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I've spent the last 30 years
as a freelance writer...
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going wherever I could to do my job
and make a living.
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It's been a life of wandering around...
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and finding a good story,
getting an editor to agree to cover it...
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and assign me to it.
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As soon as, uh, it was done and over,
"Thank you very much,"
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I'd throw it in a box like
these boxes you see...
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There are other rooms downstairs.
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...and start cranking on the next one.
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Damn it, where the hell did I put it?
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Basically, this story,
"Who Killed Sister Cathy?"
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It's a 6000-word monster review
of the whole thing.
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I would not ever hear
the name Sister Cathy Cesnik
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until 1994
when the first stories began to emerge.
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And that they included a woman
who said she had witnessed
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the body of the dead nun.
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Of course,
I was interested on a lot of levels.
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There's an on-the-record public story
of what happened to Sister Cathy,
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and then there's the world beneath
that was actually being lived.
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And to get at that mystery,
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I think, is our greatest
journalistic responsibility.
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"Who Killed Sister Cathy?
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One of Maryland's Coldest
Murder Cases Heats Up,
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by Tom Nugent."
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"She lies buried
on the side of a steep hill
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in Sharpsburg, Pennsylvania,
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a threadbare suburban town
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directly across the Allegheny River
from Pittsburgh.
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Her granite headstone offers the eye
only four stone-carved words,
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Sister Catherine Cesnik, S.S.N.D.,
1942-1969."
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And so, we find ourselves, what,
47 years after the murder?
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The case is unsolved...
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we all go on day after day,
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and the boil continues to swell,
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and the people who were injured most
deeply continue to struggle and suffer.
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And the public continues to ask,
"What happened?"
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But these clues to what it was linger on
in a place like this attic.
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Those objects hold that energy
and they twist you...
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and turn you in the wind,
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and you start asking, you know,
"What was...? What is the past?
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What was it?"
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Hey. Can we just sit down?
Yeah, wherever you'd like.
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I'll be right over.
Okay.
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Can I get you all started
with something to drink?
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Um...
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What kind of chardonnay do you have?
I have Yellow Tail.
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Oh, that's fine.
That's what I drink at home... only.
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Hi. Um, I had a quick question.
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We've been using your excellent services
for about two years.
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We're looking into an old unsolved
murder case.
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My high-school teacher,
Sister Catherine Cesnik, in '69.
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Hello.
Hello.
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Come on over.
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Here, come on. I'm Gemma.
So, they tell me-I'm Tom.
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You know where Keough is?
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No. Why?
Next to Cardinal Gibbons.
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K-E-O-U-G-H.
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It's called Seton Keough now. Anyway...
Yeah.
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in 1969, a nun at Archbishop Keough
was murdered.
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In 1969?
Mm-hm.
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And then her body was found
about two months later.
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Wow.
She had been murdered.
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This is my e-mail address.
Uh-huh.
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'Cause you're not on Facebook,
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but you have e-mail?
Yeah, I do.
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Okay. So, I'm not hitting on you, okay?
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No, that's okay.
I seriously am not.
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Do you have much baggage?
No.
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I'm one of the least...
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My personality is such
that I'm really driven
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to find answers from other people.
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I will go out and talk to people,
knock on doors,
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calling, questioning
and asking them if they can help.
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I'd asked once in the past.
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Sometimes I find if I ask twice,
they find them.
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Sometimes we have to
dig a little deeper.
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But this-This is
an old open warrant.
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Okay, let's take a look.
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Now, we looked at them maybe a year ago,
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and they said that there was a box
of evidence that was missing
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and there were supposed
to be three file folders.
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So, we're sort of hoping maybe
they might have found their way back.
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If it's not there, we'll put a request in
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for them to get that refiled for you.
I can come back. Thank you.
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Great.
We're gonna keep our fingers crossed.
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Gemma Hoskins... bulldog.
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She's the bulldog.
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Abbie Schaub is the intellectual.
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They're feisty, tough women.
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I've asked both of them:
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"Don't you guys wanna become
investigative journalists?
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Let's have some real fun." And they...
They tell me, "We'll do it our way."
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The first day she walked in and said,
"We're gonna read The Scarlet Letter,"
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I couldn't believe it.
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I was 13 and this really cool nun
was gonna read The Scarlet Letter with us?
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I have never ever had a teacher
like that before.
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Sister Cathy could have been
looked at as, like, a big sister.
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She exemplified this spirit
of compassion and kindness.
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You felt like you were an individual
with her
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and she was, like, encouraging you
to bloom as a person.
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When we started
doing Romeo and Juliet,
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I thought, "Oh, this..."
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You know, "I'm barely gonna survive
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sitting through hours
of Romeo and Juliet."
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But it got to the
point where I began
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looking forward to going
to English class.
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Who would've thought such a thing?
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I guess because she was so close
in age to us,
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everything she said was romantic.
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You know, English literature, how you can
express yourself through poems.
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When you're an adolescent
and you're a girl,
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that resonates with you.
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And she was able to touch a lot of people
in a short amount of time.
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She was murdered our senior year.
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And it's always haunted many people
in the community. We're not the only ones.
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People pop up from 45, 50 years ago
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who say,
"I have a story I'd like to tell you."
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So, it's been an ongoing
urban legend almost.
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Abbie and I found each other
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because we had not been in contact
with each other since we graduated.
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Gemma's been the Nancy Drew, I think.
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She's good at getting people to talk
to her, calling them up and talk to her.
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Abbie does amazing research,
like no one I've ever met.
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I like to get on the phone,
talk to people, draw pictures...
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And I hate to talk to people,
so, that works.
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...of what-Of what's going on.
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Our mission, we were driven
to find out who hurt Sister Cathy.
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We have people telling us to be careful.
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Our concern was that
she fell into something evil,
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something bad, and got caught up with it.
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We're told that the story
is not the nun's killing.
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The story is the cover-up
of a nun's story.
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It worries me whether
or not we're looking
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at something bigger
than what we know of.
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It's a 45-year-old cold case,
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and I think we probably have
more information
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than any police officer or detective
has had on this case ever.
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We're in our 60s.
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Time is getting short for us to be able
to figure out what happened to Cathy.
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I don't think there's any shame
in not succeeding,
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but it would be wrong not to try.
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Sister Cathy was my 11th-grade
English teacher in 1969.
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November 7th...
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it was a Friday.
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We had discussions after class.
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Just talking about what was going on
in my life and that kind of thing.
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She was standing behind her desk
and I was standing next to her desk
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and... just talking.
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Um, I don't even remember
what we were talking about
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until she said that she had to go shopping
that night for a gift...
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for someone in her family.
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She seemed really happy about it,
about this person, whoever it was.
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She was excited
that they were getting married.
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And then I went on to my next class.
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Cathy left high school
after her normal teaching day.
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She was back at her apartment
at some point.
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Uh, might have been-I would assume
around three o'clock or so.
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Sister Catherine
and Sister Russell...
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they were roommates.
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They taught together at Keough and they...
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were the two nuns who left the order,
became public-school teachers.
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They rented an apartment
over on North Bend Road
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in the southwest part of the city.
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I interviewed Sister Russell...
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at her home in Carroll County.
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A very nice lady,
but she was also very reluctant to talk.
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Sister Russell was, um...
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She was my algebra teacher.
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She was also the cheerleading coach.
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She was Cathy's friend.
Everybody knew that.
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They laughed together a lot.
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You'd see them in the hallway
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and you see them
at different places together.
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But Russell was more of the left brain
and Cathy was the right.
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As far as we know,
she left the apartment parking lot
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somewhere around 7.
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Sister Russell, her roommate,
said that... this was a routine they did.
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She was gonna go shopping
to pick up some bakery buns.
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She was gonna buy an engagement gift
for her sister.
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She went from her apartment
to the Edmondson Village Shopping Center.
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It was very safe at the time.
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It was a local attraction
considered upscale.
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Sister Cathy went to the local bank,
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cashed her paycheck,
bought some dinner rolls.
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Now, accounts vary here.
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Several witnesses have told
the newspaper and the police
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there's no doubt that the nun returns
to her parking space
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but no one has proved
that she ever came back to her apartment.
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Instead, she vanished.
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We don't know exactly
where Sister Catherine... was taken.
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You know, was she on her way back
from Edmondson Village?
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Did she get back to the block
where she lived
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and then this person grabbed her?
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She might have been grabbed right outside
her own door for all we know.
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All we know is that she never came home
from that trip.
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We have a witness.
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An airline stewardess
had gone grocery shopping
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and was going up and down from her car
carrying bags of groceries in and out.
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But on the third trip, about 8:30,
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she remembers seeing Cathy
sitting in her car in the parking lot
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as if she was waiting for something.
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One of the Keough girls,
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who was... embarrassed, I think,
initially to admit it,
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was in the neighborhood
of Sister Cathy's apartment that night.
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Um, she had a little bit of a crush
on one of the male teachers, I think,
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and was sort of hanging around
by his apartment,
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which was apparently a block or two away
from Cathy's apartment.
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It was the beginning of November,
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and around that time...
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our, um, new phonebooks came out
for the year.
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The-It was called back then
the C&P Telephone Company.
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I was a sophomore in high school.
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It was a Friday night,
and my girlfriend and I said:
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"Let's look in the phonebook,
find out where all our teachers live."
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In that house lived Mr. Noone,
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and the light was on, on the second floor.
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And we said, "It's Mr. Noone!
He's got his undershirt on."
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I believe he was in the room there
above the door.
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He was standing in front of a mirror,
combing his hair.
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The light went off.
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We ducked down
and, you know, trying not to giggle.
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Before we knew it, we heard this yelling.
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And I would say
it came from that direction.
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That's where Sister Cathy
and Sister Russell lived.
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It was a man's voice.
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Loud, booming...
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garbled with emotion, anger.
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We really thought it was some kind
of violence that was going on up there.
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And that's when we took off and went home.
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Sister Russell, her roommate
and friend, became concerned
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when Cathy never came back
from the shopping trip.
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Around midnight,
she became concerned enough
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that she... called... Gerry Koob.
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Father Koob and Cathy had met.
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Cathy was teaching English,
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and Father Gerry Koob
was teaching religion.
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They apparently developed a friendship.
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That troubles us a bit, looking back.
239
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Why didn't Sister Russell call the police?
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Now, the Carriage House
Apartments...
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Right here.
...are here, yeah. Okay.
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Okay. Keep going. All right.
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Down here?
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Hmm.
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Go up a little further. Yeah.
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Before five o'clock that afternoon,
it was a typical day at the retreat house,
247
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and I didn't have a retreat going on,
248
00:18:13,634 --> 00:18:16,474
so, I have little or no recollection
of anything.
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But I knew that then-Brother Peter...
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Pete McKeon and I had decided
251
00:18:23,561 --> 00:18:26,771
there's a movie playing in Baltimore
tonight that we both wanna see.
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It was Easy Rider.
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I would venture it must have been
about 10:30 or so by the time we got back.
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And we were sitting and talking about it
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and the phone rings,
and it's Sister Russell Phillips.
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"Have you seen Cathy?"
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00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:57,224
She tells us that Cathy went out
around 8:00 or 8:30.
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She was gonna get an engagement present
for her sister and she's not home yet.
259
00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:09,065
So, we got in the car
and drove up to Catonsville immediately.
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This is...
This is the apartment we were in.
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And, uh...
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we were on that ground floor.
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So, our approach was up those steps
and right into this apartment.
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00:19:30,586 --> 00:19:35,046
We spent maybe 45 minutes to an hour
listening to Russell.
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And... since it was now three hours
after what she expected,
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00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:43,471
I said, "I think it's time for us
to call the police."
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00:19:49,397 --> 00:19:51,857
So, a single policeman responded
to our call.
268
00:19:51,941 --> 00:19:53,361
He came to this apartment.
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00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,149
We were describing her
as a missing person.
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He wrote everything down, he left.
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The three of us gathered
around a little table.
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And I said Mass.
273
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We did a little bread and wine,
and I did the Mass, a consecration.
274
00:20:17,758 --> 00:20:21,388
And we saved
some of the communion bread for Cathy.
275
00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:26,518
We were still hoping against hope
that she would show up.
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After another hour or two,
Peter and I left
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00:20:37,653 --> 00:20:39,993
and went down those steps to take a walk.
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We're coming up this way...
279
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:54,709
and when we get about here...
we spot the car.
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This door was unlocked.
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Right.
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00:21:00,926 --> 00:21:02,086
We went in.
Uh-huh.
283
00:21:02,178 --> 00:21:05,718
And the famous twig was sticking...
Hanging down from that.
284
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:10,769
There are leaves,
twigs, muddy tires.
285
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:15,780
This car had been into a swampy area,
unquestionable.
286
00:21:16,484 --> 00:21:20,244
The car had been
into swampy, muddy ground.
287
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:27,332
And why is that car found
288
00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:30,407
with its rear end sticking out
in the street
289
00:21:30,498 --> 00:21:34,498
right adjacent to the Carriage House
Apartments, where the nun lived?
290
00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:41,177
Whoever put that car there
wanted it to be found.
291
00:21:42,593 --> 00:21:45,553
My elevator inside me
is dropping down very rapidly,
292
00:21:46,055 --> 00:21:50,135
because up here, I know
Cathy did not bring this car back here.
293
00:21:51,477 --> 00:21:55,307
Somebody else brought the car back
and didn't bring her with them.
294
00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:56,317
Then where is she?
295
00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:09,538
Around this same period of time,
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00:22:10,037 --> 00:22:12,117
Joyce Malecki is a young woman
297
00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:16,836
who was abducted three or four days
after Sister Cathy was abducted.
298
00:22:19,964 --> 00:22:23,134
Back then, abductions and murders
of random young women
299
00:22:23,217 --> 00:22:24,887
were almost unheard of.
300
00:22:26,512 --> 00:22:32,022
For two young women to be abducted
within four days of each other,
301
00:22:32,101 --> 00:22:33,101
what are the odds?
302
00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:40,315
Same scenario, car was found,
side of the road, door open, she was gone.
303
00:22:41,819 --> 00:22:43,859
Her family are charming people.
304
00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:46,816
She has several siblings still alive.
We've met with them.
305
00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:51,577
So, we said, "As long as we're spending
this time looking around,
306
00:22:51,662 --> 00:22:54,712
let's see if we can find any information
to help the Maleckis."
307
00:22:58,669 --> 00:23:00,589
This is where it had first came out
308
00:23:00,671 --> 00:23:03,341
where she was missing
and where she was missing from.
309
00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:05,925
"Joyce Helen Malecki,
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00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:10,510
a pretty young 20-year-old Lansdowne girl
who lived less than two miles
311
00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:13,178
from the apartment
where Sister Catherine Cesnik
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00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:16,057
was reported missing late yesterday.
313
00:23:16,145 --> 00:23:21,315
Similarities in the two cases.
Both girls were young and attractive.
314
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,740
Packages were found in both cars.
315
00:23:24,361 --> 00:23:29,241
Both cars were found abandoned
with no apparent signs of struggle,
316
00:23:29,325 --> 00:23:33,695
keys were still in the ignition,
and both girls had went shopping."
317
00:23:37,708 --> 00:23:42,548
You know, where we grew up,
we had no keys to the house.
318
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:46,590
The house was not locked,
so, we could come and go as we please.
319
00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:49,681
There was no crime rate.
There was no trouble.
320
00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:53,182
Never had any problems.
Everybody was there to help you.
321
00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:55,982
It was a nice neighborhood to grow up in.
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00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,059
In November 1969,
323
00:24:00,648 --> 00:24:04,358
I was working at Gino's,
which was a fast-food restaurant,
324
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,993
probably within five miles from the house.
325
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:12,833
I was working in the evening,
and Joyce came up to Gino's
326
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:14,660
and asked me to switch vehicles.
327
00:24:16,038 --> 00:24:19,628
She left her car,
and she took my parents' car.
328
00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:23,209
I was probably the last one to see her.
329
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:34,564
This is the exact parking lot
where her car was found.
330
00:24:35,516 --> 00:24:40,936
Once we converged here and met here,
we contacted the state police.
331
00:24:41,021 --> 00:24:45,441
They responded rather rapidly,
secured the area
332
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:49,450
and told us, you know,
"Hey, don't go in, don't touch nothing."
333
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:54,872
The car is parked just the same
as we're parked right now,
334
00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:58,332
and it was unlocked,
and the keys were in the ignition.
335
00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:03,752
The day that my sister went out shopping
that evening,
336
00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:08,916
it was all over the local news
about Sister Cathy's disappearance.
337
00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:15,505
My mother told her,
"Joyce, be careful out there.
338
00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:18,597
The nun is missing.
Make sure you come home safe."
339
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:21,095
But she didn't.
340
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:45,166
It's always like an interview
getting into your e-mail.
341
00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:50,965
I sit right where I'm sitting now
in the evening,
342
00:25:51,425 --> 00:25:53,545
whether I'm eating or watching TV,
343
00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:56,715
and I read everybody's posts.
344
00:25:57,765 --> 00:25:59,095
Abbie's the researcher.
345
00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:03,811
She and I are on here every night
in the middle of the night.
346
00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:06,767
This Facebook page,
347
00:26:06,857 --> 00:26:10,397
Justice for Catherine Cesnik
and Joyce Malecki...
348
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:16,660
Abbie Fitzgerald and I
are the administrators on this page.
349
00:26:17,534 --> 00:26:21,794
And the purpose of the page
is to collect information
350
00:26:21,872 --> 00:26:26,672
from anybody who might have information
about what happened to Sister Cathy.
351
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:33,625
We have journalists, law enforcement,
retired police officers.
352
00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:36,969
People know
that they can private message us.
353
00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:41,063
If I ask a question tonight on this page,
354
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,810
all we have to do is post it
and we get so many responses.
355
00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:53,954
This is my very inelegant file
system, very low-tech.
356
00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:59,792
But it became clear fairly early
that so many names were coming up
357
00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:05,039
that I needed some way to try
to store the information, find it again.
358
00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:08,791
Let's see.
359
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,915
I have the letters
to the City of Baltimore Police,
360
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:18,176
to the... CIA, the FBI,
Freedom of Information Act request.
361
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:20,059
Okay.
362
00:27:20,556 --> 00:27:22,716
This Facebook post is from May.
363
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:27,480
"We went on a field trip
trying to better understand the events
364
00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:30,483
the evening Sister Cathy was abducted.
365
00:27:30,566 --> 00:27:35,146
Picture is attached.
Tan brick building was Cathy's apartment.
366
00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:39,577
Parking lot next to that
is where her car would have been parked.
367
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:44,248
A silver SUV is parked
where her car was found,
368
00:27:44,329 --> 00:27:48,419
parked illegally with back of car
protruding into the street."
369
00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:53,796
Facebook has been such an integral part
of our investigation.
370
00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:55,801
There's power in numbers,
371
00:27:55,883 --> 00:28:00,143
and we're all feeling driven
to find out who hurt Sister Cathy.
372
00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:04,639
Sister Cathy and Joyce went missing
in the same area
373
00:28:04,725 --> 00:28:07,435
of southwest Baltimore in the same week.
374
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,939
So, we've been working
with the Malecki family
375
00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:12,442
to try and get information about Joyce
376
00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:16,364
and to try and make connections
between the two murders
377
00:28:16,445 --> 00:28:19,275
and the people
that we think were responsible.
378
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:24,700
Okay, Buddy, let's go.
379
00:28:36,632 --> 00:28:39,012
After we found Joyce's car,
380
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,762
it was the next day
that two hunters found her body.
381
00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:48,266
Well, you can see how secluded this is.
382
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:51,272
And like I said, at the time,
it was a dirt road,
383
00:28:51,355 --> 00:28:53,225
so, somebody had to know
384
00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,902
where they were going
and what they were doing.
385
00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:01,242
And in my opinion, she was placed
back here not to be found any time soon.
386
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:11,422
And somewhere...
Somewhere back in here,
387
00:29:12,167 --> 00:29:14,747
you go back about 25, 30 yards,
388
00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:19,376
and there's the Little Patuxent River,
and that's where her body was found.
389
00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:29,137
And they asked
if someone would identify.
390
00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:32,903
And my mother and father,
they were too upset.
391
00:29:33,897 --> 00:29:35,607
So, I said, "Well, I'll go back."
392
00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:38,896
So that they would be spared that.
393
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:04,635
The hunters found her.
394
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,310
She was facedown in the stream
with her hands tied behind her back.
395
00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:12,475
And her throat was cut.
396
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:19,320
They had her body on this gurney
and a sheet over her.
397
00:30:20,277 --> 00:30:23,777
And just the one thing
I'll never ever forget,
398
00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:25,244
when they pulled the sheet back,
399
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:32,959
her face was all dirty and muddy,
and... her hair had sticks in it.
400
00:30:35,459 --> 00:30:37,539
But I could still tell it was my sister.
401
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:43,219
So, that's when I went back
and I... told my mother and father
402
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,510
and Donald and Darryl that it was her.
403
00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:50,933
But when it comes to my sister,
404
00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:52,788
the only thing I can
see is what I saw
405
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,766
when I-When they
pulled that sheet back.
406
00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:57,154
That's terrible.
That's the only memory
407
00:30:57,166 --> 00:30:59,112
that I have, and it
never ever goes away.
408
00:31:00,192 --> 00:31:02,032
It's just like it was yesterday.
409
00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:04,195
So, that's...
410
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:11,447
That's what you have to go through,
I guess, in a situation like that, but...
411
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,120
That's why I would like
to see somebody pay for it.
412
00:31:17,751 --> 00:31:18,791
Somebody did it.
413
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:28,053
"City police search for missing nun,
414
00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:32,306
26 officers combing area
with K-9 corps dogs."
415
00:31:32,849 --> 00:31:36,229
It was a huge public event in 1969.
416
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:39,521
We've got a terrible-Nun disappeared.
It's all over the front page.
417
00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:42,942
And five days later, "Oh, my God,
what's happened to Malecki?
418
00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:44,146
Are they connected?"
419
00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:47,526
And the FBI commissioner,
the head guy in Baltimore, anyway,
420
00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:52,124
tells the press, "Rest assured,
your Federal FBI is hard at work.
421
00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:58,172
We will find out if there's a connection
between Malecki and Sister Cathy."
422
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,550
You start asking,
"Who ran that investigation?"
423
00:32:04,631 --> 00:32:06,681
And that's Captain John Barnold.
424
00:32:07,384 --> 00:32:10,434
He's the chief of Homicide,
Baltimore City cops.
425
00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:18,226
"We're coming in here a minute,
hon, and take a few pictures."
426
00:32:22,023 --> 00:32:23,483
That was me in my good days.
427
00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:28,356
It was just a photo taken with
my new captain's hat and badge and all.
428
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:33,620
I was 38. I was the youngest captain
on the force at the time.
429
00:32:34,077 --> 00:32:35,907
And at that time, they only had...
430
00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:40,706
I think it was 18 captains
in the whole force, and I was one of 18.
431
00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,337
I was fortunate. I had a good career.
432
00:32:45,338 --> 00:32:46,838
People are missing every day.
433
00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:50,643
They wander off, you know, and...
And, usually, nothing comes of it.
434
00:32:50,719 --> 00:32:53,219
As a matter of fact, in the newspapers,
they quote me...
435
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:56,215
No foul play was known at the time.
436
00:32:58,059 --> 00:33:01,439
And they kept coming to us, "Did you hear
anything? Did you do anything?"
437
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:05,730
Uh, they'd come to me and I'd say,
"The investigation is still on. I..."
438
00:33:06,526 --> 00:33:07,986
That was all I could tell them.
439
00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:15,293
From day one,
Barnold is essentially telling everybody:
440
00:33:15,368 --> 00:33:17,313
"We don't think it's kidnapping.
We don't
441
00:33:17,325 --> 00:33:19,328
see a problem. We're okay.
We'll be fine."
442
00:33:19,873 --> 00:33:21,963
"What's going on here? Where is she?"
443
00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:25,047
"We can't find her. We don't know.
Nobody knows."
444
00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:28,719
I didn't wanna seem evasive,
445
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:32,838
but as I said,
I was supervising robberies, homicides.
446
00:33:32,928 --> 00:33:37,348
We were averaging 200 homicides a year
even then in Baltimore City.
447
00:33:37,891 --> 00:33:42,271
So, with 200 homicides,
numerous assaults, sex offenses,
448
00:33:43,063 --> 00:33:46,733
I couldn't really devote my time
to one specific case.
449
00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:51,112
I just had to trust my supervisors,
my lieutenants and sergeants
450
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:52,356
to get the work done.
451
00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:57,738
The longer she was missing,
the more we suspected foul play,
452
00:33:57,827 --> 00:33:59,957
but you don't wanna advertise it either.
453
00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:05,752
With the disappearance of Sister Cesnik
and the disappearance of Joyce Malecki,
454
00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:11,165
and both of them being young
white females, attractive, shopping,
455
00:34:11,258 --> 00:34:15,008
and nobody could give an excuse,
under those circumstances,
456
00:34:15,637 --> 00:34:18,755
you have to... go
with the possibility
457
00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:22,137
that there has been
serious consequences,
458
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,357
that there may have been a kidnapping
or a murder.
459
00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:43,334
I remember going back to school
and everybody just shaking their heads,
460
00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:46,125
because nobody could believe
that she would disappear.
461
00:34:47,252 --> 00:34:51,262
It's hard to describe how you feel
when you know somebody's in trouble
462
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:53,219
and there's nothing you can do about it.
463
00:34:53,967 --> 00:34:56,677
Like, how can Cathy be kidnapped?
464
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,141
That doesn't make sense.
465
00:34:58,555 --> 00:34:59,965
None of it made sense.
466
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,650
As school went on from November
into the Christmas time,
467
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:10,145
I kind of think we all thought
she'd never be found.
468
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,573
We knew
there was an investigation going on,
469
00:35:14,654 --> 00:35:16,914
but it wasn't visible to us anymore.
470
00:35:17,282 --> 00:35:19,992
We didn't see pictures
of people looking in the fields
471
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:25,286
and people with dogs out looking
for the presence of Cathy Cesnik.
472
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:31,918
We had so many questions, and we didn't
think we were gonna get any answers.
473
00:35:49,898 --> 00:35:53,278
From November the 7th
until mid-January,
474
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:56,074
I had no idea what happened to Cathy.
475
00:35:57,906 --> 00:35:58,736
And...
476
00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:04,834
what I learned from that
is the imagination goes crazy...
477
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:08,745
'cause you imagine it two different ways.
478
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:14,263
You imagine in a way that keeps her alive,
because you want her to be alive.
479
00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:17,093
But then what do you plug into that?
480
00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:20,141
She's being held captive.
She's being tortured.
481
00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:23,600
She's being repressed.
And that gets too hard to bear.
482
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,859
So, then you start going the other way.
"Let's imagine that she's dead."
483
00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:33,823
I don't want-I don't want that.
484
00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:41,073
So, that was a very black period
in my life.
485
00:36:50,583 --> 00:36:57,343
"The body of 26-year-old Catherine
Cesnik was found January 3rd, 1970,
486
00:36:57,424 --> 00:36:59,844
in southwest Baltimore County.
487
00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:04,811
She was lying on her back
on the slope of a little hill.
488
00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:09,806
Sister Cathy wound up on the garbage dump
with her skull caved in."
489
00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:27,078
I can remember
I was leaning against a wall
490
00:37:27,162 --> 00:37:30,172
when somebody was telling me
that they found the body.
491
00:37:31,458 --> 00:37:35,548
And I remember sliding my back
down the wall to sit on the floor.
492
00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:39,216
And mostly, the feeling was relief.
493
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:43,340
Now...
494
00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:47,137
Now the waiting
to find out what happened is over.
495
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:59,610
James Scannell is a retired
496
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Baltimore County policeman, okay?
497
00:38:05,325 --> 00:38:06,905
Wonderful reputation.
498
00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:09,115
Was involved
499
00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:13,084
at the time that Sister Cathy's body
was discovered in Lansdowne,
500
00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:18,462
took the call from the hunters
who reported it and went out.
501
00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,296
He was the first officer on the scene.
502
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:26,642
He has agreed to take us to the spot
where Cathy's body was found.
503
00:38:27,096 --> 00:38:29,266
Alan Horn contacted him.
504
00:38:30,183 --> 00:38:34,103
Yeah, Alan Horn is
a very helpful man
505
00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:39,027
who approached us
through our public justice Facebook site.
506
00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:45,739
Um, he told us that he was mostly retired,
507
00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:48,584
that he didn't like to go fishing,
508
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:54,622
and that as a hobby, he helped groups
by doing research for them.
509
00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:56,667
We didn't know much about Alan.
510
00:38:56,751 --> 00:39:00,881
He came onto our Facebook page
and started posting.
511
00:39:01,631 --> 00:39:06,511
Alan is great with talking to families,
making cold calls
512
00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:11,644
to find out who's connected to whom
and to reach out to people that we were...
513
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:15,814
really felt like would be instrumental
in giving us information and...
514
00:39:15,895 --> 00:39:17,515
But we weren't sure how to do it.
515
00:39:33,830 --> 00:39:39,090
I have a lot of doubts about Scannell,
but he doesn't need to know that.
516
00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:43,423
I'm Alan Horn.
517
00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:45,514
Thank you.
518
00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:49,968
I will do my part
to make him feel comfortable
519
00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:52,644
and honor what he's sharing with us.
520
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:57,056
Hi, I was one of...
I was one of Cathy's students.
521
00:39:57,145 --> 00:40:00,895
Oh, okay.
So, it means a lot to me to meet you,
522
00:40:00,982 --> 00:40:05,652
and I can't tell you how much that means,
so, thank you for...
523
00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:07,407
No problem.
For sharing with us.
524
00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:08,698
Yeah.
I really mean that.
525
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:11,077
She meant everything to me, so...
526
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,330
But I'm actually looking and listening
for other signs...
527
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:19,710
so, I will know
what I'm going to do and say and...
528
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:21,630
When I get there.
529
00:40:26,549 --> 00:40:30,759
I'm Jim Scannell,
law enforcement for 38 years.
530
00:40:31,971 --> 00:40:34,681
I worked
just about all over Baltimore County.
531
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,273
Well, I was the lieutenant on duty...
532
00:40:38,102 --> 00:40:41,022
in Halethorpe
at the time the body was found.
533
00:40:41,898 --> 00:40:44,068
And as the lieutenant, I responded.
534
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:47,069
I met the officer at the scene.
535
00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:50,373
He took me to an area
to the right side of the road.
536
00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:55,162
It was a small plot where they probably
burned trash or something like that.
537
00:40:55,995 --> 00:40:57,865
And it wasn't a big dump
538
00:40:57,956 --> 00:41:02,536
or anything like-Just what would
you find in a normal household
539
00:41:02,627 --> 00:41:06,167
or community
where, you know, they get rid of debris.
540
00:41:07,048 --> 00:41:07,918
I can still...
541
00:41:09,217 --> 00:41:10,217
Still see the...
542
00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:12,848
Her laying on the ground,
laying on her back.
543
00:41:12,929 --> 00:41:15,769
It stays with you, you know?
You never forget it.
544
00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:18,096
But it...
545
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,060
It's part of your job,
and you accept it, I guess.
546
00:41:23,106 --> 00:41:26,146
And the question is, was she dumped there?
Was she murdered there?
547
00:41:26,651 --> 00:41:27,901
What transpired?
548
00:41:28,236 --> 00:41:32,486
Prior to that, it was, I guess,
almost two months, but, uh...
549
00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:38,449
If they haven't changed the terrain,
I think I can get back there again.
550
00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:07,225
This one here.
551
00:42:07,942 --> 00:42:08,782
Right here.
552
00:42:13,906 --> 00:42:14,736
We were here.
553
00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:19,787
So, it was a good 20 yards off the road,
where the body was.
554
00:42:25,168 --> 00:42:27,128
She was just laying there on her back,
555
00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:30,631
and her clothes were stripped down
to her waist.
556
00:42:31,174 --> 00:42:33,804
Her purse was laying alongside of her.
557
00:42:36,179 --> 00:42:39,719
Condition of the body indicated
that she was there for a while.
558
00:42:41,476 --> 00:42:42,556
No fresh blood.
559
00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:47,607
She wasn't shot.
She wasn't stabbed... that I could see.
560
00:42:51,944 --> 00:42:54,164
I think probably she was dumped there,
561
00:42:54,906 --> 00:42:58,326
just dumped out of the car
and laying there on her back.
562
00:43:00,286 --> 00:43:01,656
She hadn't deteriorated.
563
00:43:03,206 --> 00:43:06,036
No maggots or anything like that.
564
00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:20,925
I just wanna say goodbye to you
565
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:23,765
and thank you for your help today.
Oh, okay. No problem.
566
00:43:23,851 --> 00:43:26,271
We're really sorry
we dragged you all over tarnation.
567
00:43:26,354 --> 00:43:30,324
Sorry it didn't turn out better.
No. I mean, it's not a happy thing to do.
568
00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:32,779
Because I was one of her students...
Uh-huh.
569
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:36,360
...I just feel like I need to know as much
as I can about what happened to her.
570
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:43,079
Well, between... her disappearance
and there,
571
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,251
that's where the answer lies.
572
00:43:46,791 --> 00:43:50,631
Everything in between
is only known by the guy who did it.
573
00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:52,591
Can I ask you one more question?
Yeah.
574
00:43:52,672 --> 00:43:56,882
Was it your gut instinct that
she had been moved several times maybe
575
00:43:56,968 --> 00:43:58,508
before she was left there?
576
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:02,639
They would probably know
once they moved the body.
577
00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:03,683
They what?
578
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,056
Once they moved the body.
579
00:44:05,768 --> 00:44:09,938
Other words, I-I could just base
my observation on what I've seen.
580
00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:12,152
Because she was laying on her back?
Yeah.
581
00:44:12,233 --> 00:44:13,693
Bud Roemer was there.
Right.
582
00:44:13,776 --> 00:44:16,146
Baltimore City detectives were there.
Right.
583
00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:18,237
Do you remember any of their names?
584
00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:20,782
Just Bud Roemer, and he's dead.
Bud, and he's gone.
585
00:44:21,242 --> 00:44:22,742
When we were at your house,
586
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:25,907
you told me some information.
I wanted to ask you about it again.
587
00:44:25,997 --> 00:44:32,627
You said it might be possible
to get the report from the patrol officer.
588
00:44:32,712 --> 00:44:36,632
And who would we call to do that
besides you?
589
00:44:36,716 --> 00:44:38,506
Have to call headquarters.
590
00:44:38,593 --> 00:44:40,263
Do you know anybody that we...?
591
00:44:40,344 --> 00:44:42,644
Do you have any friends
in the police department?
592
00:44:42,722 --> 00:44:44,642
Most of them are retired, dead.
593
00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:47,984
You wouldn't wanna make that call for me
if I treat you to a crab cake?
594
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,650
I don't think they'd know me.
595
00:44:49,729 --> 00:44:51,649
Truthful, they wouldn't know me.
596
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,610
I bet they would.
597
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,230
The people would.
598
00:44:55,318 --> 00:44:57,568
You look like Paul Newman.
Is that what it was?
599
00:44:57,653 --> 00:44:59,743
The blue eyes and the beard. Yeah.
600
00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:01,406
Okay.
That's all.
601
00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:03,080
Gory stuff, huh?
Yeah.
602
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:04,659
Again, thank you.
Okay.
603
00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:06,365
I appreciate your help.
Alrighty.
604
00:45:06,454 --> 00:45:07,294
Okay.
605
00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:28,598
"Bud Roemer
always drank his coffee black.
606
00:45:29,352 --> 00:45:31,522
He was in the middle
of his third or fourth cup
607
00:45:31,604 --> 00:45:34,444
on the morning of January 3rd, 1970,
608
00:45:34,523 --> 00:45:35,653
when the telephone rang.
609
00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:37,645
Roemer picked up the phone.
610
00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:41,817
Talking fast,
James Scannell told the M squad captain
611
00:45:41,906 --> 00:45:45,366
that two hunters had just called
to report what looked like a woman's body
612
00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:48,081
lying near a garbage dump
off Monumental Avenue.
613
00:45:48,621 --> 00:45:52,001
Moments later, Roemer and several members
of the M squad climbed
614
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:54,673
into one of the department's
unmarked black Plymouths
615
00:45:55,252 --> 00:45:57,512
for the 20-mile ride to Lansdowne.
616
00:45:59,674 --> 00:46:03,344
Bud Roemer. He was in charge
of all criminal investigations
617
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,757
at Baltimore County Police Headquarters
618
00:46:06,347 --> 00:46:09,177
as chief of the M squad,
the homicide squad.
619
00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:10,096
M for murder.
620
00:46:12,645 --> 00:46:14,475
'It was snowing when we got to the dump
621
00:46:14,563 --> 00:46:17,533
and cold as a son of a bitch,'
the detective recalled.
622
00:46:18,818 --> 00:46:23,108
'When I walked up on that dump,
I said, "Hello, Cathy Cesnik."
623
00:46:28,035 --> 00:46:30,035
We worked that crime scene
all day long.
624
00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:33,791
We called in the medical examiner
and we asked for an autopsy right away.'
625
00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:37,495
The nun had died of blunt-force trauma
to one side of her head,
626
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:40,876
along with a blow that had left
a round hole in the back of her skull."
627
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,708
"Mulling the autopsy,
Roemer soon found
628
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,790
himself contemplating
a likely scenario.
629
00:47:12,705 --> 00:47:15,035
A stranger had probably abducted Cesnik
630
00:47:15,124 --> 00:47:17,837
from the Edmondson
Village Shopping Center
631
00:47:17,849 --> 00:47:20,384
on Edmondson Avenue
near her apartment.
632
00:47:24,216 --> 00:47:27,886
In all likelihood, the unknown assailant
had then killed the nun
633
00:47:28,304 --> 00:47:30,724
and dumped her body
about five miles away.
634
00:47:35,644 --> 00:47:38,944
But his hypothesis was contradicted
by one troubling fact.
635
00:47:40,441 --> 00:47:46,661
The nun's car, a green 1969 Ford Maverick,
had been parked at an odd angle,
636
00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:51,368
illegally,
near her Carriage House apartment complex
637
00:47:51,452 --> 00:47:54,712
only a few hours after she drove off
to the shopping center.
638
00:47:56,332 --> 00:48:00,672
How had the dead woman's Ford
gotten back to her apartment complex?
639
00:48:03,005 --> 00:48:06,125
In that situation, the killer wants
to get the hell away from there.
640
00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:08,889
Last thing he wants
is to return to the area
641
00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:11,679
where he might be spotted
driving the victim's car."
642
00:48:15,643 --> 00:48:17,273
Yeah, with the Sister Cesnik case,
643
00:48:17,353 --> 00:48:19,693
until the body was found
two months later...
644
00:48:20,356 --> 00:48:23,816
during the interim,
we investigated numerous people,
645
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:25,951
anybody that could have been involved
with her.
646
00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:29,698
Students, friends, her roommate,
the place she worked at.
647
00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:34,448
She was an attractive woman.
648
00:48:35,037 --> 00:48:38,997
It could have been somebody
just living in that area... followed her
649
00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:42,593
or stopped her car or waved her down
where her car was found.
650
00:48:45,506 --> 00:48:46,966
Somebody put the car there.
651
00:48:47,591 --> 00:48:51,851
And, yeah, it would have been
so much easier if whoever killed her
652
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:55,019
just dumped the car somewhere in the woods
where she was.
653
00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:02,265
With homicides, time is a destroyer.
654
00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:05,358
In other words,
you could see the bodies decompose.
655
00:49:05,442 --> 00:49:09,662
Blood work disintegrates.
Weather washes things away.
656
00:49:10,322 --> 00:49:14,292
And the longer you wait,
the harder it is to get good evidence.
657
00:49:16,871 --> 00:49:18,081
There's so many scenarios.
658
00:49:18,164 --> 00:49:21,754
You know, you can really go wild
trying to find out different things.
659
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:34,969
We have two facts.
660
00:49:36,557 --> 00:49:38,477
She was abducted and she was killed.
661
00:49:40,811 --> 00:49:43,361
Beyond that,
I don't know exactly what we have.
662
00:49:45,024 --> 00:49:50,034
And the cops always told us that there
was no forensic evidence in that car...
663
00:49:51,363 --> 00:49:54,163
but the fact of where the car
was parked...
664
00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:58,622
combined with the fact
of where her body was found
665
00:49:58,704 --> 00:49:59,874
some months later...
666
00:50:00,915 --> 00:50:03,915
is a detail that's always
been stuck in my throat.
667
00:50:06,754 --> 00:50:09,424
Because where her body was found...
668
00:50:10,507 --> 00:50:14,257
was not an area
where you would just casually drive by it
669
00:50:14,929 --> 00:50:17,599
and say, "Oh, here's a good place
to dump a body."
670
00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:21,389
But this was a very out-of-the-way area...
671
00:50:22,937 --> 00:50:26,647
which led me to believe that it was
somebody who knew that area very well.
672
00:50:29,652 --> 00:50:31,702
We went into this
collecting information.
673
00:50:31,779 --> 00:50:33,319
We said, "We don't know what happened.
674
00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:35,603
Let's collect every
little bit of scrap,
675
00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:37,825
listen to every story
somebody tells us,
676
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:40,540
and when we feel
like we've hit a dead end,
677
00:50:40,621 --> 00:50:43,121
we'll sit down
and go through all this and say:
678
00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:45,127
"What direction is this pointing us in?"
679
00:50:45,834 --> 00:50:47,999
This is not Abbie and
Gemma sitting at a
680
00:50:48,011 --> 00:50:50,134
table being detectives
or playing Clue.
681
00:50:50,798 --> 00:50:55,338
It's wrong. It's wrong what's happened,
but they're still unsolved.
682
00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:59,057
We need justice for Cathy Cesnik
and Joyce Malecki.
683
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,479
I have this image of myself in a room
684
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,189
with all these wires hanging down,
all these electric wires,
685
00:51:06,272 --> 00:51:07,822
and none of them are connecting.
686
00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:14,951
I'm tentatively optimistic,
but I'm impatient for connections.
687
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:23,040
I've been pursuing this
for the last 15 years.
688
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,000
I've been calling FBI and...
689
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:30,384
Time in and time out.
And I get the same answers.
690
00:51:30,462 --> 00:51:33,722
I visited them.
I went and knocked on their door.
691
00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:36,429
"What have you done
in the last 15, 20 years?"
692
00:51:37,177 --> 00:51:39,927
And the only thing they tell me is:
693
00:51:40,014 --> 00:51:42,434
"It's an open case
and we cannot discuss it."
694
00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:47,984
It almost leads me, personally,
to believe it's a cover-up,
695
00:51:48,647 --> 00:51:50,767
because I can't get any information.
696
00:51:51,275 --> 00:51:53,435
You know,
and here's two big flags that go up,
697
00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:56,321
and both of them are unresolved.
698
00:51:57,072 --> 00:51:58,992
It's awful coincidental.
699
00:52:00,909 --> 00:52:03,949
Even if they come out and say,
"We don't have anything,"
700
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:06,078
at least they would be talking.
701
00:52:06,165 --> 00:52:07,365
They won't even do that.
702
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:11,166
You know, Baltimore is...
703
00:52:13,922 --> 00:52:18,182
Has its level of corruption,
and it's got its hierarchy.
704
00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:24,979
A retired detective
that I interviewed frequently
705
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:27,479
who worked on it often says to me:
706
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:32,111
"Nugent, the real problem here
is the cover-up itself.
707
00:52:32,608 --> 00:52:36,738
The cover-up itself is the cancer
inside Baltimore."
708
00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:45,951
This is where she's buried.
709
00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:53,503
My sister Joyce and Sister Cathy.
710
00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:56,917
They were put on this Earth
same as the rest of us.
711
00:52:57,007 --> 00:53:01,297
Somebody needs to come out in the open
and acknowledge the fact
712
00:53:01,387 --> 00:53:03,347
that this is how they were taken away.
713
00:53:05,682 --> 00:53:06,892
This was somebody's life,
714
00:53:06,975 --> 00:53:10,515
and people are ready to just say,
"Oh, well," and move on to the next thing.
715
00:53:10,938 --> 00:53:12,728
It's never sat right with me.
716
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:17,530
So, when I saw that there were other women
that were like:
717
00:53:17,611 --> 00:53:19,821
"We wanna find out
who killed Sister Cathy,"
718
00:53:20,447 --> 00:53:25,447
you know, retired women, grandmothers
that haven't let go of this...
719
00:53:26,745 --> 00:53:28,455
And Tom Nugent, who...
720
00:53:28,539 --> 00:53:33,879
This has been his lifelong pursuit, right,
since he first heard about it.
721
00:53:35,796 --> 00:53:38,716
We're at a point now
where we're not gonna let it go.
722
00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:44,137
We're gonna do whatever it is
we need to do to get justice.
723
00:53:48,809 --> 00:53:51,809
So, how does this story begin?
724
00:53:56,024 --> 00:53:59,074
There are two key characters
in this sad story.
725
00:54:00,821 --> 00:54:03,201
One is a murdered nun, Sister Cathy.
726
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,700
The other is the witness, Jane Doe...
727
00:54:12,374 --> 00:54:15,754
a student at the Catholic high school
where Sister Cathy taught.
728
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,050
There was a mystery
around Jane Doe's identity.
729
00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:27,600
Everything starts there,
and everything still hinges there.
730
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:32,849
Jane Doe probably knows
exactly what happened,
731
00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:39,816
and it has taken her 45 years to gradually
confront the full horror in herself.
732
00:54:42,863 --> 00:54:44,033
Who is Jane Doe?
733
00:54:45,574 --> 00:54:46,704
Jane Doe?
734
00:54:48,118 --> 00:54:49,998
I'd love to talk to her now...
735
00:54:51,538 --> 00:54:56,038
'cause she had a story to tell,
but we never got to hear it.
62711
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