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We're following breaking news this morning. 23 00:01:56,916 --> 00:02:01,016 Pope Benedict XVI has announced he is resigning. 24 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:03,621 - For the first time in 600 years, 25 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:05,590 a pope is retiring. 26 00:02:05,658 --> 00:02:09,498 ♪ ♪ 27 00:02:09,596 --> 00:02:12,526 - I was astonished when Benedict resigned. 28 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:14,302 It came completely out of the blue. 29 00:02:14,367 --> 00:02:17,767 - Benedict's resignation was an amazing thing. 30 00:02:18,605 --> 00:02:20,865 narrator: In the last 2,000 years, 31 00:02:20,974 --> 00:02:23,714 only four other popes have resigned. 32 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:26,880 - [speaking Latin] 33 00:02:32,051 --> 00:02:34,721 - It was wonderfully, comically announced. 34 00:02:36,456 --> 00:02:39,656 He announced it at a papal audience in Latin, 35 00:02:39,726 --> 00:02:41,386 and you had to see, all around the room, 36 00:02:41,494 --> 00:02:43,404 anyone who understood what he was saying. 37 00:02:43,496 --> 00:02:46,166 It was an astonishing thing to do. 38 00:02:46,232 --> 00:02:49,072 - It raises so many questions. 39 00:02:49,169 --> 00:02:51,299 You know, what happens now? 40 00:02:51,371 --> 00:02:57,081 ♪ ♪ 41 00:02:57,177 --> 00:03:00,307 narrator: Two weeks after Benedict XVI's resignation, 42 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:02,480 Pope Francis is elected, 43 00:03:02,549 --> 00:03:06,889 and the papal crown is handed from one man to the other. 44 00:03:06,986 --> 00:03:08,086 - We have two popes, 45 00:03:08,188 --> 00:03:09,658 but only one is the pope. 46 00:03:10,657 --> 00:03:12,327 The problem with having two popes 47 00:03:12,392 --> 00:03:15,032 is that you have to decide who do you listen to? 48 00:03:16,563 --> 00:03:19,933 - Benedict was 85 when he resigned. 49 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:22,243 He inherited the financial mess. 50 00:03:22,335 --> 00:03:24,535 He inherited the mess of sexual abuse. 51 00:03:24,604 --> 00:03:28,114 He inherited the administrative chaos. 52 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:30,778 Benedict resigned because he realized 53 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:34,107 that these problems were simply too great for him. 54 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,624 - It's not like other human institutions. 55 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:39,046 It's created, we believe, by God, 56 00:03:39,118 --> 00:03:40,948 and this man is resigning from all of that. 57 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:43,764 That not what popes are supposed to do. 58 00:03:43,856 --> 00:03:45,526 narrator: For 2,000 years, 59 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:48,192 the legacy of St. Peter has been a divine office 60 00:03:48,261 --> 00:03:51,801 passed down from one pope to the next. 61 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:54,468 But can two men hold a legitimate claim 62 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:57,037 to one godly office? 63 00:03:57,103 --> 00:03:58,873 [camera shutter clicks] 64 00:03:58,938 --> 00:04:00,538 - It's left us with this situation 65 00:04:00,607 --> 00:04:03,137 of a pope and an extra pope, 66 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,983 and that's always going to change 67 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:07,709 the nature of an institution. 68 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:09,650 Who's the real pope? 69 00:04:10,817 --> 00:04:12,647 narrator: In 2013, 70 00:04:12,752 --> 00:04:15,792 millions of people watch as Benedict XVI 71 00:04:15,888 --> 00:04:20,428 peacefully hands the papacy over to Pope Francis. 72 00:04:20,493 --> 00:04:21,833 But in the past, 73 00:04:21,928 --> 00:04:25,628 two living men with claim to one legacy 74 00:04:25,732 --> 00:04:28,502 has resulted in nothing but chaos. 75 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:31,572 - In the 10th and 11th centuries, 76 00:04:31,638 --> 00:04:34,338 if you've got two popes, you've got two factions. 77 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,280 It's a-- an extraordinary episode. 78 00:04:36,342 --> 00:04:41,912 ♪ ♪ 79 00:04:41,981 --> 00:04:44,351 - Benedict IX was a teenager. 80 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:46,350 He was the most eligible member 81 00:04:46,452 --> 00:04:48,192 of the powerful Roman family 82 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,918 that ruled the city of Rome. 83 00:04:49,989 --> 00:04:53,029 They wanted him to be pope for their own financial gain, 84 00:04:53,126 --> 00:04:55,426 their own territorial supremacy. 85 00:04:56,596 --> 00:04:59,496 - The papacy was the legal center 86 00:04:59,599 --> 00:05:01,129 of the Western world. 87 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,440 If a king needed a dispensation 88 00:05:03,503 --> 00:05:07,343 to marry his brother's wife, 89 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,510 if people wanted to take possession of a local parish, 90 00:05:11,611 --> 00:05:13,881 they would have to get permission, pay a fee. 91 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:17,220 At Rome, you are enormously powerful. 92 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:20,187 Immense responsibility. 93 00:05:20,286 --> 00:05:21,946 narrator: But 19-year-old Benedict 94 00:05:22,021 --> 00:05:26,161 has no interest in bureaucracy or public service. 95 00:05:26,225 --> 00:05:28,385 ♪ ♪ 96 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:31,234 He is only interested in the privileges of power. 97 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:34,731 ♪ ♪ 98 00:05:34,834 --> 00:05:37,404 - Benedict is someone who was clearly made pope 99 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:39,913 in order to enrich his family. 100 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:41,506 On the secular side, 101 00:05:41,574 --> 00:05:45,414 not someone who had any sort of spiritual authority, 102 00:05:45,511 --> 00:05:48,311 even spiritual training. 103 00:05:48,381 --> 00:05:50,481 - Nepotism tended to produce 104 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:52,920 a group of wealthy parasites 105 00:05:53,019 --> 00:05:55,659 who lived like grandees, 106 00:05:55,722 --> 00:05:57,822 who were also clergy. 107 00:05:57,890 --> 00:06:00,360 ♪ ♪ 108 00:06:00,426 --> 00:06:02,656 - He was incompetent. 109 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:05,029 He was morally compromised in many ways. 110 00:06:05,098 --> 00:06:08,328 - Benedict was up to his neck in robbery and murder. 111 00:06:08,401 --> 00:06:11,441 He was using his position to gain wealth 112 00:06:11,537 --> 00:06:13,207 at the expense of the people of Rome. 113 00:06:13,272 --> 00:06:15,712 ♪ ♪ 114 00:06:15,775 --> 00:06:17,605 narrator: By the year 1044, 115 00:06:17,710 --> 00:06:20,850 the cardinals are fed up. 116 00:06:20,913 --> 00:06:22,283 They decide the church needs 117 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:25,222 a real spiritual and political leader. 118 00:06:25,284 --> 00:06:27,594 Something must be done. 119 00:06:27,687 --> 00:06:31,387 ♪ ♪ 120 00:06:31,457 --> 00:06:35,027 - The holiest priest in Rome came to him and said, 121 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:37,904 "You need to step down for the good of the church. 122 00:06:37,964 --> 00:06:39,374 What can I give you?" 123 00:06:39,432 --> 00:06:41,132 And made him some sort of offering. 124 00:06:41,234 --> 00:06:43,704 - Benedict IX sold the papacy. 125 00:06:43,770 --> 00:06:46,310 - Which, of course, is against the canons. 126 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:48,907 narrator: In the 11th century, 127 00:06:48,975 --> 00:06:51,305 conclaves had not yet been invented. 128 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:53,811 Popes were often chosen by brute force 129 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:55,783 or nepotism. 130 00:06:55,882 --> 00:06:57,652 - Buying church power was considered 131 00:06:57,750 --> 00:07:00,050 one of the worst sins there was. 132 00:07:00,119 --> 00:07:03,659 So the fact that he had actually sold the papacy 133 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:05,656 in return for money 134 00:07:05,758 --> 00:07:07,088 was appalling to everyone. 135 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,130 ♪ ♪ 136 00:07:09,228 --> 00:07:12,568 narrator: For the first time in recorded history, 137 00:07:12,632 --> 00:07:15,842 a pope resigns in exchange for money, 138 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:17,735 which catapults the papacy 139 00:07:17,804 --> 00:07:20,944 into the world of dirty politics. 140 00:07:21,007 --> 00:07:22,837 - The papacy becomes a pawn 141 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,912 in the politics of central Italy. 142 00:07:25,978 --> 00:07:27,178 narrator: But though the young pope 143 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,480 accepts the cardinal's bribe, 144 00:07:30,583 --> 00:07:33,793 this will not be the last the world hears 145 00:07:33,853 --> 00:07:35,763 of Benedict IX. 146 00:07:35,822 --> 00:07:40,492 ♪ ♪ 147 00:07:42,829 --> 00:07:44,529 [dramatic music] 148 00:07:44,630 --> 00:07:46,130 narrator: In 1044, 149 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,169 after eight years of desecrating the papacy, 150 00:07:49,268 --> 00:07:50,868 young Pope Benedict IX 151 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,470 accepts the cardinal's bribe to resign. 152 00:07:53,539 --> 00:07:55,709 ♪ ♪ 153 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:57,378 - They ganged up together 154 00:07:57,477 --> 00:08:00,947 and drove Benedict out of the city. 155 00:08:01,013 --> 00:08:03,453 The Roman people picked a new pope, 156 00:08:03,516 --> 00:08:06,816 and he took the name Sylvester III. 157 00:08:06,886 --> 00:08:13,556 ♪ ♪ 158 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:14,989 narrator: Just weeks after 159 00:08:15,061 --> 00:08:17,831 handing the papacy over to Sylvester, 160 00:08:17,897 --> 00:08:21,627 the former Pope Benedict IX and his family decide 161 00:08:21,701 --> 00:08:23,501 they want the throne back. 162 00:08:23,569 --> 00:08:26,539 - And the awkward thing now is that there were two popes, 163 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,379 and both of them were claiming to be the heir of St. Peter. 164 00:08:30,476 --> 00:08:32,036 Benedict, however, had a wealthier family 165 00:08:32,144 --> 00:08:33,314 than Sylvester, 166 00:08:33,379 --> 00:08:36,079 and so his family rallied behind him, 167 00:08:36,182 --> 00:08:37,422 gave him an army. 168 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,347 He marched back into Rome, 169 00:08:39,418 --> 00:08:42,358 and he drove Sylvester III out. 170 00:08:42,421 --> 00:08:45,491 - You find yourself bewildered by this. 171 00:08:45,558 --> 00:08:48,428 I mean, it's so far from the apostles 172 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:50,898 or how any Christian leader should be, 173 00:08:50,997 --> 00:08:53,167 but that was the way the church was. 174 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:56,767 And it's about spiritual power 175 00:08:56,869 --> 00:09:00,169 uncomfortably mixed with worldly power. 176 00:09:00,239 --> 00:09:07,349 ♪ ♪ 177 00:09:09,782 --> 00:09:11,382 narrator: Six months after accepting 178 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:13,920 the cardinal's bribe to resign, 179 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:16,620 Benedict IX is reinstated as pope. 180 00:09:16,722 --> 00:09:23,802 ♪ ♪ 181 00:09:25,364 --> 00:09:27,034 - Now their positions had reversed. 182 00:09:27,099 --> 00:09:28,199 Benedict is in Rome, 183 00:09:28,267 --> 00:09:29,967 and Sylvester III is in exile, 184 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:32,139 but they're both still claiming to be pope. 185 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:35,068 ♪ ♪ 186 00:09:35,141 --> 00:09:37,981 - Benedict IX was the first pope that comes back, 187 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:41,147 and they have to decide, well, who's the real pope now? 188 00:09:41,247 --> 00:09:43,147 narrator: With Rome's allegiances split 189 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:45,589 between Benedict and Sylvester, 190 00:09:45,651 --> 00:09:48,151 the church faces a crisis of faith. 191 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:52,434 How does one decide who holds the legacy of St. Peter? 192 00:09:52,491 --> 00:09:55,431 The Romans will not have long to figure it out. 193 00:09:55,494 --> 00:09:57,304 ♪ ♪ 194 00:09:57,396 --> 00:10:01,126 Only one month into Benedict IX's second papacy, 195 00:10:01,233 --> 00:10:04,403 he complicates the matter even further. 196 00:10:04,470 --> 00:10:07,440 - Benedict, then, in the way of impetuous young men-- 197 00:10:07,506 --> 00:10:09,676 he decided he didn't want to be pope anymore. 198 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:11,005 He'd had enough. 199 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:13,180 He wanted to get married. 200 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,079 ♪ ♪ 201 00:10:15,147 --> 00:10:20,447 He handed the papacy over to his godfather, 202 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:22,359 and he became Pope Gregory VI. 203 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:26,855 ♪ ♪ 204 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:29,299 Then the really scandalous thing happened. 205 00:10:30,262 --> 00:10:33,332 Benedict's lady love decided not to marry him after all, 206 00:10:33,432 --> 00:10:35,802 and he decided he wanted the papacy back. 207 00:10:35,868 --> 00:10:37,368 Gregory VI said, "No, I'm pope." 208 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:39,510 Sylvester III, who's still in the village outside, 209 00:10:39,605 --> 00:10:41,005 probably said, "Don't forget about me." 210 00:10:41,107 --> 00:10:42,607 So now we actually have three popes. 211 00:10:42,675 --> 00:10:43,935 We have three popes, 212 00:10:44,010 --> 00:10:45,610 and there is no one to declare 213 00:10:45,678 --> 00:10:47,148 which one is the most legitimate. 214 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:50,524 narrator: Benedict's, Sylvester's, 215 00:10:50,616 --> 00:10:52,046 and Gregory's factions 216 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:53,821 all fight in the streets of Rome 217 00:10:53,886 --> 00:10:57,986 over who is the rightful heir to the papal throne, 218 00:10:58,057 --> 00:10:59,057 and in the end, 219 00:10:59,158 --> 00:11:01,328 Benedict IX's wealthy family 220 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:03,034 wins again. 221 00:11:03,129 --> 00:11:08,129 ♪ ♪ 222 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,240 - Benedict was pope three times in the end. 223 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:12,366 ♪ ♪ 224 00:11:12,471 --> 00:11:13,741 narrator: After Benedict's reign 225 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:16,239 sends the church into a tailspin, 226 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:18,712 the spiritual foundation of the papacy 227 00:11:18,811 --> 00:11:20,581 has been shattered. 228 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,750 - All of this becomes a real problem for the church, 229 00:11:22,848 --> 00:11:24,978 and you've got to sort that out. 230 00:11:25,051 --> 00:11:27,091 narrator: In July of 1048, 231 00:11:27,186 --> 00:11:29,556 Benedict IX is officially ousted 232 00:11:29,655 --> 00:11:31,185 once and for all. 233 00:11:31,257 --> 00:11:33,327 ♪ ♪ 234 00:11:33,392 --> 00:11:35,492 The cardinals decide the fairest way 235 00:11:35,561 --> 00:11:37,561 to consolidate papal power 236 00:11:37,663 --> 00:11:39,003 is to ignore Sylvester 237 00:11:39,065 --> 00:11:41,565 and Gregory's claims to the throne, 238 00:11:41,667 --> 00:11:42,937 clear the decks, 239 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:45,265 and elect a new pope. 240 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:47,171 - One of the problems in the 11th century 241 00:11:47,239 --> 00:11:49,939 was that there was no clear way of choosing a pope. 242 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:53,782 ♪ ♪ 243 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:55,609 It was a matter of, frequently, 244 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:57,045 murder... 245 00:11:57,116 --> 00:12:00,616 ♪ ♪ 246 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,460 Bribery, 247 00:12:02,555 --> 00:12:04,085 and also relationship. 248 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:07,260 The sons of popes sometimes became popes. 249 00:12:07,359 --> 00:12:10,099 Choosing a pope, it's very confused, 250 00:12:10,196 --> 00:12:13,126 and it's never a pretty sight. 251 00:12:13,232 --> 00:12:17,072 - It's very clear that the office of the papacy 252 00:12:17,136 --> 00:12:18,436 can belong to whoever has 253 00:12:18,537 --> 00:12:20,707 the most military might to enforce it. 254 00:12:20,773 --> 00:12:24,313 ♪ ♪ 255 00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:25,610 narrator: The cardinals realize 256 00:12:25,711 --> 00:12:27,051 they must solidify rules 257 00:12:27,113 --> 00:12:28,813 for papal elections. 258 00:12:28,914 --> 00:12:30,424 They convene in an effort 259 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:33,553 to solve this problem once and for all, 260 00:12:33,619 --> 00:12:36,159 and the result 261 00:12:36,255 --> 00:12:39,485 becomes one of the most iconic symbols of the papacy. 262 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:43,762 ♪ ♪ 263 00:12:43,829 --> 00:12:45,299 - In the 12th century, 264 00:12:45,397 --> 00:12:48,127 cardinals who were senior clergy in Rome 265 00:12:48,234 --> 00:12:51,404 made what they called a college, and after that, 266 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:55,240 cardinals would choose a pope in public, 267 00:12:55,307 --> 00:12:57,437 so that sort of regularized things, 268 00:12:57,510 --> 00:13:00,150 but of course, you can always twist elections. 269 00:13:00,246 --> 00:13:02,446 ♪ ♪ 270 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:04,115 narrator: After nearly 200 years 271 00:13:04,183 --> 00:13:06,253 of corrupt public elections, 272 00:13:06,318 --> 00:13:10,158 what is known today as the conclave is designed. 273 00:13:10,256 --> 00:13:13,926 ♪ ♪ 274 00:13:13,993 --> 00:13:15,363 The word "conclave," 275 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:17,861 a Latin term meaning "with a key," 276 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:20,373 signifies that the cardinals are locked in 277 00:13:20,466 --> 00:13:24,136 to avoid the interference of outside politics. 278 00:13:24,203 --> 00:13:26,173 As of 1274, 279 00:13:26,272 --> 00:13:29,612 papal elections are held in secret. 280 00:13:29,675 --> 00:13:32,205 - The cardinals would be cut off from the world, 281 00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:36,051 enclosed, make their votes, vote again. 282 00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:38,948 There would be that famous white smoke at the end. 283 00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:43,188 ♪ ♪ 284 00:13:43,289 --> 00:13:45,059 narrator: For the last 700 years, 285 00:13:45,157 --> 00:13:47,987 papal elections have been held the same way. 286 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,830 Cardinals are locked in the Vatican 287 00:13:50,896 --> 00:13:52,226 and vote again and again 288 00:13:52,331 --> 00:13:55,001 until a 2/3 majority is achieved. 289 00:13:55,067 --> 00:13:59,367 ♪ ♪ 290 00:13:59,471 --> 00:14:00,911 - And each round of balloting is burned 291 00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:03,876 so that nobody can see who voted for whom. 292 00:14:03,976 --> 00:14:06,906 ♪ ♪ 293 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:08,812 That's what generates the smoke. 294 00:14:08,881 --> 00:14:11,021 ♪ ♪ 295 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:12,223 narrator: In the Middle Ages, 296 00:14:12,318 --> 00:14:14,218 cardinals added a damp straw 297 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,490 to the burning ballots 298 00:14:15,554 --> 00:14:17,324 to create the black smoke, 299 00:14:17,389 --> 00:14:20,929 signifying that no pope has been chosen. 300 00:14:21,026 --> 00:14:23,096 The white smoke that hails a new pope 301 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,655 was made by burning the paper alone. 302 00:14:27,099 --> 00:14:30,069 Today, chemical compounds are added to the ballots 303 00:14:30,169 --> 00:14:32,099 to color the smoke. 304 00:14:32,204 --> 00:14:35,444 ♪ ♪ 305 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:38,881 Modern conclaves usually only last for a few days... 306 00:14:38,944 --> 00:14:41,784 ♪ ♪ 307 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,551 But in the 13th century, 308 00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:45,616 they could go on for months. 309 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:50,218 ♪ ♪ 310 00:14:50,289 --> 00:14:54,359 - In the 13th century, bribery would be involved, 311 00:14:54,426 --> 00:14:56,296 the rivalries of kings. 312 00:14:56,395 --> 00:14:58,195 People were basically stonewalling, 313 00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:00,574 filibustering. 314 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:02,133 narrator: In 1292, 315 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:05,444 the cardinals assemble to elect a new pope, 316 00:15:05,537 --> 00:15:09,477 but warring factions cannot reach the 2/3 majority, 317 00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:12,975 and the conclave goes on for a full two years. 318 00:15:14,246 --> 00:15:17,816 - Without the pope, Rome was a mess. 319 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:21,647 Marauders and robber gangs wanted to dominate the city 320 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:23,264 and to a great extent did 321 00:15:23,322 --> 00:15:26,492 without the pope functioning as a-- 322 00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:28,892 as a sort of local king. 323 00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:30,601 narrator: With Rome in shambles 324 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:34,303 and no end to the conclave in sight, 325 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,940 it looks as if the resignation of one teenage pope 326 00:15:38,003 --> 00:15:41,443 may have unraveled St. Peter's legacy for good. 327 00:15:41,507 --> 00:15:45,437 ♪ ♪ 328 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:49,620 [dramatic music] 329 00:15:49,682 --> 00:15:52,692 narrator: In 1294, the cardinals are determined 330 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:55,515 to renew the spiritual supremacy of the papacy 331 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:58,791 by electing a pope through the proper channels. 332 00:15:58,857 --> 00:16:00,687 ♪ ♪ 333 00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:02,833 Warring factions are deadlocked, 334 00:16:02,928 --> 00:16:04,928 which has left Rome without a leader 335 00:16:04,997 --> 00:16:07,027 and in dire shape. 336 00:16:08,167 --> 00:16:10,867 Frustrated by the delay and state of Rome, 337 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,540 a hermit monk named Pietro Angelerio 338 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,180 writes to the conclave. 339 00:16:18,777 --> 00:16:20,707 - He was an example 340 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:25,223 of these kinds of crazy guys who live up a mountain 341 00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:27,647 and live on beans, 342 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,360 and read nothing but the Gospel. 343 00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:36,059 narrator: Angelerio warns the cardinals 344 00:16:36,161 --> 00:16:37,801 that vengeance will fall on them 345 00:16:37,863 --> 00:16:41,233 if they continue the stalemate. 346 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:44,643 Taking his letter as a divine sign, 347 00:16:44,703 --> 00:16:47,973 the cardinals decide to elect him pope. 348 00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:52,241 - In the 13th century, you had a great succession 349 00:16:52,344 --> 00:16:54,254 of reforming popes. 350 00:16:54,346 --> 00:16:57,816 Politicians thought that this is not how a pope should be. 351 00:16:59,351 --> 00:17:02,021 So what they did was elect a pope 352 00:17:02,087 --> 00:17:05,917 who was as unworldly as you could possibly hope for: 353 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:07,725 a hermit. 354 00:17:07,826 --> 00:17:10,056 And they called him Celestine, the-- 355 00:17:10,162 --> 00:17:11,162 the heavenly one. 356 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:15,230 ♪ ♪ 357 00:17:15,334 --> 00:17:18,374 - Celestine V does not want to be pope. 358 00:17:18,437 --> 00:17:21,237 He'd rather be praying off alone by himself, 359 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:24,710 and he goes to do this papacy rather reluctantly. 360 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:26,507 - It's not super clear 361 00:17:26,578 --> 00:17:28,778 that he even exactly knew what was going on. 362 00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:32,351 It's not clear how sharp mentally he was. 363 00:17:32,418 --> 00:17:34,888 - Celestine V was just hopeless. 364 00:17:34,953 --> 00:17:36,793 He couldn't run the church at all. 365 00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:39,289 narrator: After only five months in office, 366 00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:42,561 Celestine V announces his retirement. 367 00:17:42,628 --> 00:17:44,958 - And during that five months, 368 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:46,804 the French crown manipulated him 369 00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:48,469 to get all sorts of concessions 370 00:17:48,567 --> 00:17:50,797 and control over more power, 371 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,373 and the Roman contingent in the college of cardinals 372 00:17:53,439 --> 00:17:55,939 became increasingly alarmed. 373 00:17:57,476 --> 00:17:59,946 He was helped to retire by his successor, 374 00:18:00,045 --> 00:18:01,445 who was a pro-Roman pope, 375 00:18:01,547 --> 00:18:03,447 Boniface VIII. 376 00:18:03,549 --> 00:18:06,989 It was said that he whispered through a hole 377 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,116 in the pope's cell where he prayed, 378 00:18:09,221 --> 00:18:11,661 and that he said he was the voice of God 379 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:13,157 and told the pope to resign 380 00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:16,758 so that he could be elected pope in his stead. 381 00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:19,629 - He made a vow to become a monk 382 00:18:19,731 --> 00:18:21,231 and simply living in retirement 383 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,740 for the good of his health, 384 00:18:23,802 --> 00:18:26,412 the only pope who ever voluntarily did 385 00:18:26,472 --> 00:18:28,812 before Benedict XVI. 386 00:18:30,242 --> 00:18:34,812 - A couple of years before Pope Benedict XVI resigns, 387 00:18:34,913 --> 00:18:36,583 Pope Benedict took a trip, 388 00:18:36,648 --> 00:18:38,618 and he laid his pallium 389 00:18:38,684 --> 00:18:40,924 on the grave of Celestine V. 390 00:18:40,986 --> 00:18:42,316 People didn't know it at the time, 391 00:18:42,421 --> 00:18:43,961 but that might have been a signal, 392 00:18:44,022 --> 00:18:45,622 because a year and a half later, 393 00:18:45,691 --> 00:18:47,791 he too would resign his papacy. 394 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:50,601 narrator: But despite the peaceful nature 395 00:18:50,662 --> 00:18:53,302 in which Celestine V resigns, 396 00:18:53,365 --> 00:18:55,595 and because of the violence and instability 397 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:58,537 surrounding the resignation of Benedict IX 398 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:01,537 250 years earlier, 399 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,140 the new pope must make sure 400 00:19:03,208 --> 00:19:06,038 that Celestine is never heard from again. 401 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:12,145 ♪ ♪ 402 00:19:12,217 --> 00:19:15,617 - After Celestine retired and Boniface became the pope, 403 00:19:15,687 --> 00:19:18,487 he felt that it was dangerous to have two living popes. 404 00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:25,900 - You can't have another pope knocking about 405 00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:27,628 and threatening the pope. 406 00:19:27,699 --> 00:19:30,169 [horse neighing] 407 00:19:30,235 --> 00:19:31,235 - [grunts] 408 00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:32,466 narrator: Immediately after 409 00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:34,408 Celestine leaves the Vatican, 410 00:19:34,506 --> 00:19:36,376 Boniface has him attacked 411 00:19:36,475 --> 00:19:38,205 and locked up. 412 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:45,350 ♪ ♪ 413 00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:49,148 - He didn't want Celestine talking to anybody. 414 00:19:49,221 --> 00:19:50,491 He didn't want him to be able 415 00:19:50,556 --> 00:19:52,416 to communicate with his supporters, 416 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:54,494 so essentially put him under house arrest 417 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,560 in order to protect his own legitimacy as pope. 418 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:01,934 - And so Celestine dies in captivity. 419 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:09,114 ♪ ♪ 420 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:12,949 narrator: In the 13th century, however, 421 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,275 a retired pope is not the only threat 422 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:18,220 to a sitting pope's power. 423 00:20:18,283 --> 00:20:19,593 In a time when the lines 424 00:20:19,685 --> 00:20:22,785 between church and state are fluid, 425 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:25,618 kings are just as threatening to papal power 426 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:27,464 as previous popes. 427 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:29,289 - There was always a bit of a problem 428 00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:30,864 as to who was in charge. 429 00:20:30,929 --> 00:20:32,399 Was it the king, 430 00:20:32,464 --> 00:20:34,104 or was it the pope? 431 00:20:34,199 --> 00:20:37,269 ♪ ♪ 432 00:20:37,369 --> 00:20:40,409 - So much of the maneuvering and back-and-forthing 433 00:20:40,472 --> 00:20:43,912 and jousting that goes on with the papacy 434 00:20:43,976 --> 00:20:46,876 has to do with the fact that it was in Italy. 435 00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:48,445 Italy is not a country yet. 436 00:20:48,547 --> 00:20:51,317 Italy is basically up for grabs. 437 00:20:51,416 --> 00:20:52,576 The Normans grab part of it. 438 00:20:52,651 --> 00:20:53,751 The Franks grab part of it. 439 00:20:53,819 --> 00:20:55,319 The Germans grab part of it. 440 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:57,820 Italy is always contested, 441 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:00,663 so if you're gonna control any major part of Italy, 442 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,889 you have to get the pope on your side. 443 00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:07,171 ♪ ♪ 444 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,166 - You want to raise an army? 445 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,998 You need the pope's blessing. 446 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:12,673 narrator: Because of the volatile nature 447 00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:15,241 of medieval European politics, 448 00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:18,807 the papacy becomes dependent on the surrounding monarchies 449 00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:21,910 for stability, and vice versa. 450 00:21:23,081 --> 00:21:25,021 - The pope didn't have an army. 451 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:28,187 He didn't have anything other than moral persuasion 452 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:29,517 on his side, 453 00:21:29,621 --> 00:21:32,021 and so what we see the early popes doing 454 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:36,094 are making these alliances with different secular leaders. 455 00:21:36,161 --> 00:21:38,361 ♪ ♪ 456 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:40,773 narrator: At the end of the 13th century, 457 00:21:40,832 --> 00:21:42,602 the most powerful monarch in Europe 458 00:21:42,668 --> 00:21:45,338 is King Philip IV of France. 459 00:21:45,437 --> 00:21:47,267 He had manipulated Pope Celestine 460 00:21:47,339 --> 00:21:50,279 into siphoning him church money and land. 461 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:53,980 But after Celestine's resignation, 462 00:21:54,046 --> 00:21:56,446 the new pope Boniface VIII 463 00:21:56,515 --> 00:21:58,875 is not so easily manipulated. 464 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:00,954 - When Boniface VIII became pope, 465 00:22:01,019 --> 00:22:03,119 he saw the French influence as something that had gone 466 00:22:03,188 --> 00:22:04,518 way, way out of bounds, 467 00:22:04,623 --> 00:22:07,033 and so he positioned himself essentially 468 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:10,155 as the anti-France pope. 469 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:13,400 So Philip IV and Boniface 470 00:22:13,498 --> 00:22:17,298 had this very real clash of powers. 471 00:22:17,369 --> 00:22:19,569 Boniface began to generate 472 00:22:19,671 --> 00:22:22,511 some very, very harsh language 473 00:22:22,574 --> 00:22:24,844 about the power of the papacy. 474 00:22:24,910 --> 00:22:27,750 Here's a letter that he wrote to Philip IV of France. 475 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,406 He said, "Listen, son." 476 00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,054 Literally, that's how he begins it. 477 00:22:31,149 --> 00:22:32,819 "Son, 478 00:22:32,884 --> 00:22:37,224 "God has set us over kings and kingdoms. 479 00:22:37,322 --> 00:22:41,732 Let no one persuade you that you have superiority." 480 00:22:41,827 --> 00:22:45,657 So it is this very explicit language 481 00:22:45,731 --> 00:22:49,271 that says, the pope has control over the king. 482 00:22:50,268 --> 00:22:52,268 narrator: But King Philip has an agenda, 483 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:55,871 and he does not intend to let one insubordinate pope 484 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:57,511 stand in his way. 485 00:22:57,576 --> 00:23:01,406 ♪ ♪ 486 00:23:03,749 --> 00:23:05,619 [dramatic music] 487 00:23:05,717 --> 00:23:07,187 narrator: After the resignation 488 00:23:07,252 --> 00:23:11,622 of his puppet Pope Celestine V in 1294, 489 00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:14,063 King Philip IV of France is determined 490 00:23:14,126 --> 00:23:16,896 to reassert his power over the papacy. 491 00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:20,633 But the new pope Boniface VIII 492 00:23:20,732 --> 00:23:23,272 refuses to give in to the greedy monarch. 493 00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:25,268 ♪ ♪ 494 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:27,440 - Philip IV comes to the throne 495 00:23:27,539 --> 00:23:29,879 at a time in which warfare is being fought 496 00:23:29,941 --> 00:23:31,981 by purchasing armies, 497 00:23:32,077 --> 00:23:34,147 and he, like other monarchs, 498 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:35,406 needs more and more money. 499 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,550 - And the church is very wealthy. 500 00:23:37,616 --> 00:23:39,886 ♪ ♪ 501 00:23:39,951 --> 00:23:43,121 narrator: So when Boniface dies, 502 00:23:43,221 --> 00:23:44,821 King Philip ensures that a pope 503 00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:46,493 who will give him what he wants 504 00:23:46,591 --> 00:23:48,991 is elected. 505 00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:51,504 - He expressed very clearly to the college of cardinals 506 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:55,096 that he preferred this particular French candidate. 507 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,337 ♪ ♪ 508 00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,336 It wasn't an easy election... 509 00:24:00,672 --> 00:24:03,942 But ultimately the French side was strong enough to win. 510 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,847 - A French prelate who takes the name Clement V 511 00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:09,847 becomes the pope. 512 00:24:09,948 --> 00:24:13,688 ♪ ♪ 513 00:24:13,785 --> 00:24:16,685 Philip actually asks them to come to France 514 00:24:16,788 --> 00:24:18,418 to crown him pope. 515 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:20,590 ♪ ♪ 516 00:24:20,659 --> 00:24:24,859 - The popes, of course, had been appointed in Rome 517 00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:26,803 from the time of St. Peter. 518 00:24:26,865 --> 00:24:29,525 - King Philip of France has a very powerful hold 519 00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:31,144 on Pope Clement V. 520 00:24:31,203 --> 00:24:32,443 This is a weak man, 521 00:24:32,504 --> 00:24:34,614 and he's intimidated by Philip. 522 00:24:35,674 --> 00:24:37,044 - Clement's just notorious. 523 00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:39,142 He just did whatever he was asked. 524 00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:42,552 Clement V actually promised Philip 525 00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:45,047 a flat-out portion of the church tithe, 526 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,320 that it just went straight into the royal coffers. 527 00:24:47,385 --> 00:24:50,715 He also signed off on the expulsion of Jews 528 00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:53,192 as a danger to the church, 529 00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:55,061 in knowledge that the wealth 530 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,630 was going to go to Philip. 531 00:24:57,696 --> 00:24:59,396 That's very blatant. 532 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,468 ♪ ♪ 533 00:25:02,534 --> 00:25:03,974 narrator: By 1309, 534 00:25:04,035 --> 00:25:06,365 King Philip has turned Pope Clement V 535 00:25:06,471 --> 00:25:09,011 into a pawn of the French crown, 536 00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:14,084 and in an attempt to solidify his power over the church, 537 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,149 the French king lays the groundwork 538 00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:19,754 for what will be the papacy's most notorious resignation 539 00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:22,921 by undermining its very foundation. 540 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:26,891 ♪ ♪ 541 00:25:26,992 --> 00:25:29,662 - Peter is buried on the Vatican hill, 542 00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:33,198 and St. Peter's Basilica is built over his tomb. 543 00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:35,195 ♪ ♪ 544 00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:38,197 Popes are seen as inheriting that charisma 545 00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:39,500 and that role, 546 00:25:39,571 --> 00:25:41,611 standing in for the apostle. 547 00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:46,684 His tomb is the foundation charter for the papacy. 548 00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:49,005 ♪ ♪ 549 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,180 narrator: But King Philip demands that Pope Clement 550 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,919 leave the legacy of St. Peter in Rome 551 00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:57,359 and move the papacy to operate under his thumb 552 00:25:57,422 --> 00:25:58,892 in France. 553 00:25:58,957 --> 00:26:02,457 ♪ ♪ 554 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,061 - The pope eventually will end up 555 00:26:04,129 --> 00:26:06,229 setting up quarters at Avignon. 556 00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:08,628 ♪ ♪ 557 00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:10,573 - Rather than being in a landscape 558 00:26:10,635 --> 00:26:13,065 where the pope could actually act 559 00:26:13,138 --> 00:26:14,538 as an independent power 560 00:26:14,606 --> 00:26:17,806 and make alliances with anyone that he chose, 561 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:20,379 he was now firmly entrenched in one country, 562 00:26:20,445 --> 00:26:23,445 clearly under the control of one king. 563 00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:27,319 That was what warped the papacy. 564 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:29,149 It's a little bit as though Washington, D.C. 565 00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:30,624 suddenly upped and said, 566 00:26:30,722 --> 00:26:32,322 "Well, now Manhattan is gonna be the capital 567 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:34,634 of the entire United States." 568 00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:36,126 narrator: For the first time 569 00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:38,297 since the invention of the conclave, 570 00:26:38,396 --> 00:26:40,926 the one with true power over the church 571 00:26:40,999 --> 00:26:44,169 is not the one chosen by God 572 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:47,469 but a power-hungry monarch instead. 573 00:26:47,572 --> 00:26:49,772 - It's the dream of all the great rulers 574 00:26:49,841 --> 00:26:52,811 of medieval Europe to control the papacy. 575 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:58,319 Philip actually got the papacy into France. 576 00:26:58,416 --> 00:27:00,646 Once you've done that, 577 00:27:00,752 --> 00:27:02,192 the pope can become a puppet 578 00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:04,857 of what you want to get done. 579 00:27:04,956 --> 00:27:06,516 ♪ ♪ 580 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,085 - That is a moment for the church 581 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:09,959 that becomes very troubling. 582 00:27:10,028 --> 00:27:11,598 You're abdicating the seat 583 00:27:11,663 --> 00:27:13,603 of where the church is supposed to lie. 584 00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:16,025 You leave the bones of Peter behind, 585 00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:17,374 and you're not moving them. 586 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:18,799 You're moving to this other place. 587 00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:20,710 What you're saying is, is that maybe 588 00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:22,805 this isn't as important to the church 589 00:27:22,874 --> 00:27:24,714 as we have thought it was previously. 590 00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:29,311 And that becomes a really dangerous situation 591 00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:31,521 for holding together not just the papacy 592 00:27:31,616 --> 00:27:34,716 but holding together beliefs and tenets of the church. 593 00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:36,789 narrator: Leaving Rome costs the papacy 594 00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:39,355 its religious authority throughout Europe. 595 00:27:39,457 --> 00:27:41,227 ♪ ♪ 596 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:44,556 But once the church becomes established in France, 597 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,833 Pope Clement V finds that despite 598 00:27:46,898 --> 00:27:49,968 being hundreds of miles from the bones of St. Peter, 599 00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:54,235 there are certain benefits to the new location. 600 00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:56,009 - It was very clearly a time 601 00:27:56,074 --> 00:27:59,844 when they had given up their spiritual authority 602 00:27:59,911 --> 00:28:02,411 in order to enjoy material prosperity. 603 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:04,154 The college of cardinals, 604 00:28:04,215 --> 00:28:07,085 which also became centered at Avignon after this, 605 00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:10,715 was absolutely notorious for luxurious living 606 00:28:10,822 --> 00:28:13,162 and for having banquets that went on for days 607 00:28:13,224 --> 00:28:14,764 and for spending church money 608 00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:18,159 in order to take care of themselves. 609 00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:22,267 - But the Avignon papacy worked. 610 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,267 It's in southern France. 611 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,539 It's much more central to Europe 612 00:28:26,604 --> 00:28:29,014 than the Italian peninsula. 613 00:28:29,074 --> 00:28:32,214 It was efficient. It had a decent bureaucracy. 614 00:28:32,277 --> 00:28:36,547 There was actually a good case for the Avignon papacy. 615 00:28:36,614 --> 00:28:37,724 Big problem, though: 616 00:28:37,782 --> 00:28:40,622 it doesn't have the tomb of Peter, 617 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:43,019 and what's the point of a pope 618 00:28:43,088 --> 00:28:45,618 who doesn't sit at the tomb of Peter? 619 00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:47,264 ♪ ♪ 620 00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:48,958 narrator: Despite being miles 621 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,260 from the spiritual foundation of the papacy, 622 00:28:52,363 --> 00:28:54,573 Pope Clement V remains in France 623 00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:57,542 and continues to lead the church under King Philip 624 00:28:57,602 --> 00:29:00,372 until they both die in 1314. 625 00:29:00,438 --> 00:29:03,638 ♪ ♪ 626 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,952 His successor continues his papacy in Avignon, 627 00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:09,475 as does the pope after him. 628 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:11,651 - The papacy was more or less captured 629 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,320 by the king of France. 630 00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:14,988 For a long period of time, 631 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,216 it was completely the instrument 632 00:29:17,288 --> 00:29:18,888 of the French crown, 633 00:29:18,957 --> 00:29:21,827 and almost every cardinal who was appointed 634 00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:24,156 to the college of cardinals during this time 635 00:29:24,262 --> 00:29:26,462 was French. 636 00:29:26,564 --> 00:29:28,004 narrator: By 1347, 637 00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:30,169 it appears that the papacy has become 638 00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:33,398 an arm of the French crown for good. 639 00:29:33,471 --> 00:29:38,411 ♪ ♪ 640 00:29:40,745 --> 00:29:44,345 [dramatic music] 641 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:46,419 narrator: In the mid-1360s, 642 00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:48,094 the papacy has left Rome 643 00:29:48,153 --> 00:29:50,423 and been operating in Avignon, France, 644 00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:52,288 for almost 60 years. 645 00:29:52,357 --> 00:29:54,857 ♪ ♪ 646 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:58,259 At this point, the cardinals are almost all French 647 00:29:58,329 --> 00:30:01,329 and have become accustomed to the luxurious lifestyle 648 00:30:01,432 --> 00:30:03,272 afforded to them as a thank-you 649 00:30:03,334 --> 00:30:06,544 for the church's loyalty to the French crown. 650 00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:09,438 But outside the walls of the lush papal castle... 651 00:30:09,507 --> 00:30:11,977 ♪ ♪ 652 00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:14,383 The rest of Europe is a wasteland, 653 00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:16,049 setting the stage for what will be 654 00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:20,187 the last papal resignation for 600 years. 655 00:30:21,219 --> 00:30:22,289 - The black death. 656 00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:26,293 This contagious, dreadful disease 657 00:30:26,357 --> 00:30:27,657 devastated Europe. 658 00:30:27,725 --> 00:30:30,955 ♪ ♪ 659 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:33,699 - Pretty much the entire population was wiped out. 660 00:30:33,798 --> 00:30:35,398 ♪ ♪ 661 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,400 narrator: In the wake of the plague, 662 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:40,972 the papacy is forced to reevaluate its role in Europe 663 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,339 and face dire conditions in the city it abandoned. 664 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:46,409 ♪ ♪ 665 00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,681 - With the absence of the papacy from Rome, 666 00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:51,716 the upkeep of the city began to fail. 667 00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:53,416 A great deal of the upkeep of Rome 668 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,748 came out of the pope's coffers. 669 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,693 Now this was all going to France. 670 00:30:57,755 --> 00:31:00,585 Law and order became very, very shaky. 671 00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:03,762 You have a rise in pickpockets and muggings, 672 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,262 because there is no king in Rome, 673 00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:06,533 there is no emperor in Rome, 674 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:08,028 and now there's no pope in Rome. 675 00:31:08,099 --> 00:31:11,599 - The Romans learned, somewhat reluctantly, 676 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:15,173 that the city depended on the presence of the papacy 677 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,710 to flourish, 678 00:31:16,774 --> 00:31:20,114 to become anything more than just a bit of a wreck. 679 00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:23,109 narrator: Fed up with the sheltered confines 680 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:24,854 of Avignon, 681 00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:26,546 Pope Urban V decides 682 00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:29,888 that the papacy has lost sight of its spiritual purpose 683 00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:33,024 and must return to the bones of St. Peter in Rome. 684 00:31:33,091 --> 00:31:40,371 ♪ ♪ 685 00:31:40,431 --> 00:31:43,031 - Urban V, a reform-minded pope, 686 00:31:43,101 --> 00:31:44,741 is appalled by the luxury. 687 00:31:44,802 --> 00:31:46,142 He was appalled 688 00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:48,237 by the self-indulgence in Avignon. 689 00:31:48,306 --> 00:31:49,906 He announced to the cardinals 690 00:31:49,974 --> 00:31:51,614 that they could only have one course at dinner 691 00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:53,649 rather than their usual ten-course banquet. 692 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,475 And it had increasingly become clear 693 00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:57,821 that as long as the papacy 694 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,946 was tied to the fortunes of any country 695 00:32:02,053 --> 00:32:04,263 that the ability to act as a spiritual leader 696 00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:05,962 would be seriously compromised. 697 00:32:06,057 --> 00:32:08,327 He was convicted that the papacy needed 698 00:32:08,426 --> 00:32:10,326 to return to its home in Rome... 699 00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:13,766 But it's not an easy transition. 700 00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:16,501 ♪ ♪ 701 00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:18,241 narrator: The cardinals, who had become 702 00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:20,943 used to their indulgent lifestyle in Avignon, 703 00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:23,465 did not appreciate the rundown conditions 704 00:32:23,574 --> 00:32:25,484 of the fallen city. 705 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:29,111 But Pope Urban V and his successor, 706 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:31,850 another Frenchman, Gregory XI, 707 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,320 remained firm in their spiritual conviction 708 00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:37,689 that the papacy belongs at the tomb of St. Peter. 709 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,459 - There is a lot of resentment 710 00:32:39,524 --> 00:32:42,364 about their having to sort of come down in the world, 711 00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,030 which I think just shows 712 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,498 what a cushioned, isolated existence 713 00:32:46,597 --> 00:32:48,197 they were living in Avignon. 714 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:51,999 That you have a Europe that's been devastated by the plague, 715 00:32:52,103 --> 00:32:53,603 that the entire social structure 716 00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:54,711 of Europe has changed, 717 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:55,866 that in some places 718 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,984 90% of the population has died, 719 00:32:58,042 --> 00:33:00,482 but the primary concern of the college of cardinals 720 00:33:00,545 --> 00:33:03,145 is that they're not getting enough courses for dinner. 721 00:33:03,214 --> 00:33:05,184 So you definitely have a sense in which 722 00:33:05,283 --> 00:33:06,523 during the Avignon papacy, 723 00:33:06,617 --> 00:33:09,047 it has gotten so out of touch 724 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,723 with what the church is supposed to be doing. 725 00:33:14,158 --> 00:33:18,228 narrator: When Pope Gregory XI dies in 1378, 726 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:22,229 many of the cardinals prepare to move back to Avignon, 727 00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:24,573 but the frustrated Romans call for a sign 728 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:28,509 that the papacy has freed itself from the French crown 729 00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:31,083 and will return to the principles of the church 730 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:33,305 they once knew. 731 00:33:33,378 --> 00:33:36,878 ♪ ♪ 732 00:33:36,981 --> 00:33:40,221 - The Roman population, who were always very volatile 733 00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:44,318 and who regularly intervened in papal elections, 734 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:47,059 after a long string of French popes, 735 00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:49,728 were determined to have an Italian pope. 736 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,102 narrator: The conclave of 1378 737 00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:55,267 is met with angry mobs of Romans 738 00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,396 chanting outside the Vatican, 739 00:33:57,502 --> 00:33:59,842 demanding a renewed papal investment 740 00:33:59,904 --> 00:34:01,944 in their beloved city. 741 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,670 And though the cardinals miss 742 00:34:03,741 --> 00:34:06,781 their extravagant French lifestyle, 743 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:08,278 they worry what might happen 744 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:10,879 if the Romans' demands are not met. 745 00:34:10,948 --> 00:34:14,548 - And so an Italian pope, Urban VI, was elected. 746 00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:19,289 ♪ ♪ 747 00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:21,430 But he seems to have been unhinged 748 00:34:21,526 --> 00:34:23,126 by becoming the pope. 749 00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:26,627 Instantly reveals himself to be a megalomaniac, 750 00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:29,301 locking up people who didn't agree with him, 751 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,540 so instead of being a unifying figure, 752 00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:34,142 he becomes a symbol of division. 753 00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,638 ♪ ♪ 754 00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,311 narrator: Half of the cardinals stand behind 755 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:41,379 the maniacal Pope Urban VI in Rome... 756 00:34:41,446 --> 00:34:43,106 ♪ ♪ 757 00:34:43,214 --> 00:34:46,284 While the other half panic and flee back to Avignon, 758 00:34:46,384 --> 00:34:49,294 where they elect another pope, 759 00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:50,817 Clement VII. 760 00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:53,792 ♪ ♪ 761 00:34:53,891 --> 00:34:56,631 The once-universal church is now split. 762 00:34:56,727 --> 00:34:59,597 ♪ ♪ 763 00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:02,634 Catholics are torn between two different popes 764 00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:05,643 running two functioning church bureaucracies 765 00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:07,566 from two different places. 766 00:35:07,638 --> 00:35:09,668 ♪ ♪ 767 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,184 - There was an election of a pope, 768 00:35:11,275 --> 00:35:12,605 and some people didn't like that election, 769 00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:14,147 so some people say, 770 00:35:14,245 --> 00:35:16,775 "We're gonna set up a church someplace else." 771 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,689 And so this becomes a very big battle. 772 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,585 - So in solving one problem, 773 00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:23,823 getting the pope back to Rome, 774 00:35:23,921 --> 00:35:26,021 you've created a much worse one. 775 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,864 - We went through a long period 776 00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:31,459 when there were always at least two different people 777 00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:33,029 claiming to be pope. 778 00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:36,872 narrator: This unprecedented break in the church 779 00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:40,868 is what Catholics refer to as the Western schism. 780 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:43,212 - You've got popes saying, "I am pope," 781 00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:45,637 and some popes are classed as antipopes, 782 00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:47,480 because other people don't recognize them, 783 00:35:47,545 --> 00:35:48,475 but who is the antipope? 784 00:35:48,546 --> 00:35:49,506 Who is the real pope? 785 00:35:49,614 --> 00:35:52,224 ♪ ♪ 786 00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:53,846 narrator: For nearly 40 years, 787 00:35:53,951 --> 00:35:56,051 the church is divided. 788 00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:58,658 And Catholics are forced to choose 789 00:35:58,723 --> 00:36:01,233 the true heir to St. Peter's legacy. 790 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:03,385 ♪ ♪ 791 00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:05,804 - Where is the place that we are centered? 792 00:36:05,863 --> 00:36:09,303 That needs to flow from the pope. 793 00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:11,297 What do you do if you have two popes? 794 00:36:11,369 --> 00:36:13,369 Then it becomes a real problem for the church, 795 00:36:13,471 --> 00:36:15,171 and you've got to sort that out. 796 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,909 ♪ ♪ 797 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:21,709 - This schism made a mockery of the whole idea of the pope 798 00:36:21,812 --> 00:36:23,412 and the vicar of Christ 799 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:26,054 being the successor of Peter. 800 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:27,990 narrator: If there is one St. Peter, 801 00:36:28,052 --> 00:36:30,092 he can only have one legacy, 802 00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:33,488 held by only one man. 803 00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:35,558 Two popes become a clear sign 804 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:38,200 that the spiritual source of papal power 805 00:36:38,262 --> 00:36:39,662 has been abandoned. 806 00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:41,930 - Having two popes is impossible. 807 00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:43,703 It's shattering for Christendom. 808 00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:48,508 Reformers say, "We've got to do something about this." 809 00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:51,284 narrator: With the future of the church 810 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:52,775 hanging in the balance, 811 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:54,277 in 1415, 812 00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:58,118 cardinals on both sides look for a solution. 813 00:36:59,417 --> 00:37:03,547 - They convene a general council at Constance, 814 00:37:03,621 --> 00:37:06,461 and the popes involved are summoned 815 00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:09,027 and either deposed or invited to resign. 816 00:37:09,093 --> 00:37:10,763 ♪ ♪ 817 00:37:10,861 --> 00:37:13,461 narrator: Both the Roman pope Gregory XII 818 00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:16,274 and the Avignon pope Benedict XII 819 00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:18,937 are forced to resign. 820 00:37:19,036 --> 00:37:21,406 ♪ ♪ 821 00:37:21,472 --> 00:37:23,242 In 1415, 822 00:37:23,307 --> 00:37:25,737 Pope Gregory XII will be the last pope 823 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,810 to leave the office alive... 824 00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,123 until 2013, 825 00:37:31,215 --> 00:37:33,145 when Pope Benedict XVI 826 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,251 makes a shocking announcement. 827 00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:39,459 ♪ ♪ 828 00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:44,432 [dramatic music] 829 00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:46,095 - The last time a pope resigned 830 00:37:46,163 --> 00:37:48,633 happened just about 600 years ago. 831 00:37:48,733 --> 00:37:50,673 That would be Pope Gregory XII 832 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:53,238 back in 1415. 833 00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:54,844 ♪ ♪ 834 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:55,939 narrator: Throughout the history 835 00:37:56,007 --> 00:37:57,337 of the Catholic Church, 836 00:37:57,441 --> 00:38:00,851 only four popes have ever resigned, 837 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:02,645 and Pope Benedict XVI 838 00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:05,577 is the only one who has ever done it peacefully 839 00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:07,320 and of his own volition. 840 00:38:07,418 --> 00:38:08,948 ♪ ♪ 841 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:12,120 But what does it mean to have two living popes? 842 00:38:13,624 --> 00:38:17,264 How can two men hold one legacy of St. Peter? 843 00:38:17,328 --> 00:38:18,828 ♪ ♪ 844 00:38:18,929 --> 00:38:21,829 [bell tolling] 845 00:38:21,932 --> 00:38:25,672 ♪ ♪ 846 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:27,470 - Everyone was surprised. 847 00:38:27,538 --> 00:38:31,538 Catholics were surprised. Non-Catholics were surprised. 848 00:38:31,642 --> 00:38:34,452 It was a strong contrast to John Paul II, 849 00:38:34,512 --> 00:38:36,312 who insisted on remaining pope 850 00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:38,550 until his dying gasp. 851 00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:40,479 narrator: In 2005, 852 00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:43,221 after reigning for 27 years, 853 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,661 Pope John Paul II passed away 854 00:38:45,723 --> 00:38:49,963 after a long and public battle with Parkinson's disease. 855 00:38:50,027 --> 00:38:51,997 - In a way, the act of resignation 856 00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:54,703 was a devastating comment 857 00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:57,969 on the last five or six years of his predecessor. 858 00:38:58,035 --> 00:38:59,895 [cheers and applause] 859 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:01,474 A flight in the face 860 00:39:01,539 --> 00:39:03,669 of the whole theology of the papacy 861 00:39:03,741 --> 00:39:06,811 as it had evolved in modern times, 862 00:39:06,877 --> 00:39:11,047 the notion that John Paul had propagated 863 00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:13,078 that the papacy was a cross 864 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,594 which was laid on your shoulders, 865 00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:16,345 and you could not shake it off. 866 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:18,690 Benedict said, "Well, it's a job, 867 00:39:18,756 --> 00:39:20,586 "and if you can't do it, 868 00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:23,161 you should let somebody else try." 869 00:39:23,227 --> 00:39:25,757 narrator: By resigning in the face of old age, 870 00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:28,903 Pope Benedict XVI has made a clear statement 871 00:39:28,999 --> 00:39:31,369 about the divinity of the papal office. 872 00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:34,436 - But I think that was a reminder to everybody 873 00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:36,608 in any position of authority or power, 874 00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:38,707 that it's not just about me. 875 00:39:38,776 --> 00:39:39,876 It's actually about, 876 00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:41,584 am I being effective? 877 00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,279 Am I really serving the community 878 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,452 and serving the church properly? 879 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:48,790 - What Benedict did in resigning 880 00:39:48,886 --> 00:39:51,856 was to make it easier for successive popes 881 00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:53,792 to be able to say, "I'm 80 years old. 882 00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:55,231 "I'm not gonna stay 883 00:39:55,292 --> 00:39:57,292 until I fall down dead in this office." 884 00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:00,925 That's thinking more like a CEO than anything else. 885 00:40:02,566 --> 00:40:04,066 - Alighting from the helicopter, 886 00:40:04,135 --> 00:40:05,595 Francis thanks the pilots, 887 00:40:05,703 --> 00:40:07,103 then, seeing his predecessor, 888 00:40:07,204 --> 00:40:09,614 goes toward him to embrace him. 889 00:40:09,707 --> 00:40:13,577 This is a historic moment. 890 00:40:13,644 --> 00:40:15,554 - There's not any kind of precedent 891 00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:17,723 for Benedict's resignation. 892 00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:19,422 He really did do it voluntarily 893 00:40:19,483 --> 00:40:21,553 and of his own behalf. 894 00:40:21,619 --> 00:40:28,629 ♪ ♪ 895 00:40:29,393 --> 00:40:31,733 narrator: Today, Pope Benedict XVI 896 00:40:31,796 --> 00:40:35,466 lives in a quiet apartment in the Vatican. 897 00:40:35,566 --> 00:40:36,896 He has passed the holy office 898 00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:38,937 peacefully down to Pope Francis, 899 00:40:39,003 --> 00:40:42,313 leaving the power struggles of the past behind. 900 00:40:42,406 --> 00:40:45,006 - The biggest gift that ever happened to the papacy 901 00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:46,839 is Pope Benedict XVI resigning, 902 00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:50,824 because he allowed the papacy not to become a trap. 903 00:40:50,915 --> 00:40:55,185 ♪ ♪ 904 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,316 - In terms of looking to the future, 905 00:40:57,421 --> 00:41:00,121 as any pope begins to get older 906 00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:02,991 or begins to have any difficulties, 907 00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,803 the question of resignation 908 00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:07,133 will be on the horizon. 909 00:41:07,198 --> 00:41:09,028 ♪ ♪ 910 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,803 - Francis has also talked about resigning, 911 00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:14,939 and one, you don't know how serious he is. 912 00:41:15,005 --> 00:41:16,935 He's a mischievous man, 913 00:41:17,007 --> 00:41:18,137 and he's got an agenda, 914 00:41:18,209 --> 00:41:19,709 and he's an old man, 915 00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:22,710 and I think he'll want to see that agenda out first. 916 00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:26,523 But it may be that he has learned the lesson 917 00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:31,057 of watching John Paul II collapse into helplessness. 918 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:35,530 It would be very interesting if popes now said, 919 00:41:35,626 --> 00:41:37,326 "Right, I've done my bit. 920 00:41:37,394 --> 00:41:38,704 Someone else can have a go." 921 00:41:38,796 --> 00:41:41,226 ♪ ♪ 922 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:44,002 narrator: In announcing his voluntary retirement, 923 00:41:44,068 --> 00:41:47,238 Pope Benedict has shaken the foundation of the papacy. 924 00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:51,382 If Pope Francis retires as well, 925 00:41:51,475 --> 00:41:53,575 a 2,000-year-old institution 926 00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:56,407 could be fundamentally changed forever. 927 00:41:56,514 --> 00:42:01,894 ♪ ♪ 928 00:42:01,944 --> 00:42:06,494 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66893

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