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SUE WILLIAMS: So, I just
wanted to ask you,
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how many electronic devices
do you have, like phones,
computers?
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Oh, my God. Um,
definitely, more than ten.
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iPad, phone, PlayStation
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and I have
a little tablet.
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I'm pretty close with my
phone. It doesn't really
leave my hand very much.
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My iPhone is the most
critical device I have.
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WILLIAMS: Do you love
that phone a lot?
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Um, I'm pretty
attached to it, yes.
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(LAUGHING)
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I'd be lost without it,
probably.
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WILLIAMS: I'm also attached
to my phone, my
computer, my tablet.
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And it amazes me how,
in just 20 years,
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they've completely changed
the way I live
and communicate.
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Our devices are
sleek and elegant.
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We store our lives
in a beautiful cloud.
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I started making this film
to explore the impact of
our digital revolution.
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And then, secrets the industry
tried to hide for years
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began to spill out.
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How our electronics are
made and unmade,
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is dirty and dangerous.
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(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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It's a global story
of damaged lives,
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environmental destruction,
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and devices that
are designed to die.
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MA JUN: In China,
massive industrialization
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has put a huge pressure
on our ecosystem and
on the environment.
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When it comes
to IT industry,
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many people think
it's, uh...
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It's green or
naturally it's green.
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Or some people think it's,
even think it's "virtual."
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But in our investigation,
we've found
it's not like that.
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This pollution is
having all kinds of
different consequences
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but I think that
the top impact,
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the biggest impact
is on public health.
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We have nearly 300
million rural residents
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who don't have
access to sufficient
safe drinking water.
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(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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MA JUN: I keep thinking
about the moment
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when I face all
this environmental
and social damage
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on that river,
you know,
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which carries all this waste
to the lake beside
the Yangtze River.
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And these old ladies
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suddenly kneeled down
on their knees
in front of me.
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(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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MA JUN: I don't have
any government
administrative power,
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I don't have much financial
resources to deal with this,
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but I told myself,
at that moment,
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in front of those ladies,
I told myself that, uh,
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at least I need to
bring the message out.
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I need to make sure that
all the users
of all these gadgets,
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they need to be
informed about this.
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You can see the farmland
here. This is what this
valley used to look like,
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uh, just full of...
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This was the richest
agricultural valley
in the country.
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You can see why people,
once they saw this,
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wanted to live here.
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I moved to this area in 1969,
to go to law school,
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because I wanted to help
people who didn't have
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the means to
represent themselves.
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It was a time when most
people had not heard
of the semiconductor industry.
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But within a few years
people started
seeing the birth
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of what has become the,
you know,
global electronics industry.
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Top names were companies...
Hewlett-Packard, Apple,
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uh, Intel, Advanced
Micro Devices...
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Virtually, the who's who
of the electronics industry.
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And of course, the granddaddy
of them all was IBM.
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ART RODRIGUEZ:
When I got hired at IBM,
that was great.
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That was the company
to work for at the time.
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I could go anyplace.
"Where do you work?"
"IBM."
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I don't need an ID.
You just write a check.
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It was that easy.
IBM had that much clout.
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MIKE GRAY: I was the first
microprocessor buyer for IBM.
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In the early '80s, the idea
of a personal computer
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which was an oxymoron, right.
I mean "personal computer"?
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What would you
use it for anyway?
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But it got legs.
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When we started
the PC business,
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the first year,
they shipped 50,000 units.
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And so we went from 1,000
a week to 40,000 a week.
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And at that point
the PC was launched.
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TED SMITH: From almost
the very beginning,
you heard electronics
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and semiconductor production
was a clean industry.
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They said it was as
clean as a hospital
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but what they weren't telling
people was that it was really
a chemical-handling industry,
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and that the magic of
making these micro-circuits
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relied on the use of hundreds,
if not thousands,
of very toxic chemicals.
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And that's why they
have clean rooms,
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that's why they have
bunny suits to try to
protect the chips.
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It was never designed
to protect the workers,
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it was always designed to
protect the product itself.
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RODRIGUEZ: Oh, my God.
There was a lot of
different chemicals.
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They built the disk drives.
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We'd have to strip 'em out
and then we'd, literally,
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have to dip 'em
in sulfuric acid...
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And with a sponge,
you just...
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With sulfuric...
I didn't know what it was.
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I just knew it
stunk really bad,
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and you couldn't get it on
your skin 'cause it would burn
you like nobody's business.
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SMITH: What happened was
people started getting sick
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with very strange
kinds of illnesses,
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things that didn't seem to
make a lot of sense and
didn't seem to hang together.
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But increasingly,
as this happened
more and more,
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there was a small group of
people that began to think
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that maybe this was
related to the chemical
exposure on the job.
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YVETTE FLORES:
Wanna put music on?
MARK: Yeah.
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FLORES: All right, go on,
turn on the music for Mom.
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Put some good
music on today.
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(BURNING DOWN THE
HOUSE PLAYING)
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Right there.
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Right there.
Okay, put this on, mijo.
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Here's your thing,
I charged it up.
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All right, you gonna sing?
Yeah.
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Okay, go!
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FLORES: In 1975,
I was 18 years old
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and I started working
in the electronics field.
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I went to Spectra-Physics
and they just hired
me just like that.
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I was making
the end of the laser
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and I would have to
mix up this chemical
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and I used to
call it "green gunk"...
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(LAUGHS) ...and
get the consistency,
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and then put it
into a spray gun.
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And I would have
to heat that up after
I glued it on together.
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That was just all day,
that I did that.
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Yvette didn't know the
material she was using
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turns out to be
probably in the vicinity
of 50% lead oxide.
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She didn't know she
was exposed to lead.
They didn't tell her that.
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I got pregnant
with Mark in 1979
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and that was full term,
nine months,
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and we were just
really happy about it.
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He doesn't even know to
cross the street and not
know a car is coming to stop.
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Going to the restroom,
you know, I have to
go with him in there.
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So I have to assist
him with everything.
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Who's number one?
Mark is.
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You better
know it, huh.
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If I knew what I know now
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I would've ran out of
Spectra-Physics at the time.
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It was unnecessary.
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It just, it breaks my heart
that I could've avoided this.
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There you go!
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HAWES: We are filing a
lawsuit against her employer.
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And it's a lawsuit
for her son,
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who was born with severe
developmental disabilities.
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And it's a suit concealment of
systemic chemical poisoning
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in the case of Yvette and for
the direct injuries to Mark.
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FLORES: Mark's condition
isn't like a cold,
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take antibiotics
and you're gonna be
fine in five days.
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This is lifelong.
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Your love
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just overrides all that and
you do what you gotta do.
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To this day I still do that.
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I'm sorry, I'm getting
a little emotional.
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Count. One, two...
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Three.
Keep going.
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Two.
No, four.
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Four.
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HAWES: We've known about
the bad effects of lead,
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including
reproductive effects,
since the era of the Romans.
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There was an OSHA
standard in place
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requiring hazard
communication
and medical removal.
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They didn't do
any of those things.
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Do I think this
was preventable?
Oh yeah, I do.
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I discovered IBM had a
Corporate Mortality file,
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which they kept
for 30 years.
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And it kept track of
the causes of death
of their employees.
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RICHARD CLAPP:
The most dramatic findings
were about cancer.
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For the company as a whole
this was 33,000 deaths
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that were in this
Corporate Mortality file,
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so it included people who
had worked all over the U.S.
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But then when you look
at specific plants like
the IBM plant in San Jose,
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there were some extraordinary
excess causes of death.
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One was brain cancer.
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Another was
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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Another was
melanoma of the skin.
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And in the women,
breast cancer
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was three and fourfold
higher than expected.
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That was the heart in
this San Jose lawsuit.
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NEWSCASTER:
In a Santa Clara
courtroom today,
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the first trial out of more
than 200 similar lawsuits
filed against IBM.
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Former IBM workers
Jim Moore and Alida Hernandez
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say they developed cancer
from exposure
to toxic chemicals
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at IBM's San Jose facility
in the late '70s
to early '90s.
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IBM literally
tried to prevent
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the results of the mortality
analysis from ever
seeing the light of day.
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In fact, they went
to the judge and said,
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"This can't be
used in this case.
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"Alida Hernandez is not dead.
She's gonna be
in the courtroom."
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And not only was it
not relevant,
the judge said
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it might prejudice the jury
if they saw what these
excess causes of death were.
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And so he denied
use of it in the court.
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LINDA GREER: Many of
the brands will respond
to questions by saying,
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"No one has ever proved to
me that a single person
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"has died from exposure
to these chemicals
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"either within,
inside our factories or
outside of the factories.
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"End of discussion."
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But that's not the way
that we approach
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environmental or occupational
health in the world.
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We are not flying
blind here at all,
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especially on the chemicals
at issue here in the
electronics industry.
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Actually, on most of the
common chemicals used in
all industrial manufacturing,
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we've been at this
work for 40 years.
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If you look at
the publicity
generated by IBM,
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you'd think we
lost everything
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and that simply
is not correct.
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After the trial,
IBM matters were resolved
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for hundreds of people whose
claims did not go to trial.
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WILLIAMS: What can you tell
us about the settlements?
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I'm not gonna be able to
talk about any of the
resolutions of the cases
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and I won't.
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WILLIAMS: Can you give
any details at all?
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Did you have to agree not
to reveal the details
as part of the settlements?
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All I can say is that the
matters were resolved.
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That's what
I'm allowed to say.
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It is kind of ironic
to have the...
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the Lucky supermarket
on such an unlucky site.
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This whole area was
a contaminated site.
It still is.
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And there were many
companies in here
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that all of whom
created, uh, this...
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toxic nightmare.
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There was an arrogance,
a hubris
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to the leadership
of this industry
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that was basically
saying to the people
of this valley,
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"You should be lucky
that we're here."
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And it really enraged me.
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Here in Silicon Valley
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chip companies and
the other electronics
production companies
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used hundreds,
if not thousands
of toxic chemicals.
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And most of the chemicals,
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once they're used in
making the components,
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needed to be
disposed of as waste.
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The companies ended up
storing them in underground
storage tanks
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all over the valley.
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But the brilliant people
who were designing
these systems,
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didn't quite think
through all the way
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was that the solvents
were really good at
dissolving things.
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And so when you
put them into a tank,
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eventually, they are
going to eat their way
through the tank.
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Solvents that the electronics
industry used in production
in Silicon Valley
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in the '70s and '80s
are now in the groundwater.
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And if you think about putting
a drop of ink in a bathtub,
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um, that spreads really
quickly and it's really hard
to get that drop of ink back.
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That's what we're
dealing with except
we're dealing with
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multiples of gallons
of this stuff that is
in the groundwater.
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SMITH: In late 1981
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there were over 100 families
in one little neighborhood
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who had serious problems.
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And the State Health
Department discovered that
the families that were
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drinking the most heavily
contaminated water
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had significantly higher
rates of miscarriages
and birth defects
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than did people in
other neighborhoods.
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ANN BLAKE:
The chemical industry
will often say,
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if I had a dime for
every time I heard this,
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that even water can kill you,
the most non-toxic thing.
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Of course it can,
but only if you stick your
face down in the bathtub
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or fall into a, you know,
fall into a large body
of water.
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So that is the traditional
approach to toxicology,
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is that the more stuff
you are exposed to,
the more harm it causes you.
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But what we are seeing in,
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particularly around cancer
and around hormone
disrupting chemicals,
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is that it's when you're
exposed to it,
the time of exposure.
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So if you're
in third trimester
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and you get even
a part per billion,
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or part per trillion
exposure...
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It can actually cause
significant damage.
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SMITH: We formed
the Silicon Valley
Toxics Coalition.
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And we did a summer
organizing project
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getting people to
sign petitions,
asking the EPA to step in
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with their authority under
their Superfund program.
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ALL: (CHANTING)
No CFCs, no CFCs.
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SMITH: Then I went to
a meeting in Washington
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and presented these
thousands of petitions saying,
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"We need EPA to come in,
it's time for EPA to
exercise your authority."
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And to everybody's
great surprise...
they agreed to do that.
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So Hewlett-Packard
became a Superfund site.
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Intel became a Superfund site.
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National Semiconductor.
Advanced Micro Devices,
IBM...
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You name it, they were there
and they are all
Superfund sites.
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The cost of clean-up
for IBM as well as all
the other companies
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has been tremendous.
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It's an enormously slow
and tedious process.
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If you look
right over here also,
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this is a major
residential neighborhood
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just directly across
the street from
this industrial site.
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Most of the people
living here today
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are unaware of this
huge toxic plume.
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And those same chemicals
that are still
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right under where
we're standing
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are now beginning
to seep back up
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out of the groundwater,
through the soil,
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and are actually coming
into the offices
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of these software
engineers at Google.
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And this is the one that
EPA said might take
300 years to clean up.
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This is so complicated,
the devastation
is so enormous...
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that we're really talking
centuries of clean-up,
not just years or decades.
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Every time we've been able
to identify a problem,
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companies have made
the argument that we've had
problems in the past but
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we've learned from those
and now everything's fine.
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The problem is that
it just keeps reoccurring.
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When companies started
moving away from Silicon
Valley to China,
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I think that they've been
only too happy to have
the government off their back.
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The Chinese government
made an offer
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to multinational corporations
that they couldn't refuse.
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GRAY: You need land,
and you need money,
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and you need
government approval,
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and you need lots of people
to put it all together.
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Well, they have
all of that in China.
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It went insane in the '90s.
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I look back now and just
kind of shake my head
and say...
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"How did that happen?"
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STEVE JOBS: We are
calling it "iPhone".
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Today, Apple is going to
reinvent the phone.
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GRAY: If you look
at the launch
of the Apple 5,
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they were making
10 million in one week.
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So, I mean, hey, you know,
how do you wrap your head
around these numbers?
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One of the primary
purposes of outsourcing
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is to enable
companies like Apple
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to make, what are essentially,
unreasonable demands
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on manufacturers that they
wouldn't and couldn't make
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if they actually had to
employ the workers directly.
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Apple doesn't have to worry
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about what it means to workers
when they insist on a tripling
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of the pace of
iPhone production.
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(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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(REPORTER SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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NEWSCASTER: ...workers died
and 15 others were injured
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after an explosion
at a Foxconn factory...
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(REPORTER SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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NEWSCASTER: The accident
occurred at around 7:00 pm
in a polishing workshop.
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It appears to have been
triggered by an explosion of
combustible dust in a duct.
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GARRETT BROWN: No one
should be surprised
that aluminum dust,
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if it's in a high
enough concentration
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and there is
an ignition source,
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it will produce
explosion and fire.
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This is a hazard which
is extremely well known.
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So the fact that
Apple suppliers,
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uh, had an explosion
in Chengdu in that plant,
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means that they had
very poor housekeeping,
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very poor
production processes.
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That's terrible.
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What's completely unacceptable
is that five months later,
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at another plant, but within
the Apple supply chain
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they had another
explosion and fire.
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It's outrageously
inexcusable
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that they had a second one
five months later.
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They've set up these
supply chains exactly
the way they want them.
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They monitor these
supply chains with
exacting scrutiny
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so they know exactly what's
going into their products
at every point along the way.
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GRAY: I find it really
hard to believe
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for any of those companies to
say they don't know where some
of their stuff comes from.
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I find it really
hard to believe, right,
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because they do.
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Now, they may not
want to admit it...
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publicly, fine.
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You don't have to
but they should know,
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uh, where it comes from.
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Any good supply chain
practitioner knows that.
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WILLIAMS: How often do you
upgrade your phone?
Every couple of years.
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WILLIAMS:
Do you upgrade often?
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Uh, when I have
the money to, yeah.
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Probably every year.
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(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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WILLIAMS: So you upgrade
pretty often, or...
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Oh, yes, you have to.
Yeah, you have to.
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Well, we have a table
at all iFixit of the guns.
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It will show you how
to disassemble
the whole thing.
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So I have an
iPhone 5 here
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and I'm gonna show you
a little bit about
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what's inside,
what makes it tick.
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And some of the design
choices that Apple made
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putting it together.
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So the first thing Apple
has on the bottom is
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two proprietary,
pentalobe screws.
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This is a security screw
that Apple designed
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to keep people
out of the phone.
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Once you get the phone open,
we can start to see the guts.
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This isn't really a phone,
it's pretty much
a full-blown computer.
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To make your phone last
for eight hours,
you need a really big battery.
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Batteries in phones
last about 400 charges.
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Every cell phone I've
ever had you just
pop the back off,
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you could
pull the battery out,
swap a new battery in,
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every year or two
you'd have to
replace the battery.
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Apple has decided
with the iPod and,
now, the iPhone
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that they don't
like that model.
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So what they are doing
is building the batteries
into the phone
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and using proprietary
screws on there
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in an attempt to limit
the lifespan of the phone
to about 18 months,
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which is around the
time when they
have a new phone
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and they want you to
buy a new one anyway.
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LUKE SOULES: iFixit is
a company that wants to
see everything get fixed,
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so we show people
how to fix things
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and provide the parts,
tools, and guides to
enable them to do so.
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Helping everyone
fix everything.
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That's the challenge.
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It's a big challenge
'cause there's millions
of devices out there.
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I'd say Luke and I
are reluctant capitalists.
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We get excited
selling screwdrivers
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even though that seems
like a boring product
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because we're selling
people a capability
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where they're able to do
something that they
wouldn't have otherwise.
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We wanna make it simple
and easy for people to
repair their own stuff.
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The amount of raw materials
that go into the products
that we use are staggering.
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It's over 500 pounds of raw
material that go into making
an eight-ounce cell phone.
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SOULES: So, here's an
example of a circuit
board in this e-waste bin.
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This is out of an Apple laptop
from a few years ago.
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Even if you make
this circuit board
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in the most
environmentally friendly way,
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it's still going to use
a ton of water,
a ton of m...
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Probably literally a ton
of water, lots and
lots of materials.
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We got the new MacBook.
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What do we know so far?
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Cost is a bump and
a flash-speed bump.
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Brand new MacBook,
nothing is different.
(LAUGHTER)
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The electronics industry
is closed in ways that
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traditional American
manufacturers aren't.
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They're selling you a thing
and they're saying,
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"Well, you have it but
you don't really own it.
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"There is no way we are gonna
ever sell you the screwdriver
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"to be able to get
into the phone."
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Ford would never
sell you a car and say,
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"We're not gonna
make tires available
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"to keep your car running
after 30,000 miles."
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You have an entire
ecosystem, an entire industry
that's built on secrecy,
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and we're one organization
that's trying to pry open
the hood a little bit,
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show people what's inside.
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SOULES: We've kind of been
conditioned by manufacturers
and brands to
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leave yourself on the outside.
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"Don't worry about
the details.
We make this product.
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"We give it to you and
you just use this product.
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"And when it stops working
you go buy a new one."
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KYLE WIENS: They are pushing
us into a model where
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products are
completely disposable.
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Globally, we manufactured
about 1.6 billion
cell phones in 2014.
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And it just keeps going up
and up and you have to ask
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at some point like,
"What is too many phones?"
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SOULES: When we originally
started iFixit, it was just
a way to provide
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people with some solution
to fix broken devices.
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And over time, we've realized,
both the manufacturing and
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the environmental problems
are a huge concern.
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Over the last few years,
I've been to China
on a pretty regular basis...
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A lot of that related
to our tool manufacturing.
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We're looking at getting some
circuit boards manufactured.
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This is the big
rechargeable battery and then
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this is the main
circuit board in here.
Wow.
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So considering
it's just a flashlight,
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you can see it's
a surprisingly, uh,
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complex circuit board.
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And I've got this
basic schematic
of the circuit board.
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Once, we decide,
we'll leave them with the
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full information,
would be the idea.
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Finding a supplier that is
environmentally friendly,
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has good quality and has
reasonable pricing,
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all three of those at once,
is probably going
to be a challenge.
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Hello, nice to meet you.
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SOULES: You know,
I've heard inspection,
photo inspection...
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Visiting factories,
we've found that
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it's surprisingly effective to
show up on short notice.
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In general, any factory
that's not willing
to let you seethe factory
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is an immediate
red flag,
461
00:38:04,483 --> 00:38:06,318
and at least for us,
someone that
462
00:38:06,352 --> 00:38:08,420
we don't want
to do business with.
463
00:38:15,727 --> 00:38:17,896
This is the big line
in the factory,
464
00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:19,398
so this is where
they are etching,
465
00:38:19,431 --> 00:38:23,034
bringing all these
nasty acids and
other chemicals in.
466
00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:28,306
You've got a little bit
of acid leak here,
467
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:31,910
you can see congealed acid on
the outside of the machine.
468
00:38:37,048 --> 00:38:41,052
I walked over to where there
were some storage tanks and
469
00:38:41,086 --> 00:38:45,090
there was basically acid
all over the floor and
470
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:49,561
the moment I looked over that
they told me, I mean, to,
"Get back away from here."
471
00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:52,731
This isn't
giving me a good feeling.
472
00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,669
As far as making sure
everything is done correctly,
473
00:38:57,703 --> 00:39:00,706
environmentally,
it doesn't seem like
that's a priority for them.
474
00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:03,875
And then about
the Maozhou River,
475
00:39:03,909 --> 00:39:07,145
he said the fact
that it was so dirty
476
00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:10,616
was the price you had
to pay for the last 30 years
of development.
477
00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:11,817
ALEX LI: Yes.
478
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,822
Yeah, don't wanna
buy from them.
479
00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:34,806
(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
480
00:40:37,469 --> 00:40:39,738
LI: Do you feel that
Shenzhen changed a bit?
481
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:42,774
Uh, Shenzhen is
constantly changing.
482
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:49,581
LI: A lot of industrial
parks here and there.
483
00:40:49,615 --> 00:40:53,118
SOULES:
Spent a lot of time traveling,
getting around Shenzhen.
484
00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:03,128
So we shall see
what they have to offer us.
485
00:41:13,104 --> 00:41:17,108
SOULES: This is definitely
the most professional
of the factories visited.
486
00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:25,483
The fact that we are being
taken through this
water treatment facility
487
00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:27,385
is a really promising sign.
488
00:41:28,754 --> 00:41:32,057
You start out with
incredibly yucky water
489
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:34,660
and it goes through
a progressive series
of filters
490
00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:35,994
and other processes...
491
00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:38,797
And, eventually,
you end up with,
492
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,666
hopefully,
acceptably clean water.
493
00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:46,037
The coolest thing,
when the water is
494
00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:48,173
coming through
the treatment facility,
495
00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:51,610
some of the water
comes out and dumps
into this fountain and
496
00:41:51,643 --> 00:41:53,378
they have fish in here
and the factory owner said
497
00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:55,446
"Well, they know the water
treatment is working okay
498
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,049
"as long as the
fish are still alive."
499
00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:01,820
A little unfortunate for the
fish 'cause if something
breaks maybe the fish die.
500
00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:05,991
So, the factory
general manager
501
00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:07,559
specifically said to me
502
00:42:07,593 --> 00:42:09,895
that lots of the Chinese
customers, they have...
503
00:42:09,928 --> 00:42:12,230
Don't like the fact that
they've spent all the money
504
00:42:12,263 --> 00:42:15,266
to do the water treatment
'cause it adds to the
cost of the boards.
505
00:42:16,602 --> 00:42:19,370
But it's clear to me that
this would definitely be
506
00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:22,007
the factory to buy from
of the ones we've visited.
507
00:42:30,415 --> 00:42:32,450
You see here,
with all these factories
508
00:42:32,483 --> 00:42:34,953
just the impact of all our
manufacturing and buying.
509
00:42:34,986 --> 00:42:37,555
Like when we were looking at
the river yesterday,
510
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:41,026
all the stuff we are going
and buying at the store is
511
00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:44,095
messing up water in rivers
over here in Shenzhen.
512
00:42:44,129 --> 00:42:46,097
LI: Exactly.
513
00:42:46,131 --> 00:42:49,367
But, an American,
we never see that river...
514
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,904
We think we've fixed
all of our
environmental problems
515
00:42:52,938 --> 00:42:56,374
with water quality and such,
'cause we don't see it.
516
00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,210
So it's kind of out of sight,
out of mind.
517
00:43:01,212 --> 00:43:02,547
(APPLAUSE)
518
00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:10,021
This is the 2015 Skoll Awards
for Social Entrepreneurship.
519
00:43:11,289 --> 00:43:15,661
From the Institute of Public
and Environmental Affairs,
520
00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:16,695
Ma Jun.
521
00:43:17,128 --> 00:43:18,496
(APPLAUSE)
522
00:43:29,407 --> 00:43:31,176
Ladies and gentlemen,
523
00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:34,846
I'm truly honored
and humbled
524
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,348
to be the first
Chinese citizen
525
00:43:37,382 --> 00:43:39,450
to receive the Skoll award.
526
00:43:39,484 --> 00:43:40,819
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
527
00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:42,921
Thank you.
528
00:43:45,991 --> 00:43:48,026
MA JUN: I set up this
Institute of
529
00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:52,130
Public and Environmental
Affairs or IPE and
530
00:43:52,163 --> 00:43:55,033
our first project is to build
531
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:58,904
a national water
pollution database.
532
00:43:58,937 --> 00:44:01,907
So, all these records comes
from the government sources.
533
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:05,343
The public can access the
information by click on the
534
00:44:05,376 --> 00:44:08,747
locations on the map because
people want to know,
535
00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:11,917
you know, who should be
held responsible
536
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:14,786
for such a bad
water pollution situation.
537
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,988
And so far,
538
00:44:17,022 --> 00:44:24,429
we got more than 110,000
records of violation
in our database.
539
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:32,337
Environmental litigation
is still quite
difficult in China.
540
00:44:34,172 --> 00:44:39,277
As a result,
the cost of violation
is very low.
541
00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:42,814
It's actually lower
than the cost of compliance.
542
00:44:42,848 --> 00:44:45,550
So all those factories
in China, many of them
543
00:44:45,583 --> 00:44:48,854
would rather pay fines
year after year...
544
00:44:48,887 --> 00:44:51,222
without really
addressing the problems.
545
00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:58,663
In April 2010,
546
00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:03,101
we filed letters
to 29 IT brands
547
00:45:03,134 --> 00:45:06,872
to check with them whether
those polluting factories,
548
00:45:06,905 --> 00:45:09,340
whether they are
their suppliers.
549
00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:12,377
All of them responded
except one,
550
00:45:12,911 --> 00:45:14,412
that is Apple.
551
00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:21,152
Apple just give us
one statement, that is,
552
00:45:21,186 --> 00:45:25,390
"We have a long-term policy
not to disclose
our supply chain."
553
00:45:26,191 --> 00:45:27,725
That's it.
554
00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:30,528
And we call it the iPad.
555
00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,397
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
556
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:34,032
MA JUN: I was quite shocked.
557
00:45:34,065 --> 00:45:36,301
I can't accept that
because, you know,
558
00:45:36,334 --> 00:45:39,104
I think that you could have
your own culture,
559
00:45:39,137 --> 00:45:41,639
you can make your own policy
560
00:45:41,672 --> 00:45:46,077
but when your operation
is having an impact
561
00:45:46,111 --> 00:45:49,447
on the health of other people,
you can't say that,
562
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,050
"I've made a policy
not to talk."
563
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,795
GREER:
Ma Jun contacted me
564
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:06,397
and we began
to work together
565
00:46:06,431 --> 00:46:08,699
to apply additional pressure
566
00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:11,769
to a company with headquarters
here in the United States.
567
00:46:11,803 --> 00:46:14,739
Ma Jun singled out
a number of facilities
568
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:17,943
that he believed were in
Apple's supply chain.
569
00:46:17,976 --> 00:46:22,347
That it had a very heavy
environmental impact
in their locality.
570
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:25,316
And when he
leveled those charges,
571
00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:29,487
Apple was shocked and
sort of in denial
572
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:36,427
that this type of problem to
this extent could really
exist in their supply chain.
573
00:46:37,963 --> 00:46:40,365
MA JUN: I think it's important
to understand that
574
00:46:40,398 --> 00:46:42,901
this is not just about Apple.
575
00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:45,503
You know, this is about
the IT industry.
576
00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:51,309
GREER: They all share
printed circuit board
manufacturers.
577
00:46:51,342 --> 00:46:54,712
They all share
chip manufacturers.
578
00:46:54,745 --> 00:46:58,416
You know, despite their
audit protocols,
579
00:46:58,449 --> 00:47:03,855
there's a lot more talk than
walk on environmental impacts
in the supply chain.
580
00:47:04,789 --> 00:47:06,024
You say to yourself,
581
00:47:06,057 --> 00:47:08,860
"How could they not know about
any of these problems?"
582
00:47:08,894 --> 00:47:12,163
But, you know,
it's all what you ask and
it's all what you look for.
583
00:47:12,197 --> 00:47:14,565
So if you're there and
you have a checklist
584
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,567
of what you need
and you need it now,
585
00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:18,937
and that checklist
does not include
586
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:22,073
what's going on at the end
of the pipe of your
wastewater treatment plant,
587
00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:24,109
it's actually conceivable
588
00:47:24,142 --> 00:47:26,477
that you know exactly
where it's being made,
589
00:47:26,511 --> 00:47:30,115
you just don't know exactly
how it's being made
and what the impact is.
590
00:47:31,917 --> 00:47:34,719
That's what's going on,
not just with Apple,
591
00:47:34,752 --> 00:47:37,322
but with all of these
companies.
592
00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:40,892
Forty years of operating
the Environmental Protection
Agency in this country,
593
00:47:40,926 --> 00:47:42,793
these are
American-based companies.
594
00:47:42,827 --> 00:47:44,062
Hard to believe.
595
00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:51,802
MA JUN: The battle
is far from being over.
596
00:47:52,938 --> 00:47:55,406
This industry
is still, you know,
597
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,976
consuming too much resources.
598
00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:05,583
We still have this industry
which is discharging
so much waste...
599
00:48:05,616 --> 00:48:08,286
Not just normal waste,
hazardous waste.
600
00:48:10,922 --> 00:48:13,091
And just one supplier,
601
00:48:13,124 --> 00:48:16,827
it generates more than
100,000 tons
602
00:48:16,861 --> 00:48:19,330
of hazardous waste
in one year.
603
00:48:20,631 --> 00:48:24,769
How could we dispose them,
you know, in a safe way?
604
00:48:24,802 --> 00:48:29,240
So how much of a time bomb
is this industry gonna create?
605
00:48:59,504 --> 00:49:02,873
TONI SHERLING:
106, lung cancer.
606
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:08,646
108, Hodgkin's lymphoma.
607
00:49:12,183 --> 00:49:17,455
110, non-Hodgkin's
lymphoma, twice.
608
00:49:20,458 --> 00:49:24,762
112, the son had
testicular cancer,
609
00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:28,833
the father
had stomach cancer.
610
00:49:54,592 --> 00:49:59,897
LARRY SHERLING: I found out
that IBM was responsible for
spilling a lot of chemicals.
611
00:50:00,765 --> 00:50:02,367
And they said, "Sorry!
612
00:50:03,601 --> 00:50:06,204
"You know, we'll be
glad to put in,
what do they call it?
613
00:50:06,237 --> 00:50:07,672
"A mitigation system."
614
00:50:08,939 --> 00:50:11,442
The way they do is they
seal the floor
615
00:50:11,476 --> 00:50:16,614
and then they
put this system
in the formal basement.
616
00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:20,385
The idea is you're sucking
the ground vapors,
617
00:50:20,418 --> 00:50:23,288
and we can only go on
what they tell us.
618
00:50:23,321 --> 00:50:25,423
TONI SHERLING: They tell us
that these vapors
619
00:50:25,456 --> 00:50:29,627
go up through that pipe
and then come out
620
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:34,899
and immediately dissipate,
and I said, "You know, c'mon.
621
00:50:34,932 --> 00:50:36,767
"You know, you can
best believe
622
00:50:36,801 --> 00:50:39,070
"I don't put my garden
open underneath it
623
00:50:39,104 --> 00:50:41,106
"because it's gotta
go somewhere."
624
00:51:07,532 --> 00:51:11,836
TONI SHERLING: Our son, Cory,
presented the same way
his father did.
625
00:51:11,869 --> 00:51:16,107
No low-grade fever, no,
you know, night sweats,
626
00:51:16,141 --> 00:51:19,043
weight loss, just pain.
627
00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:20,778
He had pain in his stomach.
628
00:51:20,811 --> 00:51:24,282
He started with his first
chemo treatment
629
00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:29,154
and they said, "If there is
such a thing as a
good cancer, this is it.
630
00:51:29,187 --> 00:51:30,755
"This, we can fix this."
631
00:51:31,989 --> 00:51:34,825
And that poor kid
went through
632
00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:37,128
two or three rounds
of chemo,
633
00:51:37,162 --> 00:51:39,029
they did a PET scan and
634
00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:40,698
it grew back to what it was.
635
00:51:42,167 --> 00:51:46,103
And this repeated six times
636
00:51:46,137 --> 00:51:48,839
till they admitted
it was chemo resistant.
637
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,843
And he went from
185 pounds...
638
00:51:52,877 --> 00:51:56,814
We were with him the day
before he died,
he was 70 pounds.
639
00:51:58,349 --> 00:52:02,853
I mean I know our son is not
the only one and there is
640
00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:05,556
no big hullabaloo that's ever
gonna bring him back...
641
00:52:06,857 --> 00:52:10,027
But how many have to go
642
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:13,864
before we start
realizing that,
643
00:52:13,898 --> 00:52:16,801
you know, money is very
insignificant
644
00:52:16,834 --> 00:52:19,904
when it comes to the
bottom line in life,
really.
645
00:52:26,211 --> 00:52:29,079
I brought this diagram
646
00:52:29,113 --> 00:52:32,183
to one of the
first town hall meetings.
647
00:52:32,217 --> 00:52:36,721
I'm a nurse and I was
concerned because
648
00:52:36,754 --> 00:52:40,825
I believe there is a total
of 16 houses
649
00:52:40,858 --> 00:52:44,695
and there were 12 cases
of cancer in them.
650
00:52:47,298 --> 00:52:50,134
LARRY SHERLING: I'm sure
there's other cancer cases.
651
00:52:51,936 --> 00:52:55,440
These are the ones where we
knew the people personally.
652
00:52:56,907 --> 00:53:00,611
TONI SHERLING: You know,
IBM can do all they want
653
00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:03,781
but I don't think
anything they're doing
654
00:53:03,814 --> 00:53:06,584
could ever change the impact
655
00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:10,555
of what has happened
in our lives.
656
00:53:33,511 --> 00:53:35,380
PAUL MAHER: In electronics,
at this moment and time,
657
00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:37,482
I believe that we are
in the dinosaur age.
658
00:53:38,449 --> 00:53:39,917
We are using
too many resources,
659
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:41,519
too many raw materials
660
00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:44,822
and the life of computer
typically three to four years.
661
00:53:53,664 --> 00:53:56,133
MAHER: We're a small company
in Ireland...
662
00:53:56,166 --> 00:54:01,372
And our mission
is to produce
a fair-trade computer.
663
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:08,279
In the early days,
I'd repair just
component levels
664
00:54:08,313 --> 00:54:10,281
on the computers,
on the motherboards.
665
00:54:12,149 --> 00:54:13,684
From that, I noticed that
666
00:54:13,718 --> 00:54:17,121
there was a huge amount
of waste in the
computer industry.
667
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:23,060
So, we started
designing and building
668
00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:26,497
updateable, upgradeable,
reusable computers.
669
00:54:27,832 --> 00:54:31,336
This is my father's
environmental drill,
670
00:54:31,869 --> 00:54:33,170
no electricity.
671
00:54:33,203 --> 00:54:34,805
You just drill. (LAUGHS)
672
00:54:38,409 --> 00:54:40,811
How could you build
a computer without plastic?
673
00:54:40,845 --> 00:54:44,682
How could you build
a computer without lead,
mercury, PVCs,
674
00:54:44,715 --> 00:54:48,453
brominated flame-retardants,
and all the other
heavy metals?
675
00:54:49,354 --> 00:54:50,388
That was our goal.
676
00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,730
The material we use is wood,
677
00:54:59,764 --> 00:55:04,535
so it's technology of
100 years ago but
it's perfectly good.
678
00:55:06,537 --> 00:55:10,941
Our computers will last
seven to 10 years because
679
00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:16,180
home users,
non-technical people,
can repair and replace.
680
00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:18,783
I'm now replacing the memory.
681
00:55:20,785 --> 00:55:23,754
You can extend the life of it
by upgradability.
682
00:55:25,923 --> 00:55:29,093
This year coming is a...
Is a very big year for us.
683
00:55:29,126 --> 00:55:32,897
In March, we'll be in
CeBIT in Germany.
684
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:35,866
It's probably the second
largest fair in the world,
685
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:37,334
electronic fair, and we...
686
00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:38,903
We will show
our computers there.
687
00:55:41,372 --> 00:55:43,574
ANNE GALLIGAN:
The problem is the laptop,
688
00:55:43,608 --> 00:55:45,275
which is just at
prototype stage.
689
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:48,646
I'm trying to get
a manufacturer
690
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,782
that will produce it
at a reasonable price.
691
00:55:51,816 --> 00:55:54,519
The volume is
minimum 5,000-plus.
692
00:55:54,552 --> 00:55:55,920
That's the only way,
you know.
693
00:55:55,953 --> 00:56:01,291
Once you're beyond 5,000,
you now have a factory.
694
00:56:01,325 --> 00:56:04,762
GALLIGAN: Yeah, I think
it's great that we're having
the launch at the CeBIT,
695
00:56:04,795 --> 00:56:07,131
especially with the
696
00:56:07,164 --> 00:56:08,733
delegates that are
going to be there.
697
00:56:08,766 --> 00:56:11,536
It's a great opportunity for
them to see the product.
698
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:13,871
I think it's
all about the message.
699
00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:15,172
We're doing
all the right things.
700
00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:16,507
We're the
only people doing it.
701
00:56:16,541 --> 00:56:18,042
We're leading by example.
702
00:56:18,075 --> 00:56:19,276
We're a small little company,
703
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:21,378
showing these things
can be done.
704
00:56:40,064 --> 00:56:43,100
MAHER: Today is our
major launch in Europe.
705
00:56:44,802 --> 00:56:47,738
We have lots of invites
sent out to people.
706
00:56:49,507 --> 00:56:50,608
WILLIAMS: You nervous?
707
00:56:50,641 --> 00:56:51,809
Yes.
708
00:56:52,477 --> 00:56:53,644
Always.
709
00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:57,482
We have a lot
riding on this...
710
00:56:57,515 --> 00:57:01,018
So it's quite important that
the launch is good,
711
00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:03,654
and we can meet people
and explain what we're doing.
712
00:57:05,756 --> 00:57:10,160
What I've brought
for you is to see...
713
00:57:10,194 --> 00:57:13,230
I've also brought the laptop
which you didn't see.
714
00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:14,264
That's right.
715
00:57:18,469 --> 00:57:20,805
It's a nice case.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
716
00:57:23,307 --> 00:57:26,477
GALLIGAN: We were
awarded the world's
first European Ecolabel
717
00:57:26,511 --> 00:57:29,213
for integrated
desktop computers.
718
00:57:29,246 --> 00:57:32,783
It was the world's first
to ever achieve this award.
719
00:57:32,817 --> 00:57:35,152
At that time,
I thought, wow, the...
720
00:57:35,185 --> 00:57:38,255
The gates will open,
the orders will flood in.
721
00:57:38,288 --> 00:57:40,357
But that was not the case.
722
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:43,961
Maybe a little bit
of naivety on...
On my part.
723
00:57:43,994 --> 00:57:47,231
It's hard out there, like,
government agencies
and people like that,
724
00:57:47,264 --> 00:57:49,767
there is no room
for environmental.
725
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,002
They are totally
just bottom line.
726
00:57:53,170 --> 00:57:54,271
MAHER: So we have a crowd.
727
00:57:54,304 --> 00:57:57,041
We have a crowd
at our stand again, you know?
728
00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:01,846
Have you an interest
in environmental...
729
00:58:01,879 --> 00:58:03,814
A laptop made from
industrial waste?
730
00:58:03,848 --> 00:58:05,182
It's made from pallets.
731
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,822
We're getting lots
and lots of students
and younger people,
732
00:58:11,856 --> 00:58:13,858
and they all had
a huge interest.
733
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,364
Most of the people who've
come to us are stating it,
"Why can we not repair them?
734
00:58:20,397 --> 00:58:22,232
"Why can we not
replace a battery?
735
00:58:22,266 --> 00:58:24,669
"Why can we not
replace a hard drive?
736
00:58:24,702 --> 00:58:26,537
"Why does it only
last for three years?"
737
00:58:28,806 --> 00:58:32,610
I'm looking at it now,
it's one little step
at a time.
738
00:58:32,643 --> 00:58:35,112
But what we do need to do
is work harder,
739
00:58:35,145 --> 00:58:39,449
build more computers
and get people to join us.
740
00:58:51,161 --> 00:58:54,231
WILLIAMS: What do you do with
your old electronic devices
that you don't use anymore?
741
00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:56,433
Like, when you get
a new iPhone.
742
00:58:56,466 --> 00:59:00,437
At the moment, it's lying
somewhere in a closet.
743
00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:04,041
I believe it's in a drawer
in my desk at home.
744
00:59:04,074 --> 00:59:06,977
(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
745
00:59:09,179 --> 00:59:11,448
I'm hoping that someone's
out there recycling 'em,
746
00:59:11,481 --> 00:59:14,218
or they're being
fixed and reused.
747
00:59:14,251 --> 00:59:17,688
Part of the reason why I still
kept my old phone was...
748
00:59:17,722 --> 00:59:21,859
I really didn't know
what to do with it
749
00:59:21,892 --> 00:59:24,228
and I had no idea what
happens if I get rid of it.
750
00:59:28,132 --> 00:59:30,768
If we're at the right table.
This I know works.
751
00:59:30,801 --> 00:59:31,802
Fabulous.
752
00:59:33,804 --> 00:59:37,942
SMITH: For the first
20 years that I was
involved in electronics,
753
00:59:37,975 --> 00:59:40,344
the focus was on production.
754
00:59:40,377 --> 00:59:43,648
But as the industry
grew and expanded,
755
00:59:43,681 --> 00:59:46,751
I realized along with
a number of other people,
756
00:59:46,784 --> 00:59:50,821
that it was not only the
production-related hazards
that were a problem,
757
00:59:50,855 --> 00:59:54,825
it was what happened
to these products
as they became obsolete.
758
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:58,362
This industry
has grown so rapidly
759
00:59:58,395 --> 01:00:02,232
that it's becoming
much more of
a resource, a suck.
760
01:00:02,266 --> 01:00:04,835
It is just taking up
so many resources.
761
01:00:04,869 --> 01:00:07,872
We have to find ways
of reusing our devices.
762
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:18,849
DARRIN MAGEE: Americans
toss out a lot of gadgets
every day.
763
01:00:18,883 --> 01:00:22,419
If we look at
the three million or so
tons of electronic waste
764
01:00:22,452 --> 01:00:25,956
that gets generated
in the United States
every year,
765
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:30,227
probably 15% of that
gets recycled.
766
01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:37,034
And some percent of that
gets recycled in a
responsible fashion.
767
01:00:47,077 --> 01:00:48,112
MAGEE: Holy cow.
768
01:00:48,145 --> 01:00:51,448
DON CASS: Yeah, now this is
the way it all comes in.
769
01:00:51,481 --> 01:00:55,319
What you'll see now is
this line is doing
desktop computers.
770
01:00:55,352 --> 01:00:56,821
Yeah.
771
01:00:56,854 --> 01:00:59,990
Lisa's working on one
right now where she'll take...
772
01:01:00,024 --> 01:01:04,328
She'll take the whole
desktop computer,
take it down to the parts.
773
01:01:04,361 --> 01:01:07,364
So you see the parts
are in the boxes.
Mmm-hmm. Right.
774
01:01:07,397 --> 01:01:10,567
We've got wire,
plastics...
775
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:16,440
The value, you can see,
is going up 'cause now
these are the boards.
776
01:01:16,473 --> 01:01:19,076
Okay. So this is where
the potential
777
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:21,511
for a little bit of
money is right there.
778
01:01:21,545 --> 01:01:23,547
Right in here is
where the money is.
Okay.
779
01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:25,249
Is that gold?
In the... Gold, yes.
780
01:01:46,603 --> 01:01:50,107
MAGEE: We have
very little relationship
to our garbage here.
781
01:01:51,675 --> 01:01:53,610
We throw it away,
782
01:01:53,643 --> 01:01:55,813
and my point as
an environmental geographer,
is to say,
783
01:01:55,846 --> 01:01:57,547
"Where is 'away'?"
784
01:01:57,581 --> 01:01:59,349
"Away" is here for someone.
785
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:34,018
(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
786
01:05:14,211 --> 01:05:16,580
(XIA HUO SPEAKING)
787
01:05:52,616 --> 01:05:55,085
KIMBERLEY PRATHER:
We think, "Okay, we'll send
our e-waste to China.
788
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,687
"Let them burn it.
Let them have the pollution."
789
01:05:57,721 --> 01:05:59,289
But we have to remember
790
01:05:59,323 --> 01:06:03,027
that air pollution travels
around the globe.
791
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:07,731
That pollution's getting
lofted into the atmosphere
and coming right back to us.
792
01:06:10,067 --> 01:06:12,002
A metal is a metal
is a metal, you know.
793
01:06:12,036 --> 01:06:14,871
And there's no other form
for it to convert to.
794
01:06:14,904 --> 01:06:18,008
You can covert it from
being in the soil,
795
01:06:18,042 --> 01:06:20,344
to being in the water,
to being in the air...
796
01:06:20,377 --> 01:06:21,645
But you still have a metal.
797
01:06:26,783 --> 01:06:29,286
In our work,
we fly through clouds
798
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:32,789
and we sample
the cloud droplets...
799
01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:37,261
and we measure the chemistry
of each one very fast as
you're flying through a cloud.
800
01:06:38,662 --> 01:06:42,032
And they're flashing
as fast as you can imagine
on a screen,
801
01:06:42,066 --> 01:06:43,800
and we collect
that information.
802
01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:46,136
And what we get
is a chemical fingerprint.
803
01:06:47,671 --> 01:06:51,141
In California,
with the getting rid
of lead in gasoline,
804
01:06:51,175 --> 01:06:54,211
we've reduced the amount
of lead we have.
805
01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:56,413
And so when lead shows up
806
01:06:56,446 --> 01:06:58,348
that is one of the tracers
that we say,
807
01:06:58,382 --> 01:07:00,717
"Hmm. This could be
from elsewhere."
808
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:04,721
And we can trace it back
in time and say, you know,
809
01:07:04,754 --> 01:07:07,691
"Four days ago,
this air was over Asia."
810
01:07:14,164 --> 01:07:16,833
PRATHER: So,
let's look at this first.
This is amazing.
811
01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:18,935
How long has she
been doing this?
812
01:07:18,968 --> 01:07:20,970
The hit rate is really high.
813
01:07:21,004 --> 01:07:23,640
We look at what are called
"aerosol particles..."
814
01:07:23,673 --> 01:07:26,243
Little microscopic bits
of dust and soot
815
01:07:26,276 --> 01:07:28,512
that float around
in our atmosphere.
816
01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:30,814
And then we've been
using them to understanding
817
01:07:30,847 --> 01:07:32,949
how they affect
our climate
818
01:07:32,982 --> 01:07:35,485
and how they affect
the clouds and the weather.
819
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:37,521
(THUNDER RUMBLING)
820
01:07:42,826 --> 01:07:46,163
When you have more pollution,
and you have more aerosols...
821
01:07:46,196 --> 01:07:47,931
Those go into the cloud.
822
01:07:47,964 --> 01:07:53,270
And you have so many
that they can't get big enough
to fall and lead to rain.
823
01:07:54,971 --> 01:07:57,641
And it's giving you these
extremes of either
824
01:07:57,674 --> 01:07:59,943
not enough water in
some places
825
01:07:59,976 --> 01:08:02,646
and way too much water
in other places.
826
01:08:06,483 --> 01:08:09,153
What happens
if we push it too far?
827
01:08:09,186 --> 01:08:12,989
We'll start to see more
of these extreme events...
828
01:08:13,022 --> 01:08:15,459
Things like flooding
and hurricanes.
829
01:08:18,428 --> 01:08:21,298
These are what people often
refer to as "tipping points".
830
01:08:21,331 --> 01:08:24,834
And that's what we're very
concerned about happening.
831
01:08:34,678 --> 01:08:38,582
I think people take
for granted that the world
will always be here for us.
832
01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:41,618
It was somehow...
"It's ours and so
we can just use it up."
833
01:08:44,688 --> 01:08:49,259
I'd like to leave something
for my kids and their kids
to be able to enjoy,
834
01:08:49,293 --> 01:08:51,361
and I just see it
slipping away.
835
01:08:53,963 --> 01:08:57,234
We're responsible for taking
care of this planet...
836
01:08:57,267 --> 01:09:00,737
And we need to realize that
each individual is responsible
837
01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:03,106
in every choice
we make every day.
838
01:09:06,109 --> 01:09:09,613
WILLIAMS: My attachment
to my devices is
more complicated now.
839
01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:15,185
It's hard to get excited
about the next new model
or upgrade...
840
01:09:15,219 --> 01:09:17,421
Knowing what they
really cost to make.
841
01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:23,693
The industry,
842
01:09:23,727 --> 01:09:27,331
in its constant search for
cheaper workers and land,
843
01:09:27,364 --> 01:09:29,466
is moving on
to new countries
844
01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:32,302
with few government
safeguards or inspections.
845
01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:41,311
We all have a share
in this problem.
846
01:09:41,345 --> 01:09:44,681
But we can use our voices
and our buying power
847
01:09:44,714 --> 01:09:46,783
to demand real labor safety
848
01:09:46,816 --> 01:09:49,386
and greater
environmental protections.
849
01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:57,327
The digital revolution
has improved our lives
in so many ways.
850
01:09:57,361 --> 01:10:01,831
We need to make sure
it doesn't rob us of
our health and our planet.
851
01:10:40,504 --> 01:10:44,874
WILLIAMS: Do you feel like you
as a consumer have anything
you can do about this?
852
01:10:44,908 --> 01:10:49,045
I think consuming
not too often helps.
853
01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:52,115
I would upgrade less often.
854
01:10:52,148 --> 01:10:53,483
I would absolutely do that.
855
01:10:53,517 --> 01:10:55,852
I can put together
a petition to
856
01:10:55,885 --> 01:10:59,889
these companies and ask them
to be more responsible
in their work practices.
857
01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:05,161
WILLIAMS: Would you be
interested in buying
a green phone?
858
01:11:05,194 --> 01:11:06,863
Oh, a green device
would be great.
859
01:11:06,896 --> 01:11:10,400
I would pay actually more
for a green device.
860
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:16,205
Get rid of the iPad,
I'd pay for a green phone.
861
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:17,474
I would pay more for it.
862
01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:19,108
We already pay
more for stuff
863
01:11:19,142 --> 01:11:22,446
that we consider
organic or ethical.
We already do.
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