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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,436 --> 00:00:22,186 The Secret Chiefs of the Third Order are supposed 2 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:25,398 to be ascended masters. 3 00:00:26,276 --> 00:00:29,146 And the idea there is they 4 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:35,414 are human beings who have, similar to Bodhisattvas 5 00:00:35,449 --> 00:00:37,410 in Eastern Philosophy, 6 00:00:37,412 --> 00:00:41,212 They are at a level of enlightenment that they are 7 00:00:41,247 --> 00:00:44,997 capable of going on to Buddhahood 8 00:00:45,003 --> 00:00:48,213 or whatever the western equivalent of that would be. 9 00:00:48,214 --> 00:00:52,724 But they choose to remain in order to be able to assist 10 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:56,889 other people in their development. 11 00:00:56,890 --> 00:01:02,900 You, if I had to guess, I would guess you are being guided 12 00:01:02,935 --> 00:01:04,556 by the Third Order. 13 00:02:22,976 --> 00:02:25,476 Allen Greenfield has been a ghost that has been 14 00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:27,978 hovering over this case since the very beginning. 15 00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:32,322 He's just such a big part of this case, you know? 16 00:02:34,571 --> 00:02:35,951 There he is. 17 00:02:40,285 --> 00:02:44,705 We were looking into Allen Greenfield from the very start. 18 00:02:47,041 --> 00:02:49,791 I had originally reached out to Allen when the Hellier stuff 19 00:02:49,794 --> 00:02:54,554 had first popped off because I wanted to get his impressions 20 00:02:54,589 --> 00:02:55,932 on what was going on. 21 00:02:55,967 --> 00:02:59,007 I wanted to know if he thought that Terry Wriste had actually 22 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:00,186 emailed me. 23 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:04,061 And he was of the mindset that it was probably 24 00:03:04,096 --> 00:03:05,558 a disinformation agent. 25 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:10,940 So now I've got all these ideas floating around in my head 26 00:03:10,975 --> 00:03:13,700 from people who say we're doing a magic ritual. 27 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:17,695 I think if there's anyone we're doing a magic ritual for it would probably 28 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:20,197 be Greenfield, right? 29 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:26,580 So we're getting ready to go and meet him for the first time. 30 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:31,211 And really see what he thinks about this case. 31 00:03:37,258 --> 00:03:40,508 I would love to get your opinion on what you think was happening 32 00:03:40,511 --> 00:03:44,641 to us in Hellier. What is still happening to us with this case. 33 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,353 What do you think is going on? 34 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:57,201 Speculation based on experience. And that's the way I will label this. 35 00:03:57,236 --> 00:04:01,945 I think you were guided at every step of the way 36 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:06,410 and those steps are not concluded yet. 37 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:10,506 I think you are being led towards something 38 00:04:10,541 --> 00:04:16,381 if I had to guess at what it was it was to access to a greater public 39 00:04:16,416 --> 00:04:19,131 the very things that we've been discussing here. 40 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:24,473 I did some of the, what people who don't understand Qabalah 41 00:04:24,508 --> 00:04:26,814 call numerology with it, 42 00:04:26,849 --> 00:04:31,439 and the number which is a key to those people who fancy themselves 43 00:04:31,474 --> 00:04:36,607 magicians, 93, shows up repeatedly and with gusto. 44 00:04:36,609 --> 00:04:42,779 Along with several other suggestions that, just the name Hellier 45 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:47,210 contained, and it took me about 30 seconds, 46 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:53,415 to come up with a list which I sent to you because I felt it was very significant. 47 00:04:53,418 --> 00:04:57,918 So according to Greenfield the number 93 is what Hellier equals 48 00:04:57,922 --> 00:05:02,342 out to. And to him, that seemed extremely significant. 49 00:05:02,377 --> 00:05:06,762 He typically takes funny names-- he says, "funny names"-- 50 00:05:06,764 --> 00:05:08,439 and he runs them through the cipher. 51 00:05:08,474 --> 00:05:13,984 So those can be names of weird towns, alien contactee names, things like that. 52 00:05:14,605 --> 00:05:17,475 So the first thing he does is he throws "Hellier" into the cipher, 53 00:05:17,483 --> 00:05:19,575 and he gets the value of 93. 54 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:22,160 Immediately that makes him perk up 55 00:05:22,195 --> 00:05:23,775 because he was a Thelemite 56 00:05:23,781 --> 00:05:26,781 and Thelemites, following the work of Aleister Crowley, 57 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,961 the number 93 is a sacred number to them. 58 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:33,246 It means "love" and "will", two things that are very important 59 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:35,341 in Crowley's system. 60 00:05:35,376 --> 00:05:41,046 He says that the name Hellier equals out to like 61 00:05:41,049 --> 00:05:43,683 words like "Babylon" and "Christ." 62 00:05:43,718 --> 00:05:47,638 "Christ" stuck out to me immediately because David Christie is the name 63 00:05:47,673 --> 00:05:49,968 of the guy who experienced the goblins. 64 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:54,314 Greenfield said "Hellier" was an extremely rich yield. 65 00:05:55,646 --> 00:05:57,646 Let's talk about that for a second because that was one of my 66 00:05:57,648 --> 00:06:03,028 other questions. Hellier resonated with the magical community 67 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:05,121 in a way that none of us expected. 68 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:07,696 We had no clue it would resonate with them. 69 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:11,461 We feel like they saw something in it that maybe we didn't. 70 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:17,086 And a lot of them have come to us and said, sometimes in so many words 71 00:06:17,121 --> 00:06:20,545 "you guys realize you're doing an initiation, right?" 72 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:24,296 "you realize you're doing some kind of a ritual?" 73 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:30,355 As a magician, is that something that you see happening? 74 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:36,980 And if that's the case, who do you think could be doing that? 75 00:06:37,015 --> 00:06:39,072 And to what purpose? 76 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:43,187 If it is a ritual of some kind, should we stop? 77 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:48,074 Well my opinion is you should keep going until you reach a point where you 78 00:06:48,109 --> 00:06:52,504 feel that it is detrimental to your physical and emotional health, 79 00:06:52,539 --> 00:06:54,655 And that of your companions. 80 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:59,841 Yeah, I had not thought of the term initiation, but I think it is 81 00:06:59,876 --> 00:07:01,336 a magical process. 82 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:05,047 Again, the Campbell thing. The hero's return. 83 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,144 The hero goes, encounters the numinous, and 84 00:07:10,179 --> 00:07:15,479 the frightful, and then returns the better being at some point. 85 00:07:15,514 --> 00:07:18,861 But that might be 20 years. Or 40 years. 86 00:07:18,896 --> 00:07:23,726 Or it might be an hour and a half. Or it might be tonight. 87 00:07:23,734 --> 00:07:25,798 I can't predict that. 88 00:07:25,833 --> 00:07:27,863 Who? Who is behind it? 89 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:30,784 Probably "what?" is a better question to ask. 90 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:36,578 And I think whatever the source of these phenomena 91 00:07:36,613 --> 00:07:41,997 is or are, I'm not sure if it's multiple or singular, 92 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:46,859 it's designed I think to bring people who are involved in it 93 00:07:46,894 --> 00:07:51,716 to a higher level of understanding of the nature of reality. 94 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:53,813 You mentioned earlier, 95 00:07:53,848 --> 00:07:58,518 you were initially hesitant to say that it would have been Terry 96 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:00,349 that had contacted us. 97 00:08:00,354 --> 00:08:03,364 I think even in the original emails that we exchanged, 98 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:06,859 you even said that it could be a disinformation agent of some kind. 99 00:08:06,861 --> 00:08:10,821 - Mmhm - And how do you feel about that now? 100 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:16,199 I'm more inclined to think that it is the guy that calls himself Terry R. Wriste 101 00:08:16,234 --> 00:08:21,575 and the reason that I'm inclined to think that is because I tend to associate 102 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:29,434 productive, path-initiating phenomena 103 00:08:29,884 --> 00:08:35,184 with authenticity. And what Terry had to say to me, 104 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:41,277 and hopefully what I said to him, was as authentic as it gets. 105 00:08:41,312 --> 00:08:45,322 - Do you think Terry is still kicking? Do you think he is still around? 106 00:08:45,357 --> 00:08:52,776 - He should be. He would be... 75. 107 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:56,662 I would say he's almost certainly still around. And when you got 108 00:08:56,697 --> 00:09:00,291 that letter, I'm reasonably sure he was still around. 109 00:09:00,326 --> 00:09:02,882 I haven't heard from him in years. 110 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:06,207 - Do you think there is a way we could contact him? 111 00:09:08,756 --> 00:09:13,836 You look into that in an episode 112 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:16,771 and ask him to get in contact with you. 113 00:09:16,806 --> 00:09:23,766 But you better talk to me off camera about having like a codeword or something. 114 00:09:23,771 --> 00:09:28,591 Because otherwise everybody and their cousin who is a trickster... 115 00:09:28,626 --> 00:09:33,411 I mean, Gray and Jim have gone on to that great saucer in the sky, 116 00:09:33,446 --> 00:09:36,616 but there are other tricksters out there waiting. 117 00:09:36,617 --> 00:09:40,367 And you want to distinguish Terry from somebody else. 118 00:09:40,371 --> 00:09:41,911 He might even tell you his name. 119 00:09:41,914 --> 00:09:46,964 I don't know, because I haven't been involved in some of the "sports" 120 00:09:46,999 --> 00:09:50,131 that we were involved in way back when. 121 00:09:50,923 --> 00:09:56,761 Do you have any insight into his sort of strange spelling, 122 00:09:56,796 --> 00:10:02,600 his seemingly intentional misspellings? The way he writes in sort of 123 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:04,485 that broken code? 124 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,980 - It is significant, "hell," "ier." 125 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:14,033 Let's run that through the secret cipher of the UFOnauts. 126 00:10:14,068 --> 00:10:19,620 And we'll see. If you take it as two separate words, 127 00:10:19,655 --> 00:10:21,659 if it yields some different results. 128 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:25,079 That's wild guessing, and unlikely, 129 00:10:25,082 --> 00:10:29,632 but "Hell" is an interesting thing because that was the first thing that I noticed. 130 00:10:29,667 --> 00:10:32,471 'They're going to "Hell"..."ier."' 131 00:10:32,506 --> 00:10:35,006 Going to the underworld. Part of the Hero's Journey, right? 132 00:10:35,009 --> 00:10:36,009 - Yep. 133 00:10:37,803 --> 00:10:44,603 - When we started this project we emailed both David and Terry. 134 00:10:44,638 --> 00:10:46,902 And both of the email addresses bounced. 135 00:10:46,937 --> 00:10:51,687 They were either deactivated, or discarded somehow. 136 00:10:51,692 --> 00:10:55,952 We got nothing back. We got the "mailer daemon" that emails back. 137 00:10:56,697 --> 00:11:01,407 I just... this is an impressionistic thing it's not based on anything. 138 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:06,250 I know Terry spent some time in Canada. I believe that was mentioned in 139 00:11:06,285 --> 00:11:07,748 one of the interviews, wasn't it? 140 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:10,500 That he went to one of the medicine wheels? 141 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,630 The big... medicine wheel? Wyoming, I thought? 142 00:11:14,632 --> 00:11:16,632 - It might have been, I don't know 143 00:11:16,634 --> 00:11:20,644 but I know it was at a summer or winter solstice. 144 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,928 And we're about to hit a summer solstice. 145 00:11:22,932 --> 00:11:26,852 Yeah. He was doing a Sirius ritual... something something. 146 00:11:26,887 --> 00:11:30,696 - Yeah, well, he was very into that. But so am I really. 147 00:11:30,731 --> 00:11:34,861 But it's just not something that I obsess on, because I don't think 148 00:11:34,896 --> 00:11:41,740 Sirius, is a, well he said it himself... it's a blue star. 149 00:11:41,742 --> 00:11:44,752 That means it's a hot, relatively new star. 150 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:51,337 So it's unlikely, even if you accept extraterrestrial notions, 151 00:11:51,372 --> 00:11:54,720 it's unlikely to be a home base. 152 00:11:54,755 --> 00:11:58,795 - Well one of the interesting things about that email address is that 153 00:11:58,801 --> 00:12:02,351 David's is still inactive but Terry's was reactivated. 154 00:12:03,347 --> 00:12:05,677 - Same account? - Same account. 155 00:12:06,142 --> 00:12:09,102 - It sounds like him. It sounds like his M.O. 156 00:12:09,103 --> 00:12:14,023 And also, and this is again guessing, 157 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:16,364 I think he wants to meet you. 158 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:21,276 On his terms, in his time. 159 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:24,702 He's probably gonna... you're gonna be led to this 160 00:12:24,737 --> 00:12:27,670 or that location and he's going to be there. 161 00:12:27,705 --> 00:12:31,625 Whether he will play games with you or not I don't know. 162 00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:36,375 Games would be... he pumps the gas into your car. 163 00:12:37,923 --> 00:12:42,183 And he's wearing an out of date Sinclair uniform, or something. 164 00:12:42,218 --> 00:12:45,312 That's his type of thing. 165 00:12:45,347 --> 00:12:49,516 this is the unedited, true coordinates. 166 00:12:49,551 --> 00:12:53,685 And this is a more deciphered version if that helps. 167 00:12:54,857 --> 00:13:00,487 And those are the numbers. 168 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:04,830 Does the number 31 hold any significance to you? 169 00:13:04,865 --> 00:13:06,485 - Of course it does. 170 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:12,289 I edited Frater Achad's "Liber 31." The only authorized edition 171 00:13:12,291 --> 00:13:14,341 of it ever published. 172 00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:20,472 What do you think of the significance of having a "31" on 173 00:13:20,507 --> 00:13:22,676 this? I mean it's huge. 174 00:13:24,845 --> 00:13:29,225 - I think he's trying to convey knowledge of 175 00:13:30,184 --> 00:13:36,234 magical ritual, or it's trying to display knowledge 176 00:13:36,269 --> 00:13:37,406 of magical ritual. 177 00:13:37,441 --> 00:13:41,111 Or knowledge of me, or knowledge of Frater Achad, 178 00:13:41,146 --> 00:13:42,201 who was Canadian. 179 00:13:42,404 --> 00:13:47,834 31 is a number also that has the kind of magical significance 180 00:13:47,869 --> 00:13:51,117 that, it's like 93. It's one of those numbers that 181 00:13:51,121 --> 00:13:56,251 shows up in magical patterns, mostly in Thelemic circles. 182 00:13:56,252 --> 00:14:04,222 It has to do with 777... 31... Liber 31, it was a book... 183 00:14:05,719 --> 00:14:08,759 Terry was a numbers cruncher. 184 00:14:09,306 --> 00:14:14,266 And also a much more technically adroit person than I am. 185 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:19,360 I mean, I can turn on a computer. And as long as it works, I'm fine. 186 00:14:19,395 --> 00:14:23,198 He was familiar with what would come to be called hacking. 187 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:25,454 Very familiar. 188 00:14:25,489 --> 00:14:29,909 So these numbers, right, were sort of something that had 189 00:14:29,910 --> 00:14:33,183 crossed Greg's mind I'm sure thousands of times now 190 00:14:33,218 --> 00:14:36,456 as we've gone through over the last 6 or 7 years. 191 00:14:36,458 --> 00:14:39,168 One of the other things I did before I tell you the other search 192 00:14:39,169 --> 00:14:40,919 is you break down the numbers, 193 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:43,970 no matter what quadrant you split the numbers into 194 00:14:44,005 --> 00:14:47,966 they all become either 3 or 9. - 93. 195 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:51,520 - Which is... interesting - Hellier. 196 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,560 You are adding to the credential. 197 00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:59,023 You are still set on a path, and there's got to be some reasoning 198 00:14:59,058 --> 00:15:02,943 involved because there is this type of lineal stuff. 199 00:15:03,819 --> 00:15:10,949 It takes a pretty good amount of trouble to concoct something. 200 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:16,961 Well it looks like there's a sophisticated construct 201 00:15:16,996 --> 00:15:20,037 built on stuff that I would understand, 202 00:15:20,544 --> 00:15:23,554 apparently you understood it. But, I mean 203 00:15:23,589 --> 00:15:27,339 do you know that 93 is a significant number to Thelemites? 204 00:15:27,343 --> 00:15:28,976 Which I'm not, anymore, but 205 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:31,145 Back then I wouldn't have, absolutely not. 206 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:34,231 I mean that's what's always confused me. Is this idea that 207 00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:37,646 these dumb kids with a dumb website, "Ghost Hunters Incorporated" 208 00:15:37,681 --> 00:15:40,855 or me in particular. Like, I was a ghost hunter. 209 00:15:40,856 --> 00:15:45,986 At the time that this stuff arrived I had no context for any of this stuff. 210 00:15:46,021 --> 00:15:47,661 I do now. 211 00:15:47,696 --> 00:15:51,326 I've learned stuff now in the last two years in particular 212 00:15:51,361 --> 00:15:54,035 that I never would have known. 213 00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:56,536 I'd never have any impetus to figure out. 214 00:15:56,538 --> 00:16:00,208 - Well there's a jargon in Thelemic circles 215 00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:04,712 that, you would have to be in those circles. 216 00:16:04,747 --> 00:16:09,215 Because nobody writes books about those circles. 217 00:16:09,218 --> 00:16:13,758 Those are immediately recognizable to me, I always thought 218 00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:19,652 that it was a little goofy to do that. 219 00:16:19,687 --> 00:16:23,437 You know? It's like, Thelemites will great each other with "93." 220 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,110 "93," "93" "love and will" 221 00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:32,949 both add to 93 in some kind of qabalah, not English qabalah. 222 00:16:33,742 --> 00:16:37,412 - Is there something that you think we should take a closer look at? 223 00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:41,333 Because, again, we didn't really find anything significant. 224 00:16:41,368 --> 00:16:45,383 I mean, maybe they're not GPS coordinates, but... 225 00:16:46,463 --> 00:16:50,133 - No, my guess is it's not GPS coordinates, my guess 226 00:16:50,134 --> 00:16:51,684 is that it's a code. 227 00:16:52,636 --> 00:16:56,966 And I'm not a codebreaker, notwithstanding what I've 228 00:16:56,974 --> 00:17:02,040 written on. And I'm perfectly willing to take the number 229 00:17:02,075 --> 00:17:07,107 and look. I don't even think the S-L-U-F is the pejorative 230 00:17:07,109 --> 00:17:09,109 term because there was another pejorative term 231 00:17:09,111 --> 00:17:13,161 that is similar to that, that was actually very commonly used 232 00:17:13,196 --> 00:17:18,077 Vietnam era. I speak from direct knowledge. 233 00:17:18,078 --> 00:17:22,328 - So one of the things that you talk about in Secret Cipher 234 00:17:22,332 --> 00:17:26,752 is Terry discusses meeting Indrid Cold. 235 00:17:26,754 --> 00:17:30,509 He said that he used the cipher to find clues. 236 00:17:30,544 --> 00:17:34,264 To find out where Indrid was living at the time. 237 00:17:34,299 --> 00:17:35,301 And he described him. 238 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:38,269 Do you know the name of the town where that happened? 239 00:17:38,515 --> 00:17:40,675 Because I know he didn't want to talk about it... 240 00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:43,645 - I'm going to embarrass myself here. 241 00:17:44,313 --> 00:17:46,233 I was told, I don't remember. 242 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:52,152 I do remember that it was on the, on the Ohio river. 243 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:58,374 Further South than the, for lack of a better term, mothman area, 244 00:17:58,409 --> 00:18:00,502 south of Point Pleasant. 245 00:18:00,537 --> 00:18:03,787 But I don't remember the name of the town. It was a little town. 246 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:07,247 The name of the town was Ashland. 247 00:18:07,252 --> 00:18:09,302 Does that sound familiar? - Yes. 248 00:18:12,299 --> 00:18:18,179 - Can you show me on a map? I mean I wouldn't swear by it because... 249 00:18:19,306 --> 00:18:22,676 Do you know or remember the general kind of timeframe 250 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:25,560 that Terry might have been pursuing these 251 00:18:25,562 --> 00:18:27,654 mothman connections in cipher 6? 252 00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:34,659 It would have to be after the encounter with the guy 253 00:18:34,694 --> 00:18:39,615 that wrote that kind of crazy book. 254 00:18:40,369 --> 00:18:43,519 but when you talked to him in what '94 or whatever, you 255 00:18:43,554 --> 00:18:46,669 didn't get the impression that it was super recent to that? 256 00:18:46,704 --> 00:18:49,457 Or particularly long before that? - No, no. 257 00:18:50,295 --> 00:18:51,915 I had the impression that it was 258 00:18:57,344 --> 00:19:01,434 long before that. Long before I had any 259 00:19:01,469 --> 00:19:04,191 involvement with Terry. 260 00:19:04,226 --> 00:19:08,686 Probably in the late 60's, early 70's. 261 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,189 That's a guess, I didn't ask. 262 00:19:11,733 --> 00:19:15,903 Again, getting him to sit down for a couple of interviews 263 00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:19,954 was major coup. Because he was not the interview type. 264 00:19:20,617 --> 00:19:23,241 I didn't want to put words in Greenfield's mouth. 265 00:19:23,276 --> 00:19:25,865 But for him to say the late 60's or early 70's, 266 00:19:26,248 --> 00:19:29,248 Definitely seemed to match. The 60's doesn't really make too much 267 00:19:29,251 --> 00:19:31,961 sense, the mothman story was still happening, Vietnam was 268 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:35,762 still happening, but the 70's pegs everything. 269 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:38,505 Woody Derenberger's book came out in '71, 270 00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:41,045 The Mothman Prophecies came out in '75. 271 00:19:41,471 --> 00:19:46,771 Cipher 6 was broken by the occult community in 1974, allowing them 272 00:19:46,806 --> 00:19:49,978 to apply the secret cipher of the UFOnauts that Greenfield 273 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:55,242 theorizes about. And the Wagon Wheel Restaurant was open from '74 to '78. 274 00:19:55,277 --> 00:20:00,197 So for Greenfield to say the '70's, that's very specifically the window that we 275 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:01,739 were looking at with Terry. 276 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:07,084 [Greg[ What would you say to someone who said, "well it's obvious: 277 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Allen Greenfield is Terry Wriste."? 278 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,831 - No, that's nonsense. 279 00:20:12,836 --> 00:20:18,296 Part of the... that got a lot of publicity because 280 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,090 of the name, at the very beginning. 281 00:20:21,094 --> 00:20:25,898 But I mean people around here knew him. I can refer you to - 282 00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:28,443 well I don't know if they'd talk to you because they're all political 283 00:20:28,478 --> 00:20:32,145 people, most of them no longer active in that kind of 284 00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:36,491 circle and caring to do that. But it wasn't like I knew him 285 00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:40,316 privately away from these other people, it was a whole affinity group 286 00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:42,622 that he was known by. 287 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:45,994 And if he were me, then he lived a much more adventurous life 288 00:20:46,029 --> 00:20:47,874 than I've lived. 289 00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:51,748 I went into that interview thinking that Allen Greenfield 290 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:54,040 could very well be Terry Wriste. 291 00:20:54,628 --> 00:20:59,088 I did not feel that way when we left. I just didn't see it. 292 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:03,848 Going into the meeting I was half convinced that we were about 293 00:21:03,883 --> 00:21:05,135 to meet Terry Wriste. 294 00:21:05,514 --> 00:21:11,944 That it's an individual Greenfield created himself, and sort of pretended 295 00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:15,017 to have an interview with himself in the back of his book, 296 00:21:15,565 --> 00:21:19,815 so that he could get out some information more about his footwork 297 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:20,820 that he has been doing. 298 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,290 But after the interview, and after we had done research 299 00:21:26,325 --> 00:21:27,785 on things like Ashland, 300 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:32,710 it's pretty clear to me that Terry is a separate individual. 301 00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:35,963 Greenfield pointed something out. 302 00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:41,338 That brought us back to some of the information that Terry was talking about. 303 00:21:42,009 --> 00:21:45,849 Where's he's saying that he believes that this case is being guided 304 00:21:45,884 --> 00:21:48,926 by the Secret Chiefs of the Third Order. 305 00:21:49,433 --> 00:21:53,313 The Third Order is supposed to be totally benevolent and like that 306 00:21:53,348 --> 00:21:59,482 although they can be pretty severe. You, if I had to guess, 307 00:21:59,484 --> 00:22:02,074 I would guess you're being guided by the Third Order. 308 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:09,376 It's a term out of the AA / Golden Dawn universe. 309 00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:13,809 Given what you know of the Third Order, if that hypothesis, which I 310 00:22:13,844 --> 00:22:18,208 think is interesting... it hadn't really directly crossed my mind, what would 311 00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:23,801 the motivation of the Third Order be in guiding us on documenting this case? 312 00:22:23,836 --> 00:22:29,260 - To have a series of initiations. 313 00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:34,318 And an initiation is the following: 314 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:42,113 it is the creation of a crisis, and the resolution of a crisis, 315 00:22:42,148 --> 00:22:48,373 and the assimilation of that crisis resolution dialectic. 316 00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:54,288 What I think very strongly is that if you continue to do what you're doing, 317 00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:56,579 things will fall in your path. 318 00:22:56,583 --> 00:23:02,213 One of the biggest goals I think of this season is trying to contact 319 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:06,344 extraterrestrials, or ultraterrestrials for a better term, 320 00:23:07,135 --> 00:23:10,425 would you recommend it? Is that a wise thing to try and attempt? 321 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:17,310 - You seem to have a freak-out level that's just over the horizon. 322 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:24,572 and nothing can freak you out more than that kind of 323 00:23:24,607 --> 00:23:27,069 contact because it's never what you expect. 324 00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:38,883 About six years ago I got this idea. 325 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:43,961 Whether it's a good idea or a bad idea you can tell me. 326 00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:50,679 That we might be able to instigate an alien abduction. 327 00:23:50,714 --> 00:23:53,969 It worked in an interesting way. 328 00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:59,654 I've felt now for the last few years that there's a nonphysical aspect 329 00:23:59,689 --> 00:24:01,186 to abduction experiences. 330 00:24:01,189 --> 00:24:03,479 Is that something that you think would be accurate? 331 00:24:03,483 --> 00:24:04,363 - Yeah. 332 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:10,446 I think that there's a place that people go, that their body can still be here 333 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:13,489 but on some other place on some other plane, they're going through 334 00:24:13,493 --> 00:24:14,243 something. 335 00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:16,664 They're meeting somebody they're having some sort of an experience 336 00:24:16,699 --> 00:24:19,373 that is just as real as anything that is in this room. 337 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:28,180 So we thought, what if we do the reverse of a regression session. 338 00:24:28,215 --> 00:24:31,885 What if we instead put this idea in someone's head 339 00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:33,311 via hypnotism 340 00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:36,676 that they're going to go somewhere and meet someone. 341 00:24:36,683 --> 00:24:40,023 And see what happens. 342 00:24:41,104 --> 00:24:47,033 We did that. There were no leading phrases other than 343 00:24:47,068 --> 00:24:52,278 "there's a light in the sky, it's in a form you've never seen exist before, 344 00:24:52,282 --> 00:24:55,332 and you know that you're going to be taken on that light." 345 00:24:56,536 --> 00:24:59,116 It was one of the scariest things I've ever seen. 346 00:24:59,122 --> 00:25:02,542 I watched this guy, sit there, friend of mine. Wasn't supposed to be the guy 347 00:25:02,577 --> 00:25:05,962 who was supposed to go, it just happened to be him, 348 00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:11,926 and he just went somewhere else and recounted this entire experience. 349 00:25:12,802 --> 00:25:15,972 and now all of a sudden... I expected Nick to get picked 350 00:25:16,007 --> 00:25:17,647 - honestly, and now... - why do you feel nervous? 351 00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:23,402 - I don't know. My mind... I feel I don't know. Vulnerable. 352 00:25:23,437 --> 00:25:25,476 Yeah, I know I totally understand that. 353 00:25:25,482 --> 00:25:26,732 vulnerable. That's what it was. 354 00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:30,072 you are absolutely in control of yourself throughout 355 00:25:30,107 --> 00:25:31,110 this entire process. 356 00:25:31,112 --> 00:25:32,120 I cannot control you. 357 00:25:32,155 --> 00:25:35,115 Any suggestion that is given, you may freely reject. 358 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:37,867 I wouldn't give you a suggestion that I wouldn't find helpful 359 00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:39,369 or meaningful for the process. 360 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,920 - Ok. [Lonnie} Ok. 361 00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,879 Are you willing to go? - Yeah. 362 00:25:44,914 --> 00:25:46,546 - Outstanding. 363 00:25:47,128 --> 00:25:48,798 It's good to have you. - Thanks! 364 00:25:48,833 --> 00:25:49,587 Look at your hand. 365 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:52,259 Look at a spot on your hand. Look at the lines on your hand. 366 00:25:52,294 --> 00:25:53,600 As your hand draws nearer and 367 00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:56,295 nearer to your face, go ahead and focus on your eyes and as you 368 00:25:56,304 --> 00:25:58,894 focus on your eyes, allow your eyes to close. 369 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:04,404 And as you close your eyes, close your eyes. 370 00:26:04,439 --> 00:26:07,146 Let your head sink forward. 371 00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:10,568 And drift. You can ignore the environment around, 372 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:13,569 as you go ahead and drift and relax. 373 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,032 Relax in spite of all of the environment. 374 00:26:16,449 --> 00:26:19,449 Focus on my voice and only my voice. 375 00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:21,752 As you allow yourself to relax. 376 00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:27,248 Imagine you see some strange lights on the horizon. 377 00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:33,511 Lights that you can't identify as a plane or helicopter. 378 00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:37,466 Or anything that you've ever seen before. 379 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:41,473 In a pattern in which you didn't think was possible to fly. 380 00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:43,640 How many lights are there? 381 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:48,860 Four. 382 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,280 - Notice those lights coming closer and closer. 383 00:26:54,988 --> 00:26:57,778 That light comes closer and closer to the group. 384 00:26:58,241 --> 00:27:01,161 You know something is about to happen. 385 00:27:02,787 --> 00:27:09,087 Something that you may not have even thought possible before. 386 00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:13,509 But it becomes clear that this group is going to be taken. 387 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:19,599 Could you describe what happens? 388 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:28,018 - We're just... the doors. There's like a door. 389 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,073 There's like a light coming out from the inside of it. 390 00:27:34,108 --> 00:27:38,109 I don't want to go in, but... 391 00:27:38,114 --> 00:27:41,914 everybody else is going. 392 00:27:42,744 --> 00:27:46,755 It's really bright? Um. 393 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:52,500 I... I don't. I feel like I should be telling people we shouldn't do this 394 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,594 but nobody is listening. 395 00:27:57,592 --> 00:28:00,932 The light is almost blinding... like it's hurting my eyes. 396 00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:07,390 And I can't really see anything... I know that there's metal below but 397 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:13,186 I don't... wa... like I don't want to go forward but nobody is stopping. 398 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:17,200 - Is it still just you in the group or are there other things there? 399 00:28:17,235 --> 00:28:20,945 - No it's just the group. We're in a single file. 400 00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:23,829 And we're just walking. 401 00:28:24,202 --> 00:28:29,332 Down this hallway. And like I said there's nothing... it's very bright. 402 00:28:29,367 --> 00:28:33,292 we're just, single file, walking. 403 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:37,882 - Do you feel compelled to move forward or is someone guiding you? 404 00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:42,096 - I don't... I feel like I have to move forward I don't want to. 405 00:28:42,131 --> 00:28:45,385 I want to go back outside. 406 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:49,704 - Do you feel like you can turn around? 407 00:28:49,739 --> 00:28:54,019 Try to turn around now. What happens? 408 00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:56,685 - I can't. - You can't. 409 00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:00,370 Do you feel safe? 410 00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:04,615 - I don't know. Like I don't know what's happening. 411 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:08,852 - Jason I'm going to grab your arm. And hold it up. 412 00:29:08,887 --> 00:29:12,711 I'll be grabbing you at the wrist. So just relax. 413 00:29:12,746 --> 00:29:14,959 I'm grabbing you now. 414 00:29:14,961 --> 00:29:17,512 Put the arm up here and leave it there. 415 00:29:17,547 --> 00:29:27,427 Allow that arm to drop only as slowly or as quickly as time passes on that ship. 416 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:31,772 As those memories assimilate into your mind. 417 00:29:31,807 --> 00:29:35,363 Of what that group has experienced. 418 00:29:35,398 --> 00:29:43,108 And as time passes by your arm will slowly or quickly sink to your lap. 419 00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:47,751 As you acquire whatever experience that is. 420 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,786 You'll be able to relate that experience back to us. 421 00:29:52,373 --> 00:29:54,633 Very good. 422 00:29:55,084 --> 00:29:58,882 Now the group is back in that same place outside. 423 00:29:58,917 --> 00:30:02,680 A little unrattled. Take a look at your watch. 424 00:30:02,842 --> 00:30:06,852 Or your phone, or whatever time it is. What day is it? 425 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:08,926 - Sunday. 426 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:11,272 - And what day do you remember going there? 427 00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:13,481 - Thursday? 428 00:30:15,188 --> 00:30:16,978 - Is it still nighttime? Or daytime? 429 00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:18,357 - It's daytime. 430 00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:21,148 - Take a look at your group, is everyone there? 431 00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:26,365 - There's a girl missing. 432 00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:29,204 - Do you know the girl? 433 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:31,957 - No. 434 00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,665 - Does anyone else realize that someone is missing? 435 00:30:38,461 --> 00:30:39,881 - No. 436 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920 Everybody seems really confused. 437 00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:52,228 Confused. I don't... really remember a lot and my head feels weird. 438 00:30:52,892 --> 00:30:58,652 - Your head feels weird? That's because there is a wall that may have been built. 439 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:04,778 We can take a peek behind that wall if you'd like to see. 440 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:06,674 - Is it safe? 441 00:31:06,709 --> 00:31:08,195 - It's safe. 442 00:31:10,076 --> 00:31:11,696 - I guess so. 443 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:13,960 - What's behind the wall, Jason? 444 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:18,634 - It's more of that hallway. 445 00:31:19,586 --> 00:31:24,046 - More of that hallway? Could we fast forward to 446 00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:26,801 something more specific? 447 00:31:28,011 --> 00:31:31,471 - There's a lot of conveyor belts and we're just standing on them. 448 00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:34,682 And we're being moved around like cattle. 449 00:31:35,393 --> 00:31:39,943 - Are you seeing anything yet? Anything other than your fellow group members? 450 00:31:40,189 --> 00:31:42,779 - There are a lot of machines in this room. 451 00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:46,855 But nothing I recognize. 452 00:31:48,448 --> 00:31:51,488 There's some... I think there's somebody behind 453 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,830 It's like a shallow... like a thin wall. 454 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:59,170 It's lit up but all I can see is shadows. 455 00:32:00,835 --> 00:32:07,625 And they're... they're moving around but I can't see any- what they are or who 456 00:32:07,634 --> 00:32:08,434 they are. 457 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:15,059 - At any point in any of these memories can you see 458 00:32:15,094 --> 00:32:17,438 who they are? 459 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,153 - Yes 460 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:22,731 - What do they look like? 461 00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:26,776 - They're very pale. 462 00:32:28,237 --> 00:32:29,487 They look sickly. 463 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,620 But they don't seem... they're not acting sick? 464 00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:41,077 They're very quick moving. Very fluid. 465 00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:43,377 Um 466 00:32:44,253 --> 00:32:48,383 Kind of like when an octopus moves it's tentacles the motion is very much the same 467 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,474 I don't think they have bones. 468 00:32:53,388 --> 00:32:56,638 - Have they done anything to anyone in the group? 469 00:32:57,392 --> 00:33:03,772 - Yeah, there are people on tables but I don't... I can't... they've got 470 00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:07,573 I can see people's faces but I can't see what they're doing to their bodies. 471 00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:19,329 I'm worried they're going to come to me. I don't want this to happen. 472 00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:22,922 - Jason. "Grandpa." 473 00:33:25,878 --> 00:33:30,128 On the count of five I'll have you open your eyes and reorient to the room. 474 00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:32,839 One 475 00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:38,221 We're starting to notice our limbs a little bit more. 476 00:33:38,766 --> 00:33:39,726 Two 477 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:44,360 Knowing that anything that happens, you can handle it. 478 00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:48,281 It's just a matter of perspective. 479 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:49,818 Three 480 00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:58,747 You're feeling free, and grateful that you've had this experience. 481 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:01,116 Four 482 00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:05,839 Knowing that it was nice to experience Grandpa, right? 483 00:34:06,085 --> 00:34:07,455 And five 484 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:12,128 Welcome back. 485 00:34:19,265 --> 00:34:22,475 How do you feel? 486 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:32,410 We interviewed him beforehand, he did not 487 00:34:32,445 --> 00:34:34,275 believe in extraterrestrials, he didn't believe in any of that 488 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,820 type of stuff. 489 00:34:35,823 --> 00:34:39,834 We interviewed him years later, not only does he not remember 490 00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:43,999 the experience, but he's developed an intense fear of extraterrestrials 491 00:34:44,034 --> 00:34:45,788 and absolutely believes that they exist. 492 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:49,497 I'm sure you've thought of "maybe he actually already had 493 00:34:49,504 --> 00:34:51,804 an experience?" - Yeah, I mean that has gone 494 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:52,918 through my head too. 495 00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:56,093 What do you think of that as an experiment? 496 00:34:56,094 --> 00:35:00,974 Do you think that there's... so say he was not an experiencer previously. 497 00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:03,636 What do you think happened to him? 498 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:12,824 - Well, there are two fundamental possibilities. 499 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:19,029 If it was not a physical experience, 500 00:35:20,326 --> 00:35:25,156 then that tends to add credence to the notion that these experiences 501 00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:28,257 can be induced 502 00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:33,554 by a perfectly ordinary, sinister, 503 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:37,850 insensitive, cruel human being into another. 504 00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:41,255 Am I giving you the impression that I think this is unethical? 505 00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:43,231 - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I think it is. 506 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:49,396 The other, the other possibility is you tuned him in. 507 00:35:50,022 --> 00:35:54,362 Either of those could be true. Both of them cannot be true. 508 00:35:56,612 --> 00:36:02,452 You would have to have something within the experience that would validate 509 00:36:02,487 --> 00:36:06,041 one or the another. Like a word. 510 00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:10,129 "I want you to obtain a word for me." 511 00:36:10,164 --> 00:36:11,786 "They can't speak." 512 00:36:11,794 --> 00:36:18,384 "But you can imagine a word that..." Do you follow me? 513 00:36:18,419 --> 00:36:21,060 And then you run it through code again, you know? 514 00:36:21,095 --> 00:36:24,555 That is kind of the idea that our heads are in now. 515 00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:27,637 Is to try that again, but with something like that. 516 00:36:27,643 --> 00:36:31,113 To bring something back that can validate the experience. 517 00:36:32,106 --> 00:36:38,106 That's something that I think we're all interested in trying and seeing. 518 00:36:38,112 --> 00:36:39,862 Do you think that is a smart idea? 519 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:42,661 - I think it's a useful idea. 520 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:47,078 Yeah you need one validating element at least. 521 00:36:47,663 --> 00:36:51,914 That tells you this is an objectively real experience 522 00:36:51,949 --> 00:36:56,165 that he is experiencing subjectively here and now. 523 00:36:56,172 --> 00:37:03,352 - Do you have anything to say to the larger Hellier audience? 524 00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:06,846 Is there anything that you wanted to get out there? 525 00:37:08,476 --> 00:37:10,806 - Don't try this at home. 526 00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:15,903 And then after the interview we got around to talking about 527 00:37:16,525 --> 00:37:18,025 the balloons. 528 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,078 When Strand went to the coordinates 529 00:37:21,113 --> 00:37:26,043 and didn't find anything there, the only thing that was in the spot was 530 00:37:26,078 --> 00:37:29,115 this old "Happy Birthday" balloon. 531 00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:33,882 And it was significant enough that Strand put it in his backpack 532 00:37:33,917 --> 00:37:35,036 to take it with him. 533 00:37:35,419 --> 00:37:37,629 And we just thought "well that's weird." 534 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,880 A year from that date, a friend of mine 535 00:37:40,883 --> 00:37:43,683 who I haven't seen in years and years and years and years 536 00:37:43,718 --> 00:37:46,218 we're at a bar in California. 537 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:49,311 I'm sitting there talking to him and I tell him about... he's like "what 538 00:37:49,346 --> 00:37:52,400 did you guys find at the coordinates? You went to the coordinates right? 539 00:37:52,435 --> 00:37:53,305 What did you find? 540 00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:56,442 And I said "well it's weird the only thing that we found at the coordinates 541 00:37:56,477 --> 00:37:58,532 was a deflated Happy Birthday balloon. 542 00:37:58,567 --> 00:38:02,777 And the dude started to shake. And he was like "my God" he's like no no no no 543 00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:04,660 and he pulls his phone out and he shows me this video. 544 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:35,691 He finds, he's walking, hiking through this forested area, this hill, 545 00:38:35,726 --> 00:38:39,398 and this silver balloon floats down to him. 546 00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:52,198 No idea where it comes from, happens on the exact same date, 547 00:38:52,204 --> 00:38:54,505 and he's like "I was supposed to tell you that." 548 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:57,000 "Something happened. I'm supposed to tell you something." 549 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,803 "What that is, I don't know." 550 00:39:00,838 --> 00:39:03,668 Alex was convinced, he's like there's something weird about this 551 00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:07,434 he's like "you don't even understand" and he flips to his notebook and he shows 552 00:39:07,469 --> 00:39:09,638 me "Ask Greg and Dana about balloon." 553 00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:12,184 "Significance of balloon?" 554 00:39:12,558 --> 00:39:16,348 And he's like "man, I think I was supposed to show this to you." 555 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:20,864 "This is a sign. You're supposed to take these balloons seriously." 556 00:39:21,442 --> 00:39:24,572 - I give you the message again. 557 00:39:24,607 --> 00:39:25,745 You're being guided. 558 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:29,660 There may be nothing more to it. It may be somebody's birthday, 559 00:39:29,695 --> 00:39:31,038 that's significant. 560 00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:35,327 - Running the numbers later, I had told Greenfield that 561 00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:39,461 the balloons happened on the same exact date. I was like a day or two off. 562 00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:45,843 But this particular part of February was starting to show a pattern. 563 00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:50,135 That was shaping up over a span of years. 564 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:55,387 This patch of dates in February seemed important, because 565 00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:58,232 the Wriste emails came in, in this time period. 566 00:39:58,267 --> 00:40:01,030 The Amy emails came in in this time period. 567 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:04,525 And both of the balloons showed up during this time period. 568 00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:09,868 I mean, you're following a trail in the woods because there are marks on trees. 569 00:40:09,903 --> 00:40:12,865 Funny marks on trees. 570 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:18,620 Where it's leading, to a pot of gold, or to a - 571 00:40:18,624 --> 00:40:20,216 A grizzly death? 572 00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:21,801 yes, a grizzly death. 573 00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,706 that was not what I was thinking. 574 00:40:24,713 --> 00:40:30,935 Or a nuclear power plant, or a subterranean tunnel where 575 00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:37,480 aliens and humans are interacting and interacting in a very familiar pattern 576 00:40:37,515 --> 00:40:43,266 or... you don't know! But if you don't follow the path, 577 00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:46,534 if you ask "who chipped away at these trees?" 578 00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:52,279 you're missing the point. The point has got to be that the path leads somewhere. 579 00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:57,711 This is a gift to you. 580 00:40:57,746 --> 00:41:02,286 You're on the path, because if you weren't you wouldn't have these two, 581 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,970 this synchronicity. Every synchronicitytells you you're on the path. 582 00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:11,085 If the synchronicities stop, or if they become vague, then you're off the path. 583 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:18,390 On the way back from Atlanta, I realized that Somerset 584 00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:21,152 was only like half an hour out of the way. 585 00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:23,055 On our drive back to Cincinnati. 586 00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:28,815 So I suggested, if the idea is we're going to go there anyway, let's just go 587 00:41:28,819 --> 00:41:30,859 I'll show Karl and Connor the sights. 588 00:41:30,863 --> 00:41:33,664 I'll show them where Strand and I had scoped out. 589 00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:37,449 So we're driving down one of these back roads. Middle of nowhere. 590 00:41:38,412 --> 00:41:40,880 One lane dirt road. 591 00:41:40,915 --> 00:41:44,785 There's really nowhere to go or turn around on these roads. 592 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:50,181 And we have to stop. 593 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:53,256 Because there's literally a tree 594 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,640 laying over the road. We can't go anywhere. 595 00:42:06,106 --> 00:42:09,606 And the way that it crossed the road so perfectly, 596 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:13,410 and just covered the road felt so intentional 597 00:42:13,445 --> 00:42:15,565 to get our car to stop. 598 00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:20,660 So Connor and I get out of the van. 599 00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:25,293 And we walk over to see if we can move this tree. 600 00:42:25,328 --> 00:42:29,923 And as we are looking at this tree, we see a glinting 601 00:42:29,958 --> 00:42:32,556 at the base. And I said 602 00:42:32,591 --> 00:42:35,261 "don't tell me that's what I think it is." 603 00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:37,756 It literally stopped us in our tracks 604 00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:39,104 to find a balloon. 605 00:42:39,139 --> 00:42:42,479 goddamn it. - What are the chances? 606 00:42:58,534 --> 00:42:59,874 What is that? 607 00:43:23,851 --> 00:43:25,851 Get out of here, man. 608 00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:36,909 - Were you hearing shit? - Did you not hear that? 609 00:43:36,944 --> 00:43:40,325 - Well we turned the car off. Was it musical? 610 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:42,196 It sounded musical. Or was it a cow? 611 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,582 - It was like a howl. 612 00:44:12,399 --> 00:44:14,939 Did you guys notice... 613 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,530 - How did this become a thing? - I don't know. 614 00:44:21,533 --> 00:44:24,083 After Greenfield wouldn't shut up about it? 615 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:35,010 What I think very strongly is that if you continue to do 616 00:44:35,045 --> 00:44:38,505 what you're doing, things will fall in your path. 617 00:44:39,259 --> 00:44:43,514 You didn't seem to be really impressed by the two fucking balloons! 618 00:44:43,549 --> 00:44:47,769 And I'm really, really, that's like ding ding ding 619 00:44:47,804 --> 00:44:51,518 everything with that because this is a gift. 620 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,980 What do you get with the balloon? You get a present. 621 00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:59,870 A present. And the two balloons, is a present. 622 00:44:59,905 --> 00:45:05,575 It's saying, same day, something about this day is a birthday present 623 00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:07,827 to you, don't throw it away. 624 00:45:08,330 --> 00:45:10,210 It's a balloon! 625 00:45:10,582 --> 00:45:13,212 Of all the things for Greenfield to focus on. 626 00:45:13,247 --> 00:45:14,210 I know. 627 00:45:15,421 --> 00:45:20,301 Greenfield brought that up on his own like four times. 628 00:45:20,336 --> 00:45:23,260 "How do you not think that's a bigger deal?" 629 00:45:23,262 --> 00:45:24,972 "Why don't you think the balloon is a big deal?" 630 00:45:25,007 --> 00:45:26,852 "Seems like a pretty significant sign." 631 00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:31,812 - Something blocked our path to show us a balloon. 632 00:45:31,847 --> 00:45:34,947 To make us pay attention to a balloon. 633 00:45:34,982 --> 00:45:37,902 I mean, what's the context of finding it on a blocked path? 634 00:45:37,937 --> 00:45:40,586 It's a star. - It's a star? 635 00:45:40,621 --> 00:45:43,236 - Yeah. - This is blue star? 636 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:44,581 - Blue Star! 637 00:45:44,616 --> 00:45:46,986 Well, Happy Birthday. 638 00:45:50,706 --> 00:46:00,126 ♪ Opera in the Whale By Before the Bulb ♪ 55034

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