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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,760 Tonight on History's Greatest Mysteries... 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,080 Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,040 that one of the strange discs had been found and inspected. 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,320 In 1947, something crashed in the desert in the American 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,760 South-west. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,000 Whatever the object was, it has created shock waves 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,520 still felt today. 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,960 I'm Laurence Fishburne. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,760 Tonight's mystery what crashed in Roswell, New Mexico? 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Was it a flying saucer, as headlines first announced, 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,000 or a secret military aircraft? 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,880 A new investigation seeks answers. 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,360 This might be that piece of the puzzle. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,280 An ex-CIA officer named Ben Smith has obtained a cryptic journal. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,920 It was found among the papers of Major Jesse Marcel, 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,560 the first US Army officer to investigate the wreckage. 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,960 He always said that he was sworn to secrecy. 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,640 Does it contain coded clues to what Marcel really saw? 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,080 It was not anything from this Earth. 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,400 What about stories of alleged alien bodies in the wreckage? 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,920 She said there were little people, and there was some dead 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,080 and some alive. 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,800 Did the US government cover up the truth, and does it still possess 24 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:17,800 the wreckage of a UFO? 25 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:22,080 I do know one name of a man who had pieces of debris. 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,440 The truth behind Roswell according to those who were there. 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,440 A former CIA operative, investigator, and author, 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,040 Ben Smith has been intrigued by Roswell and UFOs for years. 29 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,680 Investigating was at the core of my work at CIA. 30 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,520 I went under deep cover, lived a double life, 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,120 to collect intel on terrorist networks, foreign spy activities, 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,160 even weapons of mass destruction. 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Smith says this may be his most challenging mission trying to figure 34 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,000 out the truth about what really crashed near Roswell, 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,280 New Mexico, in 1947. 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,520 - So this is it, huh? - This, is it? Ground Zero. 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Don Schmitt has written seven bestsellers about Roswell 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,520 and interviewed more people connected to the incident 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,280 than anyone alive. 40 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Taking a look at the impact site now of that crash in '47. 41 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,880 I was a special investigator for the late Dr J Allen Hynek, 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,560 who was consultant to the Air Force Project Blue Book. 43 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,080 I was a sceptic, and the one case that I wanted to investigate 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,600 was Roswell, and for having talked to over 600 witnesses either 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,160 directly or indirectly involved, I am 99% convinced that what indeed 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,480 crashed here back in 1947 was a craft of unknown origin not 47 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,200 manufactured on this planet. 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Ben Smith asked Schmitt to show him the site where the crash 49 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,520 debris was found. 50 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:22,640 This is it, Ben, what we consider the most significant location, 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,640 as far as in the entire history of the UFO phenomenon. 52 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:30,920 It's total isolation. 53 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,280 We could just as well be on the dark side of the moon. 54 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,280 You know, my background is in the CIA, and I have no agenda 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,720 except to explore this mystery, bring some clarity 56 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,400 to some unanswered questions. 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,240 It's thrilling to finally be out here after having read so much 58 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,280 about it, a lot of your work. 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,360 This is where it all began, back in 1947. 60 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,040 In the 1940s, New Mexico was home to some of America's most sensitive 61 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,400 military installations, including where the atomic 62 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,880 bomb was developed. 63 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,040 By the summer of 1947, the US was worried that the Soviets 64 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,200 were building their own atomic bomb, and Americans were worried 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,840 about something else - hundreds of reports of UFOs. 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,800 What is the flying saucer? 67 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,280 What's behind the daily reports of aerial phenomena 68 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,560 in the nation's press? 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,160 These supposed sightings were reported in a number 70 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,880 of newspapers throughout the United States, and they actually 71 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,800 started to grow in number in kind of a mass hysteria. 72 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Much of the activity seemed to be focused in New Mexico, 73 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:48,240 the hotbed of military activity at that time. 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,480 New Mexico became the focus. 75 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,560 Not only the Soviet Union, but also the UFO phenomenon, 76 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,000 as though someone else was very interested 77 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,000 in our military potential. 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,240 By late June 1947, more than a week before the Roswell crash, 79 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,120 residents in the southern part of the state were spooked by nearly 80 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:13,760 70 sightings of UFOs. 81 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,560 But it was just going in a northerly motion in a pretty rapid speed, 82 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,080 but nothing like a falling star or a meteorite. 83 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 So bright, like that, you couldn't look directly at it 84 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,000 very long at a time, and you had to look to the side 85 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,200 of it, just like looking into a bright sun. 86 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,160 Then, on the morning of July 6, 1947, something 87 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,960 even stranger occurred. 88 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,240 Roswell sheriff called the nearby Army Air Field to say that a sheep 89 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,000 rancher had come in with pieces of debris that he believed came 90 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,200 from a crashed flying saucer. 91 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,880 The base's commander was Colonel William H. Blanchard, 92 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,320 a highly decorated military pilot who, in 1945, 93 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,480 had supervised the mission of the Enola Gay, the bomber 94 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,120 that destroyed Hiroshima. 95 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:21,800 By 1947, the base was still home to the 509th, the world's only 96 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,280 nuclear-equipped bomber squadron. 97 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Roswell was the headquarters of the elite military at that time. 98 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,440 The base was always on full alert, because they had the atomic bomb. 99 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,680 In response to the call from the sheriff, Colonel Blanchard 100 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:41,960 dispatched the base's intelligence officer, 101 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,840 Major Jesse Marcel. 102 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,840 With him was Sheridan Cavitt, an agent for Army counterintelligence. 103 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,640 According to Don Schmitt's research, this is what happened next. 104 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,040 Monday morning, July 7th, Jesse Marcel and Sheridan Cavitt 105 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,600 arrive at the debris field with the rancher. 106 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,440 Major Jesse Marcel said the first thing that struck him 107 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,520 was the massive amount of debris. 108 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,120 As he would say, 'There was just so much of it.' Covered an area 109 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,040 almost a mile long. 110 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Interviewed later about what he saw in the debris field, 111 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Marcel claimed it was 3/4 of a mile long, a couple of hundred feet wide. 112 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:40,360 At that point, that material has been out there for days, 113 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,320 and no-one else is looking for it, which would clearly suggest it's 114 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,040 not ours, and if it's not ours, then whose is it? 115 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,080 So Marcel and Cavitt spend the better part of the day out 116 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,120 there looking at this thing and trying to determine what it was. 117 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,840 Marcel picked up different pieces of the debris and put them in boxes 118 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,680 in the trunk of his car. 119 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Cavitt would stay behind and concentrate more on the wreckage 120 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,920 in a general area. 121 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,200 Marcel would make the drive back to Roswell. 122 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,480 What Jesse did next, according to his family, 123 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,320 was an uncharacteristic breach of military protocol. 124 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,440 He knew the material would be classified top-secret the moment it 125 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,920 would cross the front gate at the Roswell Army Air Field. 126 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,920 It was important enough, strange enough, unusual enough that 127 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:54,040 Major Marcel would stop at his home on the way back to the base. 128 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,680 He came back real late one night--about 2:00 in the morning, 129 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,160 as I recall--very excited, because he found parts of a UFO-- 130 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,360 or a flying saucer at that time-- and he wanted me to see it. 131 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,120 Marcel would describe paper-thin, metal-like material, 132 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,040 practically weightless in your hands, that you couldn't 133 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,560 cut, you couldn't burn. 134 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,160 There was silken strands of material that Marcel described that a lighter 135 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,160 could be held to one end and the light would emit out 136 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,320 the opposing end. 137 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Well, they're describing fibre optics in 1947, 138 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,280 yet fibre optics didn't come into development until around 1970, 139 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,560 and then the I-beam structures. 140 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Most unusual part of the debris that I saw was the I-beam fragments. 141 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Jesse Marcel, Jr, spent a lifetime thinking about the strange 142 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,760 materials his father brought home and let him handle. 143 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,760 They were, uh, very light, very strong, and they had some 144 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,920 writing on the inside surface of this, and that was the thing that 145 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,000 really set this apart from anything I had ever seen before. 146 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:21,320 I am on my way to meet with the Marcel family, 147 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,800 the grandchildren of the first American official on the scene 148 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,680 at Roswell in 1947. 149 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Having learned of Ben Smith's investigation, the Marcel family 150 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,080 is eager to talk with him. 151 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,080 They believe they have something he will certainly want to see. 152 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,760 The Roswell incident could potentially be the greatest 153 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,280 event in the history of humankind. 154 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,080 You know, we have, uh, how many--300 trillion stars and 200 155 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,320 billion galaxies and, uh--scattered across, 156 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,000 like, 15 billion light years. 157 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,160 And to think that we're all alone in all of that space is pretty sad. 158 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,600 So I personally want to know, is there anybody out there, 159 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,440 and have they been here? 160 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,360 The Roswell incident has got the potential for physical evidence 161 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,360 and, uh, you know, a host of reliable witnesses 162 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,480 who all describe something the world has never seen before. 163 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,880 There's no way for me to know but to research, 164 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,600 to start at the bottom and work my way through the facts. 165 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:41,240 The Marcel family has a journal belonging to their grandfather. 166 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,400 This journal could change the entire story 167 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,360 about what happened in Roswell. 168 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:03,560 Hi. Jesse Marcel. 169 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,440 - Jesse, pleasure to meet you. Ben. - Ben. 170 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Nice to finally meet you. Come on in. 171 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,480 My brother and sister are here as well. 172 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,960 I first saw the journal going through some military 173 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,840 documents of my grandfather, and it was just in with 174 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,320 the military documents. 175 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Here's the diary. 176 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,600 Oh, OK. Wow. 177 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,880 He put it in a cedar chest, and it was in there till 178 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,080 the day he died. 179 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,160 There's something very important about that journal. 180 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,200 - This is pretty wild. - Right? 181 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,920 Until now, no-one outside the Marcel family has ever seen this journal. 182 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,160 Does it contain fresh details about what really happened in Roswell? 183 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,440 January 4th, 1946 to 1948. 184 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,240 See, that would have been a year--almost a year after. 185 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,720 About a year after August--almost exactly a year. 186 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,560 Ben Smith's investigation of the Roswell incident has 187 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,560 taken him to Spokane, Washington, to meet the grandchildren 188 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,320 of Jesse Marcel, who believe they have a crucial 189 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,560 piece of evidence. 190 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,240 Boy, this really does run the gamut then. 191 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,880 It starts before Roswell and ends about a year afterwards. 192 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,760 - Right. - Yep. 193 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,520 After his death, Marcel's family found a journal hidden 194 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:21,360 with his military records that he had never shared with anyone. 195 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,360 There's something very important about that journal. 196 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,320 There are entries dated from around the time of Roswell, 197 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,360 but the notations are strange and confusing. 198 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,200 Could they be coded clues to what Marcel really saw? 199 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,600 Why was he writing movie quotes? 200 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,160 - Or songs? - Uh-hmm. 201 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,320 How into pop culture and movie and books was your grandfather? 202 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,240 We never talked about that with our grandfather. 203 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,400 No. 204 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:47,520 You know, it could also be something like a mnemonic device, 205 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,720 where you memorize something totally different from the subject matter 206 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,440 so that it prompts your recall later. 207 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,040 Ben wonders if their grandfather, a seasoned intelligence officer, 208 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,000 was trying to hide information because he'd been warned never 209 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,200 to reveal the truth about the UFO. 210 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,280 Since he worked in intelligence, you're not gonna state out, 211 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,400 'Oh, wow, I just found a UFO.' You know, you're not gonna write it 212 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,040 out like that, you're gonna be kind of cryptic about it, 213 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,240 because you don't want anybody else to maybe see what you're writing. 214 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000 At one point the military came back and said, 'Yeah, 215 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040 you've got to stop making this stuff up about the--the UFO crash,' 216 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,040 and he grabbed his medals and threw them away. 217 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,200 Says he was done. He was done, and he--he was very upset. 218 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,320 Jesse Marcel was born in 1907 in the bayou country of southern Louisiana. 219 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,280 His childhood fascination with maps would lead to a job with Shell Oil 220 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,680 where he worked with aerial photographs. 221 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,360 This combination of skills made him an obvious candidate for Air Force 222 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,920 intelligence school after America went to war in 1942. 223 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,160 Lieutenant Marcel's job, mapping targets for bomber squadrons 224 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,920 in the Pacific, earned him two Air Medals and a Bronze Star. 225 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,800 When World War II ended, Marcel, with a young family to support, 226 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,880 decided to stay in the military, receiving a plum assignment 227 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,160 with the Army Air Force's most elite unit, the 509th Bomber Squadron 228 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,720 based in Roswell. 229 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,120 He always said that he was sworn to secrecy, so he never shared 230 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,040 everything that had happened out there. 231 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,200 But whatever he saw was so significant, he was willing 232 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,240 to take a chance with his entire military career to show his son 233 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,080 and his wife this stuff. 234 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,160 The Marcels say that after stopping at home to show the debris 235 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,520 to his wife and son, Jesse arrived at the Roswell Army Air Field 236 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,320 for the regular morning officer's meeting. 237 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,920 He presented this strange debris he'd collected to the base's 238 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,880 commanding officer, Colonel William H. Blanchard. 239 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Blanchard ordered his public affairs officer, 240 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,000 First Lieutenant Walter Haut, to issue an immediate press release. 241 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,800 I was instructed by Colonel Blanchard to put out 242 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:04,160 a press release which, in effect, stated that we had in our possession 243 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,760 a flying saucer. 244 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,760 As soon as that hit the Roswell Daily Record, 245 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,440 was broadcast by the local radio station, it went--they didn't use 246 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,800 that term back then, but it went viral across the whole globe. 247 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,560 Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested 248 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,280 that the widely publicized mystery of the flying saucers may 249 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,440 soon be solved. 250 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,080 Army Air Force officers reported that one of the strange discs had 251 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,480 been found and inspected sometime last week. 252 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,840 As news that a flying saucer had been discovered spread around 253 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,440 the world, the Army chain of command took control. 254 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,880 Millions of Americans believe that what happened next, 255 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,800 the effort to conceal the UFO crash, is one of the greatest cover-ups 256 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,000 in US history. 257 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Colonel Blanchard ordered Major Marcel to fly 258 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,520 to Carswell Army Air Field in Fort Worth, Texas, 259 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,160 to present the material to Brigadier General Roger Ramey, 260 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,840 head of the Eighth Air Force, commanding officer over the 590th 261 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Bomb Group. 262 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,600 Marcel thought he was flying to Fort Worth with pieces 263 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,440 of flying saucer debris. 264 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,440 Major Marcel would arrive at Fort Worth approximately 4:00 265 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,880 that afternoon, and he presented the material. 266 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,480 Ramey took Marcel to an adjoining map room. 267 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,720 When Marcel would return with the general, back 268 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,920 to his office, the real material was gone. 269 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,320 In its place was a weather balloon. 270 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,920 The Army called a hasty press conference. 271 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,440 It's at the moment, according to Schmitt, 272 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,920 that the alleged cover-up begins. 273 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,920 Ladies and gentlemen, mystery solved. 274 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,080 It's just a weather balloon device. 275 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,880 Nothing to worry about, and the press accepted it. 276 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,920 All the personnel at the base were ordered never to bring it up 277 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,440 again, never to talk about what had transpired, 278 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,200 and they got away with it. 279 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,920 31 years later, however, the man at the centre of the Roswell 280 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,880 incident from the very beginning came forward with what he said 281 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,600 was the real story. 282 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,200 The following morning we went out to the site where the crash was, 283 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,520 and what I saw, I couldn't believe. 284 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Marcel says in interviews, 'That's not the stuff 285 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,640 I brought from Roswell. 286 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,600 In a 1980 interview for the series 'In Search of, with Leonard Nimoy,' 287 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,640 Marcel claims he was forced to go along with a cover-up. 288 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:49,800 They took pictures, of course. 289 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,320 They had a whole flock of microphones there. 290 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,200 They wanted me to--they wanted some comments from me, 291 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:58,200 but I wasn't at liberty to do that. 292 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:02,640 So all I could do is keep my mouth shut, and General Ramey is the one 293 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,520 who discussed--told the paper--the newspapers-I mean, the newsmen--what 294 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,560 it was and to forget about it. 295 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,320 It was nothing more than a weather observation balloon. 296 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,800 Of course, we both knew differently. 297 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,840 I had never seen anything like that before. 298 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,600 As of now, I don't know what it was. 299 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,680 It was not anything from this Earth, that I'm quite sure of. 300 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,960 Watching this interview with his grandchildren, 301 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,520 you can really feel the emotion in the room. 302 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Marcel claimed the military swore him to secrecy 303 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,080 and hid the truth. 304 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,800 For his family, it was a government cover-up, plain and simple. 305 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,760 Our grandpa wasn't really a public person. 306 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,720 He didn't want the spotlight. He didn't. 307 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,160 In fact, he kind of shied away from it but I really think that this 308 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,400 gave him a way to release a lot of weight on his shoulders. 309 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,880 This was, like, a cleansing, in a way, a way just to let 310 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,040 off--this off his chest, going to kind of go where 311 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,440 it's gonna go. 312 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,920 I mean, he's incredibly courageous. 313 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,560 I don't--there's--there are very few intelligence officers who ever come 314 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,680 forward in public about what they did. 315 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,360 So there's a very admirable trait of bravery. 316 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,160 He stood up for what he believed, and he went out. 317 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,440 And he spoke to everyone, and that--that takes guts, 318 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,880 and then to deal with the blowback. 319 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,280 He felt that there was an importance for it to come out, to be seen, 320 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,320 you know, that something did occur. 321 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,640 You know, I think he was really upset that they made him the fall 322 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,360 guy, and that he couldn't believe that it still--at this point, 323 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,920 that it was still being covered up, and I think he did want it to be 324 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,000 out, but at the same point, he knew that there were secrets that 325 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,760 had to stay secret. 326 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,080 I think Grandpa wanted us to learn more. 327 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,160 I think he was--really wanted to tell everything he knew about it. 328 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,120 That's the reason I think there's evidence out there that he did. 329 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,560 We've just got to get to it. 330 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,320 Jesse Marcel's grandchildren hope the journal will vindicate him 331 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,120 by revealing the truth about what really crashed at Roswell 332 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,200 and the cover-up they say he was forced to participate in. 333 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,160 Somebody comes out and says, 'You know what? 334 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,840 'He served his country well and we apologise for making him go 335 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960 'through this,' and also, my father. 336 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:09,680 I want some vindication for him too. 337 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,960 I probably won't have answers immediately, just looking at it. 338 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:16,680 But over time, and as we start to build the investigation, 339 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,080 perhaps some of these clues will--will come into focus. 340 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,800 This could be a game changer - the rest of the story 341 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,440 about what happened at Roswell from its most important witness. 342 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:38,800 During his investigation, Smith will work with Joe Pappalardo, 343 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,440 a veteran journalist who specialises in aviation. 344 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,560 My investigation really starts from this man here, 345 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,520 Jesse Marcel, Sr, the chief of intelligence at the 509th 346 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,560 Bomber Group at Roswell Army Air Force Base. 347 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Jesse Marcel, Sr, kept a small Army portfolio of his military records, 348 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,040 and in it a small journal. 349 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Jesse Marcel, the man at the centre of the claim that Roswell 350 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,240 was a cover-up, kept this journal among his most important papers. 351 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,480 Obviously, it was very valuable to him. 352 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,120 The question is, is it a key to my investigation? 353 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,120 Some of the dates described in the journal capture 1947. 354 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,080 It's a remarkable piece of history, 355 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,920 and nobody really knows about it yet. 356 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,360 You're right to be excited. 357 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,920 If this is real--if this is an actual journal from that time, 358 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,280 it would represent a primary source document from that era. 359 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,920 So that's the thing that you want to go after, as a researcher. 360 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,520 I would like to take a look at what you've got, 361 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,440 to see a little bit more about this diary. 362 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,080 Let me actually bring it up on the projector here. 363 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,480 This is the notebook here. 364 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,840 Right away, I see a typical Army field issue notebook. 365 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,360 So here we have a date 1946. 366 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,640 This entire journal comes from when he was at Roswell. 367 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,800 Correct. 368 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,760 Our date here--we have August 31, 1947, about six weeks, 369 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:14,120 seven weeks after the US Army Corps put out their infamous UFO crash 370 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,280 at Roswell, flying disc. 371 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,080 There's beautiful cursive handwriting, and then, 372 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,520 if we fast forward, shift to this kind of erratic, 373 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:30,120 mixed-case, blocky lettering, and I can't make sense of it. 374 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Couple of things leap to mind immediately when you see a change 375 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,640 that's this drastic. 376 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,720 It's impossible not to notice that it's different. 377 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840 It's either a different person writing it, or it's the same person 378 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,160 in different mindset. 379 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,920 Is that by design or is that just unintentional? 380 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,800 The content seems the same. 381 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,040 How does the journal compare with the time line of the incident? 382 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,760 Well, there's--there's no mention of--of Roswell at all, 383 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,160 no mention of any events, no mention of any wreckage. 384 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,320 It's just these jokes and quotes and musings and ideas captured 385 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,360 in different handwriting, and there's only sporadic dates. 386 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,080 They read like quotes from 'Reader's Digest.' 387 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,640 'Life is what you make it until someone comes along and changes it.' 388 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,480 'Two half-brothers make one.' 'Well, now that I'm too old to set a bad 389 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,560 example, I delight in giving good advice. 390 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,360 So it meant something to him but no-one knows what. 391 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Yeah. 392 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,680 He's a soldier. He was in charge of intelligence at the 509th. 393 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,400 He knew a lot of secrets. 394 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,400 He took them very seriously. 395 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,960 It's kind of hard to imagine the seriousness that people back 396 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,040 then took secrecy and took nuclear secrecy. 397 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,200 And nuclear weapons, in particular. 398 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:47,120 I mean, there were hordes of Soviet spies trying to get this information 399 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,280 at the time. 400 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,920 In 1947, the United States and the Soviet Union were already 401 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,280 Cold War enemies. 402 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,560 The US possessed nuclear weapons, while the Soviets did not. 403 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,280 Major Jesse Marcel and his colleagues in the 509th 404 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Bomber Squadron wanted to keep it that way. 405 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,920 They were basically the only nuclear bombing group in the world. 406 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,840 He was entrusted with the biggest secrets that the military has. 407 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,000 One thing that the Marcel children insist on is that their grandfather 408 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,080 was absolutely certain that the debris that he was holding 409 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,400 in this photo right here, the official government photo, 410 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,120 that was in the press release, is not the debris that he found 411 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,640 in the field. 412 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,600 I see my grandfather holding up something that he knew that wasn't 413 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,720 what he found. 414 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,120 He was adamant that this was not what he saw in the debris field. 415 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,960 I see a man that is not liking what they're having him do, 416 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,880 but he knows he has to do it, because that's his job. 417 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,920 That's not what he found, and at that point in time, 418 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,680 I'm sure he kind of felt, 'Well, maybe I'm going to be made out to be 419 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,840 a fall guy.' 420 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,600 Keeping a secret is one thing, but telling a lie is another, 421 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,520 and being the face of that lie in the newspaper could break a man 422 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,840 like Jesse Marcel. 423 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,080 That could explain the difference in the journal as well. 424 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,120 Someone under that much stress, who knows how that manifests? 425 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,640 It's different handwriting cause you're in a different mental state. 426 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,120 What made the writing so cryptic, and why did it suddenly change? 427 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,760 Did it have to do with the UFO or its passengers? 428 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,920 OK, so you've got this hot piece of evidence in your hands. 429 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840 How do you plan on verifying that it's real? 430 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,080 I think the first step is to authenticate the document itself. 431 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,360 Is this dated to the time period, or is this a re-creation? 432 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,880 If we can exclude the fact that it's a forgery, then we're winning. 433 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,160 Do the forensics first to make sure that it's actually of the era. 434 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Yeah. 435 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,160 Another interesting question, why did he have it? 436 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,840 Why was it so important to him that he kept it and left it 437 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960 among his things to pass on to his children? 438 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,280 And then the third tier is trying to figure out what the hell it says? 439 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,000 You've got your work cut out for you on this one. 440 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,360 To further his investigation of Marcel's journal, 441 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,560 Ben Smith contacts Jennifer Naso, a leading handwriting expert. 442 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,120 She will perform a forensic analysis on the document to determine if it's 443 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,480 genuine or a forgery, and also whether Jesse Marcel 444 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,840 wrote it himself. 445 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,720 I understand you worked for the Secret Service. 446 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,840 I did. I completed my training with the Secret Service and worked 447 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,000 there for a number of years. 448 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,880 I used to work for the CIA, so we have a little bit of, 449 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040 like, USG connection going on. 450 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,680 My name is Jennifer Naso. 451 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,480 I'm a forensic document examiner, and what I do is I receive documents 452 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,080 that are in question, and I analyse them to 453 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,880 determine their authenticity. 454 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,760 At the Secret Service, I authenticated a lot of the threat 455 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,080 letters that came in. 456 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,000 We also did a lot of work with documents that 457 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,920 were false and forged. 458 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,920 I do have a very interesting document that I need your help 459 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,760 authenticating - a document belonging to the first guy on the scene 460 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,160 of the alleged Roswell incident in 1947. 461 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280 - OK. - A man named Jesse Marcel, Sr. 462 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,960 This could potentially hold Marcel's private thoughts about the incidents 463 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,160 that July, about the crash, about the materials, 464 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,880 about the potential cover-up. 465 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,120 So I need to determine that this is not in fact a forgery. 466 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,760 If the journal was written by Jesse Marcel in 1947, 467 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,680 could it hold the key to unlocking the mystery of Roswell? 468 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560 I do have a very interesting document that I need 469 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,560 your help authenticating. 470 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,840 Former CIA operative Ben Smith has brought Jesse Marcel's mysterious 471 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,080 journal to a forensic document examiner for testing. 472 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,280 This could potentially hold Marcel's private thoughts 473 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,080 about the incidents that July. 474 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,000 Marcel was the first investigator at the Roswell crash site. 475 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,800 While the US Army claimed the wreckage was from a weather balloon, 476 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,360 Marcel's family alleges something different - that the journal may hold 477 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,920 coded clues about what really happened. 478 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240 I would like to believe the journal is going to give us the truth we've 479 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,160 been looking for for the last 70 years. 480 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,880 So I see most of the document is written in a cursive writing. 481 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,120 Mm-hm. 482 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,480 And then when you get to the end, it changes to a print writing. 483 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,720 Yeah. 484 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,760 It may be an indication that there were two different writers 485 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,040 in this journal. 486 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,120 That I would have to do a more thorough investigation 487 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,520 in order to determine. 488 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680 It's important to authenticate historical documents, 489 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,360 because it can turn the tables in terms of what we know 490 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,080 versus what we thought we knew. 491 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,240 The date of the document is important to note, 492 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,760 because what I'm gonna do is static dating. 493 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,360 We know the introduction dates of certain elements of the paper 494 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,520 or the inks. 495 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,000 We can see whether or not they were available during the time 496 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,360 that this document was purportedly produced. 497 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Some of the dates in the journal itself range from 1946 to 1948 498 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,800 and '49, so they cover the period of the Roswell incident, 499 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,280 but one of my biggest concerns about this document is forgery. 500 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720 I want to make sure that this document is real. 501 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,400 What can you tell me about what you've seen 502 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,880 in forged documents? 503 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Have you seen forgeries of this length before? 504 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,160 I have not, but there is a famous case where there were several 505 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,760 diaries purportedly written by Hitler. 506 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,200 On April 25, 1983, the West German magazine 'Stern' announced 507 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,480 that it was in possession of never-before-seen diaries written 508 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,680 by Adolf Hitler that could rewrite the history of World War II. 509 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,640 'Stern' had paid close to $4 million for the diaries and sold the rights 510 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,720 to other major publications around the world. 511 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Totalling 60 volumes, the writings were authenticated 512 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,000 by several prominent historians. 513 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,360 But just days before publication, the diaries were exposed as fakes. 514 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,400 A forensics analysis by the West German Archives quickly 515 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320 discovered that the diaries were made from a kind of paper 516 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,000 and ink that wasn't even invented until after World War II. 517 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Their author was a prolific East German forger named 518 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,120 Konrad Kujau, who wrote out his own confession in the style 519 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,920 of Hitler's penmanship. 520 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,360 The way that they ended up determining that they were 521 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440 fraudulent is because the paper contains optical brighteners that 522 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400 were not available until after Hitler's death. 523 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560 Interesting. You know, there's always conspiracy 524 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,120 in every corner that I look. 525 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,800 How long do you think it will take? 526 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Um, usually it takes a few weeks. 527 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,200 Oh, it does. OK. 528 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,280 Especially something of this magnitude. 529 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,440 While Jennifer Naso performs a forensics analysis of the journal, 530 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,760 Smith asks a team of archaeologists and geophysicists to meet him 531 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,720 at the debris field. 532 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,320 He hopes state-of-the-art technology will find signs that something more 533 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,120 powerful than a balloon crashed here. 534 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,760 Even 70 years later, if we can find evidence that 535 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920 what crashed here was not a balloon, it could prove that Jesse Marcel 536 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,160 was telling the truth--that whatever crashed here was not of this world. 537 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,120 According to author Kevin Randle, the weather balloon explanation put 538 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,960 forward by the military at that 1947 press conference blindsided not only 539 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Jesse Marcel but also Mack Brazel, the rancher who found the wreckage. 540 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120 General Ramey of course trotted it out--'It's a weather balloon.' 541 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,560 The problem with that is Mack Brazel knew what weather 542 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640 balloons looked like. 543 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,880 This is Bill Brazel's memory of how his dad reacted. 544 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,440 He said that's what the Air Force tried to make him believe, 545 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,760 that it was a weather balloon. 546 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,400 He said, 'Bill,' he said, 'It was not a weather balloon.' 547 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,960 He said, 'I don't know what it was.' But he said, 548 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,760 'It was something altogether different, and much bigger.' 549 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,880 In this 1991 interview, Jud Roberts, manager of Roswell's local radio 550 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,160 station KGFL, says that local residents were very familiar 551 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,320 with the military's weather balloons. 552 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360 Oh, well, weather balloons were being launched 553 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,880 about a block from us every night. 554 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,720 So weather balloons per se were not that--not that interesting to us. 555 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,240 If local residents were indeed familiar with weather balloons, 556 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,320 is it likely Jesse Marcel, an intelligence officer, 557 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,560 could have mistaken a balloon for a flying saucer? 558 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,000 It was definitely not a weather balloon, and, 559 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,800 uh, it was an aircraft. 560 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,920 So what it could have been, I wouldn't know. 561 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,800 You mention Roswell in most places these days and people bring up UFOs. 562 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,080 It's a question, a story, a myth that is known practically worldwide. 563 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,240 Yeah. 564 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,480 Smith has asked Bill Doleman to join the team of experts 565 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,080 at the debris field. 566 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,440 Doleman is the former principal investigator for the University 567 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,760 of New Mexico's Office of Contract Archaeology. 568 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,680 Of all the disputed locations, this is the one that is least disputed. 569 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,080 You're the only one who's actually done a dig out there. 570 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:11,800 - That's correct. - And you've done two of them. 571 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:12,880 Two. 572 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:17,160 Doleman made two previous expeditions to the debris field, 573 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,800 in 2002 and 2006, but he's hopeful that using new technology might 574 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,000 uncover fresh evidence. 575 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,760 Bringing archaeological skills to a potential debris site, 576 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,200 I'm hoping that we can turn up some fresh, new evidence. 577 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,840 So what hit the debris field? 578 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000 There are a lot of conflicting accounts. 579 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,600 A craft? Just debris? 580 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,360 Some people saw a meteor-like object. 581 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,760 What do you recommend we do first? 582 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,560 Start with the archaeology dig, or deploy the drone technology? 583 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,480 We definitely deploy the drone technology, 584 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,400 because the archaeology comes in where they identify anomalies 585 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,120 that we can then go investigate using our standard archaeological 586 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,800 methods. 587 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560 There isn't a US government map with this marked, 588 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,680 but I actually happen to have a journal that belonged 589 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,160 to Jesse Marcel, Sr, and Jesse was an intelligence officer. 590 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,680 He was a smart guy. 591 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,080 It's possible that he could have hidden some of what he knew 592 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,680 in this journal. 593 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,120 I would like to determine one way or the other if there was any 594 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,680 evidence of a cover-up. 595 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,280 If there was a debris site or an impact site and it was removed 596 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480 and then levelled over, we might be able to see 597 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,040 something like that. 598 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,480 I am finally back at the Roswell debris field. 599 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,920 It's kind of hard to believe that a place this abandoned and quiet 600 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,000 could be the birthplace of ufology in the United States, 601 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480 or in the world, actually. 602 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,160 The term ufology refers to the study of UFOs, 603 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,600 and for some, Roswell is the most important UFO, 604 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,040 because it is the site where an alien spaceship allegedly 605 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,400 crashed to Earth. 606 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,240 With Roswell, you have the best elements of all UFO cases - crash 607 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,440 sites, physical bodies recovered, and then all the eyewitness 608 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,680 testimony on top of that. 609 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,280 It's just this big mystery. 610 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,200 Did it happen? What was it? 611 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,800 That's still not solved. 612 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,480 It's hard to write it off, and so you're left with this big 613 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,040 question about something of incredible potential significance. 614 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,920 This is the famous backhoe trench 103. 615 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,360 So this would be what, uh, ufologists consider the actual 616 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440 furrow in the ground where, uh, some kind of craft made contact 617 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,640 with the Earth. 618 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,400 You were here in 2002, and you conducted an archaeological 619 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,320 dig here, right--right in this furrow. 620 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,640 Yeah, and the furrow runs that way, supposedly. 621 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,720 There are nails--big nails and rebar spikes in the ground marking 622 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,400 the grid system that we used for locational control in 2002. 623 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000 Archaeologists are the crime scene investigators of the past. 624 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,640 We treat archaeological sites just the way a CSI treats a crime scene, 625 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,360 to use our methods to look for the evidence of it. 626 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120 Those methods are about to get a serious upgrade. 627 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,000 Joining the team are two Canadian geophysicists, 628 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,120 Colin Miasga and Eric Johnson, who will deploy 21st century 629 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,200 technology to investigate abnormalities in the terrain. 630 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,640 So density altitude, 6,770 feet. 631 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,560 This may be the best-equipped team ever to answer the question that has 632 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,480 stumped generations of investigators - what kind of airborne vehicle 633 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,160 crashed outside of Roswell? 634 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,360 I'd like to find additional proof of that impact zone, 635 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,080 what crashed here, and how heavy it was, and at what velocity. 636 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,760 At the Roswell crash site, Ben Smith and a team of experts 637 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,480 are using state of the art equipment to find possible evidence that 638 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,240 Jesse Marcel may have been telling the truth that what crash-landed 639 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,080 here was no weather balloon. 640 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,280 It makes the most sense to start here and then widen 641 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,000 the search from there. 642 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,960 One curious aspect is that weeks before that early July day, 643 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,520 when Marcel found what he believed was the wreckage of a flying saucer, 644 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,240 there were a huge number of headline-making UFO sightings 645 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400 in the area. 646 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,760 At the local radio station, Jud Roberts remembers fielding 647 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360 dozens of callers reporting UFOs. 648 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,400 And people that I knew who were highly respectable, 649 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,520 who saw some of these things, and they had no reason to--they had 650 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,600 no reason to kid anybody about standing outside 651 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,120 of their pick-up and watching these lights go back and forth up 652 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,280 in the mountain. 653 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,560 Dad looked up in the west and saw an object that came down and had 654 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,920 lights blinking, and it was rather frightening to him. 655 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,560 In 1947, Paul Wilmot's elderly parents were sitting on their porch 656 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:19,160 when they were sure they saw a flying saucer. 657 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,160 He said all of a sudden it seemed to rock a little bit and sort 658 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200 of counterbalanced itself, wiggled a little bit, 659 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,360 and then it seemed to settle down and take off at a rapid 660 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,960 rate of speed. 661 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,600 Then came Roswell, the event that would become the Holy Grail 662 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,400 of ufology, a discovery that would be proof for many that aliens 663 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,400 had visited the Earth. 664 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,480 In truth, there is no agreement on what day the crash occurred. 665 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,480 UFO investigator Don Schmitt believes it was July 2nd. 666 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,760 On the late evening of July 2nd, 1947, there was a severe lightning 667 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,280 storm in the central high desert of Lincoln County. 668 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,800 All ranchers go out on the porch to see where it's raining. 669 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,240 My husband, he had to stand out there and see where it was raining, 670 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,600 and there was so much thunder and lightning that, 671 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,920 I begged him to come in the house, and finally there was this terrible 672 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,040 thunder clap, and he came in and he says, 'Boy, 673 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,920 'that hit something.' 674 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,080 People think about desert as just pure dry, and most of the time, 675 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,040 it is, but once that moisture starts creeping in, 676 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,880 all it needs is something to lift it, and that's going to give 677 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,720 you incredible thunderstorms. 678 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,640 Witnesses describe not only the storm, but between the thunder 679 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,320 claps, they heard what sounded like an explosion, and then seeing 680 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,640 something in the northern portion of the sky. 681 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,560 Large, red pulsating light came directly at us, 682 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,640 and all I could think of was that it was a plane 683 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,720 which--that was in trouble. 684 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,360 While there is no definitive proof about what crashed in the field 75 685 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,920 miles west of Roswell, no-one disputes that it was rancher 686 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,120 Mack Brazel who made the first discovery while taking his 687 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,480 sheep to pasture. 688 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,640 Ranching in New Mexico would be very focused on the monsoon season, 689 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,600 and so a rancher, they'd be watching for those storms and watching 690 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,960 where the rain shafts come down because their cattle or whatever 691 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,120 they're raising needs water. 692 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,120 There was a young boy who was with Mack Brazel, 693 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,520 the son of Floyd and Loretta Proctor. 694 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,520 His name was Timothy Dee Proctor-Dee, as he was called. 695 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,680 Mack happened to stumble upon this huge debris 696 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,080 field--strange, unusual wreckage. 697 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,080 Mack had found a huge field filled with metallic debris, 698 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,400 and he was annoyed because, A, he didn't know who was gonna clean 699 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,680 it up, and B, he had to drive the sheep around it to get 700 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,280 them to water. 701 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,800 They would not cross it. 702 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,280 They were either spooked or they sensed something else coming 703 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,720 from the wreckage. 704 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,040 Mack then takes Dee Proctor back to his parents, 705 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,960 and he presents some of the material to the Proctors. 706 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,920 He showed us this piece that looked like plastic or wood of some kind, 707 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,720 and he said that there was some metallic-looking stuff that, 708 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,280 when you crushed it, it just straightened right back out. 709 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840 It wouldn't--you know, wouldn't stay crushed. 710 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,800 According to Roswell author and researcher Don Schmitt, 711 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,480 Loretta Proctor was the first person to see samples of the debris that 712 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,640 Mack Brazel brought back from the fields. 713 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,600 Well, we told him it was probably a UFO and he should report it. 714 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,520 Mack Brazel was convinced by his neighbour that he should take 715 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,800 it into Roswell. 716 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,760 Mack would take samples of the debris to Wade's Bar 717 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,400 in Corona and present pieces there to fellow ranchers, 718 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,680 his friends, his neighbours. 719 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,160 The small farming community of Corona was only 15 miles 720 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,720 from the debris field. 721 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,960 It would be Mack Brazel's first stop before going on to Roswell. 722 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,440 Mack Brazel came to Corona and talked to my dad 723 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,160 about the debris that he had found out on the Foster ranch. 724 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,880 The material was as thin as a wrapper on a Lucky Strike 725 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,720 package, but you couldn't break it, and if you twisted it and scrunched 726 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,920 it up together, it would come back to its own, yeah. 727 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,960 He had no idea what it was, and they said, 'I bet you have one 728 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,480 'of them UFOs we've been reading about.' 729 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,480 Mack Brazel was convinced by his neighbour that he should take 730 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,760 it in to Roswell and show it to the sheriff. 731 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,520 But Brazel is still responsible for the ranch, and it isn't 732 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,800 until the end of the week, Sunday, his day off, 733 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,240 that he finally makes the trek, the 75-mile drive into Roswell, 734 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,080 to present it to the sheriff, George Wilcox. 735 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,240 Lieutenant George Wilcox had been the county sheriff for 20 years. 736 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,720 Most of his work involved locking up drunks and settling disputes 737 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,520 between ranchers over livestock and grazing rights. 738 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,120 Mack Brazel brought in two boxes of wreckage. 739 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,040 Sheriff George Wilcox handled and observed the material firsthand. 740 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,360 The sheriff immediately suggested that Mack Brazel report this 741 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,320 to the Roswell Army Air Field, the 509th Bomb Group. 742 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,200 It sounds like a matter they need to know about most urgently. 743 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,080 It was that call to the 509th that led its commander to dispatch 744 00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,440 Jesse Marcel, his intelligence officer, to investigate 745 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,920 the strange report. 746 00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:06,800 I had never seen anything like that before, and as of right--as of now, 747 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,600 I don't know what it was. 748 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,920 When Marcel returned to the air base and showed colleagues pieces 749 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,000 of the debris he'd collected, Base Commander William Blanchard 750 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,920 made the decision to go public and issue that famous press release. 751 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,720 Late this afternoon, a bulletin from New Mexico suggested 752 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,360 that the widely-publicized mystery of the flying saucers may 753 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,960 soon be solved. 754 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,880 With the story of the flying disc making international news, 755 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,400 Mack Brazel didn't see any harm in being interviewed 756 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,480 by the local radio station. 757 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:41,200 That morning, reporters from KGFL in Roswell brought Mack Brazel over 758 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,640 to the radio station to finally, you know, tell the world the truth 759 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200 about what had happened, and the military was 760 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,760 waiting for him. 761 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,200 They nabbed Brazel, and they would then hide him out 762 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,240 at the base for the next five full days. 763 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,840 He would later complain he felt like he was in jail, 764 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,600 that they asked him the same questions over and over and over 765 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,880 again, 24 hours around the clock, over a weather balloon. 766 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,280 According to alleged eyewitness accounts, 767 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,400 in the days that followed, the military swept through Roswell 768 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,160 and Corona, threatening scores of individuals who'd heard 769 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,360 Brazel's story. 770 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,280 These local residents were warned to keep quiet or they could be 771 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,120 charged with treason, which carried the death penalty. 772 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,800 The whole neighbourhood was scandalized that the Army--that 773 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,960 the services would treat people like that. 774 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,440 The military reportedly used Brazel to walk back the previous day's 775 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,880 front page story that a flying saucer had crashed. 776 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,040 Days later, Brazel was escorted by the military, taken 777 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,680 to the newspapers, taken to the two radio stations, 778 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,120 but specifically KGFL, where Frank Joyce, reporter, 779 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,840 meets Mack Brazel, and to his dismay, Brazel only describes 780 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,480 a weather balloon. 781 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,120 Joyce sees the two MPs and is like, 'Oh, now I see what's happening.' 782 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,280 Agents or agencies of people unknown wanted him to change off 783 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,000 of the original story. 784 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,000 And in his total frustration, Joyce takes him off the air. 785 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,480 I said to him, 'The little green men,' and that's where he said, 786 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,120 'Yeah, only they weren't green. 787 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,120 Next on Roswell: The First Witness. 788 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,160 This might be that piece of the puzzle. 789 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,480 What did Jesse Marcel never tell the public? 790 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,160 Does the journal that once belonged to him contain coded clues? 791 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,560 It is written like three sevens attached. 792 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,320 If it was a weather balloon that crashed, why was this man's father 793 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,320 forced to hand over the debris he'd kept? 794 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,440 Two guys that showed up in a car, and they said they weren't gonna 795 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,760 take it, but they weren't leaving without it. 71198

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