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Subtitles by explosiveskull
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I still think that
it's accurate to say I've
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murdered more people on film
than any actor in history.
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Unless somebody can dispute
that, but I doubt it.
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And if you do, I'll
fucking kill you.
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You know, I'm not sure
why I enjoy horror
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so much, but I really
do and I always have.
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People like to be
scared when it's in
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the safety of their
own home or a theater.
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They don't really have
to take it with them,
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but sometimes I think
the most effective
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horror movies are
ones that you do
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in fact take out
of the theater in
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your mind and it stays with you.
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We don't address death.
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And I remember
thinking I was gonna
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live forever when
I was young too.
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I think I can't believe I lived
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through some of the
adventures I had.
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The horror movie makes
us confront death.
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It's one of the
few places we do.
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You certainly don't do it
in America's Got Talent
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or Dancing with the
Stars or The Kardashians,
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but you do deal with
death in a horror movie.
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And if you go to a
horror movie, if you sit
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in the dark with other
people, there's a
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collective catharsis
that's in the air
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and the energy in the the air.
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It's a really great experience.
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Kinda like riding
a rollercoaster,
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you know the big hill
is coming and you know
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you're gonna be rushing down
it, but you still do it.
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It's this great
thing that can happen,
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and you share it,
and you share that
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moment of really confronting
your own mortality.
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I think that's really
the key and really
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why the horror movie
will always be with us,
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it's the place to do
that a little bit.
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I think a lot of
people get labeled
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horror icons because
they happen to
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play a role in a
film that ended up
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gaining a lot of
notoriety or becoming
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a franchise or
whatever it may be.
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Well Kane actually
legitimately loves this stuff,
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and I think the fact that,
look, he played Jason,
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and Jason is a huge
character, but he really
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held the torch for
Jason for a long time.
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He was doing the
conventions, the other
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guys weren't, not at that time.
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It's kinda ironic
'cause you meet a lot
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of these people who
play heroes and people
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who play bad guys,
most of the people that
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I've met who play
heroes are assholes
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and most of the people who play
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really bad people are nice guy.
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It's kinda funny.
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What I admire about
what Kane has done
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is Kane has
transcended the role.
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He is Kane.
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He has made a brand
name for himself.
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Kane Hodder, plus it's
just a cool kickass name.
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Kane being the
Hawaiian word for man.
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I think it's kinda
cool considering
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I grew up in the South Pacific,
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my first name is really
Hawaiian, because a lot
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of people think it's not
my real name, that it's
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a stage name or something,
but it really is my real name.
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The island of
Kwajalein in the Pacific
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where an anti-ballistic missile
system is being perfected.
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This artist conception shows a
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typical operating missile site
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whose job will be
to guard against any
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possible nuclear attack
from Communist China.
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I met Kane in 1971.
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We both lived on an
island called Kwajalein.
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Both of our parents
were assigned there.
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It's a military base and they
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had other companies
out there for support.
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It was just an
amazing place to live.
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An oasis in the
real world really.
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I played all kinds of sports.
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The tough thing with playing
high school sports is
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that we had to play in men's
leagues in every sport.
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When you're 16 playing
varsity basketball
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against a men's team,
that's not easy.
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Every once in a
while, certain sports
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like basketball, we
would go to Hawaii
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for a trip and play
a couple high schools
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which was incredible
for us because we had
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never competed against
another high school team.
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We made a road trip to Hawaii,
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there was only 12
of us that went.
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It was a fun trip
because it was just
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fun playing other
high school students
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for one thing 'cause
then we did much better,
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and then we had a
lot of free time.
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On one of the days a bunch of us
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went to a hotel and
we wanted to see
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what the view looked
like from high up
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in the hotel and there
was, on each floor,
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outside the stairwell
there was a balcony
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you could just walk
out to, you didn't
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have to have a room to
get on that balcony.
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We went up to the 35th
floor of the hotel
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and we're looking around
and I thought hey,
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another golden opportunity
to entertain my friends.
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I thought how fun
would it be for
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me on that 35th floor balcony to
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climb on the outside
of the railing.
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So I'm holding onto
the railing like this
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with my feet on the
deck, but that's
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the balcony, I'm out
here over just air.
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My friends started
freaking out and that
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entertained me
greatly, so while I'm
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holding on like this
I thought even more
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scary would be to talk
to them, go what's
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the matter, and then
grab on before I fell.
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Now 350 feet down.
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Sometimes I'm even
amazed that I did this
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'cause it's not very
bright, but I saw their
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reaction to that and I
did it one more time,
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guys I'm fine, and then
grab on before I fell.
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They took off, they went
back into the hotel,
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went back down, they
were freaking out,
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and I thought man, that
is entertaining for me.
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There were several incidents
like that on Kwajalein.
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He was a troublemaker.
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To make people have
that kind of reaction
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because I'm doing
something that I thought
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was easy 'cause
I've never really
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had a fear of heights
at all, I just
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found it so much fun to
do that with those guys.
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I didn't know about Kane's
bullying before the book,
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and even after we
talked about it, it took
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a long time for him
to open up and really
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discuss the bullying and
how much it affected him.
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During the elementary
school years,
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when I was 10 and 11, I
was a meek, quiet kid.
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I started getting
picked on a lot.
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It became very severe.
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There was a story
that happened when
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my buddy and I went
to the community pool
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during the summer
to go swimming.
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It was over at the park.
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We went over there
and swam all day
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and then we were
getting ready to leave
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and we saw three
kids staring at us
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that we didn't
know, they weren't
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from our school,
and for some reason
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they came over and beat
the hell out of us.
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I unfortunately got
the worst end of it.
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There was three of
them and they were
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much older than us
and just beat me
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so badly that the next
day my face was so
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swollen that it was
hard to recognize me.
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It was so bad that he
was embarrassed by it,
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and he should've
went to the hospital,
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but he didn't even wanna
show his mom, so he
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hid in his room and
suffered with all the pain.
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I just couldn't figure
out why they were doing it
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because we hadn't
done anything to make
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them mad, or to do
anything against them
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in any way, they just
seemed to do it for fun.
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I don't know if that
spawned other people
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to do it from my
school, but then I
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started getting
bullied all the time.
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In I think it was
seventh grade I was
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caught by a guy that
had been harassing me
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and bullying me
who had thrown up
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in a baggy earlier
in the day because
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he was sick and threw
it on the ground and
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after school thought
it would be funny if he
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poured it in my face while
other people watched.
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Everybody thought
that was hilarious.
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Except me of course.
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That's the way it was.
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I mean there was
always the typical
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pushing around, calling
names, slamming head
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into a locker, stuff
like that, but it's
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sad to say those
were the things that
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didn't bother me
anymore, that was minor.
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I didn't say anything
because I was embarrassed to.
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It's hard to admit to
someone that you allowed
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this to happen because
technically you did.
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There's nothing
you can do about it
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because you just
don't have what it
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takes inside of you to
stand up for yourself.
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So you're embarrassed by it.
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Very often the
response is well just
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stand up for yourself,
just hit them back.
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Very easy to say, but
unless you've been
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bullied you don't understand how
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impossibly difficult
that can be at times.
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When a kid is severely
bullied and ends up
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committing suicide
as a result of that,
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it's my opinion that
happens not because
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the kid is scared,
or even worried about
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anything further
happening, it's that
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the kid starts thinking
they're worthless
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because they don't do
anything to stop it.
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Until you've been
there, you don't
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understand how
impossible that can feel.
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And then you start
hating yourself.
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And then you say you
know what, fuck this.
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I don't need to go
through this anymore.
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I'm worthless, I
don't do anything
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to stop, and they
end their lives.
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Eventually after
years, I don't know
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how I did this,
and I just somehow
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snapped and I swung
and I punched him.
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I couldn't even
believe I did it.
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It didn't even seem like
me doing it, it seemed
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like I was outside my
body watching me do this.
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I punched him not
very effectively
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and I got the shit
beat out of me
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because of it, but I went home
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feeling better about
myself because I tried.
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So I thought hey, you
know what, I lost a fight.
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I felt better.
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Mentally that turned
me around and somehow
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I started to let it
happen less and less.
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Eventually it stopped.
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After I graduated from
Kwajalein High School,
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while I was going to
college at UNR, Nevada-Reno,
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I saw a sign in my
dorm looking for
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extras for a movie,
and I thought
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that might be
interesting to go down
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there and just see
how movies are filmed.
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So I went downtown
Reno and was able to
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work on the film, it was
called California Split.
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George Segal and Elliott Gould.
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I was just an extra
in the crowd, and I
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was fascinated by the
process of filmmaking.
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I worked on it for a
day and then thought
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that was fun, and I had
classes the next day,
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so I blew off those
classes and went
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back and worked
on the movie again
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just 'cause I had so
much fun doing it.
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It was the only time in my
life I've ever been an extra.
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Even though that was
only 1974, it was
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the start of my
interest in film by far.
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It was the very first
thing because the
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following year I went
to visit my buddy Mike,
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and Mike lived in Los
Angeles and he said
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let's go to Universal
Studios and go on the tour.
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I loved it, I just loved
being on the backlot.
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I wanted so badly
to get off the tram
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and just wander
around by myself.
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Then the tour was
over and we went
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to a couple of the
live shows, one of
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which was the wild west
stunt show at Universal.
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We watched the show
and that was it.
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As soon as that show was over
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I said that's what I wanna do.
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And I knew it.
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From that moment.
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Once he gets
something in his head,
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and sorry Kane, but
it just stays there.
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No matter what you say to him,
you can't change his mind.
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Very fortune of
course over the years
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to get to where I've
gotten, but I've also
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worked hard, it wasn't
handed to me in any way.
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On a professional
level, I love the fact
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that he takes these
parts so seriously.
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There's a lot of
times, especially with
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producers or studio
execs where they'll
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say whoever is gonna be
this villain, we just need
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a big, menacing, physical
presence, preferably a
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stunt guy who can take
hits and punishment.
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Kane really gets into
it and that's why
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the characters he
plays are memorable.
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Did a movie called
Prison in 1987.
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I was happy to be the
stunt coordinator on it,
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it was a great movie
stunt wise, and then at
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the end of the
shooting John Buechler,
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who was doing the makeup
effects, said we have to
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have a guy in the full
body prostetic makeup.
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The wrongly executed
prisoner comes
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out of the ground strapped
to an electric chair
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and he has full
makeup head to toe,
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prosthetics, dentures,
lenses, everything.
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And I said well I've
never done it, I'm happy
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to do it 'cause it's
not a comfortable thing.
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I'd actually designed
it on another actor,
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but when I went to
Wyoming I saw that Kane...
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I think he had the chops for it.
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I put everything on, it took
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3 1/2 hours to
put everything on,
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and then Randy
said you know what
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would be really
cool, since this is
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a corpse that has been
buried, he said why
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don't we put live
nightcrawlers all over you.
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I said how could would it be if
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I had live worms in my mouth?
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He's like you would do that?
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I said yeah, I still don't
think that was a big deal.
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He went nuts with it really.
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So I put them in my
mouth and did the shot.
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I think that Randy
and John Buechler both
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were impressed at my enthusiasm
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for working in that
kind of makeup.
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John in particular liked
how I moved in the makeup.
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The thing I noticed
about Kane during Prison
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was that he worked
with the makeup.
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It's one thing to design a
cool looking creature effect.
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It's another thing to
have it performed well.
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Aside from being
an amazing stuntman
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and a really fine
actor, he works with
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the appliances and he tries to
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do as much as he can with them.
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That stuck with me.
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So that's 1987, the
following year John Buechler
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is hired to direct Friday
the 13th Part Seven,
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and immediately says I got the
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guy that I want to play Jason.
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I wanted Kane.
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I knew that he could
act, and I knew that
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he could really work
with the appliances,
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and I wanted to take
the mask off of Jason.
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I wanted people to see
how pissed off he was.
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The thing I gave to the Friday
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the 13th movies was
the rage of Jason.
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The makeup for Part
Seven was my favorite look.
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Very very well done makeup.
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It created the
illusion that when he
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opened his mouth you
saw him through holes.
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The very first shot
I ever did as Jason
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in Part Seven being
my first movie was
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the single shot where
Tina has a vision and sees
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Michael being stabbed in
the kitchen of the house.
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That is the very first
thing I ever shot as Jason.
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When I put that stuff
on and went to the set
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it felt so natural,
and people are gonna go
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oh my God, he's so full
of shit, but really,
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it felt right for me to
be wearing that stuff.
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But I wanted to do whatever I
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could to make the
movie look good.
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To this day it's
still my favorite
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look of Jason, of
all of them really.
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Certainly of the ones I did.
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There had been six films before
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I ever came into the picture.
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So the Friday the 13th name,
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the Jason name, were
known worldwide.
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For me to be able to
step into that role,
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how do you not consider
that a huge honor?
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And you better do it justice.
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You're given an
opportunity of a lifetime,
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so you need to do whatever
you can to add to that.
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He brings this special
focus, I think, to Jason.
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When I first put the
makeup on and looked
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in the mirror, I thought
when Jason is staring at
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someone and not moving,
he looks like a mannequin.
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I said what can I
do to still do that
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same stare but add
life to the character?
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I don't think people
understand how hard
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that is to make
anything, a lot of it's
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just the movement,
a little movement.
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A lot of it's in the eyes.
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He gets in front
of that mirror and he
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looks at the makeup
and he figures
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out what he can do with it.
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He pushes the limits
and he talks to
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the makeup artist,
can I do this, will it
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hurt the makeup, I mean
he's very specific.
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I came up with
the breathing thing
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so instead of this you see this.
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To me, that made
it look like the
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character was about
to spring any moment.
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Even though he's
motionless staring at you,
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the heaving chest
looked scary as hell
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and people have
said that's one of
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my signature things that I do,
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but I just thought it worked.
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Kane owns that,
and I think that it's
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very special and I
think that most fans
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immediately can
tell if it's some
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other person wearing
the mask and why
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it's important for
true fans, I think,
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that they really respond
to the way Kane did it.
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I remember the
first time I seen him
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and he was just
breathing and taking
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in air and I was like
oh my God, oh my God.
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I'm not gonna sleep
tonight, motherfucker.
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That Jason's just a predator.
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That's it.
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It's like an automatic need.
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Just pure nihilistic,
must destroy.
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There's something
about the way Kane
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plays that focus
that's really fun.
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I have never in my
life broken a bone.
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Which I'm proud of
because I always
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think it's funny
that stunt people
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brag about how many
bones they've broken.
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Isn't the whole point to
do a stunt successfully?
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'Cause anybody can be crazy and
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just go do something
and get hurt,
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but the whole point is to have a
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stunt career successful
that you don't get hurt.
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00:21:19,409 --> 00:21:20,408
I always find it funny when guys
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00:21:20,410 --> 00:21:23,844
say yeah, I broke 225 bones.
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00:21:23,846 --> 00:21:25,346
You're not very
good then, are you?
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00:21:25,348 --> 00:21:27,981
Kane is perhaps
the safest stunt
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00:21:27,983 --> 00:21:29,817
coordinator that you'll
ever wanna work with.
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00:21:29,819 --> 00:21:33,854
He is very strong, very
firm, very creative on a set.
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00:21:33,856 --> 00:21:36,458
He can figure out
something ridiculous
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00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:40,661
and over the top instantly.
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00:21:40,663 --> 00:21:43,931
There was a scene
written where as Jason
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I chase Tina up the
stairs, she goes up
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the top of the
stairs where the door
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of course is locked
and there's no escape.
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So I come up the
stairs, the way it was
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00:21:55,746 --> 00:21:58,046
written in the
script was she makes
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the light start moving
and it swings and
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00:22:00,150 --> 00:22:04,017
hits me in the chest and
I tumble down the stairs.
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00:22:04,019 --> 00:22:08,690
I mean Kane doesn't
do things 50%.
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00:22:08,692 --> 00:22:11,593
He does things 150%.
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00:22:11,595 --> 00:22:13,061
You tell him to scrub a floor,
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he'll scrub the shit
out of that floor.
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And I said to Buechler
I said that's not
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00:22:17,634 --> 00:22:20,602
too bad, but how cool
would it be if that
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00:22:20,604 --> 00:22:22,737
thing just swings
and hits me right in
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the face, in the
mask, and then I just
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fall back like a tree and
I go through the stairs.
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00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,613
He goes wow, you
can do that, and I
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said I think so, I think
it would look great.
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00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:38,753
I think it's more in
character of Jason.
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00:22:38,755 --> 00:22:41,756
Tumbling down the stairs
I think looks too human.
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00:22:41,758 --> 00:22:44,592
Take the hit and then
fall straight back
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00:22:44,594 --> 00:22:46,760
onto their staircase,
that's one of
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00:22:46,762 --> 00:22:48,896
my favorite shots in
the movie as well.
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It must've been
difficult, but you could
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never tell by the
way he performed.
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He never showed the
discomfort or the
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difficulty, he was
always 100% performance.
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00:23:02,179 --> 00:23:06,680
We're at the lake set, this
is in Bay Minette, Alabama.
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To go to the dressing
rooms I would always
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walk through the woods,
and whenever I was
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00:23:11,188 --> 00:23:13,121
in character in any
of the movies I like
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to leave the mask on
and stay in character.
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2 o'clock in the morning
one night or something,
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00:23:20,696 --> 00:23:25,065
walking on the trail,
I saw someone coming
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00:23:25,067 --> 00:23:27,605
to the set, someone
who I didn't recognize.
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00:23:28,538 --> 00:23:32,073
And I thought this might be fun.
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00:23:32,075 --> 00:23:34,508
So I stopped on the
trail, still had
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the mask on, everything,
and I stared at him.
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00:23:39,249 --> 00:23:41,649
He uttered the most ridiculous
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00:23:41,651 --> 00:23:45,953
question I think
I've ever heard.
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00:23:45,955 --> 00:23:47,956
He looked at me,
in all that makeup,
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00:23:47,958 --> 00:23:51,429
and said excuse me,
are you with the movie?
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00:23:52,863 --> 00:23:54,996
That's a dumb
bastard right there.
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00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:57,699
So I just stared at
him and he started
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00:23:57,701 --> 00:23:59,601
looking around, yeah,
you're with the movie right?
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And that's when I rushed at him.
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00:24:02,071 --> 00:24:03,805
He took off running back to the
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trucks, I never saw him again.
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00:24:05,775 --> 00:24:09,911
But the next day, just
talking to Buechler
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00:24:09,913 --> 00:24:12,247
before we started,
he said hey, you know
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00:24:12,249 --> 00:24:15,850
that local sheriff never
showed up last night.
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00:24:15,852 --> 00:24:18,823
I said oh, hmm, I
wonder what happened.
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00:24:22,893 --> 00:24:25,259
For a long long
time, my all time
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00:24:25,261 --> 00:24:27,761
favorite kill was a Jason kill.
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00:24:27,763 --> 00:24:28,630
The sleeping bag.
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00:24:28,632 --> 00:24:29,296
The sleeping bag.
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Sleeping bag.
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00:24:30,165 --> 00:24:31,032
Sleeping bag.
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00:24:31,034 --> 00:24:31,900
Sleeping bag.
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00:24:31,902 --> 00:24:32,767
Sleeping bag.
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00:24:32,769 --> 00:24:33,901
The sleeping bag.
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Sleeping bag
kill in Part Seven.
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00:24:36,038 --> 00:24:37,071
The sleeping bag is one of the
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00:24:37,073 --> 00:24:38,773
most classic ones in history.
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I killed somebody
with something
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00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:43,143
that's not a weapon,
that's pretty amazing.
475
00:24:43,145 --> 00:24:45,747
And it was just such
an impactful kill
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00:24:45,749 --> 00:24:49,116
in the theaters, I went
to the Chinese Theater
477
00:24:49,118 --> 00:24:51,018
in Hollywood when
the movie opened,
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00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:53,888
just anonymously
sat in the back,
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00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:57,225
and when that kill
came up opening night,
480
00:24:57,227 --> 00:24:59,760
I watched half the
audience stand up
481
00:24:59,762 --> 00:25:01,629
high-fiving each
other and stuff,
482
00:25:01,631 --> 00:25:03,968
I said wow, that was a
pretty amazing feeling.
483
00:25:08,738 --> 00:25:09,903
One of Kane's most legendary
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00:25:09,905 --> 00:25:12,840
stunts is his burn
in Part Seven.
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00:25:12,842 --> 00:25:15,309
At the time it was a
record long fire burn,
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00:25:15,311 --> 00:25:17,045
the entire thing is on screen.
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00:25:17,047 --> 00:25:18,912
And I thought let's
make it a little
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different than what
you normally see
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00:25:20,616 --> 00:25:23,351
because you typically
never saw the
490
00:25:23,353 --> 00:25:28,558
ignition of the stunt
person on camera.
491
00:25:29,692 --> 00:25:30,959
It always cut from
somebody making
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00:25:30,961 --> 00:25:33,094
a reaction, then it cut to the
493
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person on fire
already moving around.
494
00:25:36,231 --> 00:25:39,667
This girl has telekinetic
powers, so why
495
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:44,072
don't we have her make
the fire blast out
496
00:25:44,074 --> 00:25:48,375
of the furnace and
ignite Jason on camera.
497
00:25:48,377 --> 00:25:51,345
And Buechler was like
wow, I've never seen
498
00:25:51,347 --> 00:25:52,947
that really, and
I said I haven't
499
00:25:52,949 --> 00:25:54,849
either, so that's
why I wanna do it.
500
00:25:54,851 --> 00:25:57,285
We did the ignition of
the character on fire
501
00:25:57,287 --> 00:26:00,020
with a propane
cannon, then I started
502
00:26:00,022 --> 00:26:02,155
stumbling around
doing my acting,
503
00:26:02,157 --> 00:26:04,859
which I always love
doing, and ultimately
504
00:26:04,861 --> 00:26:09,229
by the time I went down,
because I was going
505
00:26:09,231 --> 00:26:11,365
by the feel of it,
I had been on fire
506
00:26:11,367 --> 00:26:14,038
so long that the
fuel is almost gone.
507
00:26:15,872 --> 00:26:19,172
I was on fire for
44 seconds which is,
508
00:26:19,174 --> 00:26:22,176
if you watch your watch
for 44 seconds and
509
00:26:22,178 --> 00:26:24,911
imagine being completely
engulfed in flames
510
00:26:24,913 --> 00:26:27,981
for that long, it's an
incredibly long time
511
00:26:27,983 --> 00:26:31,652
and it set some kind
of records at the time.
512
00:26:31,654 --> 00:26:34,221
To this day it's probably
my favorite fire stunt.
513
00:26:34,223 --> 00:26:37,392
And not only is it an
amazing on screen fire burn,
514
00:26:37,394 --> 00:26:40,428
it's a stunt done by
someone who almost died
515
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:43,430
from a fire burn, so
it's really poetic.
516
00:26:43,432 --> 00:26:45,333
I mean you have
to admit that in
517
00:26:45,335 --> 00:26:47,000
Friday the 13th
Part Seven he gave
518
00:26:47,002 --> 00:26:48,969
one of the most
spectacular full body
519
00:26:48,971 --> 00:26:50,807
burns you've ever
seen in your life.
520
00:26:51,974 --> 00:26:54,776
This from a man who
was burnt horribly.
521
00:26:54,778 --> 00:26:57,444
I always say that one
of the best qualities
522
00:26:57,446 --> 00:27:01,982
to have as a stunt
person is a common sense
523
00:27:01,984 --> 00:27:06,990
knowledge of physics
where you think of
524
00:27:08,124 --> 00:27:09,289
a stunt and you
anticipate what's
525
00:27:09,291 --> 00:27:11,258
gonna happen and
what could go wrong.
526
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:13,428
That's a huge
attribute in the stunt
527
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:15,729
business to think
well what if this
528
00:27:15,731 --> 00:27:17,030
happens, then what
are we gonna do?
529
00:27:17,032 --> 00:27:18,635
So then you prepare for that.
530
00:27:19,769 --> 00:27:22,769
Maybe I learned much
more from my mistake,
531
00:27:22,771 --> 00:27:27,778
but at the time you have
to protect yourself.
532
00:27:31,346 --> 00:27:34,047
Basically until
the book came out
533
00:27:34,049 --> 00:27:36,787
I never admitted the real story.
534
00:27:39,489 --> 00:27:41,122
Because he knew
for the first time
535
00:27:41,124 --> 00:27:43,794
ever he had to face the truth.
536
00:27:44,961 --> 00:27:46,393
He was embarrassed
about it for years,
537
00:27:46,395 --> 00:27:48,796
he lied, he told
stories to other people
538
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:50,030
that it was on the set of this,
539
00:27:50,032 --> 00:27:53,101
on the set of that,
he made up different
540
00:27:53,103 --> 00:27:56,237
situations how it
happened, but no one knew.
541
00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:58,171
It was really this
powerful moment with
542
00:27:58,173 --> 00:28:00,475
me and him when he
finally decided he
543
00:28:00,477 --> 00:28:02,008
could tell the world and open up
544
00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:04,211
and tell the story
and not be embarrassed
545
00:28:04,213 --> 00:28:05,880
about it anymore, that
he's matured enough
546
00:28:05,882 --> 00:28:08,285
to face the facts and
tell the full story.
547
00:28:18,928 --> 00:28:21,261
Since I had officially
gotten into SAG
548
00:28:21,263 --> 00:28:24,265
and done a TV show,
that's when I talked
549
00:28:24,267 --> 00:28:26,467
to this reporter and
she said let's do
550
00:28:26,469 --> 00:28:28,469
a story about the
local kid that's
551
00:28:28,471 --> 00:28:31,506
making his way in
the stunt business.
552
00:28:31,508 --> 00:28:33,074
I'll give you some
pictures and if you
553
00:28:33,076 --> 00:28:35,746
want I'll do a fire
stunt for you live.
554
00:28:37,113 --> 00:28:38,845
She said really and I said sure,
555
00:28:38,847 --> 00:28:40,250
I've been doing it no problem.
556
00:28:41,518 --> 00:28:44,852
We went out, it
was just her and I.
557
00:28:44,854 --> 00:28:46,988
We happened to pick a
place that was, where I was
558
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:50,792
doing the fire stunt, it
was right next to a lake.
559
00:28:50,794 --> 00:28:52,860
Six feet away from the lake.
560
00:28:52,862 --> 00:28:55,830
But because it was the
lake it was real windy.
561
00:28:55,832 --> 00:28:58,298
We did the stunt
and I was on fire
562
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,101
and I put myself out no problem.
563
00:29:00,103 --> 00:29:02,003
I knew that I wasn't
gonna be happy with it
564
00:29:02,005 --> 00:29:03,871
because the wind
was blowing so hard
565
00:29:03,873 --> 00:29:05,373
it was blowing the flames down,
566
00:29:05,375 --> 00:29:07,877
so I didn't think it
looked as dramatic.
567
00:29:09,011 --> 00:29:10,344
Too bad I didn't
just settle with it.
568
00:29:10,346 --> 00:29:11,879
So the next day they went to a
569
00:29:11,881 --> 00:29:13,581
different area in
the desert, not near
570
00:29:13,583 --> 00:29:16,017
the lake, not near
the water, he had
571
00:29:16,019 --> 00:29:18,286
no safety stuff with
him, it was just him,
572
00:29:18,288 --> 00:29:21,154
his lighter, and the
biggest mistake he did
573
00:29:21,156 --> 00:29:24,892
was he couldn't afford
rubber cement at the time.
574
00:29:24,894 --> 00:29:26,561
Even though it was a
few bucks he was broke
575
00:29:26,563 --> 00:29:28,129
trying to struggle in Hollywood.
576
00:29:28,131 --> 00:29:31,364
I said I ran out of
glue, can you get me some.
577
00:29:31,366 --> 00:29:33,366
The reporter
brought some from the
578
00:29:33,368 --> 00:29:34,901
office saying here you
go, here's some rubber
579
00:29:34,903 --> 00:29:37,138
cement so you don't have
to spend your own money.
580
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:39,039
Having never used
that brand before,
581
00:29:39,041 --> 00:29:42,176
Kane didn't realize
how flammable it was.
582
00:29:42,178 --> 00:29:45,580
I got all prepped
and ready and I
583
00:29:45,582 --> 00:29:49,283
went to light myself,
which is normally,
584
00:29:49,285 --> 00:29:50,584
when I would do
this you'd have to
585
00:29:50,586 --> 00:29:53,587
touch the glue with the
flame to make it ignite.
586
00:29:53,589 --> 00:29:55,523
He put his arm out
away from himself to
587
00:29:55,525 --> 00:29:58,959
be safe, and when he lit
the match he ignited.
588
00:29:58,961 --> 00:30:01,164
Completely burst
into flames everywhere.
589
00:30:04,534 --> 00:30:08,134
You always see stop, drop,
and roll on TV commercials
590
00:30:08,136 --> 00:30:13,143
and stuff, and that's a
nice theory, but the thing
591
00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:15,610
that people don't
understand, unless you've
592
00:30:15,612 --> 00:30:18,211
been on fire, is that
when your head is in
593
00:30:18,213 --> 00:30:22,149
the flames, and you can
hear your hair burning
594
00:30:22,151 --> 00:30:23,450
and you can feel
your face burning
595
00:30:23,452 --> 00:30:25,888
and your ears burning, you run.
596
00:30:27,022 --> 00:30:30,024
It's not the right thing
to do, it's a reflex.
597
00:30:30,026 --> 00:30:32,093
And every person that
I've ever talked to
598
00:30:32,095 --> 00:30:34,495
that's been burned
seriously in the upper body
599
00:30:34,497 --> 00:30:36,500
says the same thing, they ran.
600
00:30:40,569 --> 00:30:42,969
As I'm running and
burning, she doesn't
601
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:45,640
realize I'm out of
control and in trouble,
602
00:30:45,642 --> 00:30:47,674
so she keeps snapping
pictures, and again,
603
00:30:47,676 --> 00:30:50,544
I don't blame her in the
least for any of this,
604
00:30:50,546 --> 00:30:53,314
but she didn't realize
until I started
605
00:30:53,316 --> 00:30:57,517
screaming probably
that I was in trouble.
606
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,388
Then I somehow got
my wits about me and
607
00:31:00,390 --> 00:31:02,422
realized there was
some kind of dampness
608
00:31:02,424 --> 00:31:04,392
on the ground, dove
into there and rolled
609
00:31:04,394 --> 00:31:05,992
around and finally
got myself put out.
610
00:31:05,994 --> 00:31:08,129
And when he finally
was conscious enough
611
00:31:08,131 --> 00:31:10,197
to see the reporter,
the reporter looked at
612
00:31:10,199 --> 00:31:13,100
him and that's when he
knew how horrible it was.
613
00:31:13,102 --> 00:31:16,036
All my clothes that
I had on were gone.
614
00:31:16,038 --> 00:31:19,440
My skin was falling off,
I had mud all over me
615
00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:24,178
from the ground that was
falling off with my skin.
616
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:27,681
I knew I was in
very very bad shape.
617
00:31:27,683 --> 00:31:30,383
She said let's go,
we got in her jeep,
618
00:31:30,385 --> 00:31:33,286
we said we gotta get
somewhere to get some help
619
00:31:33,288 --> 00:31:35,957
because this is very
serious, my face
620
00:31:35,959 --> 00:31:38,161
was burned, everything,
my hair was gone.
621
00:31:39,561 --> 00:31:41,562
We're driving in the
jeep out of the desert
622
00:31:41,564 --> 00:31:44,398
and the first thing we
see is a fire station.
623
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,299
I think oh perfect.
624
00:31:46,301 --> 00:31:48,068
We go there, we
bang on the door,
625
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:49,703
we try and get, nobody answers.
626
00:31:49,705 --> 00:31:51,538
So we got back in
the car, we went to
627
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,442
the first house we could get to.
628
00:31:58,681 --> 00:32:00,317
The photographer...
629
00:32:02,417 --> 00:32:04,151
Sorry.
630
00:32:04,153 --> 00:32:06,656
Photographer knocks on the
door and a lady answers.
631
00:32:08,124 --> 00:32:11,726
And she looked at me terrified
and says get in here.
632
00:32:11,728 --> 00:32:14,327
And I said what, she
goes get in the shower,
633
00:32:14,329 --> 00:32:15,629
stand in my shower,
I'll call the
634
00:32:15,631 --> 00:32:17,701
ambulance and they'll
come and get you.
635
00:32:22,171 --> 00:32:23,403
I do that.
636
00:32:38,755 --> 00:32:40,490
As I walk through the house...
637
00:32:54,369 --> 00:32:55,204
Sorry.
638
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,210
As I walk through the house
there's a little girl.
639
00:33:10,385 --> 00:33:13,821
Sitting on the floor playing
and she was terrified.
640
00:33:13,823 --> 00:33:17,057
And I don't blame her,
I mean the way I looked.
641
00:33:17,059 --> 00:33:18,528
She was scared to death.
642
00:33:34,676 --> 00:33:36,443
Kept looking out the
shower, looking at
643
00:33:36,445 --> 00:33:39,682
my eyes thinking why
does this not hurt yet.
644
00:33:42,184 --> 00:33:44,552
I was just astounded
that I knew I was
645
00:33:44,554 --> 00:33:47,254
severely injured and
there was no pain.
646
00:33:47,256 --> 00:33:50,594
But I kept waiting for
something to start hurting.
647
00:33:51,827 --> 00:33:53,693
The ambulance finally
came, I walked
648
00:33:53,695 --> 00:33:55,395
back out, the girl
wasn't there anymore
649
00:33:55,397 --> 00:33:57,565
thank God 'cause
I felt horrible.
650
00:33:57,567 --> 00:34:00,567
I felt worse for her
than I did for myself.
651
00:34:00,569 --> 00:34:03,306
Was three years old or
something, just scared to death.
652
00:34:05,708 --> 00:34:07,740
Got in the ambulance
and sat up the
653
00:34:07,742 --> 00:34:10,311
whole time in the ambulance
all the way there.
654
00:34:10,313 --> 00:34:13,179
As it turns out, when
you burn that badly
655
00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:14,447
you burn the nerves
completely off
656
00:34:14,449 --> 00:34:17,617
and there's no pain for a while.
657
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:20,589
The next day it was
incredible and didn't stop.
658
00:34:25,795 --> 00:34:28,762
That basically started the next
659
00:34:28,764 --> 00:34:32,602
six months of horrific torture.
660
00:34:34,436 --> 00:34:35,605
Can we cut for a second?
661
00:34:46,548 --> 00:34:48,715
Once the pain started after the
662
00:34:48,717 --> 00:34:52,619
initial shock wore
off, it was so
663
00:34:52,621 --> 00:34:56,222
much more than I
ever anticipated.
664
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:58,892
So much worse than
you can even imagine.
665
00:34:58,894 --> 00:35:02,431
The worst part of this was
he had no painkillers in him.
666
00:35:03,565 --> 00:35:04,831
He didn't know at the
time, but his father
667
00:35:04,833 --> 00:35:07,367
pulled aside the
doctor and asked him
668
00:35:07,369 --> 00:35:08,802
not to give him any painkillers.
669
00:35:08,804 --> 00:35:10,436
And the doctor
went along with that.
670
00:35:10,438 --> 00:35:12,805
I'm not sure why he
didn't just say no,
671
00:35:12,807 --> 00:35:15,244
he needs pain medication
to get through this.
672
00:35:16,746 --> 00:35:20,914
I had less medication
than I should have had.
673
00:35:20,916 --> 00:35:22,650
And the reason for
that was his father
674
00:35:22,652 --> 00:35:25,920
was in The War and
he saw all his fellow
675
00:35:25,922 --> 00:35:28,555
soldiers who came
back with injuries
676
00:35:28,557 --> 00:35:29,889
who got addicted to
painkillers and he
677
00:35:29,891 --> 00:35:31,791
was scared that was
gonna happen to Kane.
678
00:35:31,793 --> 00:35:33,693
And I know my
dad was just trying
679
00:35:33,695 --> 00:35:35,195
to look out for
my best interest,
680
00:35:35,197 --> 00:35:36,664
he didn't want me
to become addicted
681
00:35:36,666 --> 00:35:38,632
to stuff, but that's
something you have
682
00:35:38,634 --> 00:35:39,867
to worry about later,
you have to get
683
00:35:39,869 --> 00:35:41,869
rid of the pain so you can heal.
684
00:35:41,871 --> 00:35:46,876
But the pain itself was so
unbelievably tremendous.
685
00:35:51,847 --> 00:35:54,280
I got to the
hospital and I didn't
686
00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:56,483
know anything about what is the
687
00:35:56,485 --> 00:35:59,253
proper way to take
care of burns.
688
00:35:59,255 --> 00:36:01,722
And neither did my
parents, so whatever
689
00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:04,691
the hospital did for
me we thought was good.
690
00:36:04,693 --> 00:36:06,693
I don't know how else to say it,
691
00:36:06,695 --> 00:36:09,530
they weren't equipped
at all to take care
692
00:36:09,532 --> 00:36:13,336
of my injury, but they
thought they were.
693
00:36:14,936 --> 00:36:16,769
My parents came
in when they could
694
00:36:16,771 --> 00:36:20,210
and my dad walked in
and left immediately.
695
00:36:21,376 --> 00:36:24,311
They could just see
me from here up.
696
00:36:24,313 --> 00:36:26,313
My face was burnt, but
not as badly as the
697
00:36:26,315 --> 00:36:28,782
rest of my body, so I
didn't look that terrible.
698
00:36:28,784 --> 00:36:31,584
I didn't know until
later, when he walked in,
699
00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:34,420
the smell that was
in my room because of
700
00:36:34,422 --> 00:36:36,690
me being burned I
guess brought back
701
00:36:36,692 --> 00:36:39,425
terrible memories of
him during The War.
702
00:36:39,427 --> 00:36:40,526
He had to run out and he had to
703
00:36:40,528 --> 00:36:42,528
go to the bathroom and throw up.
704
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:44,731
Then I remember
my mom lifting up
705
00:36:44,733 --> 00:36:47,668
the sheet and looking
at this arm and just
706
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:50,336
started crying because
it looked so terrible.
707
00:36:50,338 --> 00:36:52,740
It was very very
hard for my parents
708
00:36:52,742 --> 00:36:57,747
to see their son
in that situation.
709
00:37:00,048 --> 00:37:02,883
Because I was burned
all in the upper body,
710
00:37:02,885 --> 00:37:05,552
I couldn't use my
hands at all, so I
711
00:37:05,554 --> 00:37:09,055
couldn't go to the
bathroom by myself,
712
00:37:09,057 --> 00:37:13,526
I couldn't even change the
channel of the TV myself.
713
00:37:13,528 --> 00:37:16,630
It was a terrible
way to have to live,
714
00:37:16,632 --> 00:37:21,637
especially since I was
22, when someone else
715
00:37:22,771 --> 00:37:26,773
has to help you take a
piss or wipe your ass.
716
00:37:26,775 --> 00:37:29,575
It sounds funny, but
it's very humbling.
717
00:37:29,577 --> 00:37:32,313
Then they would take
me to what's called
718
00:37:32,315 --> 00:37:34,380
the Hubbard Tank, and they have
719
00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:36,050
to get rid of the dead tissue.
720
00:37:36,052 --> 00:37:38,651
Even when you're
healing, dead tissue
721
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:40,720
accumulates and it
has to be removed
722
00:37:40,722 --> 00:37:43,057
so the fresh tissue can heal.
723
00:37:43,059 --> 00:37:44,791
So they would put him
down in the basement
724
00:37:44,793 --> 00:37:46,927
because he would
scream so loud they had
725
00:37:46,929 --> 00:37:48,961
to hide him from all
the other patients.
726
00:37:48,963 --> 00:37:51,831
They would soak him
in a bathtub, and then
727
00:37:51,833 --> 00:37:53,833
the doctor would take the
back side of a scalpel.
728
00:37:53,835 --> 00:37:57,070
And scrape all of
the burned area to get
729
00:37:57,072 --> 00:38:01,874
the material off that
needed to be debrided.
730
00:38:01,876 --> 00:38:04,010
This is, again, when
I couldn't even stand
731
00:38:04,012 --> 00:38:07,014
the vibration from
somebody kicking my bed.
732
00:38:07,016 --> 00:38:08,617
Now you're gonna scrape it?
733
00:38:11,721 --> 00:38:15,088
There is no way I
can ever express
734
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:16,960
the amount of pain there was.
735
00:38:22,465 --> 00:38:23,963
They did a skin graft
surgery and they
736
00:38:23,965 --> 00:38:28,702
splinted my arms
straight out like this.
737
00:38:28,704 --> 00:38:30,838
From my body, I
couldn't move because
738
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,438
they wanted the skin
to take, and when
739
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,706
you do skin grafts
you need to be
740
00:38:33,708 --> 00:38:36,876
motionless so, it has
to be your own skin,
741
00:38:36,878 --> 00:38:39,813
and it can adhere and
start growing to your body.
742
00:38:39,815 --> 00:38:42,615
It's taken from a
healthy area, my legs,
743
00:38:42,617 --> 00:38:44,885
put on the burned
area, and hopefully
744
00:38:44,887 --> 00:38:48,722
grows into it and helps
cover up the burn.
745
00:38:48,724 --> 00:38:51,057
As I'm barely
conscious coming out of
746
00:38:51,059 --> 00:38:56,065
the O.R., going back to
my room, they realize
747
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,733
I can't get in my
fucking room because
748
00:38:59,735 --> 00:39:01,534
my arms are like
this, I'm too wide
749
00:39:01,536 --> 00:39:04,737
to go through the
doorway to my room.
750
00:39:04,739 --> 00:39:07,775
Now I have to, just
after waking up
751
00:39:07,777 --> 00:39:10,110
from major surgery,
have to stand up
752
00:39:10,112 --> 00:39:14,113
like this, walk into
my room, wait for
753
00:39:14,115 --> 00:39:16,016
them to bring the
bed in, and then
754
00:39:16,018 --> 00:39:18,485
get back in my bed,
which I thought
755
00:39:18,487 --> 00:39:20,454
was the most asinine
thing you could
756
00:39:20,456 --> 00:39:22,188
ever do, not look ahead to that?
757
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:24,090
You couldn't see that coming?
758
00:39:24,092 --> 00:39:26,193
That was just one of
the first days and
759
00:39:26,195 --> 00:39:28,498
that was an indicator
of what was to come.
760
00:39:30,498 --> 00:39:32,766
I was in that
hospital four months,
761
00:39:32,768 --> 00:39:35,802
consistently getting
worse every day.
762
00:39:35,804 --> 00:39:38,005
Trying skin grafts
that didn't work.
763
00:39:38,007 --> 00:39:39,206
One of the most
important things with
764
00:39:39,208 --> 00:39:41,608
a burn injury is
to keep a sterile
765
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:43,713
environment around the patient.
766
00:39:45,047 --> 00:39:48,014
When I'm in a room with
another person who has
767
00:39:48,016 --> 00:39:50,883
some other kind of problem,
that's not sterile,
768
00:39:50,885 --> 00:39:53,088
and that's what happened
in that hospital.
769
00:39:54,222 --> 00:39:55,588
And everyone had
to scrub down to
770
00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:56,789
come in except for
the doctor, the doctor
771
00:39:56,791 --> 00:39:58,592
would come through
and not wash his
772
00:39:58,594 --> 00:39:59,959
hands, be wearing
his tennis shoes,
773
00:39:59,961 --> 00:40:01,662
and just walk over
and check Kane.
774
00:40:01,664 --> 00:40:04,498
I was amazed that
he thought everybody
775
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,670
else should do it,
but he was above it.
776
00:40:09,003 --> 00:40:10,940
He shouldn't have been
taking care of me at all.
777
00:40:16,846 --> 00:40:18,211
Unfortunately at
that hospital they
778
00:40:18,213 --> 00:40:21,481
did very little
correctly for me.
779
00:40:21,483 --> 00:40:24,717
There was such a
long list of terrible
780
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,054
things that happened
as a result of being
781
00:40:27,056 --> 00:40:29,555
in that hospital that
never should've happened.
782
00:40:29,557 --> 00:40:32,492
My veins started
collapsing, now I have to
783
00:40:32,494 --> 00:40:36,128
submit to a needle in
the vein in my groin.
784
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:39,633
They put pins through my elbows
785
00:40:39,635 --> 00:40:41,101
and you can still see the scar.
786
00:40:41,103 --> 00:40:43,570
They would hold my
arms up like this.
787
00:40:43,572 --> 00:40:46,706
When they took the pins out
I couldn't put my arms down.
788
00:40:46,708 --> 00:40:48,508
Not being able to
sleep, and then when
789
00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:50,911
you finally do doze
off I would twitch.
790
00:40:50,913 --> 00:40:54,180
That happened every single
time I would doze off.
791
00:40:54,182 --> 00:40:56,983
And I lost my voice completely.
792
00:40:56,985 --> 00:41:00,253
Put a feeding tube through
my nose into my stomach.
793
00:41:00,255 --> 00:41:01,988
I had a catheter for a while.
794
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:05,025
Gained and lost 50
pounds in five days.
795
00:41:05,027 --> 00:41:07,927
Seven skin graft surgeries.
796
00:41:07,929 --> 00:41:10,930
They kept doing the procedures
and it wouldn't work.
797
00:41:10,932 --> 00:41:14,670
And I didn't have
any health insurance.
798
00:41:15,771 --> 00:41:18,539
If I read it in a
book, I would read it
799
00:41:18,541 --> 00:41:22,008
and say this can't be
true, he's exaggerating.
800
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:26,079
To make it sound more
horrific than it was.
801
00:41:26,081 --> 00:41:29,282
That can't all be true,
and unfortunately it was.
802
00:41:29,284 --> 00:41:31,818
And it's a horrifying story.
803
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:35,889
It's bad enough being
burned obviously,
804
00:41:35,891 --> 00:41:37,824
but all the other
things that went wrong,
805
00:41:37,826 --> 00:41:40,561
I mean it couldn't
have been worse.
806
00:41:40,563 --> 00:41:43,633
Bottom line is
after four months
807
00:41:44,632 --> 00:41:48,936
that doctor told my parents that
808
00:41:48,938 --> 00:41:52,838
I had a staph infection and it
809
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,643
doesn't look like
I'm gonna make it.
810
00:41:55,911 --> 00:41:58,177
My parents are like
what do you mean?
811
00:41:58,179 --> 00:42:00,613
After four months he's
gonna die from the burns?
812
00:42:00,615 --> 00:42:02,316
'Cause typically if you die as
813
00:42:02,318 --> 00:42:04,918
a result of being
burned it's early.
814
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,289
You don't get through
the first week.
815
00:42:08,590 --> 00:42:11,858
You don't die four
months later usually.
816
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:14,795
They were astounded
that he was saying that.
817
00:42:14,797 --> 00:42:16,662
Then he said we're
gonna ship him
818
00:42:16,664 --> 00:42:18,902
to a burn unit in San Francisco.
819
00:42:20,302 --> 00:42:25,307
My dad was wait, burn unit,
we didn't know what it was.
820
00:42:26,641 --> 00:42:27,740
He said what's that
and he said it's a
821
00:42:27,742 --> 00:42:30,010
place that specializes
in burn care.
822
00:42:30,012 --> 00:42:32,646
And my dad almost killed
the fucking guy by saying
823
00:42:32,648 --> 00:42:36,152
why did you not send him
there in the first place?
824
00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:41,854
I get to San Francisco,
the Bothin Burn Center
825
00:42:41,856 --> 00:42:46,862
in Saint Francis Hospital
and everything changed.
826
00:42:47,996 --> 00:42:49,396
At that time it was
the best burn center
827
00:42:49,398 --> 00:42:51,331
west of the Mississippi River.
828
00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:54,066
It was a real first
class burn center.
829
00:42:54,068 --> 00:42:57,070
We had attendings, resident
doctors and nurses,
830
00:42:57,072 --> 00:42:59,972
they all devoted their time to
831
00:42:59,974 --> 00:43:03,010
treating burn
patients specifically.
832
00:43:03,012 --> 00:43:04,845
My doctors
were different, this was
833
00:43:04,847 --> 00:43:06,947
a unit that was self-enclosed.
834
00:43:06,949 --> 00:43:09,148
We have our own
O.R., we do all our
835
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:11,818
treatments here, we
have hydrotherapy.
836
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:14,086
That was built in 1967.
837
00:43:14,088 --> 00:43:15,921
The other thing
that the burn unit
838
00:43:15,923 --> 00:43:19,959
had to deal with was
that I was in bed
839
00:43:19,961 --> 00:43:22,762
at the first hospital
for four months,
840
00:43:22,764 --> 00:43:24,998
never being able to sit in any
841
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,034
other position other than maybe
842
00:43:27,036 --> 00:43:29,101
recline a little bit or sit up a
843
00:43:29,103 --> 00:43:32,805
little bit, but I was
always on my back.
844
00:43:32,807 --> 00:43:37,813
So consequently I had two
really bad bedsores on my back.
845
00:43:38,914 --> 00:43:40,280
The burn unit had to
deal with all that too,
846
00:43:40,282 --> 00:43:42,048
they had to get rid
of the bedsores,
847
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:44,383
they had to get rid of
the staph infection,
848
00:43:44,385 --> 00:43:46,887
they had to get me skin grafted
849
00:43:46,889 --> 00:43:50,757
and get my weight up, and they
850
00:43:50,759 --> 00:43:53,927
did all of that in six weeks.
851
00:43:53,929 --> 00:43:55,295
Whereas the first hospital took
852
00:43:55,297 --> 00:43:58,735
four months to get me to
that horrible position.
853
00:43:59,902 --> 00:44:01,068
If I had been in
the burn unit from
854
00:44:01,070 --> 00:44:03,070
the beginning I
probably would've
855
00:44:03,072 --> 00:44:04,907
been in there four weeks total.
856
00:44:06,875 --> 00:44:11,177
What stayed the same from
when I started 35 years ago
857
00:44:11,179 --> 00:44:16,184
today is the patience that
it takes for everybody,
858
00:44:17,318 --> 00:44:20,052
the caregivers, the
patient, the families.
859
00:44:20,054 --> 00:44:22,255
The body heals only
at a certain rate.
860
00:44:22,257 --> 00:44:27,262
The caring part, the support
that these people need,
861
00:44:28,396 --> 00:44:31,130
is exactly the same
through the years.
862
00:44:31,132 --> 00:44:32,401
That hasn't changed.
863
00:44:33,969 --> 00:44:37,403
I started getting a
more positive attitude
864
00:44:37,405 --> 00:44:40,340
because this place
is state of the art,
865
00:44:40,342 --> 00:44:43,945
even back then, for burn care.
866
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:48,981
Then that's when the
depression sets in.
867
00:44:48,983 --> 00:44:52,087
Because at the beginning
you're just trying to survive.
868
00:44:53,222 --> 00:44:56,356
Now that you know
you're gonna survive,
869
00:44:56,358 --> 00:44:59,391
now you deal with
the fact that for
870
00:44:59,393 --> 00:45:00,961
the rest of your
life you're gonna
871
00:45:00,963 --> 00:45:04,063
have that visual reminder,
which is the scars.
872
00:45:04,065 --> 00:45:05,865
The biggest misconception is
873
00:45:05,867 --> 00:45:07,302
that it's just about the skin.
874
00:45:08,336 --> 00:45:10,103
It's not just about the skin.
875
00:45:10,105 --> 00:45:13,175
Major burns affect every
system of the body.
876
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:17,209
It affects the immune
system, it often affects
877
00:45:17,211 --> 00:45:20,514
the lungs if they're burned
in an enclosed space.
878
00:45:20,516 --> 00:45:23,816
It affects the GI
tract, it affects every
879
00:45:23,818 --> 00:45:26,119
system of the body,
and also I think
880
00:45:26,121 --> 00:45:28,521
a lot of people
underestimate the
881
00:45:28,523 --> 00:45:31,259
psychosocial recovery of burns.
882
00:45:42,137 --> 00:45:45,037
I didn't let anybody
come and visit me really,
883
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:48,508
just immediate family
and that was it.
884
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:50,177
I actually wanted
to go out and see him,
885
00:45:50,179 --> 00:45:55,014
but he didn't want any
visitors, and I respected that.
886
00:45:55,016 --> 00:45:58,320
But it was scary.
887
00:46:01,556 --> 00:46:06,762
I just didn't want my close
friends to see me like that.
888
00:46:12,501 --> 00:46:17,003
It's the weirdest thing, the
things your mind go through.
889
00:46:17,005 --> 00:46:19,972
I'm never gonna be able to
take my shirt off again.
890
00:46:19,974 --> 00:46:21,907
People are always
gonna stare at me.
891
00:46:21,909 --> 00:46:23,275
I'm gonna have scars
for the rest of
892
00:46:23,277 --> 00:46:26,915
my life, limited movement,
which I still have.
893
00:46:28,583 --> 00:46:33,321
I got very depressed even
when I was getting better.
894
00:46:36,123 --> 00:46:39,458
I was laying in my bed
depressed because there
895
00:46:39,460 --> 00:46:42,931
wasn't much to be happy
about other than surviving.
896
00:46:44,932 --> 00:46:48,003
I looked at somebody come in
to visit the nursing staff.
897
00:46:49,338 --> 00:46:51,338
Everybody had to gown up,
when you go in the unit
898
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:55,208
you have to put on everything
to keep it sterile.
899
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:56,376
Even visitors.
900
00:46:56,378 --> 00:46:58,481
This guy, who I
didn't recognize,
901
00:47:00,349 --> 00:47:03,516
was at the nurse's
station, and I'm
902
00:47:03,518 --> 00:47:05,418
watching him, he starts laughing
903
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:08,354
and having a good old
time, being happy,
904
00:47:08,356 --> 00:47:10,923
shaking hands with
people and I was
905
00:47:10,925 --> 00:47:13,159
laying in there saying fuck you.
906
00:47:13,161 --> 00:47:15,662
You have no idea what
I'm going through
907
00:47:15,664 --> 00:47:18,267
and you're fucking
happy, I hated him.
908
00:47:21,103 --> 00:47:23,637
Truthfully I became
somewhat, I guess you could
909
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:26,606
say suicidal,
because I didn't know
910
00:47:26,608 --> 00:47:28,974
if I wanted to live like this.
911
00:47:28,976 --> 00:47:31,344
I watched this guy
laughing and having a good
912
00:47:31,346 --> 00:47:34,983
old time and thinking
God, you are so lucky.
913
00:47:37,251 --> 00:47:40,220
He pulls up his
sleeve of his gown,
914
00:47:40,222 --> 00:47:42,988
'cause he was warm
or something, and I'm
915
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:45,592
looking at him thinking
oh wait a minute.
916
00:47:45,594 --> 00:47:47,262
He's got burn scars.
917
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:51,398
This guy was in this unit.
918
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,566
He's a former patient
that was in here,
919
00:47:54,568 --> 00:47:59,574
burned badly 'cause I could
see his arm just like mine.
920
00:48:00,375 --> 00:48:01,941
And he's fucking happy.
921
00:48:01,943 --> 00:48:05,045
And I thought holy
shit, this guy does
922
00:48:05,047 --> 00:48:07,583
know what I went
through and he's happy?
923
00:48:08,951 --> 00:48:12,217
I thought holy,
man, maybe there's
924
00:48:12,219 --> 00:48:14,119
something positive
that'll come out of this.
925
00:48:14,121 --> 00:48:17,926
He completely turned my
whole attitude around.
926
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:25,231
So if he can do it, I can do it.
927
00:48:25,233 --> 00:48:26,633
Everything changed after that,
928
00:48:26,635 --> 00:48:29,101
everything started improving.
929
00:48:29,103 --> 00:48:31,237
That's the thing
with a burn injury.
930
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,572
If you're sitting and
talking to somebody
931
00:48:33,574 --> 00:48:35,641
and they're telling
you what to expect
932
00:48:35,643 --> 00:48:38,445
and you don't see
burn scars on them,
933
00:48:38,447 --> 00:48:40,179
in your mind you're
just thinking,
934
00:48:40,181 --> 00:48:42,548
you're not even listening
because you don't know.
935
00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:45,452
But if you're sitting
there with scars,
936
00:48:45,454 --> 00:48:49,021
I'll listen to you all day
long because you do know.
937
00:48:49,023 --> 00:48:51,691
We do a burn support
group once a month
938
00:48:51,693 --> 00:48:54,026
here in the burn
center where we have
939
00:48:54,028 --> 00:48:56,095
patients come back for years to
940
00:48:56,097 --> 00:48:58,264
get that support from people who
941
00:48:58,266 --> 00:48:59,668
had been through it like them.
942
00:49:17,552 --> 00:49:20,487
It was an amazing
experience that
943
00:49:20,489 --> 00:49:24,324
this guy completely,
basically saved
944
00:49:24,326 --> 00:49:26,592
my life a second
time without even
945
00:49:26,594 --> 00:49:29,331
knowing it, and never
never knew his name.
946
00:49:40,307 --> 00:49:43,309
It seems like this
was the angle.
947
00:49:43,311 --> 00:49:44,711
Right here.
948
00:49:44,713 --> 00:49:47,479
It was bigger than this, it
went out a little farther.
949
00:49:47,481 --> 00:49:50,418
The beds were this
way, not this way.
950
00:49:51,452 --> 00:49:52,318
Right.
951
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,686
We were like this.
952
00:49:53,688 --> 00:49:54,557
He was here.
953
00:49:56,123 --> 00:49:59,561
I guess that could've been
the angle I was looking at.
954
00:50:05,333 --> 00:50:08,601
Yeah, I think that was my room.
955
00:50:08,603 --> 00:50:12,173
My biggest goal was to
get home for Christmas.
956
00:50:13,474 --> 00:50:16,642
Just to be out of the hospital
and home for Christmas.
957
00:50:16,644 --> 00:50:19,347
My doctor's name
was Angelo Capozzi.
958
00:50:22,416 --> 00:50:26,318
He was okay with sending me home
959
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,787
really before I
should've gone home.
960
00:50:28,789 --> 00:50:30,789
Well I think as
we've become more
961
00:50:30,791 --> 00:50:34,193
knowledgeable about taking
care of burn patients,
962
00:50:34,195 --> 00:50:36,162
I think it's one
of the physician's
963
00:50:36,164 --> 00:50:38,701
duties to keep the
patient comfortable.
964
00:50:40,168 --> 00:50:42,501
He allowed me to
go home with the
965
00:50:42,503 --> 00:50:45,237
training that he gave
my mother for my,
966
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,211
I had slight open wounds
all over, but small ones.
967
00:50:51,313 --> 00:50:52,545
Because it was
in-between where the
968
00:50:52,547 --> 00:50:54,449
skin grafts were that
hadn't quite healed yet.
969
00:50:55,617 --> 00:50:58,584
He knew what I had been
through, decided he
970
00:50:58,586 --> 00:51:01,791
was okay with me going
home on December 23rd.
971
00:51:11,867 --> 00:51:15,604
I haven't seen Dr.
Capozzi in 39 years.
972
00:51:17,271 --> 00:51:18,371
Hey doc.
973
00:51:18,373 --> 00:51:19,238
How are you?
974
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,572
I'm great, I'm great.
975
00:51:20,574 --> 00:51:21,608
Been a long time.
976
00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:22,711
Yes it has.
977
00:51:23,777 --> 00:51:25,211
39 years.
978
00:51:25,213 --> 00:51:26,445
Yeah.
979
00:51:26,447 --> 00:51:28,780
This area was some of
my worst, you can see.
980
00:51:28,782 --> 00:51:30,583
It was really quite deep there.
981
00:51:30,585 --> 00:51:32,153
I know, but it looks great.
982
00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:35,155
That's the only
bad part still.
983
00:51:35,157 --> 00:51:36,822
A little tight, but if you can
984
00:51:36,824 --> 00:51:38,224
get along with that,
I mean that's fine.
985
00:51:38,226 --> 00:51:41,793
I never really got
to tell you thank you.
986
00:51:41,795 --> 00:51:44,630
Because you saved
my life, there's no,
987
00:51:44,632 --> 00:51:46,398
I'm not trying to
be dramatic 'cause
988
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,300
everybody knows I don't do that.
989
00:51:48,302 --> 00:51:49,635
You saved my life and don't try
990
00:51:49,637 --> 00:51:51,670
and be fucking humble
about it please.
991
00:51:51,672 --> 00:51:52,539
Because...
992
00:51:52,541 --> 00:51:53,438
Strike that.
993
00:51:54,909 --> 00:51:57,242
I would like to say thank
you for everything you did.
994
00:51:57,244 --> 00:51:58,244
You're very welcome.
995
00:51:58,246 --> 00:51:59,412
I really appreciate that.
996
00:51:59,414 --> 00:52:00,649
I went on to
have a great life.
997
00:52:24,405 --> 00:52:27,809
I think it's very
interesting that I never
998
00:52:29,277 --> 00:52:33,445
developed a fear of
fire considering it
999
00:52:33,447 --> 00:52:35,682
almost killed me
and I understand
1000
00:52:35,684 --> 00:52:39,818
how terrifying it
is to be on fire.
1001
00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:41,420
You would think
the last thing I'd
1002
00:52:41,422 --> 00:52:44,590
ever wanna do is
be on fire again,
1003
00:52:44,592 --> 00:52:46,492
but another friend of mine that
1004
00:52:46,494 --> 00:52:49,262
gave me a lot of good stunt jobs
1005
00:52:49,264 --> 00:52:53,365
named B.J. Davis,
was doing a movie
1006
00:52:53,367 --> 00:52:56,739
in New Orleans called
Avenging Force.
1007
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,738
I had worked a
little bit with him,
1008
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:02,008
we had become
friends, and he said
1009
00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:03,775
why don't you be one
of the stunt guys
1010
00:53:03,777 --> 00:53:06,314
to come down for the
entire shoot of the movie.
1011
00:53:08,282 --> 00:53:11,383
I was very happy to
do that, hadn't done
1012
00:53:11,385 --> 00:53:14,987
much on location before.
1013
00:53:14,989 --> 00:53:19,391
So while I was in New
Orleans, B.J. said,
1014
00:53:19,393 --> 00:53:21,860
I don't know how he knew that he
1015
00:53:21,862 --> 00:53:25,731
could ask me this,
but he had a good
1016
00:53:25,733 --> 00:53:28,601
sense of my personality
I guess, he said
1017
00:53:28,603 --> 00:53:32,537
we gotta do two full
burns at the same time.
1018
00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:33,742
You wanna do one with me?
1019
00:53:35,610 --> 00:53:37,976
First I was like
oh shit, I didn't
1020
00:53:37,978 --> 00:53:41,280
think anybody would ever
ask me that, first of all.
1021
00:53:41,282 --> 00:53:42,548
Then I start thinking
about it more
1022
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:45,017
and I said you know
what, he knows what I've
1023
00:53:45,019 --> 00:53:48,891
been through and he's
confident in me doing it.
1024
00:53:50,025 --> 00:53:52,291
If he had said
you probably don't
1025
00:53:52,293 --> 00:53:54,395
wanna do this, but
there's a fire stunt,
1026
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:57,030
but he didn't do it
that way, I guess
1027
00:53:57,032 --> 00:53:59,699
he just did it the
right way for me.
1028
00:53:59,701 --> 00:54:03,001
Just offer it to me
without any hesitation.
1029
00:54:03,003 --> 00:54:05,838
If I don't wanna do it, fine,
somebody else will do it.
1030
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,340
But ultimately I did
the stunt with him.
1031
00:54:08,342 --> 00:54:11,943
B.J. comes flying out
of a window on fire,
1032
00:54:11,945 --> 00:54:15,048
and I come out of
the doorway on fire.
1033
00:54:15,050 --> 00:54:17,383
It was a full burn
that I did again
1034
00:54:17,385 --> 00:54:20,389
for the first time
since my accident.
1035
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:24,523
I loved it.
1036
00:54:24,525 --> 00:54:27,927
I felt very
comfortable, I see how,
1037
00:54:27,929 --> 00:54:30,796
when you do the
proper setup, how easy
1038
00:54:30,798 --> 00:54:35,804
it is to do that stunt
really, and I came
1039
00:54:36,938 --> 00:54:40,373
to the conclusion that
I love doing fire.
1040
00:54:40,375 --> 00:54:42,974
It's very very
surprising that a
1041
00:54:42,976 --> 00:54:47,679
burn survivor could even
go near a fire again.
1042
00:54:47,681 --> 00:54:50,717
Doing that first fire
stunt again was huge,
1043
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,789
a huge step forward in
forgetting about the past.
1044
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:06,965
I met Kane when he was working
1045
00:55:06,967 --> 00:55:08,668
on a pictures with Wes Craven.
1046
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:10,869
Called The Hills Have Eyes II.
1047
00:55:10,871 --> 00:55:13,840
I had doubled a character
called The Reaper.
1048
00:55:13,842 --> 00:55:15,608
Was a stunt double
for him, I was falling
1049
00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:17,844
through a skylight and
riding a motorcycle
1050
00:55:17,846 --> 00:55:19,679
and doing some stuff
around some fire.
1051
00:55:19,681 --> 00:55:22,481
He was a wonderful
and interesting guy.
1052
00:55:22,483 --> 00:55:24,650
Clearly he was a guy that didn't
1053
00:55:24,652 --> 00:55:26,719
seem to be afraid of anything.
1054
00:55:26,721 --> 00:55:29,755
And I ended up
doing every one of
1055
00:55:29,757 --> 00:55:32,525
Sean Cunningham's
movies for quite
1056
00:55:32,527 --> 00:55:35,728
a while after that one,
all the House movies.
1057
00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:37,563
Everything he did really.
1058
00:55:37,565 --> 00:55:41,967
I did the original
Friday back in 1979, '80.
1059
00:55:41,969 --> 00:55:45,405
I was around for Friday
Two and Friday Three,
1060
00:55:45,407 --> 00:55:47,005
but I was anxious to move on and
1061
00:55:47,007 --> 00:55:51,677
do some other
things, so the series
1062
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:54,880
proceeded for a while
without me and then
1063
00:55:54,882 --> 00:55:59,620
we decided to do Friday
the 13th Part Nine.
1064
00:56:00,722 --> 00:56:02,155
Fortunately the
person that was hired
1065
00:56:02,157 --> 00:56:06,758
to direct, Adam Marcus,
was a fan of mine
1066
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,628
as the character
and immediately said
1067
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:11,496
hey, I want him to
play Jason again.
1068
00:56:11,498 --> 00:56:14,534
This is my third
go around as Jason.
1069
00:56:14,536 --> 00:56:16,202
He just brought
a certain kind of
1070
00:56:16,204 --> 00:56:19,204
consistency and flavor
to the character
1071
00:56:19,206 --> 00:56:21,941
that the fans really
responded to and I
1072
00:56:21,943 --> 00:56:26,045
would be mad if I were to
think of replacing him.
1073
00:56:26,047 --> 00:56:28,648
The last shot of
the movie, when I read
1074
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:31,184
the script for the
first time, it said
1075
00:56:31,186 --> 00:56:34,019
Jason's mask is
laying on the ground
1076
00:56:34,021 --> 00:56:37,456
and Freddy's hand
comes out of the ground
1077
00:56:37,458 --> 00:56:41,927
with the glove on and
the sweater, and grabs
1078
00:56:41,929 --> 00:56:44,197
the hockey mask and
pulls it into the ground
1079
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:48,767
to set up for
Freddy Versus Jason.
1080
00:56:48,769 --> 00:56:51,137
And I said okay,
well I'll tell you
1081
00:56:51,139 --> 00:56:52,737
one thing right
now, I'm gonna be
1082
00:56:52,739 --> 00:56:55,041
wearing that Freddy
glove to do that shot.
1083
00:56:55,043 --> 00:56:56,809
Nobody else is
gonna do it 'cause
1084
00:56:56,811 --> 00:56:58,543
Robert Englund is
not gonna do it.
1085
00:56:58,545 --> 00:57:01,646
I did that shot, I was
underneath the set,
1086
00:57:01,648 --> 00:57:04,717
pulled down the mask and
pulled it into the set
1087
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,523
thinking I was setting up
for Freddy Versus Jason.
1088
00:57:11,259 --> 00:57:14,894
Back in 1983 I had a
meeting with Wes Craven
1089
00:57:14,896 --> 00:57:19,201
and he said I'm developing
a new character.
1090
00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:22,971
He's gonna have burn scars.
1091
00:57:24,572 --> 00:57:27,572
I'm thinking about using
somebody with real burn scars.
1092
00:57:27,574 --> 00:57:29,710
And I said wow, that's great.
1093
00:57:31,545 --> 00:57:33,144
What kind of
character, well he's
1094
00:57:33,146 --> 00:57:37,152
not a really nice
guy, he's a pedophile.
1095
00:57:38,186 --> 00:57:40,853
I said okay, and
with burn scars,
1096
00:57:40,855 --> 00:57:43,856
and his name is Fred Krueger.
1097
00:57:43,858 --> 00:57:45,525
Wes Craven was a
friend of mine, I did
1098
00:57:45,527 --> 00:57:47,994
a series with Wes
Craven and I know that,
1099
00:57:47,996 --> 00:57:49,195
I think there was
a time when he was
1100
00:57:49,197 --> 00:57:51,863
really considering
Kane to play Freddy.
1101
00:57:51,865 --> 00:57:54,599
Obviously we know
where this is all headed,
1102
00:57:54,601 --> 00:57:57,269
I did not play the
character because he
1103
00:57:57,271 --> 00:58:00,273
decided to go with a
more established actor
1104
00:58:00,275 --> 00:58:04,876
with prosthetics instead
of real burn scars.
1105
00:58:04,878 --> 00:58:07,979
I think Robert did an amazing
job as that character,
1106
00:58:07,981 --> 00:58:12,584
and obviously one of my horror
heroes is Robert Englund.
1107
00:58:12,586 --> 00:58:13,653
How different
life could've been
1108
00:58:13,655 --> 00:58:15,887
for everybody had that happened,
1109
00:58:15,889 --> 00:58:18,291
but I know that West
thought very highly of him.
1110
00:58:18,293 --> 00:58:21,661
Well Kane and
I, we go way back.
1111
00:58:21,663 --> 00:58:24,697
Robert and I have been
friends for a long time.
1112
00:58:24,699 --> 00:58:26,798
We do conventions
together of course.
1113
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,635
And we just hit it off
because we both have to
1114
00:58:29,637 --> 00:58:33,606
go through a lot of the
same off-screen fan stuff.
1115
00:58:33,608 --> 00:58:34,740
Give it up
for Kane Hodder and
1116
00:58:34,742 --> 00:58:36,041
Robert Englund,
ladies and gentlemen!
1117
00:58:36,043 --> 00:58:37,742
When I started
in this business,
1118
00:58:37,744 --> 00:58:40,780
never anticipated ever
signing an autograph.
1119
00:58:40,782 --> 00:58:42,682
You loved it the first
time that goth girl
1120
00:58:42,684 --> 00:58:44,950
walked up to you and
went sign me, Kane!
1121
00:58:46,653 --> 00:58:48,253
But we have
worked together also
1122
00:58:48,255 --> 00:58:49,889
which was a lot of fun for me.
1123
00:58:49,891 --> 00:58:54,896
I had done a web series with
Robert called Fear Clinic.
1124
00:58:58,199 --> 00:58:59,632
Well Fear Clinic's
where Kane and I
1125
00:58:59,634 --> 00:59:02,034
got to do most of
our work together.
1126
00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:04,869
That's really where
we found our vibe
1127
00:59:04,871 --> 00:59:07,106
as actors together
'cause we were really,
1128
00:59:07,108 --> 00:59:10,075
we had a lot of
scenes between us.
1129
00:59:10,077 --> 00:59:12,912
I'm taking you down before
you kill anymore patients.
1130
00:59:12,914 --> 00:59:16,081
I'm not fond of this
new attitude of yours.
1131
00:59:16,083 --> 00:59:17,749
Clearly you don't understand the
1132
00:59:17,751 --> 00:59:20,251
employee/employer relationship.
1133
00:59:20,253 --> 00:59:21,820
Now help him!
1134
00:59:21,822 --> 00:59:23,688
Yeah, blah blah blah, I know,
1135
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:26,057
I got the body,
you got the brains.
1136
00:59:26,059 --> 00:59:28,059
It was fun working together.
1137
00:59:28,061 --> 00:59:29,662
It's cool to have
pictures of him
1138
00:59:29,664 --> 00:59:34,032
face to face arguing
without makeups on.
1139
00:59:34,034 --> 00:59:38,003
Really Freddy versus
Jason in a different way.
1140
00:59:38,005 --> 00:59:40,206
There was still this pressing,
1141
00:59:40,208 --> 00:59:44,043
my pressing need to go
ahead with Freddy/Jason.
1142
00:59:44,045 --> 00:59:48,713
And still, because New
Line and Robert Englund
1143
00:59:48,715 --> 00:59:52,284
and some other issues,
we couldn't do that,
1144
00:59:52,286 --> 00:59:55,354
at least not yet, and
so that's what led
1145
00:59:55,356 --> 01:00:00,362
us to Jason X, or
Jason in Space.
1146
01:00:01,429 --> 01:00:03,229
It seemed like a really
good idea and was
1147
01:00:03,231 --> 01:00:05,430
a really fun notion
to try to figure
1148
01:00:05,432 --> 01:00:07,666
out how we would do all of that.
1149
01:00:07,668 --> 01:00:10,068
The sets were amazing and the
1150
01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:14,240
movie was pretty
clever I thought.
1151
01:00:14,242 --> 01:00:16,409
There was a part
of the film where
1152
01:00:16,411 --> 01:00:18,778
somebody created
a virtual reality
1153
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:22,748
to try and slow Jason
down, and all of a
1154
01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:27,755
sudden Uber Jason was
back at Camp Crystal Lake.
1155
01:00:28,889 --> 01:00:30,088
We're in space and
we're looking for
1156
01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:31,891
all the kind of
gags that we used
1157
01:00:31,893 --> 01:00:33,391
to do and that
Jason's known for.
1158
01:00:33,393 --> 01:00:35,427
Basically this is just
for the fans really,
1159
01:00:35,429 --> 01:00:38,164
the fans of the previous films.
1160
01:00:38,166 --> 01:00:41,032
I had a girl in a sleeping bag,
1161
01:00:41,034 --> 01:00:42,967
and I was slamming
her against her
1162
01:00:42,969 --> 01:00:45,737
friend that was in
her sleeping bag.
1163
01:00:45,739 --> 01:00:47,873
So killing them both
with each other.
1164
01:00:47,875 --> 01:00:52,445
Redid the stunt that
the fans so loved.
1165
01:00:52,447 --> 01:00:54,780
It was my idea to do one shot
1166
01:00:54,782 --> 01:00:58,186
to the tree just as a throwback.
1167
01:01:00,922 --> 01:01:03,021
It was just so silly.
1168
01:01:03,023 --> 01:01:04,423
My hands down
favorite Jason kill
1169
01:01:04,425 --> 01:01:06,958
is the frozen head
in Jason X where he
1170
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,461
lifts it up and then
just shatters it.
1171
01:01:08,463 --> 01:01:10,762
Freeze the head in liquid
nitrogen and smash it.
1172
01:01:10,764 --> 01:01:12,231
Liquid nitrogen and
smashed on the table.
1173
01:01:12,233 --> 01:01:14,266
And then smashed it
and he brain rolls out.
1174
01:01:14,268 --> 01:01:15,800
I thought that was great.
1175
01:01:15,802 --> 01:01:17,001
No one was
expecting that and it
1176
01:01:17,003 --> 01:01:18,838
was just so gory and
so crazy, and just
1177
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,472
the way he does it, just tosses
1178
01:01:20,474 --> 01:01:23,742
her aside, it's an awesome kill.
1179
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:37,425
I got a call from an
executive at New Line.
1180
01:01:38,525 --> 01:01:40,226
She wanted to have
lunch with me.
1181
01:01:40,228 --> 01:01:42,827
She gave me a script
called Freddy Versus Jason
1182
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:45,396
and she said we're
finally doing this movie.
1183
01:01:45,398 --> 01:01:49,769
And I said that is fantastic,
I'm so happy to hear that.
1184
01:01:49,771 --> 01:01:54,743
I assumed at that time that
meant I was doing the movie.
1185
01:01:56,110 --> 01:01:57,309
You're giving me the script
and saying we're finally
1186
01:01:57,311 --> 01:02:01,850
doing this movie, pretty
sure thing in my mind.
1187
01:02:02,983 --> 01:02:06,017
Then in the weeks that
followed I started
1188
01:02:06,019 --> 01:02:10,523
getting a weird
vibe from New Line.
1189
01:02:10,525 --> 01:02:12,825
Well I knew Kane.
1190
01:02:12,827 --> 01:02:15,994
I was told by the
powers to be, for most
1191
01:02:15,996 --> 01:02:19,097
of that prep time it was
always gonna be Kane.
1192
01:02:19,099 --> 01:02:23,802
Ultimately I was
told that they had
1193
01:02:23,804 --> 01:02:27,173
hired somebody that
played Jason before.
1194
01:02:35,315 --> 01:02:37,318
Then I found out
it was Kirzinger.
1195
01:02:39,487 --> 01:02:44,492
I was like how is he having
played the character before?
1196
01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:47,927
And then I remembered in
Part Eight, 'cause they
1197
01:02:47,929 --> 01:02:50,262
didn't want me to
take a chance of
1198
01:02:50,264 --> 01:02:53,532
getting hurt and not
being able to work,
1199
01:02:53,534 --> 01:02:56,434
I was forced to allow
Ken Kirzinger to do the
1200
01:02:56,436 --> 01:03:00,775
car hit where the cop car
hits Jason in the alley.
1201
01:03:02,409 --> 01:03:04,844
Even though I've done
that stunt many times,
1202
01:03:04,846 --> 01:03:06,478
they thought if you
get a broken leg
1203
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,947
or something we're in trouble.
1204
01:03:07,949 --> 01:03:10,583
It seems to me that
someone, I don't think
1205
01:03:10,585 --> 01:03:12,584
it was him, I'm almost
sure it wasn't him
1206
01:03:12,586 --> 01:03:15,153
because I've talked
about it with him,
1207
01:03:15,155 --> 01:03:17,590
but someone had represented him
1208
01:03:17,592 --> 01:03:20,559
as having played
the character also.
1209
01:03:20,561 --> 01:03:22,927
Based on that shot.
1210
01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:25,231
That was a done deal,
he was already hired,
1211
01:03:25,233 --> 01:03:29,971
and I, to say the
least I was devastated.
1212
01:03:31,371 --> 01:03:33,938
It's only a role, but
it's something that
1213
01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:37,275
I had put my heart and
soul into for 15 years,
1214
01:03:37,277 --> 01:03:42,283
four films in a row,
and it seemed like...
1215
01:03:45,952 --> 01:03:47,088
None of that mattered.
1216
01:03:52,293 --> 01:03:56,327
I never in a million
years would've
1217
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:58,400
given them a reason
to replace me.
1218
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,367
By saying hey, I
want this much money
1219
01:04:01,369 --> 01:04:02,901
and they just say oh
can't afford that,
1220
01:04:02,903 --> 01:04:05,670
let's go somewhere
else, then that's on me.
1221
01:04:05,672 --> 01:04:07,673
But I would never
have given them any
1222
01:04:07,675 --> 01:04:09,508
kind of reason, I
was never difficult
1223
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:12,211
to work with, I was
never late to the
1224
01:04:12,213 --> 01:04:15,680
set and undependable,
nothing like that,
1225
01:04:15,682 --> 01:04:19,050
so I couldn't understand
why I was replaced and
1226
01:04:19,052 --> 01:04:23,090
I don't think I'll ever
know the real reason.
1227
01:04:25,326 --> 01:04:29,494
It was a very very low
point of my career.
1228
01:04:29,496 --> 01:04:33,234
It was almost as low a point
for me as getting burned.
1229
01:04:34,335 --> 01:04:37,639
Because I was never
told any reason.
1230
01:04:39,005 --> 01:04:41,175
Took me a long time
to get over that.
1231
01:04:59,226 --> 01:05:02,427
For almost 20
years he was Jason.
1232
01:05:02,429 --> 01:05:05,296
And in thousands of
fans, upon millions
1233
01:05:05,298 --> 01:05:07,465
around the world, he
is Jason, he always
1234
01:05:07,467 --> 01:05:09,702
will be Jason no
matter if someone
1235
01:05:09,704 --> 01:05:13,072
else plays him more than
once, or if he never
1236
01:05:13,074 --> 01:05:16,041
plays it again, he will
always be the Jason
1237
01:05:16,043 --> 01:05:18,142
because he's the one
that made him iconic.
1238
01:05:18,144 --> 01:05:20,949
That made him more than
just a guy with a mask.
1239
01:05:29,724 --> 01:05:34,396
After the whole
mess of not doing the
1240
01:05:35,528 --> 01:05:40,534
Freddy Versus Jason
movie, I got contacted
1241
01:05:41,635 --> 01:05:45,607
by Adam Green about
a new character
1242
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:50,242
that he thought could
be a franchise also.
1243
01:05:50,244 --> 01:05:54,479
Well my first project with
Kane was the original Hatchet.
1244
01:05:54,481 --> 01:05:57,115
I was a huge fan of
all the slashers.
1245
01:05:57,117 --> 01:06:00,084
Michael Myers, Jason
Voorhees, Freddy Krueger,
1246
01:06:00,086 --> 01:06:03,755
and the concept
of possibly having
1247
01:06:03,757 --> 01:06:06,191
Kane Hodder be
Victor Crowley was
1248
01:06:06,193 --> 01:06:08,394
always just a pipe
dream, and then
1249
01:06:08,396 --> 01:06:10,695
John Buechler who was
doing the effects,
1250
01:06:10,697 --> 01:06:12,664
when he first suggested
well why don't
1251
01:06:12,666 --> 01:06:17,635
I show the script to Kane,
I was just like really?
1252
01:06:17,637 --> 01:06:18,771
Seriously?
1253
01:06:18,773 --> 01:06:20,639
'Cause I didn't think
he'd wanna do it
1254
01:06:20,641 --> 01:06:22,443
just because he's
already done it.
1255
01:06:23,543 --> 01:06:27,045
And he had been a
fan of my work as Jason
1256
01:06:27,047 --> 01:06:31,349
and wanted to talk about playing
1257
01:06:31,351 --> 01:06:34,254
a character called
Victor Crowley.
1258
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:39,157
With Jason, he came
into that so late
1259
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:42,394
in the game, and as
much as he's the Jason
1260
01:06:42,396 --> 01:06:44,762
as far as anybody who
knows what they're
1261
01:06:44,764 --> 01:06:47,465
talking about with
Friday the 13th goes,
1262
01:06:47,467 --> 01:06:50,802
this was a great opportunity,
especially because
1263
01:06:50,804 --> 01:06:53,237
it's a very different
character and
1264
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:55,773
he's not hidden behind
an emotionless mask.
1265
01:06:55,775 --> 01:06:58,543
I was somewhat
excited because it was
1266
01:06:58,545 --> 01:07:01,146
similar to Jason, it was
a character in makeup
1267
01:07:01,148 --> 01:07:06,153
that didn't speak and killed
everyone he could reach.
1268
01:07:07,088 --> 01:07:10,722
That movie was
very surprising.
1269
01:07:10,724 --> 01:07:13,092
It was very over the top.
1270
01:07:13,094 --> 01:07:16,427
It started like a
comedy at first and then
1271
01:07:16,429 --> 01:07:18,764
suddenly it switches
gears and it
1272
01:07:18,766 --> 01:07:22,133
turns into the most
horrendous over the
1273
01:07:22,135 --> 01:07:23,869
top makeup effects extravaganza.
1274
01:07:23,871 --> 01:07:25,737
I mean I love that.
1275
01:07:25,739 --> 01:07:28,173
I think Adam
purposefully didn't reveal
1276
01:07:28,175 --> 01:07:29,740
everything in the
first movie so he
1277
01:07:29,742 --> 01:07:32,177
could give some more
information over
1278
01:07:32,179 --> 01:07:34,445
the second one and
ultimately answer
1279
01:07:34,447 --> 01:07:36,882
everything left
in the third one.
1280
01:07:36,884 --> 01:07:38,483
That's pretty
confident for a guy
1281
01:07:38,485 --> 01:07:40,853
that was unknown at the time to
1282
01:07:40,855 --> 01:07:42,521
assume that you're gonna get the
1283
01:07:42,523 --> 01:07:44,222
chance to tell your whole story
1284
01:07:44,224 --> 01:07:45,657
over the course of three films.
1285
01:07:45,659 --> 01:07:47,325
Kane was really one
of the only people
1286
01:07:47,327 --> 01:07:50,162
who I said what
the next two movies
1287
01:07:50,164 --> 01:07:52,530
were gonna be because
I feel like if you're
1288
01:07:52,532 --> 01:07:55,501
gonna do a slasher
series, you have to have
1289
01:07:55,503 --> 01:07:58,237
an endgame and you have to
have things planned out.
1290
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:00,338
The idea of just
making one, and then
1291
01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:02,474
all of a sudden it
performed, so now
1292
01:08:02,476 --> 01:08:04,342
you're gonna make another
one, you can start
1293
01:08:04,344 --> 01:08:06,478
to tell as a fan
they're just finding
1294
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,313
their way with this
and they're just
1295
01:08:08,315 --> 01:08:10,315
either repeating the
same movie over again,
1296
01:08:10,317 --> 01:08:12,450
or they're making shit
up, but I had a plan.
1297
01:08:12,452 --> 01:08:16,854
There were a lot of similarities
to Jason with Victor.
1298
01:08:16,856 --> 01:08:18,757
And I did not wanna
do the same thing,
1299
01:08:18,759 --> 01:08:21,496
I wanted to do more
of a grotesque guy.
1300
01:08:23,497 --> 01:08:26,264
We did a demo appliance and the
1301
01:08:26,266 --> 01:08:30,402
prosthetics on top
of him, and I did it
1302
01:08:30,404 --> 01:08:32,838
in such a way that
it was risky because
1303
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,507
there was so much
prosthetic on his face,
1304
01:08:35,509 --> 01:08:37,476
but I think it worked
out pretty well.
1305
01:08:37,478 --> 01:08:39,710
Kane really gets
into it and that's
1306
01:08:39,712 --> 01:08:43,248
why the characters he
plays are memorable.
1307
01:08:43,250 --> 01:08:45,651
When you have a real
actor behind these
1308
01:08:45,653 --> 01:08:50,421
prosthetics and makeup, it
makes such a difference.
1309
01:08:50,423 --> 01:08:51,757
You can tell when it's
somebody just going
1310
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:53,458
through the motions and
when it's a character.
1311
01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:55,227
There are a lot of
actors that could have
1312
01:08:55,229 --> 01:08:57,461
simply thrown the
makeup on and thrown
1313
01:08:57,463 --> 01:08:59,298
the prosthetics on
and just getting
1314
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:00,933
in front of the camera
and going grrr like
1315
01:09:00,935 --> 01:09:03,535
Godzilla in a Godzilla suit
or something like that.
1316
01:09:03,537 --> 01:09:06,737
He was, every night, in
uncomfortable situations,
1317
01:09:06,739 --> 01:09:09,942
he was off taking it
very very seriously,
1318
01:09:09,944 --> 01:09:12,945
so that when he came
out and when he did
1319
01:09:12,947 --> 01:09:16,281
his performance, it
had a lot of weight
1320
01:09:16,283 --> 01:09:19,651
behind it and it had
a lot of realism.
1321
01:09:19,653 --> 01:09:20,986
I mean the character
really seems
1322
01:09:20,988 --> 01:09:23,421
like a creature that's in pain.
1323
01:09:23,423 --> 01:09:25,223
And so the fact
that he takes it so
1324
01:09:25,225 --> 01:09:27,392
seriously and does not want the
1325
01:09:27,394 --> 01:09:30,562
other actors to see
him at all, so when
1326
01:09:30,564 --> 01:09:32,998
he's in the makeup
he stays separate.
1327
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,834
Whenever I'm
playing a killer like
1328
01:09:35,836 --> 01:09:39,740
Jason or Victor
or anyone really,
1329
01:09:41,774 --> 01:09:45,376
I like to fuck with
the actors a little bit
1330
01:09:45,378 --> 01:09:50,385
for their performance
being enhanced
1331
01:09:51,518 --> 01:09:52,750
and also just for my
own entertainment.
1332
01:09:52,752 --> 01:09:54,419
The cast just
didn't know anything
1333
01:09:54,421 --> 01:09:56,455
about him and never
got to see him
1334
01:09:56,457 --> 01:09:58,723
or spend time with
him, and I think
1335
01:09:58,725 --> 01:10:00,592
that made a huge
difference because
1336
01:10:00,594 --> 01:10:02,593
that way what you
see in the movie
1337
01:10:02,595 --> 01:10:05,030
when the cast sees Victor
Crowley, that's their
1338
01:10:05,032 --> 01:10:07,732
first time seeing him
and they were terrified.
1339
01:10:07,734 --> 01:10:09,800
What he'll do is as
he's getting into
1340
01:10:09,802 --> 01:10:11,535
character you don't
know where he is.
1341
01:10:11,537 --> 01:10:12,870
He's off in the
woods somewhere and
1342
01:10:12,872 --> 01:10:15,807
you just hear him
screaming or kicking trees
1343
01:10:15,809 --> 01:10:19,745
and just these
bursts of rawr, rawr,
1344
01:10:19,747 --> 01:10:22,380
and the cast is
terrified at that point.
1345
01:10:24,652 --> 01:10:26,617
So the cast is
already convinced that
1346
01:10:26,619 --> 01:10:29,021
he's half crazy
anyway, and by doing
1347
01:10:29,023 --> 01:10:31,389
things like that it just brings
1348
01:10:31,391 --> 01:10:33,025
so much more to
their performance.
1349
01:10:33,027 --> 01:10:36,027
We would do some rehearsal
sometimes without him.
1350
01:10:36,029 --> 01:10:37,898
B.J. McDonald would
come out and say
1351
01:10:39,033 --> 01:10:40,632
so Kane's gonna
come out from behind
1352
01:10:40,634 --> 01:10:42,834
the tree and when you
see him squeeze off
1353
01:10:42,836 --> 01:10:44,936
a couple of shots,
say your lines,
1354
01:10:44,938 --> 01:10:48,507
and run off in the
other direction.
1355
01:10:48,509 --> 01:10:51,643
A lot of times the
only time I saw Kane
1356
01:10:51,645 --> 01:10:53,812
on the set was when
they would go action
1357
01:10:53,814 --> 01:10:57,782
and Victor Crowley would
come out, be in frame,
1358
01:10:57,784 --> 01:10:59,718
scream something horrible at us,
1359
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,018
and then I'd be
running for my life.
1360
01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:02,553
And what was so funny
about it is when
1361
01:11:02,555 --> 01:11:04,555
you don't do a lot of
rehearsal with him,
1362
01:11:04,557 --> 01:11:06,758
he actually comes out
of the pitch black,
1363
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,296
out of the woods, and he
scares the crap out of you.
1364
01:11:11,664 --> 01:11:12,531
Amanda!
1365
01:11:13,634 --> 01:11:16,500
There's an interesting
connection about
1366
01:11:16,502 --> 01:11:18,870
having been through
some violent acts
1367
01:11:18,872 --> 01:11:23,741
in my past and being
able to recreate those on
1368
01:11:23,743 --> 01:11:27,845
film has to have
helped somewhat because
1369
01:11:27,847 --> 01:11:31,450
that's what people say
the most is when they
1370
01:11:31,452 --> 01:11:35,620
watch me kill somebody
on film, it's so violent.
1371
01:11:35,622 --> 01:11:38,557
So it's like to become
the ultimate badass.
1372
01:11:38,559 --> 01:11:41,026
I think it's a pretty
interesting thing that
1373
01:11:41,028 --> 01:11:44,995
he picked up as a result
of his background.
1374
01:11:44,997 --> 01:11:48,834
He got used to torment
and agony and suffering,
1375
01:11:48,836 --> 01:11:52,771
and then he just started
getting paid for it.
1376
01:11:52,773 --> 01:11:54,438
Good deal.
1377
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:57,576
When it comes to your death
scene, it's not gonna be easy.
1378
01:11:57,578 --> 01:11:59,111
I'm not gonna hurt
you, but it's not
1379
01:11:59,113 --> 01:12:02,446
gonna be comfortable
either because
1380
01:12:02,448 --> 01:12:04,782
I like a little bit of realism.
1381
01:12:04,784 --> 01:12:06,817
Without fail the actor will say
1382
01:12:06,819 --> 01:12:08,853
goddamn, that was
a little rough.
1383
01:12:08,855 --> 01:12:10,821
Then they see it on
screen and they love it.
1384
01:12:10,823 --> 01:12:12,557
And they're happy
we did it that way.
1385
01:12:12,559 --> 01:12:14,726
I've known him
for 33 years now.
1386
01:12:14,728 --> 01:12:16,995
I always wanted him to kill
me and finally that was
1387
01:12:16,997 --> 01:12:19,764
the thing where he sawed
me in half with a chainsaw.
1388
01:12:19,766 --> 01:12:22,500
And I told the guy that
was behind me, Coulton,
1389
01:12:22,502 --> 01:12:24,702
I said Coulton, he's
gonna take a chainsaw
1390
01:12:24,704 --> 01:12:26,772
and stick it between
our legs and lift us up
1391
01:12:26,774 --> 01:12:28,906
in the air and we're
gonna get sawed in half.
1392
01:12:28,908 --> 01:12:31,041
He goes yeah I know,
I said bring a cup.
1393
01:12:31,043 --> 01:12:35,746
And he goes why, I said
I know Kane, bring a cup.
1394
01:12:35,748 --> 01:12:37,048
So Kane comes out,
we're standing there
1395
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:40,652
and he goes waff,
lifts us up in the air.
1396
01:12:40,654 --> 01:12:42,019
And as soon as
we're done Coulton's
1397
01:12:42,021 --> 01:12:44,022
like this, he goes thank you.
1398
01:12:45,492 --> 01:12:46,860
So yeah, Kane plays hard.
1399
01:12:49,462 --> 01:12:50,861
You would think
that would be enough,
1400
01:12:50,863 --> 01:12:54,031
but then there's the
pranks which I'm just
1401
01:12:54,033 --> 01:12:56,500
as guilty off because I
love doing it as well.
1402
01:12:56,502 --> 01:13:00,938
Adam and I decided that it
might be fun to scare Mercedes.
1403
01:13:00,940 --> 01:13:03,642
Mercedes McNab, on
the first Hatchet,
1404
01:13:03,644 --> 01:13:05,509
started to complain
after a while.
1405
01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:07,745
Well everybody else has
been pranked and Kane
1406
01:13:07,747 --> 01:13:10,147
scared them, but nobody's
done anything to me.
1407
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:12,584
I was like, we were
already planning it,
1408
01:13:12,586 --> 01:13:15,120
but I'm like now you're
just asking for it.
1409
01:13:15,122 --> 01:13:18,190
So in the full Victor
Crowley getup Kane
1410
01:13:18,192 --> 01:13:20,959
snuck into her
trailer and just stood
1411
01:13:20,961 --> 01:13:23,794
in the bathroom in
the dark for a good
1412
01:13:23,796 --> 01:13:27,232
20, 25 minutes, and
just waited for her.
1413
01:13:27,234 --> 01:13:29,701
Then Joel David
Moore had a camera
1414
01:13:29,703 --> 01:13:31,236
that day on set
where he was just
1415
01:13:31,238 --> 01:13:33,839
documenting his
day, and so they go
1416
01:13:33,841 --> 01:13:35,906
into Mercedes'
trailer and Joel's
1417
01:13:35,908 --> 01:13:37,808
interviewing her,
and when he says so
1418
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:40,211
what was your favorite
Victor Crowley moment.
1419
01:13:40,213 --> 01:13:42,813
Kane just comes bursting
out of the bathroom.
1420
01:13:45,685 --> 01:13:47,085
Goddammit!
1421
01:13:47,087 --> 01:13:51,156
I scared the absolute
shit out of her.
1422
01:13:51,158 --> 01:13:53,124
It was very funny.
1423
01:13:53,126 --> 01:13:55,693
I think she called me some
names that I had never
1424
01:13:55,695 --> 01:13:58,032
been called before, so
that was pretty creative.
1425
01:14:04,805 --> 01:14:06,571
What he wouldn't
want you to know though
1426
01:14:06,573 --> 01:14:09,206
is that the things
that he wants, like in
1427
01:14:09,208 --> 01:14:11,710
his trailer, are
peanut butter and jelly
1428
01:14:11,712 --> 01:14:15,847
and DVDs of Saturday Night Live.
1429
01:14:15,849 --> 01:14:17,581
We would use code
and be like oh bring
1430
01:14:17,583 --> 01:14:19,784
another dead baby
to Kane's trailer,
1431
01:14:19,786 --> 01:14:21,852
or another bottle of Jack
or whatever, but it's
1432
01:14:21,854 --> 01:14:23,287
really just peanut butter
and jelly sandwiches.
1433
01:14:23,289 --> 01:14:26,159
He's a very simple guy
when it comes to that.
1434
01:14:27,594 --> 01:14:30,128
My favorite Victor
kill is one of the
1435
01:14:30,130 --> 01:14:32,129
goriest kills in the
history of cinema where
1436
01:14:32,131 --> 01:14:36,701
he grabs the woman's
mouth and rips it open.
1437
01:14:36,703 --> 01:14:38,736
Anybody can kill
people with a gun,
1438
01:14:38,738 --> 01:14:41,606
but how many people
can catch a woman
1439
01:14:41,608 --> 01:14:44,608
who's running away
from them and put your
1440
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:47,278
hands in her mouth and
rip her head apart?
1441
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,879
Now that's creative.
1442
01:14:48,881 --> 01:14:52,017
I like the more hands
on creative things,
1443
01:14:52,019 --> 01:14:55,085
I mean that's my favorite
kill that I've ever done.
1444
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:05,296
Hysterical because
when I started writing
1445
01:15:05,298 --> 01:15:08,599
Kane's biography,
my aunt was like oh
1446
01:15:08,601 --> 01:15:09,934
who is this guy
you're writing about,
1447
01:15:09,936 --> 01:15:12,670
so she decided to watch
Hatchet, and she's
1448
01:15:12,672 --> 01:15:14,039
never watched a horror
movie pretty much
1449
01:15:14,041 --> 01:15:17,008
in her life, and she
saw that scene and
1450
01:15:17,010 --> 01:15:19,643
threw up three times,
and Kane thinks it's
1451
01:15:19,645 --> 01:15:21,245
the greatest thing in
the world that someone
1452
01:15:21,247 --> 01:15:23,647
threw up because of a
kill he had in a film.
1453
01:15:23,649 --> 01:15:27,852
It's fun as hell to have an
effect like that one somebody.
1454
01:15:27,854 --> 01:15:29,787
I mean for me,
knowing that Kane is our
1455
01:15:29,789 --> 01:15:32,190
stunt coordinator,
I know I don't have
1456
01:15:32,192 --> 01:15:34,925
to worry about getting
hurt, so I always say
1457
01:15:34,927 --> 01:15:37,629
if Kane's coordinating
I'm doing my own stunts.
1458
01:15:37,631 --> 01:15:40,197
Unless Kane says you
can't do this Dee,
1459
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,603
is the only time
that I won't do it.
1460
01:15:44,704 --> 01:15:46,737
When Adam first
talked to me about
1461
01:15:46,739 --> 01:15:49,307
playing Victor, I asked him if I
1462
01:15:49,309 --> 01:15:53,745
could do something
as another character
1463
01:15:53,747 --> 01:15:56,080
and show some emotion
because I wanted
1464
01:15:56,082 --> 01:15:58,349
to show people that
I could do something
1465
01:15:58,351 --> 01:16:01,655
other than just
violently kill them.
1466
01:16:02,823 --> 01:16:05,223
So that's when he came
up with the idea of the
1467
01:16:05,225 --> 01:16:09,227
father, he said let's have
you play Victor's father.
1468
01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:10,861
I already believed that Kane
1469
01:16:10,863 --> 01:16:12,930
could play Victor
Crowley's father,
1470
01:16:12,932 --> 01:16:17,268
so it's funny, he
approached that as
1471
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:19,838
let me prove to you
that I can do this.
1472
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,406
He was already cast,
and I don't know
1473
01:16:21,408 --> 01:16:22,807
if I should admit that, but I
1474
01:16:22,809 --> 01:16:24,342
already believed he could do it.
1475
01:16:24,344 --> 01:16:26,010
Just sat
there for almost 10 years
1476
01:16:26,012 --> 01:16:27,845
before he finally died
of a broken heart.
1477
01:16:27,847 --> 01:16:30,815
And I think he surprised
himself a few times,
1478
01:16:30,817 --> 01:16:33,852
but I just love that he's
up for the challenge.
1479
01:16:33,854 --> 01:16:36,286
I mean we all draw from
our own life experiences
1480
01:16:36,288 --> 01:16:39,057
and they help us become
who we are and how we
1481
01:16:39,059 --> 01:16:41,925
deal with things and how
willing we are to open up.
1482
01:16:41,927 --> 01:16:45,397
He got to be himself and
not be covered in makeup.
1483
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:50,605
And he cried on camera for
real for the first time.
1484
01:16:51,771 --> 01:16:54,938
He was so inspired
and moved by that.
1485
01:16:54,940 --> 01:16:58,143
He got out of monster
stuntman, gonna do what
1486
01:16:58,145 --> 01:16:59,878
I know how to do and I'm gonna
1487
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:01,845
literally take the mask off and
1488
01:17:01,847 --> 01:17:03,380
I'm gonna be
vulnerable, and that's
1489
01:17:03,382 --> 01:17:04,883
something that I think is really
1490
01:17:04,885 --> 01:17:08,085
hard for a lot of
people, especially a man,
1491
01:17:08,087 --> 01:17:10,021
and someone like
Kane, so when he did
1492
01:17:10,023 --> 01:17:13,058
the scene he got a
taste of the bug.
1493
01:17:13,060 --> 01:17:15,759
They say when you get
the bug it's like a drug.
1494
01:17:15,761 --> 01:17:18,429
So it worked out
very well, that started
1495
01:17:18,431 --> 01:17:20,932
all the people
thinking wait a second,
1496
01:17:20,934 --> 01:17:24,302
he can do something
else, so let's try this.
1497
01:17:24,304 --> 01:17:26,172
That was the beginning
of all of it.
1498
01:17:32,779 --> 01:17:34,411
Every time I see
Kane at a convention,
1499
01:17:34,413 --> 01:17:36,447
of course we're always
choking each other,
1500
01:17:36,449 --> 01:17:37,816
that's the first thing we do,
1501
01:17:37,818 --> 01:17:39,918
we just go over and
choke each other.
1502
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,085
He can really choke you.
1503
01:17:41,087 --> 01:17:42,821
He's like, Kane,
we're just joking
1504
01:17:42,823 --> 01:17:44,289
around, you're
like turning blue.
1505
01:17:44,291 --> 01:17:45,990
Kane definitely
choked me one time,
1506
01:17:45,992 --> 01:17:49,126
he grabbed me, he's a
tremendously powerful man
1507
01:17:49,128 --> 01:17:53,964
and his hands are large,
so when he puts the grip
1508
01:17:53,966 --> 01:17:56,735
around your neck it's
surprisingly tighter than
1509
01:17:56,737 --> 01:17:58,937
you think it's gonna
be, so you're like
1510
01:17:58,939 --> 01:18:01,339
oh wow, that's fun,
I can't breathe.
1511
01:18:01,341 --> 01:18:03,778
I'm known for choking
people at conventions.
1512
01:18:05,078 --> 01:18:09,182
Anybody that's had me do it
knows that I choke you for real.
1513
01:18:10,317 --> 01:18:12,750
I don't say it in
a cavalier way,
1514
01:18:12,752 --> 01:18:14,986
it's just what I've
become known for.
1515
01:18:14,988 --> 01:18:17,088
People love it and
they love to bring
1516
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:19,523
their friends who
have never met me
1517
01:18:19,525 --> 01:18:22,227
because they can't wait
to watch the reaction of
1518
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:23,961
the person 'cause they've
all been through it.
1519
01:18:23,963 --> 01:18:26,964
Watching people turn
blue as he chokes them.
1520
01:18:29,069 --> 01:18:31,236
Yeah, they're a
little unexpected.
1521
01:18:33,273 --> 01:18:35,106
I thought I was dying
'cause I was like I'm
1522
01:18:35,108 --> 01:18:37,875
fucking getting choked
what's going on, holy shit.
1523
01:18:37,877 --> 01:18:40,245
Yeah, it does seem
real, you can feel the
1524
01:18:40,247 --> 01:18:42,045
pressure of the hand
grip around your neck.
1525
01:18:42,047 --> 01:18:43,214
It definitely felt real.
1526
01:18:43,216 --> 01:18:44,982
It felt real and it's awesome.
1527
01:18:44,984 --> 01:18:46,183
Does he ever choke you?
1528
01:18:46,185 --> 01:18:47,384
It hurts.
1529
01:18:47,386 --> 01:18:49,553
He choked me to
death, I don't know.
1530
01:18:49,555 --> 01:18:51,054
I introduced
Kane to my mom and
1531
01:18:51,056 --> 01:18:52,790
he's like come
here, and he does it
1532
01:18:52,792 --> 01:18:55,794
and I'm just like that's
my mom, Kane, stop!
1533
01:18:55,796 --> 01:18:56,731
She can't breathe!
1534
01:18:57,698 --> 01:18:59,863
I've been choked by
Kane quite a few times.
1535
01:18:59,865 --> 01:19:00,865
It shocks you a little bit.
1536
01:19:00,867 --> 01:19:02,000
I guess that's the idea.
1537
01:19:02,002 --> 01:19:05,172
I was new to Kane's
choking tricks.
1538
01:19:06,305 --> 01:19:08,540
Kane put his hands
on mine and started
1539
01:19:08,542 --> 01:19:10,974
squeezing really
hard and I realized
1540
01:19:10,976 --> 01:19:12,544
oh my God and there
was nothing I could do
1541
01:19:12,546 --> 01:19:15,513
in terms of
countering his power.
1542
01:19:15,515 --> 01:19:18,817
Kane was really
choking and I panicked.
1543
01:19:18,819 --> 01:19:21,553
He'll grab someone,
he'll grab them.
1544
01:19:21,555 --> 01:19:23,457
I mean you'll hear them go.
1545
01:19:25,125 --> 01:19:26,456
He really gets in
there, I think he
1546
01:19:26,458 --> 01:19:30,027
enjoys actually scaring
people for real.
1547
01:19:30,029 --> 01:19:32,062
He's the only one
I've let choke me, so.
1548
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,901
People love to get
choked out by Kane Hodder.
1549
01:19:36,903 --> 01:19:38,001
I don't get it.
1550
01:19:38,003 --> 01:19:39,571
I don't understand.
1551
01:19:39,573 --> 01:19:41,004
It does nothing for me.
1552
01:19:42,475 --> 01:19:44,843
But I guess that's
your chance to be
1553
01:19:44,845 --> 01:19:47,047
in a scene essentially
with Jason.
1554
01:19:48,247 --> 01:19:50,447
Well my experiences
with Kane are not
1555
01:19:50,449 --> 01:19:52,250
horror related, my
experiences with
1556
01:19:52,252 --> 01:19:54,384
Kane are comedy
related, and what a lot
1557
01:19:54,386 --> 01:19:58,121
of people don't know is
that Kane is very funny.
1558
01:19:58,123 --> 01:19:59,991
He's a natural comic.
1559
01:19:59,993 --> 01:20:02,326
By the time we got
to Holliston, I mean at
1560
01:20:02,328 --> 01:20:04,495
this point Kane doesn't
even need to see
1561
01:20:04,497 --> 01:20:06,397
a script I don't
think, I just say
1562
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:09,166
oh hey, we're doing this,
and he'll be like great.
1563
01:20:09,168 --> 01:20:13,338
He said he wanted me
to play myself in it.
1564
01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:14,873
I thought that's interesting.
1565
01:20:14,875 --> 01:20:17,208
The idea of making
fun of the whole
1566
01:20:17,210 --> 01:20:19,309
Kane losing the
character of Jason
1567
01:20:19,311 --> 01:20:21,379
in Freddy Versus
Jason thing and making
1568
01:20:21,381 --> 01:20:23,348
that a plot point and having him
1569
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:25,616
own it and laugh at it and make
1570
01:20:25,618 --> 01:20:28,952
fun of it was huge, and for me
1571
01:20:28,954 --> 01:20:31,222
I was just like I
hope he gets it.
1572
01:20:31,224 --> 01:20:33,657
And this was somewhat
a touchy subject
1573
01:20:33,659 --> 01:20:36,894
not long before this,
he said now I want
1574
01:20:36,896 --> 01:20:40,197
you to freak out and
try to kill yourself
1575
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:43,336
every time somebody says
Freddy Versus Jason.
1576
01:20:44,503 --> 01:20:47,304
I was like wow,
that is going into
1577
01:20:47,306 --> 01:20:50,308
an area that was once
very sensitive to me,
1578
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:54,515
but maybe it's time
to make light of that.
1579
01:20:55,414 --> 01:20:56,580
That's exactly what we did.
1580
01:20:56,582 --> 01:20:58,950
Oh God.
1581
01:20:58,952 --> 01:20:59,616
Oh!
1582
01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:01,619
Hey.
1583
01:21:01,621 --> 01:21:03,153
He got it, and he
realized hey, if I
1584
01:21:03,155 --> 01:21:05,490
do this, it goes away finally.
1585
01:21:05,492 --> 01:21:07,392
If I'm the one to stand here and
1586
01:21:07,394 --> 01:21:09,393
make jokes about it
and be all pathetic
1587
01:21:09,395 --> 01:21:12,095
and try to kill myself
anytime somebody says
1588
01:21:12,097 --> 01:21:15,599
Freddy Versus Jason, nobody
can say anything anymore.
1589
01:21:15,601 --> 01:21:18,135
So I tried to
make fun of it and
1590
01:21:18,137 --> 01:21:20,604
the fans responded
to it, they respected
1591
01:21:20,606 --> 01:21:24,675
the fact that I could
finally do that.
1592
01:21:24,677 --> 01:21:26,177
It was a fun thing to do.
1593
01:21:26,179 --> 01:21:28,047
I don't have any friends.
1594
01:21:29,149 --> 01:21:30,517
I'm not even Jason anymore.
1595
01:21:31,650 --> 01:21:33,684
Now I'm gonna get
stuck doing shit
1596
01:21:33,686 --> 01:21:37,021
Friday the 13th ripoffs
with wannabe young directors
1597
01:21:37,023 --> 01:21:39,624
that think they're making
the next horror icon.
1598
01:21:39,626 --> 01:21:41,459
Nice ad-lib, dick.
1599
01:21:41,461 --> 01:21:42,626
You like that?
1600
01:21:42,628 --> 01:21:46,664
I've never had an
acting class in my life.
1601
01:21:46,666 --> 01:21:51,337
I did do a stage production
in high school.
1602
01:22:21,667 --> 01:22:24,369
I enjoyed performing,
but I had never
1603
01:22:24,371 --> 01:22:26,737
been trained and
still hadn't ever
1604
01:22:26,739 --> 01:22:29,475
had any formal acting training.
1605
01:22:30,643 --> 01:22:34,579
If I do in fact have any
talent with acting it's
1606
01:22:34,581 --> 01:22:39,586
gotta be from watching
quality actors work in person.
1607
01:22:44,524 --> 01:22:48,058
Did a movie called Monster
with Charlize Theron.
1608
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:50,697
I was the stunt
coordinator on the movie.
1609
01:22:52,064 --> 01:22:54,232
I always say that
was some of my best
1610
01:22:54,234 --> 01:22:56,500
acting training was
watching her work.
1611
01:22:56,502 --> 01:22:58,402
I was on the set every day
helping her through the
1612
01:22:58,404 --> 01:23:03,344
action stuff and watching
her prepare and do scenes.
1613
01:23:04,444 --> 01:23:05,643
Then the director
said you know, I think
1614
01:23:05,645 --> 01:23:07,181
I want you to play
a cop in this movie.
1615
01:23:08,113 --> 01:23:10,348
I was like a cop, wow.
1616
01:23:10,350 --> 01:23:11,715
I'm always a bad guy,
this is one of the
1617
01:23:11,717 --> 01:23:15,352
first times I've been
asked to play a good guy.
1618
01:23:15,354 --> 01:23:17,554
I'm gonna be a cop,
finally something good,
1619
01:23:17,556 --> 01:23:18,555
and she goes yeah, you're gonna
1620
01:23:18,557 --> 01:23:21,392
be undercover in a biker bar.
1621
01:23:21,394 --> 01:23:23,294
Oh, well there you go.
1622
01:23:23,296 --> 01:23:24,629
Same thing as always.
1623
01:23:24,631 --> 01:23:26,533
Two whiskeys, two
beers for the lady.
1624
01:23:29,269 --> 01:23:30,701
I'm VG.
1625
01:23:30,703 --> 01:23:31,638
Come in here much?
1626
01:23:34,606 --> 01:23:35,641
Oh come on.
1627
01:23:42,381 --> 01:23:45,383
But it was very
cool to do a scene
1628
01:23:45,385 --> 01:23:48,718
with someone who wins an
Oscar for the character
1629
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,722
that they're playing in
the scene you're doing.
1630
01:23:51,724 --> 01:23:54,759
I was so proud of
him for doing that
1631
01:23:54,761 --> 01:23:57,164
'cause it was such
an amazing movie.
1632
01:23:58,465 --> 01:24:01,232
All of us get pigeonholed
into certain things
1633
01:24:01,234 --> 01:24:04,634
and to break out of
that has been amazing.
1634
01:24:04,636 --> 01:24:07,104
He made that
transition from stuntman
1635
01:24:07,106 --> 01:24:11,576
to stunt coordinator
to actor and really
1636
01:24:11,578 --> 01:24:16,313
did all three very effectively.
1637
01:24:16,315 --> 01:24:17,548
Personally I love
seeing him without
1638
01:24:17,550 --> 01:24:19,450
the makeup because
he is a good actor
1639
01:24:19,452 --> 01:24:20,785
and people are
finally giving him
1640
01:24:20,787 --> 01:24:23,821
a chance to show
his acting chops.
1641
01:24:23,823 --> 01:24:27,458
Another guy that I
credit to helping me expand
1642
01:24:27,460 --> 01:24:31,361
my acting career in a
big way was Mike Feifer.
1643
01:24:31,363 --> 01:24:33,598
I think that Kane was
at a place in his career
1644
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,766
where he was looking
to do real roles,
1645
01:24:35,768 --> 01:24:38,468
to actually show
that he could act.
1646
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:40,470
I think, you can
imagine you're behind
1647
01:24:40,472 --> 01:24:44,775
the mask for so
long, nobody knows
1648
01:24:44,777 --> 01:24:46,710
who you are or
what you look like.
1649
01:24:46,712 --> 01:24:48,146
Kane is an actor.
1650
01:24:48,148 --> 01:24:50,647
He called and said
hey, I'm gonna do a
1651
01:24:50,649 --> 01:24:53,784
movie about Ed Gein, I
want you to be in it.
1652
01:24:53,786 --> 01:24:55,719
It's based on the story.
1653
01:24:55,721 --> 01:24:57,623
I think you would
be good in the role.
1654
01:24:59,192 --> 01:25:00,724
I was impressed that he
had that confidence in me.
1655
01:25:00,726 --> 01:25:02,759
I specifically
remember a moment where
1656
01:25:02,761 --> 01:25:04,762
he's sad and he's
upset and he has
1657
01:25:04,764 --> 01:25:06,696
a picture of his
mother and he drops
1658
01:25:06,698 --> 01:25:08,699
the picture and he hits the wall
1659
01:25:08,701 --> 01:25:11,768
and he slides down
the wall crying.
1660
01:25:11,770 --> 01:25:15,373
And I was like wow, I mean
there's somewhere he's reaching.
1661
01:25:15,375 --> 01:25:17,842
I tried to make
him uncomfortable
1662
01:25:17,844 --> 01:25:21,879
all the time, just
weird and creepy
1663
01:25:21,881 --> 01:25:24,248
'cause that's the
impression I got
1664
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:26,517
from reading books
about Ed that he
1665
01:25:26,519 --> 01:25:29,253
wasn't really that
terrifying, but everybody
1666
01:25:29,255 --> 01:25:32,557
was always like God,
that guy's weird.
1667
01:25:32,559 --> 01:25:34,925
So I tried to make him just feel
1668
01:25:34,927 --> 01:25:37,661
uncomfortable all
the time and it was
1669
01:25:37,663 --> 01:25:40,367
great playing a
character like that.
1670
01:25:43,536 --> 01:25:45,303
He said I liked what
you did in Ed Gein,
1671
01:25:45,305 --> 01:25:47,705
now I want you to
play Dennis Rader,
1672
01:25:47,707 --> 01:25:51,241
who was a guy known as
B.T.K., another real guy
1673
01:25:51,243 --> 01:25:54,644
who was a serial killer
and I loved that role
1674
01:25:54,646 --> 01:25:59,317
because here's a
character that an actor
1675
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:02,586
would die for because
he has to be really
1676
01:26:02,588 --> 01:26:05,555
likable in a lot of
scenes because that's
1677
01:26:05,557 --> 01:26:07,692
what the history was with him.
1678
01:26:07,694 --> 01:26:09,293
People loved the guy.
1679
01:26:09,295 --> 01:26:11,595
He was a church president,
he was a Boy Scout leader,
1680
01:26:11,597 --> 01:26:14,831
and then he was a
murderous maniac.
1681
01:26:14,833 --> 01:26:16,299
That's right, girls.
1682
01:26:16,301 --> 01:26:17,500
Your father has been chosen to
1683
01:26:17,502 --> 01:26:19,438
take the church down a new path.
1684
01:26:23,710 --> 01:26:26,777
I think he really
creepily enjoyed
1685
01:26:26,779 --> 01:26:28,812
playing that character,
so it was fun
1686
01:26:28,814 --> 01:26:30,848
to watch Kane inhabit
this role of this
1687
01:26:30,850 --> 01:26:33,918
straight guy who's
really mean and nasty.
1688
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:42,660
Kane and I are doing a movie
together called Death House.
1689
01:26:42,662 --> 01:26:44,461
Directed by a guy
named Harrison Smith.
1690
01:26:44,463 --> 01:26:46,763
What I love about
Kane is that he
1691
01:26:46,765 --> 01:26:48,965
speaks exactly
what's on his mind.
1692
01:26:48,967 --> 01:26:51,369
And it was a lot of
fun working with Kane.
1693
01:26:51,371 --> 01:26:53,870
It's awesome, it's like
The Expendables of horror.
1694
01:26:53,872 --> 01:26:56,273
It's got all kinds of
horror stars in it.
1695
01:26:56,275 --> 01:26:58,409
Kane's the big bad
guy in the script.
1696
01:26:58,411 --> 01:27:00,745
Kane's character
Sieg has a very
1697
01:27:00,747 --> 01:27:02,612
unique ability to regenerate.
1698
01:27:02,614 --> 01:27:05,650
So he gets shot, bullet holes
seal up, things like that.
1699
01:27:05,652 --> 01:27:07,487
The way out is not that way.
1700
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:09,389
It's down.
1701
01:27:10,622 --> 01:27:11,490
To them.
1702
01:27:12,891 --> 01:27:14,025
With me.
1703
01:27:14,027 --> 01:27:17,561
To work with him as an
actor, consummate professional.
1704
01:27:17,563 --> 01:27:20,063
He's really concerned about
the quality of his performance.
1705
01:27:20,065 --> 01:27:22,799
Most of all, that
imagination of his,
1706
01:27:22,801 --> 01:27:25,402
he brought, I mean
he was the character.
1707
01:27:25,404 --> 01:27:26,771
That's what I loved
about him, he took this
1708
01:27:26,773 --> 01:27:28,906
totally seriously, and
after we were done shooting
1709
01:27:28,908 --> 01:27:31,445
Bill Moseley said, he
goes this is Kane's movie.
1710
01:27:32,578 --> 01:27:35,045
Now Bill Moseley is
also hyper intelligent,
1711
01:27:35,047 --> 01:27:38,648
so when you get Kane and
Bill Moseley together,
1712
01:27:38,650 --> 01:27:39,884
I mean I just sit there and it's
1713
01:27:39,886 --> 01:27:42,585
like they're talking
in.
1714
01:27:42,587 --> 01:27:43,920
It's like I have
no idea what these
1715
01:27:43,922 --> 01:27:45,790
two guys are talking
to each other about.
1716
01:27:45,792 --> 01:27:47,924
But they both have
really bizarre sense
1717
01:27:47,926 --> 01:27:51,461
of humor, so it's
always so much fun.
1718
01:27:51,463 --> 01:27:53,930
And Kane is especially
smart, and I think he
1719
01:27:53,932 --> 01:27:56,967
prides himself on
talking about his MENSA,
1720
01:27:56,969 --> 01:27:58,835
'cause a lot of
times we play pretty
1721
01:27:58,837 --> 01:28:02,673
dumb, scary, one
note characters.
1722
01:28:02,675 --> 01:28:04,875
I will fuck you in Hell.
1723
01:28:04,877 --> 01:28:08,478
It's been in the
works for a while and
1724
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:11,848
some of the best horror
icons are involved.
1725
01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:13,616
I don't know what
Kane's career would've
1726
01:28:13,618 --> 01:28:16,419
taken had he been cast
in Freddy Versus Jason.
1727
01:28:16,421 --> 01:28:19,423
It didn't happen and
Kane, being a survivor
1728
01:28:19,425 --> 01:28:21,959
that he is, and most of
all transcending that
1729
01:28:21,961 --> 01:28:25,729
mask role, went off and
forged another career.
1730
01:28:25,731 --> 01:28:27,365
Nobody handed it
to him, he worked
1731
01:28:27,367 --> 01:28:29,700
his balls off to
get back, and I mean
1732
01:28:29,702 --> 01:28:31,434
he worked and he
worked and he worked
1733
01:28:31,436 --> 01:28:33,403
and it finally paid
off, he got the
1734
01:28:33,405 --> 01:28:35,873
Jason, the Victor Crowley
and things like that,
1735
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:38,976
and honestly, just
me, I'm proud of him
1736
01:28:38,978 --> 01:28:41,711
because I've known
him for a long time.
1737
01:28:41,713 --> 01:28:43,446
I know where he
came from, I know
1738
01:28:43,448 --> 01:28:45,951
the things that vexed
him a little bit.
1739
01:28:53,693 --> 01:28:56,794
While the burns scarred
him physically forever,
1740
01:28:56,796 --> 01:29:00,930
the worst effects from the
burns were actually mental.
1741
01:29:00,932 --> 01:29:04,869
I was burned when I was
a child on 35% of my body.
1742
01:29:04,871 --> 01:29:06,836
We have talked about
that and discussed it,
1743
01:29:06,838 --> 01:29:09,607
and I think we felt
a little bit of
1744
01:29:09,609 --> 01:29:13,878
comradery because of
our burns and getting
1745
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,580
through your life and
trying to deal with that.
1746
01:29:16,582 --> 01:29:19,150
Most patients the
recovery is difficult
1747
01:29:19,152 --> 01:29:22,486
because of posttraumatic stress.
1748
01:29:22,488 --> 01:29:24,621
As a little kid I
had a really amazingly
1749
01:29:24,623 --> 01:29:26,656
hard time, and really
all my life with it,
1750
01:29:26,658 --> 01:29:28,125
and to go through
what he's gone through
1751
01:29:28,127 --> 01:29:30,628
I can't even imagine
because it took me
1752
01:29:30,630 --> 01:29:32,632
my whole life to be
able to deal with it.
1753
01:29:35,167 --> 01:29:37,670
I started getting
the feelings of...
1754
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:44,575
And it's been, I've
been to many therapists
1755
01:29:44,577 --> 01:29:46,910
and stuff and it's
been classified as
1756
01:29:46,912 --> 01:29:49,479
PTSD type thing
from the accident,
1757
01:29:49,481 --> 01:29:52,849
everything I went
through, slowly manifested
1758
01:29:52,851 --> 01:29:56,786
itself because since
my parents and my
1759
01:29:56,788 --> 01:29:58,656
sisters were the only
ones that saw me,
1760
01:29:58,658 --> 01:30:01,025
and I got a staph
infection and almost
1761
01:30:01,027 --> 01:30:04,128
died as a result, that
somehow I've come to the
1762
01:30:04,130 --> 01:30:07,630
conclusion within my
brain, not consciously,
1763
01:30:07,632 --> 01:30:12,405
but that they had
something to do with that.
1764
01:30:13,506 --> 01:30:16,740
So for some reason,
years later, gradually I
1765
01:30:16,742 --> 01:30:21,748
started feeling that
if my parents or my
1766
01:30:22,849 --> 01:30:26,250
sisters came to where
I lived, then they
1767
01:30:26,252 --> 01:30:28,455
were bringing something
bad with them.
1768
01:30:29,855 --> 01:30:33,123
It's almost the worst
part of this whole ordeal.
1769
01:30:33,125 --> 01:30:34,692
Everyone that had
anything to do with
1770
01:30:34,694 --> 01:30:39,229
him at that time was
suddenly infected,
1771
01:30:39,231 --> 01:30:42,266
they were contaminated in a way.
1772
01:30:42,268 --> 01:30:43,733
Even his own mother,
who was the one
1773
01:30:43,735 --> 01:30:44,968
who took care of him
and stretched him
1774
01:30:44,970 --> 01:30:46,970
and did every single
thing afterwards
1775
01:30:46,972 --> 01:30:49,507
when he came home, all
the therapy with him,
1776
01:30:49,509 --> 01:30:51,141
if she wanted to
see Kane she had
1777
01:30:51,143 --> 01:30:53,076
to go through what
he calls a process.
1778
01:30:53,078 --> 01:30:55,245
I would have to
have them, once they
1779
01:30:55,247 --> 01:30:59,849
arrived at the house,
give me everything
1780
01:30:59,851 --> 01:31:01,117
they brought with
them so I can put
1781
01:31:01,119 --> 01:31:03,254
it in the washing
machine, they'd have
1782
01:31:03,256 --> 01:31:08,462
to go immediately
into the shower and
1783
01:31:09,127 --> 01:31:10,593
get rid of whatever they brought
1784
01:31:10,595 --> 01:31:12,830
with them, that's
how it felt to me.
1785
01:31:12,832 --> 01:31:15,732
If I washed all their
clothes and they took
1786
01:31:15,734 --> 01:31:18,302
a shower, then I was fine
with them being in the house.
1787
01:31:18,304 --> 01:31:20,571
It's ridiculous,
I'm the first one
1788
01:31:20,573 --> 01:31:22,906
to admit that it's
ridiculous, but it
1789
01:31:22,908 --> 01:31:26,277
was something I
could not control.
1790
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:28,912
I would either ask
them to do that
1791
01:31:28,914 --> 01:31:30,613
or I wouldn't be
able to have them
1792
01:31:30,615 --> 01:31:32,853
come to the house,
so what's worse?
1793
01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:36,653
Now that my mom
is gone, I've seem
1794
01:31:36,655 --> 01:31:40,124
to have lost touch
with everyone.
1795
01:31:40,126 --> 01:31:43,227
It's a sad thing
because I was always
1796
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:46,095
very close to my
family and obviously
1797
01:31:46,097 --> 01:31:51,070
it's basically, it's
my fault that I don't.
1798
01:31:52,238 --> 01:31:53,571
He lost a lot
of family members
1799
01:31:53,573 --> 01:31:54,772
because of it
because they couldn't
1800
01:31:54,774 --> 01:31:56,173
understand the
OCD that Kane had.
1801
01:31:56,175 --> 01:31:58,909
It's not something
I'm proud of certainly.
1802
01:31:58,911 --> 01:32:01,711
I'm ashamed of it,
but it's just the
1803
01:32:01,713 --> 01:32:05,184
one thing I was
not able to beat.
1804
01:32:06,652 --> 01:32:08,686
And I have to live with that.
1805
01:32:17,195 --> 01:32:18,899
I don't give up on anything.
1806
01:32:20,231 --> 01:32:23,202
My wife and kids know that and
they mean everything to me.
1807
01:32:25,371 --> 01:32:27,806
My wife Susan is very...
1808
01:32:29,074 --> 01:32:31,677
She's a therapist,
she has a practice.
1809
01:32:32,778 --> 01:32:35,079
For many years
helping people cope
1810
01:32:35,081 --> 01:32:36,312
with certain problems and stuff,
1811
01:32:36,314 --> 01:32:40,951
so she's very caring
and empathetic.
1812
01:32:40,953 --> 01:32:43,690
And helps people get through
some stuff, including me.
1813
01:32:44,823 --> 01:32:46,656
I'm probably her
star client because
1814
01:32:46,658 --> 01:32:49,360
I've had so many
issues that she's
1815
01:32:49,362 --> 01:32:52,963
helped me deal with
and been very patient.
1816
01:32:52,965 --> 01:32:54,831
I think what was
horrifying to me was
1817
01:32:54,833 --> 01:32:57,134
not so much the burn
story, which is bad enough,
1818
01:32:57,136 --> 01:32:59,102
but then the recovery
story was really
1819
01:32:59,104 --> 01:33:02,238
I think much longer and
more tedious than it
1820
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,842
could have been, or than
it should have been.
1821
01:33:04,844 --> 01:33:06,276
Being in the hospital
for six months
1822
01:33:06,278 --> 01:33:09,315
I think made him a much
more sensitive person.
1823
01:33:10,416 --> 01:33:13,282
It made him a much
more generous person.
1824
01:33:13,284 --> 01:33:15,753
I love hanging out
with Kane and his family
1825
01:33:15,755 --> 01:33:18,722
because we were
knuckleheads, we were young
1826
01:33:18,724 --> 01:33:20,357
knuckleheads for a
long time and then we
1827
01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:23,126
both started families
about the same time
1828
01:33:23,128 --> 01:33:26,196
and I knew him with Susan
and his relationship
1829
01:33:26,198 --> 01:33:29,199
and their dynamic
is great, they're so
1830
01:33:29,201 --> 01:33:31,669
different and yet
they complement
1831
01:33:31,671 --> 01:33:34,772
each other and it's
just so fun to watch.
1832
01:33:34,774 --> 01:33:37,407
When we first
started dating I was
1833
01:33:37,409 --> 01:33:39,308
a set decorator, but
I stopped because
1834
01:33:39,310 --> 01:33:41,745
it was exhausting
and really hard and
1835
01:33:41,747 --> 01:33:44,147
having two people, I
found, in a relationship
1836
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:48,018
that are in the same
field was really hard.
1837
01:33:48,020 --> 01:33:50,286
I think when Susan
started seeing me
1838
01:33:50,288 --> 01:33:53,290
really start working,
there had to be
1839
01:33:53,292 --> 01:33:58,298
an element of concern
with her considering
1840
01:33:59,431 --> 01:34:01,197
I was doing dangerous
stuff quite a bit.
1841
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:02,766
Earlier in his
career it's a little
1842
01:34:02,768 --> 01:34:04,468
nerveracking, and
there was a few times
1843
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:06,169
when he would be
doing, like if he was
1844
01:34:06,171 --> 01:34:08,304
doing average things
and car stunts,
1845
01:34:08,306 --> 01:34:10,441
those didn't worry
me, but things
1846
01:34:10,443 --> 01:34:12,710
where he could get
seriously hurt.
1847
01:34:12,712 --> 01:34:17,414
Perfect example was I doing
a movie called House II.
1848
01:34:17,416 --> 01:34:19,916
I was testing a rope,
there was a rope
1849
01:34:19,918 --> 01:34:22,052
hung from the permanence
in the sound stage.
1850
01:34:22,054 --> 01:34:23,720
One of the characters
had to swing
1851
01:34:23,722 --> 01:34:25,822
on the rope from
the top of the set
1852
01:34:25,824 --> 01:34:28,192
on a long swing
down into the set
1853
01:34:28,194 --> 01:34:30,827
and then up the other side and
1854
01:34:30,829 --> 01:34:33,129
then back to the top
of the temple again.
1855
01:34:33,131 --> 01:34:35,898
I swung out, and as I
was swinging back in
1856
01:34:35,900 --> 01:34:38,768
I hit part of the
set and it knocked me
1857
01:34:38,770 --> 01:34:40,803
off the rope and I
fell pretty close
1858
01:34:40,805 --> 01:34:43,440
to 25 feet to the
stage floor and hit
1859
01:34:43,442 --> 01:34:47,111
really hard, and
right at that moment
1860
01:34:47,113 --> 01:34:49,879
Susan arrived on
the set to visit.
1861
01:34:49,881 --> 01:34:51,848
I just came down
to visit, he was
1862
01:34:51,850 --> 01:34:53,317
really excited to
be on the movie.
1863
01:34:53,319 --> 01:34:55,384
And one of the
stunt guys I had there
1864
01:34:55,386 --> 01:34:58,287
for the day ran
over to her and said
1865
01:34:58,289 --> 01:35:00,491
oh my God, we
thought he was dead.
1866
01:35:00,493 --> 01:35:02,358
Oh my God, I thought he
was dead, and I'm like...
1867
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,061
What?
1868
01:35:04,063 --> 01:35:05,428
Wait, what do you mean?
1869
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:06,830
What are you talking about
you thought he was dead?
1870
01:35:06,832 --> 01:35:08,766
And then she found
out I had fallen.
1871
01:35:08,768 --> 01:35:10,970
They showed me
where he had fallen.
1872
01:35:12,337 --> 01:35:15,071
I think since that
day, that was the
1873
01:35:15,073 --> 01:35:17,441
instance why I
don't go to the set.
1874
01:35:17,443 --> 01:35:19,175
I think I've brought
the kids and we've
1875
01:35:19,177 --> 01:35:21,512
visited the set,
but I don't like to
1876
01:35:21,514 --> 01:35:23,847
watch him work and I
think he's nervous.
1877
01:35:23,849 --> 01:35:27,151
I have two sons, Jace
and Reed, and they're
1878
01:35:27,153 --> 01:35:31,955
very responsible, smart,
well-adjusted kids.
1879
01:35:31,957 --> 01:35:35,291
He really is a wonderful dad
and he's totally plugged in.
1880
01:35:35,293 --> 01:35:37,561
It's amazing that
Kane is able to
1881
01:35:37,563 --> 01:35:39,329
keep two completely
different lives.
1882
01:35:39,331 --> 01:35:41,130
He has this life
of flying all over
1883
01:35:41,132 --> 01:35:43,066
the world and
putting on makeup and
1884
01:35:43,068 --> 01:35:45,067
ripping heads off of
people, and then he
1885
01:35:45,069 --> 01:35:46,536
goes home and sits
on his couch and
1886
01:35:46,538 --> 01:35:49,106
watches a TV show
with his family.
1887
01:35:49,108 --> 01:35:51,541
If you saw a shot of
them sitting there you
1888
01:35:51,543 --> 01:35:52,875
would think they're no different
1889
01:35:52,877 --> 01:35:54,044
than any other
family in the world.
1890
01:35:54,046 --> 01:35:55,879
It's really cool
that he can keep up
1891
01:35:55,881 --> 01:35:57,947
the balance of both
of those and not
1892
01:35:57,949 --> 01:36:00,217
let the two bleed into
each other too much.
1893
01:36:00,219 --> 01:36:02,952
When he's home
we still enjoy our
1894
01:36:02,954 --> 01:36:04,888
time together
watching TV and movies
1895
01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:06,255
and stuff like
that, finding one of
1896
01:36:06,257 --> 01:36:07,491
his movies every
once in a while,
1897
01:36:07,493 --> 01:36:09,293
watching a little bit of that,
1898
01:36:09,295 --> 01:36:11,160
him realizing how old it is and
1899
01:36:11,162 --> 01:36:12,865
then switching to a new channel.
1900
01:36:13,998 --> 01:36:15,165
I think some of
my favorite memories
1901
01:36:15,167 --> 01:36:18,568
are probably when we
hang out together.
1902
01:36:18,570 --> 01:36:20,870
Most fathers and
sons don't really
1903
01:36:20,872 --> 01:36:22,205
hang out that much
together, but I
1904
01:36:22,207 --> 01:36:23,574
really enjoy
hanging out with him
1905
01:36:23,576 --> 01:36:25,041
instead of going out
with my friends at night.
1906
01:36:25,043 --> 01:36:26,410
Both of my sons,
when they visited
1907
01:36:26,412 --> 01:36:29,213
when I was shooting
Jason X, I was in full
1908
01:36:29,215 --> 01:36:31,281
costume and I have a
picture with both of them.
1909
01:36:31,283 --> 01:36:34,451
That was one of my
favorite sets to visit.
1910
01:36:34,453 --> 01:36:37,053
I was pretty young,
and I mean seeing
1911
01:36:37,055 --> 01:36:38,856
all the people in their makeup,
1912
01:36:38,858 --> 01:36:40,389
seeing how futuristic
everything looked.
1913
01:36:40,391 --> 01:36:42,291
It was a really
unique experience
1914
01:36:42,293 --> 01:36:44,527
to be on the set of
a movie with my dad
1915
01:36:44,529 --> 01:36:49,536
and seeing him in person
acting was really cool.
1916
01:36:50,869 --> 01:36:52,068
The funny thing
about Kane is he has
1917
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:54,537
this intense presence
about him, but he's
1918
01:36:54,539 --> 01:36:58,208
the nicest, kindest guy
once you get to know him.
1919
01:36:58,210 --> 01:37:00,509
Most people wouldn't
think of Kane as being
1920
01:37:00,511 --> 01:37:05,182
a nice, basically
mellow, soft spoken guy.
1921
01:37:05,184 --> 01:37:07,317
I'm sure he has his
moments, but I think
1922
01:37:07,319 --> 01:37:10,152
that would be very surprising
to a lot of people.
1923
01:37:10,154 --> 01:37:13,123
Maybe he sews or does
macrame or something,
1924
01:37:13,125 --> 01:37:15,494
I'd be curious what
his hobbies are.
1925
01:37:19,998 --> 01:37:23,666
Kane is the entire
horror community.
1926
01:37:23,668 --> 01:37:25,936
I can say that bar none.
1927
01:37:25,938 --> 01:37:28,170
Kane's body language,
Kane's posture,
1928
01:37:28,172 --> 01:37:31,575
the hockey mask, the
way he moves, his bulk,
1929
01:37:31,577 --> 01:37:36,379
all of that is the
logo for the experience
1930
01:37:36,381 --> 01:37:41,386
of 30 odd years of
Friday the 13th films.
1931
01:37:43,021 --> 01:37:44,620
He's a horror icon.
1932
01:37:44,622 --> 01:37:47,190
Me being into the
horror genre and
1933
01:37:47,192 --> 01:37:49,660
loving horror
movies, he is Jason.
1934
01:37:49,662 --> 01:37:52,094
He is the epitome
of Jason, goddammit!
1935
01:37:52,096 --> 01:37:53,362
Know about it, motherfucker!
1936
01:37:53,364 --> 01:37:54,563
He's by far the best Jason.
1937
01:37:54,565 --> 01:37:57,500
He's known as Jason,
that's, you can't
1938
01:37:57,502 --> 01:37:59,503
really take that away.
1939
01:37:59,505 --> 01:38:02,138
I have to think
that of all of them,
1940
01:38:02,140 --> 01:38:04,273
and I've said this before, he is
1941
01:38:04,275 --> 01:38:06,143
the one, the only, and the best.
1942
01:38:06,145 --> 01:38:08,178
Nobody else can even
compete with him.
1943
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:10,379
As a leader, when
you're an icon,
1944
01:38:10,381 --> 01:38:12,115
if you wind up
playing a role that
1945
01:38:12,117 --> 01:38:13,416
becomes really
important to people,
1946
01:38:13,418 --> 01:38:16,352
there's a responsibility
that comes with that.
1947
01:38:16,354 --> 01:38:18,287
Kane's one of the few who really
1948
01:38:18,289 --> 01:38:20,627
takes that
responsibility seriously.
1949
01:38:21,993 --> 01:38:24,393
Well I think my
fans are the best.
1950
01:38:24,395 --> 01:38:26,996
There was a big
outcry from the fans
1951
01:38:26,998 --> 01:38:29,333
when I was replaced
as Jason, and that
1952
01:38:29,335 --> 01:38:31,735
made me feel good that I wasn't
1953
01:38:31,737 --> 01:38:35,138
the only one that
was disappointed.
1954
01:38:35,140 --> 01:38:37,741
Let's face it, if
we didn't have fans
1955
01:38:37,743 --> 01:38:40,677
we wouldn't be in the
place that we are.
1956
01:38:40,679 --> 01:38:42,713
I have a reputation of
being nice to the fans
1957
01:38:42,715 --> 01:38:45,482
and Kane has a
reputation of really
1958
01:38:45,484 --> 01:38:47,718
being fun with the
fans, they love it.
1959
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,187
He makes everybody have
their own special moment
1960
01:38:50,189 --> 01:38:53,089
to walk away with, he's
definitely a fan's fan.
1961
01:38:53,091 --> 01:38:55,258
Fans are everything to Kane.
1962
01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:57,660
He goes above and beyond.
1963
01:38:57,662 --> 01:39:00,263
Fans are completely the life
1964
01:39:00,265 --> 01:39:01,464
blood of the horror community.
1965
01:39:01,466 --> 01:39:03,733
You see dozens of
horror conventions
1966
01:39:03,735 --> 01:39:06,402
with people lined up
who wait hours to meet
1967
01:39:06,404 --> 01:39:08,472
their favorite celebrity
for a few seconds.
1968
01:39:08,474 --> 01:39:10,072
You might be
doing a convention
1969
01:39:10,074 --> 01:39:12,108
every weekend for
a year, or on tour
1970
01:39:12,110 --> 01:39:14,244
promoting something,
but for this person
1971
01:39:14,246 --> 01:39:16,213
they're waiting
all year for this
1972
01:39:16,215 --> 01:39:17,647
moment that you're
coming to their town
1973
01:39:17,649 --> 01:39:19,383
and they have something
they wanna tell you
1974
01:39:19,385 --> 01:39:23,620
or share with you, so you
can't ever forget that.
1975
01:39:23,622 --> 01:39:25,621
It doesn't matter what
else is going in your life,
1976
01:39:25,623 --> 01:39:26,757
everything could be
going to shit, you could
1977
01:39:26,759 --> 01:39:29,092
have the worst day
ever, you could be sick,
1978
01:39:29,094 --> 01:39:31,327
for those five, 10
minutes that this person's
1979
01:39:31,329 --> 01:39:33,763
gonna get to spend with
you, that's everything.
1980
01:39:33,765 --> 01:39:35,732
Kane really gets
that and that's why
1981
01:39:35,734 --> 01:39:38,101
the same fans will come
see him all the time.
1982
01:39:38,103 --> 01:39:39,035
It doesn't matter
that they already got
1983
01:39:39,037 --> 01:39:41,804
his autograph once,
they just wanna see him.
1984
01:39:41,806 --> 01:39:43,572
That's huge.
1985
01:39:43,574 --> 01:39:46,076
Even a couple people
in line ahead of me,
1986
01:39:46,078 --> 01:39:47,544
just how he was talking
to them, they'd ask
1987
01:39:47,546 --> 01:39:51,113
questions I'm sure he's
been asked 80 times a day
1988
01:39:51,115 --> 01:39:54,284
and he stills answers
enthusiastically as much,
1989
01:39:54,286 --> 01:39:56,318
but he's still got that
snarky asshole attitude
1990
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,822
that you love about it,
which makes it perfect.
1991
01:39:59,824 --> 01:40:04,126
The first photo we took, I
was wearing my hockey mask.
1992
01:40:04,128 --> 01:40:07,063
I did what Kane
does, I did the heavy
1993
01:40:07,065 --> 01:40:09,301
breathing where he lifts
up his shoulder like.
1994
01:40:11,403 --> 01:40:14,137
And tilted my head a little.
1995
01:40:14,139 --> 01:40:16,540
He smiled at that, I think
he thought that was cool.
1996
01:40:16,542 --> 01:40:21,547
He gets it, okay, just
like a few of us get it.
1997
01:40:22,713 --> 01:40:24,246
That the fans are
the ones that are
1998
01:40:24,248 --> 01:40:27,451
really important in
this whole scenario.
1999
01:40:27,453 --> 01:40:29,686
We're just guys doing our job.
2000
01:40:29,688 --> 01:40:32,455
The fans are the ones
that make it all happen.
2001
01:40:32,457 --> 01:40:34,156
They're the driving force.
2002
01:40:34,158 --> 01:40:35,791
Whenever I'm
with him in public,
2003
01:40:35,793 --> 01:40:37,326
and he gets
recognized by someone,
2004
01:40:37,328 --> 01:40:39,295
he's always happy
to take a picture.
2005
01:40:39,297 --> 01:40:40,863
They're really important
to him and that's why he
2006
01:40:40,865 --> 01:40:43,333
does so many conventions
to meet all of his fans.
2007
01:40:43,335 --> 01:40:45,835
People come to see
Kane Hodder for a reason,
2008
01:40:45,837 --> 01:40:50,272
over and over, I mean
his line never ends.
2009
01:40:50,274 --> 01:40:52,642
I was very envious of
him 'cause he had a line
2010
01:40:52,644 --> 01:40:56,545
going clear out the door and
I had nobody at my table.
2011
01:40:56,547 --> 01:40:59,348
He's so appreciative
and so good with the fans.
2012
01:40:59,350 --> 01:41:00,549
I don't think you could have a
2013
01:41:00,551 --> 01:41:03,186
better ambassador
for a franchise.
2014
01:41:03,188 --> 01:41:06,322
That whole segment of
fandom didn't get the respect.
2015
01:41:06,324 --> 01:41:08,491
Now I think everybody
realizes that
2016
01:41:08,493 --> 01:41:11,527
the horror movie, like
the science fiction
2017
01:41:11,529 --> 01:41:15,598
film or the fantasy
film, is a go to
2018
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:20,605
popcorn ingredient in
the soul of Hollywood.
2019
01:41:21,707 --> 01:41:22,839
Horror fans, they
tend to be very
2020
01:41:22,841 --> 01:41:25,208
fervent for some reason,
I'm not sure why.
2021
01:41:25,210 --> 01:41:28,814
You don't have people tattooing
Adam Sandler on their body.
2022
01:41:30,349 --> 01:41:32,549
I'm not sure why, maybe
that would be a good tattoo,
2023
01:41:32,551 --> 01:41:34,617
but Kane Hodder, I'm
sure he's on a lot
2024
01:41:34,619 --> 01:41:39,091
of bodies as a tattoo,
the classic face.
2025
01:41:42,694 --> 01:41:44,660
I do have this Kane
tattoo right here.
2026
01:41:44,662 --> 01:41:47,099
I have Jason from Part Seven.
2027
01:41:48,233 --> 01:41:49,866
I had gotten this
tattoo, it was the
2028
01:41:49,868 --> 01:41:52,369
first one I had on
this arm, and he comes
2029
01:41:52,371 --> 01:41:53,570
over me, he's like you're a huge
2030
01:41:53,572 --> 01:41:54,803
fucking fan, but
you got the wrong
2031
01:41:54,805 --> 01:41:56,940
Jason on your arm, and
then he socked me one
2032
01:41:56,942 --> 01:41:58,508
and I was like all
right, this is how
2033
01:41:58,510 --> 01:42:00,376
the relationship is
gonna go from now on.
2034
01:42:00,378 --> 01:42:02,278
Now he has a whole
new fan base of
2035
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:03,446
a younger generation who grew up
2036
01:42:03,448 --> 01:42:05,815
watching the Hatchet
series and those
2037
01:42:05,817 --> 01:42:08,817
kids' parents grew up
watching the Jason series,
2038
01:42:08,819 --> 01:42:11,787
so it's changed and
gave him a whole
2039
01:42:11,789 --> 01:42:14,657
new rebirth in his
career and now he's
2040
01:42:14,659 --> 01:42:16,826
doing almost 20
movies a year because
2041
01:42:16,828 --> 01:42:19,562
people wanna see him do stuff.
2042
01:42:19,564 --> 01:42:21,665
I think Kane is
relentless when it
2043
01:42:21,667 --> 01:42:23,599
comes to anything that
he's passionate about.
2044
01:42:23,601 --> 01:42:25,735
He overcame a lot of
things, and that's
2045
01:42:25,737 --> 01:42:27,771
by his own volition
by a force of will.
2046
01:42:27,773 --> 01:42:29,406
Some people just don't
have that in them
2047
01:42:29,408 --> 01:42:32,241
anymore, they give up,
they roll over and die.
2048
01:42:32,243 --> 01:42:35,277
Those are words I cannot
use to describe Kane Hodder.
2049
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:37,981
Whether you wanna draw
an analogy to Jason
2050
01:42:37,983 --> 01:42:41,785
who never dies, maybe
Kane never dies.
2051
01:42:41,787 --> 01:42:43,719
I'm blown away
by his history and
2052
01:42:43,721 --> 01:42:46,790
what he's gone through
and just how he's a
2053
01:42:46,792 --> 01:42:50,693
triumph and he's the
coolest man walking really.
2054
01:42:50,695 --> 01:42:54,397
A man with that much
fortitude, desire, and ambition
2055
01:42:54,399 --> 01:42:58,735
to go through what he
went through is amazing.
2056
01:42:58,737 --> 01:43:00,370
To go from what
happened to him to being
2057
01:43:00,372 --> 01:43:04,441
one of the best in the
business as a burn guy
2058
01:43:04,443 --> 01:43:06,476
I think pretty much tells
you all you need to know
2059
01:43:06,478 --> 01:43:09,478
about Kane, the guy's got
balls of freakin' steel.
2060
01:43:09,480 --> 01:43:11,548
A lot of people
would've just been well
2061
01:43:11,550 --> 01:43:13,616
I had my time and
that was my thing and
2062
01:43:13,618 --> 01:43:15,751
I'm just gonna be
put out to pasture
2063
01:43:15,753 --> 01:43:17,586
and do the
conventions, but he was
2064
01:43:17,588 --> 01:43:19,555
smart enough and
still hungry enough
2065
01:43:19,557 --> 01:43:21,491
when Hatchet got
put in front of him
2066
01:43:21,493 --> 01:43:23,692
to say I'm gonna go at this with
2067
01:43:23,694 --> 01:43:25,594
everything I have, and I'm gonna
2068
01:43:25,596 --> 01:43:26,929
keep going and I'm
gonna keep showing
2069
01:43:26,931 --> 01:43:29,366
people that I'm just
getting started.
2070
01:43:29,368 --> 01:43:31,000
More people should
approach their
2071
01:43:31,002 --> 01:43:33,706
work and their
life like he does.
2072
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:36,742
When you go through
an ordeal like that,
2073
01:43:37,876 --> 01:43:40,445
you begin to take
life seriously.
2074
01:43:41,912 --> 01:43:45,415
You slow down for a
second and you make
2075
01:43:45,417 --> 01:43:50,423
sure that your next
step is the right step.
2076
01:43:52,623 --> 01:43:54,491
And I think that's
what Kane does.
2077
01:43:59,864 --> 01:44:02,398
The fact that I
was, suicidal thoughts
2078
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,768
and stuff, I know how you
can get to that point,
2079
01:44:05,770 --> 01:44:09,774
and I understand when
people get there.
2080
01:44:11,342 --> 01:44:14,878
I think I could've been
justified possibly ending
2081
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,384
my life then because of
everything I had been through.
2082
01:44:24,789 --> 01:44:26,492
But look what I would've missed.
2083
01:44:27,591 --> 01:44:32,464
That's huge, I think,
I hope to instill
2084
01:44:33,364 --> 01:44:34,731
in people that get to that point
2085
01:44:34,733 --> 01:44:36,732
you don't know what
you might miss.
2086
01:44:36,734 --> 01:44:38,601
And I would've
missed all of this.
2087
01:45:59,518 --> 01:46:01,785
I still believe he's
just getting started.
2088
01:46:01,787 --> 01:46:03,585
10 more years from
now there could be
2089
01:46:03,587 --> 01:46:05,522
a whole 'nother
documentary about yeah,
2090
01:46:05,524 --> 01:46:07,924
so he did all of that,
but then he did this.
2091
01:47:13,225 --> 01:47:17,527
How would I want
Kane to kill me?
2092
01:47:17,529 --> 01:47:19,528
I think quickly.
2093
01:47:19,530 --> 01:47:20,198
Very, very quickly.
2094
01:47:24,502 --> 01:47:26,201
I just thought of
something horrible.
2095
01:47:28,773 --> 01:47:29,809
It was sexual.
2096
01:47:30,775 --> 01:47:32,775
I definitely, I'd want
him to choke me out.
2097
01:47:32,777 --> 01:47:35,077
You ever hear the expression
2098
01:47:35,079 --> 01:47:37,115
rip off your head,
shit down your throat?
2099
01:47:39,117 --> 01:47:41,651
Maybe if he made
me eat my own shit,
2100
01:47:41,653 --> 01:47:44,553
or some script that
I wrote and stuff
2101
01:47:44,555 --> 01:47:47,055
it down my throat and
made it eat it, or shove
2102
01:47:47,057 --> 01:47:49,526
my own movies down my
throat or up my ass.
2103
01:47:49,528 --> 01:47:51,997
I thought we were gonna
be friends and partners.
2104
01:47:53,564 --> 01:47:55,732
What do you know about the
script that I don't know?
2105
01:47:55,734 --> 01:47:58,668
I'd like to be beat to
death by two naked ladies.
2106
01:47:58,670 --> 01:47:59,802
Wow.
2107
01:47:59,804 --> 01:48:01,036
Number one, his
character couldn't kill
2108
01:48:01,038 --> 01:48:04,206
me 'cause I can whip his
ass any day of the week.
2109
01:48:04,208 --> 01:48:05,775
Period.
2110
01:48:05,777 --> 01:48:06,808
With kindness.
2111
01:48:08,113 --> 01:48:11,113
No, I don't know, let's
see, a particular way,
2112
01:48:11,115 --> 01:48:13,549
how about he and I are
both burned up in a fire.
2113
01:48:13,551 --> 01:48:14,686
Ew, creepy.
2114
01:48:15,819 --> 01:48:16,986
By the way, I don't
know if you know this,
2115
01:48:16,988 --> 01:48:18,821
Kane has killed
more people with his
2116
01:48:18,823 --> 01:48:23,226
hands than anybody
else in movie history.
2117
01:48:23,228 --> 01:48:25,698
Don't know if you know that.
2118
01:48:32,172 --> 01:48:37,172
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