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The following
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of HBO Sports...
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Maverick:
Jon, let me ask
you a questio.
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Have you ever been in
a black barbershop?
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-Me?
-Maverick: Yes.
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Uh, only to collect rent.
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(laughter)
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♪ Had to go
and hit reset,
now we here ♪
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♪ I been on top
of three sets
in three years ♪
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♪ I can't be around
the niggas you minglin' with ♪
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♪ I can't fly if I can sit
on the wing of that shit ♪
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♪ Try to pay it less mind ♪
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♪ They been keepin' tabs on me
like I'm payin' next time ♪
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♪ I think I sense a little
fear from the other side ♪
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♪ White vans parked
across the street,
real subtle, guys ♪
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♪♪
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Jon:
Here's what I notice about this.
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The magazines are not central
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to the black barbershop.
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The white barbershop,
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it's all about
the magazines.
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-The conversation is central--
-So, the-- we have
no conversations!
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Everything happens
in the black barbershop.
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The critics of the movies.
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-"Did you see that movie?"
-Yeah!
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-Last Sunday's football games.
-Yep.
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If you walk into the barbershop
and everybody's like,
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"Yo, that movie is the shit,"
you go see it.
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In the barbershop,
you can't lie.
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-You cannot lie.
-LeBron: Somebody's gonna
call your ass out.
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You can't walk
in the barbershop,
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like, "Yo, these clothes are..."
A nigga will be like,
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"Yo, them your
cousin's clothes.
Shut the fuck up."
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There's gonna be
one guy in the barbershop
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that's not even gonna
get a fucking haircut.
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He's just in there
chilling!
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-Oh, yeah, yeah!
-LeBron: He's only there
to roast your ass,
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and make an argument.
He's not even getting
a fucking haircut.
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You're like, "Damn, nigga,
you've been here since 8:00 AM.
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It's 6:00 in the afternoon.
You still ain't got
your hair cut?"
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He's only there to start shit.
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He's sitting on the couch,
and he's like,
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he like, "You next?"
"Nah, I'm good.
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So your shoes
busted as fuck." Like...
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Damn, nigga!!
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You need to get a haircut
or get the fuck outta here.
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The comfort that you can
feel in the barbershop,
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is that comfort...
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amplified, because
you spend so much time
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in spaces that don't
feel that way to you?
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Maverick:
That's a great question.
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LeBron, you can speak
to that cause you,
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first time you were around
all white people when you
came to high school.
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LeBron: Yeah, yeah. I went
to an all white high school,
Catholic high school.
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So...
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like, when I first went
to the ninth grade
in high school,
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I was on some, like,
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-"I'm not fucking
with white people."
-Jon: Right.
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Like, cause my whole,
I was so institutionalized
growing up in the hood,
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it's like,
"They don't fuck with us.
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They don't want us to succeed."
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The hierarchy,
and then we're here.
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Like, matter of fact,
we're underneath this chair.
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So I'm like,
"I'm going to this school
to play ball and that's it."
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I don't want nothing
to do with white people.
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-I don't believe
that they want--
-You don't want no friends.
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It's me and my boys.
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We're going to
high school together
and we here to hoop.
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So that was,
like, my initial,
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like, thoughts
and my initial shock
to, like, white America,
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when I was 14 years old
for the first time in my life.
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And that's Catholic school.
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-LeBron: Yeah.
-Which is even
whiter America.
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(laughter)
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Levels to white America.
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LeBron:
It took me a little while.
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To-- to kinda adjust to it.
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It's hard to balance
because I'm a kid that,
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that plays this game
at such a high level.
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You're in your mind, like,
"Are they happy that I'm here
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-because of who I am?"
-Jon: Right.
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"Or because of my conversation
that I can have with them."
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Sport and basketball,
it's the most unifying thing.
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By the end of the year,
all of us were best friends.
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Our black friends
from the hood was coming.
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-Yeah.
-His white friends,
and we were just all
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-having a fucking great time.
-And like I told you before,
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the first time I ever
found out about a pantry
is when I went to high school.
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-(laughter)
-Jon: Wow.
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-Bread, cereal, chips.
-Right.
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-Donuts.
-Donuts, all that shit is
on the top of the refrigerator.
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When I got to high school
is the first time
I knew about a pantry.
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First time you
open a pantry is
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like the briefcase
in "Pulp Fiction."
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It's just, like, a light
comes out, you know?
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Oh, my God, this is--
I've never seen this before.
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-Yeah, yeah.
-All the snacks in the world
are right here in front of me.
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-Yeah, dear God. (laughs)
-Jon: LeBron brought it up
earlier, he's like,
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"Am I here cause
I can play basketball?
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And would these kids
accept me if not?"
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And does that ever go away?
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Cause that's stress.
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Like, if you feel like
even in your success,
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you can never escape
that level of scrutiny...
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I could see that
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-making you
crazy and angry.
-Maverick: 100%.
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Absolutely. Because
I think the difference
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between us as African Americans
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and us growing up
in the hood is that,
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there's not many people
that make it.
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When you're finally
in a position
where you're like,
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"Oh, I can do this shit?"
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You want to bring
the whole community with you.
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Jon:
We are entertainers.
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And there is something
to being an entertainer
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that coming out
of communities
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that are not
majority communities
that are not represented,
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that is a little bit of,
"Please let me stay."
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That's something
they have to unlearn,
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just like we have to
unlearn the fact of,
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"Please let me stay."
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It should not be
"Please let me stay."
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It should be
that you need me.
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When an entertainer
begins to move to that,
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look at how angry
it makes them.
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"Shut up and dribble."
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"Formation? No, you go back
to entertaining us."
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-You are entertainers!
-Jon: With no sense of...
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how your community really feels
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about its place
in our country.
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-Yeah.
-They don't want to hear that.
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Vince:
What they have to understand is
it's not their country,
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and you know that
from the numbers.
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So, if it's really
"shut up and dribble,"
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then the shoes don't sell,
then the jerseys don't sell.
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-Vince: And the games
don't keep running.
-Right, but isn't that Trump?
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Isn't Trump saying to them,
"No, no, no, no, no.
It's our country."
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-Maverick:
Well, I think--
-It's gotta be!
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Well, what it is it's like,
it's that last swing
before you get knocked out.
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-And...
-(laughter)
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If it connects,
then you might be okay,
but most of the time it don't,
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and you're on the ground
with the noodle arms.
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So, the noodle arms are coming.
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♪♪
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Maverick:
To be great you have
to give up a lot of shit.
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You have to sacrifice shit.
Time with family.
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-Privacy.
-Privacy.
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-That's the biggest one.
-Kids! Time with your kids.
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Maverick:
Certain foods, things.
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But from the
female perspective,
a female athlete,
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are there certain things
that you had to sacrifice
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that you look back and go...
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"I wish I didn't have to
sacrifice those things?"
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I think it really started
when I became a mom.
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My image of my mom,
she was there every day.
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She dropped me off.
She cooked dinner.
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She did all these things.
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So my image of what a mother
was supposed to be and act
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was a lot different than what
I'm able to give my daughter.
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Like, I'm not able to
be there every second,
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and fix every meal
and help her with
every homework.
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And for me,
it was hard for me,
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because I struggled,
you know,
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to balance the work and mom
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because you have
these expectations that you're
supposed to be at, you know,
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at home for your kid
and take care and drop 'em off.
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But then I'm trying to work
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and make a better life
for her as well.
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You know, you talk
about sacrifices,
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when I got pregnant
with my daughter,
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people shouldn't be
looking at me crazy.
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You gave up a year
of your career.
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I gave a year up of my career.
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LeBron:
For us, as athletes,
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it is the longest shortest thing
that we can do in our life
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to get the maximum out of it.
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If you lose the joy
of the craft that you're in,
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then you're gonna cheat the game
and you're gonna cheat yourself.
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And then ultimately
you're gonna cheat
your loved ones.
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And that's why I'm still
doing what I'm doing
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because I want to
continue to inspire,
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not only the people
in my household,
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but everybody
that I can while I can.
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Like this motherfucker
is the greatest
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I've ever seen do
what he's doing.
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To be able to age and
continue to reinvent himself
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year after year,
decade after decade,
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and still be relevant
and still be able to have
people follow him,
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that shit is hard as hell.
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Is it shit that
come along in the game
that reinvigorates you?
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I never was cool
with being second.
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I don't know what
second place felt like.
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And you can call it cocky
or whatever the fuck you want,
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but I just don't like
being in second place.
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And sometimes I feel like
I have to reinvent myself
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because I done
fell back to second place.
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And it's not because
it is what it is.
It is what it ain't.
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It's like you're not that
young rapper no more.
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You're not that
young fly MC.
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But I still can pull a move
on you motherfuckers real quick.
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-Sh-bop, bop, bop.
-(snaps)
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(laughing)
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But what I appreciate
about Snoop is
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he doesn't follow the wind.
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-Maverick: No.
-And that's when you
know you have an artist
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and not just a performer.
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Is, if you follow the wind,
you see guys that
do that all the time.
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Like, "What's in now, disco?"
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Alright, I'm gonna
put on a shiny suit
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and I'm gonna go out there
and do that.
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-He is-- Always.
-Maverick: He's himself!
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It's not easy
to age gracefully.
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-I left.
-You left!
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Because at a certain point,
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you cannot perform
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to the same level
that you perform.
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-I evolved it in the best--
-How did you know though?
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I began to make decisions
based on laziness.
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They'd pitch me an idea,
and they'd say, you know,
"We'll go down at noon,
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"you put on your suit,
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we'll go out and
we'll do a bit." And I'll go...
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"What if we did
that at rehearsal
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"and I didn't wear a suit,
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I just wore the shit
I'm wearing right now."
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(laughter)
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Jon:
And at that point I was like,
"Oh! I'm lazy about this."
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When I got the show that I got
I was 35 years old.
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Like I'd been through it.
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I'd done shows
that had gotten cancelled.
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I'd written for other people.
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I'd done, you know,
lived out of my car
doing standup shows.
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Like I had been through it.
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And I gave everything that
I could to this last chance.
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And it worked.
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But after evolving it
after 16 or 17 years,
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I realized,
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it was time for someone else
to have that chance.
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Most people don't do that, Jon.
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I was satisfied.
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So you want
LeBron to retire?
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No, but he also said,
he started to cheat the game.
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-That's exactly right.
-When I don't want
to go to practice,
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-I don't want to wake up
and work out...
-Jon: That's right.
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-I'm not giving what
I can to this game...
-Jon: That's right.
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Then it's somebody else
that needs to be
in this position.
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-And that's why said
he gave it up.
-LeBron, let me ask you this.
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After 15 years,
eight straight Finals,
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you still feel you want
to get up and work?
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It's not burning
like that 10 years ago.
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Here, but right here it is.
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I know exactly what
the fuck I need to do.
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I know how to do it.
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And I know how I'ma
get the best out of myself.
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I don't need you to push me.
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Right.
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Once it get
to a point where
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you still need people
to push you at a certain age,
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then you don't need
to be doing it no more.
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And what helps
is my fucking kids playing.
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-Snoop: Mmm!
-Maverick: That's interesting.
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Watching my boys play ball,
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like last year
was the first, like,
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I really had some time
to go watch them play
in the summer.
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Like really sat down,
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went to, like, four
or five tournaments.
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And I'm sitting there,
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and I'm watching the game,
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and I feel my
motherfucking hands
just start sweating.
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I feel, like,
my chest start sweating.
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And I'm like, man,
"These is 13, or ten year olds
out here hooping.
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-(laughter)
-LeBron: Why are you
feeling like this?"
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Then it went from,
like, just sitting there.
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And then it went
from, like, to this.
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Like, "Let's go!"
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And then it went from
me sitting on the bench
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-to me getting in an argument.
I got in an argument--
-(laughter)
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Maverick:
You turned into
the crazy AAU dad?
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Yo, you turned into
the crazy AAU dad.
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First of all,
I didn't get into an argument
with a AAU dad.
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I got in an argument
with a AAU mom.
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-Snoop: What?!
-What?
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-A mother?!
-With a mother.
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Jerrod:
(indistinct)
you did do something.
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I did. I did.
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I did, and you want to know
who the first person
I apologized to?
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It was my mom that
was sitting right here.
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And the reason
I apologized to my mom,
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because I used to get
on my mom so much.
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-Odell: For doing the same shit.
-LeBron: When I was a kid,
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and she used to go crazy
at my AAU games,
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I used to be like,
"Mom, chill out, Mom.
I don't want this."
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And I went crazy
about my kids.
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-And I was like,
I was like, "Mom, I'm sorry."
-You felt her pain.
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Snoop:
You did the same thing.
The cycle.
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"I'm sorry."
But that shit, like,
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it, like, gave me, like,
it gave me some
motherfuckin'--
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I was like,
"I'm ready to hoop again."
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Jon:
What do you say
to your kid though?
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Like, living up to you
being their dad.
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So you're--
you're their dad
and they're coming up
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and they're playing
the same sport
that you played
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better than anyone
else in the world
has ever played it.
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How do you...
303
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how do you give
them a peace of mind
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that they don't
have to be you?
305
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How can their excellence
be their own?
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I still regret giving
my 14 year old my name
because of that.
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Right.
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LeBron:
Like when I was younger,
didn't have a dad.
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So, my whole thing was like,
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"Whenever I have a kid,
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"not only is he
gonna be a junior,
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I'm gonna do everything
that this man didn't do."
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I don't even know
what the situation was
that was going on with him
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but I knew I would
be there for my son.
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Like, I'm gonna lay it down,
I'm gonna be the best father
I can be.
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With the time
that I can give,
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but I'm gonna give
even more time
than I can give.
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And now I sit back
and I'm like...
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"Fuck, I've actually
kind of set him up."
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And I should have known
321
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that him just being
around the game,
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he was gonna
want to play the game.
323
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They're gonna experience things
that I didn't experience.
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Only thing I could do
is give 'em the blueprint
325
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and it's up to them
to take their own course.
326
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I hear my daughter
sometimes say, "I can't."
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Yes, you can.
You absolutely can.
328
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I don't want to hear
that "you can't" stuff.
329
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Try it, fail,
330
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and then try
that shit again.
331
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And continue to
do it over and over.
332
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Don't ever say
you can't do something.
333
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-Yes!
-LeBron: Because then
you shelter your mind,
334
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to where something
could happen at three years old,
335
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if you say
you can't do something,
336
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then they carry it
all the way to 25 years old.
337
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To hear you say that
to your daughter,
338
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there's so many people
that say that to their sons,
339
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and they don't say that
to their daughters.
340
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-They do it for them.
-That's interesting.
341
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And I was brought up
in a household
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where I had the same curfew
as my brothers.
343
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I was told I can do
the same thing.
344
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I didn't have rules
that were different.
345
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And I think that that's--
346
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That means a lot to me
347
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because I'm bringing up
my daughter that way.
348
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Can LeBron ever
come out and say,
349
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"I'm the best
basketball player
playin'?"
350
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I think you should say that.
351
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I think you should believe that.
352
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And you should definitely
let the world know that.
353
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I think Bron
over the last four years
354
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became LeBron James.
355
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And it wasn't nothing
to do with winning
356
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it wasn't nothing
to do with stats.
He found himself.
357
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People didn't start
to view him
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as they view him now,
359
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until he became that force,
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that man to say "I'm here."
361
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I feel like for years,
he shied away
from saying I'm here.
362
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And when he started to say,
363
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"Fuck y'all, I'm here."
364
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That's when
he became who he is,
365
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and no one would have
ever said that
until he did it himself.
366
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Motherfuckers fucked with Mike
367
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because Mike was like,
"I'm Mike with my hooping ring.
368
00:13:55,058 --> 00:13:56,808
Fuck all y'all, I'm here."
369
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And until he did that,
370
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that's when he became
the figurehead that he is.
371
00:14:01,391 --> 00:14:02,767
So many people
shy away from that
372
00:14:02,850 --> 00:14:04,600
and that's why they never
reach their full potential.
373
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When you're growing up
in sports or hip-hop,
374
00:14:06,767 --> 00:14:07,974
whatever the case may be,
375
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all you hear is, like,
376
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"I want to be the best."
377
00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:13,141
Whoever's the best,
they do it their way,
378
00:14:13,224 --> 00:14:15,016
whatever the case may be.
379
00:14:15,099 --> 00:14:17,350
And then, when
you do it your way,
380
00:14:17,433 --> 00:14:19,683
and you win...
381
00:14:19,767 --> 00:14:20,850
it still ain't enough.
382
00:14:20,933 --> 00:14:21,974
It still ain't enough.
383
00:14:22,058 --> 00:14:24,350
And that's for-- for us
as African Americans,
384
00:14:24,433 --> 00:14:28,308
because I believe
if the greatest quarterback
in the world,
385
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he's a white quarterback,
386
00:14:29,725 --> 00:14:32,058
if it's Brady,
if it's Rodgers,
if it's Manning,
387
00:14:32,141 --> 00:14:34,475
and we're doing
the same shit,
the same exact shit,
388
00:14:34,558 --> 00:14:36,308
I'm talking about the phone
is on. We're like, yo,
389
00:14:36,391 --> 00:14:37,808
"Get that fucking phone
out of my face.
390
00:14:37,892 --> 00:14:38,850
I'm with my family."
391
00:14:38,933 --> 00:14:40,224
If we're out
with our family,
392
00:14:40,308 --> 00:14:42,391
and we say that shit,
and somebody posts it,
393
00:14:42,475 --> 00:14:44,058
and if Aaron Rodgers
or one of those guys
394
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say that shit,
and they post it,
395
00:14:45,475 --> 00:14:46,850
somebody's gonna be like,
396
00:14:46,933 --> 00:14:49,350
"Hey, you guys should--
you guys should respect
Aaron Rodgers."
397
00:14:49,433 --> 00:14:51,475
They're gonna say to us,
"Oh, you guys are
fucking dickheads."
398
00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:53,850
I had it happen the other day.
I didn't want to take a picture.
399
00:14:53,933 --> 00:14:55,892
I'm like,
"I'm really in a rush,
I gotta go."
400
00:14:55,974 --> 00:14:57,224
I get on Twitter, it's like,
401
00:14:57,308 --> 00:14:59,725
"Oh, yeah, I'm a Giants
season ticket holder
for 30 years."
402
00:14:59,808 --> 00:15:01,433
I'm like, "First of all,
you're 20-something."
403
00:15:01,516 --> 00:15:02,600
(laughter)
404
00:15:02,683 --> 00:15:04,391
And then it's like,
"Oh, he's an asshole,
405
00:15:04,475 --> 00:15:06,433
he didn't want to
take a picture." It's like...
406
00:15:06,516 --> 00:15:08,558
To me, I be feeling like,
I tell people this all the time
407
00:15:08,642 --> 00:15:10,350
I really feel
like a zoo animal.
408
00:15:10,433 --> 00:15:12,058
Like that's where
life's gone for me.
409
00:15:12,141 --> 00:15:13,892
You know, you used
to take your kids to the zoo
410
00:15:13,974 --> 00:15:15,058
and we used
to be like, you know,
411
00:15:15,141 --> 00:15:16,558
"I wannna--
I wanna see the lions
412
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or let's go see the lions."
413
00:15:18,141 --> 00:15:19,224
And you go out there,
414
00:15:19,308 --> 00:15:21,391
and the lions are laid out.
You know what I mean?
415
00:15:21,475 --> 00:15:23,850
It's like, why
aren't they doing lion stuff,
you know what I mean?
416
00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:26,224
Like I've got people
who call, "Odell! Dance!"
417
00:15:26,308 --> 00:15:28,933
(stammering)
Like-- like I'm a show punk,
418
00:15:29,016 --> 00:15:30,058
a show monkey
or something.
419
00:15:30,141 --> 00:15:31,725
Like I'm a puppet,
you know what I mean?
420
00:15:31,808 --> 00:15:33,433
And it's like to me,
that doesn't feel good,
421
00:15:33,516 --> 00:15:36,099
but it's like, damn,
that's what life became, but...
422
00:15:36,183 --> 00:15:38,433
can you ever really
detach from that?
423
00:15:38,516 --> 00:15:41,683
♪♪
424
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Jerrod:
I think the frustration
comes from me having to
425
00:15:49,308 --> 00:15:51,141
watch people pretend
"Hamilton" was good.
426
00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:52,308
Oh!
427
00:15:52,391 --> 00:15:53,725
People from the
upper west side
428
00:15:53,808 --> 00:15:55,266
telling me
what good rap is.
429
00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:56,933
"Hamilton" was, at best,
430
00:15:57,016 --> 00:15:59,600
the best community
center performance
431
00:15:59,683 --> 00:16:00,892
that I've ever seen.
432
00:16:00,974 --> 00:16:02,141
It was a piece of shit.
433
00:16:02,224 --> 00:16:04,224
It was terrible.
We had to pretend,
434
00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:05,600
and that was part
of the wave of life.
435
00:16:05,683 --> 00:16:07,933
But that rapping,
fuck you.
It was terrible.
436
00:16:08,016 --> 00:16:11,391
It'd be like Jews going,
"'Fiddler On The Roof'
was bullshit!"
437
00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:13,558
-(laughter)
-This is not--
it can't be happening.
438
00:16:13,642 --> 00:16:14,600
The way black people,
439
00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:16,475
the way we view hip-hop,
440
00:16:16,558 --> 00:16:19,099
the bars aren't there,
the beats aren't there.
441
00:16:19,183 --> 00:16:21,433
But all the white people
fucked with it
442
00:16:21,516 --> 00:16:22,600
and it was this big thing.
443
00:16:22,683 --> 00:16:24,850
"Hamilton," first of all,
you shouldn't look at it
444
00:16:24,933 --> 00:16:26,308
and compare it to, you know,
445
00:16:26,391 --> 00:16:28,266
-to Kendrick Lamar.
-Maverick: To Snoop Dogg, Jon.
446
00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:30,350
Jon:
Or to Snoop Dogg,
cause it's not within that.
447
00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:32,016
You should
compare it to "Cats."
448
00:16:32,099 --> 00:16:34,141
-So the reason why--
-We don't even
know what "Cats" is.
449
00:16:34,224 --> 00:16:36,141
-Exactly.
-Snoop: It's a play.
450
00:16:36,224 --> 00:16:37,600
It's a play,
a Broadway play.
451
00:16:37,683 --> 00:16:40,308
-People dress in
leotards on Broadway.
-Snoop: People dressed as cats.
452
00:16:40,391 --> 00:16:42,475
Shit in the '80s.
Y'all niggas was little kids
when it came out.
453
00:16:42,558 --> 00:16:43,642
Jon:
You're talking
about Broadway.
454
00:16:43,725 --> 00:16:45,475
To me, it just sounded like
when they sent people,
455
00:16:45,558 --> 00:16:47,433
uh, to rap
multiplication to me
456
00:16:47,516 --> 00:16:48,974
when I was an
inner city youth.
457
00:16:49,058 --> 00:16:51,475
Cause they're like,
"That's the way we're
gonna get through to him."
458
00:16:51,558 --> 00:16:52,767
(laughter)
459
00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:54,933
I normally wouldn't support
bullshit that I don't like,
460
00:16:55,016 --> 00:16:55,974
but at this moment
461
00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:57,516
for the-- for the team,
462
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,350
I'll take one for the team.
463
00:16:59,433 --> 00:17:00,683
We move everything.
464
00:17:00,767 --> 00:17:01,850
We move the way
people dress.
465
00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:03,183
We move the way
people think.
466
00:17:03,266 --> 00:17:04,516
We move the way
people dance.
467
00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:05,850
Music people listen to.
468
00:17:05,933 --> 00:17:07,558
We move the way
people play sports.
469
00:17:07,642 --> 00:17:08,767
Snoop:
And the way they talk.
470
00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:11,516
When I first went to, uh,
London for the first time,
471
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,475
me and Dre hit the stage.
472
00:17:13,558 --> 00:17:15,558
There was like 75,000
motherfuckers in the audience
473
00:17:15,642 --> 00:17:17,183
and they just
was rocking, right?
474
00:17:17,266 --> 00:17:18,558
I kept going back overseas,
475
00:17:18,642 --> 00:17:19,850
and every country
I went to,
476
00:17:19,933 --> 00:17:22,183
my shit was getting
bigger and bigger.
477
00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:24,350
And then the cool part was,
478
00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:25,892
the way you say
I raised y'all,
479
00:17:25,974 --> 00:17:27,224
I raised a lot
of people overseas
480
00:17:27,308 --> 00:17:29,391
and taught them how
to speak fuckin' English
through my music.
481
00:17:29,475 --> 00:17:31,683
Because we globally
effect the whole world,
482
00:17:31,767 --> 00:17:33,683
black people are more
respected outside of America
483
00:17:33,767 --> 00:17:34,974
than they are in America.
484
00:17:35,058 --> 00:17:37,308
-Maverick: That's a good point.
-That's-- that's interesting.
485
00:17:37,391 --> 00:17:38,391
Oh, that's a fact!
486
00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:39,642
That's a fact!
487
00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:41,725
It's more so of black people
not knowing who they are.
488
00:17:41,808 --> 00:17:44,391
The reason we struggle
as black people is because
489
00:17:44,475 --> 00:17:45,892
we don't know who we are.
490
00:17:45,974 --> 00:17:47,600
-Say that.
-And so,
491
00:17:47,683 --> 00:17:49,350
I mean, if you want
to be quite frank about it,
492
00:17:49,433 --> 00:17:50,933
white people
know who we are.
493
00:17:51,016 --> 00:17:52,433
That's why they keep
fucking kicking us.
494
00:17:52,516 --> 00:17:53,850
Why don't we get down
with each other
495
00:17:53,933 --> 00:17:55,350
when we're in
the same lane?
496
00:17:55,433 --> 00:17:56,850
-100%.
-It would make
more sense.
497
00:17:56,933 --> 00:17:57,892
It makes much more sense,
498
00:17:57,974 --> 00:17:59,683
and you actually can become
499
00:17:59,767 --> 00:18:01,683
in control of our thing.
500
00:18:01,767 --> 00:18:03,725
Because we're
really creating it.
501
00:18:03,808 --> 00:18:05,725
The reason
other cultures are so strong,
502
00:18:05,808 --> 00:18:07,850
like a Jew is gonna
look out for a Jew.
503
00:18:07,933 --> 00:18:10,433
A Chinese man
is gonna look out
504
00:18:10,516 --> 00:18:12,558
-for a Chinese man.
-Jon: Eh...
505
00:18:12,642 --> 00:18:14,725
Draymond:
You can "Ah, ah"
all you want.
506
00:18:14,808 --> 00:18:17,183
Jews look out
for Jews, period.
507
00:18:17,266 --> 00:18:19,600
(voices overlapping)
508
00:18:19,683 --> 00:18:22,433
But you know why, though,
is cause they realize that
they been through something
509
00:18:22,516 --> 00:18:23,767
they never want it
to happen again.
510
00:18:23,850 --> 00:18:25,433
-Right.
-Humankind is tribal in nature.
511
00:18:25,516 --> 00:18:27,391
100%. Take care of each other.
512
00:18:27,475 --> 00:18:31,475
We are born to join
and be with groups
where we find identity.
513
00:18:31,558 --> 00:18:34,725
It's why team fanship
is so strong.
514
00:18:34,808 --> 00:18:36,475
You know, if we
didn't have religion,
515
00:18:36,558 --> 00:18:39,224
we'd find other ways
to go to war with each other.
516
00:18:39,308 --> 00:18:41,141
Cause we are
tribal in nature
517
00:18:41,224 --> 00:18:43,224
and we fight
over resources.
518
00:18:43,308 --> 00:18:47,642
And when you start to believe
that your resources are finite,
519
00:18:47,725 --> 00:18:49,933
you begin to treat others
520
00:18:50,016 --> 00:18:53,725
as foes and rivals
and enemies.
521
00:18:53,808 --> 00:18:55,391
-Right.
-Jon: What would
unite us as people?
522
00:18:55,475 --> 00:18:56,933
If fuckin' aliens came.
523
00:18:57,016 --> 00:18:58,767
And then we'd all be like,
"Humans are in trouble."
524
00:18:58,850 --> 00:19:01,058
Humans are--
That's a good point!
525
00:19:01,141 --> 00:19:03,016
That was a good point.
526
00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:06,767
Did you fear when--
when you began
527
00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:08,308
to talk about your experience,
528
00:19:08,391 --> 00:19:11,642
did you fear the loss
of that shine?
529
00:19:11,725 --> 00:19:13,642
That's like going to, uh,
an amusement park
530
00:19:13,725 --> 00:19:15,433
and you've never rode
that rollercoaster.
531
00:19:15,516 --> 00:19:16,933
There's a fear of that,
532
00:19:17,016 --> 00:19:19,475
but there's a joy
of saying that I did that.
533
00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:20,974
I want the satisfaction.
534
00:19:21,058 --> 00:19:22,933
Not for myself,
but for everybody else.
535
00:19:23,016 --> 00:19:25,600
I was raised off,
you know, Snoop and Pac
536
00:19:25,683 --> 00:19:27,308
and Jay and Biggie.
537
00:19:27,391 --> 00:19:29,642
And now I get
an opportunity to...
538
00:19:29,725 --> 00:19:31,475
to be the inspiration
539
00:19:31,558 --> 00:19:33,808
around where
all these kids
are looking up to.
540
00:19:33,892 --> 00:19:36,600
And for me to just sit back
and not say shit,
541
00:19:36,683 --> 00:19:38,767
when a lot of my peers
didn't say shit.
542
00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:40,183
It didn't feel right.
543
00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:42,516
Athletes don't have
a responsibility to
speak up for nothin'.
544
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,224
You have a responsibility
to speak up for what
you believe in.
545
00:19:45,308 --> 00:19:46,808
Just because you're an athlete,
546
00:19:46,892 --> 00:19:48,391
and you have
a certain platform,
547
00:19:48,475 --> 00:19:51,350
that does not mean
you have the responsibility
to speak up for anything.
548
00:19:51,433 --> 00:19:53,016
But I feel like
at some point in time,
549
00:19:53,099 --> 00:19:55,058
it's like you have to be able
to stand up on your morals
550
00:19:55,141 --> 00:19:57,808
simply because you are
representing people
who look like you
551
00:19:57,892 --> 00:19:59,183
and they're looking
up to you for a--
552
00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:00,683
But what if that ain't
your moral though?
553
00:20:00,767 --> 00:20:02,892
What if I don't believe
the same thing you believe
as a black man?
554
00:20:02,974 --> 00:20:05,141
But we both believe
that black kids
shouldn't be shot.
555
00:20:05,224 --> 00:20:07,808
I mean, yeah, like,
obviously shit like that.
556
00:20:07,892 --> 00:20:11,058
I'm just saying
the real social issues
of people of color,
557
00:20:11,141 --> 00:20:12,600
every athlete
is effected by 'em
558
00:20:12,683 --> 00:20:15,183
because we're the same people
that used to be in
those neighborhoods,
559
00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:17,683
dribbling, walking up
and down the street,
that used to wear those clothes.
560
00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:18,933
So, when I was growing up,
561
00:20:19,016 --> 00:20:20,725
I was looking for
Michael Jordan
to say something.
562
00:20:20,808 --> 00:20:23,350
He never did,
but now kids can look up
and be like,
563
00:20:23,433 --> 00:20:24,350
"What LeBron saying?"
564
00:20:24,433 --> 00:20:25,725
Jon:
I liken you to Ali.
565
00:20:25,808 --> 00:20:27,933
Like Ali was, at the time,
the Greatest.
566
00:20:28,016 --> 00:20:30,016
-Right.
-Jon: But when he spoke out,
567
00:20:30,099 --> 00:20:31,308
he went to jail, man.
568
00:20:31,391 --> 00:20:35,391
-Absolutely.
-Even his greatness
couldn't insulate him
569
00:20:35,475 --> 00:20:37,224
from those rules
that they had set up.
570
00:20:37,308 --> 00:20:39,058
And did you think
to yourself like,
571
00:20:39,141 --> 00:20:41,683
"As good as I am,
it's not going to matter?"
572
00:20:41,767 --> 00:20:43,391
Yeah, because it's not--
at the end of the day,
573
00:20:43,475 --> 00:20:45,892
when I decided I was
gonna start speaking up
574
00:20:45,974 --> 00:20:47,683
and not giving a fuck
about the backlash
575
00:20:47,767 --> 00:20:49,224
or if it affects me,
576
00:20:49,308 --> 00:20:51,224
my whole mindset,
"Well, it's not about me."
577
00:20:51,308 --> 00:20:53,058
I think Ali already knew,
578
00:20:53,141 --> 00:20:55,683
he knew that it
wasn't about him.
579
00:20:55,767 --> 00:20:57,266
"I'ma get the backlash.
580
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:58,683
"I'ma go to jail.
581
00:20:58,767 --> 00:21:01,058
"But what this is gonna do
for the next group,
582
00:21:01,141 --> 00:21:02,475
"what this is gonna do
for the next athlete,
583
00:21:02,558 --> 00:21:05,224
"what this is gonna
do for the next minority
who wants to speak up,
584
00:21:05,308 --> 00:21:06,391
whenever that happens,"
585
00:21:06,475 --> 00:21:07,642
Ali's whole mindset was like,
586
00:21:07,725 --> 00:21:11,433
"At some point
somebody is gonna
take what I did,"
587
00:21:11,516 --> 00:21:12,433
and I sensed that.
588
00:21:12,516 --> 00:21:14,266
I sensed that on, you know,
589
00:21:14,350 --> 00:21:16,933
losing this or losing that
or losing popularity.
590
00:21:17,016 --> 00:21:18,224
My popularity went down.
591
00:21:18,308 --> 00:21:19,808
But at the end of the day,
592
00:21:19,892 --> 00:21:22,933
my truth to
so many different kids
593
00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:24,767
and so many different people
594
00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:27,099
was broader than me personally.
595
00:21:27,183 --> 00:21:29,433
What gave you the--
the confidence
and the courage?
596
00:21:29,516 --> 00:21:30,433
I mean, certain things happen.
597
00:21:30,516 --> 00:21:31,767
Things change in your life.
598
00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:34,266
Me having my own kids,
599
00:21:34,350 --> 00:21:36,433
and then seeing
the Trayvon Martin thing.
600
00:21:36,516 --> 00:21:38,266
It hit home.
601
00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:40,433
And I don't even know,
if I didn't have any
kids at the time
602
00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,433
who knows if I would have
even been able to speak up on it
603
00:21:42,516 --> 00:21:44,099
because it probably
wouldn't have hit home for me.
604
00:21:44,183 --> 00:21:45,600
It wouldn't have
made me feel the same way.
605
00:21:45,683 --> 00:21:47,767
At the time, I think
my oldest son was nine
606
00:21:47,850 --> 00:21:48,974
and my youngest son was six.
607
00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:50,808
I can't imagine...
608
00:21:50,892 --> 00:21:53,808
if I sent my kid out,
and he didn't return home.
609
00:21:53,892 --> 00:21:55,767
-Maverick: Like that, exactly.
-Like that.
610
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:57,642
I couldn't imagine that.
611
00:21:57,725 --> 00:21:58,974
Like that happened.
612
00:21:59,058 --> 00:22:01,475
So that's why
I started thinking,
and I was like, okay,
613
00:22:01,558 --> 00:22:05,266
"If I can get 25,000 people
to show up to a basketball game,
614
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:07,600
I can reach so many more
platforms when I talk."
615
00:22:07,683 --> 00:22:09,433
Because if you look at
what Maya Angelou said,
616
00:22:09,516 --> 00:22:11,308
she talks about
how words stick to things
617
00:22:11,391 --> 00:22:12,933
and words create situations.
618
00:22:13,016 --> 00:22:16,308
Do you think the N-word
creates a type of environment
for young people?
619
00:22:16,391 --> 00:22:18,600
As leaders,
should we not say it
or should we say it?
620
00:22:18,683 --> 00:22:20,850
-Because it--
-I'm gonna speak on it
from the rap perspective.
621
00:22:20,933 --> 00:22:22,308
That shit was here
before we got here,
622
00:22:22,391 --> 00:22:23,516
it's gonna be here
after we got here.
623
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,308
But the point is that we are
becoming more positive,
624
00:22:26,391 --> 00:22:28,767
we're becoming
more productive.
625
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:31,433
And that word doesn't affect us
from becoming productive.
626
00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:33,350
And that's our lingo,
that's the way
we communicate.
627
00:22:33,433 --> 00:22:34,642
When I see,
"What's up, my nigga?"
628
00:22:34,725 --> 00:22:35,808
That's just how I get down.
629
00:22:35,892 --> 00:22:38,350
I hate the fact that
it's my brainwashed situation,
630
00:22:38,433 --> 00:22:39,558
but that's all
the fuck I know.
631
00:22:39,642 --> 00:22:41,892
I'll say, I went to Africa
and I loved those niggas.
632
00:22:41,974 --> 00:22:43,683
-They were amazing.
-(laughter)
633
00:22:43,767 --> 00:22:45,725
Very important,
I-- I think is,
634
00:22:45,808 --> 00:22:48,391
don't have any buttons
that people could just press.
635
00:22:48,475 --> 00:22:50,850
Because what I have seen
is people snap
636
00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:53,850
and, like, just, like, drag
white dudes for saying it
637
00:22:53,933 --> 00:22:55,808
and get expelled from school.
638
00:22:55,892 --> 00:22:58,308
And like their lives ruined
because they had a button.
639
00:22:58,391 --> 00:22:59,558
I'm saying it for any word.
640
00:22:59,642 --> 00:23:01,016
Be, you know, cautious
641
00:23:01,099 --> 00:23:02,892
that you're not just
triggered so easily
642
00:23:02,974 --> 00:23:05,350
that you disrupt
your own life and well-being.
643
00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:08,224
I think any communication
between two human beings
644
00:23:08,308 --> 00:23:09,683
should be full of respect.
645
00:23:09,767 --> 00:23:12,808
Like and-- and your intentions
should be checked.
646
00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:14,767
Uh, are there
bigger fish to fry?
647
00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:16,683
Yeah, I'm much
more concerned
648
00:23:16,767 --> 00:23:18,725
with the wording of a contract
649
00:23:18,808 --> 00:23:20,350
than that word being used.
650
00:23:20,433 --> 00:23:21,475
(laughing)
651
00:23:21,558 --> 00:23:23,224
Michael:
I think about what
happened to LeBron
652
00:23:23,308 --> 00:23:24,767
and I think about
the word, the N Word.
653
00:23:24,850 --> 00:23:26,892
I was sayin' the N word,
but it was on his house
654
00:23:26,974 --> 00:23:28,058
and he had to make a choice.
655
00:23:28,141 --> 00:23:30,725
"Do I just wipe it off
and just say it didn't happen?"
656
00:23:30,808 --> 00:23:34,058
How did you--
LeBron, how did you
explain that to your kids?
657
00:23:34,141 --> 00:23:35,266
Um, I mean, shit,
658
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:37,266
the same way I explained it
to everybody in the world.
659
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:38,933
You're still black in America.
660
00:23:39,016 --> 00:23:40,892
And there's gonna be shit
that they always try
661
00:23:40,974 --> 00:23:44,725
to reset you to a point
where it was the beginning.
662
00:23:44,808 --> 00:23:48,516
Now, at that point,
do you accept that
663
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,391
and-- and reset the button
664
00:23:50,475 --> 00:23:51,725
and start all the way
from scratch?
665
00:23:51,808 --> 00:23:54,099
Or do you use that
and push forward?
666
00:23:54,183 --> 00:23:55,974
And-- and I told them that you,
667
00:23:56,058 --> 00:23:57,308
now y'all have to
make your own choice
668
00:23:57,391 --> 00:23:58,767
if something like this
happens to y'all.
669
00:23:58,850 --> 00:24:00,141
Do you think
they were old enough yet
670
00:24:00,224 --> 00:24:02,433
-to understand that
and feel it?
-No, they're not old enough.
671
00:24:02,516 --> 00:24:04,433
Because they're growing up
as kids who got money, right?
672
00:24:04,516 --> 00:24:06,308
Yeah, yeah,
but they understood it
673
00:24:06,391 --> 00:24:07,974
because they seen
the passion in my eyes
674
00:24:08,058 --> 00:24:09,350
and the way I was saying it.
675
00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:11,600
So the way I talked to 'em
when they knew
I was talking about it,
676
00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:14,391
"Listen, this is the situation
that's going on in our house.
677
00:24:14,475 --> 00:24:15,642
We wasn't there."
678
00:24:15,725 --> 00:24:18,558
But somebody
spray painted the N-word
on our-- on our gate--
679
00:24:18,642 --> 00:24:19,974
Yeah, but they know
what that word means.
680
00:24:20,058 --> 00:24:21,141
Yeah, and this is
what it means.
681
00:24:21,224 --> 00:24:22,933
And this is--
was the intention.
682
00:24:23,016 --> 00:24:24,266
It wasn't like,
683
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:25,725
"Hey, what's up, nigga,
we going to hoop?"
684
00:24:25,808 --> 00:24:27,099
No, it was like,
685
00:24:27,183 --> 00:24:28,433
"Nigger, get the fuck
out of here."
686
00:24:28,516 --> 00:24:31,141
No matter how big
you can become in America,
687
00:24:31,224 --> 00:24:33,141
no matter how much influence
you think you've got
688
00:24:33,224 --> 00:24:34,600
or do have,
689
00:24:34,683 --> 00:24:37,099
when you're African American,
it doesn't matter.
690
00:24:37,183 --> 00:24:38,266
You're still black.
691
00:24:39,683 --> 00:24:41,141
You're still black in America.
692
00:24:41,224 --> 00:24:43,099
♪♪
693
00:24:45,433 --> 00:24:47,266
At a certain point,
the haircutting stops,
694
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:49,516
-and people just
sit around and bullshit.
-People just sit around.
695
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,516
I love that.
696
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,767
-Here's what I'm worried about.
-No filter.
697
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:53,933
This shit gets out,
698
00:24:54,016 --> 00:24:55,974
and white people start
coming to your barbershops.
699
00:24:56,058 --> 00:24:58,433
(laughter)
700
00:24:58,516 --> 00:25:00,558
♪♪
701
00:25:10,224 --> 00:25:12,642
Maverick:
When LeBron came into
high school as a freshman,
702
00:25:12,725 --> 00:25:14,974
at the beginning
of his freshman year,
703
00:25:15,058 --> 00:25:19,850
he was about
5'11" or six foot.
704
00:25:19,933 --> 00:25:22,683
It gets cold in Ohio,
so he had a winter coat.
705
00:25:22,767 --> 00:25:24,850
But dog, by the time
we get to March,
706
00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:26,141
nigga's 6'4",
707
00:25:26,224 --> 00:25:29,183
but his-- but his mom hadn't
bought him no new winter coat.
708
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:30,683
So it fits like this.
709
00:25:30,767 --> 00:25:31,850
-(laughter)
-Can he do this?
710
00:25:31,933 --> 00:25:33,475
-Maverick:
He can't! (laughs)
-He can't do that?
711
00:25:33,558 --> 00:25:34,767
That's a fact.
712
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:38,058
-So I was like,
"But he can hoop." So...
-LeBron: I can hoop.
713
00:25:38,141 --> 00:25:41,308
♪ White vans parked across
the street, real subtle guys ♪
714
00:25:41,391 --> 00:25:44,516
♪ Yeah, never a matter
of "could I, " or "should I?" ♪
715
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,016
♪ Kiss my mom on the forehead ♪
716
00:25:46,099 --> 00:25:47,558
♪ Then kiss
your ass goodbye ♪
717
00:25:47,642 --> 00:25:48,683
♪ As luck would have it ♪
718
00:25:48,767 --> 00:25:51,558
♪ I've settled into my role
as the good guy ♪
719
00:25:51,642 --> 00:25:53,141
♪ I guess luck is on your side ♪
720
00:25:54,099 --> 00:25:56,141
♪ I guess luck
is on your side ♪
721
00:25:56,224 --> 00:25:59,433
♪ All sevens, no sixes,
rest easy, get some shut eye ♪
57817
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