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[dramatic music]
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male narrator: One of the most
powerful men on Earth
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holds a position
that has existed
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for nearly 2,000 years.
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As the world changes
and faith evolves,
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his authority remains.
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What began with one apostle
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has become
1.2 billion followers
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under one man.
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He is the head
of the Catholic Church,
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the pope,
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and this is his path to power.
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In this episode,
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what happens
when the pope threatens
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a 2,000-year-old tradition...
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leaving two men at the helm
of one divine office
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for the first time
in over 500 years?
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- We're following
breaking news this morning.
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Pope Benedict XVI
has announced he is resigning.
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- For the first time
in 600 years,
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a pope is retiring.
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- I was astonished
when Benedict resigned.
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It came completely
out of the blue.
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- Benedict's resignation was
an amazing thing.
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narrator:
In the last 2,000 years,
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only four other popes
have resigned.
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- It was wonderfully,
comically announced.
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He announced it
at a papal audience in Latin,
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and you had to see,
all around the room,
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anyone who understood
what he was saying.
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It was an astonishing thing
to do.
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- It raises so many questions.
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You know, what happens now?
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narrator: Two weeks after
Benedict XVI's resignation,
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Pope Francis is elected,
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and the papal crown is handed
from one man to the other.
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- We have two popes,
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but only one is the pope.
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The problem
with having two popes
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is that you have to decide
who do you listen to?
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- Benedict was 85
when he resigned.
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He inherited
the financial mess.
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He inherited the mess
of sexual abuse.
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He inherited
the administrative chaos.
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Benedict resigned
because he realized
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that these problems were simply
too great for him.
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- It's not like other
human institutions.
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It's created, we believe,
by God,
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and this man is resigning
from all of that.
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That not what popes
are supposed to do.
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narrator:
For 2,000 years,
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the legacy of St. Peter
has been a divine office
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passed down from one pope
to the next.
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But can two men
hold a legitimate claim
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to one godly office?
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- It's left us
with this situation
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of a pope and an extra pope,
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and that's always
going to change
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the nature of an institution.
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Who's the real pope?
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narrator: In 2013,
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millions of people watch
as Benedict XVI
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peacefully hands the papacy
over to Pope Francis.
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But in the past,
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two living men
with claim to one legacy
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has resulted in nothing
but chaos.
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- In the 10th
and 11th centuries,
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if you've got two popes,
you've got two factions.
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It's a--
an extraordinary episode.
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- Benedict IX was a teenager.
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He was
the most eligible member
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of the powerful Roman family
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that ruled the city of Rome.
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They wanted him to be pope
for their own financial gain,
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their own territorial
supremacy.
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- The papacy
was the legal center
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of the Western world.
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If a king needed
a dispensation
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to marry his brother's wife,
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if people wanted to take
possession of a local parish,
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they would have to get
permission, pay a fee.
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At Rome,
you are enormously powerful.
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Immense responsibility.
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narrator:
But 19-year-old Benedict
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has no interest in bureaucracy
or public service.
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He is only interested
in the privileges of power.
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- Benedict is someone
who was clearly made pope
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in order to enrich his family.
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On the secular side,
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not someone who had any sort
of spiritual authority,
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even spiritual training.
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- Nepotism tended to produce
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a group of wealthy parasites
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who lived like grandees,
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who were also clergy.
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- He was incompetent.
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He was morally compromised
in many ways.
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- Benedict was up to his neck
in robbery and murder.
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He was using his position
to gain wealth
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at the expense
of the people of Rome.
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narrator:
By the year 1044,
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the cardinals are fed up.
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They decide the church needs
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a real spiritual
and political leader.
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Something must be done.
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- The holiest priest in Rome
came to him and said,
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"You need to step down
for the good of the church.
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What can I give you?"
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And made him
some sort of offering.
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- Benedict IX sold the papacy.
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- Which, of course,
is against the canons.
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narrator:
In the 11th century,
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conclaves had not yet
been invented.
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Popes were often chosen
by brute force
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or nepotism.
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- Buying church power
was considered
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one of the worst sins
there was.
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So the fact that he had
actually sold the papacy
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in return for money
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was appalling to everyone.
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narrator: For the first time
in recorded history,
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a pope resigns
in exchange for money,
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which catapults the papacy
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into the world
of dirty politics.
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- The papacy becomes a pawn
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in the politics
of central Italy.
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narrator:
But though the young pope
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accepts the cardinal's bribe,
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this will not be the last
the world hears
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of Benedict IX.
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narrator: In 1044,
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after eight years
of desecrating the papacy,
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young Pope Benedict IX
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accepts the cardinal's bribe
to resign.
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- They ganged up together
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and drove Benedict out
of the city.
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The Roman people
picked a new pope,
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and he took the name
Sylvester III.
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narrator: Just weeks after
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handing the papacy over
to Sylvester,
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the former Pope Benedict IX
and his family decide
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they want the throne back.
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- And the awkward thing now
is that there were two popes,
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and both of them were claiming
to be the heir of St. Peter.
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Benedict, however,
had a wealthier family
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than Sylvester,
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and so his family
rallied behind him,
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gave him an army.
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He marched back into Rome,
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and he drove
Sylvester III out.
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- You find yourself bewildered
by this.
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I mean, it's so far
from the apostles
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or how any Christian leader
should be,
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but that was the way
the church was.
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And it's about
spiritual power
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uncomfortably mixed
with worldly power.
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narrator:
Six months after accepting
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the cardinal's bribe
to resign,
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Benedict IX is reinstated
as pope.
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- Now their positions
had reversed.
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Benedict is in Rome,
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and Sylvester III
is in exile,
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but they're both still claiming
to be pope.
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- Benedict IX was the first
pope that comes back,
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and they have to decide, well,
who's the real pope now?
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narrator:
With Rome's allegiances split
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between Benedict
and Sylvester,
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the church faces a crisis
of faith.
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How does one decide who holds
the legacy of St. Peter?
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The Romans will not have long
to figure it out.
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Only one month into
Benedict IX's second papacy,
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he complicates the matter
even further.
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- Benedict, then, in the way
of impetuous young men--
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he decided he didn't want
to be pope anymore.
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He'd had enough.
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He wanted to get married.
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He handed the papacy
over to his godfather,
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and he became Pope Gregory VI.
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Then the really scandalous
thing happened.
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Benedict's lady love decided
not to marry him after all,
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and he decided he wanted
the papacy back.
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Gregory VI said,
"No, I'm pope."
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Sylvester III, who's still
in the village outside,
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probably said,
"Don't forget about me."
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So now we actually have
three popes.
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We have three popes,
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and there is no one
to declare
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which one is
the most legitimate.
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narrator:
Benedict's, Sylvester's,
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and Gregory's factions
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all fight in the streets
of Rome
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over who is the rightful heir
to the papal throne,
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and in the end,
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Benedict IX's wealthy family
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wins again.
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- Benedict was pope
three times in the end.
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narrator:
After Benedict's reign
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sends the church
into a tailspin,
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the spiritual foundation
of the papacy
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has been shattered.
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- All of this becomes
a real problem for the church,
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and you've got to
sort that out.
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narrator:
In July of 1048,
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Benedict IX
is officially ousted
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once and for all.
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The cardinals decide
the fairest way
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to consolidate papal power
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is to ignore Sylvester
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and Gregory's claims
to the throne,
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clear the decks,
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and elect a new pope.
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- One of the problems
in the 11th century
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was that there was no clear way
of choosing a pope.
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It was a matter of,
frequently,
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murder...
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Bribery,
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and also relationship.
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The sons of popes
sometimes became popes.
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Choosing a pope,
it's very confused,
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and it's never a pretty sight.
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- It's very clear
that the office of the papacy
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can belong to whoever has
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the most military might
to enforce it.
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narrator:
The cardinals realize
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they must solidify rules
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for papal elections.
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They convene in an effort
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to solve this problem
once and for all,
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and the result
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becomes one of the most
iconic symbols of the papacy.
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- In the 12th century,
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cardinals who were
senior clergy in Rome
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made what they called
a college, and after that,
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cardinals would choose a pope
in public,
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so that sort of
regularized things,
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but of course,
you can always twist elections.
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narrator:
After nearly 200 years
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of corrupt public elections,
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what is known today
as the conclave is designed.
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The word "conclave,"
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a Latin term meaning
"with a key,"
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signifies that the cardinals
are locked in
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to avoid the interference
of outside politics.
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As of 1274,
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papal elections
are held in secret.
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- The cardinals would be
cut off from the world,
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enclosed,
make their votes, vote again.
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There would be that famous
white smoke at the end.
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narrator:
For the last 700 years,
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papal elections have been held
the same way.
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Cardinals are locked
in the Vatican
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and vote again and again
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until a 2/3 majority
is achieved.
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- And each round of balloting
is burned
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so that nobody can see
who voted for whom.
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That's what generates
the smoke.
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narrator:
In the Middle Ages,
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cardinals added a damp straw
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to the burning ballots
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to create the black smoke,
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signifying that no pope
has been chosen.
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The white smoke
that hails a new pope
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was made by burning
the paper alone.
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Today, chemical compounds
are added to the ballots
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to color the smoke.
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Modern conclaves usually only
last for a few days...
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But in the 13th century,
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they could go on for months.
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- In the 13th century,
bribery would be involved,
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the rivalries of kings.
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People were basically
stonewalling,
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filibustering.
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narrator: In 1292,
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the cardinals assemble
to elect a new pope,
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but warring factions
cannot reach the 2/3 majority,
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and the conclave goes on
for a full two years.
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- Without the pope,
Rome was a mess.
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Marauders and robber gangs
wanted to dominate the city
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and to a great extent did
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without the pope functioning
as a--
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as a sort of local king.
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narrator:
With Rome in shambles
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and no end to the conclave
in sight,
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it looks as if the resignation
of one teenage pope
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may have unraveled
St. Peter's legacy for good.
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[dramatic music]
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narrator: In 1294,
the cardinals are determined
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to renew the spiritual
supremacy of the papacy
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by electing a pope
through the proper channels.
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Warring factions
are deadlocked,
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which has left Rome
without a leader
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and in dire shape.
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Frustrated by the delay
and state of Rome,
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a hermit monk named
Pietro Angelerio
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writes to the conclave.
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- He was an example
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of these kinds of crazy guys
who live up a mountain
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and live on beans,
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and read nothing but
the Gospel.
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narrator:
Angelerio warns the cardinals
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that vengeance will fall
on them
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if they continue
the stalemate.
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Taking his letter
as a divine sign,
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the cardinals decide
to elect him pope.
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- In the 13th century,
you had a great succession
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of reforming popes.
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Politicians thought that this
is not how a pope should be.
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So what they did
was elect a pope
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who was as unworldly as you
could possibly hope for:
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a hermit.
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And they called him Celestine,
the--
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the heavenly one.
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- Celestine V does not want
to be pope.
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He'd rather be praying
off alone by himself,
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and he goes to do this papacy
rather reluctantly.
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- It's not super clear
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that he even exactly knew
what was going on.
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It's not clear how sharp
mentally he was.
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- Celestine V
was just hopeless.
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He couldn't run the church
at all.
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narrator: After only
five months in office,
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Celestine V announces
his retirement.
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- And during that five months,
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the French crown
manipulated him
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to get all sorts of concessions
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and control over more power,
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and the Roman contingent
in the college of cardinals
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became increasingly alarmed.
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He was helped to retire
by his successor,
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who was a pro-Roman pope,
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Boniface VIII.
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It was said that he whispered
through a hole
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in the pope's cell
where he prayed,
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and that he said he was
the voice of God
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and told the pope to resign
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so that he could be
elected pope in his stead.
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- He made a vow
to become a monk
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and simply living
in retirement
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for the good of his health,
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the only pope
who ever voluntarily did
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before Benedict XVI.
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- A couple of years before
Pope Benedict XVI resigns,
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Pope Benedict took a trip,
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and he laid his pallium
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on the grave of Celestine V.
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People didn't know it
at the time,
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but that might have been
a signal,
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because a year and a half
later,
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he too would resign his papacy.
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narrator: But despite
the peaceful nature
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in which Celestine V resigns,
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and because of the violence
and instability
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surrounding the resignation
of Benedict IX
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250 years earlier,
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the new pope must make sure
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that Celestine
is never heard from again.
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- After Celestine retired
and Boniface became the pope,
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he felt that it was dangerous
to have two living popes.
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- You can't have another pope
knocking about
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and threatening the pope.
406
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[horse neighing]
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- [grunts]
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narrator: Immediately after
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00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:34,408
Celestine leaves the Vatican,
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Boniface has him attacked
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and locked up.
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413
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- He didn't want Celestine
talking to anybody.
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He didn't want him to be able
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to communicate
with his supporters,
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so essentially put him
under house arrest
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in order to protect
his own legitimacy as pope.
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- And so Celestine dies
in captivity.
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narrator:
In the 13th century, however,
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a retired pope
is not the only threat
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to a sitting pope's power.
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In a time when the lines
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between church and state
are fluid,
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kings are just as threatening
to papal power
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as previous popes.
427
00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:29,289
- There was always
a bit of a problem
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as to who was in charge.
429
00:20:30,929 --> 00:20:32,399
Was it the king,
430
00:20:32,464 --> 00:20:34,104
or was it the pope?
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- So much of the maneuvering
and back-and-forthing
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and jousting that goes on
with the papacy
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has to do with the fact
that it was in Italy.
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Italy is not a country yet.
436
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Italy is basically
up for grabs.
437
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The Normans grab part of it.
438
00:20:52,651 --> 00:20:53,751
The Franks grab part of it.
439
00:20:53,819 --> 00:20:55,319
The Germans grab part of it.
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Italy is always contested,
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so if you're gonna control
any major part of Italy,
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you have to get the pope
on your side.
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00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:07,171
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00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,166
- You want to raise an army?
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00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,998
You need the pope's blessing.
446
00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:12,673
narrator:
Because of the volatile nature
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of medieval European politics,
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the papacy becomes dependent
on the surrounding monarchies
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for stability,
and vice versa.
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00:21:23,081 --> 00:21:25,021
- The pope didn't have
an army.
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He didn't have anything
other than moral persuasion
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on his side,
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and so what we see
the early popes doing
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are making these alliances
with different secular leaders.
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narrator: At the end
of the 13th century,
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the most powerful monarch
in Europe
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is King Philip IV of France.
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He had manipulated
Pope Celestine
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into siphoning him
church money and land.
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But after
Celestine's resignation,
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the new pope
Boniface VIII
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is not so easily manipulated.
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- When Boniface VIII
became pope,
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he saw the French influence
as something that had gone
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way, way out of bounds,
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and so he positioned himself
essentially
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as the anti-France pope.
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So Philip IV and Boniface
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had this very real clash
of powers.
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Boniface began to generate
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some very,
very harsh language
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about the power of the papacy.
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Here's a letter that he wrote
to Philip IV of France.
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He said, "Listen, son."
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Literally,
that's how he begins it.
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"Son,
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"God has set us over kings
and kingdoms.
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Let no one persuade you
that you have superiority."
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So it is this
very explicit language
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that says, the pope has control
over the king.
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narrator: But King Philip
has an agenda,
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and he does not intend
to let one insubordinate pope
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stand in his way.
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♪ ♪
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[dramatic music]
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narrator:
After the resignation
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of his puppet Pope Celestine V
in 1294,
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King Philip IV of France
is determined
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to reassert his power
over the papacy.
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00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:20,633
But the new pope
Boniface VIII
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refuses to give in
to the greedy monarch.
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- Philip IV
comes to the throne
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at a time in which warfare
is being fought
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by purchasing armies,
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and he, like other monarchs,
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00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:35,406
needs more and more money.
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- And the church
is very wealthy.
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♪ ♪
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narrator:
So when Boniface dies,
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King Philip ensures
that a pope
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who will give him
what he wants
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is elected.
505
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- He expressed very clearly
to the college of cardinals
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that he preferred this
particular French candidate.
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♪ ♪
508
00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,336
It wasn't an easy election...
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But ultimately the French side
was strong enough to win.
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00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,847
- A French prelate
who takes the name Clement V
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becomes the pope.
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♪ ♪
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Philip actually asks them
to come to France
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to crown him pope.
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00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:20,590
♪ ♪
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00:24:20,659 --> 00:24:24,859
- The popes, of course,
had been appointed in Rome
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from the time of St. Peter.
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00:24:26,865 --> 00:24:29,525
- King Philip of France
has a very powerful hold
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on Pope Clement V.
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This is a weak man,
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and he's intimidated by Philip.
522
00:24:35,674 --> 00:24:37,044
- Clement's just notorious.
523
00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:39,142
He just did
whatever he was asked.
524
00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:42,552
Clement V
actually promised Philip
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a flat-out portion
of the church tithe,
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that it just went straight
into the royal coffers.
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He also signed off
on the expulsion of Jews
528
00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:53,192
as a danger to the church,
529
00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:55,061
in knowledge that the wealth
530
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,630
was going to go to Philip.
531
00:24:57,696 --> 00:24:59,396
That's very blatant.
532
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,468
♪ ♪
533
00:25:02,534 --> 00:25:03,974
narrator: By 1309,
534
00:25:04,035 --> 00:25:06,365
King Philip
has turned Pope Clement V
535
00:25:06,471 --> 00:25:09,011
into a pawn
of the French crown,
536
00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:14,084
and in an attempt to solidify
his power over the church,
537
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,149
the French king
lays the groundwork
538
00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:19,754
for what will be the papacy's
most notorious resignation
539
00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:22,921
by undermining
its very foundation.
540
00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:26,891
♪ ♪
541
00:25:26,992 --> 00:25:29,662
- Peter is buried
on the Vatican hill,
542
00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:33,198
and St. Peter's Basilica
is built over his tomb.
543
00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:35,195
♪ ♪
544
00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:38,197
Popes are seen
as inheriting that charisma
545
00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:39,500
and that role,
546
00:25:39,571 --> 00:25:41,611
standing in for the apostle.
547
00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:46,684
His tomb is the foundation
charter for the papacy.
548
00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:49,005
♪ ♪
549
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,180
narrator: But King Philip
demands that Pope Clement
550
00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,919
leave the legacy
of St. Peter in Rome
551
00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:57,359
and move the papacy to operate
under his thumb
552
00:25:57,422 --> 00:25:58,892
in France.
553
00:25:58,957 --> 00:26:02,457
♪ ♪
554
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,061
- The pope eventually
will end up
555
00:26:04,129 --> 00:26:06,229
setting up quarters
at Avignon.
556
00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:08,628
♪ ♪
557
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:10,573
- Rather than being
in a landscape
558
00:26:10,635 --> 00:26:13,065
where the pope
could actually act
559
00:26:13,138 --> 00:26:14,538
as an independent power
560
00:26:14,606 --> 00:26:17,806
and make alliances with anyone
that he chose,
561
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:20,379
he was now firmly entrenched
in one country,
562
00:26:20,445 --> 00:26:23,445
clearly under the control
of one king.
563
00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:27,319
That was what warped
the papacy.
564
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:29,149
It's a little bit
as though Washington, D.C.
565
00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:30,624
suddenly upped and said,
566
00:26:30,722 --> 00:26:32,322
"Well, now Manhattan
is gonna be the capital
567
00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,634
of the entire United States."
568
00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:36,126
narrator:
For the first time
569
00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:38,297
since the invention
of the conclave,
570
00:26:38,396 --> 00:26:40,926
the one with true power
over the church
571
00:26:40,999 --> 00:26:44,169
is not the one chosen by God
572
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:47,469
but a power-hungry monarch
instead.
573
00:26:47,572 --> 00:26:49,772
- It's the dream
of all the great rulers
574
00:26:49,841 --> 00:26:52,811
of medieval Europe
to control the papacy.
575
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:58,319
Philip actually got the papacy
into France.
576
00:26:58,416 --> 00:27:00,646
Once you've done that,
577
00:27:00,752 --> 00:27:02,192
the pope can become a puppet
578
00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:04,857
of what you want to get done.
579
00:27:04,956 --> 00:27:06,516
♪ ♪
580
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,085
- That is a moment
for the church
581
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:09,959
that becomes very troubling.
582
00:27:10,028 --> 00:27:11,598
You're abdicating the seat
583
00:27:11,663 --> 00:27:13,603
of where the church
is supposed to lie.
584
00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:16,025
You leave the bones of Peter
behind,
585
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:17,374
and you're not moving them.
586
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:18,799
You're moving
to this other place.
587
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:20,710
What you're saying is,
is that maybe
588
00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:22,805
this isn't as important
to the church
589
00:27:22,874 --> 00:27:24,714
as we have thought it was
previously.
590
00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:29,311
And that becomes
a really dangerous situation
591
00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:31,521
for holding together
not just the papacy
592
00:27:31,616 --> 00:27:34,716
but holding together beliefs
and tenets of the church.
593
00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:36,789
narrator: Leaving Rome
costs the papacy
594
00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:39,355
its religious authority
throughout Europe.
595
00:27:39,457 --> 00:27:41,227
♪ ♪
596
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:44,556
But once the church becomes
established in France,
597
00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,833
Pope Clement V finds
that despite
598
00:27:46,898 --> 00:27:49,968
being hundreds of miles
from the bones of St. Peter,
599
00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:54,235
there are certain benefits
to the new location.
600
00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:56,009
- It was very clearly a time
601
00:27:56,074 --> 00:27:59,844
when they had given up
their spiritual authority
602
00:27:59,911 --> 00:28:02,411
in order to enjoy
material prosperity.
603
00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:04,154
The college of cardinals,
604
00:28:04,215 --> 00:28:07,085
which also became centered
at Avignon after this,
605
00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:10,715
was absolutely notorious
for luxurious living
606
00:28:10,822 --> 00:28:13,162
and for having banquets
that went on for days
607
00:28:13,224 --> 00:28:14,764
and for spending church money
608
00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:18,159
in order to take care
of themselves.
609
00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:22,267
- But the Avignon papacy
worked.
610
00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,267
It's in southern France.
611
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,539
It's much more central
to Europe
612
00:28:26,604 --> 00:28:29,014
than the Italian peninsula.
613
00:28:29,074 --> 00:28:32,214
It was efficient.
It had a decent bureaucracy.
614
00:28:32,277 --> 00:28:36,547
There was actually a good case
for the Avignon papacy.
615
00:28:36,614 --> 00:28:37,724
Big problem, though:
616
00:28:37,782 --> 00:28:40,622
it doesn't have the tomb
of Peter,
617
00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:43,019
and what's the point of a pope
618
00:28:43,088 --> 00:28:45,618
who doesn't sit at the tomb
of Peter?
619
00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:47,264
♪ ♪
620
00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:48,958
narrator:
Despite being miles
621
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,260
from the spiritual foundation
of the papacy,
622
00:28:52,363 --> 00:28:54,573
Pope Clement V remains
in France
623
00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:57,542
and continues to lead
the church under King Philip
624
00:28:57,602 --> 00:29:00,372
until they both die in 1314.
625
00:29:00,438 --> 00:29:03,638
♪ ♪
626
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,952
His successor continues
his papacy in Avignon,
627
00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:09,475
as does the pope after him.
628
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:11,651
- The papacy was
more or less captured
629
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,320
by the king of France.
630
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:14,988
For a long period of time,
631
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,216
it was completely
the instrument
632
00:29:17,288 --> 00:29:18,888
of the French crown,
633
00:29:18,957 --> 00:29:21,827
and almost every cardinal
who was appointed
634
00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:24,156
to the college of cardinals
during this time
635
00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:26,462
was French.
636
00:29:26,564 --> 00:29:28,004
narrator: By 1347,
637
00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:30,169
it appears that the papacy
has become
638
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:33,398
an arm of the French crown
for good.
639
00:29:33,471 --> 00:29:38,411
♪ ♪
640
00:29:40,745 --> 00:29:44,345
[dramatic music]
641
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,419
narrator: In the mid-1360s,
642
00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:48,094
the papacy has left Rome
643
00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:50,423
and been operating
in Avignon, France,
644
00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:52,288
for almost 60 years.
645
00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:54,857
♪ ♪
646
00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:58,259
At this point, the cardinals
are almost all French
647
00:29:58,329 --> 00:30:01,329
and have become accustomed
to the luxurious lifestyle
648
00:30:01,432 --> 00:30:03,272
afforded to them
as a thank-you
649
00:30:03,334 --> 00:30:06,544
for the church's loyalty
to the French crown.
650
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:09,438
But outside the walls
of the lush papal castle...
651
00:30:09,507 --> 00:30:11,977
♪ ♪
652
00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:14,383
The rest of Europe
is a wasteland,
653
00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:16,049
setting the stage
for what will be
654
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:20,187
the last papal resignation
for 600 years.
655
00:30:21,219 --> 00:30:22,289
- The black death.
656
00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:26,293
This contagious,
dreadful disease
657
00:30:26,357 --> 00:30:27,657
devastated Europe.
658
00:30:27,725 --> 00:30:30,955
♪ ♪
659
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:33,699
- Pretty much the entire
population was wiped out.
660
00:30:33,798 --> 00:30:35,398
♪ ♪
661
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,400
narrator: In the wake
of the plague,
662
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:40,972
the papacy is forced to
reevaluate its role in Europe
663
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,339
and face dire conditions
in the city it abandoned.
664
00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:46,409
♪ ♪
665
00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,681
- With the absence
of the papacy from Rome,
666
00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:51,716
the upkeep of the city
began to fail.
667
00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:53,416
A great deal of the upkeep
of Rome
668
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,748
came out of the pope's coffers.
669
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,693
Now this was all going
to France.
670
00:30:57,755 --> 00:31:00,585
Law and order became very,
very shaky.
671
00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:03,762
You have a rise in pickpockets
and muggings,
672
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,262
because there is no king
in Rome,
673
00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:06,533
there is no emperor in Rome,
674
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:08,028
and now there's no pope
in Rome.
675
00:31:08,099 --> 00:31:11,599
- The Romans learned,
somewhat reluctantly,
676
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:15,173
that the city depended
on the presence of the papacy
677
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,710
to flourish,
678
00:31:16,774 --> 00:31:20,114
to become anything more
than just a bit of a wreck.
679
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:23,109
narrator: Fed up
with the sheltered confines
680
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:24,854
of Avignon,
681
00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:26,546
Pope Urban V decides
682
00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:29,888
that the papacy has lost sight
of its spiritual purpose
683
00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:33,024
and must return to the bones
of St. Peter in Rome.
684
00:31:33,091 --> 00:31:40,371
♪ ♪
685
00:31:40,431 --> 00:31:43,031
- Urban V,
a reform-minded pope,
686
00:31:43,101 --> 00:31:44,741
is appalled by the luxury.
687
00:31:44,802 --> 00:31:46,142
He was appalled
688
00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:48,237
by the self-indulgence
in Avignon.
689
00:31:48,306 --> 00:31:49,906
He announced to the cardinals
690
00:31:49,974 --> 00:31:51,614
that they could only have
one course at dinner
691
00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:53,649
rather than their usual
ten-course banquet.
692
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,475
And it had increasingly
become clear
693
00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:57,821
that as long as the papacy
694
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,946
was tied to the fortunes
of any country
695
00:32:02,053 --> 00:32:04,263
that the ability to act
as a spiritual leader
696
00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:05,962
would be seriously compromised.
697
00:32:06,057 --> 00:32:08,327
He was convicted
that the papacy needed
698
00:32:08,426 --> 00:32:10,326
to return to its home
in Rome...
699
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:13,766
But it's not
an easy transition.
700
00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:16,501
♪ ♪
701
00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:18,241
narrator: The cardinals,
who had become
702
00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:20,943
used to their indulgent
lifestyle in Avignon,
703
00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:23,465
did not appreciate
the rundown conditions
704
00:32:23,574 --> 00:32:25,484
of the fallen city.
705
00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:29,111
But Pope Urban V
and his successor,
706
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:31,850
another Frenchman,
Gregory XI,
707
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,320
remained firm in their
spiritual conviction
708
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:37,689
that the papacy belongs
at the tomb of St. Peter.
709
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,459
- There is a lot of resentment
710
00:32:39,524 --> 00:32:42,364
about their having to sort of
come down in the world,
711
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,030
which I think just shows
712
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,498
what a cushioned,
isolated existence
713
00:32:46,597 --> 00:32:48,197
they were living in Avignon.
714
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:51,999
That you have a Europe that's
been devastated by the plague,
715
00:32:52,103 --> 00:32:53,603
that the entire
social structure
716
00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:54,711
of Europe has changed,
717
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:55,866
that in some places
718
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,984
90% of the population
has died,
719
00:32:58,042 --> 00:33:00,482
but the primary concern
of the college of cardinals
720
00:33:00,545 --> 00:33:03,145
is that they're not getting
enough courses for dinner.
721
00:33:03,214 --> 00:33:05,184
So you definitely
have a sense in which
722
00:33:05,283 --> 00:33:06,523
during the Avignon papacy,
723
00:33:06,617 --> 00:33:09,047
it has gotten so out of touch
724
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,723
with what the church
is supposed to be doing.
725
00:33:14,158 --> 00:33:18,228
narrator: When Pope Gregory XI
dies in 1378,
726
00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:22,229
many of the cardinals prepare
to move back to Avignon,
727
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:24,573
but the frustrated Romans
call for a sign
728
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:28,509
that the papacy has freed
itself from the French crown
729
00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:31,083
and will return to
the principles of the church
730
00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:33,305
they once knew.
731
00:33:33,378 --> 00:33:36,878
♪ ♪
732
00:33:36,981 --> 00:33:40,221
- The Roman population,
who were always very volatile
733
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:44,318
and who regularly intervened
in papal elections,
734
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:47,059
after a long string
of French popes,
735
00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:49,728
were determined to have
an Italian pope.
736
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,102
narrator:
The conclave of 1378
737
00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:55,267
is met with angry mobs
of Romans
738
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,396
chanting outside the Vatican,
739
00:33:57,502 --> 00:33:59,842
demanding a renewed
papal investment
740
00:33:59,904 --> 00:34:01,944
in their beloved city.
741
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,670
And though the cardinals miss
742
00:34:03,741 --> 00:34:06,781
their extravagant
French lifestyle,
743
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:08,278
they worry what might happen
744
00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:10,879
if the Romans' demands
are not met.
745
00:34:10,948 --> 00:34:14,548
- And so an Italian pope,
Urban VI, was elected.
746
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:19,289
♪ ♪
747
00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:21,430
But he seems to have been
unhinged
748
00:34:21,526 --> 00:34:23,126
by becoming the pope.
749
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:26,627
Instantly reveals himself
to be a megalomaniac,
750
00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:29,301
locking up people
who didn't agree with him,
751
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,540
so instead of being
a unifying figure,
752
00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:34,142
he becomes a symbol
of division.
753
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,638
♪ ♪
754
00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,311
narrator: Half of
the cardinals stand behind
755
00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:41,379
the maniacal
Pope Urban VI in Rome...
756
00:34:41,446 --> 00:34:43,106
♪ ♪
757
00:34:43,214 --> 00:34:46,284
While the other half panic
and flee back to Avignon,
758
00:34:46,384 --> 00:34:49,294
where they elect another pope,
759
00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:50,817
Clement VII.
760
00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:53,792
♪ ♪
761
00:34:53,891 --> 00:34:56,631
The once-universal church
is now split.
762
00:34:56,727 --> 00:34:59,597
♪ ♪
763
00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:02,634
Catholics are torn
between two different popes
764
00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:05,643
running two functioning
church bureaucracies
765
00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:07,566
from two different places.
766
00:35:07,638 --> 00:35:09,668
♪ ♪
767
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,184
- There was an election
of a pope,
768
00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:12,605
and some people didn't like
that election,
769
00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:14,147
so some people say,
770
00:35:14,245 --> 00:35:16,775
"We're gonna set up a church
someplace else."
771
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,689
And so this becomes
a very big battle.
772
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,585
- So in solving one problem,
773
00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:23,823
getting the pope
back to Rome,
774
00:35:23,921 --> 00:35:26,021
you've created
a much worse one.
775
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,864
- We went through a long period
776
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:31,459
when there were always
at least two different people
777
00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:33,029
claiming to be pope.
778
00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:36,872
narrator: This unprecedented
break in the church
779
00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:40,868
is what Catholics refer to as
the Western schism.
780
00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:43,212
- You've got popes saying,
"I am pope,"
781
00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:45,637
and some popes are classed
as antipopes,
782
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:47,480
because other people
don't recognize them,
783
00:35:47,545 --> 00:35:48,475
but who is the antipope?
784
00:35:48,546 --> 00:35:49,506
Who is the real pope?
785
00:35:49,614 --> 00:35:52,224
♪ ♪
786
00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:53,846
narrator:
For nearly 40 years,
787
00:35:53,951 --> 00:35:56,051
the church is divided.
788
00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:58,658
And Catholics
are forced to choose
789
00:35:58,723 --> 00:36:01,233
the true heir
to St. Peter's legacy.
790
00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:03,385
♪ ♪
791
00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:05,804
- Where is the place
that we are centered?
792
00:36:05,863 --> 00:36:09,303
That needs to flow
from the pope.
793
00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:11,297
What do you do
if you have two popes?
794
00:36:11,369 --> 00:36:13,369
Then it becomes a real problem
for the church,
795
00:36:13,471 --> 00:36:15,171
and you've got to
sort that out.
796
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,909
♪ ♪
797
00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:21,709
- This schism made a mockery
of the whole idea of the pope
798
00:36:21,812 --> 00:36:23,412
and the vicar of Christ
799
00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:26,054
being the successor of Peter.
800
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:27,990
narrator:
If there is one St. Peter,
801
00:36:28,052 --> 00:36:30,092
he can only have one legacy,
802
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:33,488
held by only one man.
803
00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:35,558
Two popes become a clear sign
804
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:38,200
that the spiritual source
of papal power
805
00:36:38,262 --> 00:36:39,662
has been abandoned.
806
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:41,930
- Having two popes
is impossible.
807
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:43,703
It's shattering
for Christendom.
808
00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:48,508
Reformers say, "We've got to do
something about this."
809
00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:51,284
narrator: With the future
of the church
810
00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:52,775
hanging in the balance,
811
00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:54,277
in 1415,
812
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:58,118
cardinals on both sides
look for a solution.
813
00:36:59,417 --> 00:37:03,547
- They convene a general
council at Constance,
814
00:37:03,621 --> 00:37:06,461
and the popes involved
are summoned
815
00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:09,027
and either deposed
or invited to resign.
816
00:37:09,093 --> 00:37:10,763
♪ ♪
817
00:37:10,861 --> 00:37:13,461
narrator: Both the Roman pope
Gregory XII
818
00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:16,274
and the Avignon pope
Benedict XII
819
00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:18,937
are forced to resign.
820
00:37:19,036 --> 00:37:21,406
♪ ♪
821
00:37:21,472 --> 00:37:23,242
In 1415,
822
00:37:23,307 --> 00:37:25,737
Pope Gregory XII
will be the last pope
823
00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,810
to leave the office alive...
824
00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,123
until 2013,
825
00:37:31,215 --> 00:37:33,145
when Pope Benedict XVI
826
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,251
makes a shocking announcement.
827
00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:39,459
♪ ♪
828
00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:44,432
[dramatic music]
829
00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:46,095
- The last time
a pope resigned
830
00:37:46,163 --> 00:37:48,633
happened just about
600 years ago.
831
00:37:48,733 --> 00:37:50,673
That would be
Pope Gregory XII
832
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:53,238
back in 1415.
833
00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:54,844
♪ ♪
834
00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:55,939
narrator:
Throughout the history
835
00:37:56,007 --> 00:37:57,337
of the Catholic Church,
836
00:37:57,441 --> 00:38:00,851
only four popes
have ever resigned,
837
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:02,645
and Pope Benedict XVI
838
00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:05,577
is the only one who has ever
done it peacefully
839
00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:07,320
and of his own volition.
840
00:38:07,418 --> 00:38:08,948
♪ ♪
841
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:12,120
But what does it mean
to have two living popes?
842
00:38:13,624 --> 00:38:17,264
How can two men
hold one legacy of St. Peter?
843
00:38:17,328 --> 00:38:18,828
♪ ♪
844
00:38:18,929 --> 00:38:21,829
[bell tolling]
845
00:38:21,932 --> 00:38:25,672
♪ ♪
846
00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:27,470
- Everyone was surprised.
847
00:38:27,538 --> 00:38:31,538
Catholics were surprised.
Non-Catholics were surprised.
848
00:38:31,642 --> 00:38:34,452
It was a strong contrast
to John Paul II,
849
00:38:34,512 --> 00:38:36,312
who insisted on remaining pope
850
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:38,550
until his dying gasp.
851
00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:40,479
narrator: In 2005,
852
00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:43,221
after reigning for 27 years,
853
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,661
Pope John Paul II passed away
854
00:38:45,723 --> 00:38:49,963
after a long and public battle
with Parkinson's disease.
855
00:38:50,027 --> 00:38:51,997
- In a way,
the act of resignation
856
00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:54,703
was a devastating comment
857
00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:57,969
on the last five or six years
of his predecessor.
858
00:38:58,035 --> 00:38:59,895
[cheers and applause]
859
00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:01,474
A flight in the face
860
00:39:01,539 --> 00:39:03,669
of the whole theology
of the papacy
861
00:39:03,741 --> 00:39:06,811
as it had evolved
in modern times,
862
00:39:06,877 --> 00:39:11,047
the notion that John Paul
had propagated
863
00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:13,078
that the papacy was a cross
864
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,594
which was laid
on your shoulders,
865
00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:16,345
and you could not shake it off.
866
00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:18,690
Benedict said,
"Well, it's a job,
867
00:39:18,756 --> 00:39:20,586
"and if you can't do it,
868
00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:23,161
you should let
somebody else try."
869
00:39:23,227 --> 00:39:25,757
narrator: By resigning
in the face of old age,
870
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:28,903
Pope Benedict XVI
has made a clear statement
871
00:39:28,999 --> 00:39:31,369
about the divinity
of the papal office.
872
00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:34,436
- But I think that was
a reminder to everybody
873
00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:36,608
in any position of authority
or power,
874
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:38,707
that it's not just about me.
875
00:39:38,776 --> 00:39:39,876
It's actually about,
876
00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:41,584
am I being effective?
877
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,279
Am I really serving
the community
878
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,452
and serving the church
properly?
879
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:48,790
- What Benedict did
in resigning
880
00:39:48,886 --> 00:39:51,856
was to make it easier
for successive popes
881
00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:53,792
to be able to say,
"I'm 80 years old.
882
00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:55,231
"I'm not gonna stay
883
00:39:55,292 --> 00:39:57,292
until I fall down dead
in this office."
884
00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:00,925
That's thinking more
like a CEO than anything else.
885
00:40:02,566 --> 00:40:04,066
- Alighting
from the helicopter,
886
00:40:04,135 --> 00:40:05,595
Francis thanks the pilots,
887
00:40:05,703 --> 00:40:07,103
then, seeing his predecessor,
888
00:40:07,204 --> 00:40:09,614
goes toward him
to embrace him.
889
00:40:09,707 --> 00:40:13,577
This is a historic moment.
890
00:40:13,644 --> 00:40:15,554
- There's not
any kind of precedent
891
00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:17,723
for Benedict's resignation.
892
00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:19,422
He really did do it
voluntarily
893
00:40:19,483 --> 00:40:21,553
and of his own behalf.
894
00:40:21,619 --> 00:40:28,629
♪ ♪
895
00:40:29,393 --> 00:40:31,733
narrator:
Today, Pope Benedict XVI
896
00:40:31,796 --> 00:40:35,466
lives in a quiet apartment
in the Vatican.
897
00:40:35,566 --> 00:40:36,896
He has passed the holy office
898
00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:38,937
peacefully down
to Pope Francis,
899
00:40:39,003 --> 00:40:42,313
leaving the power struggles
of the past behind.
900
00:40:42,406 --> 00:40:45,006
- The biggest gift that ever
happened to the papacy
901
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:46,839
is Pope Benedict XVI resigning,
902
00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:50,824
because he allowed the papacy
not to become a trap.
903
00:40:50,915 --> 00:40:55,185
♪ ♪
904
00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,316
- In terms of looking
to the future,
905
00:40:57,421 --> 00:41:00,121
as any pope
begins to get older
906
00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:02,991
or begins to have
any difficulties,
907
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,803
the question of resignation
908
00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:07,133
will be on the horizon.
909
00:41:07,198 --> 00:41:09,028
♪ ♪
910
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,803
- Francis has also
talked about resigning,
911
00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:14,939
and one, you don't know
how serious he is.
912
00:41:15,005 --> 00:41:16,935
He's a mischievous man,
913
00:41:17,007 --> 00:41:18,137
and he's got an agenda,
914
00:41:18,209 --> 00:41:19,709
and he's an old man,
915
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:22,710
and I think he'll want to see
that agenda out first.
916
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:26,523
But it may be
that he has learned the lesson
917
00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:31,057
of watching John Paul II
collapse into helplessness.
918
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:35,530
It would be very interesting
if popes now said,
919
00:41:35,626 --> 00:41:37,326
"Right, I've done my bit.
920
00:41:37,394 --> 00:41:38,704
Someone else can have a go."
921
00:41:38,796 --> 00:41:41,226
♪ ♪
922
00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:44,002
narrator: In announcing
his voluntary retirement,
923
00:41:44,068 --> 00:41:47,238
Pope Benedict has shaken
the foundation of the papacy.
924
00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:51,382
If Pope Francis retires
as well,
925
00:41:51,475 --> 00:41:53,575
a 2,000-year-old institution
926
00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:56,407
could be fundamentally
changed forever.
927
00:41:56,514 --> 00:42:01,894
♪ ♪
928
00:42:01,944 --> 00:42:06,494
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