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- MARK ROESSLER
Elizabeth, this is Erika Cheung.
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It's her first day.
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- Welcome to Theranos.
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- Here, put it on the camera
on your computer.
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- Why?
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- So they can't watch you.
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- If Ian had testified, it would have
invalidated Theranos' patents.
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- For a story like this, I really need
someone with firsthand knowledge.
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ERIKA CHEUNG: They must be running
everything on the Siemens machines
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to get around the regulators.
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- Do you really think
she'd let that happen?
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- Dude, she is the CEO.
She knows what's going on.
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- Are you running
the Edison proficiency tests
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on Siemens machines?
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- You have no idea
what you're talking about.
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- You believe Theranos
is lying to regulators?
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- Yeah, that's why we need you
to start asking questions.
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- No, I won't.
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- I'm ready for your questions now.
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- How is Theranos defrauding Walgreens?
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[line ringing]
JOHN CARREYROU: [on phone] Yeah, hello.
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TYLER SCHULTZ:
Uh, John Carreyrou?
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This is Tyler Schultz.
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BILL CLINTON: You founded
this company 12 years ago, right?
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Tell them how old you were.
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- ELIZABETH HOLMES: I was 19.
[audience applauds]
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- So--
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Don't worry about the future,
we're in good hands.
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♪ And you ♪
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♪ Though nothing ♪
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[photographers clamoring]
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♪ Will drive them away ♪
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[panting]
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♪ We can beat them ♪
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♪ Just for one day ♪
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♪ We can be heroes ♪
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♪ Forever and ever ♪
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♪ What d'you say? ♪
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[inaudible]
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- I look back on this
brilliant young woman's, uh, vision,
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and I think to myself,
how in God's name at 19
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was she able to convince some
of the leading professors in America,
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uh, let alone her parents,
to give her all her tuition money
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to go and say, "I got an idea.
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I'm going to start a company."
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[panting]
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♪ I, I will be king ♪
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♪ And you ♪
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♪ Though nothing ♪
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♪ Will drive them away ♪
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♪ We can be heroes ♪
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♪ Just for one day ♪
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- So the Theranos report
for the patient came back
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showing an abnormally high TSH value.
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- But the patient was already taking
thyroid medication
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to lower that value?
- Precisely.
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And the Theranos results indicated
the medication wasn't working.
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- Was Theranos correct?
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- This patient was pregnant, okay.
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Increasing her dosage would have made
her thyroid hormone levels so high,
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it would have put her pregnancy at risk.
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- Would you go on the record with this?
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- Abso-fucking-lutely.
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- I tracked down a patient
who spent Thanksgiving in the ER
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because a Theranos test
told her incorrectly
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she was having a stroke.
- Mm.
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- Thousands of dollars in medical bills.
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I spoke with a cancer survivor,
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took a Theranos test,
thought her cancer had come back.
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- Jesus.
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- I have three doctors on the record.
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I have the Mark Roessler emails.
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- He sent you those?
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- No, not yet, but he should shortly.
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From what he describes,
they're pretty damning.
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I've got Gardner and Gibbons on the record
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and Tyler Schultz on background.
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- Wait, wait, uh, back up. Tyler who?
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- This kid worked in the labs
with Erika Cheung.
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He's George Schultz's grandson.
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- Huh.
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Does Schultz know his grandson
is talking to us?
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- Oh no. And I have to make sure
he doesn't.
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- Yeah, no shit.
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- It smells really good.
- Mm-hmm.
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- Can I have the crackers?
- Nope.
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So we ought to be thankful
that Elizabeth Holmes wasn't running
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the USSR in the '80s.
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- Yeah.
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- Okay, so you do know
what I'm going to ask--
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- She's not going to talk to me, Judith.
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I'm the only reporter in America
she will not give an interview to.
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- Doesn't matter.
We have to be able to say
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we made every effort
to allow Theranos to respond.
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- I sent them a list of questions.
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- Okay.
- I am a little bit worried
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they're going to come after my sources.
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They've got David Boies representing them.
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- Yeah, fuck that.
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Whatever they throw at us,
we can handle it.
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But maybe also call Mark Roessler
and have him hurry up with those e-mails.
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[devices whirring]
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LINDA TANNER: Wall Street Journal
is doing an article about Theranos,
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and it is, um--
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I don't think it's going to be positive.
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Uh, here are some questions they sent over
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that they would like you to, uh,
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to an-- to answer
as soon as you possibly can--
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- Yo, I've been trying
to get ahold of you.
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Mark just downloaded, like,
hundreds of work e-mails
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to his personal drive,
and now he's headed out of the building.
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- Mark?
- Yeah.
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- Where is Mark?
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Mark!
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- What's he going to do to him?
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Sunny!
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SUNNY BALWANI: Mark!
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♪
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Mark, I will sue your ass!
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Delete those emails!
We have an NDA, Mark.
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These questions are ridiculous.
- And sloppy.
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- Yeah, he's not a good writer.
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- I, I tried reading
his Medicare thing the other night.
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It, like, sucked.
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- I mean, I mean,
he should be more careful.
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These questions make it obvious
who his sources are.
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- You know who his sources are?
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- Yes, of course.
- We believe we do.
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- We've narrowed it down.
Thank you, Peter.
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- He's spoken to Rochelle Gibbons.
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- Who we should sue for defamation.
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SUNNY: And some doctors
and patients in Arizona,
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which violates
doctor-patient confidentiality.
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- And those questions regarding
the particulars of the Normandy lab,
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those are, that's coming from Erika.
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- Yeah. Erika Cheung,
Tyler Schultz, Mark Roessler.
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SUNNY: Who all signed NDAs.
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- That's right. And who are young
and disgruntled.
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- Very fucking disgruntled.
- All three left after disagreements.
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- But they expect us to answer
these questions,
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like, I, I--
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This, this whole thing that we have
to respond to liars?
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That's ridiculous.
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And all these legal elements,
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we have to get, we have to get ahead
of all of them now.
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SUNNY:
Extremely serious legal implications.
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Like, Tyler basically violated
and shared our trade secrets.
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- Literally.
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SUNNY:
Violating trade secrets is not okay.
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- We want to sue everyone.
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- Everyone?
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- We want to nail this motherfucker.
- Yeah.
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- Well...
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I respect the integrity of journalism.
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I represent the New York Times.
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But there are tools and tactics available
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that we can use to try
and suppress negative stories.
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And we can remind them of the consequences
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of breaking their NDAs.
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Linda will help me with that.
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And then, of course,
we can question their credibility.
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If these are the kind of people
that break their NDAs,
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how can we trust anything they say?
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- Good. Yeah. Good.
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- Hey, Tiger.
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Are you home?
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I'm back.
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I got to tell you something.
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SUNNY: Come find me.
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- This house is too big. I can't.
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- Here.
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- I met Rupert Murdoch tonight
at the thing.
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[Elizabeth screams]
[Sunny gasps]
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ELIZABETH: I'm sorry.
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You started it.
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- Rupert Murdoch invited me
to his ranch tonight.
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God, I am so happy.
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- I'm going to Arizona tomorrow
to talk to the doctors.
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I don't care
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that Boies has a strategy.
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I want to talk to them face-to-face.
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End this smear campaign,
take out his sources.
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Cut this off at the legs one by one.
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We can turn this around.
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- I'm not here to scare you.
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I'm simply asking you,
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does your practice rely on online reviews?
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It would hurt your practice
if your patients knew
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you shared their confidential
health information
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with a reporter.
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Right?
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But if you sign that document,
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all this goes away.
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- I've always believed
that we are here on this Earth
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to make a difference in the world.
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So when I found what I felt like
I was born to do,
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which is help and try to contribute
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to, to solving a problem--
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- Hello.
MARK: I'm being followed, John.
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Like, everywhere I go,
there's someone watching me.
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- Who's watching you?
- I, I don't know,
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but I'm not making it up.
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It's not safe in my house.
I'm, I'm in the car.
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I'm using the Wi-Fi in my car.
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- I believe that on a human level,
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there's not much else that matters.
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CHARLIE ROSE:
Access to more data will save more lives.
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ELIZABETH: Yeah, when,
you know, in saving lives...
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when you're talking
about someone you love,
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you'd do anything, right?
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MARK: I get these phone calls...
- Mark. Mark.
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from, from Sunny
and their goddamn lawyers,
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they're threatening me--
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- I told you they were going
to come after you.
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MARK: ...these massive lawsuits.
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CHARLIE: Has anybody challenged
the science of what you do?
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MARK: I hired a lawyer,
a very good lawyer.
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But he found out they had
David Boies on, on their side,
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and he told me to delete
the emails immediately.
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- Don't delete the emails, Mark.
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What you're doing is too important.
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- I don't know.
I, I, I don't know if I can do this.
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CHARLIE: Are there people
who raise questions and say,
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you know, why doesn't she
show us all this?
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Because we'd feel more comfortable
with the results.
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ELIZABETH:
The major lab companies, yeah.
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CHARLIE: Help me understand
what it is they're asking
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and what your answer is to them.
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- I know it's scary right now--
- They can bankrupt me.
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- But they wouldn't make it scary
if they weren't scared.
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And they're scared because they know
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that they're wrong and you're right.
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What you're doing is going to save lives.
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- Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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- Mark, you did this because
you're going to save people.
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MARK: Uh-huh. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right.
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JOHN: So you'll send me those emails?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Mark?
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Mark?
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Mark.
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MARK:
Sorry, John, I'm sorry.
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[line disconnects]
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JOHN:
The Roessler emails are gone.
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Most of the Arizona doctors are gone.
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If they manage to sway Tyler,
I, I do not have a story.
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- Well, then get Tyler on the phone.
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- I've tried to get Tyler on the phone.
He doesn't pick up.
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- Well, try again.
- I have tried trying again.
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- Well, have you tried
texting, emailing...
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- I have tried everything.
- ...sending him flowers?
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Well, then you're just going
to have to wait.
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- Wait. Great.
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I will just wait.
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That is really helpful, Judith. Thank you.
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[sighs]
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- I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
JUDITH: It's okay.
284
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- This is really taking a toll on me.
- I can see that.
285
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You just can't lose Tyler.
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♪
287
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[cell phone buzzing]
288
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- Grandpa, what's up?
289
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I'm not sure why Elizabeth thinks that
290
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I was the one who spoke to some,
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some reporter.
- Did you... Tyler?
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Because if you did,
293
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you're in danger of being sued.
294
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Just tell me.
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We're family.
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Did you speak to the reporter?
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- No.
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No.
- Oh, that's good.
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GEORGE SCHULTZ:
So then,
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all you have to do
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is sign a new non-disclosure agreement.
302
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- What?
303
00:15:03,487 --> 00:15:04,613
- Linda!
304
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- Is someone here?
- George.
305
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Is there someone upstairs?
306
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- A lawyer from Theranos brought
the document for you to sign.
307
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- You told me to come over and talk.
308
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You didn't tell me
I have to sign anything.
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- Linda.
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Linda!
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- Okay.
312
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Okay.
313
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- This matter is more urgent
than you realize.
314
00:15:27,511 --> 00:15:29,555
- Hi. Hi, Tyler.
315
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I have some documents
you're going to need to sign.
316
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Okay, here's the restraining order.
317
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BOTH:
A restraining order?
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- Are you fucking serious?
319
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- No, that's wrong.
320
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Elizabeth said he was going
to sign a nondisclosure agreement.
321
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,902
- This is a letter from Theranos
stating that they believe
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that you have violated
your confidentiality obligations.
323
00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:48,448
- This is not what
Elizabeth said was going--
324
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- That they're preparing to file
a lawsuit against you.
325
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- Is this coming from Sunny?
- I didn't speak to the reporter.
326
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- Would you be willing to sign
an affidavit to that effect?
327
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Would you be willing to name
the people who did in fact speak
328
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to The Wall Street Journal?
329
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- My grandson is not a rat.
330
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- George, why don't you let me
take it from here?
331
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- Like hell I will.
You, into the study now.
332
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Tyler, you stay here.
333
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We're going to settle this with decorum.
334
00:16:10,429 --> 00:16:11,430
Sit down.
335
00:16:14,183 --> 00:16:16,018
You won't be talking to Tyler directly.
336
00:16:16,977 --> 00:16:18,979
You'll be using me as an intermediary.
337
00:16:20,731 --> 00:16:22,191
- Is this really necessary?
338
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- It was good enough for Gorbachev,
339
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and it will be good enough for you.
340
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♪ tense music ♪
341
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♪
342
00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:36,705
How are you doing?
Are you hungry?
343
00:16:37,206 --> 00:16:39,625
Charlotte, can we have
some crackers in here?
344
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- Can you just tell her not to sue me?
345
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- We're taking the lawsuit off the table.
346
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- We can't do that.
347
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- Then he won't be signing.
348
00:16:47,633 --> 00:16:48,967
- That's a red line?
349
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- Good news, they're agreeing
not to sue you for two years.
350
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- So they're going to sue me in two years?
351
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- Jesus Christ, George,
this is your grandson.
352
00:17:07,736 --> 00:17:10,656
LINDA:
Fine, we will agree not to sue.
353
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- And you'll put that in writing.
354
00:17:12,032 --> 00:17:13,659
- Yes, we'll draft it up right now.
355
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But if we do, he'll sign?
356
00:17:15,953 --> 00:17:19,164
- No, I, I won't sign it.
357
00:17:19,164 --> 00:17:21,750
- Those were your terms.
- Well, my terms have changed.
358
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- Why?
359
00:17:23,961 --> 00:17:25,629
Because you did speak to a reporter.
360
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Because if you did
361
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and you sign these documents,
you'll be perjuring yourself.
362
00:17:30,968 --> 00:17:32,970
- Okay.
- What are you doing here?
363
00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:37,140
- Tyler, I've modified the documents
to meet your demands.
364
00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:38,308
Now sign.
365
00:17:39,601 --> 00:17:42,729
♪
366
00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,441
- George...
367
00:17:46,441 --> 00:17:48,777
why don't you fax
the documents to your lawyer
368
00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:50,988
and see what he thinks Taylor should do?
369
00:17:58,412 --> 00:18:02,165
[beeping]
370
00:18:17,347 --> 00:18:19,975
Tyler, your mom's on the phone.
371
00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:23,604
If you'd like, you can take it upstairs.
372
00:18:29,818 --> 00:18:31,904
- Why did my mom call here?
Is everything okay?
373
00:18:36,366 --> 00:18:39,578
- Tyler, I know you spoke
with the reporter.
374
00:18:41,705 --> 00:18:42,664
- No, I--
375
00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:44,791
[stammers] I didn't.
376
00:18:46,043 --> 00:18:49,004
I didn't, I--
- This is our attorney on the phone.
377
00:18:52,341 --> 00:18:54,510
Tell him your situation.
378
00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:55,844
He can help you.
379
00:18:56,512 --> 00:18:57,596
- I'm--
380
00:19:00,766 --> 00:19:04,311
♪ serene music playing ♪
381
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♪
382
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GEORGE:
My lawyer says he shouldn't sign.
383
00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:20,869
LINDA: Why?
384
00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,581
I mean, if he's telling the truth,
then he has no reason--
385
00:19:24,581 --> 00:19:26,333
- That was his recommendation.
386
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:28,669
I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
387
00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:30,546
- Tyler...
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00:19:31,588 --> 00:19:33,632
you're about to be buried in legal fees.
389
00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:38,178
Your parents are about
to be buried in legal fees.
390
00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:39,721
- That's my son you're talking about.
391
00:19:39,721 --> 00:19:42,099
- You cannot afford
392
00:19:42,099 --> 00:19:44,017
what is about to come at you.
393
00:19:45,269 --> 00:19:46,937
Is it worth it?
- Get out.
394
00:19:48,272 --> 00:19:49,356
- You'll be hearing from me.
395
00:20:01,451 --> 00:20:02,327
[sighs]
396
00:20:02,828 --> 00:20:03,620
[door opens]
397
00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:07,457
[door closes]
398
00:20:08,125 --> 00:20:09,209
- Do you--
399
00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:13,463
Do you wish Elizabeth was related to you
400
00:20:14,715 --> 00:20:16,008
instead of me?
401
00:20:16,008 --> 00:20:18,510
- Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
402
00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:20,971
- She lied to you about the documents
she wanted me to sign.
403
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,140
She lies.
404
00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:24,558
That's who she is.
405
00:20:24,558 --> 00:20:26,894
Why can't you just admit
that you were wrong about her?
406
00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:30,397
Because you're this great man
and you never make mistakes?
407
00:20:30,397 --> 00:20:31,565
You're never wrong?
408
00:20:35,068 --> 00:20:36,987
- Did you speak to the reporter?
409
00:20:44,328 --> 00:20:45,454
- No.
410
00:20:46,872 --> 00:20:49,374
♪
411
00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,294
- Then I'm choosing to believe you.
412
00:20:53,962 --> 00:20:57,966
♪
413
00:20:59,968 --> 00:21:03,263
- We have a very big announcement
to tell y'all.
414
00:21:03,263 --> 00:21:05,307
Are you excited?
- Walgreens isn't happy.
415
00:21:05,307 --> 00:21:07,017
Normandy is a disaster zone.
416
00:21:07,017 --> 00:21:09,978
We need new lab directors
and lab managers.
417
00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:12,981
- Because you replaced Mark
with a dermatologist.
418
00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:15,734
- Because I don't want someone
who's going to create problems.
419
00:21:15,734 --> 00:21:18,820
- But we can't keep fighting fires
by creating fires.
420
00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:21,949
We have to focus on
the root cause of the problem.
421
00:21:21,949 --> 00:21:23,742
What is the root cause?
422
00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:26,161
CHRISTIAN HOLMES:
And I think she deserves--
423
00:21:26,161 --> 00:21:27,871
- What is the root cause?
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00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:30,249
CHRISTIAN: So without further ado,
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00:21:30,249 --> 00:21:32,835
I present to you our fearless leader,
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00:21:32,835 --> 00:21:34,586
Elizabeth Holmes.
427
00:21:34,586 --> 00:21:35,796
[cheering and applause]
428
00:21:35,796 --> 00:21:38,465
♪ Too legit, too legit to quit ♪
429
00:21:39,383 --> 00:21:42,219
♪ Too legit, too legit to quit ♪
430
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:46,431
♪ Too legit, too legit to quit ♪
431
00:21:48,517 --> 00:21:52,020
- We've got herpes!
432
00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:54,690
♪
433
00:21:54,690 --> 00:21:58,360
[chanting]:
Theranos! Theranos!
434
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,529
Theranos!
435
00:22:00,946 --> 00:22:02,739
Theranos!
436
00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:04,408
Theranos!
437
00:22:04,408 --> 00:22:05,868
Theranos!
438
00:22:06,493 --> 00:22:08,078
Theranos!
439
00:22:08,412 --> 00:22:09,955
Theranos!
440
00:22:10,205 --> 00:22:11,707
Theranos!
441
00:22:12,249 --> 00:22:13,375
Theranos!
442
00:22:14,293 --> 00:22:16,503
[cheering, whooping]
443
00:22:18,463 --> 00:22:21,091
- Congratulations on the FDA approval.
444
00:22:21,091 --> 00:22:22,885
ELIZABETH:
Moving in the right direction.
445
00:22:22,885 --> 00:22:24,803
Where are we with the article?
446
00:22:25,429 --> 00:22:27,097
- Tyler didn't sign.
447
00:22:27,097 --> 00:22:28,891
- It doesn't matter because he's a kid.
448
00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:32,227
And they've lost
more than half of their sources.
449
00:22:32,936 --> 00:22:33,937
DAVID BOIES: Right.
450
00:22:34,313 --> 00:22:38,233
But we need answers to those questions
that the journalist sent.
451
00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:41,069
We need to categorically deny
the allegations.
452
00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:44,072
[wrestler shouting]
453
00:22:44,072 --> 00:22:45,908
[whistle blows]
[people cheering]
454
00:22:48,702 --> 00:22:50,204
- I won!
455
00:22:51,705 --> 00:22:53,332
- Oh, I had an idea last night.
456
00:23:02,341 --> 00:23:03,717
- What the fuck?
457
00:23:04,593 --> 00:23:08,847
[cell phone buzzing]
458
00:23:13,227 --> 00:23:15,312
- Yeah, I know, Richard.
I'm looking at it.
459
00:23:15,312 --> 00:23:16,855
RICHARD FUISZ:
In your own paper!
460
00:23:16,855 --> 00:23:20,442
She, she wrote and published
a brag about herpes
461
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:21,777
in your own paper?
462
00:23:21,777 --> 00:23:23,779
She's spitting in your face.
463
00:23:23,779 --> 00:23:25,489
How could this happen?
464
00:23:25,489 --> 00:23:26,865
- Well, it's an op-ed, Richard.
465
00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:28,784
Opinion and news are totally separate.
466
00:23:28,784 --> 00:23:29,785
They don't know what we're working on.
467
00:23:29,785 --> 00:23:31,245
- I'll tell you how it happened.
468
00:23:31,745 --> 00:23:34,373
Guess who's the new investor in Theranos?
469
00:23:34,373 --> 00:23:36,041
Rupert Murdoch!
470
00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:38,418
Rupert fucking Murdoch.
471
00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:40,295
The man who owns your paper.
472
00:23:40,295 --> 00:23:42,464
I just found out this morning.
473
00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,091
- Um, I'm sorry.
474
00:23:44,091 --> 00:23:47,386
Where-- where did--
where is this information coming from?
475
00:23:47,386 --> 00:23:49,680
- It's coming from, you figure it out.
476
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,598
That's where it's coming from.
477
00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:53,851
$125 million,
478
00:23:53,851 --> 00:23:56,395
the most he's ever invested
in a tech company.
479
00:23:57,813 --> 00:23:59,648
- Are you sure about this?
480
00:23:59,648 --> 00:24:02,109
- Your story is dead.
He's going to bury it.
481
00:24:02,109 --> 00:24:04,820
He's going to bury it
to protect his investment.
482
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:07,447
- That's not necessarily true.
483
00:24:07,447 --> 00:24:08,574
RICHARD: The op-ed!
484
00:24:09,116 --> 00:24:10,909
The op-ed!
485
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:11,952
[beep]
486
00:24:20,419 --> 00:24:24,631
♪
487
00:24:31,221 --> 00:24:32,222
[taps]
488
00:24:33,473 --> 00:24:35,267
- The opinion page
has nothing to do--
489
00:24:35,267 --> 00:24:37,811
- Murdoch just invested $125 million.
490
00:24:39,771 --> 00:24:40,898
- In Theranos?
491
00:24:40,898 --> 00:24:42,399
- No, in railroads.
492
00:24:42,941 --> 00:24:43,984
- Wow.
493
00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:46,737
- Guess he should have
called you first, huh?
494
00:24:46,737 --> 00:24:49,031
- Yeah. Uh, we gotta run the story now.
495
00:24:49,573 --> 00:24:50,908
- We can't run it now.
- Why not?
496
00:24:50,908 --> 00:24:52,326
- Because it's not ready.
497
00:24:52,326 --> 00:24:55,037
You've lost half your sources,
so we need more proof.
498
00:24:55,037 --> 00:24:57,372
We have to wait.
- Judith, come--
499
00:24:58,332 --> 00:24:59,499
Come on.
500
00:25:00,751 --> 00:25:03,587
Obama just named her
global ambassador of something.
501
00:25:03,587 --> 00:25:05,881
The woman is worth
four and a half billion dollars.
502
00:25:05,881 --> 00:25:07,966
They are fucking winning here.
503
00:25:07,966 --> 00:25:10,719
- John, in Sicily, every year--
504
00:25:10,719 --> 00:25:12,012
- Why are we talking about Italy?
505
00:25:12,012 --> 00:25:13,722
- No, no. We're talking about Sicily.
506
00:25:13,722 --> 00:25:15,849
There's a practice called la mattanza.
507
00:25:16,308 --> 00:25:17,226
- Okay.
508
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,980
- The fishermen, they wade
into the Mediterranean Sea.
509
00:25:22,898 --> 00:25:24,149
The water is up to their waist.
510
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:26,818
They've got their clubs
and spears in hand.
511
00:25:27,736 --> 00:25:28,820
And they stand there.
512
00:25:30,072 --> 00:25:31,156
Very still.
513
00:25:31,782 --> 00:25:32,783
For hours.
514
00:25:34,368 --> 00:25:35,994
Till the fish start to gather around them.
515
00:25:37,246 --> 00:25:40,290
Because the men are so still
516
00:25:41,124 --> 00:25:42,876
and they've waited so long,
517
00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:44,503
the fish don't even realize they're there.
518
00:25:44,503 --> 00:25:46,588
They, they think
they're part of the scenery.
519
00:25:47,548 --> 00:25:48,590
But then...
520
00:25:50,092 --> 00:25:51,802
once there are enough fish gathered,
521
00:25:52,761 --> 00:25:54,263
someone gives the signal.
522
00:25:54,263 --> 00:25:55,389
And then...
523
00:25:55,931 --> 00:25:57,015
bam!
524
00:25:57,891 --> 00:25:58,934
Bam, bam, bam!
525
00:25:58,934 --> 00:26:00,769
Tch tch tch tch tch. Tch tch tch tch.
526
00:26:00,769 --> 00:26:02,563
Bam! Bam!
527
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,567
So you see.
528
00:26:07,276 --> 00:26:08,318
- Very vivid imagery.
529
00:26:09,194 --> 00:26:10,195
- We wait.
530
00:26:12,531 --> 00:26:14,241
- Until Boies responds to my questions?
531
00:26:15,659 --> 00:26:17,244
- Until we know we've got them.
532
00:26:23,709 --> 00:26:25,169
- Yup.
- Go on.
533
00:26:36,889 --> 00:26:37,806
[thud]
534
00:26:40,934 --> 00:26:42,978
[dog barking in distance]
535
00:26:44,521 --> 00:26:45,355
[sighs]
536
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,943
[footsteps]
537
00:26:51,695 --> 00:26:53,363
[panting]
538
00:26:53,363 --> 00:26:54,573
- Oh!
- Oh my god!
539
00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:55,657
- I--
540
00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:58,410
- I'm sorry, your roommate,
she just let me in downstairs, and I--
541
00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:00,537
- Wh-what are you,
what are you doing here?
542
00:27:01,330 --> 00:27:03,707
- I, uh, brought a lamp.
543
00:27:05,626 --> 00:27:07,961
Yeah, you just, you weren't
answering my calls,
544
00:27:07,961 --> 00:27:12,341
so I thought I would stop by
and say hi and bring a lamp.
545
00:27:12,341 --> 00:27:15,260
Remember you told me
you didn't have one for your room?
546
00:27:19,348 --> 00:27:20,849
How long have you had that knife?
547
00:27:20,849 --> 00:27:22,559
- I, I don't know, it helps the--
548
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:24,645
it helps me sleep.
549
00:27:27,314 --> 00:27:28,190
[sighs]
550
00:27:33,654 --> 00:27:36,990
When you were at Theranos,
did you ever hear of Ian Gibbons?
551
00:27:39,576 --> 00:27:40,661
- Maybe.
552
00:27:43,664 --> 00:27:46,834
- Carreyrou told me that
he was a chemist there.
553
00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:52,673
They were pressuring him so much that, um,
554
00:27:55,217 --> 00:27:56,426
he killed himself.
555
00:28:01,557 --> 00:28:03,433
I keep thinking about him.
556
00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:08,772
Yeah, it's, uh...
557
00:28:10,732 --> 00:28:11,900
It's bad right now.
558
00:28:14,403 --> 00:28:15,988
They're suing me. [inhales]
559
00:28:17,531 --> 00:28:19,283
My grandfather stopped talking to me.
560
00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:22,452
They're tracking everything I do.
561
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:24,997
[sighs]
562
00:28:33,297 --> 00:28:35,257
- At least now you have an ugly lamp.
563
00:28:46,476 --> 00:28:49,438
[both laugh]
564
00:28:49,438 --> 00:28:50,397
[tires squealing]
565
00:28:51,106 --> 00:28:52,858
[dog barking]
566
00:29:03,368 --> 00:29:05,829
- David, what are you doing here?
567
00:29:05,829 --> 00:29:06,997
- I want to talk.
568
00:29:08,290 --> 00:29:10,792
- Were you in the neighborhood?
- No.
569
00:29:12,753 --> 00:29:15,088
The article is not going away.
570
00:29:15,756 --> 00:29:19,760
It's not moving forward
but it's not going away,
571
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,389
and I can't make it go away
until I know what they have.
572
00:29:26,767 --> 00:29:31,104
This is the moment
where you tell me everything
573
00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:32,731
that you've been hiding from me.
574
00:29:32,731 --> 00:29:37,986
♪
575
00:29:41,406 --> 00:29:44,576
♪
576
00:29:44,576 --> 00:29:47,120
♪
577
00:29:53,168 --> 00:29:55,045
- Oh, you need to be prepared.
578
00:29:55,045 --> 00:29:56,255
- I'm prepared.
579
00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:59,967
For, for what?
- For Boies killing your story.
580
00:29:59,967 --> 00:30:01,635
- No.
- He's the one that called the meeting.
581
00:30:01,635 --> 00:30:03,053
I'm sure he has evidence that refutes it.
582
00:30:03,053 --> 00:30:04,346
- Judith, the story is good.
583
00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:06,557
I still have Dr. Betz in Arizona.
584
00:30:06,557 --> 00:30:08,058
I've got the nurse, Carmen Washington.
585
00:30:08,058 --> 00:30:10,102
I have that patient.
I have Erika Cheung,
586
00:30:10,102 --> 00:30:12,104
Mark Roessler, Richard Fuisz,
587
00:30:12,104 --> 00:30:14,481
Rochelle Gibbons, Phyllis Gardner--
JUDITH: On background.
588
00:30:14,481 --> 00:30:16,483
- And Tyler.
- You haven't heard from Tyler?
589
00:30:16,984 --> 00:30:19,903
- No. But that also means
I haven't heard that he's recanted.
590
00:30:19,903 --> 00:30:23,407
Come on. Whatever happened
to stab the fish?
591
00:30:23,407 --> 00:30:25,242
- Sometimes the fish
can take you to court.
592
00:30:26,743 --> 00:30:28,161
And then you have to let them go.
593
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,165
So say it back to me,
you have to let the fish go.
594
00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:36,962
- Sometimes you have to let the fish go.
- Exactly.
595
00:30:37,754 --> 00:30:40,757
So thank you for coming by.
596
00:30:41,842 --> 00:30:43,468
This is John Carreyrou
597
00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:46,555
and Jay Conti, the deputy general counsel
of our parent company.
598
00:30:46,555 --> 00:30:47,806
- Ah, hold on.
599
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,018
Oh, are we recording?
Is this a deposition?
600
00:30:51,018 --> 00:30:53,437
- Nope. Just want a record.
- Well, hold on.
601
00:30:54,062 --> 00:30:56,231
Maybe we want to record.
What do you, what do you think?
602
00:30:56,231 --> 00:30:57,399
- Yeah, why not? Sure.
- Okay.
603
00:30:58,066 --> 00:31:01,069
So where is the app?
604
00:31:01,069 --> 00:31:03,322
- Uh, Recorder Plus.
605
00:31:03,697 --> 00:31:05,782
JUDITH:
Uh-huh. And do I download it?
606
00:31:05,782 --> 00:31:07,784
JOHN: Yeah, go to the App Store.
JUDITH: Mm-hmm.
607
00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:08,994
And how much is it?
608
00:31:08,994 --> 00:31:11,038
- No, it's free.
- Oh, okay, free.
609
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:14,583
Ah, there it is.
610
00:31:14,583 --> 00:31:16,543
Okay, got it. You got it?
611
00:31:16,543 --> 00:31:17,544
JOHN: Got it.
- Got it.
612
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:19,254
- Can we keep moving forward?
613
00:31:19,254 --> 00:31:20,964
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
614
00:31:20,964 --> 00:31:23,759
LINDA: Okay. So you sent us
80 questions for review,
615
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,386
and we are here to rebut the false premise
616
00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:27,721
embedded in those questions.
617
00:31:27,721 --> 00:31:31,391
Now, it's apparent to us
that one of your key sources
618
00:31:31,391 --> 00:31:33,810
is a young man named Tyler Schultz.
619
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,563
- We aren't disclosing
our confidential sources,
620
00:31:36,563 --> 00:31:38,857
nor should you presume
to know who they are.
621
00:31:38,857 --> 00:31:41,235
Can we move on?
DAVID: You're absolutely right, Judith.
622
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,738
I'm not asking you
to disclose your sources.
623
00:31:44,738 --> 00:31:47,574
I respect journalists,
and I'm trying to protect you.
624
00:31:47,574 --> 00:31:49,743
There just isn't a story here.
625
00:31:49,743 --> 00:31:51,286
- Then answer my questions.
626
00:31:55,666 --> 00:31:56,708
- John.
627
00:31:57,376 --> 00:31:58,335
It's John, right?
628
00:31:58,335 --> 00:31:59,628
- It is, David.
629
00:32:00,629 --> 00:32:03,423
- You will make a fool
of yourself by printing this.
630
00:32:03,423 --> 00:32:06,009
- Mm-hmm, so you're the good cop, David?
631
00:32:06,009 --> 00:32:08,053
- [chuckles] No.
632
00:32:09,179 --> 00:32:10,681
I'm just trying to figure out
633
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,392
how we could have arrived at a place
634
00:32:13,392 --> 00:32:16,812
where The Journal is considering
publication of an article
635
00:32:16,812 --> 00:32:20,065
I know to be false, misleading,
636
00:32:20,065 --> 00:32:21,775
and unfair
637
00:32:21,775 --> 00:32:23,986
and threatens to disclose information
638
00:32:23,986 --> 00:32:27,072
that Theranos rigorously protects
639
00:32:27,072 --> 00:32:29,157
as trade secrets.
640
00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:33,996
Do you really believe
that all the recognition
641
00:32:33,996 --> 00:32:37,624
by the academic, scientific,
and healthcare communities
642
00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:40,794
of Theranos' achievements is wrong?
643
00:32:40,794 --> 00:32:44,381
That every previous published report
about Theranos,
644
00:32:44,381 --> 00:32:46,466
including in The Journal itself,
645
00:32:46,466 --> 00:32:50,512
has been the result
of misleading manipulation
646
00:32:50,512 --> 00:32:51,763
by the company?
647
00:32:52,973 --> 00:32:54,308
Wow.
648
00:32:54,808 --> 00:32:57,144
If it were true, that's a powerful story.
649
00:32:58,103 --> 00:32:59,813
Why would you let a story like that go?
650
00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:02,608
Why would you check it thoroughly?
651
00:33:03,483 --> 00:33:06,570
That would be a career-defining story.
652
00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:09,615
The only problem is
653
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:13,368
none of it is true.
654
00:33:13,368 --> 00:33:16,288
♪
655
00:33:16,288 --> 00:33:19,041
♪
656
00:33:19,041 --> 00:33:21,460
♪
657
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:23,295
- Then why don't you answer my questions?
658
00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:29,218
[clears throat]
659
00:33:29,218 --> 00:33:32,012
I just want to know--
BOIES: Here's what I want to know, John.
660
00:33:32,012 --> 00:33:34,431
What about your conduct in Arizona?
661
00:33:34,431 --> 00:33:36,725
What you were doing
down there with those doctors
662
00:33:36,725 --> 00:33:39,269
was nothing short of yellow journalism.
663
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:41,230
- Oh, David, where'd the good cop go?
- Yellow journalism?
664
00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:43,649
- You were asking those doctors
loaded questions.
665
00:33:43,649 --> 00:33:44,733
- Okay, here's a loaded question.
666
00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,694
If Theranos has new technology,
what is it?
667
00:33:47,694 --> 00:33:49,905
- Okay, so you want us to give you
the formula for Coke
668
00:33:49,905 --> 00:33:51,240
so that we can--
669
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,574
- Nobody's asking
for the formula for Coke.
670
00:33:52,574 --> 00:33:55,410
- By the way, I like Pepsi.
- Okay. Just answer.
671
00:33:56,036 --> 00:33:59,373
Does Theranos use fingerstick samples
in their technology or not?
672
00:33:59,373 --> 00:34:00,499
- That's a trade secret.
JOHN: Yes or no. Okay.
673
00:34:00,499 --> 00:34:01,500
LINDA: That is a trade secret.
674
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:03,627
- How about this?
This is another easy one.
675
00:34:03,627 --> 00:34:06,046
Are you using Siemens machines
in your labs?
676
00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:08,465
- Yes, but for comparison purposes only.
677
00:34:08,465 --> 00:34:09,466
- So you acknowledge you have them?
678
00:34:09,466 --> 00:34:11,552
- For comparison purposes.
679
00:34:11,552 --> 00:34:12,678
- You're grasping at straws--
680
00:34:12,678 --> 00:34:14,638
- She said, for comparison purposes.
Move on.
681
00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:18,183
- Just... walk me through
some of the language
682
00:34:18,183 --> 00:34:19,643
that's been changed recently
on the website.
683
00:34:19,643 --> 00:34:21,311
- Oh, language on the website?
684
00:34:21,311 --> 00:34:25,899
- The phrase, "Many of our tests
only require a few drops of blood."
685
00:34:25,899 --> 00:34:27,651
That phrase was recently deleted.
686
00:34:27,651 --> 00:34:29,528
- Yes, for marketing accuracy.
687
00:34:32,865 --> 00:34:33,991
- Accuracy?
688
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:37,536
So you characterize
the language before as inaccurate?
689
00:34:37,536 --> 00:34:38,495
- Alright.
690
00:34:39,121 --> 00:34:41,874
We will acknowledge
that not every blood test
691
00:34:41,874 --> 00:34:44,376
is run on proprietary technology,
692
00:34:44,376 --> 00:34:47,045
but they're transitioning.
693
00:34:47,045 --> 00:34:49,965
It's a transitional process. A journey.
694
00:34:51,592 --> 00:34:52,759
- A journey.
695
00:34:55,721 --> 00:34:57,014
- A journey.
696
00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:00,142
- Alright. This meeting's over.
697
00:35:00,142 --> 00:35:02,853
- W-- well, it's only been four hours.
698
00:35:02,853 --> 00:35:03,770
I mean--
699
00:35:09,651 --> 00:35:13,614
♪
700
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:18,785
- Oh my god, holy shit.
701
00:35:19,953 --> 00:35:21,872
- They admitted to using
third-party analyzers.
702
00:35:21,872 --> 00:35:22,748
- They sure did.
703
00:35:22,748 --> 00:35:25,083
- Yeah. After months of saying
they don't use third-party analyzers.
704
00:35:25,083 --> 00:35:26,668
- They sure did.
- So, Judith...
705
00:35:27,794 --> 00:35:29,588
is this--
- Bam!
706
00:35:30,172 --> 00:35:34,635
[both laugh]
707
00:35:39,264 --> 00:35:41,934
- Elizabeth, they're running it.
708
00:35:41,934 --> 00:35:43,602
- So when will it come out?
709
00:35:44,228 --> 00:35:46,271
ELIZABETH:
Uh, I don't know. Soon.
710
00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:50,526
I spoke to Rupert and asked him
to kill the story, but, uh--
711
00:35:50,526 --> 00:35:52,361
- You asked Rupert Murdoch
712
00:35:53,362 --> 00:35:55,989
to kill a story in
The Wall Street Journal for you?
713
00:35:55,989 --> 00:35:57,449
- Of course.
714
00:35:57,449 --> 00:35:58,867
He told me that his hands are tied.
715
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:03,038
I don't understand why
he can't just make a phone call.
716
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:04,873
- How bad will it be?
717
00:36:05,999 --> 00:36:07,417
- Nothing we can't handle.
718
00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:12,506
George...
719
00:36:13,298 --> 00:36:15,843
I want to know that I have your support.
720
00:36:15,843 --> 00:36:17,344
[sighs]
721
00:36:18,428 --> 00:36:19,680
- I hear
722
00:36:21,682 --> 00:36:26,728
you're joining the Harvard Medical School
Board of Fellows.
723
00:36:27,312 --> 00:36:30,357
Congratulations. You must be riding high.
724
00:36:31,942 --> 00:36:34,611
- I know! A college dropout
joining the board
725
00:36:34,611 --> 00:36:36,864
of a Harvard Medical School.
726
00:36:37,865 --> 00:36:39,867
Obviously, Harvard's support
of our company
727
00:36:39,867 --> 00:36:42,870
means more to me than a reporter
who doesn't understand.
728
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:44,246
- Elizabeth...
729
00:36:45,956 --> 00:36:47,708
I've worked for two presidents,
730
00:36:49,334 --> 00:36:50,836
Nixon and Reagan,
731
00:36:52,546 --> 00:36:54,214
who made bad decisions.
732
00:36:56,091 --> 00:36:57,509
Nixon, more so.
733
00:36:59,011 --> 00:37:00,137
But Reagan
734
00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:05,017
got mixed up in the Iran-Contra affair,
735
00:37:06,852 --> 00:37:08,729
and it hurt his legacy.
736
00:37:09,271 --> 00:37:10,647
He was a great man.
737
00:37:13,317 --> 00:37:15,527
But he started listening
to the wrong people.
738
00:37:16,653 --> 00:37:20,532
It's easy to make the mistake
of listening to the wrong people.
739
00:37:22,242 --> 00:37:23,785
If mistakes were made...
740
00:37:25,704 --> 00:37:28,373
I think it might be time
to consider whether you have
741
00:37:28,373 --> 00:37:30,083
the right people around you.
742
00:37:34,129 --> 00:37:36,381
If Sunny is the right person.
743
00:37:43,805 --> 00:37:46,725
- Baby, how did it go with George?
744
00:37:52,064 --> 00:37:54,274
I said, how did it go with George?
745
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,986
- I have to pack for my Harvard Board
dinner tonight and I don't--
746
00:37:57,986 --> 00:37:59,279
SUNNY: I laid out your clothes.
747
00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:01,073
- Yeah, I don't want to wear
what you picked out.
748
00:38:01,073 --> 00:38:02,366
SUNNY: Just wear it, why don't you?
749
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,378
- I don't know what
I'm supposed to fucking do.
750
00:38:14,378 --> 00:38:15,921
I don't even know
when it's going to come out.
751
00:38:15,921 --> 00:38:17,172
I don't know what it's going to say.
752
00:38:18,674 --> 00:38:20,133
You should have protected me.
753
00:38:21,051 --> 00:38:21,969
- Okay.
754
00:38:22,511 --> 00:38:23,554
I see.
755
00:38:25,097 --> 00:38:26,515
George told you to blame me.
756
00:38:28,642 --> 00:38:30,602
That's what you're going to do?
You're going to blame me?
757
00:38:30,602 --> 00:38:31,687
- No.
758
00:38:32,396 --> 00:38:33,814
Of course not.
759
00:38:35,232 --> 00:38:37,150
I have to meet the jet.
760
00:38:43,574 --> 00:38:45,701
- Because I know everything that you know.
761
00:38:45,701 --> 00:38:47,661
[zipping suitcase]
- What?
762
00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:51,874
- You were on all of those e-mails.
763
00:39:02,009 --> 00:39:03,218
- Well, I'm the CEO.
764
00:39:05,012 --> 00:39:07,222
And I don't always read all of my e-mails.
765
00:39:08,515 --> 00:39:10,142
[zipper closing]
766
00:39:15,063 --> 00:39:16,398
I love you, Tiger.
767
00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:20,986
I miss you already.
768
00:39:22,946 --> 00:39:23,989
- Miss you too.
769
00:39:28,577 --> 00:39:29,745
[buzzing]
770
00:39:36,502 --> 00:39:38,212
- Richard.
RICHARD: They killed it.
771
00:39:38,212 --> 00:39:39,546
It's dead.
772
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:42,007
You fucked it up.
773
00:39:43,008 --> 00:39:44,593
I knew it.
774
00:39:44,593 --> 00:39:47,054
You got cocky and you fucked it up.
775
00:39:47,054 --> 00:39:49,181
I'm taking it somewhere else.
776
00:39:49,181 --> 00:39:51,266
- [winces]
It's too late for that.
777
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:54,102
- Oh, is that right?
Is that what you think?
778
00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,772
Hah. No way, buddy. No way!
779
00:39:56,772 --> 00:39:59,733
- It's running tonight, buddy.
780
00:40:01,026 --> 00:40:03,403
- Tonight? What? The--
JOHN: Mm-hmm.
781
00:40:04,029 --> 00:40:05,197
RICHARD: Really?
782
00:40:06,365 --> 00:40:07,491
Yes!
783
00:40:07,908 --> 00:40:09,409
That's, uh, good.
784
00:40:10,327 --> 00:40:12,454
That's good. You, you got it done.
785
00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:14,706
- Yeah, well, you're welcome.
786
00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:16,917
- Oh, what, am I supposed to thank you?
787
00:40:16,917 --> 00:40:18,669
I gave it to you on a plate.
788
00:40:19,962 --> 00:40:21,839
- I hope you can go out tonight,
have a drink,
789
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:23,090
celebrate with your family.
790
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:24,800
- With my family.
791
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,426
Uh, good.
792
00:40:26,426 --> 00:40:29,721
Uh, well, uh, goodbye.
793
00:40:29,721 --> 00:40:31,598
If, if you get anything wrong,
I'll call you.
794
00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:34,685
- [chuckles]
I'm expecting you to. Goodnight.
795
00:40:34,685 --> 00:40:36,144
[laughs]
796
00:40:36,687 --> 00:40:38,564
- Oh yes.
797
00:40:38,939 --> 00:40:41,567
Yes! Yes! Yes!
798
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:45,195
[laughing]
799
00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:47,489
Oh! Good!
800
00:40:47,948 --> 00:40:48,991
Yes!
801
00:40:52,995 --> 00:40:54,955
Ahh. [grunts]
802
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:57,374
Oh good.
803
00:40:59,251 --> 00:41:00,544
That's done.
804
00:41:14,975 --> 00:41:17,019
- Hi. Could have a glass of water, please?
805
00:41:20,063 --> 00:41:21,481
- A whiskey with ice.
806
00:41:28,155 --> 00:41:30,407
- Phyllis, I saw you were
on the board as well.
807
00:41:30,866 --> 00:41:32,618
- I am, yes, and now you are too.
808
00:41:32,618 --> 00:41:36,330
- Yes, I'm, I'm so honored
to be asked to advise
809
00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:38,457
the dean of Medical School on strategies.
810
00:41:38,916 --> 00:41:40,250
- It is an honor.
811
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:42,544
- Yeah, it is good to see you--
812
00:41:42,544 --> 00:41:44,755
- I'm looking forward to reading
the article in the Journal.
813
00:41:45,214 --> 00:41:46,673
Yes, I know about it.
814
00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,009
I think a lot of people
will be interested in it.
815
00:41:50,302 --> 00:41:53,597
And when this becomes a scandal,
because it will become a scandal,
816
00:41:53,597 --> 00:41:56,600
what do you think happens
to all of the other women
817
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,227
who want to start companies?
818
00:41:59,394 --> 00:42:00,604
Who do they go to?
819
00:42:01,897 --> 00:42:03,524
Who's going to trust them?
820
00:42:05,192 --> 00:42:06,485
Because it's not just you.
821
00:42:08,779 --> 00:42:10,072
It's never just you.
822
00:42:12,366 --> 00:42:14,034
- It was good to see you, Phyllis.
823
00:42:14,034 --> 00:42:15,869
- Don't call me Phyllis.
I'm not Phyllis to you.
824
00:42:15,869 --> 00:42:16,995
I'm Dr. Gardner.
825
00:42:26,213 --> 00:42:28,006
[cell phone chimes]
826
00:42:45,232 --> 00:42:48,235
[chiming continues]
827
00:42:48,235 --> 00:42:50,195
♪ dramatic music ♪
828
00:42:53,699 --> 00:42:55,450
ELIZABETH: You know,
I realized something last night.
829
00:42:57,202 --> 00:42:58,328
This is what happens.
830
00:42:59,997 --> 00:43:02,499
This is what happens
when you work to change things.
831
00:43:02,499 --> 00:43:04,501
First, they think you're crazy.
832
00:43:05,544 --> 00:43:06,503
And then they fight you.
833
00:43:07,713 --> 00:43:09,464
And then all of a sudden
you change the world.
834
00:43:10,299 --> 00:43:12,593
By now, you've probably seen
the article published
835
00:43:12,593 --> 00:43:15,220
about our company
in The Wall Street Journal.
836
00:43:15,971 --> 00:43:18,348
The man who wrote it, John Carreyrou,
837
00:43:18,348 --> 00:43:19,808
is a spiteful man.
838
00:43:20,684 --> 00:43:22,686
He is a sad man.
839
00:43:23,896 --> 00:43:25,731
But we are a team.
840
00:43:26,648 --> 00:43:28,650
And we will be fighting
841
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:30,485
every single
842
00:43:31,528 --> 00:43:34,156
tiny... detail.
843
00:43:34,156 --> 00:43:38,619
♪
844
00:43:39,036 --> 00:43:40,662
- Fuck you, Carreyrou!
845
00:43:41,330 --> 00:43:43,457
ALL: [chanting]
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
846
00:43:43,457 --> 00:43:45,501
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
847
00:43:45,501 --> 00:43:47,794
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
848
00:43:47,794 --> 00:43:50,130
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
849
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:52,132
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
850
00:43:52,132 --> 00:43:54,259
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
851
00:43:54,259 --> 00:43:56,303
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
852
00:43:56,303 --> 00:43:58,138
Fuck you, Carreyrou!
853
00:43:58,138 --> 00:44:02,142
♪
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