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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:13,042 --> 00:00:15,792 (faint ambient sounds) 4 00:00:22,042 --> 00:00:25,875 (faint sound of children playing) 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,292 How many of you, put, have family 6 00:00:35,333 --> 00:00:38,708 or close friends with cancer or have experienced cancer. 7 00:00:38,750 --> 00:00:39,958 Put up your hands. 8 00:00:42,583 --> 00:00:44,416 What about diabetes? 9 00:00:45,917 --> 00:00:47,375 How about infertility? 10 00:00:47,875 --> 00:00:49,458 Family or close friends. 11 00:00:50,042 --> 00:00:53,917 Now I want those of you who put your hand up at least once 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,417 to put it up again, 13 00:00:56,667 --> 00:00:59,875 for any of those questions, and look around you. 14 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:06,625 (music) 15 00:01:10,917 --> 00:01:13,667 today every third person develops cancer. 16 00:01:14,518 --> 00:01:15,580 Who will it be? 17 00:01:55,461 --> 00:01:57,668 (Obama) Because if we want to protect Americans from 18 00:01:57,708 --> 00:02:00,750 Ebola here at home, we have to end it over there. 19 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:04,708 H1N1, SARS, MERS 20 00:02:20,827 --> 00:02:24,733 Universal health coverage is the single most powerful concept 21 00:02:24,774 --> 00:02:30,122 that public health has to offer. We will not let the people down. 22 00:02:39,427 --> 00:02:41,388 (radio static) 23 00:03:02,447 --> 00:03:03,884 (radio static) 24 00:03:04,583 --> 00:03:07,444 But after Fukushima, I think, you can 25 00:03:07,484 --> 00:03:10,247 see that everyone knows that there's 26 00:03:10,288 --> 00:03:13,755 a kind of official and high level cover 27 00:03:13,796 --> 00:03:16,742 up and the WHO is involved in it. 28 00:03:20,417 --> 00:03:23,959 The WHO's been criticised for reacting too slowly to the 29 00:03:24,007 --> 00:03:26,935 outbreak, do you think any of that criticism is fair? 30 00:03:28,623 --> 00:03:30,071 They don't have the money, they 31 00:03:30,112 --> 00:03:31,800 don't have the capacity, they don't 32 00:03:31,841 --> 00:03:33,167 have the leadership, they don't 33 00:03:33,208 --> 00:03:35,140 have the courage to say 'let's go'. 34 00:03:52,767 --> 00:03:56,864 I'm a filmmaker, I have a daughter, it is important 35 00:03:56,905 --> 00:03:59,655 to me that she finds the world in good condition. 36 00:04:00,167 --> 00:04:04,250 That is why I'm travelling to the WHO headquarters in Geneva. 37 00:04:04,722 --> 00:04:07,765 The American journalist Robert Parsons lives here. 38 00:04:07,806 --> 00:04:11,082 For 20 years now he's been writing about the WHO. 39 00:04:11,582 --> 00:04:16,345 Until a few years ago, every Monday, the 40 00:04:16,386 --> 00:04:18,501 opening day of the World Health Assembly 41 00:04:18,542 --> 00:04:20,808 there was a sumptuous reception at the 42 00:04:20,849 --> 00:04:23,542 WHO given by the Director General 43 00:04:23,583 --> 00:04:26,000 that was the great centrepiece where 44 00:04:26,049 --> 00:04:28,296 everybody met and talked. It was a 45 00:04:28,337 --> 00:04:31,535 very good situation for pulling everybody 46 00:04:31,576 --> 00:04:34,088 together in an informal setting. 47 00:04:35,752 --> 00:04:37,970 (music) 48 00:04:40,252 --> 00:04:44,013 Now, more than ever, that sort of thing 49 00:04:44,054 --> 00:04:46,624 has been replaced by a private reception. 50 00:04:46,695 --> 00:04:49,840 And they are organised by industry. 51 00:04:50,583 --> 00:04:54,238 I'm particularly pleased to have two ministers of health. 52 00:04:54,278 --> 00:04:57,018 And the industry spends a lot of money, for them 53 00:04:57,059 --> 00:04:59,627 it's just part of the cost of doing business. 54 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:03,509 It's a way of making direct contact 55 00:05:03,550 --> 00:05:05,797 with the people who back in their home 56 00:05:05,838 --> 00:05:08,805 countries are making decisions to formulate 57 00:05:08,846 --> 00:05:11,469 and implement public health policy. 58 00:05:15,913 --> 00:05:17,841 It's extraordinarily expensive, you 59 00:05:17,882 --> 00:05:19,662 can imagine it, if you have 1,000 60 00:05:19,703 --> 00:05:22,370 people and you give 100 francs a person 61 00:05:22,411 --> 00:05:25,210 it's 100,000 francs right there at least, 62 00:05:25,483 --> 00:05:28,483 just to feed people who are already over-fed. 63 00:05:31,584 --> 00:05:34,282 There's no limit on the champagne or the 64 00:05:34,324 --> 00:05:36,957 wine and it's always very good wine. 65 00:05:37,973 --> 00:05:39,800 Straight through if you can. 66 00:05:39,903 --> 00:05:40,886 No you can't. 67 00:05:41,465 --> 00:05:43,504 (narrator) What a promising start. 68 00:05:43,887 --> 00:05:46,665 But originally it must have been about more. 69 00:05:49,721 --> 00:05:52,233 The suffering of millions of human beings 70 00:05:52,274 --> 00:05:54,844 in scores of countries will be alleviated 71 00:05:54,917 --> 00:05:58,042 and many, many thousands of lives will be saved. 72 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:00,334 (applause) 73 00:06:09,186 --> 00:06:11,585 WHO has positively changed everything. 74 00:06:11,625 --> 00:06:14,493 Smallpox was completely eradicated which was the 75 00:06:14,533 --> 00:06:17,082 first time ever that a disease was wiped out. 76 00:06:17,122 --> 00:06:19,755 The world saves each year 1000 million dollars 77 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:22,752 on vaccines and care of the sick alone. 78 00:06:24,409 --> 00:06:26,933 According to Robert Parsons, the WHO is 79 00:06:26,974 --> 00:06:30,064 infiltrated by the industry from the very start. 80 00:06:30,141 --> 00:06:31,031 Here. 81 00:06:31,923 --> 00:06:33,389 This one's in English. 82 00:06:34,016 --> 00:06:36,550 This is in the San Francisco examiner. 83 00:06:36,641 --> 00:06:39,623 Anyway, WHO was not happy with my coverage 84 00:06:39,664 --> 00:06:43,132 because it made them look less than good. 85 00:06:46,584 --> 00:06:48,577 (music) 86 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:52,342 Ever since the 1950s, studies have 87 00:06:52,383 --> 00:06:54,382 shown that smoking damages health. 88 00:06:54,817 --> 00:06:57,182 But for decades the WHO does little 89 00:06:57,223 --> 00:06:59,324 to oppose the tobacco industry. 90 00:07:00,221 --> 00:07:01,791 (music) 91 00:07:09,586 --> 00:07:11,457 How often does your job call you out 92 00:07:11,497 --> 00:07:13,266 of bed in the middle of the night. 93 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:16,367 Well if you were a doctor it would be often 94 00:07:16,408 --> 00:07:19,143 and generally there isn't much time to spare. 95 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,649 Coffee doctor? 96 00:07:21,689 --> 00:07:23,079 Oh fine! 97 00:07:23,158 --> 00:07:25,091 Have a Camel with your coffee 98 00:07:25,275 --> 00:07:26,075 Thanks. 99 00:07:28,251 --> 00:07:30,875 You know, this night work's kind of rough isn't it. 100 00:07:30,915 --> 00:07:31,782 That's right, 101 00:07:32,173 --> 00:07:34,124 but a Camel's always a pleasure. 102 00:07:34,179 --> 00:07:36,637 The majority of politicians take no action 103 00:07:36,678 --> 00:07:39,021 against tobacco advertising for decades. 104 00:07:43,895 --> 00:07:47,422 Nothing is done to check the profits of the tobacco industry 105 00:07:47,463 --> 00:07:49,216 until charges are brought against 106 00:07:49,257 --> 00:07:51,422 it by its victims and the USA. 107 00:07:51,675 --> 00:07:54,772 As late as 1994, heads of the tobacco industry 108 00:07:54,813 --> 00:07:57,408 testified before the American congress. 109 00:07:57,485 --> 00:07:59,469 Do you believe that nicotine is not addictive? 110 00:07:59,907 --> 00:08:01,888 I believe that nicotine is not addictive. 111 00:08:01,998 --> 00:08:04,513 I believe that nicotine is not addictive. 112 00:08:05,634 --> 00:08:08,117 I believe that nicotine is not addictive. 113 00:08:08,157 --> 00:08:12,993 The real issue is: Should cigarettes be outlawed. 114 00:08:13,048 --> 00:08:15,337 Gradually the tobacco companies are obliged 115 00:08:15,378 --> 00:08:17,300 to publish their internal documents. 116 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:20,543 These general requests are getting very broad. 117 00:08:21,208 --> 00:08:23,840 No that's not broad at all Mr. Campbell. 118 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,064 Will you provide that information to the committee? 119 00:08:27,472 --> 00:08:31,024 We're extremely concerned about competitive activity... 120 00:08:31,251 --> 00:08:33,500 Yes or no Mr. Campbell? 121 00:08:33,540 --> 00:08:35,073 I will do my best, yes. 122 00:08:36,126 --> 00:08:39,693 Their strategies to combat the WHO are made public. 123 00:08:40,083 --> 00:08:44,250 One example is the Boca Raton action plan from the year 1988. 124 00:08:44,585 --> 00:08:47,883 Senior figures at Philip Morris met in Florida and drew up a 125 00:08:47,924 --> 00:08:49,725 number of sophisticated strategies 126 00:08:49,766 --> 00:08:52,088 to limit the power of the WHO. 127 00:08:52,149 --> 00:08:54,107 The first and most important aim. 128 00:08:54,167 --> 00:08:56,125 This organisation has extraordinary 129 00:08:56,167 --> 00:08:58,377 influence on government and consumers 130 00:08:58,417 --> 00:09:00,709 and we must find a way to diffuse this. 131 00:09:02,458 --> 00:09:04,583 The WHO gets under pressure. 132 00:09:08,050 --> 00:09:10,730 (speaking French) 133 00:09:13,816 --> 00:09:18,902 The evidence show that tobacco companies had 134 00:09:18,943 --> 00:09:24,103 operated for many years with the deliberate purpose 135 00:09:24,158 --> 00:09:29,171 of subverting the efforts of WHO to control tobacco. 136 00:09:32,202 --> 00:09:34,655 (music) 137 00:09:59,221 --> 00:10:01,252 (applause) 138 00:10:47,948 --> 00:10:49,993 One of these institutes is lead by 139 00:10:50,034 --> 00:10:51,861 the American lawyer Paul Dietrich. 140 00:10:51,947 --> 00:10:56,085 Philip Morris finances it with $240,000 a year. 141 00:10:56,265 --> 00:10:58,528 At the same time Dietrich is a consultant 142 00:10:58,569 --> 00:11:01,435 for the WHO regional office in America. 143 00:11:01,614 --> 00:11:03,575 When his double role becomes known, 144 00:11:03,616 --> 00:11:05,768 Dietrich moves into the finance industry. 145 00:11:05,808 --> 00:11:08,172 And we bought back our own bonds, that 146 00:11:08,213 --> 00:11:10,845 money never went back into the economy! 147 00:11:12,648 --> 00:11:14,581 He won't agree to talk to me. 148 00:11:14,782 --> 00:11:17,889 And the WHO report on the strategies of the tobacco 149 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:20,805 industry, 6 other consultants are mentioned. 150 00:11:21,217 --> 00:11:23,368 The British toxicologist Frank Sullivan 151 00:11:23,409 --> 00:11:25,626 for instance, claims that passive smoking 152 00:11:25,667 --> 00:11:28,183 doesn't harm your health. His study on the 153 00:11:28,224 --> 00:11:30,484 subject is financed by Philip Morris. 154 00:11:34,503 --> 00:11:36,105 Hello, Frank Sullivan. 155 00:11:37,278 --> 00:11:38,765 Hello Mr Sullivan, 156 00:11:39,473 --> 00:11:40,675 oh (awkward laughter) 157 00:11:40,715 --> 00:11:41,848 Good to hear you. 158 00:11:41,941 --> 00:11:43,980 I tell you why I'm calling you. 159 00:11:44,707 --> 00:11:47,141 I came across the tobacco scandal at 160 00:11:47,182 --> 00:11:49,680 WHO and there your name is mentioned. 161 00:11:49,721 --> 00:11:51,040 (Sullivan) My name?! 162 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:51,880 yes. 163 00:11:51,921 --> 00:11:53,243 Oh I didn't know that. 164 00:11:53,283 --> 00:11:55,407 (narrator) Were you a WHO consultant? 165 00:11:55,448 --> 00:11:57,305 Yes I'm an (awkward stutter) 166 00:11:57,345 --> 00:11:58,961 Yeah, I am 167 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:03,919 I, I, I'm a consultant for WHO, and I also used 168 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,826 to be a consultant in the tobacco industry. 169 00:12:07,178 --> 00:12:09,238 There was a great long form you had to fill 170 00:12:09,292 --> 00:12:11,959 in every time I went to a meeting at WHO. 171 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,731 (narrator) But did you declare in those forms 172 00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:17,209 that you also consulted tobacco industry? 173 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:18,500 Yes, yes, yes. 174 00:12:18,557 --> 00:12:20,752 And it was no problem for WHO? 175 00:12:20,792 --> 00:12:28,625 No, no, no because (laughing) it wasn't a big issue. 176 00:12:28,792 --> 00:12:31,959 From when till when were where you a WHO consultant. 177 00:12:32,076 --> 00:12:36,083 Oh, I don't know when. 178 00:12:36,333 --> 00:12:38,833 Did you stop after the tobacco scandal or not? 179 00:12:38,875 --> 00:12:40,917 No, no, no. 180 00:12:42,208 --> 00:12:44,833 (music) 181 00:12:49,709 --> 00:12:52,834 In the year 2000, Sullivan's collaboration with the tobacco 182 00:12:52,875 --> 00:12:55,042 industry becomes public, but he 183 00:12:55,083 --> 00:12:57,598 still continues to advise the WHO. 184 00:12:57,958 --> 00:13:00,291 I meet with two department leaders combating 185 00:13:00,339 --> 00:13:03,040 tobacco under the auspices of the WHO. 186 00:13:03,853 --> 00:13:05,882 We have a zero tolerance approach as I 187 00:13:05,923 --> 00:13:07,866 said the Director General says, the 188 00:13:07,907 --> 00:13:10,223 tobacco industry is our number 1 enemy 189 00:13:10,569 --> 00:13:12,765 and we wear that badge very proudly. 190 00:13:13,132 --> 00:13:16,599 (narrator) Is Frank Sullivan still a WHO consultant. 191 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:19,648 Absolutely not I mean... 192 00:13:20,304 --> 00:13:22,952 They can't because the names of all those 193 00:13:22,992 --> 00:13:25,992 persons are well known through the documents. 194 00:13:26,327 --> 00:13:28,754 But did Frank Sullivan consult to 195 00:13:28,795 --> 00:13:32,340 WHO in for example 2002 let's say? 196 00:13:35,544 --> 00:13:38,811 Not that I'm aware of as well too, and again the 197 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:41,791 policies that are in place now is that all consultants 198 00:13:41,832 --> 00:13:43,627 no matter whether they're working in 199 00:13:43,668 --> 00:13:45,649 tobacco control or infectious diseases 200 00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:47,908 or anywhere in the organisation, have 201 00:13:47,949 --> 00:13:50,275 to sign a declaration of interest. 202 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,672 (narrator) But this means a lot of trust. 203 00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:54,916 Don't you think they should be reviewed? 204 00:13:55,008 --> 00:13:58,319 Trust I think that you should trust 205 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,255 until such a day you lack trust. 206 00:14:01,295 --> 00:14:04,628 You cannot just start by already being suspicious 207 00:14:04,669 --> 00:14:08,784 about people and their capacity to do things. 208 00:14:08,824 --> 00:14:09,604 That's good. 209 00:14:09,644 --> 00:14:10,839 Thank you so much. 210 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:12,806 We are not alone during the conversation, 211 00:14:12,862 --> 00:14:15,452 three WHO staff are watching us and 212 00:14:15,493 --> 00:14:17,462 the press spokesman conducts the person 213 00:14:17,503 --> 00:14:19,597 I'm interviewing with silent gestures. 214 00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:24,835 I would like to know about conflict 215 00:14:24,876 --> 00:14:27,377 of interest forms and I would 216 00:14:27,418 --> 00:14:29,484 like to see the conflict of 217 00:14:29,525 --> 00:14:31,749 interest forms of Frank Sullivan. 218 00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:33,783 I just am able to refer the question on to the 219 00:14:33,830 --> 00:14:35,739 necessary people because that might be in the 220 00:14:35,780 --> 00:14:37,751 archive of the organisation but in the role of 221 00:14:37,792 --> 00:14:39,678 the reference library and that's what we do. 222 00:14:42,833 --> 00:14:45,989 My official enquiry about Frank Sullivan's conflict of 223 00:14:46,029 --> 00:14:49,371 interest form is a dead end despite countless phone calls. 224 00:14:50,901 --> 00:14:54,424 (music) 225 00:15:05,083 --> 00:15:09,791 The WHO and also Thomas Zeltner they always say ok we had 226 00:15:09,835 --> 00:15:14,250 a problem and there was single persons who were corrupt. 227 00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:18,342 This was Sullivan, Paul Dietrich and so on. 228 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,339 But I'm always doubting was it 229 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:23,151 really single persons and now it's 230 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,477 over or could you say that entire 231 00:15:25,518 --> 00:15:28,066 segments of WHO are corrupt? 232 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:30,899 We have all the tobacco company documents 233 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:33,772 which show how major corporations operate. 234 00:15:34,219 --> 00:15:36,685 And the pharmaceutical companies or the chemical 235 00:15:36,726 --> 00:15:38,788 companies do not operate any differently. 236 00:15:38,991 --> 00:15:41,746 Their obligation to their shareholders completely 237 00:15:41,787 --> 00:15:44,590 overwhelms any consideration of public health. 238 00:15:44,631 --> 00:15:48,738 So these are the people that are involved in the H1N1 push. 239 00:15:50,793 --> 00:15:53,777 (tense music) 240 00:16:03,043 --> 00:16:07,555 Swine flu, or H1N1, is presented by the WHO and in the 241 00:16:07,603 --> 00:16:12,410 public media as a huge threat. Wrongly as it later emerges. 242 00:16:13,630 --> 00:16:17,430 (newsreader) We are in the earliest days of the pandemic) 243 00:16:17,512 --> 00:16:20,871 (news reports playing over each other) 244 00:16:35,575 --> 00:16:37,590 Do you remember swine flu? 245 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,000 You were really frightened. 246 00:16:42,041 --> 00:16:43,418 The numbers are staggering. 247 00:16:43,458 --> 00:16:46,143 Well first of all, they are estimated by the 248 00:16:46,184 --> 00:16:50,543 WHO to affect 2bn people worldwide with H1N1. 249 00:16:50,583 --> 00:16:52,291 Joining us now from Cibolo, Texas, 250 00:16:52,356 --> 00:16:53,940 Patrick and Robyn Henshaw. Their 251 00:16:53,981 --> 00:16:55,534 family has been hit hard by this 252 00:16:55,576 --> 00:16:57,419 Swine flu, good morning to you both. 253 00:16:57,839 --> 00:16:58,682 Good morning. 254 00:16:58,722 --> 00:17:01,508 My administration's taken several precautions to 255 00:17:01,556 --> 00:17:06,290 address the challenge posed by the 2009 H1N1 flu virus. 256 00:17:15,019 --> 00:17:17,629 If you've been diagnosed with probable or 257 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:21,724 presumed 2009 H1N1 or Swine flu in recent months, 258 00:17:21,903 --> 00:17:25,462 you may be surprised to know this. The odds are you didn't 259 00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:29,809 have H1N1 flu. In fact you probably didn't have flu at all. 260 00:17:31,579 --> 00:17:35,179 WHO is very happy to be taking part in this hearing... 261 00:17:35,565 --> 00:17:39,767 (several people speaking at the same time) 262 00:17:45,143 --> 00:17:47,076 But I've heard no reason why. 263 00:18:09,825 --> 00:18:11,870 Many countries including Germany, 264 00:18:11,911 --> 00:18:14,198 Italy, France and Great Britain 265 00:18:14,253 --> 00:18:16,003 concluded secret agreements with 266 00:18:16,044 --> 00:18:18,354 pharmaceutical companies before the Swine 267 00:18:18,395 --> 00:18:20,330 flu incident, which obliged them to 268 00:18:20,371 --> 00:18:22,416 purchase Swine flu vaccinations. 269 00:18:23,002 --> 00:18:27,259 But only if the WHO issued a pandemic level 6 alert. 270 00:18:28,845 --> 00:18:31,072 (music) 271 00:18:32,908 --> 00:18:40,055 The world is now at the start of the 2009 influenza pandemic. 272 00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:26,750 Swine flu makes considerable profits 273 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:29,125 for the manufacturers of vaccines. 274 00:19:29,667 --> 00:19:31,125 In first quarter net profit, 275 00:19:31,167 --> 00:19:34,417 saving its Swine flu vaccine, Lantes, for the gains. 276 00:19:34,458 --> 00:19:37,250 France's largest drug maker said it's net profit in the 277 00:19:37,292 --> 00:19:42,334 quarter rose to 1.71bn euros, that's 2.26bn US dollars. 278 00:19:43,411 --> 00:19:45,637 I tried to arrange an interview with the 279 00:19:45,678 --> 00:19:48,451 person responsible for Swine flu at the WHO, 280 00:19:48,542 --> 00:19:49,667 Keiji Fukuda, 281 00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:51,957 he was often on television at the time. 282 00:19:51,997 --> 00:19:54,751 But I get an appointment with the official press spokesman. 283 00:19:54,808 --> 00:19:58,086 11 countries, officially reporting 284 00:19:58,127 --> 00:20:02,164 331 cases of influenza A 285 00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:06,703 H1N1 infection, with 10 deaths. 286 00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:12,417 Were you aware of the contracts between 287 00:20:12,475 --> 00:20:14,552 pharmaceutical companies and governments? 288 00:20:14,592 --> 00:20:16,467 You have to be aware of this. Of course, you 289 00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:18,460 have to be aware of everything that's going on. 290 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:24,167 And it is extremely easy to after the fact say, well maybe X 291 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:27,625 should not have done Y, and A should not have done B. 292 00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:30,085 However, think about the opposite. 293 00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:33,833 What would have happened if the influenza 294 00:20:33,957 --> 00:20:35,920 killed 50 percent of the people 295 00:20:35,976 --> 00:20:38,272 infected and there was no vaccine. 296 00:20:38,842 --> 00:20:43,666 Then you and others would be standing here today getting 297 00:20:43,707 --> 00:20:48,700 really mad at us for not having made vaccine a possibility. 298 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:57,930 Now in terms of an overall assessment 299 00:20:57,971 --> 00:20:59,797 of the severity of what we are 300 00:20:59,838 --> 00:21:02,603 seeing, it's probably fair to call the 301 00:21:02,644 --> 00:21:05,125 situation something like moderate. 302 00:21:49,963 --> 00:21:52,230 At the time I am pregnant and I avoid 303 00:21:52,271 --> 00:21:54,716 airports, crowds and all forms of travel. 304 00:21:54,824 --> 00:21:57,459 Public media exaggerates with words and 305 00:21:57,500 --> 00:22:00,397 images, the danger resulting from swine flu. 306 00:22:04,619 --> 00:22:07,838 (music and ambulance siren) 307 00:22:46,147 --> 00:22:48,543 Could they have declared the pandemic 308 00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:51,582 level 6 also with the old definition? 309 00:23:12,731 --> 00:23:14,419 So this is er... 310 00:23:16,817 --> 00:23:18,215 This was removed 311 00:23:19,513 --> 00:23:24,357 before 2009, shortly before H1N1. 312 00:23:50,388 --> 00:23:52,225 Of course, we would like to have a vaccine tomorrow. 313 00:23:52,274 --> 00:23:54,377 We would have wanted to have had it yesterday. 314 00:23:54,417 --> 00:23:56,917 In 2009, Miss Kieny is a member of 315 00:23:56,973 --> 00:23:59,327 the WHO Swine flu working group. 316 00:23:59,569 --> 00:24:01,751 Previously she had worked for the French 317 00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,584 pharmaceutical company Transgene. 318 00:24:03,717 --> 00:24:06,394 The press spokesman doesn't allow me to interview her, 319 00:24:06,435 --> 00:24:09,489 so I try to approach her directly at a conference. 320 00:24:13,770 --> 00:24:16,671 I ask Miss Kieny why the criteria of severity was 321 00:24:16,711 --> 00:24:19,495 deleted from the definition of a pandemic phase. 322 00:25:51,103 --> 00:25:54,080 (music) 323 00:25:54,963 --> 00:25:58,981 The WHO working group on Swine flu consists of 13 external 324 00:25:59,022 --> 00:26:02,766 consultants. Two of them report conflicts of interest. 325 00:26:03,042 --> 00:26:05,584 Neil Ferguson declares consultancy fees 326 00:26:05,625 --> 00:26:08,292 from GlaxoSmithKline, Baxter and Roche, 327 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,205 the manufacturers of the swine flu vaccines 328 00:26:11,246 --> 00:26:14,847 and medications. Not a problem for the WHO. 329 00:26:15,708 --> 00:26:19,272 In 2007, Albert Osterhaus loses his voting right on the 330 00:26:19,312 --> 00:26:22,891 Dutch heath commission due to his conflicts of interest. 331 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:27,292 He declares to the WHO that he has shares in the pharma company 332 00:26:27,333 --> 00:26:31,125 Viroclinics, which is suspected of profiting from Swine flu. 333 00:26:31,208 --> 00:26:34,958 He also declares that he is the chairman of ESWI, 334 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,895 describing it as a group of independent scientists. 335 00:26:38,003 --> 00:26:42,360 In fact it is partly financed by vaccine manufacturers. 336 00:26:44,595 --> 00:26:47,902 Because I also did some research about H1N1, 337 00:26:47,943 --> 00:26:51,015 could we also discuss this a little bit later? 338 00:26:51,125 --> 00:26:51,917 Yeah? 339 00:26:52,092 --> 00:26:55,055 I can tell you there's no scientific meeting today 340 00:26:55,097 --> 00:26:57,943 organised that is not being sponsored by industry 341 00:26:58,011 --> 00:26:59,751 and rightly so. Industry is making 342 00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:01,541 the vaccines, it's not the national 343 00:27:01,582 --> 00:27:03,570 institutes that are making the vaccines 344 00:27:03,625 --> 00:27:05,292 any longer, industry is doing it. 345 00:27:05,342 --> 00:27:09,017 (narrator) I'm very curious, are you still a WHO consultant? 346 00:27:09,845 --> 00:27:13,747 At the moment I'm working more with the private sector 347 00:27:13,788 --> 00:27:16,920 as well so I'm still consulting from time to time. 348 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,983 (narrator) Are you still working with this 349 00:27:19,024 --> 00:27:20,785 European Scientists against Influenza? 350 00:27:20,825 --> 00:27:23,182 Yes, I'm the chair of that particular organisation. 351 00:27:23,222 --> 00:27:25,070 (narrator) Because I saw that you 352 00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:27,570 declared this as a conflict of interest. 353 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:31,077 No no it's not a conflict of interest but I declare 354 00:27:31,118 --> 00:27:34,711 also what might be perceived as a conflict of interest. 355 00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:37,498 No but you have to be very careful there so at 356 00:27:37,539 --> 00:27:40,232 least if you say that, people can hold it against 357 00:27:40,273 --> 00:27:42,607 you yeah but at least I can always say and I have 358 00:27:42,648 --> 00:27:46,015 always done that. At least you show what you do. 359 00:27:46,069 --> 00:27:47,798 (narrator) It was written there 360 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,017 'independent group of scientists', when 361 00:27:50,058 --> 00:27:52,261 I looked on the website I saw it's 362 00:27:52,302 --> 00:27:55,009 funded by all the vaccine producers. 363 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:58,545 No no it's not funded by, some money comes from 364 00:27:58,586 --> 00:28:00,951 vaccine producers but there's money coming 365 00:28:00,992 --> 00:28:03,438 from many other sources as well and that's the 366 00:28:03,479 --> 00:28:06,422 same with WHO and a lot of other organisations. 367 00:28:06,462 --> 00:28:08,277 As long as you're transparent and show 368 00:28:08,317 --> 00:28:10,021 what you're doing, it's fine I think. 369 00:28:10,061 --> 00:28:12,100 (narrator) How is the percentage of funding? 370 00:28:12,186 --> 00:28:15,463 I don't know exactly, but there is a substantial part of 371 00:28:15,504 --> 00:28:18,017 the funding comes from elsewhere. From meetings, comes 372 00:28:18,058 --> 00:28:21,408 from European projects, and there is a percentage coming 373 00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:24,269 from industry as well and that's completely transparent. 374 00:28:24,309 --> 00:28:27,613 It's fine to bring it up again but for me it's over. 375 00:28:28,418 --> 00:28:32,168 I don't get any hard figures from Mr. Osterhaus either. 376 00:28:32,403 --> 00:28:34,983 Without any facts, without transparency, 377 00:28:35,024 --> 00:28:37,089 I can't make any progress here. 378 00:28:37,295 --> 00:28:39,107 What about the WHO? 379 00:28:48,864 --> 00:28:51,309 We didn't say anything - No, no 380 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:54,659 No, I wouldn't like you to use what I just 381 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,213 said but I'm happy to say something else. 382 00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:59,933 Please don't approach people with a camera. 383 00:28:59,974 --> 00:29:02,218 We have issues, please don't do that. 384 00:29:02,258 --> 00:29:03,791 I ask and then it's fine? 385 00:29:03,836 --> 00:29:06,685 If you ask and you set up the interview, that's ok. 386 00:29:06,752 --> 00:29:08,205 At the country level, 387 00:29:08,666 --> 00:29:11,566 I hear good news and I hear bad news 388 00:29:11,787 --> 00:29:14,664 about engagement with non state actors. 389 00:31:26,422 --> 00:31:30,037 We found out that there has been a big lack of transparency 390 00:31:30,165 --> 00:31:33,945 with the pandemic alert experienced in 2009. 391 00:31:34,619 --> 00:31:38,093 What did you do since then to have more transparency 392 00:31:38,285 --> 00:31:41,348 concerning the decisions done, concerning the staff, 393 00:31:41,405 --> 00:31:44,338 concerning the declarations of conflicts of 394 00:31:44,379 --> 00:31:47,178 interest. How do you want to improve this? 395 00:31:49,458 --> 00:31:50,916 I want to erm... 396 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,721 agree with you. There is no replacement 397 00:31:54,762 --> 00:31:57,758 of transparency and accountability. 398 00:31:57,989 --> 00:32:00,724 And that's the only way to hold people to account. 399 00:32:00,838 --> 00:32:06,705 But in order to do that, we must recognise that in this 21st 400 00:32:06,746 --> 00:32:09,743 century, no government can provide 401 00:32:09,784 --> 00:32:11,387 everything to their people. 402 00:32:11,754 --> 00:32:14,487 So you do need to work with the industry. 403 00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:17,477 But work in a way that there is 404 00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:20,699 no room for conflict of interest. 405 00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:27,051 (road noise and music) 406 00:32:36,557 --> 00:32:38,590 In the case of the pharmaceutical 407 00:32:38,631 --> 00:32:40,617 industry, it's even more difficult for 408 00:32:40,658 --> 00:32:42,930 the WHO to maintain it's independence 409 00:32:42,971 --> 00:32:44,883 than with the tobacco industry. 410 00:32:45,352 --> 00:32:48,110 On the one hand the WHO is dependent on the 411 00:32:48,151 --> 00:32:50,326 pharmaceutical industries for research 412 00:32:50,367 --> 00:32:53,006 and medication. But the industries financial 413 00:32:53,047 --> 00:32:55,169 interests mustn't damage the WHO's 414 00:32:55,209 --> 00:32:57,409 activities in the area of health. 415 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,923 One thing is clear, today the 416 00:32:59,964 --> 00:33:01,789 pharmaceutical industry is part of 417 00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:03,946 the health system, just like the 418 00:33:03,987 --> 00:33:06,300 governments that control the WHO. 419 00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:52,875 (applause) 420 00:33:53,312 --> 00:33:57,100 Pfizer doesn't need a PR man, they've got the Prime Minister! 421 00:33:58,749 --> 00:34:03,216 Secretary Clinton has a number of super packs 422 00:34:06,685 --> 00:34:10,299 and in the last filing period reported 423 00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:14,395 receiving 15 million dollars from Wall Street. 424 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:16,427 (booing) 425 00:34:16,762 --> 00:34:18,127 My whole life I've been a business 426 00:34:18,168 --> 00:34:19,725 man. I've contributed to most of them. 427 00:34:19,773 --> 00:34:21,358 I've given to democrats, I've given 428 00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:23,950 to Hillary, I've given to everybody! 429 00:34:24,164 --> 00:34:25,764 Because that was my job. 430 00:34:25,805 --> 00:34:26,884 I gotta give to them 431 00:34:26,992 --> 00:34:29,258 because when I want something I get it. 432 00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:30,529 When I call... 433 00:34:31,204 --> 00:34:32,337 they kiss my ass. 434 00:34:33,242 --> 00:34:35,600 Ok, it's true, they kiss my ass. 435 00:34:36,225 --> 00:34:38,058 (cheering and applause) 436 00:34:46,282 --> 00:34:48,264 Politics are losing power. 437 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:52,119 And that's also reflected in the financing of the WHO. 438 00:34:52,217 --> 00:34:55,194 In the 1990s, all countries froze their membership 439 00:34:55,234 --> 00:34:58,210 contributions in the wake of the financial crisis, 440 00:34:59,029 --> 00:35:04,262 Desperate times do indeed call for desperate measures. 441 00:35:05,029 --> 00:35:06,832 We are in a mess. 442 00:35:07,961 --> 00:35:11,478 The financial crisis hit the world like a sudden jolt 443 00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:15,932 and it hit the world where it hurts most... money. 444 00:35:18,625 --> 00:35:22,619 Today UN organisations, foundations, NGOs and industry 445 00:35:22,659 --> 00:35:26,733 contribute almost 40 percent of the WHO's annual budget. 446 00:35:26,849 --> 00:35:29,534 The second largest source of finance right after 447 00:35:29,575 --> 00:35:32,630 the USA is the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. 448 00:35:36,112 --> 00:35:40,241 30 years ago, in starting Microsoft we had a 449 00:35:40,282 --> 00:35:44,912 very ambitious vision: a computer for everyone. 450 00:35:45,772 --> 00:35:50,460 Now I join you in seeking to achieve an even more important 451 00:35:50,501 --> 00:35:54,407 vision which is good health for every human being. 452 00:35:55,773 --> 00:35:58,375 Today the WHO relies on voluntary 453 00:35:58,416 --> 00:35:59,902 contributions like that from 454 00:35:59,943 --> 00:36:03,443 the Gates foundation, but these are often linked to conditions. 455 00:36:03,538 --> 00:36:05,142 Bill Gates declares, 456 00:36:05,625 --> 00:36:08,083 'our priorities are your priorities', 457 00:36:08,132 --> 00:36:09,741 not the other way around. 458 00:36:09,781 --> 00:36:10,848 A Freudian slip? 459 00:36:11,535 --> 00:36:13,793 Our priorities are your priorities. 460 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:17,160 (applause) 461 00:36:18,917 --> 00:36:23,584 Today the WHO's annual budget amounts to about 2bn dollars. 462 00:36:23,702 --> 00:36:27,302 Coca Cola spends twice that much on advertising alone. 463 00:36:27,343 --> 00:36:31,476 And the hospitals around lake Geneva spend 6bn dollars a year. 464 00:36:38,012 --> 00:36:40,905 When it was founded, the WHO could decide 465 00:36:40,946 --> 00:36:43,252 how to distribute it's funds itself. 466 00:36:43,553 --> 00:36:46,254 Now 70 percent of it's budget is tied to 467 00:36:46,295 --> 00:36:49,126 particular projects, countries or regions. 468 00:36:55,304 --> 00:36:58,721 If the WHO receives funding to fight malaria for 469 00:36:58,762 --> 00:37:02,589 example, it can't use that money to combat Ebola. 470 00:37:04,843 --> 00:37:07,855 (background chatter) 471 00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:13,292 The Ebola interim assessment panel put it 472 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:14,482 in very precise words. 473 00:37:14,522 --> 00:37:15,896 In present WHO does not 474 00:37:18,292 --> 00:37:21,565 have the operational capacity or culture to 475 00:37:21,708 --> 00:37:25,000 deliver a full emergency public health response. 476 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:26,298 (applause) 477 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:27,684 (narrator) What does the Director 478 00:37:27,725 --> 00:37:30,020 General of the WHO think about that? 479 00:37:30,061 --> 00:37:33,261 I want to ask her what constraints she is under. 480 00:37:33,536 --> 00:37:34,336 I need that! 481 00:37:34,389 --> 00:37:35,759 (laughing) 482 00:37:38,785 --> 00:37:40,269 Newspaper? 483 00:37:40,326 --> 00:37:45,098 No I'm doing a cinema documentary, I'm a filmmaker. 484 00:37:45,205 --> 00:37:47,631 Ahh, ok, let's discuss the date. 485 00:37:47,671 --> 00:37:49,595 You don't want July, August? 486 00:37:49,788 --> 00:37:52,557 No August would also be possible. 487 00:37:54,141 --> 00:37:55,849 July, August whatever, 488 00:37:55,889 --> 00:37:58,836 not so hectic. 489 00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:02,394 If that's better for you then ok I will adapt my schedule. 490 00:38:04,972 --> 00:38:07,167 (music) 491 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,425 Since I can't get to speak to Margaret Chan, 492 00:38:47,465 --> 00:38:49,347 I meet one of her close advisors. 493 00:38:52,813 --> 00:38:56,634 (music and ambient sounds) 494 00:38:59,431 --> 00:39:02,868 I think it's simply a wrong perception to think 495 00:39:03,777 --> 00:39:07,276 there can be external independent review. 496 00:39:08,024 --> 00:39:10,994 Because then you have to say who is selecting this independent 497 00:39:11,035 --> 00:39:14,353 expert, and who is controlling their independence 498 00:39:14,652 --> 00:39:16,535 and who is controlling the independence 499 00:39:16,576 --> 00:39:18,514 of those controlling the independence. 500 00:39:18,708 --> 00:39:21,791 There is no external entity as such independent. 501 00:39:22,096 --> 00:39:24,880 Of course he's right, but he's wrong. 502 00:39:25,417 --> 00:39:28,504 - You know, he's mixing everything up because - this world is as it is and you have to do 503 00:39:32,317 --> 00:39:35,486 what you can to make sure that the independence 504 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:37,667 of the science is as good as possible. 505 00:39:37,723 --> 00:39:41,387 It will never ever be perfect, he's quite right by that, 506 00:39:41,428 --> 00:39:45,016 but he should be talking about his own. I mean he's from 507 00:39:45,057 --> 00:39:47,493 Switzerland, he came straight from Switzerland which is a 508 00:39:47,534 --> 00:39:49,525 country that is completely locked 509 00:39:49,566 --> 00:39:51,641 in to a partnership approach 510 00:39:51,921 --> 00:39:54,721 and he's in charge of partnerships at WHO. 511 00:39:55,500 --> 00:40:00,500 So I know Gaudenz was very keen that any countries could 512 00:40:00,547 --> 00:40:03,209 come in, as long as it was transparent he didn't mind. 513 00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:12,985 This is our opposition to the non 514 00:40:13,026 --> 00:40:16,301 state actors thing as it is, ok? 515 00:40:16,368 --> 00:40:18,876 Namibia will be onside with us isn't it? 516 00:40:18,919 --> 00:40:21,123 African groups generally are worried 517 00:40:21,164 --> 00:40:23,282 about it. How many people are in? 518 00:40:23,347 --> 00:40:24,413 Quite a few now. 519 00:40:25,186 --> 00:40:27,319 Yeah quite a few, that's enough. 520 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,548 What's going on with them? 521 00:40:32,588 --> 00:40:34,055 Next room - Next room 522 00:40:34,555 --> 00:40:39,307 What's happening there is those industrialised countries 523 00:40:39,355 --> 00:40:43,185 that would really like to expand their markets 524 00:40:43,226 --> 00:40:47,907 into the developing world, they are finding a way to 525 00:40:47,948 --> 00:40:52,716 let WHO allow these companies in to influence policy. 526 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:56,421 (speaker) The world in which the WHO 527 00:40:56,462 --> 00:40:58,765 operates today is very different from 528 00:40:58,806 --> 00:41:01,273 the world in which the organisation was 529 00:41:01,314 --> 00:41:03,533 established more than 60 years ago. 530 00:41:06,512 --> 00:41:09,364 Member states are also influenced by non state actors. 531 00:41:10,601 --> 00:41:12,573 But since they are our bosses, 532 00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:16,109 and they're sovereign member states, if it's a private 533 00:41:16,167 --> 00:41:20,361 sector entity, if it's an NGO or whoever influences 534 00:41:20,401 --> 00:41:22,914 them, as long as they make it a national position, 535 00:41:22,955 --> 00:41:25,723 it's a national position and we accept it as such. 536 00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:31,717 (music) 537 00:41:45,877 --> 00:41:49,517 (children playing) 538 00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:07,210 Professor Yamashita is 539 00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:09,167 contributing to the trivialisation 540 00:43:09,231 --> 00:43:12,399 of the risk of radioactive contamination in public. 541 00:43:26,458 --> 00:43:29,000 Yamashita works together with the WHO 542 00:43:29,057 --> 00:43:31,270 in cases of nuclear catastrophe. 543 00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:38,090 Is the WHO downplaying the dangers of nuclear radiation? 544 00:43:38,396 --> 00:43:40,298 Is it for example, keeping silent 545 00:43:40,375 --> 00:43:42,859 about a rise in thyroid cancer? 546 00:44:04,936 --> 00:44:06,928 There's a lot here about Swine flu 547 00:44:06,975 --> 00:44:09,023 and almost nothing about Fukushima. 548 00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:10,798 I would like to talk to the Director 549 00:44:10,839 --> 00:44:12,200 General about this in person. 550 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,958 Maybe you can help me, how can I get 551 00:44:13,999 --> 00:44:15,619 an interview with Margaret Chan. 552 00:44:16,003 --> 00:44:17,116 (inaudible) 553 00:44:17,936 --> 00:44:18,936 Very difficult. 554 00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:22,417 I have to become friends with you, ok I see. 555 00:44:22,457 --> 00:44:23,700 (man) She's very busy. 556 00:44:23,772 --> 00:44:26,147 I know I know, this is why I'm asking. 557 00:44:26,187 --> 00:44:28,198 Can we get you someone else? 558 00:44:28,264 --> 00:44:29,064 No. 559 00:44:29,983 --> 00:44:32,962 Look, no one can promise you interview with Dr 560 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:36,108 Chan because she really prefers others to speak. 561 00:44:36,667 --> 00:44:40,236 So there are some circumstances where she 562 00:44:40,277 --> 00:44:43,208 does it but nothing that can be guaranteed. 563 00:44:53,376 --> 00:44:56,534 (music) 564 00:45:15,127 --> 00:45:16,950 (children shouting) 565 00:45:17,914 --> 00:45:21,032 It's difficult to find anybody who is allowed to talk. 566 00:45:21,208 --> 00:45:23,902 The mayor of Matsumoto, Akira Sugenoya, 567 00:45:23,942 --> 00:45:26,199 is also a doctor and has founded a convalescence 568 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,454 camp for children from contaminated areas. 569 00:45:29,813 --> 00:45:32,443 Konichiwa! 570 00:46:30,131 --> 00:46:33,561 As a result of experience after Chernobyl, the WHO 571 00:46:33,602 --> 00:46:36,839 recommendations for issuing iodine were revised in the 572 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,710 year 1999 under the supervision of the British scientist 573 00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:44,208 Keith Baverstock, a member of staff at the WHO. 574 00:46:45,348 --> 00:46:47,340 (music) 575 00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:58,327 Thank you Mr. moderator for that kind introduction, and 576 00:46:58,368 --> 00:47:02,221 thank you for the invitation to come and present here. 577 00:47:02,461 --> 00:47:06,751 I guess I... Ok I want to start this 578 00:47:06,792 --> 00:47:11,210 presentation by saying a few words about lessons 579 00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:14,362 learnt from a previous nuclear power plant accident, 580 00:47:14,417 --> 00:47:18,112 namely the one in Chernobyl in 1986. 581 00:47:21,042 --> 00:47:23,959 When I started my programme with WHO, 582 00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:27,121 within a few weeks I learnt that 583 00:47:27,162 --> 00:47:29,029 there was a claim that there was a 584 00:47:29,070 --> 00:47:31,092 large number of thyroid cancers 585 00:47:31,133 --> 00:47:37,011 in children and this ended up in the mission to Minsk. We saw an 586 00:47:37,052 --> 00:47:39,435 astonishing number of children who'd 587 00:47:39,476 --> 00:47:42,147 been operated for thyroid cancer. 588 00:47:42,187 --> 00:47:45,158 Quite young children, so to see as we did 589 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,697 on that day possibly 1 maybe 12 cases in 590 00:47:49,738 --> 00:47:52,783 one place at one time, all having been 591 00:47:52,824 --> 00:47:55,355 operated was really quite extraordinary. 592 00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:58,847 We took it from there. 593 00:47:59,083 --> 00:48:01,958 And with our Belarusian colleagues 594 00:48:02,341 --> 00:48:04,981 published two short papers in the 595 00:48:05,022 --> 00:48:08,127 journal nature to draw attention to it. 596 00:48:08,737 --> 00:48:12,609 After the papers were published, WHO asked 597 00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:16,071 me to withdraw the paper from Nature. 598 00:48:16,735 --> 00:48:20,658 A paper published with about 5 or 6 other 599 00:48:20,699 --> 00:48:25,158 people, all agreeing on this position. 600 00:48:26,094 --> 00:48:29,538 And he asked me to withdraw that paper from publication. 601 00:48:32,266 --> 00:48:33,659 After it had been published. 602 00:48:33,803 --> 00:48:36,465 Chrysler who worked at WHO 603 00:48:36,524 --> 00:48:39,569 Geneva, yes. He threatened me. 604 00:48:41,247 --> 00:48:42,847 How did he threaten you? 605 00:48:42,888 --> 00:48:43,888 With my career. 606 00:48:44,015 --> 00:48:47,157 He said your career will be shortened if you don't do this. 607 00:48:48,310 --> 00:48:49,527 And was it shortened? 608 00:48:49,567 --> 00:48:50,367 No. 609 00:48:56,943 --> 00:49:00,139 I wonder why in Fukushima area it wasn't distributed. 610 00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:01,344 I don't know. 611 00:49:01,898 --> 00:49:04,586 I don't know, they should have given them. 612 00:49:04,996 --> 00:49:05,796 Yeah. 613 00:49:08,148 --> 00:49:10,215 They don't like to cause panic. 614 00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:39,042 Did you have any contact with WHO after the TEPCO accident? 615 00:50:37,917 --> 00:50:41,875 I still find it beyond belief that Naoto Kan was convinced at 616 00:50:41,918 --> 00:50:46,024 the time that no radioactivity would emerge after the accident. 617 00:50:46,687 --> 00:50:49,752 Just one day after the accident a monitoring 618 00:50:49,792 --> 00:50:52,209 station of the organisation CTBTO 619 00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:54,782 recorded raised levels of radioactivity 620 00:50:54,823 --> 00:50:57,901 200km from the nuclear power station. 621 00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:04,855 (music) 622 00:52:51,707 --> 00:52:53,051 But who is right? 623 00:53:09,619 --> 00:53:11,773 (chanting) 624 00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:39,346 (applause) 625 00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:44,879 What do you think today about iodine 626 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,050 intake after nuclear accident? 627 00:53:47,491 --> 00:53:50,890 Well again it's more or less what was said in the video. 628 00:53:51,934 --> 00:53:54,487 People are not taking iodine as of the moment the 629 00:53:54,542 --> 00:53:57,334 Japanese authorities have no said that should be done. 630 00:53:57,375 --> 00:54:00,667 They have distributed iodine tablets, pre-positioned 631 00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:04,125 them but have not yet asked anyone to take them. 632 00:54:04,417 --> 00:54:09,000 Taking iodine tablets in the absence of 633 00:54:09,217 --> 00:54:13,245 iodine radiation is actually bad for you. 634 00:54:13,391 --> 00:54:18,249 You need to match iodine, taking iodine to the exposure. 635 00:54:18,986 --> 00:54:22,863 I understand but, from today's point of view was the 636 00:54:22,905 --> 00:54:27,220 exposure given at that time in most affected areas or not? 637 00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:30,433 You know, again, that's almost 5 years ago and I 638 00:54:30,474 --> 00:54:32,855 can't remember the process from day to day and 639 00:54:32,896 --> 00:54:36,742 certainly we would have adapted our recommendations 640 00:54:36,783 --> 00:54:39,088 based on the information we were getting. 641 00:54:41,315 --> 00:54:43,783 But there are these guidelines and 642 00:54:43,824 --> 00:54:45,403 it's written in here you should 643 00:54:45,444 --> 00:54:50,174 take iodine within the first 6 hours after nuclear accident. 644 00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:53,359 It's in here and it's also clear 645 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,947 that it was not given in Fukushima, 646 00:54:56,363 --> 00:54:59,739 it's also a fact, it's not something 647 00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:02,013 you have to look up, it's obvious. 648 00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:06,385 Ok. 649 00:55:09,358 --> 00:55:12,231 I really think you are wasting your time on this topic. 650 00:55:12,706 --> 00:55:14,512 And that we should move on to other topics 651 00:55:14,553 --> 00:55:16,129 because I only have until 12 o'clock. 652 00:55:16,169 --> 00:55:17,725 Is it that you can't say something 653 00:55:17,766 --> 00:55:19,941 critical about the Japanese government? 654 00:55:22,542 --> 00:55:26,203 I... WHO, work on the basis of facts 655 00:55:26,244 --> 00:55:28,073 and if I don't have the facts 656 00:55:28,114 --> 00:55:30,098 and the information at my fingertips 657 00:55:30,139 --> 00:55:31,855 I am not going to speculate. 658 00:55:32,746 --> 00:55:35,627 Yeah, but in general is it possible 659 00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:38,125 for WHO to criticise nations? 660 00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:42,239 I'm not going to say anything more about 661 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,835 this, why should I say anything more. 662 00:55:43,886 --> 00:55:47,086 No this was a general question, not in relation to Fukushima. 663 00:55:47,611 --> 00:55:49,503 Well let's move on to another topic. 664 00:55:49,586 --> 00:55:50,386 Ok. 665 00:55:55,055 --> 00:55:57,405 (music) 666 00:56:18,387 --> 00:56:20,044 (inaudible) 667 00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,439 Yeah yeah the speaker. 668 00:56:21,501 --> 00:56:24,126 Well I know what is his role, not to 669 00:56:24,167 --> 00:56:27,042 answer anything, it's to around, around, around, around... 670 00:56:28,042 --> 00:56:29,416 This is the problem. One of the 671 00:56:29,456 --> 00:56:33,598 serious problems of WHO is the media 672 00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:35,994 policing because they are trying to 673 00:56:36,035 --> 00:56:38,583 avoid any conflict, to avoid anything. 674 00:56:38,623 --> 00:56:41,623 So they are not talking openly and transparently to the people. 675 00:56:41,802 --> 00:56:45,419 So what struck me was that your 676 00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:48,585 questions are odd and out of date. 677 00:57:03,254 --> 00:57:05,688 No it's a great organisation, I'm the spokesperson 678 00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:08,163 for the organisation I do this day in and day out. 679 00:57:09,663 --> 00:57:11,243 I love the job. 680 00:57:12,962 --> 00:57:18,110 Is it getting more difficult now that WHO has lost trust? 681 00:57:20,415 --> 00:57:22,362 Who says WHO has lost trust? 682 00:57:23,154 --> 00:57:24,127 Is that you? 683 00:57:27,726 --> 00:57:29,992 (music) 684 00:58:01,747 --> 00:58:03,588 (road noise) 685 00:58:10,292 --> 00:58:12,917 I am Alison Katz, I worked for the 686 00:58:12,959 --> 00:58:15,351 World Health Organisation myself for 687 00:58:15,392 --> 00:58:21,630 18 years and since I have left I have 688 00:58:21,671 --> 00:58:23,877 been involved in independent WHO 689 00:58:23,917 --> 00:58:25,893 which works in the area of radiation and health 690 00:58:26,083 --> 00:58:27,740 and we have been in front of the 691 00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:30,802 World Health Organisation headquarters in Geneva for 692 00:58:30,843 --> 00:58:36,210 7 years now and it is a permanent peaceful protest. 693 00:58:36,334 --> 00:58:39,373 So that the world understands that somebody is witnessing 694 00:58:39,414 --> 00:58:44,585 the victims of radiation which includes almost everybody. 695 00:58:44,636 --> 00:58:48,092 The Japanese people are already talking and they 696 00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:50,877 are reporting very serious health effects in 697 00:58:50,918 --> 00:58:55,180 children that the WHO is ignoring. It's not 698 00:58:55,221 --> 00:58:58,980 talking about, doesn't mention in it's report. 699 00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:00,475 You know. 700 00:59:01,308 --> 00:59:04,984 At the time of Chernobyl, the people couldn't talk freely. 701 00:59:09,778 --> 00:59:12,362 (music) 702 00:59:43,107 --> 00:59:47,279 The New York Academy of Science book, this one, comes up 703 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,792 with an estimate of 985,000 deaths, that is worldwide, 704 00:59:52,097 --> 00:59:57,046 between 1986 and 2004. And of course that makes a 705 00:59:57,087 --> 01:00:00,627 dramatic contrast with what the establishment says, 706 01:00:00,667 --> 01:00:03,036 which is still around 50 deaths and 707 01:00:03,077 --> 01:00:08,186 possibly 4000 cancers as a final total. 708 01:00:08,516 --> 01:00:13,240 The other major omission is that the WHO has never 709 01:00:13,281 --> 01:00:17,357 considered anything except cancer as a health effect. 710 01:00:55,374 --> 01:00:58,074 (speaking foreign language) 711 01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:17,833 (aeroplane noise) 712 01:01:18,865 --> 01:01:21,406 Since January we know that there are other diseases 713 01:01:21,449 --> 01:01:22,612 What other diseases? 714 01:01:22,653 --> 01:01:24,287 Unfortunately, um yeah... 715 01:01:24,327 --> 01:01:25,993 for example... 716 01:01:27,875 --> 01:01:31,705 Cardiovascular diseases, infertility, 717 01:01:31,745 --> 01:01:34,297 thyroid diseases other than cancer. 718 01:01:34,367 --> 01:01:36,544 There's a book, maybe you heard about 719 01:01:36,585 --> 01:01:38,389 it, of the Academy of Science. 720 01:01:38,583 --> 01:01:40,625 Which was reputed by the New York Academy 721 01:01:40,667 --> 01:01:42,709 of Sciences because it's so unsound. 722 01:01:44,058 --> 01:01:45,815 But that's not true. - Yes. 723 01:01:46,128 --> 01:01:49,255 If you read the statement from the New York Academy 724 01:01:49,296 --> 01:01:53,707 of Sciences, in 2011 or 12 they repudiated the book. 725 01:01:53,747 --> 01:01:55,071 Let me give you this. 726 01:01:55,192 --> 01:01:56,882 This is from the journal of radiology 727 01:01:56,923 --> 01:01:59,047 and it's a review of the New 728 01:01:59,088 --> 01:02:01,248 York Academy of Science's book which 729 01:02:01,289 --> 01:02:03,214 talks about all the flaws in it. 730 01:02:03,268 --> 01:02:04,429 Ok, ok. 731 01:02:04,778 --> 01:02:06,863 So I should also give you something. 732 01:02:06,922 --> 01:02:09,519 A book review by independent WHO. 733 01:02:11,902 --> 01:02:13,672 Yeah - Yeah 734 01:02:14,589 --> 01:02:17,054 Ok we read this and then we meet again. 735 01:02:18,875 --> 01:02:20,855 (phone dialing) 736 01:02:29,594 --> 01:02:31,528 Hello, this is Lilian Franck. 737 01:02:31,633 --> 01:02:34,377 What does it mean exactly that the New York 738 01:02:34,419 --> 01:02:37,474 Academy of Science repudiate the Chernobyl book. 739 01:02:38,941 --> 01:02:40,353 The editor tells me that the 740 01:02:40,394 --> 01:02:42,478 Academy never repudiated the book. 741 01:02:42,978 --> 01:02:45,229 He permits me to record the phone call, 742 01:02:45,427 --> 01:02:47,774 but later he withdraws his permission. 743 01:02:48,054 --> 01:02:50,259 Isn't he able to speak freely either? 744 01:02:59,505 --> 01:03:02,295 When I try to confront the WHO press spokesman 745 01:03:02,336 --> 01:03:05,066 with the statement, he doesn't take my calls. 746 01:03:05,737 --> 01:03:07,295 So he doesn't take it. 747 01:03:08,265 --> 01:03:10,931 Do you wanna try with my Italian number? 748 01:03:14,378 --> 01:03:15,882 Why not, thanks! 749 01:03:16,589 --> 01:03:18,069 Like mine? Ah yeah. 750 01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:23,319 Hi Gregory, this is Lilian, good to hear you. 751 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,883 The press spokesman refuses to give me another interview. 752 01:03:25,923 --> 01:03:27,056 I'm good and you? 753 01:03:27,278 --> 01:03:29,727 He says he's spent enough time with me already. 754 01:03:30,388 --> 01:03:31,988 I was wondering whether 755 01:03:32,290 --> 01:03:34,517 we could meet again for another interview. 756 01:03:37,236 --> 01:03:38,256 No? Why not?! 757 01:03:42,451 --> 01:03:45,459 Perhaps the publisher of the Chernobyl book can help me. 758 01:03:48,117 --> 01:03:49,246 (dialing tone) 759 01:03:50,296 --> 01:03:51,096 (Sherman) Good morning 760 01:03:51,546 --> 01:03:52,413 Good morning! 761 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,952 The original contact person at the New York Academy of Sciences 762 01:03:57,429 --> 01:03:59,699 agreed to publish the book. 763 01:04:00,188 --> 01:04:03,359 And then there was a big to-do at the 764 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,636 New York Academy and they did not 765 01:04:06,166 --> 01:04:07,925 think was a good idea. 766 01:04:08,377 --> 01:04:11,075 And I suspect that they were pressured by the 767 01:04:11,116 --> 01:04:13,696 nuclear industry but I don't know for sure. 768 01:04:15,636 --> 01:04:17,574 (music) 769 01:04:19,457 --> 01:04:22,340 How big is the influence of the nuclear industry? 770 01:04:44,383 --> 01:04:46,497 Here at home, nuclear power is also an 771 01:04:46,538 --> 01:04:48,706 important part of our own energy future. 772 01:04:49,458 --> 01:04:52,083 As you know I'm a big believer in Nuclear power. 773 01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:55,930 (typing) 774 01:05:10,792 --> 01:05:14,542 The international Atomic Energy Agency, IAEA, 775 01:05:14,614 --> 01:05:18,038 wants to promote the safe and peaceful use of atomic energy. 776 01:05:19,737 --> 01:05:23,504 Nuclear power will remain an important and viable option 777 01:05:23,545 --> 01:05:27,444 for many countries as a clean and stable source of energy. 778 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,391 (muffled voices) 779 01:05:37,674 --> 01:05:40,029 The WHO is concerned with health. 780 01:05:40,361 --> 01:05:42,099 These are different priorities 781 01:05:42,459 --> 01:05:45,472 but the two organisations are working closely together. 782 01:05:50,713 --> 01:05:54,043 For example, together with other UN organisations they are 783 01:05:54,084 --> 01:05:55,809 compiling a report about the 784 01:05:55,850 --> 01:05:57,870 health consequences of Chernobyl. 785 01:06:03,924 --> 01:06:10,549 I'm a critic of WHO and they tended not to invite critics 786 01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,894 for their two reports, one on health one on the environment. 787 01:06:15,542 --> 01:06:17,418 What kind of people are these? 788 01:06:17,833 --> 01:06:20,355 Do you know some of them or? 789 01:06:20,656 --> 01:06:22,437 Yes I know most of them. 790 01:06:24,734 --> 01:06:26,324 There's certainly a good bunch. 791 01:06:26,691 --> 01:06:28,480 But the trouble is that they are 792 01:06:29,208 --> 01:06:35,708 outweighed by the scientists from IAEA. 793 01:06:36,917 --> 01:06:38,167 And erm... 794 01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:41,424 because they're the ones who ruled 795 01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:44,369 the roost, who dictated the agenda. 796 01:06:44,902 --> 01:06:46,661 The thing was that there would be a 797 01:06:46,702 --> 01:06:48,495 whole series of informal meetings 798 01:06:48,542 --> 01:06:53,197 going on between WHO and IAEI at quite 799 01:06:53,237 --> 01:06:55,720 senior levels, very senior levels. 800 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:02,067 And they would predetermine what line they would take. 801 01:07:02,875 --> 01:07:07,475 That's why they had a WHO / IAEI meeting 802 01:07:07,515 --> 01:07:11,450 in Vienna in 2005, in October 2005 803 01:07:12,110 --> 01:07:14,144 To put the line across, this is it, 804 01:07:14,185 --> 01:07:15,483 this is what we're going to do. 805 01:07:16,375 --> 01:07:20,333 The trouble was that many, many people came opposed to all this. 806 01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,708 (music) 807 01:07:28,292 --> 01:07:32,162 Maria Neira works at the WHO. She is responsible 808 01:07:32,202 --> 01:07:34,865 for the risks of radioactive contamination. 809 01:07:35,179 --> 01:07:37,339 I deliberately make an appointment to see her in 810 01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:40,475 Paris. The press department won't get in the way here. 811 01:07:40,755 --> 01:07:43,338 To make sure she agrees to see me, I don't tell her 812 01:07:43,379 --> 01:07:45,712 what I want to talk about until we first meet. 813 01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,737 (Neira) It's like Chernobyl, there is a book 814 01:07:48,777 --> 01:07:51,376 saying that there have been 1 million deaths that 815 01:07:51,417 --> 01:07:54,139 the WHO is hiding, how can you have 1 million 816 01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:58,428 deaths, come on. Seriously, 1 million deaths. 817 01:07:59,169 --> 01:08:02,505 And then the humanity will not, I mean 1 million. 818 01:08:04,027 --> 01:08:06,424 Yeah but this is because they were looking 819 01:08:06,465 --> 01:08:08,973 at the broader part of the world population. 820 01:08:09,016 --> 01:08:10,897 Yeah but 1 million deaths, you think 821 01:08:10,938 --> 01:08:12,944 that you can hide 1 million deaths? 822 01:08:13,796 --> 01:08:15,162 Yeah but do you seriously think 823 01:08:15,202 --> 01:08:17,144 Which records, do you have mortality records? 824 01:08:17,542 --> 01:08:20,079 How can you seriously believe that 825 01:08:20,121 --> 01:08:22,802 Chernobyl accident caused 50 deaths. 826 01:08:22,915 --> 01:08:23,886 No we didn't say that. 827 01:08:24,102 --> 01:08:26,708 But it's still on the WHO website! 828 01:08:30,473 --> 01:08:32,203 (music) 829 01:08:35,581 --> 01:08:37,947 So we wrote the other report 830 01:08:39,425 --> 01:08:42,513 and the initials are TORCH which is torch. 831 01:08:43,492 --> 01:08:46,682 We said right away that we expected somewhere 832 01:08:46,723 --> 01:08:50,622 between 30 and 60,000 altogether worldwide 833 01:08:51,214 --> 01:08:52,014 future deaths. 834 01:08:52,650 --> 01:08:55,761 Because the plume from Chernobyl went right round the world. 835 01:08:57,125 --> 01:08:58,375 The northern hemisphere. 836 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,208 And whilst the concentrations were low, 837 01:09:01,250 --> 01:09:03,916 far, far away, it doesn't matter 838 01:09:03,958 --> 01:09:06,500 because there were many, many millions of people. 839 01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:10,375 There are 600 million people in Europe alone 840 01:09:11,310 --> 01:09:12,377 and they were all affected. 841 01:09:59,972 --> 01:10:02,020 Politicians who do not learn from 842 01:10:02,061 --> 01:10:05,321 history are doomed to repeat it. 843 01:10:35,448 --> 01:10:39,977 The purpose of this report was looking at the exposure 844 01:10:40,018 --> 01:10:42,918 and the doses to which people have been exposed. 845 01:10:43,082 --> 01:10:45,619 What is the risk that we can expect 846 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,032 and I think this is more human 847 01:10:48,134 --> 01:10:52,144 than trying to predict how many people will die from cancer. 848 01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:56,222 The other reason why we were not using cancer mortality 849 01:10:56,263 --> 01:10:59,799 figures but rather incidents is because as you know 850 01:10:59,986 --> 01:11:03,127 most of the cancers can now be treated and 851 01:11:03,167 --> 01:11:05,709 therefore there was no mortality associated. 852 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,208 I don't know whether you have noticed but our 853 01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:11,774 health risk assessment is only with the log of WHO. 854 01:11:11,833 --> 01:11:15,791 But I mean if once heard of the experts belonged to IAEA. 855 01:11:15,905 --> 01:11:18,793 This is kind of anticipating that those experts 856 01:11:18,833 --> 01:11:21,916 from IAEA are not on the best of their 857 01:11:21,957 --> 01:11:24,115 science, which is the case, I don't think 858 01:11:24,156 --> 01:11:26,340 they were there to represent any interest. 859 01:11:26,380 --> 01:11:28,123 I mean it was criticised that there was 860 01:11:28,167 --> 01:11:31,877 no oncologist or no radiobiologist 861 01:11:31,917 --> 01:11:34,377 also no scientist who published critical 862 01:11:34,418 --> 01:11:37,382 articles on health effect of nuclear energy. 863 01:11:37,608 --> 01:11:39,996 But when you need to do a scientific 864 01:11:40,037 --> 01:11:41,996 report, it's not a question of 865 01:11:42,037 --> 01:11:44,295 bringing an activist from the left 866 01:11:44,336 --> 01:11:46,852 wing, an activist from the right wing. 867 01:11:46,928 --> 01:11:48,456 It's a question of science. 868 01:11:48,728 --> 01:11:50,841 What's happened is that there are groups outside that 869 01:11:50,882 --> 01:11:54,843 they want to use those accidents to say you see nuclear 870 01:11:54,884 --> 01:11:59,982 energy is bad, is dangerous, why we don't stop the 871 01:12:00,023 --> 01:12:02,810 use of nuclear energy, which is a different cause. 872 01:12:02,875 --> 01:12:04,511 Do you think it could also be the other 873 01:12:04,552 --> 01:12:06,794 way round, that nuclear industry... 874 01:12:08,567 --> 01:12:12,996 tries to not to tell the whole truth about the health impacts. 875 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,859 Absolutely, I have no doubt for sure. 876 01:12:26,414 --> 01:12:28,381 (ambient sounds) 877 01:13:30,170 --> 01:13:32,229 (eerie sound) 878 01:13:49,275 --> 01:13:51,377 Of course we are not perfect but we are there 879 01:13:51,418 --> 01:13:54,752 and we are doing the best we can and with 880 01:13:54,792 --> 01:13:57,875 the support of everybody who recognises that 881 01:13:57,945 --> 01:14:00,906 there is a need for a global public health 882 01:14:02,406 --> 01:14:06,130 very heavy institution, heavy in the good sense, with weight, 883 01:14:06,535 --> 01:14:09,292 institution, powerful institution, 884 01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:11,297 it will be the best for all of us. 885 01:14:11,953 --> 01:14:15,059 And I will fight for that for the rest of 886 01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:18,401 my life. I'm a convinced public health 887 01:14:18,442 --> 01:14:20,869 officer and I think my record accredits 888 01:14:20,910 --> 01:14:24,069 that if we need to fight, I am not afraid. 889 01:15:11,328 --> 01:15:14,650 A scientist in the United States this past spring 890 01:15:14,691 --> 01:15:18,277 made the observation that this generation of children 891 01:15:19,558 --> 01:15:23,784 is the first generation in modern history that 892 01:15:23,825 --> 01:15:26,542 is not going to be as healthy as their parents. 893 01:15:29,455 --> 01:15:30,722 That should not be. 894 01:15:35,096 --> 01:15:37,151 What do I do with this knowledge now? 895 01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:39,444 Go out on the streets together with 896 01:15:39,485 --> 01:15:41,809 independent WHO, or just go home again? 897 01:15:42,673 --> 01:15:45,002 First I have to speak to the Director General. 898 01:15:45,577 --> 01:15:47,029 (dialing tone) 899 01:15:50,170 --> 01:15:51,772 I was talking to Margaret Chan for an 900 01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:55,479 interview during World Health Assembly. 901 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,771 She said yes she would like to give it 902 01:15:57,812 --> 01:16:00,570 but I didn't get any answer so far. 903 01:16:00,610 --> 01:16:05,358 I'm just concerned about WHO and it's image in the film. 904 01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:09,454 It's really important that I could talk to Margaret Chan. 905 01:16:10,332 --> 01:16:13,340 You know I'm very flexible, it doesn't have to take long time. 906 01:16:13,381 --> 01:16:14,802 (voice on phone) It's not about time it's 907 01:16:14,843 --> 01:16:17,016 about her physically being in the office. 908 01:16:18,172 --> 01:16:19,943 Hello, this is Lilian. 909 01:16:20,092 --> 01:16:22,596 Do you think we can do the interview tomorrow? 910 01:16:22,915 --> 01:16:24,461 (man on phone) Mm probably not. 911 01:16:26,827 --> 01:16:28,894 (ambient sounds and soft music) 912 01:16:29,812 --> 01:16:33,356 The queue for demands for her is so long 913 01:16:33,397 --> 01:16:35,585 that you'd be waiting another 5 years. 914 01:16:37,821 --> 01:16:39,280 (soft music) 915 01:16:54,703 --> 01:16:56,036 Am I at the end now? 916 01:16:56,773 --> 01:16:58,240 Is there any real end? 917 01:16:59,172 --> 01:17:00,839 Margaret Chan carries on. 918 01:17:03,925 --> 01:17:06,789 But I don't know I mean she is very patient to 919 01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:09,607 stay there because in my place I was goodbye. 920 01:17:09,647 --> 01:17:11,575 You are destroying, this is your business, you 921 01:17:11,616 --> 01:17:13,775 are... the organisation, I'm not going to help. 922 01:17:14,261 --> 01:17:16,278 And probably at one point she has 923 01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,374 to realise that she is helping 924 01:17:18,415 --> 01:17:23,006 and serving the interest of the people giving funds to WHO. 925 01:17:54,157 --> 01:17:55,970 (music) 926 01:17:57,155 --> 01:18:01,766 So last summer, an editor from the WHO's official 927 01:18:02,282 --> 01:18:05,592 journal world health bulletin invited me to write 928 01:18:05,633 --> 01:18:10,163 an editorial on psychological impact of the Fukushima 929 01:18:10,204 --> 01:18:13,903 accident on evacuees and I agreed to do that. 930 01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:15,985 It was rejected on the grounds that 931 01:18:16,026 --> 01:18:22,092 it contained criticism of WHO and the 932 01:18:22,242 --> 01:18:26,215 Japanese authorities. Well of course it 933 01:18:26,256 --> 01:18:30,258 did. I mean there were things wrong. 934 01:18:34,679 --> 01:18:39,431 I think the editors words were: 'the world health bulletin will 935 01:18:39,472 --> 01:18:43,851 not be a platform for such criticism, no matter how valid'. 936 01:18:45,831 --> 01:18:48,458 (music) 937 01:18:49,315 --> 01:18:51,698 So this year will you go to the World 938 01:18:51,738 --> 01:18:53,995 health assembly to the UN building? 939 01:18:54,036 --> 01:18:54,722 No. 940 01:18:54,762 --> 01:18:56,048 I'm still not allowed in. 941 01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:57,479 Why? 942 01:18:57,519 --> 01:19:01,250 Because apparently I asked too many disobliging 943 01:19:01,291 --> 01:19:03,868 questions, they won't renew my accreditation. 944 01:19:07,131 --> 01:19:08,498 I've annoyed people. 945 01:19:10,055 --> 01:19:11,337 And I have written about things 946 01:19:11,378 --> 01:19:12,974 they don't want me to write about. 947 01:19:15,198 --> 01:19:16,753 (music) 948 01:19:20,521 --> 01:19:22,875 Why did you stop working at WHO? 949 01:19:22,915 --> 01:19:23,916 I was fired. 950 01:19:24,542 --> 01:19:30,176 I was a staff association representative and we organised 951 01:19:30,216 --> 01:19:36,263 the first, it wasn't even a strike it was a go-slow in 2005 952 01:19:36,667 --> 01:19:40,292 and it was to protest against the levels of corruption 953 01:19:40,344 --> 01:19:44,812 in WHO. Nepotism, mainly nepotism. Corruption. 954 01:19:47,927 --> 01:19:49,915 And of course they were absolutely 955 01:19:49,956 --> 01:19:52,566 horrified, so it was a huge 956 01:19:52,628 --> 01:19:57,064 success, but three weeks after that, my post was abolished. 957 01:20:17,843 --> 01:20:21,139 Right, it's over to you folks, who'd 958 01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:23,863 like to start the round of questions? 959 01:20:25,292 --> 01:20:27,041 Is it on? Can you hear me? 960 01:20:27,081 --> 01:20:27,876 Yeah, ok. 961 01:20:28,167 --> 01:20:29,750 Lilian Franck, OVALmedia. 962 01:20:29,829 --> 01:20:34,922 It's a question to Dr. Chan. We just learnt that refugee 963 01:20:34,963 --> 01:20:40,413 health and climate change are huge global health challenges. 964 01:20:40,566 --> 01:20:42,694 But I'm asking myself how can we meet 965 01:20:42,735 --> 01:20:46,331 them if WHO is constantly losing power. 966 01:20:46,767 --> 01:20:51,429 Important donor nations, they want a weak WHO, one 967 01:20:51,471 --> 01:20:55,766 could even compare WHO to Titanic I would say. 968 01:20:56,070 --> 01:21:01,225 So isn't it your responsibility Dr. Chan 969 01:21:01,429 --> 01:21:03,871 to step down before the end of your second 970 01:21:03,912 --> 01:21:07,091 term in order to signal to the world that 971 01:21:07,132 --> 01:21:10,158 your organisation, you ship is sinking. 972 01:21:13,766 --> 01:21:15,766 You ask an excellent question. 973 01:21:16,782 --> 01:21:17,787 If I tell you 974 01:21:18,448 --> 01:21:21,745 WHO as an organisation, only 30 percent 975 01:21:21,786 --> 01:21:25,634 of my budget is predictable funds. 976 01:21:26,355 --> 01:21:29,749 Other 70 percent I have to take a hat and 977 01:21:29,790 --> 01:21:32,572 go around to world to beg for money. 978 01:21:33,476 --> 01:21:36,651 And when they give us the money they are highly 979 01:21:36,692 --> 01:21:40,302 linked to their preferences, what they like. 980 01:21:40,708 --> 01:21:44,833 It may not be the priority of WHO so if we do not solve 981 01:21:44,875 --> 01:21:52,167 this, you know, we are not going to be as great as we were. 982 01:21:56,131 --> 01:21:57,595 (music) 72329

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