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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:57,291 {\an8} I'm a big believer in negotiations. 4 00:01:57,421 --> 00:01:59,249 {\an8}Nobody outsmarts anybody. 5 00:01:59,336 --> 00:02:01,338 {\an8}The idea that you can manipulate somebody 6 00:02:01,425 --> 00:02:03,123 {\an8}in a negotiation is just an illusion. 7 00:02:04,994 --> 00:02:06,909 {\an8}And yet, at the crunch point, 8 00:02:06,996 --> 00:02:08,998 {\an8}it's ultimately about a manipulation, 9 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,261 {\an8}because you're trying to convince the other side, 10 00:02:11,348 --> 00:02:13,611 {\an8}"I can do X, but I can't do Y." 11 00:02:13,698 --> 00:02:16,571 The other side has to believe that's not a manipulation. 12 00:02:16,701 --> 00:02:18,529 They have to believe that's real. 13 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:21,271 And the only way you get to that point is by establishing 14 00:02:21,402 --> 00:02:24,318 a relationship of credibility and trust 15 00:02:24,448 --> 00:02:26,189 with who it is you're negotiating. 16 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:31,281 {\an8}You can't ignore the human factor. 17 00:02:31,368 --> 00:02:33,022 {\an8}Someone who has the human touch 18 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:34,719 {\an8}treats someone else with respect. 19 00:02:34,850 --> 00:02:36,982 {\an8}Someone who has the human touch 20 00:02:37,113 --> 00:02:39,681 {\an8}doesn't think they're gonna outsmart anybody. 21 00:02:39,768 --> 00:02:42,814 {\an8}Someone who has the human touch will fulfill the empathy role. 22 00:02:51,606 --> 00:02:53,999 {\an8}The essence of empathy is the capacity 23 00:02:54,130 --> 00:02:56,176 {\an8}to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. 24 00:02:56,306 --> 00:02:59,004 And what you're trying to do as a mediator is, 25 00:02:59,135 --> 00:03:02,704 first, to get each side to adjust to a reality, 26 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:04,575 and the reality is they're not gonna get 27 00:03:04,706 --> 00:03:06,664 what they need addressed 28 00:03:06,795 --> 00:03:09,276 unless they will address the needs of the other side. 29 00:03:12,888 --> 00:03:14,368 {\an8} In the Middle East, 30 00:03:14,498 --> 00:03:15,978 {\an8}the challenge is building bridges 31 00:03:16,108 --> 00:03:17,849 {\an8}between different cultures. 32 00:03:17,980 --> 00:03:20,678 {\an8}And the most important tool is language, 33 00:03:20,809 --> 00:03:23,246 {\an8}because diplomacy is all about language. 34 00:03:23,377 --> 00:03:25,596 {\an8}It is the art of using language. 35 00:03:25,727 --> 00:03:29,818 {\an8}It's the power of the word and the notion behind the word. 36 00:03:29,948 --> 00:03:31,515 {\an8}For example, 37 00:03:31,646 --> 00:03:34,083 when you talk about the possibility of peace, 38 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,607 and you talk about the future, 39 00:03:36,694 --> 00:03:40,698 actually, the word "future" in the minds of the Arabs 40 00:03:40,829 --> 00:03:42,396 is different than the word "future" 41 00:03:42,483 --> 00:03:44,224 when we talk about it. 42 00:03:44,354 --> 00:03:46,443 When we talk about the future, we mean the future. 43 00:03:46,574 --> 00:03:48,837 When the Arabs talk about the future, 44 00:03:48,967 --> 00:03:53,233 they are talking about fixing the injustice of the past. 45 00:03:53,363 --> 00:03:55,278 Then you can talk about the future. 46 00:03:55,409 --> 00:03:57,498 We talk about the future, assuming that, 47 00:03:57,628 --> 00:03:59,108 okay, let's forget about the past, 48 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:00,979 because tomorrow should be better, 49 00:04:01,110 --> 00:04:03,068 and tomorrow is what we're talking about. 50 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:04,679 No. That's not the way it works. 51 00:04:09,553 --> 00:04:12,252 {\an8}I have served about seven Secretary of States. 52 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:14,166 {\an8}Maybe eight. I have to count. 53 00:04:14,297 --> 00:04:17,213 {\an8}And four American presidents. 54 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:20,999 The Middle East peace is always a very attractive proposition. 55 00:04:21,130 --> 00:04:22,697 It's a very sexy topic. 56 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:25,090 I cannot think of a Secretary of State 57 00:04:25,221 --> 00:04:27,832 that did not want to get involved in the Middle East. 58 00:04:27,963 --> 00:04:29,747 And by the way, all of them think 59 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:31,575 they can reinvent the wheel, 60 00:04:31,706 --> 00:04:34,448 and all of them think that they can 61 00:04:34,578 --> 00:04:38,278 sort of, like, ignore history and start fresh. 62 00:04:38,408 --> 00:04:39,931 It will never happen in the Middle East. 63 00:04:40,062 --> 00:04:41,759 The Middle East is all about history. 64 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:44,284 That is part of the problem. That is the curse. 65 00:05:11,876 --> 00:05:16,881 It's gonna take some really good-faith, affirmative effort 66 00:05:17,012 --> 00:05:19,536 on the part of our good friends in Israel. 67 00:05:19,667 --> 00:05:22,713 Everybody over there should know 68 00:05:22,844 --> 00:05:24,411 that the telephone number 69 00:05:24,498 --> 00:05:29,198 is 1-202-456-1414. 70 00:05:29,285 --> 00:05:31,331 When you're serious about peace, call us. 71 00:05:33,898 --> 00:05:36,684 {\an8} Jim Baker was by far, head and shoulders, 72 00:05:36,814 --> 00:05:40,078 the most effective Secretary of State with whom I worked, 73 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:43,168 because of the degree to which he understood 74 00:05:43,299 --> 00:05:45,693 how to manipulate power and to use power. 75 00:05:47,738 --> 00:05:50,088 {\an8}He and President George H.W. Bush 76 00:05:50,219 --> 00:05:52,221 {\an8}were long-standing friends, 77 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,702 {\an8}so, Baker had an incredible asset 78 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:56,921 to be able to walk into a room, 79 00:05:57,052 --> 00:06:00,447 and you literally are walking in as the United States of America. 80 00:06:03,928 --> 00:06:07,584 {\an8} It was the spring of 1991. 81 00:06:07,715 --> 00:06:10,500 {\an8}It's the end of the Cold War. 82 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:13,634 {\an8}We were the only superpower after the Gulf War. 83 00:06:13,721 --> 00:06:16,811 It was difficult for anybody to be saying no to us, 84 00:06:16,898 --> 00:06:20,075 {\an8}so I feel like there's a possibility to do something 85 00:06:20,205 --> 00:06:21,772 {\an8}with the Arabs and the Israelis. 86 00:06:31,042 --> 00:06:33,349 {\an8} It was early June of 1991 87 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,397 {\an8}where Baker thought after about three or four trips 88 00:06:37,484 --> 00:06:40,574 {\an8}that he had reached a point where he could, uh, form 89 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:42,837 {\an8}the Israeli-Arab conference. 90 00:06:42,967 --> 00:06:46,144 {\an8}And he sent a letter to the Israeli Prime Minister Shamir 91 00:06:46,275 --> 00:06:49,234 {\an8}and to the Syrian leader, President Assad, 92 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:51,454 {\an8}asking them to say yes to the idea 93 00:06:51,585 --> 00:06:53,674 {\an8}of a conference leading to negotiations. 94 00:06:53,761 --> 00:06:57,199 And they both basically said no, they weren't gonna do it. 95 00:07:01,333 --> 00:07:03,423 {\an8} Yitzhak Shamir was someone 96 00:07:03,553 --> 00:07:06,643 {\an8}who was profoundly distrustful of the Arabs. 97 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:09,080 {\an8}He felt every step was a risk. 98 00:07:09,211 --> 00:07:10,821 {\an8}He saw no benefit from his steps. 99 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:17,611 {\an8} The land of Israel, from the sea to the river, 100 00:07:17,741 --> 00:07:20,004 it's my dream. 101 00:07:20,135 --> 00:07:22,877 I am fighting for it. 102 00:07:23,007 --> 00:07:26,184 His concern was that Israel might have to give up something. 103 00:07:26,315 --> 00:07:29,492 That's the last thing he ever wanted to do, give up anything. 104 00:07:31,755 --> 00:07:34,715 {\an8}The Syrian president Assad, from his side, 105 00:07:34,845 --> 00:07:38,458 {\an8}had a very traditional Arab concern, 106 00:07:38,588 --> 00:07:41,156 {\an8}"Should we be making peace with Israel at all?" 107 00:07:41,286 --> 00:07:44,507 ASSAD 108 00:07:54,169 --> 00:07:58,695 {\an8} Baker was able to stare down Shamir and Assad. 109 00:07:58,826 --> 00:08:01,959 {\an8}We called him a consummate actor. 110 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:05,223 {\an8}And what we meant by that was that he could walk into a room, 111 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:09,184 {\an8}sense what needed to be done, and what attitude to put on, 112 00:08:09,314 --> 00:08:10,881 {\an8}and how to work the other side. 113 00:08:12,883 --> 00:08:14,711 {\an8} I remember when President Assad 114 00:08:14,842 --> 00:08:19,063 {\an8}was saying that American forces can play a role 115 00:08:19,194 --> 00:08:23,720 in pushing the Israeli forces outside the Golan Heights. 116 00:08:23,851 --> 00:08:25,679 Obviously, he knew that's not gonna happen, 117 00:08:25,766 --> 00:08:28,551 but he thought he could throw it in. 118 00:08:28,638 --> 00:08:31,946 {\an8} We were watching from, uh, behind the curtain, 119 00:08:32,076 --> 00:08:34,949 {\an8}and we could see Baker's frustration was rising. 120 00:08:35,036 --> 00:08:36,646 He got so upset, 121 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:40,345 and he said 122 00:08:40,476 --> 00:08:42,043 "Yeah, Mr. President? 123 00:08:42,173 --> 00:08:44,828 And if a frog could fly, 124 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:48,310 it wouldn't drag its balls on the ground either." 125 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,181 {\an8} 126 00:08:50,312 --> 00:08:52,096 {\an8}"Do you want me to interpret this?" 127 00:08:52,183 --> 00:08:53,968 He said, "No, I think they got the message." 128 00:08:56,405 --> 00:08:58,320 {\an8}See, in the Middle East, 129 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:01,541 {\an8}all sides would love to take America for a ride. 130 00:09:01,671 --> 00:09:03,586 There is the tendency that somehow 131 00:09:03,673 --> 00:09:05,849 maybe you can fool the Americans. 132 00:09:05,936 --> 00:09:10,375 Secretary Baker was willing to tolerate some of that, 133 00:09:10,506 --> 00:09:11,899 but not all of it. 134 00:09:14,118 --> 00:09:16,251 {\an8} So we have gotten Syrian acceptance 135 00:09:16,381 --> 00:09:17,774 {\an8}for going to a conference, 136 00:09:17,905 --> 00:09:20,211 and after we get Syrian acceptance of it, 137 00:09:22,736 --> 00:09:25,826 {\an8}"Assad only said yes because he thought I would say no." 138 00:09:25,956 --> 00:09:29,394 {\an8}Baker says, "That's right, so prove him wrong." 139 00:09:29,525 --> 00:09:31,309 {\an8} If we can create a process... 140 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:41,798 {\an8} After that trip, Baker told me, in his Texas accent, 141 00:09:41,929 --> 00:09:45,193 "In my next life, I wanna be a Middle East negotiator like you, 142 00:09:45,323 --> 00:09:48,413 because I'll be guaranteed a permanent source of employment." 143 00:09:50,938 --> 00:09:53,201 {\an8} Secretary Baker is in Jerusalem today, 144 00:09:53,331 --> 00:09:56,552 {\an8}facing the challenge of forming a Palestinian delegation. 145 00:09:56,683 --> 00:09:59,599 {\an8}Any delay will be a major setback to Baker's plans 146 00:09:59,729 --> 00:10:02,863 {\an8}for an historic Israeli-Arab peace conference. 147 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:05,126 {\an8}In his final effort to bring all parties 148 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:07,389 {\an8}to the negotiating table, 149 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:10,174 {\an8}Baker will meet with leaders from the occupied territories 150 00:10:10,305 --> 00:10:13,134 {\an8}without the green light of the PLO's leader in exile, 151 00:10:13,264 --> 00:10:14,614 {\an8}Chairman Yasser Arafat. 152 00:10:19,662 --> 00:10:21,446 {\an8} Arafat was the Palestinian cause. 153 00:10:21,577 --> 00:10:23,448 {\an8}He was the conductor, 154 00:10:23,535 --> 00:10:26,930 {\an8}and he basically was the number one, two and three 155 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:29,367 {\an8}on the Palestinian side. 156 00:10:29,498 --> 00:10:32,066 The United States and Israel were the last two countries 157 00:10:32,196 --> 00:10:34,329 who did not deal over the years with Arafat, 158 00:10:34,459 --> 00:10:37,637 {\an8}because we saw Arafat as a terrorist. 159 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:41,205 {\an8}At the same time, the whole world recognized Arafat, 160 00:10:41,336 --> 00:10:44,644 {\an8}and he was treated everywhere as a head of state. 161 00:10:47,168 --> 00:10:49,910 I said, and I say again, 162 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,175 that if the representatives on the conference 163 00:10:54,305 --> 00:10:57,831 will say that they speak 164 00:10:57,918 --> 00:11:00,660 on behalf of the PLO, 165 00:11:00,790 --> 00:11:03,053 we will not speak with them. 166 00:11:04,881 --> 00:11:06,143 {\an8} So Baker is dealing 167 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:08,145 {\an8}with this ad hoc group, 168 00:11:08,276 --> 00:11:10,800 and they were in a very challenging position, 169 00:11:10,931 --> 00:11:13,498 because they were representing the PLO, 170 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:16,066 but they couldn't say they were representing the PLO. 171 00:11:16,197 --> 00:11:18,329 {\an8} We were sitting there 172 00:11:18,416 --> 00:11:20,418 {\an8}in our consulate in East Jerusalem, 173 00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:25,423 and the PLO would not provide the names of the delegation. 174 00:11:25,554 --> 00:11:28,731 {\an8}And Baker made it very clear 175 00:11:28,862 --> 00:11:31,734 {\an8}that his frustration was rising. 176 00:11:34,041 --> 00:11:35,869 "I'm gonna-- I'm gonna slam my notebook shut, 177 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:37,697 I'm walking out of this room, 178 00:11:37,827 --> 00:11:39,742 and you're gonna orchestrate this for me." 179 00:11:39,873 --> 00:11:41,962 So in the middle of the conversation, 180 00:11:42,092 --> 00:11:44,878 bam goes the notebook, out goes Baker, 181 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:47,924 and the Palestinians are stunned. 182 00:11:48,011 --> 00:11:50,100 And I-- We said-- 183 00:11:50,231 --> 00:11:51,885 "Do you realize what's happened? 184 00:11:52,015 --> 00:11:53,887 The Secretary of State of the United States 185 00:11:54,017 --> 00:11:56,846 has just vacated the room, he's gonna take a walk." 186 00:11:56,977 --> 00:11:58,500 So they got on the phone, 187 00:11:58,630 --> 00:12:01,633 they called Tunis, Arafat gave the okay, 188 00:12:01,764 --> 00:12:06,377 Baker came back, and like a football coach in a huddle, 189 00:12:06,508 --> 00:12:09,598 put his arms around the Palestinians. 190 00:12:09,685 --> 00:12:13,167 {\an8}I'm sitting there, watching this whole thing, just amazed 191 00:12:13,297 --> 00:12:17,084 {\an8}at how a guy understands how to use his own persona, 192 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:18,433 {\an8}and theater. 193 00:12:22,654 --> 00:12:27,616 The bus is not gonna come by again, 194 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:31,098 and Palestinians have more to lose in its absence 195 00:12:31,228 --> 00:12:32,708 than do anybody else. 196 00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:54,730 {\an8} It was history in the making. 197 00:12:54,861 --> 00:12:57,298 The idea of breaking through that taboo, 198 00:12:57,428 --> 00:13:00,823 and have the Arabs and Israelis together was just unbelievable. 199 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:13,227 {\an8} For the peace team, 200 00:13:13,357 --> 00:13:16,491 {\an8}the conference was actually unimportant, 201 00:13:16,621 --> 00:13:18,319 {\an8}because it was a show. 202 00:13:18,449 --> 00:13:19,755 {\an8} A Middle East where young people 203 00:13:19,886 --> 00:13:22,323 {\an8}no longer have to dedicate... 204 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:24,455 {\an8} What was important was, 205 00:13:24,586 --> 00:13:27,284 {\an8}would there be the beginning of bilateral negotiations 206 00:13:27,415 --> 00:13:30,810 {\an8}the next day after the conference? 207 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:34,378 {\an8} If you would like me to, I'll tell you a little bit... 208 00:13:34,509 --> 00:13:36,772 {\an8}We have to crawl before we walk, 209 00:13:36,903 --> 00:13:40,167 and we have to walk before we run, 210 00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:45,259 and today, I think we all began to crawl. 211 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:48,175 {\an8} We got on the plane, we were exhausted, 212 00:13:48,305 --> 00:13:51,352 {\an8}and Baker came to our area in the airplane, 213 00:13:51,439 --> 00:13:53,528 and he said to us 214 00:13:53,658 --> 00:13:56,923 that he would probably be going back to the White House 215 00:13:57,053 --> 00:13:59,229 to help the president get reelected at some point, 216 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,144 which he did that summer. 217 00:14:01,275 --> 00:14:04,800 But he said, "Once the president is reelected, 218 00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:06,410 I'm coming back to the State Department, 219 00:14:06,541 --> 00:14:08,151 and we'll sign peace treaties." 220 00:14:10,588 --> 00:14:12,982 {\an8}And then there were elections. 221 00:14:13,069 --> 00:14:15,680 The good news was that, uh, 222 00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:19,467 Mr. Rabin won the Israeli election in June of '92, 223 00:14:19,597 --> 00:14:22,078 and the other news was that 224 00:14:22,165 --> 00:14:26,300 Mr. Bush lost the election in November of '92, 225 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:27,997 which we didn't know at the time, 226 00:14:28,128 --> 00:14:32,828 but it was to usher in a very different period ahead. 227 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:34,525 Dan Rather reporting. 228 00:14:34,612 --> 00:14:36,397 {\an8}It appears a major change 229 00:14:36,527 --> 00:14:38,268 {\an8}is coming in the government of Israel 230 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,662 {\an8}that could have far-reaching consequences 231 00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:42,882 {\an8}for the Middle East and world peace. 232 00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:45,275 A big victory for the Labor Party, 233 00:14:45,406 --> 00:14:48,061 led by former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin. 234 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:50,715 {\an8}Rabin has promised to break the logjam 235 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:51,716 {\an8}in peace talks with Arabs. 236 00:15:05,078 --> 00:15:08,559 {\an8} Israelis decided today to take risks and make compromises, 237 00:15:08,690 --> 00:15:11,388 {\an8}to perhaps change the very map of their country 238 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,477 {\an8}in an effort to make peace with their neighbors. 239 00:15:20,658 --> 00:15:23,226 {\an8} After the election, I was coming to Israel. 240 00:15:23,357 --> 00:15:25,272 I go and I see Rabin 241 00:15:25,402 --> 00:15:27,274 on a Friday afternoon. 242 00:15:27,361 --> 00:15:30,146 {\an8}And it's a couple hours before Shabbat, 243 00:15:30,277 --> 00:15:32,496 {\an8}and I say to him, "What are your plans?" 244 00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:34,194 He says, "Look, I wanna go 245 00:15:34,324 --> 00:15:36,761 for a full deal with the Palestinians." 246 00:15:36,892 --> 00:15:39,677 And so I said, "How do you plan to go about it?" 247 00:15:39,808 --> 00:15:41,288 He says, "I'm not gonna rush. 248 00:15:41,418 --> 00:15:42,985 I have to lay the groundwork. 249 00:15:43,116 --> 00:15:45,640 But, you know, I'm confident I can do it 250 00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:49,992 because I have all my boys around me here in the military." 251 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,342 I said, "Is it that important 252 00:15:52,473 --> 00:15:54,779 to have your guys in the military around you?" 253 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:58,218 He says, "I have to have that." I said, "Why?" 254 00:15:58,348 --> 00:16:01,308 He said, "When I take the steps that we'll have to take 255 00:16:01,438 --> 00:16:03,440 {\an8}to resolve this with the Palestinians, 256 00:16:03,571 --> 00:16:05,703 {\an8}I'm afraid we could have a civil war, 257 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,358 {\an8}and I need to have my guys. 258 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:11,709 You know, they trust me, and I trust them. 259 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,711 And I need them when I face that." 260 00:16:13,842 --> 00:16:15,104 Whoa! 261 00:16:15,235 --> 00:16:17,759 I'll tell you, it was a wow for me too. 262 00:16:17,846 --> 00:16:19,326 You know, he used "civil war." 263 00:16:19,456 --> 00:16:20,892 I said, "I don't-- 264 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,504 I don't fully know what that means." 265 00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:25,897 But, I mean, he expects 266 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:27,769 there's gonna be full-born battles 267 00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:29,510 internally within Israel. 268 00:16:36,604 --> 00:16:39,215 {\an8} When Bill Clinton was elected president, 269 00:16:39,346 --> 00:16:41,739 {\an8}he asked me to go in with him to the White House 270 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:44,916 to be his Middle East adviser. 271 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:48,398 And I told him, "Everything is coming together in a way 272 00:16:48,485 --> 00:16:50,226 that you will have a chance 273 00:16:50,357 --> 00:16:53,490 to achieve four peace agreements in your first term." 274 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:56,145 {\an8}And he looked at me, and said, "I want to do that." 275 00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:02,456 {\an8} ...in my judgment are the precondition... 276 00:17:02,543 --> 00:17:05,328 {\an8} The first visit of Rabin to the United States, 277 00:17:05,415 --> 00:17:07,243 {\an8}he has his meetings with the president 278 00:17:07,374 --> 00:17:09,724 {\an8}and Warren Christopher, the Secretary of State. 279 00:17:09,854 --> 00:17:13,206 {\an8}But he also asks for a meeting with the peace team 280 00:17:13,336 --> 00:17:14,990 without the Secretary of State, 281 00:17:15,121 --> 00:17:17,210 just with us, which was very unusual. 282 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:23,259 {\an8}And what we heard was a Rabin monologue. 283 00:17:23,346 --> 00:17:26,915 {\an8}He spent an inordinate amount of time thinking out loud 284 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:31,093 {\an8}of why the Palestinian delegation to the peace talks 285 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:33,704 {\an8}was not empowered to make decisions, 286 00:17:33,835 --> 00:17:37,012 {\an8}and therefore there would be no progress, 287 00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:40,885 {\an8}why Yasser Arafat and the PLO 288 00:17:41,016 --> 00:17:42,844 {\an8}had the power to make decisions, 289 00:17:42,974 --> 00:17:44,280 {\an8}but he didn't trust them. 290 00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:48,502 He basically said to us, 291 00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:52,071 "No Palestinians can make any decisions without the PLO." 292 00:17:52,158 --> 00:17:54,856 Which meant... We actually asked him, 293 00:17:54,986 --> 00:17:56,684 "Does that mean you'll deal with the PLO?" 294 00:17:56,814 --> 00:17:58,294 He says, "No." 295 00:17:58,381 --> 00:18:00,644 I remember leaving 296 00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:03,038 "He's gonna deal with the PLO. Not now, but it's coming." 297 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:09,697 {\an8} The policy from the American point of view 298 00:18:09,827 --> 00:18:11,481 {\an8}was Syria first, for several reasons. 299 00:18:11,612 --> 00:18:14,745 {\an8}The issues were relatively uncomplicated. 300 00:18:14,876 --> 00:18:16,791 {\an8}The Golan Heights was not a simple issue, 301 00:18:16,921 --> 00:18:19,707 {\an8}but it was just a territorial issue. 302 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:22,710 Palestinians, on the other hand, 303 00:18:22,797 --> 00:18:26,279 had the PLO as their supposed sole legitimate representative. 304 00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:28,455 We had no ability to deal with the PLO. 305 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:33,286 We had legislation that was up to here on preventing 306 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,549 any kind of official engagement with the PLO. 307 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:38,378 It was a terrorist organization on our terrorist list. 308 00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:41,207 {\an8}And Secretary of State Christopher believed 309 00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:44,123 {\an8}that there was a chance to make an Israeli-Syrian peace deal. 310 00:18:47,082 --> 00:18:49,693 {\an8} Warren Christopher and I, we were going out to Israel. 311 00:18:49,824 --> 00:18:51,434 {\an8}We get into a meeting, 312 00:18:51,565 --> 00:18:54,133 {\an8}and Rabin wants only the two of us, 313 00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:56,178 {\an8}not the rest of the American delegation. 314 00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:59,964 {\an8}And he says, "I want now to go for a deal with Syria. 315 00:19:00,095 --> 00:19:03,185 {\an8}Let's see if Assad is prepared to do it. 316 00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:05,883 I'm prepared to put in your pocket, not to give to him. 317 00:19:06,014 --> 00:19:08,538 It has to be completely secret. 318 00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:11,106 If it comes out now, I'll deny it." 319 00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:13,108 But he says he's prepared to commit 320 00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:15,154 to full withdrawal from the Golan Heights. 321 00:19:18,505 --> 00:19:20,071 {\an8} So we had in our pocket 322 00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:22,813 {\an8}the critical ingredient for a peace deal, 323 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:24,728 {\an8}that Israel was ready to withdraw 324 00:19:24,859 --> 00:19:26,730 {\an8}from the Golan Heights. 325 00:19:26,861 --> 00:19:29,385 Rabin said, "It's in your pocket. You can't take it out 326 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:32,606 until Assad meets my requirements 327 00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:35,957 for security arrangements, normalization and real peace." 328 00:19:37,698 --> 00:19:38,829 Good morning. 329 00:19:42,311 --> 00:19:44,052 {\an8} When we get to Damascus, 330 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:46,620 {\an8}we ask Assad to have a one-on-one meeting, 331 00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:48,752 {\an8}but Assad wanted to have two on his side. 332 00:19:51,059 --> 00:19:52,974 {\an8} 333 00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:54,715 "Rabin has made it clear, 334 00:19:54,845 --> 00:19:57,413 if this leaks out, he denies it ever existed." 335 00:19:57,544 --> 00:20:01,287 And Assad said, "Anyone who would leak this 336 00:20:01,417 --> 00:20:04,333 would be damaging Syria's national interests, 337 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:06,596 and they know what the consequences are 338 00:20:06,727 --> 00:20:09,338 for damaging Syria's national interests." 339 00:20:09,469 --> 00:20:12,994 He said it just that way. It was chilling. 340 00:20:13,081 --> 00:20:15,039 {\an8}I mean, it was really chilling. 341 00:20:18,086 --> 00:20:19,696 {\an8}Then we talk about the pocket 342 00:20:19,783 --> 00:20:21,959 {\an8}and it becomes clear pretty quickly, 343 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:25,049 he's taken what's in our pocket and he's prepared to pocket it, 344 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:28,183 and now what is important to Rabin is negotiable. 345 00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:29,967 What he got, he got. 346 00:20:30,098 --> 00:20:32,274 {\an8}And so he wants to know 347 00:20:32,405 --> 00:20:36,191 {\an8}why Rabin wants five years for the time of withdrawal. 348 00:20:36,322 --> 00:20:38,628 He doesn't like the term "normalization." 349 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:40,413 Normal peaceful relations. 350 00:20:40,543 --> 00:20:42,806 {\an8}Everything is kind of grudging. 351 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,463 {\an8}When we come back 352 00:20:47,550 --> 00:20:49,683 {\an8}and present to Rabin what was the discussion, 353 00:20:49,813 --> 00:20:51,728 {\an8}and by definition, we put the best face on it. 354 00:20:54,383 --> 00:20:59,127 {\an8} Rabin was furious at us for mishandling the deposit. 355 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,739 Because Rabin gives this 356 00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:06,395 extraordinary commitment to Christopher, 357 00:21:06,482 --> 00:21:09,398 does not want Christopher to give it to Assad, 358 00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:12,227 wants Christopher to put it in his pocket, 359 00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:15,099 and wants Christopher to elicit from Assad 360 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:17,232 a parallel commitment, 361 00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:19,452 which he puts in his other pocket, 362 00:21:19,582 --> 00:21:21,976 and then at some point 363 00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:25,719 "Hey, folks, we have a conceptual agreement." 364 00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:29,636 And instead, Christopher gives away the Israeli bottom line. 365 00:21:33,509 --> 00:21:37,208 {\an8} It's just worth noting how skillful Rabin was 366 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:38,732 {\an8}with outmaneuvering everybody. 367 00:21:41,474 --> 00:21:44,999 {\an8}He said to us after we came back from Damascus 368 00:21:45,086 --> 00:21:47,567 {\an8}that we needed to keep working it. 369 00:21:47,697 --> 00:21:49,438 {\an8}He went out in the press conference, 370 00:21:49,569 --> 00:21:52,180 and said, "Good news from Damascus." 371 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:56,837 You have brought good news. It's only the beginning. 372 00:21:56,967 --> 00:21:59,492 {\an8} I remember, when he said it, I looked at Dennis, 373 00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,276 {\an8}said, "What is he doing?" 374 00:22:01,407 --> 00:22:03,757 {\an8}We didn't know that at the same time 375 00:22:03,887 --> 00:22:05,541 {\an8}there was an official negotiation going on 376 00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:07,717 {\an8}between Israel and the PLO in Oslo. 377 00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:09,763 {\an8}So we didn't understand 378 00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:12,548 {\an8}that Rabin was pressuring Arafat at that point. 379 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:14,898 {\an8}It was only discovered afterwards. 380 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:16,465 {\an8} 381 00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:18,902 "I heard that the Oslo deal is completed." 382 00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:22,210 And we said, "Oh, yeah, sure, of course," you know. 383 00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:25,300 I've been much impressed with the serious engagement 384 00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:27,346 of all the parties we've been meeting with... 385 00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:29,260 {\an8} It suited him to act 386 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:31,654 {\an8}as if there was real progress on the Syrian track, 387 00:22:31,785 --> 00:22:35,876 because the more it looked like the Syrian track was moving, 388 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:40,315 the more Arafat would feel he better move, or Assad-- 389 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:42,709 And Assad and Arafat were sworn enemies. 390 00:22:42,796 --> 00:22:44,754 Or Assad was gonna steal a match on him. 391 00:22:44,885 --> 00:22:49,019 {\an8}And so we went all off for our summer holidays, 392 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:53,023 {\an8}and Dennis calls me from San Francisco. 393 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:56,549 He says, "Pack your bags." It was the middle of the night. 394 00:22:56,679 --> 00:23:00,248 "We're gonna have a ceremony at the White House 395 00:23:00,335 --> 00:23:01,989 for an Israeli-Palestinian agreement." 396 00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:05,427 I was in shock. 397 00:23:05,558 --> 00:23:08,343 I said, you know, "You've gotta be joking." 398 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:11,302 {\an8}Rabin and Peres went off, 399 00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:13,435 {\an8}essentially behind our backs, 400 00:23:13,522 --> 00:23:15,394 {\an8}did the deal with the Palestinians. 401 00:23:21,617 --> 00:23:25,099 {\an8} Peres comes to see us with the declaration of principles. 402 00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:26,970 {\an8}While we've been getting the briefing, 403 00:23:27,101 --> 00:23:28,537 {\an8}I'm also going through it. 404 00:23:42,812 --> 00:23:45,598 When I finish, Christopher says, "What do you think?" 405 00:23:45,728 --> 00:23:49,210 And I said, "I think two very different things. 406 00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:51,691 First, this is a historic breakthrough. 407 00:23:51,821 --> 00:23:55,085 These are two national movements competing for the same space. 408 00:23:55,216 --> 00:23:58,132 They haven't been prepared to recognize each other. 409 00:23:58,262 --> 00:24:02,310 {\an8}And here's a document that has them recognizing each other. 410 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:03,703 {\an8}And we should embrace it." 411 00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:11,841 {\an8}Then I said to him, "But it's aspirational. 412 00:24:11,972 --> 00:24:14,757 Nothing is concrete here. 413 00:24:14,888 --> 00:24:17,412 So the real hard work will begin now. 414 00:24:17,543 --> 00:24:19,806 But a historic threshold is being crossed, 415 00:24:19,936 --> 00:24:22,243 because you're taking what was an existential conflict 416 00:24:22,373 --> 00:24:23,810 and you're turning it 417 00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:25,855 into a political conflict. That's huge." 418 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:28,292 {\an8}Christopher said, "The president will love this." 419 00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:35,125 Morning. 420 00:24:37,998 --> 00:24:40,783 Ladies and gentlemen, 421 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,959 today marks a shining moment of hope 422 00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:45,135 for the people of the Middle East 423 00:24:45,222 --> 00:24:47,311 and indeed of the entire world. 424 00:24:47,442 --> 00:24:49,662 The Israelis and the Palestinians 425 00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:52,491 have now agreed upon a declaration of principles, 426 00:24:52,621 --> 00:24:55,363 on interim self-government that opens the door 427 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,758 to a comprehensive and lasting settlement. 428 00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:00,542 The signing ceremony will take place 429 00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:01,848 at the White House on Monday. 430 00:25:05,286 --> 00:25:07,897 {\an8} For Yasser Arafat, the invitation to Washington 431 00:25:08,028 --> 00:25:09,986 {\an8}is the culmination of years of struggle 432 00:25:10,073 --> 00:25:12,467 {\an8}to gain international acceptance. 433 00:25:12,598 --> 00:25:14,991 {\an8}When he steps out to the White House lawn on Monday, 434 00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:17,037 {\an8}he hopes to shake off his guerrilla past 435 00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:18,081 {\an8}once and for all. 436 00:25:22,172 --> 00:25:24,610 The president asked me to find out 437 00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:28,875 whether Rabin would agree to shake Arafat's hand. 438 00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:32,487 So I went to Eitan Haber, Rabin's chief of staff. 439 00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:35,751 {\an8}And he said, "Well, Rabin agrees to shake his hand, 440 00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:38,014 {\an8}but he has three conditions. 441 00:25:38,145 --> 00:25:40,016 No gun, 442 00:25:40,147 --> 00:25:41,801 no uniform, 443 00:25:41,888 --> 00:25:43,280 and no kissing." 444 00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:48,242 {\an8} PLO leader Yasser Arafat 445 00:25:48,372 --> 00:25:50,418 {\an8}arrived here in Washington, D.C. this afternoon. 446 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:51,985 {\an8}He is scheduled to take part 447 00:25:52,115 --> 00:25:53,856 {\an8}in tomorrow morning's signing ceremony 448 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:56,424 {\an8}for the Middle East peace agreement. 449 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:58,208 {\an8}We'll now take a look at his arrival. 450 00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:04,258 We went to see Arafat, tried to convince him 451 00:26:04,388 --> 00:26:08,175 {\an8}and persuade him that he simply cannot carry a gun. 452 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:12,048 So he wanted to say, "Can I have the holster without the gun?" 453 00:26:12,179 --> 00:26:14,137 And we said, "That won't work, either." 454 00:26:15,922 --> 00:26:17,358 {\an8} The kissing issue, 455 00:26:17,488 --> 00:26:19,578 {\an8}I delegated to Ed Djerejian, 456 00:26:19,708 --> 00:26:21,710 who was the one who had to go out 457 00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,713 to Andrews Air Force Base to greet Arafat. 458 00:26:24,844 --> 00:26:26,889 And I said, "You've got to figure out 459 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:29,718 a way to stop Arafat from kissing you. 460 00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:31,328 Because if he kisses you, the game's up. 461 00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:33,983 He'll end up kissing everybody." 462 00:26:34,114 --> 00:26:37,552 So Ed figured out a way to shake hands with Arafat 463 00:26:37,683 --> 00:26:39,815 where he shook hands with one hand 464 00:26:39,946 --> 00:26:44,646 and held him at arm's length with the other on his bicep, 465 00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:47,431 and it looked like it was a warm embrace. 466 00:26:47,562 --> 00:26:51,131 {\an8}The next morning, we coached the president 467 00:26:51,261 --> 00:26:55,178 {\an8}on how to do this double-handed handshake. 468 00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:58,225 {\an8}I have this wonderful photograph of him practicing 469 00:26:58,312 --> 00:27:00,706 {\an8}with the national security adviser, Tony Lake. 470 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:05,841 So the kissing was solved. 471 00:27:05,972 --> 00:27:08,365 The question then was the uniform. 472 00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:12,152 {\an8}And Arafat always wore this, what looked like a uniform. 473 00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:13,762 {\an8}He never was seen in anything else. 474 00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:16,286 {\an8}It was part of his kind of image. 475 00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:20,116 {\an8}So I talked to Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador, 476 00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:22,510 {\an8}and Bandar went to Arafat, 477 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,513 "You cannot come to the ceremony in a uniform. 478 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,864 And I have arranged for my tailor to be at your hotel room. 479 00:27:28,995 --> 00:27:31,171 He will make you a beautiful suit 480 00:27:31,258 --> 00:27:33,216 that you'll be able to wear tomorrow." 481 00:27:33,347 --> 00:27:35,262 So, Arafat says, "Oh, okay." 482 00:27:35,349 --> 00:27:39,222 And they go to his hotel room, and there's the tailor. 483 00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:45,228 Arafat takes off his uniform and put on this suit coat, 484 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,841 at which point everybody bursts out laughing. 485 00:27:48,971 --> 00:27:50,973 As soon as they laughed at him, 486 00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:54,411 he realized that this was gonna be humiliation for him. 487 00:27:54,542 --> 00:27:56,413 {\an8}So he said, "Forget about it." 488 00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:58,851 {\an8}Sent the tailor away, sent Bandar away. 489 00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:01,680 {\an8}But Bandar never called me and told me. 490 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:05,161 {\an8}So the next morning, when Arafat and Rabin 491 00:28:05,248 --> 00:28:08,034 {\an8}are supposed to be on their way to the White House, 492 00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:10,950 and there's a phone call from Eitan Haber, 493 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,606 saying, "Rabin is watching Arafat get into his limousine, 494 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:19,567 {\an8}and he's wearing a uniform, and Rabin is not coming." 495 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,917 I got the Situation Room to track down Bandar, 496 00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:25,573 who was at that moment in the car with Arafat. 497 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:28,054 I said, "He's not wearing a uniform, is he?" 498 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,536 "Uh... Uh... Uh... 499 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,103 Uh, it's a safari suit." 500 00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:39,369 {\an8}I said, "Safari suit? Oh, okay. 501 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:41,763 {\an8}Are there medals on this safari suit?" 502 00:28:41,894 --> 00:28:44,287 {\an8}He says, "Uh, no, no. No medals, no medals." 503 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:48,988 So I get Eitan on the other line. 504 00:28:49,118 --> 00:28:51,294 He said, "Wait a minute." He goes, comes back. 505 00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:53,296 He says, "All right. Rabin is coming." 506 00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:57,300 - How are you, sir? - How are you? 507 00:29:18,104 --> 00:29:19,148 {\an8} Arafat is beaming. 508 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,977 {\an8}For him, he's arrived. 509 00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:25,024 He's at the White House. The whole world is watching him. 510 00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:27,243 {\an8}You know, he's just beaming. He's happy. 511 00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:33,206 {\an8} It's going to be very difficult. 512 00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:35,208 {\an8} Look, we've just got to try... 513 00:29:35,338 --> 00:29:37,340 {\an8} The president, when he's alone with him, 514 00:29:37,471 --> 00:29:38,907 {\an8}says, "We need a handshake." 515 00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:42,215 {\an8}And Rabin is like, just, you know, his... 516 00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:46,349 He can't hide how uncomfortable he is. 517 00:29:48,656 --> 00:29:50,876 {\an8}This was emotionally wrenching for Rabin, 518 00:29:51,006 --> 00:29:53,356 {\an8}knowing he was going to have to shake Arafat's hand. 519 00:29:57,056 --> 00:29:59,101 {\an8} Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Arafat, 520 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,147 {\an8}chairman of the Executive Council 521 00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:04,019 {\an8}of the Palestine Liberation Organization, 522 00:30:04,106 --> 00:30:07,806 {\an8}His Excellency Yitzhak Rabin, prime minister of Israel, 523 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,590 the president of the United States. 524 00:30:47,323 --> 00:30:50,152 Let me say to you, the Palestinians, 525 00:30:50,283 --> 00:30:54,722 we, the soldiers who have returned from battles, 526 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,203 stained with blood, 527 00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:00,859 we who have come from a land 528 00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:04,210 where parents bury their children, 529 00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:06,908 we say to you today 530 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,433 in a loud and a clear voice, 531 00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:14,046 enough of blood and tears. 532 00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:15,264 Enough. 533 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:51,474 {\an8} I went to see Arafat in Tunis. 534 00:31:52,606 --> 00:31:54,260 {\an8}I go into his office. 535 00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:57,916 I walk in, and the guys around him are sitting there, 536 00:31:58,003 --> 00:31:59,830 {\an8}watching the TV show The Golden Girls. 537 00:31:59,961 --> 00:32:02,311 {\an8} Stan and I went through a period where we had 538 00:32:02,442 --> 00:32:04,096 {\an8}no marital relations at all. 539 00:32:04,226 --> 00:32:06,446 {\an8}I totally cut off his sex. 540 00:32:06,576 --> 00:32:09,362 {\an8}You mean it grows back? 541 00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:11,451 The Golden Girls {\an8} is an American show. 542 00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,932 {\an8}They're effectively Jewish, and they live in Miami. 543 00:32:17,283 --> 00:32:19,111 {\an8}I turn to the people with me, 544 00:32:19,241 --> 00:32:21,243 "These guys are revolutionaries, 545 00:32:21,374 --> 00:32:23,767 and they're watching {\an8} The Golden Girls?" 546 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:25,856 Arafat comes in. He apologizes for being late. 547 00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:30,818 And it begins what is a tradition. 548 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,168 Every meeting with him is a meal. 549 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:36,389 {\an8}And the first entrée is not only chicken, 550 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,652 {\an8}but he insists on cutting my chicken for me. 551 00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:41,698 I said, "The last person who cut my meals for me was my mother. 552 00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:43,352 It's been a long time." 553 00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,441 I'm watching {\an8}The Golden Girls. 554 00:32:45,528 --> 00:32:48,836 He's cutting my meal. There's a Jewish mother syndrome here. 555 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,447 {\an8}But what I see in this first meeting 556 00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:54,885 {\an8}is that Arafat has a completely different concept 557 00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:56,365 {\an8}of what the Oslo agreement is. 558 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,457 Everything that he discussed is about independence 559 00:33:01,544 --> 00:33:03,416 and the symbols of independence. 560 00:33:03,546 --> 00:33:06,506 So I immediately see that there's a huge conceptual gap 561 00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:07,986 between the two sides. 562 00:33:12,251 --> 00:33:14,122 {\an8} For the Palestinians, 563 00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:20,389 the Oslo agreement was supposed to be an interim short period 564 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,610 that would lead them to establish their own states. 565 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:27,875 And on the Israeli side, it was a testing period, if you will. 566 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:31,357 If you do one, two, three, we might give you four, five, six. 567 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:32,923 If you don't, then we will halt. 568 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,622 It was based, like many other agreements, 569 00:33:35,752 --> 00:33:40,018 on that diplomatic tool called "constructive ambiguity." 570 00:33:40,148 --> 00:33:43,586 I think it should be called "destructive ambiguity," 571 00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:46,285 because sooner or later, 572 00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:49,636 the points of differences will come back to haunt you. 573 00:33:49,723 --> 00:33:54,119 I remember at one point, 574 00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:56,251 {\an8}"Every line of that agreement 575 00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:59,124 {\an8}needs a thousand page to explain it." 576 00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:07,697 There was ambiguity 577 00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:11,397 about what the endgame was going to look like. 578 00:34:11,527 --> 00:34:13,486 It didn't spell out 579 00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:17,011 what the ultimate resolution of the conflict would look like. 580 00:34:17,098 --> 00:34:20,275 These two negotiating partners were in different universes. 581 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,801 {\an8}Arafat was never a negotiator. 582 00:34:24,932 --> 00:34:26,629 {\an8}And for him, the breakthrough 583 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,894 of getting recognition of the PLO 584 00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:33,071 meant that everything else was unimportant. 585 00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:35,508 And I think it is right that he believed 586 00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:39,077 that over time, things would develop his way. 587 00:34:39,207 --> 00:34:41,122 {\an8}And as a result of this position, 588 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:44,865 {\an8}he got a very weak Swiss cheese declaration. 589 00:34:50,305 --> 00:34:52,177 {\an8}So from the Israeli perspective, 590 00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:56,268 it was a significant negotiating victory, 591 00:34:56,398 --> 00:35:00,054 because Rabin and Israel didn't have to face 592 00:35:00,185 --> 00:35:02,535 any of the issues that were hard for them. 593 00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:06,582 {\an8}No mention of Jerusalem. No mention of settlements. 594 00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:09,542 {\an8}No mention of territorial jurisdiction. 595 00:35:09,672 --> 00:35:12,719 {\an8}And no mention of a state as an outcome. 596 00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:18,246 {\an8} The Oslo agreement 597 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:20,640 is not an agreement that we would have negotiated. 598 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:23,773 It left too much to an implementation process 599 00:35:23,904 --> 00:35:26,820 in which both sides were able to basically 600 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,691 not fulfill their obligations, 601 00:35:28,778 --> 00:35:33,131 and that really ate away at the core of the bargain. 602 00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:40,747 {\an8} A settler opened fire with an automatic rifle 603 00:35:40,877 --> 00:35:43,967 {\an8}in a crowded mosque in the West Bank town of Hebron. 604 00:35:44,098 --> 00:35:45,882 {\an8}At least 40 Palestinians were killed, 605 00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:47,971 {\an8}scores more wounded. 606 00:35:48,102 --> 00:35:49,582 {\an8} The aftermath of a house of prayer 607 00:35:49,712 --> 00:35:52,106 {\an8}transformed into a slaughterhouse. 608 00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:54,282 {\an8} The killer, an American-born Jew, Baruch Goldstein... 609 00:35:54,413 --> 00:35:56,763 People who know him say he was dead set 610 00:35:56,893 --> 00:35:59,548 against the Israeli-PLO peace process, 611 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:03,204 filled with hate for Arabs, and out for revenge. 612 00:36:03,335 --> 00:36:05,293 The Goldstein massacre was the equivalent 613 00:36:05,424 --> 00:36:07,861 of a heart attack for the Oslo process. 614 00:36:07,991 --> 00:36:11,343 {\an8}After that, the Israelis were constantly buffeted 615 00:36:11,473 --> 00:36:12,605 {\an8}by suicide bombings. 616 00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:17,914 {\an8} A bomb blast in central Tel Aviv 617 00:36:18,045 --> 00:36:20,265 {\an8}has killed more than 20 people. 618 00:36:20,395 --> 00:36:23,311 A terrorist attack would take place while we were sleeping. 619 00:36:23,442 --> 00:36:26,401 I would wake up, drive straight into work, 620 00:36:26,532 --> 00:36:28,534 get on the phone with Dennis on the way in, 621 00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:31,624 and we'd talk about what is it now we can do 622 00:36:31,754 --> 00:36:34,148 to try to get the process back on track? 623 00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:44,071 {\an8} We do the first implementing agreement 624 00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:45,855 {\an8}with the Palestinians on May 4th, 625 00:36:45,942 --> 00:36:48,641 {\an8}the Gaza-Jericho Agreement. 626 00:36:48,728 --> 00:36:50,947 {\an8}It means you're gonna have the Palestinian Authority 627 00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:52,775 {\an8}set up in Gaza and in Jericho. 628 00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:58,564 {\an8}We have a three-way meeting, 629 00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:02,829 and we resolve what is the two final issues. 630 00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:05,701 {\an8}One has to do with the size of the Jericho district, 631 00:37:05,832 --> 00:37:08,182 {\an8}and the other has to do with the Allenby Bridge, 632 00:37:08,313 --> 00:37:10,663 {\an8}whether the Palestinians can have a policeman there. 633 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:13,187 And in each case, Rabin agrees 634 00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:15,320 that he will consider each of these issues. 635 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:18,279 He won't agree to it now, but he agrees he'll consider them, 636 00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:20,194 and that's good enough for Arafat. 637 00:37:20,325 --> 00:37:21,804 Then at 2 in the morning, suddenly, 638 00:37:21,935 --> 00:37:24,198 Arafat raises those same two issues again, 639 00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:26,244 and Amnon Shahak starts to laugh. 640 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:29,029 And Arafat says... 641 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:30,813 "Am I a joke? 642 00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:32,641 Do you think I'm a joke?" 643 00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:35,296 And Rabin puts his hands up like this, 644 00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:37,820 and says, "No, we take you very seriously." 645 00:37:40,083 --> 00:37:42,608 {\an8}Just like that. 646 00:37:42,738 --> 00:37:44,653 {\an8}And you could see it calms Arafat down. 647 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:55,621 {\an8} Israel's fragile peace process with the PLO 648 00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:58,580 {\an8}suffered a major blow today, one that even... 649 00:37:58,711 --> 00:38:01,148 {\an8} Dozens of Israeli soldiers were at this bus stop 650 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:03,237 {\an8}at about 9:30 a.m. 651 00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:05,979 {\an8}when a suicide attacker detonated the first bomb. 652 00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:09,156 {\an8} Two militant Muslim groups which oppose the peace process, 653 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:12,377 {\an8}Islamic Jihad and Hamas, claimed responsibility. 654 00:38:14,683 --> 00:38:16,990 {\an8} Prime Minister Rabin visited the site 655 00:38:17,077 --> 00:38:20,515 {\an8}and was loudly heckled by onlookers calling him a traitor 656 00:38:20,646 --> 00:38:22,474 {\an8}for pursuing peace with the Palestinians. 657 00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:36,314 One Shabbat afternoon, I'm-I'm with him. 658 00:38:36,444 --> 00:38:38,272 {\an8}And there was a demonstration outside 659 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:41,580 {\an8}of his apartment, you know, in Tel Aviv. 660 00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:43,495 {\an8}He was on the top floor and... 661 00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:45,540 We're sitting there, and you could hear it. 662 00:38:50,197 --> 00:38:53,026 And he can tell I'm a little bit distracted by it, 663 00:38:53,156 --> 00:38:56,159 and he says, "Dennis, don't worry. 664 00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:58,074 It's not about you. It's about me." 665 00:38:58,205 --> 00:39:03,906 CROWD 666 00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:05,473 Yeah, we're working hard. 667 00:39:05,604 --> 00:39:06,953 We're gonna work hard. 668 00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:10,086 Things looks quite tough, Mr. Ross. 669 00:39:10,217 --> 00:39:12,350 CROWD 670 00:39:23,535 --> 00:39:25,101 {\an8} I was increasingly worried 671 00:39:25,232 --> 00:39:27,365 {\an8}about the stability of Rabin's government. 672 00:39:27,495 --> 00:39:29,628 {\an8}I saw what the mood in Israel was. 673 00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:33,022 {\an8}I saw a mood that was increasingly ugly. 674 00:39:33,153 --> 00:39:36,374 I was worried about what was happening with Israel. 675 00:39:36,504 --> 00:39:39,812 I was worried about the strength of the right. 676 00:39:50,518 --> 00:39:55,697 CROWD 677 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:59,962 {\an8} It made me think of what Rabin had said to me, 678 00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:01,964 {\an8}that the potential for a civil war was there. 679 00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:05,968 ALL 680 00:40:10,669 --> 00:40:12,279 {\an8} There's a point at which 681 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,629 {\an8}Arafat does a serious set of arrests. 682 00:40:14,716 --> 00:40:17,284 He doesn't arrest a lot of people and then release them. 683 00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:18,764 He does a serious set of arrests, 684 00:40:18,894 --> 00:40:22,289 and he keeps it this way for a while. 685 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,422 {\an8}Rabin says to me, "Look, Arafat is doing things 686 00:40:24,552 --> 00:40:25,727 {\an8}that are hard for him." 687 00:40:25,858 --> 00:40:27,468 He says, "I know I have to give up 688 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,296 more than the other side. 689 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,037 I need to know they're prepared 690 00:40:31,167 --> 00:40:32,691 to do things that are hard for them." 691 00:40:36,956 --> 00:40:39,001 {\an8}The closer we get to the interim agreement, 692 00:40:39,132 --> 00:40:40,699 {\an8}the more he begins to say to me 693 00:40:40,786 --> 00:40:43,179 {\an8}that Arafat is actually taking steps, 694 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:46,792 {\an8}and I can see that something changes in the relationship. 695 00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:57,629 {\an8} September '95 was when Arafat, Rabin, 696 00:40:57,716 --> 00:41:00,196 {\an8}Mubarak and King Hussein of Jordan 697 00:41:00,327 --> 00:41:02,808 {\an8}all came to Washington 698 00:41:02,895 --> 00:41:05,463 {\an8}for the signing ceremony of the Oslo II agreement. 699 00:41:08,378 --> 00:41:11,425 {\an8}This was a moment when the Israelis and Palestinians 700 00:41:11,556 --> 00:41:13,209 {\an8}put together the Oslo II Accord, 701 00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:15,168 which was immensely complicated, 702 00:41:15,298 --> 00:41:17,518 because it provided for the establishment 703 00:41:17,649 --> 00:41:19,520 of the Palestinian Authority, 704 00:41:19,607 --> 00:41:22,915 and giving it control, in effect, sovereignty, 705 00:41:23,045 --> 00:41:25,831 over 40 percent of the West Bank. 706 00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:29,095 {\an8}The major towns and cities of the West Bank 707 00:41:29,225 --> 00:41:31,053 {\an8}would come under Arafat's control, 708 00:41:31,184 --> 00:41:32,664 {\an8}so it was a big deal. 709 00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:38,365 {\an8} It meant at the time 710 00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:41,629 the core of a state in the West Bank was now going to exist. 711 00:41:44,806 --> 00:41:46,504 {\an8}I also saw something change 712 00:41:46,634 --> 00:41:49,376 {\an8}in the relationship between these two men. 713 00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:52,727 {\an8}Rabin's approach to Arafat was totally different. 714 00:41:52,858 --> 00:41:54,903 {\an8}Here, he's at ease with Arafat. 715 00:41:56,905 --> 00:42:00,996 In fact, there's a moment before the deal is concluded 716 00:42:01,127 --> 00:42:05,348 {\an8}where the leaders are sitting together in the Oval Office, 717 00:42:05,479 --> 00:42:07,133 and I get a message from outside 718 00:42:07,263 --> 00:42:09,918 that the negotiators need to see me. 719 00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:12,007 So I go outside the Oval Office. 720 00:42:12,138 --> 00:42:13,922 They're saying, "We have one last issue. 721 00:42:14,053 --> 00:42:15,576 It has to do with the location 722 00:42:15,663 --> 00:42:17,491 of a whether or not the Palestinians 723 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,189 will have a police station near Hebron." 724 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,104 And they said, "We can't resolve this. 725 00:42:22,235 --> 00:42:23,758 Only the leaders can resolve it." 726 00:42:23,845 --> 00:42:26,631 So I go back in, and in front of everybody, 727 00:42:26,761 --> 00:42:28,589 "Look, Mr. President, I need to borrow 728 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,374 the prime minister and the chairman." 729 00:42:34,421 --> 00:42:36,423 {\an8}The president has, next to the Oval Office, 730 00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:39,165 {\an8}a small dining room, so we go over there. 731 00:42:41,384 --> 00:42:42,560 {\an8}And I explain the issue. 732 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:56,269 {\an8}And before Rabin can say anything, 733 00:42:56,399 --> 00:42:58,401 {\an8}"What's ever acceptable to the prime minister." 734 00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:00,882 {\an8}Just like that. 735 00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:05,800 {\an8}And Rabin looks at me, looks at him, 736 00:43:05,931 --> 00:43:08,629 {\an8}"We will have a police station there." 737 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,153 {\an8}And they shake hands, and that was it. 738 00:43:21,686 --> 00:43:25,254 {\an8} Arafat and Rabin left the room. 739 00:43:25,385 --> 00:43:30,042 Arafat put his arm across Rabin's back. 740 00:43:32,479 --> 00:43:35,482 {\an8}And I thought that really captured that moment 741 00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:38,311 {\an8}where they had moved from being adversaries 742 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:39,747 {\an8}to partners in peace. 743 00:43:39,878 --> 00:43:41,793 {\an8} I believe I can find Jericho, 744 00:43:41,923 --> 00:43:44,056 {\an8}but otherwise, I don't know much about this... 745 00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:51,977 {\an8} That night, there was a reception 746 00:43:52,107 --> 00:43:54,849 {\an8}for the Arab American and American Jewish communities 747 00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:58,374 {\an8}at the Corcoran Gallery across from the White House, 748 00:43:58,505 --> 00:44:02,814 {\an8}and Arafat gave a very reasonable speech. 749 00:44:02,944 --> 00:44:05,251 {\an8}This was a speech about his Jewish cousins 750 00:44:05,381 --> 00:44:07,993 {\an8}and how peace was necessary. 751 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,256 {\an8}And Rabin then got up, 752 00:44:10,386 --> 00:44:11,823 {\an8}"You know, Mr. Chairman..." 753 00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:16,044 In our tradition, there is a saying that... 754 00:44:16,131 --> 00:44:18,220 What is a Jewish sport? 755 00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:20,832 Speechmaking. 756 00:44:24,618 --> 00:44:27,447 I start to believe, Chairman Arafat... 757 00:44:29,144 --> 00:44:31,146 that you are close to be Jewish. 758 00:44:35,585 --> 00:44:37,239 But then Rabin went on to say, 759 00:44:39,459 --> 00:44:41,983 for the first time, "The Palestinians need a state." 760 00:44:42,114 --> 00:44:44,551 He had never said that. It wasn't in the Oslo Accords. 761 00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:46,292 "Need a state of their own, 762 00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:50,557 so that we can separate out of respect, 763 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:52,080 not out of hatred." 764 00:44:58,826 --> 00:45:00,698 On the 4th of November, 765 00:45:00,828 --> 00:45:04,266 I had taken one of my kids to the doctor. 766 00:45:04,397 --> 00:45:08,662 And I was on the way back, um... 767 00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:11,796 from the doctor, and I got paged. 768 00:45:11,883 --> 00:45:14,842 And I said, "Well, I'll-- It's... 769 00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:16,322 I'm 10 minutes from home, 770 00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,150 so I'll just call in when I get home." 771 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,413 Debbie, my wife, when I walked in the door, 772 00:45:20,543 --> 00:45:21,719 said, "Rabin's been shot." 773 00:45:23,503 --> 00:45:24,417 And I said, "What?" 774 00:45:26,985 --> 00:45:28,856 Um... 775 00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:31,729 So I, uh... 776 00:45:36,385 --> 00:45:38,910 I-I called, um... 777 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,476 I called in immediately, 778 00:45:40,607 --> 00:45:44,089 and then as soon as I called in, I mean... 779 00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:45,960 Christopher came on the phone with me. 780 00:45:46,047 --> 00:45:48,528 And while we were on the phone, 781 00:45:48,658 --> 00:45:50,312 they said, "We learned that he died." 782 00:45:51,879 --> 00:45:54,795 Um... 783 00:45:54,926 --> 00:45:58,059 And so, you know, here I'm on the one hand, I'm... 784 00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:02,629 I'm emotionally shaken. 785 00:46:06,372 --> 00:46:09,418 And at the same time, I'm trying to think about... 786 00:46:11,029 --> 00:46:12,117 What do we do? 787 00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:18,340 And... 788 00:46:20,473 --> 00:46:22,170 You know, it, um... 789 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,794 It's obviously still a moment that I really can't talk about. 790 00:46:41,668 --> 00:46:42,843 You were with your wife. 791 00:46:44,192 --> 00:46:45,759 Yeah. 792 00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:48,153 And, um... 793 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,938 And all three kids, and they'd never seen me cry before. 794 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:53,375 So... 795 00:46:55,203 --> 00:46:56,726 I'm... 796 00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,251 She's trying to explain to them why I'm crying. 797 00:47:02,297 --> 00:47:04,734 And then I'm trying to explain to them why I was. 798 00:47:04,865 --> 00:47:06,171 You know, it was a... 799 00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:12,133 In a lot of ways, it was something... 800 00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:14,266 It was something I couldn't imagine. 801 00:47:14,353 --> 00:47:17,835 My wife came in with the phone, and it was Eitan Haber. 802 00:47:17,965 --> 00:47:21,229 And he said to me, "Rabin's been shot. 803 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,405 Meet me at Ichilov Hospital." 804 00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:27,496 And hung up. I was stunned. 805 00:47:28,889 --> 00:47:30,630 So I raced to the hospital. 806 00:47:30,717 --> 00:47:32,284 Um... 807 00:47:32,414 --> 00:47:35,853 And as-- As we were going down empty streets, 808 00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,681 the place was totally empty, eerie. 809 00:47:38,812 --> 00:47:42,685 I got there, and I was taken down into the basement, 810 00:47:42,816 --> 00:47:45,210 and Eitan was there. 811 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:48,866 But he was writing something, 812 00:47:48,953 --> 00:47:51,129 and he didn't-- I said, "Eitan, hi," 813 00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:53,566 and he didn't look at me or anything. 814 00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:56,047 He just kept on writing. 815 00:47:56,177 --> 00:47:59,050 And so I turned around, and didn't know what to do, 816 00:47:59,137 --> 00:48:02,401 and then Rabin's chef de cabinet hugged me, 817 00:48:02,531 --> 00:48:05,360 and he whispered in my ear, "Rabin is dead." 818 00:48:07,536 --> 00:48:11,105 And...that's how I found out. 819 00:48:11,236 --> 00:48:13,238 {\an8}Reported the prime minister was impacted 820 00:48:13,368 --> 00:48:15,457 {\an8}by those bullets fired at short range. 821 00:48:15,588 --> 00:48:18,286 {\an8}CNN has confirmed that he was-- He is being treated 822 00:48:18,373 --> 00:48:21,724 {\an8}in the emergency ward of Ichilov Hospital. 823 00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:24,336 {\an8} Truly shocking news from the Middle East. 824 00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:28,166 Israel's prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, has been assassinated. 825 00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:30,777 The 73-year-old Rabin was shot three times 826 00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:34,694 after addressing a huge peace rally in Tel Aviv. 827 00:48:34,781 --> 00:48:36,609 He died of his wounds a short time later. 828 00:48:47,881 --> 00:48:50,362 The world has lost one of its greatest men. 829 00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:55,193 A warrior for his nation's freedom, 830 00:48:55,323 --> 00:48:58,500 and now a martyr for his nation's peace. 831 00:49:00,372 --> 00:49:03,853 Yitzhak Rabin was my partner and my friend. 832 00:49:05,551 --> 00:49:06,508 I admired him, 833 00:49:07,857 --> 00:49:09,468 and I loved him very much. 834 00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:14,821 Because words cannot express my true feelings, 835 00:49:16,562 --> 00:49:21,871 let me just say, {\an8} shalom, chaver. 836 00:49:22,002 --> 00:49:22,698 Goodbye, friend. 837 00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,527 {\an8} Thank you. 838 00:49:34,275 --> 00:49:35,537 I am very sad, 839 00:49:37,409 --> 00:49:38,671 and very shocked 840 00:49:40,455 --> 00:49:44,372 for this awful and terrible crime 841 00:49:46,026 --> 00:49:51,945 against one of the brave leaders of Israel, 842 00:49:53,468 --> 00:49:54,252 and the peacemakers. 843 00:49:56,906 --> 00:49:59,300 {\an8} I'll talk about this after we've had chance to visit. 844 00:49:59,431 --> 00:50:01,215 {\an8} Then we were on the plane very quickly 845 00:50:01,302 --> 00:50:02,912 {\an8}on the way to the funeral. 846 00:50:03,043 --> 00:50:04,349 {\an8} We're emotional in our family. 847 00:50:04,479 --> 00:50:06,394 {\an8} We had the ex-presidents. 848 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:09,310 {\an8}We had the leaders of the both Senate and House. 849 00:50:09,441 --> 00:50:12,748 {\an8} People look to us for guidance and leadership... 850 00:50:12,879 --> 00:50:15,795 {\an8} My role was to brief them on how they should behave 851 00:50:15,925 --> 00:50:17,884 {\an8}and what we were going into. 852 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,191 {\an8} 853 00:50:20,321 --> 00:50:22,758 {\an8}"You're walking into an Israel that is in a state of shock. 854 00:50:22,889 --> 00:50:24,369 {\an8}You're walking into a country 855 00:50:24,499 --> 00:50:26,327 {\an8}that's in a state of depression. 856 00:50:26,458 --> 00:50:28,721 {\an8}What's the one pillar they have outside of Israel? 857 00:50:28,851 --> 00:50:30,114 {\an8}The United States. 858 00:50:30,244 --> 00:50:32,768 {\an8}You need to send the message, 859 00:50:32,899 --> 00:50:34,292 {\an8}the U.S. is there for Israel." 860 00:50:37,208 --> 00:50:39,862 {\an8}Shimon Peres became the prime minister, 861 00:50:39,993 --> 00:50:43,605 {\an8}and Clinton asked, "Where's Peres right now?" 862 00:50:43,736 --> 00:50:45,607 {\an8}And I said, "He's shaken." 863 00:50:45,738 --> 00:50:47,305 {\an8}I said, "Peres has lost a guy 864 00:50:47,435 --> 00:50:50,264 with whom he's been a rival for 50 years. 865 00:50:50,395 --> 00:50:52,484 You have to understand what that means. 866 00:50:52,614 --> 00:50:56,401 He's been a rival, but he's been this steady rock for him. 867 00:50:56,531 --> 00:50:59,056 {\an8}You're gonna have to be his rock right now. 868 00:50:59,186 --> 00:51:01,319 {\an8}He has to know that he's got you to count on." 869 00:51:05,845 --> 00:51:09,109 {\an8}And when Clinton sees Peres when we get there, 870 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,372 {\an8}Peres walks towards him and extends his hand, 871 00:51:11,503 --> 00:51:14,549 {\an8}and Clinton envelops him in a hug, 872 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,901 {\an8}and just holds him that way for an extended period of time, 873 00:51:19,032 --> 00:51:21,687 {\an8}and it was like he was imparting already 874 00:51:21,817 --> 00:51:23,558 {\an8}what the relationship was gonna be. 875 00:51:32,393 --> 00:51:34,526 {\an8}The assassination is transforming for Clinton. 876 00:51:36,615 --> 00:51:38,921 {\an8}March 1993, he meets Rabin. 877 00:51:39,052 --> 00:51:41,489 And he tells Rabin, "You take risks for peace, 878 00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:44,318 and my responsibility is to minimize those risks." 879 00:51:44,449 --> 00:51:46,451 {\an8}So when Rabin is assassinated, 880 00:51:46,581 --> 00:51:49,454 {\an8}the burden falls to Clinton in his mind. 881 00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:51,456 {\an8}He owes this debt. 882 00:51:51,586 --> 00:51:52,935 {\an8}He said, "Take risks for peace," 883 00:51:53,066 --> 00:51:54,154 {\an8}and now he's dead. 884 00:51:57,766 --> 00:51:59,812 {\an8}People say that Clinton just wanted a legacy. 885 00:51:59,942 --> 00:52:01,422 That wasn't it. 886 00:52:01,553 --> 00:52:04,817 He had a sense of mission because of this. 887 00:52:08,995 --> 00:52:12,694 {\an8} Rabin made Clinton a part of history. 888 00:52:12,825 --> 00:52:14,305 The young Bill Clinton, 889 00:52:14,435 --> 00:52:16,176 with almost no foreign policy experience, 890 00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:18,396 was made a part of the historical narrative 891 00:52:18,526 --> 00:52:21,790 as a consequence of historic undertaking. 892 00:52:21,877 --> 00:52:24,358 {\an8}This is part of the context. 893 00:52:24,489 --> 00:52:27,361 {\an8}This is part of Bill Clinton's DNA. 894 00:52:36,370 --> 00:52:38,894 CROWD 895 00:52:43,377 --> 00:52:45,945 Good evening, Israel has elected its next prime minister 896 00:52:46,032 --> 00:52:50,558 with a razor-thin margin separating deeply divided sides. 897 00:53:00,307 --> 00:53:02,396 {\an8} President Clinton hosted 898 00:53:02,527 --> 00:53:05,356 {\an8}the Israeli prime minister at the White House today. 899 00:53:05,486 --> 00:53:07,662 {\an8}It was the first meeting of the two men 900 00:53:07,793 --> 00:53:10,143 {\an8}since Netanyahu's election in May. 901 00:53:10,274 --> 00:53:12,014 {\an8}The prime minister did not back away 902 00:53:12,145 --> 00:53:13,538 {\an8}from his hard-line position 903 00:53:13,625 --> 00:53:14,800 {\an8}on the Arab-Israeli peace process 904 00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:16,671 {\an8}that the president supports. 905 00:53:20,936 --> 00:53:23,200 {\an8} The question was, how could you manage a process 906 00:53:23,330 --> 00:53:25,202 {\an8}when you now had a leader 907 00:53:25,289 --> 00:53:29,031 {\an8}who clearly was cut from a different kind of cloth? 908 00:53:29,162 --> 00:53:33,297 {\an8}In a sense, we had to figure out what you could do with him. 909 00:53:33,427 --> 00:53:35,908 {\an8}Did you want the whole process to fall apart? 910 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:40,217 {\an8}Did you want to lose the ability to make peace at all? 911 00:53:40,347 --> 00:53:41,740 {\an8}At that first meeting, 912 00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:44,351 {\an8}he was lecturing Clinton 913 00:53:44,482 --> 00:53:47,049 "You don't understand the Arabs. I understand the Arabs. 914 00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:49,269 Here's how we're gonna deal with the Arabs. 915 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,142 We know what to do, and this is what you have to do now." 916 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:56,015 {\an8}And he said, "They have to understand. 917 00:53:56,145 --> 00:53:58,235 It's a new world now. 918 00:53:58,365 --> 00:54:00,976 Uh, and they'll adjust. You'll see, they'll adjust." 919 00:54:01,107 --> 00:54:02,674 {\an8}And at the end of the meeting, 920 00:54:02,804 --> 00:54:04,589 {\an8}he walks out, 921 00:54:04,676 --> 00:54:07,983 "Who does he think the superpower is?" 922 00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:13,424 {\an8} We are still keeping a close eye 923 00:54:13,554 --> 00:54:15,295 {\an8}on the trouble in the Middle East. 924 00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:17,558 {\an8}The violence began when the Israeli leader 925 00:54:17,689 --> 00:54:20,953 {\an8}decided to open a new entrance to an ancient tunnel 926 00:54:21,083 --> 00:54:24,130 {\an8}near a Muslim holy site in Jerusalem. 927 00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:27,220 This is a crime, a big crime, 928 00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:31,398 against our religious and holy places. 929 00:54:34,967 --> 00:54:38,057 Good evening. The prospects of a lasting peace 930 00:54:38,187 --> 00:54:40,233 in the Middle East are fading fast tonight 931 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,845 {\an8}as the clash between Israelis and Palestinians over Jerusalem 932 00:54:43,932 --> 00:54:47,240 {\an8}now has exploded into a mini war on two fronts. 933 00:54:47,371 --> 00:54:48,720 President Clinton today 934 00:54:48,850 --> 00:54:50,852 indirectly criticized the Israelis. 935 00:54:50,983 --> 00:54:52,593 {\an8} This has gone on too long 936 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,900 {\an8}and hurt too many innocent people. 937 00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:57,206 {\an8} I go over to the White House, and I say, 938 00:54:57,294 --> 00:54:59,252 {\an8}"Look, the only way to stop this 939 00:54:59,383 --> 00:55:01,646 {\an8}is if you bring everybody here to the White House. 940 00:55:01,776 --> 00:55:03,387 {\an8}This is getting out of control, 941 00:55:03,517 --> 00:55:04,823 {\an8}and from a distance, we can't stop it." 942 00:55:24,712 --> 00:55:28,281 {\an8}We're having lunch in the White House, 943 00:55:28,412 --> 00:55:32,329 {\an8}and King Hussein says to Bibi, 944 00:55:32,459 --> 00:55:34,331 {\an8}"You don't have the maturity to be a leader. 945 00:55:34,461 --> 00:55:36,942 {\an8}You're not like Rabin. 946 00:55:37,072 --> 00:55:39,945 Rabin understood that when you have a negotiating partner, 947 00:55:40,032 --> 00:55:43,949 you have to do things that give them the ability to operate too. 948 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,212 You have to grow up and become a leader, 949 00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:48,606 and you're not one today." 950 00:55:48,736 --> 00:55:50,999 {\an8}And there was absolute silence in the room. 951 00:55:57,745 --> 00:56:01,793 And then Bibi asks if he can go off just with Arafat and me. 952 00:56:01,923 --> 00:56:04,796 He gets with Arafat, and he says, "Look. 953 00:56:04,926 --> 00:56:08,539 Let's begin a negotiation, and we can surprise the world. 954 00:56:08,626 --> 00:56:10,367 No one expects that we can do anything." 955 00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:12,760 And Arafat says, "Okay." 956 00:56:24,772 --> 00:56:27,732 {\an8} At that time, it became clear that in a lot of ways, 957 00:56:27,862 --> 00:56:30,169 {\an8}the Clinton who was interested in this before 958 00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:32,432 {\an8}is not the Clinton afterwards. 959 00:56:32,563 --> 00:56:35,957 He feels he has a responsibility to fulfill the Rabin legacy. 960 00:56:44,139 --> 00:56:45,750 {\an8} We took over the negotiations 961 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,013 {\an8}with a renewed commitment to ensure 962 00:56:48,143 --> 00:56:51,930 {\an8}that Rabin wouldn't die in vain. 963 00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:55,455 {\an8}We had a historic responsibility. 964 00:56:55,586 --> 00:56:59,067 {\an8}It was a team that was dedicated, motivated, 965 00:56:59,198 --> 00:57:02,636 {\an8}mostly American Jews at the working level, 966 00:57:02,767 --> 00:57:05,247 {\an8}convinced that this was fundamentally 967 00:57:05,378 --> 00:57:08,816 {\an8}in the national interest of the United States, 968 00:57:08,947 --> 00:57:12,211 {\an8}schooled, taught, conditioned to the notion 969 00:57:12,341 --> 00:57:13,908 that solving the Arab-Israeli conflict 970 00:57:13,995 --> 00:57:15,649 was critically important. 971 00:57:18,739 --> 00:57:20,828 {\an8}We were hammered during this period 972 00:57:20,959 --> 00:57:23,265 {\an8}by being too accommodating of Netanyahu, 973 00:57:23,396 --> 00:57:25,485 {\an8}too enabling of settlement activity, 974 00:57:25,616 --> 00:57:27,748 {\an8}but without process, there would have been nothing. 975 00:57:29,358 --> 00:57:31,317 Dennis, you're Jewish. - I am. 976 00:57:31,404 --> 00:57:33,841 Beside Gamal, all the negotiating team are Jews. 977 00:57:33,972 --> 00:57:35,800 - Yes. - How is this perceived 978 00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:38,629 by the other side, as you're supposed to be unbiased? 979 00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:42,023 I think it's easy for them to portray us as being one-sided 980 00:57:42,154 --> 00:57:46,245 when they look at all the negotiators as being Jewish. 981 00:57:46,375 --> 00:57:48,508 Now, the reality is, it was also 982 00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:50,205 each of those people who was Jewish 983 00:57:50,336 --> 00:57:51,859 who carried the greatest passion 984 00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:53,905 about wanting to see this settled. 985 00:57:54,035 --> 00:57:56,255 But you are biased. You are biased. 986 00:57:56,385 --> 00:57:58,083 In a way, you are. You say yourself-- 987 00:57:58,213 --> 00:58:00,433 Wait, look. But you know what? That's... 988 00:58:00,564 --> 00:58:04,611 The notion that-- That, uh, mediators 989 00:58:04,742 --> 00:58:07,658 have to be, quote, "perfectly neutral," 990 00:58:07,788 --> 00:58:09,311 the only people who say that 991 00:58:09,442 --> 00:58:11,966 have never done any mediation of any hard issue. 992 00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:13,402 I'm not an observant Jew. 993 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,056 I was raised in a very traditional 994 00:58:15,143 --> 00:58:18,799 Conservative Jewish household. 995 00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:22,107 I don't think I, or anyone, frankly, 996 00:58:22,237 --> 00:58:25,023 who's ever worked on this process 997 00:58:25,153 --> 00:58:29,331 is free from the prejudgments and prejudices and biases. 998 00:58:29,462 --> 00:58:32,726 You are the sum total of your experiences. 999 00:58:32,857 --> 00:58:39,428 The downside is that you grow up in a milieu and an environment 1000 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,343 in which you're much more familiar 1001 00:58:41,474 --> 00:58:45,086 with the needs and requirements of one side, but not the other. 1002 00:58:49,177 --> 00:58:51,049 {\an8}Good morning, everyone. I'm Thalia Assuras. 1003 00:58:51,179 --> 00:58:52,746 President Clinton convenes 1004 00:58:52,877 --> 00:58:55,053 the latest Mideast peace summit this morning. 1005 00:58:55,183 --> 00:58:56,881 On the table, a U.S. proposal 1006 00:58:57,011 --> 00:58:59,666 for further Israeli troop withdrawals from the West Bank. 1007 00:59:05,803 --> 00:59:09,415 {\an8} ...our commitment to Israel's security remains rock solid, 1008 00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:11,939 {\an8}why we'll continue to do whatever is necessary... 1009 00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:14,202 {\an8} I had gone to Arafat, 1010 00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:16,814 {\an8}"We need 30 percent of the West Bank." 1011 00:59:16,944 --> 00:59:18,946 {\an8}Bibi says, "I can do the lowest teen." 1012 00:59:19,077 --> 00:59:21,296 {\an8}The lowest teen is 13. 1013 00:59:21,427 --> 00:59:23,081 {\an8}So after real hard effort, 1014 00:59:23,211 --> 00:59:26,737 {\an8}I get Arafat to agree, "Okay, 13 percent." 1015 00:59:26,867 --> 00:59:28,869 {\an8}When I go back to Bibi, 1016 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,698 {\an8}I say, "Okay, look, I got Arafat to 13 percent." 1017 00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:33,874 {\an8}He said, "Well, I said I agree to 11." 1018 00:59:33,961 --> 00:59:38,531 I said, "You said, lowest teen." He said, "Yeah, 11." 1019 00:59:38,662 --> 00:59:40,141 I said, "Does 11 sound like a teen? 1020 00:59:40,272 --> 00:59:42,579 Thirteen is a teen." 1021 00:59:42,709 --> 00:59:44,885 He said, "Well, I meant 11." 1022 00:59:44,972 --> 00:59:47,018 I said, "You didn't say 11." 1023 00:59:49,977 --> 00:59:51,936 {\an8}Both Netanyahu and Arafat 1024 00:59:52,066 --> 00:59:55,200 {\an8}are not particularly responsive in these meetings. 1025 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:57,681 {\an8}Neither one was. 1026 00:59:57,768 --> 01:00:00,597 {\an8}And at one point, Arafat got outraged by Netanyahu. 1027 01:00:00,684 --> 01:00:02,076 {\an8} Unbelievable. 1028 01:00:02,207 --> 01:00:03,687 {\an8} He feels he's not showing him 1029 01:00:03,817 --> 01:00:05,558 {\an8}sufficient respect and dignity. 1030 01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:07,386 {\an8} This cannot be acceptable... 1031 01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:09,736 {\an8} And Clinton blew up at Bibi 1032 01:00:09,867 --> 01:00:12,260 in front of Arafat and the Palestinian team. 1033 01:00:12,391 --> 01:00:14,436 In a way that was... 1034 01:00:14,567 --> 01:00:17,657 When Clinton would get mad, he would, like, just lose it. 1035 01:00:17,788 --> 01:00:19,920 Uh, and then Clinton walked out. 1036 01:00:23,141 --> 01:00:26,797 {\an8}Bibi then was... Initially he was stunned. 1037 01:00:26,927 --> 01:00:29,016 And so he says, "All right, what do you suggest?" 1038 01:00:29,147 --> 01:00:30,844 So I began to make suggestions, 1039 01:00:30,931 --> 01:00:33,542 and he was prepared to go along with them. 1040 01:00:33,673 --> 01:00:37,111 {\an8} Israeli forces have to have security control, 1041 01:00:37,198 --> 01:00:39,070 {\an8}otherwise that place will be taken over. 1042 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,811 {\an8}And that's my confusion... 1043 01:00:44,771 --> 01:00:48,949 {\an8} At that point, even Netanyahu, with all his cynicism, 1044 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,822 {\an8}also understood certain realities. 1045 01:01:01,179 --> 01:01:04,312 {\an8}Only the believers could have believed 1046 01:01:04,443 --> 01:01:08,186 {\an8}that we could create not one but two agreements 1047 01:01:08,273 --> 01:01:10,928 {\an8}between the PLO and this Israeli prime minister. 1048 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,152 Here was the first and only Likud prime minister 1049 01:01:18,283 --> 01:01:20,677 in the history of the State of Israel 1050 01:01:20,807 --> 01:01:24,071 not just to return West Bank territory, 1051 01:01:24,202 --> 01:01:28,032 {\an8}but a guy who vowed he'd never shake hands with Yasser Arafat, 1052 01:01:28,162 --> 01:01:29,903 {\an8}a guy who vowed he'd never become a partner 1053 01:01:30,034 --> 01:01:31,775 {\an8}in any negotiation with Arafat, 1054 01:01:31,862 --> 01:01:35,604 {\an8}was willing and able to do that. 1055 01:01:42,046 --> 01:01:45,832 This agreement gave Clinton a sense of confidence 1056 01:01:45,919 --> 01:01:49,183 that if you put me in a room 1057 01:01:49,314 --> 01:01:51,882 with an Israeli and a Palestinian 1058 01:01:52,012 --> 01:01:55,668 who are even remotely interested in cutting a deal, 1059 01:01:55,799 --> 01:01:58,105 I could cut that deal. 1060 01:01:58,236 --> 01:02:00,107 {\an8} New allegations that President Clinton 1061 01:02:00,194 --> 01:02:01,761 {\an8}The president, 1062 01:02:01,848 --> 01:02:03,981 {\an8}seen in a video with Monica Lewinsky... 1063 01:02:04,111 --> 01:02:06,157 {\an8} The intern had a sexual relationship... 1064 01:02:06,287 --> 01:02:08,637 {\an8} Hillary Clinton called the charges false. 1065 01:02:08,768 --> 01:02:10,944 {\an8} The Lewinsky affair takes place as announced 1066 01:02:11,075 --> 01:02:15,514 between meetings of Netanyahu with the president 1067 01:02:15,601 --> 01:02:17,646 and Arafat and the president. 1068 01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:19,953 {\an8} The allegations I have read are not true, 1069 01:02:20,084 --> 01:02:21,912 {\an8}and I will be vigorous about it, 1070 01:02:22,042 --> 01:02:24,001 but I have to get back to the work of the country. 1071 01:02:24,131 --> 01:02:26,525 I was up past midnight with Prime Minister Netanyahu. 1072 01:02:26,655 --> 01:02:28,527 I've got Mr. Arafat coming in. 1073 01:02:28,657 --> 01:02:30,485 {\an8}I have got to get back to work. 1074 01:02:32,836 --> 01:02:34,533 {\an8} The president has to go out 1075 01:02:34,663 --> 01:02:36,274 {\an8}to the opening of the Gaza Airport 1076 01:02:36,404 --> 01:02:38,145 {\an8}and to preside over the PNC meeting. 1077 01:02:40,495 --> 01:02:42,715 {\an8}And we're en route out there, 1078 01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:44,891 and suddenly he opens the door 1079 01:02:45,022 --> 01:02:47,328 "Where's Hillary? I gotta see Hillary." 1080 01:02:47,459 --> 01:02:51,942 And I find out after that, that the news had just broken 1081 01:02:52,072 --> 01:02:54,988 that there's gonna be impeachment, 1082 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:58,687 {\an8}and the first person he wanted to talk to was Hillary. 1083 01:02:58,818 --> 01:03:01,865 {\an8}During that whole trip, she was with him all the time. 1084 01:03:01,952 --> 01:03:03,780 {\an8}I would come up late at night to brief him, 1085 01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:05,433 {\an8}and she would be there. 1086 01:03:05,564 --> 01:03:08,001 We were flying down to Gaza on the helicopter, 1087 01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:10,134 and he said to me, "I didn't sleep at all," 1088 01:03:10,264 --> 01:03:12,310 and he was troubled by all this. 1089 01:03:24,235 --> 01:03:26,715 {\an8}We had a three-way meeting with Arafat and Bibi, 1090 01:03:26,846 --> 01:03:28,805 {\an8}and I was sitting next to him. 1091 01:03:28,935 --> 01:03:31,633 {\an8}I could see he was writing on his notepad, 1092 01:03:31,764 --> 01:03:33,679 "Focus on your job. Focus on your job. 1093 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,594 Focus on your job." 1094 01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:38,510 Uh, and what's even more stunning, 1095 01:03:38,597 --> 01:03:42,819 the speech he gives at the PNC, he completely ad libs. 1096 01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:47,475 I was with Chairman Arafat, 1097 01:03:47,606 --> 01:03:50,435 and four little children came to see me 1098 01:03:50,565 --> 01:03:53,438 whose fathers are in Israeli prisons. 1099 01:03:55,396 --> 01:03:59,226 Last night, I met some Israeli children 1100 01:03:59,357 --> 01:04:02,447 whose fathers had been killed in conflict with Palestinians. 1101 01:04:04,753 --> 01:04:06,538 If I had met them in reverse order, 1102 01:04:06,668 --> 01:04:07,844 I would not have known 1103 01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:13,501 which ones were Israeli and which Palestinian. 1104 01:04:13,632 --> 01:04:15,634 A stunning speech. 1105 01:04:15,764 --> 01:04:18,506 He is as much preacher as teacher in this speech. 1106 01:04:18,637 --> 01:04:20,682 We must acknowledge 1107 01:04:20,769 --> 01:04:24,164 that neither side has a monopoly on pain 1108 01:04:24,251 --> 01:04:26,079 or virtue. 1109 01:04:30,997 --> 01:04:34,696 The end of the speech, I was crying. 1110 01:04:34,827 --> 01:04:38,570 I mean, it was unbelievable. Hillary sees me and hugs me. 1111 01:04:43,618 --> 01:04:46,491 {\an8} He was received as a conquering hero, 1112 01:04:46,578 --> 01:04:49,146 {\an8}and the entire region saw it. 1113 01:04:49,276 --> 01:04:53,411 {\an8}Here is an American president visiting a Palestinian area. 1114 01:04:53,541 --> 01:04:56,718 In that itself, there was an implicit recognition 1115 01:04:56,805 --> 01:04:59,373 {\an8}of a future Palestinian state. 1116 01:05:10,210 --> 01:05:11,777 Good morning, everybody. 1117 01:05:11,908 --> 01:05:13,735 Voters in Israel have given their country 1118 01:05:13,866 --> 01:05:16,303 a new leader and new hope for peace. 1119 01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:18,392 The election of war hero Ehud Barak 1120 01:05:18,523 --> 01:05:21,569 puts an end to three stormy years under Benjamin Netanyahu. 1121 01:05:44,114 --> 01:05:46,943 {\an8} Ehud Barak had a plan. 1122 01:05:47,073 --> 01:05:48,379 A plan from day one. 1123 01:05:48,509 --> 01:05:50,163 I think he had a plan before day one. 1124 01:05:50,294 --> 01:05:53,340 He knew where he wanted to go and where he wanted us to be 1125 01:05:53,471 --> 01:05:55,908 to take him there, and the Palestinians and Syrians there. 1126 01:06:01,696 --> 01:06:04,177 {\an8} 1127 01:06:04,308 --> 01:06:07,789 {\an8}"I have a mandate to finish the job that Rabin started, 1128 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,966 and I want to do it in my first year 1129 01:06:10,096 --> 01:06:11,619 and your last year in office." 1130 01:06:14,666 --> 01:06:18,583 {\an8}Clinton had only one year left when Barak was elected. 1131 01:06:18,713 --> 01:06:21,151 {\an8} Clinton had a meeting with Barak in Camp David. 1132 01:06:21,281 --> 01:06:23,327 {\an8}The two had a tête-à-tête for hours, 1133 01:06:23,457 --> 01:06:26,199 {\an8}and Barak had put his whole plan on the table. 1134 01:06:26,286 --> 01:06:28,723 {\an8}The president asked us to come, because he was afraid 1135 01:06:28,810 --> 01:06:31,030 {\an8}he was gonna forget what Barak had told him, 1136 01:06:31,117 --> 01:06:33,424 so he has to take notes on everything he had said. 1137 01:06:33,511 --> 01:06:34,947 "I'm gonna do a Syria deal. 1138 01:06:35,078 --> 01:06:36,818 Then I'm gonna do the Palestinian deal. 1139 01:06:36,949 --> 01:06:39,517 Here's what I'll do. Here's what you'll do." 1140 01:06:39,647 --> 01:06:42,781 Astronomical sums of money the U.S. would give to the Israelis 1141 01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:44,826 to help them with steps they would take, 1142 01:06:44,957 --> 01:06:48,091 resolution of the issues, how it would be done. 1143 01:06:48,221 --> 01:06:51,920 {\an8}And so I remember thinking, "This is completely impossible. 1144 01:06:52,051 --> 01:06:54,184 {\an8}This is an unrealistic plan." 1145 01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:56,447 It assumes things about how the Palestinians 1146 01:06:56,534 --> 01:06:58,971 and Syrians would react which are divorced from reality. 1147 01:06:59,102 --> 01:07:02,061 {\an8} We can make progress. We just do the best we can. 1148 01:07:02,148 --> 01:07:04,194 The president is enthusiastic after seeing him. 1149 01:07:04,324 --> 01:07:06,196 He says, "He's serious. 1150 01:07:06,283 --> 01:07:09,547 He's prepared to make big moves. He's prepared to go very far. 1151 01:07:09,634 --> 01:07:13,072 {\an8}But he can do more if he doesn't have to carry out 1152 01:07:13,203 --> 01:07:14,900 {\an8}further withdrawal on the West Bank, 1153 01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:17,772 {\an8}which Netanyahu already agreed to do." 1154 01:07:17,903 --> 01:07:19,513 {\an8}When I see Barak, I tell him, 1155 01:07:19,644 --> 01:07:21,428 {\an8}Arafat's gonna be suspicious of this. 1156 01:07:21,515 --> 01:07:22,951 {\an8} It takes two to tango. 1157 01:07:23,082 --> 01:07:23,952 {\an8} He's going to think 1158 01:07:24,083 --> 01:07:25,780 {\an8}you're trying to humiliate him, 1159 01:07:25,911 --> 01:07:26,912 {\an8}that you're not showing him 1160 01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:28,392 {\an8}sufficient respect and dignity. 1161 01:07:30,437 --> 01:07:32,265 But Barak was someone who felt he knew best. 1162 01:07:33,788 --> 01:07:35,660 {\an8}He wants to do Syria first, 1163 01:07:35,747 --> 01:07:38,619 {\an8}so he's holding back on the Palestinian track. 1164 01:07:42,014 --> 01:07:44,234 {\an8} The U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright 1165 01:07:44,364 --> 01:07:46,453 {\an8}arrived in Damascus, where she was greeted 1166 01:07:46,584 --> 01:07:49,456 {\an8}by the Syrian foreign minister Farouk al-Sharaa. 1167 01:07:49,587 --> 01:07:52,938 {\an8}Albright then went on to meet President Hafez Assad 1168 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:55,158 {\an8}to discuss resuming peace talks with Israel. 1169 01:07:59,988 --> 01:08:01,947 {\an8} Amazingly, this time, 1170 01:08:02,034 --> 01:08:04,341 {\an8}Assad said he was ready. He said, "I'm ready, 1171 01:08:04,471 --> 01:08:07,300 and I'm ready to send my foreign minister to meet with Barak." 1172 01:08:07,431 --> 01:08:10,303 The foreign minister was sitting there, Farouk al-Sharaa, 1173 01:08:10,434 --> 01:08:12,697 {\an8}"I've got to meet an Israeli? You're kidding." 1174 01:08:12,827 --> 01:08:15,178 {\an8}Assad said, "Yeah, you're gonna go." 1175 01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:16,701 So there we were. 1176 01:08:16,831 --> 01:08:20,922 It was like a sea change in Assad's attitude. 1177 01:08:24,230 --> 01:08:26,058 {\an8} When we fly to see Barak, 1178 01:08:26,145 --> 01:08:28,408 "Wow, in all my history it says, 1179 01:08:28,539 --> 01:08:30,410 when you have an opening, go for it." 1180 01:08:30,541 --> 01:08:33,283 Today I am pleased to announce 1181 01:08:33,413 --> 01:08:36,460 that Prime Minister Barak and President Assad have agreed 1182 01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:39,637 that the Israel-Syrian peace negotiations 1183 01:08:39,724 --> 01:08:42,553 will be resumed from the point where they left off. 1184 01:08:45,643 --> 01:08:47,732 {\an8} I was sitting with Arafat in December 1185 01:08:47,862 --> 01:08:50,474 {\an8}when they announced the Sharaa talks at Blair House. 1186 01:08:50,604 --> 01:08:55,827 And he kept squeezing my hand until it ached. 1187 01:08:55,957 --> 01:08:58,612 And I said, "Mr. Chairman, what do you think about this?" 1188 01:08:58,699 --> 01:09:00,266 And he only said 1189 01:09:00,397 --> 01:09:02,660 "Barak should not take me for granted." 1190 01:09:10,668 --> 01:09:13,018 {\an8} We are approaching the moment of truth, 1191 01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:15,760 and there is no doubt that everyone realizes 1192 01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:19,024 that a peace agreement between Syria and Israel 1193 01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:23,507 would indeed mean for our region the end of a history 1194 01:09:23,637 --> 01:09:26,118 of wars and conflicts. 1195 01:09:33,038 --> 01:09:35,954 {\an8} A month later, we brought them all to Shepherdstown 1196 01:09:36,041 --> 01:09:38,391 {\an8}to see if we can make a deal. 1197 01:09:38,522 --> 01:09:43,091 {\an8}And I went out to the airport to meet Barak. 1198 01:09:43,222 --> 01:09:46,312 And he asked me to come up and sit with him on the plane, 1199 01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,140 which was kind of unusual. 1200 01:09:48,271 --> 01:09:50,186 And he said to me, 1201 01:09:50,316 --> 01:09:51,274 "I can't do it." 1202 01:09:53,101 --> 01:09:55,800 Meaning, "I can't give the commitment 1203 01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:58,194 to withdraw from the Golan Heights. 1204 01:09:58,324 --> 01:09:59,934 My people aren't ready." 1205 01:10:02,328 --> 01:10:04,025 "If you can't do that, we're not gonna-- 1206 01:10:04,156 --> 01:10:05,549 We're gonna be out of business 1207 01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:07,203 if you're not prepared to do that." 1208 01:10:07,333 --> 01:10:10,162 He said, "No, I can't do it." 1209 01:10:10,293 --> 01:10:14,427 I remember going from there to the Daily Grill. 1210 01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:18,518 Madeleine Albright was sitting with Dennis, having dinner. 1211 01:10:18,605 --> 01:10:20,607 {\an8}I came from the airport and sat down. 1212 01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:24,220 {\an8}I said to Madeleine, "Houston, we've got a problem." 1213 01:10:28,311 --> 01:10:30,356 What we hear is that Barak has gotten polls 1214 01:10:30,487 --> 01:10:32,706 that show this is not such a popular thing. 1215 01:10:32,837 --> 01:10:36,057 And he has to show it's harder to produce it. 1216 01:10:36,188 --> 01:10:39,017 {\an8}But in the meantime, we're here. 1217 01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:41,585 {\an8}The Syrians actually move on a number of things. 1218 01:10:41,715 --> 01:10:43,978 {\an8}They move on security arrangements. 1219 01:10:44,109 --> 01:10:45,980 {\an8}They move on the border. 1220 01:10:46,111 --> 01:10:48,461 {\an8}They're moving on everything. 1221 01:10:48,592 --> 01:10:50,768 {\an8}And we can't get Barak to move on anything. 1222 01:10:55,947 --> 01:10:58,645 Clinton took him to the woodshed. 1223 01:10:58,776 --> 01:11:01,344 Clinton said to Barak, "I'm a better politician than you. 1224 01:11:01,474 --> 01:11:04,999 I know your people will support this. 1225 01:11:05,130 --> 01:11:07,524 You need to do this. You need to do it now." 1226 01:11:07,654 --> 01:11:09,874 {\an8}But all of his persuasive powers, 1227 01:11:09,961 --> 01:11:13,486 {\an8}which were considerable, were not enough to move Barak. 1228 01:11:13,617 --> 01:11:15,706 {\an8} The peace talks between Israel and Syria 1229 01:11:15,793 --> 01:11:18,361 {\an8}are winding down today without a solid agreement. 1230 01:11:18,491 --> 01:11:20,841 {\an8} That isn't good news for President Clinton, 1231 01:11:20,972 --> 01:11:22,800 {\an8}who wants to preside over a peace deal 1232 01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:24,280 {\an8}before he leaves office. 1233 01:11:27,457 --> 01:11:29,937 {\an8} Assad says to us, "I don't know what Barak wants. 1234 01:11:30,068 --> 01:11:32,897 {\an8}How can we do a deal if we don't know what Barak wants?" 1235 01:11:33,027 --> 01:11:34,942 Then Barak is really anxious. 1236 01:11:35,073 --> 01:11:37,249 He says, "Look, we're gonna lose this possibility. 1237 01:11:37,336 --> 01:11:38,772 Clinton has to see him." 1238 01:11:40,165 --> 01:11:41,732 {\an8}To produce the meeting, 1239 01:11:41,862 --> 01:11:43,516 {\an8}Clinton has to call Assad 1240 01:11:43,647 --> 01:11:45,692 {\an8}"I now know what Barak wants." 1241 01:11:58,401 --> 01:12:01,317 We go into the meeting, 1242 01:12:01,447 --> 01:12:04,015 "I'm gonna do something unusual. I'm gonna read. 1243 01:12:04,102 --> 01:12:06,713 Barak has agreed to withdraw to the June 4, '67 lines 1244 01:12:06,844 --> 01:12:08,846 and have a mutually agreed border." 1245 01:12:08,933 --> 01:12:11,936 And Assad says, "Well, then we have a problem." 1246 01:12:12,066 --> 01:12:14,330 And Clinton says, "Let me explain this." 1247 01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:18,377 So he does the next line that explains 1248 01:12:18,508 --> 01:12:20,292 that the border will be off the water line. 1249 01:12:20,379 --> 01:12:22,816 {\an8} 1250 01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:24,644 {\an8}"I used to go swimming in the lake. 1251 01:12:24,775 --> 01:12:27,081 {\an8}I used to put my feet in the lake." 1252 01:12:27,212 --> 01:12:30,302 Every possible attempt that the president tried to do, 1253 01:12:30,433 --> 01:12:32,783 secretary tried to do, Dennis tried to do, 1254 01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:34,611 it was over by then, 1255 01:12:34,741 --> 01:12:39,703 because he interpreted "mutually agreed border" 1256 01:12:39,833 --> 01:12:42,096 "the Israelis will have a say in determining 1257 01:12:42,227 --> 01:12:44,577 where will the border be," 1258 01:12:44,708 --> 01:12:46,100 and he never accepted that notion. 1259 01:12:48,799 --> 01:12:50,583 {\an8} At the end of the meeting, 1260 01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,804 {\an8}Assad could see Clinton's face is all red, 1261 01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,546 He doesn't want a total blowup with us. 1262 01:12:56,676 --> 01:13:00,376 So he walks over to me, and he shakes my hand, 1263 01:13:00,506 --> 01:13:03,640 and he puts his arm up on my shoulder here, 1264 01:13:03,727 --> 01:13:06,382 and says, "We've always had good relations." 1265 01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:08,558 And I put my arm up on his shoulder right here. 1266 01:13:08,688 --> 01:13:10,516 What you feel when you grab someone's arm 1267 01:13:10,647 --> 01:13:12,039 is you feel muscle. 1268 01:13:12,126 --> 01:13:13,606 I felt no muscle. I felt only bone. 1269 01:13:16,087 --> 01:13:18,829 {\an8}So I knew he was wasting away and he was dying. 1270 01:13:18,959 --> 01:13:20,570 {\an8}He thinks doing a deal at that point 1271 01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:22,920 {\an8}will threaten the succession to his son. 1272 01:13:27,446 --> 01:13:29,622 So, what happened essentially was, 1273 01:13:29,753 --> 01:13:33,234 yeah, Barak chased Syria, and he dissed Arafat, 1274 01:13:33,365 --> 01:13:36,760 and then when Assad said no in Geneva in March, 1275 01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:40,590 and was dead in the first half of June, 1276 01:13:40,677 --> 01:13:44,158 Barak turned to Mr. Arafat, 1277 01:13:44,289 --> 01:13:48,293 {\an8}"Okay, the price just went up." 1278 01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:50,774 {\an8} The week after Geneva failed, 1279 01:13:50,904 --> 01:13:52,906 Barak says he has to speak urgently to Clinton. 1280 01:13:52,993 --> 01:13:55,605 {\an8}Sandy Berger, who was then the national security adviser, 1281 01:13:55,735 --> 01:13:57,215 {\an8}wanted to protect Clinton 1282 01:13:57,345 --> 01:13:59,217 because he knew what Barak was gonna say, 1283 01:13:59,347 --> 01:14:02,960 "Now let's turn our attention to the Palestinians." 1284 01:14:05,397 --> 01:14:07,878 "We just went through an experience with the Syrians 1285 01:14:07,965 --> 01:14:09,009 that ended in failure. 1286 01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:10,576 We tried it your way. 1287 01:14:10,707 --> 01:14:12,535 It ended in failure." 1288 01:14:12,665 --> 01:14:15,233 At great cost obviously to the Israelis and the Syrians, 1289 01:14:15,363 --> 01:14:17,148 but also at cost to the credibility 1290 01:14:17,278 --> 01:14:19,585 of the United States. This one we have to do differently. 1291 01:14:19,716 --> 01:14:21,979 We have to take it more carefully. 1292 01:14:24,068 --> 01:14:28,028 {\an8} Barak doesn't give up. He comes to Washington. 1293 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,814 When I see him, though, he spent the whole night at Blair House. 1294 01:14:30,901 --> 01:14:32,076 He's up all night. 1295 01:14:32,163 --> 01:14:33,207 I can see he literally has 1296 01:14:33,338 --> 01:14:35,514 yellow pages spread everywhere. 1297 01:14:35,645 --> 01:14:37,342 {\an8}I mean, he's been working all night. 1298 01:14:37,429 --> 01:14:39,910 {\an8}He's been working everything through. 1299 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,999 {\an8}And he's telling me he wants to go to a summit 1300 01:14:42,129 --> 01:14:44,088 {\an8}with the Palestinians. 1301 01:14:44,218 --> 01:14:46,960 {\an8}But first of all, he's going to withdraw from Lebanon. 1302 01:14:50,877 --> 01:14:53,532 {\an8} In the Middle East, Israel's 15-year occupation 1303 01:14:53,663 --> 01:14:57,101 {\an8}of a South Lebanon security zone came to an end today, 1304 01:14:57,231 --> 01:14:59,451 {\an8}six weeks ahead of schedule. 1305 01:14:59,582 --> 01:15:02,106 {\an8}The last retreating soldiers locked the door behind them 1306 01:15:02,236 --> 01:15:06,806 {\an8}as Hezbollah guerrillas jeered the departing Israelis. 1307 01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:09,766 NASRALLAH 1308 01:15:46,411 --> 01:15:48,587 {\an8} Barak decides to withdraw from Lebanon 1309 01:15:48,718 --> 01:15:51,068 {\an8}not as a result of a peace deal 1310 01:15:51,198 --> 01:15:53,810 {\an8}but of continuing firing by Hezbollah. 1311 01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:57,770 So in the Palestinian psyche, the lesson was, what pays? 1312 01:15:57,857 --> 01:15:59,772 Is it diplomacy, or is it violence? 1313 01:16:02,514 --> 01:16:04,037 {\an8} The meeting I had with Arafat 1314 01:16:04,168 --> 01:16:06,605 {\an8}after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon 1315 01:16:06,736 --> 01:16:09,173 {\an8}was probably one of the worst meetings I had with him. 1316 01:16:09,303 --> 01:16:10,827 {\an8}He was in a terrible mood. 1317 01:16:10,957 --> 01:16:12,393 {\an8}He was swearing every other word, 1318 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:13,960 {\an8}which is out of character, 1319 01:16:14,091 --> 01:16:17,442 because he felt he was made to look the fool. 1320 01:16:17,529 --> 01:16:19,966 That he is negotiating, and what is he getting? 1321 01:16:20,097 --> 01:16:22,882 They don't negotiate, they do violence, and they get it all. 1322 01:16:29,193 --> 01:16:31,587 {\an8}Regardless of what's happening on the ground, 1323 01:16:31,717 --> 01:16:34,415 {\an8}Barak is insisting to move immediately 1324 01:16:34,546 --> 01:16:36,853 {\an8}to a summit with the Palestinians. 1325 01:16:36,983 --> 01:16:39,725 He's telling me, "We need the pressure cooker of a summit, 1326 01:16:39,856 --> 01:16:42,032 because no one reveals their real positions 1327 01:16:42,162 --> 01:16:44,164 except if they're in a pressure cooker 1328 01:16:44,295 --> 01:16:45,426 and the stakes are high." 1329 01:16:47,646 --> 01:16:50,606 "We can't rush to a summit not knowing what's gonna happen." 1330 01:16:53,304 --> 01:16:55,132 {\an8} He was Churchill, 1331 01:16:55,262 --> 01:16:59,440 and he told me years afterwards that that's how he saw himself. 1332 01:16:59,527 --> 01:17:00,833 So he pivots. 1333 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,837 But he pivots without thinking, 1334 01:17:04,968 --> 01:17:08,058 and he creates a world unto himself. 1335 01:17:10,756 --> 01:17:13,150 {\an8} Now Barak puts more pressure on the president. 1336 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,760 {\an8} 1337 01:17:14,847 --> 01:17:16,632 "I'm promising you I'm gonna go further 1338 01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:19,025 than any Israeli prime minister has dreamt of going, 1339 01:17:19,156 --> 01:17:20,592 but I need your help. 1340 01:17:20,723 --> 01:17:23,943 You have six months left in your presidency. 1341 01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:26,685 {\an8}I'm prepared to go extremely far, but in order to go far, 1342 01:17:26,816 --> 01:17:29,383 {\an8}I need the summit in which it will be me and Arafat, 1343 01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:31,821 {\an8}and we can present everything he'll get if he agrees 1344 01:17:31,951 --> 01:17:33,953 {\an8}and everything he'll lose if he disagrees. 1345 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,955 {\an8}If you don't do that, the result is 1346 01:17:36,086 --> 01:17:38,175 {\an8}gonna be the collapse of the process." 1347 01:17:42,222 --> 01:17:44,572 {\an8} The president himself, at the end, 1348 01:17:44,703 --> 01:17:49,186 {\an8}had great uncertainty about the summit. 1349 01:17:49,273 --> 01:17:51,928 {\an8}We came to his office, and he went around the room, 1350 01:17:52,058 --> 01:17:54,191 {\an8}and asked people, "Should I go? Should I go?" 1351 01:17:54,278 --> 01:17:56,497 {\an8}Everybody more or less said 1352 01:17:56,584 --> 01:17:59,413 {\an8}"Yes, you must go, Mr. President." 1353 01:17:59,544 --> 01:18:03,113 {\an8}When he came to me, I had a decision to make. 1354 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,290 I could have said 1355 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,772 "Mr. President, you will not reach an agreement. 1356 01:18:09,859 --> 01:18:12,470 They're not ready, and you're not ready." 1357 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,124 But I chose not to. 1358 01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:18,128 I took the weak way out. 1359 01:18:19,695 --> 01:18:20,913 And I regret that. 1360 01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:25,222 {\an8} We're meeting him in his office there, 1361 01:18:25,309 --> 01:18:27,746 {\an8}and he's waxing a little bit nostalgic, 1362 01:18:27,877 --> 01:18:31,271 {\an8}because the end is coming for him as president. 1363 01:18:31,402 --> 01:18:34,274 {\an8}At this moment, he suddenly is sort of hesitant. 1364 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,105 {\an8}And at that moment, Sandy, Madeleine, 1365 01:18:39,236 --> 01:18:41,847 {\an8}and I all make the case to go, 1366 01:18:41,978 --> 01:18:45,503 and not to be afraid to take the risk. 1367 01:18:45,633 --> 01:18:48,201 If we don't, we'll never know if a deal was possible. 1368 01:18:52,162 --> 01:18:53,946 Good morning. 1369 01:18:54,077 --> 01:18:56,949 After lengthy discussion with the two leaders, 1370 01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,735 and after listening to Secretary Albright's report, 1371 01:18:59,865 --> 01:19:02,476 I have concluded that this is the best way, 1372 01:19:02,607 --> 01:19:05,697 it is the only way, to move forward. 1373 01:19:05,784 --> 01:19:08,308 Movement now depends on historic decisions 1374 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,181 that only the two leaders can make. 1375 01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:14,488 To delay this gathering, to remain stalled, 1376 01:19:14,619 --> 01:19:16,316 is simply no longer an option. 1377 01:19:26,979 --> 01:19:29,329 {\an8} We literally dragged Arafat into Camp David. 1378 01:19:29,460 --> 01:19:31,505 {\an8}He did not want to go. 1379 01:19:31,592 --> 01:19:33,812 {\an8}I think he was convinced 1380 01:19:33,943 --> 01:19:36,510 {\an8}that we are dragging him to Camp David 1381 01:19:36,597 --> 01:19:38,208 {\an8}in order to squeeze him, 1382 01:19:38,295 --> 01:19:39,949 and there is something going on 1383 01:19:40,036 --> 01:19:41,820 between the Israelis and the Americans, 1384 01:19:41,951 --> 01:19:44,170 {\an8}and somehow, he will be trapped at Camp David. 1385 01:19:59,620 --> 01:20:02,841 {\an8} I had this conversation with Clinton before Arafat comes. 1386 01:20:02,972 --> 01:20:05,670 I said, "He's coming here. He's full of suspicions. 1387 01:20:05,757 --> 01:20:08,151 He feels it's a gang-up. 1388 01:20:08,281 --> 01:20:11,589 {\an8}So your whole point here is to lift him up. 1389 01:20:11,676 --> 01:20:14,940 {\an8}Play on who he is. Play on his aspirations. 1390 01:20:15,071 --> 01:20:18,161 Play on how much you want to be there 1391 01:20:18,291 --> 01:20:21,164 when the Palestinian flag is raised above a state. 1392 01:20:21,251 --> 01:20:22,861 Play upon that, 1393 01:20:22,948 --> 01:20:25,081 and don't get into any of the substance." 1394 01:20:37,006 --> 01:20:39,835 {\an8}We needed to control, in a sense, 1395 01:20:39,965 --> 01:20:42,707 {\an8}how the summit was going to unfold. 1396 01:20:42,838 --> 01:20:46,450 I wanted the president, in day one, to meet with the two, 1397 01:20:46,580 --> 01:20:50,846 {\an8}to outline to Barak and Arafat what were gonna be 1398 01:20:50,976 --> 01:20:53,022 {\an8}the parameters of all the issues, 1399 01:20:53,152 --> 01:20:53,849 {\an8}except Jerusalem. 1400 01:20:57,287 --> 01:21:00,246 {\an8}But when the president meets Barak, Barak says, no. 1401 01:21:02,466 --> 01:21:05,077 {\an8}He doesn't wanna agree to the parameters we lay out. 1402 01:21:05,208 --> 01:21:07,819 {\an8}He doesn't wanna proceed the way we proceed. 1403 01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:09,299 {\an8}The president comes out 1404 01:21:09,429 --> 01:21:10,604 {\an8}"Barak doesn't wanna do it." 1405 01:21:14,086 --> 01:21:15,696 Barak said, he felt that 1406 01:21:15,827 --> 01:21:18,308 this was a betrayal of the No Surprise Rule. 1407 01:21:18,395 --> 01:21:20,266 We should not put something on the table 1408 01:21:20,353 --> 01:21:22,312 {\an8}that was not discussed with Israelis first. 1409 01:21:22,442 --> 01:21:24,270 {\an8}And so he told us he thought it was 1410 01:21:24,401 --> 01:21:28,318 {\an8}gonna destroy the trust between our delegations. 1411 01:21:28,448 --> 01:21:30,929 {\an8} From that point on, anything we put on the table 1412 01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:34,150 was coordinated with Barak, and seen by the Palestinians 1413 01:21:34,237 --> 01:21:37,893 as a fulfillment of Arafat's worst fears, 1414 01:21:38,023 --> 01:21:40,373 that Barak and Clinton were ganging up 1415 01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:42,332 {\an8}to impose a deal on him. 1416 01:21:42,462 --> 01:21:44,769 {\an8} We are determined to do our best. 1417 01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:46,466 {\an8} Look, let's be clear. 1418 01:21:46,553 --> 01:21:48,729 {\an8}And I'll put this right on the table. 1419 01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:51,819 If an honest broker means that here are the two sides, 1420 01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:54,039 my left hand and my right hand, 1421 01:21:54,170 --> 01:21:56,085 and an honest broker essentially means 1422 01:21:56,172 --> 01:21:57,913 you adopt positions in the middle, 1423 01:21:58,043 --> 01:22:00,437 that's not the United States. 1424 01:22:00,567 --> 01:22:02,265 We have rarely played that role. 1425 01:22:04,658 --> 01:22:07,879 {\an8} In fact, the Americans' negotiating philosophy has been 1426 01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:11,100 {\an8}the United States coordinates positions with Israel, 1427 01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:14,146 finds out how far Israel can go, 1428 01:22:14,277 --> 01:22:18,150 and then tries to market that outcome to the Palestinians. 1429 01:22:18,281 --> 01:22:20,892 {\an8}Now, if you're a Palestinian, 1430 01:22:20,979 --> 01:22:22,807 {\an8}you have to ask yourself, "Why do I want 1431 01:22:22,938 --> 01:22:24,374 {\an8}the United States in the room?" 1432 01:22:24,504 --> 01:22:26,767 Since all the United States is doing is, 1433 01:22:26,898 --> 01:22:29,857 in Aaron Miller's words, "acting as Israel's lawyer." 1434 01:22:29,988 --> 01:22:32,817 I know a lawyer when I see one. 1435 01:22:32,948 --> 01:22:36,995 And too many people in the Clinton administration, 1436 01:22:37,126 --> 01:22:40,956 myself included, functioned far too frequently 1437 01:22:41,086 --> 01:22:44,481 {\an8}as Israel's lawyer during these negotiations. 1438 01:22:44,568 --> 01:22:47,919 {\an8}Did we have a Palestinian lawyer on our team? 1439 01:23:02,107 --> 01:23:05,154 The idea of Camp David that Barak put to us was, 1440 01:23:05,284 --> 01:23:06,546 we need a leader summit. 1441 01:23:06,677 --> 01:23:08,374 {\an8}We get to Camp David, 1442 01:23:08,505 --> 01:23:10,550 {\an8}and Barak doesn't wanna deal with Arafat. 1443 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:14,467 President Clinton wants to broker a meeting 1444 01:23:14,598 --> 01:23:16,121 between the two leaders. 1445 01:23:16,252 --> 01:23:18,210 Barak doesn't wanna meet. They have dinner. 1446 01:23:18,341 --> 01:23:20,778 {\an8}Barak spends time not talking to Arafat. 1447 01:23:23,172 --> 01:23:26,305 So the whole logic, again, became contradictory. 1448 01:23:26,436 --> 01:23:29,613 Why do you even need the summit if they weren't gonna speak? 1449 01:23:34,835 --> 01:23:38,187 {\an8} After the first days, I feel like we're in deep trouble. 1450 01:23:38,317 --> 01:23:41,190 I have a sinking feeling in my stomach 1451 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:46,108 that this thing now is entirely on the wrong track. 1452 01:23:46,238 --> 01:23:49,546 {\an8}I would occasionally call Debbie, my wife. 1453 01:23:49,633 --> 01:23:52,766 {\an8}She'd say, "How's it going?" And I'll say, "Badly." 1454 01:23:52,897 --> 01:23:55,465 {\an8}I said, "Everything I'm trying, 1455 01:23:55,595 --> 01:23:58,163 {\an8}doesn't matter what I come up with, it's failing." 1456 01:23:58,294 --> 01:24:01,123 {\an8} There are differences that still have to be overcome. 1457 01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:02,994 {\an8}We're still looking for ways to try to do that. 1458 01:24:05,823 --> 01:24:08,782 {\an8} And here we were in an undisciplined summit, 1459 01:24:08,913 --> 01:24:10,871 {\an8}with terrific food, 1460 01:24:11,002 --> 01:24:12,569 {\an8}a lot of activities, 1461 01:24:12,699 --> 01:24:16,268 {\an8}movies, golf carts, 1462 01:24:16,355 --> 01:24:18,096 {\an8}which the Israelis and Palestinians 1463 01:24:18,227 --> 01:24:21,447 {\an8}love driving at excessive speeds. 1464 01:24:21,578 --> 01:24:24,581 {\an8}I remember one senior American official saying to me, 1465 01:24:24,668 --> 01:24:26,757 {\an8}Camp David was about getting up every morning 1466 01:24:26,887 --> 01:24:29,629 {\an8}and asking ourselves, "What do we do today?" 1467 01:24:31,805 --> 01:24:34,721 "What do we do today?" 1468 01:24:34,808 --> 01:24:36,897 At a presidential summit? 1469 01:24:37,028 --> 01:24:39,726 Only the second in the modern history 1470 01:24:39,813 --> 01:24:41,206 of the Arab-Israeli conflict, 1471 01:24:41,337 --> 01:24:44,296 where a president gathers the leaders 1472 01:24:44,427 --> 01:24:46,646 to try to reach an agreement? 1473 01:24:53,218 --> 01:24:56,003 {\an8} The first seven days, 1474 01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:57,918 {\an8}Barak resists everything. 1475 01:24:58,005 --> 01:24:59,616 {\an8}And it's only at the point 1476 01:24:59,746 --> 01:25:01,748 {\an8}the president becomes fed up with him, 1477 01:25:01,835 --> 01:25:04,447 {\an8}where the president says, "It's gonna break my heart. 1478 01:25:04,577 --> 01:25:06,405 {\an8}I've drafted a speech to say we've failed, 1479 01:25:06,536 --> 01:25:08,059 {\an8}and I'm prepared to go give it." 1480 01:25:09,539 --> 01:25:11,323 {\an8}Only when Barak understands 1481 01:25:11,454 --> 01:25:13,151 {\an8}the president is prepared to walk away 1482 01:25:13,238 --> 01:25:15,632 does he finally give us the serious set of moves 1483 01:25:15,719 --> 01:25:18,243 on all the issues. 1484 01:25:18,374 --> 01:25:21,942 The very logic. In a sense, I said to everybody, 1485 01:25:22,029 --> 01:25:24,075 "Get everybody in the pressure cooker." 1486 01:25:24,206 --> 01:25:26,208 And it worked. It worked on him, not Arafat. 1487 01:25:27,948 --> 01:25:29,820 {\an8}Now Barak finally said, 1488 01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:32,649 {\an8}here's what he was prepared to offer on borders, 1489 01:25:32,779 --> 01:25:34,999 {\an8}and what he was prepared to offer on Jerusalem, as well. 1490 01:25:36,653 --> 01:25:38,698 {\an8}He's prepared, in Jerusalem, 1491 01:25:38,829 --> 01:25:40,918 {\an8}for all the outer neighborhoods 1492 01:25:41,048 --> 01:25:42,833 {\an8}to have Palestinian sovereignty, 1493 01:25:42,963 --> 01:25:45,183 {\an8}and he's prepared 1494 01:25:45,314 --> 01:25:47,577 {\an8}to allow the Christian and Muslim Quarters 1495 01:25:47,707 --> 01:25:49,535 {\an8}of the Old City to be Palestinian. 1496 01:25:52,103 --> 01:25:54,627 {\an8} You have to understand that the issue of Jerusalem 1497 01:25:54,758 --> 01:25:58,109 {\an8}was never negotiated before Camp David. 1498 01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,157 So when he came to Clinton with this offer 1499 01:26:02,244 --> 01:26:04,768 that the Arab suburbs of Jerusalem 1500 01:26:04,898 --> 01:26:06,900 would be under Palestinian sovereignty, 1501 01:26:07,031 --> 01:26:09,512 this was very impressive. 1502 01:26:09,642 --> 01:26:11,296 And so we grabbed it, 1503 01:26:11,427 --> 01:26:13,646 and Clinton proposed it to Arafat. 1504 01:26:16,475 --> 01:26:18,260 {\an8} When Clinton finally does it, 1505 01:26:18,347 --> 01:26:20,566 {\an8}I'm listening through the crack in the door, 1506 01:26:20,653 --> 01:26:22,786 {\an8}and the president does it brilliantly. 1507 01:26:22,916 --> 01:26:26,398 He goes through how hard it was to produce this. 1508 01:26:26,529 --> 01:26:28,531 This is what's possible. 1509 01:26:28,661 --> 01:26:30,446 He's gonna have a state. 1510 01:26:30,576 --> 01:26:33,797 {\an8}He's gonna have a capital in a part of Jerusalem. 1511 01:26:33,927 --> 01:26:35,407 {\an8}He's gonna have sovereignty 1512 01:26:35,538 --> 01:26:36,495 {\an8}in the Muslim and Christian Quarters. 1513 01:26:36,582 --> 01:26:37,714 {\an8}He goes through it all. 1514 01:26:39,672 --> 01:26:41,065 {\an8} 1515 01:26:41,196 --> 01:26:43,023 {\an8}"In the past, 1516 01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:45,548 {\an8}Palestinians didn't control their own destiny. 1517 01:26:45,635 --> 01:26:48,551 {\an8}And each time after you weren't able to say yes, 1518 01:26:48,681 --> 01:26:49,247 {\an8}you were worse off. 1519 01:26:50,944 --> 01:26:52,685 {\an8}This time, if you say no, 1520 01:26:52,816 --> 01:26:54,948 {\an8}when people look back and they regret it, 1521 01:26:55,079 --> 01:26:56,907 {\an8}they'll have nobody to blame. 1522 01:26:57,037 --> 01:26:59,126 {\an8}It'll be you. This was your chance. 1523 01:26:59,257 --> 01:27:01,346 {\an8}Don't let the next generation blame you 1524 01:27:01,433 --> 01:27:02,782 {\an8}for missing the opportunity." 1525 01:27:05,263 --> 01:27:07,265 {\an8}And Arafat says he has to think about it. 1526 01:27:07,352 --> 01:27:09,354 {\an8}He has questions. He has to think about it. 1527 01:27:09,485 --> 01:27:11,051 {\an8}He goes off. 1528 01:27:11,182 --> 01:27:13,053 Afterwards, the president's feeling good. 1529 01:27:13,184 --> 01:27:15,665 He feels like he did it well. He feels like-- 1530 01:27:15,795 --> 01:27:19,321 The way he reads Arafat, he feels like Arafat was... 1531 01:27:19,408 --> 01:27:21,061 You know, he felt like he had him. 1532 01:27:23,412 --> 01:27:25,240 {\an8}So it's like 1 in the morning. 1533 01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:26,806 {\an8}I go to sleep, and I fall asleep. 1534 01:27:31,202 --> 01:27:33,465 The next thing I know, it's the morning. 1535 01:27:33,596 --> 01:27:36,903 Uh, I'm told that they came back during the night, 1536 01:27:37,034 --> 01:27:39,210 and Sandy has, you know, basically said, 1537 01:27:39,341 --> 01:27:41,734 "Look, it's take it or leave it." 1538 01:27:41,865 --> 01:27:43,388 Uh... 1539 01:27:43,519 --> 01:27:44,998 And so they say no. 1540 01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:08,544 {\an8}I felt sick. 1541 01:28:11,068 --> 01:28:13,505 I felt physically sick. 1542 01:28:15,942 --> 01:28:17,727 {\an8}I felt in my stomach 1543 01:28:17,857 --> 01:28:21,644 {\an8}that this was a high-stakes venture that had failed, 1544 01:28:21,774 --> 01:28:24,124 {\an8}and that I bore responsibility, 1545 01:28:24,255 --> 01:28:28,128 {\an8}because, in the end, I pushed for it. 1546 01:28:28,215 --> 01:28:29,391 You didn't push for it. 1547 01:28:29,521 --> 01:28:31,218 But I did in the end. But I did. 1548 01:28:31,306 --> 01:28:33,177 I did in the end. I knew better. 1549 01:28:33,308 --> 01:28:35,484 I should have known also that 1550 01:28:35,614 --> 01:28:37,703 this wasn't the only time we could hold a summit. 1551 01:28:37,834 --> 01:28:39,401 {\an8}I should have known that. 1552 01:28:45,407 --> 01:28:48,540 {\an8} Arafat said no. We couldn't understand it. 1553 01:28:48,671 --> 01:28:50,499 How could he reject such an offer? 1554 01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:53,197 He could never have hoped to get such an offer. 1555 01:28:53,284 --> 01:28:54,938 But we didn't understand at the time-- 1556 01:28:55,068 --> 01:28:56,548 It's obvious in retrospect. 1557 01:28:56,679 --> 01:28:58,550 But at the time, what we didn't understand was 1558 01:28:58,681 --> 01:29:00,770 this was an end-of-conflict deal. 1559 01:29:00,900 --> 01:29:02,249 This was it. 1560 01:29:02,380 --> 01:29:04,687 There was no chance to revise it, 1561 01:29:04,817 --> 01:29:06,515 get a better deal later. 1562 01:29:06,645 --> 01:29:09,518 Barak was insisting this was it, end of claims. 1563 01:29:09,648 --> 01:29:13,696 And the proposal would have left Israel 1564 01:29:13,826 --> 01:29:16,002 with sovereignty on the Temple Mount, 1565 01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:17,787 {\an8}Haram al-Sharif, 1566 01:29:17,874 --> 01:29:21,530 {\an8}with the Al Aqsa Mosque in Israel's hands. 1567 01:29:21,660 --> 01:29:24,054 {\an8}This was exactly what Arafat needed 1568 01:29:24,184 --> 01:29:26,230 {\an8}to be able to reject the whole thing, 1569 01:29:26,361 --> 01:29:29,712 because no Arab leader, as he told Clinton, 1570 01:29:29,842 --> 01:29:33,019 no Arab leader would accept 1571 01:29:33,106 --> 01:29:35,935 {\an8}that sovereignty over the third-holiest mosque in Islam 1572 01:29:36,066 --> 01:29:38,938 {\an8}would be in Israel's hands. 1573 01:29:39,069 --> 01:29:40,984 Arafat thought that if he would agree, 1574 01:29:41,114 --> 01:29:42,377 he would be killed. 1575 01:29:42,507 --> 01:29:44,727 And I remember 1576 01:29:44,857 --> 01:29:47,643 "So be it. I could be killed, you could be killed. 1577 01:29:47,773 --> 01:29:50,297 Any leader who wants to change the reality could be killed." 1578 01:29:53,083 --> 01:29:56,042 {\an8} We were the ones who were supposed to present Arafat 1579 01:29:56,173 --> 01:29:59,742 {\an8}with a series of ultimata and pressure him to accept it. 1580 01:29:59,872 --> 01:30:03,049 {\an8}That was Barak's whole logic, to use us, 1581 01:30:03,136 --> 01:30:04,921 {\an8}and use the president's credibility 1582 01:30:05,051 --> 01:30:06,836 {\an8}to pry out of Arafat 1583 01:30:06,966 --> 01:30:10,622 concessions in the cauldron and the heat of the summit. 1584 01:30:10,753 --> 01:30:14,191 As if Arafat, with the burden of Jerusalem on his shoulders, 1585 01:30:14,321 --> 01:30:16,715 was going to cave in and collapse 1586 01:30:16,802 --> 01:30:18,804 in front of this mighty effort 1587 01:30:18,935 --> 01:30:20,937 on the part of President Clinton, 1588 01:30:21,024 --> 01:30:25,028 when you had a billion Muslims in the world 1589 01:30:25,158 --> 01:30:28,988 who would have issued fatwas for his death 1590 01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:32,818 had he compromised on any aspect of the Jerusalem issue? 1591 01:30:41,392 --> 01:30:45,309 {\an8}Barak and Clinton, each in their own way, 1592 01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:49,705 {\an8}wrongly believed that the power of personality, 1593 01:30:49,835 --> 01:30:53,622 {\an8}and the power of persuasion, and the power of manipulation 1594 01:30:53,752 --> 01:30:57,016 {\an8}could somehow transform and change Arafat. 1595 01:30:59,845 --> 01:31:02,457 They wanted to ascend a mountain 1596 01:31:02,587 --> 01:31:06,896 by the very power of their own personas, their own logic, 1597 01:31:07,026 --> 01:31:10,334 and what they believed to be, wrongly again, 1598 01:31:10,421 --> 01:31:14,294 a moment for Clinton and for Barak. 1599 01:31:14,425 --> 01:31:19,648 And that is why both of them hold Arafat in such contempt, 1600 01:31:19,778 --> 01:31:26,176 fundamentally responsible for not recognizing his moment. 1601 01:31:26,306 --> 01:31:27,569 {\an8}It was their moment, 1602 01:31:27,699 --> 01:31:31,181 {\an8}and yet Arafat didn't understand 1603 01:31:31,311 --> 01:31:34,489 {\an8}that he was part of this plan of great leadership. 1604 01:31:57,076 --> 01:32:00,036 Trying and failing is much better 1605 01:32:00,166 --> 01:32:01,864 than not having tried at all, 1606 01:32:01,994 --> 01:32:04,693 and I remember the president saying that to us. 1607 01:32:04,823 --> 01:32:06,869 I was inspired by it. 1608 01:32:06,999 --> 01:32:11,264 But, you see, that's a slogan for a college football team. 1609 01:32:11,395 --> 01:32:14,093 It's not a substitute for a foreign policy 1610 01:32:14,224 --> 01:32:17,009 of the most consequential nation on earth. 1611 01:32:17,140 --> 01:32:19,055 Failure costs. 1612 01:32:19,185 --> 01:32:20,535 I don't know. I mean, 1613 01:32:20,665 --> 01:32:23,102 I don't wanna be too hard on the process. 1614 01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:25,235 I include myself in this. 1615 01:32:25,365 --> 01:32:29,369 I was as much a part of this enterprise as anybody else, 1616 01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:31,546 in terms of wanting it to succeed. 1617 01:32:31,676 --> 01:32:35,158 I just believe, when I look back now, 1618 01:32:35,288 --> 01:32:38,509 we saw the world the way we wanted it to be. 1619 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,034 We did not see the world the way it was. 1620 01:32:55,874 --> 01:32:57,136 BARAK 1621 01:33:17,853 --> 01:33:21,160 That summit, with the best of intentions, 1622 01:33:21,291 --> 01:33:23,206 and the best of purposes, 1623 01:33:23,293 --> 01:33:25,774 {\an8}laid the basis for a trauma 1624 01:33:25,904 --> 01:33:28,211 {\an8}in the Israeli-Palestinian relationship 1625 01:33:28,341 --> 01:33:32,563 {\an8}from which that relationship has not yet recovered. 1626 01:33:36,262 --> 01:33:38,221 It was a very hard time, 1627 01:33:38,351 --> 01:33:41,180 as everything we'd strived for 1628 01:33:41,311 --> 01:33:45,141 had just come apart, destroyed. 1629 01:33:45,271 --> 01:33:48,492 {\an8}All of our efforts had gone up in flames. 1630 01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:52,148 {\an8}Instead of comprehensive peace, we ended up with misery 1631 01:33:52,278 --> 01:33:54,890 {\an8}on both sides, 1632 01:33:55,020 --> 01:33:56,935 {\an8}and there was nothing I could do about it. 1633 01:34:05,988 --> 01:34:09,469 {\an8} Two or three days before the end of Clinton's presidency, 1634 01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,820 {\an8}Arafat calls to say goodbye to him, 1635 01:34:11,950 --> 01:34:15,040 {\an8}and he tells him, "You're a great man." 1636 01:34:15,171 --> 01:34:17,695 {\an8}And the president says, "I'm not a great man. 1637 01:34:17,826 --> 01:34:19,175 {\an8}I'm a failure. 1638 01:34:19,305 --> 01:34:20,393 {\an8}And you made me a failure." 1639 01:34:36,845 --> 01:34:40,675 {\an8} In March of '02, I was trying to help negotiate a ceasefire 1640 01:34:40,805 --> 01:34:42,720 {\an8}between Israelis and Palestinians. 1641 01:34:42,851 --> 01:34:45,767 {\an8}I went to see Arafat at the Mukataa. 1642 01:34:45,897 --> 01:34:49,248 {\an8}The door was barricaded. Mukataa was dark. 1643 01:34:49,379 --> 01:34:53,122 We made our way up to Arafat's second-floor conference room. 1644 01:34:53,252 --> 01:34:56,952 {\an8}There in the conference room, with the windows blacked out, 1645 01:34:57,082 --> 01:35:01,304 {\an8}candles on the table, Arafat in full battle regalia, 1646 01:35:01,434 --> 01:35:06,526 with his machine pistol sitting on top of the table. 1647 01:35:06,657 --> 01:35:09,312 And it was then I understood 1648 01:35:09,442 --> 01:35:13,403 {\an8}that the struggler was so much a part of Arafat's identity 1649 01:35:13,533 --> 01:35:16,275 {\an8}that he was, in many respects, in his element. 1650 01:35:21,019 --> 01:35:24,849 {\an8}The last time I saw him was October of '04. 1651 01:35:24,980 --> 01:35:28,548 {\an8}Arafat had so fundamentally changed in appearance 1652 01:35:28,635 --> 01:35:32,944 {\an8}that I didn't even realize it was the same person. 1653 01:35:33,031 --> 01:35:35,773 {\an8}He had on a ski hat. 1654 01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:37,949 {\an8}He looked like a senior 1655 01:35:38,036 --> 01:35:41,605 {\an8}in a retirement community in Florida. 1656 01:35:41,692 --> 01:35:43,346 And I thought to myself 1657 01:35:43,433 --> 01:35:46,566 how absurd this was, the whole enterprise. 1658 01:35:46,697 --> 01:35:49,091 Within two weeks, he was dead. 1659 01:36:02,539 --> 01:36:04,367 {\an8} Bush ramped up talks 1660 01:36:04,497 --> 01:36:07,109 {\an8}with the Israeli and Palestinian prime ministers. 1661 01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:08,850 {\an8} ...promised high-level talks... 1662 01:36:08,980 --> 01:36:10,939 {\an8} It has been another bloody day 1663 01:36:11,026 --> 01:36:12,897 {\an8}for Israelis and Palestinians... 1664 01:36:13,028 --> 01:36:16,074 {\an8} ...have gathered in Annapolis, Maryland... 1665 01:36:16,205 --> 01:36:19,599 {\an8} The goal, a peace agreement by the end of next year. 1666 01:36:29,522 --> 01:36:31,829 {\an8} ...Israeli officer just outside Jerusalem. 1667 01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,224 {\an8} The attacks across the Gaza Strip have left over... 1668 01:36:35,354 --> 01:36:37,835 {\an8} ...efforts to secure Arab-Israeli peace... 1669 01:36:37,966 --> 01:36:40,011 {\an8} Secretary of State John Kerry 1670 01:36:40,142 --> 01:36:42,448 {\an8}goes to Jerusalem today to meet with Israeli... 1671 01:36:42,579 --> 01:36:45,408 {\an8} This morning, Israeli police shot and killed 1672 01:36:45,538 --> 01:36:48,411 {\an8}a Palestinian youngster after he stabbed an Israeli officer, 1673 01:36:48,541 --> 01:36:51,022 {\an8}just outside Jerusalem... 1674 01:36:51,153 --> 01:36:53,198 {\an8} President Obama tried to revive 1675 01:36:53,329 --> 01:36:55,157 {\an8}Israeli-Palestinian peace talks today... 1676 01:37:16,178 --> 01:37:20,791 It's a history of missed opportunities. 1677 01:37:20,922 --> 01:37:22,662 And the missed opportunities were not just, 1678 01:37:22,793 --> 01:37:24,403 as Israelis love to believe, 1679 01:37:24,534 --> 01:37:26,362 it was just the Arabs or the Palestinians 1680 01:37:26,492 --> 01:37:28,755 that missed the opportunities. 1681 01:37:28,886 --> 01:37:32,368 Israel and the United States missed the opportunities too. 1682 01:37:32,498 --> 01:37:33,804 And it's a tragedy. 1683 01:37:33,891 --> 01:37:35,806 It's a terrible tragedy 1684 01:37:35,937 --> 01:37:38,417 that we couldn't get the Syrian deal 1685 01:37:38,504 --> 01:37:40,724 and we couldn't get the Palestinian deal. 1686 01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:44,467 {\an8} Looking back right now, 1687 01:37:44,597 --> 01:37:46,425 {\an8}if I could change one thing, 1688 01:37:46,556 --> 01:37:48,166 {\an8}I would take the word "peace," 1689 01:37:48,297 --> 01:37:51,474 {\an8}and I would find another word for it. 1690 01:37:51,604 --> 01:37:53,693 We've never had it between Arabs and Israelis 1691 01:37:53,824 --> 01:37:56,392 in the sense that you and I would understand. 1692 01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:57,872 We don't have it now. 1693 01:37:58,002 --> 01:38:00,875 And I would essentially not use that word, 1694 01:38:01,005 --> 01:38:04,008 because it creates false expectations, 1695 01:38:04,139 --> 01:38:08,012 and it creates a level of aspiration 1696 01:38:08,143 --> 01:38:10,362 that we can't-- We can't achieve. 1697 01:38:16,455 --> 01:38:19,371 {\an8} For decades, we've tried so many ways on negotiations 1698 01:38:19,458 --> 01:38:21,417 {\an8}in so many different iterations. 1699 01:38:21,504 --> 01:38:23,071 {\an8}It all failed. 1700 01:38:23,201 --> 01:38:25,160 {\an8}Even today, there are a lot of people 1701 01:38:25,290 --> 01:38:27,902 who say all we need to do is just keep the process alive, 1702 01:38:28,032 --> 01:38:30,992 because without a process, just the process, 1703 01:38:31,122 --> 01:38:33,472 things will get worse, things will collapse. 1704 01:38:33,603 --> 01:38:35,039 It's the bicycle metaphor. 1705 01:38:35,170 --> 01:38:36,998 The bicycle needs to keep moving. 1706 01:38:37,128 --> 01:38:39,826 There's the other view, which is, 1707 01:38:39,957 --> 01:38:43,482 if we simply keep the process alive, 1708 01:38:43,613 --> 01:38:46,007 we are distorting the perceptions of both sides, 1709 01:38:46,137 --> 01:38:47,965 we're enabling the status quo, 1710 01:38:48,052 --> 01:38:51,055 and, in fact, far from pushing towards a decision, 1711 01:38:51,142 --> 01:38:53,492 we are facilitating the perpetuation 1712 01:38:53,579 --> 01:38:55,581 of a status quo we claim is unsustainable. 1713 01:38:57,322 --> 01:38:59,107 "Let's bring them together and negotiate," 1714 01:38:59,237 --> 01:39:00,847 and they don't reach a deal, 1715 01:39:00,978 --> 01:39:02,762 at some point, this looks like a farce. 1716 01:39:07,071 --> 01:39:10,857 The United States will encourage a peace, 1717 01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:13,730 and, really, a great peace deal. 1718 01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:18,300 We'll be working on it very, very diligently. 1719 01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:20,998 Bibi and I have known each other a long time, 1720 01:39:21,129 --> 01:39:23,783 a smart man, great negotiator, 1721 01:39:23,870 --> 01:39:25,524 and I think we're gonna make a deal. 1722 01:39:25,655 --> 01:39:27,048 Might be a bigger and better deal 1723 01:39:27,178 --> 01:39:29,354 than people in this room even understand. 1724 01:39:29,485 --> 01:39:32,140 That's a possibility. So let's see what we do. 1725 01:39:34,142 --> 01:39:34,838 Let's try. 1726 01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:38,494 Doesn't sound too optimistic, but... 1727 01:39:42,019 --> 01:39:44,239 Dennis, the Middle East 1728 01:39:44,326 --> 01:39:46,719 is in the middle of profound transformation. 1729 01:39:46,806 --> 01:39:49,200 There are many in Israel relieved you never succeeded 1730 01:39:49,287 --> 01:39:51,159 with the Palestinian and the Syrian. 1731 01:39:51,289 --> 01:39:53,030 I know they say that. 1732 01:39:53,117 --> 01:39:54,858 Israel would have handed over the Golan Heights, 1733 01:39:54,945 --> 01:39:56,991 leaving itself directly exposed to attacks 1734 01:39:57,121 --> 01:40:00,037 from Assad's friends, Iran and Hezbollah. 1735 01:40:00,168 --> 01:40:03,388 The whole Middle East might've been different if you had peace. 1736 01:40:03,519 --> 01:40:07,175 You know, it's like the track, the possibility not taken, 1737 01:40:07,305 --> 01:40:09,220 you don't know all the other things 1738 01:40:09,351 --> 01:40:11,048 that would've taken place at the same time. 1739 01:40:11,179 --> 01:40:14,225 People today say, "Oh, how lucky we were 1740 01:40:14,312 --> 01:40:16,532 that the deal wasn't made." 1741 01:40:16,619 --> 01:40:19,578 But what they miss is that it would have changed everything. 1742 01:40:21,102 --> 01:40:23,452 What do you mean? 1743 01:40:23,539 --> 01:40:27,195 Because I believe we would have gotten a comprehensive peace, 1744 01:40:27,325 --> 01:40:30,067 with the Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. 1745 01:40:30,198 --> 01:40:33,592 Do you think the fate of Syria would have been different? 1746 01:40:33,723 --> 01:40:34,985 If Syria--You cannot tell me-- 1747 01:40:35,116 --> 01:40:38,945 If Syria had made a peace deal with Israel, 1748 01:40:39,076 --> 01:40:40,947 circumstances would've been different. 1749 01:40:41,078 --> 01:40:43,167 The future of the Middle East would have been different. 1750 01:40:43,254 --> 01:40:45,343 I can't tell you exactly how, 1751 01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:48,825 but it would be dramatically different to the way it is now. 1752 01:40:54,874 --> 01:40:58,878 {\an8} It's a mistake to assume all sides are eager to have peace. 1753 01:40:58,965 --> 01:41:02,404 It's always easy to have an enemy out there. 1754 01:41:02,534 --> 01:41:05,102 Peace is hard work, 1755 01:41:05,233 --> 01:41:07,626 and changing minds, changing hearts, 1756 01:41:07,757 --> 01:41:09,498 accepting the other side. 1757 01:41:09,585 --> 01:41:12,022 You really have to look at tomorrow 1758 01:41:12,153 --> 01:41:14,546 and what you're gonna do about tomorrow. 1759 01:41:14,633 --> 01:41:17,375 A lot of parties feel comfort in the past. 1760 01:41:22,685 --> 01:41:26,776 {\an8}As a matter of fact, today, I cannot think of a way 1761 01:41:26,906 --> 01:41:31,215 {\an8}to really settle the Palestinian-Israeli issue. 1762 01:41:31,346 --> 01:41:34,131 Is the idea of two-state solution still possible? 1763 01:41:34,218 --> 01:41:36,307 I doubt it. I really don't think it's there. 1764 01:41:38,744 --> 01:41:42,270 {\an8}When you look at the animosity and the hatred that exists, 1765 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,489 {\an8}the human side is completely out. 1766 01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:49,799 {\an8}People just love to demonize the other side. 1767 01:41:49,886 --> 01:41:52,541 {\an8}All their ills is because of the other side. 1768 01:41:52,671 --> 01:41:55,805 {\an8}All their problems, because of the other side. 1769 01:41:55,935 --> 01:41:57,676 {\an8}And unfortunately, today, 1770 01:41:57,807 --> 01:41:59,461 the leaders are basically 1771 01:41:59,591 --> 01:42:01,811 a reflection of their own societies. 1772 01:42:01,941 --> 01:42:07,469 And unless you are planning on accepting the other side, 1773 01:42:07,599 --> 01:42:10,776 there is zero hope for a solution. 142364

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