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[uneasy music]
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- People in Wichita had been
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terrorized by this
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Bind, Torture, Kill Individual
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for 30 years.
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- He said,
"If you become my project
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and you have a routine,
you're in trouble."
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- Rader then moved on
to a different project,
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Project Blackout,
and again, no results.
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- Dennis Rader,
he was the master manipulator.
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- In 1991,
Rader was in his mid-40s.
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By this time, he had
accomplished ten murders
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without anyone suspecting him.
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[intense musical buildup]
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[brisk music]
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♪ ♪
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- When I was writing the book
about Dennis Rader,
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the serial killer known as BTK,
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one of the things he wanted me
to have to use to organize it
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was his project list...
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♪ ♪
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Comprised of various people
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he had identified
as potential victims,
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and that meant
being very clear about
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when he attempted
to kidnap somebody,
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when he stalked somebody
and made contact.
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- There were a number of young
women during that time
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who he had picked out,
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who were on his list,
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who he was going to murder.
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- The list had the project name,
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the years, the dates,
the location--
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All the details
he could think of
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and fit onto this little chart.
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So it gives a lot of sense
of his personality.
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He liked things organized,
clear.
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He liked to follow rules
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because he wanted
other people to follow rules,
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but that way,
he could then break the rules
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but come back into
a safe, organized world.
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Project 16 on the project list
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was known as Project Blackout.
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- My name is
Cheryl Gilmour Sarkozy,
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and I'm a survivor of BTK.
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And his name for me
was Project Blackout.
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- Good morning.
- Hello, Dennis.
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I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland,
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professor of forensic psychology
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and the author of multiple books
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about extreme offenders
like serial killers.
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I've been corresponding
with Dennis Rader
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to try to understand
what led him to become
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one of the most notorious
serial killers in America.
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This is the first time
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that Rader has explored these
topics in-depth with anyone.
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- The more information
we have about serial killers,
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the more we understand
what makes them tick,
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the easier it will be
to prevent them.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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♪ ♪
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[uneasy music]
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After the Dolores Davis murder,
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Rader slips back
into a period of dormancy.
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He continues to look
for projects,
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but he doesn't act out.
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What were you doing
in those years
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when nothing
was really happening?
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- Did you feel like you were
in control of your urges then?
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- The planning for
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any sexually compelled
serial killer
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is definitely
part of the pleasure,
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and Dennis Rader
is quite the organizer.
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In the project list,
marked Project Blackout,
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Blackout refers to a bar
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near the campus
of Wichita State University
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where Rader
would often go have a beer.
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Rader writes, "Girl at bar,"
and indicates the year 1977.
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[uneasy music]
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- I was 26 years old
at that time.
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One afternoon,
a girlfriend and I
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decided to go
to the Blackout Bar,
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and I started talking
to this man,
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and he told me that he was
studying at the university.
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It had to do with, like,
police work and law.
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The bar got raided,
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and everybody was told to leave.
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And so he was walking with me
through the parking lot.
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I said, "So, tell me,
do you know
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if it's against the law
in Kansas to commit suicide?"
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And he said,
"It is against the law."
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And I said, "Well,
that's a shame because
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"I think that anybody
that wants to commit suicide
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should have that right."
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And he reached over
and took my arm
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and he squeezed it and he said,
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"Oh, please don't say that."
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And I thought,
"What a kind man."
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By then I was at my car,
and I got in the car and left.
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He was really sort of a
nondescript type of character.
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He wasn't someone
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that I gave a second thought
to after that,
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but it turned out that
that was Dennis Rader.
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[dark chords]
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That particular day,
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he had followed me home,
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and then he started stalking me.
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- So I have a report
from a woman named Cheryl.
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She said she talked with you
at the Blackout Lounge.
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- Cheryl Gilmour Sarkozy's
neighbor
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was Dennis Rader's
sixth murder victim,
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Shirley Vian, who he killed
on March 17, 1977.
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- The day Shirley Vian
was murdered,
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I had a 4-year old son,
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and he had come to work
with me that afternoon.
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When he and I got home,
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the whole neighborhood
was filled with police cars.
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There was a knock on my door,
and this policeman came in
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and he said
the woman a few doors down
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has been murdered,
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and her little boy has said
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he saw the man
knock on your door,
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so we feel that you might have
been the intended victim.
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I can't imagine why anybody
would want to kill me.
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It was a horrifying time
in my life,
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and I nailed
all my windows shut.
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And I couldn't sleep for months.
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Had I been home that day,
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it would have been me
instead of Shirley Vian.
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- It certainly was possible
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that Rader would have had
a number of other victims
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had things gone
a little bit differently,
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had someone come home
when he expected them to,
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had he figured out a routine
of somebody in the right way.
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From the project list
Rader shared with me,
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we can see that he continued
stalking a number of people
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during the period of 1991
to 2005,
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but he just didn't succeed.
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At the same time,
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Rader worked as a park
city compliance officer...
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- The dogs are somewhat
territorial...
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- A job that once again
gave him cover
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to stalk and troll
in his own backyard.
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- the reporting parties
of where the sheep were killed.
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- A compliance officer is like
a law enforcement equivalent
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which is
"Your grass is overgrown,"
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"Your dog is off the leash,"
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"Your house needs painting."
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He can kind of
lord it over people
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and actually could carry a gun
as part of the job.
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- Did you like being
a compliance officer?
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- Serial killers who aspire
to become cops
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typically
had delusions of power.
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- As I recall,
several citizens called
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and made complaints about
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his being strict or rude,
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confrontational
and that type of behavior.
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- As a compliance officer,
he didn't like it
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if somebody did something
he thought they shouldn't.
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So in his world, it was okay
for him to break the rules,
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but he needed that safety
of that regimented world
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so everyone else around him
had to stay within their lane.
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January 2004
marked the 30th anniversary
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of Dennis Rader's first
murders, the Otero family.
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It was 25 years
since his last correspondence
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with police or the media,
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and it had been 13 years
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since he'd killed his
last victim, Dolores Davis,
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although no one had yet
linked BTK to her murder.
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- When you have anniversaries,
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news departments
do stories on it,
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so it was on the front page
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that a guy was writing
a book about BTK.
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Well, BTK did not like that.
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He is so arrogant
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that he wanted
to tell his story.
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- When Dennis Rader
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learned that an attorney
wanted to write a book
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about the unsolved BTK crimes
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and he was going
to cover seven victims,
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and Rader knew there were more,
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so he didn't want a book written
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that would be his legacy
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that would really not
get the story right.
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- My administrative assistant
goes up to the mail every day,
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and she had gotten a letter
that had a photocopy
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of what appeared to be
an old Polaroid.
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It looked like a woman's body
on the floor
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and a copy of a woman's
driver's license.
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The driver's license
was Vicki Wegerle's.
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Her murder had never
been tied to BTK.
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- Investigators believe
the letter is from BTK
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because it has information
about a 2-decade-old homicide
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linked to BTK that only
the killer would know.
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BTK claims in the letter
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that Vicki Wegerle
was his eighth victim.
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- No photographs had been
taken of the victim
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at the scene by the police,
by anybody,
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because Vicki Wegerle had
been removed from the scene
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by an ambulance crew.
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So if there were any doubts
in anybody's mind
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that this guy
was the real thing,
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it stopped right there.
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It regenerated the fears
of the citizenry
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there in Wichita.
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In your gut you felt like,
"Oh, my God, whoever he is
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and wherever he lives,
we gotta stop this."
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- A letter received by KAKE TV
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was turned over to us
last Wednesday,
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and we are treating it
as possibly being sent by BTK.
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- In 2004,
after the re-emergence of BTK,
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the Wichita Police Department,
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under the leadership
of Kenny Landwehr,
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who was the homicide
lieutenant at that time,
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formed a task force made up
of Wichita police detectives,
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FBI agents, KBI agents.
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I mean, I said,
"We're gonna get this guy.
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I don't care what it takes."
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- BTK is back because
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he wants to see
his name in the paper.
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He wants to see him talked about
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on the television station.
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- BTK is communicating again.
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- BTK is back.
- BTK--
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- BTK--
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- This is one of the most
challenging cases
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that I've ever been
involved with,
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and I find that the individual
that is doing this
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would be very interesting
to talk to.
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- Early on in the investigation,
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a couple of profilers
from the FBI were brought in,
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and one of the greatest
guidances that they provided
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was the creation
of the communications
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that Kenny Landwehr
would release
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in these various media events.
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It all looked fairly natural,
the way Kenny delivered it,
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but these were scripted
for the intent
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and sole purpose
of keeping BTK communicating.
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If we could keep him
communicating,
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that was the key
to catching him.
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Eventually he would slip up.
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- When Ken Landwehr did
a press conference about you,
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what was that like for you?
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- The strategy
that Ken Landwehr adopted
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was to personalize this,
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to address whoever BTK was.
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The hope was that
that would make the killer
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feel as if they were buddies,
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which is exactly
what did happen.
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Rader really enjoyed it.
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So what started as an attempt
to control his story
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turned into this game
with law enforcement
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that he thought they were
having as much fun as he was.
257
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- He has communicated with us
since the '70s,
258
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and it continues today.
259
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- Shortly after that,
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KAKE TV got a letter
that had one page
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the BTK story--
Chapter one, chapter two,
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chapter three, chapter four--
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Went all through the chapters.
264
00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:09,084
- He suggests chapter names
in talking about BTK.
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What killer does that?
266
00:16:12,088 --> 00:16:16,508
He wanted to give us a guide
on how we cover him, basically.
267
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- But the scariest thing
was the very last chapter
268
00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,932
was just a question:
"Will there be more?"
269
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Taunting police and Wichita.
270
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Who was going to be
the next victim?
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Scared us all to death.
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♪ ♪
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- Why did you decide to send
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the BTK's story
to the TV station?
275
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- We would get sent information.
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Obviously, we'd read it,
we'd do a story about it,
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00:16:54,556 --> 00:16:56,715
but immediately hand it over
to the police department
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hoping that maybe
this will lead to his capture.
279
00:17:00,053 --> 00:17:05,808
- In May of 2004, Dennis Rader
sent a word puzzle
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comprised of random letters
and numbers to KAKE TV.
281
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It was obviously a word search,
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00:17:14,317 --> 00:17:16,568
and the idea
was that in this puzzle
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there might be clues
to his identity.
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00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:22,833
- Our responsibility
was to find the words
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00:17:22,992 --> 00:17:24,576
in the word puzzle.
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One was victim.
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00:17:27,422 --> 00:17:30,841
One was serviceman.
288
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One was ruse.
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So we were in the newsroom
looking at this puzzle going,
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"Oh, my gosh."
291
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- Hello, Susan.
- So nice meeting you,
292
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Dr. Ramsland,
and thank you so much
293
00:17:45,023 --> 00:17:48,267
for shedding light
on these puzzles.
294
00:17:48,351 --> 00:17:50,435
- Well, he loved codes.
295
00:17:50,529 --> 00:17:51,862
That was his big thing,
he loved codes
296
00:17:51,947 --> 00:17:53,697
and communicating through codes,
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00:17:53,782 --> 00:17:55,866
with just the idea of,
"Now you have to figure me out.
298
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You have to be thinking of me."
299
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Why he chose these words,
why some are backwards,
300
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some are forwards,
what's this number,
301
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which actually should have
the zero to it
302
00:18:06,035 --> 00:18:08,212
because that's his address.
303
00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:09,797
- Oh!
304
00:18:09,881 --> 00:18:11,966
Wait a minute.
Where's his address?
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- 6220.
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00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:16,720
If you saw that an O,
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you wouldn't know that's a zero.
308
00:18:19,048 --> 00:18:21,308
- Exactly! First of all,
we didn't know at the time...
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00:18:21,467 --> 00:18:23,310
- Right, of course.
- Obviously.
310
00:18:23,469 --> 00:18:25,888
But the 622 and then the 0...
- Yeah, who would do that?
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- Was his address.
- Right, who would do that?
312
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- Here it was here all the time.
313
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And then he puts address
right down there.
314
00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:35,814
- But that's the cat-and-mouse
nature of it.
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The fun of it is he's going to
take some risk
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in order to have some delight
317
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over how confusing
this is going to be,
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00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:44,740
and then he'll see
that you won't get it,
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00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:47,159
so he'll feel superior.
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00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:50,245
- Which... I'm sure he did.
321
00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:57,502
He sent KAKE TV most of the
clues and the correspondence.
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00:18:57,587 --> 00:19:00,931
Why do you think
he sent it to KAKE TV?
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00:19:01,090 --> 00:19:02,600
- He knew he was going
to get publicity
324
00:19:02,684 --> 00:19:04,927
if he sent this to KAKE.
325
00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:08,355
And he loved the station
because he watched it as a kid.
326
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,099
He loved you particularly.
327
00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:16,197
- I remember responding to one
correspondence in particular
328
00:19:16,281 --> 00:19:18,440
where he said,
329
00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:21,702
"I hope Susan's and Jeff's
cold gets better."
330
00:19:21,861 --> 00:19:24,112
Two nights before
I had just said on the air,
331
00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:26,290
"Jeff and I have a cold, Jay.
332
00:19:26,449 --> 00:19:28,951
Can you give us
some warm weather?"
333
00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:31,620
Why do you think he did that?
334
00:19:31,713 --> 00:19:34,206
- Rader wanted you to know
he was watching you.
335
00:19:34,299 --> 00:19:36,375
He was aware of you,
alert to you,
336
00:19:36,459 --> 00:19:38,552
and he wants you
to feel his eyes on you.
337
00:19:40,129 --> 00:19:42,806
- That's so frightening.
- Definitely.
338
00:19:42,966 --> 00:19:46,218
I was wondering,
because you were
339
00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:49,396
so attuned to media
at that time,
340
00:19:49,555 --> 00:19:54,652
whether you ever considered
a media person as a project?
341
00:20:05,571 --> 00:20:06,413
- Okay.
342
00:20:13,162 --> 00:20:18,166
- He's having fun because he is
watching this hit the news,
343
00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:21,169
be talked about on TV,
344
00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:25,599
but he forgets
you are a serial killer.
345
00:20:25,758 --> 00:20:28,760
This cat-and-mouse game
is about real people
346
00:20:28,845 --> 00:20:31,105
that you killed.
347
00:20:31,189 --> 00:20:33,941
You're acting as if the police
are playing a game with you
348
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:36,944
and everybody's
having a good time at it,
349
00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:39,113
and that is not
what's happening.
350
00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,117
- We were all concerned
because we didn't know
351
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,286
what was going to happen--
We didn't know
352
00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:47,779
if all of a sudden
in the middle of the night
353
00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:50,541
the BTK was going to
go show up in our bedroom.
354
00:20:57,132 --> 00:21:00,050
- Throughout 2004
into the beginning of 2005,
355
00:21:00,135 --> 00:21:02,294
Dennis Rader sent correspondence
356
00:21:02,378 --> 00:21:04,129
and items of evidence
from his crimes
357
00:21:04,213 --> 00:21:06,548
to the media and police.
358
00:21:06,632 --> 00:21:09,059
He enjoyed the publicity,
359
00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:11,312
and he wanted to tell
his story in his own way.
360
00:21:13,556 --> 00:21:18,226
- KAKE received another message
from BTK about a cereal box
361
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,146
that he had deposited
at a home-improvement store
362
00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:25,409
that wasn't that far
from KAKE TV.
363
00:21:25,568 --> 00:21:27,652
- We sent--immediately sent
detectives to Home Depot,
364
00:21:27,746 --> 00:21:29,738
and they looked,
didn't see anything,
365
00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:31,081
talked to all the employees
366
00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,075
about any packages
they had found.
367
00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:34,826
- Investigators posted a message
368
00:21:34,911 --> 00:21:36,837
in the employee lounges
369
00:21:36,996 --> 00:21:40,174
asking if anyone
saw anything suspicious.
370
00:21:40,258 --> 00:21:43,001
- A guy came back from vacation
and said, "Well, yeah,
371
00:21:43,086 --> 00:21:45,921
"I found this cereal box
in the back of my truck,
372
00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:47,931
and it said 'BTK bomb.'"
373
00:21:48,091 --> 00:21:50,509
[tense music]
374
00:21:50,593 --> 00:21:52,269
Thought somebody
was just messing with him.
375
00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:53,929
So he said, "I just
threw it in my burn barrel
376
00:21:54,022 --> 00:21:55,439
when I got home.
377
00:21:55,523 --> 00:21:57,766
It turns out
that was the communication
378
00:21:57,859 --> 00:22:00,778
that Rader was referring to,
so when we got
379
00:22:00,862 --> 00:22:03,021
the surveillance
of the parking lot,
380
00:22:03,114 --> 00:22:04,698
that was our
actual first sighting
381
00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:08,535
of what we believe was BTK
delivering that package.
382
00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:12,873
- The video was blurry,
and he's far from the camera,
383
00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:15,959
so police couldn't clearly see
what he looked like.
384
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,878
However, they did see
385
00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:22,132
that he was driving
a dark-colored Jeep Cherokee.
386
00:22:22,217 --> 00:22:26,378
What about driving into
the Home Depot parking lot?
387
00:22:26,462 --> 00:22:29,056
Did you think they'd have
a surveillance camera?
388
00:22:46,491 --> 00:22:49,827
- Dennis Rader has gotten away
with this for 30 years,
389
00:22:49,986 --> 00:22:52,404
so there's a narcissism.
390
00:22:52,488 --> 00:22:56,158
We actually call
this narcissistic immunity.
391
00:22:56,251 --> 00:23:00,579
The immunity part is the sense
that he's so special
392
00:23:00,672 --> 00:23:02,831
that no one can touch him,
393
00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:08,420
but the narcissistic immunity
is kind of well-earned because
394
00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:10,764
"I'm one
of the few serial killers
395
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:15,352
that they haven't identified
and never will," in his mind.
396
00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:20,357
- He asked to communicate
with law enforcement directly.
397
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,017
He was trying to find a way
to do that
398
00:23:22,101 --> 00:23:24,111
without giving himself away,
399
00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:26,697
and so one of the things
he suggested
400
00:23:26,856 --> 00:23:29,024
was to use a floppy disk.
401
00:23:29,117 --> 00:23:30,609
So at one point,
402
00:23:30,693 --> 00:23:33,537
he sent a message
through the media saying,
403
00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:35,363
"Can I communicate
with you guys,
404
00:23:35,448 --> 00:23:38,950
and can we use a floppy disk,
and you won't trace it?"
405
00:23:39,035 --> 00:23:41,962
And then he specified,
"Be honest."
406
00:23:43,706 --> 00:23:45,883
- If it was okay for Rader
to send the floppy disk
407
00:23:46,042 --> 00:23:47,626
without being traced,
408
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:50,462
he instructed the police
to respond in code
409
00:23:50,546 --> 00:23:52,723
through an ad in the newspaper
that said,
410
00:23:52,882 --> 00:23:55,392
"Rex, it will be OK."
411
00:23:56,719 --> 00:23:58,896
- We thought it so ironic
that a freaking serial killer
412
00:23:59,055 --> 00:24:00,481
wants us to be honest.
413
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,232
Lieutenant Landwehr decided,
and the FBI,
414
00:24:02,391 --> 00:24:04,735
they decided to go ahead
and place the ad
415
00:24:04,894 --> 00:24:07,070
and see what happens.
416
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,461
- Treated as a possible--
417
00:24:26,582 --> 00:24:28,509
- This letter is from BTK,
and we--
418
00:24:34,924 --> 00:24:37,935
[uneasy music]
419
00:24:38,094 --> 00:24:40,938
- Rader had this kind of
idealism he had developed
420
00:24:41,097 --> 00:24:43,023
ever since he was a boy scout
421
00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:45,350
and his hope
to become a police officer,
422
00:24:45,434 --> 00:24:48,445
had this kind of John Wayne
thinking going on
423
00:24:48,604 --> 00:24:50,531
that they're upholding the law,
424
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:53,033
so of course they're not
going to lie to him.
425
00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:56,787
- He answered
with the floppy disk.
426
00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,791
- The floppy,
was it just a test file on it,
427
00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:02,626
or was there
anything else on it?
428
00:25:05,538 --> 00:25:06,547
+- Okay.
429
00:25:12,628 --> 00:25:14,296
- One of their IT guys
430
00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:16,298
there at the Wichita
Police Department
431
00:25:16,382 --> 00:25:18,892
loaded it into his computer.
432
00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:22,312
He began pulling metadata files
433
00:25:22,397 --> 00:25:25,315
showing prior users
of that disk.
434
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,150
Immediately
there was an indication
435
00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:29,144
that it had been used
436
00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:32,063
at Christ Lutheran Church
up in Park City,
437
00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:35,066
but also the name Dennis
appeared.
438
00:25:35,151 --> 00:25:37,652
- Real quick check--
The president of that church
439
00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:39,663
was a guy named Dennis Rader.
440
00:25:39,822 --> 00:25:41,832
That was a huge break.
441
00:25:41,991 --> 00:25:46,578
- That was one of those moments
where you were just ecstatic.
442
00:25:46,671 --> 00:25:49,164
We found an address
in Park City,
443
00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:52,009
and the race was on--
We all wanted to get there.
444
00:25:52,168 --> 00:25:53,427
[intense music]
445
00:25:58,683 --> 00:26:00,675
- As soon as they get
the location
446
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,094
where Dennis Rader lives,
447
00:26:03,179 --> 00:26:05,439
two of our detectives are on it,
448
00:26:05,523 --> 00:26:09,601
and there sits the type
of vehicle that was used by BTK
449
00:26:09,685 --> 00:26:11,445
to deliver the package
to Home Depot.
450
00:26:13,281 --> 00:26:15,607
- We wanted to just
go knock doors down
451
00:26:15,691 --> 00:26:17,692
and go in and get him.
452
00:26:17,777 --> 00:26:20,445
The lieutenant, he said,
"We don't have his DNA
453
00:26:20,529 --> 00:26:24,958
to confirm that this is
in fact the BTK Killer."
454
00:26:25,043 --> 00:26:27,619
We didn't arrest him
at that point,
455
00:26:27,703 --> 00:26:30,380
but he was placed under
surveillance 24-7
456
00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:33,875
because the last thing
we wanted was for him to go out
457
00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:35,636
and try to victimize somebody
458
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,888
after we had
already identified him.
459
00:26:37,972 --> 00:26:39,640
- With DNA testing,
460
00:26:39,724 --> 00:26:42,717
forensic scientists can link
criminals to crime scenes,
461
00:26:42,802 --> 00:26:44,811
something that was
unavailable to police
462
00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:47,889
when the BTK Killer first
terrorized Wichita, Kansas
463
00:26:47,982 --> 00:26:50,067
in the mid-'70s.
464
00:26:50,226 --> 00:26:53,320
- We had DNA from the Otero
case and several other cases.
465
00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:56,231
At this point,
you've got DNA analysis.
466
00:26:56,324 --> 00:26:58,909
When BTK was leaving
all that evidence behind,
467
00:26:59,068 --> 00:27:00,577
it was worthless.
468
00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,320
It couldn't be analyzed
back then,
469
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:04,331
but technology had caught up.
470
00:27:04,415 --> 00:27:05,990
- Were you worried about
471
00:27:06,084 --> 00:27:08,076
getting caught during this time,
472
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,628
that they might trace
something back to you?
473
00:27:29,765 --> 00:27:31,933
- We began to mull over
the idea,
474
00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:34,602
"How do we get his DNA?"
475
00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,279
And I happen to notice
that his daughter
476
00:27:36,364 --> 00:27:38,782
had gone
to Kansas State University.
477
00:27:38,941 --> 00:27:40,617
Let's get a court order
478
00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,369
and see
if they've got any records.
479
00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:45,280
Sure enough,
they had records of her.
480
00:27:45,364 --> 00:27:48,616
The records indicated
that she had had a Pap smear.
481
00:27:48,701 --> 00:27:52,212
We're able to take possession
of that sample.
482
00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:55,549
Then we began to wait
for the analysis.
483
00:27:57,468 --> 00:28:01,054
I got a call that following
Monday from the examiner,
484
00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:04,057
and she said,
"That sample you submitted,
485
00:28:04,216 --> 00:28:08,720
that person
is the offspring of BTK."
486
00:28:08,813 --> 00:28:11,723
Those were words
that I had waited
487
00:28:11,807 --> 00:28:14,067
and hoped we would hear
eventually.
488
00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:17,654
- That's pretty definitive
at that point.
489
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:19,072
It was very exciting.
490
00:28:19,157 --> 00:28:21,399
I can only imagine
for the Wichita guys
491
00:28:21,484 --> 00:28:23,994
who'd been living this case
every day and night
492
00:28:24,153 --> 00:28:27,581
for months and years--
That had to feel incredible.
493
00:28:29,584 --> 00:28:33,578
- Following the findings
of our forensic laboratory,
494
00:28:33,662 --> 00:28:36,590
number one on that priority
was the arrest of Dennis Rader.
495
00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:46,016
There were a number of people
in the arrest team--
496
00:28:46,175 --> 00:28:47,842
All of the task force,
497
00:28:47,927 --> 00:28:49,936
plus a couple
of uniformed officers.
498
00:28:50,095 --> 00:28:52,689
We got word from
the surveillance team
499
00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:54,775
that Dennis Rader, the BTK,
was on the move.
500
00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:58,937
He was leaving his office
and was likely headed home,
501
00:28:59,021 --> 00:29:02,023
and so we were set up
along his route home.
502
00:29:02,116 --> 00:29:04,776
And the decision was made
that once he passes,
503
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:08,363
a uniform car will execute
a traffic stop on him.
504
00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:12,867
When the uniform car
stopped Dennis Rader's truck,
505
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,297
I had kind of beat feet
as quickly as I could move
506
00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:19,132
because Dennis
was coming out of his--
507
00:29:19,217 --> 00:29:22,052
His door popped open
fairly quickly,
508
00:29:22,136 --> 00:29:24,712
but before he was able
to get out,
509
00:29:24,797 --> 00:29:27,307
I grabbed him and introduced
him to the concrete.
510
00:29:28,884 --> 00:29:31,886
I was joined by several
of my colleagues
511
00:29:31,979 --> 00:29:35,565
who had every kind of gun
in the world pointed at him.
512
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,893
They got him handcuffed,
and we stood him up.
513
00:29:38,986 --> 00:29:42,656
When he turned to me,
we're maybe a foot apart,
514
00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:44,908
looking eye to eye.
515
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:46,910
He looks at me and says,
516
00:29:46,994 --> 00:29:49,654
"Would you mind telling my wife
I won't be home for lunch?
517
00:29:49,747 --> 00:29:51,322
I assume you know where I live,"
518
00:29:51,407 --> 00:29:53,667
just calm as calm can be,
519
00:29:55,411 --> 00:29:59,414
And we escort him back
to a transport vehicle.
520
00:29:59,498 --> 00:30:00,841
- He stuck his head in the door
521
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,417
and he says,
"Well, hello, Mr. Landwehr."
522
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:04,168
So that was all he said.
523
00:30:04,253 --> 00:30:07,005
Immediate recognition
and knew who Kenny was.
524
00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:09,340
We scooted him in the car.
I jumped in next to him,
525
00:30:09,425 --> 00:30:11,685
and we took off
for our interview location.
526
00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:16,106
- Let's talk about
when you did get caught.
527
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:17,774
It was a huge effort.
528
00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:20,360
What was that like to be
in the middle of it?
529
00:30:47,713 --> 00:30:48,555
- Right.
530
00:30:59,317 --> 00:31:01,401
- One of the things
the FBI profiler
531
00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:04,654
that was interviewing him
with Lieutenant Landwehr
532
00:31:04,739 --> 00:31:08,992
made him say--very specific,
he said,
533
00:31:09,151 --> 00:31:11,486
"Tell us who you are.
534
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,080
Tell us who you are, Dennis."
535
00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:17,918
And eventually he would say,
"I'm BTK."
536
00:31:18,002 --> 00:31:19,377
[dramatic chords]
537
00:31:23,674 --> 00:31:25,842
[intense percussive music]
538
00:31:25,927 --> 00:31:28,670
- During the initial
interview process,
539
00:31:28,763 --> 00:31:31,589
Kenny Landwehr was in the room
with Dennis Rader
540
00:31:31,682 --> 00:31:35,769
and laid the floppy disk on the
table just to get his reaction.
541
00:31:55,873 --> 00:31:58,708
- When you asked them
to tell you
542
00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:01,294
if the floppy could be traced,
why did you trust them?
543
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:20,722
- To this day when Rader
talks about that,
544
00:32:20,806 --> 00:32:23,474
he still can't believe
the cops lied to him.
545
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,153
He got a degree
in administration of justice,
546
00:32:27,238 --> 00:32:28,896
and he would know
547
00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:31,149
that interrogators
use lies all the time
548
00:32:31,233 --> 00:32:34,077
because they're trying
to catch the bad guys.
549
00:32:34,161 --> 00:32:40,324
So there's an odd child-like
naivety at play here.
550
00:32:40,409 --> 00:32:43,586
"How could you have ever
betrayed me like that?"
551
00:32:43,746 --> 00:32:47,498
- Dennis even felt, you know,
that since he wore a badge
552
00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:50,677
and a uniform that we were
kind of in the same group,
553
00:32:50,761 --> 00:32:54,514
that we were all in the
law enforcement, that world.
554
00:32:54,598 --> 00:32:58,351
- Why did you finally confess
during the interrogation?
555
00:33:09,772 --> 00:33:12,190
- He cooperated
on all the cases,
556
00:33:12,274 --> 00:33:15,201
including the two that
the county detectives had,
557
00:33:15,286 --> 00:33:18,196
which were the Dolores Davis
and Marine Hedge,
558
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,949
who were disposed of in their
territory, their jurisdiction.
559
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:25,119
- For decades, it's been
speculated BTK was responsible
560
00:33:25,204 --> 00:33:27,047
for more murders,
561
00:33:27,131 --> 00:33:29,299
the 1991 murder of Dolores Davis
562
00:33:29,383 --> 00:33:32,293
and the 1985 murder
of Marine Hedge.
563
00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:34,212
[uneasy music]
564
00:33:34,296 --> 00:33:35,630
- When Dennis Rader was asked
565
00:33:35,714 --> 00:33:37,557
about the possibility
of his family
566
00:33:37,641 --> 00:33:39,809
knowing that he was BTK,
567
00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:43,721
he did not feel
that they ever had a clue.
568
00:33:43,806 --> 00:33:47,233
- On the day that Dennis Rader
was arrested,
569
00:33:47,318 --> 00:33:50,478
Detective Kelly Otis and
myself talked with his wife.
570
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:55,325
She was, of course in shock,
in complete denial,
571
00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:57,318
complete denial.
She said, "No, no, no."
572
00:33:57,402 --> 00:33:59,403
She said, "You've made
a horrible mistake."
573
00:33:59,488 --> 00:34:03,074
She was not going
to believe this.
574
00:34:03,158 --> 00:34:05,168
Although she was putting
on a brave face, you know,
575
00:34:05,252 --> 00:34:06,494
that she had to be--
576
00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:08,329
Her mind had to be
just whirling,
577
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:11,332
and wondering, and worrying,
578
00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,501
and thinking back
over their marriage--
579
00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:16,262
"Is this a possibility?"
580
00:34:34,189 --> 00:34:40,695
- He was manipulative enough
to keep them in the dark.
581
00:34:40,779 --> 00:34:43,039
As much as--
I'd say sick to my stomach,
582
00:34:43,198 --> 00:34:45,875
I was sick to my heart.
583
00:34:46,034 --> 00:34:53,291
I don't know that the Dennis
that I thought I knew exists.
584
00:34:53,375 --> 00:34:55,385
- I did interview his son.
585
00:34:55,469 --> 00:34:57,962
He said, "We lived the perfect
'Leave It To Beaver' Life.'"
586
00:34:58,055 --> 00:34:59,547
He said, "We went on vacations.
587
00:34:59,631 --> 00:35:01,632
Dad was involved in our sports,
588
00:35:01,717 --> 00:35:04,302
and our activities
and the church.
589
00:35:04,386 --> 00:35:08,222
We had a great time at home."
He said "There's nothing."
590
00:35:08,307 --> 00:35:11,726
But the day he was arrested
is basically the day
591
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:15,572
he will mark forever
as the day he died.
592
00:35:15,731 --> 00:35:17,815
- He was like my best friend
that I walked the dog with,
593
00:35:17,908 --> 00:35:20,067
and I was very close to him.
594
00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:21,744
And so when the FBI showed up
at my door, you know,
595
00:35:21,904 --> 00:35:24,655
February of 2005,
596
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:26,749
like, I told them
they had the wrong guy.
597
00:35:26,909 --> 00:35:30,837
I tried to alibi him, and I
just fell into physical shock.
598
00:35:30,996 --> 00:35:33,339
My whole world
just fell out under me.
599
00:35:35,009 --> 00:35:38,511
- When you were arrested,
did it occur to you
600
00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:40,588
that people
who looked up to you,
601
00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:42,849
how they were going
to feel about that?
602
00:36:03,779 --> 00:36:06,873
- He never thought
he'd be caught,
603
00:36:06,957 --> 00:36:10,543
so he really didn't think about
what it would be like for them
604
00:36:10,628 --> 00:36:12,378
to find out their father
605
00:36:12,463 --> 00:36:15,882
or their husband
was a serial killer.
606
00:36:15,966 --> 00:36:20,553
So if you consider that love
is being able to
607
00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:24,298
think about what benefits
the loved one,
608
00:36:24,383 --> 00:36:25,808
then you would say Rader's love,
609
00:36:25,893 --> 00:36:29,229
whatever it means,
does not run very deep.
610
00:36:29,313 --> 00:36:32,390
- Today is a very historic day.
611
00:36:32,474 --> 00:36:36,736
The bottom line--
BTK is arrested.
612
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:41,482
[crowd cheering]
613
00:36:41,566 --> 00:36:44,235
- The day Dennis Rader
was arrested,
614
00:36:44,319 --> 00:36:47,071
I'm in a shopping center.
I hadn't gone into work yet.
615
00:36:47,164 --> 00:36:49,666
My boss calls, and he goes,
616
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:51,918
"We're almost positive
BTK has been caught.
617
00:36:52,002 --> 00:36:54,837
You need to
get into work right away."
618
00:36:54,997 --> 00:37:00,584
No lie, the whole room,
619
00:37:00,669 --> 00:37:03,587
the whole shopping center
started spinning.
620
00:37:03,672 --> 00:37:07,508
The blood rushed from my head
down to my toes,
621
00:37:07,601 --> 00:37:10,186
and I sat down and said,
"I'm going to faint."
622
00:37:10,345 --> 00:37:12,438
And then I started crying.
623
00:37:12,523 --> 00:37:15,108
I just cried
and cried and cried,
624
00:37:15,192 --> 00:37:20,021
and I think I had much
the same reaction
625
00:37:20,105 --> 00:37:22,615
as a lot of women
in Wichita had,
626
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:27,245
and that was such
a sense of relief.
627
00:37:28,706 --> 00:37:31,365
- Glad they caught
the son of a bitch.
628
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:34,794
Now my mom can rest in peace.
629
00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:04,148
[dark music]
630
00:38:04,232 --> 00:38:09,162
- It was very, very tense time.
631
00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:12,498
I didn't know how to feel.
I wanted revenge.
632
00:38:12,583 --> 00:38:15,326
I wanted
to get my hands on this guy.
633
00:38:15,419 --> 00:38:18,629
[intense musical buildup]
634
00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:26,346
- Rader tells us he had most of
635
00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:29,173
what he called
the mother lode of evidence
636
00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:30,674
in a two-drawer file cabinet
637
00:38:30,759 --> 00:38:34,020
located in his compliance
office at Park City.
638
00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:36,597
When we were there,
it was unlocked.
639
00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:39,350
There was a key to lock it up
on top, but it wasn't locked.
640
00:38:39,434 --> 00:38:40,684
So he was pretty comfortable,
I guess,
641
00:38:40,769 --> 00:38:42,528
that it was safe there.
642
00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:45,281
He had everything categorized,
indexed,
643
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,367
and they were in order,
644
00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:49,944
kept all the originals
of any correspondence,
645
00:38:50,037 --> 00:38:52,363
of all the artifacts
that he was collecting.
646
00:38:52,447 --> 00:38:55,282
He would mark them
with dates and times.
647
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:58,953
The level of organization
was remarkable.
648
00:38:59,046 --> 00:39:01,872
♪ ♪
649
00:39:01,957 --> 00:39:03,883
- At this time,
we're going to ask
650
00:39:03,967 --> 00:39:06,544
how do you plead
to these ten counts?
651
00:39:06,628 --> 00:39:07,962
- Guilty.
- All right.
652
00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,631
Are you pleading guilty
because you are guilty?
653
00:39:10,715 --> 00:39:12,892
- Yes, sir.
- All right.
654
00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:17,063
Mr. Rader, I need to find out
more information.
655
00:39:17,222 --> 00:39:21,142
- Well, I mean,
I strangled Mrs. Otero.
656
00:39:21,226 --> 00:39:26,322
- He was sentenced to ten
consecutive life sentences.
657
00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:29,400
The death penalty for his case
was not on the books,
658
00:39:29,484 --> 00:39:31,986
and so we really
never had a discussion
659
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,488
about the death penalty
being possible.
660
00:39:34,581 --> 00:39:35,915
He was fully aware
661
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:39,710
that he was never going
to see freedom again.
662
00:39:41,171 --> 00:39:44,757
- I think that we in the media
and in the community
663
00:39:44,842 --> 00:39:49,262
really fully understood
the damage he had done
664
00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:51,589
when you could feel
that sense of relief
665
00:39:51,673 --> 00:39:54,183
that he was off
the street forever.
666
00:39:54,342 --> 00:39:57,595
- In the courtroom, families
of some of BTK's victims
667
00:39:57,688 --> 00:39:59,597
got their first real look
668
00:39:59,681 --> 00:40:02,433
at the man police believe
killed their loved ones.
669
00:40:02,517 --> 00:40:04,435
- This changed
these young people's lives
670
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,112
30, 25 years ago
671
00:40:06,271 --> 00:40:08,614
and they've lived
with that ever since.
672
00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,608
- The criminal actions
of Dennis Rader
673
00:40:10,692 --> 00:40:12,776
caused irreparable damage
674
00:40:12,861 --> 00:40:14,704
to the very fabric
of my blood family.
675
00:40:14,788 --> 00:40:17,957
He caused me
to challenge my faith,
676
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:20,877
changed my future forever,
677
00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:22,536
yet I have never allowed
his actions
678
00:40:22,621 --> 00:40:25,956
to send me to the dark side.
679
00:40:26,041 --> 00:40:29,293
- Nancy Fox is my sister.
680
00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:31,888
Nancy's death
is like a deep wound
681
00:40:32,047 --> 00:40:34,140
that will never, ever heal.
682
00:40:34,224 --> 00:40:37,635
- I'd just like for him
to suffer
683
00:40:37,728 --> 00:40:39,896
for the rest of his life.
684
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:43,557
- I'm Jeffrey Davis,
son of Dolores Davis.
685
00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:47,737
For the last 5,326 days,
I have wondered
686
00:40:47,821 --> 00:40:49,563
what it would be like
to confront
687
00:40:49,648 --> 00:40:53,993
the walking cesspool that took
my mother's precious life.
688
00:40:54,077 --> 00:41:00,741
Not only were we united
as a family of survivors,
689
00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:03,160
we were kind of representative
690
00:41:03,245 --> 00:41:06,580
of the family of citizens
of the community
691
00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:11,669
who had literally
lived in terror at times.
692
00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:15,014
You have to live
with the cold reality
693
00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:18,935
that while all of us here
will overcome your depravity,
694
00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,011
you have now lost everything,
695
00:41:21,096 --> 00:41:23,606
and you will forever
remain nothing.
696
00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:28,269
- His wife requested
an emergency divorce,
697
00:41:28,353 --> 00:41:31,105
and I think it's probably the
quickest divorce in history.
698
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:33,023
It was probably
less than five minutes.
699
00:41:33,108 --> 00:41:35,451
I don't think
she's ever looked back.
700
00:41:35,536 --> 00:41:39,947
I don't think she enjoys
being in the public.
701
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,199
She's never been interviewed.
702
00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:46,120
- Paula and the kids
became Dennis' victims.
703
00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:50,216
I can't imagine the price
that they paid.
704
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:56,297
My heart--I can't imagine.
705
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:57,640
♪ ♪
706
00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:00,467
- This is now Dennis Rader,
707
00:42:00,552 --> 00:42:04,305
no longer in a courtroom suit
but a prison uniform.
708
00:42:04,398 --> 00:42:05,973
This is likely the last time
709
00:42:06,057 --> 00:42:09,860
you'll ever see
the serial killer again.
710
00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:29,171
- One of the things
I suspected about Rader,
711
00:42:29,256 --> 00:42:31,498
there were things different
about him
712
00:42:31,583 --> 00:42:36,253
than the typical things
we know about serial killers--
713
00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:38,672
The fact that
he was a family man,
714
00:42:38,757 --> 00:42:40,600
had a full-time job.
715
00:42:40,684 --> 00:42:44,678
He seemed to be a regular guy
with an ordinary childhood.
716
00:42:44,763 --> 00:42:50,851
It impressed upon me the
importance of studying people
717
00:42:50,944 --> 00:42:55,531
who don't fit the mold,
who break the stereotypes.
718
00:42:55,616 --> 00:43:00,536
We need to be very clear
that there are no formulas
719
00:43:00,695 --> 00:43:04,457
because I think had we been
like that back then,
720
00:43:04,541 --> 00:43:07,293
Rader would have
been caught sooner.
721
00:43:08,536 --> 00:43:10,037
I think it's an irony
722
00:43:10,121 --> 00:43:13,382
that everything
about Rader is control,
723
00:43:13,541 --> 00:43:18,212
and yet he's in
a prison cell 24-7
724
00:43:18,305 --> 00:43:20,556
with guards deciding
when he gets his meds
725
00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:24,393
and his food and he gets
to have a shower, et cetera.
726
00:43:24,478 --> 00:43:28,055
He's totally under our control,
727
00:43:28,148 --> 00:43:31,809
and it's important that we
learn from people like Rader
728
00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:33,977
by demystifying them,
729
00:43:34,062 --> 00:43:38,482
decoding them,
and unmasking them.
730
00:43:38,575 --> 00:43:42,319
Even though my work
with Rader is finished,
731
00:43:42,404 --> 00:43:44,655
my research of extreme offenders
732
00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:47,833
and how to prevent them
continues.
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