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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,376 --> 00:00:04,496 - NARRATOR: We're so used to seeing Marvel and DC dominate our pop culture 2 00:00:04,504 --> 00:00:06,174 that we forget there was time when this wasn't always the case. 3 00:00:09,092 --> 00:00:11,852 Not long ago, comic books were thought of as kids' stuff, 4 00:00:11,845 --> 00:00:13,925 and anyone older than ten who was still reading them was a freak. 5 00:00:16,099 --> 00:00:18,939 But even as older fans found ways to meet and support each other... 6 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:21,435 many remained divided by which publisher had their allegiance, 7 00:00:21,438 --> 00:00:23,228 DC or Marvel. 8 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:24,821 - Who do you think would win in a fist fight? 9 00:00:26,651 --> 00:00:29,451 - NARRATOR: There was one fan though, in the unlikeliest of places, 10 00:00:29,446 --> 00:00:33,116 who helped inspire a clandestine collaboration to unite Marvel and DC. 11 00:00:33,116 --> 00:00:34,276 And this fan did it all... 12 00:00:34,284 --> 00:00:34,994 - [softly] I'm Batman 13 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:36,789 - NARRATOR: ...while wearing tights. 14 00:00:37,954 --> 00:00:42,004 ♪ 15 00:00:44,669 --> 00:00:47,459 Tom Fagan was a huge comic book fan. 16 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:49,724 And every years he threw a big superhero-themed Halloween parade 17 00:00:49,716 --> 00:00:51,586 in Rutland, Vermont. 18 00:00:51,593 --> 00:00:54,513 He'd get people to dress up as Spider-Man, and Joker, and Doctor Doom, 19 00:00:54,512 --> 00:00:56,142 and put them all on floats. 20 00:00:56,139 --> 00:00:59,269 - To have a parade that celebrated superheroes 21 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:02,097 and allowed adults, of all people, to dress up as them-- 22 00:01:02,103 --> 00:01:03,813 That was unheard of. 23 00:01:03,813 --> 00:01:06,153 - I can't imagine that the people in Rutland, Vermont 24 00:01:06,149 --> 00:01:09,439 were less than bewildered by what was going on. 25 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:12,664 A low-scale comic book Woodstock. [chuckles] 26 00:01:12,655 --> 00:01:14,815 - NARRATOR: Tom was always the grand marshal of the parade. 27 00:01:14,824 --> 00:01:16,284 - [knocking on door] - Yeah. 28 00:01:18,244 --> 00:01:19,584 - Hey, Tom. All ready when you are. 29 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:29,673 - CONWAY: It may well be the first real public appearance of cosplay. 30 00:01:29,672 --> 00:01:33,472 - In 1969, my wife Jean and I went up there... 31 00:01:33,468 --> 00:01:35,388 and we wore the costumes-- 32 00:01:35,386 --> 00:01:37,306 I was Spider-Man and she was Invisible Girl. 33 00:01:37,305 --> 00:01:39,345 We just all had a good time. 34 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:43,019 And so I decided to write a story that was set at the Rutland Parade. 35 00:01:43,019 --> 00:01:45,059 I wrote Tom Fagan in. 36 00:01:45,063 --> 00:01:48,153 The only problem was Tom Fagan was always wearing a Batman costume. 37 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:50,489 - NARRATOR: Since Roy worked for Marvel... 38 00:01:50,485 --> 00:01:54,695 Tom's customary Batman costume would have ruffled DC's feathers. 39 00:01:54,697 --> 00:01:58,487 So he got around the problem by making Tom into Nighthawk. 40 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:00,953 [gasps] 41 00:02:00,954 --> 00:02:02,544 - NARRATOR: Now that Tom's superfandom 42 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:05,419 had made it all the way to the pages of the comics themselves, 43 00:02:05,416 --> 00:02:08,956 buzz about these parties in Rutland began to spread amongst the comic creators. 44 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:11,672 - STARLIN: This was just a chance for a bunch f geeks to come out of the closet 45 00:02:11,673 --> 00:02:13,633 and have a good time and party together. 46 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:16,683 It sort of became legendary on that fact. 47 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:19,098 - Over the next couple of years, just, more people started coming. 48 00:02:19,097 --> 00:02:20,387 Plus, a number of professionals. 49 00:02:22,016 --> 00:02:25,056 - ENGLEHART: One day, a couple of people from Marvel ad DC 50 00:02:25,061 --> 00:02:27,441 decided to go up there and see this thing. 51 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:29,068 - There was division, you know. 52 00:02:29,065 --> 00:02:31,315 You were either a Marvel writer or a DC writer. 53 00:02:31,317 --> 00:02:32,897 But we all partied together. 54 00:02:32,902 --> 00:02:35,162 We all hung out together. We were all friends. 55 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:37,905 We were driving up in Steve Englehart's car and halfway up... 56 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:40,077 - [mimicking metallic scraping] 57 00:02:40,076 --> 00:02:41,036 - CONWAY: ...the muffler fell off. 58 00:02:41,035 --> 00:02:43,115 Which did not bode well 59 00:02:43,121 --> 00:02:46,791 when we were actually fairly high on mescaline. 60 00:02:46,791 --> 00:02:49,131 It was a continuous party. [laughs] 61 00:02:49,127 --> 00:02:51,167 I mean, there was a lot of drinking, there was a lot of partying, 62 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:53,631 there was a lot of illegal substances. 63 00:02:53,631 --> 00:02:56,381 - ENGLEHART: I distinctly remember how weird t was. 64 00:02:56,384 --> 00:02:58,554 We went out to some mansion that Fagan-- 65 00:02:58,553 --> 00:03:01,183 Either he lived in or he had rented for a party. 66 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:04,101 And everybody was in a costume. 67 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:07,100 - STARLIN: Late into the night, the beer kept coming. 68 00:03:07,103 --> 00:03:10,483 Somebody, unfortunately, found a bottle at one point... 69 00:03:10,481 --> 00:03:12,611 that turned out to be urine. 70 00:03:12,609 --> 00:03:15,449 - We were just saying, you know, "This was such a weird experience. 71 00:03:15,445 --> 00:03:17,815 We have to find some way to memorialize it. 72 00:03:17,822 --> 00:03:19,782 And wouldn't it be cool?" 73 00:03:19,782 --> 00:03:23,452 And most of the dangerous things that happen in comics start with... 74 00:03:23,453 --> 00:03:24,543 "Wouldn't it be cool?" 75 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:27,917 ♪ 76 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:31,666 "Wouldn't it be cool if we did a story that involved the three of us 77 00:03:31,669 --> 00:03:34,799 across three different books published by two differet companies?" 78 00:03:34,797 --> 00:03:37,627 - Jerry wrote for Marvel but Len wrote for DC. 79 00:03:37,634 --> 00:03:39,434 But we said, "We can do this." 80 00:03:39,427 --> 00:03:42,057 And so we worked out this plot. 81 00:03:42,055 --> 00:03:45,675 Me and Gerry and Len and Glynis in the car with no muffler... 82 00:03:45,683 --> 00:03:47,733 [clanking, scraping] 83 00:03:47,727 --> 00:03:49,847 ...wandering through the background. 84 00:03:49,854 --> 00:03:52,194 - NARRATOR: They came up with a secret plan fora continuous story line 85 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:55,820 that would crossover between both Marvel and DC titles. 86 00:03:55,818 --> 00:03:58,778 Starting with The Beast at Marvel, continuing in Marvel's Mighty Thor, 87 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,120 and then wrapping up in DC's Justice League. 88 00:04:01,115 --> 00:04:02,865 Without the greenlight from their bosses, 89 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:04,827 the writers and artists were taking a huge chance 90 00:04:04,827 --> 00:04:07,327 trying to sneak these stories throughout the three books. 91 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:10,380 - We didn't ell our editors. [laughs] 92 00:04:10,375 --> 00:04:12,835 - If you'd gotten the company sued-- That would not have been a good thing. 93 00:04:12,835 --> 00:04:15,915 - THOMAS: They just barely somehow managed to do it... 94 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:19,302 so that DC didn't get too offended, Marvel didn't get too offended. 95 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:20,760 - NARRATOR: Only the savviest readers 96 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,180 were able to trace their adventures across the books. 97 00:04:23,179 --> 00:04:25,599 It was kind of just an inside joke for the writers and artists. 98 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:27,888 But it was also the first time ever 99 00:04:27,892 --> 00:04:31,602 that fans got to see a crossover between these iconic characters. 100 00:04:31,604 --> 00:04:35,444 - There was a float that had Superman, Batman, Spider-Man-- 101 00:04:35,441 --> 00:04:37,281 And, you know, Thor. 102 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:39,737 - LE CLEAR: There's a battle between Batman and Spider-Man. 103 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:41,777 And Spider-Man and Green Lantern. 104 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:44,581 But you can see it's not really-- It's just a guy in a Halloween costume. 105 00:04:46,077 --> 00:04:49,287 One of the things that made these parties so successful 106 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,249 is how welcome everyone felt. 107 00:04:51,249 --> 00:04:53,459 You walked into a world where you could clearly see 108 00:04:53,459 --> 00:04:56,339 that everyone felt the same kind of passion as you did. 109 00:04:56,337 --> 00:04:59,007 - One year, Tom actually had a Nighthawk costume made. 110 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:01,427 And he wore that instead of the Batman costume. 111 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:04,886 So it was life imitating art imitating life, etc. 112 00:05:04,887 --> 00:05:07,637 - NARRATOR: Tom's love of superheroes was so pure and true 113 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,850 that his enthusiasm spread to not only the people of Rutland... 114 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:13,442 but also to the comic book creators themselves. 115 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:15,438 But every party comes to an end. 116 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,900 Marvel and DC were in fact rivals. 117 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:20,900 And the next few years saw a tug of war between the two companies 118 00:05:20,903 --> 00:05:24,123 until Marvel eventually overtook DC in sales. 119 00:05:24,115 --> 00:05:26,365 But just as Marvel got used to being on top... 120 00:05:26,367 --> 00:05:28,327 their foundations started to crack, 121 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:30,828 and a legendary partnership would fall apart. 122 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,000 - You're gonna love this one, Stan. 123 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:34,038 ♪ 10197

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