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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,070 --> 00:00:06,670 - ? 2 00:00:08,770 --> 00:00:10,970 - MAN: Oh my god, that's it, that's it. 3 00:00:10,980 --> 00:00:13,080 Okay, so I'm gonna turn the camera around. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,110 Ready? 5 00:00:14,110 --> 00:00:15,810 There you go. There you go, kids. 6 00:00:18,020 --> 00:00:20,320 - MALE NARRATOR: Once, it was just a quaint home 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,960 in a quiet town. 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,200 - This house would be one of the most desirable places to live 9 00:00:25,190 --> 00:00:26,860 in all of Amityville. 10 00:00:26,860 --> 00:00:29,400 - NARRATOR: But then, everything changed. 11 00:00:36,740 --> 00:00:39,610 - Six people were just slaughtered in their sleep. 12 00:00:39,610 --> 00:00:42,050 - Mother and father and four children. 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,010 - It was very, very frightening. 14 00:00:45,010 --> 00:00:48,150 - NARRATOR: And that was just the beginning. 15 00:00:48,150 --> 00:00:50,850 - And he said, "The devil made me do it." 16 00:00:50,850 --> 00:00:52,850 - You've got the flies around the window. 17 00:00:52,850 --> 00:00:55,520 You have the slime oozing from the walls. 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Black substances that are coming up in the sinks and the toilets. 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,000 - It's like a page from a Stephen King novel. 20 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:06,240 - NARRATOR: Nearly five decades later, 21 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:11,870 America's greatest ghost story is back in the headlines. 22 00:01:11,870 --> 00:01:14,010 - Breaking news in the true crime and horror community. 23 00:01:14,010 --> 00:01:18,720 - The Amityville Horror killer died in prison at the age of 69. 24 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:21,010 - NARRATOR: Fueling a new generation to decipher 25 00:01:21,010 --> 00:01:24,880 what really happened at 112 Ocean Avenue. 26 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,450 - You have the true crime. You have the paranormal. 27 00:01:26,450 --> 00:01:27,790 You have the mystery. 28 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:33,220 - What is it that caused this? How did we get here? 29 00:01:33,230 --> 00:01:37,170 - NARRATOR: This is "Famously Haunted: Amityville." 30 00:01:39,370 --> 00:01:48,950 - ? 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,060 - I'm Beckie-Anne Galentine. 32 00:01:58,050 --> 00:02:01,950 I'm a mortician during the day and a ghost hunter at night. 33 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:04,220 On social media, I am known as the girl 34 00:02:04,220 --> 00:02:07,020 that goes to the spooky locations. 35 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:09,270 Paranormal, haunted locations, haunted overnights, 36 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:13,300 and just testing the limits of how far I can go with it. 37 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:16,470 I actually have the top post on TikTok for Amityville. 38 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:19,380 You know that saying, if your friends jumped off a bridge, 39 00:02:19,370 --> 00:02:20,670 would you do it? 40 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:22,210 Well, my TikTok followers told me 41 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:23,980 to go the Amityville Horror house 42 00:02:23,980 --> 00:02:26,920 where six people were murdered in 1974, and I did. 43 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:31,550 - NARRATOR: But the town of Amityville doesn't make finding 44 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:33,490 the iconic house easy. 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,220 - BECKIE-ANN: So, when I looked it up on Google Maps, 46 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:41,230 it is blurred out. 47 00:02:41,230 --> 00:02:42,900 Not only is that house blurred out, 48 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:45,200 but several neighboring houses are. 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,870 They really don't want you to figure out what's going on here. 50 00:02:48,870 --> 00:02:51,910 - When you arrive outside the house now, 51 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,140 the trademark windows have been removed. 52 00:02:54,140 --> 00:02:56,940 They've done all they can to try to make it blend in 53 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:59,410 and not look like the Amityville house. 54 00:02:59,410 --> 00:03:00,950 - "Meeting" the house for the first time 55 00:03:00,950 --> 00:03:02,490 is like meeting a celebrity. 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,320 You feel like you've seen it. 57 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,390 It's a familiar face. 58 00:03:06,390 --> 00:03:09,030 You feel, like, this pit in your stomach, like this is the house. 59 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:10,590 This is the cover from the movie. 60 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,090 This is the cover from the book. 61 00:03:12,090 --> 00:03:13,690 This is the house that I saw 62 00:03:13,690 --> 00:03:17,030 in a newspaper clipping from the '70s. 63 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:21,600 - NARRATOR: But this house holds terrible secrets. 64 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,270 - You have the true crime. You have the paranormal. 65 00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:25,810 You have the mystery surrounding why it happened, 66 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,940 because nobody still knows. 67 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:29,910 There's so many questions still surrounding this case. 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,880 - That's the fascinating part about all of this. 69 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,150 The mystery just lives on. What happened? 70 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:39,950 - NARRATOR: One thing that's certain 71 00:03:39,950 --> 00:03:42,990 is where the story begins. 72 00:03:42,990 --> 00:03:48,230 The year is 1974, and the town is Amityville, New York. 73 00:03:56,770 --> 00:04:00,310 - So this house with the flags is the house that I grew up in. 74 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,650 - NARRATOR: Back then, Geralyn Bozza 75 00:04:08,650 --> 00:04:10,290 lives just a few doors down 76 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,680 from the infamous Amityville Horror house. 77 00:04:13,690 --> 00:04:18,660 At that time, it's only known as the home of the DeFeo family. 78 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:21,760 - We were friendly with the DeFeo family because there was 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,770 a connection between my parents, 80 00:04:26,770 --> 00:04:28,610 being that we were all from Brooklyn. 81 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:33,040 - RIC: You had the father, Big Ronnie. 82 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,840 The mother, Louise. 83 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:40,140 Then you had Dawn DeFeo, Allison DeFeo, 84 00:04:40,150 --> 00:04:44,960 Marc DeFeo, and John Matthew. 85 00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:48,690 Then you had the oldest child, Ronnie Jr. 86 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:52,130 His friends called him Butch. 87 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,820 - NARRATOR: The large Italian family 88 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:58,640 moves to the picturesque town from Brooklyn nine years earlier 89 00:04:58,630 --> 00:05:04,400 and hangs the sign "High Hopes" to symbolize their new start. 90 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,970 - The DeFeos, compared to the people in Amityville, 91 00:05:07,970 --> 00:05:10,510 especially the more upscale neighbors, 92 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:13,010 were a little rough around the edges. 93 00:05:13,010 --> 00:05:16,010 Some might call them uncouth, because-- 94 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:18,320 and I'm half Italian myself-- 95 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,290 Italians are loud, boisterous. 96 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Big Ronnie, as they called him, 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,530 was sort of like Archie Bunker on steroids. 98 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:31,570 He would yell at his wife. 99 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,330 There was one story that she was coming upstairs 100 00:05:34,330 --> 00:05:38,630 with the laundry basket and he knocked her down the stairs. 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,520 - NARRATOR: Some believe it was Big Ronnie's resentment of 102 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:49,680 the Amityville house that triggered his blind rage. 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,890 - The house was purchased by Louise Brigante DeFeo's father, 104 00:05:54,890 --> 00:05:56,860 Michael Brigante Sr. 105 00:05:56,860 --> 00:06:01,230 Her father just absolutely adored her. 106 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:03,870 Big Ronnie, who was working for his father-in-law, 107 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:07,230 and was dependent upon his father-in-law for the mortgage, 108 00:06:07,230 --> 00:06:11,670 I think there was probably that in-law friction. 109 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:12,870 - RIC: On the surface, 110 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:14,970 they looked like a successful family. 111 00:06:14,970 --> 00:06:19,880 But as you peel back the layers, you find that the systemic abuse 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,120 from the father was so severe. 113 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,860 - NARRATOR: But Big Ronnie's most volatile relationship 114 00:06:27,850 --> 00:06:31,590 is with his eldest son. 115 00:06:31,590 --> 00:06:34,730 - MARVIN: Ronnie DeFeo, also known as Butch, 116 00:06:34,730 --> 00:06:37,100 was a troubled young man. 117 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:41,300 At the age of 17, he was into heroin, LSD. 118 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:44,140 He drank. He was expelled from school. 119 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:46,710 His parents sent him to a psychiatrist. 120 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:48,250 It still didn't help. 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,280 He was troubled. He was volatile. 122 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,920 - LAURA: As far as Ronnie Sr. 123 00:06:54,910 --> 00:06:59,280 and Butch, his son, went, 124 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:02,050 they had a very contentious relationship. 125 00:07:02,050 --> 00:07:06,290 And that bothered the younger DeFeo siblings. 126 00:07:06,290 --> 00:07:08,830 - Certainly the DeFeos were a dysfunctional family. 127 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:11,370 The situation between Big Ronnie and Little Ronnie's 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,630 just worsening and worsening over time. 129 00:07:14,630 --> 00:07:20,400 - Sometimes this would end up as real fisticuffs, bloodletting. 130 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:25,250 - One time, Ronnie Sr. thought Butch was talking back. 131 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,110 So he grabbed his son and continued to beat on him 132 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:29,780 until he was bloody. 133 00:07:34,690 --> 00:07:38,290 Of course, everyone's yelling at the father to stop. 134 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:40,130 - ALEXANDRA: So, there's a lot of psychological things 135 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:41,700 going on with that family. 136 00:07:41,690 --> 00:07:44,130 A lot of negative, uh, things happening with them, 137 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:46,930 which invokes negativity. 138 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:49,330 You just can't see it, but it's there. 139 00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:57,010 - NARRATOR: Then, on November 13, 1974, 140 00:07:57,010 --> 00:08:01,350 the evil within the DeFeo family home spills into the public eye. 141 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,420 - The policeman was coming out the front door. 142 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:11,090 And I said, "Excuse me, is there something wrong? 143 00:08:11,090 --> 00:08:12,590 My mother sent me down." 144 00:08:12,590 --> 00:08:16,430 He said, "You need to go get your mother right now." 145 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:18,400 I-- 146 00:08:24,140 --> 00:08:28,510 [sobs] "They're all dead." 147 00:08:32,180 --> 00:08:34,420 So I ran down the street. 148 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,720 It was terrible. 149 00:08:41,290 --> 00:08:43,190 It was terrible. 150 00:08:51,260 --> 00:08:53,330 - It's crazy, but we are here. 151 00:08:53,330 --> 00:08:56,000 It's behind me. It's crazy. 152 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,300 Like, isn't it insane? [laughs] 153 00:09:00,370 --> 00:09:03,610 - NARRATOR: It's 6:30 PM in Amityville, New York 154 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:08,250 on the night of November 13, 1974. 155 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:10,190 And what happens in this house 156 00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:15,250 is about to change the town forever. 157 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:18,650 - LAURA: Ronnie DeFeo Jr. went down to Henry's Bar 158 00:09:18,660 --> 00:09:21,230 and burst into the bar and says, help, help! 159 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:23,170 You know, somebody's-- something's wrong. 160 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,430 Somebody's killed my family. 161 00:09:26,430 --> 00:09:28,430 - TIM: It didn't take long for an officer to respond. 162 00:09:28,430 --> 00:09:29,970 There was actually an officer right down the street. 163 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:31,740 And as soon as he arrived, 164 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:33,440 the neighbors were all looking out their windows, 165 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,810 wondering what's going on. 166 00:09:36,540 --> 00:09:39,580 - NARRATOR: Inside this beautiful waterfront home, 167 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:44,820 police comb through a horrific crime scene. 168 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:47,290 Ronald DeFeo Sr. 169 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:50,390 His wife, Louise. 170 00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:55,160 Teenage daughters Dawn and Allison. 171 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,300 And sons Marc and John Mathew. 172 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:02,370 All shot and killed in their beds. 173 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:05,510 - Allison and Dawn's shootings 174 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:08,440 were particularly gory and gruesome. 175 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,740 Not only were they young women, 176 00:10:10,740 --> 00:10:15,250 they were shot in the head so the wounds were big. 177 00:10:15,250 --> 00:10:19,490 And that went through to the walls. 178 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,650 - Investigators do believe that John Matthew, 179 00:10:22,650 --> 00:10:26,920 who was the youngest at nine, did live a little bit longer 180 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:29,400 after the gunshot. 181 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:33,060 They believed he was paralyzed, but he was--of course, 182 00:10:33,070 --> 00:10:36,810 pronounced dead at the scene, the whole family was. 183 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,570 - Six people died. 184 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:41,540 And this was something--this was a crime that was unheard of. 185 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:50,080 - NARRATOR: Only 23-year-old Ronnie "Butch" DeFeo survives. 186 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,680 - Ronnie Defeo Jr. claimed that 187 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:55,450 he hadn't been home when this all went on. 188 00:10:55,450 --> 00:10:59,320 He came home at about 6:30 on November 13. 189 00:11:02,260 --> 00:11:05,930 Found his family all murdered in their beds. 190 00:11:05,930 --> 00:11:07,430 Someone went through there 191 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:10,000 and systematically killed each and every one of them 192 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,430 in a most brutal fashion. 193 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,680 I can't imagine what it must've been like 194 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,550 to be one of those neighbors in this small community 195 00:11:23,550 --> 00:11:25,490 and then to watch as 196 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,780 law enforcement is just converging on this house. 197 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:31,760 Uh, the media starts showing up. Flashbulbs going off. 198 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,100 Everybody angling to see what's going on. 199 00:11:34,090 --> 00:11:36,590 And then suddenly a silence falls over the crowd 200 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,240 as the body bags start being pulled from the house. 201 00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:40,970 And you can see in the archived photos 202 00:11:40,970 --> 00:11:43,810 that some of those body bags were very small 203 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,940 because they contained very small children. 204 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:50,380 - GERALYN: Remember, Amityville was the type of place 205 00:11:50,380 --> 00:11:51,980 where you didn't lock your doors. 206 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:57,350 So, you went from a very passive place to live 207 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:59,320 to a how could that happen. 208 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,490 I mean, it was just so huge. 209 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:08,730 I mean...a child--children. Why? 210 00:12:08,730 --> 00:12:12,130 Being that we were friendly with the DeFeo family, 211 00:12:12,130 --> 00:12:14,830 I can remember being afraid 212 00:12:14,830 --> 00:12:17,930 that whoever killed them was coming for us next. 213 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:20,180 I can remember sleeping with my sister, I think, 214 00:12:20,170 --> 00:12:22,110 for over a year. 215 00:12:22,110 --> 00:12:26,310 - Who would wanna kill this family of six people, 216 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:28,580 a mother and father, and four children? 217 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:31,550 It was sensational news. 218 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:35,790 It really tweaked the imagination and the horror 219 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:40,660 and--and the sadness of everyone who lived in the area. 220 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:42,030 - NARRATOR: But as police investigate 221 00:12:42,030 --> 00:12:44,000 the grisly crime scene, 222 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,510 the search for answers only leads to more questions. 223 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:51,900 - PATRICIA: There were no shell casings left behind. 224 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:55,600 And it seemed that nobody was awake or heard, which is, again, 225 00:12:55,610 --> 00:12:58,550 a big part of the mystery. Why didn't anybody wake up? 226 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:00,680 Why did the neighbors not hear any of this stuff? 227 00:13:02,610 --> 00:13:05,280 - One teenager in the neighborhood, 228 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,780 he was awakened by the sound 229 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:10,790 of the DeFeos' old English sheepdog, Shaggy, 230 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:13,590 barking at about 3:00, 3:15 in the morning. 231 00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:17,190 But why had nobody heard any shots? 232 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:22,570 - To not hear a gun go off 233 00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:25,440 six times of that caliber 234 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,780 when you were that close to this house 235 00:13:27,770 --> 00:13:30,340 is--is not believable at all. 236 00:13:30,340 --> 00:13:32,180 I do not understand how that happened. 237 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:36,050 You could stand in their--their front doorway 238 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:37,620 and throw a rock at their neighbor's house 239 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:39,050 and hit it through their window. 240 00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:45,330 - NARRATOR: Meanwhile, the crowd of onlookers grows 241 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,960 outside the stately colonial. 242 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,460 - I think they were just very sweet, very religious people, 243 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:55,360 very family minded people. 244 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:57,170 - Have you ruled out robbery as a motive? 245 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:59,610 - We have ruled out no motive because we have no idea what 246 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,770 the motive is at this time. 247 00:14:01,770 --> 00:14:04,070 - Amityville is a small, quiet community. 248 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,920 And any type of disruption like this is going to get 249 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:08,810 a lookie-loo standing outside the house. 250 00:14:08,810 --> 00:14:11,880 - One of the basic ironies about the DeFeos moving 251 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,250 from an apartment in Brooklyn to upscale Amityville 252 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:21,660 is it was supposed to symbolize upward mobility, 253 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:23,560 better times for the family. 254 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,830 They have the sign out there. 255 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:29,500 Named their home "High Hopes." 256 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:33,640 And that all came crashing down. 257 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,880 - TIM: The rumors are gonna start flying pretty quickly. 258 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:38,970 And one of the rumors that really took hold was this 259 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:41,050 could have been a mob hit of some kind. 260 00:14:41,050 --> 00:14:44,350 - RIC: The DeFeo family had connections to organized crime 261 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:47,020 on both sides, maternal and paternal. 262 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:50,460 So, the Colombo and Genovese families were connected, uh, 263 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:52,800 to the DeFeos. 264 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:55,960 - TIM: Louise DeFeo was part of the Brigante family, 265 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,360 that they were associated with the mafia in New York City. 266 00:15:00,370 --> 00:15:01,940 - LAURA: Ronnie DeFeo Sr., 267 00:15:01,930 --> 00:15:04,900 he was working for his father-in-law, 268 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:08,800 Michael Brigante Sr., at the Buick dealership. 269 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:12,250 - RIC: The car dealership was a front for the mob. 270 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,180 Things happened there such as low-level crime, 271 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:21,220 like chopping cars, all the way up to money laundering. 272 00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:25,560 Big Ronnie Sr. was responsible for keeping tabs of the ledgers 273 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,230 for the family business, if you will. 274 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:29,930 The true ledgers. 275 00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:33,500 - LAURA: There were rumors that Big Ronnie, 276 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:37,470 that he was somehow skimming off the top 277 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:40,170 at the Buick dealership. 278 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:44,210 You look in the '70s, all the New York newspapers 279 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:47,810 were filled with mob killings. 280 00:15:47,810 --> 00:15:51,680 The type of things that were ripped out of "The Godfather." 281 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,650 - You know, was it a mob hit? I don't know. 282 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:57,690 - [bell ringing] 283 00:15:57,690 --> 00:15:59,490 - NARRATOR: But not everyone's convinced 284 00:15:59,490 --> 00:16:02,060 the mob is responsible. 285 00:16:02,060 --> 00:16:04,700 - MARVIN: There had been an unwritten law within 286 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,500 the families of not attacking children. 287 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,000 So that made it a little bizarre 288 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,040 the thought that it might have been a mob hit. 289 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,440 - TIM: For Amityville, it's not a place where a lot of crime 290 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,980 was happening in those days. 291 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:20,880 They probably had, you know, two police officers and a stop sign. 292 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,280 They had to call in outside police from Suffolk County 293 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,020 in order to help assist in this investigation because 294 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:30,990 if you've never even processed one murder, let alone six, 295 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:32,490 how are you gonna be able to handle something 296 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:35,460 of this magnitude on your own? 297 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:37,000 - Ronald is being safeguarded 298 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,400 by the Suffolk County Police at this time. 299 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,300 - Why safeguarded? - Why? 300 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:43,800 Because there's six members of the family dead 301 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,500 and we don't know why. 302 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:47,070 And he's the sole remaining member. 303 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:51,910 - TIM: When you consider that an entire family was taken out, 304 00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:53,240 it only becomes logical to think 305 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,180 that the surviving member might be a target. 306 00:16:56,180 --> 00:16:59,250 So, Ronnie was taken into protective custody just in case 307 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:04,020 it was a mob hit and that he might still be in danger. 308 00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:07,390 - NARRATOR: When police question 23-year-old Butch DeFeo, 309 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:11,430 he echoes the mob theory. 310 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:13,030 - MARVIN: As police question him, 311 00:17:13,030 --> 00:17:16,370 he suggested that his parents and his four siblings 312 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:19,110 were victims of a mob hitman. 313 00:17:19,100 --> 00:17:23,870 - LAURA: He tried to claim that the infamous mobster Lou Fellini 314 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,280 did it, but he had an airtight alibi. 315 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,450 He wasn't even in the state at the time. 316 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:32,290 So, cross that one off the list. 317 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,320 - NARRATOR: Investigators are beginning to believe 318 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:39,260 the real suspect is staring them right in the face. 319 00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:40,600 - Everyone pointing, 320 00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:43,760 could it have been the only surviving son? 321 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,330 - LAURA: But what was the motive? 322 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:47,270 Why did he want to do this? 323 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:51,570 What the detectives seemed to come to terms with 324 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:53,270 as for a motive was money. 325 00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:58,850 - NARRATOR: They soon discover Big Ronnie had a $200,000 326 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,940 life insurance policy. 327 00:18:01,950 --> 00:18:05,750 - Besides this, there were talks about parents having 328 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:11,090 100,000 or $200,000 in cash in the house. 329 00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:15,030 - NARRATOR: The kind of money Butch could use 330 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:17,400 to make a new life for himself 331 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,170 far away from the reputation he'd built in Amityville. 332 00:18:23,170 --> 00:18:26,070 - Ronnie, he was a difficult kid growing up. 333 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:27,770 I think he got into a lot of bad things, 334 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:29,540 a lot of bad circles. 335 00:18:29,540 --> 00:18:32,540 - To kind of deal with him being kicked out of school, 336 00:18:32,540 --> 00:18:35,310 they offer him a job at the dealership in the family. 337 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:39,580 And he started working as a mechanic there. 338 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:41,220 - He had a job as a gofer. 339 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:44,020 He was an errand boy for his grandfather. 340 00:18:44,020 --> 00:18:45,390 So he made some money, 341 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,990 plus his father would give him an allowance, 342 00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:50,490 sometimes several hundred dollars a week. 343 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:54,800 He had a stereo system. He had guns in the house. 344 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,040 He had a car. He had a boat. 345 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,810 He had a lot of spending money. 346 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,970 And yet that wasn't enough for Butch. 347 00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:05,850 - NARRATOR: Armed with this information, 348 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,340 investigators sit down with DeFeo again. 349 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:14,820 This time, the surviving son completely changes his story. 350 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,660 - Under intense questioning, 351 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:18,820 Ron finally confessed to the killings. 352 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,530 And he said, quote, "Once it started, I couldn't stop. 353 00:19:26,530 --> 00:19:27,500 It was that fast." 354 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,670 - Ronnie was trying to say, oh, his memory was foggy. 355 00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:35,010 He didn't remember anything. 356 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:37,350 But he told them, well, I dumped the rifle here. 357 00:19:37,340 --> 00:19:40,780 I dumped my bloody clothes down the sewer drain. 358 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:42,920 That all turned out to be true, 359 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:45,810 because they found it exactly where he said he put it. 360 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:52,960 - TIM: Now the investigation turns its focus solely on him. 361 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,230 Ronnie is arrested for the murders. 362 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,830 - You couldn't think that Butch would've done that. 363 00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:04,030 I guess it was an explosion 364 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,440 of whatever was going on in his mind. 365 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,910 I don't know what happened. 366 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:13,150 - LAURA: He had acknowledged that he had taken drugs, 367 00:20:13,140 --> 00:20:15,810 had alcohol that night. 368 00:20:15,810 --> 00:20:17,580 - NARRATOR: And the more investigators learn about 369 00:20:17,580 --> 00:20:19,780 the DeFeo family dynamics, 370 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:25,720 the more they believe Ronnie was searching for his escape. 371 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,390 - LAURA: He wanted to be an alpha male. 372 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:32,340 He would fight with his brothers and sisters. 373 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:34,000 He had to share a bathroom with the brothers. 374 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,070 And he was saying his two brothers were little pigs 375 00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:37,940 because they didn't clean up after themselves. 376 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:41,480 He didn't like his sisters' choice in music. 377 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:46,380 So there was tension building in the house. 378 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:49,550 - NARRATOR: Many believe it's this tension that led Butch 379 00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:52,190 to finally snap. 380 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,190 - BECKIE-ANN: The night of the murders, 381 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:01,190 it was 3:15 in the morning. 382 00:21:01,190 --> 00:21:04,060 And Butch was sitting in the basement. 383 00:21:04,060 --> 00:21:06,400 And he had gone upstairs. 384 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,800 He used two shots to kill each of his parents. 385 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,070 And then he killed all of his siblings. 386 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,980 - NARRATOR: One year later, 387 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:23,880 Ronnie DeFeo's six-count murder trial 388 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,250 begins on October 14, 1975. 389 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:31,720 At first, he admits to the killings. 390 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,290 - WILLIAM: The closest Ronnie ever, uh, 391 00:21:34,290 --> 00:21:37,290 explained as to why he did it, is because at that time, 392 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,500 he felt that they were conspiring against him. 393 00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:45,330 - NARRATOR: But then, an even more terrifying story emerges. 394 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,880 - MARVIN: It came out that Ronnie heard voices 395 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:51,340 telling him to kill. 396 00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:55,950 There was a--a shadowy figure following him through the house. 397 00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:58,090 He said it was the devil in the house 398 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,180 that was at the root of the murders. 399 00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:03,290 - LAURA: Ronnie Jr. was fueled by drugs. 400 00:22:03,290 --> 00:22:05,560 And a lot of people who are involved in the paranormal 401 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,930 will tell you that in itself can be a deadly combination. 402 00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:11,200 Once you start taking drugs, alcohol, 403 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,410 and you've got a sort of demented personality that can 404 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,140 then go full blown into opening the doors for... 405 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:21,710 demonic possession. 406 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:25,450 - Ronnie was taken over by the spirit 407 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,480 that had him do these horrible things. 408 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:33,320 Something, someone is taking over him and his body. 409 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,260 - PATRICIA: A part of me wants to believe that there is 410 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:39,720 some sort of entity telling somebody to do these things, 411 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,860 whether you call that evil or whatever you call it, 412 00:22:42,860 --> 00:22:45,130 because we don't wanna believe that somebody's capable of 413 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:47,070 doing this to their whole family. 414 00:22:48,370 --> 00:22:53,340 - NARRATOR: Soon, Butch's lawyer embraces his client's claims. 415 00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:57,340 - LAURA: William Weber comes up with what was very unusual 416 00:22:57,340 --> 00:23:00,040 and certainly very rare at the time: 417 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,310 the devil made me do it defense. 418 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,990 - NARRATOR: In other words, William Weber claims his client 419 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:10,430 is legally insane. 420 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:13,120 - Whenever I have a client who tells me something 421 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:17,390 that doesn't register as normal or sane, 422 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,240 um, one of the things I have to ask myself is, 423 00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:24,930 is this person competent to aid in their own defense? 424 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:27,080 So the first thing you would wanna do-- 425 00:23:27,070 --> 00:23:29,010 or I would do, anyway-- 426 00:23:29,010 --> 00:23:31,150 is I would have my client evaluated by 427 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:33,780 a good expert. 428 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:38,320 - NARRATOR: Weber consults a psychiatrist to examine DeFeo. 429 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,090 He testifies Butch does in fact believe he heard voices 430 00:23:42,090 --> 00:23:45,860 telling him to shoot his family. 431 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:47,430 - DANIEL: On the defense side, 432 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:50,030 you're trying to convince the jury that the person is insane 433 00:23:50,030 --> 00:23:51,300 at the time of the crimes 434 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:54,370 and did not have control of themselves. 435 00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:57,070 Weber, in direct examination of his client, 436 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:59,710 shows a picture of his deceased mother 437 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,440 lying there on the bed surrounded by blood and says, 438 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,210 hey, is this--is this your mom? 439 00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:09,210 And DeFeo says, I've never seen that person in my life. 440 00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:12,180 Weber repeats this with a picture of his father. 441 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:15,320 He denies knowing who that was. 442 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,620 From the prosecution's side, you show that whatever mental defect 443 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:22,390 the person is suffering from, it's not significant enough 444 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:24,360 to excuse the behavior. 445 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,230 He clearly thought out what he was doing shortly 446 00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:29,600 after committing these murders. 447 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,770 He collected the shell casings, the rifle. 448 00:24:32,770 --> 00:24:35,570 And then he disposed of them in the sewer system. 449 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,140 - NARRATOR: The trial lasts over a month. 450 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:43,080 But after just two days of deliberations, 451 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,080 the jury rejects DeFeo's devil defense. 452 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,850 - TIM: The evidence all pointed to the fact that Ronnie DeFeo 453 00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:51,220 killed his family. 454 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:53,660 The guy who is not only guilty of this, 455 00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:56,400 but is trying to weasel his way out of being convicted for it. 456 00:24:56,390 --> 00:25:00,530 And it's no surprise that they found him guilty. 457 00:25:00,530 --> 00:25:04,070 - NARRATOR: DeFeo is given six consecutive sentences 458 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:06,370 of 25 years to life. 459 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:11,380 Two weeks after Butch's conviction, 460 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:13,850 he begins his sentence in New York State's 461 00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:16,650 Sullivan Correctional Facility. 462 00:25:16,650 --> 00:25:18,650 - People thought that once Ronnie DeFeo was convicted 463 00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:20,890 of those murders, the story would end. 464 00:25:22,050 --> 00:25:24,720 They had no idea that that was only the actual beginning 465 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,160 of the Amityville case. 466 00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:30,930 - BRYAN: The sheer evil that would have to be present for 467 00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:36,000 a family member to kill six other family members, 468 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,270 it's unthinkable. 469 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:40,910 That could only be precipitated by evil. 470 00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:43,110 - It has been debated many times on whether or not 471 00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:45,510 this Amityville home is actually haunted. 472 00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:47,750 - Many people believe that the spirits in this house 473 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:49,420 possessed him to do it. 474 00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:51,280 - The strange thing is, all members of the family that 475 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,820 had been shot were found lying face down in their beds. 476 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:59,020 - MARVIN: I believe there still remain unanswered questions 477 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:03,120 about the murders and what really happened in that house 478 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:05,600 the night he killed his entire family. 479 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:10,600 Was there a shadowy force telling him to kill? 480 00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:17,880 - PATRICIA: People are going to side one way or the other 481 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,750 whether or not this is one of the most intense cases of 482 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:27,520 demonic possession or if this is simply a person disturbed. 483 00:26:32,890 --> 00:26:35,060 I think what initially happened in the house with the DeFeos 484 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:39,530 sparked some sort of... 485 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:42,430 presence that lingered in the house. 486 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:43,770 - NARRATOR: A presence that will 487 00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:47,340 drive the next family to move in crazy. 488 00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:52,110 - Y'all have probably heard of "Amityville Horror." 489 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:53,410 Did you know that it's a real case, 490 00:26:53,410 --> 00:26:55,310 and this house right here is said to be one 491 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:58,350 of the most evil locations on earth? 492 00:26:59,580 --> 00:27:02,150 - NARRATOR: Just weeks after Ronnie "Butch" DeFeo 493 00:27:02,150 --> 00:27:06,650 is given six life sentences for murdering his entire family 494 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:09,430 inside their Amityville home, 495 00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:12,770 a new family takes interest in the house. 496 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,830 - I described the house as "charming" the first time 497 00:27:14,830 --> 00:27:17,600 I saw it, 'cuz it's what I thought of it. 498 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,440 - NARRATOR: 30-year-old Kathy Lutz 499 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,340 and her 29-year-old husband, George, 500 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:25,410 have no idea of the brutal murders that happened here 501 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:29,580 when they arrive 112 Ocean Avenue... 502 00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:35,290 nor DeFeo's defense that demons made him do it. 503 00:27:35,290 --> 00:27:36,260 - GEORGE: [unintelligible] saying, 504 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:37,720 "Kathy, do you believe this?" 505 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,590 And she said, "No, I don't believe this." 506 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:43,260 - NARRATOR: They're just looking for a fresh start 507 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:45,260 for their blended family: 508 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:48,530 five-year-old Missy, seven-year-old Chris, 509 00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:51,570 and 10-year-old Daniel. 510 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:52,900 - TIM: They were looking for a place 511 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:54,670 that was bigger for their family now, 512 00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:56,770 but also George could run his business from. 513 00:27:56,770 --> 00:27:59,370 And this house was perfect for that. 514 00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:01,880 Not only did it have all the space that they needed, 515 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,250 but it had a boathouse for George's boat. 516 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,390 It had storage space for his motorcycles. 517 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,060 - BECKIE-ANNE: When they come into this home, they're, like, 518 00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:12,460 blown away by its beauty. 519 00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:14,130 And they know there has to be a catch. 520 00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:16,730 This is when the person showing the house says, you know, 521 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:20,200 this is the one where the murders had occurred. 522 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,670 And it wasn't a deal-breaker for them. 523 00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:25,710 - TIM: They decided that getting a property like this 524 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,900 for the bargain price at the time of $80,000 525 00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:31,780 was just something they couldn't pass up. 526 00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:35,680 - NARRATOR: The Lutzes even pay an extra $400 for the remainder 527 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,550 of the DeFeos' abandoned furniture. 528 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:39,950 - LAURA: A lot of people don't realize this, 529 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:42,290 when the police finished with the crime scene 530 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:48,030 after the murders, there was still a lot of physical residue. 531 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:52,170 Spots of blood on the-- the walls, brain matter, 532 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,960 holes in the wall with the bullets. 533 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 In fact, the ammunition that Butch had, 534 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,870 there were boxes of it up in his closet that the Lutz boys found 535 00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:02,040 and were playing with. 536 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,610 - [bell ringing] 537 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:06,650 - NARRATOR: But some believe the DeFeos' discarded things present 538 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,180 unforeseen evils for their new owners. 539 00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:11,780 - If an inanimate object 540 00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:15,720 happened to be in close proximity to a traumatic event 541 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,420 that was the catalyst for the evil 542 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:23,920 in the case of a murder like what happened there, 543 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:28,230 then it stands to reason that any object that was in the house 544 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:30,530 at the time that the murders took place could have absorbed 545 00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:33,670 that same energy. 546 00:29:33,670 --> 00:29:35,040 - BECKIE-ANNE: I know personally, 547 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,440 I wouldn't have bought any of that furniture, 548 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,840 especially the beds. 549 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,120 When something happens like that, 550 00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:46,380 I don't see any reason why someone would wanna, you know, 551 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:48,150 continue to linger and use those beds, 552 00:29:48,150 --> 00:29:50,490 especially for their children. 553 00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:52,530 - PATRICIA: They didn't get rid of anything. 554 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,760 And that's not to put blame on them at all. 555 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,700 I mean, yes, I have moved into places 556 00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:58,190 and bought the furniture in there, 557 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,570 but not where somebody was killed brutally in their sleep. 558 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:07,440 - NARRATOR: Given the home's bloody 559 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,180 and potentially demonic past, 560 00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:13,840 Kathy Lutz decides to have a priest bless the house 561 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,780 just in case. 562 00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:18,350 - BRYAN: A blessing would have been 563 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,320 a appropriate course of action. 564 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,790 Even somebody that is non-practicing, 565 00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:24,430 if they grew up with the Catholic faith, 566 00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:27,490 there's always going to be some of those old habits within them. 567 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,500 - NARRATOR: But this is no routine blessing. 568 00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:39,770 Four years later, in 1979, 569 00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:44,180 the priest finally reveals what happened in the house that day. 570 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:46,920 Only if he can remain anonymous. 571 00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:53,420 - I was blessing, um, the sewing room. 572 00:30:53,420 --> 00:30:55,690 It was cold. It was really cold in there. 573 00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:59,030 And I thought, "Gee, this is peculiar." 574 00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:02,460 Because it was a lovely day out and... 575 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:05,400 I--I was also sprinkling holy water. 576 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,210 And I heard a rather deep voice, uh, behind me saying, "Get out." 577 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,140 - NARRATOR: The startled priest abruptly finishes his blessing 578 00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:19,310 and tells the Lutzes. 579 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:22,180 - "As long as nobody's sleeping in there, you're fine." 580 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:24,620 And then he rushed out the door, 581 00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:26,220 which should've been a clue for them. 582 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:31,320 - NARRATOR: Days later, the priest discovers mysterious 583 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,990 blisters on his hands, like a stigmata. 584 00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:41,870 - BRYAN: It's very common for victims of a malevolent attack, 585 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:43,870 spiritual attack, or paranormal attack 586 00:31:43,870 --> 00:31:47,310 by some kind of potential demonic entity 587 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:53,110 to experience a mocking of Jesus' life, his reality. 588 00:31:59,650 --> 00:32:01,690 - NARRATOR: Soon, the Lutzes begin encountering 589 00:32:01,690 --> 00:32:05,060 strange events as well. 590 00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:08,600 - Suddenly George was, uh, furiously cold all the time. 591 00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:11,560 No matter what, he couldn't get warm. 592 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,900 And he was constantly building fires 593 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:14,370 even when the rest of the family 594 00:32:14,370 --> 00:32:18,540 was shedding off layers because he had them sweating. 595 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:23,350 But he had this bone chill that he just couldn't seem to shake. 596 00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:25,010 - PATRICIA: What's fascinating about George's cold chills is 597 00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:27,210 he was the only one experiencing them. 598 00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:28,780 From somebody who's experienced cold chills, 599 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,450 it's hard to describe. But it's a situation where 600 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,050 you feel like somebody brushed past you. 601 00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:36,920 I mean, I'm getting chills just thinking about it. 602 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,990 When you're there and in that moment, you're like, 603 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:43,190 oh, this is--this is something. There's something here. 604 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:48,330 - NARRATOR: George's personality changes too. 605 00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:52,570 He suffers unexplained bouts of anger, confusion, 606 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:55,240 and loss of appetite. 607 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,880 - As the phenomena started to progress and worsen over time, 608 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,420 George really started to notice 609 00:33:00,410 --> 00:33:02,810 that it was affecting him directly, 610 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:07,820 including waking up every night at about 3:15 AM. 611 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:09,420 - NARRATOR: Around the time some believe 612 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:12,860 the DeFeo murders took place. 613 00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:16,730 It's also the time some call the devil's hour. 614 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,200 - Jesus was said to have died on the cross at 3:00 PM. 615 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,300 And so the devil's hour being 3:00 AM 616 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,870 is sort of a contrast to that. 617 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,350 - NARRATOR: But it's not just odd behavior 618 00:33:34,350 --> 00:33:36,490 haunting the new residents. 619 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,950 - When the Lutzes first moved into the house, naturally, 620 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:41,150 you know, it has tons of space 621 00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:44,490 and lots of different rooms and areas to be explored. 622 00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:48,190 But there were also some areas they weren't expecting to find. 623 00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:51,990 - NARRATOR: Kathy Lutz discovers one such mysterious space 624 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600 while moving a bookcase in the basement. 625 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,870 - KATHY: Much to my surprise, there was no wall behind it. 626 00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:00,970 It was the entrance into this small, 627 00:34:00,970 --> 00:34:05,010 brightly painted red room. 628 00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:10,250 And I was really surprised and alarmed by the find. 629 00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:12,450 - NARRATOR: Even the Lutzes' dog, Harry, 630 00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:17,590 won't go near the strange void known as the Red Room. 631 00:34:17,590 --> 00:34:22,090 - Animals can definitely sense when there's something not right 632 00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:24,390 going on in the environment of something malevolent, 633 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,240 of something, you know, dark. 634 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:30,430 And Harry not wanting to go anywhere near the Red Room 635 00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:32,000 is something that 636 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,240 we would expect to find in a legitimate case of demonic, 637 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,880 uh, involvement. 638 00:34:41,150 --> 00:34:44,850 - NARRATOR: But Kathy's bizarre encounters don't end there. 639 00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:46,750 She soon begins sensing the murdered 640 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,820 DeFeo family's presence. 641 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:52,590 - BECKIE-ANNE: Kathy was experiencing dreams of Louise, 642 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:55,130 Louise's body being exhumed, 643 00:34:55,130 --> 00:34:57,030 the bodies lying on the floor in the same room 644 00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:59,070 where the family was placed 645 00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:03,760 before they were taken out by the medical examiners. 646 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,910 And I know that she had continuously had dreams 647 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:08,440 of her getting shot. 648 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,940 - [gun cocking] 649 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:19,020 - LAURA: Kathy also said that her aunt, who was a nun, 650 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:21,860 came into the house to visit one day. 651 00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:27,820 And she left when she became violently ill. 652 00:35:27,830 --> 00:35:31,200 So, a lot of things were piling up. 653 00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:35,630 - NARRATOR: Then, Kathy's five-year-old daughter, Missy, 654 00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:39,270 begins experiencing her own phenomena. 655 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:42,670 She claims to see the face of a red-eyed pig 656 00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:47,410 in her bedroom window and names it Jody. 657 00:35:47,410 --> 00:35:49,550 - If there was a demon in the Amityville house, 658 00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:52,450 it's very likely that that was what was manifesting 659 00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:56,720 as Jody the red-eyed pig, and was appearing before Missy. 660 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,260 It would be trying to gain her trust because 661 00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:03,430 the more it has attention, the more power it will gain. 662 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:07,230 - BRYAN: Children do see demonic entities first, 663 00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:11,070 before the adults are directly affected. 664 00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:13,910 Children tend to be more sensitive and more willing 665 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,740 to experience it. 666 00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:20,310 It would not be outside of the realm of possibility that some 667 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:24,280 malevolent force would seek out a child first because the child 668 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,320 would be more likely to see and interact with them. 669 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,890 - I think if I had seen a pig face in the window, 670 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:34,660 I would have run for the hills, absolutely. 671 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:37,260 I'm out of there. 672 00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:39,130 - NARRATOR: But no one outside the home 673 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:42,630 has any idea what's happening. 674 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:45,970 - GERALYN: I was in high school when they were in the house. 675 00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:47,610 And I used to walk back and forth 676 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,910 to the high school every day, you know, five days a week. 677 00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:55,180 And I can't say I ever saw anything. 678 00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:58,750 - TIM: As the phenomena worsens, you know, 679 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,590 the Lutz family's trying to tough it out, 680 00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:01,780 and who can blame them? 681 00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:03,460 You finally got your dream house. 682 00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:05,220 What's a few ghosts? 683 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:07,360 - NARRATOR: But when the Lutzes try to take matters 684 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,970 into their own hands, it awakens an even darker force. 685 00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:16,370 - Hey, everyone. 686 00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:18,440 Um, so I'm an Instacart shopper on Long Island. 687 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,980 And I am often in the town of Amityville, 688 00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:28,110 which is where the DeFeo family murders happened. 689 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:30,250 I view this house as, like, 690 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:32,790 one would view the Empire State Building. 691 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:35,850 Um, I just think it's a national landmark. 692 00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:38,790 There it is, y'all. This is Ocean Avenue. 693 00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:42,430 Right there, Amityville Horror house. 694 00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:43,560 It's beautiful. 695 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:52,870 - NARRATOR: Within a week after 696 00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:55,370 moving into their Amityville dream home, 697 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:57,870 the Lutz family begins facing a series of 698 00:37:57,870 --> 00:38:01,980 terrifying and unexplained phenomena. 699 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,520 - STEPHANIE: The spectral pig with the glowing eyes, 700 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,960 disembodied voices, cold spots in the home, 701 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:12,490 I've never heard of anything like this. 702 00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:14,990 - NARRATOR: Soon, the Lutzes begin to wonder if the house 703 00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:19,160 is haunted by the DeFeo murders after all. 704 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,760 - For somebody to be sleeping on the same beds 705 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:24,310 and be in that same house 706 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,700 and really not cleanse that space, if you will, 707 00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:31,600 I think that definitely has something to do with it. 708 00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:34,450 - NARRATOR: Desperate for help, George and Kathy call 709 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,110 the local priest back for a second blessing, 710 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,860 starting with the mysterious red room 711 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:42,720 they recently discovered underneath 712 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,620 their basement stairs. 713 00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:47,520 - TIM: He said no way was he coming back into their house. 714 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,820 And that's when he revealed to them for the first time that 715 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:51,700 when he had been there previously, 716 00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:53,740 something unseen had smacked him, 717 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:55,670 and a voice told him to get out. 718 00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,400 - If we can see it with our own eyes, 719 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,570 it lends credibility to the fact that it would have been 720 00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:05,010 essential for them to get the help of the church 721 00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:07,010 to be able to rectify it. 722 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:10,620 - NARRATOR: With no spiritual help on the way, 723 00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:13,310 the Lutzes take matters into their own hands 724 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,920 and bless the house themselves. 725 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,020 But their actions only further enrage the demons haunting it. 726 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:27,200 - BECKIE-ANNE: When you're experiencing 727 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,400 a paranormal encounter, your eyes focus, 728 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,540 and you see something that you can't explain, 729 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:38,610 and then you need to assess, is this a danger to me? 730 00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:41,450 - STEPHANIE: I think that you can stir up energy 731 00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:42,820 if you don't know what you're doing, 732 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:44,350 or maybe that was the intention. 733 00:39:44,350 --> 00:39:47,990 You know, to try to create something or have this energy 734 00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:50,490 kind of come out of the woodwork. 735 00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:53,060 - NARRATOR: Some believe the paranormal activity haunting 736 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:58,300 the Lutzes may be their own doing. 737 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,400 - George and Kathy practiced Transcendental Meditation, 738 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,170 which in the 1970s sometimes was a code word for they were 739 00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:07,240 interested in the occult. 740 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:08,440 - ALEXANDRA: Of that time of the '70s, 741 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,080 it was kind of the thing to do. 742 00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:12,140 I know, I grew up in it. I [unintelligible]. 743 00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:14,980 A lot of incense-burning and a lot of chanting. 744 00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:17,350 But, if they were into parts of the occult 745 00:40:17,350 --> 00:40:20,490 that are incantations of bad things, 746 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,380 it's definitely inviting somebody in that 747 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:26,790 you don't know who they are and where they come from, uh, 748 00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:28,290 to create a negative energy. 749 00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:32,400 And then things can happen that are really bad. 750 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,800 - BRYAN: You know, any kind of dabbling 751 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,440 with any kind of occult forces 752 00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:38,830 is usually the recipe for disaster because very few people 753 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,580 are properly trained in how to handle these things. 754 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:44,610 - NARRATOR: After their blessing attempt, 755 00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:49,480 the dark energy within 112 Ocean Avenue only intensifies. 756 00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:54,980 Swarms of flies begin congregating in the same room 757 00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:56,630 where the priest experienced 758 00:40:56,620 --> 00:41:02,330 the mysterious slap in the face weeks earlier. 759 00:41:02,330 --> 00:41:03,470 - That's usually the case 760 00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,200 when you have the center of the haunting. 761 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,470 It's the place that nobody wants to go and the place 762 00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:11,170 where spending too much time in there will become overwhelming. 763 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,740 - STEPHANIE: If that were happening to me right now, 764 00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:17,180 I would have called somebody in to come and help me. 765 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:19,510 I would've tried to do anything. 766 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:21,880 But they kind of kept quiet on it. 767 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,480 - NARRATOR: But the flies are just the beginning of 768 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,380 the strange phenomena barraging the Lutzes. 769 00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:31,190 - LAURA: The boys, who were sharing the same room, said-- 770 00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:33,990 and they absolutely swear to this to this day-- 771 00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:39,200 that they saw sort of like a--a black amorphous figure. 772 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,670 They felt like something like whooshed through them, 773 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,210 like a spirit. 774 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,870 - TIM: Kathy herself starts levitating over the bed. 775 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:52,370 And George sees this happening with his own eyes. 776 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:55,120 - LAURA: Kathy looked at herself in the mirror one morning 777 00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:57,110 as she was washing her face. 778 00:41:57,110 --> 00:42:02,120 And her face transformed into that of an old hag. 779 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,060 - My hair turned color. There was no true color. 780 00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:08,460 It was a gray-white. 781 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:10,530 My face was severely wrinkled. 782 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:15,200 Ah, deep impressions coming down across the forehead. 783 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200 My mouth was very tight, very drawn. 784 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,300 - You have a potential demonic presence. 785 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,100 You've got the flies around the window. 786 00:42:23,110 --> 00:42:26,350 You have the slime oozing from the walls. 787 00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:28,280 You have the black substances 788 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,180 that are coming up in the sinks and in the toilets. 789 00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:35,050 This is absolutely terrifying. 790 00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:36,490 - TIM: Whatever entities are there 791 00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:39,230 had quite an unusual strength. 792 00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:40,660 It would target the children. 793 00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:43,300 And it would start to attack them in their rooms. 794 00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:45,530 George tries to get out of bed to go and save them, 795 00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:48,030 and he's paralyzed. He can't get up. 796 00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:51,500 That's the amount of strength that was behind these hauntings. 797 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000 - BRYAN: These kinds of things are things that we do see 798 00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:57,910 when we go and investigate a case 799 00:42:57,910 --> 00:43:00,280 and a person is experiencing what they think 800 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,420 is a demonic problem. 801 00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:05,380 - NARRATOR: The same evil spirits 802 00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:09,580 that haunted Butch DeFeo. 803 00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:14,900 When the Lutzes stay, the dark forces grow even more powerful. 804 00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:17,860 - TIM: George and Kathy describe coming down in 805 00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:19,130 the middle of the night 806 00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:21,530 and finding the sound of a marching band 807 00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:22,870 going through their house. 808 00:43:28,570 --> 00:43:30,540 Kathy, she finally had had enough. 809 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:32,940 And the time came for the Lutz family to get out of that house. 810 00:43:34,610 --> 00:43:38,510 - NARRATOR: On January 14, 1976, 811 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:44,160 George and Kathy gather their kids and dog and race to escape. 812 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:47,450 - TIM: But whatever is in that house starts targeting them. 813 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:49,030 He's unable to pull out. 814 00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:51,670 It's like whatever is there is keeping them on that land. 815 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,460 A young family that has invested everything they have 816 00:43:56,470 --> 00:44:00,810 into their dream home suddenly, after just 28 days, 817 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,000 bolts from the property. 818 00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:07,450 - They were genuinely terrified. 819 00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:13,250 - NARRATOR: But the Lutzes will return to their haunted home. 820 00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:15,550 This time, with reinforcements. 821 00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:19,730 - Let's talk about the Amityville haunting. 822 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,820 On November 13, 1974, Ronnie DeFeo murdered 823 00:44:21,830 --> 00:44:23,030 his two parents and four siblings. 824 00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:24,400 A little over a year later, 825 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:26,090 Kathy and George Lutz moved into the home. 826 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,200 They would only end up staying in the home for 28 days. 827 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,400 They claim they had to leave the home 828 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,640 due to paranormal hauntings. 829 00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:32,670 They claim some crazy shit in this case. 830 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,010 Furniture flying across the room, Kathy levitating, 831 00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:37,550 green slime oozing from the walls, infestation of flies. 832 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,740 - MARVIN: George and Kathy Lutz fled in the darkness in panic. 833 00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:44,790 They said the house was being possessed. 834 00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:47,420 It was the occult. It was demonic. 835 00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:49,560 There was slime oozing from the walls. 836 00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:51,990 There were flies in the dead of winter. 837 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:53,460 They heard voices. 838 00:44:58,060 --> 00:45:01,600 - LAURA: You couldn't have a--a more perfect storm 839 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,870 or confluence of events if you even drew a Venn diagram. 840 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:11,040 You have unseen forces, supernatural, 841 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,710 that have driven this couple out of their house 842 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:17,310 14 months after six people were violently murdered. 843 00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:19,450 Of course that grabbed everybody's attention. 844 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:28,430 - NARRATOR: Soon, neighbors on Ocean Avenue realize 845 00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:32,400 the Lutz family car has been missing for weeks. 846 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,270 Rumors begin circulating the family 847 00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:36,560 had experienced strange behavior 848 00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:40,070 and fled because they were afraid. 849 00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:44,010 - MARVIN: The story filtered into our newsroom. 850 00:45:44,010 --> 00:45:47,280 Laura DiDio, who was an intern at that time, 851 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,280 was ordered to go out to the house 852 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,580 to interview the Lutz family. 853 00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:56,220 - LAURA: I spent five hours talking with them 854 00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:58,220 and getting them to open up. 855 00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:59,760 They were--they were scared. 856 00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:02,820 - MARVIN: She came back. 857 00:46:02,830 --> 00:46:04,470 She said their story is incredible. 858 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:06,500 And she talked them into allowing us 859 00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:09,000 to come in with a crew. 860 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,870 I was hoping to get an exclusive interview with a ghost. 861 00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:14,670 [chuckles] Oh, an intrepid reporter, 862 00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:16,440 always looking for another interview. 863 00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:25,650 - NARRATOR: The reporters contact two of America's 864 00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:29,120 most renowned paranormal investigators for help, 865 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,260 Ed and Lorraine Warren. 866 00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:33,390 - Ed and Lorraine Warren were 867 00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:36,590 a paranormal power couple from Connecticut. 868 00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:39,060 She had a gift that she could see things that other people 869 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:40,330 couldn't see and sense things 870 00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:42,300 that other people couldn't sense. 871 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:44,370 He was a Catholic demonologist, 872 00:46:44,370 --> 00:46:47,240 so they kind of meshed well together. 873 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,880 They really pushed the envelope. 874 00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:53,410 They went to all of the biggest houses, 875 00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:57,380 the scariest--things that you don't wanna find 876 00:46:57,380 --> 00:47:01,350 under your bed at night, they were there. 877 00:47:01,350 --> 00:47:02,850 - NARRATOR: With the Lutzes' permission, 878 00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:06,390 the reporters and the Warrens meet at 112 Ocean Avenue 879 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:11,200 to determine if demonic forces within really have haunted both 880 00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:14,960 the Lutz and DeFeo families. 881 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,560 - Lorraine said, "Before we go into the house, 882 00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:20,540 "let's just take a minute to decompress, pray, 883 00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:22,140 get yourself in the right frame of mind." 884 00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:27,940 We went into the house with the crew. 885 00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:32,080 And Lorraine didn't know which rooms belonged to who. 886 00:47:34,450 --> 00:47:39,260 When she got to Ronnie DeFeo Jr.'s room, Butch, 887 00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:45,130 she walked to the entryway, stood in the doorway, 888 00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:47,670 took one step in, and immediately backed out and said, 889 00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:52,630 "No, it's too oppressive here. I can't go into this room." 890 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,740 - NARRATOR: But Lorraine can't escape this feeling. 891 00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:57,880 Even as her psychic reading continues 892 00:47:57,870 --> 00:48:00,640 on the home's second floor. 893 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,540 - She walked in the master bedroom. 894 00:48:03,550 --> 00:48:07,960 And she said, "Blood, blood, blood all over." 895 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,590 She sat down. 896 00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:15,830 She was having a very physical reaction to this. 897 00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:18,770 She got a migraine headache. 898 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,700 - STEPHANIE: Any type of place that has paranormal activity, 899 00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:21,970 even if you're not looking for it 900 00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:23,500 and you happen to stumble upon it, 901 00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:25,370 those different things that I just described 902 00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:27,840 are actually really common. 903 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,640 You know, especially if you're in a place 904 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,780 where six murders happened. 905 00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:36,950 - I don't doubt for one second that they were encountering 906 00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:41,460 real paranormal entities during these experiences. 907 00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:45,420 - NARRATOR: Overcome, Lorraine abruptly ends their visit. 908 00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:48,960 But not before DiDio and her crew have enough material for 909 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,560 an earth-shattering newscast. 910 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,500 - Then it really blew up. 911 00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,770 I would get calls from 20-year-old kids. 912 00:48:56,770 --> 00:48:59,470 Hey, can we go in there and spend the night? 913 00:48:59,470 --> 00:49:01,410 If the murders and Ronnie DeFeo's trial 914 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,170 hadn't been taxing enough, now you've ladled on ghostbusters. 915 00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:12,520 - People started to invade the... 916 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,960 the quaint little village that we have. 917 00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:18,420 - LAURA: All we kept getting for the next couple of weeks is, 918 00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:21,260 when is the next installment? When is the next installment? 919 00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:25,360 From there on in, this took on a life of its own. 920 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,760 - The news director said, 921 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,430 "Okay, we gotta go back in and do more on this. 922 00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:30,470 Follow up the story." 923 00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:33,040 - NARRATOR: On March 6, 1976, 924 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,440 the news crew returns to the home with the Warrens. 925 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,410 They're joined by George and Kathy Lutz, 926 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:41,250 who haven't been back to the house 927 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,980 since they fled in the middle of the night two months earlier. 928 00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:50,620 - LAURA: Unbeknownst to us, the Warrens had invited several of 929 00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:54,120 their psychic and paranormal friends. 930 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,520 George Lutz had invited several other 931 00:49:57,530 --> 00:50:01,170 paranormal investigating agencies to come in. 932 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,230 So there were about 20 people there. 933 00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:05,770 - NARRATOR: But the Warrens aren't just looking 934 00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:08,410 to conduct psychic readings. 935 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,040 This time, they're going to try to conjure the spirits. 936 00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:16,050 - MAN: We're back. 937 00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:17,420 And if you see it, there's the house. 938 00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:18,850 That's it, that's it. 939 00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:21,590 Now, notice how they've changed the, uh... 940 00:50:21,580 --> 00:50:22,720 - WOMAN: The windows. 941 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,460 - MAN: The eye--ooh. The eye windows. 942 00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:25,680 - WOMAN: They're not-- 943 00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:26,960 - MAN: They're not eye windows anymore. 944 00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,300 - NARRATOR: Nearly a year and a half after Ronnie "Butch" DeFeo 945 00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:46,070 murdered his entire family inside their Amityville home 946 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,950 and three months after the new residents, the Lutzes, 947 00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:54,890 were chased away by a series of terrifying paranormal phenomena, 948 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,320 renowned paranormal investigators 949 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,060 Ed and Lorraine Warren 950 00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:01,860 have returned to the Amityville home to try to 951 00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:06,230 conjure the spirits haunting it. 952 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:08,630 - BECKIE-ANNE: They called the biggest names that they could, 953 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:11,000 the best experts, to help with the house. 954 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,200 And they truly were trying to figure out what was going on. 955 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,540 - MARVIN: I arrived, and I walked into the house, 956 00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:22,050 and there were about 20 people sitting around this table, uh, 957 00:51:22,050 --> 00:51:27,860 with a, uh, blessed candle, crucifix, and, uh, two psychics. 958 00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:31,150 The best description of our reaction during that s�ance 959 00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:34,750 was one word: we're mesmerized. 960 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,760 - I feel personally threatened. 961 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,800 - [pants] 962 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,840 It's something, it's--it's whatever's here. 963 00:51:41,830 --> 00:51:46,130 [pants] Whatever is here. 964 00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:49,080 And it's something that comes at you 965 00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:51,870 and makes your heart speed up, that kind of thing. 966 00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:55,040 - LAURA: So Lorraine was getting the perception 967 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,240 that whatever this was, this was a demonic force, 968 00:51:57,250 --> 00:52:00,990 and it came from the bowels of the earth. 969 00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:04,080 - MARVIN: She believed that the house had been possessed. 970 00:52:04,090 --> 00:52:06,530 There was an occult nature in there. 971 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,020 At one point, Lorraine Warren said to me, "Marvin, 972 00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:12,070 this is the closest to hell I ever wanna get." 973 00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:16,100 - PATRICIA: Lorraine Warren's specifically saying that this is 974 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:20,000 the closest to hell that she'll ever get is fascinating, 975 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,240 considering all of the stuff that she has experienced. 976 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:24,780 - BECKIE-ANNE: When they held these s�ances, 977 00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:26,270 I don't think they were just trying to prove it. 978 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,920 I think they were trying to stop whatever was happening. 979 00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:34,680 - NARRATOR: And soon, something does happen-- 980 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,850 to the TV crew's cameraman. 981 00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:39,150 - LAURA: Steve gets to 982 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,330 the top of the second floor stair landing. 983 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,960 And all of a sudden, he turns around, 984 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,560 and I saw his face go ashen. 985 00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:52,040 All the blood drained out. 986 00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:55,600 And he--I could see, he breaks out into this sweat. 987 00:52:55,610 --> 00:52:57,780 And his face is contorted with pain. 988 00:52:57,770 --> 00:53:01,540 And he doubles over, clutching his chest, 989 00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:02,740 and he said all of a sudden, 990 00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:04,990 he just got severe heart palpitations. 991 00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:06,850 And that had never happened to him before. 992 00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:15,390 - If you're in a place where six murders had just happened 993 00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:17,630 13 months or so before, 994 00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:19,470 something like your heart pounding, 995 00:53:19,460 --> 00:53:21,600 that could be something that you're just not familiar with 996 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200 and you're expecting or anticipating the worst, 997 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,870 but can also be very common in any paranormal situation. 998 00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:30,370 The energy is from spirits that are left behind. 999 00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:34,880 - NARRATOR: Moments later, the Warrens' photographer captures 1000 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,920 this haunting image. 1001 00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:44,920 - LAURA: It shows at the top of the stairs, in a doorway, 1002 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,620 what seems to be a little boy 1003 00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:51,190 with very bright eyes lighting up and a plaid shirt. 1004 00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:52,930 - TIM: There are many people that feel that they actually 1005 00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:55,670 captured the spirit of John Matthew DeFeo, 1006 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:57,910 who was the youngest of the DeFeo children murdered 1007 00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:00,470 that night, coming out of one of the side rooms. 1008 00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:02,140 There are others who say that it was actually 1009 00:54:02,140 --> 00:54:04,510 one of the investigators that was there that night 1010 00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:08,280 and was just captured in the IR light of the camera 1011 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,280 and had this weird, ghostly reflection in his eyes. 1012 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,080 But when you see the photos side by side 1013 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,220 of the supposed ghost boy and John Matthew, 1014 00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:20,620 it's hard to really ignore the similarities. 1015 00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:24,020 - LAURA: I was not there when the picture was developed. 1016 00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:28,170 And I cannot vouch for its accuracy, veracity, 1017 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,100 or authenticity. I don't know. 1018 00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:33,640 - STEPHANIE: It's easy in this day and age 1019 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,340 to fake evidence like that. 1020 00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:37,710 Back then, it was harder to fake. 1021 00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:41,410 But could it have been possible that it was a ghost? 1022 00:54:41,410 --> 00:54:42,550 Absolutely. 1023 00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:46,350 - NARRATOR: Interest in the Amityville case 1024 00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:49,990 continues to build, sparking the curiosity of 1025 00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:53,530 legendary parapsychologist Hans Holzer, 1026 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,490 who signs on to conduct his own investigation. 1027 00:54:58,730 --> 00:55:03,330 - My father, Dr. Hans Holzer, was one of the most known 1028 00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:06,230 American ghost hunters of our time. 1029 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,510 In the case of the Amityville story, 1030 00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:12,140 you've got both true crime and the paranormal. 1031 00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:14,880 Amityville, to him, was kind of falling in that, you know, 1032 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,180 what do we do with this? 1033 00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:20,750 - NARRATOR: Holzer takes the investigation back to its roots: 1034 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:23,290 the DeFeo murders. 1035 00:55:23,290 --> 00:55:25,230 - Why would Ronnie act out in that way? 1036 00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:26,690 There's gotta be a reason why. 1037 00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:29,860 And that's really what he was trying to find out about. 1038 00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:33,200 - TIM: Hans Holzer utilized what he called the Holzer Method, 1039 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,540 which would involve him bringing the equipment, 1040 00:55:35,530 --> 00:55:37,100 similar to what you see paranormal researchers 1041 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:40,100 use on TV today. 1042 00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:44,040 But he would also bring along with him a trance medium. 1043 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,080 - ALEXANDRA: If you're a deep trance medium, 1044 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,450 essentially means that you are allowing your body 1045 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,140 to be taken over to the said entity 1046 00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:55,520 that's in the environment at the time to speak through you. 1047 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,760 And the medium of his choice then was Ethel Johnson-Meyers. 1048 00:56:00,790 --> 00:56:03,930 - NARRATOR: Once again, the Channel 5 news team joins 1049 00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:07,170 to document any paranormal activity. 1050 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,360 - Holzer had planned to go to the house with Ethel, 1051 00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:12,840 and could I meet him there, and could I do research? 1052 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,540 I said, "Sure." 1053 00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:18,480 - ALEXANDRA: So the way Dr. Holzer did his investigations 1054 00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:23,140 was he had his recorder and five different Polaroid cameras. 1055 00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:26,820 So when Ethel went into a trance, that tape was running. 1056 00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:30,890 And then he would speak into the microphone to Ethel, 1057 00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:32,490 to the spirit 1058 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:34,230 [imitates Austrian accent] "Tell me who you are. 1059 00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:35,660 What is your name?" 1060 00:56:42,330 --> 00:56:46,370 - But Hans Holzer's video camera froze up. 1061 00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:47,870 And he says, "That's the first time 1062 00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:49,810 this has ever happened to me." 1063 00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:53,550 - Hans Holzer wanted physical proof of what was going on. 1064 00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:56,340 He certainly believed the trance mediums that he worked with. 1065 00:56:56,350 --> 00:56:58,620 But he knew that if he wanted to convince people 1066 00:56:58,610 --> 00:57:01,410 that the paranormal was real, you were gonna have to show them 1067 00:57:01,420 --> 00:57:06,160 that photograph or that piece of film or that audio recording. 1068 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,430 - NARRATOR: Holzer's Polaroid cameras are working, 1069 00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:13,100 and in this photo, capture a presence in the house. 1070 00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:19,170 The bullet holes leftover from the DeFeo murders 1071 00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:22,070 in this undoctored photo. 1072 00:57:22,070 --> 00:57:23,770 - ALEXANDRA: There is glowing light 1073 00:57:23,770 --> 00:57:26,440 that you cannot account for. 1074 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,410 And that was something that he would be very excited about. 1075 00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:33,050 Yeah, something is still here. 1076 00:57:33,050 --> 00:57:36,590 Somebody is forming that energy. 1077 00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:38,660 - NARRATOR: Holzer's not the only one sensing 1078 00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:40,950 a disturbance in the home. 1079 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,460 His deep trance medium, Ethel Meyers, 1080 00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,930 also detects an unknown force. 1081 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,500 - ALEXANDRA: With a deep trance medium, 1082 00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:50,400 they're going to use your vocal chords. 1083 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,040 Your voice will change. 1084 00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:53,970 Your facial expressions will start to shift, 1085 00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:57,140 almost as if you have a makeup artist molding your face 1086 00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:58,710 to look like a character. 1087 00:57:58,710 --> 00:58:02,080 It's really quite scary. 1088 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,120 - LAURA: What came through was the spirit 1089 00:58:04,110 --> 00:58:06,380 of a Native American chief. 1090 00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:11,630 - NARRATOR: Hans Holzer himself would later explain 1091 00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:15,960 Ethel's experience in an interview with Marvin Scott. 1092 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,230 - On, uh, further investigation, I discovered that the house was 1093 00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:21,600 built on Indian burial ground. 1094 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,270 And that aroused the Indian to a warpath 1095 00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:28,040 against anybody living in the house. 1096 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,880 That's when the fun started. 1097 00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:33,040 - Holzer told me during an interview that he believed 1098 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,210 it was possessed because there was a chief 1099 00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:38,610 who was rebellious of the house being there, 1100 00:58:38,610 --> 00:58:40,580 and this was his way of responding 1101 00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:43,750 to get the people out of the house. 1102 00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:48,060 This was the occult that was occurring at 112 Ocean Avenue. 1103 00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:53,470 - In my initial research back in early 1976, 1104 00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:56,030 I had gone to the Amityville Historical Society, 1105 00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:58,500 and I had seen that there were documents that there was, 1106 00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,340 in fact--the house had been built 1107 00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:04,340 on a Native American burial ground. 1108 00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:06,210 - NARRATOR: The house where Butch Defeo 1109 00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:10,310 murdered his entire family... 1110 00:59:10,310 --> 00:59:12,350 and later sent the Lutz family 1111 00:59:12,350 --> 00:59:15,090 running terrified into the night. 1112 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,520 - [engine turns over] 1113 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,320 - When people are slaughtered in their sleep 1114 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,120 the way that the DeFeos were, and you move into the home 1115 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,920 and try to have a happy life right afterward, 1116 00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:24,630 I think there's no question 1117 00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:27,300 that you're gonna run into some terrible energy. 1118 00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:29,900 You're gonna run into some paranormal activity. 1119 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,570 - NARRATOR: Holzer's findings further fuel the publicity 1120 00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:35,270 engulfing the Amityville case... 1121 00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:38,470 but nothing like what's about to come next. 1122 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,520 - The true story of the Amityville Horror house, 1123 00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:46,780 part two. 1124 00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:49,050 So the Lutz family moved in in December of 1975 1125 00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:51,890 and only stayed for a mere 28 days. 1126 00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:54,730 In that month, they experienced weird paranormal activity 1127 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,920 such as eyes peering into the house from all the windows, 1128 00:59:57,930 --> 00:59:59,430 hearing unexplainable noises, 1129 00:59:59,430 --> 01:00:02,700 and even smelling really foul, bizarre odors. 1130 01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:13,580 - NARRATOR: In 1976, news of the Lutz family's strange encounters 1131 01:00:13,580 --> 01:00:16,720 within their recently abandoned Amityville home 1132 01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:18,950 makes headlines across the nation. 1133 01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:22,850 - STEPHANIE: Things such as green slime, 1134 01:00:22,850 --> 01:00:26,690 flies all gathering in one area in the house, 1135 01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:29,990 disembodied voices, cold spots in the home, 1136 01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:31,930 Kathy levitating out of bed. 1137 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:37,070 - NARRATOR: That same year, George and Kathy Lutz connect 1138 01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:42,240 with author Jay Anson to share their terrifying story. 1139 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,040 - They had sent him 45 hours 1140 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,040 of taped conversations. 1141 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,510 - I'm a journalist. 1142 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,120 I try to investigate as best as I can. 1143 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,460 I was able to put together a chronology of the events that 1144 01:00:57,450 --> 01:01:01,190 took place within that framework of 28 days. 1145 01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:04,290 I sincerely believe they took place. 1146 01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:09,530 - NARRATOR: The book is an instant bestseller, 1147 01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:11,500 capturing in chilling detail 1148 01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,400 the story of both the brutal DeFeo murders 1149 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,640 and the subsequent hauntings experienced by the Lutzes. 1150 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,710 - LAURA: People ate it up. And it takes off. 1151 01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:25,110 - Americans love a good ghost story. 1152 01:01:25,110 --> 01:01:26,880 And there's no better ghost story 1153 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,950 than the one that comes out of Amityville. 1154 01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:35,230 - TIM: So in 1977, author Jay Anson adapts their story into 1155 01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:37,560 his novel, "The Amityville Horror." 1156 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,200 And I saw the cover. 1157 01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:41,030 I saw the logo with the devil tail. 1158 01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:44,170 And then I saw the words "Based on a true story." 1159 01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:46,770 And that just captured my attention right then and there. 1160 01:01:46,770 --> 01:01:49,640 I became obsessed with this case. 1161 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,180 - RIC: I got interested originally 1162 01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:54,240 in the Amityville story 1163 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,040 by seeing my mother and sister's reaction 1164 01:01:58,050 --> 01:01:59,990 to Jay Anson's book. 1165 01:01:59,980 --> 01:02:03,650 And when I picked it up, the house with the eye-like windows 1166 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:06,450 just kind of called to me. It fascinated me. 1167 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,000 - NARRATOR: Almost overnight, the quiet village of Amityville 1168 01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:15,890 turns into an unwanted tourist attraction. 1169 01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:18,570 - I have to say from the time the murders happened, 1170 01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:24,340 the traffic on Ocean Avenue picked up unbelievably. 1171 01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:26,580 - NARRATOR: But the book is just the beginning. 1172 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,550 In 1979, the motion picture "The Amityville Horror" is released. 1173 01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:40,030 - [flies buzzing] 1174 01:02:43,830 --> 01:02:46,170 - NARRATOR: The film grosses nearly $8 million 1175 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,700 its first weekend-- 1176 01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:52,270 the equivalent of $30 million today. 1177 01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:56,070 - BRYAN: "The Amityville Horror" was a classic horror film. 1178 01:02:56,070 --> 01:02:57,740 It still holds its own today. 1179 01:02:57,740 --> 01:02:59,710 Those little curved windows in the attic. 1180 01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:01,610 That stays in public consciousness. 1181 01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:03,910 It becomes an archetype. 1182 01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:08,450 - NARRATOR: Soon, a second wave of mania takes over the town. 1183 01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:09,890 - WOMAN: Now, you all came up from Queens 1184 01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:12,430 to try to look at the house. Why? 1185 01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:13,960 - I don't know. I haven't seen the movie yet. 1186 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,630 I'm waiting to see the movie. Just, you know, beforehand. 1187 01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:18,000 - After that, when the movie came out, 1188 01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:19,730 then it stirred up stuff in the village 1189 01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:21,570 and it really became more of a nuisance, 1190 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,230 or it did--it was a nuisance, 1191 01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:25,070 with people coming by all the time, 1192 01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:28,540 looking at the house and walking on the property. 1193 01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:31,340 - TIM: "The Amityville Horror" story 1194 01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:33,640 hit the American public consciousness 1195 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,840 at just the right time for this to get a lot of play. 1196 01:03:37,850 --> 01:03:40,620 It was--in the years immediately following the release 1197 01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:43,190 of the book and the movie "The Exorcist." 1198 01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:44,560 And that kicked off an era 1199 01:03:44,550 --> 01:03:47,450 that we refer to as the Satanic Panic. 1200 01:03:49,420 --> 01:03:52,490 - LAURA: The movie comes out, and bam. 1201 01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:56,030 The legend is born, and it's in full swing. 1202 01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:58,830 People who were atheist, agnostics, 1203 01:03:58,830 --> 01:04:00,730 came out of that movie theater. 1204 01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:01,970 And the next thing you know, 1205 01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:05,840 people were sleeping with the lights on. 1206 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,610 - PATRICIA: We have this fascinating paranormal story, 1207 01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:13,350 but also this murder trial where they try and use 1208 01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:15,850 demonic presence in court. 1209 01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:19,820 And it's something that's going to be debated forever. 1210 01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:22,320 - BECKIE-ANNE: I believe that something supernatural 1211 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,390 occurred in that house. 1212 01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:27,190 Someone commented on one of my friend's videos and said, 1213 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,140 "That was entirely a hoax." 1214 01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:30,800 Says who? Were you there? 1215 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,140 Are you able to produce something that proves 1216 01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:36,810 one side or the other? 1217 01:04:36,810 --> 01:04:37,980 - TIM: All of these people 1218 01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:39,840 skeptical about the Lutzes' story, 1219 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,680 with people calling them liars and hoaxers 1220 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,380 and saying that they're just in this to make a buck, well, 1221 01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:47,750 the only thing they can do to really defend themselves 1222 01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:51,650 and to make people believe them is to take lie detector tests, 1223 01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:53,120 which they passed. 1224 01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:56,360 - NARRATOR: Suddenly, the Lutzes 1225 01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,200 begin making appearances on national TV. 1226 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,400 - It was George that went on "The Merv Griffin Show" 1227 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,200 and presented the ghost boy photo, 1228 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,500 reigniting all the discussion and the debate, 1229 01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:08,270 whether or not there was actually a real haunting 1230 01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:09,710 that happened there. 1231 01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:15,410 - NARRATOR: Despite all the publicity, 1232 01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:17,880 there's one thing the Lutzes won't do. 1233 01:05:19,780 --> 01:05:24,220 - Every TV network, every primetime news magazine show, 1234 01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:26,820 they must've been throwing blank checks at the Lutzes 1235 01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:28,020 to get the footage of them 1236 01:05:28,020 --> 01:05:29,860 walking through that house again. 1237 01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:32,460 But they just refused to do it. 1238 01:05:32,460 --> 01:05:34,030 - NARRATOR: For the next 50 years, 1239 01:05:34,030 --> 01:05:37,730 the entertainment industry cashes in with countless books, 1240 01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:39,770 documentaries, and movies 1241 01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:43,710 about the DeFeo murders and Lutz encounters. 1242 01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:45,480 - I grew up learning about the Amityville murders because 1243 01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:49,840 this was actually my dad's first rated R film in theaters. 1244 01:05:49,850 --> 01:05:54,020 And to this day, he says it just scared the daylights out of him. 1245 01:05:54,020 --> 01:05:55,490 Here we are today with just about 1246 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:56,920 20 Amityville Horror movies 1247 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,820 just kind of snowballed after that book. 1248 01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:01,120 - The thing about the Amityville case 1249 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,920 is because it is such an iconic visual, 1250 01:06:04,930 --> 01:06:09,940 that that house has become a marketing cash cow. 1251 01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:12,370 No matter how bad the movie is, people are gonna buy it. 1252 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,470 - When I was 13 years old, 1253 01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:18,110 I went on my first date with a boy. 1254 01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:22,080 And his mother took us to see the Ryan Reynolds version of 1255 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,210 "Amityville Horror." 1256 01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:25,950 I didn't know that it was a previous film. 1257 01:06:25,950 --> 01:06:27,720 I didn't know that it was real. 1258 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,060 And then my parents were like, 1259 01:06:29,050 --> 01:06:31,190 that happened when we were younger, 1260 01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:33,260 and there was a huge film. 1261 01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:35,700 Then I started getting more involved with researching. 1262 01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:37,390 Like, how could this be real? 1263 01:06:37,390 --> 01:06:40,060 And then, you know, Googling "true story behind this movie". 1264 01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:43,000 And that's when I really understood it. 1265 01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:46,870 - If it's one thing about the American people, 1266 01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:49,770 it's that we love and hate a mystery. 1267 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,120 - NARRATOR: But one man may know the answer to what 1268 01:06:57,110 --> 01:07:00,950 really happened to the DeFeo and Lutz families. 1269 01:07:03,290 --> 01:07:07,230 - MAN: Is this fact or fiction? - It's fiction. Absolutely. 1270 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,560 - It's the anniversary of 1271 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,200 "The Amityville Horror" movie from 1979. 1272 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,840 So I figured why not visit the actual house itself, 1273 01:07:16,830 --> 01:07:18,300 but in a respectful manner. 1274 01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:29,820 - NARRATOR: The fascination with the hauntings 1275 01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:34,780 inside 112 Ocean Avenue continues today. 1276 01:07:34,780 --> 01:07:38,080 - We do get a lot of, uh, interest and tourists. 1277 01:07:38,090 --> 01:07:42,760 People coming in to look at the house and curiosity about it. 1278 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:47,770 These hauntings and paranormal things 1279 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,860 that just piques people's interest. 1280 01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:53,810 And it's just one of those human nature things. 1281 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,500 But it's just not really fair for the people 1282 01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:56,770 that do live there, 1283 01:07:56,770 --> 01:07:59,610 for the intrusions they get on the property. 1284 01:07:59,610 --> 01:08:03,350 - TIM: It's become a place where it's almost like a pilgrimage. 1285 01:08:03,350 --> 01:08:04,990 You really, for the most part, 1286 01:08:04,980 --> 01:08:07,520 get people that are just curious and interested. 1287 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,220 But even when we come here to make peace with Amityville, 1288 01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:14,220 Amityville might not be ready to make peace with us. 1289 01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:16,720 - GERALYN: It's not uncommon to be walking along the street, 1290 01:08:16,730 --> 01:08:19,370 and then seeing that car that's holding up traffic, 1291 01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,000 that's looking at the numbers on the houses, 1292 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,870 and they're having a hard time finding that haunted house that 1293 01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:28,040 they think is haunted, and it's not. 1294 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,210 There's been very happy families there. 1295 01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:32,910 - The feeling that's left in that house now 1296 01:08:32,910 --> 01:08:37,820 is what is left over from what happened in 1974. 1297 01:08:37,810 --> 01:08:39,280 It's left an imprint on the house, 1298 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,250 this horrible stamp on it for the rest of history. 1299 01:08:43,450 --> 01:08:47,220 - NARRATOR: An imprint left by Ronnie "Butch" DeFeo when 1300 01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:51,020 he suddenly murdered his entire family in cold blood. 1301 01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:55,130 - STEPHANIE: Ronnie DeFeo said there is a demon there that 1302 01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:57,570 completely took over his body and made him all these things. 1303 01:08:57,570 --> 01:08:59,040 He heard voices. 1304 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,370 - NARRATOR: But 21 years after failing to convince a jury that 1305 01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:09,010 the devil made him do it, DeFeo finally comes forward 1306 01:09:09,010 --> 01:09:12,410 to unburden himself with the truth. 1307 01:09:12,410 --> 01:09:18,380 In 1995, he says his demon defense was all a sham... 1308 01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:21,960 invented by his lawyer William Weber. 1309 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,730 - Mr. Weber tells me, "Look. 1310 01:09:23,730 --> 01:09:25,570 "We got 'The Godfather' and 'The Exorcist' 1311 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:26,860 "all in one here, Ronnie. 1312 01:09:26,860 --> 01:09:29,230 We're gonna make big, big money." 1313 01:09:29,230 --> 01:09:31,230 My lawyer told me what to tell a psychiatrist 1314 01:09:31,230 --> 01:09:34,600 so they would go along with everything. 1315 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,840 - William Weber came up with the creative defense that there was 1316 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,610 something supernatural involved in the house. 1317 01:09:41,610 --> 01:09:44,450 He had sold Butch DeFeo on the idea 1318 01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:46,990 that there was gonna be a book 1319 01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:50,180 and he would be famous, and there would be money. 1320 01:09:50,190 --> 01:09:52,460 It would be a relief if we could blame 1321 01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:55,320 the devil or demons or ghosts 1322 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,520 simply because of the fact to know that your fellow 1323 01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:03,330 human being is capable of something so horrendous 1324 01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:05,170 is truly terrifying. 1325 01:10:05,170 --> 01:10:07,370 More so than any disembodied [unintelligible] 1326 01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:12,710 or giant Jody the pigs, or oozing walls. 1327 01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:15,550 - NARRATOR: Weber continues this story with the home's 1328 01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:18,010 next residents as well. 1329 01:10:18,010 --> 01:10:19,440 - WILLIAM: After the trial was over, 1330 01:10:19,450 --> 01:10:22,950 I was introduced to George and Kathy, uh, Lutz, 1331 01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:25,950 who were then living in the DeFeo residence. 1332 01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:29,520 And they had approached me with an idea that, uh, 1333 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,220 there were people interested with big money, uh, 1334 01:10:32,230 --> 01:10:37,700 in developing the demonism aspect of the DeFeo murder. 1335 01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:42,670 - Bill Weber said the story grew over dinner with the Lutzes. 1336 01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:46,910 A matter of fact, he said it grew over a bottle of wine. 1337 01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:50,350 One bottle of wine? No, three bottles of wine! 1338 01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:54,820 And the story just grew and grew and grew. 1339 01:10:54,820 --> 01:10:56,890 - NARRATOR: The Lutzes themselves confirm 1340 01:10:56,890 --> 01:11:00,560 Weber's account to reporter Laura DiDio. 1341 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,430 - LAURA: The Lutzes had taped a conversation with William Weber. 1342 01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:08,470 And they said, "Before we play this, 1343 01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:11,930 "we just want you to know we're not too proud of this at all. 1344 01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:13,430 We're very embarrassed." 1345 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,740 And on the tape, I heard William Weber 1346 01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:18,110 was leading the charge, 1347 01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:22,080 which was we should be able to get several movies 1348 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,180 and several books out of it, at least. 1349 01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:29,720 Which, again, going back to 1975, '76, 1350 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,820 that's pretty good marketing. 1351 01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:35,390 He already had franchise in mind. 1352 01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:37,930 - NARRATOR: But not everyone reaps the reward. 1353 01:11:39,130 --> 01:11:40,830 - MARVIN: The Lutzes, of all the money that was made 1354 01:11:40,830 --> 01:11:42,270 on the films and the books, 1355 01:11:42,260 --> 01:11:43,860 they made very little out of this. 1356 01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:46,110 I think the total they ever saw, if the figure is correct, 1357 01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:48,140 something like $300,000. 1358 01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:52,440 But millions were made on the films and the books. 1359 01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:54,040 - PATRICIA: The defense lawyer, William Weber, 1360 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,180 definitely took advantage of the time period 1361 01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:59,780 and the Satanic Panic going on. I think a lot of the stories 1362 01:11:59,780 --> 01:12:01,620 that we hear of this Amityville home 1363 01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:04,420 are a snowball effect, where we start off with 1364 01:12:04,420 --> 01:12:08,290 one thing spooky, and then you kind of add to that, 1365 01:12:08,290 --> 01:12:10,630 and then from there, it just keeps going, and going, 1366 01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:15,270 and it becomes something so much greater than it was meant to. 1367 01:12:15,260 --> 01:12:17,160 - BRYAN: It's kind of like the little telephone game you played 1368 01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:18,970 in--in grade school, you know? 1369 01:12:18,970 --> 01:12:21,570 You're always gonna have controversy, 1370 01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:24,510 people saying this was, uh...not authentic, 1371 01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:26,780 and other people saying, no, it really happened. 1372 01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:28,320 The truth is always in the middle. 1373 01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:32,240 - NARRATOR: And nothing is more shocking than the truth 1374 01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:36,050 DeFeo admits to next. 1375 01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:37,620 - I can honestly say that I'm not guilty. 1376 01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:42,760 - The Lutz family, they moved into the house 1377 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,500 in December of 1975. 1378 01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:47,530 However, they only lived in the house for 28 days. 1379 01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:49,170 They started talking to the media about the fact 1380 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,430 that the house was haunted. 1381 01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:52,470 And this is when people started suspecting 1382 01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:56,710 that they were making up the story for fame or notoriety. 1383 01:12:56,710 --> 01:13:00,250 - NARRATOR: After admitting his devil defense was a sham, 1384 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,610 in 1995, Ronnie "Butch" DeFeo decides he can no longer 1385 01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:09,150 hold back his family's darkest secret. 1386 01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:12,990 He finally comes clean 1387 01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:17,230 what really happened inside their home that horrific night. 1388 01:13:18,860 --> 01:13:21,660 - RONNIE: My sister had come to a point in her life where 1389 01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:23,200 she wanted to be rebellious. 1390 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,340 She wanted to get out of the house. 1391 01:13:25,330 --> 01:13:28,570 And you couldn't be free and be a DeFeo. 1392 01:13:28,570 --> 01:13:30,640 In that house, nobody could be free. 1393 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:35,350 - You have to go a step back and to understand that 1394 01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:39,140 the DeFeo household was a ticking time bomb. 1395 01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:44,320 There was greed, drugs, organized crime involvement. 1396 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,860 The family had a horrible amount of domestic abuse 1397 01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:52,630 from the father, Big Ronnie Sr. 1398 01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:54,530 - NARRATOR: According to Butch's account, 1399 01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:58,470 18-year-old Dawn DeFeo wanted out. 1400 01:13:58,470 --> 01:14:03,010 And on the night of November 13, 1974, 1401 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,340 she was ready to kill for her freedom. 1402 01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:11,310 - According to Butch DeFeo, Dawn was pressing and pressing. 1403 01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:16,120 She's the one that brought the rifle down to Butch and said, 1404 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,020 "We gotta do it. We gotta do it now. 1405 01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:19,790 If we don't do, we're never gonna be free." 1406 01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:22,320 - RONNIE: I got high. 1407 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,420 And I was using a lot of heroin back then. 1408 01:14:24,430 --> 01:14:27,970 I had gone down the basement, had the TV on. 1409 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,330 - NARRATOR: But a stoned Butch dismisses 1410 01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:32,730 his sister's ramblings. 1411 01:14:32,730 --> 01:14:35,170 - My mother and father apparently went to bed. 1412 01:14:35,170 --> 01:14:36,570 Everybody went to bed. 1413 01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:39,180 You gotta remember now, I'm high. 1414 01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:41,370 I'm still drunk. 1415 01:14:41,380 --> 01:14:44,250 And then I heard a roar. 1416 01:14:44,250 --> 01:14:48,920 I went upstairs, it was a bad smell. 1417 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,690 At that time, I didn't realize what the smell was. 1418 01:14:51,690 --> 01:14:53,690 It was sulfur. 1419 01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:56,160 Went into my mother and father's room. 1420 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,160 And I saw a hole in my father's back. 1421 01:15:01,930 --> 01:15:05,600 - NARRATOR: Beside Ronnie Sr., Butch's mother, Louise. 1422 01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:11,710 And the horror continues. 1423 01:15:11,710 --> 01:15:13,050 - RONNIE: I turned around, 1424 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,680 and my sister's room was directly across. 1425 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,020 And, uh, she had a hole in the side of her head, 1426 01:15:17,010 --> 01:15:20,210 and it was blood coming down. 1427 01:15:20,220 --> 01:15:23,420 - NARRATOR: 13-year-old Allison DeFeo. 1428 01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:24,990 - RONNIE: She had a pink shag rug. 1429 01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:26,830 I'll never forget that. 1430 01:15:26,820 --> 01:15:31,390 - NARRATOR: Next, Butch discovers 12-year-old Marc, 1431 01:15:31,390 --> 01:15:34,260 and the youngest member of the DeFeo family, 1432 01:15:34,260 --> 01:15:37,660 nine-year-old John Matthew. 1433 01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:41,270 - Both of my brothers' rooms, they were dead. 1434 01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:44,310 - NARRATOR: Then comes Butch's biggest shock. 1435 01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:47,980 His sister Dawn is still alive. 1436 01:15:47,980 --> 01:15:51,780 And she's armed with a rifle. 1437 01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:54,720 - RONNIE: I looked at her. She looked at me. 1438 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,320 And we got into a wrestling match. 1439 01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,420 I took the rifle away from her. I shot her in the head. 1440 01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:05,060 - NARRATOR: Some of the forensics seem 1441 01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:08,930 to corroborate Butch's story. 1442 01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:10,060 - When you look at it, 1443 01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:11,400 there's evidence that there was gunpowder 1444 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,500 on the front of Dawn's dress and on her hands. 1445 01:16:15,970 --> 01:16:18,810 - NARRATOR: But others believe Butch actively helped his sister 1446 01:16:18,810 --> 01:16:23,050 commit the murder before he turned the rifle on her. 1447 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,110 - STEPHANIE: I have always maintained 1448 01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:25,710 there was a second shooter. 1449 01:16:25,710 --> 01:16:28,450 And I actually didn't realize that that was even a thing until 1450 01:16:28,450 --> 01:16:32,690 I looked into the actual files and found the evidence. 1451 01:16:32,690 --> 01:16:36,190 - RIC: Herman Race, the retired New York City detective 1452 01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:37,830 working for the defense, 1453 01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:40,570 uncovered that there was more than one gun used, 1454 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,230 and there was accomplices involved that actually kept 1455 01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:46,470 the kids quiet during the murders. 1456 01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:50,310 Remember, even if you just look at one murder weapon, 1457 01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:54,210 a .35 Marlin is so loud that you can go deaf 1458 01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:55,880 from the firing of it. 1459 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,120 And this is a small house. 1460 01:16:58,110 --> 01:16:59,650 - [gun cocking] 1461 01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:06,120 - It's incredible that the victims didn't hear any of 1462 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,460 the shots over the 15-minute period. 1463 01:17:09,460 --> 01:17:11,160 - NARRATOR: But that's not all. 1464 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,660 - RIC: Not all the bodies 1465 01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:14,760 that were found in bed were shot in bed. 1466 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:19,370 So, the police knew from day one that the bodies were planted. 1467 01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:22,340 Um, or at least the parents were made to look like 1468 01:17:22,340 --> 01:17:25,240 they had been sleeping peacefully. 1469 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,580 - I think that he staged the entire crime scene 1470 01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:30,780 and he cleaned it up himself before he did anything about it. 1471 01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:34,150 - I can honestly say that I'm not guilty of the, uh, 1472 01:17:34,150 --> 01:17:36,020 crime that I was found guilty of. 1473 01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:38,820 I'm guilty of one act, and the act was manslaughter, 1474 01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:40,460 not murder. 1475 01:17:40,460 --> 01:17:42,300 - RIC: Now, was Butch DeFeo completely innocent? 1476 01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:43,560 No, he was not innocent. 1477 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,660 He had a hand in the murder of Dawn. 1478 01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:50,830 But he was adamant that he never planned or intended 1479 01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:53,030 the murder of the younger children. 1480 01:17:57,410 --> 01:18:00,910 - NARRATOR: But was Butch DeFeo telling the truth? 1481 01:18:00,910 --> 01:18:06,350 Was his sister Dawn both the main killer and the victim? 1482 01:18:06,350 --> 01:18:09,950 Or, was there truly a darker underlying force 1483 01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:12,490 at play within the home? 1484 01:18:12,490 --> 01:18:18,100 Something that drove Butch and the Lutz family to madness? 1485 01:18:18,090 --> 01:18:21,930 - The DeFeo murders are quite an interesting case because it is 1486 01:18:21,930 --> 01:18:24,930 going to forever pull people in different directions. 1487 01:18:24,930 --> 01:18:28,730 Whether or not this is one of the most intense cases of 1488 01:18:28,740 --> 01:18:33,950 demonic possession or if this is simply a person disturbed, 1489 01:18:33,940 --> 01:18:36,880 wanting to do these things. 1490 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:41,650 - NARRATOR: And on March 12, 2021, the mystery only deepens. 1491 01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:47,730 - Breaking news. On March 12, 2021, 1492 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,820 Ronald DeFeo Jr. died in prison at the age of 69. 1493 01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:54,030 So far, the cause of death is undetermined 1494 01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:56,430 until an autopsy is performed. 1495 01:18:56,430 --> 01:18:59,330 And if you don't know who he is, he's better known 1496 01:18:59,330 --> 01:19:01,830 as the Amityville Horror killer. 1497 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,580 Yes, the one that all the movies are based off. 1498 01:19:05,570 --> 01:19:08,570 - NARRATOR: The cause of death is still unknown. 1499 01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:10,020 - PRISCILLA: Once I heard about the death 1500 01:19:10,010 --> 01:19:12,410 of Ronald "Butch" DeFeo Jr., 1501 01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:13,780 I was like, I have to talk about this. 1502 01:19:13,780 --> 01:19:15,820 And I'm quite literally throwing makeup on my face 1503 01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:19,320 and trying to get a video out there on TikTok. 1504 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,490 It's a huge death. 1505 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,620 - DENNIS: When Ronnie DeFeo died, 1506 01:19:25,630 --> 01:19:27,200 people started coming again. 1507 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,870 You get that traffic, and it just becomes more of a nuisance 1508 01:19:29,860 --> 01:19:34,030 than a positive thing for the village. 1509 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,580 - NARRATOR: DeFeo's passing reignites a generation's 1510 01:19:37,570 --> 01:19:40,770 fascination with the legendary tale 1511 01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:45,750 and its haunting effects on not one, but two families. 1512 01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:51,790 - The desire to hear more about it is seemingly insatiable. 1513 01:19:51,790 --> 01:19:53,590 And that brings people out. 1514 01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:59,000 And we are now into third and fourth generation 1515 01:19:58,990 --> 01:20:01,090 Amityville aficionados. 1516 01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:04,600 - WOMAN: Somebody's still normal living in this crazy house. 1517 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,940 - The story of Amityville is never going to end. 1518 01:20:08,940 --> 01:20:13,480 It has already withstood 50 years, several films, 1519 01:20:13,470 --> 01:20:16,470 multiple documentaries, multiple books, 1520 01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:19,650 podcasts, TikTokers, YouTubers. 1521 01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:22,020 I think there's always gonna be that interest. 1522 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,020 - They claim that it's not haunted at all. 1523 01:20:26,020 --> 01:20:27,390 But I don't know. 1524 01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:28,860 I find that a little hard to believe here. 1525 01:20:28,860 --> 01:20:30,800 - To be clear, everybody who's lived in the home since 1526 01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:33,190 has never had anything paranormal happen to them. 1527 01:20:33,190 --> 01:20:35,060 So I don't know, pretty iffy to me. 1528 01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:36,630 - LAURA: People like to debate these things. 1529 01:20:36,630 --> 01:20:38,870 And now you have social media. 1530 01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:40,540 And you've got the digital world. 1531 01:20:40,540 --> 01:20:43,910 And this is the granddaddy of all ghost stories. 1532 01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:45,710 And when you're talking about the supernatural, 1533 01:20:45,710 --> 01:20:48,950 you either believe it or you don't believe it. 1534 01:20:48,940 --> 01:20:51,440 - BECKIE-ANNE: I believe that something supernatural 1535 01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:52,680 occurred in that house. 1536 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,420 Do I think it started with the DeFeos? 1537 01:20:55,420 --> 01:20:57,560 I don't know where it happened, 1538 01:20:57,550 --> 01:21:01,750 but I do not think that the Lutz story 1539 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,130 was completely fabricated. 1540 01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:06,230 - I think it's a great story, and I think it's a story that 1541 01:21:06,230 --> 01:21:08,800 will continue to be told from generation to generation. 1542 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,670 It's a great topic up for debate. 1543 01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:16,770 - TIM: When the legend becomes fact, you print the legend. 1544 01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:18,670 And that's where we're at with the Amityville case, 1545 01:21:18,670 --> 01:21:21,010 that no matter how much fact we can decipher 1546 01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:23,010 from what really happened and what didn't, 1547 01:21:23,010 --> 01:21:25,010 the legend is always gonna be stronger. 1548 01:21:59,310 --> 01:22:00,910 - BECKIE-ANNE: People think I'm obsessed with this. 1549 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,560 But I'm okay with it. I am obsessed with it. 1550 01:22:03,550 --> 01:22:06,990 - Ronald DeFeo Jr. has died in police custody. 1551 01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:08,860 - So far, the cause of death is undetermined 1552 01:22:08,860 --> 01:22:11,260 until an autopsy is performed. 1553 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:13,230 - I am in Amityville right now. 1554 01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:16,630 Today is the anniversary of "The Amityville Horror". 1555 01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:18,130 - And this house right here is said to be 1556 01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:20,900 one of the most evil locations on earth. 1557 01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:22,900 - I just think it's a national landmark. 1558 01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:26,070 Right there. Amityville Horror house. 1559 01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:28,040 - The kids of the Lutz family said that the hauntings 1560 01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,510 were all too real. 1561 01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:31,750 - WOMAN: Please tell me you see that too. 1562 01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:34,090 - That's so freakin' crazy! 1563 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,820 - If you're gonna try and put it all together, 1564 01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:37,520 take all these pieces and put 'em all together, 1565 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,790 and try to make sense of it all together, 1566 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:42,360 your head would explode. 1567 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:43,530 - [giggles] - How do you end it? 1568 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:44,620 - I don't know. 128129

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