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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,122 --> 00:00:06,790 [uneasy music] 2 00:00:06,883 --> 00:00:08,458 - People in Wichita had been 3 00:00:08,542 --> 00:00:10,802 terrorized by this 4 00:00:10,961 --> 00:00:13,138 Bind, Torture, Kill Individual 5 00:00:13,222 --> 00:00:15,381 for 30 years. 6 00:00:15,466 --> 00:00:17,726 - He said, "If you become my project 7 00:00:17,885 --> 00:00:20,645 and you have a routine, you're in trouble." 8 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:29,237 - Rader then moved on to a different project, 9 00:00:29,396 --> 00:00:33,483 Project Blackout, and again, no results. 10 00:00:33,576 --> 00:00:36,736 - Dennis Rader, he was the master manipulator. 11 00:00:36,821 --> 00:00:40,740 - In 1991, Rader was in his mid-40s. 12 00:00:40,833 --> 00:00:44,252 By this time, he had accomplished ten murders 13 00:00:44,411 --> 00:00:46,755 without anyone suspecting him. 14 00:00:50,668 --> 00:00:52,594 [intense musical buildup] 15 00:00:53,096 --> 00:00:55,931 [brisk music] 16 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:58,517 ♪ ♪ 17 00:00:58,601 --> 00:01:01,511 - When I was writing the book about Dennis Rader, 18 00:01:01,595 --> 00:01:04,356 the serial killer known as BTK, 19 00:01:04,515 --> 00:01:07,767 one of the things he wanted me to have to use to organize it 20 00:01:07,852 --> 00:01:09,778 was his project list... 21 00:01:09,937 --> 00:01:11,363 ♪ ♪ 22 00:01:11,447 --> 00:01:13,448 Comprised of various people 23 00:01:13,607 --> 00:01:17,953 he had identified as potential victims, 24 00:01:18,112 --> 00:01:20,539 and that meant being very clear about 25 00:01:20,623 --> 00:01:23,783 when he attempted to kidnap somebody, 26 00:01:23,868 --> 00:01:28,130 when he stalked somebody and made contact. 27 00:01:28,289 --> 00:01:31,207 - There were a number of young women during that time 28 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:33,209 who he had picked out, 29 00:01:33,302 --> 00:01:35,554 who were on his list, 30 00:01:35,713 --> 00:01:37,639 who he was going to murder. 31 00:01:49,059 --> 00:01:51,820 - The list had the project name, 32 00:01:51,979 --> 00:01:55,574 the years, the dates, the location-- 33 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:57,492 All the details he could think of 34 00:01:57,577 --> 00:01:59,736 and fit onto this little chart. 35 00:01:59,829 --> 00:02:03,990 So it gives a lot of sense of his personality. 36 00:02:04,074 --> 00:02:07,243 He liked things organized, clear. 37 00:02:07,328 --> 00:02:08,828 He liked to follow rules 38 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:11,414 because he wanted other people to follow rules, 39 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:14,667 but that way, he could then break the rules 40 00:02:14,752 --> 00:02:19,014 but come back into a safe, organized world. 41 00:02:19,757 --> 00:02:22,767 Project 16 on the project list 42 00:02:22,927 --> 00:02:25,520 was known as Project Blackout. 43 00:02:27,097 --> 00:02:30,016 - My name is Cheryl Gilmour Sarkozy, 44 00:02:30,109 --> 00:02:33,778 and I'm a survivor of BTK. 45 00:02:33,863 --> 00:02:37,357 And his name for me was Project Blackout. 46 00:02:37,450 --> 00:02:39,609 - Good morning. - Hello, Dennis. 47 00:02:39,702 --> 00:02:41,703 I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland, 48 00:02:41,862 --> 00:02:43,622 professor of forensic psychology 49 00:02:43,781 --> 00:02:45,198 and the author of multiple books 50 00:02:45,291 --> 00:02:48,877 about extreme offenders like serial killers. 51 00:02:49,036 --> 00:02:50,870 I've been corresponding with Dennis Rader 52 00:02:50,963 --> 00:02:54,049 to try to understand what led him to become 53 00:02:54,133 --> 00:02:57,469 one of the most notorious serial killers in America. 54 00:02:57,628 --> 00:02:59,888 This is the first time 55 00:02:59,972 --> 00:03:03,892 that Rader has explored these topics in-depth with anyone. 56 00:03:07,221 --> 00:03:11,066 - The more information we have about serial killers, 57 00:03:11,225 --> 00:03:13,726 the more we understand what makes them tick, 58 00:03:13,811 --> 00:03:16,312 the easier it will be to prevent them. 59 00:03:16,397 --> 00:03:18,564 [dramatic musical sting] 60 00:03:18,649 --> 00:03:25,830 ♪ ♪ 61 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:28,583 [uneasy music] 62 00:03:28,742 --> 00:03:30,910 After the Dolores Davis murder, 63 00:03:30,995 --> 00:03:34,756 Rader slips back into a period of dormancy. 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,249 He continues to look for projects, 65 00:03:36,333 --> 00:03:38,584 but he doesn't act out. 66 00:03:38,678 --> 00:03:40,011 What were you doing in those years 67 00:03:40,096 --> 00:03:41,513 when nothing was really happening? 68 00:04:04,453 --> 00:04:07,247 - Did you feel like you were in control of your urges then? 69 00:04:18,375 --> 00:04:21,052 - The planning for 70 00:04:21,211 --> 00:04:23,888 any sexually compelled serial killer 71 00:04:24,048 --> 00:04:27,142 is definitely part of the pleasure, 72 00:04:27,301 --> 00:04:31,146 and Dennis Rader is quite the organizer. 73 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:34,974 In the project list, marked Project Blackout, 74 00:04:35,059 --> 00:04:37,643 Blackout refers to a bar 75 00:04:37,737 --> 00:04:41,156 near the campus of Wichita State University 76 00:04:41,315 --> 00:04:45,068 where Rader would often go have a beer. 77 00:04:45,152 --> 00:04:50,823 Rader writes, "Girl at bar," and indicates the year 1977. 78 00:04:50,908 --> 00:04:54,160 [uneasy music] 79 00:04:54,244 --> 00:04:57,672 ♪ ♪ 80 00:04:57,757 --> 00:05:01,167 - I was 26 years old at that time. 81 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:04,170 One afternoon, a girlfriend and I 82 00:05:04,263 --> 00:05:06,848 decided to go to the Blackout Bar, 83 00:05:06,932 --> 00:05:10,760 and I started talking to this man, 84 00:05:10,853 --> 00:05:14,347 and he told me that he was studying at the university. 85 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,934 It had to do with, like, police work and law. 86 00:05:18,018 --> 00:05:19,852 The bar got raided, 87 00:05:19,945 --> 00:05:23,114 and everybody was told to leave. 88 00:05:23,273 --> 00:05:28,694 And so he was walking with me through the parking lot. 89 00:05:28,788 --> 00:05:31,039 I said, "So, tell me, do you know 90 00:05:31,198 --> 00:05:35,126 if it's against the law in Kansas to commit suicide?" 91 00:05:35,211 --> 00:05:37,453 And he said, "It is against the law." 92 00:05:37,538 --> 00:05:39,288 And I said, "Well, that's a shame because 93 00:05:39,382 --> 00:05:42,125 "I think that anybody that wants to commit suicide 94 00:05:42,218 --> 00:05:43,718 should have that right." 95 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:47,213 And he reached over and took my arm 96 00:05:47,306 --> 00:05:49,465 and he squeezed it and he said, 97 00:05:49,558 --> 00:05:52,051 "Oh, please don't say that." 98 00:05:52,144 --> 00:05:54,729 And I thought, "What a kind man." 99 00:05:54,888 --> 00:06:00,026 By then I was at my car, and I got in the car and left. 100 00:06:02,238 --> 00:06:04,739 He was really sort of a nondescript type of character. 101 00:06:04,898 --> 00:06:06,908 He wasn't someone 102 00:06:06,992 --> 00:06:10,736 that I gave a second thought to after that, 103 00:06:10,821 --> 00:06:14,407 but it turned out that that was Dennis Rader. 104 00:06:14,491 --> 00:06:18,828 [dark chords] 105 00:06:18,921 --> 00:06:21,247 That particular day, 106 00:06:21,331 --> 00:06:24,926 he had followed me home, 107 00:06:25,085 --> 00:06:27,086 and then he started stalking me. 108 00:06:27,171 --> 00:06:29,755 ♪ ♪ 109 00:06:29,849 --> 00:06:34,594 - So I have a report from a woman named Cheryl. 110 00:06:34,678 --> 00:06:38,231 She said she talked with you at the Blackout Lounge. 111 00:07:00,037 --> 00:07:03,381 - Cheryl Gilmour Sarkozy's neighbor 112 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:06,968 was Dennis Rader's sixth murder victim, 113 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:12,474 Shirley Vian, who he killed on March 17, 1977. 114 00:07:30,734 --> 00:07:33,903 - The day Shirley Vian was murdered, 115 00:07:33,987 --> 00:07:35,997 I had a 4-year old son, 116 00:07:36,156 --> 00:07:40,001 and he had come to work with me that afternoon. 117 00:07:41,411 --> 00:07:44,172 When he and I got home, 118 00:07:44,256 --> 00:07:48,426 the whole neighborhood was filled with police cars. 119 00:07:48,585 --> 00:07:53,097 There was a knock on my door, and this policeman came in 120 00:07:53,182 --> 00:07:56,851 and he said the woman a few doors down 121 00:07:57,010 --> 00:08:00,012 has been murdered, 122 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:02,682 and her little boy has said 123 00:08:02,775 --> 00:08:06,444 he saw the man knock on your door, 124 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:12,325 so we feel that you might have been the intended victim. 125 00:08:14,203 --> 00:08:18,197 I can't imagine why anybody would want to kill me. 126 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:21,867 It was a horrifying time in my life, 127 00:08:21,952 --> 00:08:25,296 and I nailed all my windows shut. 128 00:08:25,455 --> 00:08:29,375 And I couldn't sleep for months. 129 00:08:29,459 --> 00:08:32,128 Had I been home that day, 130 00:08:32,212 --> 00:08:36,307 it would have been me instead of Shirley Vian. 131 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,228 - It certainly was possible 132 00:08:40,387 --> 00:08:43,723 that Rader would have had a number of other victims 133 00:08:43,807 --> 00:08:46,225 had things gone a little bit differently, 134 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:50,071 had someone come home when he expected them to, 135 00:08:50,155 --> 00:08:54,242 had he figured out a routine of somebody in the right way. 136 00:08:54,401 --> 00:08:58,154 ♪ ♪ 137 00:08:58,238 --> 00:09:00,740 From the project list Rader shared with me, 138 00:09:00,824 --> 00:09:03,501 we can see that he continued stalking a number of people 139 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:07,913 during the period of 1991 to 2005, 140 00:09:08,007 --> 00:09:10,758 but he just didn't succeed. 141 00:09:10,917 --> 00:09:12,752 At the same time, 142 00:09:12,836 --> 00:09:15,755 Rader worked as a park city compliance officer... 143 00:09:15,848 --> 00:09:17,757 - The dogs are somewhat territorial... 144 00:09:17,841 --> 00:09:20,018 - A job that once again gave him cover 145 00:09:20,102 --> 00:09:22,178 to stalk and troll in his own backyard. 146 00:09:22,262 --> 00:09:26,441 - the reporting parties of where the sheep were killed. 147 00:09:26,525 --> 00:09:28,943 - A compliance officer is like a law enforcement equivalent 148 00:09:29,102 --> 00:09:31,354 which is "Your grass is overgrown," 149 00:09:31,438 --> 00:09:32,530 "Your dog is off the leash," 150 00:09:32,689 --> 00:09:34,273 "Your house needs painting." 151 00:09:34,366 --> 00:09:36,284 He can kind of lord it over people 152 00:09:36,368 --> 00:09:39,120 and actually could carry a gun as part of the job. 153 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:42,206 - Did you like being a compliance officer? 154 00:09:49,048 --> 00:09:52,884 - Serial killers who aspire to become cops 155 00:09:53,043 --> 00:09:56,629 typically had delusions of power. 156 00:09:56,713 --> 00:09:58,881 - As I recall, several citizens called 157 00:09:58,965 --> 00:10:01,300 and made complaints about 158 00:10:01,385 --> 00:10:02,977 his being strict or rude, 159 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:05,980 confrontational and that type of behavior. 160 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:09,817 - As a compliance officer, he didn't like it 161 00:10:09,902 --> 00:10:12,570 if somebody did something he thought they shouldn't. 162 00:10:12,729 --> 00:10:16,232 So in his world, it was okay for him to break the rules, 163 00:10:16,325 --> 00:10:20,069 but he needed that safety of that regimented world 164 00:10:20,162 --> 00:10:24,957 so everyone else around him had to stay within their lane. 165 00:10:26,827 --> 00:10:30,421 January 2004 marked the 30th anniversary 166 00:10:30,580 --> 00:10:34,676 of Dennis Rader's first murders, the Otero family. 167 00:10:34,835 --> 00:10:37,753 It was 25 years since his last correspondence 168 00:10:37,838 --> 00:10:39,588 with police or the media, 169 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:41,590 and it had been 13 years 170 00:10:41,684 --> 00:10:44,677 since he'd killed his last victim, Dolores Davis, 171 00:10:44,761 --> 00:10:48,022 although no one had yet linked BTK to her murder. 172 00:10:49,266 --> 00:10:50,942 - When you have anniversaries, 173 00:10:51,101 --> 00:10:53,102 news departments do stories on it, 174 00:10:53,195 --> 00:10:55,530 so it was on the front page 175 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:59,784 that a guy was writing a book about BTK. 176 00:10:59,943 --> 00:11:03,112 Well, BTK did not like that. 177 00:11:03,196 --> 00:11:08,117 He is so arrogant 178 00:11:08,201 --> 00:11:11,379 that he wanted to tell his story. 179 00:11:26,562 --> 00:11:28,730 - When Dennis Rader 180 00:11:28,889 --> 00:11:32,817 learned that an attorney wanted to write a book 181 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:36,562 about the unsolved BTK crimes 182 00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:39,899 and he was going to cover seven victims, 183 00:11:39,983 --> 00:11:41,993 and Rader knew there were more, 184 00:11:42,152 --> 00:11:44,153 so he didn't want a book written 185 00:11:44,237 --> 00:11:46,831 that would be his legacy 186 00:11:46,915 --> 00:11:48,916 that would really not get the story right. 187 00:11:50,994 --> 00:11:53,921 - My administrative assistant goes up to the mail every day, 188 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,584 and she had gotten a letter that had a photocopy 189 00:11:58,668 --> 00:12:01,003 of what appeared to be an old Polaroid. 190 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:07,092 It looked like a woman's body on the floor 191 00:12:07,177 --> 00:12:11,272 and a copy of a woman's driver's license. 192 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:14,525 The driver's license was Vicki Wegerle's. 193 00:12:14,684 --> 00:12:18,529 Her murder had never been tied to BTK. 194 00:12:19,189 --> 00:12:21,857 - Investigators believe the letter is from BTK 195 00:12:21,942 --> 00:12:24,786 because it has information about a 2-decade-old homicide 196 00:12:24,945 --> 00:12:27,947 linked to BTK that only the killer would know. 197 00:12:28,031 --> 00:12:29,791 BTK claims in the letter 198 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:33,369 that Vicki Wegerle was his eighth victim. 199 00:12:33,453 --> 00:12:35,296 - No photographs had been taken of the victim 200 00:12:35,455 --> 00:12:38,374 at the scene by the police, by anybody, 201 00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:41,219 because Vicki Wegerle had been removed from the scene 202 00:12:41,378 --> 00:12:43,212 by an ambulance crew. 203 00:12:43,305 --> 00:12:46,632 So if there were any doubts in anybody's mind 204 00:12:46,725 --> 00:12:48,801 that this guy was the real thing, 205 00:12:48,885 --> 00:12:51,646 it stopped right there. 206 00:12:52,722 --> 00:12:55,233 It regenerated the fears of the citizenry 207 00:12:55,392 --> 00:12:57,393 there in Wichita. 208 00:12:57,477 --> 00:13:01,656 In your gut you felt like, "Oh, my God, whoever he is 209 00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:04,408 and wherever he lives, we gotta stop this." 210 00:13:10,916 --> 00:13:13,158 - A letter received by KAKE TV 211 00:13:13,252 --> 00:13:14,660 was turned over to us last Wednesday, 212 00:13:14,744 --> 00:13:18,005 and we are treating it as possibly being sent by BTK. 213 00:13:18,164 --> 00:13:20,007 ♪ ♪ 214 00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:24,428 - In 2004, after the re-emergence of BTK, 215 00:13:24,513 --> 00:13:26,505 the Wichita Police Department, 216 00:13:26,598 --> 00:13:29,008 under the leadership of Kenny Landwehr, 217 00:13:29,101 --> 00:13:31,686 who was the homicide lieutenant at that time, 218 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:35,598 formed a task force made up of Wichita police detectives, 219 00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:39,435 FBI agents, KBI agents. 220 00:13:39,528 --> 00:13:41,353 I mean, I said, "We're gonna get this guy. 221 00:13:41,438 --> 00:13:43,114 I don't care what it takes." 222 00:13:44,774 --> 00:13:48,027 - BTK is back because 223 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,945 he wants to see his name in the paper. 224 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:51,539 He wants to see him talked about 225 00:13:51,623 --> 00:13:53,624 on the television station. 226 00:13:53,783 --> 00:13:56,285 - BTK is communicating again. 227 00:13:56,369 --> 00:13:57,879 - BTK is back. - BTK-- 228 00:13:58,038 --> 00:13:59,380 - BTK-- 229 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:01,540 - This is one of the most challenging cases 230 00:14:01,633 --> 00:14:04,877 that I've ever been involved with, 231 00:14:04,961 --> 00:14:07,305 and I find that the individual that is doing this 232 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:09,724 would be very interesting to talk to. 233 00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:11,884 - Early on in the investigation, 234 00:14:11,968 --> 00:14:15,721 a couple of profilers from the FBI were brought in, 235 00:14:15,805 --> 00:14:20,818 and one of the greatest guidances that they provided 236 00:14:20,977 --> 00:14:25,564 was the creation of the communications 237 00:14:25,657 --> 00:14:28,492 that Kenny Landwehr would release 238 00:14:28,652 --> 00:14:30,986 in these various media events. 239 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:35,074 It all looked fairly natural, the way Kenny delivered it, 240 00:14:35,167 --> 00:14:37,919 but these were scripted for the intent 241 00:14:38,078 --> 00:14:42,840 and sole purpose of keeping BTK communicating. 242 00:14:42,925 --> 00:14:45,509 If we could keep him communicating, 243 00:14:45,669 --> 00:14:47,345 that was the key to catching him. 244 00:14:47,504 --> 00:14:49,680 Eventually he would slip up. 245 00:14:50,599 --> 00:14:53,592 - When Ken Landwehr did a press conference about you, 246 00:14:53,677 --> 00:14:55,895 what was that like for you? 247 00:15:11,111 --> 00:15:14,029 - The strategy that Ken Landwehr adopted 248 00:15:14,114 --> 00:15:16,448 was to personalize this, 249 00:15:16,541 --> 00:15:19,868 to address whoever BTK was. 250 00:15:19,962 --> 00:15:23,706 The hope was that that would make the killer 251 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:25,800 feel as if they were buddies, 252 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:28,877 which is exactly what did happen. 253 00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:30,554 Rader really enjoyed it. 254 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:35,050 So what started as an attempt to control his story 255 00:15:35,143 --> 00:15:38,396 turned into this game with law enforcement 256 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,149 that he thought they were having as much fun as he was. 257 00:15:42,308 --> 00:15:44,309 - He has communicated with us since the '70s, 258 00:15:44,394 --> 00:15:46,895 and it continues today. 259 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:48,814 - Shortly after that, 260 00:15:48,898 --> 00:15:54,495 KAKE TV got a letter that had one page 261 00:15:54,654 --> 00:15:58,490 the BTK story-- Chapter one, chapter two, 262 00:15:58,583 --> 00:16:01,577 chapter three, chapter four-- 263 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:03,245 Went all through the chapters. 264 00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:09,084 - He suggests chapter names in talking about BTK. 265 00:16:09,169 --> 00:16:11,929 What killer does that? 266 00:16:12,088 --> 00:16:16,508 He wanted to give us a guide on how we cover him, basically. 267 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:20,021 - But the scariest thing was the very last chapter 268 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,932 was just a question: "Will there be more?" 269 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:27,361 Taunting police and Wichita. 270 00:16:27,446 --> 00:16:28,937 Who was going to be the next victim? 271 00:16:29,022 --> 00:16:32,357 Scared us all to death. 272 00:16:32,442 --> 00:16:34,618 ♪ ♪ 273 00:16:34,703 --> 00:16:36,704 - Why did you decide to send 274 00:16:36,788 --> 00:16:39,665 the BTK's story to the TV station? 275 00:16:49,793 --> 00:16:51,877 - We would get sent information. 276 00:16:51,961 --> 00:16:54,463 Obviously, we'd read it, we'd do a story about it, 277 00:16:54,556 --> 00:16:56,715 but immediately hand it over to the police department 278 00:16:56,808 --> 00:16:59,894 hoping that maybe this will lead to his capture. 279 00:17:00,053 --> 00:17:05,808 - In May of 2004, Dennis Rader sent a word puzzle 280 00:17:05,901 --> 00:17:11,906 comprised of random letters and numbers to KAKE TV. 281 00:17:12,065 --> 00:17:14,158 It was obviously a word search, 282 00:17:14,317 --> 00:17:16,568 and the idea was that in this puzzle 283 00:17:16,661 --> 00:17:20,331 there might be clues to his identity. 284 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:22,833 - Our responsibility was to find the words 285 00:17:22,992 --> 00:17:24,576 in the word puzzle. 286 00:17:24,661 --> 00:17:27,329 One was victim. 287 00:17:27,422 --> 00:17:30,841 One was serviceman. 288 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,594 One was ruse. 289 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:37,014 So we were in the newsroom looking at this puzzle going, 290 00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:39,758 "Oh, my gosh." 291 00:17:39,843 --> 00:17:42,603 - Hello, Susan. - So nice meeting you, 292 00:17:42,762 --> 00:17:44,930 Dr. Ramsland, and thank you so much 293 00:17:45,023 --> 00:17:48,267 for shedding light on these puzzles. 294 00:17:48,351 --> 00:17:50,435 - Well, he loved codes. 295 00:17:50,529 --> 00:17:51,862 That was his big thing, he loved codes 296 00:17:51,947 --> 00:17:53,697 and communicating through codes, 297 00:17:53,782 --> 00:17:55,866 with just the idea of, "Now you have to figure me out. 298 00:17:56,025 --> 00:17:57,952 You have to be thinking of me." 299 00:17:58,111 --> 00:18:00,946 Why he chose these words, why some are backwards, 300 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,782 some are forwards, what's this number, 301 00:18:03,867 --> 00:18:05,951 which actually should have the zero to it 302 00:18:06,035 --> 00:18:08,212 because that's his address. 303 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:09,797 - Oh! 304 00:18:09,881 --> 00:18:11,966 Wait a minute. Where's his address? 305 00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:14,877 - 6220. 306 00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:16,720 If you saw that an O, 307 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,964 you wouldn't know that's a zero. 308 00:18:19,048 --> 00:18:21,308 - Exactly! First of all, we didn't know at the time... 309 00:18:21,467 --> 00:18:23,310 - Right, of course. - Obviously. 310 00:18:23,469 --> 00:18:25,888 But the 622 and then the 0... - Yeah, who would do that? 311 00:18:25,981 --> 00:18:27,639 - Was his address. - Right, who would do that? 312 00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:29,141 - Here it was here all the time. 313 00:18:29,234 --> 00:18:32,987 And then he puts address right down there. 314 00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:35,814 - But that's the cat-and-mouse nature of it. 315 00:18:35,899 --> 00:18:38,909 The fun of it is he's going to take some risk 316 00:18:38,994 --> 00:18:41,320 in order to have some delight 317 00:18:41,413 --> 00:18:42,830 over how confusing this is going to be, 318 00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:44,740 and then he'll see that you won't get it, 319 00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:47,159 so he'll feel superior. 320 00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:50,245 - Which... I'm sure he did. 321 00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:57,502 He sent KAKE TV most of the clues and the correspondence. 322 00:18:57,587 --> 00:19:00,931 Why do you think he sent it to KAKE TV? 323 00:19:01,090 --> 00:19:02,600 - He knew he was going to get publicity 324 00:19:02,684 --> 00:19:04,927 if he sent this to KAKE. 325 00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:08,355 And he loved the station because he watched it as a kid. 326 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,099 He loved you particularly. 327 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:16,197 - I remember responding to one correspondence in particular 328 00:19:16,281 --> 00:19:18,440 where he said, 329 00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:21,702 "I hope Susan's and Jeff's cold gets better." 330 00:19:21,861 --> 00:19:24,112 Two nights before I had just said on the air, 331 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:26,290 "Jeff and I have a cold, Jay. 332 00:19:26,449 --> 00:19:28,951 Can you give us some warm weather?" 333 00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:31,620 Why do you think he did that? 334 00:19:31,713 --> 00:19:34,206 - Rader wanted you to know he was watching you. 335 00:19:34,299 --> 00:19:36,375 He was aware of you, alert to you, 336 00:19:36,459 --> 00:19:38,552 and he wants you to feel his eyes on you. 337 00:19:40,129 --> 00:19:42,806 - That's so frightening. - Definitely. 338 00:19:42,966 --> 00:19:46,218 I was wondering, because you were 339 00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:49,396 so attuned to media at that time, 340 00:19:49,555 --> 00:19:54,652 whether you ever considered a media person as a project? 341 00:20:05,571 --> 00:20:06,413 - Okay. 342 00:20:13,162 --> 00:20:18,166 - He's having fun because he is watching this hit the news, 343 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:21,169 be talked about on TV, 344 00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:25,599 but he forgets you are a serial killer. 345 00:20:25,758 --> 00:20:28,760 This cat-and-mouse game is about real people 346 00:20:28,845 --> 00:20:31,105 that you killed. 347 00:20:31,189 --> 00:20:33,941 You're acting as if the police are playing a game with you 348 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:36,944 and everybody's having a good time at it, 349 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:39,113 and that is not what's happening. 350 00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,117 - We were all concerned because we didn't know 351 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,286 what was going to happen-- We didn't know 352 00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:47,779 if all of a sudden in the middle of the night 353 00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:50,541 the BTK was going to go show up in our bedroom. 354 00:20:57,132 --> 00:21:00,050 - Throughout 2004 into the beginning of 2005, 355 00:21:00,135 --> 00:21:02,294 Dennis Rader sent correspondence 356 00:21:02,378 --> 00:21:04,129 and items of evidence from his crimes 357 00:21:04,213 --> 00:21:06,548 to the media and police. 358 00:21:06,632 --> 00:21:09,059 He enjoyed the publicity, 359 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:11,312 and he wanted to tell his story in his own way. 360 00:21:13,556 --> 00:21:18,226 - KAKE received another message from BTK about a cereal box 361 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,146 that he had deposited at a home-improvement store 362 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:25,409 that wasn't that far from KAKE TV. 363 00:21:25,568 --> 00:21:27,652 - We sent--immediately sent detectives to Home Depot, 364 00:21:27,746 --> 00:21:29,738 and they looked, didn't see anything, 365 00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:31,081 talked to all the employees 366 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,075 about any packages they had found. 367 00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:34,826 - Investigators posted a message 368 00:21:34,911 --> 00:21:36,837 in the employee lounges 369 00:21:36,996 --> 00:21:40,174 asking if anyone saw anything suspicious. 370 00:21:40,258 --> 00:21:43,001 - A guy came back from vacation and said, "Well, yeah, 371 00:21:43,086 --> 00:21:45,921 "I found this cereal box in the back of my truck, 372 00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:47,931 and it said 'BTK bomb.'" 373 00:21:48,091 --> 00:21:50,509 [tense music] 374 00:21:50,593 --> 00:21:52,269 Thought somebody was just messing with him. 375 00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:53,929 So he said, "I just threw it in my burn barrel 376 00:21:54,022 --> 00:21:55,439 when I got home. 377 00:21:55,523 --> 00:21:57,766 It turns out that was the communication 378 00:21:57,859 --> 00:22:00,778 that Rader was referring to, so when we got 379 00:22:00,862 --> 00:22:03,021 the surveillance of the parking lot, 380 00:22:03,114 --> 00:22:04,698 that was our actual first sighting 381 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:08,535 of what we believe was BTK delivering that package. 382 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:12,873 - The video was blurry, and he's far from the camera, 383 00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:15,959 so police couldn't clearly see what he looked like. 384 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,878 However, they did see 385 00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:22,132 that he was driving a dark-colored Jeep Cherokee. 386 00:22:22,217 --> 00:22:26,378 What about driving into the Home Depot parking lot? 387 00:22:26,462 --> 00:22:29,056 Did you think they'd have a surveillance camera? 388 00:22:46,491 --> 00:22:49,827 - Dennis Rader has gotten away with this for 30 years, 389 00:22:49,986 --> 00:22:52,404 so there's a narcissism. 390 00:22:52,488 --> 00:22:56,158 We actually call this narcissistic immunity. 391 00:22:56,251 --> 00:23:00,579 The immunity part is the sense that he's so special 392 00:23:00,672 --> 00:23:02,831 that no one can touch him, 393 00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:08,420 but the narcissistic immunity is kind of well-earned because 394 00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:10,764 "I'm one of the few serial killers 395 00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:15,352 that they haven't identified and never will," in his mind. 396 00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:20,357 - He asked to communicate with law enforcement directly. 397 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,017 He was trying to find a way to do that 398 00:23:22,101 --> 00:23:24,111 without giving himself away, 399 00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:26,697 and so one of the things he suggested 400 00:23:26,856 --> 00:23:29,024 was to use a floppy disk. 401 00:23:29,117 --> 00:23:30,609 So at one point, 402 00:23:30,693 --> 00:23:33,537 he sent a message through the media saying, 403 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:35,363 "Can I communicate with you guys, 404 00:23:35,448 --> 00:23:38,950 and can we use a floppy disk, and you won't trace it?" 405 00:23:39,035 --> 00:23:41,962 And then he specified, "Be honest." 406 00:23:43,706 --> 00:23:45,883 - If it was okay for Rader to send the floppy disk 407 00:23:46,042 --> 00:23:47,626 without being traced, 408 00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:50,462 he instructed the police to respond in code 409 00:23:50,546 --> 00:23:52,723 through an ad in the newspaper that said, 410 00:23:52,882 --> 00:23:55,392 "Rex, it will be OK." 411 00:23:56,719 --> 00:23:58,896 - We thought it so ironic that a freaking serial killer 412 00:23:59,055 --> 00:24:00,481 wants us to be honest. 413 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,232 Lieutenant Landwehr decided, and the FBI, 414 00:24:02,391 --> 00:24:04,735 they decided to go ahead and place the ad 415 00:24:04,894 --> 00:24:07,070 and see what happens. 416 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,461 - Treated as a possible-- 417 00:24:26,582 --> 00:24:28,509 - This letter is from BTK, and we-- 418 00:24:34,924 --> 00:24:37,935 [uneasy music] 419 00:24:38,094 --> 00:24:40,938 - Rader had this kind of idealism he had developed 420 00:24:41,097 --> 00:24:43,023 ever since he was a boy scout 421 00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:45,350 and his hope to become a police officer, 422 00:24:45,434 --> 00:24:48,445 had this kind of John Wayne thinking going on 423 00:24:48,604 --> 00:24:50,531 that they're upholding the law, 424 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:53,033 so of course they're not going to lie to him. 425 00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:56,787 - He answered with the floppy disk. 426 00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,791 - The floppy, was it just a test file on it, 427 00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:02,626 or was there anything else on it? 428 00:25:05,538 --> 00:25:06,547 +- Okay. 429 00:25:12,628 --> 00:25:14,296 - One of their IT guys 430 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:16,298 there at the Wichita Police Department 431 00:25:16,382 --> 00:25:18,892 loaded it into his computer. 432 00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:22,312 He began pulling metadata files 433 00:25:22,397 --> 00:25:25,315 showing prior users of that disk. 434 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,150 Immediately there was an indication 435 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:29,144 that it had been used 436 00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:32,063 at Christ Lutheran Church up in Park City, 437 00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:35,066 but also the name Dennis appeared. 438 00:25:35,151 --> 00:25:37,652 - Real quick check-- The president of that church 439 00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:39,663 was a guy named Dennis Rader. 440 00:25:39,822 --> 00:25:41,832 That was a huge break. 441 00:25:41,991 --> 00:25:46,578 - That was one of those moments where you were just ecstatic. 442 00:25:46,671 --> 00:25:49,164 We found an address in Park City, 443 00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:52,009 and the race was on-- We all wanted to get there. 444 00:25:52,168 --> 00:25:53,427 [intense music] 445 00:25:58,683 --> 00:26:00,675 - As soon as they get the location 446 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,094 where Dennis Rader lives, 447 00:26:03,179 --> 00:26:05,439 two of our detectives are on it, 448 00:26:05,523 --> 00:26:09,601 and there sits the type of vehicle that was used by BTK 449 00:26:09,685 --> 00:26:11,445 to deliver the package to Home Depot. 450 00:26:13,281 --> 00:26:15,607 - We wanted to just go knock doors down 451 00:26:15,691 --> 00:26:17,692 and go in and get him. 452 00:26:17,777 --> 00:26:20,445 The lieutenant, he said, "We don't have his DNA 453 00:26:20,529 --> 00:26:24,958 to confirm that this is in fact the BTK Killer." 454 00:26:25,043 --> 00:26:27,619 We didn't arrest him at that point, 455 00:26:27,703 --> 00:26:30,380 but he was placed under surveillance 24-7 456 00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:33,875 because the last thing we wanted was for him to go out 457 00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:35,636 and try to victimize somebody 458 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,888 after we had already identified him. 459 00:26:37,972 --> 00:26:39,640 - With DNA testing, 460 00:26:39,724 --> 00:26:42,717 forensic scientists can link criminals to crime scenes, 461 00:26:42,802 --> 00:26:44,811 something that was unavailable to police 462 00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:47,889 when the BTK Killer first terrorized Wichita, Kansas 463 00:26:47,982 --> 00:26:50,067 in the mid-'70s. 464 00:26:50,226 --> 00:26:53,320 - We had DNA from the Otero case and several other cases. 465 00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:56,231 At this point, you've got DNA analysis. 466 00:26:56,324 --> 00:26:58,909 When BTK was leaving all that evidence behind, 467 00:26:59,068 --> 00:27:00,577 it was worthless. 468 00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,320 It couldn't be analyzed back then, 469 00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:04,331 but technology had caught up. 470 00:27:04,415 --> 00:27:05,990 - Were you worried about 471 00:27:06,084 --> 00:27:08,076 getting caught during this time, 472 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,628 that they might trace something back to you? 473 00:27:29,765 --> 00:27:31,933 - We began to mull over the idea, 474 00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:34,602 "How do we get his DNA?" 475 00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,279 And I happen to notice that his daughter 476 00:27:36,364 --> 00:27:38,782 had gone to Kansas State University. 477 00:27:38,941 --> 00:27:40,617 Let's get a court order 478 00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,369 and see if they've got any records. 479 00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:45,280 Sure enough, they had records of her. 480 00:27:45,364 --> 00:27:48,616 The records indicated that she had had a Pap smear. 481 00:27:48,701 --> 00:27:52,212 We're able to take possession of that sample. 482 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:55,549 Then we began to wait for the analysis. 483 00:27:57,468 --> 00:28:01,054 I got a call that following Monday from the examiner, 484 00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:04,057 and she said, "That sample you submitted, 485 00:28:04,216 --> 00:28:08,720 that person is the offspring of BTK." 486 00:28:08,813 --> 00:28:11,723 Those were words that I had waited 487 00:28:11,807 --> 00:28:14,067 and hoped we would hear eventually. 488 00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:17,654 - That's pretty definitive at that point. 489 00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,072 It was very exciting. 490 00:28:19,157 --> 00:28:21,399 I can only imagine for the Wichita guys 491 00:28:21,484 --> 00:28:23,994 who'd been living this case every day and night 492 00:28:24,153 --> 00:28:27,581 for months and years-- That had to feel incredible. 493 00:28:29,584 --> 00:28:33,578 - Following the findings of our forensic laboratory, 494 00:28:33,662 --> 00:28:36,590 number one on that priority was the arrest of Dennis Rader. 495 00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:46,016 There were a number of people in the arrest team-- 496 00:28:46,175 --> 00:28:47,842 All of the task force, 497 00:28:47,927 --> 00:28:49,936 plus a couple of uniformed officers. 498 00:28:50,095 --> 00:28:52,689 We got word from the surveillance team 499 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:54,775 that Dennis Rader, the BTK, was on the move. 500 00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:58,937 He was leaving his office and was likely headed home, 501 00:28:59,021 --> 00:29:02,023 and so we were set up along his route home. 502 00:29:02,116 --> 00:29:04,776 And the decision was made that once he passes, 503 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:08,363 a uniform car will execute a traffic stop on him. 504 00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:12,867 When the uniform car stopped Dennis Rader's truck, 505 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,297 I had kind of beat feet as quickly as I could move 506 00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:19,132 because Dennis was coming out of his-- 507 00:29:19,217 --> 00:29:22,052 His door popped open fairly quickly, 508 00:29:22,136 --> 00:29:24,712 but before he was able to get out, 509 00:29:24,797 --> 00:29:27,307 I grabbed him and introduced him to the concrete. 510 00:29:28,884 --> 00:29:31,886 I was joined by several of my colleagues 511 00:29:31,979 --> 00:29:35,565 who had every kind of gun in the world pointed at him. 512 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,893 They got him handcuffed, and we stood him up. 513 00:29:38,986 --> 00:29:42,656 When he turned to me, we're maybe a foot apart, 514 00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:44,908 looking eye to eye. 515 00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:46,910 He looks at me and says, 516 00:29:46,994 --> 00:29:49,654 "Would you mind telling my wife I won't be home for lunch? 517 00:29:49,747 --> 00:29:51,322 I assume you know where I live," 518 00:29:51,407 --> 00:29:53,667 just calm as calm can be, 519 00:29:55,411 --> 00:29:59,414 And we escort him back to a transport vehicle. 520 00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:00,841 - He stuck his head in the door 521 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,417 and he says, "Well, hello, Mr. Landwehr." 522 00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:04,168 So that was all he said. 523 00:30:04,253 --> 00:30:07,005 Immediate recognition and knew who Kenny was. 524 00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:09,340 We scooted him in the car. I jumped in next to him, 525 00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:11,685 and we took off for our interview location. 526 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:16,106 - Let's talk about when you did get caught. 527 00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:17,774 It was a huge effort. 528 00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:20,360 What was that like to be in the middle of it? 529 00:30:47,713 --> 00:30:48,555 - Right. 530 00:30:59,317 --> 00:31:01,401 - One of the things the FBI profiler 531 00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:04,654 that was interviewing him with Lieutenant Landwehr 532 00:31:04,739 --> 00:31:08,992 made him say--very specific, he said, 533 00:31:09,151 --> 00:31:11,486 "Tell us who you are. 534 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,080 Tell us who you are, Dennis." 535 00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:17,918 And eventually he would say, "I'm BTK." 536 00:31:18,002 --> 00:31:19,377 [dramatic chords] 537 00:31:23,674 --> 00:31:25,842 [intense percussive music] 538 00:31:25,927 --> 00:31:28,670 - During the initial interview process, 539 00:31:28,763 --> 00:31:31,589 Kenny Landwehr was in the room with Dennis Rader 540 00:31:31,682 --> 00:31:35,769 and laid the floppy disk on the table just to get his reaction. 541 00:31:55,873 --> 00:31:58,708 - When you asked them to tell you 542 00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:01,294 if the floppy could be traced, why did you trust them? 543 00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:20,722 - To this day when Rader talks about that, 544 00:32:20,806 --> 00:32:23,474 he still can't believe the cops lied to him. 545 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,153 He got a degree in administration of justice, 546 00:32:27,238 --> 00:32:28,896 and he would know 547 00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:31,149 that interrogators use lies all the time 548 00:32:31,233 --> 00:32:34,077 because they're trying to catch the bad guys. 549 00:32:34,161 --> 00:32:40,324 So there's an odd child-like naivety at play here. 550 00:32:40,409 --> 00:32:43,586 "How could you have ever betrayed me like that?" 551 00:32:43,746 --> 00:32:47,498 - Dennis even felt, you know, that since he wore a badge 552 00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:50,677 and a uniform that we were kind of in the same group, 553 00:32:50,761 --> 00:32:54,514 that we were all in the law enforcement, that world. 554 00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:58,351 - Why did you finally confess during the interrogation? 555 00:33:09,772 --> 00:33:12,190 - He cooperated on all the cases, 556 00:33:12,274 --> 00:33:15,201 including the two that the county detectives had, 557 00:33:15,286 --> 00:33:18,196 which were the Dolores Davis and Marine Hedge, 558 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,949 who were disposed of in their territory, their jurisdiction. 559 00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:25,119 - For decades, it's been speculated BTK was responsible 560 00:33:25,204 --> 00:33:27,047 for more murders, 561 00:33:27,131 --> 00:33:29,299 the 1991 murder of Dolores Davis 562 00:33:29,383 --> 00:33:32,293 and the 1985 murder of Marine Hedge. 563 00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:34,212 [uneasy music] 564 00:33:34,296 --> 00:33:35,630 - When Dennis Rader was asked 565 00:33:35,714 --> 00:33:37,557 about the possibility of his family 566 00:33:37,641 --> 00:33:39,809 knowing that he was BTK, 567 00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:43,721 he did not feel that they ever had a clue. 568 00:33:43,806 --> 00:33:47,233 - On the day that Dennis Rader was arrested, 569 00:33:47,318 --> 00:33:50,478 Detective Kelly Otis and myself talked with his wife. 570 00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:55,325 She was, of course in shock, in complete denial, 571 00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:57,318 complete denial. She said, "No, no, no." 572 00:33:57,402 --> 00:33:59,403 She said, "You've made a horrible mistake." 573 00:33:59,488 --> 00:34:03,074 She was not going to believe this. 574 00:34:03,158 --> 00:34:05,168 Although she was putting on a brave face, you know, 575 00:34:05,252 --> 00:34:06,494 that she had to be-- 576 00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:08,329 Her mind had to be just whirling, 577 00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:11,332 and wondering, and worrying, 578 00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,501 and thinking back over their marriage-- 579 00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:16,262 "Is this a possibility?" 580 00:34:34,189 --> 00:34:40,695 - He was manipulative enough to keep them in the dark. 581 00:34:40,779 --> 00:34:43,039 As much as-- I'd say sick to my stomach, 582 00:34:43,198 --> 00:34:45,875 I was sick to my heart. 583 00:34:46,034 --> 00:34:53,291 I don't know that the Dennis that I thought I knew exists. 584 00:34:53,375 --> 00:34:55,385 - I did interview his son. 585 00:34:55,469 --> 00:34:57,962 He said, "We lived the perfect 'Leave It To Beaver' Life.'" 586 00:34:58,055 --> 00:34:59,547 He said, "We went on vacations. 587 00:34:59,631 --> 00:35:01,632 Dad was involved in our sports, 588 00:35:01,717 --> 00:35:04,302 and our activities and the church. 589 00:35:04,386 --> 00:35:08,222 We had a great time at home." He said "There's nothing." 590 00:35:08,307 --> 00:35:11,726 But the day he was arrested is basically the day 591 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:15,572 he will mark forever as the day he died. 592 00:35:15,731 --> 00:35:17,815 - He was like my best friend that I walked the dog with, 593 00:35:17,908 --> 00:35:20,067 and I was very close to him. 594 00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:21,744 And so when the FBI showed up at my door, you know, 595 00:35:21,904 --> 00:35:24,655 February of 2005, 596 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:26,749 like, I told them they had the wrong guy. 597 00:35:26,909 --> 00:35:30,837 I tried to alibi him, and I just fell into physical shock. 598 00:35:30,996 --> 00:35:33,339 My whole world just fell out under me. 599 00:35:35,009 --> 00:35:38,511 - When you were arrested, did it occur to you 600 00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:40,588 that people who looked up to you, 601 00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:42,849 how they were going to feel about that? 602 00:36:03,779 --> 00:36:06,873 - He never thought he'd be caught, 603 00:36:06,957 --> 00:36:10,543 so he really didn't think about what it would be like for them 604 00:36:10,628 --> 00:36:12,378 to find out their father 605 00:36:12,463 --> 00:36:15,882 or their husband was a serial killer. 606 00:36:15,966 --> 00:36:20,553 So if you consider that love is being able to 607 00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:24,298 think about what benefits the loved one, 608 00:36:24,383 --> 00:36:25,808 then you would say Rader's love, 609 00:36:25,893 --> 00:36:29,229 whatever it means, does not run very deep. 610 00:36:29,313 --> 00:36:32,390 - Today is a very historic day. 611 00:36:32,474 --> 00:36:36,736 The bottom line-- BTK is arrested. 612 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:41,482 [crowd cheering] 613 00:36:41,566 --> 00:36:44,235 - The day Dennis Rader was arrested, 614 00:36:44,319 --> 00:36:47,071 I'm in a shopping center. I hadn't gone into work yet. 615 00:36:47,164 --> 00:36:49,666 My boss calls, and he goes, 616 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:51,918 "We're almost positive BTK has been caught. 617 00:36:52,002 --> 00:36:54,837 You need to get into work right away." 618 00:36:54,997 --> 00:37:00,584 No lie, the whole room, 619 00:37:00,669 --> 00:37:03,587 the whole shopping center started spinning. 620 00:37:03,672 --> 00:37:07,508 The blood rushed from my head down to my toes, 621 00:37:07,601 --> 00:37:10,186 and I sat down and said, "I'm going to faint." 622 00:37:10,345 --> 00:37:12,438 And then I started crying. 623 00:37:12,523 --> 00:37:15,108 I just cried and cried and cried, 624 00:37:15,192 --> 00:37:20,021 and I think I had much the same reaction 625 00:37:20,105 --> 00:37:22,615 as a lot of women in Wichita had, 626 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:27,245 and that was such a sense of relief. 627 00:37:28,706 --> 00:37:31,365 - Glad they caught the son of a bitch. 628 00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:34,794 Now my mom can rest in peace. 629 00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:04,148 [dark music] 630 00:38:04,232 --> 00:38:09,162 - It was very, very tense time. 631 00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:12,498 I didn't know how to feel. I wanted revenge. 632 00:38:12,583 --> 00:38:15,326 I wanted to get my hands on this guy. 633 00:38:15,419 --> 00:38:18,629 [intense musical buildup] 634 00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:26,346 - Rader tells us he had most of 635 00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:29,173 what he called the mother lode of evidence 636 00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:30,674 in a two-drawer file cabinet 637 00:38:30,759 --> 00:38:34,020 located in his compliance office at Park City. 638 00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:36,597 When we were there, it was unlocked. 639 00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:39,350 There was a key to lock it up on top, but it wasn't locked. 640 00:38:39,434 --> 00:38:40,684 So he was pretty comfortable, I guess, 641 00:38:40,769 --> 00:38:42,528 that it was safe there. 642 00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:45,281 He had everything categorized, indexed, 643 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,367 and they were in order, 644 00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:49,944 kept all the originals of any correspondence, 645 00:38:50,037 --> 00:38:52,363 of all the artifacts that he was collecting. 646 00:38:52,447 --> 00:38:55,282 He would mark them with dates and times. 647 00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:58,953 The level of organization was remarkable. 648 00:38:59,046 --> 00:39:01,872 ♪ ♪ 649 00:39:01,957 --> 00:39:03,883 - At this time, we're going to ask 650 00:39:03,967 --> 00:39:06,544 how do you plead to these ten counts? 651 00:39:06,628 --> 00:39:07,962 - Guilty. - All right. 652 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,631 Are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? 653 00:39:10,715 --> 00:39:12,892 - Yes, sir. - All right. 654 00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:17,063 Mr. Rader, I need to find out more information. 655 00:39:17,222 --> 00:39:21,142 - Well, I mean, I strangled Mrs. Otero. 656 00:39:21,226 --> 00:39:26,322 - He was sentenced to ten consecutive life sentences. 657 00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:29,400 The death penalty for his case was not on the books, 658 00:39:29,484 --> 00:39:31,986 and so we really never had a discussion 659 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,488 about the death penalty being possible. 660 00:39:34,581 --> 00:39:35,915 He was fully aware 661 00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:39,710 that he was never going to see freedom again. 662 00:39:41,171 --> 00:39:44,757 - I think that we in the media and in the community 663 00:39:44,842 --> 00:39:49,262 really fully understood the damage he had done 664 00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:51,589 when you could feel that sense of relief 665 00:39:51,673 --> 00:39:54,183 that he was off the street forever. 666 00:39:54,342 --> 00:39:57,595 - In the courtroom, families of some of BTK's victims 667 00:39:57,688 --> 00:39:59,597 got their first real look 668 00:39:59,681 --> 00:40:02,433 at the man police believe killed their loved ones. 669 00:40:02,517 --> 00:40:04,435 - This changed these young people's lives 670 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,112 30, 25 years ago 671 00:40:06,271 --> 00:40:08,614 and they've lived with that ever since. 672 00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,608 - The criminal actions of Dennis Rader 673 00:40:10,692 --> 00:40:12,776 caused irreparable damage 674 00:40:12,861 --> 00:40:14,704 to the very fabric of my blood family. 675 00:40:14,788 --> 00:40:17,957 He caused me to challenge my faith, 676 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:20,877 changed my future forever, 677 00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:22,536 yet I have never allowed his actions 678 00:40:22,621 --> 00:40:25,956 to send me to the dark side. 679 00:40:26,041 --> 00:40:29,293 - Nancy Fox is my sister. 680 00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:31,888 Nancy's death is like a deep wound 681 00:40:32,047 --> 00:40:34,140 that will never, ever heal. 682 00:40:34,224 --> 00:40:37,635 - I'd just like for him to suffer 683 00:40:37,728 --> 00:40:39,896 for the rest of his life. 684 00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:43,557 - I'm Jeffrey Davis, son of Dolores Davis. 685 00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:47,737 For the last 5,326 days, I have wondered 686 00:40:47,821 --> 00:40:49,563 what it would be like to confront 687 00:40:49,648 --> 00:40:53,993 the walking cesspool that took my mother's precious life. 688 00:40:54,077 --> 00:41:00,741 Not only were we united as a family of survivors, 689 00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:03,160 we were kind of representative 690 00:41:03,245 --> 00:41:06,580 of the family of citizens of the community 691 00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:11,669 who had literally lived in terror at times. 692 00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:15,014 You have to live with the cold reality 693 00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:18,935 that while all of us here will overcome your depravity, 694 00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,011 you have now lost everything, 695 00:41:21,096 --> 00:41:23,606 and you will forever remain nothing. 696 00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:28,269 - His wife requested an emergency divorce, 697 00:41:28,353 --> 00:41:31,105 and I think it's probably the quickest divorce in history. 698 00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:33,023 It was probably less than five minutes. 699 00:41:33,108 --> 00:41:35,451 I don't think she's ever looked back. 700 00:41:35,536 --> 00:41:39,947 I don't think she enjoys being in the public. 701 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,199 She's never been interviewed. 702 00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:46,120 - Paula and the kids became Dennis' victims. 703 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:50,216 I can't imagine the price that they paid. 704 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:56,297 My heart--I can't imagine. 705 00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:57,640 ♪ ♪ 706 00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:00,467 - This is now Dennis Rader, 707 00:42:00,552 --> 00:42:04,305 no longer in a courtroom suit but a prison uniform. 708 00:42:04,398 --> 00:42:05,973 This is likely the last time 709 00:42:06,057 --> 00:42:09,860 you'll ever see the serial killer again. 710 00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:29,171 - One of the things I suspected about Rader, 711 00:42:29,256 --> 00:42:31,498 there were things different about him 712 00:42:31,583 --> 00:42:36,253 than the typical things we know about serial killers-- 713 00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:38,672 The fact that he was a family man, 714 00:42:38,757 --> 00:42:40,600 had a full-time job. 715 00:42:40,684 --> 00:42:44,678 He seemed to be a regular guy with an ordinary childhood. 716 00:42:44,763 --> 00:42:50,851 It impressed upon me the importance of studying people 717 00:42:50,944 --> 00:42:55,531 who don't fit the mold, who break the stereotypes. 718 00:42:55,616 --> 00:43:00,536 We need to be very clear that there are no formulas 719 00:43:00,695 --> 00:43:04,457 because I think had we been like that back then, 720 00:43:04,541 --> 00:43:07,293 Rader would have been caught sooner. 721 00:43:08,536 --> 00:43:10,037 I think it's an irony 722 00:43:10,121 --> 00:43:13,382 that everything about Rader is control, 723 00:43:13,541 --> 00:43:18,212 and yet he's in a prison cell 24-7 724 00:43:18,305 --> 00:43:20,556 with guards deciding when he gets his meds 725 00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:24,393 and his food and he gets to have a shower, et cetera. 726 00:43:24,478 --> 00:43:28,055 He's totally under our control, 727 00:43:28,148 --> 00:43:31,809 and it's important that we learn from people like Rader 728 00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:33,977 by demystifying them, 729 00:43:34,062 --> 00:43:38,482 decoding them, and unmasking them. 730 00:43:38,575 --> 00:43:42,319 Even though my work with Rader is finished, 731 00:43:42,404 --> 00:43:44,655 my research of extreme offenders 732 00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:47,833 and how to prevent them continues. 59589

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