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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,350 --> 00:00:20,433 The following is a presentation of HBO Sports... 2 00:00:25,933 --> 00:00:27,350 Maverick: Jon, let me ask you a questio. 3 00:00:27,433 --> 00:00:28,725 Have you ever been in a black barbershop? 4 00:00:28,808 --> 00:00:29,892 -Me? -Maverick: Yes. 5 00:00:29,974 --> 00:00:31,516 Uh, only to collect rent. 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,016 (laughter) 7 00:00:34,099 --> 00:00:37,350 ♪ Had to go and hit reset, now we here ♪ 8 00:00:37,433 --> 00:00:39,850 ♪ I been on top of three sets in three years ♪ 9 00:00:39,933 --> 00:00:42,850 ♪ I can't be around the niggas you minglin' with ♪ 10 00:00:42,933 --> 00:00:46,058 ♪ I can't fly if I can sit on the wing of that shit ♪ 11 00:00:46,141 --> 00:00:47,391 ♪ Try to pay it less mind ♪ 12 00:00:47,475 --> 00:00:50,391 ♪ They been keepin' tabs on me like I'm payin' next time ♪ 13 00:00:50,475 --> 00:00:53,224 ♪ I think I sense a little fear from the other side ♪ 14 00:00:53,308 --> 00:00:55,850 ♪ White vans parked across the street, real subtle, guys ♪ 15 00:00:55,933 --> 00:00:58,308 ♪♪ 16 00:01:03,475 --> 00:01:05,725 Jon: Here's what I notice about this. 17 00:01:05,808 --> 00:01:07,850 The magazines are not central 18 00:01:07,933 --> 00:01:09,099 to the black barbershop. 19 00:01:09,183 --> 00:01:10,350 The white barbershop, 20 00:01:10,433 --> 00:01:11,850 it's all about the magazines. 21 00:01:11,933 --> 00:01:14,558 -The conversation is central-- -So, the-- we have no conversations! 22 00:01:14,642 --> 00:01:16,558 Everything happens in the black barbershop. 23 00:01:16,642 --> 00:01:17,600 The critics of the movies. 24 00:01:17,683 --> 00:01:18,892 -"Did you see that movie?" -Yeah! 25 00:01:18,974 --> 00:01:21,058 -Last Sunday's football games. -Yep. 26 00:01:21,141 --> 00:01:22,892 If you walk into the barbershop and everybody's like, 27 00:01:22,974 --> 00:01:24,892 "Yo, that movie is the shit," you go see it. 28 00:01:24,974 --> 00:01:26,308 In the barbershop, you can't lie. 29 00:01:26,391 --> 00:01:28,933 -You cannot lie. -LeBron: Somebody's gonna call your ass out. 30 00:01:29,016 --> 00:01:30,099 You can't walk in the barbershop, 31 00:01:30,183 --> 00:01:32,558 like, "Yo, these clothes are..." A nigga will be like, 32 00:01:32,642 --> 00:01:35,224 "Yo, them your cousin's clothes. Shut the fuck up." 33 00:01:35,308 --> 00:01:37,683 There's gonna be one guy in the barbershop 34 00:01:37,767 --> 00:01:39,683 that's not even gonna get a fucking haircut. 35 00:01:39,767 --> 00:01:40,974 He's just in there chilling! 36 00:01:41,058 --> 00:01:42,933 -Oh, yeah, yeah! -LeBron: He's only there to roast your ass, 37 00:01:43,016 --> 00:01:45,642 and make an argument. He's not even getting a fucking haircut. 38 00:01:45,725 --> 00:01:47,767 You're like, "Damn, nigga, you've been here since 8:00 AM. 39 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:50,391 It's 6:00 in the afternoon. You still ain't got your hair cut?" 40 00:01:50,475 --> 00:01:51,642 He's only there to start shit. 41 00:01:51,725 --> 00:01:53,099 He's sitting on the couch, and he's like, 42 00:01:53,183 --> 00:01:54,933 he like, "You next?" "Nah, I'm good. 43 00:01:55,016 --> 00:01:57,099 So your shoes busted as fuck." Like... 44 00:01:57,183 --> 00:01:58,350 Damn, nigga!! 45 00:01:58,433 --> 00:02:00,099 You need to get a haircut or get the fuck outta here. 46 00:02:00,183 --> 00:02:02,141 The comfort that you can feel in the barbershop, 47 00:02:02,224 --> 00:02:04,391 is that comfort... 48 00:02:04,475 --> 00:02:07,642 amplified, because you spend so much time 49 00:02:07,725 --> 00:02:09,558 in spaces that don't feel that way to you? 50 00:02:09,642 --> 00:02:10,767 Maverick: That's a great question. 51 00:02:10,850 --> 00:02:12,266 LeBron, you can speak to that cause you, 52 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:14,725 first time you were around all white people when you came to high school. 53 00:02:14,808 --> 00:02:17,600 LeBron: Yeah, yeah. I went to an all white high school, Catholic high school. 54 00:02:17,683 --> 00:02:18,850 So... 55 00:02:18,933 --> 00:02:21,642 like, when I first went to the ninth grade in high school, 56 00:02:21,725 --> 00:02:22,933 I was on some, like, 57 00:02:23,016 --> 00:02:24,516 -"I'm not fucking with white people." -Jon: Right. 58 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,808 Like, cause my whole, I was so institutionalized growing up in the hood, 59 00:02:27,892 --> 00:02:29,475 it's like, "They don't fuck with us. 60 00:02:29,558 --> 00:02:31,183 They don't want us to succeed." 61 00:02:31,266 --> 00:02:32,642 The hierarchy, and then we're here. 62 00:02:32,725 --> 00:02:34,683 Like, matter of fact, we're underneath this chair. 63 00:02:34,767 --> 00:02:38,475 So I'm like, "I'm going to this school to play ball and that's it." 64 00:02:38,558 --> 00:02:40,183 I don't want nothing to do with white people. 65 00:02:40,266 --> 00:02:42,433 -I don't believe that they want-- -You don't want no friends. 66 00:02:42,516 --> 00:02:43,725 It's me and my boys. 67 00:02:43,808 --> 00:02:45,808 We're going to high school together and we here to hoop. 68 00:02:45,892 --> 00:02:48,016 So that was, like, my initial, 69 00:02:48,099 --> 00:02:52,642 like, thoughts and my initial shock to, like, white America, 70 00:02:52,725 --> 00:02:54,974 when I was 14 years old for the first time in my life. 71 00:02:55,058 --> 00:02:56,683 And that's Catholic school. 72 00:02:56,767 --> 00:02:58,642 -LeBron: Yeah. -Which is even whiter America. 73 00:02:58,725 --> 00:03:00,475 (laughter) 74 00:03:00,558 --> 00:03:02,475 Levels to white America. 75 00:03:02,558 --> 00:03:03,767 LeBron: It took me a little while. 76 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:05,683 To-- to kinda adjust to it. 77 00:03:05,767 --> 00:03:08,183 It's hard to balance because I'm a kid that, 78 00:03:08,266 --> 00:03:11,350 that plays this game at such a high level. 79 00:03:11,433 --> 00:03:13,850 You're in your mind, like, "Are they happy that I'm here 80 00:03:13,933 --> 00:03:16,224 -because of who I am?" -Jon: Right. 81 00:03:16,308 --> 00:03:18,808 "Or because of my conversation that I can have with them." 82 00:03:18,892 --> 00:03:21,850 Sport and basketball, it's the most unifying thing. 83 00:03:21,933 --> 00:03:24,558 By the end of the year, all of us were best friends. 84 00:03:24,642 --> 00:03:26,558 Our black friends from the hood was coming. 85 00:03:26,642 --> 00:03:28,391 -Yeah. -His white friends, and we were just all 86 00:03:28,475 --> 00:03:30,058 -having a fucking great time. -And like I told you before, 87 00:03:30,141 --> 00:03:33,308 the first time I ever found out about a pantry is when I went to high school. 88 00:03:33,391 --> 00:03:34,558 -(laughter) -Jon: Wow. 89 00:03:34,642 --> 00:03:38,183 -Bread, cereal, chips. -Right. 90 00:03:38,266 --> 00:03:41,516 -Donuts. -Donuts, all that shit is on the top of the refrigerator. 91 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,808 When I got to high school is the first time I knew about a pantry. 92 00:03:43,892 --> 00:03:45,224 First time you open a pantry is 93 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:46,933 like the briefcase in "Pulp Fiction." 94 00:03:47,016 --> 00:03:48,683 It's just, like, a light comes out, you know? 95 00:03:48,767 --> 00:03:51,391 Oh, my God, this is-- I've never seen this before. 96 00:03:51,475 --> 00:03:54,933 -Yeah, yeah. -All the snacks in the world are right here in front of me. 97 00:03:55,016 --> 00:03:57,767 -Yeah, dear God. (laughs) -Jon: LeBron brought it up earlier, he's like, 98 00:03:57,850 --> 00:03:59,933 "Am I here cause I can play basketball? 99 00:04:00,016 --> 00:04:02,391 And would these kids accept me if not?" 100 00:04:02,475 --> 00:04:03,892 And does that ever go away? 101 00:04:03,974 --> 00:04:05,433 Cause that's stress. 102 00:04:05,516 --> 00:04:08,558 Like, if you feel like even in your success, 103 00:04:08,642 --> 00:04:12,850 you can never escape that level of scrutiny... 104 00:04:12,933 --> 00:04:15,099 I could see that 105 00:04:15,183 --> 00:04:18,767 -making you crazy and angry. -Maverick: 100%. 106 00:04:18,850 --> 00:04:21,892 Absolutely. Because I think the difference 107 00:04:21,974 --> 00:04:23,892 between us as African Americans 108 00:04:23,974 --> 00:04:25,391 and us growing up in the hood is that, 109 00:04:25,475 --> 00:04:26,683 there's not many people that make it. 110 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:28,974 When you're finally in a position where you're like, 111 00:04:29,058 --> 00:04:30,767 "Oh, I can do this shit?" 112 00:04:30,850 --> 00:04:32,642 You want to bring the whole community with you. 113 00:04:32,725 --> 00:04:33,767 Jon: We are entertainers. 114 00:04:33,850 --> 00:04:36,600 And there is something to being an entertainer 115 00:04:36,683 --> 00:04:39,433 that coming out of communities 116 00:04:39,516 --> 00:04:42,433 that are not majority communities that are not represented, 117 00:04:42,516 --> 00:04:45,767 that is a little bit of, "Please let me stay." 118 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:47,266 That's something they have to unlearn, 119 00:04:47,350 --> 00:04:49,600 just like we have to unlearn the fact of, 120 00:04:49,683 --> 00:04:50,558 "Please let me stay." 121 00:04:50,642 --> 00:04:52,141 It should not be "Please let me stay." 122 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:53,224 It should be that you need me. 123 00:04:53,308 --> 00:04:55,391 When an entertainer begins to move to that, 124 00:04:55,475 --> 00:04:59,141 look at how angry it makes them. 125 00:04:59,224 --> 00:05:00,808 "Shut up and dribble." 126 00:05:00,892 --> 00:05:04,308 "Formation? No, you go back to entertaining us." 127 00:05:04,391 --> 00:05:07,058 -You are entertainers! -Jon: With no sense of... 128 00:05:07,141 --> 00:05:09,433 how your community really feels 129 00:05:09,516 --> 00:05:11,099 about its place in our country. 130 00:05:11,183 --> 00:05:13,099 -Yeah. -They don't want to hear that. 131 00:05:13,183 --> 00:05:15,016 Vince: What they have to understand is it's not their country, 132 00:05:15,099 --> 00:05:16,308 and you know that from the numbers. 133 00:05:16,391 --> 00:05:18,767 So, if it's really "shut up and dribble," 134 00:05:18,850 --> 00:05:20,933 then the shoes don't sell, then the jerseys don't sell. 135 00:05:21,016 --> 00:05:23,350 -Vince: And the games don't keep running. -Right, but isn't that Trump? 136 00:05:23,433 --> 00:05:26,808 Isn't Trump saying to them, "No, no, no, no, no. It's our country." 137 00:05:26,892 --> 00:05:28,475 -Maverick: Well, I think-- -It's gotta be! 138 00:05:28,558 --> 00:05:31,433 Well, what it is it's like, it's that last swing before you get knocked out. 139 00:05:31,516 --> 00:05:34,099 -And... -(laughter) 140 00:05:34,183 --> 00:05:37,475 If it connects, then you might be okay, but most of the time it don't, 141 00:05:37,558 --> 00:05:39,683 and you're on the ground with the noodle arms. 142 00:05:39,767 --> 00:05:41,808 So, the noodle arms are coming. 143 00:05:41,892 --> 00:05:44,892 ♪♪ 144 00:05:53,433 --> 00:05:55,308 Maverick: To be great you have to give up a lot of shit. 145 00:05:55,391 --> 00:05:58,308 You have to sacrifice shit. Time with family. 146 00:05:58,391 --> 00:05:59,516 -Privacy. -Privacy. 147 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,350 -That's the biggest one. -Kids! Time with your kids. 148 00:06:02,433 --> 00:06:04,016 Maverick: Certain foods, things. 149 00:06:04,099 --> 00:06:06,058 But from the female perspective, a female athlete, 150 00:06:06,141 --> 00:06:08,516 are there certain things that you had to sacrifice 151 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,558 that you look back and go... 152 00:06:09,642 --> 00:06:12,350 "I wish I didn't have to sacrifice those things?" 153 00:06:12,433 --> 00:06:15,141 I think it really started when I became a mom. 154 00:06:15,224 --> 00:06:18,516 My image of my mom, she was there every day. 155 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,058 She dropped me off. She cooked dinner. 156 00:06:20,141 --> 00:06:21,224 She did all these things. 157 00:06:21,308 --> 00:06:24,058 So my image of what a mother was supposed to be and act 158 00:06:24,141 --> 00:06:26,391 was a lot different than what I'm able to give my daughter. 159 00:06:26,475 --> 00:06:28,516 Like, I'm not able to be there every second, 160 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,683 and fix every meal and help her with every homework. 161 00:06:31,767 --> 00:06:33,224 And for me, it was hard for me, 162 00:06:33,308 --> 00:06:34,850 because I struggled, you know, 163 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:36,475 to balance the work and mom 164 00:06:36,558 --> 00:06:38,683 because you have these expectations that you're supposed to be at, you know, 165 00:06:38,767 --> 00:06:40,933 at home for your kid and take care and drop 'em off. 166 00:06:41,016 --> 00:06:42,767 But then I'm trying to work 167 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:45,058 and make a better life for her as well. 168 00:06:45,141 --> 00:06:46,558 You know, you talk about sacrifices, 169 00:06:46,642 --> 00:06:48,016 when I got pregnant with my daughter, 170 00:06:48,099 --> 00:06:49,433 people shouldn't be looking at me crazy. 171 00:06:49,516 --> 00:06:51,058 You gave up a year of your career. 172 00:06:51,141 --> 00:06:52,350 I gave a year up of my career. 173 00:06:52,433 --> 00:06:53,558 LeBron: For us, as athletes, 174 00:06:53,642 --> 00:06:56,933 it is the longest shortest thing that we can do in our life 175 00:06:57,016 --> 00:06:58,892 to get the maximum out of it. 176 00:06:58,974 --> 00:07:03,391 If you lose the joy of the craft that you're in, 177 00:07:03,475 --> 00:07:05,558 then you're gonna cheat the game and you're gonna cheat yourself. 178 00:07:05,642 --> 00:07:07,433 And then ultimately you're gonna cheat your loved ones. 179 00:07:07,516 --> 00:07:10,433 And that's why I'm still doing what I'm doing 180 00:07:10,516 --> 00:07:12,933 because I want to continue to inspire, 181 00:07:13,016 --> 00:07:15,058 not only the people in my household, 182 00:07:15,141 --> 00:07:18,099 but everybody that I can while I can. 183 00:07:18,183 --> 00:07:20,433 Like this motherfucker is the greatest 184 00:07:20,516 --> 00:07:22,558 I've ever seen do what he's doing. 185 00:07:22,642 --> 00:07:26,600 To be able to age and continue to reinvent himself 186 00:07:26,683 --> 00:07:29,892 year after year, decade after decade, 187 00:07:29,974 --> 00:07:33,391 and still be relevant and still be able to have people follow him, 188 00:07:33,475 --> 00:07:34,808 that shit is hard as hell. 189 00:07:34,892 --> 00:07:37,099 Is it shit that come along in the game that reinvigorates you? 190 00:07:37,183 --> 00:07:39,433 I never was cool with being second. 191 00:07:39,516 --> 00:07:41,558 I don't know what second place felt like. 192 00:07:41,642 --> 00:07:43,433 And you can call it cocky or whatever the fuck you want, 193 00:07:43,516 --> 00:07:45,600 but I just don't like being in second place. 194 00:07:45,683 --> 00:07:48,600 And sometimes I feel like I have to reinvent myself 195 00:07:48,683 --> 00:07:50,933 because I done fell back to second place. 196 00:07:51,016 --> 00:07:53,433 And it's not because it is what it is. It is what it ain't. 197 00:07:53,516 --> 00:07:55,808 It's like you're not that young rapper no more. 198 00:07:55,933 --> 00:07:57,933 You're not that young fly MC. 199 00:07:58,016 --> 00:08:00,099 But I still can pull a move on you motherfuckers real quick. 200 00:08:00,183 --> 00:08:01,141 -Sh-bop, bop, bop. -(snaps) 201 00:08:01,224 --> 00:08:02,350 (laughing) 202 00:08:02,433 --> 00:08:03,850 But what I appreciate about Snoop is 203 00:08:03,933 --> 00:08:05,224 he doesn't follow the wind. 204 00:08:05,308 --> 00:08:07,350 -Maverick: No. -And that's when you know you have an artist 205 00:08:07,433 --> 00:08:08,892 and not just a performer. 206 00:08:08,974 --> 00:08:11,141 Is, if you follow the wind, you see guys that do that all the time. 207 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:12,433 Like, "What's in now, disco?" 208 00:08:12,516 --> 00:08:13,683 Alright, I'm gonna put on a shiny suit 209 00:08:13,767 --> 00:08:15,099 and I'm gonna go out there and do that. 210 00:08:15,183 --> 00:08:17,183 -He is-- Always. -Maverick: He's himself! 211 00:08:17,266 --> 00:08:19,433 It's not easy to age gracefully. 212 00:08:19,516 --> 00:08:21,808 -I left. -You left! 213 00:08:21,892 --> 00:08:23,808 Because at a certain point, 214 00:08:23,892 --> 00:08:25,808 you cannot perform 215 00:08:25,892 --> 00:08:27,974 to the same level that you perform. 216 00:08:28,058 --> 00:08:30,308 -I evolved it in the best-- -How did you know though? 217 00:08:30,391 --> 00:08:34,516 I began to make decisions based on laziness. 218 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,516 They'd pitch me an idea, and they'd say, you know, "We'll go down at noon, 219 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,600 "you put on your suit, 220 00:08:38,683 --> 00:08:40,350 we'll go out and we'll do a bit." And I'll go... 221 00:08:40,433 --> 00:08:43,350 "What if we did that at rehearsal 222 00:08:43,433 --> 00:08:45,183 "and I didn't wear a suit, 223 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:47,558 I just wore the shit I'm wearing right now." 224 00:08:47,642 --> 00:08:48,974 (laughter) 225 00:08:49,058 --> 00:08:52,642 Jon: And at that point I was like, "Oh! I'm lazy about this." 226 00:08:52,725 --> 00:08:56,308 When I got the show that I got I was 35 years old. 227 00:08:56,391 --> 00:08:57,850 Like I'd been through it. 228 00:08:57,933 --> 00:08:59,850 I'd done shows that had gotten cancelled. 229 00:08:59,933 --> 00:09:01,183 I'd written for other people. 230 00:09:01,266 --> 00:09:04,892 I'd done, you know, lived out of my car doing standup shows. 231 00:09:04,974 --> 00:09:06,516 Like I had been through it. 232 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,350 And I gave everything that I could to this last chance. 233 00:09:10,433 --> 00:09:11,683 And it worked. 234 00:09:11,767 --> 00:09:13,850 But after evolving it after 16 or 17 years, 235 00:09:13,933 --> 00:09:15,350 I realized, 236 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:18,350 it was time for someone else to have that chance. 237 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:20,016 Most people don't do that, Jon. 238 00:09:20,099 --> 00:09:21,850 I was satisfied. 239 00:09:21,933 --> 00:09:23,558 So you want LeBron to retire? 240 00:09:23,642 --> 00:09:26,516 No, but he also said, he started to cheat the game. 241 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,516 -That's exactly right. -When I don't want to go to practice, 242 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,558 -I don't want to wake up and work out... -Jon: That's right. 243 00:09:30,642 --> 00:09:33,099 -I'm not giving what I can to this game... -Jon: That's right. 244 00:09:33,183 --> 00:09:36,099 Then it's somebody else that needs to be in this position. 245 00:09:36,183 --> 00:09:38,558 -And that's why said he gave it up. -LeBron, let me ask you this. 246 00:09:38,642 --> 00:09:40,391 After 15 years, eight straight Finals, 247 00:09:40,475 --> 00:09:42,850 you still feel you want to get up and work? 248 00:09:42,933 --> 00:09:46,016 It's not burning like that 10 years ago. 249 00:09:46,099 --> 00:09:48,016 Here, but right here it is. 250 00:09:48,099 --> 00:09:50,391 I know exactly what the fuck I need to do. 251 00:09:50,475 --> 00:09:52,058 I know how to do it. 252 00:09:52,141 --> 00:09:54,058 And I know how I'ma get the best out of myself. 253 00:09:54,141 --> 00:09:56,433 I don't need you to push me. 254 00:09:56,516 --> 00:09:57,516 Right. 255 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,933 Once it get to a point where 256 00:09:59,016 --> 00:10:01,600 you still need people to push you at a certain age, 257 00:10:01,683 --> 00:10:03,433 then you don't need to be doing it no more. 258 00:10:03,516 --> 00:10:06,058 And what helps is my fucking kids playing. 259 00:10:06,141 --> 00:10:07,642 -Snoop: Mmm! -Maverick: That's interesting. 260 00:10:07,725 --> 00:10:10,099 Watching my boys play ball, 261 00:10:10,183 --> 00:10:12,767 like last year was the first, like, 262 00:10:12,850 --> 00:10:15,974 I really had some time to go watch them play in the summer. 263 00:10:16,058 --> 00:10:18,058 Like really sat down, 264 00:10:18,141 --> 00:10:20,099 went to, like, four or five tournaments. 265 00:10:20,183 --> 00:10:21,642 And I'm sitting there, 266 00:10:21,725 --> 00:10:22,850 and I'm watching the game, 267 00:10:22,933 --> 00:10:25,308 and I feel my motherfucking hands just start sweating. 268 00:10:25,391 --> 00:10:27,600 I feel, like, my chest start sweating. 269 00:10:27,683 --> 00:10:31,433 And I'm like, man, "These is 13, or ten year olds out here hooping. 270 00:10:31,516 --> 00:10:33,475 -(laughter) -LeBron: Why are you feeling like this?" 271 00:10:33,558 --> 00:10:35,266 Then it went from, like, just sitting there. 272 00:10:35,350 --> 00:10:37,391 And then it went from, like, to this. 273 00:10:37,475 --> 00:10:38,600 Like, "Let's go!" 274 00:10:38,683 --> 00:10:40,099 And then it went from me sitting on the bench 275 00:10:40,183 --> 00:10:42,433 -to me getting in an argument. I got in an argument-- -(laughter) 276 00:10:42,516 --> 00:10:44,974 Maverick: You turned into the crazy AAU dad? 277 00:10:45,058 --> 00:10:47,683 Yo, you turned into the crazy AAU dad. 278 00:10:47,767 --> 00:10:51,141 First of all, I didn't get into an argument with a AAU dad. 279 00:10:51,224 --> 00:10:53,308 I got in an argument with a AAU mom. 280 00:10:53,391 --> 00:10:54,350 -Snoop: What?! -What? 281 00:10:54,433 --> 00:10:56,141 -A mother?! -With a mother. 282 00:10:56,224 --> 00:10:57,808 Jerrod: (indistinct) you did do something. 283 00:10:57,892 --> 00:10:59,974 I did. I did. 284 00:11:00,058 --> 00:11:03,141 I did, and you want to know who the first person I apologized to? 285 00:11:03,224 --> 00:11:04,808 It was my mom that was sitting right here. 286 00:11:04,892 --> 00:11:07,099 And the reason I apologized to my mom, 287 00:11:07,183 --> 00:11:09,308 because I used to get on my mom so much. 288 00:11:09,391 --> 00:11:11,308 -Odell: For doing the same shit. -LeBron: When I was a kid, 289 00:11:11,391 --> 00:11:12,974 and she used to go crazy at my AAU games, 290 00:11:13,058 --> 00:11:15,767 I used to be like, "Mom, chill out, Mom. I don't want this." 291 00:11:15,850 --> 00:11:17,974 And I went crazy about my kids. 292 00:11:18,058 --> 00:11:20,433 -And I was like, I was like, "Mom, I'm sorry." -You felt her pain. 293 00:11:20,516 --> 00:11:22,141 Snoop: You did the same thing. The cycle. 294 00:11:22,224 --> 00:11:24,141 "I'm sorry." But that shit, like, 295 00:11:24,224 --> 00:11:27,016 it, like, gave me, like, it gave me some motherfuckin'-- 296 00:11:27,099 --> 00:11:28,350 I was like, "I'm ready to hoop again." 297 00:11:28,433 --> 00:11:29,725 Jon: What do you say to your kid though? 298 00:11:29,808 --> 00:11:32,350 Like, living up to you being their dad. 299 00:11:32,433 --> 00:11:34,850 So you're-- you're their dad and they're coming up 300 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:37,974 and they're playing the same sport that you played 301 00:11:38,058 --> 00:11:41,058 better than anyone else in the world has ever played it. 302 00:11:41,141 --> 00:11:42,308 How do you... 303 00:11:42,391 --> 00:11:45,391 how do you give them a peace of mind 304 00:11:45,475 --> 00:11:47,016 that they don't have to be you? 305 00:11:47,099 --> 00:11:49,016 How can their excellence be their own? 306 00:11:49,099 --> 00:11:53,224 I still regret giving my 14 year old my name because of that. 307 00:11:53,308 --> 00:11:54,350 Right. 308 00:11:54,433 --> 00:11:57,016 LeBron: Like when I was younger, didn't have a dad. 309 00:11:57,099 --> 00:11:58,683 So, my whole thing was like, 310 00:11:58,767 --> 00:12:00,558 "Whenever I have a kid, 311 00:12:00,642 --> 00:12:01,725 "not only is he gonna be a junior, 312 00:12:01,808 --> 00:12:04,683 I'm gonna do everything that this man didn't do." 313 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:07,058 I don't even know what the situation was that was going on with him 314 00:12:07,141 --> 00:12:08,558 but I knew I would be there for my son. 315 00:12:08,642 --> 00:12:11,350 Like, I'm gonna lay it down, I'm gonna be the best father I can be. 316 00:12:11,433 --> 00:12:12,433 With the time that I can give, 317 00:12:12,516 --> 00:12:14,683 but I'm gonna give even more time than I can give. 318 00:12:14,767 --> 00:12:17,099 And now I sit back and I'm like... 319 00:12:17,183 --> 00:12:19,516 "Fuck, I've actually kind of set him up." 320 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,224 And I should have known 321 00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:22,683 that him just being around the game, 322 00:12:22,767 --> 00:12:23,892 he was gonna want to play the game. 323 00:12:23,974 --> 00:12:26,767 They're gonna experience things that I didn't experience. 324 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:28,725 Only thing I could do is give 'em the blueprint 325 00:12:28,808 --> 00:12:30,892 and it's up to them to take their own course. 326 00:12:30,974 --> 00:12:33,058 I hear my daughter sometimes say, "I can't." 327 00:12:33,141 --> 00:12:34,725 Yes, you can. You absolutely can. 328 00:12:34,808 --> 00:12:36,850 I don't want to hear that "you can't" stuff. 329 00:12:36,933 --> 00:12:39,058 Try it, fail, 330 00:12:39,141 --> 00:12:40,391 and then try that shit again. 331 00:12:40,475 --> 00:12:41,725 And continue to do it over and over. 332 00:12:41,808 --> 00:12:43,224 Don't ever say you can't do something. 333 00:12:43,308 --> 00:12:45,516 -Yes! -LeBron: Because then you shelter your mind, 334 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,558 to where something could happen at three years old, 335 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:48,725 if you say you can't do something, 336 00:12:48,808 --> 00:12:50,642 then they carry it all the way to 25 years old. 337 00:12:50,725 --> 00:12:52,391 To hear you say that to your daughter, 338 00:12:52,475 --> 00:12:55,141 there's so many people that say that to their sons, 339 00:12:55,224 --> 00:12:56,808 and they don't say that to their daughters. 340 00:12:56,892 --> 00:12:58,391 -They do it for them. -That's interesting. 341 00:12:58,475 --> 00:13:00,099 And I was brought up in a household 342 00:13:00,183 --> 00:13:01,642 where I had the same curfew as my brothers. 343 00:13:01,725 --> 00:13:03,099 I was told I can do the same thing. 344 00:13:03,183 --> 00:13:04,808 I didn't have rules that were different. 345 00:13:04,892 --> 00:13:06,391 And I think that that's-- 346 00:13:06,475 --> 00:13:07,642 That means a lot to me 347 00:13:07,725 --> 00:13:09,516 because I'm bringing up my daughter that way. 348 00:13:11,892 --> 00:13:13,767 Can LeBron ever come out and say, 349 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:15,642 "I'm the best basketball player playin'?" 350 00:13:15,725 --> 00:13:17,391 I think you should say that. 351 00:13:17,475 --> 00:13:19,266 I think you should believe that. 352 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:21,808 And you should definitely let the world know that. 353 00:13:21,892 --> 00:13:23,725 I think Bron over the last four years 354 00:13:23,808 --> 00:13:24,974 became LeBron James. 355 00:13:25,058 --> 00:13:26,725 And it wasn't nothing to do with winning 356 00:13:26,808 --> 00:13:28,974 it wasn't nothing to do with stats. He found himself. 357 00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:30,974 People didn't start to view him 358 00:13:31,058 --> 00:13:32,808 as they view him now, 359 00:13:32,892 --> 00:13:35,099 until he became that force, 360 00:13:35,183 --> 00:13:36,683 that man to say "I'm here." 361 00:13:37,725 --> 00:13:41,016 I feel like for years, he shied away from saying I'm here. 362 00:13:41,099 --> 00:13:43,266 And when he started to say, 363 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:45,642 "Fuck y'all, I'm here." 364 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:47,433 That's when he became who he is, 365 00:13:47,516 --> 00:13:50,808 and no one would have ever said that until he did it himself. 366 00:13:50,892 --> 00:13:51,974 Motherfuckers fucked with Mike 367 00:13:52,058 --> 00:13:54,974 because Mike was like, "I'm Mike with my hooping ring. 368 00:13:55,058 --> 00:13:56,808 Fuck all y'all, I'm here." 369 00:13:56,892 --> 00:13:58,475 And until he did that, 370 00:13:58,558 --> 00:14:01,308 that's when he became the figurehead that he is. 371 00:14:01,391 --> 00:14:02,767 So many people shy away from that 372 00:14:02,850 --> 00:14:04,600 and that's why they never reach their full potential. 373 00:14:04,683 --> 00:14:06,683 When you're growing up in sports or hip-hop, 374 00:14:06,767 --> 00:14:07,974 whatever the case may be, 375 00:14:08,058 --> 00:14:09,642 all you hear is, like, 376 00:14:09,725 --> 00:14:10,642 "I want to be the best." 377 00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:13,141 Whoever's the best, they do it their way, 378 00:14:13,224 --> 00:14:15,016 whatever the case may be. 379 00:14:15,099 --> 00:14:17,350 And then, when you do it your way, 380 00:14:17,433 --> 00:14:19,683 and you win... 381 00:14:19,767 --> 00:14:20,850 it still ain't enough. 382 00:14:20,933 --> 00:14:21,974 It still ain't enough. 383 00:14:22,058 --> 00:14:24,350 And that's for-- for us as African Americans, 384 00:14:24,433 --> 00:14:28,308 because I believe if the greatest quarterback in the world, 385 00:14:28,391 --> 00:14:29,642 he's a white quarterback, 386 00:14:29,725 --> 00:14:32,058 if it's Brady, if it's Rodgers, if it's Manning, 387 00:14:32,141 --> 00:14:34,475 and we're doing the same shit, the same exact shit, 388 00:14:34,558 --> 00:14:36,308 I'm talking about the phone is on. We're like, yo, 389 00:14:36,391 --> 00:14:37,808 "Get that fucking phone out of my face. 390 00:14:37,892 --> 00:14:38,850 I'm with my family." 391 00:14:38,933 --> 00:14:40,224 If we're out with our family, 392 00:14:40,308 --> 00:14:42,391 and we say that shit, and somebody posts it, 393 00:14:42,475 --> 00:14:44,058 and if Aaron Rodgers or one of those guys 394 00:14:44,141 --> 00:14:45,391 say that shit, and they post it, 395 00:14:45,475 --> 00:14:46,850 somebody's gonna be like, 396 00:14:46,933 --> 00:14:49,350 "Hey, you guys should-- you guys should respect Aaron Rodgers." 397 00:14:49,433 --> 00:14:51,475 They're gonna say to us, "Oh, you guys are fucking dickheads." 398 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:53,850 I had it happen the other day. I didn't want to take a picture. 399 00:14:53,933 --> 00:14:55,892 I'm like, "I'm really in a rush, I gotta go." 400 00:14:55,974 --> 00:14:57,224 I get on Twitter, it's like, 401 00:14:57,308 --> 00:14:59,725 "Oh, yeah, I'm a Giants season ticket holder for 30 years." 402 00:14:59,808 --> 00:15:01,433 I'm like, "First of all, you're 20-something." 403 00:15:01,516 --> 00:15:02,600 (laughter) 404 00:15:02,683 --> 00:15:04,391 And then it's like, "Oh, he's an asshole, 405 00:15:04,475 --> 00:15:06,433 he didn't want to take a picture." It's like... 406 00:15:06,516 --> 00:15:08,558 To me, I be feeling like, I tell people this all the time 407 00:15:08,642 --> 00:15:10,350 I really feel like a zoo animal. 408 00:15:10,433 --> 00:15:12,058 Like that's where life's gone for me. 409 00:15:12,141 --> 00:15:13,892 You know, you used to take your kids to the zoo 410 00:15:13,974 --> 00:15:15,058 and we used to be like, you know, 411 00:15:15,141 --> 00:15:16,558 "I wannna-- I wanna see the lions 412 00:15:16,642 --> 00:15:18,058 or let's go see the lions." 413 00:15:18,141 --> 00:15:19,224 And you go out there, 414 00:15:19,308 --> 00:15:21,391 and the lions are laid out. You know what I mean? 415 00:15:21,475 --> 00:15:23,850 It's like, why aren't they doing lion stuff, you know what I mean? 416 00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:26,224 Like I've got people who call, "Odell! Dance!" 417 00:15:26,308 --> 00:15:28,933 (stammering) Like-- like I'm a show punk, 418 00:15:29,016 --> 00:15:30,058 a show monkey or something. 419 00:15:30,141 --> 00:15:31,725 Like I'm a puppet, you know what I mean? 420 00:15:31,808 --> 00:15:33,433 And it's like to me, that doesn't feel good, 421 00:15:33,516 --> 00:15:36,099 but it's like, damn, that's what life became, but... 422 00:15:36,183 --> 00:15:38,433 can you ever really detach from that? 423 00:15:38,516 --> 00:15:41,683 ♪♪ 424 00:15:46,558 --> 00:15:49,224 Jerrod: I think the frustration comes from me having to 425 00:15:49,308 --> 00:15:51,141 watch people pretend "Hamilton" was good. 426 00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:52,308 Oh! 427 00:15:52,391 --> 00:15:53,725 People from the upper west side 428 00:15:53,808 --> 00:15:55,266 telling me what good rap is. 429 00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:56,933 "Hamilton" was, at best, 430 00:15:57,016 --> 00:15:59,600 the best community center performance 431 00:15:59,683 --> 00:16:00,892 that I've ever seen. 432 00:16:00,974 --> 00:16:02,141 It was a piece of shit. 433 00:16:02,224 --> 00:16:04,224 It was terrible. We had to pretend, 434 00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:05,600 and that was part of the wave of life. 435 00:16:05,683 --> 00:16:07,933 But that rapping, fuck you. It was terrible. 436 00:16:08,016 --> 00:16:11,391 It'd be like Jews going, "'Fiddler On The Roof' was bullshit!" 437 00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:13,558 -(laughter) -This is not-- it can't be happening. 438 00:16:13,642 --> 00:16:14,600 The way black people, 439 00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:16,475 the way we view hip-hop, 440 00:16:16,558 --> 00:16:19,099 the bars aren't there, the beats aren't there. 441 00:16:19,183 --> 00:16:21,433 But all the white people fucked with it 442 00:16:21,516 --> 00:16:22,600 and it was this big thing. 443 00:16:22,683 --> 00:16:24,850 "Hamilton," first of all, you shouldn't look at it 444 00:16:24,933 --> 00:16:26,308 and compare it to, you know, 445 00:16:26,391 --> 00:16:28,266 -to Kendrick Lamar. -Maverick: To Snoop Dogg, Jon. 446 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:30,350 Jon: Or to Snoop Dogg, cause it's not within that. 447 00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:32,016 You should compare it to "Cats." 448 00:16:32,099 --> 00:16:34,141 -So the reason why-- -We don't even know what "Cats" is. 449 00:16:34,224 --> 00:16:36,141 -Exactly. -Snoop: It's a play. 450 00:16:36,224 --> 00:16:37,600 It's a play, a Broadway play. 451 00:16:37,683 --> 00:16:40,308 -People dress in leotards on Broadway. -Snoop: People dressed as cats. 452 00:16:40,391 --> 00:16:42,475 Shit in the '80s. Y'all niggas was little kids when it came out. 453 00:16:42,558 --> 00:16:43,642 Jon: You're talking about Broadway. 454 00:16:43,725 --> 00:16:45,475 To me, it just sounded like when they sent people, 455 00:16:45,558 --> 00:16:47,433 uh, to rap multiplication to me 456 00:16:47,516 --> 00:16:48,974 when I was an inner city youth. 457 00:16:49,058 --> 00:16:51,475 Cause they're like, "That's the way we're gonna get through to him." 458 00:16:51,558 --> 00:16:52,767 (laughter) 459 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:54,933 I normally wouldn't support bullshit that I don't like, 460 00:16:55,016 --> 00:16:55,974 but at this moment 461 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:57,516 for the-- for the team, 462 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,350 I'll take one for the team. 463 00:16:59,433 --> 00:17:00,683 We move everything. 464 00:17:00,767 --> 00:17:01,850 We move the way people dress. 465 00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:03,183 We move the way people think. 466 00:17:03,266 --> 00:17:04,516 We move the way people dance. 467 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:05,850 Music people listen to. 468 00:17:05,933 --> 00:17:07,558 We move the way people play sports. 469 00:17:07,642 --> 00:17:08,767 Snoop: And the way they talk. 470 00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:11,516 When I first went to, uh, London for the first time, 471 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,475 me and Dre hit the stage. 472 00:17:13,558 --> 00:17:15,558 There was like 75,000 motherfuckers in the audience 473 00:17:15,642 --> 00:17:17,183 and they just was rocking, right? 474 00:17:17,266 --> 00:17:18,558 I kept going back overseas, 475 00:17:18,642 --> 00:17:19,850 and every country I went to, 476 00:17:19,933 --> 00:17:22,183 my shit was getting bigger and bigger. 477 00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:24,350 And then the cool part was, 478 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:25,892 the way you say I raised y'all, 479 00:17:25,974 --> 00:17:27,224 I raised a lot of people overseas 480 00:17:27,308 --> 00:17:29,391 and taught them how to speak fuckin' English through my music. 481 00:17:29,475 --> 00:17:31,683 Because we globally effect the whole world, 482 00:17:31,767 --> 00:17:33,683 black people are more respected outside of America 483 00:17:33,767 --> 00:17:34,974 than they are in America. 484 00:17:35,058 --> 00:17:37,308 -Maverick: That's a good point. -That's-- that's interesting. 485 00:17:37,391 --> 00:17:38,391 Oh, that's a fact! 486 00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:39,642 That's a fact! 487 00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:41,725 It's more so of black people not knowing who they are. 488 00:17:41,808 --> 00:17:44,391 The reason we struggle as black people is because 489 00:17:44,475 --> 00:17:45,892 we don't know who we are. 490 00:17:45,974 --> 00:17:47,600 -Say that. -And so, 491 00:17:47,683 --> 00:17:49,350 I mean, if you want to be quite frank about it, 492 00:17:49,433 --> 00:17:50,933 white people know who we are. 493 00:17:51,016 --> 00:17:52,433 That's why they keep fucking kicking us. 494 00:17:52,516 --> 00:17:53,850 Why don't we get down with each other 495 00:17:53,933 --> 00:17:55,350 when we're in the same lane? 496 00:17:55,433 --> 00:17:56,850 -100%. -It would make more sense. 497 00:17:56,933 --> 00:17:57,892 It makes much more sense, 498 00:17:57,974 --> 00:17:59,683 and you actually can become 499 00:17:59,767 --> 00:18:01,683 in control of our thing. 500 00:18:01,767 --> 00:18:03,725 Because we're really creating it. 501 00:18:03,808 --> 00:18:05,725 The reason other cultures are so strong, 502 00:18:05,808 --> 00:18:07,850 like a Jew is gonna look out for a Jew. 503 00:18:07,933 --> 00:18:10,433 A Chinese man is gonna look out 504 00:18:10,516 --> 00:18:12,558 -for a Chinese man. -Jon: Eh... 505 00:18:12,642 --> 00:18:14,725 Draymond: You can "Ah, ah" all you want. 506 00:18:14,808 --> 00:18:17,183 Jews look out for Jews, period. 507 00:18:17,266 --> 00:18:19,600 (voices overlapping) 508 00:18:19,683 --> 00:18:22,433 But you know why, though, is cause they realize that they been through something 509 00:18:22,516 --> 00:18:23,767 they never want it to happen again. 510 00:18:23,850 --> 00:18:25,433 -Right. -Humankind is tribal in nature. 511 00:18:25,516 --> 00:18:27,391 100%. Take care of each other. 512 00:18:27,475 --> 00:18:31,475 We are born to join and be with groups where we find identity. 513 00:18:31,558 --> 00:18:34,725 It's why team fanship is so strong. 514 00:18:34,808 --> 00:18:36,475 You know, if we didn't have religion, 515 00:18:36,558 --> 00:18:39,224 we'd find other ways to go to war with each other. 516 00:18:39,308 --> 00:18:41,141 Cause we are tribal in nature 517 00:18:41,224 --> 00:18:43,224 and we fight over resources. 518 00:18:43,308 --> 00:18:47,642 And when you start to believe that your resources are finite, 519 00:18:47,725 --> 00:18:49,933 you begin to treat others 520 00:18:50,016 --> 00:18:53,725 as foes and rivals and enemies. 521 00:18:53,808 --> 00:18:55,391 -Right. -Jon: What would unite us as people? 522 00:18:55,475 --> 00:18:56,933 If fuckin' aliens came. 523 00:18:57,016 --> 00:18:58,767 And then we'd all be like, "Humans are in trouble." 524 00:18:58,850 --> 00:19:01,058 Humans are-- That's a good point! 525 00:19:01,141 --> 00:19:03,016 That was a good point. 526 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:06,767 Did you fear when-- when you began 527 00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:08,308 to talk about your experience, 528 00:19:08,391 --> 00:19:11,642 did you fear the loss of that shine? 529 00:19:11,725 --> 00:19:13,642 That's like going to, uh, an amusement park 530 00:19:13,725 --> 00:19:15,433 and you've never rode that rollercoaster. 531 00:19:15,516 --> 00:19:16,933 There's a fear of that, 532 00:19:17,016 --> 00:19:19,475 but there's a joy of saying that I did that. 533 00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:20,974 I want the satisfaction. 534 00:19:21,058 --> 00:19:22,933 Not for myself, but for everybody else. 535 00:19:23,016 --> 00:19:25,600 I was raised off, you know, Snoop and Pac 536 00:19:25,683 --> 00:19:27,308 and Jay and Biggie. 537 00:19:27,391 --> 00:19:29,642 And now I get an opportunity to... 538 00:19:29,725 --> 00:19:31,475 to be the inspiration 539 00:19:31,558 --> 00:19:33,808 around where all these kids are looking up to. 540 00:19:33,892 --> 00:19:36,600 And for me to just sit back and not say shit, 541 00:19:36,683 --> 00:19:38,767 when a lot of my peers didn't say shit. 542 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:40,183 It didn't feel right. 543 00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:42,516 Athletes don't have a responsibility to speak up for nothin'. 544 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,224 You have a responsibility to speak up for what you believe in. 545 00:19:45,308 --> 00:19:46,808 Just because you're an athlete, 546 00:19:46,892 --> 00:19:48,391 and you have a certain platform, 547 00:19:48,475 --> 00:19:51,350 that does not mean you have the responsibility to speak up for anything. 548 00:19:51,433 --> 00:19:53,016 But I feel like at some point in time, 549 00:19:53,099 --> 00:19:55,058 it's like you have to be able to stand up on your morals 550 00:19:55,141 --> 00:19:57,808 simply because you are representing people who look like you 551 00:19:57,892 --> 00:19:59,183 and they're looking up to you for a-- 552 00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:00,683 But what if that ain't your moral though? 553 00:20:00,767 --> 00:20:02,892 What if I don't believe the same thing you believe as a black man? 554 00:20:02,974 --> 00:20:05,141 But we both believe that black kids shouldn't be shot. 555 00:20:05,224 --> 00:20:07,808 I mean, yeah, like, obviously shit like that. 556 00:20:07,892 --> 00:20:11,058 I'm just saying the real social issues of people of color, 557 00:20:11,141 --> 00:20:12,600 every athlete is effected by 'em 558 00:20:12,683 --> 00:20:15,183 because we're the same people that used to be in those neighborhoods, 559 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:17,683 dribbling, walking up and down the street, that used to wear those clothes. 560 00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:18,933 So, when I was growing up, 561 00:20:19,016 --> 00:20:20,725 I was looking for Michael Jordan to say something. 562 00:20:20,808 --> 00:20:23,350 He never did, but now kids can look up and be like, 563 00:20:23,433 --> 00:20:24,350 "What LeBron saying?" 564 00:20:24,433 --> 00:20:25,725 Jon: I liken you to Ali. 565 00:20:25,808 --> 00:20:27,933 Like Ali was, at the time, the Greatest. 566 00:20:28,016 --> 00:20:30,016 -Right. -Jon: But when he spoke out, 567 00:20:30,099 --> 00:20:31,308 he went to jail, man. 568 00:20:31,391 --> 00:20:35,391 -Absolutely. -Even his greatness couldn't insulate him 569 00:20:35,475 --> 00:20:37,224 from those rules that they had set up. 570 00:20:37,308 --> 00:20:39,058 And did you think to yourself like, 571 00:20:39,141 --> 00:20:41,683 "As good as I am, it's not going to matter?" 572 00:20:41,767 --> 00:20:43,391 Yeah, because it's not-- at the end of the day, 573 00:20:43,475 --> 00:20:45,892 when I decided I was gonna start speaking up 574 00:20:45,974 --> 00:20:47,683 and not giving a fuck about the backlash 575 00:20:47,767 --> 00:20:49,224 or if it affects me, 576 00:20:49,308 --> 00:20:51,224 my whole mindset, "Well, it's not about me." 577 00:20:51,308 --> 00:20:53,058 I think Ali already knew, 578 00:20:53,141 --> 00:20:55,683 he knew that it wasn't about him. 579 00:20:55,767 --> 00:20:57,266 "I'ma get the backlash. 580 00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:58,683 "I'ma go to jail. 581 00:20:58,767 --> 00:21:01,058 "But what this is gonna do for the next group, 582 00:21:01,141 --> 00:21:02,475 "what this is gonna do for the next athlete, 583 00:21:02,558 --> 00:21:05,224 "what this is gonna do for the next minority who wants to speak up, 584 00:21:05,308 --> 00:21:06,391 whenever that happens," 585 00:21:06,475 --> 00:21:07,642 Ali's whole mindset was like, 586 00:21:07,725 --> 00:21:11,433 "At some point somebody is gonna take what I did," 587 00:21:11,516 --> 00:21:12,433 and I sensed that. 588 00:21:12,516 --> 00:21:14,266 I sensed that on, you know, 589 00:21:14,350 --> 00:21:16,933 losing this or losing that or losing popularity. 590 00:21:17,016 --> 00:21:18,224 My popularity went down. 591 00:21:18,308 --> 00:21:19,808 But at the end of the day, 592 00:21:19,892 --> 00:21:22,933 my truth to so many different kids 593 00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:24,767 and so many different people 594 00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:27,099 was broader than me personally. 595 00:21:27,183 --> 00:21:29,433 What gave you the-- the confidence and the courage? 596 00:21:29,516 --> 00:21:30,433 I mean, certain things happen. 597 00:21:30,516 --> 00:21:31,767 Things change in your life. 598 00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:34,266 Me having my own kids, 599 00:21:34,350 --> 00:21:36,433 and then seeing the Trayvon Martin thing. 600 00:21:36,516 --> 00:21:38,266 It hit home. 601 00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:40,433 And I don't even know, if I didn't have any kids at the time 602 00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,433 who knows if I would have even been able to speak up on it 603 00:21:42,516 --> 00:21:44,099 because it probably wouldn't have hit home for me. 604 00:21:44,183 --> 00:21:45,600 It wouldn't have made me feel the same way. 605 00:21:45,683 --> 00:21:47,767 At the time, I think my oldest son was nine 606 00:21:47,850 --> 00:21:48,974 and my youngest son was six. 607 00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:50,808 I can't imagine... 608 00:21:50,892 --> 00:21:53,808 if I sent my kid out, and he didn't return home. 609 00:21:53,892 --> 00:21:55,767 -Maverick: Like that, exactly. -Like that. 610 00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:57,642 I couldn't imagine that. 611 00:21:57,725 --> 00:21:58,974 Like that happened. 612 00:21:59,058 --> 00:22:01,475 So that's why I started thinking, and I was like, okay, 613 00:22:01,558 --> 00:22:05,266 "If I can get 25,000 people to show up to a basketball game, 614 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:07,600 I can reach so many more platforms when I talk." 615 00:22:07,683 --> 00:22:09,433 Because if you look at what Maya Angelou said, 616 00:22:09,516 --> 00:22:11,308 she talks about how words stick to things 617 00:22:11,391 --> 00:22:12,933 and words create situations. 618 00:22:13,016 --> 00:22:16,308 Do you think the N-word creates a type of environment for young people? 619 00:22:16,391 --> 00:22:18,600 As leaders, should we not say it or should we say it? 620 00:22:18,683 --> 00:22:20,850 -Because it-- -I'm gonna speak on it from the rap perspective. 621 00:22:20,933 --> 00:22:22,308 That shit was here before we got here, 622 00:22:22,391 --> 00:22:23,516 it's gonna be here after we got here. 623 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,308 But the point is that we are becoming more positive, 624 00:22:26,391 --> 00:22:28,767 we're becoming more productive. 625 00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:31,433 And that word doesn't affect us from becoming productive. 626 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:33,350 And that's our lingo, that's the way we communicate. 627 00:22:33,433 --> 00:22:34,642 When I see, "What's up, my nigga?" 628 00:22:34,725 --> 00:22:35,808 That's just how I get down. 629 00:22:35,892 --> 00:22:38,350 I hate the fact that it's my brainwashed situation, 630 00:22:38,433 --> 00:22:39,558 but that's all the fuck I know. 631 00:22:39,642 --> 00:22:41,892 I'll say, I went to Africa and I loved those niggas. 632 00:22:41,974 --> 00:22:43,683 -They were amazing. -(laughter) 633 00:22:43,767 --> 00:22:45,725 Very important, I-- I think is, 634 00:22:45,808 --> 00:22:48,391 don't have any buttons that people could just press. 635 00:22:48,475 --> 00:22:50,850 Because what I have seen is people snap 636 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:53,850 and, like, just, like, drag white dudes for saying it 637 00:22:53,933 --> 00:22:55,808 and get expelled from school. 638 00:22:55,892 --> 00:22:58,308 And like their lives ruined because they had a button. 639 00:22:58,391 --> 00:22:59,558 I'm saying it for any word. 640 00:22:59,642 --> 00:23:01,016 Be, you know, cautious 641 00:23:01,099 --> 00:23:02,892 that you're not just triggered so easily 642 00:23:02,974 --> 00:23:05,350 that you disrupt your own life and well-being. 643 00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:08,224 I think any communication between two human beings 644 00:23:08,308 --> 00:23:09,683 should be full of respect. 645 00:23:09,767 --> 00:23:12,808 Like and-- and your intentions should be checked. 646 00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:14,767 Uh, are there bigger fish to fry? 647 00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:16,683 Yeah, I'm much more concerned 648 00:23:16,767 --> 00:23:18,725 with the wording of a contract 649 00:23:18,808 --> 00:23:20,350 than that word being used. 650 00:23:20,433 --> 00:23:21,475 (laughing) 651 00:23:21,558 --> 00:23:23,224 Michael: I think about what happened to LeBron 652 00:23:23,308 --> 00:23:24,767 and I think about the word, the N Word. 653 00:23:24,850 --> 00:23:26,892 I was sayin' the N word, but it was on his house 654 00:23:26,974 --> 00:23:28,058 and he had to make a choice. 655 00:23:28,141 --> 00:23:30,725 "Do I just wipe it off and just say it didn't happen?" 656 00:23:30,808 --> 00:23:34,058 How did you-- LeBron, how did you explain that to your kids? 657 00:23:34,141 --> 00:23:35,266 Um, I mean, shit, 658 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:37,266 the same way I explained it to everybody in the world. 659 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:38,933 You're still black in America. 660 00:23:39,016 --> 00:23:40,892 And there's gonna be shit that they always try 661 00:23:40,974 --> 00:23:44,725 to reset you to a point where it was the beginning. 662 00:23:44,808 --> 00:23:48,516 Now, at that point, do you accept that 663 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,391 and-- and reset the button 664 00:23:50,475 --> 00:23:51,725 and start all the way from scratch? 665 00:23:51,808 --> 00:23:54,099 Or do you use that and push forward? 666 00:23:54,183 --> 00:23:55,974 And-- and I told them that you, 667 00:23:56,058 --> 00:23:57,308 now y'all have to make your own choice 668 00:23:57,391 --> 00:23:58,767 if something like this happens to y'all. 669 00:23:58,850 --> 00:24:00,141 Do you think they were old enough yet 670 00:24:00,224 --> 00:24:02,433 -to understand that and feel it? -No, they're not old enough. 671 00:24:02,516 --> 00:24:04,433 Because they're growing up as kids who got money, right? 672 00:24:04,516 --> 00:24:06,308 Yeah, yeah, but they understood it 673 00:24:06,391 --> 00:24:07,974 because they seen the passion in my eyes 674 00:24:08,058 --> 00:24:09,350 and the way I was saying it. 675 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:11,600 So the way I talked to 'em when they knew I was talking about it, 676 00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:14,391 "Listen, this is the situation that's going on in our house. 677 00:24:14,475 --> 00:24:15,642 We wasn't there." 678 00:24:15,725 --> 00:24:18,558 But somebody spray painted the N-word on our-- on our gate-- 679 00:24:18,642 --> 00:24:19,974 Yeah, but they know what that word means. 680 00:24:20,058 --> 00:24:21,141 Yeah, and this is what it means. 681 00:24:21,224 --> 00:24:22,933 And this is-- was the intention. 682 00:24:23,016 --> 00:24:24,266 It wasn't like, 683 00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:25,725 "Hey, what's up, nigga, we going to hoop?" 684 00:24:25,808 --> 00:24:27,099 No, it was like, 685 00:24:27,183 --> 00:24:28,433 "Nigger, get the fuck out of here." 686 00:24:28,516 --> 00:24:31,141 No matter how big you can become in America, 687 00:24:31,224 --> 00:24:33,141 no matter how much influence you think you've got 688 00:24:33,224 --> 00:24:34,600 or do have, 689 00:24:34,683 --> 00:24:37,099 when you're African American, it doesn't matter. 690 00:24:37,183 --> 00:24:38,266 You're still black. 691 00:24:39,683 --> 00:24:41,141 You're still black in America. 692 00:24:41,224 --> 00:24:43,099 ♪♪ 693 00:24:45,433 --> 00:24:47,266 At a certain point, the haircutting stops, 694 00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:49,516 -and people just sit around and bullshit. -People just sit around. 695 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,516 I love that. 696 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,767 -Here's what I'm worried about. -No filter. 697 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:53,933 This shit gets out, 698 00:24:54,016 --> 00:24:55,974 and white people start coming to your barbershops. 699 00:24:56,058 --> 00:24:58,433 (laughter) 700 00:24:58,516 --> 00:25:00,558 ♪♪ 701 00:25:10,224 --> 00:25:12,642 Maverick: When LeBron came into high school as a freshman, 702 00:25:12,725 --> 00:25:14,974 at the beginning of his freshman year, 703 00:25:15,058 --> 00:25:19,850 he was about 5'11" or six foot. 704 00:25:19,933 --> 00:25:22,683 It gets cold in Ohio, so he had a winter coat. 705 00:25:22,767 --> 00:25:24,850 But dog, by the time we get to March, 706 00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:26,141 nigga's 6'4", 707 00:25:26,224 --> 00:25:29,183 but his-- but his mom hadn't bought him no new winter coat. 708 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:30,683 So it fits like this. 709 00:25:30,767 --> 00:25:31,850 -(laughter) -Can he do this? 710 00:25:31,933 --> 00:25:33,475 -Maverick: He can't! (laughs) -He can't do that? 711 00:25:33,558 --> 00:25:34,767 That's a fact. 712 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:38,058 -So I was like, "But he can hoop." So... -LeBron: I can hoop. 713 00:25:38,141 --> 00:25:41,308 ♪ White vans parked across the street, real subtle guys ♪ 714 00:25:41,391 --> 00:25:44,516 ♪ Yeah, never a matter of "could I, " or "should I?" ♪ 715 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,016 ♪ Kiss my mom on the forehead ♪ 716 00:25:46,099 --> 00:25:47,558 ♪ Then kiss your ass goodbye ♪ 717 00:25:47,642 --> 00:25:48,683 ♪ As luck would have it ♪ 718 00:25:48,767 --> 00:25:51,558 ♪ I've settled into my role as the good guy ♪ 719 00:25:51,642 --> 00:25:53,141 ♪ I guess luck is on your side ♪ 720 00:25:54,099 --> 00:25:56,141 ♪ I guess luck is on your side ♪ 721 00:25:56,224 --> 00:25:59,433 ♪ All sevens, no sixes, rest easy, get some shut eye ♪ 57817

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