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How many of you,
put, have family
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or close friends with cancer
or have experienced cancer.
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Put up your hands.
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What about diabetes?
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How about infertility?
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Family or close friends.
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Now I want those of you who put
your hand up at least once
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to put it up again,
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for any of those questions,
and look around you.
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(music)
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today every third
person develops cancer.
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Who will it be?
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(Obama) Because if we want
to protect Americans from
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Ebola here at home, we
have to end it over there.
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H1N1,
SARS, MERS
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Universal health coverage is the
single most powerful concept
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that public health has to offer.
We will not let the people down.
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(radio static)
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(radio static)
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But after Fukushima,
I think, you can
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see that everyone
knows that there's
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a kind of official
and high level cover
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up and the WHO is
involved in it.
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The WHO's been criticised for
reacting too slowly to the
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outbreak, do you think any
of that criticism is fair?
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They don't have the money, they
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don't have the
capacity, they don't
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have the leadership, they don't
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have the courage
to say 'let's go'.
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I'm a filmmaker, I have a
daughter, it is important
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to me that she finds the
world in good condition.
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That is why I'm travelling to
the WHO headquarters in Geneva.
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The American journalist
Robert Parsons lives here.
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For 20 years now he's been
writing about the WHO.
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Until a few years ago,
every Monday, the
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opening day of the
World Health Assembly
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there was a sumptuous
reception at the
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WHO given by the
Director General
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that was the great
centrepiece where
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everybody met and talked.
It was a
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very good situation
for pulling everybody
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together in an informal setting.
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(music)
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Now, more than ever,
that sort of thing
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has been replaced by
a private reception.
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And they are organised
by industry.
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I'm particularly pleased to
have two ministers of health.
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And the industry spends a
lot of money, for them
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it's just part of the
cost of doing business.
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It's a way of making
direct contact
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with the people who
back in their home
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countries are making
decisions to formulate
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and implement public
health policy.
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It's extraordinarily
expensive, you
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can imagine it,
if you have 1,000
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people and you give
100 francs a person
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it's 100,000 francs
right there at least,
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just to feed people who
are already over-fed.
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There's no limit on
the champagne or the
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wine and it's always
very good wine.
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Straight through if you can.
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No you can't.
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(narrator) What a
promising start.
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But originally it must
have been about more.
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The suffering of
millions of human beings
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in scores of countries
will be alleviated
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and many, many thousands
of lives will be saved.
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(applause)
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WHO has positively
changed everything.
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Smallpox was completely
eradicated which was the
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first time ever that a
disease was wiped out.
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The world saves each year
1000 million dollars
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on vaccines and care
of the sick alone.
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According to Robert
Parsons, the WHO is
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infiltrated by the industry
from the very start.
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Here.
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This one's in English.
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This is in the San
Francisco examiner.
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Anyway, WHO was not
happy with my coverage
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because it made them
look less than good.
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Ever since the
1950s, studies have
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shown that smoking
damages health.
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But for decades the
WHO does little
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to oppose the tobacco industry.
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How often does your
job call you out
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of bed in the middle
of the night.
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Well if you were a
doctor it would be often
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and generally there isn't
much time to spare.
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Coffee doctor?
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Oh fine!
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Have a Camel with your coffee
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Thanks.
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You know, this night work's
kind of rough isn't it.
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That's right,
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but a Camel's always a pleasure.
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The majority of politicians
take no action
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against tobacco
advertising for decades.
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Nothing is done to check the
profits of the tobacco industry
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until charges are
brought against
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it by its victims and the USA.
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As late as 1994, heads
of the tobacco industry
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testified before the
American congress.
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Do you believe that
nicotine is not addictive?
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I believe that nicotine
is not addictive.
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I believe that nicotine
is not addictive.
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I believe that nicotine
is not addictive.
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The real issue is: Should
cigarettes be outlawed.
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Gradually the tobacco
companies are obliged
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to publish their
internal documents.
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These general requests
are getting very broad.
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No that's not broad at all Mr.
Campbell.
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Will you provide that
information to the committee?
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We're extremely concerned
about competitive activity...
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Yes or no Mr. Campbell?
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I will do my best, yes.
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Their strategies to combat
the WHO are made public.
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One example is the Boca Raton
action plan from the year 1988.
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Senior figures at Philip Morris
met in Florida and drew up a
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number of sophisticated
strategies
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to limit the power of the WHO.
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The first and most
important aim.
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This organisation
has extraordinary
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influence on government
and consumers
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and we must find a
way to diffuse this.
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The WHO gets under pressure.
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(speaking French)
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The evidence show that
tobacco companies had
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operated for many years
with the deliberate purpose
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of subverting the efforts
of WHO to control tobacco.
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(music)
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(applause)
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One of these
institutes is lead by
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the American lawyer
Paul Dietrich.
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Philip Morris finances
it with $240,000 a year.
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At the same time
Dietrich is a consultant
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for the WHO regional
office in America.
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When his double
role becomes known,
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Dietrich moves into
the finance industry.
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And we bought back
our own bonds, that
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money never went back
into the economy!
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He won't agree to talk to me.
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And the WHO report on the
strategies of the tobacco
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industry, 6 other
consultants are mentioned.
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The British toxicologist
Frank Sullivan
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for instance, claims
that passive smoking
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doesn't harm your health.
His study on the
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subject is financed
by Philip Morris.
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Hello, Frank Sullivan.
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Hello Mr Sullivan,
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oh (awkward laughter)
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Good to hear you.
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I tell you why I'm calling you.
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I came across the
tobacco scandal at
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WHO and there your
name is mentioned.
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(Sullivan) My name?!
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yes.
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Oh I didn't know that.
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(narrator) Were you
a WHO consultant?
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Yes I'm an (awkward stutter)
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Yeah, I am
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I, I, I'm a consultant
for WHO, and I also used
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to be a consultant in
the tobacco industry.
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There was a great long
form you had to fill
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in every time I went
to a meeting at WHO.
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(narrator) But did you
declare in those forms
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that you also consulted
tobacco industry?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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And it was no problem for WHO?
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No, no, no because (laughing)
it wasn't a big issue.
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From when till when were
where you a WHO consultant.
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Oh, I don't know when.
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Did you stop after the
tobacco scandal or not?
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No, no, no.
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(music)
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In the year 2000, Sullivan's
collaboration with the tobacco
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industry becomes public, but he
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still continues to
advise the WHO.
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I meet with two department
leaders combating
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tobacco under the
auspices of the WHO.
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We have a zero tolerance
approach as I
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said the Director
General says, the
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tobacco industry is
our number 1 enemy
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and we wear that
badge very proudly.
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(narrator) Is Frank Sullivan
still a WHO consultant.
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Absolutely not I mean...
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They can't because the
names of all those
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persons are well known
through the documents.
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But did Frank
Sullivan consult to
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WHO in for example
2002 let's say?
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Not that I'm aware of as
well too, and again the
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policies that are in place
now is that all consultants
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no matter whether
they're working in
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tobacco control or
infectious diseases
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or anywhere in the
organisation, have
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to sign a declaration
of interest.
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(narrator) But this
means a lot of trust.
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Don't you think they
should be reviewed?
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Trust I think that
you should trust
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until such a day you lack trust.
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You cannot just start by
already being suspicious
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about people and their
capacity to do things.
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That's good.
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Thank you so much.
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We are not alone during
the conversation,
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three WHO staff are
watching us and
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the press spokesman
conducts the person
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I'm interviewing with
silent gestures.
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I would like to
know about conflict
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of interest forms and I would
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like to see the conflict of
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interest forms of
Frank Sullivan.
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I just am able to refer
the question on to the
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necessary people because
that might be in the
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archive of the organisation
but in the role of
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the reference library
and that's what we do.
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My official enquiry about
Frank Sullivan's conflict of
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interest form is a dead end
despite countless phone calls.
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(music)
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The WHO and also Thomas Zeltner
they always say ok we had
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a problem and there was single
persons who were corrupt.
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This was Sullivan, Paul
Dietrich and so on.
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But I'm always doubting was it
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really single persons
and now it's
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over or could you
say that entire
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segments of WHO are corrupt?
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We have all the tobacco
company documents
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which show how major
corporations operate.
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And the pharmaceutical
companies or the chemical
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companies do not operate
any differently.
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Their obligation to their
shareholders completely
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overwhelms any consideration
of public health.
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So these are the people that
are involved in the H1N1 push.
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(tense music)
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Swine flu, or H1N1, is presented
by the WHO and in the
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public media as a huge threat.
Wrongly as it later emerges.
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(newsreader) We are in the
earliest days of the pandemic)
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(news reports playing
over each other)
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Do you remember swine flu?
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You were really frightened.
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The numbers are staggering.
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Well first of all, they
are estimated by the
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WHO to affect 2bn people
worldwide with H1N1.
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Joining us now from
Cibolo, Texas,
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Patrick and Robyn Henshaw. Their
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family has been hit hard by this
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Swine flu, good
morning to you both.
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Good morning.
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My administration's taken
several precautions to
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address the challenge posed
by the 2009 H1N1 flu virus.
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If you've been diagnosed
with probable or
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presumed 2009 H1N1 or Swine
flu in recent months,
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you may be surprised to know
this. The odds are you didn't
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have H1N1 flu. In fact you
probably didn't have flu at all.
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WHO is very happy to be taking
part in this hearing...
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(several people speaking
at the same time)
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But I've heard no reason why.
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Many countries
including Germany,
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Italy, France and Great Britain
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concluded secret agreements with
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pharmaceutical companies
before the Swine
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flu incident, which
obliged them to
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purchase Swine flu vaccinations.
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But only if the WHO issued
a pandemic level 6 alert.
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The world is now at the start
of the 2009 influenza pandemic.
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Swine flu makes
considerable profits
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for the manufacturers
of vaccines.
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In first quarter net profit,
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saving its Swine flu vaccine,
Lantes, for the gains.
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France's largest drug maker
said it's net profit in the
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quarter rose to 1.71bn euros,
that's 2.26bn US dollars.
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I tried to arrange an
interview with the
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person responsible for
Swine flu at the WHO,
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Keiji Fukuda,
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he was often on
television at the time.
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But I get an appointment with
the official press spokesman.
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11 countries,
officially reporting
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331 cases of influenza A
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H1N1 infection, with 10 deaths.
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Were you aware of the
contracts between
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pharmaceutical companies
and governments?
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You have to be aware of this.
Of course, you
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have to be aware of
everything that's going on.
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And it is extremely easy to
after the fact say, well maybe X
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should not have done Y, and
A should not have done B.
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However, think about
the opposite.
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What would have happened
if the influenza
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killed 50 percent of the people
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infected and there
was no vaccine.
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Then you and others would be
standing here today getting
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really mad at us for not having
made vaccine a possibility.
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Now in terms of an
overall assessment
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of the severity of what we are
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seeing, it's probably
fair to call the
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situation something
like moderate.
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At the time I am
pregnant and I avoid
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airports, crowds and
all forms of travel.
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Public media exaggerates
with words and
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images, the danger
resulting from swine flu.
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(music and ambulance siren)
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Could they have
declared the pandemic
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level 6 also with
the old definition?
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So this is er...
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This was removed
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before 2009, shortly
before H1N1.
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Of course, we would like to
have a vaccine tomorrow.
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We would have wanted to
have had it yesterday.
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In 2009, Miss Kieny
is a member of
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the WHO Swine flu working group.
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Previously she had
worked for the French
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pharmaceutical
company Transgene.
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The press spokesman doesn't
allow me to interview her,
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so I try to approach her
directly at a conference.
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I ask Miss Kieny why the
criteria of severity was
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deleted from the definition
of a pandemic phase.
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(music)
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The WHO working group on Swine
flu consists of 13 external
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consultants. Two of them
report conflicts of interest.
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Neil Ferguson declares
consultancy fees
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from GlaxoSmithKline,
Baxter and Roche,
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the manufacturers of
the swine flu vaccines
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and medications. Not a
problem for the WHO.
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In 2007, Albert Osterhaus
loses his voting right on the
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Dutch heath commission due to
his conflicts of interest.
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He declares to the WHO that he
has shares in the pharma company
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Viroclinics, which is suspected
of profiting from Swine flu.
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He also declares that he
is the chairman of ESWI,
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describing it as a group
of independent scientists.
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In fact it is partly financed
by vaccine manufacturers.
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Because I also did some
research about H1N1,
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could we also discuss
this a little bit later?
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Yeah?
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I can tell you there's no
scientific meeting today
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organised that is not being
sponsored by industry
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and rightly so.
Industry is making
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the vaccines, it's
not the national
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institutes that are
making the vaccines
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any longer, industry
is doing it.
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(narrator) I'm very curious, are
you still a WHO consultant?
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At the moment I'm working
more with the private sector
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as well so I'm still
consulting from time to time.
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(narrator) Are you still
working with this
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European Scientists
against Influenza?
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Yes, I'm the chair of that
particular organisation.
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(narrator) Because
I saw that you
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declared this as a
conflict of interest.
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No no it's not a conflict
of interest but I declare
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also what might be perceived
as a conflict of interest.
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No but you have to be
very careful there so at
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least if you say that,
people can hold it against
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you yeah but at least I
can always say and I have
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always done that. At least
you show what you do.
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(narrator) It was written there
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'independent group
of scientists', when
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I looked on the
website I saw it's
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funded by all the
vaccine producers.
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No no it's not funded by,
some money comes from
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vaccine producers but
there's money coming
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from many other sources
as well and that's the
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same with WHO and a lot
of other organisations.
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As long as you're
transparent and show
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what you're doing,
it's fine I think.
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(narrator) How is the
percentage of funding?
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I don't know exactly, but there
is a substantial part of
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the funding comes from
elsewhere. From meetings, comes
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from European projects, and
there is a percentage coming
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from industry as well and
that's completely transparent.
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It's fine to bring it up
again but for me it's over.
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I don't get any hard figures
from Mr. Osterhaus either.
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Without any facts,
without transparency,
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I can't make any progress here.
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What about the WHO?
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We didn't say anything
- No, no
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No, I wouldn't like you
to use what I just
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said but I'm happy to
say something else.
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Please don't approach
people with a camera.
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We have issues,
please don't do that.
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I ask and then it's fine?
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If you ask and you set up
the interview, that's ok.
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At the country level,
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I hear good news and
I hear bad news
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about engagement with
non state actors.
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We found out that there has
been a big lack of transparency
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with the pandemic alert
experienced in 2009.
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What did you do since then
to have more transparency
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concerning the decisions
done, concerning the staff,
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concerning the declarations
of conflicts of
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interest. How do you
want to improve this?
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I want to erm...
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agree with you. There
is no replacement
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of transparency and
accountability.
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And that's the only way to
hold people to account.
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But in order to do that, we must
recognise that in this 21st
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century, no government
can provide
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everything to their people.
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So you do need to work
with the industry.
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But work in a way that there is
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no room for conflict
of interest.
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(road noise and music)
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In the case of the
pharmaceutical
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industry, it's even
more difficult for
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the WHO to maintain
it's independence
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than with the tobacco industry.
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On the one hand the WHO
is dependent on the
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pharmaceutical
industries for research
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and medication. But the
industries financial
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interests mustn't
damage the WHO's
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activities in the
area of health.
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One thing is clear, today the
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pharmaceutical
industry is part of
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the health system, just like the
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governments that
control the WHO.
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(applause)
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Pfizer doesn't need a PR man,
they've got the Prime Minister!
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Secretary Clinton has a
number of super packs
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and in the last filing
period reported
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receiving 15 million
dollars from Wall Street.
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(booing)
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My whole life I've
been a business
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man. I've contributed
to most of them.
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I've given to
democrats, I've given
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to Hillary, I've
given to everybody!
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Because that was my job.
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I gotta give to them
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because when I want
something I get it.
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When I call...
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they kiss my ass.
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Ok, it's true, they kiss my ass.
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(cheering and applause)
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Politics are losing power.
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And that's also reflected in
the financing of the WHO.
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In the 1990s, all countries
froze their membership
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contributions in the wake
of the financial crisis,
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Desperate times do indeed
call for desperate measures.
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We are in a mess.
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The financial crisis hit the
world like a sudden jolt
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and it hit the world where
it hurts most... money.
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Today UN organisations,
foundations, NGOs and industry
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contribute almost 40 percent
of the WHO's annual budget.
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The second largest source
of finance right after
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the USA is the Bill and
Melinda Gates foundation.
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30 years ago, in starting
Microsoft we had a
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very ambitious vision: a
computer for everyone.
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Now I join you in seeking to
achieve an even more important
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vision which is good health
for every human being.
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Today the WHO
relies on voluntary
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contributions like that from
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the Gates foundation, but these
are often linked to conditions.
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Bill Gates declares,
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'our priorities are
your priorities',
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not the other way around.
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A Freudian slip?
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Our priorities are
your priorities.
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(applause)
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Today the WHO's annual budget
amounts to about 2bn dollars.
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Coca Cola spends twice that
much on advertising alone.
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And the hospitals around lake
Geneva spend 6bn dollars a year.
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When it was founded,
the WHO could decide
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how to distribute
it's funds itself.
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Now 70 percent of it's
budget is tied to
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particular projects,
countries or regions.
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If the WHO receives funding
to fight malaria for
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example, it can't use that
money to combat Ebola.
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(background chatter)
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The Ebola interim
assessment panel put it
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in
very precise words.
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In present WHO does not
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have the operational
capacity or culture to
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deliver a full emergency
public health response.
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(applause)
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(narrator) What
does the Director
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General of the WHO
think about that?
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I want to ask her what
constraints she is under.
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I need that!
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(laughing)
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Newspaper?
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No I'm doing a cinema
documentary, I'm a filmmaker.
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Ahh, ok, let's discuss the date.
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You don't want July, August?
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No August would
also be possible.
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July, August whatever,
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not so hectic.
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If that's better for you then
ok I will adapt my schedule.
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(music)
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Since I can't get to
speak to Margaret Chan,
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I meet one of her
close advisors.
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(music and ambient sounds)
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I think it's simply a
wrong perception to think
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there can be external
independent review.
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Because then you have to say who
is selecting this independent
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expert, and who is controlling
their independence
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and who is controlling
the independence
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of those controlling
the independence.
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There is no external entity
as such independent.
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Of course he's right,
but he's wrong.
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00:39:25,417 --> 00:39:28,504
- You know, he's mixing everything up because
- this world is as it is and you have to do
503
00:39:32,317 --> 00:39:35,486
what you can to make sure
that the independence
504
00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:37,667
of the science is as
good as possible.
505
00:39:37,723 --> 00:39:41,387
It will never ever be perfect,
he's quite right by that,
506
00:39:41,428 --> 00:39:45,016
but he should be talking about
his own. I mean he's from
507
00:39:45,057 --> 00:39:47,493
Switzerland, he came straight
from Switzerland which is a
508
00:39:47,534 --> 00:39:49,525
country that is
completely locked
509
00:39:49,566 --> 00:39:51,641
in to a partnership approach
510
00:39:51,921 --> 00:39:54,721
and he's in charge of
partnerships at WHO.
511
00:39:55,500 --> 00:40:00,500
So I know Gaudenz was very
keen that any countries could
512
00:40:00,547 --> 00:40:03,209
come in, as long as it was
transparent he didn't mind.
513
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:12,985
This is our
opposition to the non
514
00:40:13,026 --> 00:40:16,301
state actors thing as it is, ok?
515
00:40:16,368 --> 00:40:18,876
Namibia will be onside
with us isn't it?
516
00:40:18,919 --> 00:40:21,123
African groups
generally are worried
517
00:40:21,164 --> 00:40:23,282
about it. How many
people are in?
518
00:40:23,347 --> 00:40:24,413
Quite a few now.
519
00:40:25,186 --> 00:40:27,319
Yeah quite a few, that's enough.
520
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,548
What's going on with them?
521
00:40:32,588 --> 00:40:34,055
Next room
- Next room
522
00:40:34,555 --> 00:40:39,307
What's happening there is those
industrialised countries
523
00:40:39,355 --> 00:40:43,185
that would really like
to expand their markets
524
00:40:43,226 --> 00:40:47,907
into the developing world,
they are finding a way to
525
00:40:47,948 --> 00:40:52,716
let WHO allow these companies
in to influence policy.
526
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:56,421
(speaker) The world
in which the WHO
527
00:40:56,462 --> 00:40:58,765
operates today is
very different from
528
00:40:58,806 --> 00:41:01,273
the world in which
the organisation was
529
00:41:01,314 --> 00:41:03,533
established more
than 60 years ago.
530
00:41:06,512 --> 00:41:09,364
Member states are also
influenced by non state actors.
531
00:41:10,601 --> 00:41:12,573
But since they are our bosses,
532
00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:16,109
and they're sovereign member
states, if it's a private
533
00:41:16,167 --> 00:41:20,361
sector entity, if it's an
NGO or whoever influences
534
00:41:20,401 --> 00:41:22,914
them, as long as they make
it a national position,
535
00:41:22,955 --> 00:41:25,723
it's a national position
and we accept it as such.
536
00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,717
(music)
537
00:41:45,877 --> 00:41:49,517
(children playing)
538
00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:07,210
Professor Yamashita is
539
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:09,167
contributing to the
trivialisation
540
00:43:09,231 --> 00:43:12,399
of the risk of radioactive
contamination in public.
541
00:43:26,458 --> 00:43:29,000
Yamashita works
together with the WHO
542
00:43:29,057 --> 00:43:31,270
in cases of nuclear catastrophe.
543
00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:38,090
Is the WHO downplaying the
dangers of nuclear radiation?
544
00:43:38,396 --> 00:43:40,298
Is it for example,
keeping silent
545
00:43:40,375 --> 00:43:42,859
about a rise in thyroid cancer?
546
00:44:04,936 --> 00:44:06,928
There's a lot here
about Swine flu
547
00:44:06,975 --> 00:44:09,023
and almost nothing
about Fukushima.
548
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:10,798
I would like to talk
to the Director
549
00:44:10,839 --> 00:44:12,200
General about this in person.
550
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,958
Maybe you can help
me, how can I get
551
00:44:13,999 --> 00:44:15,619
an interview with Margaret Chan.
552
00:44:16,003 --> 00:44:17,116
(inaudible)
553
00:44:17,936 --> 00:44:18,936
Very difficult.
554
00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:22,417
I have to become friends
with you, ok I see.
555
00:44:22,457 --> 00:44:23,700
(man) She's very busy.
556
00:44:23,772 --> 00:44:26,147
I know I know, this
is why I'm asking.
557
00:44:26,187 --> 00:44:28,198
Can we get you someone else?
558
00:44:28,264 --> 00:44:29,064
No.
559
00:44:29,983 --> 00:44:32,962
Look, no one can promise
you interview with Dr
560
00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:36,108
Chan because she really
prefers others to speak.
561
00:44:36,667 --> 00:44:40,236
So there are some
circumstances where she
562
00:44:40,277 --> 00:44:43,208
does it but nothing
that can be guaranteed.
563
00:44:53,376 --> 00:44:56,534
(music)
564
00:45:15,127 --> 00:45:16,950
(children shouting)
565
00:45:17,914 --> 00:45:21,032
It's difficult to find anybody
who is allowed to talk.
566
00:45:21,208 --> 00:45:23,902
The mayor of Matsumoto,
Akira Sugenoya,
567
00:45:23,942 --> 00:45:26,199
is also a doctor and has
founded a convalescence
568
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,454
camp for children from
contaminated areas.
569
00:45:29,813 --> 00:45:32,443
Konichiwa!
570
00:46:30,131 --> 00:46:33,561
As a result of experience
after Chernobyl, the WHO
571
00:46:33,602 --> 00:46:36,839
recommendations for issuing
iodine were revised in the
572
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,710
year 1999 under the supervision
of the British scientist
573
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:44,208
Keith Baverstock, a member
of staff at the WHO.
574
00:46:45,348 --> 00:46:47,340
(music)
575
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:58,327
Thank you Mr. moderator for
that kind introduction, and
576
00:46:58,368 --> 00:47:02,221
thank you for the invitation
to come and present here.
577
00:47:02,461 --> 00:47:06,751
I guess I... Ok I
want to start this
578
00:47:06,792 --> 00:47:11,210
presentation by saying a
few words about lessons
579
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:14,362
learnt from a previous nuclear
power plant accident,
580
00:47:14,417 --> 00:47:18,112
namely the one in
Chernobyl in 1986.
581
00:47:21,042 --> 00:47:23,959
When I started my
programme with WHO,
582
00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:27,121
within a few weeks I learnt that
583
00:47:27,162 --> 00:47:29,029
there was a claim
that there was a
584
00:47:29,070 --> 00:47:31,092
large number of thyroid cancers
585
00:47:31,133 --> 00:47:37,011
in children and this ended up in
the mission to Minsk. We saw an
586
00:47:37,052 --> 00:47:39,435
astonishing number
of children who'd
587
00:47:39,476 --> 00:47:42,147
been operated for
thyroid cancer.
588
00:47:42,187 --> 00:47:45,158
Quite young children,
so to see as we did
589
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,697
on that day possibly
1 maybe 12 cases in
590
00:47:49,738 --> 00:47:52,783
one place at one time,
all having been
591
00:47:52,824 --> 00:47:55,355
operated was really
quite extraordinary.
592
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:58,847
We took it from there.
593
00:47:59,083 --> 00:48:01,958
And with our
Belarusian colleagues
594
00:48:02,341 --> 00:48:04,981
published two short
papers in the
595
00:48:05,022 --> 00:48:08,127
journal nature to
draw attention to it.
596
00:48:08,737 --> 00:48:12,609
After the papers were
published, WHO asked
597
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:16,071
me to withdraw the
paper from Nature.
598
00:48:16,735 --> 00:48:20,658
A paper published with
about 5 or 6 other
599
00:48:20,699 --> 00:48:25,158
people, all agreeing
on this position.
600
00:48:26,094 --> 00:48:29,538
And he asked me to withdraw
that paper from publication.
601
00:48:32,266 --> 00:48:33,659
After it had been published.
602
00:48:33,803 --> 00:48:36,465
Chrysler who worked at WHO
603
00:48:36,524 --> 00:48:39,569
Geneva, yes. He threatened me.
604
00:48:41,247 --> 00:48:42,847
How did he threaten you?
605
00:48:42,888 --> 00:48:43,888
With my career.
606
00:48:44,015 --> 00:48:47,157
He said your career will be
shortened if you don't do this.
607
00:48:48,310 --> 00:48:49,527
And was it shortened?
608
00:48:49,567 --> 00:48:50,367
No.
609
00:48:56,943 --> 00:49:00,139
I wonder why in Fukushima
area it wasn't distributed.
610
00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:01,344
I don't know.
611
00:49:01,898 --> 00:49:04,586
I don't know, they
should have given them.
612
00:49:04,996 --> 00:49:05,796
Yeah.
613
00:49:08,148 --> 00:49:10,215
They don't like to cause panic.
614
00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:39,042
Did you have any contact with
WHO after the TEPCO accident?
615
00:50:37,917 --> 00:50:41,875
I still find it beyond belief
that Naoto Kan was convinced at
616
00:50:41,918 --> 00:50:46,024
the time that no radioactivity
would emerge after the accident.
617
00:50:46,687 --> 00:50:49,752
Just one day after the
accident a monitoring
618
00:50:49,792 --> 00:50:52,209
station of the
organisation CTBTO
619
00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:54,782
recorded raised levels
of radioactivity
620
00:50:54,823 --> 00:50:57,901
200km from the nuclear
power station.
621
00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:04,855
(music)
622
00:52:51,707 --> 00:52:53,051
But who is right?
623
00:53:09,619 --> 00:53:11,773
(chanting)
624
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:39,346
(applause)
625
00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:44,879
What do you think
today about iodine
626
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,050
intake after nuclear accident?
627
00:53:47,491 --> 00:53:50,890
Well again it's more or less
what was said in the video.
628
00:53:51,934 --> 00:53:54,487
People are not taking
iodine as of the moment the
629
00:53:54,542 --> 00:53:57,334
Japanese authorities have no
said that should be done.
630
00:53:57,375 --> 00:54:00,667
They have distributed iodine
tablets, pre-positioned
631
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:04,125
them but have not yet asked
anyone to take them.
632
00:54:04,417 --> 00:54:09,000
Taking iodine tablets
in the absence of
633
00:54:09,217 --> 00:54:13,245
iodine radiation is
actually bad for you.
634
00:54:13,391 --> 00:54:18,249
You need to match iodine,
taking iodine to the exposure.
635
00:54:18,986 --> 00:54:22,863
I understand but, from today's
point of view was the
636
00:54:22,905 --> 00:54:27,220
exposure given at that time in
most affected areas or not?
637
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:30,433
You know, again, that's
almost 5 years ago and I
638
00:54:30,474 --> 00:54:32,855
can't remember the process
from day to day and
639
00:54:32,896 --> 00:54:36,742
certainly we would have
adapted our recommendations
640
00:54:36,783 --> 00:54:39,088
based on the information
we were getting.
641
00:54:41,315 --> 00:54:43,783
But there are these
guidelines and
642
00:54:43,824 --> 00:54:45,403
it's written in here you should
643
00:54:45,444 --> 00:54:50,174
take iodine within the first 6
hours after nuclear accident.
644
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:53,359
It's in here and it's also clear
645
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,947
that it was not
given in Fukushima,
646
00:54:56,363 --> 00:54:59,739
it's also a fact,
it's not something
647
00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:02,013
you have to look
up, it's obvious.
648
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:06,385
Ok.
649
00:55:09,358 --> 00:55:12,231
I really think you are wasting
your time on this topic.
650
00:55:12,706 --> 00:55:14,512
And that we should move
on to other topics
651
00:55:14,553 --> 00:55:16,129
because I only have
until 12 o'clock.
652
00:55:16,169 --> 00:55:17,725
Is it that you can't
say something
653
00:55:17,766 --> 00:55:19,941
critical about the
Japanese government?
654
00:55:22,542 --> 00:55:26,203
I... WHO, work on
the basis of facts
655
00:55:26,244 --> 00:55:28,073
and if I don't have the facts
656
00:55:28,114 --> 00:55:30,098
and the information
at my fingertips
657
00:55:30,139 --> 00:55:31,855
I am not going to speculate.
658
00:55:32,746 --> 00:55:35,627
Yeah, but in general
is it possible
659
00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:38,125
for WHO to criticise nations?
660
00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:42,239
I'm not going to say
anything more about
661
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,835
this, why should I
say anything more.
662
00:55:43,886 --> 00:55:47,086
No this was a general question,
not in relation to Fukushima.
663
00:55:47,611 --> 00:55:49,503
Well let's move on
to another topic.
664
00:55:49,586 --> 00:55:50,386
Ok.
665
00:55:55,055 --> 00:55:57,405
(music)
666
00:56:18,387 --> 00:56:20,044
(inaudible)
667
00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,439
Yeah yeah the speaker.
668
00:56:21,501 --> 00:56:24,126
Well I know what is
his role, not to
669
00:56:24,167 --> 00:56:27,042
answer anything, it's to around,
around, around, around...
670
00:56:28,042 --> 00:56:29,416
This is the problem. One of the
671
00:56:29,456 --> 00:56:33,598
serious problems of
WHO is the media
672
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:35,994
policing because
they are trying to
673
00:56:36,035 --> 00:56:38,583
avoid any conflict,
to avoid anything.
674
00:56:38,623 --> 00:56:41,623
So they are not talking openly
and transparently to the people.
675
00:56:41,802 --> 00:56:45,419
So what struck me was that your
676
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:48,585
questions are odd
and out of date.
677
00:57:03,254 --> 00:57:05,688
No it's a great organisation,
I'm the spokesperson
678
00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:08,163
for the organisation I do
this day in and day out.
679
00:57:09,663 --> 00:57:11,243
I love the job.
680
00:57:12,962 --> 00:57:18,110
Is it getting more difficult
now that WHO has lost trust?
681
00:57:20,415 --> 00:57:22,362
Who says WHO has lost trust?
682
00:57:23,154 --> 00:57:24,127
Is that you?
683
00:57:27,726 --> 00:57:29,992
(music)
684
00:58:01,747 --> 00:58:03,588
(road noise)
685
00:58:10,292 --> 00:58:12,917
I am Alison Katz,
I worked for the
686
00:58:12,959 --> 00:58:15,351
World Health
Organisation myself for
687
00:58:15,392 --> 00:58:21,630
18 years and since
I have left I have
688
00:58:21,671 --> 00:58:23,877
been involved in independent WHO
689
00:58:23,917 --> 00:58:25,893
which works in the area
of radiation and health
690
00:58:26,083 --> 00:58:27,740
and we have been in front of the
691
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:30,802
World Health Organisation
headquarters in Geneva for
692
00:58:30,843 --> 00:58:36,210
7 years now and it is a
permanent peaceful protest.
693
00:58:36,334 --> 00:58:39,373
So that the world understands
that somebody is witnessing
694
00:58:39,414 --> 00:58:44,585
the victims of radiation which
includes almost everybody.
695
00:58:44,636 --> 00:58:48,092
The Japanese people are
already talking and they
696
00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:50,877
are reporting very serious
health effects in
697
00:58:50,918 --> 00:58:55,180
children that the WHO
is ignoring. It's not
698
00:58:55,221 --> 00:58:58,980
talking about, doesn't
mention in it's report.
699
00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:00,475
You know.
700
00:59:01,308 --> 00:59:04,984
At the time of Chernobyl, the
people couldn't talk freely.
701
00:59:09,778 --> 00:59:12,362
(music)
702
00:59:43,107 --> 00:59:47,279
The New York Academy of Science
book, this one, comes up
703
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,792
with an estimate of 985,000
deaths, that is worldwide,
704
00:59:52,097 --> 00:59:57,046
between 1986 and 2004. And
of course that makes a
705
00:59:57,087 --> 01:00:00,627
dramatic contrast with what
the establishment says,
706
01:00:00,667 --> 01:00:03,036
which is still
around 50 deaths and
707
01:00:03,077 --> 01:00:08,186
possibly 4000 cancers
as a final total.
708
01:00:08,516 --> 01:00:13,240
The other major omission
is that the WHO has never
709
01:00:13,281 --> 01:00:17,357
considered anything except
cancer as a health effect.
710
01:00:55,374 --> 01:00:58,074
(speaking foreign language)
711
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:17,833
(aeroplane noise)
712
01:01:18,865 --> 01:01:21,406
Since January we know that
there are other diseases
713
01:01:21,449 --> 01:01:22,612
What other diseases?
714
01:01:22,653 --> 01:01:24,287
Unfortunately, um yeah...
715
01:01:24,327 --> 01:01:25,993
for example...
716
01:01:27,875 --> 01:01:31,705
Cardiovascular
diseases, infertility,
717
01:01:31,745 --> 01:01:34,297
thyroid diseases
other than cancer.
718
01:01:34,367 --> 01:01:36,544
There's a book, maybe
you heard about
719
01:01:36,585 --> 01:01:38,389
it, of the Academy of Science.
720
01:01:38,583 --> 01:01:40,625
Which was reputed by
the New York Academy
721
01:01:40,667 --> 01:01:42,709
of Sciences because
it's so unsound.
722
01:01:44,058 --> 01:01:45,815
But that's not true.
- Yes.
723
01:01:46,128 --> 01:01:49,255
If you read the statement
from the New York Academy
724
01:01:49,296 --> 01:01:53,707
of Sciences, in 2011 or 12
they repudiated the book.
725
01:01:53,747 --> 01:01:55,071
Let me give you this.
726
01:01:55,192 --> 01:01:56,882
This is from the
journal of radiology
727
01:01:56,923 --> 01:01:59,047
and it's a review of the New
728
01:01:59,088 --> 01:02:01,248
York Academy of
Science's book which
729
01:02:01,289 --> 01:02:03,214
talks about all the flaws in it.
730
01:02:03,268 --> 01:02:04,429
Ok, ok.
731
01:02:04,778 --> 01:02:06,863
So I should also
give you something.
732
01:02:06,922 --> 01:02:09,519
A book review by
independent WHO.
733
01:02:11,902 --> 01:02:13,672
Yeah
- Yeah
734
01:02:14,589 --> 01:02:17,054
Ok we read this and
then we meet again.
735
01:02:18,875 --> 01:02:20,855
(phone dialing)
736
01:02:29,594 --> 01:02:31,528
Hello, this is Lilian Franck.
737
01:02:31,633 --> 01:02:34,377
What does it mean exactly
that the New York
738
01:02:34,419 --> 01:02:37,474
Academy of Science repudiate
the Chernobyl book.
739
01:02:38,941 --> 01:02:40,353
The editor tells me that the
740
01:02:40,394 --> 01:02:42,478
Academy never
repudiated the book.
741
01:02:42,978 --> 01:02:45,229
He permits me to
record the phone call,
742
01:02:45,427 --> 01:02:47,774
but later he withdraws
his permission.
743
01:02:48,054 --> 01:02:50,259
Isn't he able to
speak freely either?
744
01:02:59,505 --> 01:03:02,295
When I try to confront
the WHO press spokesman
745
01:03:02,336 --> 01:03:05,066
with the statement, he
doesn't take my calls.
746
01:03:05,737 --> 01:03:07,295
So he doesn't take it.
747
01:03:08,265 --> 01:03:10,931
Do you wanna try with
my Italian number?
748
01:03:14,378 --> 01:03:15,882
Why not, thanks!
749
01:03:16,589 --> 01:03:18,069
Like mine? Ah yeah.
750
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:23,319
Hi Gregory, this is
Lilian, good to hear you.
751
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,883
The press spokesman refuses
to give me another interview.
752
01:03:25,923 --> 01:03:27,056
I'm good and you?
753
01:03:27,278 --> 01:03:29,727
He says he's spent enough
time with me already.
754
01:03:30,388 --> 01:03:31,988
I was wondering whether
755
01:03:32,290 --> 01:03:34,517
we could meet again for
another interview.
756
01:03:37,236 --> 01:03:38,256
No? Why not?!
757
01:03:42,451 --> 01:03:45,459
Perhaps the publisher of the
Chernobyl book can help me.
758
01:03:48,117 --> 01:03:49,246
(dialing tone)
759
01:03:50,296 --> 01:03:51,096
(Sherman) Good morning
760
01:03:51,546 --> 01:03:52,413
Good morning!
761
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,952
The original contact person at
the New York Academy of Sciences
762
01:03:57,429 --> 01:03:59,699
agreed to publish the book.
763
01:04:00,188 --> 01:04:03,359
And then there was
a big to-do at the
764
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,636
New York Academy
and they did not
765
01:04:06,166 --> 01:04:07,925
think was a good idea.
766
01:04:08,377 --> 01:04:11,075
And I suspect that they
were pressured by the
767
01:04:11,116 --> 01:04:13,696
nuclear industry but I
don't know for sure.
768
01:04:15,636 --> 01:04:17,574
(music)
769
01:04:19,457 --> 01:04:22,340
How big is the influence
of the nuclear industry?
770
01:04:44,383 --> 01:04:46,497
Here at home, nuclear
power is also an
771
01:04:46,538 --> 01:04:48,706
important part of our
own energy future.
772
01:04:49,458 --> 01:04:52,083
As you know I'm a big
believer in Nuclear power.
773
01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:55,930
(typing)
774
01:05:10,792 --> 01:05:14,542
The international Atomic
Energy Agency, IAEA,
775
01:05:14,614 --> 01:05:18,038
wants to promote the safe and
peaceful use of atomic energy.
776
01:05:19,737 --> 01:05:23,504
Nuclear power will remain an
important and viable option
777
01:05:23,545 --> 01:05:27,444
for many countries as a clean
and stable source of energy.
778
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,391
(muffled voices)
779
01:05:37,674 --> 01:05:40,029
The WHO is concerned
with health.
780
01:05:40,361 --> 01:05:42,099
These are different priorities
781
01:05:42,459 --> 01:05:45,472
but the two organisations are
working closely together.
782
01:05:50,713 --> 01:05:54,043
For example, together with other
UN organisations they are
783
01:05:54,084 --> 01:05:55,809
compiling a report about the
784
01:05:55,850 --> 01:05:57,870
health consequences
of Chernobyl.
785
01:06:03,924 --> 01:06:10,549
I'm a critic of WHO and they
tended not to invite critics
786
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,894
for their two reports, one on
health one on the environment.
787
01:06:15,542 --> 01:06:17,418
What kind of people are these?
788
01:06:17,833 --> 01:06:20,355
Do you know some of them or?
789
01:06:20,656 --> 01:06:22,437
Yes I know most of them.
790
01:06:24,734 --> 01:06:26,324
There's certainly a good bunch.
791
01:06:26,691 --> 01:06:28,480
But the trouble is that they are
792
01:06:29,208 --> 01:06:35,708
outweighed by the
scientists from IAEA.
793
01:06:36,917 --> 01:06:38,167
And erm...
794
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:41,424
because they're the
ones who ruled
795
01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:44,369
the roost, who
dictated the agenda.
796
01:06:44,902 --> 01:06:46,661
The thing was that
there would be a
797
01:06:46,702 --> 01:06:48,495
whole series of
informal meetings
798
01:06:48,542 --> 01:06:53,197
going on between WHO
and IAEI at quite
799
01:06:53,237 --> 01:06:55,720
senior levels, very
senior levels.
800
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:02,067
And they would predetermine
what line they would take.
801
01:07:02,875 --> 01:07:07,475
That's why they had a
WHO / IAEI meeting
802
01:07:07,515 --> 01:07:11,450
in Vienna in 2005,
in October 2005
803
01:07:12,110 --> 01:07:14,144
To put the line
across, this is it,
804
01:07:14,185 --> 01:07:15,483
this is what we're going to do.
805
01:07:16,375 --> 01:07:20,333
The trouble was that many, many
people came opposed to all this.
806
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,708
(music)
807
01:07:28,292 --> 01:07:32,162
Maria Neira works at the WHO.
She is responsible
808
01:07:32,202 --> 01:07:34,865
for the risks of
radioactive contamination.
809
01:07:35,179 --> 01:07:37,339
I deliberately make an
appointment to see her in
810
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:40,475
Paris. The press department
won't get in the way here.
811
01:07:40,755 --> 01:07:43,338
To make sure she agrees to
see me, I don't tell her
812
01:07:43,379 --> 01:07:45,712
what I want to talk about
until we first meet.
813
01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,737
(Neira) It's like
Chernobyl, there is a book
814
01:07:48,777 --> 01:07:51,376
saying that there have
been 1 million deaths that
815
01:07:51,417 --> 01:07:54,139
the WHO is hiding, how
can you have 1 million
816
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:58,428
deaths, come on. Seriously,
1 million deaths.
817
01:07:59,169 --> 01:08:02,505
And then the humanity will
not, I mean 1 million.
818
01:08:04,027 --> 01:08:06,424
Yeah but this is because
they were looking
819
01:08:06,465 --> 01:08:08,973
at the broader part of
the world population.
820
01:08:09,016 --> 01:08:10,897
Yeah but 1 million
deaths, you think
821
01:08:10,938 --> 01:08:12,944
that you can hide
1 million deaths?
822
01:08:13,796 --> 01:08:15,162
Yeah but do you seriously think
823
01:08:15,202 --> 01:08:17,144
Which records, do you
have mortality records?
824
01:08:17,542 --> 01:08:20,079
How can you seriously
believe that
825
01:08:20,121 --> 01:08:22,802
Chernobyl accident
caused 50 deaths.
826
01:08:22,915 --> 01:08:23,886
No we didn't say that.
827
01:08:24,102 --> 01:08:26,708
But it's still on
the WHO website!
828
01:08:30,473 --> 01:08:32,203
(music)
829
01:08:35,581 --> 01:08:37,947
So we wrote the other report
830
01:08:39,425 --> 01:08:42,513
and the initials are
TORCH which is torch.
831
01:08:43,492 --> 01:08:46,682
We said right away that
we expected somewhere
832
01:08:46,723 --> 01:08:50,622
between 30 and 60,000
altogether worldwide
833
01:08:51,214 --> 01:08:52,014
future deaths.
834
01:08:52,650 --> 01:08:55,761
Because the plume from Chernobyl
went right round the world.
835
01:08:57,125 --> 01:08:58,375
The northern hemisphere.
836
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,208
And whilst the
concentrations were low,
837
01:09:01,250 --> 01:09:03,916
far, far away, it doesn't matter
838
01:09:03,958 --> 01:09:06,500
because there were many,
many millions of people.
839
01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:10,375
There are 600 million
people in Europe alone
840
01:09:11,310 --> 01:09:12,377
and they were all affected.
841
01:09:59,972 --> 01:10:02,020
Politicians who
do not learn from
842
01:10:02,061 --> 01:10:05,321
history are doomed to repeat it.
843
01:10:35,448 --> 01:10:39,977
The purpose of this report
was looking at the exposure
844
01:10:40,018 --> 01:10:42,918
and the doses to which
people have been exposed.
845
01:10:43,082 --> 01:10:45,619
What is the risk
that we can expect
846
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,032
and I think this is more human
847
01:10:48,134 --> 01:10:52,144
than trying to predict how many
people will die from cancer.
848
01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:56,222
The other reason why we were
not using cancer mortality
849
01:10:56,263 --> 01:10:59,799
figures but rather incidents
is because as you know
850
01:10:59,986 --> 01:11:03,127
most of the cancers can
now be treated and
851
01:11:03,167 --> 01:11:05,709
therefore there was no
mortality associated.
852
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,208
I don't know whether you
have noticed but our
853
01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:11,774
health risk assessment is
only with the log of WHO.
854
01:11:11,833 --> 01:11:15,791
But I mean if once heard of
the experts belonged to IAEA.
855
01:11:15,905 --> 01:11:18,793
This is kind of anticipating
that those experts
856
01:11:18,833 --> 01:11:21,916
from IAEA are not on
the best of their
857
01:11:21,957 --> 01:11:24,115
science, which is the
case, I don't think
858
01:11:24,156 --> 01:11:26,340
they were there to
represent any interest.
859
01:11:26,380 --> 01:11:28,123
I mean it was criticised
that there was
860
01:11:28,167 --> 01:11:31,877
no oncologist or
no radiobiologist
861
01:11:31,917 --> 01:11:34,377
also no scientist who
published critical
862
01:11:34,418 --> 01:11:37,382
articles on health effect
of nuclear energy.
863
01:11:37,608 --> 01:11:39,996
But when you need
to do a scientific
864
01:11:40,037 --> 01:11:41,996
report, it's not a question of
865
01:11:42,037 --> 01:11:44,295
bringing an activist
from the left
866
01:11:44,336 --> 01:11:46,852
wing, an activist
from the right wing.
867
01:11:46,928 --> 01:11:48,456
It's a question of science.
868
01:11:48,728 --> 01:11:50,841
What's happened is that there
are groups outside that
869
01:11:50,882 --> 01:11:54,843
they want to use those accidents
to say you see nuclear
870
01:11:54,884 --> 01:11:59,982
energy is bad, is dangerous,
why we don't stop the
871
01:12:00,023 --> 01:12:02,810
use of nuclear energy, which
is a different cause.
872
01:12:02,875 --> 01:12:04,511
Do you think it could
also be the other
873
01:12:04,552 --> 01:12:06,794
way round, that
nuclear industry...
874
01:12:08,567 --> 01:12:12,996
tries to not to tell the whole
truth about the health impacts.
875
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,859
Absolutely, I have
no doubt for sure.
876
01:12:26,414 --> 01:12:28,381
(ambient sounds)
877
01:13:30,170 --> 01:13:32,229
(eerie sound)
878
01:13:49,275 --> 01:13:51,377
Of course we are not
perfect but we are there
879
01:13:51,418 --> 01:13:54,752
and we are doing the
best we can and with
880
01:13:54,792 --> 01:13:57,875
the support of everybody
who recognises that
881
01:13:57,945 --> 01:14:00,906
there is a need for a
global public health
882
01:14:02,406 --> 01:14:06,130
very heavy institution, heavy
in the good sense, with weight,
883
01:14:06,535 --> 01:14:09,292
institution, powerful
institution,
884
01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:11,297
it will be the best
for all of us.
885
01:14:11,953 --> 01:14:15,059
And I will fight for
that for the rest of
886
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:18,401
my life. I'm a convinced
public health
887
01:14:18,442 --> 01:14:20,869
officer and I think
my record accredits
888
01:14:20,910 --> 01:14:24,069
that if we need to
fight, I am not afraid.
889
01:15:11,328 --> 01:15:14,650
A scientist in the United
States this past spring
890
01:15:14,691 --> 01:15:18,277
made the observation that
this generation of children
891
01:15:19,558 --> 01:15:23,784
is the first generation
in modern history that
892
01:15:23,825 --> 01:15:26,542
is not going to be as
healthy as their parents.
893
01:15:29,455 --> 01:15:30,722
That should not be.
894
01:15:35,096 --> 01:15:37,151
What do I do with
this knowledge now?
895
01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:39,444
Go out on the streets
together with
896
01:15:39,485 --> 01:15:41,809
independent WHO, or
just go home again?
897
01:15:42,673 --> 01:15:45,002
First I have to speak to
the Director General.
898
01:15:45,577 --> 01:15:47,029
(dialing tone)
899
01:15:50,170 --> 01:15:51,772
I was talking to
Margaret Chan for an
900
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:55,479
interview during World
Health Assembly.
901
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,771
She said yes she would
like to give it
902
01:15:57,812 --> 01:16:00,570
but I didn't get
any answer so far.
903
01:16:00,610 --> 01:16:05,358
I'm just concerned about WHO
and it's image in the film.
904
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:09,454
It's really important that I
could talk to Margaret Chan.
905
01:16:10,332 --> 01:16:13,340
You know I'm very flexible, it
doesn't have to take long time.
906
01:16:13,381 --> 01:16:14,802
(voice on phone) It's
not about time it's
907
01:16:14,843 --> 01:16:17,016
about her physically
being in the office.
908
01:16:18,172 --> 01:16:19,943
Hello, this is Lilian.
909
01:16:20,092 --> 01:16:22,596
Do you think we can do
the interview tomorrow?
910
01:16:22,915 --> 01:16:24,461
(man on phone) Mm probably not.
911
01:16:26,827 --> 01:16:28,894
(ambient sounds and soft music)
912
01:16:29,812 --> 01:16:33,356
The queue for demands
for her is so long
913
01:16:33,397 --> 01:16:35,585
that you'd be waiting
another 5 years.
914
01:16:37,821 --> 01:16:39,280
(soft music)
915
01:16:54,703 --> 01:16:56,036
Am I at the end now?
916
01:16:56,773 --> 01:16:58,240
Is there any real end?
917
01:16:59,172 --> 01:17:00,839
Margaret Chan carries on.
918
01:17:03,925 --> 01:17:06,789
But I don't know I mean
she is very patient to
919
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:09,607
stay there because in
my place I was goodbye.
920
01:17:09,647 --> 01:17:11,575
You are destroying, this
is your business, you
921
01:17:11,616 --> 01:17:13,775
are... the organisation,
I'm not going to help.
922
01:17:14,261 --> 01:17:16,278
And probably at
one point she has
923
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,374
to realise that she is helping
924
01:17:18,415 --> 01:17:23,006
and serving the interest of the
people giving funds to WHO.
925
01:17:54,157 --> 01:17:55,970
(music)
926
01:17:57,155 --> 01:18:01,766
So last summer, an editor
from the WHO's official
927
01:18:02,282 --> 01:18:05,592
journal world health
bulletin invited me to write
928
01:18:05,633 --> 01:18:10,163
an editorial on psychological
impact of the Fukushima
929
01:18:10,204 --> 01:18:13,903
accident on evacuees and
I agreed to do that.
930
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:15,985
It was rejected on
the grounds that
931
01:18:16,026 --> 01:18:22,092
it contained criticism
of WHO and the
932
01:18:22,242 --> 01:18:26,215
Japanese authorities.
Well of course it
933
01:18:26,256 --> 01:18:30,258
did. I mean there
were things wrong.
934
01:18:34,679 --> 01:18:39,431
I think the editors words were:
'the world health bulletin will
935
01:18:39,472 --> 01:18:43,851
not be a platform for such
criticism, no matter how valid'.
936
01:18:45,831 --> 01:18:48,458
(music)
937
01:18:49,315 --> 01:18:51,698
So this year will
you go to the World
938
01:18:51,738 --> 01:18:53,995
health assembly to
the UN building?
939
01:18:54,036 --> 01:18:54,722
No.
940
01:18:54,762 --> 01:18:56,048
I'm still not allowed in.
941
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:57,479
Why?
942
01:18:57,519 --> 01:19:01,250
Because apparently I asked
too many disobliging
943
01:19:01,291 --> 01:19:03,868
questions, they won't
renew my accreditation.
944
01:19:07,131 --> 01:19:08,498
I've annoyed people.
945
01:19:10,055 --> 01:19:11,337
And I have written about things
946
01:19:11,378 --> 01:19:12,974
they don't want me
to write about.
947
01:19:15,198 --> 01:19:16,753
(music)
948
01:19:20,521 --> 01:19:22,875
Why did you stop working at WHO?
949
01:19:22,915 --> 01:19:23,916
I was fired.
950
01:19:24,542 --> 01:19:30,176
I was a staff association
representative and we organised
951
01:19:30,216 --> 01:19:36,263
the first, it wasn't even a
strike it was a go-slow in 2005
952
01:19:36,667 --> 01:19:40,292
and it was to protest against
the levels of corruption
953
01:19:40,344 --> 01:19:44,812
in WHO. Nepotism, mainly
nepotism. Corruption.
954
01:19:47,927 --> 01:19:49,915
And of course they
were absolutely
955
01:19:49,956 --> 01:19:52,566
horrified, so it was a huge
956
01:19:52,628 --> 01:19:57,064
success, but three weeks after
that, my post was abolished.
957
01:20:17,843 --> 01:20:21,139
Right, it's over to
you folks, who'd
958
01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:23,863
like to start the
round of questions?
959
01:20:25,292 --> 01:20:27,041
Is it on? Can you hear me?
960
01:20:27,081 --> 01:20:27,876
Yeah, ok.
961
01:20:28,167 --> 01:20:29,750
Lilian Franck, OVALmedia.
962
01:20:29,829 --> 01:20:34,922
It's a question to Dr. Chan.
We just learnt that refugee
963
01:20:34,963 --> 01:20:40,413
health and climate change are
huge global health challenges.
964
01:20:40,566 --> 01:20:42,694
But I'm asking myself
how can we meet
965
01:20:42,735 --> 01:20:46,331
them if WHO is
constantly losing power.
966
01:20:46,767 --> 01:20:51,429
Important donor nations,
they want a weak WHO, one
967
01:20:51,471 --> 01:20:55,766
could even compare WHO
to Titanic I would say.
968
01:20:56,070 --> 01:21:01,225
So isn't it your
responsibility Dr. Chan
969
01:21:01,429 --> 01:21:03,871
to step down before the
end of your second
970
01:21:03,912 --> 01:21:07,091
term in order to signal
to the world that
971
01:21:07,132 --> 01:21:10,158
your organisation,
you ship is sinking.
972
01:21:13,766 --> 01:21:15,766
You ask an excellent question.
973
01:21:16,782 --> 01:21:17,787
If I tell you
974
01:21:18,448 --> 01:21:21,745
WHO as an organisation,
only 30 percent
975
01:21:21,786 --> 01:21:25,634
of my budget is
predictable funds.
976
01:21:26,355 --> 01:21:29,749
Other 70 percent I
have to take a hat and
977
01:21:29,790 --> 01:21:32,572
go around to world
to beg for money.
978
01:21:33,476 --> 01:21:36,651
And when they give us the
money they are highly
979
01:21:36,692 --> 01:21:40,302
linked to their preferences,
what they like.
980
01:21:40,708 --> 01:21:44,833
It may not be the priority
of WHO so if we do not solve
981
01:21:44,875 --> 01:21:52,167
this, you know, we are not going
to be as great as we were.
982
01:21:56,131 --> 01:21:57,595
(music)
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