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- If you were the guy wholifted my cell phone last year
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you may have noticedthat the camera roll
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is rich in taco snapshots.
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My inner lifetends to be measured
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out in radishes,meat and limes.
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If you peered closelyat the tiny images
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trying to figure outwho might spend so many
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of his days in proximityto small tortillas.
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You may have inferredthat a startling number
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of the tacoscame from a single source.
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Guerilla tacos,a tiny operation that pops up
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a few days a weekin downtown Los Angeles.
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Guerilla tacos is a prettysingular taqueria
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the creation of Wes avila
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whose culinary training cameunder Alain ducasse in Paris.
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Avila was crafting tacosin empty storefronts
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or stairwells or garage spaces
deep downtown
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and there were rumors abouttacos made with diver scallops
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weird vegetables andSushi grade yellow tail.
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When I published a listof the best dishes of 2013
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I included his taco madewith roasted squash
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rubbery oaxacan cheese
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and a hint of chiliand charred tomato.
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The tortillas don't seemto be made to order
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but they arefresh and toasty enough.
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The taco equivalentof the energy
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of what Chinese cookssometimes call
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"the breathe of the wok,"is in full effect.
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A ducasse disciple, quittinghis job at an haute cuisine
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pop up to servecharred octopus tacos
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on a downtown street corner.
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You're not gonna find cookinglike this anywhere, but la.
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I'm an la guy, I drive.
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I am, I am my truck,
my truck is me.
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I'm going a slightlyscrewy way.
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I got off on the 10instead of the 5
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which I probablyshouldn't have.
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Everybody in the world hasan idea of whatLos Angeles is.
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Everybody thinks they knowwhat Los Angeles means
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even ifthey've never been here.
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And if you live in Los Angeles,
you're used to
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having your city
explained to you
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by people who come
in for a couple of weeks
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stay in a hotelin Beverly hills
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and take inwhat they can get to
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within 10 minutesin their rented car.
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The thing that people findhard to understand I think
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is sort ofthe -- the magnitudeof what's here.
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The huge number of multiplecultures that live in the city
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who come together in thisbeautifuland haphazard fashion.
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And you know, the -- the fault
lines between them
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are sometimes where you findthe most beautiful things.
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I mean, I became a food writer
completely by accident
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but it becamewhat I aspired to.
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The idea of celebrating,you know
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the -- the glorious mosaic
of the city
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on somebody else's dime
was just completely fun
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and completely exactlywhat I wanted to do.
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I mean, I kept feelingas if I was getting awaywith something.
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- There definitely is aJonathan gold Los Angeles
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and it's a Los Angeles that a
lot of people didn't know about.
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He, like Raymond Chandlershowed you a vision
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of Los Angelesthat was a new vision.
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- Jonathan changedthe food writing world
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because he was one of the first
restaurant critics
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which was, who was perfectly
happy in..
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I guess I even think happier
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writing about the hardto find small restaurants
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in tiny little communities.
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- Hi, how you doin'?
- Good. How are you?
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Can I get a huarache dewith flor de calabaza?
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- Flor de calabaza huarache?
- Yes.
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- Sure.
You want cheese on that?
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- Yeah.- Okay.
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- He was going to these places
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where food critics
didn't always go
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and he wentto mom and pop places
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where generations of tradition
were being passed down
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in the cooking.
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La is great that way
because you don't have to travel
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far to taste
like you traveled far
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and -- and I think that's what
made him such an interestingwriter
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because he was so curiousabout that type of cooking.
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- This is a little sauce right
here from my grandmother.
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She, she came up
with this, with this sauce
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so my mom just wanted me
to bring you guys some
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so you can taste it
and see how good it is.
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It's really, it's really,
really good.
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- Oh, there's
salsa de semillas inside.
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- Yeah,
salsa de semillas.
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It has peanuts, uh, uh,
garlic, uh, hojuelas..
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It's really good.
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- Thanks.
- You're welcome.
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- The saddest momentin boyle heights street food
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most aficionados would agree
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was the eveningthe breed street vendors
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were finally chasedfrom their scene.
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This gathering had always been
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rousted by the copsevery so often.
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It was amazinghow quickly the circus
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turned into a desertedparking lot.
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But Carmen castellanos,the soul of antojitos Carmen
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had been workingboyle heights since the 1980's
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and after a brief stretchon a sidewalk
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next to an mta building sight
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she scraped togetherthe funding for a realrestaurant
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just around the cornerand brought along her family.
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Other la restaurantsbegan as street food
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but none quite so vividlyas antojitos Carmen.
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You want these guysto succeed.
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- He became a, a -- a figure
of the democratizing
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movement in, in culture,
not just in writin'
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not just in food writin', but
in the ability to tell stories
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about America and the city
of Los Angeles in specific
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through a series of, you know
restaurants and food experiences
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that other people weren't
writin' about. He gave it value.
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- It's good.
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So, Alice, we.. I wanted to talk
about some of these, uh
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pieces we wanted Jonathan to do.
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- Good.
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- Um, suggestions rather.
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- Right, well, I, I feel
the most important thing
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and we've talked a little bit
about this before
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is the grand central market
piece.
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- It's true, it's at that
tipping point.
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It's been a symbol of a certain
kind of Los Angeles
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for a very long time.
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As it's been redevelopedor the new restaurantsare coming in
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or the -- the newfancy butchers
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it's gonna stop beingthis sort of place that you
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associate with the smellsand the tastes and the..
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The look of that partof Los Angeles
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into being the sort ofprecious artisanal
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you know,aren't we special to pay
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$35.99 for a skirt steak
kind of market.
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- You know, can a pupuseria
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exist next to, uh,
a fancy cheese store?
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- Yeah.
- Is that the challenge that
these, that the owners now face?
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- It is. I mean, I like
a lot of the new places
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and I shop there all the time
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but you have to have a placewhere you have
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like the, the tastes of
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sort of last centuryLos Angeles
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existing withthe -- the modern taste.
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There's something culturalabout it,and there's something
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about it that has becomepart of Los Angeles
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that I thinkis sort of magical.
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It's like when do you start
cutting into the flesh and bone
of the market?
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And that's, that's a hard
question to answer, and I think
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that would be something really
interesting to address.
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- Yeah.
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- I -- I'm hoping we can get
to that piece
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sooner rather than later.
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- Whenever we talk about
criticism in New York..
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...Jonathan gold's name
always comes up.
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We're always like,
i wish we had Jonathan gold
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as our chief critic in New York
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because I thinkhe's very fair.
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I think what separates Jonathan
from the rest of the critics
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is that his empathy level
is higher than anybody else's
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and I think that shows
in his -- in his writing
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but this is what pisses me off
about j. Gold.
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I was in a place
that did very esoteric chine..
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Uh, Korean chicken barbecue.
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I was like, "this is great.I'm not gonna tell anybodyabout it."
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And then, in the corner I seeJonathan gold's review
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and I was like, "motherfucker."
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He knows every place.
I don't know how he does it.
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You know, I don't know any
Korean that knows more about
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Korean food than Jonathan gold.
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I don't know anybodythat knows every taco stop.
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- I was at the wrong truck,
there's another fish one.
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- I know.
That one's good too.
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The -- the cuatro vientos has,
it has always been down there
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and sometimes
the line is longer.
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- Un taco!
- Ready to order?
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- Uh, yeah, sure.
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You guys tweeted about a, uh
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tostada this morning,
that sounded really good.
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What was that?
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- Yeah.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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- I met Jonathanpretty much right away.
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He walked into the newsroom.
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He look, acted like he
owned the place practically
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and I thought he wasone of the bigger writers.
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It turned out he wasjust a proofreader
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at the timeand I was an intern.
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He invited me
up to his apartment
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for his mom's, uh, peach pie
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so, um, that -- that
changed a lot.
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He sent roses the next morning.
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- Oh, thank you very much.
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- When I woke up this morning
and saw that tweet
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it's like,
i know I have to come here.
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- Yeah.
It's very super spicy.
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- Oh, good.-That looks great.
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- It's amazing for us, people
like him, uh, that, that writes.
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He said that, uh, thesetacos are number 1 for him
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and, uh, a -- actuallywe're inthe process of getting a loan
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from the bankto get another truck done.
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People asking us to go
to orange county and San Diego.
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- Here, I'll hold this.
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- I gather that it's unusualfor people who've married
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as long as we have,to wanna hang out
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together so much of the time,
but we kind of do.
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- You know I've been wanting
you to do the piece on anonymity
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for a long time?
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There's still that old idea
of a restaurant critic
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has to be anonymous,
but you know..
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- Laurie doesn't editmy pieces anymore
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but she has this odd ability
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of getting the best
out of her writers.
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- And that's, uh,
we're doing an excerpt?
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- Maybe, like, 1,
like, 11 inch little story.
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- The weird waythat she does it with me
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is probably, maybe not great
for the marriage
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but it's,
she suggests something and..
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...I'll, like,
say that's a really..
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N -- no, that's not the way it
works, but in the way of, like
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explaining to her that that's
not the way it works
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I understand how it does work.
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- I mean, other people have
written about it,
but not -- not in the way..
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I don't think in the deeper way
that you want to do it.
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- You think the history
of anonymity in a restaurant?
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- That'd be, that'd be
very cool.
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- It would probablybe ideal to be anonymous.
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I mean, I -- I was certainly was
in the early part of my career.
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I mean, I would go to spago,
basically looking like
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a punk rock kid with my friend
who had one pair of pants.
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And -- and we were not
being ushered
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to the nice tableby the window
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but any cri, any critic
who does restaurants
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is gonna be recognized
soon enough.
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Especially,in the age of social media
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where somebody willtweet your picture
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before you've gottenyour first cocktail, right?
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I mean, the people
who disguise themselves
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probably aren't getting away
with it nearly as much as they
think they are.
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- I'm wearing this mask
because I'm an anonymous critic
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which means that none
of the restaurateurs
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or very few of them recognize
what I look like.
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- Oy, gevalt.
- I almost --
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- oh, you didn't know that
i was gonna wear this thing?
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- Well, I heardthat you were..
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- I believe it's a positivevalue, other peopledisagree with me
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but I'm always wanna
on the side of the consumer
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and, uh, have a meal
experience that's a..
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...just like what a normal
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People have told me thatthere's pictures of mein the kitchen
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but it's with the mask on.
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- I mean, I thinkit is essential to get
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an unbiased look at
how a place is cooking
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because they will treat people
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that they know are writing about
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Ruth reichl did that famousreview of le cirque
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where she went in disguisedas this sort of
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frumpy woman and got treatedlike garbage and then
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the next week went in dressedas herself and was treated
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like a queen and wrotea parallel review.
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- I do all the
stuff you're supposed to do.
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I always reserve
under different names
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I switch up the names
i reserve under
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I switch up the phone
numbers that I reserve under.
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I mean, I have a whole series
of throw away phones
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that I use just
for reservations.
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It's -- it's kind of like the
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it's -- it's kind of like
the fat man's version
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of the "bourne identity,"
i think.
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- Sir, nice to see you again.
How are you doing?
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- Good. How are you?
- Awesome. That's really good.
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- Bonsoir.- Bonsoir.
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- Hello.
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- I never knowwhen Jonathan is coming.
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I don't know the night before,
you know, I don't know.
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It's really the last minute, you
know, I never have a reservation
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for Jonathan gold, 6 people.
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No, it's another name
and boom, he's here.
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♪ Do do do do do
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panic in the kitchen.
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The beans, the beans are fucking
al dente, man, you eat the
beans?
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You have nothing to do, John?
You have nothing to do?
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- No, I have stuff to do, but..
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- But what?
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I'm always excited to cookfor him because Jonathan gold
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is a critic who is veryopen to trying new things.
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- Oh, my god.That's insane.
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I saw the corn on the cobwhen I came in
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so this is amazingto see it turned into this.
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- This is great.
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- So what makes ludo ludo?
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- Part of it is growing upas a chef in a way
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that almost nobody does anymore.
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You know,having the good fortune
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to work his way upin the kitchen
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with three of the mostinteresting chefs in France
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and I think the way he just..
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He loves Los Angeles.
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He -- he likes workingwith the produce here
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he likes the kind of peoplewho live here.
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He wanted to do somethingthat was personal
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that -- that meant somethingto him as a chef
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and Los Angeles
has always been the place
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certainly in the United States,
where you can come
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and you can...Reinvent yourself.
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- Sometimes as a chefwe don't see what we create.
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When Jonathan gold
gave me an amazing review
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for ludo bite in 2007,
i did not realize what I create
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but Jonathan opened my eyes.
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Wow! I just realized
i created a new concept.
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- Food and writing have gonetogether throughout history.
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If you look at France
in the 18th century
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or China in the 12th century,
uh, there wasn't just food
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there, there was food
and someone writing about it
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food and someone
thinking about it
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and that relationship
is what turned food from fuel
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to food into an art form.
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It's true of literature,it's true of plays
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it's true of allcultural art forms
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that writing is whatmade them digestible
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so to speak by the masses.
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You're trying to tell a story
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make that experienceinto something much bigger
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but at a certain point, everyone
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I mean, look at yelp,
it's such an American thing
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where everyone then
believes they are the critic
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and they are the expert.
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- You know,now everybody thinks
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"oh, I can go toa restaurant
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and write what
i think about it."
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And if I use words like
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toothsome, you know, then,
"hey, I'm -- I'm a food writer."
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- They all seem to
use the word amazing now.
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"It's amazing!The Mexican corn is amazing!"
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You know, it's like, amazingdoesn't tell me anything.
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- What is the
role of the critic
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is a question that's being asked
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and I think every area
of culture right now
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because it's, like, "well, why
do I need a food critic
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"if I have yelp, and why do
i need a book critic
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if I've got Amazon reviews?"
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I think what a critic bringsto the table is knowledge.
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You know thathe's done his homework.
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You know, if you're really
interested in a subject
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you are gonna find the critics
that -- that speak to you
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that you don't
always agree with
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but that, that speak to you
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that you feel
you'll learn something from
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that you -- you found a new way
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of seeing something after
reading what they had to say.
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- The biggest thingin restaurants over
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say the last 40 yearshas been
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the introduction of diversity.
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When Craig claibornein the '60s
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was reviewing expensiverestaurants in New York
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they were almost all French.
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Then as you start to getcuisines from all over
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you can't look at cuisine asa singular thing anymore.
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There can be a thousand
different restaurants
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that are great in
a thousand different ways.
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- Two pieces of legislationin 1965 and in 1986
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increased the number
of migrants
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abolished standard quotas which
favored migration from Europe
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opened up, uh, I -- immigration
to a much wider range of people.
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La was a leading edgein diversitypopulation growth.
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The immigrant populationhas defined the country.
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It's defined Los Angeles.
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We are what we are
because of our diversity.
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- Green bean..
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...carrot, bell pepper..
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- My name tui. I'm the chefof jitlada restaurant.
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I came America in 1996.
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I never went tocooking school, but I learnedfrom my grand mom.
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She teach me everything,
you know, like, uh..
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What is this, what is that..
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Like, uh, you know,
how to grow the lemongrass
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how to grow the coconut,
how to grow the turmeric.
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In 2006,I bought jitlada restaurant
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but at first we lost money.
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- We're going to jitlada
right now.
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It's my favorite
thai restaurant in Los Angeles.
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It serves all kindsof thai food
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but what it specializes in isthe extremely spicy, aromatic
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pungent cookingof Southern Thailand.
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"Warning, if you do not eat
spicy food, do not order this."
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The -- the spicier it is,
actually the better it tastes
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because the flavors
come into balance
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because that's the way
it's designed.
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- He have very good palate
on his tongue
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because he can separate, like,
"oh, you have this in here."
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I -- I start laughing.
Especially with my thai coffee.
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No one in the whole wide world,
even my family
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doesn't know what
i put in there, but he know.
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I learned fromthe customerthat Jonathan gold
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important for the peoplein America.
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And then one day he came here
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and they all laugh
and they say
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"Jonathan gold in front of you."
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And I remember my leg,
shaking like this, like
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"oh, my god,
is it Jonathan gold?"
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But still I didn't knowwho is him, just the name.
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- Well, thank you.
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If she, if she brought it outwith this
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then you know it's hot.
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- This is extra chili that
you can pour on the beef if..
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- It's, it's spicy enough.
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- Oh, no, it's fine.
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- Oof.
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- After he writes aboutour restaurant
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the people, they waiting,
you know, before we open.
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They bring the newspaper.
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I want to eat Southernthai food, and after that
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we are the famous restauranteveryone know.
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I, I feel, like a, so proud,
you know
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if she like to learn in America,
you know?
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- Bye, thanks again. Your, your
food is always so good.
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- Well, thank you.
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- One of the amazing things
about Los Angeles
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is that there really
is a thereness beneath
the thereness.
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And of course,some people think
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what the hell is this place?
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- I think that you can builda city any shape you like
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as long as it works.
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And you say,
"works, Los Angeles works?"
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Everyone tells you
that it doesn't work.
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- Reyner banham'sbook came outin the early '70s
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and he was the first person who,
i think made sense
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of Los Angeles
for an awful lot of people.
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The changesthat were occurringin Los Angeles
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were typical of a lot ofchanges that were happening
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in other citiesin this country.
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And somehow or other,
Los Angeles had got there first.
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- Right then, Los Angelesneeds some explaining
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because it's normally regarded
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as an unspeakablesprawling mess
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though certainly not by me.
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- Pretty much all citiesin the 19th century
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the 20th century,grew from the centre outward.
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Los Angeles was different.
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You were gettinga post modern arrangement
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whereby their peripherieswere more importantthan the centre.
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And all of thesedifferent centres have grown
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and they collidedwith each other
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into one giant megalopolisof 18 to 20 million people.
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And the city is so large
and so sprawling and so diverse
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that it allows for the, the
interseses between the major
spaces
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to be occupied by people
to create what they want.
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And this is where gold,as a critic of urban livingcomes in.
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He provides a map for us.
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His culinary mapping becomesa cartography of the region
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and through leading us,we come to understandour city.
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- Los Angeles is a lot of
self-contained communities.
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We have communities
of people here
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who are not cooking for tourists
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and they're not cookingfor the newspaper critic
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and they're not cookingfor the glory of it.
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They're cookingbecause they're filling
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a specific needthat their community has.
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Because of that, it becomes
almost the...Anti-melting pot
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less a melting pot than sort of
a great glittering mosaic.
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There's no end to the funin the San Gabriel valley.
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And this is, uh,
El monte proper.
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Ca -- can't you feel the
electricity and excitement
in the air?
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People not from Los Angelessometimes don't understand
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the beauty you can find
in mini malls.
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That's probably the best dim sum
in town at the moment.
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That's the remaining, uh,
Chinese islamic restaurant.
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Oh, this, this is lupe's,
this is the place I love.
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In case you think
i love everything
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the stuff in that restaurant
is absolutely disgusting.
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That place we just passedcalled pho huynh is famous
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for boiled ox penisin your pho.
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That place, uh, uh,
has like the best, uh, nim nong.
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You -- you have another
pho place.
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Oh, yeah, there is it.
It says, "pho Kim."
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Or pho Kim?
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Which is..
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Sometimes they don't, like,
think these through.
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This is yee-Lou
which is interesting
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because it's a really
old-fashioned
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Chinese American place that's
been taken over by Chinese
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who are doing
Chinese American food
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as an exotic food
for Chinese people to eat.
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In here is a nanjing kitchen
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which specializes
in this duck dish that's just..
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I'm not sure it's the most
pleasurable duck in the world
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but it's perfect in its way.
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It's sort of a, a boiled duck
with absolutely
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all the fat taken out of it.
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But there just happens to be
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you know, in thiscompletely ordinary place
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there, there happens to beextraordinary food.
493
00:30:37,929 --> 00:30:41,164
It's the miracle of
entry level capitalism I think.
494
00:31:00,215 --> 00:31:05,084
- My name is genet agonafer,and I'm from Ethiopia.
495
00:31:05,086 --> 00:31:09,120
I cam 1981, Valentine's daywith my son
496
00:31:09,122 --> 00:31:11,288
with my 5-year-old son.
497
00:31:11,290 --> 00:31:14,190
Lemeneh tefera is his name.
498
00:31:14,192 --> 00:31:17,893
I moved to la to provide
my son with education
499
00:31:17,895 --> 00:31:21,796
and I was workingas a waitress for many years.
500
00:31:21,798 --> 00:31:25,466
I raised my son being awaitress for many, many years.
501
00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:29,870
And that adorable son
is my grown son now.
502
00:31:29,872 --> 00:31:31,638
I have another picture.
503
00:31:33,273 --> 00:31:37,009
This is when he graduated
from medical school
504
00:31:37,011 --> 00:31:40,979
and he's been practicingmedicine for 12 years.
505
00:31:43,215 --> 00:31:48,118
This space opened up
and my generous son
506
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,690
took cash advance practically
on all the credit cards he have
507
00:31:53,692 --> 00:31:55,924
and opened it for me.
508
00:31:57,993 --> 00:32:03,096
I was very busy at first,and then 9/11 came
509
00:32:03,098 --> 00:32:06,099
and then just
completely at a standstill
510
00:32:06,101 --> 00:32:10,770
and my son was pumping moneyto keep the place alive.
511
00:32:10,772 --> 00:32:14,539
And then all of the sudden,the review came
512
00:32:14,541 --> 00:32:18,209
and I was, like, "oh, my god."
513
00:32:18,211 --> 00:32:22,612
Every day I would havepeople out lining up.
514
00:32:22,614 --> 00:32:24,146
Celebrities come.
515
00:32:24,148 --> 00:32:29,017
I could not cookthe doro wat fast enough.
516
00:32:29,019 --> 00:32:34,555
But for me, it was so important
to tell my son I could succeed
517
00:32:34,557 --> 00:32:38,525
and whenever he comes here,now he's just so proud.
518
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,902
- It takes a specialtemperamentto be a food critic.
519
00:32:50,904 --> 00:32:54,805
You need to have, you know,
a mixture of, sort of
520
00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:58,475
um, ego, and, um
521
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:01,578
and-and interest
and obsessiwith food
522
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:03,379
that very few people have.
523
00:33:05,582 --> 00:33:08,350
- My first yearout of college, I was workingdowntown
524
00:33:08,352 --> 00:33:12,654
as a proofreader,
and I was bored out of my mind.
525
00:33:12,656 --> 00:33:15,423
So I decided to make it
my project to eat
526
00:33:15,425 --> 00:33:19,026
at every restaurant
on pico boulevard.
527
00:33:21,329 --> 00:33:25,398
Pico boulevard is kind ofLos Angeles' back porch.
528
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,769
It goes througha remarkable swath of town.
529
00:33:30,771 --> 00:33:32,904
There's a place calledthe El Salvador cafe
530
00:33:32,906 --> 00:33:34,372
on the eastern end.
531
00:33:34,374 --> 00:33:37,575
That was one of the firstsalvadoran places in town
532
00:33:37,577 --> 00:33:41,778
and way at theSanta Monica end was a placecalled tom's no. 5
533
00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:44,247
which had my favoritechili fries in town.
534
00:33:44,249 --> 00:33:46,182
Those were really good
chili fries.
535
00:33:48,185 --> 00:33:51,720
Pico, in a certain sensewas where I learned to eat.
536
00:33:51,722 --> 00:33:55,556
I also saw my first punk rockshow on pico, was shot at
537
00:33:55,558 --> 00:33:58,825
fell in love, bowled a 164
538
00:33:58,827 --> 00:34:01,494
witnessed a knife fight,took cello lessons
539
00:34:01,496 --> 00:34:03,796
raised chickens, ate oki dogs
540
00:34:03,798 --> 00:34:08,032
and heard x ice-cube hole
and Willie Dixon perform
541
00:34:08,034 --> 00:34:09,033
though not together.
542
00:34:10,668 --> 00:34:13,036
It was fascinatingto go every night
543
00:34:13,038 --> 00:34:16,606
and to sit into a place and have
my plate of rice and beans
544
00:34:16,608 --> 00:34:20,643
or my papusas and listen
to the dialogue around me
545
00:34:20,645 --> 00:34:22,911
to look at the stacks ofnewspapers people were reading
546
00:34:22,913 --> 00:34:25,246
to, you know,
seeing what was on the TV
547
00:34:25,248 --> 00:34:27,248
that was perpetually on
in the corner
548
00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:29,984
to see what people
were talking about.
549
00:34:29,986 --> 00:34:34,487
I gradually started to findthings out that I didn't know.
550
00:34:34,489 --> 00:34:38,057
The Mexican restaurantsweren't all just Mexicanrestaurants
551
00:34:38,059 --> 00:34:41,226
and they were fromdifferent regions of Mexico.
552
00:34:41,228 --> 00:34:43,094
This was the timein the early '80s
553
00:34:43,096 --> 00:34:45,729
when the wars were badin central America
554
00:34:45,731 --> 00:34:48,798
a lot of people migratedto Los Angeles.
555
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,400
And they started outselling street food
556
00:34:51,402 --> 00:34:53,201
then they openedlittle restaurants
557
00:34:53,203 --> 00:34:57,538
and by the time I wasin the middle of my project
558
00:34:57,540 --> 00:35:00,607
they had colonizedan entire strip.
559
00:35:02,443 --> 00:35:04,777
I learned this very quickly
as a journalist
560
00:35:04,779 --> 00:35:06,712
that if you randomly go upto somebody on the street
561
00:35:06,714 --> 00:35:07,979
and start talking to them
562
00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:10,514
they're probablynot gonna talk to you
563
00:35:10,516 --> 00:35:13,817
they're gonna thinkyou're odd and brush you off.
564
00:35:13,819 --> 00:35:18,054
But if you're doing itin a restaurant..
565
00:35:18,056 --> 00:35:20,156
...you have a contextin which to be
566
00:35:20,158 --> 00:35:23,092
so you'll sit downand they'll feed you
567
00:35:23,094 --> 00:35:26,260
and they'll be nice to you,and maybe there'll be somegossip.
568
00:35:27,695 --> 00:35:29,729
It was the year
that I got to know
569
00:35:29,731 --> 00:35:33,032
Los Angeles as Los Angeles.
570
00:35:50,049 --> 00:35:51,983
Hello-o-o.
- Hello, there, darling.
571
00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:53,784
How are you?
- Okay.
572
00:35:53,786 --> 00:35:55,285
- You saw what I wrote, right?
573
00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:56,953
I answered somebody's tweet.
574
00:35:56,955 --> 00:36:01,423
I said, you know, "yeah, he'll
do a Kuala Lumpur restaurant"
575
00:36:01,425 --> 00:36:02,857
but what, there's,
like, one of them.
576
00:36:04,527 --> 00:36:05,926
- Yeah, and -- and then
another person said
577
00:36:05,928 --> 00:36:07,827
"oh, he'll run out of
restaurants in koreatown."
578
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:11,530
I -- I refrained from saying,
there are 900 restaurants
in koreatown.
579
00:36:11,532 --> 00:36:14,366
It's not gonna happen
in your lifetime, buddy.
580
00:36:14,368 --> 00:36:16,835
I seem to be going through
a Korean foods fixation.
581
00:36:17,803 --> 00:36:20,137
- Welcome back to "good food"
582
00:36:20,139 --> 00:36:23,140
it's that time where we check in
with our resident gourmand
583
00:36:23,142 --> 00:36:26,243
on where to eat this weekend
in Los Angeles.
584
00:36:26,245 --> 00:36:27,510
So where are we going?
585
00:36:27,512 --> 00:36:29,812
- We're going to
a restaurant called soban.
586
00:36:29,814 --> 00:36:31,580
- And what is their specialty?
587
00:36:31,582 --> 00:36:34,649
- They're specialtyis galbi Jim.They're famous --
588
00:36:34,651 --> 00:36:37,318
- I remember the first time
i went to a Jonathan gold
589
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,220
approved restaurant
from the "la weekly"
590
00:36:40,222 --> 00:36:42,355
and, you know, you drive
into a mini mall
591
00:36:42,357 --> 00:36:44,056
and you're, like, "really?"
592
00:36:44,058 --> 00:36:47,426
You know, "really?
I'm not gonna be waylaid?"
593
00:36:47,428 --> 00:36:50,495
I'm -- I'm not gonna be mugged
walking into this place?
594
00:36:50,497 --> 00:36:53,831
And you walk in and it's, like,
"oh, yeah, it's people
595
00:36:53,833 --> 00:36:55,999
it's just people."
596
00:36:56,001 --> 00:36:57,567
- This isn't the El bulli
of sandwich shops
597
00:36:57,569 --> 00:37:00,169
but he does, kind of,
use his toys
598
00:37:00,171 --> 00:37:02,404
in making them which makes
a lot of it fun.
599
00:37:02,406 --> 00:37:05,407
- He's so much morethan a food writer.
600
00:37:05,409 --> 00:37:08,276
Jonathan isa cultural commentator
601
00:37:08,278 --> 00:37:11,912
who uses foodand restaurants as a way
602
00:37:11,914 --> 00:37:16,115
of creating these little
commentaries on modern life.
603
00:37:19,218 --> 00:37:22,153
I've been eating latelyat chego, the new restaurant
604
00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:26,723
from kogi auteur Roy choi, the
architect of the truck-based
605
00:37:26,725 --> 00:37:29,258
restaurant phenomenon,and the only chef I know
606
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:31,326
whose food is capableof attracting
607
00:37:31,328 --> 00:37:35,162
several hundred people to aneagle rock parking lotat midnight.
608
00:37:36,597 --> 00:37:38,831
Chego specializesin rice bowls
609
00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:41,767
wavy, baroque constructionsthat splice
610
00:37:41,769 --> 00:37:44,903
all the flavors of the cityinto great splooshes
611
00:37:44,905 --> 00:37:47,338
of combinatorial DNA.
612
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:51,108
Pickled watermelon radish,sauteed ong choi
613
00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:55,178
crumbled cotija cheese and aspurting slab of pork belly
614
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:58,881
that's been burnished aslovinglywith Korean chili paste
615
00:37:58,883 --> 00:38:03,051
as a '64 impala show carhas been rubbed with lacquer.
616
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:04,652
- David!
617
00:38:04,654 --> 00:38:07,388
- Kogi's tacois a new paradigmof a restaurant
618
00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:10,290
an art directed takeon Korean street food
619
00:38:10,292 --> 00:38:14,860
previously unimaginablein both California and Seoul.
620
00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:16,995
Cheap, unbelievably delicious
621
00:38:16,997 --> 00:38:20,098
and unmistakablyfrom Los Angeles.
622
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,433
Food that makes you feelplugged into the rhythms
623
00:38:22,435 --> 00:38:25,001
of this cityjust by eating it.
624
00:38:27,104 --> 00:38:29,171
- We're working on some
new dishes right now.
625
00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:32,275
This is, um, it's summertime
here in Los Angeles
626
00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:35,278
so we're working on a tomato,
watermelon, goat cheese
627
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,948
thai basil, soy, chili,lemongrass dish.
628
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:42,217
In all of my properties,
the only litmus test is
629
00:38:42,219 --> 00:38:46,787
when we eat it, can I just throw
this down and say, "fuck."
630
00:38:46,789 --> 00:38:49,322
If we say that,
then, then, uh
631
00:38:49,324 --> 00:38:52,124
then the dish makes it
to the menu.
632
00:38:52,126 --> 00:38:55,893
The small kitchen keeps ustogether, keeps us focused.
633
00:38:55,895 --> 00:38:57,194
There's nowhere
to move around
634
00:38:57,196 --> 00:39:00,297
so you have to be really
creative and move here, boom.
635
00:39:00,299 --> 00:39:04,100
It's all about muscle memory,
boom, boom, boom.
636
00:39:04,102 --> 00:39:07,336
It's fun, it makes
for a lot of jokes too
637
00:39:07,338 --> 00:39:10,906
because we bump asses
with each other all the time.
638
00:39:10,908 --> 00:39:11,973
Especially right here.
639
00:39:11,975 --> 00:39:13,741
This is the danger zone
right here.
640
00:39:15,611 --> 00:39:18,378
You know, the weird thing
about my -- my first interaction
641
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:21,347
with Jonathan is, uh,
he helped me figure out
642
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:22,881
what we were trying to do.
643
00:39:22,883 --> 00:39:24,682
Kind of like, "oh,this is what kogi is."
644
00:39:24,684 --> 00:39:26,250
We're kind of, like,this justice league
645
00:39:26,252 --> 00:39:29,419
of, like, kind of weird,warped super heroes
646
00:39:29,421 --> 00:39:31,421
that came togetherto feed the city, you know.
647
00:39:32,589 --> 00:39:36,258
When he writes about me,
he understands..
648
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:38,860
...and is able to articulate
the little
649
00:39:38,862 --> 00:39:41,595
kind of secret, you know..
650
00:39:43,397 --> 00:39:45,564
You know, tangled webs
i have inside
651
00:39:45,566 --> 00:39:49,200
that I'm trying to put out
into the plate.
652
00:39:49,202 --> 00:39:50,334
He, like, understands it.
653
00:39:50,336 --> 00:39:51,468
I never explained it to him.
654
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:54,704
He gets exactly
where that came from.
655
00:39:54,706 --> 00:39:57,406
Like, we were trying
to recreate..
656
00:39:59,041 --> 00:40:03,410
...how Asian kids grow up
and eat in their home
657
00:40:03,412 --> 00:40:05,278
um, and what their
refrigerators look like
658
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,446
but also how stoners eat.
659
00:40:07,448 --> 00:40:11,916
In that first review, he wasable to capture that moment
660
00:40:11,918 --> 00:40:14,451
you know,of -- of what was happening.
661
00:40:15,853 --> 00:40:18,120
Anthony!
662
00:40:25,661 --> 00:40:27,194
- I kind oflike that Italian beef.
663
00:40:27,196 --> 00:40:30,363
They have those Italian beef
sandwiches that's marinated.
664
00:40:30,365 --> 00:40:31,764
Alice always said
it was marinated
665
00:40:31,766 --> 00:40:34,366
because it was such crappy meat
that they have to marinate.
666
00:40:34,368 --> 00:40:38,169
- Modern food writing startswith Calvin trillin.
667
00:40:38,171 --> 00:40:39,870
He was saying, that,
you know, everyone reveres
668
00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:42,239
these French restaurants that
no one wants to eat at
669
00:40:42,241 --> 00:40:44,541
and you know, and it's the,
the colloquial food
670
00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:47,277
that's really important,
and I think that's, you know
671
00:40:47,279 --> 00:40:50,613
that was, like, the battle call
for both Jonathan and for Robert
672
00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:54,617
and then for a lot of people
who have followed after.
673
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,151
- Alright, what are we gonna do
here, Jonathan?
674
00:40:56,153 --> 00:40:59,587
You're the guy, you're
the expert, you're the food guy.
675
00:40:59,589 --> 00:41:02,389
- I was probablya sophomore in college
676
00:41:02,391 --> 00:41:04,924
and I, I was house sitting.
677
00:41:04,926 --> 00:41:07,359
Among the books in the study
was "American fried"
678
00:41:07,361 --> 00:41:09,494
you know, Calvin trillin's
first book.
679
00:41:09,496 --> 00:41:15,098
And I read it, and I wasutterly fascinated by it.
680
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,134
I read "American fried"and "Alice, let's eat"
681
00:41:18,136 --> 00:41:19,935
so many times.
682
00:41:19,937 --> 00:41:24,872
Yeah, I -- I imitated him
absolutely blindly
when I started.
683
00:41:24,874 --> 00:41:26,773
Trillin was writingabout eating
684
00:41:26,775 --> 00:41:30,510
he was writing aboutthe culture of eating
685
00:41:30,512 --> 00:41:35,748
and it was obviouslythe way to go.
686
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:37,850
- You know, I always say that
if I'm in a strange town
687
00:41:37,852 --> 00:41:41,820
and I don't know where to eat,
i go up to the motel clerk
688
00:41:41,822 --> 00:41:44,088
grab him by the necktie
and pull him over the counter
689
00:41:44,090 --> 00:41:45,889
just to get his attention
690
00:41:45,891 --> 00:41:50,726
and I say, "not where you took
your parents
691
00:41:50,728 --> 00:41:53,295
"for their
25th wedding anniversary
692
00:41:53,297 --> 00:41:55,897
"the place you went to
the night you got home
693
00:41:55,899 --> 00:41:58,399
after 13 months in Korea."
694
00:41:58,401 --> 00:42:00,901
And the second place
is really good.
695
00:42:00,903 --> 00:42:02,869
- And I think
your -- your idea
696
00:42:02,871 --> 00:42:05,338
has become almost the norm now
697
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:08,607
that if you're gonna be
a newspaper critic or a writer
698
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,977
in a, in a big town,
you better
699
00:42:11,979 --> 00:42:15,347
you know, know among
the 6 good rib stands
700
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:17,115
which, which is up
and which is down.
701
00:42:17,117 --> 00:42:19,750
- Why?
That didn't used to be true.
702
00:43:00,458 --> 00:43:04,394
- This -- this is, uh,
king taco which is beloved.
703
00:43:05,596 --> 00:43:07,563
It's not necessarilymy favorite
704
00:43:07,565 --> 00:43:12,767
but it's very good tacos,
you know,
pretty good al pastor
705
00:43:12,769 --> 00:43:14,602
and one of the great things
about it is they actually
706
00:43:14,604 --> 00:43:17,972
have a truck parked
outside the restaurant
707
00:43:17,974 --> 00:43:21,442
sort of this canopy,place of honor
708
00:43:21,444 --> 00:43:24,077
and if you come ona weekend night, there'll be
709
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,080
an hour wait for the truck,
and you can walk right up
710
00:43:27,082 --> 00:43:30,249
to the counter
at the restaurant itself.
711
00:43:30,251 --> 00:43:32,317
I've had the tacos at the truck
and at the restaurant
712
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:36,254
and it's correct, you actually
do want the ones from the truck
713
00:43:36,256 --> 00:43:42,559
but it's, I've always wondered
why the taco
714
00:43:42,561 --> 00:43:44,193
honors the truck so much.
715
00:43:45,662 --> 00:43:51,065
My theory is that taco eating
is...It's almost a verb.
716
00:43:51,067 --> 00:43:52,800
Taco should be a verb, right..
717
00:43:52,802 --> 00:43:57,004
The -- the, the tortilla,
the tortilla's hot, the -- the,
the meat's hot
718
00:43:57,006 --> 00:44:00,807
they combine,
the sauce is sloshed on it
719
00:44:00,809 --> 00:44:03,376
and then you're almost eating it
in one continuous motion
720
00:44:03,378 --> 00:44:06,578
from the way it comes from the
grill to the guy to the counter.
721
00:44:08,614 --> 00:44:11,015
I know it's overly romantic.
722
00:44:41,775 --> 00:44:43,342
Yeah.
723
00:44:44,277 --> 00:44:46,645
Yeah, that was a great place.
724
00:44:46,647 --> 00:44:49,247
And speaking of that, um..
725
00:44:50,582 --> 00:44:52,549
...if, if we're looking for
somebody for the picnic
726
00:44:52,551 --> 00:44:55,251
if we're doing
a sandwich thing..
727
00:44:55,253 --> 00:44:56,652
I mean, there's some
interesting people
728
00:44:56,654 --> 00:45:00,188
doing sandwiches right now,
but, uh, Fred Eric
729
00:45:00,190 --> 00:45:02,523
has this new place
attached to his tiara
730
00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:04,725
called delish.
731
00:45:04,727 --> 00:45:08,028
I'm definitelya great procrastinator.
732
00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:09,929
I suppose when I need to have
an attention span for something
733
00:45:09,931 --> 00:45:13,598
I -- I have an attention span
for something, but..
734
00:45:15,334 --> 00:45:18,702
...it's -- it's, it's hard,
it's hard to explain.
735
00:45:20,304 --> 00:45:22,505
So for some reason
you wanted that, right?
736
00:45:22,507 --> 00:45:25,841
- Yeah, that was great.I think that's perfect.
737
00:45:25,843 --> 00:45:29,210
- I mean, o -- otherwise i
would have sent the call away.
738
00:45:31,414 --> 00:45:34,114
A -- as is my want.
739
00:45:34,116 --> 00:45:35,815
Keep as new..
740
00:45:35,817 --> 00:45:37,383
Maybe if the Internetwent away
741
00:45:37,385 --> 00:45:42,587
but even before the Internet,I mean, I would always find
742
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:44,989
you know, 12 booksand 17 magazines
743
00:45:44,991 --> 00:45:47,358
I had to read before I couldfinish an article.
744
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,361
Now, I havethe attention span of a gnat.
745
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,034
- Being Jonathan's editor
746
00:45:58,036 --> 00:46:02,137
it's like being someone's,
like, teenage stalker for me.
747
00:46:02,139 --> 00:46:04,439
I knew he won'tturn his piece in
748
00:46:04,441 --> 00:46:06,507
even if he agrees to do it
749
00:46:06,509 --> 00:46:08,909
and then I realized thatwhat it was gonna take
750
00:46:08,911 --> 00:46:13,446
would be, you know,
bordering on psychotic levels
751
00:46:13,448 --> 00:46:17,782
of, of e-mail and phone
and text harassment.
752
00:46:20,952 --> 00:46:23,887
- Hm, I'll call
when I get back.
753
00:46:27,591 --> 00:46:30,726
You know, actually I went
to somebody who specialized
in writer's block.
754
00:46:30,728 --> 00:46:36,297
I mean, that was her thing,
and she just threw her hands up
755
00:46:36,299 --> 00:46:39,366
and usually I do writer's block,
i do people who can't write.
756
00:46:39,368 --> 00:46:42,402
There's something
that keeps them from writing
757
00:46:42,404 --> 00:46:48,641
yet you publish 150,000 words
a year. Clearly you're writing.
758
00:46:48,643 --> 00:46:52,711
That, I'm not, I don't deny that
what you're experiencing
759
00:46:52,713 --> 00:46:55,780
is something, but I have
no idea what it is.
760
00:46:55,782 --> 00:46:58,282
I mean, I couldsit down and I can say that
761
00:46:58,284 --> 00:46:59,816
"oh, you need to dothis piece a week early"
762
00:46:59,818 --> 00:47:04,219
but I end up like, you know,torturing one paragraph for
763
00:47:04,221 --> 00:47:06,622
you know, 3 and a half days
764
00:47:06,624 --> 00:47:08,457
and then somebody calls
and starts yelling at me
765
00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:12,193
and the rest of the piece will
be done in an hour and a half.
766
00:47:14,763 --> 00:47:17,030
- So...Alright.
767
00:47:17,032 --> 00:47:18,998
What else we need
to talk about is what you think
768
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,767
you might be doing in terms
of reviews for the next
couple of weeks.
769
00:47:22,769 --> 00:47:26,270
- I think next week will be, um
770
00:47:26,272 --> 00:47:29,606
this new
szechuan restaurant in..
771
00:47:31,342 --> 00:47:32,909
...surprise, alhambra.
772
00:47:32,911 --> 00:47:35,144
- Mm-hmm.
773
00:47:35,146 --> 00:47:39,781
- That, um, is called
the chengdu taste.
774
00:47:39,783 --> 00:47:42,884
Like, there's, um,there's a dish on the menu
775
00:47:42,886 --> 00:47:44,919
called intriguingly enough, uh..
776
00:47:47,155 --> 00:47:50,157
..Little sister's
spicy rabbit.
777
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:51,625
- Yeah, great.
778
00:47:51,627 --> 00:47:53,526
- I don't think
they're actually cooking --
779
00:47:53,528 --> 00:47:54,793
- rabbit?
780
00:47:54,795 --> 00:47:56,327
- Oh, it's rabbit,
but I don't think
781
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:58,262
it's, like,
the little sister's rabbit.
782
00:47:58,264 --> 00:48:00,797
I think it's in the style of..
783
00:48:01,965 --> 00:48:04,132
...the way a little sister
would make it
784
00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:05,366
unless it actually was --
785
00:48:05,368 --> 00:48:09,436
- I sort of regard himsome days as my younger
786
00:48:09,438 --> 00:48:11,538
much smarter little brother
787
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:14,474
um, and I'm the first born,
and I'm the responsible one
788
00:48:14,476 --> 00:48:16,776
and I have to make
the trains run on time
789
00:48:16,778 --> 00:48:21,247
and he's the funny, smart,
talented one, and I, uh
790
00:48:21,249 --> 00:48:24,183
there's probably some love
buried down there deep inside
791
00:48:24,185 --> 00:48:26,618
but um, uh..
792
00:48:29,655 --> 00:48:33,157
...it's, sometimes the role
is difficult to play.
793
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,492
So, how difficult, alright
794
00:48:35,494 --> 00:48:38,995
is it gonna be
to photograph there?
795
00:48:38,997 --> 00:48:40,496
Is there gonna bea language barrier?
796
00:48:40,498 --> 00:48:42,130
There is gonna be
a language barrier.
797
00:48:42,132 --> 00:48:43,898
- We need to take care
of that this afternoon.
798
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,267
- Okay, I'll do that.
- Okay, um --
799
00:48:46,269 --> 00:48:47,368
- you come upwith the cattle prod
800
00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:48,369
I'll come up with the copy.
801
00:48:48,371 --> 00:48:49,770
- Awesome.
802
00:48:53,574 --> 00:48:55,474
- Chengdu taste.
803
00:48:55,476 --> 00:48:57,375
Everybody's excited about it.
804
00:48:57,377 --> 00:49:00,244
Not 'cause we haven't had
chengdu style food here before
805
00:49:00,246 --> 00:49:05,481
but the sort of freshness,the, the vividnessof the flavors
806
00:49:05,483 --> 00:49:08,150
the fact that everythingis not just lashed
807
00:49:08,152 --> 00:49:12,720
with oceans of chili oil
808
00:49:12,722 --> 00:49:15,322
makes it sort ofa really appealing place.
809
00:49:16,824 --> 00:49:19,358
One thing that I try
never, never to do
810
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,427
is to pretend expertise
that I don't have.
811
00:49:22,429 --> 00:49:25,062
I like to come to it the way
812
00:49:25,064 --> 00:49:28,331
that I assume most of myreaders are gonna come to it..
813
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:31,534
...that I don't necessarily,no more than they do
814
00:49:31,536 --> 00:49:36,171
and I find outchengdu is the largest city
815
00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:38,840
and the capitalof sichuan proper.
816
00:49:38,842 --> 00:49:41,742
Um, it's inland, so there'sprobably not gonna be
817
00:49:41,744 --> 00:49:43,210
a lot of sea food..
818
00:49:44,445 --> 00:49:46,212
...although these
pictures are all, like
819
00:49:46,214 --> 00:49:48,781
you know, abalone crab.
820
00:49:51,851 --> 00:49:55,820
I very rarely take notesin a restaurant.
821
00:49:55,822 --> 00:50:01,158
I'm more involved in, sort of,
observingthe music of the meal.
822
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,861
I mean, you could take noteswhen you're having sex too
823
00:50:04,863 --> 00:50:08,531
but you'd, sort of,be missing out on something
824
00:50:08,533 --> 00:50:11,700
and I go to restaurantsusually 4 or 5 times
825
00:50:11,702 --> 00:50:13,501
before I review them.
826
00:50:13,503 --> 00:50:18,505
In the case of placeswhere the cuisineis unfamiliar to me
827
00:50:18,507 --> 00:50:21,374
I may go many, manymore times than that.
828
00:50:21,376 --> 00:50:23,909
I think my record is 17.
829
00:50:31,851 --> 00:50:35,854
Uh, let's get
the...The fish with green chili.
830
00:50:35,856 --> 00:50:38,423
They -- they don't havethat chicken dish you like
831
00:50:38,425 --> 00:50:39,624
but they have, uh --
832
00:50:39,626 --> 00:50:41,258
- that's okay.
I mean, I don't --
833
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:44,894
- and the wonton with --
- okay.
834
00:50:44,896 --> 00:50:46,095
- I've been thinking
that you'll like
835
00:50:46,097 --> 00:50:47,729
the water boiled fish.
836
00:50:47,731 --> 00:50:50,698
A lot of, uh,
sichuan peppercorn..
837
00:51:09,282 --> 00:51:11,616
- Hi, how are you today?
Nice to see you again.
838
00:51:11,618 --> 00:51:13,851
- Nice to see you too.
Thanks.
839
00:51:16,554 --> 00:51:18,354
I mean the senseof discovery of eating
840
00:51:18,356 --> 00:51:22,091
something you've neverhad before is exhilarating.
841
00:51:22,093 --> 00:51:26,027
But what's even betterI think is
842
00:51:26,029 --> 00:51:29,330
you get throughthe exhilaration
843
00:51:29,332 --> 00:51:31,198
you go throughthe infatuation phase
844
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,800
for the next coupleof meals and then maybe
845
00:51:33,802 --> 00:51:38,937
if you're really lucky,you get to the placeof understanding.
846
00:51:38,939 --> 00:51:42,573
I mean, I wouldn't pretend
to know anything at all
847
00:51:42,575 --> 00:51:47,044
about Burma from having had
two dozen Burmese meals, right?
848
00:51:47,046 --> 00:51:50,781
But there was, uh, certainly
a point where I thought
849
00:51:50,783 --> 00:51:53,517
I knew something about Burma
for having that
850
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:57,187
and it's, like, seeinga movie or something
851
00:51:57,189 --> 00:51:58,588
like, seeing a documentary.
852
00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:00,590
It gives you the illusionof understanding things
853
00:52:00,592 --> 00:52:02,992
and maybe you have a different
context to put things in
854
00:52:02,994 --> 00:52:06,862
and sometimes that's,
that's all you can ask for
855
00:52:06,864 --> 00:52:10,332
and sometimes that's enough.
856
00:52:10,334 --> 00:52:12,634
No shortage of bean sprouts.
857
00:52:12,636 --> 00:52:14,469
- The book thatwe oughta write
858
00:52:14,471 --> 00:52:18,039
would be some sort of popular,
populist thing
859
00:52:18,041 --> 00:52:20,274
on all these communities
and who runs what
860
00:52:20,276 --> 00:52:23,810
and all the stuff that I always
wanna know the answer to.
861
00:52:23,812 --> 00:52:27,380
Between the two of us,
the number of hours spent
862
00:52:27,382 --> 00:52:30,716
not writing that book..
863
00:52:30,718 --> 00:52:32,584
...it would be,
it would take a lifetime
864
00:52:32,586 --> 00:52:34,418
not to write that book.
865
00:52:36,287 --> 00:52:38,287
- Yeah, sure.
- Okay.
866
00:52:40,857 --> 00:52:43,859
- You will probably findthis chengdu style cooking
867
00:52:43,861 --> 00:52:46,595
lighter, cleaner, and lesslikely to wake you up
868
00:52:46,597 --> 00:52:50,165
in the middle of the nightwith chili oil inducednightmares.
869
00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:53,268
The food is still quite spicy,
flavored with a vast array
870
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:56,504
of fresh, dried, pickledand ground chilis.
871
00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,106
The almost electric chargeof the peppercorns
872
00:52:59,108 --> 00:53:02,709
brings out the flavorof the filets and chilies.
873
00:53:02,711 --> 00:53:05,411
The taste flitsaround your lips and tongue
874
00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:08,947
with the weird vibrancyof a flashing las Vegas sign
875
00:53:08,949 --> 00:53:11,015
where the pepper saucewith the wonton
876
00:53:11,017 --> 00:53:13,450
obliterateseverything in its path
877
00:53:13,452 --> 00:53:17,020
like a mysteriouslypleasurablepunch in the mouth.
878
00:53:43,981 --> 00:53:46,014
- The little secretthat people don't get about
879
00:53:46,016 --> 00:53:50,017
Jonathan's writing is the wayhe uses the second person.
880
00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:52,252
He'll start a review
something like
881
00:53:52,254 --> 00:53:55,888
um, you probably have found
in the past
882
00:53:55,890 --> 00:53:59,358
that deer penis is not
really worth the effort
883
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,195
that the, that the amount of
gristle and fat and bone
884
00:54:04,197 --> 00:54:07,898
is just to high in proportion
to the amount of stringy meat
885
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:09,299
you're able to pull off,
886
00:54:09,301 --> 00:54:11,934
but that's because
you've never had deer penis
887
00:54:11,936 --> 00:54:14,903
at this vietnamese restaurant
that specializes in it.
888
00:54:14,905 --> 00:54:18,306
In the first paragraph, he'sformed a bond with the reader.
889
00:54:18,308 --> 00:54:22,109
You know, you and I are people
who eat deer penis
890
00:54:22,111 --> 00:54:24,611
and you know even though
the readers
891
00:54:24,613 --> 00:54:27,880
even though 99.9% of his readers
892
00:54:27,882 --> 00:54:30,949
has never ordered
or eaten deer penis
893
00:54:30,951 --> 00:54:33,851
he brings you to his tablein a way that
894
00:54:33,853 --> 00:54:36,586
I've never seen anotherrestaurant writer do.
895
00:54:40,924 --> 00:54:43,191
- It takes great writingand great storytelling
896
00:54:43,193 --> 00:54:47,561
to elevate food criticism
to what Jonathan does
897
00:54:47,563 --> 00:54:50,397
and Jonathan was thefirst pulitzer prize winner
898
00:54:50,399 --> 00:54:52,932
for food criticism.
899
00:54:52,934 --> 00:54:56,035
- The fact that someone could
write about food in such a way
900
00:54:56,037 --> 00:54:58,037
as to get the attention of
people not in the food world
901
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,673
but in the journalism world,
in the cultural criticism world
902
00:55:01,675 --> 00:55:03,841
to me was hugely significant.
903
00:55:03,843 --> 00:55:08,645
- I think the fact that he got
the pulitzer for food criticism
904
00:55:08,647 --> 00:55:15,417
sort of put the stamp on food
as a, um, a subject
905
00:55:15,419 --> 00:55:18,720
worthy of, of serious inquiry.
906
00:55:18,722 --> 00:55:21,155
- Thank you,
- are you guys
interested in wine?
907
00:55:21,157 --> 00:55:22,956
- Coffee is fine. Thank you.
- Right. Sounds good.
908
00:55:22,958 --> 00:55:24,691
- Have you ever
been on any kind of a diet?
909
00:55:24,693 --> 00:55:28,493
Have you ever made any
sort of dietary restrictions?
910
00:55:28,495 --> 00:55:29,961
- Hm, no.
911
00:55:33,198 --> 00:55:34,965
- I mean, you've read
all the stuff that, like
912
00:55:34,967 --> 00:55:37,000
cooking is actually
what makes us human.
913
00:55:37,002 --> 00:55:41,403
- Right. I had to explain
to my 4 year old.
Like, what's the diff..
914
00:55:41,405 --> 00:55:42,537
It was like, she's like,
"we're animals."
915
00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:43,672
I'm, like, "yeah, we're
animals." She's like
916
00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:45,040
"so what makes us people?"
917
00:55:45,042 --> 00:55:47,275
And I was like, "well, we cook."
918
00:55:47,277 --> 00:55:49,043
And she seemed satisfied
with that.
919
00:55:49,045 --> 00:55:50,978
That's the differencebetween me and a monkey
920
00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:53,180
because I will puree
the banana for you
921
00:55:53,182 --> 00:55:55,849
and he will just
throw it at you.
922
00:55:55,851 --> 00:55:57,417
So what's,
what's your next thing
923
00:55:57,419 --> 00:55:59,485
for "lucky peach" going to be?
924
00:55:59,487 --> 00:56:01,453
Or what ideas
can I steal from you
925
00:56:01,455 --> 00:56:03,354
and then put into "lucky peach?"
926
00:56:03,356 --> 00:56:05,222
I'm taking hagfish
927
00:56:05,224 --> 00:56:07,657
and you threatened to take me
to the hagfish restaurant.
928
00:56:07,659 --> 00:56:09,492
- I didn't threaten you,did you go to the hagfishrestaurant?
929
00:56:09,494 --> 00:56:11,093
- I have not yet been
to the hagfish restaurant.
930
00:56:16,698 --> 00:56:18,932
I didn't think thatyou were fucking with me
931
00:56:18,934 --> 00:56:21,901
but your descriptionof the hagfish..
932
00:56:21,903 --> 00:56:25,170
- Well, the first thing about
the hagfish is that it's not
933
00:56:25,172 --> 00:56:28,039
really delicious.
934
00:56:28,041 --> 00:56:30,708
It's like eel,
only a lot worse.
935
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:33,410
Really? Like muddier? Blander?
936
00:56:33,412 --> 00:56:35,979
- It's bla, it's blander
937
00:56:35,981 --> 00:56:40,516
and the filets are gelatinous
938
00:56:40,518 --> 00:56:42,417
but sort of everything
about the hagfish
939
00:56:42,419 --> 00:56:44,118
is bothersome, right?
940
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,687
The fact that it's thisweird hybrid
941
00:56:46,689 --> 00:56:48,188
of a vertebrate andinvertebrate
942
00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:51,257
it's really sort ofan early species and the..
943
00:56:51,259 --> 00:56:54,293
It has a cranium,but it reallyhas no other bones.
944
00:56:54,295 --> 00:56:57,062
- And then the slime thing.
- And the slime thing.
945
00:56:57,064 --> 00:57:01,432
You could put a hagfishin a 5 gallon bucket of water
946
00:57:01,434 --> 00:57:06,336
and the bucket will turnto solid slime in seconds.
947
00:57:06,338 --> 00:57:08,738
- Jonathan doesn't write about
food because it's weird
948
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:12,074
like that's not, I don't think
that's ever a sole motivator
949
00:57:12,076 --> 00:57:15,677
though he is,
like, uniquely good at finding
950
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,513
horrible things to eat.
951
00:57:18,515 --> 00:57:23,350
Um, he writes about it
because people eat it
952
00:57:23,352 --> 00:57:25,552
and that's a part
of their culture and their world
953
00:57:25,554 --> 00:57:29,155
and if you learn about that,
then you're connected to them.
954
00:57:38,831 --> 00:57:42,700
- Now we're
going down Westwood boulevard
955
00:57:42,702 --> 00:57:45,369
and towards,
what was for so many years
956
00:57:45,371 --> 00:57:48,472
junior's deli,
which was the deli
957
00:57:48,474 --> 00:57:50,507
my family grew up going to.
958
00:57:50,509 --> 00:57:54,911
For, uh, reformedJewish families in Los Angeles
959
00:57:54,913 --> 00:57:59,515
sometimes like
your deli is more telling
960
00:57:59,517 --> 00:58:03,318
of who you are
and what your status is
961
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,255
and how you grow up
than the show you went to.
962
00:58:07,257 --> 00:58:09,290
If your family
went to Nate'n al's
963
00:58:09,292 --> 00:58:11,959
you were,
you were kind of fancy.
964
00:58:11,961 --> 00:58:15,629
If your family went to, uh..
965
00:58:15,631 --> 00:58:19,599
...labels table,
you were probably
966
00:58:19,601 --> 00:58:22,201
pretty close to working class,
but if your family was going
967
00:58:22,203 --> 00:58:24,870
to junior's, you were, you were
doing alright.
968
00:58:42,521 --> 00:58:44,321
You ever been here before?
969
00:58:44,323 --> 00:58:46,056
- No, I never have.
970
00:58:46,058 --> 00:58:47,824
- It's kind of like
a social scene in Tehran
971
00:58:47,826 --> 00:58:52,161
that's reproducing itself,
like 30 years later.
972
00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:56,398
- That's cool.
973
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,832
- It's funny thateverybody thinks
974
00:58:57,834 --> 00:59:00,568
we had this sort of likegourmet upbringing, right?
975
00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:03,070
Just remembering the stuff that
we ate when we were kids.
976
00:59:03,072 --> 00:59:04,204
- What do you mean?
977
00:59:04,206 --> 00:59:06,539
Iceberg, salad..
978
00:59:06,541 --> 00:59:10,409
Um, orange jello, French fries
979
00:59:10,411 --> 00:59:12,978
cream wafer sticks,
and Dr. pepper.
980
00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:15,413
That was like the perfect meal.
What are you talking about?
981
00:59:15,415 --> 00:59:17,181
- When you describe
it like that, it sounds like
982
00:59:17,183 --> 00:59:20,784
one of those typical last meals
that prisoners request..
983
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,019
...before they go
to the electric chair.
984
00:59:24,021 --> 00:59:25,120
- We just had that a lot.
985
00:59:25,122 --> 00:59:28,056
- We did have that a lot.
986
00:59:28,058 --> 00:59:30,925
- So have you eaten
any endangered species lately?
987
00:59:30,927 --> 00:59:32,493
- Yes,
i had an ortolan souffle.
988
00:59:32,495 --> 00:59:35,295
It was, it was delightful.
989
00:59:35,297 --> 00:59:37,397
My brotherand I are pretty different.
990
00:59:37,399 --> 00:59:39,232
I mean, he's an
environmentalist.
991
00:59:39,234 --> 00:59:43,335
He lives to save the ocean.
992
00:59:43,337 --> 00:59:47,072
And I'm the guywho bought the truck
993
00:59:47,074 --> 00:59:49,140
that was the single mostpolluting vehicle
994
00:59:49,142 --> 00:59:51,475
in consumer reports that year.
995
00:59:51,477 --> 00:59:55,178
I'm not proud of it, but mark
definitely pointed it out to me.
996
00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:58,347
- Dinner at the gold table
was always a blood sport
997
00:59:58,349 --> 01:00:00,782
because all 3 of us brothers
were always
998
01:00:00,784 --> 01:00:02,984
ragging on each other
all the time.
999
01:00:02,986 --> 01:00:07,320
How can you say, "okay, this is
an amazing Sushi place"
1000
01:00:07,322 --> 01:00:09,155
and say,
"don't eat the blue fin"
1001
01:00:09,157 --> 01:00:11,790
when you're still getting
people to go to that place?
1002
01:00:11,792 --> 01:00:15,326
- Well, I'm,
I'm subtler than that.
1003
01:00:15,328 --> 01:00:17,928
- Mm, yes and no.
1004
01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:21,164
You're the one who was on a
Korean whale eating tour.
1005
01:00:21,166 --> 01:00:23,099
I have to be anenvironmentalist
1006
01:00:23,101 --> 01:00:26,402
because Jonathan's eating
everything I'm trying to save.
1007
01:00:26,404 --> 01:00:28,771
The question is whether
or not you go to the point
1008
01:00:28,773 --> 01:00:31,874
o -- of using a regulatory
mechanism to have this country
1009
01:00:31,876 --> 01:00:33,375
lead by example.
1010
01:00:33,377 --> 01:00:36,010
I've often thought that oneof my biggest achievements
1011
01:00:36,012 --> 01:00:42,048
was getting my brother to write
and op-ed piece on a bill
1012
01:00:42,050 --> 01:00:46,085
that we were pushing to ban on
the sale of shark fin products
1013
01:00:46,087 --> 01:00:47,786
in the state of California.
1014
01:00:47,788 --> 01:00:49,721
Believe me,
I'd like to see, you know
1015
01:00:49,723 --> 01:00:51,622
shark's fin soup
banned tomorrow..
1016
01:00:51,624 --> 01:00:55,292
It took me 4 months to get him
to write that piece
1017
01:00:55,294 --> 01:00:59,295
but I read his piece
and my anger melted away.
1018
01:00:59,297 --> 01:01:01,563
"But as much asyou might love conpoy
1019
01:01:01,565 --> 01:01:06,066
"dried flotation bladders,crab eggs, braised fish cheeks
1020
01:01:06,068 --> 01:01:09,035
"and the other esotericaof cantonese seafood cooking
1021
01:01:09,037 --> 01:01:11,237
"it is hard to work upan appetite
1022
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:14,340
for the bitter tasteof extinction."
1023
01:01:14,342 --> 01:01:17,042
I had people who worked on the
bill say that that was one
1024
01:01:17,044 --> 01:01:19,778
of the most critical aspects
of the entire campaign
1025
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:23,214
to get the bill passed, and so
the power of how well he writes
1026
01:01:23,216 --> 01:01:24,315
really made a big difference.
1027
01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:31,220
- My dad always wantedto be a writer
1028
01:01:31,222 --> 01:01:35,490
and he was very talented.
1029
01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:38,926
- My father was probably
the most overeducated
1030
01:01:38,928 --> 01:01:42,596
probation officer in the history
of Los Angeles county.
1031
01:01:42,598 --> 01:01:45,165
He really wanted to be anEnglish professor.
1032
01:01:45,167 --> 01:01:48,835
He was all but dissertationin American literature
1033
01:01:48,837 --> 01:01:52,171
but la county probation
paid a lot more
1034
01:01:52,173 --> 01:01:54,873
than being an English professor.
1035
01:01:54,875 --> 01:01:58,176
So, our householdwas all about culture
1036
01:01:58,178 --> 01:02:02,612
and we were just exposed to,you know, any book we wanted.
1037
01:02:02,614 --> 01:02:04,780
Doesn't matter what our
financial situation is
1038
01:02:04,782 --> 01:02:05,947
that book would appear.
1039
01:02:05,949 --> 01:02:07,815
- There was always
music playing
1040
01:02:07,817 --> 01:02:10,050
usually my dad's infatuation
1041
01:02:10,052 --> 01:02:13,353
with either
mahler or Italian opera.
1042
01:02:13,355 --> 01:02:16,422
And there was the ideathat the culture of the nation
1043
01:02:16,424 --> 01:02:19,391
was sort of like flowingthrough our living room.
1044
01:02:22,828 --> 01:02:23,828
- What are you working on?
1045
01:02:23,830 --> 01:02:26,063
- Oh, well, yeah.
1046
01:02:26,065 --> 01:02:29,332
Okay, so here, here, here it is.
1047
01:02:29,334 --> 01:02:30,833
- Oh, I remember this.
1048
01:02:30,835 --> 01:02:31,934
This was in yourpainting class.
1049
01:02:31,936 --> 01:02:35,103
- Yeah.-Dark stuff.
1050
01:02:35,105 --> 01:02:38,539
Isabel has always drawn,even when very young, 4 or 5
1051
01:02:38,541 --> 01:02:43,043
she used to paint and drawpictures like incessantly.
1052
01:02:43,045 --> 01:02:45,378
I mean, it must be hard
living with writers, right?
1053
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:47,146
I mean, people who are
1054
01:02:47,148 --> 01:02:49,381
who basically judgeor you think judge
1055
01:02:49,383 --> 01:02:51,549
every single sentencethat you say.
1056
01:02:51,551 --> 01:02:53,951
Maybe that's why
she went into cartooning.
1057
01:02:53,953 --> 01:02:56,053
"Cold okapis!"
1058
01:02:56,055 --> 01:02:57,554
Looks like I have, like,a split lip
1059
01:02:57,556 --> 01:02:59,722
like a dog, that's good.
1060
01:03:07,195 --> 01:03:09,963
I hope my kids have grown upwith culture in the way
1061
01:03:09,965 --> 01:03:11,764
that I grew up with culture.
1062
01:03:11,766 --> 01:03:15,768
I mean, I do this thingwhere we go to a museum
1063
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:19,004
and we stand in frontof a painting for half an hour
1064
01:03:19,006 --> 01:03:20,338
and we talk about the painting
1065
01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:22,840
and every singlething about it.
1066
01:03:22,842 --> 01:03:27,811
And the idea of being ableto spend that much time
1067
01:03:27,813 --> 01:03:31,381
with your child and having
that dialogue about it
1068
01:03:31,383 --> 01:03:34,650
is -- is just wonderful.
1069
01:03:34,652 --> 01:03:36,585
These are all likemembers of the congress
1070
01:03:36,587 --> 01:03:37,752
or something, right?
1071
01:03:37,754 --> 01:03:39,854
- Yeah, yeah.
1072
01:03:39,856 --> 01:03:43,224
- None of them were sostoked about these, right?
1073
01:03:43,226 --> 01:03:46,160
- I mean, I think he was
the first caricaturist.
1074
01:03:46,162 --> 01:03:49,196
And he was very vicious
in his things
1075
01:03:49,198 --> 01:03:50,964
but he was also
like really accurate.
1076
01:03:54,368 --> 01:03:57,036
- Well, you might not have
to see eyes on that one.
1077
01:03:57,038 --> 01:04:00,005
It's like when you're writing
something
1078
01:04:00,007 --> 01:04:03,241
and you're just describing
something as a, as a writer
1079
01:04:03,243 --> 01:04:05,209
you can't list
every single detail.
1080
01:04:05,211 --> 01:04:08,445
You've gotta pick
just a couple of details
1081
01:04:08,447 --> 01:04:13,983
that let the reader see
and then they'll build
1082
01:04:13,985 --> 01:04:16,251
the person up
in their imagination.
1083
01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:18,753
And so, like this guy,you know, he's round
1084
01:04:18,755 --> 01:04:20,655
and he's squatand he's froggy
1085
01:04:20,657 --> 01:04:23,124
and, you know, like there'snobody in the worldwith a nose
1086
01:04:23,126 --> 01:04:25,159
that's that big.
1087
01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:42,808
- In just a few months, la Tiahas already established itself
1088
01:04:42,810 --> 01:04:45,076
as one of the most seriousMexican restaurants
1089
01:04:45,078 --> 01:04:49,180
in Los Angeles in complexityand deftness.
1090
01:04:49,182 --> 01:04:53,184
I always end up with the quail
in the traditional black mole
1091
01:04:53,186 --> 01:04:56,120
so dark that it seemsto suck the light out
1092
01:04:56,122 --> 01:04:58,255
of the airspace around it.
1093
01:04:58,257 --> 01:05:02,458
Spicy as a novellaand bitter as tears.
1094
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:06,929
Mole whose aftertastecan go on for hours.
1095
01:05:06,931 --> 01:05:09,932
La Tia's mole negroappears so glossy and rich
1096
01:05:09,934 --> 01:05:12,901
that I'm always temptedto test its consistency
1097
01:05:12,903 --> 01:05:17,004
by stabbing an index fingerinto itand the resulting stain
1098
01:05:17,006 --> 01:05:19,906
lingers as longas the empurpled digits
1099
01:05:19,908 --> 01:05:23,209
of patriotic Iraqi voters.
1100
01:05:23,211 --> 01:05:26,245
The last timeI was as inspiredby glossy black
1101
01:05:26,247 --> 01:05:30,716
it was part of Charles Ray'sinfamous sculpture ink box
1102
01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:33,719
and it was enshrinedin a major museum of art.
1103
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:02,908
- Hey, this is garth Trinidadfrom kcrw and I am here
1104
01:06:02,910 --> 01:06:07,045
with Jonathan gold,
food critic and writer
1105
01:06:07,047 --> 01:06:10,481
who actually got his start
writing about music.
1106
01:06:10,483 --> 01:06:13,484
- Yeah, I was the classical
music critic at the "la weekly"
1107
01:06:13,486 --> 01:06:15,686
before I did anything else
1108
01:06:15,688 --> 01:06:20,190
and then later got to writeabout Los Angeles hip hop.
1109
01:06:20,192 --> 01:06:22,358
- So we're going to be talking
about some of his favorite songs
1110
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,260
as part of the kcrw
guest dj project.
1111
01:06:25,262 --> 01:06:28,963
♪ Flow my tears
1112
01:06:28,965 --> 01:06:30,564
can we talk about the songthat you picked
1113
01:06:30,566 --> 01:06:31,965
"flow my tears" real quick.
1114
01:06:31,967 --> 01:06:34,734
- Sure, uh, I was a classicalmusic geek growing up.
1115
01:06:34,736 --> 01:06:38,304
I was locked in a, uh,small room with my cello
1116
01:06:38,306 --> 01:06:39,672
for most of my adolescents.
1117
01:06:39,674 --> 01:06:42,541
Uh, I played, you knowviola da gamba.
1118
01:06:42,543 --> 01:06:44,342
That's the way to getthe chicks I'm telling you.
1119
01:06:44,344 --> 01:06:46,510
John dowland was probablythe hit composer
1120
01:06:46,512 --> 01:06:49,145
of the elizabethan era,a little bit afterwards.
1121
01:06:49,147 --> 01:06:51,280
"Flow my tears"was more or less
1122
01:06:51,282 --> 01:06:53,949
the "stairway to heaven"of like 1620.
1123
01:06:53,951 --> 01:06:57,319
♪ Where night's black bird
1124
01:06:57,321 --> 01:07:01,189
♪ her sad infamy sings
1125
01:07:01,191 --> 01:07:05,059
- my dad wanted a string triowith the three brothers
1126
01:07:05,061 --> 01:07:08,028
and I was the worst
violinist player ever.
1127
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:09,996
Josh was probably
the worst viola player ever
1128
01:07:09,998 --> 01:07:12,064
and Jonathan's the guy
who had some talent
1129
01:07:12,066 --> 01:07:13,732
and really stuck with it.
1130
01:07:13,734 --> 01:07:16,634
He knew every single opera and
every classical music piece.
1131
01:07:16,636 --> 01:07:19,269
They used to have a conteston the radio
1132
01:07:19,271 --> 01:07:22,038
on classical musicand opera trivia
1133
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,473
that he would excel
and dominate on.
1134
01:07:24,475 --> 01:07:26,341
- He didn't grow up
with rock and roll
1135
01:07:26,343 --> 01:07:29,177
the way most of us did
just because his parents
1136
01:07:29,179 --> 01:07:31,445
were mostly listening
to classical music
1137
01:07:31,447 --> 01:07:34,414
and because he was so obsessed
with the cello, that was..
1138
01:07:34,416 --> 01:07:37,016
The cello
was kind of his whole life.
1139
01:07:37,018 --> 01:07:41,853
So he experienced like there's a
kind of radical shift
1140
01:07:41,855 --> 01:07:47,058
when he heard, you know,
punk rock for the first time.
1141
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:50,061
- You brought, okay, a trackfrom the germs, "forming?"
1142
01:07:50,063 --> 01:07:52,129
- "Forming" is the firstla punk single
1143
01:07:52,131 --> 01:07:54,131
ever recorded in Los Angeles.
1144
01:07:54,133 --> 01:07:56,066
♪ Rip them down hold them up
1145
01:07:56,068 --> 01:07:57,967
♪ tell them that I'm your gun
1146
01:07:57,969 --> 01:08:02,270
♪ pull my trigger
i am bigger than.. ♪
1147
01:08:02,272 --> 01:08:05,506
Punk rock is sort of whatgot me out of my shell
1148
01:08:05,508 --> 01:08:08,242
and somebody dragged meto the whisky
1149
01:08:08,244 --> 01:08:11,511
to see a show of, you know,x and the screamers.
1150
01:08:11,513 --> 01:08:12,645
I was just..
1151
01:08:12,647 --> 01:08:14,513
"You can do this?"
1152
01:08:14,515 --> 01:08:16,314
"It's possible to do this?"
1153
01:08:16,316 --> 01:08:20,284
And it was as transformingas anything I've ever done.
1154
01:08:23,555 --> 01:08:25,488
♪ Realize all your lies
1155
01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:26,956
♪ hide behind
your suits and ties ♪
1156
01:08:26,958 --> 01:08:28,891
♪ the life you lead
your mouth to feed ♪
1157
01:08:28,893 --> 01:08:30,459
♪ is it really based on these?
1158
01:08:30,461 --> 01:08:32,127
♪ What you do
will get you through ♪
1159
01:08:32,129 --> 01:08:34,462
♪ a humdrum life
here in the zoo ♪
1160
01:08:34,464 --> 01:08:37,765
- I think punk rockis one of the things
1161
01:08:37,767 --> 01:08:40,200
that's really helped
shaped his world view
1162
01:08:40,202 --> 01:08:43,703
and his ideas as a critic.
1163
01:08:43,705 --> 01:08:48,840
The idea of disruption
and, and pushing boundaries.
1164
01:08:48,842 --> 01:08:52,143
When Jonathan came inand was first a critic
1165
01:08:52,145 --> 01:08:55,346
the fact that the "la times"was reviewing, you know
1166
01:08:55,348 --> 01:08:59,249
a burrito place, was disruption.
1167
01:09:19,868 --> 01:09:22,236
- That's delicious,I love mezcal.
1168
01:09:22,238 --> 01:09:23,737
- Mezcal on an empty stomach.
1169
01:09:23,739 --> 01:09:25,004
Welcome to la.
1170
01:09:32,177 --> 01:09:35,012
- My dad was a mezcal makerin oaxaca
1171
01:09:35,014 --> 01:09:38,482
and things were going really bad
for my dad in '93
1172
01:09:38,484 --> 01:09:40,717
and that's when, um,
the peso devalued
1173
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:43,119
so there was an economic
downfall in Mexico
1174
01:09:43,121 --> 01:09:45,521
so he decided to move here.
1175
01:09:45,523 --> 01:09:47,456
So he just startedkinda exploring la
1176
01:09:47,458 --> 01:09:49,691
and this areawhere we are right now
1177
01:09:49,693 --> 01:09:52,527
koreatown, there was a lotof latinos and a lot of people
1178
01:09:52,529 --> 01:09:53,928
from oaxaca that livedin the area.
1179
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:57,064
So my dad openeda little food stand
1180
01:09:57,066 --> 01:09:59,533
and it became very popularamong people from oaxaca
1181
01:09:59,535 --> 01:10:01,801
because they just knewthat's where you went
1182
01:10:01,803 --> 01:10:03,269
to get oaxacan food.
1183
01:10:03,271 --> 01:10:05,437
So he was like, you know, um --
1184
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,806
"let's open up a restaurant."
1185
01:10:07,808 --> 01:10:11,242
It was this little hole in the
wall, maybe like 6 tables
1186
01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:12,643
and we opened
like a little alley
1187
01:10:12,645 --> 01:10:14,811
it was like totally illegal.
1188
01:10:14,813 --> 01:10:19,215
So one day my dadwalks in and was like
1189
01:10:19,217 --> 01:10:20,583
"where are all of thesewhite people coming from?"
1190
01:10:20,585 --> 01:10:22,885
Because there were allthese white people.
1191
01:10:22,887 --> 01:10:26,722
Somebody was like, "don't youknow you were in the'la times?'"
1192
01:10:26,724 --> 01:10:28,690
in fact, Jonathan goldreviewed the restaurant
1193
01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:31,526
before the Spanishspeaking media.
1194
01:10:31,528 --> 01:10:34,529
And now the restaurant's run
by my sister, my brother
1195
01:10:34,531 --> 01:10:37,565
and myself, and we sit
300 people here.
1196
01:10:40,635 --> 01:10:42,435
- These are so delicious.
1197
01:10:42,437 --> 01:10:44,470
- The grasshoppers?
1198
01:10:44,472 --> 01:10:46,071
- They're so delicious.
1199
01:10:46,073 --> 01:10:50,041
I think there's 2 things,
i mean one, it's insects
1200
01:10:50,043 --> 01:10:53,710
and two, it's a whole animal,
which is still
1201
01:10:53,712 --> 01:10:56,779
really hard for Americans.
1202
01:10:56,781 --> 01:10:59,782
I mean, if we're going to
survive as a species
1203
01:10:59,784 --> 01:11:01,517
we're going to eat insects.
1204
01:11:01,519 --> 01:11:03,618
- We are.
- I mean, unless we're idiots.
1205
01:11:06,388 --> 01:11:08,655
- For us,the oaxacan community
1206
01:11:08,657 --> 01:11:11,557
we owe him a lot
because in oaxaca
1207
01:11:11,559 --> 01:11:14,226
people are really
looked down on
1208
01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:16,728
because we come
from an indigenous background
1209
01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:19,630
and to have someone put itout there and say
1210
01:11:19,632 --> 01:11:22,799
come and tastethis oaxacan food.
1211
01:11:22,801 --> 01:11:25,134
I think it even helped me
as a person
1212
01:11:25,136 --> 01:11:28,337
to embrace my culture
because people cared
1213
01:11:28,339 --> 01:11:31,406
about my food and people cared,
and people were really like
1214
01:11:31,408 --> 01:11:33,608
"oh, your food's like,
your food's cool"
1215
01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:36,010
and I was like,
"yeah, my food's cool."
1216
01:12:28,595 --> 01:12:30,162
- Hello.
1217
01:12:30,164 --> 01:12:32,230
- He's a funny guy.
1218
01:12:34,566 --> 01:12:37,734
The don of dogs.
1219
01:12:37,736 --> 01:12:40,336
- How you doing, Duane?
- What's up, big guy?
1220
01:12:40,338 --> 01:12:41,470
- Same old, you?
1221
01:12:41,472 --> 01:12:43,905
- Hot dogs.
1222
01:12:43,907 --> 01:12:46,240
- So, so you're, you're backto the cart.
1223
01:12:46,242 --> 01:12:48,909
- I'm back to the cart,we're doing it big again.
1224
01:12:48,911 --> 01:12:50,911
We did this just
to let people know
1225
01:12:50,913 --> 01:12:53,280
hey, what's happening,
we're about to get back open.
1226
01:12:53,282 --> 01:12:55,915
It's cool because I'm gettinga lot of my old customers
1227
01:12:55,917 --> 01:12:58,050
who were hot dog cart customers,
pulling up saying
1228
01:12:58,052 --> 01:13:00,218
"i could have sworn,
i saw your little peanut head
1229
01:13:00,220 --> 01:13:01,719
"standing over there,
so I had to come back
1230
01:13:01,721 --> 01:13:04,755
over here and see
what your hot dogs were like."
1231
01:13:04,757 --> 01:13:07,424
- Earle's wieners
is opening up!
1232
01:13:12,396 --> 01:13:14,597
- 28 years, since what '86?
1233
01:13:14,599 --> 01:13:17,866
- '86.
- '86
1234
01:13:17,868 --> 01:13:20,201
- crenshaw suave, baby.
- Lotta dogs.
1235
01:13:29,077 --> 01:13:31,111
- There's no tidy way
to eat one of these.
1236
01:13:34,849 --> 01:13:37,817
I've always felt
a little uncomfortable
about claiming hood.
1237
01:13:39,019 --> 01:13:42,221
I grew up in south la,
but I obviously
1238
01:13:42,223 --> 01:13:44,856
my family moved out before..
1239
01:13:46,892 --> 01:13:49,093
...when I was still very young.
1240
01:13:52,664 --> 01:13:55,632
We had moved there,or my parents had moved there
1241
01:13:55,634 --> 01:13:59,435
in the late '50s
when my dad was a teacher
1242
01:13:59,437 --> 01:14:02,070
at audubon junior high school
1243
01:14:02,072 --> 01:14:07,275
which was this sort of
beautifully integrated school.
1244
01:14:07,277 --> 01:14:08,609
There were, you know..
1245
01:14:08,611 --> 01:14:13,513
There were lots of black kids
and lots of white kids
1246
01:14:13,515 --> 01:14:17,449
and lots of Japanese kids,
and it seemed like
1247
01:14:17,451 --> 01:14:19,551
that was gonna be
the future of la
1248
01:14:19,553 --> 01:14:23,821
and he wanted to be part of it,
so he moved into the community.
1249
01:14:25,323 --> 01:14:32,128
Some of my earliest memories
are of the riots in 1965.
1250
01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:34,497
You know, sitting at the top
of our hill
1251
01:14:34,499 --> 01:14:38,267
and, and seeing the fires
burn down below
1252
01:14:38,269 --> 01:14:42,771
of seeing the tanks
go along crenshaw boulevard
1253
01:14:42,773 --> 01:14:47,575
and after that
the neighborhood changed.
1254
01:15:08,928 --> 01:15:11,329
- We're herewith Jonathan gold.
1255
01:15:11,331 --> 01:15:14,765
So you brought funkadelic with
the classic "maggot brain."
1256
01:15:14,767 --> 01:15:16,867
- Maybe you rememberin the old dayswhen you could actually
1257
01:15:16,869 --> 01:15:20,637
buy like, um, soul recordsin liquor stores.
1258
01:15:20,639 --> 01:15:23,272
I was 13 or 14when I was trying to buy
1259
01:15:23,274 --> 01:15:26,608
uh, you know,beer on a false ID.
1260
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:28,876
And I picked up "maggot brain"
because I loved the cover.
1261
01:15:28,878 --> 01:15:32,212
Got home and put it onand the guitar solo
1262
01:15:32,214 --> 01:15:33,613
Eddie Hazel,it's just amazing.
1263
01:15:33,615 --> 01:15:35,114
It just keeps flowing.
1264
01:15:35,116 --> 01:15:37,449
It has a sort of, uh, majesty
1265
01:15:37,451 --> 01:15:40,418
that you expect from somebodylike, you know, Wagner
1266
01:15:40,420 --> 01:15:41,852
the conceptof the endless melody
1267
01:15:41,854 --> 01:15:43,720
the one that goes on forever.
1268
01:15:43,722 --> 01:15:46,255
Almost all of blues guitarists
1269
01:15:46,257 --> 01:15:48,624
just Peter out in the middle,they have nothing more to say
1270
01:15:48,626 --> 01:15:51,760
so they did the wa wa wa,but Eddie Hazel doesn't.
1271
01:15:51,762 --> 01:15:54,796
He always has something newto say, and the tune
1272
01:15:54,798 --> 01:15:56,998
and the chord progressionkeeps folding in on itself
1273
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,833
and showing itselfin all of these
1274
01:15:58,835 --> 01:16:00,868
you know, wonderfulmiraculous ways.
1275
01:16:50,884 --> 01:16:54,353
- Please join me in welcomingJonathan gold.
1276
01:16:58,290 --> 01:17:00,024
- Thank you.
1277
01:17:04,228 --> 01:17:06,062
Hi.
1278
01:17:06,064 --> 01:17:11,700
I, in some ways I think
come to you as an emissary
1279
01:17:11,702 --> 01:17:15,070
from the world of failure
1280
01:17:15,072 --> 01:17:16,871
a rare citizen
of the wide country
1281
01:17:16,873 --> 01:17:21,408
where things do not turn out
exactly as you've planned.
1282
01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:25,211
I'm here to saythat that's okay.
1283
01:17:25,213 --> 01:17:26,912
Still, when I wake up
in the morning
1284
01:17:26,914 --> 01:17:29,481
I don't feel
like a semi-successful writer
1285
01:17:29,483 --> 01:17:30,949
a chronicler of Los Angeles
1286
01:17:30,951 --> 01:17:33,918
I feel like a failed cellist
1287
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,287
which was more or less
my ucla experience.
1288
01:17:38,056 --> 01:17:40,724
But all of us, especiallythose of us in the arts
1289
01:17:40,726 --> 01:17:43,727
experience failure,and it is this experience
1290
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:45,729
of failurethat makes us strong
1291
01:17:45,731 --> 01:17:49,099
that helpsmake us who we are.
1292
01:17:49,101 --> 01:17:51,768
Did my uclaacquired knowledge help me
1293
01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:53,970
when I wrote about hip hopin the 1980s?
1294
01:17:53,972 --> 01:17:56,973
Not directly, but it was a way
of listeningthat gave me a way
1295
01:17:56,975 --> 01:18:00,443
to understand the musicin an important way.
1296
01:18:00,445 --> 01:18:02,611
Did my experience in writingabout opera and new music
1297
01:18:02,613 --> 01:18:05,347
have anything to dowith food writing?
1298
01:18:05,349 --> 01:18:08,917
Yes, as it turns out,on a very basic level
1299
01:18:08,919 --> 01:18:11,819
criticism is criticism.
1300
01:18:11,821 --> 01:18:14,388
An Aria is in some way
1301
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:17,524
equivalentto a well-cooked potato
1302
01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:21,260
and both the comprehensionof form and the ability
1303
01:18:21,262 --> 01:18:24,062
to describe abstract sensation
1304
01:18:24,064 --> 01:18:26,798
which I learned to doas an undergraduate
1305
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:31,969
in music and art courses here,
turns out to be exactly
1306
01:18:31,971 --> 01:18:34,237
what I needed to know.
1307
01:18:39,042 --> 01:18:41,076
- I think the great human ill
1308
01:18:41,078 --> 01:18:44,212
is, uh, contempt prior
to investigation.
1309
01:18:44,214 --> 01:18:46,514
Jonathan takes that idea..
1310
01:18:46,516 --> 01:18:49,016
It's a really comfy idea
for a lot of Americans
1311
01:18:49,018 --> 01:18:51,985
and he just, he just blows it
the fuck up.
1312
01:18:55,222 --> 01:18:57,590
- Jonathan goldis my guest dj.
1313
01:18:57,592 --> 01:19:01,326
Okay, man, so you brought
some la gangsta rap.
1314
01:19:01,328 --> 01:19:03,261
Some Los Angeles gangsta rap
1315
01:19:03,263 --> 01:19:06,397
and you brought "g thang"from, uh, Dr. dre, snoop dogg.
1316
01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:09,933
Now, listen, the rumor isyou were in the studio
1317
01:19:09,935 --> 01:19:11,668
a lot of the time with themwhen they were actually
1318
01:19:11,670 --> 01:19:13,002
recording "doggystyle"and stuff like that.
1319
01:19:13,004 --> 01:19:14,436
- Yeah, yeah, I was.
1320
01:19:14,438 --> 01:19:15,470
- This was when youwere really writing
1321
01:19:15,472 --> 01:19:16,571
about a lot of that music
1322
01:19:16,573 --> 01:19:18,039
during that time.
1323
01:19:18,041 --> 01:19:21,776
- Right, la hip hop was great,but nobody ever heard it.
1324
01:19:21,778 --> 01:19:24,278
Everybody just heardthe New York stuff
1325
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,813
and dre was the guywho figured out
1326
01:19:26,815 --> 01:19:29,115
how to slow it down,made it gangsta.
1327
01:19:29,117 --> 01:19:31,717
Chronic, I think was the total
breakthrough album.
1328
01:19:31,719 --> 01:19:34,352
It crossed overto the bouncing carsto the hanging out
1329
01:19:34,354 --> 01:19:35,820
and barbequing in the park.
1330
01:19:35,822 --> 01:19:37,321
It was lessabout bang bang bang
1331
01:19:37,323 --> 01:19:39,823
and it was more about,this is the neighborhood
1332
01:19:39,825 --> 01:19:42,091
you live inand you're enjoying it
1333
01:19:42,093 --> 01:19:44,726
and ya'll are invitedto the party
1334
01:19:44,728 --> 01:19:46,894
and there's something beautiful
about that.
1335
01:19:46,896 --> 01:19:49,162
♪ It's like this and like that
and like this and uh ♪
1336
01:19:49,164 --> 01:19:51,430
♪ dre creep to the mic
like a phantom ♪
1337
01:19:51,432 --> 01:19:53,999
♪ well I'm peepin' and I'm
creepin' and I'm creep-in' ♪
1338
01:19:54,001 --> 01:19:56,501
♪ but I damn near got caught
'cause my beeper kept beepin' ♪
1339
01:19:56,503 --> 01:19:58,836
♪ now it's time for me
to make my impression felt ♪
1340
01:19:58,838 --> 01:20:01,538
♪ so sit back relax
and strap on your seat belt ♪
1341
01:20:03,407 --> 01:20:06,041
- You know,after the Los Angeles riots
1342
01:20:06,043 --> 01:20:07,475
there was a lotof hand wringing
1343
01:20:07,477 --> 01:20:10,444
about what had gone wrongin this city
1344
01:20:10,446 --> 01:20:14,247
and there was a movement
to like get to know
1345
01:20:14,249 --> 01:20:16,349
who your neighbors are
1346
01:20:16,351 --> 01:20:19,352
but long before the riotsand after Jonathan gold
1347
01:20:19,354 --> 01:20:24,123
was introducing us to peopleand to neighborhoods.
1348
01:20:28,694 --> 01:20:32,663
- There's a certain level ofutopian thinking in his work.
1349
01:20:32,665 --> 01:20:34,631
There's a certain levelof dedication
1350
01:20:34,633 --> 01:20:37,533
to asking the question
how we live.
1351
01:20:37,535 --> 01:20:39,801
He talks aboutthe miscegenation
1352
01:20:39,803 --> 01:20:43,904
between races in essenceappearing over the table.
1353
01:20:43,906 --> 01:20:47,607
Those food nationsbecome an integral part
1354
01:20:47,609 --> 01:20:50,142
of the way he sees Los Angeles
1355
01:20:50,144 --> 01:20:52,677
in a way
Los Angeles comes together.
1356
01:20:52,679 --> 01:20:55,146
♪ It's like this and like that
and like this and uh ♪
1357
01:20:55,148 --> 01:20:57,581
♪ it's like that and like this
and like that and uh ♪
1358
01:20:57,583 --> 01:21:00,150
♪ it's like this and we ain't
got no love for those ♪
1359
01:21:00,152 --> 01:21:03,586
♪ so just chill
till the next episode ♪
1360
01:21:30,945 --> 01:21:32,912
- There's so many differentways to tell stories
1361
01:21:32,914 --> 01:21:36,949
about Los Angeles, and
of course, uh, telling stories
1362
01:21:36,951 --> 01:21:40,552
through food is one of the ways
Jonathan gold does that.
1363
01:21:40,554 --> 01:21:43,755
Um, and the piece
he's going to read
1364
01:21:43,757 --> 01:21:46,491
represents another wayof talking about Los Angeles
1365
01:21:46,493 --> 01:21:49,227
in a moment when, um,
the fabric of the city
1366
01:21:49,229 --> 01:21:52,263
kind of looked like
it wasn't going to hold.
1367
01:21:52,265 --> 01:21:54,198
So, Jonathan.
1368
01:22:00,404 --> 01:22:05,173
- This is an older essay
written, uh, the week
1369
01:22:05,175 --> 01:22:11,946
after the, um,
the riots in 1992
1370
01:22:11,948 --> 01:22:16,483
and...It..
1371
01:22:16,485 --> 01:22:20,220
Well, I'll, I'll, I'll read
and you can, you can hear.
1372
01:22:20,222 --> 01:22:27,026
Um, I can't tell you
how much I love Los Angeles.
1373
01:22:27,028 --> 01:22:31,630
"It is 8 o'clock and the light
has started to fade
1374
01:22:31,632 --> 01:22:34,165
"as I sit on the floorof my apartment
1375
01:22:34,167 --> 01:22:38,068
"staring at the spot wherethe rain not so much dripped
1376
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:40,203
"as oozed from the door jam.
1377
01:22:41,939 --> 01:22:43,339
"For the last decade or so
1378
01:22:43,341 --> 01:22:45,341
"i have livedin a creaking apartment
1379
01:22:45,343 --> 01:22:46,775
"probably swank in its day
1380
01:22:46,777 --> 01:22:49,110
"that has beenhome to a dog trainer
1381
01:22:49,112 --> 01:22:51,612
"a fiddle playerand a series of writers
1382
01:22:51,614 --> 01:22:54,581
"in a smartly column building
in an aging neighborhood
1383
01:22:54,583 --> 01:22:58,651
"nobody has yet
bothered to name.
1384
01:22:58,653 --> 01:23:02,754
"Downstairs a babycries out in Spanish
1385
01:23:02,756 --> 01:23:04,288
"in the distancethe ghetto boys
1386
01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:06,056
"boom from a passing truck.
1387
01:23:07,591 --> 01:23:09,825
"For the fifth time,in about an hour
1388
01:23:09,827 --> 01:23:12,060
"i think aboutthe other parts of town
1389
01:23:12,062 --> 01:23:15,063
"the ones with croissant shops
on the street corners
1390
01:23:15,065 --> 01:23:17,231
"and air conditionedshopping malls
1391
01:23:17,233 --> 01:23:19,499
"and neighbors who look like me.
1392
01:23:21,535 --> 01:23:24,703
"Before the fires of April,there were 14 different kinds
1393
01:23:24,705 --> 01:23:27,672
"of ethnic restaurantswithin a 5 minute walk.
1394
01:23:27,674 --> 01:23:30,407
"Now, there are just 10.
1395
01:23:32,042 --> 01:23:35,377
"For a while, everythingin the neighborhood
1396
01:23:35,379 --> 01:23:38,046
"seemed just a little moreominous.
1397
01:23:38,048 --> 01:23:40,948
"The Saturday night gunshotsa little louder.
1398
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:44,017
"The omnipresent sirensand helicopters
1399
01:23:44,019 --> 01:23:46,120
"a little closer to home.
1400
01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:51,224
"When you spend some timein my neighborhood
1401
01:23:51,226 --> 01:23:52,625
"you'll learn the rhythmof the place.
1402
01:23:52,627 --> 01:23:54,460
"The mornings when theMexican's food truck
1403
01:23:54,462 --> 01:23:55,594
"shows up on the corner.
1404
01:23:55,596 --> 01:23:57,495
"The hour when Filipinoteenagers
1405
01:23:57,497 --> 01:24:01,832
"snack on liver buns andCoca-Cola at the pancit shop.
1406
01:24:01,834 --> 01:24:04,501
"The peaceful timein late afternoon
1407
01:24:04,503 --> 01:24:07,470
"when the Avenueflows majestically.
1408
01:24:08,805 --> 01:24:11,139
"Guatemalan women walk homefrom Ralph's
1409
01:24:11,141 --> 01:24:12,607
"with bags of groceries
1410
01:24:12,609 --> 01:24:15,276
"balanced expertlyon their heads.
1411
01:24:15,278 --> 01:24:17,177
"Salvadoran constructionworkers crowd
1412
01:24:17,179 --> 01:24:19,012
"into the local Koreannoodle shop
1413
01:24:19,014 --> 01:24:21,981
"for steamed dumplings.
1414
01:24:21,983 --> 01:24:26,318
"In this neighborhood, most of
us are just passing through.
1415
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,620
"Transients on our wayto more permanent homes
1416
01:24:28,622 --> 01:24:30,922
"in long beachor huntington park.
1417
01:24:30,924 --> 01:24:33,424
"We are all citizensof the world.
1418
01:24:33,426 --> 01:24:36,026
"We are allstrangers together.
1419
01:24:37,561 --> 01:24:41,930
"But to my Korean landlords,this neighborhood is home.
1420
01:24:41,932 --> 01:24:43,531
"I have been awakenedbefore dawn
1421
01:24:43,533 --> 01:24:45,666
"by the rhythmic thudof their pounding garlic
1422
01:24:45,668 --> 01:24:48,769
"into paste on the back porch.
1423
01:24:48,771 --> 01:24:51,638
"I've stumbled out the doorwith an armful of wet laundry
1424
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,506
"only to findall of the clotheslines
1425
01:24:53,508 --> 01:24:56,141
"taken up by drying fish.
1426
01:24:56,143 --> 01:24:59,110
"I've also come home from work
to find the back stairs spread
1427
01:24:59,112 --> 01:25:02,613
"with leaves of cabbage,curing in the hot sun.
1428
01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:10,252
"Even when their son was shot
1429
01:25:10,254 --> 01:25:12,354
"a half mile south of here
1430
01:25:12,356 --> 01:25:16,591
"there was questioningof their sense of place.
1431
01:25:16,593 --> 01:25:21,328
"The landlords keep
to themselves and so do I.
1432
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:27,233
I often wish that they would
invite me over for dinner."
1433
01:25:27,235 --> 01:25:28,434
Thanks.
1434
01:26:24,785 --> 01:26:26,485
- Alright, man, you broughtsome Louis Armstrong.
1435
01:26:26,487 --> 01:26:27,819
We gotta talk about Louis.
1436
01:26:27,821 --> 01:26:29,387
Uh, "tight like this," why did
you choose this track?
1437
01:26:29,389 --> 01:26:31,355
- I think it's by the bestdriving music there is.
1438
01:26:31,357 --> 01:26:33,190
♪ Oh it's tight like this
1439
01:26:33,192 --> 01:26:35,158
♪ no it ain't tight
like that either ♪
1440
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,093
♪ I said it is tight like this
1441
01:26:37,095 --> 01:26:39,695
♪ let it be tight
like that then ♪
1442
01:28:21,497 --> 01:28:23,297
♪ oh it's tight
like that Louis ♪
1443
01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:58,798
♪ oh it's tight like this
1444
01:29:34,667 --> 01:29:36,701
♪ now it closes like that
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