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It doesn't really leave my hand very much. 9 00:00:28,462 --> 00:00:31,432 My iPhone is the most critical device I have. 10 00:00:31,465 --> 00:00:32,866 WILLIAMS: Do you love that phone a lot? 11 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:34,868 Um, I'm pretty attached to it, yes. 12 00:00:34,902 --> 00:00:36,304 (LAUGHING) 13 00:00:37,105 --> 00:00:39,473 I'd be lost without it, probably. 14 00:00:50,718 --> 00:00:54,655 WILLIAMS: I'm also attached to my phone, my computer, my tablet. 15 00:00:57,057 --> 00:01:00,161 And it amazes me how, in just 20 years, 16 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:03,631 they've completely changed the way I live and communicate. 17 00:01:08,169 --> 00:01:10,604 Our devices are sleek and elegant. 18 00:01:14,242 --> 00:01:16,877 We store our lives in a beautiful cloud. 19 00:01:26,754 --> 00:01:31,359 I started making this film to explore the impact of our digital revolution. 20 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,897 And then, secrets the industry tried to hide for years 21 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:38,366 began to spill out. 22 00:01:50,344 --> 00:01:53,514 How our electronics are made and unmade, 23 00:01:53,547 --> 00:01:55,516 is dirty and dangerous. 24 00:01:55,549 --> 00:01:58,619 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 25 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:01,655 It's a global story of damaged lives, 26 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:03,591 environmental destruction, 27 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:06,327 and devices that are designed to die. 28 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:44,932 MA JUN: In China, massive industrialization 29 00:02:44,965 --> 00:02:49,937 has put a huge pressure on our ecosystem and on the environment. 30 00:02:53,441 --> 00:02:55,343 When it comes to IT industry, 31 00:02:55,376 --> 00:02:58,178 many people think it's, uh... 32 00:02:58,212 --> 00:03:01,849 It's green or naturally it's green. 33 00:03:01,882 --> 00:03:06,019 Or some people think it's, even think it's "virtual." 34 00:03:06,053 --> 00:03:08,922 But in our investigation, we've found it's not like that. 35 00:03:22,135 --> 00:03:26,006 This pollution is having all kinds of different consequences 36 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:28,876 but I think that the top impact, 37 00:03:28,909 --> 00:03:32,513 the biggest impact is on public health. 38 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:36,183 We have nearly 300 million rural residents 39 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:39,520 who don't have access to sufficient safe drinking water. 40 00:03:53,301 --> 00:03:56,504 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 41 00:04:21,395 --> 00:04:23,297 MA JUN: I keep thinking about the moment 42 00:04:23,331 --> 00:04:27,835 when I face all this environmental and social damage 43 00:04:27,868 --> 00:04:30,137 on that river, you know, 44 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:34,274 which carries all this waste to the lake beside the Yangtze River. 45 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,944 And these old ladies 46 00:04:36,977 --> 00:04:40,881 suddenly kneeled down on their knees in front of me. 47 00:04:41,582 --> 00:04:43,917 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 48 00:04:47,955 --> 00:04:52,593 MA JUN: I don't have any government administrative power, 49 00:04:52,626 --> 00:04:56,196 I don't have much financial resources to deal with this, 50 00:04:56,229 --> 00:04:58,366 but I told myself, at that moment, 51 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:02,403 in front of those ladies, I told myself that, uh, 52 00:05:02,436 --> 00:05:05,673 at least I need to bring the message out. 53 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:12,112 I need to make sure that all the users of all these gadgets, 54 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,314 they need to be informed about this. 55 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:32,933 You can see the farmland here. This is what this valley used to look like, 56 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:35,135 uh, just full of... 57 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:38,872 This was the richest agricultural valley in the country. 58 00:05:41,575 --> 00:05:45,312 You can see why people, once they saw this, 59 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:46,680 wanted to live here. 60 00:05:52,653 --> 00:05:57,425 I moved to this area in 1969, to go to law school, 61 00:05:57,458 --> 00:06:00,394 because I wanted to help people who didn't have 62 00:06:00,428 --> 00:06:03,631 the means to represent themselves. 63 00:06:03,664 --> 00:06:07,835 It was a time when most people had not heard of the semiconductor industry. 64 00:06:09,937 --> 00:06:14,374 But within a few years people started seeing the birth 65 00:06:14,408 --> 00:06:18,345 of what has become the, you know, global electronics industry. 66 00:06:23,083 --> 00:06:26,219 Top names were companies... Hewlett-Packard, Apple, 67 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:29,890 uh, Intel, Advanced Micro Devices... 68 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:34,795 Virtually, the who's who of the electronics industry. 69 00:06:34,828 --> 00:06:37,130 And of course, the granddaddy of them all was IBM. 70 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,536 ART RODRIGUEZ: When I got hired at IBM, that was great. 71 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:46,039 That was the company to work for at the time. 72 00:06:46,073 --> 00:06:48,976 I could go anyplace. "Where do you work?" "IBM." 73 00:06:49,009 --> 00:06:52,079 I don't need an ID. You just write a check. 74 00:06:52,112 --> 00:06:55,949 It was that easy. IBM had that much clout. 75 00:06:55,983 --> 00:07:00,253 MIKE GRAY: I was the first microprocessor buyer for IBM. 76 00:07:00,287 --> 00:07:03,791 In the early '80s, the idea of a personal computer 77 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:07,928 which was an oxymoron, right. I mean "personal computer"? 78 00:07:07,961 --> 00:07:10,464 What would you use it for anyway? 79 00:07:10,498 --> 00:07:12,399 But it got legs. 80 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:14,334 When we started the PC business, 81 00:07:14,367 --> 00:07:18,038 the first year, they shipped 50,000 units. 82 00:07:18,071 --> 00:07:22,075 And so we went from 1,000 a week to 40,000 a week. 83 00:07:22,109 --> 00:07:26,313 And at that point the PC was launched. 84 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:47,367 TED SMITH: From almost the very beginning, you heard electronics 85 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,170 and semiconductor production was a clean industry. 86 00:07:50,203 --> 00:07:52,940 They said it was as clean as a hospital 87 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:56,877 but what they weren't telling people was that it was really a chemical-handling industry, 88 00:07:56,910 --> 00:08:00,614 and that the magic of making these micro-circuits 89 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:05,753 relied on the use of hundreds, if not thousands, of very toxic chemicals. 90 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:08,589 And that's why they have clean rooms, 91 00:08:08,622 --> 00:08:12,960 that's why they have bunny suits to try to protect the chips. 92 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:14,862 It was never designed to protect the workers, 93 00:08:14,895 --> 00:08:18,632 it was always designed to protect the product itself. 94 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:21,368 RODRIGUEZ: Oh, my God. There was a lot of different chemicals. 95 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:23,704 They built the disk drives. 96 00:08:23,737 --> 00:08:26,540 We'd have to strip 'em out and then we'd, literally, 97 00:08:26,574 --> 00:08:29,342 have to dip 'em in sulfuric acid... 98 00:08:29,376 --> 00:08:31,378 And with a sponge, you just... 99 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:35,115 With sulfuric... I didn't know what it was. 100 00:08:35,148 --> 00:08:37,284 I just knew it stunk really bad, 101 00:08:37,317 --> 00:08:41,521 and you couldn't get it on your skin 'cause it would burn you like nobody's business. 102 00:08:43,323 --> 00:08:45,859 SMITH: What happened was people started getting sick 103 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:48,195 with very strange kinds of illnesses, 104 00:08:48,228 --> 00:08:51,699 things that didn't seem to make a lot of sense and didn't seem to hang together. 105 00:08:51,732 --> 00:08:54,868 But increasingly, as this happened more and more, 106 00:08:54,902 --> 00:08:57,204 there was a small group of people that began to think 107 00:08:57,237 --> 00:09:00,307 that maybe this was related to the chemical exposure on the job. 108 00:09:02,943 --> 00:09:05,012 YVETTE FLORES: Wanna put music on? MARK: Yeah. 109 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:07,247 FLORES: All right, go on, turn on the music for Mom. 110 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:10,450 Put some good music on today. 111 00:09:10,483 --> 00:09:12,720 (BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE PLAYING) 112 00:09:12,753 --> 00:09:13,821 Right there. 113 00:09:15,222 --> 00:09:16,824 Right there. Okay, put this on, mijo. 114 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:18,726 Here's your thing, I charged it up. 115 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:21,094 All right, you gonna sing? Yeah. 116 00:09:21,528 --> 00:09:22,796 Okay, go! 117 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:29,202 FLORES: In 1975, I was 18 years old 118 00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:33,306 and I started working in the electronics field. 119 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:37,745 I went to Spectra-Physics and they just hired me just like that. 120 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:41,548 I was making the end of the laser 121 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:44,484 and I would have to mix up this chemical 122 00:09:44,517 --> 00:09:46,887 and I used to call it "green gunk"... 123 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,857 (LAUGHS) ...and get the consistency, 124 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:52,059 and then put it into a spray gun. 125 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:55,829 And I would have to heat that up after I glued it on together. 126 00:09:55,863 --> 00:09:58,766 That was just all day, that I did that. 127 00:10:01,034 --> 00:10:04,104 Yvette didn't know the material she was using 128 00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:08,876 turns out to be probably in the vicinity of 50% lead oxide. 129 00:10:08,909 --> 00:10:11,979 She didn't know she was exposed to lead. They didn't tell her that. 130 00:10:12,813 --> 00:10:15,615 I got pregnant with Mark in 1979 131 00:10:15,649 --> 00:10:18,952 and that was full term, nine months, 132 00:10:18,986 --> 00:10:21,021 and we were just really happy about it. 133 00:10:23,556 --> 00:10:28,028 He doesn't even know to cross the street and not know a car is coming to stop. 134 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:31,398 Going to the restroom, you know, I have to go with him in there. 135 00:10:31,431 --> 00:10:33,566 So I have to assist him with everything. 136 00:10:34,567 --> 00:10:36,837 Who's number one? Mark is. 137 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:38,739 You better know it, huh. 138 00:10:38,772 --> 00:10:42,375 If I knew what I know now 139 00:10:42,409 --> 00:10:45,378 I would've ran out of Spectra-Physics at the time. 140 00:10:46,479 --> 00:10:48,181 It was unnecessary. 141 00:10:48,215 --> 00:10:52,285 It just, it breaks my heart that I could've avoided this. 142 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:54,922 There you go! 143 00:10:54,955 --> 00:10:57,590 HAWES: We are filing a lawsuit against her employer. 144 00:10:57,624 --> 00:10:59,960 And it's a lawsuit for her son, 145 00:10:59,993 --> 00:11:04,631 who was born with severe developmental disabilities. 146 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,367 And it's a suit concealment of systemic chemical poisoning 147 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,971 in the case of Yvette and for the direct injuries to Mark. 148 00:11:12,205 --> 00:11:14,174 FLORES: Mark's condition isn't like a cold, 149 00:11:14,207 --> 00:11:17,044 take antibiotics and you're gonna be fine in five days. 150 00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:18,245 This is lifelong. 151 00:11:19,046 --> 00:11:20,714 Your love 152 00:11:20,748 --> 00:11:24,451 just overrides all that and you do what you gotta do. 153 00:11:24,484 --> 00:11:26,086 To this day I still do that. 154 00:11:27,154 --> 00:11:29,356 I'm sorry, I'm getting a little emotional. 155 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:36,964 Count. One, two... 156 00:11:36,997 --> 00:11:38,999 Three. Keep going. 157 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,700 Two. No, four. 158 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:42,035 Four. 159 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:43,837 HAWES: We've known about the bad effects of lead, 160 00:11:43,871 --> 00:11:47,507 including reproductive effects, since the era of the Romans. 161 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,709 There was an OSHA standard in place 162 00:11:49,743 --> 00:11:53,213 requiring hazard communication and medical removal. 163 00:11:53,246 --> 00:11:55,148 They didn't do any of those things. 164 00:11:55,182 --> 00:11:57,517 Do I think this was preventable? Oh yeah, I do. 165 00:12:08,595 --> 00:12:11,731 I discovered IBM had a Corporate Mortality file, 166 00:12:12,599 --> 00:12:14,401 which they kept for 30 years. 167 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:18,806 And it kept track of the causes of death of their employees. 168 00:12:18,839 --> 00:12:21,775 RICHARD CLAPP: The most dramatic findings were about cancer. 169 00:12:21,809 --> 00:12:24,711 For the company as a whole this was 33,000 deaths 170 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,413 that were in this Corporate Mortality file, 171 00:12:26,446 --> 00:12:30,183 so it included people who had worked all over the U.S. 172 00:12:30,217 --> 00:12:35,088 But then when you look at specific plants like the IBM plant in San Jose, 173 00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:37,657 there were some extraordinary excess causes of death. 174 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:39,960 One was brain cancer. 175 00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:42,262 Another was non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. 176 00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:44,497 Another was melanoma of the skin. 177 00:12:44,531 --> 00:12:46,533 And in the women, breast cancer 178 00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:50,103 was three and fourfold higher than expected. 179 00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:53,273 That was the heart in this San Jose lawsuit. 180 00:12:55,475 --> 00:12:57,244 NEWSCASTER: In a Santa Clara courtroom today, 181 00:12:57,277 --> 00:13:02,415 the first trial out of more than 200 similar lawsuits filed against IBM. 182 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:05,518 Former IBM workers Jim Moore and Alida Hernandez 183 00:13:05,552 --> 00:13:08,721 say they developed cancer from exposure to toxic chemicals 184 00:13:08,755 --> 00:13:13,426 at IBM's San Jose facility in the late '70s to early '90s. 185 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:15,462 IBM literally tried to prevent 186 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:19,432 the results of the mortality analysis from ever seeing the light of day. 187 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:21,601 In fact, they went to the judge and said, 188 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:23,470 "This can't be used in this case. 189 00:13:23,503 --> 00:13:27,074 "Alida Hernandez is not dead. She's gonna be in the courtroom." 190 00:13:27,107 --> 00:13:29,977 And not only was it not relevant, the judge said 191 00:13:30,010 --> 00:13:35,015 it might prejudice the jury if they saw what these excess causes of death were. 192 00:13:35,048 --> 00:13:37,817 And so he denied use of it in the court. 193 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:47,060 LINDA GREER: Many of the brands will respond to questions by saying, 194 00:13:47,094 --> 00:13:49,529 "No one has ever proved to me that a single person 195 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:52,465 "has died from exposure to these chemicals 196 00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:56,236 "either within, inside our factories or outside of the factories. 197 00:13:56,269 --> 00:13:58,338 "End of discussion." 198 00:13:58,371 --> 00:14:00,640 But that's not the way that we approach 199 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:03,576 environmental or occupational health in the world. 200 00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:06,813 We are not flying blind here at all, 201 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:11,418 especially on the chemicals at issue here in the electronics industry. 202 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:15,956 Actually, on most of the common chemicals used in all industrial manufacturing, 203 00:14:15,989 --> 00:14:18,191 we've been at this work for 40 years. 204 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:27,334 If you look at the publicity generated by IBM, 205 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:29,336 you'd think we lost everything 206 00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:31,905 and that simply is not correct. 207 00:14:33,373 --> 00:14:35,642 After the trial, IBM matters were resolved 208 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:40,213 for hundreds of people whose claims did not go to trial. 209 00:14:40,247 --> 00:14:43,250 WILLIAMS: What can you tell us about the settlements? 210 00:14:43,283 --> 00:14:47,087 I'm not gonna be able to talk about any of the resolutions of the cases 211 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:49,456 and I won't. 212 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,661 WILLIAMS: Can you give any details at all? 213 00:14:57,364 --> 00:15:02,269 Did you have to agree not to reveal the details as part of the settlements? 214 00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:05,205 All I can say is that the matters were resolved. 215 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:07,207 That's what I'm allowed to say. 216 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:20,320 It is kind of ironic to have the... 217 00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:23,623 the Lucky supermarket on such an unlucky site. 218 00:15:30,063 --> 00:15:34,067 This whole area was a contaminated site. It still is. 219 00:15:34,101 --> 00:15:36,769 And there were many companies in here 220 00:15:36,803 --> 00:15:40,540 that all of whom created, uh, this... 221 00:15:40,573 --> 00:15:42,142 toxic nightmare. 222 00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:45,845 There was an arrogance, a hubris 223 00:15:45,878 --> 00:15:48,048 to the leadership of this industry 224 00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:51,418 that was basically saying to the people of this valley, 225 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:53,987 "You should be lucky that we're here." 226 00:15:54,021 --> 00:15:56,523 And it really enraged me. 227 00:16:03,596 --> 00:16:05,365 Here in Silicon Valley 228 00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:08,268 chip companies and the other electronics production companies 229 00:16:08,301 --> 00:16:11,971 used hundreds, if not thousands of toxic chemicals. 230 00:16:12,005 --> 00:16:15,475 And most of the chemicals, 231 00:16:15,508 --> 00:16:18,211 once they're used in making the components, 232 00:16:18,245 --> 00:16:20,680 needed to be disposed of as waste. 233 00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:23,983 The companies ended up storing them in underground storage tanks 234 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:25,385 all over the valley. 235 00:16:29,889 --> 00:16:33,426 But the brilliant people who were designing these systems, 236 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,695 didn't quite think through all the way 237 00:16:35,728 --> 00:16:40,333 was that the solvents were really good at dissolving things. 238 00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:43,270 And so when you put them into a tank, 239 00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:45,805 eventually, they are going to eat their way through the tank. 240 00:16:49,976 --> 00:16:54,081 Solvents that the electronics industry used in production in Silicon Valley 241 00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:57,550 in the '70s and '80s are now in the groundwater. 242 00:16:57,584 --> 00:17:01,054 And if you think about putting a drop of ink in a bathtub, 243 00:17:01,088 --> 00:17:05,058 um, that spreads really quickly and it's really hard to get that drop of ink back. 244 00:17:05,092 --> 00:17:06,693 That's what we're dealing with except we're dealing with 245 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:10,063 multiples of gallons of this stuff that is in the groundwater. 246 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:15,001 SMITH: In late 1981 247 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:19,172 there were over 100 families in one little neighborhood 248 00:17:19,206 --> 00:17:21,774 who had serious problems. 249 00:17:21,808 --> 00:17:25,445 And the State Health Department discovered that the families that were 250 00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:27,947 drinking the most heavily contaminated water 251 00:17:27,980 --> 00:17:32,085 had significantly higher rates of miscarriages and birth defects 252 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,287 than did people in other neighborhoods. 253 00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:38,191 ANN BLAKE: The chemical industry will often say, 254 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:41,228 if I had a dime for every time I heard this, 255 00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:44,764 that even water can kill you, the most non-toxic thing. 256 00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:48,768 Of course it can, but only if you stick your face down in the bathtub 257 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:53,240 or fall into a, you know, fall into a large body of water. 258 00:17:53,273 --> 00:17:55,875 So that is the traditional approach to toxicology, 259 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:59,112 is that the more stuff you are exposed to, the more harm it causes you. 260 00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:01,814 But what we are seeing in, 261 00:18:01,848 --> 00:18:04,617 particularly around cancer and around hormone disrupting chemicals, 262 00:18:04,651 --> 00:18:07,854 is that it's when you're exposed to it, the time of exposure. 263 00:18:08,788 --> 00:18:11,124 So if you're in third trimester 264 00:18:11,158 --> 00:18:12,959 and you get even a part per billion, 265 00:18:12,992 --> 00:18:14,627 or part per trillion exposure... 266 00:18:14,661 --> 00:18:17,830 It can actually cause significant damage. 267 00:18:17,864 --> 00:18:21,033 SMITH: We formed the Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition. 268 00:18:21,067 --> 00:18:24,103 And we did a summer organizing project 269 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:27,840 getting people to sign petitions, asking the EPA to step in 270 00:18:27,874 --> 00:18:30,243 with their authority under their Superfund program. 271 00:18:30,277 --> 00:18:33,913 ALL: (CHANTING) No CFCs, no CFCs. 272 00:18:40,086 --> 00:18:42,255 SMITH: Then I went to a meeting in Washington 273 00:18:42,289 --> 00:18:44,324 and presented these thousands of petitions saying, 274 00:18:44,357 --> 00:18:49,162 "We need EPA to come in, it's time for EPA to exercise your authority." 275 00:18:49,196 --> 00:18:52,131 And to everybody's great surprise... they agreed to do that. 276 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:56,035 So Hewlett-Packard became a Superfund site. 277 00:18:56,068 --> 00:18:58,137 Intel became a Superfund site. 278 00:18:58,171 --> 00:19:02,175 National Semiconductor. Advanced Micro Devices, IBM... 279 00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:05,612 You name it, they were there and they are all Superfund sites. 280 00:19:15,422 --> 00:19:19,292 The cost of clean-up for IBM as well as all the other companies 281 00:19:19,326 --> 00:19:21,060 has been tremendous. 282 00:19:21,093 --> 00:19:24,096 It's an enormously slow and tedious process. 283 00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:28,100 If you look right over here also, 284 00:19:28,134 --> 00:19:30,069 this is a major residential neighborhood 285 00:19:30,102 --> 00:19:32,872 just directly across the street from this industrial site. 286 00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:36,643 Most of the people living here today 287 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:39,145 are unaware of this huge toxic plume. 288 00:19:40,146 --> 00:19:42,649 And those same chemicals that are still 289 00:19:42,682 --> 00:19:44,584 right under where we're standing 290 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:47,420 are now beginning to seep back up 291 00:19:47,454 --> 00:19:49,622 out of the groundwater, through the soil, 292 00:19:49,656 --> 00:19:51,724 and are actually coming into the offices 293 00:19:51,758 --> 00:19:53,993 of these software engineers at Google. 294 00:19:57,430 --> 00:20:02,635 And this is the one that EPA said might take 300 years to clean up. 295 00:20:02,669 --> 00:20:06,973 This is so complicated, the devastation is so enormous... 296 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:10,843 that we're really talking centuries of clean-up, not just years or decades. 297 00:20:26,293 --> 00:20:30,463 Every time we've been able to identify a problem, 298 00:20:30,497 --> 00:20:34,801 companies have made the argument that we've had problems in the past but 299 00:20:34,834 --> 00:20:37,069 we've learned from those and now everything's fine. 300 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,781 The problem is that it just keeps reoccurring. 301 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:54,587 When companies started moving away from Silicon Valley to China, 302 00:20:54,621 --> 00:20:57,924 I think that they've been only too happy to have the government off their back. 303 00:21:00,827 --> 00:21:03,596 The Chinese government made an offer 304 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:07,434 to multinational corporations that they couldn't refuse. 305 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:10,503 GRAY: You need land, and you need money, 306 00:21:10,537 --> 00:21:12,572 and you need government approval, 307 00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:15,041 and you need lots of people to put it all together. 308 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:17,276 Well, they have all of that in China. 309 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:23,383 It went insane in the '90s. 310 00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:26,653 I look back now and just kind of shake my head and say... 311 00:21:27,687 --> 00:21:28,855 "How did that happen?" 312 00:21:57,784 --> 00:22:01,053 STEVE JOBS: We are calling it "iPhone". 313 00:22:02,889 --> 00:22:07,894 Today, Apple is going to reinvent the phone. 314 00:22:10,296 --> 00:22:12,999 GRAY: If you look at the launch of the Apple 5, 315 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,203 they were making 10 million in one week. 316 00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:20,473 So, I mean, hey, you know, how do you wrap your head around these numbers? 317 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,453 One of the primary purposes of outsourcing 318 00:22:33,486 --> 00:22:35,988 is to enable companies like Apple 319 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:39,659 to make, what are essentially, unreasonable demands 320 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:43,195 on manufacturers that they wouldn't and couldn't make 321 00:22:43,229 --> 00:22:45,865 if they actually had to employ the workers directly. 322 00:22:46,833 --> 00:22:48,568 Apple doesn't have to worry 323 00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:51,738 about what it means to workers when they insist on a tripling 324 00:22:51,771 --> 00:22:53,673 of the pace of iPhone production. 325 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,580 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 326 00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:38,911 (REPORTER SPEAKING MANDARIN) 327 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,183 NEWSCASTER: ...workers died and 15 others were injured 328 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:46,819 after an explosion at a Foxconn factory... 329 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:53,225 (REPORTER SPEAKING MANDARIN) 330 00:29:53,259 --> 00:29:56,762 NEWSCASTER: The accident occurred at around 7:00 pm in a polishing workshop. 331 00:29:56,795 --> 00:30:00,766 It appears to have been triggered by an explosion of combustible dust in a duct. 332 00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:08,707 GARRETT BROWN: No one should be surprised that aluminum dust, 333 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:11,077 if it's in a high enough concentration 334 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:12,778 and there is an ignition source, 335 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,547 it will produce explosion and fire. 336 00:30:15,581 --> 00:30:18,684 This is a hazard which is extremely well known. 337 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,521 So the fact that Apple suppliers, 338 00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:26,592 uh, had an explosion in Chengdu in that plant, 339 00:30:26,625 --> 00:30:29,896 means that they had very poor housekeeping, 340 00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:32,564 very poor production processes. 341 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:33,732 That's terrible. 342 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,871 What's completely unacceptable is that five months later, 343 00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:42,241 at another plant, but within the Apple supply chain 344 00:30:42,274 --> 00:30:45,111 they had another explosion and fire. 345 00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:50,682 It's outrageously inexcusable 346 00:30:50,716 --> 00:30:53,319 that they had a second one five months later. 347 00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:03,595 They've set up these supply chains exactly the way they want them. 348 00:31:03,629 --> 00:31:08,467 They monitor these supply chains with exacting scrutiny 349 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:13,039 so they know exactly what's going into their products at every point along the way. 350 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:18,610 GRAY: I find it really hard to believe 351 00:31:18,644 --> 00:31:23,549 for any of those companies to say they don't know where some of their stuff comes from. 352 00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:26,518 I find it really hard to believe, right, 353 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,720 because they do. 354 00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:30,822 Now, they may not want to admit it... 355 00:31:31,457 --> 00:31:33,092 publicly, fine. 356 00:31:33,125 --> 00:31:36,162 You don't have to but they should know, 357 00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:37,763 uh, where it comes from. 358 00:31:37,796 --> 00:31:40,132 Any good supply chain practitioner knows that. 359 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:54,313 WILLIAMS: How often do you upgrade your phone? Every couple of years. 360 00:31:54,346 --> 00:31:56,015 WILLIAMS: Do you upgrade often? 361 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:58,250 Uh, when I have the money to, yeah. 362 00:31:58,284 --> 00:31:59,618 Probably every year. 363 00:32:00,819 --> 00:32:02,521 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 364 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:12,798 WILLIAMS: So you upgrade pretty often, or... 365 00:32:12,831 --> 00:32:15,634 Oh, yes, you have to. Yeah, you have to. 366 00:32:29,481 --> 00:32:31,783 Well, we have a table at all iFixit of the guns. 367 00:32:31,817 --> 00:32:34,086 It will show you how to disassemble the whole thing. 368 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:38,790 So I have an iPhone 5 here 369 00:32:38,824 --> 00:32:40,292 and I'm gonna show you a little bit about 370 00:32:40,326 --> 00:32:41,527 what's inside, what makes it tick. 371 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,195 And some of the design choices that Apple made 372 00:32:43,229 --> 00:32:45,064 putting it together. 373 00:32:45,097 --> 00:32:47,099 So the first thing Apple has on the bottom is 374 00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:49,535 two proprietary, pentalobe screws. 375 00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:52,104 This is a security screw that Apple designed 376 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:54,206 to keep people out of the phone. 377 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,976 Once you get the phone open, we can start to see the guts. 378 00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:02,081 This isn't really a phone, it's pretty much a full-blown computer. 379 00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:06,085 To make your phone last for eight hours, you need a really big battery. 380 00:33:06,118 --> 00:33:08,987 Batteries in phones last about 400 charges. 381 00:33:09,021 --> 00:33:11,390 Every cell phone I've ever had you just pop the back off, 382 00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:13,525 you could pull the battery out, swap a new battery in, 383 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,162 every year or two you'd have to replace the battery. 384 00:33:16,195 --> 00:33:19,131 Apple has decided with the iPod and, now, the iPhone 385 00:33:19,165 --> 00:33:21,200 that they don't like that model. 386 00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:23,569 So what they are doing is building the batteries into the phone 387 00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,637 and using proprietary screws on there 388 00:33:25,671 --> 00:33:29,341 in an attempt to limit the lifespan of the phone to about 18 months, 389 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:31,009 which is around the time when they have a new phone 390 00:33:31,043 --> 00:33:32,978 and they want you to buy a new one anyway. 391 00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:54,366 LUKE SOULES: iFixit is a company that wants to see everything get fixed, 392 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,302 so we show people how to fix things 393 00:33:56,335 --> 00:34:00,872 and provide the parts, tools, and guides to enable them to do so. 394 00:34:00,906 --> 00:34:02,708 Helping everyone fix everything. 395 00:34:03,475 --> 00:34:04,810 That's the challenge. 396 00:34:04,843 --> 00:34:08,614 It's a big challenge 'cause there's millions of devices out there. 397 00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:11,950 I'd say Luke and I are reluctant capitalists. 398 00:34:11,983 --> 00:34:13,385 We get excited selling screwdrivers 399 00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:15,454 even though that seems like a boring product 400 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:16,988 because we're selling people a capability 401 00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:19,725 where they're able to do something that they wouldn't have otherwise. 402 00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:25,431 We wanna make it simple and easy for people to repair their own stuff. 403 00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:29,435 The amount of raw materials that go into the products that we use are staggering. 404 00:34:29,468 --> 00:34:32,838 It's over 500 pounds of raw material that go into making an eight-ounce cell phone. 405 00:34:36,142 --> 00:34:39,911 SOULES: So, here's an example of a circuit board in this e-waste bin. 406 00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:44,250 This is out of an Apple laptop from a few years ago. 407 00:34:44,283 --> 00:34:46,152 Even if you make this circuit board 408 00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:48,654 in the most environmentally friendly way, 409 00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:51,190 it's still going to use a ton of water, a ton of m... 410 00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:54,126 Probably literally a ton of water, lots and lots of materials. 411 00:34:57,996 --> 00:34:59,498 We got the new MacBook. 412 00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:01,367 What do we know so far? 413 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,103 Cost is a bump and a flash-speed bump. 414 00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:07,306 Brand new MacBook, nothing is different. (LAUGHTER) 415 00:35:09,741 --> 00:35:11,843 The electronics industry is closed in ways that 416 00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:13,545 traditional American manufacturers aren't. 417 00:35:14,646 --> 00:35:15,914 They're selling you a thing and they're saying, 418 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:19,151 "Well, you have it but you don't really own it. 419 00:35:19,185 --> 00:35:21,052 "There is no way we are gonna ever sell you the screwdriver 420 00:35:21,086 --> 00:35:22,821 "to be able to get into the phone." 421 00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:24,590 Ford would never sell you a car and say, 422 00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:26,358 "We're not gonna make tires available 423 00:35:26,392 --> 00:35:29,528 "to keep your car running after 30,000 miles." 424 00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:34,200 You have an entire ecosystem, an entire industry that's built on secrecy, 425 00:35:34,233 --> 00:35:38,204 and we're one organization that's trying to pry open the hood a little bit, 426 00:35:38,237 --> 00:35:39,605 show people what's inside. 427 00:35:42,107 --> 00:35:46,678 SOULES: We've kind of been conditioned by manufacturers and brands to 428 00:35:46,712 --> 00:35:49,648 leave yourself on the outside. 429 00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:51,850 "Don't worry about the details. We make this product. 430 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:54,420 "We give it to you and you just use this product. 431 00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:57,956 "And when it stops working you go buy a new one." 432 00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:02,160 KYLE WIENS: They are pushing us into a model where 433 00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:04,029 products are completely disposable. 434 00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:10,669 Globally, we manufactured about 1.6 billion cell phones in 2014. 435 00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:12,971 And it just keeps going up and up and you have to ask 436 00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:15,307 at some point like, "What is too many phones?" 437 00:36:17,843 --> 00:36:21,880 SOULES: When we originally started iFixit, it was just a way to provide 438 00:36:21,913 --> 00:36:26,084 people with some solution to fix broken devices. 439 00:36:26,117 --> 00:36:30,489 And over time, we've realized, both the manufacturing and 440 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:33,225 the environmental problems are a huge concern. 441 00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:44,903 Over the last few years, I've been to China on a pretty regular basis... 442 00:36:44,936 --> 00:36:47,939 A lot of that related to our tool manufacturing. 443 00:36:50,842 --> 00:36:54,546 We're looking at getting some circuit boards manufactured. 444 00:36:55,981 --> 00:36:57,849 This is the big rechargeable battery and then 445 00:36:57,883 --> 00:37:00,619 this is the main circuit board in here. Wow. 446 00:37:00,652 --> 00:37:02,120 So considering it's just a flashlight, 447 00:37:02,153 --> 00:37:04,523 you can see it's a surprisingly, uh, 448 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:05,991 complex circuit board. 449 00:37:06,024 --> 00:37:10,161 And I've got this basic schematic of the circuit board. 450 00:37:10,195 --> 00:37:12,197 Once, we decide, we'll leave them with the 451 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,966 full information, would be the idea. 452 00:37:19,438 --> 00:37:23,309 Finding a supplier that is environmentally friendly, 453 00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:25,844 has good quality and has reasonable pricing, 454 00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:29,214 all three of those at once, is probably going to be a challenge. 455 00:37:35,621 --> 00:37:37,289 Hello, nice to meet you. 456 00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:43,061 SOULES: You know, I've heard inspection, photo inspection... 457 00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:53,038 Visiting factories, we've found that 458 00:37:53,071 --> 00:37:56,342 it's surprisingly effective to show up on short notice. 459 00:37:58,043 --> 00:38:02,848 In general, any factory that's not willing to let you seethe factory 460 00:38:02,881 --> 00:38:04,450 is an immediate red flag, 461 00:38:04,483 --> 00:38:06,318 and at least for us, someone that 462 00:38:06,352 --> 00:38:08,420 we don't want to do business with. 463 00:38:15,727 --> 00:38:17,896 This is the big line in the factory, 464 00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:19,398 so this is where they are etching, 465 00:38:19,431 --> 00:38:23,034 bringing all these nasty acids and other chemicals in. 466 00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:28,306 You've got a little bit of acid leak here, 467 00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:31,910 you can see congealed acid on the outside of the machine. 468 00:38:37,048 --> 00:38:41,052 I walked over to where there were some storage tanks and 469 00:38:41,086 --> 00:38:45,090 there was basically acid all over the floor and 470 00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:49,561 the moment I looked over that they told me, I mean, to, "Get back away from here." 471 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:52,731 This isn't giving me a good feeling. 472 00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,669 As far as making sure everything is done correctly, 473 00:38:57,703 --> 00:39:00,706 environmentally, it doesn't seem like that's a priority for them. 474 00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:03,875 And then about the Maozhou River, 475 00:39:03,909 --> 00:39:07,145 he said the fact that it was so dirty 476 00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:10,616 was the price you had to pay for the last 30 years of development. 477 00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:11,817 ALEX LI: Yes. 478 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,822 Yeah, don't wanna buy from them. 479 00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:34,806 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 480 00:40:37,469 --> 00:40:39,738 LI: Do you feel that Shenzhen changed a bit? 481 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:42,774 Uh, Shenzhen is constantly changing. 482 00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:49,581 LI: A lot of industrial parks here and there. 483 00:40:49,615 --> 00:40:53,118 SOULES: Spent a lot of time traveling, getting around Shenzhen. 484 00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:03,128 So we shall see what they have to offer us. 485 00:41:13,104 --> 00:41:17,108 SOULES: This is definitely the most professional of the factories visited. 486 00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:25,483 The fact that we are being taken through this water treatment facility 487 00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:27,385 is a really promising sign. 488 00:41:28,754 --> 00:41:32,057 You start out with incredibly yucky water 489 00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:34,660 and it goes through a progressive series of filters 490 00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:35,994 and other processes... 491 00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:38,797 And, eventually, you end up with, 492 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,666 hopefully, acceptably clean water. 493 00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:46,037 The coolest thing, when the water is 494 00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:48,173 coming through the treatment facility, 495 00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:51,610 some of the water comes out and dumps into this fountain and 496 00:41:51,643 --> 00:41:53,378 they have fish in here and the factory owner said 497 00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:55,446 "Well, they know the water treatment is working okay 498 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,049 "as long as the fish are still alive." 499 00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:01,820 A little unfortunate for the fish 'cause if something breaks maybe the fish die. 500 00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:05,991 So, the factory general manager 501 00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:07,559 specifically said to me 502 00:42:07,593 --> 00:42:09,895 that lots of the Chinese customers, they have... 503 00:42:09,928 --> 00:42:12,230 Don't like the fact that they've spent all the money 504 00:42:12,263 --> 00:42:15,266 to do the water treatment 'cause it adds to the cost of the boards. 505 00:42:16,602 --> 00:42:19,370 But it's clear to me that this would definitely be 506 00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:22,007 the factory to buy from of the ones we've visited. 507 00:42:30,415 --> 00:42:32,450 You see here, with all these factories 508 00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:34,953 just the impact of all our manufacturing and buying. 509 00:42:34,986 --> 00:42:37,555 Like when we were looking at the river yesterday, 510 00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:41,026 all the stuff we are going and buying at the store is 511 00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:44,095 messing up water in rivers over here in Shenzhen. 512 00:42:44,129 --> 00:42:46,097 LI: Exactly. 513 00:42:46,131 --> 00:42:49,367 But, an American, we never see that river... 514 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,904 We think we've fixed all of our environmental problems 515 00:42:52,938 --> 00:42:56,374 with water quality and such, 'cause we don't see it. 516 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,210 So it's kind of out of sight, out of mind. 517 00:43:01,212 --> 00:43:02,547 (APPLAUSE) 518 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:10,021 This is the 2015 Skoll Awards for Social Entrepreneurship. 519 00:43:11,289 --> 00:43:15,661 From the Institute of Public and Environmental Affairs, 520 00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:16,695 Ma Jun. 521 00:43:17,128 --> 00:43:18,496 (APPLAUSE) 522 00:43:29,407 --> 00:43:31,176 Ladies and gentlemen, 523 00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:34,846 I'm truly honored and humbled 524 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,348 to be the first Chinese citizen 525 00:43:37,382 --> 00:43:39,450 to receive the Skoll award. 526 00:43:39,484 --> 00:43:40,819 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 527 00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:42,921 Thank you. 528 00:43:45,991 --> 00:43:48,026 MA JUN: I set up this Institute of 529 00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:52,130 Public and Environmental Affairs or IPE and 530 00:43:52,163 --> 00:43:55,033 our first project is to build 531 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:58,904 a national water pollution database. 532 00:43:58,937 --> 00:44:01,907 So, all these records comes from the government sources. 533 00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:05,343 The public can access the information by click on the 534 00:44:05,376 --> 00:44:08,747 locations on the map because people want to know, 535 00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:11,917 you know, who should be held responsible 536 00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:14,786 for such a bad water pollution situation. 537 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,988 And so far, 538 00:44:17,022 --> 00:44:24,429 we got more than 110,000 records of violation in our database. 539 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:32,337 Environmental litigation is still quite difficult in China. 540 00:44:34,172 --> 00:44:39,277 As a result, the cost of violation is very low. 541 00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:42,814 It's actually lower than the cost of compliance. 542 00:44:42,848 --> 00:44:45,550 So all those factories in China, many of them 543 00:44:45,583 --> 00:44:48,854 would rather pay fines year after year... 544 00:44:48,887 --> 00:44:51,222 without really addressing the problems. 545 00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:58,663 In April 2010, 546 00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:03,101 we filed letters to 29 IT brands 547 00:45:03,134 --> 00:45:06,872 to check with them whether those polluting factories, 548 00:45:06,905 --> 00:45:09,340 whether they are their suppliers. 549 00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:12,377 All of them responded except one, 550 00:45:12,911 --> 00:45:14,412 that is Apple. 551 00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:21,152 Apple just give us one statement, that is, 552 00:45:21,186 --> 00:45:25,390 "We have a long-term policy not to disclose our supply chain." 553 00:45:26,191 --> 00:45:27,725 That's it. 554 00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:30,528 And we call it the iPad. 555 00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,397 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 556 00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:34,032 MA JUN: I was quite shocked. 557 00:45:34,065 --> 00:45:36,301 I can't accept that because, you know, 558 00:45:36,334 --> 00:45:39,104 I think that you could have your own culture, 559 00:45:39,137 --> 00:45:41,639 you can make your own policy 560 00:45:41,672 --> 00:45:46,077 but when your operation is having an impact 561 00:45:46,111 --> 00:45:49,447 on the health of other people, you can't say that, 562 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,050 "I've made a policy not to talk." 563 00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,795 GREER: Ma Jun contacted me 564 00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:06,397 and we began to work together 565 00:46:06,431 --> 00:46:08,699 to apply additional pressure 566 00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:11,769 to a company with headquarters here in the United States. 567 00:46:11,803 --> 00:46:14,739 Ma Jun singled out a number of facilities 568 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:17,943 that he believed were in Apple's supply chain. 569 00:46:17,976 --> 00:46:22,347 That it had a very heavy environmental impact in their locality. 570 00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:25,316 And when he leveled those charges, 571 00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:29,487 Apple was shocked and sort of in denial 572 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:36,427 that this type of problem to this extent could really exist in their supply chain. 573 00:46:37,963 --> 00:46:40,365 MA JUN: I think it's important to understand that 574 00:46:40,398 --> 00:46:42,901 this is not just about Apple. 575 00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:45,503 You know, this is about the IT industry. 576 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:51,309 GREER: They all share printed circuit board manufacturers. 577 00:46:51,342 --> 00:46:54,712 They all share chip manufacturers. 578 00:46:54,745 --> 00:46:58,416 You know, despite their audit protocols, 579 00:46:58,449 --> 00:47:03,855 there's a lot more talk than walk on environmental impacts in the supply chain. 580 00:47:04,789 --> 00:47:06,024 You say to yourself, 581 00:47:06,057 --> 00:47:08,860 "How could they not know about any of these problems?" 582 00:47:08,894 --> 00:47:12,163 But, you know, it's all what you ask and it's all what you look for. 583 00:47:12,197 --> 00:47:14,565 So if you're there and you have a checklist 584 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,567 of what you need and you need it now, 585 00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:18,937 and that checklist does not include 586 00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:22,073 what's going on at the end of the pipe of your wastewater treatment plant, 587 00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:24,109 it's actually conceivable 588 00:47:24,142 --> 00:47:26,477 that you know exactly where it's being made, 589 00:47:26,511 --> 00:47:30,115 you just don't know exactly how it's being made and what the impact is. 590 00:47:31,917 --> 00:47:34,719 That's what's going on, not just with Apple, 591 00:47:34,752 --> 00:47:37,322 but with all of these companies. 592 00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:40,892 Forty years of operating the Environmental Protection Agency in this country, 593 00:47:40,926 --> 00:47:42,793 these are American-based companies. 594 00:47:42,827 --> 00:47:44,062 Hard to believe. 595 00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:51,802 MA JUN: The battle is far from being over. 596 00:47:52,938 --> 00:47:55,406 This industry is still, you know, 597 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,976 consuming too much resources. 598 00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:05,583 We still have this industry which is discharging so much waste... 599 00:48:05,616 --> 00:48:08,286 Not just normal waste, hazardous waste. 600 00:48:10,922 --> 00:48:13,091 And just one supplier, 601 00:48:13,124 --> 00:48:16,827 it generates more than 100,000 tons 602 00:48:16,861 --> 00:48:19,330 of hazardous waste in one year. 603 00:48:20,631 --> 00:48:24,769 How could we dispose them, you know, in a safe way? 604 00:48:24,802 --> 00:48:29,240 So how much of a time bomb is this industry gonna create? 605 00:48:59,504 --> 00:49:02,873 TONI SHERLING: 106, lung cancer. 606 00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:08,646 108, Hodgkin's lymphoma. 607 00:49:12,183 --> 00:49:17,455 110, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, twice. 608 00:49:20,458 --> 00:49:24,762 112, the son had testicular cancer, 609 00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:28,833 the father had stomach cancer. 610 00:49:54,592 --> 00:49:59,897 LARRY SHERLING: I found out that IBM was responsible for spilling a lot of chemicals. 611 00:50:00,765 --> 00:50:02,367 And they said, "Sorry! 612 00:50:03,601 --> 00:50:06,204 "You know, we'll be glad to put in, what do they call it? 613 00:50:06,237 --> 00:50:07,672 "A mitigation system." 614 00:50:08,939 --> 00:50:11,442 The way they do is they seal the floor 615 00:50:11,476 --> 00:50:16,614 and then they put this system in the formal basement. 616 00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:20,385 The idea is you're sucking the ground vapors, 617 00:50:20,418 --> 00:50:23,288 and we can only go on what they tell us. 618 00:50:23,321 --> 00:50:25,423 TONI SHERLING: They tell us that these vapors 619 00:50:25,456 --> 00:50:29,627 go up through that pipe and then come out 620 00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:34,899 and immediately dissipate, and I said, "You know, c'mon. 621 00:50:34,932 --> 00:50:36,767 "You know, you can best believe 622 00:50:36,801 --> 00:50:39,070 "I don't put my garden open underneath it 623 00:50:39,104 --> 00:50:41,106 "because it's gotta go somewhere." 624 00:51:07,532 --> 00:51:11,836 TONI SHERLING: Our son, Cory, presented the same way his father did. 625 00:51:11,869 --> 00:51:16,107 No low-grade fever, no, you know, night sweats, 626 00:51:16,141 --> 00:51:19,043 weight loss, just pain. 627 00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:20,778 He had pain in his stomach. 628 00:51:20,811 --> 00:51:24,282 He started with his first chemo treatment 629 00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:29,154 and they said, "If there is such a thing as a good cancer, this is it. 630 00:51:29,187 --> 00:51:30,755 "This, we can fix this." 631 00:51:31,989 --> 00:51:34,825 And that poor kid went through 632 00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:37,128 two or three rounds of chemo, 633 00:51:37,162 --> 00:51:39,029 they did a PET scan and 634 00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:40,698 it grew back to what it was. 635 00:51:42,167 --> 00:51:46,103 And this repeated six times 636 00:51:46,137 --> 00:51:48,839 till they admitted it was chemo resistant. 637 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,843 And he went from 185 pounds... 638 00:51:52,877 --> 00:51:56,814 We were with him the day before he died, he was 70 pounds. 639 00:51:58,349 --> 00:52:02,853 I mean I know our son is not the only one and there is 640 00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:05,556 no big hullabaloo that's ever gonna bring him back... 641 00:52:06,857 --> 00:52:10,027 But how many have to go 642 00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:13,864 before we start realizing that, 643 00:52:13,898 --> 00:52:16,801 you know, money is very insignificant 644 00:52:16,834 --> 00:52:19,904 when it comes to the bottom line in life, really. 645 00:52:26,211 --> 00:52:29,079 I brought this diagram 646 00:52:29,113 --> 00:52:32,183 to one of the first town hall meetings. 647 00:52:32,217 --> 00:52:36,721 I'm a nurse and I was concerned because 648 00:52:36,754 --> 00:52:40,825 I believe there is a total of 16 houses 649 00:52:40,858 --> 00:52:44,695 and there were 12 cases of cancer in them. 650 00:52:47,298 --> 00:52:50,134 LARRY SHERLING: I'm sure there's other cancer cases. 651 00:52:51,936 --> 00:52:55,440 These are the ones where we knew the people personally. 652 00:52:56,907 --> 00:53:00,611 TONI SHERLING: You know, IBM can do all they want 653 00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:03,781 but I don't think anything they're doing 654 00:53:03,814 --> 00:53:06,584 could ever change the impact 655 00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:10,555 of what has happened in our lives. 656 00:53:33,511 --> 00:53:35,380 PAUL MAHER: In electronics, at this moment and time, 657 00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:37,482 I believe that we are in the dinosaur age. 658 00:53:38,449 --> 00:53:39,917 We are using too many resources, 659 00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:41,519 too many raw materials 660 00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:44,822 and the life of computer typically three to four years. 661 00:53:53,664 --> 00:53:56,133 MAHER: We're a small company in Ireland... 662 00:53:56,166 --> 00:54:01,372 And our mission is to produce a fair-trade computer. 663 00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:08,279 In the early days, I'd repair just component levels 664 00:54:08,313 --> 00:54:10,281 on the computers, on the motherboards. 665 00:54:12,149 --> 00:54:13,684 From that, I noticed that 666 00:54:13,718 --> 00:54:17,121 there was a huge amount of waste in the computer industry. 667 00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:23,060 So, we started designing and building 668 00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:26,497 updateable, upgradeable, reusable computers. 669 00:54:27,832 --> 00:54:31,336 This is my father's environmental drill, 670 00:54:31,869 --> 00:54:33,170 no electricity. 671 00:54:33,203 --> 00:54:34,805 You just drill. (LAUGHS) 672 00:54:38,409 --> 00:54:40,811 How could you build a computer without plastic? 673 00:54:40,845 --> 00:54:44,682 How could you build a computer without lead, mercury, PVCs, 674 00:54:44,715 --> 00:54:48,453 brominated flame-retardants, and all the other heavy metals? 675 00:54:49,354 --> 00:54:50,388 That was our goal. 676 00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,730 The material we use is wood, 677 00:54:59,764 --> 00:55:04,535 so it's technology of 100 years ago but it's perfectly good. 678 00:55:06,537 --> 00:55:10,941 Our computers will last seven to 10 years because 679 00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:16,180 home users, non-technical people, can repair and replace. 680 00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:18,783 I'm now replacing the memory. 681 00:55:20,785 --> 00:55:23,754 You can extend the life of it by upgradability. 682 00:55:25,923 --> 00:55:29,093 This year coming is a... Is a very big year for us. 683 00:55:29,126 --> 00:55:32,897 In March, we'll be in CeBIT in Germany. 684 00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:35,866 It's probably the second largest fair in the world, 685 00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:37,334 electronic fair, and we... 686 00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:38,903 We will show our computers there. 687 00:55:41,372 --> 00:55:43,574 ANNE GALLIGAN: The problem is the laptop, 688 00:55:43,608 --> 00:55:45,275 which is just at prototype stage. 689 00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:48,646 I'm trying to get a manufacturer 690 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,782 that will produce it at a reasonable price. 691 00:55:51,816 --> 00:55:54,519 The volume is minimum 5,000-plus. 692 00:55:54,552 --> 00:55:55,920 That's the only way, you know. 693 00:55:55,953 --> 00:56:01,291 Once you're beyond 5,000, you now have a factory. 694 00:56:01,325 --> 00:56:04,762 GALLIGAN: Yeah, I think it's great that we're having the launch at the CeBIT, 695 00:56:04,795 --> 00:56:07,131 especially with the 696 00:56:07,164 --> 00:56:08,733 delegates that are going to be there. 697 00:56:08,766 --> 00:56:11,536 It's a great opportunity for them to see the product. 698 00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:13,871 I think it's all about the message. 699 00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:15,172 We're doing all the right things. 700 00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:16,507 We're the only people doing it. 701 00:56:16,541 --> 00:56:18,042 We're leading by example. 702 00:56:18,075 --> 00:56:19,276 We're a small little company, 703 00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:21,378 showing these things can be done. 704 00:56:40,064 --> 00:56:43,100 MAHER: Today is our major launch in Europe. 705 00:56:44,802 --> 00:56:47,738 We have lots of invites sent out to people. 706 00:56:49,507 --> 00:56:50,608 WILLIAMS: You nervous? 707 00:56:50,641 --> 00:56:51,809 Yes. 708 00:56:52,477 --> 00:56:53,644 Always. 709 00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:57,482 We have a lot riding on this... 710 00:56:57,515 --> 00:57:01,018 So it's quite important that the launch is good, 711 00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:03,654 and we can meet people and explain what we're doing. 712 00:57:05,756 --> 00:57:10,160 What I've brought for you is to see... 713 00:57:10,194 --> 00:57:13,230 I've also brought the laptop which you didn't see. 714 00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:14,264 That's right. 715 00:57:18,469 --> 00:57:20,805 It's a nice case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 716 00:57:23,307 --> 00:57:26,477 GALLIGAN: We were awarded the world's first European Ecolabel 717 00:57:26,511 --> 00:57:29,213 for integrated desktop computers. 718 00:57:29,246 --> 00:57:32,783 It was the world's first to ever achieve this award. 719 00:57:32,817 --> 00:57:35,152 At that time, I thought, wow, the... 720 00:57:35,185 --> 00:57:38,255 The gates will open, the orders will flood in. 721 00:57:38,288 --> 00:57:40,357 But that was not the case. 722 00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:43,961 Maybe a little bit of naivety on... On my part. 723 00:57:43,994 --> 00:57:47,231 It's hard out there, like, government agencies and people like that, 724 00:57:47,264 --> 00:57:49,767 there is no room for environmental. 725 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,002 They are totally just bottom line. 726 00:57:53,170 --> 00:57:54,271 MAHER: So we have a crowd. 727 00:57:54,304 --> 00:57:57,041 We have a crowd at our stand again, you know? 728 00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:01,846 Have you an interest in environmental... 729 00:58:01,879 --> 00:58:03,814 A laptop made from industrial waste? 730 00:58:03,848 --> 00:58:05,182 It's made from pallets. 731 00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,822 We're getting lots and lots of students and younger people, 732 00:58:11,856 --> 00:58:13,858 and they all had a huge interest. 733 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,364 Most of the people who've come to us are stating it, "Why can we not repair them? 734 00:58:20,397 --> 00:58:22,232 "Why can we not replace a battery? 735 00:58:22,266 --> 00:58:24,669 "Why can we not replace a hard drive? 736 00:58:24,702 --> 00:58:26,537 "Why does it only last for three years?" 737 00:58:28,806 --> 00:58:32,610 I'm looking at it now, it's one little step at a time. 738 00:58:32,643 --> 00:58:35,112 But what we do need to do is work harder, 739 00:58:35,145 --> 00:58:39,449 build more computers and get people to join us. 740 00:58:51,161 --> 00:58:54,231 WILLIAMS: What do you do with your old electronic devices that you don't use anymore? 741 00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:56,433 Like, when you get a new iPhone. 742 00:58:56,466 --> 00:59:00,437 At the moment, it's lying somewhere in a closet. 743 00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:04,041 I believe it's in a drawer in my desk at home. 744 00:59:04,074 --> 00:59:06,977 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 745 00:59:09,179 --> 00:59:11,448 I'm hoping that someone's out there recycling 'em, 746 00:59:11,481 --> 00:59:14,218 or they're being fixed and reused. 747 00:59:14,251 --> 00:59:17,688 Part of the reason why I still kept my old phone was... 748 00:59:17,722 --> 00:59:21,859 I really didn't know what to do with it 749 00:59:21,892 --> 00:59:24,228 and I had no idea what happens if I get rid of it. 750 00:59:28,132 --> 00:59:30,768 If we're at the right table. This I know works. 751 00:59:30,801 --> 00:59:31,802 Fabulous. 752 00:59:33,804 --> 00:59:37,942 SMITH: For the first 20 years that I was involved in electronics, 753 00:59:37,975 --> 00:59:40,344 the focus was on production. 754 00:59:40,377 --> 00:59:43,648 But as the industry grew and expanded, 755 00:59:43,681 --> 00:59:46,751 I realized along with a number of other people, 756 00:59:46,784 --> 00:59:50,821 that it was not only the production-related hazards that were a problem, 757 00:59:50,855 --> 00:59:54,825 it was what happened to these products as they became obsolete. 758 00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:58,362 This industry has grown so rapidly 759 00:59:58,395 --> 01:00:02,232 that it's becoming much more of a resource, a suck. 760 01:00:02,266 --> 01:00:04,835 It is just taking up so many resources. 761 01:00:04,869 --> 01:00:07,872 We have to find ways of reusing our devices. 762 01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:18,849 DARRIN MAGEE: Americans toss out a lot of gadgets every day. 763 01:00:18,883 --> 01:00:22,419 If we look at the three million or so tons of electronic waste 764 01:00:22,452 --> 01:00:25,956 that gets generated in the United States every year, 765 01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:30,227 probably 15% of that gets recycled. 766 01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:37,034 And some percent of that gets recycled in a responsible fashion. 767 01:00:47,077 --> 01:00:48,112 MAGEE: Holy cow. 768 01:00:48,145 --> 01:00:51,448 DON CASS: Yeah, now this is the way it all comes in. 769 01:00:51,481 --> 01:00:55,319 What you'll see now is this line is doing desktop computers. 770 01:00:55,352 --> 01:00:56,821 Yeah. 771 01:00:56,854 --> 01:00:59,990 Lisa's working on one right now where she'll take... 772 01:01:00,024 --> 01:01:04,328 She'll take the whole desktop computer, take it down to the parts. 773 01:01:04,361 --> 01:01:07,364 So you see the parts are in the boxes. Mmm-hmm. Right. 774 01:01:07,397 --> 01:01:10,567 We've got wire, plastics... 775 01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:16,440 The value, you can see, is going up 'cause now these are the boards. 776 01:01:16,473 --> 01:01:19,076 Okay. So this is where the potential 777 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:21,511 for a little bit of money is right there. 778 01:01:21,545 --> 01:01:23,547 Right in here is where the money is. Okay. 779 01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:25,249 Is that gold? In the... Gold, yes. 780 01:01:46,603 --> 01:01:50,107 MAGEE: We have very little relationship to our garbage here. 781 01:01:51,675 --> 01:01:53,610 We throw it away, 782 01:01:53,643 --> 01:01:55,813 and my point as an environmental geographer, is to say, 783 01:01:55,846 --> 01:01:57,547 "Where is 'away'?" 784 01:01:57,581 --> 01:01:59,349 "Away" is here for someone. 785 01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:34,018 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 786 01:05:14,211 --> 01:05:16,580 (XIA HUO SPEAKING) 787 01:05:52,616 --> 01:05:55,085 KIMBERLEY PRATHER: We think, "Okay, we'll send our e-waste to China. 788 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,687 "Let them burn it. Let them have the pollution." 789 01:05:57,721 --> 01:05:59,289 But we have to remember 790 01:05:59,323 --> 01:06:03,027 that air pollution travels around the globe. 791 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:07,731 That pollution's getting lofted into the atmosphere and coming right back to us. 792 01:06:10,067 --> 01:06:12,002 A metal is a metal is a metal, you know. 793 01:06:12,036 --> 01:06:14,871 And there's no other form for it to convert to. 794 01:06:14,904 --> 01:06:18,008 You can covert it from being in the soil, 795 01:06:18,042 --> 01:06:20,344 to being in the water, to being in the air... 796 01:06:20,377 --> 01:06:21,645 But you still have a metal. 797 01:06:26,783 --> 01:06:29,286 In our work, we fly through clouds 798 01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:32,789 and we sample the cloud droplets... 799 01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:37,261 and we measure the chemistry of each one very fast as you're flying through a cloud. 800 01:06:38,662 --> 01:06:42,032 And they're flashing as fast as you can imagine on a screen, 801 01:06:42,066 --> 01:06:43,800 and we collect that information. 802 01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:46,136 And what we get is a chemical fingerprint. 803 01:06:47,671 --> 01:06:51,141 In California, with the getting rid of lead in gasoline, 804 01:06:51,175 --> 01:06:54,211 we've reduced the amount of lead we have. 805 01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:56,413 And so when lead shows up 806 01:06:56,446 --> 01:06:58,348 that is one of the tracers that we say, 807 01:06:58,382 --> 01:07:00,717 "Hmm. This could be from elsewhere." 808 01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:04,721 And we can trace it back in time and say, you know, 809 01:07:04,754 --> 01:07:07,691 "Four days ago, this air was over Asia." 810 01:07:14,164 --> 01:07:16,833 PRATHER: So, let's look at this first. This is amazing. 811 01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:18,935 How long has she been doing this? 812 01:07:18,968 --> 01:07:20,970 The hit rate is really high. 813 01:07:21,004 --> 01:07:23,640 We look at what are called "aerosol particles..." 814 01:07:23,673 --> 01:07:26,243 Little microscopic bits of dust and soot 815 01:07:26,276 --> 01:07:28,512 that float around in our atmosphere. 816 01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:30,814 And then we've been using them to understanding 817 01:07:30,847 --> 01:07:32,949 how they affect our climate 818 01:07:32,982 --> 01:07:35,485 and how they affect the clouds and the weather. 819 01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:37,521 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 820 01:07:42,826 --> 01:07:46,163 When you have more pollution, and you have more aerosols... 821 01:07:46,196 --> 01:07:47,931 Those go into the cloud. 822 01:07:47,964 --> 01:07:53,270 And you have so many that they can't get big enough to fall and lead to rain. 823 01:07:54,971 --> 01:07:57,641 And it's giving you these extremes of either 824 01:07:57,674 --> 01:07:59,943 not enough water in some places 825 01:07:59,976 --> 01:08:02,646 and way too much water in other places. 826 01:08:06,483 --> 01:08:09,153 What happens if we push it too far? 827 01:08:09,186 --> 01:08:12,989 We'll start to see more of these extreme events... 828 01:08:13,022 --> 01:08:15,459 Things like flooding and hurricanes. 829 01:08:18,428 --> 01:08:21,298 These are what people often refer to as "tipping points". 830 01:08:21,331 --> 01:08:24,834 And that's what we're very concerned about happening. 831 01:08:34,678 --> 01:08:38,582 I think people take for granted that the world will always be here for us. 832 01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:41,618 It was somehow... "It's ours and so we can just use it up." 833 01:08:44,688 --> 01:08:49,259 I'd like to leave something for my kids and their kids to be able to enjoy, 834 01:08:49,293 --> 01:08:51,361 and I just see it slipping away. 835 01:08:53,963 --> 01:08:57,234 We're responsible for taking care of this planet... 836 01:08:57,267 --> 01:09:00,737 And we need to realize that each individual is responsible 837 01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:03,106 in every choice we make every day. 838 01:09:06,109 --> 01:09:09,613 WILLIAMS: My attachment to my devices is more complicated now. 839 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:15,185 It's hard to get excited about the next new model or upgrade... 840 01:09:15,219 --> 01:09:17,421 Knowing what they really cost to make. 841 01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:23,693 The industry, 842 01:09:23,727 --> 01:09:27,331 in its constant search for cheaper workers and land, 843 01:09:27,364 --> 01:09:29,466 is moving on to new countries 844 01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:32,302 with few government safeguards or inspections. 845 01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:41,311 We all have a share in this problem. 846 01:09:41,345 --> 01:09:44,681 But we can use our voices and our buying power 847 01:09:44,714 --> 01:09:46,783 to demand real labor safety 848 01:09:46,816 --> 01:09:49,386 and greater environmental protections. 849 01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:57,327 The digital revolution has improved our lives in so many ways. 850 01:09:57,361 --> 01:10:01,831 We need to make sure it doesn't rob us of our health and our planet. 851 01:10:40,504 --> 01:10:44,874 WILLIAMS: Do you feel like you as a consumer have anything you can do about this? 852 01:10:44,908 --> 01:10:49,045 I think consuming not too often helps. 853 01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:52,115 I would upgrade less often. 854 01:10:52,148 --> 01:10:53,483 I would absolutely do that. 855 01:10:53,517 --> 01:10:55,852 I can put together a petition to 856 01:10:55,885 --> 01:10:59,889 these companies and ask them to be more responsible in their work practices. 857 01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:05,161 WILLIAMS: Would you be interested in buying a green phone? 858 01:11:05,194 --> 01:11:06,863 Oh, a green device would be great. 859 01:11:06,896 --> 01:11:10,400 I would pay actually more for a green device. 860 01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:16,205 Get rid of the iPad, I'd pay for a green phone. 861 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:17,474 I would pay more for it. 862 01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:19,108 We already pay more for stuff 863 01:11:19,142 --> 01:11:22,446 that we consider organic or ethical. 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