial concern,
and at the time
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when that was written, you know,
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there was worry about
gangs and so on.
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So, it tucks into that.
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- Hey!
- Hey!
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[eerie music]
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[ominous music]
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- Mary Bell was a
scandalous story
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back in the '60s in England.
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A young girl, she was only
11 years old at the time,
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who strangled a
three-year-old boy
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and a four-year-old
boy with the help
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of another female friend.
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It was a pretty horrific story.
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But I think what
made it even worse
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was that at the trial
she showed no remorse
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and she just seemed to
be the epitome of evil
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for whatever reason, and yet
she was still a child herself.
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That whole case influenced
the character of Angel Blake
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in "Blood on Satan's Claw."
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- It came out of some
quite dark areas, I think,
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and that's why it
gets to people.
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It gets under the skin.
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[dramatic music]
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- [Man] Come.
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It is time to keep your
appointment with the Wicker Man.
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[eerie drum music]
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- I understand you're
looking for a missing girl.
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You suspect foul play.
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- I suspect murder.
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- Horror films as they
were being done at the time
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were missing something,
and we believed
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that that was basically
the old religion
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which had gone underground
for many centuries
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after Christianity came,
and that it would be fun
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to try and conceive of a story
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where the old religion
had reappeared.
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- The fact that you have
this pocket of pagan belief
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that not only persists within
the environs of modern life,
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but is sustained by people
who are everyday folk,
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is very exciting to me,
but it does, of course,
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bring us to a very homogeneous,
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very rarefied cultural
domain in which complexities
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of our migratory
world are unaddressed.
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- [Samm] It looks at this idea
of aristocratic corruption.
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- And what of the true
God to whose glory
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churches and monasteries
have been built
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on these islands for
generations past?
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Now, sir, what of him?
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- Oh, he's dead.
He can't complain.
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He had his chance, and in
modern parlance, blew it.
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- Lord Summerisle,
Christopher Lee's character,
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is trying to go back to
what he sort of describes
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as the old ways,
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and I think that's
something that turns up
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in a lot of British folk
horror in particular,
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where you have these old
money aristocratic figures
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who are often villains
who are really struggling
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in the modern era, and they're
trying to sort of preserve
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this old way of life
that's dying out.
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- What my grandfather had
started out of expediency,
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my father continued out of love.
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He brought me up the same
way, to reverence the music
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and the drama and the
rituals of the old gods.
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To love nature and to
fear it, and to rely on it
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and to appease it
when necessary.
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He brought me up-
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- He brought you
up to be a pagan!
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- A heathen, conceivably,
but not, I hope,
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an unenlightened one.
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- And it occurred to me
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that I had never
actually seen a film
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on the nature of sacrifice.
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And so, I started with
a checklist as it were
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of who would make
the ideal sacrifice.
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There were obviously
certain entitlements
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that emerge from the research,
the king for the day,
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a man who presents the law,
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a man who is a burgeon,
and so on and so forth.
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There's a number of the things.
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So, I thought if we
fitted up someone
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with all those
attachments and qualities,
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we had the ideal sacrifice.
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- It is very dangerous
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for people to become
victims of a cult.
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They can do absolutely
terrible things
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in a nice cheerful way.
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The Christopher Lee
character, Lord Summerisle,
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has in effect persuaded his
fellow citizens on that island
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to give up their
normal moral sense
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and believe in something quite,
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in modern terms, outlandish.
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But it happens all the time.
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[rhythmic drum music]
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♪ Summer is a-comin' in
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♪ Loudly sing cuckoo
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♪ Grows the seed and blows
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- Like any decent piece
of work, it survives.
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It has coiled at the
heart of it a mystery.
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Peter Pan has it.
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It's overtly a very silly play.
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But it isn't because it's
about something other
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than what its surface
purports to be.
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♪ Grows the seed
and blows the mead ♪
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[fire roaring]
- Daniel!
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Daniel!
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Daniel!
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♪ Sing cuckoo
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- And paganism has a
habit of surviving,
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as we see, and it's that which
helped this film survive,
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the subject matter.
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[fire roaring]
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[ominous music]
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[soft ominous music]
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[soft ominous music]
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- As a literary tradition
and a cinematic tradition,
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there's more folk horror
coming out of Britain
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than anywhere else.
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[somber music]
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- A lot of these tropes that
we know from folk horror films
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actually came into
existence like 50
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to a hundred years earlier
just from horror fiction.
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[somber music]
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So, the story of the scholar
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or the outsider who comes
to the isolated community
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and ends up experiencing some
kind of old pagan ritual,
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this was in things like
Eleanor Scott's story,
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"Randall's Round" and Grant
Allen's "Pallinghurst Barrow."
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This is probably the most
common story in folk horror.
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- An author like Arthur Machen
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is a vital contributor
to folk horror.
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Indeed, one of his later stories
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was called "Out of the Earth."
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I think also Algernon Blackwood
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with his extraordinary
stories about strange forces
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of nature overwhelming
mere puny mankind.
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You know, stories like "The
Willows" and the "The Wendigo."
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[ominous music]
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Another maybe less obvious
proponent of folk horror
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was M.R. James, who wrote
very precise, scholarly,
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but nevertheless extremely
chilling ghost stories.
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- He was probably the most
distinguished ghost story writer
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of the 20th century
English cannon.
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He didn't take the work
very seriously himself
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and it wasn't taken very
seriously for a long time,
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but he's since become recognized
as a leading influence
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on British and European horror.
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- [Jonathan] But they
often deal in folk horror.
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"Casting the Runes" was made
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into a great British film
called "Night of the Demon."
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- And then you sort of travel
through to the adaptations
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that were done for television
by Lawrence Gordon Clark
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in the "Ghost Stories for
Christmas" in the '70s.
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They are key texts and
incredibly effective
works, you know,
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capturing that certain
something that M.R. James does,
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you know, the
rustle in the trees
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or the inhuman mouth
under the pillow.
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I mean, all of those
kinds of very peculiar
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fissures in the modern.
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- [Robert] Those M.R. James
"Ghost Stories for Christmas,"
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particularly "Whistle
and I'll Come to You,"
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is essential
British folk horror.
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- [Narrator] It's a story
of solitude and terror,
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and it has a moral, too.
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It hints at the dangers
of intellectual pride
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and shows how a man's
reason can be overthrown
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when he fails to acknowledge
those forces inside himself,
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which he simply
cannot understand.
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- You've got this very
British bumbling old guy.
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He kinda almost
represents the patriarchy.
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He's kind of, "Oh, nonsense.
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There's no such
thing as ghosts."
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- Hmm, inscription.
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[soft tense music]
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Who is this?
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Who is coming?
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All right, we shall
blow it and see.
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[soft pipe note whistles]
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[suspenseful music]
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- [Alice] How do you
conquer something like that
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if it's not even part
of your belief system?
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I think there's
nothing so terrifying
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as seeing someone like that
being reduced to madness,
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and like, he's literally sucking
his thumb by the end of it.
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He's sort of gone
back to childhood
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'cause he's so terrified.
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[man cries out]
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00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:19,065
- Jonathan Miller's "Whistle
and I'll Come To You"
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was not actually part of the
"Ghost Stories for Christmas,"
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00:24:22,329 --> 00:24:26,072
but it was obviously
popular enough that when
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Lawrence Gordon
Clark went to the BBC
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and proposed the whole "Ghost
Stories for Christmas,"
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he was probably able to, you
know, use that as a foundation.
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♪ And peace will return
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- If you take a wonderful
M.R. James story
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in "The Stalls of Barchester,"
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the Hanging Oak as it was
called, which for centuries
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had been feted with
blood sacrifice,
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was cut down by
Puritans in attempt
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to get rid of that custom,
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and the wood was used for
carvings in the choir stalls,
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which became absolutely deadly
to anybody who touched them.
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00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:04,154
♪ Return don't you see
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That is how James interwove
historical evil and violence
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and sacrifice with so-called
rational Christian beliefs.
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- One of the most
influential aspects of James
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is the "Ghost Stories
for Christmas"
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because they're done
in such a sparse,
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suggestive, atmospheric way
is that you can look at those
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and you kind of use
those as a template.
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They're frightening
because of what's not shown
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and what's suggested.
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[boy gasps]
[children giggle]
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[soft ominous music]
[man panting]
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- [Kat] Folk horror is very much
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about our connection
to the land.
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00:25:58,643 --> 00:26:00,514
- The landscape's always
been a key component
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00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:02,429
of the English ghost story,
and you can really see this
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in the writings of M.R. James,
in the East Anglian locations
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where he's set a
lot of his stories.
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00:26:07,913 --> 00:26:09,872
- He's intensely visual.
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He uses the English
countryside, which I love,
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00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:16,574
and English times, particularly
in the shabbier ones,
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absolutely beautifully.
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- [Kier-La] His ghosts are
more earthy and physical.
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00:26:21,753 --> 00:26:26,105
He describes their
texture and their smell.
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00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:28,455
They're deeply connected to
their physical surroundings
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in a lot of ways, and to
this idea of a bloody history
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that's buried beneath
the facade of civility.
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[soft suspenseful music]
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[man laughing]
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- [Kat] So you often find,
and it's especially the case
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in "Blood on Satan's
Claw," that it begins
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00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:59,443
with the claw being
brought up from the land.
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00:27:01,184 --> 00:27:04,404
- That's why the opening scene,
the plowing and the furrows,
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so a lot of camera
angles are very low
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right throughout the film.
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It's supposed to suggest
that whatever is coming
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is coming from below.
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00:27:13,936 --> 00:27:16,634
[ominous music]
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00:27:18,331 --> 00:27:21,117
- Folk horror very much
channels people's relationship
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00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,076
to the land, to this sort
of shared consciousness,
484
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,427
these traditional beliefs
that are somehow in the soil,
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in the landscape.
486
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♪ The land's sharp
features seem to be ♪
487
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♪ The century's
corpse outleant ♪
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♪ His crypt the cloudy canopy
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♪ The wind his death lament
490
00:27:44,836 --> 00:27:48,927
♪ The ancient pulse
of germ and birth ♪
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00:27:48,971 --> 00:27:52,452
♪ Was shrunken hard and dry
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♪ And every spirit upon Earth
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♪ Seemed fervourless as I
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♪ So little cause
for carolings ♪
495
00:28:03,681 --> 00:28:07,467
♪ Of such ecstatic sound
496
00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:11,341
♪ Was written on
terrestrial things ♪
497
00:28:11,384 --> 00:28:15,127
♪ Afar are nigh around
498
00:28:15,171 --> 00:28:18,696
♪ That I could think
there trembled through ♪
499
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:22,134
♪ His happy good night air
500
00:28:22,178 --> 00:28:26,225
♪ Some blessed hope
whereof he knew ♪
501
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:29,272
♪ And I was unaware
502
00:28:30,882 --> 00:28:34,886
- Until as late as
the late 20th century,
503
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:38,150
and we shouldn't forget how
rural a lot of the culture
504
00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:40,849
in the British Isles was, and
you can see that looking at,
505
00:28:40,892 --> 00:28:44,026
say, the documentary "The
Moon and the Sledgehammer"
506
00:28:44,069 --> 00:28:48,508
where you're looking at a
family living in the 1970s,
507
00:28:48,552 --> 00:28:50,162
but you might as well be looking
508
00:28:50,206 --> 00:28:53,078
at a family living in the 1870s.
509
00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:55,820
- I never go where
the cock never crows,
510
00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,691
and I wouldn't advise any of you
511
00:28:57,735 --> 00:29:00,390
to go where the cock don't crow.
512
00:29:02,044 --> 00:29:04,089
[fire crackling]
513
00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:06,352
- Folk horror is more
of a back-to-the-land
514
00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:09,529
kind of species of
horror, if you like.
515
00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:12,881
It's more a rural thing
rather than something
516
00:29:12,924 --> 00:29:14,839
to do with the aristocracy.
517
00:29:14,883 --> 00:29:16,449
It's more to do with the people
518
00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:18,930
who till the land, if you like.
519
00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:20,802
Maybe that's one reason
why in the late '60s,
520
00:29:20,845 --> 00:29:23,413
the sort of back-to-the-land
movement in that period,
521
00:29:23,456 --> 00:29:27,243
it suddenly gained currency,
was very, very important.
522
00:29:27,286 --> 00:29:29,854
- We were the first people
with an industrial revolution,
523
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:31,856
and that was our
great break point
524
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,380
between the continuity
of hundreds of years,
525
00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:36,905
and suddenly people
flooded into the towns,
526
00:29:36,948 --> 00:29:39,255
didn't have access
to the greenery.
527
00:29:39,298 --> 00:29:41,561
They didn't have access to
what they'd known before.
528
00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:45,609
And we're constantly
trying to get back to that.
529
00:29:46,653 --> 00:29:48,220
- You come from the city,
530
00:29:48,264 --> 00:29:50,832
cannot not know the
ways of the country.
531
00:29:50,875 --> 00:29:52,398
- I think this is why
we see a lot of films
532
00:29:52,442 --> 00:29:54,661
around the late '60s
and the early '70s
533
00:29:54,705 --> 00:29:57,664
which have become
known as folk horrors,
534
00:29:57,708 --> 00:30:00,754
which reflect a kind of
general anxiety in society
535
00:30:00,798 --> 00:30:04,758
that the town is
overtaking the countryside.
536
00:30:04,802 --> 00:30:07,936
[gentle bright music]
537
00:30:17,336 --> 00:30:19,295
[birds chirping]
538
00:30:19,338 --> 00:30:20,339
- You stuck?
539
00:30:24,343 --> 00:30:26,955
- And then it can also
link up with something like
540
00:30:26,998 --> 00:30:29,522
"I Start Counting" or
other films of the 1970s,
541
00:30:29,566 --> 00:30:32,003
which are very much about,
I guess, like suburbia
542
00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:34,701
and changing in housing.
543
00:30:34,745 --> 00:30:36,442
New tower blocks,
these kinda things,
544
00:30:36,486 --> 00:30:39,968
and the city sort of
moving into the countryside
545
00:30:40,011 --> 00:30:42,187
and it's on the kinda
periphery spaces
546
00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:44,189
like in "I Start Counting"
with Jenny Agutter
547
00:30:44,233 --> 00:30:46,017
where there's a sort
of child murderer
548
00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:48,802
who's kind of stalking the
lakes on the edges of the town
549
00:30:48,846 --> 00:30:51,109
and all these kind of older
houses are being knocked down.
550
00:30:51,153 --> 00:30:52,632
We think about it as
linking to the past,
551
00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:53,982
but it's very much about change
552
00:30:54,025 --> 00:30:55,635
and kind of in-between places
553
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,811
and where things sort
of seep into each other.
554
00:30:57,855 --> 00:30:59,944
- I would think of someone
like David Gladwell,
555
00:30:59,988 --> 00:31:02,468
whose "Requiem for a
Village" is in a kind
556
00:31:02,512 --> 00:31:05,123
of maybe penumbric
or peripheral way,
557
00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:08,474
a kind of folk horror
tale about the importance
558
00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:13,262
and unkillable nature of
history and all that is natural.
559
00:31:15,003 --> 00:31:17,570
"Requiem for a Village" charts
that transitional moment
560
00:31:17,614 --> 00:31:20,660
between the old
ways and the coming
561
00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:24,838
of modern high-rise blocks and
the bulldozing of the fields
562
00:31:24,882 --> 00:31:29,147
that had reaped the harvest
that fed and nurtured us all.
563
00:31:29,191 --> 00:31:30,932
I think maybe it's a stretch
to call it a horror film,
564
00:31:30,975 --> 00:31:32,716
although it does have an
extraordinary sequence
565
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,675
of those who have passed
away in the village
566
00:31:35,719 --> 00:31:38,852
rising from their graves,
which is almost Fulci-esque.
567
00:31:38,896 --> 00:31:42,726
[singing in foreign language]
568
00:31:53,911 --> 00:31:56,218
- One might say it's
quite a conservative view
569
00:31:56,261 --> 00:31:59,699
of this kind of imagery,
'cause it's almost more like
570
00:31:59,743 --> 00:32:02,050
hearkening back to
the pastoral age-olds.
571
00:32:02,093 --> 00:32:04,922
[dramatic music]
572
00:32:07,794 --> 00:32:10,014
- I think that there's
this tendency to think
573
00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:13,061
of folk horror as something
that is always set in the past,
574
00:32:13,104 --> 00:32:14,932
but often it's
actually that friction
575
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:18,718
between the present and the
past that creates that tension.
576
00:32:18,762 --> 00:32:22,200
- It seems to me that
you've kind of got two areas
577
00:32:22,244 --> 00:32:24,028
of folk horror.
578
00:32:24,072 --> 00:32:25,899
You've got the stuff that
takes place in the past,
579
00:32:25,943 --> 00:32:27,640
and then you've got the
stuff that's dealing
580
00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:29,729
with something coming
out of the past.
581
00:32:29,773 --> 00:32:31,383
Well, the stuff that
takes place in the past
582
00:32:31,427 --> 00:32:33,559
never really seems
to me to sort of have
583
00:32:33,603 --> 00:32:35,213
a particularly rosy view of it.
584
00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:36,910
It's not like these Halcyon days
585
00:32:36,954 --> 00:32:38,956
we're desperate to get back to.
586
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,047
The past is usually presented
as a pretty unpleasant place.
587
00:32:43,091 --> 00:32:46,659
Similarly, when you're
dealing with modern day stuff,
588
00:32:46,703 --> 00:32:50,620
the threat is usually what's
coming out of the past.
589
00:32:50,663 --> 00:32:54,667
So, I don't really see
this idea that it's being
590
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:57,757
represented as
anything positive.
591
00:32:57,801 --> 00:32:59,585
It seems to me that folk horror
592
00:32:59,629 --> 00:33:02,762
is more often than not
quite politically radical.
593
00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:04,938
[dramatic funk music]
[motorcycles rumbling]
594
00:33:04,982 --> 00:33:07,506
- [Narrator] They were
just ordinary troublemakers
595
00:33:07,550 --> 00:33:09,769
as long as they lived,
but they returned
596
00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:13,251
from beyond the grave
with superhuman powers,
597
00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:15,297
unleashing an unholy
reign of terror
598
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:17,038
that holds an entire community
599
00:33:17,081 --> 00:33:19,605
in the grip of psychomania.
600
00:33:19,649 --> 00:33:22,826
[dramatic funk music]
601
00:33:24,132 --> 00:33:25,829
"Psychomania."
602
00:33:25,872 --> 00:33:28,658
- "Psychomania" is an
absolute classic hoot
603
00:33:28,701 --> 00:33:30,964
of a movie, isn't it? [chuckles]
604
00:33:31,008 --> 00:33:33,271
- Everybody dies, don't they?
605
00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:34,925
But some come back.
606
00:33:36,187 --> 00:33:37,667
- [William] Psychomania
is, you know,
607
00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:39,451
these kind of
tearaways who end up
608
00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:41,453
kind of reaffirming
these old folk traditions
609
00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:44,543
and once again turning
into stone statues.
610
00:33:44,587 --> 00:33:46,850
[tense music]
611
00:33:46,893 --> 00:33:49,374
[woman gasps]
612
00:33:51,115 --> 00:33:52,986
But it's almost as if there's
some kind of an anarchy
613
00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:54,814
going all the way through.
614
00:33:54,858 --> 00:33:56,816
It's not that there's some
beautiful, astonishing past.
615
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:57,991
- [Vic] Yeah, I
think it's important
616
00:33:58,035 --> 00:33:59,645
to stress that folk horror
617
00:33:59,689 --> 00:34:01,473
shouldn't necessarily
be reactionary, right?
618
00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:04,650
The actual content in there
is very much a challenge
619
00:34:04,694 --> 00:34:07,479
to the kind of narrative
traditions of that time,
620
00:34:07,523 --> 00:34:10,395
to the ideological
traditions at that time.
621
00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:13,094
[woman screams]
622
00:34:22,146 --> 00:34:24,714
- I think the back
to the land movement
623
00:34:24,757 --> 00:34:27,325
and the sort of the hold
over the hippy movement
624
00:34:27,369 --> 00:34:30,894
going into ecology and
stuff is part of it,
625
00:34:30,937 --> 00:34:33,201
but it's not
entirely part of it.
626
00:34:33,244 --> 00:34:35,551
And it's interesting you see
that actually in the pages
627
00:34:35,594 --> 00:34:37,683
of "Prediction" in the 1970s.
628
00:34:37,727 --> 00:34:41,209
You have articles
about vegetarianism
629
00:34:41,252 --> 00:34:44,125
and you have articles about
organic farming as well
630
00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:49,130
since back then they weren't
part of the everyday discourse.
631
00:34:50,914 --> 00:34:53,960
- Certainly in the 1970s, both
in Britain and in America,
632
00:34:54,004 --> 00:34:57,050
there was a kind of movement
of people leaving the cities
633
00:34:57,094 --> 00:35:00,141
which had started to become
polluted, overcrowded,
634
00:35:00,184 --> 00:35:03,187
sort of overheated and
trying to find better lives
635
00:35:03,231 --> 00:35:05,233
out in the countryside
and in doing so,
636
00:35:05,276 --> 00:35:08,540
they encounter both
nature, but also the people
637
00:35:08,584 --> 00:35:10,716
who live with nature
and that's very much
638
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,066
a sort of class and
cultural tension,
639
00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:16,113
but it's also sort of
environmental tension.
640
00:35:16,157 --> 00:35:17,897
- [William] You think of in
westerns in American films,
641
00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:20,726
the mythic America is the
extending, expanding landscape,
642
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:22,902
so they kind of dream of
moving onto new territory
643
00:35:22,946 --> 00:35:24,426
that hasn't been picked over,
644
00:35:24,469 --> 00:35:26,167
whereas the folk horror
in British tradition
645
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:27,603
is there's all these sediments.
646
00:35:27,646 --> 00:35:29,170
It's more about like depth
647
00:35:29,213 --> 00:35:30,475
rather than kind
of moving outward.
648
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,609
[machinery rumbling]
649
00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:48,972
- Hildy, whoa, whoa!
650
00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:56,197
[eerie music]
651
00:35:58,329 --> 00:36:00,157
- [Howard] Nigel
Kneale is best known
652
00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:02,855
for inventing "Quatermass,"
but he also in the 1970s
653
00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:04,683
and right up to
the '80s in fact,
654
00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:06,859
wrote several of the things
655
00:36:06,903 --> 00:36:09,427
that folk horror fans
particularly rate.
656
00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:12,778
- I think Nigel Kneale is the
pinnacle in terms of quality.
657
00:36:12,822 --> 00:36:14,606
If he was working in a medium
658
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:17,305
that was more respected
like novels, I think he'd be
659
00:36:17,348 --> 00:36:18,871
a far more household name.
660
00:36:18,915 --> 00:36:20,699
He's very prescient
like J.G. Ballard,
661
00:36:20,743 --> 00:36:22,440
but whereas J.G.
Ballard wrote novels
662
00:36:22,484 --> 00:36:25,269
and became very
respected, Kneale stayed
663
00:36:25,313 --> 00:36:28,141
with television largely,
and some films as well.
664
00:36:28,185 --> 00:36:32,058
His work is incredibly
haunting, incredibly prescient.
665
00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:35,192
He virtually predicted the
rise of reality television
666
00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:37,150
amongst other things.
667
00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:39,805
The strongest elements of
folk horror in television
668
00:36:39,849 --> 00:36:42,460
and film, I think, are
largely indebted to him.
669
00:36:42,504 --> 00:36:44,462
So, Nigel Kneale, I think,
670
00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:49,075
is the epitome of the great
writer of folk horror.
671
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,122
[suspenseful music]
672
00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:05,004
- I would say that something
like Nigel Kneale's
673
00:37:05,048 --> 00:37:08,094
"The Stone Tape" is a kind of
uber text when we're talking
674
00:37:08,138 --> 00:37:12,577
about folk horror because it
encapsulates so many ideas.
675
00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:15,493
The haunting part, but also
the idea of the recording
676
00:37:15,537 --> 00:37:19,541
of the past and the very
analog version of that.
677
00:37:20,933 --> 00:37:23,109
- It's your code
number! You fed it in.
678
00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:25,111
- I didn't.
- You must have done!
679
00:37:25,155 --> 00:37:28,898
- There are words. Well,
they might be words.
680
00:37:28,941 --> 00:37:30,247
See, "pray."
681
00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:32,118
- "So," that's "so" there.
682
00:37:32,162 --> 00:37:33,555
- "Pray, prayer."
683
00:37:38,081 --> 00:37:40,344
- It's in the computer!
684
00:37:40,388 --> 00:37:43,434
- "The Stone Tape"
deals with a haunting
685
00:37:43,478 --> 00:37:46,568
and trying to apply
science to a haunting.
686
00:37:46,611 --> 00:37:49,875
But you soon find out
that there's only so far
687
00:37:49,919 --> 00:37:52,617
science can go and there's
something much older underneath
688
00:37:52,661 --> 00:37:55,838
that science can't
actually cope with.
689
00:37:57,927 --> 00:38:00,538
- We have a deeply
historical landscape
690
00:38:00,582 --> 00:38:04,586
which has been subject to
human intervention and design
691
00:38:04,629 --> 00:38:07,719
over centuries and
centuries, so again,
692
00:38:07,763 --> 00:38:11,767
we're looking at layers
of occupation and usage,
693
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:15,553
but we also like to think
that there is a genius loci,
694
00:38:15,597 --> 00:38:17,555
a spirit of place.
695
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,472
So anywhere where you feel
that, is liable to lead
696
00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:25,737
to a folk horror
inspiration or experience.
697
00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:29,741
♪ For the praties
they are small ♪
698
00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:34,093
♪ Over hill, over hill
699
00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:39,142
♪ Oh, the praties they
are small over hill ♪
700
00:38:40,839 --> 00:38:42,363
- [Kier-La] This is where
folk horror intersects
701
00:38:42,406 --> 00:38:44,190
with psychogeography,
which is essentially
702
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:45,366
the psychological relationship
between people in a place
703
00:38:45,409 --> 00:38:46,932
and the kind of psychic imprints
704
00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:48,412
that people leave on a
place and vice versa.
705
00:38:48,456 --> 00:38:50,632
- In folk horror,
we're very much talking
706
00:38:50,675 --> 00:38:52,851
about the effect of the
environment on people,
707
00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:55,114
on people's psyche,
on their behavior,
708
00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:57,987
and I think the conflicts
between different behaviors
709
00:38:58,030 --> 00:39:00,424
is very much at the heart
of folk horror, right?
710
00:39:00,468 --> 00:39:01,947
- Yeah, and I guess
with psychogeography,
711
00:39:01,991 --> 00:39:04,776
and it's partly about
previous psyches
712
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:06,604
kind of pressing themselves
into the landscape
713
00:39:06,648 --> 00:39:08,780
and then a contemporary
person walking around
714
00:39:08,824 --> 00:39:11,435
and kind of picking
up on the resonance
715
00:39:11,479 --> 00:39:13,219
of those psyches in the past.
716
00:39:13,263 --> 00:39:15,613
- [Andy] Whether it goes
back to Alfred Watkins
717
00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:19,008
looking for ley lines or
somebody like Peter Ackroyd
718
00:39:19,051 --> 00:39:21,619
looking for secret
history of London.
719
00:39:21,663 --> 00:39:23,142
- That would sort of
draw you onto something
720
00:39:23,186 --> 00:39:24,622
like "Quatermass
and the Pit," right?
721
00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:26,494
Where there's this
sense that Nigel Kneale,
722
00:39:26,537 --> 00:39:29,497
who's this writer primarily
associated with science fiction,
723
00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:32,195
then fusing science
fiction with folk horror,
724
00:39:32,238 --> 00:39:35,067
talking about this hidden
menace deep within the earth,
725
00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:38,027
which is only dug out when
people start to burrow down
726
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:40,072
into the center of the
Earth, which is very much
727
00:39:40,116 --> 00:39:42,901
one of these key concepts
behind folk horror, I think.
728
00:39:42,945 --> 00:39:46,862
[mysterious synthesizer music]
729
00:40:02,138 --> 00:40:04,706
- It was one of Nigel
Kneale's recurring ideas.
730
00:40:04,749 --> 00:40:07,709
He would make reference
to mythology and folklore
731
00:40:07,752 --> 00:40:10,189
and yolk it to science fiction,
732
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:13,018
and "Doctor Who"
picked up on that.
733
00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:15,934
- Devil's End is part
of the dark mythology
734
00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:19,024
of our childhood days, and
now for the first time,
735
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:21,766
the cameras of the
BBC have been allowed
736
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:24,465
inside the cabin itself.
737
00:40:24,508 --> 00:40:26,858
- You think of the classic
John Pertwee storyline,
738
00:40:26,902 --> 00:40:30,079
"The Daemons, which has
all of the key themes
739
00:40:30,122 --> 00:40:32,037
of folk horror within it.
740
00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:34,518
You have unearthing
ancient burial mounds,
741
00:40:34,562 --> 00:40:38,740
disturbing long-buried forces
in the English countryside.
742
00:40:38,783 --> 00:40:40,916
You have evil Morris dancers.
743
00:40:40,959 --> 00:40:45,050
- You're being invited to join
our May Day revels, Doctor.
744
00:40:45,094 --> 00:40:46,312
- It's all in there.
745
00:40:46,356 --> 00:40:49,098
[birds chirping]
746
00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:54,625
Nigel Kneale's final storyline
in the "Quatermass" series
747
00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:58,281
broadcast in 1979 is set
in a post-apocalyptic world
748
00:40:58,324 --> 00:41:01,458
after what we assume
is a nuclear war.
749
00:41:01,502 --> 00:41:06,507
[bells dinging]
[soft tense music]
750
00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:08,900
- [Man With Glasses]
Who are they?
751
00:41:08,944 --> 00:41:10,293
- Planet people.
752
00:41:13,209 --> 00:41:15,298
They've got some strange belief.
753
00:41:15,341 --> 00:41:18,257
- Magic. It's always magic.
754
00:41:18,301 --> 00:41:21,173
[tense music]
755
00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:24,263
- [Mark] And you have bands
of hippie travelers marching
756
00:41:24,307 --> 00:41:27,919
across the land being drawn
mysteriously to stone circles.
757
00:41:27,963 --> 00:41:29,747
- [Narrator] Many of
these groups of stones,
758
00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:33,534
like Stonehenge, were
complex observatories,
759
00:41:33,577 --> 00:41:35,579
predicting what
once were thought
760
00:41:35,623 --> 00:41:39,844
to be unpredictable fickle
wandering of their gods.
761
00:41:44,327 --> 00:41:46,459
- They were just a
kind of normal part
762
00:41:46,503 --> 00:41:48,592
of the landscape
for many people.
763
00:41:48,636 --> 00:41:51,116
Certainly Avebury,
where we are now,
764
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,772
has had a village within it
for over a thousand years.
765
00:41:54,816 --> 00:41:57,906
[soft ominous music]
766
00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:04,390
- And you just want
me to touch it?
767
00:42:04,434 --> 00:42:09,439
[eerie music]
[mysterious voices chattering]
768
00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:11,136
- Yes, please.
769
00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:14,139
[eerie music continues]
770
00:42:14,183 --> 00:42:18,056
[mysterious voices crying out]
771
00:42:27,457 --> 00:42:30,591
[dramatic music]
772
00:42:30,634 --> 00:42:32,201
- Surprisingly,
it hasn't featured
773
00:42:32,244 --> 00:42:35,813
in that many films
and television.
774
00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:38,990
Most famously "Children
of the Stones,"
775
00:42:39,034 --> 00:42:42,385
the children's TV series
from the mid-1970s,
776
00:42:42,428 --> 00:42:44,735
that was set and filmed here.
777
00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:46,563
And it also appears
778
00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:49,827
in a "Ghost Story for
Christmas" called "Stigma."
779
00:42:49,871 --> 00:42:53,048
- [Kier-La] In "Stigma," the
malevolence or blight occurs
780
00:42:53,091 --> 00:42:55,877
because someone has disturbed
the standing stones,
781
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,053
and people have come from the
city to settle in the country
782
00:42:58,096 --> 00:43:00,272
and have no sense of what
the standing stones mean.
783
00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:02,013
They've no connection
to that history.
784
00:43:02,057 --> 00:43:04,581
[tense music]
785
00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:14,939
- So the standing stone,
786
00:43:14,983 --> 00:43:16,549
they are these monuments
of great mystery.
787
00:43:16,593 --> 00:43:19,291
They kind of hark back
to this pre-Christian
788
00:43:19,335 --> 00:43:22,251
and pagan past to this whole
idea that the past and history
789
00:43:22,294 --> 00:43:24,862
are threatening to
kind of re-emerge
790
00:43:24,906 --> 00:43:28,605
and kind of reclaim
ownership over the land.
791
00:43:30,085 --> 00:43:31,913
With "Rawhead Rex," in
the original short story
792
00:43:31,956 --> 00:43:36,221
you have this clash between
these ancient customs
793
00:43:36,265 --> 00:43:37,745
and ancient way of life
794
00:43:37,788 --> 00:43:40,138
and these new forces
of gentrification.
795
00:43:40,182 --> 00:43:43,228
This idea that getting
back to these old ways,
796
00:43:43,272 --> 00:43:46,884
getting away from the rat race
and getting back to nature
797
00:43:46,928 --> 00:43:48,494
is really, it's
just another form
798
00:43:48,538 --> 00:43:50,888
of kind of colonization
and invasion.
799
00:43:50,932 --> 00:43:54,283
[soft mysterious music]
800
00:43:57,765 --> 00:44:00,332
- Your hands. They're bleeding.
801
00:44:01,769 --> 00:44:03,727
- I actually think that
there's a good trilogy
802
00:44:03,771 --> 00:44:08,776
of old "Play For Today"
episodes that define the form
803
00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:11,343
of folk horror with
a bit more nuance.
804
00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:12,910
John Bowen's "Robin Redbreast,"
805
00:44:12,954 --> 00:44:14,738
David Rudkin's "Panda's Fen,"
806
00:44:14,782 --> 00:44:16,522
and Alan Garner's "Red Shift."
807
00:44:16,566 --> 00:44:18,437
Now all three of those, I think,
808
00:44:18,481 --> 00:44:23,486
deal with the sort of temporal
qualities within place,
809
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:26,619
which is for me,
essential to folk horror.
810
00:44:26,663 --> 00:44:30,014
[gentle guitar music]
811
00:44:30,058 --> 00:44:34,105
♪ Baloo, my boy, lie
still and sleep ♪
812
00:44:34,149 --> 00:44:38,675
♪ It grieves me sore
to hear thee weep ♪
813
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,766
♪ If thou'lt be
silent, I'll be glad ♪
814
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:47,553
♪ Thy moaning makes
my heart full sad ♪
815
00:44:47,597 --> 00:44:49,773
- [Howard] David
Rudkin, the playwright,
816
00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:52,036
particularly wrote
"Panda's Fen,"
817
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,344
which is a beautiful,
lyrical, very pagan piece
818
00:44:55,387 --> 00:44:58,521
about a young lad
coming to terms
819
00:44:58,564 --> 00:45:00,958
with his sexuality
and his identity
820
00:45:01,002 --> 00:45:03,831
and realizing that he's
never really going to be part
821
00:45:03,874 --> 00:45:07,312
of the culture that he
thought he was part of.
822
00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:11,316
♪ O'er thee I'll keep
my lonely watch ♪
823
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,060
♪ Intent thy lightest
breath to catch ♪
824
00:45:16,104 --> 00:45:19,934
It deals with issues of
geography of the land,
825
00:45:21,022 --> 00:45:23,067
of how we relate to the land.
826
00:45:23,111 --> 00:45:24,982
I would consider the land,
827
00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:27,028
but it also talks about the
idea of television itself.
828
00:45:27,071 --> 00:45:29,334
The lead character, the
young boy is haunted
829
00:45:29,378 --> 00:45:31,162
by a number of figures.
830
00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:34,513
He's haunted by a figure who's
basically Mary Whitehouse,
831
00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:36,864
who is presented in the
play as essentially being
832
00:45:36,907 --> 00:45:40,737
an avatar of a kind of
Manichaean witchcraft.
833
00:45:42,217 --> 00:45:44,001
The idea that there
is a sort of battle
834
00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:46,351
between good and evil and
there's two opposing forces.
835
00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:49,093
This idea that
there's good and evil,
836
00:45:49,137 --> 00:45:53,706
purity and impurity, is
something that Rudkin reject.
837
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:54,577
- Panda!
838
00:45:56,666 --> 00:45:59,321
[flames whoosh]
839
00:46:01,976 --> 00:46:05,893
- There you have seen your
true dark enemies of England,
840
00:46:05,936 --> 00:46:10,811
sick father and mother who
would have us children forever.
841
00:46:12,247 --> 00:46:13,726
- The questions around
national identity,
842
00:46:13,770 --> 00:46:14,858
which are often
embedded especially
843
00:46:14,902 --> 00:46:16,381
into British folk horror.
844
00:46:16,425 --> 00:46:18,862
It's there if you
want to read it there,
845
00:46:18,906 --> 00:46:22,648
and the paranoias that we
have around national identity
846
00:46:22,692 --> 00:46:26,087
are there, for
better or for worse.
847
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:27,915
- You know, thinking
about something like
848
00:46:27,958 --> 00:46:32,136
the play "Panda's Fen,"
the pace stays slow.
849
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:35,052
It has genre elements, but
would not have been seen
850
00:46:35,096 --> 00:46:36,401
connecting with the other things
851
00:46:36,445 --> 00:46:37,881
that we've been talking about.
852
00:46:37,925 --> 00:46:40,144
But something like
folk horror allows that
853
00:46:40,188 --> 00:46:41,319
to have a relationship.
854
00:46:41,363 --> 00:46:43,017
- [Man] Who are you?
855
00:46:44,453 --> 00:46:45,628
Bring me here?
856
00:46:47,108 --> 00:46:50,285
Slip of a girl, such
short time living,
857
00:46:51,808 --> 00:46:55,116
dead now so long, still
bring me, day after day,
858
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,643
bring me to this uneasy place.
859
00:47:02,819 --> 00:47:07,824
[leaves rustling]
[soft suspenseful music]
860
00:47:10,958 --> 00:47:15,310
- David Rudkin's later
piece, "The Living Grave,"
861
00:47:15,353 --> 00:47:17,616
which is all about
this woman Kitty
862
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:20,793
who is buried in
Dartmore in Devon and-
863
00:47:20,837 --> 00:47:22,621
- [Vic] In an unmarked grave.
864
00:47:22,665 --> 00:47:24,145
- [William] In an unmarked
grave, and so he sort of looks
865
00:47:24,188 --> 00:47:26,016
into the history of
her and who she was,
866
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:27,800
but he does it in
this very curious way
867
00:47:27,844 --> 00:47:30,978
in which he has a woman,
and this is all based
868
00:47:31,021 --> 00:47:33,937
on a true account of a woman
being put under hypnosis,
869
00:47:33,981 --> 00:47:36,853
and then she kind of embodies
and remembers Kitty's past
870
00:47:36,897 --> 00:47:39,160
and kind of recounts her
story through hypnosis.
871
00:47:39,203 --> 00:47:40,944
- [Vic] And part of
the fascination in that
872
00:47:40,988 --> 00:47:43,468
is kind of the use,
again, of new technology.
873
00:47:43,512 --> 00:47:44,687
- [William] Yeah,
and seeing the past
874
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:46,471
with these kind of filters.
875
00:47:46,515 --> 00:47:50,171
- [Vic] And multiple
layers of history and myth.
876
00:47:50,214 --> 00:47:54,175
- Such bounty there was, such
fruitfulness, Miss Palmer,
877
00:47:54,218 --> 00:47:56,481
from the blood that
drained from Robin Hood,
878
00:47:56,525 --> 00:47:58,222
so the old stories say.
879
00:47:58,266 --> 00:48:00,355
- [Howard] John Bowen
wrote "Robin Redbreast"
880
00:48:00,398 --> 00:48:04,054
about a woman who winds
up trapped in a village
881
00:48:04,098 --> 00:48:06,970
and trapped by a
pagan conspiracy.
882
00:48:07,014 --> 00:48:09,930
- [Woman] I'm sorry
if I sound hysterical.
883
00:48:09,973 --> 00:48:11,192
I'm alone here.
884
00:48:12,715 --> 00:48:15,196
I keep telling myself
it's only imagination,
885
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,198
but I've had proof now.
886
00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:22,246
There's something wrong, Jake.
887
00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:24,248
I don't know what it is.
888
00:48:24,292 --> 00:48:25,771
They're keeping me
here for something,
889
00:48:25,815 --> 00:48:29,123
making sure I can't
get away before Easter.
890
00:48:30,124 --> 00:48:32,735
[woman gasps]
891
00:48:32,778 --> 00:48:35,520
- Another aspect of English
culture that lends itself
892
00:48:35,564 --> 00:48:39,394
very well to folk horror is,
of course, the class system.
893
00:48:39,437 --> 00:48:42,266
- Four miles to the village,
and a mile from the road.
894
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:44,051
I'm going to live
in it for awhile.
895
00:48:44,094 --> 00:48:48,055
I've got to get used to
living on my own as it seems.
896
00:48:48,098 --> 00:48:51,536
It's clearly a good
place to start.
897
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:53,364
- [Mark] You're
looking at middle class
898
00:48:53,408 --> 00:48:56,715
or upper middle class
people essentially fearing
899
00:48:56,759 --> 00:48:59,588
what lower class
people or poor people
900
00:48:59,631 --> 00:49:00,981
do in the countryside.
901
00:49:01,024 --> 00:49:02,547
- As far as I can see,
902
00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:04,375
there's no privacy at
all in the country.
903
00:49:04,419 --> 00:49:06,203
Whatever you do, wherever
you go, everybody knows.
904
00:49:06,247 --> 00:49:07,944
- If you're going to go
around like Lady Chatterley,
905
00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,207
the woods are traditional,
some mossy glade
906
00:49:10,251 --> 00:49:11,382
where you can feel
the rough touch
907
00:49:11,426 --> 00:49:12,993
of the earth on your backside.
908
00:49:13,036 --> 00:49:15,778
- Rough touch of the
nettles more likely.
909
00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:19,782
- Far too many
people in the woods.
910
00:49:19,825 --> 00:49:21,653
- [Brunette Woman] People?
911
00:49:21,697 --> 00:49:23,655
- [Blonde Woman] One gets that
feeling, like being watched.
912
00:49:23,699 --> 00:49:26,354
[ominous music]
913
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:43,284
- [Howard] Children's
TV as well,
914
00:49:43,327 --> 00:49:44,763
has a lot of folk horror in it,
915
00:49:44,807 --> 00:49:47,070
things like "Children
of the Stones,"
916
00:49:47,114 --> 00:49:50,639
later on "Moondial,"
"Century Falls."
917
00:49:50,682 --> 00:49:53,294
- Things like
"Bagpuss" switches,
918
00:49:53,337 --> 00:49:56,036
enduringly popular
over many generations,
919
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:00,518
but is I find deeply
sinister with clockwork mice,
920
00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:04,479
talking toys, Victorian parlor
maids all coming to life
921
00:50:04,522 --> 00:50:08,178
inside a dusty, spooky,
dimly lit junk shop.
922
00:50:09,658 --> 00:50:12,052
What could be more
eerie than that?
923
00:50:12,095 --> 00:50:13,966
- There were sort of really
creepy children's shows.
924
00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:17,448
And I don't know why, but
that was kind of a trend
925
00:50:17,492 --> 00:50:19,102
at that particular point.
926
00:50:19,146 --> 00:50:21,713
[gentle music]
927
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:26,501
[saw buzzing]
928
00:50:29,765 --> 00:50:32,333
[gentle music]
929
00:50:35,727 --> 00:50:38,513
[wings flapping]
930
00:50:43,953 --> 00:50:46,129
[gentle music]
931
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:48,000
- And they were all
things that were drawing
932
00:50:48,044 --> 00:50:52,483
on British mythology, on
pagan mythology, folklore.
933
00:50:52,527 --> 00:50:55,312
- I think it was authors
probably tapping into
934
00:50:55,356 --> 00:50:57,662
this mystery that
you feel as a child
935
00:50:57,706 --> 00:51:01,710
when you hear these fairytales
and it represents danger
936
00:51:01,753 --> 00:51:04,147
as well as magic and mystery.
937
00:51:04,191 --> 00:51:06,584
I think children are
much more intelligent
938
00:51:06,628 --> 00:51:10,675
about understanding
symbolism and metaphor.
939
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,504
They just have an inherent
understanding of it.
940
00:51:13,548 --> 00:51:16,028
- Look at that part.
941
00:51:16,072 --> 00:51:18,161
It's an owl's head, see?
942
00:51:18,205 --> 00:51:19,075
- Yes.
943
00:51:20,903 --> 00:51:23,035
Well, I suppose it is
if you want it to be.
944
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:24,428
- I think that in itself
945
00:51:24,472 --> 00:51:25,951
is kind of interesting
and subversive
946
00:51:25,995 --> 00:51:27,866
because you have this
kind of generation
947
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:31,435
who'd grown out of the '60s,
suddenly adults, teachers,
948
00:51:31,479 --> 00:51:35,613
infiltrating the theoretically
conservative systems
949
00:51:35,657 --> 00:51:38,573
of education with their
kinda hippie ideas,
950
00:51:38,616 --> 00:51:40,357
their magical ideas.
951
00:51:40,401 --> 00:51:42,925
[eerie music]
952
00:51:45,232 --> 00:51:46,798
- With "The Company of Wolves,"
953
00:51:46,842 --> 00:51:49,192
there's a shift from the
children-focused stories
954
00:51:49,236 --> 00:51:52,108
that you get in 1970s
television series
955
00:51:52,152 --> 00:51:56,243
such as "Escape into Night"
or "The Owl Service."
956
00:51:57,592 --> 00:51:59,246
This narrative structure
of having stories
957
00:51:59,289 --> 00:52:01,073
within stories within dreams,
958
00:52:01,117 --> 00:52:03,728
to me seems to be
very much in keeping
959
00:52:03,772 --> 00:52:07,471
with the 1980s trend of
kind of postmodernism,
960
00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:09,908
this use of bricolage
and pastiche
961
00:52:09,952 --> 00:52:12,476
to kind of interweave all
these different elements
962
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,175
and intertextural
references together.
963
00:52:15,218 --> 00:52:19,222
This, I think, relates to all
the kind of numerous mutations
964
00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:23,574
and reiterations and retellings
of "Little Red Riding Hood."
965
00:52:23,618 --> 00:52:27,752
You have also the fact that in
Angela Carter's source book,
966
00:52:27,796 --> 00:52:31,843
she is kind of taking these
stories and re-imagining them
967
00:52:31,887 --> 00:52:35,325
in a way where they kind of
subvert the original stories
968
00:52:35,369 --> 00:52:38,285
and become, you know,
tools of liberation.
969
00:52:38,328 --> 00:52:41,244
[gentle music]
970
00:52:41,288 --> 00:52:43,290
And then in the film,
you have Rosaleen,
971
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:45,335
who through the
course of the film,
972
00:52:45,379 --> 00:52:46,945
she becomes the storyteller,
973
00:52:46,989 --> 00:52:49,774
but she becomes a very
transgressive one.
974
00:52:49,818 --> 00:52:51,254
- [Rosaleen] And after that,
the woman made the wolves
975
00:52:51,298 --> 00:52:53,256
come to sing to her
and the baby at night,
976
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:55,215
made them come and serenade her.
977
00:52:55,258 --> 00:52:57,217
- [Woman] But what pleasure
would there be in that,
978
00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:59,131
listening to a lot of wolves?
979
00:52:59,175 --> 00:53:01,003
Don't we have to
do it all the time?
980
00:53:01,046 --> 00:53:03,440
- The pleasure would
come from knowing
981
00:53:03,484 --> 00:53:05,268
the power that she had.
982
00:53:05,312 --> 00:53:07,052
♪ On the treetop
983
00:53:07,096 --> 00:53:08,619
- [Lindsay] So she's
taking on stories as a way
984
00:53:08,663 --> 00:53:12,014
to kind of exploring her
own power and agency.
985
00:53:12,057 --> 00:53:16,192
- [Rosaleen] She crept
inside to the world below.
986
00:53:18,499 --> 00:53:21,589
[soft ominous music]
987
00:53:25,201 --> 00:53:27,508
And that's all I'll tell you
988
00:53:28,683 --> 00:53:30,859
because that's all I know.
989
00:53:32,426 --> 00:53:34,950
[tense music]
990
00:53:48,224 --> 00:53:52,010
- The "Lair of the White
Worm" was based on a story
991
00:53:52,054 --> 00:53:55,318
by Bram Stoker, who of
course wrote "Dracula."
992
00:53:55,362 --> 00:53:58,669
It's kind of set in
contemporary times, the 1980s,
993
00:53:58,713 --> 00:54:03,195
and at that time you had
this trend for heritage films
994
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,024
looking at Britain's
imperialist history
995
00:54:06,068 --> 00:54:08,244
with a sense of nostalgia.
996
00:54:08,288 --> 00:54:10,507
And that was very much in
keeping with, you know,
997
00:54:10,551 --> 00:54:12,509
this heritage industry
that was being fueled
998
00:54:12,553 --> 00:54:14,076
by this nostalgia.
999
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,034
So I think one of
the ways that both
1000
00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:19,429
"The Lair of the White Worm"
and "The Company of Wolves"
1001
00:54:19,473 --> 00:54:22,345
reject the heritage film
is the upper classes
1002
00:54:22,389 --> 00:54:26,697
become completely monstrous
and completely inhuman.
1003
00:54:26,741 --> 00:54:28,525
[man screams]
1004
00:54:28,569 --> 00:54:30,701
In the heritage film,
you have landscape
1005
00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:32,964
which becomes scenery,
and that's very different
1006
00:54:33,008 --> 00:54:35,227
to the kind of darker
way that the landscape
1007
00:54:35,271 --> 00:54:37,447
is used in "Lair
of the White Worm."
1008
00:54:37,491 --> 00:54:40,102
It really emphasizes
the kind of the phallic
1009
00:54:40,145 --> 00:54:42,931
and the yonic forms, and you
have these underground caves
1010
00:54:42,974 --> 00:54:45,890
where the snake god resides.
1011
00:54:45,934 --> 00:54:47,936
[snake roars]
1012
00:54:47,979 --> 00:54:50,721
- It's something
about Britishness
1013
00:54:50,765 --> 00:54:53,550
that we think of as very
much to do with order.
1014
00:54:53,594 --> 00:54:56,074
There's a kind of
stereotypical impression
1015
00:54:56,118 --> 00:54:58,555
of a British person
is quite uptight,
1016
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:02,429
quite repressed, manners, rules,
all of this kind of thing.
1017
00:55:02,472 --> 00:55:04,256
And when you uncover that,
1018
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:05,910
it's this sort of idea
that there's something
1019
00:55:05,954 --> 00:55:07,782
much wilder underneath.
1020
00:55:07,825 --> 00:55:10,611
[dramatic music]
1021
00:55:12,482 --> 00:55:15,267
For my film "Prevenge," I
did quite a lot of research
1022
00:55:15,311 --> 00:55:18,401
about human sacrifice because
there are remains of bodies
1023
00:55:18,445 --> 00:55:20,838
that have been dug up in the UK
1024
00:55:20,882 --> 00:55:23,275
that they think were
possibly human sacrifices,
1025
00:55:23,319 --> 00:55:27,105
and when you contrast
that with what our idea
1026
00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:30,326
of Britishness is, it
makes you feel like
1027
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:32,850
our ancestors are alien to us.
1028
00:55:36,463 --> 00:55:39,379
[soft tense music]
1029
00:55:43,818 --> 00:55:45,776
- [Kier-La] But this idea
of what's in the ground
1030
00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:48,475
and this attempt to
bury the old traditions,
1031
00:55:48,518 --> 00:55:50,651
trying to hide or dismiss
where we come from,
1032
00:55:50,694 --> 00:55:52,957
is still the key idea
of British folk horror
1033
00:55:53,001 --> 00:55:54,611
right up to today.
1034
00:55:54,655 --> 00:55:57,179
[tense music]
1035
00:56:06,188 --> 00:56:07,668
- [Man] Am I dead?
1036
00:56:08,712 --> 00:56:09,844
- Come, friend, I'll protect you
1037
00:56:09,887 --> 00:56:12,368
from yourself as best I can.
1038
00:56:12,412 --> 00:56:15,023
[gentle music]
1039
00:56:37,915 --> 00:56:40,657
- [Andy] In a way, it's
a historical drama,
1040
00:56:40,701 --> 00:56:42,877
but there's a sense of uncanny,
1041
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,663
there's a sense of the
history of the nation.
1042
00:56:46,707 --> 00:56:48,752
- What do you see friend?
1043
00:56:51,276 --> 00:56:53,931
- Nothing. Perhaps only shadows.
1044
00:56:55,933 --> 00:56:59,110
[dramatic drum music]
1045
00:57:03,724 --> 00:57:06,553
- [Andy] The blood
flows into the soil.
1046
00:57:06,596 --> 00:57:09,556
It's still there,
it's still resonant.
1047
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:13,603
[dramatic drum music continues]
1048
00:57:17,738 --> 00:57:20,871
- Generally speaking, we wanna
believe that the thoughts
1049
00:57:20,915 --> 00:57:25,093
and fears and beliefs
of a past generation,
1050
00:57:25,136 --> 00:57:28,226
we've sort of transcended
them, we've grown out of them.,
1051
00:57:28,270 --> 00:57:29,706
we're above them.
1052
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:31,229
Horror films always
pose this problem
1053
00:57:31,273 --> 00:57:34,581
that in fact, it's
not as simple as that.
1054
00:57:43,503 --> 00:57:46,244
- So ya have a short TV
play called "Murrain,"
1055
00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:50,161
which is about a vet who
discovers that a group
1056
00:57:51,598 --> 00:57:53,425
of local farmers
and farm laborers
1057
00:57:53,469 --> 00:57:55,123
have turned against an old
woman because they're convinced
1058
00:57:55,166 --> 00:57:56,907
that she's a witch
who's cursed them,
1059
00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:59,823
and it's a lovely
little character piece.
1060
00:57:59,867 --> 00:58:03,871
It has a moment in the
middle where he discovers
1061
00:58:06,221 --> 00:58:09,441
that these farmers believe
that they're cursed.
1062
00:58:09,485 --> 00:58:12,357
And he says, "But
what about a science?"
1063
00:58:12,401 --> 00:58:14,577
- They've got you
trained to thinking
1064
00:58:14,621 --> 00:58:16,492
nothing's true if
it's not in books
1065
00:58:16,536 --> 00:58:18,755
or you can't shove it in
a bottle and analyze it.
1066
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:20,278
- That's called knowledge.
- Work out the rules,
1067
00:58:20,322 --> 00:58:21,758
and what the rules
don't fit, don't happen.
1068
00:58:21,802 --> 00:58:23,586
- The purpose of science-
1069
00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:25,109
- [Man] Tellin' you, friend,
you got the rules wrong!
1070
00:58:25,153 --> 00:58:26,284
- And the vet says...
1071
00:58:26,328 --> 00:58:27,764
- Then we change the rules.
1072
00:58:27,808 --> 00:58:28,939
- Oh!
1073
00:58:28,983 --> 00:58:30,506
- "When the rules don't work,
1074
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:31,594
we make new rules,
we work it out."
1075
00:58:31,638 --> 00:58:33,553
- But we don't go back.
1076
00:58:36,164 --> 00:58:38,166
- And "we don't go back"
1077
00:58:40,516 --> 00:58:43,998
is the fundamental
tension of folk horror.
1078
00:58:44,041 --> 00:58:46,653
[gentle music]
1079
00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:51,919
We don't go back
because if we go back,
1080
00:58:54,008 --> 00:58:57,707
we enter a realm of
superstition and madness.
1081
00:59:01,058 --> 00:59:03,321
[women screaming]
1082
00:59:03,365 --> 00:59:05,846
[man screams]
1083
00:59:11,939 --> 00:59:15,812
- [Man] Wouldst thou
like to live deliciously?
1084
00:59:15,856 --> 00:59:19,294
[disjointed eerie music]
1085
00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:22,993
- [Witch] By the
pricking of my thumbs,
1086
00:59:23,037 --> 00:59:25,996
something wicked this way comes.
1087
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,520
[group laughs]
1088
00:59:28,564 --> 00:59:29,913
- [Man] Till the time comes
1089
00:59:29,957 --> 00:59:32,350
dark days and
nights [indistinct].
1090
00:59:32,394 --> 00:59:37,312
[group chanting]
[eerie movie music]
1091
00:59:43,405 --> 00:59:46,408
- There were lots of things
that were in the air,
1092
00:59:46,451 --> 00:59:48,932
and I think that in the 1970s,
1093
00:59:50,455 --> 00:59:53,458
you had one of the
very first periods
1094
00:59:53,502 --> 00:59:56,374
in the 20th century
British history
1095
00:59:56,418 --> 00:59:58,246
where people, for
a long time anyway,
1096
00:59:58,289 --> 01:00:00,378
where people became convinced
that actually Britain
1097
01:00:00,422 --> 01:00:02,206
wasn't kind of great.
1098
01:00:02,250 --> 01:00:05,035
You come out of the '60s, which
is a very celebratory era,
1099
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:08,604
and suddenly you have
a period of austerity.
1100
01:00:08,648 --> 01:00:10,954
You have a government
that calls an election
1101
01:00:10,998 --> 01:00:12,739
thinking they're gonna smash it,
1102
01:00:12,782 --> 01:00:14,566
and then it goes a bit wrong.
1103
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:18,048
You have a big divisive
referendum about Europe.
1104
01:00:18,092 --> 01:00:20,094
Over the pond you have
an American president
1105
01:00:20,137 --> 01:00:22,574
who's going through like
a two-year-long scandal
1106
01:00:22,618 --> 01:00:25,403
about things he did wrong
in his reelection campaign.
1107
01:00:25,447 --> 01:00:29,451
None of these things sort
of exist in isolation,
1108
01:00:30,844 --> 01:00:31,975
so you also have
like this big rise
1109
01:00:32,019 --> 01:00:34,064
in interest in the occult.
1110
01:00:34,108 --> 01:00:37,067
♪ Jet white dove,
snow black snake ♪
1111
01:00:37,111 --> 01:00:40,331
♪ Time has turned his face
1112
01:00:40,375 --> 01:00:43,117
♪ From the edge of mystery
1113
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,598
♪ Where running is no race
1114
01:00:46,642 --> 01:00:49,340
♪ Ageless night, careless day
1115
01:00:49,384 --> 01:00:52,430
♪ Fate reaches out a hand
1116
01:00:52,474 --> 01:00:55,259
♪ To touch the edge of destiny
1117
01:00:55,303 --> 01:00:58,480
♪ A story with no end
1118
01:01:03,398 --> 01:01:05,748
- A lot of witchcraft
going on in the late '60s,
1119
01:01:05,792 --> 01:01:09,012
which is becoming a
more prevalent idea
1120
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,974
amongst young educated
intellectuals.
1121
01:01:14,017 --> 01:01:16,106
It's no longer just a thing
that the country folk do.
1122
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:18,195
When you have like the
films kind of Kenneth Anger,
1123
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:21,329
there's this kind of sense
that witchcraft is becoming-
1124
01:01:21,372 --> 01:01:23,026
- [William] This
is a modern thing.
1125
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:24,462
- A modern thing.
- That magic can be modern.
1126
01:01:24,506 --> 01:01:25,637
It's not just
something in the past.
1127
01:01:25,681 --> 01:01:26,769
- The factories were closing,
1128
01:01:26,813 --> 01:01:28,553
so the kids went off traveling.
1129
01:01:28,597 --> 01:01:30,991
They followed The
Beatles, really, to India.
1130
01:01:31,034 --> 01:01:32,557
- [Newsreel Narrator] Far
from the noise and pace
1131
01:01:32,601 --> 01:01:34,342
of city life in
the cool, clear air
1132
01:01:34,385 --> 01:01:37,562
of Rishikesh, North
India, Pathe News reports
1133
01:01:37,606 --> 01:01:41,218
from the meditation retreat
of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
1134
01:01:41,262 --> 01:01:42,785
- They discovered cheap drugs,
1135
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:44,482
they discovered
different ways of life.
1136
01:01:44,526 --> 01:01:47,790
They discovered
entire ways of being
1137
01:01:47,834 --> 01:01:50,010
that were intact for
thousands of years
1138
01:01:50,053 --> 01:01:51,533
and that intrigued them.
1139
01:01:51,576 --> 01:01:54,188
And they came back here
and wanted to know,
1140
01:01:54,231 --> 01:01:56,973
well, where's, England's one?
1141
01:01:57,017 --> 01:01:58,496
How do we do it?
1142
01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:00,368
Witchcraft is the only
religion that the UK
1143
01:02:00,411 --> 01:02:02,152
has ever given to the world.
1144
01:02:02,196 --> 01:02:05,808
And it was so popular
amongst musicians and people,
1145
01:02:05,852 --> 01:02:08,158
and so because
famous people were,
1146
01:02:08,202 --> 01:02:09,986
the rest of people followed.
1147
01:02:10,030 --> 01:02:12,597
And it just grew and
grew and grew from there.
1148
01:02:12,641 --> 01:02:15,426
- And it's not
like everybody knew
1149
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:19,169
a spiritualist medium
or knew a pagan,
1150
01:02:19,213 --> 01:02:21,563
but everybody knew
someone who knew a pagan.
1151
01:02:21,606 --> 01:02:25,219
- [Narrator] Lonely,
Diana desired a lover.
1152
01:02:26,263 --> 01:02:28,396
That desire became the dawn,
1153
01:02:30,137 --> 01:02:34,402
and from the dawn came the
son Lucifer, the God of light.
1154
01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:38,493
[twangy string music]
1155
01:02:39,755 --> 01:02:42,845
- Pagan and sort of folk culture
1156
01:02:42,889 --> 01:02:44,804
is very much part
of where I'm from.
1157
01:02:44,847 --> 01:02:47,850
Like when I was at school,
we'd do quote unquote
1158
01:02:47,894 --> 01:02:49,809
country dancing, which
was the sort of thing
1159
01:02:49,852 --> 01:02:52,115
you see in "The Wicker
Man" where we'd go out
1160
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:53,900
and we'd dance
round the May Pole.
1161
01:02:53,943 --> 01:02:57,381
Christian festivals like
Candlemas and Harvest Festival
1162
01:02:57,425 --> 01:03:00,558
were intertwined with
these sort of folk customs.
1163
01:03:00,602 --> 01:03:04,214
So it was very much part
of the local culture
1164
01:03:04,258 --> 01:03:06,216
to integrate these two things,
1165
01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:08,740
because traditionally
Christianity and paganism
1166
01:03:08,784 --> 01:03:10,917
have always been sort of mashed.
1167
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,833
[church bells ringing]
1168
01:03:13,876 --> 01:03:17,227
- [Priest] And so, at
this time of fulfillment
1169
01:03:17,271 --> 01:03:20,752
of the country year,
let our thoughts return
1170
01:03:20,796 --> 01:03:25,322
to that one source from which
all good gifts come from,
1171
01:03:27,324 --> 01:03:30,806
to bring it forth once
more in the spring
1172
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:34,854
when the green shoots
pierce the earth in praise
1173
01:03:36,333 --> 01:03:39,641
of the only begetter
of all our goodness.
1174
01:03:42,035 --> 01:03:45,777
- This cup is the new
covenant in my blood.
1175
01:03:45,821 --> 01:03:48,868
This oft as you drink
it in remembrance of me,
1176
01:03:48,911 --> 01:03:53,481
for as often as you eat this
bread and drink this wine,
1177
01:03:55,222 --> 01:03:58,660
you do show the Lord's
death till He comes again.
1178
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,318
- For the 1973 film,
"The Wicker Man"
1179
01:04:04,361 --> 01:04:08,452
director, Robin Hardy and
scriptwriter Anthony Shaffer
1180
01:04:08,496 --> 01:04:11,151
researched with books such
as "The White Goddess"
1181
01:04:11,194 --> 01:04:15,677
by Robert Graves and "The
Golden Bough" by James Frazer.
1182
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,899
Now, these books have
since been questioned
1183
01:04:19,942 --> 01:04:23,380
by academics and scholars
as to the authenticity
1184
01:04:23,424 --> 01:04:26,775
of the folk customs
and religious rights
1185
01:04:28,211 --> 01:04:29,996
which are contained
within the books,
1186
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,650
yet have certain things
such as the mummies parade.
1187
01:04:32,694 --> 01:04:35,044
You have the Hand of Glory.
1188
01:04:35,088 --> 01:04:37,568
You have the Wicker Man itself,
1189
01:04:37,612 --> 01:04:40,702
the existence of
which was quoted
1190
01:04:40,745 --> 01:04:43,835
in Roman times by
Roman invaders,
1191
01:04:43,879 --> 01:04:45,837
and it still isn't known whether
1192
01:04:45,881 --> 01:04:47,665
it was a clever
piece of propaganda
1193
01:04:47,709 --> 01:04:52,235
or whether people in the
Celtic and Gaulish countries
1194
01:04:52,279 --> 01:04:55,673
did actually burn animals
and possibly other people
1195
01:04:55,717 --> 01:05:00,200
as sacrifices within giant
humanoid wicker structures.
1196
01:05:02,898 --> 01:05:05,509
- Of course the difficulty
is there's no bible
1197
01:05:05,553 --> 01:05:07,511
of what these customs were.
1198
01:05:07,555 --> 01:05:10,558
So, often you're
connecting it with revived
1199
01:05:10,601 --> 01:05:14,127
or reinvented customs
via modern witchcraft
1200
01:05:15,911 --> 01:05:18,348
and people like Doreen
Valiente who was the doyenne
1201
01:05:18,392 --> 01:05:21,395
of what we think of as
traditional things that,
1202
01:05:21,438 --> 01:05:23,571
well, they have their
roots in tradition,
1203
01:05:23,614 --> 01:05:25,094
but they were invented,
1204
01:05:25,138 --> 01:05:27,444
but movies will
always need to go
1205
01:05:27,488 --> 01:05:29,533
for what looks good on screen,
1206
01:05:29,577 --> 01:05:31,927
so they may well
play their own game.
1207
01:05:31,971 --> 01:05:34,190
And sometimes it's
frustrating for a folklorist
1208
01:05:34,234 --> 01:05:38,716
because what it says in the
movie becomes the folklore.
1209
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,240
- [Boy] What's this?
1210
01:05:40,283 --> 01:05:42,851
- Tell me, do you
believe in magic?
1211
01:05:44,635 --> 01:05:47,769
[soft ominous music]
1212
01:05:54,689 --> 01:05:58,214
- You also have a film such
as Robert Eggers' "The Witch,"
1213
01:05:58,258 --> 01:06:02,088
which I love for the
elements of witchcraft
1214
01:06:02,131 --> 01:06:06,048
that have not appeared
in film beforehand,
1215
01:06:06,092 --> 01:06:10,270
the things such as the
transformation into a hare.
1216
01:06:13,882 --> 01:06:18,539
- The hare is a huge part of
folklore in Western Europe,
1217
01:06:20,149 --> 01:06:21,629
particularly the British Isles,
1218
01:06:21,672 --> 01:06:24,153
but we don't really have hares.
1219
01:06:24,197 --> 01:06:26,068
You know, there's
jackrabbits out West
1220
01:06:26,112 --> 01:06:28,331
in American mythology,
but in New England
1221
01:06:28,375 --> 01:06:29,506
we didn't really have that,
1222
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:31,552
so that whole line was lost.
1223
01:06:33,293 --> 01:06:35,860
- [Andy] The pulverizing
of the baby's body
1224
01:06:35,904 --> 01:06:40,169
to make flying ointment,
reciting the Book of Shadows,
1225
01:06:40,213 --> 01:06:43,259
things like this
relate to stuff such as
1226
01:06:43,303 --> 01:06:48,047
the "Malleus Maleficarum" and
"The Discovery of Witches."
1227
01:06:50,353 --> 01:06:53,139
- Witches is one
area where we do have
1228
01:06:53,182 --> 01:06:55,967
more of a folk horror
tradition in the United States
1229
01:06:56,011 --> 01:06:57,491
because of the
Salem Witch Trials,
1230
01:06:57,534 --> 01:07:01,625
and because the Puritans
wrote everything down.
1231
01:07:01,669 --> 01:07:04,063
New England was the
most literate place
1232
01:07:04,106 --> 01:07:06,456
in the Western World
in the 17th century.
1233
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:11,505
Ya know, Cotton Mather being
one of tons and tons and tons
1234
01:07:13,246 --> 01:07:14,812
of Puritans who were obsessive
about writing things down.
1235
01:07:14,856 --> 01:07:17,337
- Memorable providences
relating to witchcraft
1236
01:07:17,380 --> 01:07:19,861
and possession by Cotton Mather.
1237
01:07:19,904 --> 01:07:21,732
I read from it all the time.
1238
01:07:21,776 --> 01:07:25,214
- The witch is a source
of persistent fascination
1239
01:07:25,258 --> 01:07:28,043
and consternation
throughout the world.
1240
01:07:28,087 --> 01:07:31,133
This is true in Africa,
this is true in Europe,
1241
01:07:31,177 --> 01:07:33,092
this is true in
the South Pacific,
1242
01:07:33,135 --> 01:07:35,311
and this is true in
the United States.
1243
01:07:35,355 --> 01:07:39,707
And it really begs questions
about how uncomfortable
1244
01:07:41,535 --> 01:07:44,929
humanity as a whole has
been with feminine power.
1245
01:07:46,714 --> 01:07:48,759
- I think as well because of
the sort of feminist readings
1246
01:07:48,803 --> 01:07:51,501
you can make of folk
horror specifically
1247
01:07:51,545 --> 01:07:54,722
because of the witch
figure and goddesses
1248
01:07:54,765 --> 01:07:56,767
and this connection
to femininity.
1249
01:07:56,811 --> 01:07:59,770
- And I think that's reflected
also in "Night of the Eagle,"
1250
01:07:59,814 --> 01:08:01,859
which is a film
with Peter Wyngarde,
1251
01:08:01,903 --> 01:08:03,861
also about a sort
of very rational guy
1252
01:08:03,905 --> 01:08:06,037
who's a college
lecturer, but his wife
1253
01:08:06,081 --> 01:08:09,084
has been doing witchcraft to
sort of protect his position
1254
01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:11,173
at the school, and he
says, "That's stupid.
1255
01:08:11,217 --> 01:08:12,696
We shouldn't use
witchcraft anymore,
1256
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:14,524
we're modern, we're rational."
1257
01:08:14,568 --> 01:08:16,874
And she is stopped from
doing this witchcraft stuff
1258
01:08:16,918 --> 01:08:18,920
and then bad stuff
starts to happen to him.
1259
01:08:18,963 --> 01:08:21,052
So there's a sense that
even though he's rational,
1260
01:08:21,096 --> 01:08:23,620
even though he chooses
not to believe in it,
1261
01:08:23,664 --> 01:08:25,927
maybe the old forces
still have power.
1262
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:28,756
- I want some kind
of explanation.
1263
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:30,453
- But is it obvious?
1264
01:08:31,411 --> 01:08:32,238
I'm a witch.
1265
01:08:32,281 --> 01:08:35,110
[dramatic music]
1266
01:08:35,154 --> 01:08:37,895
- When we think of
horror cinematically,
1267
01:08:37,939 --> 01:08:40,768
we're looking at a
male-dominated genre.
1268
01:08:40,811 --> 01:08:43,162
We're looking at the
Draculas, the Frankensteins,
1269
01:08:43,205 --> 01:08:44,728
you know, and that
sort of thing.
1270
01:08:44,772 --> 01:08:47,078
And then by the time
it gets to the '60s,
1271
01:08:47,122 --> 01:08:50,386
we start to see more
powerful female characters,
1272
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:52,606
things in like
Hammer's "The Witches."
1273
01:08:52,649 --> 01:08:55,130
- We have all these
different figures
1274
01:08:55,174 --> 01:08:57,828
that we're fascinated
with, the zombie,
1275
01:08:57,872 --> 01:09:00,483
the vampire, the werewolf.
1276
01:09:00,527 --> 01:09:02,485
We're fascinated with
issues of reincarnation,
1277
01:09:02,529 --> 01:09:04,618
all these things that touch
upon the supernatural,
1278
01:09:04,661 --> 01:09:07,186
but none like the witch,
1279
01:09:07,229 --> 01:09:10,189
and that puts us in
front of a huge question.
1280
01:09:10,232 --> 01:09:12,756
- When you look at
traditionally witches,
1281
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,977
we have this idea of
the hag, this old woman,
1282
01:09:16,020 --> 01:09:17,935
the medicine bringer.
1283
01:09:17,979 --> 01:09:19,763
Traditionally, she would have
been the midwife, the doctor,
1284
01:09:19,807 --> 01:09:22,244
she would have had a
purpose in the community.
1285
01:09:22,288 --> 01:09:24,115
She would have had power.
1286
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:27,031
- It's impossible to
understand the development
1287
01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:30,165
of the suffragist
movement in America
1288
01:09:31,993 --> 01:09:36,215
without understanding how
it was entwined in its DNA
1289
01:09:37,172 --> 01:09:39,696
with American occultism.
1290
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:42,786
The two were absolutely joined.
1291
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:46,442
- In the 1800s, when
you had occult belief
1292
01:09:46,486 --> 01:09:48,705
and occult activity
become more prominent,
1293
01:09:48,749 --> 01:09:52,666
you saw prominent female
figures holding high ranking,
1294
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:54,842
look at Madame Blavatsky.
1295
01:09:54,885 --> 01:09:57,627
She founded the
Theosophical Society.
1296
01:09:57,671 --> 01:10:00,151
You know, high priestesses
like Moina Mathers
1297
01:10:00,195 --> 01:10:02,806
who came out of the Hermetic
Order of the Golden Dawn.
1298
01:10:02,850 --> 01:10:05,548
- The earliest spirit
mediums when the movement
1299
01:10:05,592 --> 01:10:09,030
of spiritualism swept
the country, were women.
1300
01:10:09,073 --> 01:10:12,860
And this became the
first time in modern life
1301
01:10:14,383 --> 01:10:17,995
that women could serve
as religious leaders
1302
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:19,519
of a certain sort.
1303
01:10:20,607 --> 01:10:22,173
- And I think it's this thing
1304
01:10:22,217 --> 01:10:24,524
of women having power
that makes it so scary.
1305
01:10:24,567 --> 01:10:28,745
- "The Witch" represents
men's fears and fantasies
1306
01:10:30,573 --> 01:10:34,403
and ambivalences about
women and female power
1307
01:10:34,447 --> 01:10:36,362
and female sexuality.
1308
01:10:36,405 --> 01:10:39,278
You know, she also embodies
women's own fears and anxieties
1309
01:10:39,321 --> 01:10:41,497
about their power in themselves
1310
01:10:41,541 --> 01:10:44,326
in a male-dominated
society to some extent.
1311
01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:48,199
Certainly that's what the
evil fairytale witch is.
1312
01:10:48,243 --> 01:10:51,290
[soft ominous music]
1313
01:10:56,556 --> 01:10:58,340
- Even if you look at something
1314
01:10:58,384 --> 01:11:01,778
like Benjamin Christensen's
silent film "Haxan,"
1315
01:11:01,822 --> 01:11:04,564
there's this connection
between mental illness
1316
01:11:04,607 --> 01:11:07,610
and witchcraft, and he sort
of points out this idea
1317
01:11:07,654 --> 01:11:10,700
that maybe these
figures aren't evil,
1318
01:11:10,744 --> 01:11:12,572
maybe they're not supernatural.
1319
01:11:12,615 --> 01:11:15,879
Maybe they're just different
for a wide variety of reasons.
1320
01:11:15,923 --> 01:11:18,317
And I think to me,
that's the common thread,
1321
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,755
is this female type
that's existing outside
1322
01:11:21,798 --> 01:11:25,236
of what is expected of her
and what she's supposed to be.
1323
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,240
- We all have things that have
become our folk traditions.
1324
01:11:29,284 --> 01:11:31,242
- When we get to
the '80s and '90s,
1325
01:11:31,286 --> 01:11:33,375
the witch has become girl power,
1326
01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:35,551
it's become "The
Witches of Eastwick,"
1327
01:11:35,595 --> 01:11:37,379
it's become "The Craft."
1328
01:11:37,423 --> 01:11:40,295
It's become cool to be this
powerful witchy figure.
1329
01:11:40,339 --> 01:11:42,906
- You know, 'cause
we are marvelous,
1330
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:45,387
because we are
still the renegades.
1331
01:11:45,431 --> 01:11:47,476
And we're happy to
be the renegades.
1332
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,260
I don't wanna be respectful,
thank you very much.
1333
01:11:49,304 --> 01:11:51,785
- You girls watch out
for those weirdos.
1334
01:11:51,828 --> 01:11:56,137
- [chuckles] We are
the weirdos, mister.
1335
01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:57,965
[door thuds]
1336
01:11:58,008 --> 01:12:01,577
- So I think that's why
the witch, of all monsters,
1337
01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:04,406
is the most dangerous
because she represents
1338
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:08,628
feminine world
takeover. [laughs]
1339
01:12:09,803 --> 01:12:14,547
[dramatic music]
[witch laughing]
1340
01:12:22,903 --> 01:12:25,558
[ominous music]
1341
01:12:28,387 --> 01:12:31,172
[fire crackling]
1342
01:12:35,829 --> 01:12:38,440
- It's impossible to really
understand the history
1343
01:12:38,484 --> 01:12:40,442
of this country
unless one understands
1344
01:12:40,486 --> 01:12:42,618
that religious experimentation,
1345
01:12:42,662 --> 01:12:47,188
religious radicalism was
there at its very, very root.
1346
01:12:48,929 --> 01:12:53,760
Going back to the 1600s, the
U.S. Colonies were considered
1347
01:12:55,501 --> 01:12:58,721
a safe harbor for people with
radical religious beliefs,
1348
01:12:58,765 --> 01:13:02,725
all kinds of different little
mystical Christian grouplets
1349
01:13:02,769 --> 01:13:06,816
from throughout Europe,
and that inspired people
1350
01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:08,339
to found their own colonies.
1351
01:13:08,383 --> 01:13:10,907
And very early
on, very early on,
1352
01:13:10,951 --> 01:13:13,562
in American colonial history,
1353
01:13:13,606 --> 01:13:16,826
you start to hear about things
that we later came to call
1354
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:19,699
seances and
channeling and mediums
1355
01:13:21,135 --> 01:13:23,659
and people were sort
of branching off
1356
01:13:23,703 --> 01:13:25,444
into these little grouplets.
1357
01:13:25,487 --> 01:13:28,011
It was a very,
very rural country.
1358
01:13:28,055 --> 01:13:31,188
You really had very
little social life
1359
01:13:31,232 --> 01:13:34,061
outside of farm,
trade, and church,
1360
01:13:35,497 --> 01:13:38,369
and people would experiment.
1361
01:13:38,413 --> 01:13:40,894
[tense music]
1362
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:49,859
They would form either into
preexisting fraternal orders,
1363
01:13:49,903 --> 01:13:52,427
like Freemasonry,
or they would form
1364
01:13:52,471 --> 01:13:54,081
their own little colonies.
1365
01:13:54,124 --> 01:13:56,213
[gentle music]
1366
01:13:56,257 --> 01:13:59,565
- [Girl] Mr. Will said we'd
start our own settlement
1367
01:13:59,608 --> 01:14:01,436
in the promised land.
1368
01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:07,181
He said if we just floated down
the river it would find us.
1369
01:14:09,139 --> 01:14:12,273
- I first used the term
folk horror in 2006
1370
01:14:12,316 --> 01:14:14,797
when I was writing a book
called "American Gothic,"
1371
01:14:14,841 --> 01:14:19,236
and on that occasion, I
referred to a 1923 silent film
1372
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,413
called "Puritan
Passions" as folk horror.
1373
01:14:22,457 --> 01:14:25,895
And that film is now lost,
but it was based on stories
1374
01:14:25,939 --> 01:14:29,420
by Nathaniel Hawthorne,
who was a 19th century
1375
01:14:29,464 --> 01:14:31,161
contemporary of
Edgar Allen Poe's,
1376
01:14:31,205 --> 01:14:32,989
and he had a very personal stake
1377
01:14:33,033 --> 01:14:35,731
in America's ancestral
folk horror, if you like,
1378
01:14:35,775 --> 01:14:37,646
in that one of his
ancestors had been a judge
1379
01:14:37,690 --> 01:14:39,735
at the Salem Witch Trials.
1380
01:14:39,779 --> 01:14:41,737
- Fasten your
seatbelts, everybody.
1381
01:14:41,781 --> 01:14:44,479
Harold is about to conduct
another one of his tours
1382
01:14:44,523 --> 01:14:46,263
to the 17th century.
1383
01:14:46,307 --> 01:14:47,743
- 17th century?
1384
01:14:47,787 --> 01:14:50,093
That was in the Puritan
times, wasn't it?
1385
01:14:50,137 --> 01:14:52,835
[group cackling]
1386
01:14:57,884 --> 01:15:00,364
- The horror trope of
the small town hiding
1387
01:15:00,408 --> 01:15:02,932
a terrible secret is
influenced very much
1388
01:15:02,976 --> 01:15:05,326
by the Puritan legacy
and by the legacy
1389
01:15:05,369 --> 01:15:08,111
of the Salem Witch
Trials in particular.
1390
01:15:08,155 --> 01:15:10,374
And I think that perhaps
the deepest disquiet of all
1391
01:15:10,418 --> 01:15:13,377
comes from the recognition
that the community
1392
01:15:13,421 --> 01:15:15,945
and the wilderness could
turn against itself
1393
01:15:15,989 --> 01:15:17,947
with really frightening speed.
1394
01:15:17,991 --> 01:15:20,471
- [Group] Kill,
kill, kill, kill!
1395
01:15:20,515 --> 01:15:22,212
- [Bernice] The specter
of the colony that fails
1396
01:15:22,256 --> 01:15:23,997
is one of the most
powerful anxieties
1397
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,217
in the American psyche,
and it manifests itself
1398
01:15:27,261 --> 01:15:31,961
time and time again in the
rural gothic and in folk horror.
1399
01:15:32,005 --> 01:15:34,137
- Most American horror,
"American Gothic,"
1400
01:15:34,181 --> 01:15:36,836
like Stephen King, has its roots
1401
01:15:36,879 --> 01:15:40,187
in the same European
witchcraft anxiety.
1402
01:15:40,230 --> 01:15:43,669
So "Salem's Lot," you
know, "Pet Sematary,"
1403
01:15:43,712 --> 01:15:45,366
although "Pet Sematary"
has this First Nations,
1404
01:15:45,409 --> 01:15:48,021
Native American narrative, too.
1405
01:15:49,457 --> 01:15:51,807
- Yeah, so the Puritans
are weird. [chuckles]
1406
01:15:51,851 --> 01:15:54,505
They believed a
lotta weird stuff.
1407
01:15:54,549 --> 01:15:57,030
When they arrived to the
Americas, they thought
1408
01:15:57,073 --> 01:16:00,250
the New England colonies
would be like paradise.
1409
01:16:00,294 --> 01:16:02,601
And so, when they realized that
there were other people here
1410
01:16:02,644 --> 01:16:05,081
that had been here for
many, many years before,
1411
01:16:05,125 --> 01:16:09,608
they basically read them as
like manifestations of Satan.
1412
01:16:09,651 --> 01:16:12,611
And so, Native Americans,
according to Puritans,
1413
01:16:12,654 --> 01:16:16,832
were put on this Earth
to basically test them.
1414
01:16:16,876 --> 01:16:20,009
As we get into the
development of like
1415
01:16:20,053 --> 01:16:23,839
an American literary tradition,
we get indigenous ghosts.
1416
01:16:23,883 --> 01:16:26,842
It renders indigenous
people as sort of inevitably
1417
01:16:26,886 --> 01:16:29,889
going to disappear, as like
a sort of ontological status
1418
01:16:29,932 --> 01:16:32,195
of indigenous people, just
like something that is part
1419
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,633
of their being that's
inevitably going to happen.
1420
01:16:34,676 --> 01:16:36,547
- No!
1421
01:16:36,591 --> 01:16:38,375
- And not that indigenous
people are disappearing
1422
01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:42,684
because of intentional
actions by white settlers
1423
01:16:42,728 --> 01:16:45,295
that destroyed their
cities and their lands
1424
01:16:45,339 --> 01:16:47,558
and their languages
and disrupted families.
1425
01:16:47,602 --> 01:16:51,954
So, it sort of takes some of
the guilt off of settlers.
1426
01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:54,957
It sort of obviously
others indigenous people,
1427
01:16:55,001 --> 01:16:58,395
and they're so other that
they're like other worldly.
1428
01:16:58,439 --> 01:16:59,788
We're all ghosts.
1429
01:16:59,832 --> 01:17:01,703
We have these mystical
magical powers,
1430
01:17:01,747 --> 01:17:06,752
we can return and give you
our knowledge or haunt you.
1431
01:17:08,188 --> 01:17:10,059
You know, indigenous
stories matter,
1432
01:17:10,103 --> 01:17:13,149
but indigenous people don't
matter in this framework.
1433
01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:15,717
It's that, you know, we
want all of the good stuff
1434
01:17:15,761 --> 01:17:18,154
that your cultures have,
like your knowledge
1435
01:17:18,198 --> 01:17:21,331
and your practices and
your sort of ability
1436
01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:23,594
to navigate the environment
and be good caretakers
1437
01:17:23,638 --> 01:17:27,163
of the environment,
but we don't want you.
1438
01:17:27,207 --> 01:17:32,081
- A few years ago when there
was millions of Indians, see,
1439
01:17:32,125 --> 01:17:35,911
they covered this
land like buffaloes,
1440
01:17:35,955 --> 01:17:37,478
livin' their Indian ways
1441
01:17:37,521 --> 01:17:41,264
and practicin' their
strange tribal rights.
1442
01:17:41,308 --> 01:17:43,310
Tribes varied as they will do,
1443
01:17:43,353 --> 01:17:46,443
but one hard and fast rule
known to near every white man
1444
01:17:46,487 --> 01:17:49,969
was that you don't go kickin'
around their cemeteries
1445
01:17:50,012 --> 01:17:52,275
because that's sacred ground.
1446
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:57,324
- Look, there's no such thing
as an Indian burial ground.
1447
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,980
So, full stop. Let's
start with that.
1448
01:18:02,721 --> 01:18:05,114
So, when I think of the Indian
burial ground in movies,
1449
01:18:05,158 --> 01:18:07,813
I think of a plot device,
I think of something,
1450
01:18:07,856 --> 01:18:11,512
a figment of the
Western imagination.
1451
01:18:11,555 --> 01:18:16,386
- Construction started in
1907, was finished in 1909.
1452
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:17,736
The site is supposed
to be located
1453
01:18:17,779 --> 01:18:19,302
on an Indian burial ground,
1454
01:18:19,346 --> 01:18:20,956
and I believe they
actually had to repel
1455
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,959
a few Indian attacks as
they were building it.
1456
01:18:24,003 --> 01:18:26,570
- Well, there's
Ojibwe burial grounds,
1457
01:18:26,614 --> 01:18:29,660
there's Mohawk burial grounds,
there's Cree burial ground.
1458
01:18:29,704 --> 01:18:31,662
These are not Indian
burial grounds.
1459
01:18:31,706 --> 01:18:35,884
When you reduce a multinational
people into "Indian,"
1460
01:18:35,928 --> 01:18:40,933
which is what Hollywood
has done pretty effectively
1461
01:18:42,412 --> 01:18:44,153
for, you know, its
entire history,
1462
01:18:44,197 --> 01:18:45,981
you know, you're
working in fiction.
1463
01:18:46,025 --> 01:18:48,767
[creature howls]
1464
01:18:51,204 --> 01:18:54,294
- [Jud] This was
their burial ground.
1465
01:18:56,209 --> 01:18:58,037
- [Louis] Whose burial ground?
1466
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,343
- [Jud] Micmac Indians.
1467
01:19:00,387 --> 01:19:02,171
- [Kier-La] The Indian burial
ground trope in fiction
1468
01:19:02,215 --> 01:19:04,173
goes back to the 18th century,
1469
01:19:04,217 --> 01:19:06,175
but when Stephen King was
writing "Pet Sematary,"
1470
01:19:06,219 --> 01:19:07,698
Jimmy Carter had just signed
1471
01:19:07,742 --> 01:19:09,700
the main Indian
Claims Settlement Act
1472
01:19:09,744 --> 01:19:13,530
after a decade-long, highly
publicized legal battle.
1473
01:19:13,574 --> 01:19:17,273
And controversy over the
ownership of indigenous land,
1474
01:19:17,317 --> 01:19:19,580
artifacts and remains,
was a focal point
1475
01:19:19,623 --> 01:19:22,235
in 1970s indigenous activism.
1476
01:19:22,278 --> 01:19:25,499
- We don't wanna be
a Canadian citizen.
1477
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,069
We don't wanna be
American citizen.
1478
01:19:30,112 --> 01:19:32,114
We feel this way
because we think
1479
01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:34,290
that this reservation is ours,
1480
01:19:34,334 --> 01:19:37,728
and it does not belong
to the white man.
1481
01:19:37,772 --> 01:19:39,556
It's the only part
we still have left.
1482
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,821
- They got no right
here on our reservation.
1483
01:19:42,864 --> 01:19:44,910
- Both America and
Canada, you know,
1484
01:19:44,953 --> 01:19:47,738
are functionally
illegal nation states
1485
01:19:47,782 --> 01:19:50,654
that exist through broken
treaties between other nations
1486
01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:53,092
that predate them by millennia.
1487
01:19:53,135 --> 01:19:58,140
So, there's always gonna be
an anxiety in those places.
1488
01:19:59,925 --> 01:20:01,491
Whether they actually would
recognize it consciously,
1489
01:20:01,535 --> 01:20:03,580
they're are actually
deeply, deeply aware
1490
01:20:03,624 --> 01:20:06,061
of the violence and oppression
1491
01:20:06,105 --> 01:20:09,151
that was necessary
for them to exist.
1492
01:20:13,547 --> 01:20:16,985
You know, I think a lot
of American horror movies
1493
01:20:17,029 --> 01:20:21,250
are actually informed by the
colonial history of America
1494
01:20:21,294 --> 01:20:25,559
in that the thing that
colonial states fear the most
1495
01:20:27,126 --> 01:20:28,997
is to be colonized.
1496
01:20:29,041 --> 01:20:33,132
When we talk about that,
the fear that it generates
1497
01:20:33,175 --> 01:20:35,961
in non-indigenous
people boils down
1498
01:20:36,004 --> 01:20:38,528
to this sort of innate feeling
1499
01:20:38,572 --> 01:20:41,009
that someone is gonna come
and take your home from you.
1500
01:20:41,053 --> 01:20:44,099
And what do most Indian
burial ground movies involve?
1501
01:20:44,143 --> 01:20:45,622
Someone building their house
1502
01:20:45,666 --> 01:20:47,450
on top of an Indian
burial ground.
1503
01:20:47,494 --> 01:20:51,019
- You're living on some
sort of special ground,
1504
01:20:51,063 --> 01:20:53,761
devil worship, death, sacrifice.
1505
01:20:58,897 --> 01:21:01,508
George, there's one simple rule.
1506
01:21:03,553 --> 01:21:05,947
Energy cannot be
created or destroyed.
1507
01:21:05,991 --> 01:21:06,948
It can only change forms.
1508
01:21:06,992 --> 01:21:10,517
[soft tense music]
1509
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,042
- [Jesse] As more indigenous
people start to make movies,
1510
01:21:14,086 --> 01:21:18,873
I think then we'll start to
see a greater representation.
1511
01:21:20,744 --> 01:21:25,184
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
1512
01:21:46,466 --> 01:21:49,164
[soft ominous music]
1513
01:21:49,208 --> 01:21:50,600
- I'll tell you one other thing
1514
01:21:50,644 --> 01:21:52,428
about the Indian
burial ground, though,
1515
01:21:52,472 --> 01:21:56,693
that I sorta like it because
if non-indigenous people
1516
01:21:56,737 --> 01:21:59,000
are gonna be afraid of
the Indian burial ground,
1517
01:21:59,044 --> 01:22:01,437
then I got some news for ya.
1518
01:22:01,481 --> 01:22:04,875
It's all an Indian
burial ground.
1519
01:22:04,919 --> 01:22:07,661
[dramatic music]
1520
01:22:09,489 --> 01:22:11,534
- As the site of the white
settlers ancestral horror,
1521
01:22:11,578 --> 01:22:13,710
we return to New
England again and again
1522
01:22:13,754 --> 01:22:18,628
throughout the history of
American horror fiction.
1523
01:22:18,672 --> 01:22:20,543
Washington Irving's "The
Legend of Sleepy Hollow,"
1524
01:22:20,587 --> 01:22:22,371
I mean, there's film
adaptations of that
1525
01:22:22,415 --> 01:22:24,460
going back as far as 1922.
1526
01:22:24,504 --> 01:22:27,507
[suspenseful music]
1527
01:22:33,817 --> 01:22:36,429
[wind howling]
1528
01:22:39,301 --> 01:22:41,956
There's definitely a tradition
of folk horror in America,
1529
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,046
also in things that utilize
stories of shipwrecks
1530
01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:46,743
and mariners' ghosts.
1531
01:22:46,787 --> 01:22:48,571
[waves crashing]
[lightning cracks]
1532
01:22:48,615 --> 01:22:51,618
[suspenseful music]
1533
01:22:52,967 --> 01:22:55,230
- I would have to
include remarkable films
1534
01:22:55,274 --> 01:22:57,058
like "All That Money
Can Buy" as well,
1535
01:22:57,102 --> 01:23:00,148
which was made by RKO in 1941,
known under various titles,
1536
01:23:00,192 --> 01:23:03,412
"The Devil and Daniel Webster,"
or "Daniel and the Devil,"
1537
01:23:03,456 --> 01:23:07,025
in which an impecunious
rural farmer
1538
01:23:07,068 --> 01:23:10,115
is given the opportunity to
improve his station in life
1539
01:23:10,158 --> 01:23:12,769
by a character
called Mr. Scratch,
1540
01:23:12,813 --> 01:23:14,597
and it's not very
difficult to work out
1541
01:23:14,641 --> 01:23:16,599
who Mr. Scratch is.
1542
01:23:16,643 --> 01:23:19,167
[dramatic music]
1543
01:23:19,211 --> 01:23:20,386
- God! Suffer!
1544
01:23:22,388 --> 01:23:26,087
- I mean, like even Lovecraft
flirts with folk horror,
1545
01:23:26,131 --> 01:23:29,656
but with his own mythos,
it becomes like bogged down
1546
01:23:29,699 --> 01:23:33,355
in a lot of occulty
specificity that I think
1547
01:23:34,487 --> 01:23:36,315
makes it no longer folk horror.
1548
01:23:36,358 --> 01:23:41,233
- Obviously in Lovecraft, in a
way it was much more ascetic,
1549
01:23:43,061 --> 01:23:44,540
as a religious discourse,
if you want to call it that,
1550
01:23:44,584 --> 01:23:46,629
but ultimately the
old gods, you know,
1551
01:23:46,673 --> 01:23:49,806
there were old gods of
some other tradition.
1552
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:52,331
[eerie music]
1553
01:24:05,387 --> 01:24:08,521
- [Jesse] Lovecraft's genius
was his capacity to create
1554
01:24:08,564 --> 01:24:12,568
this internally consistent
self-sustaining world
1555
01:24:14,179 --> 01:24:18,705
in which the gaslit certainties
of the Victorian age
1556
01:24:20,141 --> 01:24:21,490
were being challenged
by the re-emergence
1557
01:24:21,534 --> 01:24:23,623
of these primordial gods.
1558
01:24:24,450 --> 01:24:25,929
[woman gasps]
1559
01:24:25,973 --> 01:24:28,802
[woman screaming]
1560
01:24:38,551 --> 01:24:41,423
- [Bernice] So, the writing of
H.P. Lovecraft in particular
1561
01:24:41,467 --> 01:24:43,860
often featured these
very fraught encounters
1562
01:24:43,904 --> 01:24:47,734
between unwary travelers
and degenerate country folk.
1563
01:24:47,777 --> 01:24:50,432
[ominous music]
1564
01:24:56,395 --> 01:24:58,223
In his tremendously creepy,
1565
01:24:58,266 --> 01:25:00,747
another story of his called
"The Picture of the House,"
1566
01:25:00,790 --> 01:25:03,706
then the reader even urges,
I think he used the phrase,
1567
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:07,623
"the true epicure
in the terrible to
esteem," as he puts it
1568
01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:11,279
"the ancient lonely
farmhouses of New England."
1569
01:25:11,323 --> 01:25:13,194
And this is a story
that concludes
1570
01:25:13,238 --> 01:25:16,110
with this incredibly tense and
sort of horrific revelation
1571
01:25:16,154 --> 01:25:19,592
of pagan ritual and
cannibalistic practices,
1572
01:25:19,635 --> 01:25:22,072
which have been, of
course this is Lovecraft,
1573
01:25:22,116 --> 01:25:26,164
imported overseas to a
New England rural setting.
1574
01:25:34,259 --> 01:25:35,782
- Alright, fellas.
1575
01:25:38,785 --> 01:25:40,569
- [Mariano] To me
the real sort of like
1576
01:25:40,613 --> 01:25:45,618
proto folk horror tale is
Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery."
1577
01:25:47,141 --> 01:25:48,229
- [Bernice] Acts of
communal togetherness
1578
01:25:48,273 --> 01:25:50,013
in Shirley Jackson's work
1579
01:25:50,057 --> 01:25:51,928
actually relatively often
involve mob violence
1580
01:25:51,972 --> 01:25:54,496
or the fear of mob violence.
1581
01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:56,411
- It's Tessie.
1582
01:25:56,455 --> 01:25:58,805
- I think it could be
argued that her close-knit,
1583
01:25:58,848 --> 01:26:01,111
rural communities
are never more united
1584
01:26:01,155 --> 01:26:04,593
than when they close
ranks against an outsider.
1585
01:26:04,637 --> 01:26:06,508
This is very much
the case, of course,
1586
01:26:06,552 --> 01:26:08,641
in her final novel, "We Have
Always Lived in the Castle,"
1587
01:26:08,684 --> 01:26:11,034
but you know, most famously
of all in "The Lottery,"
1588
01:26:11,078 --> 01:26:13,950
where the ultimately sort
of sacrificial victim,
1589
01:26:13,994 --> 01:26:16,518
Tessie Hutchinson, becomes
a symbolic outsider
1590
01:26:16,562 --> 01:26:19,521
through this random
act of selection.
1591
01:26:19,565 --> 01:26:21,610
But as critics such
as, for instance,
1592
01:26:21,654 --> 01:26:24,439
a guy called Fritz Oehlschlaeger
who was writing in 1988
1593
01:26:24,483 --> 01:26:27,616
have pointed out,
Tessie's fate is actually
1594
01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:30,706
potentially telegraphed
by her name.
1595
01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:35,494
In 1637, a woman named Anne
Hutchinson was forcibly expelled
1596
01:26:35,537 --> 01:26:39,628
from the Massachusetts colony
for her antinomian beliefs.
1597
01:26:39,672 --> 01:26:42,501
And so Hutchinson
is a name associated
1598
01:26:42,544 --> 01:26:44,459
with female rebellion
and punishment
1599
01:26:44,503 --> 01:26:47,462
within the wider context
of New England history.
1600
01:26:47,506 --> 01:26:50,160
So, whilst the ritual
carried out at the climax
1601
01:26:50,204 --> 01:26:52,206
of "The Lottery" might
seem to have little
1602
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:54,295
initial connection
to Christianity,
1603
01:26:54,339 --> 01:26:57,994
both the method of execution,
which is of course stoning,
1604
01:26:58,038 --> 01:27:00,736
and the name of the
scapegoat, Hutchinson,
1605
01:27:00,780 --> 01:27:03,217
suggests this link
between pagan ritual
1606
01:27:03,261 --> 01:27:07,003
and the Christian
appropriation of such rights.
1607
01:27:07,047 --> 01:27:08,570
- There's always been a lottery.
1608
01:27:08,614 --> 01:27:11,530
[mysterious music]
1609
01:27:18,101 --> 01:27:19,189
- Is this your land?
1610
01:27:19,233 --> 01:27:20,582
- Yeah.
1611
01:27:20,626 --> 01:27:22,018
- How come you
don't use machinery?
1612
01:27:22,062 --> 01:27:23,411
- Against the ways.
1613
01:27:23,455 --> 01:27:24,586
- Religious ways?
1614
01:27:24,630 --> 01:27:26,849
- Nah, just tradition.
1615
01:27:26,893 --> 01:27:30,679
- [Andy] There would be films
such as the television serial
1616
01:27:30,723 --> 01:27:34,770
of Thomas Tryon's "Harvest
Home," which was given the name
1617
01:27:34,814 --> 01:27:39,035
of "The Dark Secret of Harvest
Home," featuring Bette Davis.
1618
01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:40,863
♪ Glory
1619
01:27:40,907 --> 01:27:42,604
- [Bernice] Thomas Tryon's
novel "Harvest Home"
1620
01:27:42,648 --> 01:27:45,346
is set in an ancient
New English village,
1621
01:27:45,390 --> 01:27:47,435
as it's called in the
novel, whose residents,
1622
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,046
like Shirley Jackson's
timefolk in "The Lottery,"
1623
01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:53,528
have a very unusual way of
ensuring a good harvest.
1624
01:27:53,572 --> 01:27:58,228
- And so it will continue
forever, the eternal return.
1625
01:27:58,272 --> 01:28:00,622
[bells ringing]
[ominous music]
1626
01:28:00,666 --> 01:28:02,711
- [Bernice] I would argue
that Tryon's novel can be read
1627
01:28:02,755 --> 01:28:04,583
in part as a kind of reflection
1628
01:28:04,626 --> 01:28:08,369
of contemporary male anxiety
about the rise of feminism.
1629
01:28:08,413 --> 01:28:11,241
We're talkin' about the
early 1970s here, after all.
1630
01:28:11,285 --> 01:28:13,113
At the climax of the novel,
1631
01:28:13,156 --> 01:28:15,637
the family breadwinner ends
up thoroughly emasculated
1632
01:28:15,681 --> 01:28:17,726
both literally and thematically.
1633
01:28:17,770 --> 01:28:19,293
And of course the
women in his life,
1634
01:28:19,337 --> 01:28:21,426
his wife and his
daughter, both end up
1635
01:28:21,469 --> 01:28:25,081
very happily embracing
the old matriarchal ways.
1636
01:28:25,125 --> 01:28:27,823
[group chanting]
1637
01:28:27,867 --> 01:28:31,044
[dramatic rock music]
1638
01:28:32,828 --> 01:28:35,744
- The time when folk horror
was having its first wave
1639
01:28:35,788 --> 01:28:38,356
in the '70s, also coincided
with a time when a lot
1640
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:40,923
of alternative religions
were forming communities.
1641
01:28:40,967 --> 01:28:43,665
- [Religious Leader] If what
I have to say to you is true,
1642
01:28:43,709 --> 01:28:47,887
you see where being in
such a family benefits you.
1643
01:28:49,671 --> 01:28:51,586
- [Bernice] Utopianism is
embedded in the very fabric
1644
01:28:51,630 --> 01:28:54,023
of the American
dream, and these kinds
1645
01:28:54,067 --> 01:28:56,635
of commune experiments
flourished in the United States
1646
01:28:56,678 --> 01:28:58,027
as they did nowhere else.
1647
01:28:58,071 --> 01:29:00,987
[women crying out]
1648
01:29:13,565 --> 01:29:15,436
- "Midsommar" is
set in Scandinavia,
1649
01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:17,873
but it's an American film
and it's deeply informed
1650
01:29:17,917 --> 01:29:21,834
by the anxiety around
cults in America.
1651
01:29:21,877 --> 01:29:23,444
The conflict isn't
really between
1652
01:29:23,488 --> 01:29:25,620
like a new religion
and an old religion
1653
01:29:25,664 --> 01:29:28,144
as much as it's
about societal norms,
1654
01:29:28,188 --> 01:29:31,147
about intimacy and
support and grieving,
1655
01:29:31,191 --> 01:29:35,325
and the way that modern
society does not really
1656
01:29:35,369 --> 01:29:38,851
leave space and time for
people to grieve properly.
1657
01:29:38,894 --> 01:29:42,855
[singing in foreign language]
1658
01:29:42,898 --> 01:29:44,987
You have this older community
1659
01:29:45,031 --> 01:29:46,685
that is a more
nurturing community
1660
01:29:46,728 --> 01:29:49,339
and a more welcoming and
supportive community,
1661
01:29:49,383 --> 01:29:52,647
and I think that's still the
reason why people join cults,
1662
01:29:52,691 --> 01:29:55,476
you know, is because
the modern world
1663
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,347
does not really
leave enough space
1664
01:29:57,391 --> 01:30:00,089
for us to experience
a connection.
1665
01:30:00,133 --> 01:30:03,963
[singing in foreign language]
1666
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:10,883
- And I dedicated
my life to God.
1667
01:30:10,926 --> 01:30:12,667
Praise the Lord. Hallelujah.
1668
01:30:12,711 --> 01:30:15,104
Only because she believed!
1669
01:30:15,148 --> 01:30:17,672
- The interesting thing
about cults in North America
1670
01:30:17,716 --> 01:30:20,588
is that most of them are
actually different iterations
1671
01:30:20,632 --> 01:30:23,591
of Christianity, so it's not
like with British folk horror
1672
01:30:23,635 --> 01:30:25,767
where you have
Christian religions,
1673
01:30:25,811 --> 01:30:28,509
which are considered the more
contemporary modern religions,
1674
01:30:28,553 --> 01:30:31,077
and the older pagan religions.
1675
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,122
In a lot of the American
folk horror films,
1676
01:30:33,166 --> 01:30:35,560
it's actually weird Christians.
1677
01:30:35,603 --> 01:30:38,519
[gentle folk rock music]
1678
01:30:38,563 --> 01:30:42,044
♪ It's been written in
the Book of Revelation ♪
1679
01:30:42,088 --> 01:30:45,874
♪ You can hear it if
you open your ears ♪
1680
01:30:45,918 --> 01:30:47,528
♪ He's gonna tell you all
1681
01:30:47,572 --> 01:30:49,530
♪ Just what you are
1682
01:30:49,574 --> 01:30:53,403
♪ Gonna get you in
your hidden fears ♪
1683
01:30:53,447 --> 01:30:57,059
♪ Oh the cycles of
the end are showin' ♪
1684
01:30:57,103 --> 01:31:00,889
♪ As was written years ago
1685
01:31:00,933 --> 01:31:04,414
♪ And you know your lives
are gettin' harder ♪
1686
01:31:04,458 --> 01:31:08,506
♪ Without Christ you
don't know where to go ♪
1687
01:31:08,549 --> 01:31:11,204
[ominous music]
1688
01:31:13,032 --> 01:31:14,599
- So this archaic way of life,
1689
01:31:14,642 --> 01:31:16,731
this devotion to the old ways,
1690
01:31:16,775 --> 01:31:19,734
I think evokes very strongly
parallels with religious sects
1691
01:31:19,778 --> 01:31:22,258
such as the Amish
and the Mennonites.
1692
01:31:22,302 --> 01:31:24,609
I think there's definitely
a sort of a conflation
1693
01:31:24,652 --> 01:31:27,263
and a correlation happening
here between fears
1694
01:31:27,307 --> 01:31:30,092
of dangerous sort
of rogue cults,
1695
01:31:30,136 --> 01:31:32,094
an uncertainty about isolated
1696
01:31:32,138 --> 01:31:35,576
but obviously pacifist
communities like the Amish.
1697
01:31:35,620 --> 01:31:37,665
I think there's a real anxiety
here about what happens
1698
01:31:37,709 --> 01:31:39,928
when those kinds of people
being kind of rural,
1699
01:31:39,972 --> 01:31:43,149
religious fundamentalists are
left to their own devices,
1700
01:31:43,192 --> 01:31:46,021
a suspicion about, you know,
what will they get up to
1701
01:31:46,065 --> 01:31:50,156
when they're left on their own
with no external oversight?
1702
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:53,115
- It inevitably made its
way into these films.
1703
01:31:53,159 --> 01:31:54,987
You know, especially
when you've got
1704
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:57,467
a lot of these communities
moving into rural areas,
1705
01:31:57,511 --> 01:32:01,471
it becomes very tied in
with the tropes and imagery
1706
01:32:01,515 --> 01:32:03,952
that we associate
with folk horror.
1707
01:32:03,996 --> 01:32:07,826
- Behold, a dream did
come to me in the night,
1708
01:32:09,741 --> 01:32:12,613
and the Lord did
show all this to me.
1709
01:32:12,657 --> 01:32:15,790
- [Group] Praise
God! Praise the Lord!
1710
01:32:15,834 --> 01:32:17,313
- [Kevin] Also, in
"Children of the Corn,"
1711
01:32:17,357 --> 01:32:19,185
the fact that they are
a Christian religion
1712
01:32:19,228 --> 01:32:22,623
with Isaac altering the
Bible based on dreams he had
1713
01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:24,407
is very reminiscent
of Mormonism,
1714
01:32:24,451 --> 01:32:26,627
the way that they are
Christians with Joseph Smith
1715
01:32:26,671 --> 01:32:29,151
publishing the Book of
Mormon as a companion piece
1716
01:32:29,195 --> 01:32:32,851
to the Bible, claiming that
he was shown the location
1717
01:32:32,894 --> 01:32:35,984
of ancient writings
on golden plates
1718
01:32:36,028 --> 01:32:39,509
during a visit from an
angel of God named Moroni.
1719
01:32:39,553 --> 01:32:40,989
- [Dennis] I think
people are also
1720
01:32:41,033 --> 01:32:42,556
frightened by fundamentalism.
1721
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,166
- [Kevin] If you look
at Isaac and Malachi.
1722
01:32:44,210 --> 01:32:45,341
and you look at the
way they're dressed
1723
01:32:45,385 --> 01:32:46,516
and you look in the town,
1724
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,388
they don't allow games anymore
1725
01:32:48,431 --> 01:32:50,042
and they don't have
any televisions anymore
1726
01:32:50,085 --> 01:32:51,870
and they don't have
any telephones anymore.
1727
01:32:51,913 --> 01:32:54,046
It's all about the crop
and they don't have
1728
01:32:54,089 --> 01:32:55,656
any of these modern
conveniences.
1729
01:32:55,700 --> 01:32:57,527
[ominous music]
1730
01:32:57,571 --> 01:33:00,400
- It does reflect a lot of
the anxieties that people have
1731
01:33:00,443 --> 01:33:03,533
about what people do
sacrifice when they go
1732
01:33:03,577 --> 01:33:05,448
into these communities.
1733
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,104
- You know, that's
really going on.
1734
01:33:09,148 --> 01:33:11,019
I mean, it's like, it
starts with the poisoning
1735
01:33:11,063 --> 01:33:12,586
of the coffee pot.
1736
01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:14,544
Before they started
shooting that, like,
1737
01:33:14,588 --> 01:33:17,722
people were dying because
of poison Kool-Aid.
1738
01:33:17,765 --> 01:33:20,246
- These references to
Jonestown in Stephen King's
1739
01:33:20,289 --> 01:33:22,683
"Children of the Corn"
are, I think, directly tied
1740
01:33:22,727 --> 01:33:24,859
to this foundational
horror of the colony
1741
01:33:24,903 --> 01:33:28,210
that sort of splits
off and self-destructs.
1742
01:33:28,254 --> 01:33:31,561
So, religious migration to
escape perceived persecution
1743
01:33:31,605 --> 01:33:32,737
was really nothing new at all,
1744
01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:34,260
even when the Puritans did it,
1745
01:33:34,303 --> 01:33:36,088
and it is a journey that I think
1746
01:33:36,131 --> 01:33:39,918
in many respects Jonestown
replicated as well.
1747
01:33:41,659 --> 01:33:44,052
The Peoples Temple French
Guiana was actually
1748
01:33:44,096 --> 01:33:47,099
one of the sites
that the Puritans had
initially considered
1749
01:33:47,142 --> 01:33:49,884
going to before they
decided upon New England
1750
01:33:49,928 --> 01:33:51,581
as their destination.
1751
01:33:51,625 --> 01:33:53,148
So, there's actually
a really fascinating
1752
01:33:53,192 --> 01:33:55,455
coincidental overlap
between the Puritans
1753
01:33:55,498 --> 01:33:58,806
and the Peoples Temple
in this respect.
1754
01:33:58,850 --> 01:34:01,766
[insects chirping]
1755
01:34:09,774 --> 01:34:12,777
[women cooing]
1756
01:34:12,820 --> 01:34:16,824
- American prairie horror.
You don't see it a lot.
1757
01:34:16,868 --> 01:34:20,741
When we're in a horror movie,
it's usually that the walls
1758
01:34:20,785 --> 01:34:23,613
are coming in on us and
that we're in this space
1759
01:34:23,657 --> 01:34:26,747
and we are so closed in
and it's claustrophobic,
1760
01:34:26,791 --> 01:34:28,575
but with the prairie,
1761
01:34:29,968 --> 01:34:33,188
you can strangely
have the same feeling
1762
01:34:34,537 --> 01:34:36,670
of this claustrophobia
in this place
1763
01:34:36,714 --> 01:34:38,280
where you can see everything.
1764
01:34:38,324 --> 01:34:43,329
[wind howling]
[eerie music]
1765
01:34:49,988 --> 01:34:52,120
[ominous music]
1766
01:34:52,164 --> 01:34:54,862
- [Kier-La] In 1973, Michael
Lesy published the book
1767
01:34:54,906 --> 01:34:57,735
"Wisconsin Death Trip"
fashioned entirely
1768
01:34:57,778 --> 01:35:00,650
out of 19th century photographs
and newspaper reports
1769
01:35:00,694 --> 01:35:03,175
from the isolated
community surrounding
1770
01:35:03,218 --> 01:35:06,134
a place called Black
River Falls, Wisconsin.
1771
01:35:06,178 --> 01:35:08,789
And collectively they
tell a story of crime,
1772
01:35:08,833 --> 01:35:11,879
death, and insanity that
fuels this narrative
1773
01:35:11,923 --> 01:35:14,664
that isolation breeds sickness.
1774
01:35:14,708 --> 01:35:17,276
[somber music]
1775
01:35:21,454 --> 01:35:24,109
[ominous music]
1776
01:35:26,459 --> 01:35:28,853
- I lived in Ottawa, Kansas.
1777
01:35:28,896 --> 01:35:32,595
We joined a community
supported agriculture garden.
1778
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:36,686
I was out there one day
with just a bunch of women
1779
01:35:36,730 --> 01:35:39,515
who were working in the garden
and they kept talking to me
1780
01:35:39,559 --> 01:35:42,997
and asking me questions,
and we're in Kansas,
1781
01:35:43,041 --> 01:35:46,696
it's very flat, and the wind
is just insane that day,
1782
01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:48,611
and I couldn't hear anything.
1783
01:35:48,655 --> 01:35:50,613
One of the women like links
arms with me and she's like,
1784
01:35:50,657 --> 01:35:52,833
"You know it used to
drive women crazy."
1785
01:35:52,877 --> 01:35:55,705
[women howling]
1786
01:35:55,749 --> 01:35:57,229
And I asked her, "What did?"
1787
01:35:57,272 --> 01:35:58,708
And she said, "The wind,
1788
01:35:58,752 --> 01:36:00,623
it used to drive
women crazy out here."
1789
01:36:00,667 --> 01:36:02,930
[Lizzy chattering]
- Hey, Lizzy. English!
1790
01:36:02,974 --> 01:36:05,280
- One of the things that
Teresa was referencing
1791
01:36:05,324 --> 01:36:08,718
when she wrote the script is
a book called "Pioneer Women,"
1792
01:36:08,762 --> 01:36:12,374
and a lot of those women were
coming from other countries.
1793
01:36:12,418 --> 01:36:15,029
A lot of people settling at
that time were immigrants,
1794
01:36:15,073 --> 01:36:17,815
in this case from Germany.
1795
01:36:17,858 --> 01:36:19,773
There would have been a
whole other like batch
1796
01:36:19,817 --> 01:36:22,863
of both spirituality
and religious beliefs
1797
01:36:22,907 --> 01:36:25,257
that she was coming
with in prayers as well
1798
01:36:25,300 --> 01:36:27,912
as maybe some folklore as well.
1799
01:36:29,652 --> 01:36:32,133
- [Woman] This land there's
something wrong with it.
1800
01:36:32,177 --> 01:36:32,960
[wind howls]
[door bangs]
1801
01:36:33,004 --> 01:36:35,702
[woman screams]
1802
01:36:42,970 --> 01:36:46,756
♪ There's blood in the kitchen
1803
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,805
♪ And there's
blood in the hall ♪
1804
01:36:53,546 --> 01:36:57,071
♪ And there's blood
in the parlor ♪
1805
01:36:57,115 --> 01:37:02,120
♪ Where the lady did fall
1806
01:37:03,991 --> 01:37:08,126
♪ And lambkin is a-hangin'
on the high gallows tree ♪
1807
01:37:13,174 --> 01:37:18,179
♪ And the nurse is a-burnin'
in the fire close by ♪
1808
01:37:23,228 --> 01:37:28,233
♪ Oh the death bell is
a-knelling for lady and baby ♪
1809
01:37:33,151 --> 01:37:38,156
♪ And the green grass is
a-growin' all over they ♪
1810
01:37:42,508 --> 01:37:45,163
[ominous music]
1811
01:37:47,165 --> 01:37:49,515
- [Bernice] Many of the
settlers who came to Appalachia
1812
01:37:49,558 --> 01:37:53,649
and associated frontier regions
during this fourth big wave
1813
01:37:53,693 --> 01:37:56,174
of British migration
came from areas
1814
01:37:56,217 --> 01:37:59,220
like the Scottish borders,
or they were descendants
1815
01:37:59,264 --> 01:38:03,137
of Scottish Presbyterian
planters whose family
1816
01:38:03,181 --> 01:38:05,357
had originally several
generations back settled
1817
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,143
in the east or the
north of Ireland.
1818
01:38:09,187 --> 01:38:11,711
They tended to be
independently minded.
1819
01:38:11,754 --> 01:38:13,234
They tended to be
very resilient.
1820
01:38:13,278 --> 01:38:15,062
They tended to be
very adaptable.
1821
01:38:15,106 --> 01:38:18,761
- These people were wanting
to pull themselves away
1822
01:38:18,805 --> 01:38:21,416
from the mainstream
of what had become
1823
01:38:21,460 --> 01:38:23,679
of their culture at the time.
1824
01:38:23,723 --> 01:38:26,944
- Low income is not what
we are. We're poor people.
1825
01:38:26,987 --> 01:38:30,860
I think low income is
people that maybe has a way
1826
01:38:30,904 --> 01:38:34,081
of just gettin' by, but
poor people is the ones
1827
01:38:34,125 --> 01:38:39,043
that don't know where the
next dollar's comin' from.
1828
01:38:39,086 --> 01:38:41,219
- Some of the ways in which
these Appalachian communities
1829
01:38:41,262 --> 01:38:43,438
differed from the
dominant settler culture
1830
01:38:43,482 --> 01:38:48,226
was because they were an
essentially classless society.
1831
01:38:48,269 --> 01:38:50,576
They had a lack of
respect or interest
1832
01:38:50,619 --> 01:38:53,187
in centralized authority,
and they tended to live
1833
01:38:53,231 --> 01:38:55,711
in insular close-knit
family groups
1834
01:38:55,755 --> 01:38:58,366
rather than in these
larger settlements.
1835
01:38:58,410 --> 01:39:01,239
There sort of arose this
perception that they clung
1836
01:39:01,282 --> 01:39:03,937
to what you might
call the old ways,
1837
01:39:03,981 --> 01:39:06,070
that they were
intensely superstitious,
1838
01:39:06,113 --> 01:39:08,376
that they preferred the
sort out blood feuds
1839
01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:11,771
between themselves without
recourse to the law.
1840
01:39:11,814 --> 01:39:13,729
And this is of
course a perception
1841
01:39:13,773 --> 01:39:16,819
that really lingers to this day.
1842
01:39:16,863 --> 01:39:20,301
♪ While the women plows
and makes the corn ♪
1843
01:39:20,345 --> 01:39:23,261
♪ And the man shoots
turkey and deer ♪
1844
01:39:23,304 --> 01:39:25,785
- Look upon the face of Death,
1845
01:39:27,178 --> 01:39:29,441
never feel your baby's breath.
1846
01:39:29,484 --> 01:39:30,920
- Cassie, stop it.
1847
01:39:30,964 --> 01:39:33,401
- Look upon the face of Death,
1848
01:39:33,445 --> 01:39:36,013
never feel your baby's breath.
1849
01:39:36,056 --> 01:39:38,319
- [Kier-La] Earl Hammer, Jr.
who created "The Waltons"
1850
01:39:38,363 --> 01:39:41,018
was a great proponent of
putting Appalachian culture
1851
01:39:41,061 --> 01:39:43,672
and folklore on screen,
and in addition to a couple
1852
01:39:43,716 --> 01:39:45,500
of "Waltons" episodes
that get into the realm
1853
01:39:45,544 --> 01:39:47,676
of folk horror, he
also wrote a beloved
1854
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,939
"Twilight Zone" episode
called "Jess-Belle"
1855
01:39:49,983 --> 01:39:52,246
about a woman who makes a
deal with the local witch
1856
01:39:52,290 --> 01:39:55,075
to ensnare the man
who rejected her.
1857
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:56,598
[mysterious music]
1858
01:39:56,642 --> 01:40:00,602
- My mama says that when
you see a fallin' star
1859
01:40:00,646 --> 01:40:03,605
it means a witch has just died.
1860
01:40:03,649 --> 01:40:05,955
[eerie music]
1861
01:40:05,999 --> 01:40:09,002
- There's a really
great use of those kinds
1862
01:40:09,046 --> 01:40:11,613
of rural folk legends
that you get in Appalachia
1863
01:40:11,657 --> 01:40:14,442
and more distant
parts of America.
1864
01:40:14,486 --> 01:40:16,314
There's a writer called
Manly Wade Welllman
1865
01:40:16,357 --> 01:40:19,143
who wrote a whole series
of stories and books
1866
01:40:19,186 --> 01:40:21,275
about this guy
called Silver John,
1867
01:40:21,319 --> 01:40:24,104
and he had a guitar with
strings made of silver.
1868
01:40:24,148 --> 01:40:25,888
There was a guy wanderin'
around the countryside
1869
01:40:25,932 --> 01:40:27,716
getting involved in various
adventures that always
1870
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,284
seemed to involve local
folk legends and things.
1871
01:40:30,328 --> 01:40:32,982
[bird squawking]
1872
01:40:33,026 --> 01:40:38,031
[mysterious music]
[bird squawking]
1873
01:40:41,208 --> 01:40:44,168
[suspenseful music]
1874
01:40:45,952 --> 01:40:47,823
- [Jonathan] The American
film "The Fool Killer"
1875
01:40:47,867 --> 01:40:52,089
was referred to in 1965 as an
"offbeat folk-horror film."
1876
01:40:53,525 --> 01:40:55,309
- Almost think you
believe that story.
1877
01:40:55,353 --> 01:40:56,528
- Ain't you never felt like
there was some sort of somethin'
1878
01:40:56,571 --> 01:40:58,486
like the Fool Killer?
1879
01:40:58,530 --> 01:40:59,922
Ain't you never done
things you knowed
1880
01:40:59,966 --> 01:41:01,489
was just plain
foolish and felt like
1881
01:41:01,533 --> 01:41:03,491
you was gonna have
to pay the price?
1882
01:41:03,535 --> 01:41:05,841
- [Kier-La] "The Fool Killer"
movie was directly based
1883
01:41:05,885 --> 01:41:09,367
on a novel by Helen Eustis,
but its central character,
1884
01:41:09,410 --> 01:41:13,501
a roving philosophical murderer
who rids the world of fools,
1885
01:41:13,545 --> 01:41:16,330
he had become a fixture
of Appalachian and
Southern folklore
1886
01:41:16,374 --> 01:41:19,594
in the late 19th century,
and his enduring appeal
1887
01:41:19,638 --> 01:41:24,077
possibly due to the fact that
he's an outcast from society
1888
01:41:24,121 --> 01:41:25,948
and considered a fool himself,
1889
01:41:25,992 --> 01:41:28,560
but he turns the tables
on the dominant culture
1890
01:41:28,603 --> 01:41:32,085
that rejects him and so he
becomes kind of an antihero.
1891
01:41:32,129 --> 01:41:34,174
- I'm a man who's
got no history.
1892
01:41:34,218 --> 01:41:36,524
I like to eat when I'm hungry,
1893
01:41:36,568 --> 01:41:39,875
talk to folks when I want
to and not when I don't.
1894
01:41:39,919 --> 01:41:41,399
And see the world.
1895
01:41:42,791 --> 01:41:44,271
Strange cities
and strange houses
1896
01:41:44,315 --> 01:41:45,881
is the place of my
enemies, George.
1897
01:41:45,925 --> 01:41:47,927
[soft ominous music]
1898
01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:50,190
- [Kier-La] Folk horror
expresses an ambivalence
1899
01:41:50,234 --> 01:41:52,975
about progress, and so
often in these films,
1900
01:41:53,019 --> 01:41:54,455
through the production design,
1901
01:41:54,499 --> 01:41:56,892
the old dialects and
stuff, you get the idea
1902
01:41:56,936 --> 01:41:59,808
that this culture is just
holding on for dear life.
1903
01:41:59,852 --> 01:42:00,679
- No.
1904
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,596
- I know who the
next jug face is.
1905
01:42:07,947 --> 01:42:09,601
And it's me.
1906
01:42:09,644 --> 01:42:11,472
[woman cries out]
1907
01:42:11,516 --> 01:42:13,257
- [Kier-La] And so, so
many of these stories
1908
01:42:13,300 --> 01:42:17,391
are about sacrifice and
protagonists who are resistant
1909
01:42:17,435 --> 01:42:21,395
to the sacrifice necessary
to keep the culture alive.
1910
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,137
[ominous music]
1911
01:42:25,834 --> 01:42:27,923
- I think of things like
"Pumpkinhead" where, you know,
1912
01:42:27,967 --> 01:42:30,012
it's very specific
to that region.
1913
01:42:30,056 --> 01:42:31,927
So I think that also
plays a big part in it,
1914
01:42:31,971 --> 01:42:33,451
is kind of where it's set
and the method of the people
1915
01:42:33,494 --> 01:42:36,323
that live in that community.
1916
01:42:36,367 --> 01:42:37,498
- What killed him?
1917
01:42:37,542 --> 01:42:39,631
- City folks. Run him over.
1918
01:42:39,674 --> 01:42:41,807
Lookin' for an old woman.
1919
01:42:43,504 --> 01:42:44,984
She lives somewhere in
the mountains here abouts.
1920
01:42:45,027 --> 01:42:48,335
[suspenseful music]
1921
01:42:48,379 --> 01:42:50,598
- "Deliverance"
probably brought that in
1922
01:42:50,642 --> 01:42:53,253
actually the sort of
idea of the stereotype
1923
01:42:53,297 --> 01:42:55,124
of the hillbilly.
1924
01:42:55,168 --> 01:42:57,126
And so, we started to see
this sort of different idea
1925
01:42:57,170 --> 01:42:59,825
of what the South was like.
1926
01:42:59,868 --> 01:43:02,262
- [Bernice] So the early
1970s was very much a period,
1927
01:43:02,306 --> 01:43:04,612
particularly on the
American cinema screen,
1928
01:43:04,656 --> 01:43:07,615
where you had these kinds
of backwoods anxieties
1929
01:43:07,659 --> 01:43:10,183
manifesting themself
very openly on screen,
1930
01:43:10,227 --> 01:43:11,967
but really these
films were tapping in
1931
01:43:12,011 --> 01:43:16,015
to very long established
stereotypes about degeneracy,
1932
01:43:16,058 --> 01:43:18,800
particularly amongst
Southern hill folk.
1933
01:43:18,844 --> 01:43:21,368
Between 1880 and around 1820,
1934
01:43:21,412 --> 01:43:24,328
the so-called Eugenics
Record Office, the ERO,
1935
01:43:24,371 --> 01:43:27,374
produced a series of
eugenic family studies.
1936
01:43:27,418 --> 01:43:29,507
And what they wanted to
do here was demonstrate
1937
01:43:29,550 --> 01:43:32,553
that large numbers of
particularly poverty-stricken
1938
01:43:32,597 --> 01:43:36,340
rural whites were so-called
genetic defectives.
1939
01:43:36,383 --> 01:43:37,993
And according to this logic,
1940
01:43:38,037 --> 01:43:39,995
the stagnation, the decrepitude,
1941
01:43:40,039 --> 01:43:41,823
the poverty of
their surroundings
1942
01:43:41,867 --> 01:43:44,870
and the proximity of the
wilderness had bred in them
1943
01:43:44,913 --> 01:43:47,351
this kind of
dangerous primitivism
1944
01:43:47,394 --> 01:43:50,310
which could erupt into
violence at any time.
1945
01:43:50,354 --> 01:43:52,007
[man squealing]
1946
01:43:52,051 --> 01:43:55,750
- All the salt marshes
around here are rotten
1947
01:43:55,794 --> 01:43:59,754
and it gets worse the
further down you go.
1948
01:43:59,798 --> 01:44:04,368
- The film is basically set
in sort of a backwater town
1949
01:44:06,065 --> 01:44:09,198
that's almost
impossible to get to
1950
01:44:09,242 --> 01:44:11,288
except by this old rickety bus.
1951
01:44:11,331 --> 01:44:14,378
- Those people, oh
God, those people.
1952
01:44:15,553 --> 01:44:17,598
Nobody like those people.
1953
01:44:17,642 --> 01:44:19,557
It's the way they look.
1954
01:44:20,645 --> 01:44:22,995
They call it the Astaroth look.
1955
01:44:24,431 --> 01:44:26,259
- H.P. Lovecraft
of course was huge
1956
01:44:26,303 --> 01:44:29,871
and "Shadow Over Innsmouth"
was a big, big influence
1957
01:44:29,915 --> 01:44:33,310
not only because of
the remote small town
1958
01:44:34,746 --> 01:44:36,530
that it takes place in,
1959
01:44:36,574 --> 01:44:40,229
but the whole idea of people
going under a transformation.
1960
01:44:40,273 --> 01:44:42,928
[ominous music]
1961
01:44:44,408 --> 01:44:46,932
- Just the idea of these
poor backwoods people
1962
01:44:46,975 --> 01:44:50,457
cut off from the rest of the
world is I think an example
1963
01:44:50,501 --> 01:44:54,722
of kind of what happened
after the Civil War
1964
01:44:54,766 --> 01:44:58,378
with, you know, just how it
was devastated financially.
1965
01:44:58,422 --> 01:45:01,729
♪ There's a story you should
know from a hundred years ago ♪
1966
01:45:01,773 --> 01:45:04,950
♪ And a hundred years
we've waited now to tell ♪
1967
01:45:04,993 --> 01:45:08,083
♪ Now the Yankees come along and
they'll listen to this song ♪
1968
01:45:08,127 --> 01:45:11,304
♪ And they'll quake in fear
to hear this rebel yell ♪
1969
01:45:11,348 --> 01:45:14,916
♪ And they'll quake in fear
to hear this rebel yell ♪
1970
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,832
♪ Yeehaw
1971
01:45:17,876 --> 01:45:20,792
♪ Oh, the South's
gonna rise again ♪
1972
01:45:20,835 --> 01:45:22,837
You can't really
talk about the South
1973
01:45:22,881 --> 01:45:25,449
without having a little
bit of a trickle in
1974
01:45:25,492 --> 01:45:28,190
of the effects of the Civil War.
1975
01:45:30,367 --> 01:45:31,933
- [Bernice] This
perception that the South
1976
01:45:31,977 --> 01:45:35,154
had been left behind was
exacerbated by the fact
1977
01:45:35,197 --> 01:45:39,593
that it actually had a very
considerable basis in reality.
1978
01:45:39,637 --> 01:45:41,769
The poverty of the rural South,
1979
01:45:41,813 --> 01:45:44,772
it wasn't just some kind
of theoretical abstraction.
1980
01:45:44,816 --> 01:45:47,427
It was something that affected
the lives of ordinary people
1981
01:45:47,471 --> 01:45:50,648
in a myriad of ways, every
single day of their lives.
1982
01:45:50,691 --> 01:45:53,694
[bucket clattering]
1983
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,306
- Even things like, I think,
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
1984
01:45:57,350 --> 01:46:01,006
can certainly be placed within
the realms of folk horror.
1985
01:46:01,049 --> 01:46:02,529
- You like this face?
1986
01:46:02,573 --> 01:46:05,140
[woman screams]
1987
01:46:05,184 --> 01:46:07,882
- You get this idea that
people are on the land
1988
01:46:07,926 --> 01:46:12,452
for so long that something
happens to the family unit
1989
01:46:12,496 --> 01:46:16,674
where there's this idea
of corruption and cruelty,
1990
01:46:16,717 --> 01:46:18,893
where there's this
sense that family
1991
01:46:18,937 --> 01:46:22,462
is not a place of
love and warmth,
1992
01:46:22,506 --> 01:46:26,553
but a place where a lot of
dark secrets are concealed
1993
01:46:26,597 --> 01:46:30,992
and people's violent natures
are given free reign.
1994
01:46:31,036 --> 01:46:33,430
[door slams]
1995
01:46:34,909 --> 01:46:37,477
- [Booker T] I was
born and raised here
1996
01:46:37,521 --> 01:46:39,653
and my daddy before me.
1997
01:46:39,697 --> 01:46:44,702
I seen things in these woods
no man's supposed to see.
1998
01:46:46,138 --> 01:46:48,401
And I know things no
man's supposed to know.
1999
01:46:49,881 --> 01:46:52,927
These woods can be
a strange place.
2000
01:46:52,971 --> 01:46:55,539
[gentle music]
2001
01:46:57,062 --> 01:46:59,281
- In many ways,
folk horror arises
2002
01:46:59,325 --> 01:47:02,371
out of the gothic itself and
particularly Southern Gothic.
2003
01:47:02,415 --> 01:47:07,202
Southern Gothic rose out of
Reconstruction anxieties,
2004
01:47:07,246 --> 01:47:10,858
the sense that the South,
despite being devastated,
2005
01:47:10,902 --> 01:47:13,034
has supposedly been
caught up to the rest
2006
01:47:13,078 --> 01:47:16,690
of the nation's industry
through government legislation,
2007
01:47:16,734 --> 01:47:20,433
and that it's been caught up
to the nation's racial ideas,
2008
01:47:20,477 --> 01:47:23,784
again through
government legislation.
2009
01:47:23,828 --> 01:47:27,135
What we see in the Southern
Gothic as an anxiety
2010
01:47:27,179 --> 01:47:31,575
that perhaps this progress
isn't progress at all.
2011
01:47:31,618 --> 01:47:35,535
Perhaps it's as horrible
as the old ways.
2012
01:47:35,579 --> 01:47:38,103
Equally problematic when
we think about writers
2013
01:47:38,146 --> 01:47:41,715
such as Flannery O'Connor
and William Faulkner.
2014
01:47:41,759 --> 01:47:43,935
Perhaps all of it is pretension.
2015
01:47:43,978 --> 01:47:47,155
Perhaps the old genteel
ways were horrible,
2016
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,462
not just to people of color,
2017
01:47:49,506 --> 01:47:52,900
but to whites of
lower class standing.
2018
01:47:52,944 --> 01:47:57,949
Perhaps that gentile nature
merely meant hiding the horror,
2019
01:47:59,777 --> 01:48:03,650
ignoring it and masking it as
something beautiful and kind.
2020
01:48:04,956 --> 01:48:06,827
But maybe modernization
and industry
2021
01:48:06,871 --> 01:48:10,309
is equally horrible
and alienating.
2022
01:48:10,352 --> 01:48:13,094
Maybe there's no
winner on either side
2023
01:48:13,138 --> 01:48:16,489
and we're ultimately
all monsters still.
2024
01:48:28,893 --> 01:48:31,504
[record crackling]
2025
01:48:31,548 --> 01:48:33,462
- [Man] It is time, Lord.
2026
01:48:33,506 --> 01:48:36,553
From the dry dust
out of these chains
2027
01:48:37,684 --> 01:48:39,512
from the Devil's house.
2028
01:48:39,556 --> 01:48:44,561
[eerie voice chattering]
[mysterious music]
2029
01:48:58,444 --> 01:49:01,316
When the Devil's house
takes me, out of-
2030
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,710
[record scratches]
2031
01:49:03,754 --> 01:49:04,581
- Hey.
2032
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:07,801
Just a local band.
2033
01:49:07,845 --> 01:49:09,586
[upbeat music]
2034
01:49:09,629 --> 01:49:11,718
- [Jesse] If you have
stories that are taking place
2035
01:49:11,762 --> 01:49:14,808
down South, very often the
regional specific elements
2036
01:49:14,852 --> 01:49:17,376
are either Voodoo or Hoodoo.
2037
01:49:17,419 --> 01:49:20,640
And one of the problems that
filmmakers have experienced
2038
01:49:20,684 --> 01:49:23,077
over the years is being
unable to distinguish
2039
01:49:23,121 --> 01:49:26,820
between Voodoo and Hoodoo,
and they are very different.
2040
01:49:26,864 --> 01:49:28,735
- Voodoo's a religion.
2041
01:49:28,779 --> 01:49:30,998
Slaves brought it to
Haiti from Africa.
2042
01:49:31,042 --> 01:49:33,087
They worship God, Heaven, Hell.
2043
01:49:33,131 --> 01:49:34,567
- How's Hoodoo different?
2044
01:49:34,611 --> 01:49:36,351
- It's magic,
American folk magic.
2045
01:49:36,395 --> 01:49:37,570
God doesn't have
much to do with it.
2046
01:49:37,614 --> 01:49:40,355
[soft tense music]
2047
01:49:40,399 --> 01:49:41,661
- When you talk about Hoodo,
2048
01:49:41,705 --> 01:49:43,532
what you're essentially
talking about
2049
01:49:43,576 --> 01:49:46,710
is a magical folk practice
that is often divorced
2050
01:49:46,753 --> 01:49:50,452
from religion, and as
such, is also divorced
2051
01:49:50,496 --> 01:49:53,020
from the moral and ethical codes
2052
01:49:53,064 --> 01:49:55,414
that go along with religion.
2053
01:49:56,894 --> 01:50:00,288
- Some things are
better left unsaid.
2054
01:50:00,332 --> 01:50:03,291
- I paid you a
dollar, old woman.
2055
01:50:03,335 --> 01:50:04,989
Now tell my fortune.
2056
01:50:06,251 --> 01:50:09,297
[soft ominous music]
2057
01:50:18,437 --> 01:50:19,917
- [John] As Michelet said,
2058
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:23,094
Jules Michilet wrote
the book on sorcery,
2059
01:50:23,137 --> 01:50:25,574
witchcraft and sorcery
is always the religion
2060
01:50:25,618 --> 01:50:27,489
of an oppressed people.
2061
01:50:29,448 --> 01:50:32,494
- Also, when we talk
about Voodoo's role
2062
01:50:32,538 --> 01:50:34,888
in thinking about folk horror,
2063
01:50:34,932 --> 01:50:37,064
we're also talking about
the haunting, again,
2064
01:50:37,108 --> 01:50:40,459
of slave history and more
particularly slave rebellion.
2065
01:50:40,502 --> 01:50:43,462
[soft tense music]
2066
01:50:44,855 --> 01:50:48,597
This rebellion starts
off deep in the forests
2067
01:50:48,641 --> 01:50:53,646
of Haiti's mountains in a remote
location called Bois Caiman
2068
01:50:55,039 --> 01:50:57,955
and it's led by a Maroon
leader named Boukman.
2069
01:51:00,044 --> 01:51:03,134
We trace the power
of this rebellion,
2070
01:51:04,788 --> 01:51:07,094
its success and essentially
the rise of Haiti
2071
01:51:07,138 --> 01:51:09,923
back to a Voodoo ceremony.
2072
01:51:09,967 --> 01:51:13,318
And what you see in
much of the 19th century
2073
01:51:13,361 --> 01:51:17,278
is an anxiety around Voodoo
and black practitioners
2074
01:51:17,322 --> 01:51:19,367
of Voodoo and mystical
religious practices.
2075
01:51:19,411 --> 01:51:20,934
[rhythmic drum music]
2076
01:51:20,978 --> 01:51:23,632
- As sure as my name
is Boris Karloff,
2077
01:51:23,676 --> 01:51:27,636
you will witness fantastic
events in this thriller,
2078
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,944
events as dark as the jungle
where the Voodoo rights
2079
01:51:30,988 --> 01:51:34,469
and Voodoo drums were
first seen and heard.
2080
01:51:34,513 --> 01:51:37,342
It may even lead you to
wonder what you yourself
2081
01:51:37,385 --> 01:51:41,128
could accomplish with
just an ordinary pin
2082
01:51:41,172 --> 01:51:43,304
and a doll shaped like someone
2083
01:51:43,348 --> 01:51:46,220
of whom you're not
particularly fond.
2084
01:51:46,264 --> 01:51:50,964
[dramatic music]
[flame crackling]
2085
01:51:51,008 --> 01:51:52,487
- So when we look, for instance,
2086
01:51:52,531 --> 01:51:56,230
at films like "White
Zombie," "Owanga,"
2087
01:51:56,274 --> 01:51:58,537
"I Walked With a Zombie,"
2088
01:51:58,580 --> 01:52:02,671
"Voodoo Black Exorcist,"
we see in many cases
2089
01:52:02,715 --> 01:52:06,675
Voodoo represented, but
divorced of its religion.
2090
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:09,766
Instead what Voodoo
becomes is an ominous sound
2091
01:52:09,809 --> 01:52:14,118
in the distance suggesting
evil is beginning to rise
2092
01:52:15,641 --> 01:52:19,253
and make incursions upon
proper white authority.
2093
01:52:21,255 --> 01:52:23,518
So, when we think
about particularly
the films coming out
2094
01:52:23,562 --> 01:52:26,173
in the late and mid-'80s such as
2095
01:52:26,217 --> 01:52:27,696
"The Serpent and the Rainbow,"
2096
01:52:27,740 --> 01:52:29,698
"The Believers,"
and "Angel Heart,"
2097
01:52:29,742 --> 01:52:33,267
it emphasizes it as a
corruptive influence.
2098
01:52:34,747 --> 01:52:35,704
- [Airport Employee]
Open this, please.
2099
01:52:35,748 --> 01:52:37,315
- Just personal items.
2100
01:52:39,883 --> 01:52:41,972
No need to look in there.
2101
01:52:43,756 --> 01:52:46,280
- [Maisha] And more
importantly, a corruptive force
2102
01:52:46,324 --> 01:52:50,981
which can spread to and corrupt
and contaminate the U.S.
2103
01:52:52,896 --> 01:52:54,419
- "The Believers,"
John Slessinger,
2104
01:52:54,462 --> 01:52:57,291
which is a film about
the way Santeria
2105
01:52:57,335 --> 01:53:00,381
comes into a white
American community.
2106
01:53:00,425 --> 01:53:04,603
They use African magic to
create power and wealth.
2107
01:53:06,344 --> 01:53:08,128
But the interesting thing
about "The Believers"
2108
01:53:08,172 --> 01:53:11,479
is that it was actually
used by a drug running cult
2109
01:53:11,523 --> 01:53:13,046
as a training film.
2110
01:53:13,090 --> 01:53:15,396
So, it creates this
strange loop whereby,
2111
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:17,094
and this is another thing,
that the cinema becomes part
2112
01:53:17,137 --> 01:53:19,487
of the mythology, too.
2113
01:53:19,531 --> 01:53:21,576
- [Man] Come with me.
2114
01:53:21,620 --> 01:53:24,014
Come with me and be immortal.
2115
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,628
- [Woman] Candyman, huh?
2116
01:53:29,671 --> 01:53:31,456
- Yes. Have you heard of him?
2117
01:53:31,499 --> 01:53:35,068
- Mm-hmm. You doin'
a study on him?
2118
01:53:35,112 --> 01:53:37,070
- Yes, I am. What
have you heard?
2119
01:53:37,114 --> 01:53:38,898
[camera clicks]
2120
01:53:38,942 --> 01:53:40,769
- [John] Another one that's
slightly more subtle and nuanced
2121
01:53:40,813 --> 01:53:43,598
is "Candyman," which
brings in the question
2122
01:53:43,642 --> 01:53:46,775
of folk legends or urban myths.
2123
01:53:46,819 --> 01:53:49,082
- [Kier-La] Typically we would
reserve the term folk horror
2124
01:53:49,126 --> 01:53:51,693
for stories that take place
in rural environments,
2125
01:53:51,737 --> 01:53:54,087
but I think a strong case
can be made for "Candyman"
2126
01:53:54,131 --> 01:53:57,264
as a folk horror film
because of its liminality,
2127
01:53:57,308 --> 01:53:59,353
the psychogeographical pull
2128
01:53:59,397 --> 01:54:01,921
of the Cabrini-Green
housing project itself
2129
01:54:01,965 --> 01:54:03,531
and how that connects back
2130
01:54:03,575 --> 01:54:06,012
to the Reconstruction-era
folktale.
2131
01:54:06,056 --> 01:54:09,929
- [Helen] My apartment was
built as a housing project.
2132
01:54:09,973 --> 01:54:11,365
- No.
- Yeah.
2133
01:54:11,409 --> 01:54:13,802
[microfiche rattling]
2134
01:54:13,846 --> 01:54:15,804
- [John] What we often
find as in "The Believers,"
2135
01:54:15,848 --> 01:54:17,545
the central protagonist
is often someone
2136
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:20,287
who's studying or
researching or is educated,
2137
01:54:20,331 --> 01:54:22,159
and they don't
really believe in it,
2138
01:54:22,202 --> 01:54:23,943
but they're deeply
interested in it,
2139
01:54:23,987 --> 01:54:26,641
and their fascination becomes
a part of their undoing.
2140
01:54:26,685 --> 01:54:27,555
- Candyman.
2141
01:54:29,601 --> 01:54:31,559
♪ For the Christians
it is written ♪
2142
01:54:31,603 --> 01:54:34,475
♪ That in the
black nothin' age ♪
2143
01:54:34,519 --> 01:54:39,524
♪ There existed an addiction
to blood among its people ♪
2144
01:54:41,004 --> 01:54:43,528
- [John] "Ganja &
Hess" is a 1970s
2145
01:54:43,571 --> 01:54:45,530
so-called Black vampire film
2146
01:54:45,573 --> 01:54:48,576
made by a great, great director
and writer called Bill Gunn,
2147
01:54:48,620 --> 01:54:50,970
and it stars Dwayne Jones,
who was the lead character
2148
01:54:51,014 --> 01:54:53,538
in "Night of the Living Dead."
2149
01:54:55,366 --> 01:54:57,368
- [Maisha] Ganja & Hess
is a very interesting take
2150
01:54:57,411 --> 01:55:00,937
on the problem and tension
between the rejection
2151
01:55:00,980 --> 01:55:03,504
of the old and the
embrace of the new
2152
01:55:03,548 --> 01:55:06,943
because when we look at Hess's
plight within this film,
2153
01:55:06,986 --> 01:55:10,947
what we really see is a
problem of assimilation,
2154
01:55:10,990 --> 01:55:14,167
utter assimilation
into modern politics
2155
01:55:14,211 --> 01:55:18,302
and ideas of race and
capitalism and consumerism.
2156
01:55:20,086 --> 01:55:23,568
And what this film urges
is actually a remembrance
2157
01:55:23,611 --> 01:55:25,048
of the ancestral.
2158
01:55:27,050 --> 01:55:28,529
- He was an anthropologist.
2159
01:55:28,573 --> 01:55:31,054
He had all this African
art around his house
2160
01:55:31,097 --> 01:55:33,230
and all kinds of objects.
2161
01:55:35,101 --> 01:55:39,279
So he dealt with old
history, he dealt with bones,
2162
01:55:41,020 --> 01:55:44,763
he dealt with messages
from centuries before.
2163
01:55:46,243 --> 01:55:49,507
So, he had developed
a whole communication.
2164
01:55:51,944 --> 01:55:54,903
- [Maisha] It's a
misuse of the ancestral
2165
01:55:54,947 --> 01:55:59,212
that rather emphasizes
disconnection rather
than connection.
2166
01:55:59,256 --> 01:56:03,651
And so this curse is a
curse of remembering.
2167
01:56:03,695 --> 01:56:06,567
- [John] It's also about the
fact of this return to Africa
2168
01:56:06,611 --> 01:56:10,658
and Africanist sensibility in
the African-American community
2169
01:56:10,702 --> 01:56:12,269
in the late '60s, early '70s.
2170
01:56:12,312 --> 01:56:14,227
And there's a deep
sense of trying
2171
01:56:14,271 --> 01:56:16,229
to get back to your
ancestral roots.
2172
01:56:16,273 --> 01:56:18,449
So, the film is very much
about the ambivalence
2173
01:56:18,492 --> 01:56:20,233
of trying to be a
modern American,
2174
01:56:20,277 --> 01:56:24,977
kind of in a post-racial
society, and the impulse also,
2175
01:56:25,021 --> 01:56:26,674
or perhaps the
contradictory impulse,
2176
01:56:26,718 --> 01:56:30,113
to try and reclaim
your African ancestry.
2177
01:56:31,549 --> 01:56:33,072
It needs to be seen
in relationship
2178
01:56:33,116 --> 01:56:35,118
to the assassination
of Martin Luther King
2179
01:56:35,161 --> 01:56:37,294
and the ideological conflict
in the Black community
2180
01:56:37,337 --> 01:56:39,165
in America at that time
2181
01:56:39,209 --> 01:56:42,429
between violent revolutionary
militant politics
2182
01:56:42,473 --> 01:56:45,650
of the Black Panthers and the
Nation of Islam, Malcolm X,
2183
01:56:45,693 --> 01:56:47,782
and the legacy of King,
2184
01:56:47,826 --> 01:56:51,308
which was a much more
passive resistance, Christian
2185
01:56:51,351 --> 01:56:53,832
way of bringing about change.
2186
01:56:55,399 --> 01:56:59,011
So, it's a film very
much about redemption.
2187
01:57:00,099 --> 01:57:01,622
- There's a tension at the end
2188
01:57:01,666 --> 01:57:04,886
between his acceptance
in the Black church
2189
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:08,977
and his embrace of the cross.
2190
01:57:09,021 --> 01:57:12,024
Hess dies not in the church,
2191
01:57:12,068 --> 01:57:15,854
Hess dies in the
shadow of the cross.
2192
01:57:15,897 --> 01:57:18,465
And if we think about
what that shadow means,
2193
01:57:18,509 --> 01:57:22,382
it's the ways in which
this Christian tradition
2194
01:57:24,167 --> 01:57:28,084
has been manipulated to
become a tool of warfare,
2195
01:57:28,127 --> 01:57:31,652
of racial oppression,
of domination,
2196
01:57:31,696 --> 01:57:36,396
the ways in which the cross
has cast a black shadow
2197
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,095
across cultures
that it encounters,
2198
01:57:39,138 --> 01:57:42,098
to erase the ancestral
and displace it
2199
01:57:42,141 --> 01:57:44,100
with white Christianity.
2200
01:57:45,536 --> 01:57:47,668
This is what kills him.
2201
01:57:47,712 --> 01:57:50,410
[singer humming]
2202
01:57:59,245 --> 01:58:02,422
[ominous music]
2203
01:58:02,466 --> 01:58:03,858
- [Kier-La] Folk horror
tends to have a lot
2204
01:58:03,902 --> 01:58:06,339
of cultural and
geographic specificity,
2205
01:58:06,383 --> 01:58:09,168
but when you start to look at
it from a global perspective,
2206
01:58:09,212 --> 01:58:11,170
these films are often
speaking to each other
2207
01:58:11,214 --> 01:58:13,172
in really interesting ways.
2208
01:58:13,216 --> 01:58:15,261
[explosion booms]
2209
01:58:15,305 --> 01:58:18,090
[dramatic music]
2210
01:58:34,454 --> 01:58:37,240
[crowd shouting]
2211
01:58:38,415 --> 01:58:41,505
[soft ominous music]
2212
01:58:57,651 --> 01:59:00,306
- [Announcer] This
man had a dream,
2213
01:59:00,350 --> 01:59:04,615
a forbidden vision that
becomes a living nightmare.
2214
01:59:06,878 --> 01:59:08,358
- What are dreams?
2215
01:59:10,882 --> 01:59:13,406
- The way of knowing things.
2216
01:59:13,450 --> 01:59:16,453
Dream is a shadow
of something real.
2217
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:21,936
- When I first thought about
the folk horror in Australia,
2218
01:59:21,980 --> 01:59:23,677
I thought, well,
we don't have any.
2219
01:59:23,721 --> 01:59:26,114
It's this very European thing,
this very British thing.
2220
01:59:26,158 --> 01:59:28,291
But when I started
thinking about
2221
01:59:28,334 --> 01:59:32,860
the very complex and often
quite ugly colonial history
2222
01:59:34,297 --> 01:59:37,038
of Australia, folk
traditions dominate.
2223
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,607
- A lot of Australian
folk horror
2224
01:59:40,651 --> 01:59:43,697
deals with indigenous tradition
2225
01:59:43,741 --> 01:59:47,484
and deals with the white
colonial, I suppose,
2226
01:59:49,094 --> 01:59:51,183
response to those traditions,
which is often one
2227
01:59:51,227 --> 01:59:53,446
of not understanding
what's happening
2228
01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:54,926
and sort of fear.
2229
01:59:57,668 --> 01:59:59,235
- [Alexandra] But when you
dig a little bit more deeply,
2230
01:59:59,278 --> 02:00:01,324
I think films that feel
that they don't have
2231
02:00:01,367 --> 02:00:04,892
a direct indigenous
connection in fact do.
2232
02:00:06,677 --> 02:00:11,159
- [Girl] I feel like something
bad is gonna happen to me.
2233
02:00:11,203 --> 02:00:14,206
I feel like something
bad has happened.
2234
02:00:14,250 --> 02:00:18,079
It hasn't reached me
yet, but it's on its way.
2235
02:00:19,429 --> 02:00:22,910
- Lake Mungo is a
sacred indigenous site.
2236
02:00:22,954 --> 02:00:25,826
In the late 1960s
they found the bodies,
2237
02:00:25,870 --> 02:00:30,788
40,000 year-old bodies, remains
of three indigenous people.
2238
02:00:33,530 --> 02:00:35,706
Nothing in the
film mentions this,
2239
02:00:35,749 --> 02:00:37,838
but there's something
about that place
2240
02:00:37,882 --> 02:00:42,365
and indigenous cultures,
they're so connected to land.
2241
02:00:44,236 --> 02:00:47,239
[soft somber music]
2242
02:00:49,372 --> 02:00:52,113
And we find this
in "Wolf Creek."
2243
02:00:55,639 --> 02:00:57,380
And what I find interesting
2244
02:00:57,423 --> 02:00:59,295
about "Lake Mungo,"
"Picnic at Hanging Rock,"
2245
02:00:59,338 --> 02:01:01,906
and "Wolf Creek" is that they
may not be directly talking
2246
02:01:01,949 --> 02:01:05,257
about indigenous
cultures in the same way
2247
02:01:05,301 --> 02:01:06,867
that something like
"The Last Wave"
2248
02:01:06,911 --> 02:01:09,609
or "Red Billabong"
or "Prey" are,
2249
02:01:11,089 --> 02:01:13,091
but they're more about
the sense of place,
2250
02:01:13,134 --> 02:01:16,921
and instead of exoticizing
indigenous history
2251
02:01:18,575 --> 02:01:21,578
and indigenous culture, there's
a sort of acknowledgement
2252
02:01:21,621 --> 02:01:24,232
that there are things about
this land that we don't know
2253
02:01:24,276 --> 02:01:27,714
and that we don't understand,
and we will never understand.
2254
02:01:27,758 --> 02:01:29,325
And I think that
that's perhaps one
2255
02:01:29,368 --> 02:01:31,718
of the more productive
ways of engaging
2256
02:01:31,762 --> 02:01:35,983
with this folkloric background
from a colonial perspective.
2257
02:01:36,027 --> 02:01:39,639
[mysterious music]
2258
02:01:39,683 --> 02:01:42,381
- A really interesting film
that sort of bridges the gap
2259
02:01:42,425 --> 02:01:44,775
between folk horror
in Australian cinema
2260
02:01:44,818 --> 02:01:47,386
from the white
filmmaker's perspective
2261
02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:48,909
or the settler perspective
2262
02:01:48,953 --> 02:01:51,912
and folk horror from the
Aboriginal perspective
2263
02:01:51,956 --> 02:01:54,872
is Tracey Moffatt's
film "Bedevil."
2264
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:57,396
That's a very unusual film.
2265
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:00,094
It's essentially a
trilogy of ghost stories
2266
02:02:00,138 --> 02:02:03,576
about a town where the
main character believes
2267
02:02:03,620 --> 02:02:06,623
that an American GI from
the Second World War
2268
02:02:06,666 --> 02:02:09,321
died in a swamp, and therefore,
2269
02:02:10,627 --> 02:02:13,020
the ghost of that
person haunts that area,
2270
02:02:13,064 --> 02:02:16,633
and then later a cinema
is built over that swamp,
2271
02:02:16,676 --> 02:02:19,157
and it is supposedly haunted.
2272
02:02:20,985 --> 02:02:24,467
- They built a poxy cinema
above that stinkin' swamp.
2273
02:02:27,992 --> 02:02:30,386
Can ya believe that?
2274
02:02:30,429 --> 02:02:32,953
- And I suppose Tracey Moffatt
is saying with "Bedevil"
2275
02:02:32,997 --> 02:02:35,042
that everything is
mysterious to someone
2276
02:02:35,086 --> 02:02:38,394
and our past and our
culture is mysterious
2277
02:02:38,437 --> 02:02:39,525
to all of us as well.
2278
02:02:39,569 --> 02:02:41,484
So, she's kind of throwing away
2279
02:02:41,527 --> 02:02:43,964
that sort of traditional
folk horror paradigm
2280
02:02:44,008 --> 02:02:47,838
and mixing things up in
a really interesting way.
2281
02:02:47,881 --> 02:02:50,841
[soft tense music]
2282
02:03:06,857 --> 02:03:10,338
- [Announcer] It is Tuesday
the 26th of January, 1988,
2283
02:03:10,382 --> 02:03:11,992
and on behalf of the staff
2284
02:03:12,036 --> 02:03:13,733
at the Better and
Broad Northwest Radio,
2285
02:03:13,777 --> 02:03:15,909
I'd just like to wish
the great nation of ours
2286
02:03:15,953 --> 02:03:17,868
a happy 200th birthday.
2287
02:03:23,221 --> 02:03:25,832
- So 1988 is a hugely
significant year
2288
02:03:25,876 --> 02:03:28,008
in Australian history.
2289
02:03:28,052 --> 02:03:31,882
It marked the bicentenary
of white settlement.
2290
02:03:34,058 --> 02:03:35,538
It's invasion day.
2291
02:03:36,974 --> 02:03:41,718
[soft ominous music]
[man chattering]
2292
02:03:43,415 --> 02:03:44,895
The Government sanctioned
ads, they were huge.
2293
02:03:44,938 --> 02:03:46,070
You know, parties
at the Opera House.
2294
02:03:46,113 --> 02:03:47,680
There were government-funded ads
2295
02:03:47,724 --> 02:03:51,205
that were this little
celebration of a nation.
2296
02:03:51,249 --> 02:03:52,946
And these odd
little horror films
2297
02:03:52,990 --> 02:03:57,037
just that seemed like nothing
start to critique that.
2298
02:03:57,081 --> 02:03:59,779
Two films came out that I think
2299
02:03:59,823 --> 02:04:01,389
are really, really interesting,
2300
02:04:01,433 --> 02:04:02,869
and I don't think
they mean to be.
2301
02:04:02,913 --> 02:04:05,524
And I love this about
horror in that sometimes
2302
02:04:05,568 --> 02:04:08,919
they just capture a moment
or articulate something
2303
02:04:08,962 --> 02:04:11,051
that they don't even know
that they're articulating.
2304
02:04:11,095 --> 02:04:12,879
[soft ominous music]
2305
02:04:12,923 --> 02:04:14,315
- [Woman] Look, the stones
aren't such a mystery,
2306
02:04:14,359 --> 02:04:15,491
not when you consider
where you live.
2307
02:04:15,534 --> 02:04:16,622
- [Woman 2] How do you mean?
2308
02:04:16,666 --> 02:04:18,102
- Well, your street is the site
2309
02:04:18,145 --> 02:04:20,234
of an old Aboriginal
burial ground.
2310
02:04:20,278 --> 02:04:22,062
There was quite a
protest about it
2311
02:04:22,106 --> 02:04:23,760
a couple of years ago when
the area was being developed.
2312
02:04:23,803 --> 02:04:26,066
I was involved in
it myself actually.
2313
02:04:26,110 --> 02:04:27,894
I'm surprised you didn't know
2314
02:04:27,938 --> 02:04:30,157
because your father's
company was the developer.
2315
02:04:30,201 --> 02:04:32,943
- That film is hugely
significant because it's really
2316
02:04:32,986 --> 02:04:35,554
the closest, one
of the few places
2317
02:04:35,598 --> 02:04:39,253
in the mainstream
white imagination,
2318
02:04:39,297 --> 02:04:41,081
where we started
getting a critique,
2319
02:04:41,125 --> 02:04:43,127
a maybe this isn't cool.
2320
02:04:44,607 --> 02:04:46,130
There was another
film that came out
2321
02:04:46,173 --> 02:04:48,654
that year that I adore
called "The Dreaming."
2322
02:04:48,698 --> 02:04:51,701
[suspenseful music]
2323
02:04:55,139 --> 02:04:57,881
[pen scratching]
2324
02:05:03,147 --> 02:05:04,757
The main character is a doctor,
2325
02:05:04,801 --> 02:05:08,021
and she is working
in an emergency ward
2326
02:05:08,065 --> 02:05:11,111
and a young indigenous
woman comes in and she dies.
2327
02:05:11,155 --> 02:05:12,635
And after her death,
the doctor starts
2328
02:05:12,678 --> 02:05:15,638
having nightmares
about the past.
2329
02:05:15,681 --> 02:05:18,205
[tense music]
2330
02:05:20,643 --> 02:05:22,122
It's a really interesting movie,
2331
02:05:22,166 --> 02:05:25,169
specifically, again, for 1988,
2332
02:05:25,212 --> 02:05:29,608
the year of the supposed
celebrations of the bicentenary,
2333
02:05:29,652 --> 02:05:31,697
because it draws
a direct parallel
2334
02:05:31,741 --> 02:05:35,788
between colonial violence
and gender violence.
2335
02:05:35,832 --> 02:05:40,837
[eerie voices chattering]
[ominous music]
2336
02:05:46,103 --> 02:05:47,887
- [Kier-La] The connection
between invasion,
2337
02:05:47,931 --> 02:05:49,846
genocide, and gendered
violence can also be seen
2338
02:05:49,889 --> 02:05:54,502
in things like Marcin
Wrona's 2015 film "Demon."
2339
02:05:54,546 --> 02:05:58,898
- "Demon" is loosely based
on the idea of the dybbuk.
2340
02:06:00,291 --> 02:06:01,988
The dybbuk comes
from Jewish folklore.
2341
02:06:02,032 --> 02:06:05,383
It's a clinging ghost
that attaches itself
2342
02:06:05,426 --> 02:06:09,822
to somebody who is living and
effectively possesses them.
2343
02:06:09,866 --> 02:06:14,348
Most famously the idea of
the dybbuk comes from a play
2344
02:06:14,392 --> 02:06:17,221
written by the
Russian folklorist,
2345
02:06:17,264 --> 02:06:20,050
polemicist, writer S. Ansky,
2346
02:06:20,093 --> 02:06:22,226
made into a film in 1937.
2347
02:06:23,444 --> 02:06:26,447
[suspenseful music]
2348
02:06:27,405 --> 02:06:29,537
What is most significant
2349
02:06:29,581 --> 02:06:33,759
in terms of the film's
relationship to the folklore
2350
02:06:35,718 --> 02:06:40,200
is that the clinging ghost
is ultimately defeated
2351
02:06:40,244 --> 02:06:43,073
not through a formal
exorcism process,
2352
02:06:43,116 --> 02:06:47,817
but through the great rabbi
remembering his own ancestry.
2353
02:06:48,818 --> 02:06:50,297
[upbeat music]
2354
02:06:50,341 --> 02:06:53,431
Jumping ahead to 2015
and Marcin Wrona's
2355
02:06:55,433 --> 02:06:57,435
remarkable film "Demon,"
2356
02:06:57,478 --> 02:07:00,786
we get another kind
of dybbuk narrative.
2357
02:07:03,180 --> 02:07:04,660
[glass breaks]
2358
02:07:04,703 --> 02:07:06,574
Piotr and Zaneta
are getting married
2359
02:07:06,618 --> 02:07:11,405
on the family
homestead, property that
Zaneta's father owns
2360
02:07:11,449 --> 02:07:14,931
and is giving as a wedding
present to the young couple.
2361
02:07:14,974 --> 02:07:17,760
The vast majority of the film
takes place over one night,
2362
02:07:17,803 --> 02:07:20,153
the night of the wedding itself.
2363
02:07:20,197 --> 02:07:24,549
On his first night there,
Piotr uncovers some bones.
2364
02:07:26,290 --> 02:07:27,944
- [Kier-La] It turns out
this land being given to them
2365
02:07:27,987 --> 02:07:30,337
as a wedding present is
the site of a massacre
2366
02:07:30,381 --> 02:07:32,426
where all the Jewish
inhabitants of the village
2367
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:35,516
were killed during
the Holocaust.
2368
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:39,259
- The film positions
itself as a way
2369
02:07:39,303 --> 02:07:44,308
of recounting the past of
this little village in Poland
2370
02:07:46,005 --> 02:07:48,181
that has quite literally
covered up what happened there
2371
02:07:48,225 --> 02:07:50,706
in terms of the Nazi genocide.
2372
02:07:52,185 --> 02:07:54,753
This is not a history
which is recognized
2373
02:07:54,797 --> 02:07:56,973
within the village itself.
2374
02:07:59,192 --> 02:08:03,501
[man speaking in
foreign language]
2375
02:08:41,844 --> 02:08:46,849
[ominous music]
[crowd shouting]
2376
02:08:49,286 --> 02:08:52,071
- In 2019, Jayro Bustamante
used the folk legend
2377
02:08:52,115 --> 02:08:54,334
of La Llorona to talk
about the genocide
2378
02:08:54,378 --> 02:08:57,033
of the indigenous Mayan
population in Guatemala,
2379
02:08:57,076 --> 02:09:00,166
what's known as El
Holocausto Silencioso,
2380
02:09:00,210 --> 02:09:01,951
the Silent Holocaust.
2381
02:09:03,866 --> 02:09:05,737
La Llorona is this
like old story,
2382
02:09:05,781 --> 02:09:08,218
depends who you ask it, but
it has to do with one thing:
2383
02:09:08,261 --> 02:09:10,263
when the man Cortes was
the big conquistador
2384
02:09:10,307 --> 02:09:12,831
came to Mexico, he
married La Malinche
2385
02:09:12,875 --> 02:09:16,704
who was an Indian woman that
was given to him as a present.
2386
02:09:16,748 --> 02:09:20,883
She was a slave, but she
understood other languages
2387
02:09:20,926 --> 02:09:23,755
and she had like a
ability for languages
2388
02:09:23,799 --> 02:09:25,539
and she starts learning Spanish,
2389
02:09:25,583 --> 02:09:28,542
so she became the translator
for the conquistador.
2390
02:09:28,586 --> 02:09:31,197
And of course they
had children together,
2391
02:09:31,241 --> 02:09:32,764
and that was like
the first, you know,
2392
02:09:32,808 --> 02:09:34,374
they say that she's the
mother of the Mexican,
2393
02:09:34,418 --> 02:09:36,115
the first, you know,
cross-breeding.
2394
02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:39,205
And from that came the
idea that eventually Cortes
2395
02:09:39,249 --> 02:09:42,034
had children with other
women and she left her
2396
02:09:42,078 --> 02:09:43,862
and there was like some drama,
2397
02:09:43,906 --> 02:09:47,387
and so the idea of the
rich man or the white man
2398
02:09:47,431 --> 02:09:50,826
that falls in love with the
Indian and then leaves her
2399
02:09:50,869 --> 02:09:52,566
and she's scorned
and she's like sad
2400
02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:54,873
then drowned the children,
2401
02:09:54,917 --> 02:09:57,223
and then when she realizes
what she had done,
2402
02:09:57,267 --> 02:09:58,834
she would kill herself.
2403
02:09:58,877 --> 02:10:02,054
But of course her
spirit would stay
2404
02:10:02,098 --> 02:10:05,275
and, you know, go howl at
night. [speaking in Spanish]
2405
02:10:05,318 --> 02:10:08,844
[woman wailing in Spanish]
2406
02:10:10,106 --> 02:10:11,977
[dramatic music]
2407
02:10:12,021 --> 02:10:13,805
[woman gasps]
2408
02:10:13,849 --> 02:10:15,415
It's not something
that's only in Mexico.
2409
02:10:15,459 --> 02:10:18,636
La Llorona takes stuff
that, you know, Medea,
2410
02:10:18,679 --> 02:10:21,073
you know the mother
that kills the children.
2411
02:10:21,117 --> 02:10:22,901
There's the ubume from Japan,
2412
02:10:22,945 --> 02:10:26,949
which is the yokai for the
women that die in childbirth.
2413
02:10:26,992 --> 02:10:30,126
There's the banshees
from Ireland, you
know, the screaming?
2414
02:10:30,169 --> 02:10:32,432
[speaking in Spanish]
it's the equivalent.
2415
02:10:32,476 --> 02:10:34,478
So I think it's
super interesting
2416
02:10:34,521 --> 02:10:36,872
how these myths are
all around the world,
2417
02:10:36,915 --> 02:10:37,916
they just have different names,
2418
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:39,744
and we make it local.
2419
02:10:43,835 --> 02:10:48,187
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
2420
02:11:01,418 --> 02:11:05,683
[man speaking in
foreign language]
2421
02:11:16,694 --> 02:11:21,090
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
2422
02:11:26,095 --> 02:11:29,620
[man speaking in Spanish]
2423
02:11:34,712 --> 02:11:36,540
- [Abraham] And where
commonly, the La Llorona legend
2424
02:11:36,583 --> 02:11:38,585
has her drowning
her own children,
2425
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:40,936
here her children are being
drowned in front of her
2426
02:11:40,979 --> 02:11:44,200
by the soldiers of a dictator
who's massacring her people.
2427
02:11:44,243 --> 02:11:47,333
So it calls attention
to what the story is
2428
02:11:47,377 --> 02:11:50,902
depending on who gets
to be the storyteller.
2429
02:11:50,946 --> 02:11:53,078
- [Kier-La] So where water
imagery's always been important
2430
02:11:53,122 --> 02:11:54,993
in the La Llorona mythology
2431
02:11:55,037 --> 02:11:57,256
because of its
maternal associations,
2432
02:11:57,300 --> 02:12:00,956
here it becomes a symbol
of national trauma.
2433
02:12:03,393 --> 02:12:06,135
[water splashes]
2434
02:12:08,006 --> 02:12:12,228
[man speaking in
foreign language]
2435
02:12:21,498 --> 02:12:24,370
- [Kier-La] I think that
drowning or being submerged
2436
02:12:24,414 --> 02:12:28,548
in a river or a lake is such
a potent image for these films
2437
02:12:28,592 --> 02:12:32,204
I think because the lake
is a communal place,
2438
02:12:32,248 --> 02:12:34,772
it provides sustenance
to the community.
2439
02:12:34,815 --> 02:12:37,209
And so it instantly
implicates the community
2440
02:12:37,253 --> 02:12:40,821
and becomes a source
of collective guilt.
2441
02:12:40,865 --> 02:12:43,433
- This comes into play
also in a Japanese film
2442
02:12:43,476 --> 02:12:45,217
called "Shikoku."
2443
02:12:45,261 --> 02:12:47,915
"Shikoku" is the smallest
of the main islands
2444
02:12:47,959 --> 02:12:49,526
that make up Japan.
2445
02:12:51,006 --> 02:12:53,225
It means literally
Fourth Kingdom.
2446
02:12:53,269 --> 02:12:56,924
This again was a hotbed
for traditional Buddhism
2447
02:12:56,968 --> 02:12:59,405
and they had a very
famous pilgrim tour
2448
02:12:59,449 --> 02:13:02,452
that you do from
between 88 temples.
2449
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:07,239
So the story was that a girl
goes back to her countryside
2450
02:13:07,283 --> 02:13:10,677
where she grew up and her
best friend from high school
2451
02:13:10,721 --> 02:13:14,246
drowned in a lake
five years before,
2452
02:13:14,290 --> 02:13:16,509
and she's sort of coming
back and haunting.
2453
02:13:16,553 --> 02:13:19,556
[suspenseful music]
2454
02:13:22,733 --> 02:13:25,301
We find out that the
mother of the dead girl
2455
02:13:25,344 --> 02:13:30,175
is going around and doing
the pilgrimage backwards.
2456
02:13:30,219 --> 02:13:33,091
And then in "Noroi," which
was one of the earlier
2457
02:13:33,135 --> 02:13:34,832
Japanese found footage films,
2458
02:13:34,875 --> 02:13:37,443
the entire village
itself is drowned.
2459
02:13:37,487 --> 02:13:40,533
A dam is built on the
site and the folk rituals
2460
02:13:40,577 --> 02:13:42,100
that have been
observed for centuries
2461
02:13:42,144 --> 02:13:44,537
to appease a local
demon are disrupted,
2462
02:13:44,581 --> 02:13:46,626
with dire consequences,
of course.
2463
02:13:46,670 --> 02:13:50,195
[man speaking in Japanese]
2464
02:14:19,790 --> 02:14:23,489
[soft eerie music]
2465
02:14:23,533 --> 02:14:25,839
- [Kier-La] But a lot of
it is about building on top
2466
02:14:25,883 --> 02:14:28,755
of something else, so basically
anywhere people have moved
2467
02:14:28,799 --> 02:14:32,194
or displace other
people or other cultures
2468
02:14:32,237 --> 02:14:35,197
or where older traditions
are being transported
2469
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:38,504
to new environments, you're
gonna find folk horror.
2470
02:14:38,548 --> 02:14:41,203
[ominous music]
2471
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:47,078
- We are largely a
culture of migrants.
2472
02:14:47,122 --> 02:14:50,777
So, our traditions
apart from obviously
2473
02:14:50,821 --> 02:14:54,694
the indigenous traditions
are imported from elsewhere.
2474
02:14:54,738 --> 02:14:57,044
There are some examples
of Australian folk horror
2475
02:14:57,088 --> 02:14:59,525
that fit more within
the European tradition,
2476
02:14:59,569 --> 02:15:01,397
and one of those would be
2477
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:04,226
the early '80s film
"Alison's Birthday."
2478
02:15:04,269 --> 02:15:07,185
[man speaking in
foreign language]
2479
02:15:07,229 --> 02:15:08,708
[group speaking in
foreign language]
2480
02:15:08,752 --> 02:15:11,102
This young girl,
Alison, becomes drawn
2481
02:15:11,146 --> 02:15:15,541
into a strange Celtic
cult and they have decided
2482
02:15:15,585 --> 02:15:17,239
that she's going
to be the vessel
2483
02:15:17,282 --> 02:15:19,066
for their ancient goddess
that they worship.
2484
02:15:19,110 --> 02:15:20,894
[thunder rumbles]
2485
02:15:20,938 --> 02:15:23,593
- [Woman] Skip, skip, skipping
on the ends of their toes
2486
02:15:23,636 --> 02:15:26,422
ran the Hobyahs, and
the Hobyahs cried,
2487
02:15:26,465 --> 02:15:29,816
"Pull down the hemp stalks,
eat up the little old man,
2488
02:15:29,860 --> 02:15:31,949
carry off the little old woman."
2489
02:15:31,992 --> 02:15:34,212
- When we think of
Australian horror movies
2490
02:15:34,256 --> 02:15:36,388
about a young child
who is obsessed
2491
02:15:36,432 --> 02:15:39,565
with a haunted or
a spooky storybook,
2492
02:15:39,609 --> 02:15:41,393
we of course, think
of "The Babadook."
2493
02:15:41,437 --> 02:15:45,441
It's predated by "Celia," and
Celia's a young schoolgirl
2494
02:15:45,484 --> 02:15:47,660
who is told a story at school.
2495
02:15:47,704 --> 02:15:50,228
There's a book at her
school called "The Hobyahs."
2496
02:15:50,272 --> 02:15:52,578
It's apparently a Scottish tale,
2497
02:15:52,622 --> 02:15:56,103
but it was very much
imported and reinterpreted
2498
02:15:56,147 --> 02:15:58,671
in Australia, it was put
in a formal collection
2499
02:15:58,715 --> 02:16:00,282
of fairytales initially,
2500
02:16:00,325 --> 02:16:02,675
and an Australian
folklorist picked it up
2501
02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:06,592
and it really became part
of Australian folklore.
2502
02:16:06,636 --> 02:16:09,639
♪ Was a wild colonial boy
2503
02:16:09,682 --> 02:16:13,033
♪ Jack Duggan was his name
2504
02:16:13,077 --> 02:16:17,124
♪ He was born and
raised in Ireland ♪
2505
02:16:17,168 --> 02:16:20,780
♪ In a place called Castlemain
2506
02:16:20,824 --> 02:16:24,131
A lot of Australian folklore
stems from what I guess
2507
02:16:24,175 --> 02:16:27,352
we can call the Wild
Colonial Boys imagination,
2508
02:16:27,396 --> 02:16:30,790
and the origins of
this lie in a ballad,
2509
02:16:30,834 --> 02:16:32,314
an Australian-Irish
ballad called
2510
02:16:32,357 --> 02:16:34,707
"The Wild Colonial
Boy," singular.
2511
02:16:34,751 --> 02:16:38,450
♪ At the early age of 16 years
2512
02:16:38,494 --> 02:16:40,974
♪ He left his native home
2513
02:16:41,018 --> 02:16:42,280
- Oh!
- That's right.
2514
02:16:42,324 --> 02:16:43,847
- And it's so deep in there.
2515
02:16:43,890 --> 02:16:46,676
It's not just in
film and fiction.
2516
02:16:48,373 --> 02:16:50,810
It's in the newscast,
it's in football coverage,
2517
02:16:50,854 --> 02:16:52,812
this idea that, you
know, we're the lads
2518
02:16:52,856 --> 02:16:55,162
and we will band together
and we will fight the law.
2519
02:16:55,206 --> 02:16:56,816
The legacy of "The
Wild Colonial Boy"
2520
02:16:56,860 --> 02:16:59,079
you can see in things
like "Ned Kelly,"
2521
02:16:59,123 --> 02:17:01,168
true crime films,
obviously "Chopper,"
2522
02:17:01,212 --> 02:17:04,650
things like "The
Boys" and "Snowtown."
2523
02:17:04,694 --> 02:17:06,913
But "Wake In Fright" would
be the obvious go-to place
2524
02:17:06,957 --> 02:17:08,567
to really feel the legacy
2525
02:17:08,611 --> 02:17:11,831
of the Wild Colonial Boys legend
2526
02:17:11,875 --> 02:17:14,878
in Australian
horror film history.
2527
02:17:14,921 --> 02:17:16,183
- [Man] When you're ready.
2528
02:17:16,227 --> 02:17:18,011
- Fair go!
- Fair go!
2529
02:17:18,055 --> 02:17:19,491
Fair go.
2530
02:17:19,535 --> 02:17:22,015
- I think ritual
in "Wake in Fright"
2531
02:17:22,059 --> 02:17:23,887
operates on a number of levels.
2532
02:17:23,930 --> 02:17:28,021
So there's probably just a
level of these are some customs
2533
02:17:28,065 --> 02:17:29,849
that are common in Australia,
2534
02:17:29,893 --> 02:17:32,504
like playing Two-up or going
out and shooting kangaroos
2535
02:17:32,548 --> 02:17:35,855
to keep the kangaroo
population down.
2536
02:17:35,899 --> 02:17:39,946
But in the town that we
see depicted in the film,
2537
02:17:41,774 --> 02:17:45,561
these activities are sort of
taken to a heightened level.
2538
02:17:45,604 --> 02:17:49,434
So, Two-up becomes a very
powerful sort of game
2539
02:17:49,478 --> 02:17:51,044
of fate and destiny.
2540
02:17:51,088 --> 02:17:53,743
[ominous music]
2541
02:17:56,572 --> 02:17:59,401
[explosion booms]
2542
02:18:01,316 --> 02:18:04,319
[suspenseful music]
2543
02:18:08,801 --> 02:18:13,284
[Laura speaking in
foreign language]
2544
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:28,995
- [Kier-La] The colonial
settlement of Brazil
2545
02:18:29,039 --> 02:18:31,302
brought a lot of the
same fears about contact
2546
02:18:31,346 --> 02:18:33,391
between different
systems of faith
2547
02:18:33,435 --> 02:18:36,655
that we see in North
American folk horror.
2548
02:18:36,699 --> 02:18:41,181
[Carlos speaking in
foreign language]
2549
02:18:42,966 --> 02:18:45,664
- And Candomble is the
African Brazilian religion
2550
02:18:45,708 --> 02:18:49,538
which retains most of
its Aboriginal elements,
2551
02:18:51,366 --> 02:18:55,413
native elements when it was
celebrated back in Africa.
2552
02:18:55,457 --> 02:18:59,852
The religion was brought to
Brazil by the African slaves,
2553
02:18:59,896 --> 02:19:02,638
but it was very
readily repressed
2554
02:19:04,030 --> 02:19:07,599
by slave masters,
authorities, the clergy,
2555
02:19:07,643 --> 02:19:10,646
and was mostly
practiced in secrecy.
2556
02:19:13,475 --> 02:19:15,999
Umbanda is basically Candomble
2557
02:19:17,653 --> 02:19:21,439
mixed with a Christian
element, mostly of Catholicism,
2558
02:19:21,483 --> 02:19:24,834
and some of another
very famous religion
2559
02:19:26,662 --> 02:19:29,404
practiced in Brazil, which
is Kardecist spiritualism.
2560
02:19:29,447 --> 02:19:33,233
It came from France from
the medium Allan Kardec,
2561
02:19:33,277 --> 02:19:35,453
which created this
Christian religion based
2562
02:19:35,497 --> 02:19:38,935
on spiritual communication
with the dead.
2563
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:44,506
There is a third branch of the
African Brazilian religion,
2564
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:48,379
which is something very
small, very marginal,
2565
02:19:50,207 --> 02:19:54,341
and very frowned upon
by the practitioners
2566
02:19:54,385 --> 02:19:56,039
of Candomble and Umbanda,
2567
02:19:56,082 --> 02:19:59,042
which is a branch
called Quimbanda.
2568
02:20:00,478 --> 02:20:04,003
Quimbanda is technically
what the practitioners
2569
02:20:04,047 --> 02:20:06,745
of Umbanda and Candomble
would call Macumba.
2570
02:20:06,789 --> 02:20:08,399
Macumba is sorcery.
2571
02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:13,665
It's using the powers
of the spiritual world
2572
02:20:13,709 --> 02:20:16,929
for your personal
individual advantage.
2573
02:20:18,714 --> 02:20:23,283
This practice of calling African
Brazilian religions Macumba
2574
02:20:25,111 --> 02:20:27,940
or dismissing all
African Brazilian
religions as witchcraft
2575
02:20:27,984 --> 02:20:30,421
or devil worship in disguise,
2576
02:20:31,901 --> 02:20:35,295
that all came from the
Brazilian Christendom.
2577
02:20:36,732 --> 02:20:40,910
[Carlos speaking in
foreign language]
2578
02:20:49,919 --> 02:20:52,443
[birds chirping]
2579
02:20:52,487 --> 02:20:56,926
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
2580
02:21:11,854 --> 02:21:16,336
[Carlos speaking in
foreign language]
2581
02:21:25,041 --> 02:21:29,480
[Laura speaking in
foreign language]
2582
02:21:53,983 --> 02:21:58,422
[Carlos speaking in
foreign language]
2583
02:22:23,186 --> 02:22:27,538
[Laura speaking in
foreign language]
2584
02:22:43,249 --> 02:22:45,034
- [Kier-La] And I think
"As Filhas do Fogo"
2585
02:22:45,077 --> 02:22:47,558
also deliberately recalls
the Nazi associations
2586
02:22:47,602 --> 02:22:49,255
with folk tradition.
2587
02:22:51,083 --> 02:22:54,173
- If we go back far
enough, say for example
2588
02:22:54,217 --> 02:22:58,003
to Johann Gottfried
von Herder's ideas
2589
02:22:58,047 --> 02:23:00,615
of romantic nationalism,
2590
02:23:00,658 --> 02:23:04,314
Herder was a German
philosopher in the 1700s
2591
02:23:06,490 --> 02:23:11,495
who recognized or who felt
that the true spirit of Germany
2592
02:23:13,279 --> 02:23:17,109
lay in das volk, the folk,
the people of the villages,
2593
02:23:18,894 --> 02:23:21,418
of the mountains, that this
is where you would really find
2594
02:23:21,461 --> 02:23:26,031
the true spirit of Germany,
had tremendous repercussions.
2595
02:23:26,075 --> 02:23:28,860
It's what sparked the Grimm
Brothers, for example,
2596
02:23:28,904 --> 02:23:32,864
to start their collections
and really got the whole
2597
02:23:32,908 --> 02:23:36,085
folk narrative ball
rolling as it were
2598
02:23:37,826 --> 02:23:42,221
in the late 18th century
and into the 19th century.
2599
02:23:42,265 --> 02:23:45,224
Now, of course, this idea of
the true spirit of Germany,
2600
02:23:45,268 --> 02:23:49,315
being in the countryside,
was particularly popular
2601
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:54,364
with the Nazi period, and
the whole notion of das volk
2602
02:23:55,757 --> 02:23:57,323
and creating within
the Third Reich
2603
02:23:57,367 --> 02:24:00,239
a sense of the true
spirit of the people
2604
02:24:00,283 --> 02:24:02,589
was of course, very
important to the Nazis.
2605
02:24:02,633 --> 02:24:04,417
- [Kier-La] And this
connects to what is now
2606
02:24:04,461 --> 02:24:07,682
very well documented
Nazi occult research.
2607
02:24:07,725 --> 02:24:09,422
[ominous music]
2608
02:24:09,466 --> 02:24:12,817
[man speaking in German]
2609
02:24:42,499 --> 02:24:45,110
- [Kier-La] It's well-known
that Nazi occultist Otto Rahn
2610
02:24:45,154 --> 02:24:47,547
was an influence on
"Raiders of the lost Ark,"
2611
02:24:47,591 --> 02:24:50,855
And it connects to
the role of the seeker
2612
02:24:50,899 --> 02:24:52,727
or the archaeologist that
became really important
2613
02:24:52,770 --> 02:24:54,685
in these films.
2614
02:24:54,729 --> 02:24:58,733
- In the late 1930s, there was
this big discovery of ruins.
2615
02:24:58,776 --> 02:25:01,474
There was a very famous
archaeologist, Alfonso Caso,
2616
02:25:01,518 --> 02:25:04,390
who made a discovery and
wrote super-important books
2617
02:25:04,434 --> 02:25:07,132
That kind of changed the outlook
of archeology at that time.
2618
02:25:07,176 --> 02:25:09,308
And a decade later,
there was like a boom
2619
02:25:09,352 --> 02:25:13,225
of "The Aztec Mummy,"
"La Cabeza Viviente,"
2620
02:25:13,269 --> 02:25:15,662
and all these
different incarnations
2621
02:25:15,706 --> 02:25:20,537
of pre-Hispanic warriors that
were left in the pyramids
2622
02:25:20,580 --> 02:25:22,713
and they're awakened
by these archeologists
2623
02:25:22,757 --> 02:25:24,802
that come to bother
their slumber,
2624
02:25:24,846 --> 02:25:28,327
and they start attacking
people and killing them
2625
02:25:28,371 --> 02:25:32,418
and, you know, trying to
re-enact sacrificial practices
2626
02:25:32,462 --> 02:25:34,507
tied to the old gods.
2627
02:25:34,551 --> 02:25:36,335
And I think it was
very interesting
2628
02:25:36,379 --> 02:25:38,685
how that thing that actually
happened, the discoveries,
2629
02:25:38,729 --> 02:25:40,775
started affecting these movies.
2630
02:25:40,818 --> 02:25:43,560
[dramatic music]
2631
02:25:47,216 --> 02:25:49,044
Those movies, those old
movies, was the first time
2632
02:25:49,087 --> 02:25:51,698
that you would see
talking about the pyramids
2633
02:25:51,742 --> 02:25:54,440
and the old Mexico and all
the indigenous empires.
2634
02:25:54,484 --> 02:25:57,226
You would have a representation.
2635
02:25:57,269 --> 02:25:59,010
I found it super interesting
that there's always
2636
02:25:59,054 --> 02:26:02,405
like a cult of people
that still believe
2637
02:26:03,841 --> 02:26:05,364
in the old gods and
they're like embedded
2638
02:26:05,408 --> 02:26:07,714
within the society, and
even though they wear
2639
02:26:07,758 --> 02:26:09,238
a tie and suit, you know,
2640
02:26:09,281 --> 02:26:12,284
they have to do a
ritual at night.
2641
02:26:12,328 --> 02:26:15,026
There's a very important
movie made in '37
2642
02:26:15,070 --> 02:26:17,202
called "El Signo de la Muerte"
2643
02:26:17,246 --> 02:26:20,379
in which one of the
famous archeologists
who runs the museum
2644
02:26:20,423 --> 02:26:22,555
and is like the
leading scientist,
2645
02:26:22,599 --> 02:26:25,732
he's also leader
of a sect, a cult.
2646
02:26:25,776 --> 02:26:29,388
They're kidnapping women
for human sacrifices
2647
02:26:29,432 --> 02:26:32,304
and they're doing them
underneath the museum.
2648
02:26:32,348 --> 02:26:35,133
I think what's amazing
about all these beliefs
2649
02:26:35,177 --> 02:26:37,962
is that they've been
kept down for years,
2650
02:26:38,006 --> 02:26:39,442
they tried to erase them.
2651
02:26:39,485 --> 02:26:41,879
Like, the Mexican
conquest was dark shit.
2652
02:26:41,923 --> 02:26:43,750
Like, they killed everybody.
2653
02:26:43,794 --> 02:26:45,230
They burned everything.
2654
02:26:45,274 --> 02:26:47,493
They wanted to
erase the culture,
2655
02:26:47,537 --> 02:26:49,321
and it seemed like they did,
2656
02:26:49,365 --> 02:26:51,106
but it keeps coming back,
it keeps coming back.
2657
02:26:51,149 --> 02:26:52,150
It's like waves.
2658
02:26:52,194 --> 02:26:54,936
[ominous music]
2659
02:26:59,114 --> 02:27:01,899
[dramatic music]
2660
02:27:01,943 --> 02:27:04,510
[man grunting]
2661
02:27:10,125 --> 02:27:13,476
- [Mariano] You get
the weird fascination
2662
02:27:14,869 --> 02:27:17,610
that Catholics
have with paganism,
2663
02:27:17,654 --> 02:27:19,438
at the same time
as they refuse it,
2664
02:27:19,482 --> 02:27:21,614
at the same time that I
think there's a certain envy
2665
02:27:21,658 --> 02:27:24,356
of what they perceive
as being the freedom
2666
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:27,055
that pagan have with everything.
2667
02:27:28,578 --> 02:27:31,102
- There's another
film which I think
2668
02:27:31,146 --> 02:27:35,106
needs to be discussed in
light of the whole concept
2669
02:27:35,150 --> 02:27:38,631
of folk horror and that's
Brunello Rondi's 1963 film
2670
02:27:38,675 --> 02:27:42,287
"The Demon" about a
young woman in a village
2671
02:27:42,331 --> 02:27:45,290
who is thought to be a witch,
2672
02:27:45,334 --> 02:27:48,032
has embraced witchcraft,
and uses it to curse
2673
02:27:48,076 --> 02:27:49,991
the man who rejected her.
2674
02:27:50,034 --> 02:27:53,559
[man speaking in Italian]
2675
02:28:25,026 --> 02:28:29,247
- [Mikel] Rondi creates
this ethnographic background
2676
02:28:29,291 --> 02:28:32,511
for the central narrative
to play out in front of.
2677
02:28:32,555 --> 02:28:35,384
It's this Southern
Italian village
2678
02:28:36,994 --> 02:28:40,389
filled with superstition
and folk ritual.
2679
02:28:43,218 --> 02:28:45,002
- [Kier-La] You can
see in "Il Demonio"
2680
02:28:45,046 --> 02:28:47,962
how integrated Catholicism is
with the older superstitious
2681
02:28:48,005 --> 02:28:50,181
or pagan traditions, and
there's a strong sense
2682
02:28:50,225 --> 02:28:53,054
of natural worship
left over and adapted
2683
02:28:53,097 --> 02:28:55,926
into their brand
of Christianity.
2684
02:29:00,235 --> 02:29:02,367
[dramatic music]
2685
02:29:02,411 --> 02:29:04,630
- [Mikel] You could
almost see "The Demon"
2686
02:29:04,674 --> 02:29:08,808
as a kind of prequel to Fulci's
"Don't Torture a Duckling,"
2687
02:29:08,852 --> 02:29:12,247
specifically the
character of Maciara,
2688
02:29:12,290 --> 02:29:16,207
the witch, played by Florinda
Bolkan in Fulci's film,
2689
02:29:16,251 --> 02:29:20,559
how she is created as an
outsider to the village,
2690
02:29:20,603 --> 02:29:25,434
how she is put upon, how she
is tortured by the villagers.
2691
02:29:27,088 --> 02:29:29,133
They want her there
as a wise woman,
2692
02:29:29,177 --> 02:29:33,616
but they also despise her for
being outside of the norm.
2693
02:29:33,659 --> 02:29:36,662
[suspenseful music]
2694
02:29:40,971 --> 02:29:45,454
- That is very much a Southern
Italian folk character.
2695
02:29:49,284 --> 02:29:50,111
[Maciara spits]
2696
02:29:50,154 --> 02:29:52,809
[ominous music]
2697
02:29:52,852 --> 02:29:56,073
"Dark Waters" in some
ways was obviously born
2698
02:29:56,117 --> 02:29:58,162
from having grown up
2699
02:29:58,206 --> 02:30:01,470
with that version of
Catholic religion.
2700
02:30:03,341 --> 02:30:07,258
Then the element of
the Catholic religion
2701
02:30:07,302 --> 02:30:11,958
versus some older religion
in a way was a consequence
2702
02:30:12,002 --> 02:30:15,875
of the story mainly was
about you going back
2703
02:30:15,919 --> 02:30:18,095
to a place where you came from
2704
02:30:18,139 --> 02:30:20,880
and realizing that
where you came from
2705
02:30:20,924 --> 02:30:23,100
wasn't exactly what you thought.
2706
02:30:23,144 --> 02:30:27,974
And also having to face,
"Okay, where do I come from?"
2707
02:30:28,018 --> 02:30:31,282
[ominous music]
2708
02:30:31,326 --> 02:30:32,979
- [Narrator] Where
it could not destroy
2709
02:30:33,023 --> 02:30:35,808
the previous beliefs,
Christianity adopted
2710
02:30:35,852 --> 02:30:39,638
physically and spiritually
the temples and rights
2711
02:30:39,682 --> 02:30:41,597
of the older religions.
2712
02:30:42,859 --> 02:30:45,862
Churches built on pagan mounds.
2713
02:30:45,905 --> 02:30:49,126
One of the most extraordinary
of these converted stones
2714
02:30:49,170 --> 02:30:52,651
is this huge menia
which has been carved
2715
02:30:52,695 --> 02:30:55,480
apparently with
Christian symbols,
2716
02:30:55,524 --> 02:30:57,178
but only apparently.
2717
02:30:58,701 --> 02:31:02,574
Persecution made the
disguise necessary.
2718
02:31:02,618 --> 02:31:04,837
All symbols of witchcraft.
2719
02:31:04,881 --> 02:31:07,057
[suspenseful music]
2720
02:31:07,101 --> 02:31:08,885
- This particular spot is called
2721
02:31:08,928 --> 02:31:13,933
the Morenci Cross, which
originally was a stone marker
2722
02:31:15,718 --> 02:31:17,502
covered with pagan faces,
possibly representing
2723
02:31:17,546 --> 02:31:21,115
the sun god of the
Gauls, Belenus.
2724
02:31:21,158 --> 02:31:24,727
But in the 17th century, the
original stone was destroyed
2725
02:31:24,770 --> 02:31:28,034
and the stone cross here
now to the original rock
2726
02:31:28,078 --> 02:31:30,167
was put in its place
to Christianize
2727
02:31:30,211 --> 02:31:32,952
what was originally
a pagan site.
2728
02:31:34,824 --> 02:31:37,740
[mysterious music]
2729
02:31:40,264 --> 02:31:43,354
Russian paganism and
the Orthodox church
2730
02:31:43,398 --> 02:31:45,356
had found a kind
of accommodation
2731
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:48,185
where they could accept
each other's presence.
2732
02:31:48,229 --> 02:31:51,971
[mysterious music continues]
2733
02:31:53,408 --> 02:31:56,062
"Viy" is the old story
of somebody having
2734
02:31:56,106 --> 02:31:59,370
to spend some time
in a creepy place.
2735
02:31:59,414 --> 02:32:03,853
A woman dies and asks a
seminarian, a trainee priest,
2736
02:32:05,768 --> 02:32:09,467
to come and say prayers over
her body for three nights.
2737
02:32:09,511 --> 02:32:14,516
[singing in foreign language]
[bell ringing]
2738
02:32:16,257 --> 02:32:18,607
One of the things it's
about is about the clash
2739
02:32:18,650 --> 02:32:22,567
between the Catholic
Church and paganism,
2740
02:32:22,611 --> 02:32:26,005
and that was something
that had gone on
2741
02:32:26,049 --> 02:32:29,444
for quite a long time
in the Soviet Union.
2742
02:32:29,487 --> 02:32:31,097
[seminarian sneezes]
2743
02:32:31,141 --> 02:32:32,925
[suspenseful music]
2744
02:32:32,969 --> 02:32:36,929
It's also about the
depth of the hero's faith
2745
02:32:36,973 --> 02:32:41,369
and whether he has sufficient
faith to shun paganism.
2746
02:32:42,370 --> 02:32:45,373
[suspenseful music]
2747
02:32:49,028 --> 02:32:51,292
- There are a lot of
really interesting examples
2748
02:32:51,335 --> 02:32:53,816
of Eastern European
films that maybe someone
2749
02:32:53,859 --> 02:32:56,993
wouldn't directly
describe as horror,
2750
02:32:57,036 --> 02:32:59,125
[man screams]
2751
02:32:59,169 --> 02:33:02,607
but leave you with this
just feeling of knowing
2752
02:33:02,651 --> 02:33:04,653
that violence is inevitable.
2753
02:33:04,696 --> 02:33:07,699
[suspenseful music]
2754
02:33:09,484 --> 02:33:13,705
- [Alice] So you see in the
'60s and '70s a group of films
2755
02:33:13,749 --> 02:33:16,795
coming out that do fit the
definition of folk horror.
2756
02:33:16,839 --> 02:33:19,276
They have ritual elements,
they have the landscape,
2757
02:33:19,320 --> 02:33:23,280
they have communities, in
Czech and Slovak films.
2758
02:33:23,324 --> 02:33:26,544
So, you have things
like "Marketa Lazarova"
2759
02:33:26,588 --> 02:33:28,807
which is like not even
really a horror film,
2760
02:33:28,851 --> 02:33:31,723
but it's a drama with
horrific elements
2761
02:33:31,767 --> 02:33:36,467
set in medieval times in this
very grim, brutal landscape.
2762
02:33:36,511 --> 02:33:41,124
[dramatic singing
in foreign language]
2763
02:33:54,224 --> 02:33:57,662
- I think the most direct
parallel that comes to mind
2764
02:33:57,706 --> 02:33:59,708
for a lot of people is
something like "Witchhhammer"
2765
02:33:59,751 --> 02:34:02,928
from 1970, which is more or less
2766
02:34:02,972 --> 02:34:05,888
the Czech version of
"Witchfinder General"
2767
02:34:05,931 --> 02:34:09,065
in the sense that it's
a really angry film
2768
02:34:09,108 --> 02:34:10,849
and a really political film,
2769
02:34:10,893 --> 02:34:13,896
and it looks at this
idea of political power
2770
02:34:13,939 --> 02:34:17,769
as something that
inherently corrupts.
2771
02:34:17,813 --> 02:34:20,076
- [Alice] It's based on
the "Malleus Maleficarum"
2772
02:34:20,119 --> 02:34:22,034
and witch hunting.
2773
02:34:22,078 --> 02:34:25,211
It's like another medieval
drama with lots of aspects
2774
02:34:25,255 --> 02:34:29,346
of folk horror that you see
in "Witchfinder General."
2775
02:34:29,390 --> 02:34:32,480
[soft ominous music]
2776
02:34:34,133 --> 02:34:35,961
- [Kier-La] And
essentially it's depicting
2777
02:34:36,005 --> 02:34:38,224
how the survival of folk
customs was such a threat
2778
02:34:38,268 --> 02:34:41,315
to the dominant religion, and
they were seen as, you know,
2779
02:34:41,358 --> 02:34:43,360
holding people back
from cultural progress,
2780
02:34:43,404 --> 02:34:46,320
and in many places,
obliterated to the point
2781
02:34:46,363 --> 02:34:49,453
where it then created this
whole field of ethnography,
2782
02:34:49,497 --> 02:34:52,064
people, then trying
to track and document
2783
02:34:52,108 --> 02:34:55,285
what little of these
beliefs remained.
2784
02:34:56,417 --> 02:34:57,896
[bell rings]
2785
02:34:57,940 --> 02:35:02,510
[woman and man speaking
in foreign language]
2786
02:35:20,789 --> 02:35:22,617
- [John] The "Savage
Hunt of King Stakh"
2787
02:35:22,660 --> 02:35:25,750
is about an ethnographer
who goes to Belarus.
2788
02:35:25,794 --> 02:35:28,623
He stays in a big creepy castle.
2789
02:35:28,666 --> 02:35:32,017
The hostess is obviously
disturbed about something,
2790
02:35:32,061 --> 02:35:35,934
but you don't really
know quite what.
2791
02:35:35,978 --> 02:35:40,635
He then goes into the forest
to look at ancient rituals.
2792
02:35:42,854 --> 02:35:47,337
Clearly the story is aimed at
saying that science and myth,
2793
02:35:47,381 --> 02:35:51,036
science and legend are
two separate worlds,
2794
02:35:51,080 --> 02:35:54,213
and that science will
never really understand
2795
02:35:54,257 --> 02:35:58,696
myth or legend, and in a
sense, it shouldn't even try.
2796
02:36:00,176 --> 02:36:02,874
[dramatic music]
2797
02:36:03,745 --> 02:36:05,964
[woman screams]
2798
02:36:06,008 --> 02:36:07,444
[suspenseful music]
2799
02:36:07,488 --> 02:36:09,141
- [Alice] If you look
at Japanese horror film,
2800
02:36:09,185 --> 02:36:10,969
Japanese horror has
always been intertwined
2801
02:36:11,013 --> 02:36:12,493
with folk customs.
2802
02:36:14,277 --> 02:36:16,497
- [John] Japan began this
modernization process,
2803
02:36:16,540 --> 02:36:19,500
you know, in 1868 you had the
beginning of the Meiji period,
2804
02:36:19,543 --> 02:36:22,459
and Meiji means
literally enlightenment.
2805
02:36:22,503 --> 02:36:25,636
The sort of drive was all
about sort of modernization,
2806
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:29,379
urbanization, development
of academic structures,
2807
02:36:29,423 --> 02:36:32,556
and really about drawing
a line between the past.
2808
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:35,341
There was a
anthropologist, ethnologist
2809
02:36:35,385 --> 02:36:39,171
called Kunio Yanagita who
pioneered this sort of field
2810
02:36:39,215 --> 02:36:41,478
of folk studies in Japan.
2811
02:36:41,522 --> 02:36:44,438
And he used to go around to
all these sort of ancient,
2812
02:36:44,481 --> 02:36:46,483
these tiny village communities
2813
02:36:46,527 --> 02:36:48,746
and record their sort
of folklore beliefs.
2814
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:51,488
Sort of in the way, I guess
someone like Cecil Sharp
2815
02:36:51,532 --> 02:36:55,840
went round and recorded
all sort of Morris dancing.
2816
02:36:55,884 --> 02:36:58,887
These traditions
from a pre-modern era
2817
02:36:58,930 --> 02:37:00,454
which were disappearing
2818
02:37:00,497 --> 02:37:01,455
and he was sort
of codifying that.
2819
02:37:01,498 --> 02:37:03,500
[mysterious music]
2820
02:37:03,544 --> 02:37:07,025
And part of this was these
phenomenon called yokai,
2821
02:37:07,069 --> 02:37:09,593
literally means a
spirit or a goblin,
2822
02:37:09,637 --> 02:37:12,074
or just basically any sort
of supernatural being.
2823
02:37:12,117 --> 02:37:15,730
[man speaking in Japanese]
2824
02:37:25,914 --> 02:37:27,568
[ominous music]
2825
02:37:27,611 --> 02:37:30,919
- [John] Norio Tsuruta directed
a film called "Kakashi"
2826
02:37:30,962 --> 02:37:32,790
which was based on the manga
2827
02:37:32,834 --> 02:37:35,880
by a sort of famous horror
manga writer, Junji Ito,
2828
02:37:35,924 --> 02:37:38,579
and this again was
a girl going back
2829
02:37:38,622 --> 02:37:42,713
to her sort of rural
background and small village
2830
02:37:42,757 --> 02:37:45,324
where they communicate with
the sort of dead spirits
2831
02:37:45,368 --> 02:37:49,459
by burning these sort of
a scarecrow-like effigies
2832
02:37:49,503 --> 02:37:53,332
which naturally enough
all come to life.
2833
02:37:53,376 --> 02:37:56,640
When you're talking about
a country like Japan,
2834
02:37:56,684 --> 02:37:59,513
their cinema, obviously this
is not a Christian country,
2835
02:37:59,556 --> 02:38:01,906
so when we're talking
about pre-modern
2836
02:38:01,950 --> 02:38:05,127
sort of the ghosts of the
past manifesting themselves
2837
02:38:05,170 --> 02:38:08,347
in landscape, the sort of
nativist indigenous religion
2838
02:38:08,391 --> 02:38:11,089
is Shintoism, which
says that, you know,
2839
02:38:11,133 --> 02:38:14,136
their spirits and gods
reside in everything,
2840
02:38:14,179 --> 02:38:18,270
in trees, in the wind, in
the patterns in the clouds,
2841
02:38:18,314 --> 02:38:21,012
in absolutely everything.
2842
02:38:21,056 --> 02:38:22,797
More about flows of energy
and how you're very much
2843
02:38:22,840 --> 02:38:24,581
part of this huge system.
2844
02:38:24,625 --> 02:38:27,323
[ominous music]
2845
02:38:36,898 --> 02:38:38,552
So I think if there's
any sort of folk horror
2846
02:38:38,595 --> 02:38:41,337
in a Japanese context,
it's more about people
2847
02:38:41,380 --> 02:38:44,993
being sort of off-kilter
with these spirits
2848
02:38:45,036 --> 02:38:48,997
or with the sort of
spirits of their ancestors.
2849
02:38:50,912 --> 02:38:53,479
- A lot of people to believe
that besides regular spirits
2850
02:38:53,523 --> 02:38:56,221
and besides our soul, there
are spirits dwelling in nature.
2851
02:38:56,265 --> 02:38:58,528
And this is actually very
similar to indigenous,
2852
02:38:58,572 --> 02:39:01,575
for instance, indigenous New
Zealand and Australian beliefs
2853
02:39:01,618 --> 02:39:03,185
and indigenous American beliefs,
2854
02:39:03,228 --> 02:39:04,708
where there are
already nature spirits
2855
02:39:04,752 --> 02:39:06,231
residing in the
land and the trees
2856
02:39:06,275 --> 02:39:08,538
that we may not know about.
2857
02:39:11,193 --> 02:39:14,500
- [Man] Desert wind, [speaking
in foreign language],
2858
02:39:14,544 --> 02:39:17,547
was a man like us
until a mischance.
2859
02:39:20,594 --> 02:39:23,553
He grew wings and
flew like a bird.
2860
02:39:30,691 --> 02:39:33,258
[gentle music]
2861
02:39:43,878 --> 02:39:45,662
- [Kier-La] You tend to
see direct adaptation
2862
02:39:45,706 --> 02:39:49,100
of folk legends and folktales
more readily in cultures
2863
02:39:49,144 --> 02:39:51,363
other than Anglicized cultures
2864
02:39:51,407 --> 02:39:53,539
whose brand of folk
horror has much more to do
2865
02:39:53,583 --> 02:39:56,412
with fears of the
folk themselves.
2866
02:39:57,892 --> 02:40:00,634
- It seems to me that
the greatest differences
2867
02:40:00,677 --> 02:40:03,898
in the distinction
between us and them.
2868
02:40:05,595 --> 02:40:10,034
I think in Western folk horror,
what you find most often
2869
02:40:10,078 --> 02:40:13,603
is the situation in
which a regular person
2870
02:40:14,648 --> 02:40:17,215
comes across a cult or a village
2871
02:40:17,259 --> 02:40:20,131
or some isolated
place or community
2872
02:40:21,611 --> 02:40:24,396
where those old beliefs
are still prevalent.
2873
02:40:24,440 --> 02:40:28,749
And then there is this
contrast and this struggle
2874
02:40:28,792 --> 02:40:31,882
between the value systems
that they represent,
2875
02:40:31,926 --> 02:40:33,667
so there is a clash.
2876
02:40:33,710 --> 02:40:36,104
Whereas in Slavic
horror, it seems to me
2877
02:40:36,147 --> 02:40:39,934
that this distinction
between alleged normality
2878
02:40:39,977 --> 02:40:43,459
and alleged strangeness
is not so strong.
2879
02:40:45,504 --> 02:40:50,161
They start from the position
that in Western folk horror
2880
02:40:51,293 --> 02:40:53,164
someone has to arrive to.
2881
02:40:53,208 --> 02:40:55,340
So someone is already there.
2882
02:40:55,384 --> 02:40:58,692
Someone already lives in that
village in this surrounding.
2883
02:40:58,735 --> 02:41:02,260
Someone is already immersed
in this value system,
2884
02:41:02,304 --> 02:41:06,700
and whatever happens in this
plot arises from within.
2885
02:41:08,484 --> 02:41:10,529
- [Kier-La] So in
Scandinavia, Eastern Europe,
2886
02:41:10,573 --> 02:41:13,750
Russia, Asia, you're much
more likely to see stories
2887
02:41:13,794 --> 02:41:15,447
derived from fairytales or films
2888
02:41:15,491 --> 02:41:18,233
full of magic and
shape-shifting.
2889
02:41:19,669 --> 02:41:21,453
- [Expert Interviewee]
There's an amazing
2890
02:41:21,497 --> 02:41:24,456
Icelandic made for TV folk
horror film called "Tilbury,"
2891
02:41:24,500 --> 02:41:26,937
which is based on a
folkloric monster.
2892
02:41:26,981 --> 02:41:31,202
[man speaking in
foreign language]
2893
02:41:54,835 --> 02:41:55,966
- [Expert Interviewee] And
it's interesting coming
2894
02:41:56,010 --> 02:41:57,533
from a colonial perspective
2895
02:41:57,576 --> 02:42:01,493
how that story plays out
with an Icelandic man
2896
02:42:01,537 --> 02:42:04,018
who's worried that his
girlfriend has fallen in love
2897
02:42:04,061 --> 02:42:07,543
with a British man and
imagines that he is turned
2898
02:42:07,586 --> 02:42:09,893
into this sort of
monstrous Tilbury figure.
2899
02:42:09,937 --> 02:42:12,940
[suspenseful music]
2900
02:42:17,205 --> 02:42:19,033
- [Kier-La] Nietzchka
Keene's "The Juniper Tree"
2901
02:42:19,076 --> 02:42:21,992
is another Icelandic film
based on a German folktale
2902
02:42:22,036 --> 02:42:24,734
that takes the familiar story
of the wicked stepmother
2903
02:42:24,778 --> 02:42:26,823
and places it against a backdrop
2904
02:42:26,867 --> 02:42:29,565
of vaguely medieval witch hunts.
2905
02:42:30,827 --> 02:42:34,004
- It's much more
a fairytale film
2906
02:42:34,048 --> 02:42:36,746
than I think a folk horror film.
2907
02:42:38,313 --> 02:42:42,230
It becomes folk horror
when Keene plays closely
2908
02:42:44,275 --> 02:42:48,802
to the original Grimm tale
in its Grimm qualities,
2909
02:42:48,845 --> 02:42:51,413
the murder of the
son, the cannibalism,
2910
02:42:51,456 --> 02:42:54,372
and in the transformations
into the bird.
2911
02:42:54,416 --> 02:42:57,419
[Margit vocalizing]
2912
02:43:02,119 --> 02:43:06,558
- [Margit] Once there was a
boy whose mother was a bird.
2913
02:43:06,602 --> 02:43:08,299
She loved him very much,
2914
02:43:08,343 --> 02:43:10,911
but she could not
stay among people,
2915
02:43:10,954 --> 02:43:15,132
and one day she returned
to the land of the birds.
2916
02:43:16,612 --> 02:43:19,745
The boy's father grew
used to her being gone,
2917
02:43:19,789 --> 02:43:22,748
but her little son wept so much
2918
02:43:22,792 --> 02:43:25,882
that finally she heard
them from far away
2919
02:43:25,926 --> 02:43:28,276
and flew back to comfort him.
2920
02:43:29,712 --> 02:43:31,801
"I will take you
with me," she said,
2921
02:43:31,845 --> 02:43:34,108
"And teach you what I know,
2922
02:43:34,151 --> 02:43:36,893
but you cannot stay
among the birds
2923
02:43:36,937 --> 02:43:41,289
and must return to take
care of your father."
2924
02:43:41,332 --> 02:43:44,770
And when the boy came back
from the land of the birds,
2925
02:43:44,814 --> 02:43:47,469
his father did not know him.
2926
02:43:47,512 --> 02:43:50,864
His skin had changed
and become feathers
2927
02:43:50,907 --> 02:43:54,345
and his fingers had
turned into wings
2928
02:43:54,389 --> 02:43:57,044
and he knew what the birds know.
2929
02:43:58,480 --> 02:44:01,483
[suspenseful music]
2930
02:44:08,664 --> 02:44:12,189
- [John R.] Alexei
Konstantinovich
Tolstoy wrote a series
2931
02:44:12,233 --> 02:44:16,280
of vampire novels, "The
Family of the Vourdalak."
2932
02:44:16,324 --> 02:44:18,935
Vourdalak was a name, a
word that had been coined
2933
02:44:18,979 --> 02:44:21,024
by Pushkin in the 19th century.
2934
02:44:21,068 --> 02:44:23,592
[eerie music]
2935
02:44:27,204 --> 02:44:30,468
[woman cries out]
2936
02:44:30,512 --> 02:44:33,210
- Volkodlak, that's
the existing word,
2937
02:44:33,254 --> 02:44:38,215
and volkodlak is essentially
a synonym for vampire.
2938
02:44:38,259 --> 02:44:40,870
It is a man who after his death
2939
02:44:42,350 --> 02:44:46,310
comes back as a revenant
and assaults his family,
2940
02:44:46,354 --> 02:44:49,879
his friends, his villagers,
and among other things,
2941
02:44:49,923 --> 02:44:51,489
he can turn into a wolf.
2942
02:44:51,533 --> 02:44:53,361
He can appear in human form.
2943
02:44:53,404 --> 02:44:56,407
He can appear as a huge blob.
2944
02:44:56,451 --> 02:44:58,148
- [Kier-La] I think ironically,
2945
02:44:58,192 --> 02:45:01,151
most Westerners know
wurdulacs from Italian movies,
2946
02:45:01,195 --> 02:45:02,892
from Mario Bava's
"Black Sabbath,"
2947
02:45:02,936 --> 02:45:05,416
and from "Night of the Devils."
2948
02:45:05,460 --> 02:45:09,507
- But vampires and the undead
had already had a big part
2949
02:45:09,551 --> 02:45:14,295
to play in Russian-Slavic
pagan history and folk history.
2950
02:45:16,253 --> 02:45:20,562
[men speaking in
foreign language]
2951
02:45:29,440 --> 02:45:32,008
- "Leptirica" based on a
story by Milovan Glisic
2952
02:45:32,052 --> 02:45:36,186
from 1883, which means
14 years before Dracula.
2953
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:40,582
Although its plot, its story
is based on a folk belief,
2954
02:45:40,625 --> 02:45:43,106
on a alleged real vampire
2955
02:45:43,150 --> 02:45:46,544
from the western part of
Serbia, Sava Savanovic.
2956
02:45:46,588 --> 02:45:50,200
When Dorde Kadijevic
decided to adapt this story,
2957
02:45:50,244 --> 02:45:53,421
his world view is much
darker and he actually added
2958
02:45:53,464 --> 02:45:56,250
the bride transforms
into a vampire
2959
02:45:56,293 --> 02:45:58,992
and rides the groom
until his death.
2960
02:45:59,035 --> 02:46:01,777
[couple panting]
2961
02:46:03,257 --> 02:46:06,956
This notion of riding
a man like a mare,
2962
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:10,438
it is a very powerful
image which obviously
2963
02:46:10,481 --> 02:46:12,962
was striking for
Kadijevic precisely
2964
02:46:13,006 --> 02:46:16,139
because it merges
eroticism and death.
2965
02:46:18,489 --> 02:46:21,014
- [Kier-La] Shape-shifting
is a recurrent motif
2966
02:46:21,057 --> 02:46:24,278
in these films, which
in addition to things
like "Leptirica"
2967
02:46:24,321 --> 02:46:26,149
we see in films like "She-Wolf,"
2968
02:46:26,193 --> 02:46:29,457
which is probably the most
famous Polish werewolf film.
2969
02:46:29,500 --> 02:46:31,589
And particularly in
the case of a woman,
2970
02:46:31,633 --> 02:46:33,069
the shape-shifting
often signifies
2971
02:46:33,113 --> 02:46:36,116
like a liberating kind
of transformation.
2972
02:46:36,159 --> 02:46:38,857
[ominous music]
2973
02:46:40,555 --> 02:46:42,426
It's also something
central to Asian folktales
2974
02:46:42,470 --> 02:46:44,863
and folk horror films
that we see in things
2975
02:46:44,907 --> 02:46:47,605
like the ghost cat movies of
which there were over a dozen
2976
02:46:47,649 --> 02:46:50,608
of these films up to the '60s.
2977
02:46:50,652 --> 02:46:54,090
By the 14th century, it was
a common belief in Japan
2978
02:46:54,134 --> 02:46:56,353
that cats, especially
older female cats,
2979
02:46:56,397 --> 02:46:59,835
could turn into demons or
goblins and also shapeshift
2980
02:46:59,878 --> 02:47:03,143
into humans in order
to bewitch people.
2981
02:47:03,186 --> 02:47:04,970
And importantly, they
would eat the people
2982
02:47:05,014 --> 02:47:07,277
whose shapes they had adopted.
2983
02:47:07,321 --> 02:47:10,628
[somber music]
[woman crying]
2984
02:47:10,672 --> 02:47:14,371
[woman speaking in Japanese]
2985
02:47:27,776 --> 02:47:30,518
[dramatic music]
2986
02:47:33,347 --> 02:47:36,176
[cat meows]
2987
02:47:36,219 --> 02:47:38,874
[woman grunts]
2988
02:47:43,270 --> 02:47:45,141
- [John R.] And a
lot of these spirits,
2989
02:47:45,185 --> 02:47:48,101
their revenge certainly in the
films is a form of vampirism.
2990
02:47:48,144 --> 02:47:49,667
They're sucking blood and so on.
2991
02:47:49,711 --> 02:47:54,629
[suspenseful music]
[singer vocalizing]
2992
02:48:05,466 --> 02:48:08,338
- A kind of ethnographic vision,
2993
02:48:08,382 --> 02:48:11,472
if I can use that
term, is also there
2994
02:48:12,951 --> 02:48:16,607
in the 1953 Finnish film
"The White Reindeer."
2995
02:48:18,131 --> 02:48:22,178
And while we have this
story of a young woman
2996
02:48:22,222 --> 02:48:27,096
who is transformed into a kind
of vampiric white reindeer,
2997
02:48:28,924 --> 02:48:32,667
what the film really focuses
on are the folk traditions,
2998
02:48:34,408 --> 02:48:37,454
the folk beliefs, the
folk culture of the Saami
2999
02:48:38,760 --> 02:48:41,545
in Northern Lapland in Finland.
3000
02:48:41,589 --> 02:48:44,287
The story and the belief
about the young woman
3001
02:48:44,331 --> 02:48:48,248
who can exist as both a
human and as an animal,
3002
02:48:49,336 --> 02:48:51,381
the kind of shapeshifter figure,
3003
02:48:51,425 --> 02:48:54,776
is still very much part
of the Saami folk belief.
3004
02:48:54,819 --> 02:48:57,822
[suspenseful music]
3005
02:49:03,263 --> 02:49:05,178
- [Kier-La] And this
idea of a man hunting
3006
02:49:05,221 --> 02:49:08,006
or somehow pitted against
a creature only to realize
3007
02:49:08,050 --> 02:49:09,573
it's actually his own wife,
3008
02:49:09,617 --> 02:49:11,836
it's kind of a
common story type,
3009
02:49:11,880 --> 02:49:14,187
most famously something like
3010
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:17,277
the lady of the snow
segment of "Kwaidan."
3011
02:49:17,320 --> 02:49:20,280
[mysterious music]
3012
02:49:28,201 --> 02:49:30,420
- [Pete] The themes of
Asian horror are probably
3013
02:49:30,464 --> 02:49:34,032
the same themes as you get
in Western horror, revenge,
3014
02:49:34,076 --> 02:49:36,209
things to do with
childbirth, for example.
3015
02:49:36,252 --> 02:49:40,691
A lot in Indonesia,
Philippines, Malaysia and so on,
3016
02:49:40,735 --> 02:49:42,693
a lot of the ghosts,
the female ghosts,
3017
02:49:42,737 --> 02:49:45,174
are women who died
in childbirth.
3018
02:49:45,218 --> 02:49:46,784
And in some cases,
women who gave birth
3019
02:49:46,828 --> 02:49:48,264
after they'd been buried.
3020
02:49:48,308 --> 02:49:50,440
[woman gasps]
3021
02:49:50,484 --> 02:49:54,879
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
3022
02:50:11,679 --> 02:50:14,247
[woman crying]
3023
02:50:20,340 --> 02:50:24,779
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
3024
02:50:34,049 --> 02:50:37,095
[thunder rumbles]
3025
02:50:37,139 --> 02:50:39,750
- One of the very big
hits for Thai cinema
3026
02:50:39,794 --> 02:50:43,580
was a film released in 1999,
which is called "Nang Nak."
3027
02:50:43,624 --> 02:50:46,279
The story is about a young
couple who get married
3028
02:50:46,322 --> 02:50:50,326
and the guy is called
away to fight in the war.
3029
02:50:50,370 --> 02:50:53,242
When he comes back, everything
has sort of slightly changed.
3030
02:50:53,286 --> 02:50:57,333
His wife is there and
he's got a young child,
3031
02:50:57,377 --> 02:51:01,250
but she never lets him have
very much to do with the child.
3032
02:51:01,294 --> 02:51:03,121
And also he finds that
all of his friends,
3033
02:51:03,165 --> 02:51:04,906
the ones that survive, don't
really wanna have too much
3034
02:51:04,949 --> 02:51:06,516
to do with him.
3035
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:08,692
And eventually one
of them tells him,
3036
02:51:08,736 --> 02:51:10,215
"You're living with a ghost."
3037
02:51:10,259 --> 02:51:11,782
And he says, "What are
you talking about?"
3038
02:51:11,826 --> 02:51:14,219
He says, "Your wife
died in childbirth.
3039
02:51:14,263 --> 02:51:16,570
She's been dead for a year."
3040
02:51:18,398 --> 02:51:21,052
The ghosts and the spirits
you get in Asian films,
3041
02:51:21,096 --> 02:51:22,532
they're hungry for blood,
3042
02:51:22,576 --> 02:51:24,882
but particularly they're
hungry for revenge.
3043
02:51:24,926 --> 02:51:28,277
So a lot of these scary
spirits and monsters,
3044
02:51:28,321 --> 02:51:30,105
I suppose we would call them,
3045
02:51:30,148 --> 02:51:32,716
that you see in Asian films are
women that have been wronged
3046
02:51:32,760 --> 02:51:34,457
that are looking to
right that wrong.
3047
02:51:34,501 --> 02:51:36,546
And in a sense,
they're gonna continue
3048
02:51:36,590 --> 02:51:38,722
looking to right that
wrong more or less forever.
3049
02:51:38,766 --> 02:51:40,898
They never actually seem
to find that closure.
3050
02:51:40,942 --> 02:51:43,510
[somber music]
3051
02:51:45,381 --> 02:51:47,252
- [Kier-La] So
like all folktales,
3052
02:51:47,296 --> 02:51:49,385
these stories tend
to evolve and mutate
3053
02:51:49,429 --> 02:51:52,257
to reflect the beliefs
and fears and anxieties
3054
02:51:52,301 --> 02:51:54,390
of the place in time they're in,
3055
02:51:54,434 --> 02:51:57,175
and all folk horror, whether
it's about a pagan village
3056
02:51:57,219 --> 02:52:00,657
being confronted with the
changes wrought by modernization
3057
02:52:00,701 --> 02:52:04,269
or the physical transformation
of a person into a she-wolf
3058
02:52:04,313 --> 02:52:08,099
or a white reindeer, this
idea of change and how scary
3059
02:52:08,143 --> 02:52:12,582
change can be is central
to a lot of the stories.
3060
02:52:12,626 --> 02:52:15,803
And so a lot of time, these
traditions that we hang on to
3061
02:52:15,846 --> 02:52:19,197
by observing these folktales
are ironically stories
3062
02:52:19,241 --> 02:52:21,199
that help us adapt to change.
3063
02:52:21,243 --> 02:52:23,985
[dramatic music]
3064
02:52:26,553 --> 02:52:30,992
[woman speaking in
foreign language]
3065
02:52:42,177 --> 02:52:45,180
[suspenseful music]
3066
02:52:51,186 --> 02:52:53,971
- I love our stories. I
love how unique they are.
3067
02:52:54,015 --> 02:52:55,843
And I think people need
to see our interesting
3068
02:52:55,886 --> 02:52:58,672
and different stories
and hear our voices,
3069
02:52:58,715 --> 02:53:01,239
and also see how
similar they are.
3070
02:53:01,283 --> 02:53:02,850
But I think that the
future for folk horror
3071
02:53:02,893 --> 02:53:04,982
is not about any one country.
3072
02:53:05,026 --> 02:53:06,506
I think the future
for folk horror
3073
02:53:06,549 --> 02:53:10,031
is about seeing how
diverse it can be
3074
02:53:10,074 --> 02:53:13,034
and seeing how it's
more than just this set
3075
02:53:13,077 --> 02:53:16,254
of British films that
people think is folk horror,
3076
02:53:16,298 --> 02:53:20,955
that there's so much more to
folk horror than just that.
3077
02:53:23,218 --> 02:53:26,613
[soft suspenseful music]
3078
02:53:32,053 --> 02:53:35,535
[crickets chirping]
3079
02:53:35,578 --> 02:53:37,232
- [Narrator] Where the
wave of moonlight glosses
3080
02:53:37,275 --> 02:53:39,887
the dim gray sands with light,
3081
02:53:39,930 --> 02:53:44,457
far off by furthest rosses
we foot it all the night.
3082
02:53:44,500 --> 02:53:48,852
Weaving olden dances, mingling
hands and mingling glances
3083
02:53:48,896 --> 02:53:51,420
till the moon has taken flight.
3084
02:53:53,248 --> 02:53:56,860
To and fro we leap and
chase the frothy bubbles
3085
02:53:56,904 --> 02:53:58,906
while the world is
full of troubles
3086
02:53:58,949 --> 02:54:01,082
and anxious in its sleep.
3087
02:54:02,910 --> 02:54:06,391
Come away, oh, human child
to the waters of the wild
3088
02:54:06,435 --> 02:54:08,568
with a fairy hand in hand.
3089
02:54:09,960 --> 02:54:11,614
For the world's
more full of weeping
3090
02:54:11,658 --> 02:54:13,660
than you can understand.
3091
02:54:15,009 --> 02:54:18,099
[soft ominous music]
3092
02:54:28,022 --> 02:54:30,764
[engine rumbles]
3093
02:54:33,941 --> 02:54:37,945
[wooden instruments clattering]
3094
02:54:39,686 --> 02:54:42,079
- In March 2011, a film
called "Wake Wood" came out,
3095
02:54:42,123 --> 02:54:43,907
and I think it was the
"News of the World"
3096
02:54:43,951 --> 02:54:48,129
that referred to it as a
great example of folk horror.
3097
02:54:48,172 --> 02:54:50,827
[ominous music]
3098
02:54:52,220 --> 02:54:53,177
And I remember noticing
that and thinking,
3099
02:54:53,221 --> 02:54:54,614
oh, there's that phrase.
3100
02:54:54,657 --> 02:54:56,267
That's interesting.
3101
02:54:56,311 --> 02:55:00,010
And then I wasn't quite
prepared for the degree
3102
02:55:00,054 --> 02:55:03,927
to which that phrase suddenly
became very prevalent indeed.
3103
02:55:03,971 --> 02:55:07,061
[soft ominous music]
3104
02:55:09,019 --> 02:55:11,631
[bell ringing]
3105
02:55:22,555 --> 02:55:25,209
[woman gasping]
3106
02:55:29,823 --> 02:55:31,476
- One of the big
mistakes I think I made
3107
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:33,478
and is still continually
being made about it
3108
02:55:33,522 --> 02:55:36,960
is that it is and
functions like a genre.
3109
02:55:37,004 --> 02:55:40,660
So I think the best way
to see it is as a mode
3110
02:55:40,703 --> 02:55:45,403
in the sort of musical
sense where there is a set
3111
02:55:45,447 --> 02:55:47,797
of key notes, but they're
providing a different context
3112
02:55:47,841 --> 02:55:49,669
'cause they're played
in different order.
3113
02:55:49,712 --> 02:55:52,628
And so folk horror works like
this along with other modes,
3114
02:55:52,672 --> 02:55:55,022
things like psychogeography,
3115
02:55:56,632 --> 02:55:59,679
ontology, urban
weird, English eerie,
3116
02:56:01,202 --> 02:56:02,333
all of these sort
of different modes
3117
02:56:02,377 --> 02:56:04,074
that are sort of interlinked,
3118
02:56:04,118 --> 02:56:05,989
but they don't quite function
as one cohesive genre.
3119
02:56:06,033 --> 02:56:09,036
They're all more interrelated
in more complex ways.
3120
02:56:09,079 --> 02:56:12,039
[soft tense music]
3121
02:56:18,393 --> 02:56:21,875
- When we go through
a celebrator phase
3122
02:56:21,918 --> 02:56:23,877
as we did in the 1990s,
3123
02:56:27,576 --> 02:56:29,665
as we did in the 1960s,
3124
02:56:29,709 --> 02:56:33,190
there's that sense that
history is resolved.
3125
02:56:33,234 --> 02:56:35,932
In the 1990s Francis
Fukuyama wrote this book,
3126
02:56:35,976 --> 02:56:38,587
"The End of History," talking
about how liberal democracy
3127
02:56:38,631 --> 02:56:43,461
was the ultimate, ultimate
result of Western civilization.
3128
02:56:47,117 --> 02:56:51,078
And then September the
11th, 2001 happened
3129
02:56:51,121 --> 02:56:52,906
and we discovered
that liberal democracy
3130
02:56:52,949 --> 02:56:55,735
was not the ultimate result
of Western civilization
3131
02:56:55,778 --> 02:56:57,867
and we entered a
period of doubts.
3132
02:56:57,911 --> 02:57:00,914
[soft ominous music]
3133
02:57:06,920 --> 02:57:09,618
And this brings
us to hauntology.
3134
02:57:09,662 --> 02:57:13,100
[eerie voice chattering]
3135
02:57:15,755 --> 02:57:17,931
Jacques Derrida
described hauntology
3136
02:57:17,974 --> 02:57:21,935
as an unresolved
past that comes back.
3137
02:57:21,978 --> 02:57:24,328
- [Eerie Voice] If
I cannot have it...
3138
02:57:24,372 --> 02:57:28,115
- [Howard] The ghost is the
idea of an unresolved past.
3139
02:57:28,158 --> 02:57:33,163
- Heading towards mic three.
[static screeching]
3140
02:57:35,339 --> 02:57:38,603
- Hauntology and folk
horror are both forms
3141
02:57:38,647 --> 02:57:43,086
of kind of cultural nostalgia
for a mode of storytelling
3142
02:57:43,130 --> 02:57:45,132
that kind of doesn't
really exist anymore,
3143
02:57:45,175 --> 02:57:47,090
and perhaps never
existed at all.
3144
02:57:47,134 --> 02:57:50,267
Perhaps both of these
things are ideas
3145
02:57:50,311 --> 02:57:55,098
that we 30, 40 years later
are projecting onto the past.
3146
02:57:55,142 --> 02:57:57,710
[gentle music]
3147
02:58:26,390 --> 02:58:28,044
- One of the reasons
that folk horror
3148
02:58:28,088 --> 02:58:30,699
has so much resonance
to me is that
3149
02:58:30,743 --> 02:58:33,484
theater itself is ritual.
3150
02:58:33,528 --> 02:58:36,574
[soft ominous music]
3151
02:58:39,534 --> 02:58:43,581
So theater is a very
ancient form of storytelling
3152
02:58:43,625 --> 02:58:47,716
that probably evolved
from rituals themselves.
3153
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:51,676
So, it evolved from the
religious or spiritual rituals
3154
02:58:51,720 --> 02:58:54,244
that were important
to early cultures.
3155
02:58:54,288 --> 02:58:56,377
In the horror genre,
that sense of ritual
3156
02:58:56,420 --> 02:58:58,814
is still very much alive.
3157
02:58:58,858 --> 02:59:01,556
[ominous music]
3158
02:59:16,571 --> 02:59:18,747
- [Woman] It makes me weep
3159
02:59:19,835 --> 02:59:21,532
for what she gave for the world
3160
02:59:21,576 --> 02:59:24,057
with no expression on her face.
3161
02:59:24,100 --> 02:59:27,060
- If you look at all
around the world,
3162
02:59:27,103 --> 02:59:30,585
urban centers are
basically the producers
3163
02:59:32,413 --> 02:59:35,982
and recreators of such
ideas and ideologies
3164
02:59:37,853 --> 02:59:40,247
in terms of this is where
the financial centers are,
3165
02:59:40,290 --> 02:59:41,770
this is where the
media bases are,
3166
02:59:41,814 --> 02:59:45,208
the cultural industries,
academic industries,
3167
02:59:45,252 --> 02:59:49,560
basically the whole global
culture is an urban culture.
3168
02:59:49,604 --> 02:59:52,302
So really, what goes
on in the countryside
3169
02:59:52,346 --> 02:59:56,611
is sort of automatically
shrouded in darkness.
3170
02:59:56,654 --> 02:59:58,482
It's hidden from view.
3171
02:59:59,657 --> 03:00:02,660
[suspenseful music]
3172
03:00:20,113 --> 03:00:23,943
So I think maybe that's
why there's a resurgence
3173
03:00:23,986 --> 03:00:25,901
in folk horror at the moment.
3174
03:00:25,945 --> 03:00:30,123
We're so busy living in the
moment that we've forgotten
3175
03:00:30,166 --> 03:00:33,256
really our connection
with our own landscapes
3176
03:00:33,300 --> 03:00:36,956
and where we fit into
our wider environment.
3177
03:00:38,305 --> 03:00:41,308
[suspenseful music]
3178
03:00:50,970 --> 03:00:55,975
[dramatic music]
[man gasping]
3179
03:01:03,330 --> 03:01:05,985
[ominous music]
3180
03:01:18,345 --> 03:01:20,477
- I made this short
film "Solitudo"
3181
03:01:20,521 --> 03:01:23,611
and it was set in
the medieval period.
3182
03:01:27,745 --> 03:01:30,183
And I think one of the reasons
that I became interested
3183
03:01:30,226 --> 03:01:33,664
in that particular era was
the idea that if, you know,
3184
03:01:33,708 --> 03:01:35,666
you lived in the 12th century,
3185
03:01:35,710 --> 03:01:38,191
how would you know
what was reality?
3186
03:01:38,234 --> 03:01:41,585
You can't check your phone,
you're not getting rolling news.
3187
03:01:41,629 --> 03:01:43,892
What's your guidance,
what's your signpost
3188
03:01:43,936 --> 03:01:45,502
for what's reality?
3189
03:01:45,546 --> 03:01:47,374
It would take ages for a
message to come to you.
3190
03:01:47,417 --> 03:01:48,679
Even if something massive
politically was happening,
3191
03:01:48,723 --> 03:01:50,203
there was a war or something,
3192
03:01:50,246 --> 03:01:52,988
you wouldn't get that
news for a long time.
3193
03:01:53,032 --> 03:01:54,555
And so I think that
was why, you know,
3194
03:01:54,598 --> 03:01:56,513
obviously superstition
prevailed,
3195
03:01:56,557 --> 03:01:58,994
but I wonder if there is a
parallel to our current time
3196
03:01:59,038 --> 03:02:02,519
where we've got such a
proliferation of information
3197
03:02:02,563 --> 03:02:04,521
because of the internet
that we don't know
3198
03:02:04,565 --> 03:02:05,522
what's reality anymore.
3199
03:02:05,566 --> 03:02:08,047
[eerie music]
3200
03:02:15,054 --> 03:02:16,620
So, I think definitely
something like "The Witch"
3201
03:02:16,664 --> 03:02:18,883
where it's people in
isolation, you know,
3202
03:02:18,927 --> 03:02:23,932
it almost could be like "The
Village" by M. Night Shyamalan.
3203
03:02:25,107 --> 03:02:26,587
You're almost expecting like,
3204
03:02:26,630 --> 03:02:27,762
well maybe they don't
live in the past.
3205
03:02:27,805 --> 03:02:29,372
Maybe they live in present.
3206
03:02:29,416 --> 03:02:31,374
Maybe that's what we're
all going towards anyway
3207
03:02:31,418 --> 03:02:32,723
because there's
gonna be some sort
3208
03:02:32,767 --> 03:02:34,203
of nuclear
apocalypse. [chuckles]
3209
03:02:34,247 --> 03:02:37,293
[ominous music]
3210
03:02:37,337 --> 03:02:41,645
And we'll all be in, you
know, leather jerkins
3211
03:02:41,689 --> 03:02:44,387
digging up the ground
trying to plant stuff.
3212
03:02:44,431 --> 03:02:47,086
[ominous music]
3213
03:03:22,991 --> 03:03:24,775
- [Man] He also has a nightmare
about Mary, doesn't he?
3214
03:03:24,819 --> 03:03:26,995
He sleeps on some clover.
3215
03:03:27,039 --> 03:03:29,476
He says it's six feet high,
a six-feet-high bed of-
3216
03:03:29,519 --> 03:03:31,608
- [Mark] But I think also,
and very importantly,
3217
03:03:31,652 --> 03:03:35,830
and the thing that kind of
ties the present to the world
3218
03:03:35,873 --> 03:03:39,007
that the sort of key folk
horror films emerged from
3219
03:03:39,051 --> 03:03:41,575
is we are living in dark times.
3220
03:03:43,490 --> 03:03:46,623
- [Man] He's lying on the
ground under a foot tunnel.
3221
03:03:46,667 --> 03:03:50,366
- It definitely feels like
anything can happen right now,
3222
03:03:50,410 --> 03:03:54,066
but not in that hopeful
anything can happen.
3223
03:03:55,763 --> 03:03:57,460
It's like absolutely
3224
03:03:57,504 --> 03:03:58,983
anything can happen right now.
- Anything can happen.
3225
03:03:59,027 --> 03:04:01,682
[ominous music]
3226
03:04:03,858 --> 03:04:05,207
- [Woman] Far from this vast-
3227
03:04:05,251 --> 03:04:07,122
- [Chad] All of the atrocities
3228
03:04:07,166 --> 03:04:09,385
that are happening right now
in our culture are people.
3229
03:04:09,429 --> 03:04:10,908
You know, there is
nothing supernatural.
3230
03:04:10,952 --> 03:04:12,736
It's all people
doing all the stuff.
3231
03:04:12,780 --> 03:04:15,435
[ominous music]
3232
03:04:17,045 --> 03:04:19,656
- [Woman] His
faithfulness [indistinct].
3233
03:04:19,700 --> 03:04:22,355
[woman screams]
3234
03:04:23,747 --> 03:04:25,053
- [Chad] And so I
think that folk horror
3235
03:04:25,097 --> 03:04:26,881
feels like it's something else
3236
03:04:26,924 --> 03:04:29,753
like the old gods or the
land or the bad harvest
3237
03:04:29,797 --> 03:04:31,233
or the ground is bad.
3238
03:04:31,277 --> 03:04:34,149
[ominous music]
3239
03:04:34,193 --> 03:04:37,021
And Jud says, "The soil of a
man's heart is stonier, Louis."
3240
03:04:37,065 --> 03:04:39,198
He's basically saying that
at the end of the day,
3241
03:04:39,241 --> 03:04:41,678
you bring your
horror in with you.
3242
03:04:41,722 --> 03:04:44,377
[ominous music]
3243
03:05:03,439 --> 03:05:06,877
- There's a direct
echo of the world
3244
03:05:06,921 --> 03:05:09,880
from the time that
the folk horror films
3245
03:05:09,924 --> 03:05:11,534
that we're talking
about were made
3246
03:05:11,578 --> 03:05:13,362
and the world we live in now
3247
03:05:13,406 --> 03:05:17,932
in that there's a real sense
of pessimism about the future.
3248
03:05:19,325 --> 03:05:21,153
And that was very much
present in the '70s
3249
03:05:21,196 --> 03:05:24,199
when certainly in Britain
you had quite a serious state
3250
03:05:24,243 --> 03:05:26,723
of social and
cultural breakdown.
3251
03:05:26,767 --> 03:05:28,725
You know, there was
famously rubbish
3252
03:05:28,769 --> 03:05:32,425
piled up in the streets,
power cuts, strikes.
3253
03:05:34,253 --> 03:05:36,429
There was a great sense of
environmental destruction
3254
03:05:36,472 --> 03:05:39,258
and a sense that the
way that we had built
3255
03:05:39,301 --> 03:05:42,261
our culture around us
was actually destroying
3256
03:05:42,304 --> 03:05:44,611
the world that we lived on.
3257
03:05:46,830 --> 03:05:48,571
- I talked about how in the '70s
3258
03:05:48,615 --> 03:05:51,444
you had an ill-fated
conservative election plan,
3259
03:05:51,487 --> 03:05:55,839
a president going a bit wrong,
and a divisive referendum
3260
03:05:55,883 --> 03:05:58,320
on Europe, and if those
things don't sound familiar,
3261
03:05:58,364 --> 03:06:01,628
where have you been
the last few years?
3262
03:06:05,371 --> 03:06:08,678
Suddenly we get to a period
where there's terrorism,
3263
03:06:08,722 --> 03:06:12,813
there's Nazis on streets,
there's stuff happening
3264
03:06:14,815 --> 03:06:19,211
which does not feel
like everything is okay,
3265
03:06:19,254 --> 03:06:21,213
and history's biting us.
3266
03:06:22,562 --> 03:06:25,129
And we have this
unresolved past,
3267
03:06:25,173 --> 03:06:28,916
this hauntology that is
bringing back ghosts.
3268
03:06:31,310 --> 03:06:35,444
And we're expressing
this partly in the way
3269
03:06:35,488 --> 03:06:38,230
the occult and the unusual
is extending itself
3270
03:06:38,273 --> 03:06:39,883
into everyday life.
3271
03:06:39,927 --> 03:06:42,582
[ominous music]
3272
03:07:00,687 --> 03:07:04,212
- I think there's just a
huge need in our society
3273
03:07:04,256 --> 03:07:07,998
to hold onto something
that is more than
3274
03:07:08,042 --> 03:07:09,826
what we see in
our ordinary life.
3275
03:07:09,870 --> 03:07:12,568
[rain pattering]
3276
03:07:17,704 --> 03:07:20,010
- I think people feel lonely.
3277
03:07:20,054 --> 03:07:22,709
[ominous music]
3278
03:07:25,712 --> 03:07:27,322
I think people feel isolated.
3279
03:07:27,366 --> 03:07:28,671
I think people feel out of touch
3280
03:07:28,715 --> 03:07:30,760
because in our new modern world,
3281
03:07:30,804 --> 03:07:34,503
we're so connected and
yet we're super anonymous,
3282
03:07:34,547 --> 03:07:38,246
and we've just lost
touch with the community
3283
03:07:39,726 --> 03:07:42,381
and the traditions
that we once had.
3284
03:07:43,817 --> 03:07:45,688
- In the 21st century,
the renewed interest
3285
03:07:45,732 --> 03:07:48,082
in folk horror now is to do
with another major change,
3286
03:07:48,125 --> 03:07:49,431
it's a change of
technology, right?
3287
03:07:49,475 --> 03:07:51,041
People living in an analog era,
3288
03:07:51,085 --> 03:07:52,565
we live in a very digital era,
3289
03:07:52,608 --> 03:07:55,089
people living in their
own little worlds,
3290
03:07:55,132 --> 03:07:57,221
their own little bubbles
of contained communities
3291
03:07:57,265 --> 03:07:58,745
like pseudo-communities.
3292
03:07:58,788 --> 03:08:01,138
And often in these
kinds of situations,
3293
03:08:01,182 --> 03:08:03,315
people yearn for the old again.
3294
03:08:03,358 --> 03:08:06,448
[gentle somber music]
3295
03:08:09,408 --> 03:08:10,974
They wanna believe in something.
3296
03:08:11,018 --> 03:08:12,541
It may not be religion anymore,
3297
03:08:12,585 --> 03:08:14,804
but they wanna believe
in some kind of power.
3298
03:08:14,848 --> 03:08:16,328
- You're sounding
like Lord Summerisle.
3299
03:08:16,371 --> 03:08:17,329
[Vic laughs]
3300
03:08:17,372 --> 03:08:20,375
[gentle music continues]
3301
03:08:20,419 --> 03:08:23,247
- I think there is this
urge to find something
3302
03:08:23,291 --> 03:08:26,555
that because it can't be
dissected and analyzed
3303
03:08:26,599 --> 03:08:29,906
into non-existence
that will have retained
3304
03:08:29,950 --> 03:08:32,300
some kind of core of power
3305
03:08:32,344 --> 03:08:35,259
and perhaps you can call
that spirit or soul.
3306
03:08:35,303 --> 03:08:37,261
I don't know, but I think maybe
3307
03:08:37,305 --> 03:08:39,263
that's what people are drawn to,
3308
03:08:39,307 --> 03:08:44,138
the fact that these films do
seem to have a kind of a soul.
3309
03:08:48,969 --> 03:08:51,493
[gentle music]
3310
03:09:24,526 --> 03:09:29,531
♪ What is this
that I can't see ♪
3311
03:09:31,011 --> 03:09:35,842
♪ Ice cold hands
that get hold of me ♪
3312
03:09:37,365 --> 03:09:42,370
♪ I am dead, no one can tell
3313
03:09:44,024 --> 03:09:49,029
♪ Open the gate to
Heaven or Hell ♪
3314
03:09:51,031 --> 03:09:56,036
♪ Oh Death, someone would pray
3315
03:09:57,516 --> 03:10:01,781
♪ Could you wait
for another day ♪
3316
03:10:03,391 --> 03:10:08,222
♪ My head is warm,
my feet are cold ♪
3317
03:10:09,702 --> 03:10:14,707
♪ Death is a-moving
upon my soul ♪
3318
03:10:16,056 --> 03:10:21,061
♪ Oh Death
3319
03:10:22,149 --> 03:10:27,154
♪ Oh Death
3320
03:10:28,068 --> 03:10:33,073
♪ Oh Death
3321
03:10:34,335 --> 03:10:39,340
♪ Oh Death
3322
03:10:40,080 --> 03:10:44,519
♪ Won't you spare me over
3323
03:10:45,477 --> 03:10:50,090
♪ For another year
3324
03:10:51,570 --> 03:10:56,052
♪ Fix your feet till
you can't walk ♪
3325
03:10:57,576 --> 03:11:01,580
♪ Lock your jaw till
you can't talk ♪
3326
03:11:03,103 --> 03:11:07,281
♪ Close your eyes
so you can't see ♪
3327
03:11:08,761 --> 03:11:12,939
♪ This very air come
and go with me ♪
3328
03:11:14,418 --> 03:11:18,727
♪ Death I come to
take the soul ♪
3329
03:11:20,163 --> 03:11:24,167
♪ Leave the body,
leave it cold ♪
3330
03:11:25,734 --> 03:11:29,825
♪ Draw the flesh
up off the frame ♪
3331
03:11:31,305 --> 03:11:35,309
♪ Dirt and worm
both have a claim ♪
3332
03:11:36,136 --> 03:11:41,097
♪ Oh Death
3333
03:11:41,837 --> 03:11:46,320
♪ Oh Death
3334
03:11:47,103 --> 03:11:51,630
♪ Oh Death
3335
03:11:52,500 --> 03:11:56,939
♪ Oh Death
3336
03:11:56,983 --> 03:12:01,988
♪ Won't you spare me over
3337
03:12:02,989 --> 03:12:07,515
♪ For another year
3338
03:12:08,647 --> 03:12:12,825
♪ Won't you spare me over
3339
03:12:13,782 --> 03:12:15,871
♪ For another year
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