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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:15,100 (mysterious music) 2 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,166 - [Tim] I never thought 3 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,166 I would be caught up 4 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:42,233 in a story such as this, 5 00:01:43,266 --> 00:01:45,867 because I live on the 6 00:01:43,266 --> 00:01:45,867 other side of the world. 7 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,367 On one hand, it's exciting 8 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,367 to be making a film 9 00:01:53,467 --> 00:01:56,300 that searches for the 10 00:01:53,467 --> 00:01:56,300 truth about the Exodus. 11 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:01,100 On the other hand, I must admit, 12 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,200 I'm a reluctant participant. 13 00:02:09,166 --> 00:02:11,500 I never wanted to go 14 00:02:09,166 --> 00:02:11,500 to the Middle East. 15 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,533 I never wanted to be 16 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,533 involved in controversy 17 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,667 because it means 18 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,667 taking on the giants 19 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:22,600 of archaeology, 20 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:22,600 religion and tradition. 21 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:27,233 (mysterious music) 22 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:33,100 But what I've found might 23 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:33,100 shock and surprise you. 24 00:02:36,166 --> 00:02:38,867 You can decide if 25 00:02:36,166 --> 00:02:38,867 it will change you, 26 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:42,667 like it has changed me. 27 00:02:42,767 --> 00:02:47,266 (mysterious music) 28 00:03:11,433 --> 00:03:13,233 - [Voiceover] The exodus 29 00:03:11,433 --> 00:03:13,233 of the children of Israel 30 00:03:13,333 --> 00:03:15,900 from Egypt and their 31 00:03:13,333 --> 00:03:15,900 journey to the Promised Land 32 00:03:16,633 --> 00:03:19,233 is one of the most influential 33 00:03:16,633 --> 00:03:19,233 and important stories 34 00:03:19,333 --> 00:03:21,333 in all of the world history. 35 00:03:21,433 --> 00:03:22,667 - [Benjamin] The 36 00:03:21,433 --> 00:03:22,667 stories in the Bible 37 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:26,100 are the most powerful 38 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:26,100 narratives ever told. 39 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,333 It's not a coincidence 40 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,333 that this book has held 41 00:03:29,433 --> 00:03:33,400 the imagination of mankind 42 00:03:29,433 --> 00:03:33,400 for thousands of years 43 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:35,500 because the stories 44 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:35,500 are remarkable. 45 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,300 - It's the most amazing 46 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,300 book, if you think about it. 47 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,100 It's a book that covers 48 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,100 about 4,000 years of history 49 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,967 and it really is the 50 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,967 first history book 51 00:03:43,066 --> 00:03:44,600 until the time of the Greeks. 52 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:46,700 Herodotus was supposed 53 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:46,700 to be the first historian 54 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,800 but in fact I think Moses was. 55 00:03:49,467 --> 00:03:52,333 - [Shimon] He remains, 56 00:03:49,467 --> 00:03:52,333 without any competition, 57 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:55,367 the greatest 58 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:55,367 legislator of all time. 59 00:03:55,467 --> 00:03:58,033 And as for the Ten Commandments 60 00:03:58,133 --> 00:04:00,433 that he brought down from Sinai, 61 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:03,633 it is the foundation 62 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:03,633 of our civilization. 63 00:04:03,734 --> 00:04:05,934 Take away the Ten Commandments 64 00:04:06,033 --> 00:04:08,200 and we are out of business. 65 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:09,367 - [Voiceover] Yet, 66 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:09,367 against the idea 67 00:04:09,467 --> 00:04:11,433 that the biblical 68 00:04:09,467 --> 00:04:11,433 account is true, 69 00:04:11,533 --> 00:04:13,700 voices across our culture 70 00:04:11,533 --> 00:04:13,700 and around the world 71 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,266 are raised in protest. 72 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,734 These voices say that 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,734 the biblical narrative 74 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:22,133 is nothing more than 75 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:22,133 a myth, a fairy tale. 76 00:04:22,233 --> 00:04:24,934 And their antagonistic 77 00:04:22,233 --> 00:04:24,934 claims appear to be supported 78 00:04:25,033 --> 00:04:27,433 by the findings of 79 00:04:25,033 --> 00:04:27,433 modern archaeology. 80 00:04:28,934 --> 00:04:30,367 - [Israel] The 81 00:04:28,934 --> 00:04:30,367 Exodus did not happen 82 00:04:30,467 --> 00:04:33,400 in the way that it is 83 00:04:30,467 --> 00:04:33,400 described in the text 84 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:35,834 on the background of 85 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:35,834 the 13th century BC. 86 00:04:35,934 --> 00:04:38,600 - I don't believe there 87 00:04:35,934 --> 00:04:38,600 was a single event 88 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:40,667 that we can call the Exodus, 89 00:04:40,767 --> 00:04:43,467 archaeologically 90 00:04:40,767 --> 00:04:43,467 or historically. 91 00:04:44,767 --> 00:04:49,333 (upbeat music) 92 00:04:50,166 --> 00:04:51,567 - [Michael] It's 24 93 00:04:50,166 --> 00:04:51,567 minutes past the hour 94 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,533 on the Michael Medved show, 95 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,533 your daily dose of debate, 96 00:04:54,633 --> 00:04:56,834 and right now, debating 97 00:04:54,633 --> 00:04:56,834 some of the most important 98 00:04:56,934 --> 00:05:00,266 questions with Rabbi 99 00:04:56,934 --> 00:05:00,266 David Wolpe, who leads 100 00:05:00,367 --> 00:05:03,400 one of America's largest 101 00:05:00,367 --> 00:05:03,400 Jewish congregations. 102 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:06,900 In 2001, Rabbi Wolpe 103 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:06,900 created a national furor 104 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,166 when his Passover 105 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,166 sermon challenged 106 00:05:09,266 --> 00:05:11,800 the historical 107 00:05:09,266 --> 00:05:11,800 reality of the Exodus. 108 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:14,200 Rabbi Wolpe, what did you say? 109 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:18,900 - I said that the Exodus 110 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:18,900 certainly didn't happen 111 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,166 the way the Bible depicted 112 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,166 it, assuming that it was 113 00:05:21,266 --> 00:05:24,500 a historical event 114 00:05:21,266 --> 00:05:24,500 in any description. 115 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,133 I think that if you look 116 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,133 at it scientifically, 117 00:05:27,233 --> 00:05:30,333 it's virtually indefensible 118 00:05:27,233 --> 00:05:30,333 to make the Bible's case. 119 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:32,433 But you also have to 120 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:32,433 understand that your faith 121 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:37,133 isn't based on splitting 122 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:37,133 seas or archaeological digs; 123 00:05:37,233 --> 00:05:39,266 it's based on 124 00:05:37,233 --> 00:05:39,266 something much deeper. 125 00:05:39,367 --> 00:05:42,600 - But if these are not facts, 126 00:05:39,367 --> 00:05:42,600 if this is a fairy story, 127 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:45,033 if this is fabricated somehow, 128 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,100 doesn't that undermine 129 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,100 the religious meaning? 130 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,500 In other words, doesn't 131 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,500 that change things? 132 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,033 - The extent to which 133 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,033 it has a historical core 134 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:55,667 is very hard to say, but my 135 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:55,667 deeper conviction about it 136 00:05:55,767 --> 00:05:59,066 is that it's a story that, 137 00:05:59,166 --> 00:06:03,000 whether it was true, it is true, 138 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:05,033 and those are two 139 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:05,033 different things. 140 00:06:05,133 --> 00:06:07,567 - That seems to be evading -- 141 00:06:05,133 --> 00:06:07,567 - Well, in other words, 142 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:10,066 things that aren't 143 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:10,066 facts can be truths. 144 00:06:11,333 --> 00:06:14,233 - What part of the Torah 145 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:16,567 would you grant 146 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:19,533 to be based upon 147 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:19,533 historical reality? 148 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:24,200 - I can't tell 149 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:24,200 you. I don't know. 150 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:29,233 I don't know and, although it 151 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:29,233 may irk people, I don't care. 152 00:06:30,233 --> 00:06:31,667 - [Voiceover] If the 153 00:06:30,233 --> 00:06:31,667 leading scholars agree 154 00:06:31,767 --> 00:06:34,867 with the most outspoken 155 00:06:31,767 --> 00:06:34,867 atheists and agnostics, 156 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:38,233 if even some rabbis agree 157 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:38,233 with the most skeptical 158 00:06:38,333 --> 00:06:41,066 archaeologists that 159 00:06:38,333 --> 00:06:41,066 there's no evidence at all 160 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,400 that the Exodus ever 161 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,400 really happened, 162 00:06:44,367 --> 00:06:46,633 then what are the rest 163 00:06:44,367 --> 00:06:46,633 of us supposed to think? 164 00:06:49,233 --> 00:06:51,133 If none of it happened, 165 00:06:51,233 --> 00:06:53,200 then the two religions 166 00:06:51,233 --> 00:06:53,200 of the Bible, 167 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:55,900 Judaism and Christianity, 168 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,800 are both based on 169 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,800 a gigantic lie. 170 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:05,233 It was the type of 171 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:05,233 question that troubled 172 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:09,000 a filmmaker from Minneapolis 173 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:09,000 named Timothy Mahoney. 174 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:12,467 As he probed more deeply, 175 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:12,467 little did Mahoney realize 176 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:14,767 how far his journey 177 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:14,767 would take him. 178 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,367 - [Tim] The more I 179 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,367 looked into the Exodus, 180 00:07:18,467 --> 00:07:20,567 the more I realized 181 00:07:18,467 --> 00:07:20,567 its significance. 182 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:24,834 I knew I had to investigate 183 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:24,834 this story for myself, 184 00:07:24,934 --> 00:07:27,867 and the first step was to 185 00:07:24,934 --> 00:07:27,867 explore whether there was 186 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:31,266 any hard evidence for 187 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:31,266 the Exodus at all. 188 00:07:36,967 --> 00:07:40,066 I began my journey by 189 00:07:36,967 --> 00:07:40,066 traveling to the very place 190 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:44,000 the Bible says it happened: 191 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:44,000 the ancient land of Egypt. 192 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:49,133 I was raised as a Christian 193 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:49,133 and I remember hearing 194 00:07:49,233 --> 00:07:52,500 amazing stories from 195 00:07:49,233 --> 00:07:52,500 the Bible as a child, 196 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,033 and I believed them. 197 00:07:56,033 --> 00:07:58,900 Stories about an ancient 198 00:07:56,033 --> 00:07:58,900 family of shepherds, 199 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,166 the sons of Jacob, who came 200 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,166 from a foreign land to Egypt. 201 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:05,700 They were enslaved 202 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:05,700 by the pharaoh, 203 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,567 then miraculously 204 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,567 delivered out of Egypt 205 00:08:08,667 --> 00:08:10,467 and journeyed across the desert 206 00:08:10,567 --> 00:08:12,500 to conquer the Promised Land. 207 00:08:14,967 --> 00:08:16,834 But, as I grew older, 208 00:08:16,934 --> 00:08:19,367 I was challenged to 209 00:08:16,934 --> 00:08:19,367 lose those beliefs. 210 00:08:20,767 --> 00:08:23,867 Now I just wanted 211 00:08:20,767 --> 00:08:23,867 to know the truth. 212 00:08:24,867 --> 00:08:29,400 (mystical music) 213 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:39,734 - [Voiceover] The Exodus is 214 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:39,734 believed by most scholars 215 00:08:39,834 --> 00:08:43,033 to have occurred in the 216 00:08:39,834 --> 00:08:43,033 reign of Ramesses II. 217 00:08:43,133 --> 00:08:47,266 Ramesses was Egypt's 218 00:08:43,133 --> 00:08:47,266 greatest builder king. 219 00:08:47,367 --> 00:08:48,834 Were these mighty monuments 220 00:08:48,934 --> 00:08:52,367 built on the sweat and 221 00:08:48,934 --> 00:08:52,367 toil of Hebrew slaves? 222 00:08:53,734 --> 00:08:55,433 - [Tim] If experts say 223 00:08:53,734 --> 00:08:55,433 there's no evidence 224 00:08:55,533 --> 00:08:57,467 during the time of Ramesses, 225 00:08:57,567 --> 00:09:00,467 why do they think he is 226 00:08:57,567 --> 00:09:00,467 the Pharaoh of the Exodus? 227 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,600 I'm no historian, so I had 228 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,600 to find a way to visualize 229 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:07,734 how the history of ancient Egypt 230 00:09:07,834 --> 00:09:09,867 related to the 231 00:09:07,834 --> 00:09:09,867 events of the Bible. 232 00:09:10,834 --> 00:09:13,400 The thought came to me 233 00:09:10,834 --> 00:09:13,400 to imagine a Wall of Time 234 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:17,000 extending back to the earliest 235 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:17,000 moments of civilization. 236 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:20,066 On the first level, 237 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:20,066 Egyptian history, 238 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:23,433 and above it the events 239 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:23,433 recorded in the Bible, 240 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:27,033 and at the bottom, a 241 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:27,033 timeline of absolute dates, 242 00:09:27,133 --> 00:09:30,233 an immovable base to gauge 243 00:09:27,133 --> 00:09:30,233 the events of history, 244 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:33,700 with great pylons marking 245 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:33,700 every thousand years. 246 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:39,900 - [Voiceover] Over the 247 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:39,900 course of 2,000 years, 248 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,367 Egypt experienced three 249 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,367 great periods of power. 250 00:09:43,467 --> 00:09:45,967 It began with the Old Kingdom, 251 00:09:46,066 --> 00:09:48,300 with its great 252 00:09:46,066 --> 00:09:48,300 pyramids of stone. 253 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:51,667 Then came the Middle Kingdom, 254 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:53,967 the highpoint of 255 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:53,967 art and literature. 256 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,000 Finally, the New Kingdom, 257 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:00,367 with its vast empires that 258 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:00,367 dominated foreign lands. 259 00:10:02,066 --> 00:10:04,934 These great periods 260 00:10:02,066 --> 00:10:04,934 of power were followed 261 00:10:05,033 --> 00:10:09,367 by dark periods of 262 00:10:05,033 --> 00:10:09,367 disunity and weakness. 263 00:10:10,533 --> 00:10:13,800 Ramesses II was a pharaoh 264 00:10:10,533 --> 00:10:13,800 of the New Kingdom 265 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:15,633 who ruled a grand empire 266 00:10:15,734 --> 00:10:18,233 and filled Egypt 267 00:10:15,734 --> 00:10:18,233 with his monuments. 268 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,400 There is one crucial 269 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,400 passage in the Bible 270 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:24,700 that leads many to 271 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:24,700 chain the Exodus event 272 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,166 to the time of Pharaoh Ramesses, 273 00:10:27,266 --> 00:10:31,066 in what is known as The 274 00:10:27,266 --> 00:10:31,066 Ramesses Exodus Theory. 275 00:10:31,166 --> 00:10:33,200 - A key to that 276 00:10:31,166 --> 00:10:33,200 theory is the building 277 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,033 of the city of Ramesses 278 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,033 mentioned in Exodus 1:11; 279 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:39,333 the Hebrews are making bricks 280 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:39,333 to build the city of Ramesses, 281 00:10:39,433 --> 00:10:42,467 or the storage 282 00:10:39,433 --> 00:10:42,467 facilities of Ramesses. 283 00:10:43,266 --> 00:10:44,533 - [Voiceover] Professor 284 00:10:43,266 --> 00:10:44,533 James Hoffmeier 285 00:10:44,633 --> 00:10:46,233 is one of the few Egyptologists 286 00:10:46,333 --> 00:10:49,333 who has written extensively 287 00:10:46,333 --> 00:10:49,333 on the biblical Exodus. 288 00:10:50,033 --> 00:10:53,100 - This important city, which 289 00:10:50,033 --> 00:10:53,100 we know Ramesses II built, 290 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,333 it's being excavated 291 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,333 even as we speak 292 00:10:56,433 --> 00:10:58,100 and continues to be studied. 293 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,900 This city has a 294 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,900 very brief history. 295 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,667 By around 1100 BC, 296 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,667 the city's gone. 297 00:11:03,767 --> 00:11:08,166 It has a very narrow history 298 00:11:03,767 --> 00:11:08,166 of no more than 200 years. 299 00:11:09,233 --> 00:11:11,967 So, the question is, if 300 00:11:09,233 --> 00:11:11,967 this building project 301 00:11:12,066 --> 00:11:14,700 that the Israelites 302 00:11:12,066 --> 00:11:14,700 are involved in, 303 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,200 is Ramesses II's 304 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,200 Delta residence, 305 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:21,233 then we have no 306 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:21,233 escape but to say 307 00:11:21,333 --> 00:11:23,166 this is an important 308 00:11:21,333 --> 00:11:23,166 chronological marker, 309 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:26,166 and that can only be somewhere 310 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:26,166 in the 13th century BC. 311 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:28,400 - [Tim] Dates in the BC period 312 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:31,500 can be confusing to work 313 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:31,500 with because they move 314 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,767 in the opposite direction 315 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,767 to modern AD dates. 316 00:11:34,867 --> 00:11:38,567 The farther back you go in 317 00:11:34,867 --> 00:11:38,567 time, the bigger the BC number. 318 00:11:38,667 --> 00:11:41,900 So the Ramesses Exodus 319 00:11:38,667 --> 00:11:41,900 Theory places the Exodus 320 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,900 about 250 years before 1000 BC, 321 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,667 or at about 1250 BC. 322 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:53,934 I wanted an Egyptian 323 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:53,934 perspective, 324 00:11:54,033 --> 00:11:56,433 so I went to see Mansour Boraik, 325 00:11:56,533 --> 00:11:59,100 director general of 326 00:11:56,533 --> 00:11:59,100 antiquities for Luxor, 327 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,066 one of Egypt's most important 328 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,066 archaeological sites. 329 00:12:03,166 --> 00:12:05,533 I asked Mansour if 330 00:12:03,166 --> 00:12:05,533 he was in agreement 331 00:12:05,633 --> 00:12:08,500 that there was no evidence 332 00:12:05,633 --> 00:12:08,500 for the early Israelites 333 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,233 or the Exodus in Egypt. 334 00:12:11,333 --> 00:12:14,033 - Nobody knows what 335 00:12:11,333 --> 00:12:14,033 the sands of Egypt 336 00:12:14,133 --> 00:12:15,800 can tell of secrets. 337 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:18,567 Maybe in the excavation 338 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:18,567 we can find some evidence. 339 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:23,700 But so far, there's 340 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:23,700 no documented evidence 341 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:23,700 about the Exodus. 342 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,467 But we know the Exodus 343 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,467 from the holy books. 344 00:12:26,567 --> 00:12:28,266 It's mentioned in the 345 00:12:26,567 --> 00:12:28,266 Koran, the Holy Koran. 346 00:12:28,367 --> 00:12:31,266 It's in the Holy bible, 347 00:12:28,367 --> 00:12:31,266 but in the ground, 348 00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:33,533 we have no evidence. 349 00:12:33,633 --> 00:12:38,066 (mystical music) 350 00:12:38,734 --> 00:12:41,600 - [Tim] Well it wasn't as if 351 00:12:38,734 --> 00:12:41,600 I hadn't heard this before, 352 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:44,133 but I was still hopeful 353 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:44,133 of finding something 354 00:12:44,233 --> 00:12:46,967 in the ruins of this 355 00:12:44,233 --> 00:12:46,967 magnificent civilization. 356 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,967 What I really needed, 357 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,967 though, was physical evidence 358 00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:56,266 of the cultural group that 359 00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:56,266 the Israelites were a part of: 360 00:12:56,367 --> 00:12:58,900 Semites, coming down 361 00:12:56,367 --> 00:12:58,900 to live in Egypt 362 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,033 from a land called Canaan. 363 00:13:02,367 --> 00:13:05,300 - [Voiceover] The problem is 364 00:13:02,367 --> 00:13:05,300 that no archaeological evidence 365 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,800 has turned up for these Semites 366 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:09,900 in the city built 367 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:09,900 by Ramesses II. 368 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,467 (lively music) 369 00:13:16,834 --> 00:13:18,066 - [Tim] But then, I 370 00:13:16,834 --> 00:13:18,066 heard of something 371 00:13:18,166 --> 00:13:19,867 that seemed astonishing. 372 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:23,200 New archaeological discoveries 373 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:23,200 of a city and a people 374 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:25,800 that appeared to match 375 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:25,800 the biblical story, 376 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:28,900 made at the very location 377 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:28,900 of the city of Ramesses, 378 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,500 where the Bible 379 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,500 places the Israelites. 380 00:13:32,834 --> 00:13:34,066 - [Voiceover] Mahoney 381 00:13:32,834 --> 00:13:34,066 would be interviewing 382 00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:36,967 one of the world's most 383 00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:36,967 respected Egyptologists. 384 00:13:38,533 --> 00:13:41,000 Professor Manfred Bietak 385 00:13:38,533 --> 00:13:41,000 and his Austrian team 386 00:13:41,100 --> 00:13:42,767 have been digging 387 00:13:41,100 --> 00:13:42,767 in Egypt's delta 388 00:13:42,867 --> 00:13:46,033 for over 30 years at 389 00:13:42,867 --> 00:13:46,033 the site of Avaris. 390 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,300 Avaris lies directly 391 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,300 below the southern sector 392 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,133 of the city of Ramesses. 393 00:13:52,066 --> 00:13:54,000 - [Tim] I asked 394 00:13:52,066 --> 00:13:54,000 Manfred to tell me 395 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,500 about these exciting new finds. 396 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,767 - We uncovered the remains 397 00:13:58,867 --> 00:14:03,767 of a huge town of 250 hectares 398 00:14:03,867 --> 00:14:06,533 with a population 399 00:14:03,867 --> 00:14:06,533 of approximately 400 00:14:06,633 --> 00:14:10,767 25,000 - 30,000 individuals. 401 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:15,500 These were people 402 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:15,500 who originated from 403 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,166 Canaan, Syria-Palestine. 404 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:21,667 Originally they may 405 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:21,667 have come here as 406 00:14:21,767 --> 00:14:23,900 subjects of the Egyptian crown 407 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,266 or with the blessing 408 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,266 of the Egyptian crown. 409 00:14:26,367 --> 00:14:31,000 Obviously, the town enjoyed 410 00:14:26,367 --> 00:14:31,000 something like a special status, 411 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:34,800 like a free zone, 412 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:34,800 something like that. 413 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:37,934 - [Tim] This sounded 414 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:37,934 exactly like the Bible. 415 00:14:38,033 --> 00:14:40,967 Pharaoh gave his blessing by 416 00:14:38,033 --> 00:14:40,967 allowing the early Israelites 417 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:44,066 to freely settle in 418 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:44,066 the best part of Egypt. 419 00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:45,600 Once there, they 420 00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:45,600 and their flocks 421 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:47,934 prospered and 422 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:47,934 multiplied greatly. 423 00:14:48,033 --> 00:14:50,600 This was just what 424 00:14:48,033 --> 00:14:50,600 I was looking for. 425 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:51,967 So I asked him, 426 00:14:52,066 --> 00:14:55,266 could these foreigners 427 00:14:52,066 --> 00:14:55,266 be the early Israelites? 428 00:14:55,367 --> 00:15:00,266 - We have some 429 00:14:55,367 --> 00:15:00,266 evidence of shepherds. 430 00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:02,734 We find again and 431 00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:02,734 again in this area, 432 00:15:02,834 --> 00:15:06,100 pits with goats and sheep. 433 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,200 So we know shephers, 434 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,200 probably Bedouins, 435 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:12,000 with huge herds 436 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:12,000 roamed around this, 437 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:16,767 But to connect this with 438 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:16,767 the proto-Israelites 439 00:15:16,867 --> 00:15:19,700 is a very weak affair. 440 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,000 - [Tim] I was stunned 441 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,000 when Manfred said 442 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:23,667 it was a weak affair. 443 00:15:24,533 --> 00:15:26,767 Why couldn't these 444 00:15:24,533 --> 00:15:26,767 be the Israelites 445 00:15:26,867 --> 00:15:29,200 when they match the 446 00:15:26,867 --> 00:15:29,200 Bible's story so well? 447 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:32,533 According to my 448 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:32,533 opinion, the settlement 449 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:35,600 of the proto-Israelites 450 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:35,600 in Canaan 451 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:39,800 only happened from the 452 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:39,800 12th century BC onwards. 453 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,266 - [Tim] What Manfred 454 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,266 was telling me 455 00:15:42,367 --> 00:15:44,734 is that the physical 456 00:15:42,367 --> 00:15:44,734 evidence of these people 457 00:15:44,834 --> 00:15:47,066 is centuries too 458 00:15:44,834 --> 00:15:47,066 early to be connected 459 00:15:47,166 --> 00:15:49,033 to the events of the Exodus. 460 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,800 This is profound, 461 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:55,633 because no Israelites in 462 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:55,633 Egypt means no Exodus, 463 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:57,967 and no Exodus means 464 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:57,967 that the foundation 465 00:15:58,066 --> 00:16:00,767 of Judaism is a myth. 466 00:16:02,734 --> 00:16:05,300 And for Christians, 467 00:16:02,734 --> 00:16:05,300 it means Jesus Christ 468 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,233 and the writers of the 469 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,233 New Testament got it wrong 470 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:11,300 because they all 471 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:11,300 accepted the reality 472 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,567 of Moses and the Exodus, and 473 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,567 built their teachings on them. 474 00:16:17,033 --> 00:16:21,567 (slow guitar music) 475 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:27,166 I returned home from Egypt. 476 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:30,600 I wanted to be open-minded, 477 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,533 but as I replayed the 478 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,533 interview in my thoughts, 479 00:16:34,433 --> 00:16:36,300 a cold chill came over me. 480 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:41,233 All my life I had believed the 481 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:41,233 Bible's stories to be true. 482 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:44,800 I know some people say 483 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:47,433 you don't need any 484 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:47,433 evidence, just have faith. 485 00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:51,166 But if there's no hard 486 00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:51,166 evidence for any of it, 487 00:16:51,266 --> 00:16:55,166 had I been believing 488 00:16:51,266 --> 00:16:55,166 in a lie all this time? 489 00:16:57,867 --> 00:17:00,633 And what about my 490 00:16:57,867 --> 00:17:00,633 kids and grandkids? 491 00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:03,033 What should they 492 00:17:00,734 --> 00:17:03,033 put their faith in? 493 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:06,867 Whether you believe 494 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:06,867 these stories or not, 495 00:17:06,967 --> 00:17:09,667 isn't it important to 496 00:17:06,967 --> 00:17:09,667 know what's really true? 497 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:16,266 The more I thought about it, 498 00:17:16,367 --> 00:17:18,934 the more I realized 499 00:17:16,367 --> 00:17:18,934 I couldn't stop now, 500 00:17:19,667 --> 00:17:21,633 no matter how hard it would be. 501 00:17:21,734 --> 00:17:23,567 (lively music) 502 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:25,600 I made a decision. 503 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:27,834 I had to go back to Egypt. 504 00:17:30,233 --> 00:17:31,767 - [Voiceover] Mahoney 505 00:17:30,233 --> 00:17:31,767 arranged to meet with one 506 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:35,834 of America's leading 507 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:35,834 Egyptologists, 508 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:35,834 Professor Kent Weeks. 509 00:17:35,934 --> 00:17:39,166 He rediscovered KV5, 510 00:17:35,934 --> 00:17:39,166 the tomb of the sons 511 00:17:39,266 --> 00:17:42,433 of Ramesses II in the 512 00:17:39,266 --> 00:17:42,433 Valley of the Kings. 513 00:17:43,533 --> 00:17:45,467 He brought up a crucial issue 514 00:17:45,567 --> 00:17:48,133 when considering the 515 00:17:45,567 --> 00:17:48,133 problems with these events. 516 00:17:48,834 --> 00:17:51,033 - [Kent] Ramesses II as 517 00:17:48,834 --> 00:17:51,033 the Pharaoh of the Exodus, 518 00:17:51,133 --> 00:17:53,166 how can we prove that? 519 00:17:53,266 --> 00:17:55,266 Chronology doesn't really help. 520 00:17:55,367 --> 00:17:58,867 The chronology of Egypt 521 00:17:55,367 --> 00:17:58,867 is still a bit ambiguous. 522 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,767 Correlations between 523 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,767 Egyptian chronology 524 00:18:01,867 --> 00:18:03,734 and that of other cultures 525 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:06,867 in the ancient Near East 526 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:06,867 is even more confusing. 527 00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:09,967 We don't know precisely 528 00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:09,967 when the Exodus happened. 529 00:18:10,066 --> 00:18:11,967 Some people say it 530 00:18:10,066 --> 00:18:11,967 was Ramesses II. 531 00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:14,633 It makes nice theater 532 00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:14,633 because he was 533 00:18:14,734 --> 00:18:18,033 a great powerful ruler, 534 00:18:14,734 --> 00:18:18,033 everybody knows his name, 535 00:18:18,133 --> 00:18:20,333 he built fantastic monuments. 536 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:21,967 Everything really is appealing 537 00:18:22,066 --> 00:18:24,800 to have him be 538 00:18:22,066 --> 00:18:24,800 the one to choose. 539 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,934 - Because he'd be a very 540 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,934 large opponent, wouldn't he? 541 00:18:28,033 --> 00:18:29,400 - He would be indeed. 542 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,133 So, yeah, pick Ramesses II 543 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,133 as the pharaoh of the Exodus, 544 00:18:32,233 --> 00:18:34,367 but other 545 00:18:32,233 --> 00:18:34,367 Egyptologists disagree. 546 00:18:34,467 --> 00:18:36,900 Almost any pharaoh could be 547 00:18:34,467 --> 00:18:36,900 the pharaoh of the Exodus, 548 00:18:37,633 --> 00:18:40,667 if we can prove there 549 00:18:37,633 --> 00:18:40,667 even was an Exodus. 550 00:18:40,767 --> 00:18:43,834 - [Tim] But if Ramesses wasn't 551 00:18:40,767 --> 00:18:43,834 the pharaoh of the Exodus, 552 00:18:43,934 --> 00:18:45,266 then who was? 553 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:48,200 Looking for the Exodus 554 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:48,200 in a different time 555 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:50,900 or reign could be the solution. 556 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,066 Maybe Ramesses is the problem? 557 00:18:53,934 --> 00:18:57,000 I found Mansour's 558 00:18:53,934 --> 00:18:57,000 openness refreshing. 559 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:59,166 - Scientifically, you 560 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:59,166 have to open your mind 561 00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:01,667 to all opinions, 562 00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:01,667 read it by yourself. 563 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:04,533 Don't let anybody 564 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:04,533 affect what you believe. 565 00:19:04,633 --> 00:19:05,767 But also on the other hand, 566 00:19:05,867 --> 00:19:08,266 you have to accept 567 00:19:05,867 --> 00:19:08,266 the other opinions. 568 00:19:08,367 --> 00:19:11,033 Your opinions are not 569 00:19:08,367 --> 00:19:11,033 always the right opinions. 570 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:12,467 You have to accept 571 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:12,467 the other opinons 572 00:19:12,567 --> 00:19:14,333 and debate wtih me, discuss. 573 00:19:14,433 --> 00:19:17,433 You can convince me or 574 00:19:14,433 --> 00:19:17,433 shall I convince you? 575 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:19,100 Leave it to the public to judge. 576 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,033 We have a myth, we have a story, 577 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:22,967 it's in the holy 578 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:22,967 books; who knows? 579 00:19:23,066 --> 00:19:26,033 And then you will come 580 00:19:23,066 --> 00:19:26,033 with a conclusion. 581 00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:28,166 This conclusion will be 582 00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:28,166 in front of the public. 583 00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:29,834 The public can judge. 584 00:19:29,934 --> 00:19:32,433 - [Tim] It was clear, I 585 00:19:29,934 --> 00:19:32,433 needed a new approach. 586 00:19:33,533 --> 00:19:37,133 What might even be considered 587 00:19:33,533 --> 00:19:37,133 a scientific approach, 588 00:19:37,233 --> 00:19:39,400 beginning by taking 589 00:19:37,233 --> 00:19:39,400 a closer look 590 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,934 at the details of 591 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,934 the biblical story. 592 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,734 - [Voiceover] The oldest 593 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,734 accounts of the Exodus 594 00:19:45,834 --> 00:19:47,934 were written down in Hebrew, 595 00:19:48,033 --> 00:19:51,734 in the first five books of 596 00:19:48,033 --> 00:19:51,734 the Bible known as the Torah. 597 00:19:52,533 --> 00:19:54,333 - [Tim] I asked 598 00:19:52,533 --> 00:19:54,333 Rabbi Manis Friedman, 599 00:19:54,433 --> 00:19:57,000 a member of Judaism's 600 00:19:54,433 --> 00:19:57,000 Orthodox branch, 601 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,200 to recount the ancient 602 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,200 stories of the Bible 603 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:01,500 from these sacred scrolls. 604 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,934 In order to test 605 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,934 the Exodus fairly, 606 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:06,834 I wanted to know what the 607 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:06,834 story was actually claiming. 608 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:10,000 - [Manis] The 609 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:10,000 story of the Exodus 610 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:13,367 begins before the 611 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:13,367 Israelites leave Egypt. 612 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:18,467 (sheep bleating) 613 00:20:20,767 --> 00:20:22,600 It begins with Abraham 614 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,567 when God brings him 615 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:24,567 to the land of Canaan 616 00:20:24,667 --> 00:20:26,700 and makes a covenant with him 617 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,500 and, in that covenant, 618 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,500 spells out the entire Exodus. 619 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:38,767 The Lord said to Abraham, 620 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:38,767 "All this land you see 621 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,467 "I will give to you and 622 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,467 your offspring forever. 623 00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:48,500 "Go, walk through the length 624 00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:48,500 and breadth of this land, 625 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,734 "for I am giving it to you." 626 00:20:53,066 --> 00:20:55,767 On that day, the 627 00:20:53,066 --> 00:20:55,767 Lord made a covenant, 628 00:20:55,867 --> 00:20:58,500 a formal promise to Abraham. 629 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,800 He said, "To your descendants, 630 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,800 I give this land." 631 00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:11,667 God led Abraham 632 00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:11,667 outside and He said, 633 00:21:11,767 --> 00:21:15,767 "Look up to heaven and 634 00:21:11,767 --> 00:21:15,767 count the stars, if you can. 635 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:20,266 "So numerous will 636 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:20,266 your offspring be." 637 00:21:24,667 --> 00:21:28,834 And God said, "Your 638 00:21:24,667 --> 00:21:28,834 descendants will be foreigners 639 00:21:28,934 --> 00:21:31,333 "in a country not their own. 640 00:21:31,433 --> 00:21:33,633 "They will be enslaved 641 00:21:31,433 --> 00:21:33,633 and oppressed. 642 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,567 "But I will judge the 643 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,567 nation they serve as slaves, 644 00:21:37,667 --> 00:21:39,467 "and afterward 645 00:21:37,667 --> 00:21:39,467 they will come out 646 00:21:39,567 --> 00:21:43,066 "with great possessions 647 00:21:39,567 --> 00:21:43,066 and return here." 648 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:47,734 - [Voiceover] 649 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:47,734 According to the text, 650 00:21:47,834 --> 00:21:51,533 the events of the Exodus were 651 00:21:47,834 --> 00:21:51,533 not a historical accident. 652 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,600 They were directed 653 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,600 by the God of Abraham 654 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:56,300 every step of the way. 655 00:21:59,033 --> 00:22:01,000 - [Tim] As my team and 656 00:21:59,033 --> 00:22:01,000 I looked more closely 657 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,200 at this account, 658 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,200 we could see that 659 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,100 these biblical events 660 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,100 formed a sequence, 661 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,300 a sequence that could guide 662 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,300 the entire investigation. 663 00:22:10,834 --> 00:22:14,100 I imagined the six steps 664 00:22:10,834 --> 00:22:14,100 of the biblical sequence, 665 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,600 the major events of 666 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,600 the Exodus story, 667 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,600 running parallel to Egyptian 668 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,600 history, starting with: 669 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,867 the arrival of Abraham's 670 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,867 descendants in Egypt, 671 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,767 their tremendous multiplication, 672 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:29,467 their descent into slavery, 673 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,900 the judgment of the 674 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,900 nation that enslaved them, 675 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,567 their deliverance and 676 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,567 exodus out of Egypt, 677 00:22:37,467 --> 00:22:39,166 and, finally, in Canaan, 678 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:41,400 their conquest of 679 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:41,400 the Promised Land. 680 00:22:42,967 --> 00:22:45,233 If the Exodus really happened, 681 00:22:45,333 --> 00:22:47,967 there are elements in 682 00:22:45,333 --> 00:22:47,967 the story that are so big 683 00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:49,934 that you'd think some 684 00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:49,934 remnants of evidence 685 00:22:50,033 --> 00:22:53,700 would've been left behind, 686 00:22:50,033 --> 00:22:53,700 somewhere in Egypt's history. 687 00:22:55,033 --> 00:22:56,767 We knew science solved problems 688 00:22:56,867 --> 00:22:59,300 by looking for 689 00:22:56,867 --> 00:22:59,300 patterns of evidence 690 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,033 and a truly scientific approach 691 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,033 looks for those patterns, 692 00:23:03,133 --> 00:23:05,200 no matter where they exist. 693 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,266 I set out to see 694 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,266 whether a pattern 695 00:23:09,367 --> 00:23:11,867 matching this sequence 696 00:23:09,367 --> 00:23:11,867 could be found, 697 00:23:11,967 --> 00:23:13,767 starting with the first step, 698 00:23:14,433 --> 00:23:17,533 the "arrival" of the 699 00:23:14,433 --> 00:23:17,533 Israelites in Egypt. 700 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,033 - The book of Genesis tells us 701 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:27,100 that the first descendant of 702 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:27,100 Abraham to arrive in Egypt 703 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,767 was his great-grandson, 704 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,767 Joseph the son of Jacob. 705 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,834 Joseph's brothers had 706 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,834 sold him as a slave, 707 00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:37,433 to a caravan of traders who 708 00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:37,433 brought him down to Egypt. 709 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,400 Then, in an amazing 710 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,400 turn of events, 711 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,533 he rises to become the 712 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,533 highest official in Egypt, 713 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:48,033 he saves the country 714 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:48,033 from a terrible famine, 715 00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:50,934 enables his father, Jacob, 716 00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:50,934 and his entire family 717 00:23:51,033 --> 00:23:53,266 to settle in the best 718 00:23:51,033 --> 00:23:53,266 part of the land, 719 00:23:53,367 --> 00:23:55,000 a place called Goshen. 720 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,700 - [Tim] My objective was to 721 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,700 see if any specific evidence 722 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,233 had been uncovered of 723 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,233 this Semitic family-group 724 00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:06,700 arriving in Egypt, 725 00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:06,700 as told in the Bible. 726 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,400 So, far I had none. 727 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,400 - So far, not. 728 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:15,433 We only know we have some 729 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:15,433 evidence of shepherds -- 730 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 So far, not. 731 00:24:20,233 --> 00:24:21,567 - [Tim] I was stuck. 732 00:24:21,667 --> 00:24:24,300 But that was soon to 733 00:24:21,667 --> 00:24:24,300 change, when suddenly, 734 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,834 something was telling 735 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,834 me to go to my library 736 00:24:26,934 --> 00:24:29,734 and search out a book 737 00:24:26,934 --> 00:24:29,734 given to me a year earlier, 738 00:24:29,834 --> 00:24:31,367 that I had never read. 739 00:24:31,467 --> 00:24:35,834 (somber music) 740 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,100 What startled me was that 741 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,100 this author had answers 742 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,734 to the very doubts that 743 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,734 Beitek had raised in me. 744 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,567 He had spent his whole life 745 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,567 exploring the Middle East, 746 00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,266 a man familiar with the 747 00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,266 mysterious inscriptions 748 00:24:59,367 --> 00:25:01,133 and hieroglyphs of the pharaohs, 749 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,667 and what they might reveal 750 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,667 about the biblical stories. 751 00:25:04,767 --> 00:25:08,467 (celestial music) 752 00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:10,700 - [Voiceover] David 753 00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:10,700 Rohl, author, historian 754 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,900 and Egyptologist is an agnostic, 755 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,400 someone who remains unconvinced 756 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,400 of the existence of God. 757 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,800 Yet, he clearly sees 758 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,800 archaeological evidence 759 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,100 of the biblical Joseph, 760 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,100 Jacob and the early Hebrews 761 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,567 in the Nile Delta 762 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,567 region of Egypt. 763 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:31,166 Rohl believes that 764 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:31,166 many Egyptologists 765 00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:32,767 have missed evidence 766 00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:32,767 for the Exodus 767 00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:34,600 because they have 768 00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:34,600 been looking for it 769 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,700 in the wrong time period. 770 00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:40,200 While most scholars 771 00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:40,200 think that the events 772 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:42,900 of the Exodus happened 773 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:42,900 in the New Kingdom, 774 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,400 David Rohl's view 775 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,400 would put the Exodus 776 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,800 in an entirely different period, 777 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,867 the earlier Middle Kingdom, 778 00:25:48,967 --> 00:25:51,934 where he claims evidence 779 00:25:48,967 --> 00:25:51,934 for the Exodus can be seen. 780 00:25:54,633 --> 00:25:56,633 - [Tim] I wanted him to 781 00:25:54,633 --> 00:25:56,633 explain why he had come 782 00:25:56,734 --> 00:25:59,633 to such a different 783 00:25:56,734 --> 00:25:59,633 conclusion than Manfred Bietak 784 00:25:59,734 --> 00:26:02,667 about Joseph and the 785 00:25:59,734 --> 00:26:02,667 early Israelites. 786 00:26:04,066 --> 00:26:06,100 Tell me, who is Manfred Bietak? 787 00:26:06,734 --> 00:26:08,166 - Manfred Bietak is probably 788 00:26:08,266 --> 00:26:10,800 one of the greatest 789 00:26:08,266 --> 00:26:10,800 archaeologists alive today 790 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:12,867 and he's dug up one of 791 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:12,867 the most important sites 792 00:26:12,967 --> 00:26:15,266 in the eastern delta, 793 00:26:12,967 --> 00:26:15,266 a city called Avaris, 794 00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:18,233 which is in the land of Goshen, 795 00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:18,233 which the Bible calls it. 796 00:26:18,333 --> 00:26:19,367 And I believe this is the place 797 00:26:19,467 --> 00:26:21,233 where Joseph and 798 00:26:19,467 --> 00:26:21,233 his brethren lived. 799 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:23,133 - Well, I went to see Manfred 800 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:23,133 Bietak ... - [David] Right. 801 00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:24,867 - ... and that's 802 00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:24,867 not what he said. 803 00:26:24,967 --> 00:26:27,600 He said there's no evidence of 804 00:26:24,967 --> 00:26:27,600 this at the time of Ramesses. 805 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,333 - Exactly right. Most 806 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:29,333 scholars will say, 807 00:26:29,433 --> 00:26:30,934 if you look at the 808 00:26:29,433 --> 00:26:30,934 city of Ramesses, 809 00:26:31,033 --> 00:26:33,433 there are no Asiatics there, 810 00:26:31,033 --> 00:26:33,433 there are no western Asiatics 811 00:26:33,533 --> 00:26:35,100 living at that particular city. 812 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,967 But dig down a bit 813 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,967 a little bit deeper 814 00:26:37,066 --> 00:26:38,934 and you do find a 815 00:26:37,066 --> 00:26:38,934 city full of Asiatics. 816 00:26:39,033 --> 00:26:40,233 - Yeah, but the Bible 817 00:26:39,033 --> 00:26:40,233 says it happened 818 00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:41,900 at the time of Ramesses. 819 00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:41,900 - [David] Uh-huh. 820 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,333 - What are you saying? 821 00:26:43,433 --> 00:26:45,066 - [David] I'm saying that 822 00:26:43,433 --> 00:26:45,066 this particular mention 823 00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:47,633 of the city of Ramesses, 824 00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:47,633 the building of Ramesses, 825 00:26:47,734 --> 00:26:49,633 is what we call 826 00:26:47,734 --> 00:26:49,633 an "anachronism". 827 00:26:49,734 --> 00:26:50,734 It's something that's been added 828 00:26:50,834 --> 00:26:52,967 into the text 829 00:26:50,834 --> 00:26:52,967 later by an editor. 830 00:26:53,066 --> 00:26:54,967 So what the editor is 831 00:26:53,066 --> 00:26:54,967 basically saying is, 832 00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:58,200 this is the place where the 833 00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:58,200 Israelites built the store city 834 00:26:58,300 --> 00:26:59,767 and we know it 835 00:26:58,300 --> 00:26:59,767 today as Ramesses. 836 00:26:59,867 --> 00:27:01,867 Well, in the ancient times, 837 00:26:59,867 --> 00:27:01,867 it was called Avaris. 838 00:27:01,967 --> 00:27:05,066 - Okay, so the people would 839 00:27:01,967 --> 00:27:05,066 know the area, the region -- 840 00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:07,500 - The people of the 841 00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:07,500 Bible would've known 842 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,834 where Ramesses was, 843 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,834 and where therefore 844 00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:12,333 their ancestors 845 00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:12,333 actually built the city. 846 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,333 - [Tim] I also found that the 847 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,333 Bible in the book of Genesis, 848 00:27:17,433 --> 00:27:19,734 uses the word "Ramesses" 849 00:27:17,433 --> 00:27:19,734 hundreds of years 850 00:27:19,834 --> 00:27:23,300 before Pharaoh Ramesses 851 00:27:19,834 --> 00:27:23,300 or his city existed, 852 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,333 to describe the land where 853 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,333 Joseph's family settled. 854 00:27:27,033 --> 00:27:29,066 So, if the name 855 00:27:27,033 --> 00:27:29,066 Ramesses in Genesis 856 00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:32,834 does not refer to the time 857 00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:32,834 of Pharaoh Ramesses II, 858 00:27:32,934 --> 00:27:34,867 then why should the 859 00:27:32,934 --> 00:27:34,867 mention of Ramesses 860 00:27:34,967 --> 00:27:38,100 in the book of Exodus 861 00:27:34,967 --> 00:27:38,100 be any different? 862 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,867 - [David] Now, this 863 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,867 Avaris is the city 864 00:27:39,967 --> 00:27:42,667 which lies under the 865 00:27:39,967 --> 00:27:42,667 biblical Ramesses. 866 00:27:42,767 --> 00:27:44,400 Ramesses of the New Kingdom, 867 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,533 Avaris of the Middle 868 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,533 Kingdom, the 13th Dynasty. 869 00:27:47,633 --> 00:27:51,233 It lies underneath the city 870 00:27:47,633 --> 00:27:51,233 that's mentioned in the Bible. 871 00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:53,367 So, when Bietak digs 872 00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:53,367 up a huge population 873 00:27:53,467 --> 00:27:56,700 of Semitic speaking peoples 874 00:27:53,467 --> 00:27:56,700 with Semitic culture, 875 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,433 living in this city of Avaris 876 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,433 for several hundred years, 877 00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:03,066 and then, at the end of the 878 00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:03,066 period, these Semites all leave, 879 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:05,734 depart with their belongings 880 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:05,734 and abandon the city, 881 00:28:05,834 --> 00:28:07,967 whatever Manfred 882 00:28:05,834 --> 00:28:07,967 says, that to me 883 00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:10,233 sounds awfully like 884 00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:10,233 the Israelites. 885 00:28:11,934 --> 00:28:15,100 - Well what he told me was 886 00:28:11,934 --> 00:28:15,100 that there was no connection. 887 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,967 - [David] Well, look at the 888 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,967 evidence that you've got here. 889 00:28:18,066 --> 00:28:19,400 Right at the 890 00:28:18,066 --> 00:28:19,400 beginning, at the heart 891 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,033 of this community at the 892 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,033 end of the 12th Dynasty, 893 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:23,967 we see a Syrian house appear. 894 00:28:24,066 --> 00:28:26,800 The Austrians call 895 00:28:24,066 --> 00:28:26,800 them Mittelsaal houses. 896 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:29,233 This type of house is 897 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:29,233 found in North Syria, 898 00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,266 the area where 899 00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,266 Abraham came from. 900 00:28:31,367 --> 00:28:32,900 It's exactly the 901 00:28:31,367 --> 00:28:32,900 same style of house 902 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000 you'd expect Jacob to 903 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000 build for himself in Egypt. 904 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:38,066 And we know that the 905 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:38,066 Israelites sought their brides 906 00:28:38,166 --> 00:28:40,367 from Harran in that region. 907 00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:43,333 They all went back to get 908 00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:43,333 their brides from there. 909 00:28:43,433 --> 00:28:45,133 So, the culture that 910 00:28:43,433 --> 00:28:45,133 turns up in Egypt 911 00:28:45,233 --> 00:28:46,767 at the end of the 12th Dynasty 912 00:28:46,867 --> 00:28:49,567 seems to have come from 913 00:28:46,867 --> 00:28:49,567 North Syria originally. 914 00:28:50,433 --> 00:28:53,233 - [Tim] So, what is 915 00:28:50,433 --> 00:28:53,233 the connection with 916 00:28:50,433 --> 00:28:53,233 Joseph at Avaris? 917 00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:55,633 - Well after this house of 918 00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:55,633 Jacob, if we can call it that, 919 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,600 is built, eventually 920 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,600 it's flattened, 921 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:01,567 and on top of it an Egyptian 922 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:01,567 palace is constructed, 923 00:29:01,667 --> 00:29:03,533 Egyptian architecture this time. 924 00:29:03,633 --> 00:29:05,800 However, the occupant 925 00:29:03,633 --> 00:29:05,800 was not Egyptian. 926 00:29:07,333 --> 00:29:11,834 The palace had courtyards, 927 00:29:07,333 --> 00:29:11,834 colonnades, audience chambers. 928 00:29:11,934 --> 00:29:14,066 There was even a robing room. 929 00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:16,867 It obviously belonged to 930 00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:16,867 some high official of state, 931 00:29:16,967 --> 00:29:19,200 who was very, very 932 00:29:16,967 --> 00:29:19,200 important to that state, 933 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,233 because when somebody 934 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,233 gets a palace like this 935 00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:23,133 given to them, it means 936 00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:23,133 they've been honored 937 00:29:23,233 --> 00:29:25,100 for what they've 938 00:29:23,233 --> 00:29:25,100 done for the state. 939 00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,800 Now, in the garden 940 00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,800 behind the palace, 941 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,767 the archaeologists 942 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,767 found 12 main graves 943 00:29:30,867 --> 00:29:33,433 with memorial chapels 944 00:29:30,867 --> 00:29:33,433 on top of them. 945 00:29:33,533 --> 00:29:35,467 - [Tim] You have 12 graves? 946 00:29:33,533 --> 00:29:35,467 - [David] We have 12 graves. 947 00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:37,266 - But why would 948 00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:37,266 that be significant? 949 00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:40,734 - Well, think about it: how 950 00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:40,734 many sons did Jacob have? 951 00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:42,233 - He had 12. 952 00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:42,233 - How many tribes were there? 953 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:43,667 - Twelve tribes. 954 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:43,667 - Exactly. 955 00:29:43,767 --> 00:29:46,734 And what's also amazing is 956 00:29:43,767 --> 00:29:46,734 the palace had a façade, 957 00:29:46,834 --> 00:29:49,233 a portico with 12 pillars. 958 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,066 So you've got 12 959 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,066 sons, 12 tribes, 12 960 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,066 pillars, and 12 tombs. 961 00:29:55,166 --> 00:29:57,734 - Interesting. 962 00:29:55,166 --> 00:29:57,734 - Yeah. Is that all coincidence? 963 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,567 Now, one of these 12 964 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,567 graves was very special, 965 00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:03,834 because it was a pyramid tomb. 966 00:30:03,934 --> 00:30:06,700 This in itself is extraordinary 967 00:30:03,934 --> 00:30:06,700 because only pharaohs 968 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,533 and queens had pyramid 969 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,533 tombs at this time. 970 00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:13,266 Yet the person buried in 971 00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:13,266 this tomb was not a king. 972 00:30:13,367 --> 00:30:16,100 Even so, he was honored 973 00:30:13,367 --> 00:30:16,100 with a king's burial. 974 00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:20,500 And, inside the chapel of 975 00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:20,500 the tomb, was a statue. 976 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,734 What we know from the statue 977 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,734 is that this man had red hair. 978 00:30:24,834 --> 00:30:26,600 He had pale yellow skin, 979 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,166 which is how Egyptians 980 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,166 depict northerners. 981 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:31,767 He had a throw stick 982 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:31,767 across his shoulder, 983 00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:35,400 a unique symbol of office 984 00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:35,400 made for this Asiatic official 985 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,367 living in the land of Goshen. 986 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,967 And on the back of his shoulder, 987 00:30:40,066 --> 00:30:42,934 we see the faintest 988 00:30:40,066 --> 00:30:42,934 remains of paint, 989 00:30:43,033 --> 00:30:46,200 colored stripes from 990 00:30:43,033 --> 00:30:46,200 a multicolored coat. 991 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,500 And that matches exactly 992 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,633 with the story of 993 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,633 Joseph in the Bible. 994 00:30:49,734 --> 00:30:51,600 The multicolored coat is a gift, 995 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,734 which shows that he was 996 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,734 the favorite of the father. 997 00:30:54,834 --> 00:30:57,767 And it almost becomes 998 00:30:54,834 --> 00:30:57,767 his insignia, this coat. 999 00:30:57,867 --> 00:31:00,433 It's the thing we remember 1000 00:30:57,867 --> 00:31:00,433 about him most of all. 1001 00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:02,734 - Do you know of 1002 00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:02,734 any other statues 1003 00:31:02,834 --> 00:31:05,166 of a Semite of 1004 00:31:02,834 --> 00:31:05,166 this kind in Egypt? 1005 00:31:05,266 --> 00:31:07,000 - There is nothing 1006 00:31:05,266 --> 00:31:07,000 else like this 1007 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,900 in the whole of Egyptian 1008 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,900 history, nothing at all. 1009 00:31:10,734 --> 00:31:12,767 - [Voiceover] David 1010 00:31:10,734 --> 00:31:12,767 Rohl is not the only one 1011 00:31:12,867 --> 00:31:15,600 to see a connection 1012 00:31:12,867 --> 00:31:15,600 with Joseph at Avaris. 1013 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,400 Mahoney went to see 1014 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,400 Professor Charles Aling, 1015 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,033 an Egyptologist who 1016 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,033 has also investigated 1017 00:31:21,133 --> 00:31:24,133 the events of the Exodus 1018 00:31:21,133 --> 00:31:24,133 and its connection to Egypt. 1019 00:31:24,233 --> 00:31:26,700 - Would it be unusual for 1020 00:31:24,233 --> 00:31:26,700 a tomb to have a statue? 1021 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,867 - No. It's unusual to 1022 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,867 have one this large. 1023 00:31:28,967 --> 00:31:31,000 This would be probably twice 1024 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:32,967 the size of a 1025 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:32,967 normal human being. 1026 00:31:33,066 --> 00:31:35,734 - [Tim] What does that tell 1027 00:31:33,066 --> 00:31:35,734 you when the statue's larger? 1028 00:31:35,834 --> 00:31:37,834 - That it's a very 1029 00:31:35,834 --> 00:31:37,834 important person. 1030 00:31:37,934 --> 00:31:41,567 Now of course, this is not a 1031 00:31:37,934 --> 00:31:41,567 pharaoh's tomb or a palace, 1032 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:43,834 but the man who lived 1033 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:43,834 there, you can identify 1034 00:31:43,934 --> 00:31:47,633 his nationality by looking at 1035 00:31:43,934 --> 00:31:47,633 the fragments of the statue. 1036 00:31:47,734 --> 00:31:50,100 Three things: the 1037 00:31:47,734 --> 00:31:50,100 hairstyle he has, 1038 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,600 which we often call 1039 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,600 the mushroom hairstyle; 1040 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,567 and then, secondly, 1041 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,567 the weapon he carries 1042 00:31:54,667 --> 00:31:56,800 over his shoulder, 1043 00:31:54,667 --> 00:31:56,800 called a throw-stick, 1044 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,266 which we would associate with 1045 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,266 like an Australian boomerang; 1046 00:32:00,367 --> 00:32:03,433 and then the coloration of 1047 00:32:00,367 --> 00:32:03,433 the skin, the skin is yellow. 1048 00:32:03,533 --> 00:32:05,200 All those things 1049 00:32:03,533 --> 00:32:05,200 indicate that this would 1050 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,533 have been a Syro-Palestinian. 1051 00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:10,734 - [Tim] Dr. Aling, do 1052 00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:10,734 you think this is Joseph? 1053 00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:13,767 - Either it is Joseph, 1054 00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:13,767 or it's somebody that has 1055 00:32:13,867 --> 00:32:17,400 a career remarkably 1056 00:32:13,867 --> 00:32:17,400 the same as Joseph did. 1057 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,300 It's just an incredible thing 1058 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,166 to find this at 1059 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,166 this time period. 1060 00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:26,567 (mystical music) 1061 00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:35,667 (energetic music) 1062 00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:40,900 - [Voiceover] The 1063 00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:40,900 Exodus was a story 1064 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,233 about the birth of a nation. 1065 00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,800 It was time for Mahoney 1066 00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,800 to go to Israel. 1067 00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:50,834 This gave him the 1068 00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:50,834 unique opportunity 1069 00:32:50,934 --> 00:32:54,200 to meet with Israel's 1070 00:32:50,934 --> 00:32:54,200 president, Shimon Peres, 1071 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,400 and hear his perspective 1072 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,400 about the character of Joseph 1073 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,266 and his rise from slavery to 1074 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,266 governing Pharaoh's court. 1075 00:33:02,667 --> 00:33:04,867 - [Tim] If you look at the 1076 00:33:02,667 --> 00:33:04,867 way the story is written, 1077 00:33:04,967 --> 00:33:06,834 God chose him for a mission? 1078 00:33:06,934 --> 00:33:09,600 - I read somewhere that 1079 00:33:06,934 --> 00:33:09,600 Tolstoy said that this is 1080 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,600 the greatest story ever 1081 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:13,600 published in human literature, 1082 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:18,000 the story of Joseph and his 1083 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:18,000 brothers and his going to Egypt. 1084 00:33:18,734 --> 00:33:23,734 Joseph was the first 1085 00:33:18,734 --> 00:33:23,734 Jewish advisor on Earth. 1086 00:33:24,934 --> 00:33:29,934 And he advised the most 1087 00:33:24,934 --> 00:33:29,934 powerful empire in the vicinity. 1088 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:33,900 He conquered the heart 1089 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:33,900 of everybody he saw, 1090 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,767 men and women. 1091 00:33:40,667 --> 00:33:44,900 - [Manis] With God's help, 1092 00:33:40,667 --> 00:33:44,900 Joseph was able to save Egypt 1093 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,367 by warning of a coming calamity. 1094 00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:50,467 Seven years of plenty 1095 00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:50,467 would be followed 1096 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:54,000 by seven years of 1097 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:54,000 terrible famine. 1098 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,567 Pharaoh is so impressed 1099 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,567 that he puts Joseph 1100 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:59,800 in charge of preparing 1101 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:59,800 for the famine, 1102 00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,400 and makes him second in command 1103 00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,400 over the entire country. 1104 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,533 - He managed to achieve 1105 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,533 this by foretelling 1106 00:34:06,633 --> 00:34:08,433 or explaining the 1107 00:34:06,633 --> 00:34:08,433 dreams of Pharaoh 1108 00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:11,500 about cattle coming out 1109 00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:11,500 of the water of the Nile. 1110 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,433 First of all as seven fat 1111 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,433 cows and then seven lean cows 1112 00:34:14,533 --> 00:34:16,767 come out and devour 1113 00:34:14,533 --> 00:34:16,767 the fat cows. 1114 00:34:16,867 --> 00:34:19,266 It's an extraordinary story, 1115 00:34:16,867 --> 00:34:19,266 but the clue here is that 1116 00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:21,266 these cows are coming 1117 00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:21,266 out of the Nile. 1118 00:34:21,367 --> 00:34:22,967 It's the Nile itself 1119 00:34:21,367 --> 00:34:22,967 which is the cause 1120 00:34:23,066 --> 00:34:25,467 of both the plenty 1121 00:34:23,066 --> 00:34:25,467 and the famine. 1122 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600 - [Tim] If David's 1123 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600 interpretation is right, 1124 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:31,467 then the regulation of 1125 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:31,467 the Nile may have been key 1126 00:34:31,567 --> 00:34:33,633 in planning for 1127 00:34:31,567 --> 00:34:33,633 the coming famine. 1128 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,500 - [David] There's a 1129 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,500 canal, or a waterway, 1130 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,800 that connects the Nile 1131 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,800 to the Fayum basin, 1132 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:42,367 which is a large lake area, 1133 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:42,367 which has the name Bahr Yusef, 1134 00:34:42,467 --> 00:34:44,066 which means the 1135 00:34:42,467 --> 00:34:44,066 waterway of Joseph. 1136 00:34:44,166 --> 00:34:46,600 This goes back thousands of 1137 00:34:44,166 --> 00:34:46,600 years, as far as we can tell. 1138 00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:48,934 - Why do you think that 1139 00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:48,934 that canal has that name? 1140 00:34:49,033 --> 00:34:50,300 - Because I think he made it. 1141 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,967 I think it was under 1142 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,967 his instructions, 1143 00:34:52,066 --> 00:34:54,300 as vizier of Egypt, 1144 00:34:52,066 --> 00:34:54,300 that that canal was cut. 1145 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,467 And it was cut to 1146 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,467 divert half the water 1147 00:34:56,567 --> 00:34:58,734 from the Nile into 1148 00:34:56,567 --> 00:34:58,734 the Fayum basin. 1149 00:34:58,834 --> 00:35:00,433 You then get back to 1150 00:34:58,834 --> 00:35:00,433 the situation where 1151 00:35:00,533 --> 00:35:03,667 the water levels are just 1152 00:35:00,533 --> 00:35:03,667 right for growing crops. 1153 00:35:03,767 --> 00:35:05,934 - Can you see it today? 1154 00:35:03,767 --> 00:35:05,934 - It's still in use today. 1155 00:35:06,033 --> 00:35:08,333 And the construction of 1156 00:35:06,033 --> 00:35:08,333 this water diversion system 1157 00:35:08,433 --> 00:35:10,066 is dated to the same period 1158 00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:12,500 as the early 1159 00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:12,500 settlement at Avaris. 1160 00:35:14,433 --> 00:35:16,800 - Joseph gathers 1161 00:35:14,433 --> 00:35:16,800 up all the grain 1162 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,934 during the seven years 1163 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,934 of plenty in Egypt. 1164 00:35:20,033 --> 00:35:22,533 He gathered as much as 1165 00:35:20,033 --> 00:35:22,533 the sand of the sea. 1166 00:35:25,633 --> 00:35:29,400 And then the famine comes 1167 00:35:25,633 --> 00:35:29,400 to the entire region, 1168 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,133 and only Egypt has bread. 1169 00:35:32,233 --> 00:35:36,900 So everyone comes to Joseph for 1170 00:35:32,233 --> 00:35:36,900 what they need for survival. 1171 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,467 When their money runs out, 1172 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,467 they sold their animals. 1173 00:35:40,567 --> 00:35:43,233 When that ran out, 1174 00:35:40,567 --> 00:35:43,233 they sold their land, 1175 00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:45,567 and eventually they 1176 00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:45,567 sold themselves. 1177 00:35:46,266 --> 00:35:48,900 So Pharaoh, by the end 1178 00:35:46,266 --> 00:35:48,900 of the seven years, 1179 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,500 owns everything in Egypt. 1180 00:35:56,633 --> 00:35:58,000 - [Voiceover] Mahoney 1181 00:35:56,633 --> 00:35:58,000 wanted to know 1182 00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,200 if there ever was 1183 00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,200 a time in this era 1184 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,100 when a dramatic shift 1185 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,100 of wealth and power 1186 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,600 occurred between the people 1187 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,600 of Egypt and the pharaoh. 1188 00:36:06,734 --> 00:36:07,934 He went to Pennsylvania 1189 00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:10,667 to see an archaeologist 1190 00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:10,667 who's spent many years 1191 00:36:10,767 --> 00:36:12,834 studying the Exodus 1192 00:36:10,767 --> 00:36:12,834 and the Conquest. 1193 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,667 His name is Dr. Bryant Wood. 1194 00:36:16,567 --> 00:36:18,567 - [Bryant] When we look 1195 00:36:16,567 --> 00:36:18,567 at Egyptian history, 1196 00:36:19,266 --> 00:36:21,600 we find something 1197 00:36:19,266 --> 00:36:21,600 very significant 1198 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,600 happened at this exact time. 1199 00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,400 Egypt was divided up 1200 00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,400 into areas called nomes, 1201 00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:31,333 kind of like districts, 1202 00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:31,333 all over the country. 1203 00:36:31,433 --> 00:36:34,233 And the leaders of these nomes 1204 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:38,100 had tremendous wealth 1205 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:38,100 and tremendous power. 1206 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,533 We get to a point 1207 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,533 in Egyptian history 1208 00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:43,500 when suddenly that all changes, 1209 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,533 and all the wealth is 1210 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,533 concentrated with the pharaoh. 1211 00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:51,700 What on earth happened here? 1212 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,300 If you read the 1213 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,300 Egyptian history books, 1214 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,300 there is no explanation for it. 1215 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,033 They don't know what 1216 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,033 happened, how it happened. 1217 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:02,700 I mean this was a tremendous 1218 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:02,700 socio-economic change. 1219 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,266 - Well, what do 1220 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,266 you think happened? 1221 00:37:04,367 --> 00:37:07,066 - [Bryant] Well, we have 1222 00:37:04,367 --> 00:37:07,066 the answer in the Bible, 1223 00:37:07,934 --> 00:37:09,934 and it's Joseph's famine policy, 1224 00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:13,266 and he brings the 1225 00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:13,266 wealth into Pharaoh, 1226 00:37:13,367 --> 00:37:16,433 and it fits exactly 1227 00:37:13,367 --> 00:37:16,433 with Egyptian history. 1228 00:37:17,166 --> 00:37:19,100 - [Tim] David believes 1229 00:37:17,166 --> 00:37:19,100 these events occurred 1230 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,700 during the reigns of 1231 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,700 two important Middle 1232 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,700 Kingdom pharaohs. 1233 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,133 - [David] This key time 1234 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,133 is during the co-regency 1235 00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:29,133 between Senuseret III and 1236 00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:29,133 his son, Amenemhat III. 1237 00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:31,467 I believe this is the 1238 00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:31,467 time of the famine 1239 00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:34,200 and that Amenemhat 1240 00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:34,200 was Joseph's pharaoh. 1241 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,633 Amenemhat is depicted 1242 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,633 with worry lines. 1243 00:37:37,734 --> 00:37:40,266 His ears are turned out 1244 00:37:37,734 --> 00:37:40,266 so that he can listen 1245 00:37:40,367 --> 00:37:42,233 to the concerns of the people. 1246 00:37:42,934 --> 00:37:45,567 He's not depicted in the 1247 00:37:42,934 --> 00:37:45,567 usual bland way that you see 1248 00:37:45,667 --> 00:37:48,734 on all the other statues of 1249 00:37:45,667 --> 00:37:48,734 past and future pharaohs. 1250 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:52,400 And I think this is an 1251 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:52,400 indication that, in his time, 1252 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,333 Egypt was experiencing 1253 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,333 serious problems. 1254 00:37:56,033 --> 00:37:58,433 And, guess what? He 1255 00:37:56,033 --> 00:37:58,433 builds his pyramid 1256 00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:02,667 right next to Bahr Yussef, 1257 00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:02,667 the "Waterway of Joseph". 1258 00:38:02,767 --> 00:38:07,367 (mystical music) 1259 00:38:08,667 --> 00:38:10,333 - [Voiceover] The amount 1260 00:38:08,667 --> 00:38:10,333 of archaeological evidence 1261 00:38:10,433 --> 00:38:13,967 matching the first step of 1262 00:38:10,433 --> 00:38:13,967 Arrival in the biblical sequence 1263 00:38:14,066 --> 00:38:16,100 seemed overwhelming to Mahoney. 1264 00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:20,166 The Syrian-styled house 1265 00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:20,166 that appeared in the Delta 1266 00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:23,033 along with a palace 1267 00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:23,033 fit for royalty 1268 00:38:23,133 --> 00:38:25,600 whose occupant was a 1269 00:38:23,133 --> 00:38:25,600 high Semitic official 1270 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:29,333 from the Canaan area, who 1271 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:29,333 wore a multicolored coat. 1272 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,233 The Waterway of Joseph, 1273 00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:34,667 contemporary with 1274 00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:34,667 the rise of Avaris. 1275 00:38:36,633 --> 00:38:40,400 The end of influence and wealth 1276 00:38:36,633 --> 00:38:40,400 for the regional governors 1277 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,567 as the power of Pharaoh 1278 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,567 reached new heights. 1279 00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:46,734 Yet these events 1280 00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:46,734 converged at a time 1281 00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:48,667 when the statues of the 1282 00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:48,667 pharaohs were depicted 1283 00:38:48,767 --> 00:38:50,967 in a unique care-worn way, 1284 00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:53,967 the tell-tale signs of 1285 00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:53,967 a kingdom in distress. 1286 00:38:57,967 --> 00:39:00,834 - Well, why is it we've 1287 00:38:57,967 --> 00:39:00,834 never heard of these finds? 1288 00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:03,367 - [David] Because in the 1289 00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:03,367 scheme that's used by scholars 1290 00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:06,133 to date all these events, 1291 00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:06,133 they're way too early. 1292 00:39:06,233 --> 00:39:08,033 They're much too early 1293 00:39:06,233 --> 00:39:08,033 to be Israelites. 1294 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,900 I'm basically saying, why 1295 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,900 not call a spade a spade? 1296 00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:15,834 - [Voiceover] At the 1297 00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:15,834 pyramid tomb of Avaris, 1298 00:39:15,934 --> 00:39:20,400 excavations revealed one other 1299 00:39:15,934 --> 00:39:20,400 important piece of evidence. 1300 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,066 - [David] The 1301 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,066 crucial clue for me, 1302 00:39:22,166 --> 00:39:23,433 which says to me that this man 1303 00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:25,333 with the multicolored 1304 00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:25,333 coat is Joseph, 1305 00:39:25,433 --> 00:39:27,166 is found in the story of Exodus. 1306 00:39:29,834 --> 00:39:31,667 When Joseph is on his deathbed, 1307 00:39:31,767 --> 00:39:33,900 he tells his brethren 1308 00:39:31,767 --> 00:39:33,900 that when they leave, 1309 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,767 they must take his body with 1310 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,767 them to the Promised Land. 1311 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:40,133 What matches the story 1312 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:40,133 even more incredibly 1313 00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:41,867 is that pyramid tomb was empty 1314 00:39:41,967 --> 00:39:43,266 when the archaeologists 1315 00:39:41,967 --> 00:39:43,266 found it. 1316 00:39:43,367 --> 00:39:45,467 There was nothing in 1317 00:39:43,367 --> 00:39:45,467 it at all apart from 1318 00:39:45,567 --> 00:39:47,467 a few fragments of 1319 00:39:45,567 --> 00:39:47,467 this smashed statue. 1320 00:39:47,567 --> 00:39:49,600 There were no bones, 1321 00:39:47,567 --> 00:39:49,600 there were no mummy beads, 1322 00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,400 no coffin wood, nothing. 1323 00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,400 It was cleaned out. 1324 00:39:53,767 --> 00:39:55,600 - [Tim] So it was a grave 1325 00:39:53,767 --> 00:39:55,600 robber? - Not a grave robber. 1326 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,900 What grave robber is 1327 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,900 going to take the bones? 1328 00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,033 Bones are intrinsically 1329 00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,033 of no value whatsoever 1330 00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:02,567 and nobody takes the bones. 1331 00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:03,867 Only people who are 1332 00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:03,867 treating the body 1333 00:40:03,967 --> 00:40:05,600 with reverence take the bones. 1334 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,000 The body was taken out 1335 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,667 and all the grave 1336 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,667 goods were taken out. 1337 00:40:09,767 --> 00:40:11,767 I think this is 1338 00:40:09,767 --> 00:40:11,767 the tomb of Joseph, 1339 00:40:11,867 --> 00:40:13,100 the pyramid tomb of Joseph, 1340 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,867 honored by Pharaoh 1341 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,867 with a colossal statue, 1342 00:40:15,967 --> 00:40:19,700 that when Moses decided to 1343 00:40:15,967 --> 00:40:19,700 take the people out of Egypt, 1344 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,033 he made sure he fulfilled 1345 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,033 that promise to Joseph, 1346 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:24,767 to take the body out of the 1347 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:24,767 tomb and take it to Shechem 1348 00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:26,433 and bury him in 1349 00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:26,433 the Promised Land. 1350 00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:33,100 - [Voiceover] This location, 1351 00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:33,100 photographed in the 1800s, 1352 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,033 is where many believe 1353 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,033 Joseph's bones 1354 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:36,433 were finally laid to rest 1355 00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:38,900 in the ancient town 1356 00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:38,900 of Shechem in Canaan. 1357 00:40:40,767 --> 00:40:44,467 The city is known today as 1358 00:40:40,767 --> 00:40:44,467 Nablus on the West Bank, 1359 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:46,500 where this tomb has 1360 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:46,500 been at the center 1361 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,600 of much political and 1362 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,600 religious tension. 1363 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:53,834 - [Tim] The Exodus is surrounded 1364 00:40:53,934 --> 00:40:56,166 by controversy on many levels. 1365 00:40:56,266 --> 00:40:59,533 Even David Rohl suggesting 1366 00:40:56,266 --> 00:40:59,533 specific evidence of Joseph 1367 00:40:59,633 --> 00:41:02,166 and the early Israelites' 1368 00:40:59,633 --> 00:41:02,166 arrival in Egypt 1369 00:41:02,266 --> 00:41:04,767 is archaeologically 1370 00:41:02,266 --> 00:41:04,767 controversial 1371 00:41:04,867 --> 00:41:06,266 because he looks earlier in time 1372 00:41:06,367 --> 00:41:08,800 than what is 1373 00:41:06,367 --> 00:41:08,800 conventionally accepted. 1374 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:12,533 But, at this stage, 1375 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:12,533 I didn't care. 1376 00:41:13,433 --> 00:41:15,133 I was determined to 1377 00:41:13,433 --> 00:41:15,133 stick with the guidelines 1378 00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:19,100 of the investigation, looking 1379 00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:19,100 for a pattern of evidence 1380 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,033 wherever it might exist. 1381 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:25,834 - [Voiceover] Then David 1382 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:25,834 Rohl began to tell about 1383 00:41:25,934 --> 00:41:28,667 the remarkable expansion 1384 00:41:25,934 --> 00:41:28,667 that happened at Avaris, 1385 00:41:28,767 --> 00:41:31,200 which fits the next 1386 00:41:28,767 --> 00:41:31,200 step of the sequence. 1387 00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,200 What the Bible describes as 1388 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,166 "exceedingly great 1389 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,166 multiplication." 1390 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,400 - [Manis] So Joseph dies, 1391 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,867 and his brothers and 1392 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,867 their entire generation. 1393 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,867 The Israelites are multiplying 1394 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,867 and they're fruitful, 1395 00:41:46,967 --> 00:41:50,233 exceedingly, until 1396 00:41:46,967 --> 00:41:50,233 they fill the land. 1397 00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:54,333 - We see a virgin land 1398 00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:54,333 with no population at all 1399 00:41:54,433 --> 00:41:58,633 and suddenly a small group of 1400 00:41:54,433 --> 00:41:58,633 Semitic people settle there, 1401 00:41:58,734 --> 00:42:02,433 a dozen houses or so, about 1402 00:41:58,734 --> 00:42:02,433 70 or 100 people, all told. 1403 00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:04,834 And over a period of maybe 1404 00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:04,834 three or four generations, 1405 00:42:04,934 --> 00:42:06,467 it becomes a very large city, 1406 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:08,834 and it's one of the largest 1407 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:08,834 cities in the ancient world. 1408 00:42:11,233 --> 00:42:15,233 This city is a city of 1409 00:42:11,233 --> 00:42:15,233 foreigners in the Egyptian delta 1410 00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:17,633 and it's been allowed 1411 00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:17,633 by the Egyptian state. 1412 00:42:17,734 --> 00:42:20,500 At this stage, there's 1413 00:42:17,734 --> 00:42:20,500 no slaves involved here. 1414 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,133 We're talking about 1415 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,133 Semitic peoples coming in, 1416 00:42:23,233 --> 00:42:26,367 living here, bringing their 1417 00:42:23,233 --> 00:42:26,367 flocks with them and surviving 1418 00:42:26,467 --> 00:42:29,133 in such a way that they 1419 00:42:26,467 --> 00:42:29,133 become quite rich and wealthy. 1420 00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:30,967 - We do know that 1421 00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:30,967 there was a large 1422 00:42:31,066 --> 00:42:33,333 Semitic-speaking population, 1423 00:42:33,433 --> 00:42:36,533 probably came in 1424 00:42:33,433 --> 00:42:36,533 from Syria, Canaan 1425 00:42:36,633 --> 00:42:40,300 sometime in the early part 1426 00:42:36,633 --> 00:42:40,300 of the second millennium BC. 1427 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,967 Their remains have been 1428 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,967 found at a number of sites. 1429 00:42:43,066 --> 00:42:47,033 We have tombs that are clearly 1430 00:42:43,066 --> 00:42:47,033 those of foreigners, Semites. 1431 00:42:47,133 --> 00:42:50,000 We can tell this by the 1432 00:42:47,133 --> 00:42:50,000 pottery, by the kind of weapons. 1433 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:51,967 These are not 1434 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:51,967 Egyptian-type daggers. 1435 00:42:52,066 --> 00:42:54,300 They have donkeys, in some 1436 00:42:52,066 --> 00:42:54,300 cases, buried with them. 1437 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,233 This was not an 1438 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,233 Egyptian practice. 1439 00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:58,867 We can't say for sure that 1440 00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:58,867 any of these were Hebrews, 1441 00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:01,400 but we probably couldn't 1442 00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:01,400 distinguish a Hebrew 1443 00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:05,066 from a Canaanite in Egypt, 1444 00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:05,066 culturally speaking, anyway. 1445 00:43:07,967 --> 00:43:12,533 (energetic music) 1446 00:43:17,133 --> 00:43:19,333 - [Voiceover] Mahoney 1447 00:43:17,133 --> 00:43:19,333 traveled to Bristol, England 1448 00:43:19,433 --> 00:43:21,333 to meet with a scholar 1449 00:43:19,433 --> 00:43:21,333 who had information 1450 00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:24,567 about the expansion of 1451 00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:24,567 these people in the Delta. 1452 00:43:24,667 --> 00:43:27,300 John Bimson is a 1453 00:43:24,667 --> 00:43:27,300 Professor of Old Testament 1454 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,500 at Trinity College, Bristol. 1455 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,433 He specializes in 1456 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,433 biblical history 1457 00:43:31,533 --> 00:43:33,500 and its related archaeology. 1458 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,533 Bimson sees a clear 1459 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,533 connection between 1460 00:43:35,633 --> 00:43:37,633 the growth of Semitic 1461 00:43:35,633 --> 00:43:37,633 sites in the Delta 1462 00:43:37,734 --> 00:43:39,800 and the biblical account. 1463 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:41,800 - [Tim] How many sites 1464 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:41,800 would there have been? 1465 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,467 - You've got a good many 1466 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,467 settlements, 20 or more, 1467 00:43:45,567 --> 00:43:47,066 which would fit 1468 00:43:45,567 --> 00:43:47,066 the land of Goshen, 1469 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:49,500 where the Bible says the 1470 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:49,500 Israelites were settled. 1471 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,734 Many of these have not 1472 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,734 been fully excavated yet. 1473 00:43:52,834 --> 00:43:54,433 - [Tim] That are similar 1474 00:43:52,834 --> 00:43:54,433 to the Avaris site? 1475 00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:56,100 - [John] We don't know 1476 00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:56,100 whether they're as big. 1477 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,700 Until people start 1478 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,700 digging there, 1479 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,700 the Avaris site, of 1480 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,700 course, no one knew 1481 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,133 how big that was until 1482 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,133 excavation began. 1483 00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,800 So there could be a lot 1484 00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:06,800 of stuff in the ground 1485 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,433 waiting to be discovered and 1486 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,433 to throw a lot more light 1487 00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:13,433 on this period of 1488 00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:13,433 Asiatic settlement. 1489 00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:16,467 - [Voiceover] The only 1490 00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:16,467 time that the archaeology 1491 00:44:16,567 --> 00:44:20,100 shows massive numbers of 1492 00:44:16,567 --> 00:44:20,100 Semites living in ancient Egypt 1493 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,400 is in this earlier period 1494 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,400 around the Middle Kingdom. 1495 00:44:24,333 --> 00:44:25,667 This is strikingly 1496 00:44:24,333 --> 00:44:25,667 different from 1497 00:44:25,767 --> 00:44:28,333 the New Kingdom and 1498 00:44:25,767 --> 00:44:28,333 the time of Ramesses, 1499 00:44:28,433 --> 00:44:31,033 when there is no 1500 00:44:28,433 --> 00:44:31,033 evidence of this. 1501 00:44:31,133 --> 00:44:33,400 - [Tim] The question is, 1502 00:44:31,133 --> 00:44:33,400 does the Middle Kingdom 1503 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,667 also contain evidence 1504 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,667 for the next step 1505 00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:38,834 of the biblical 1506 00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:38,834 sequence: "slavery"? 1507 00:44:42,166 --> 00:44:46,600 (mystical music) 1508 00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:49,300 - [Voiceover] Cecil 1509 00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:49,300 B. DeMille portrayed 1510 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,834 this slavery in two 1511 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,834 of his famous films, 1512 00:44:51,934 --> 00:44:54,233 both called The 1513 00:44:51,934 --> 00:44:54,233 Ten Commandments. 1514 00:44:54,333 --> 00:44:58,600 (mystical music) 1515 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,100 Although Hollywood 1516 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,100 likes to focus 1517 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,066 on the Israelites moving 1518 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,066 large blocks of stone, 1519 00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:18,200 the Bible never mentions this. 1520 00:45:22,066 --> 00:45:23,734 - [Manis] A new pharaoh arises, 1521 00:45:23,834 --> 00:45:25,600 and he doesn't remember Joseph. 1522 00:45:26,767 --> 00:45:29,667 He enslaves the people 1523 00:45:26,767 --> 00:45:29,667 because they're becoming 1524 00:45:29,767 --> 00:45:32,467 too numerous and 1525 00:45:29,767 --> 00:45:32,467 becoming a threat. 1526 00:45:32,567 --> 00:45:35,734 So he puts them to work 1527 00:45:32,567 --> 00:45:35,734 and embitters their lives 1528 00:45:35,834 --> 00:45:40,100 building store cities 1529 00:45:35,834 --> 00:45:40,100 of Pithom and Ramesses 1530 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,600 and makes them create 1531 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,600 bricks out of mud and straw. 1532 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,467 - [Tim] It was intriguing 1533 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,467 to see this type 1534 00:45:57,567 --> 00:46:00,166 of construction in 1535 00:45:57,567 --> 00:46:00,166 different parts of Egypt. 1536 00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:03,433 Were any of these bricks 1537 00:46:03,533 --> 00:46:06,000 molded by the hands 1538 00:46:03,533 --> 00:46:06,000 of Israelite slaves? 1539 00:46:10,934 --> 00:46:13,800 However, Mansour was 1540 00:46:10,934 --> 00:46:13,800 quick to remind me 1541 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:16,000 that these types of 1542 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:16,000 mud bricks are present 1543 00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:17,900 throughout Egypt's history 1544 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,700 and don't prove any 1545 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,700 connection to the Israelites. 1546 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,433 But is there any 1547 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,433 slavery evidence 1548 00:46:24,533 --> 00:46:26,633 matching the Bible at Avaris, 1549 00:46:26,734 --> 00:46:29,300 the older city beneath Ramesses? 1550 00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:33,700 David, what does the 1551 00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:33,700 archaeological record 1552 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,500 reveal at this location? 1553 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,734 - [David] We've got a 1554 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,734 situation of prosperity 1555 00:46:37,834 --> 00:46:41,467 followed by a lack of prosperity 1556 00:46:37,834 --> 00:46:41,467 and a shortage of life. 1557 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,300 We begin to see in the 1558 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,300 graves of these people 1559 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,633 Harris Lines in the bones, 1560 00:46:46,734 --> 00:46:49,266 which indicate shortage 1561 00:46:46,734 --> 00:46:49,266 of food and nutrients. 1562 00:46:49,367 --> 00:46:51,600 These people suddenly 1563 00:46:49,367 --> 00:46:51,600 have become impoverished 1564 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,367 and they're dying 1565 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,367 at an age typically 1566 00:46:53,467 --> 00:46:55,567 of between 32 and 34 years. 1567 00:46:55,667 --> 00:46:57,266 So how do we explain that? 1568 00:46:57,367 --> 00:47:00,500 What is the mechanism 1569 00:46:57,367 --> 00:47:00,500 that we would understand 1570 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,600 why these people only 1571 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,600 lived to such a short age? 1572 00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,667 And the obvious 1573 00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,667 answer is slavery. 1574 00:47:04,767 --> 00:47:07,400 - The descriptions of slavery 1575 00:47:08,667 --> 00:47:12,100 was so horrible, 1576 00:47:13,333 --> 00:47:14,934 downhearted. 1577 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,033 To take a whole people 1578 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,033 and make from them 1579 00:47:19,133 --> 00:47:22,000 an inhumane group of men, 1580 00:47:22,867 --> 00:47:24,433 working so hard. 1581 00:47:25,433 --> 00:47:29,300 They wanted to free themselves. 1582 00:47:31,033 --> 00:47:33,266 - The Bible then 1583 00:47:31,033 --> 00:47:33,266 tells us that the more 1584 00:47:33,367 --> 00:47:36,934 the Hebrews were oppressed, 1585 00:47:33,367 --> 00:47:36,934 the more they multiplied 1586 00:47:37,033 --> 00:47:40,200 and the more they spread 1587 00:47:37,033 --> 00:47:40,200 throughout the land of Egypt. 1588 00:47:41,433 --> 00:47:43,166 Pharaoh gives the order 1589 00:47:43,266 --> 00:47:46,433 for all the baby 1590 00:47:43,266 --> 00:47:46,433 boys who are born 1591 00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,567 to be thrown into the 1592 00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,567 river by the Egyptians. 1593 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,900 It was during this 1594 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,900 time Moses is born, 1595 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,800 and in fear for his life, his 1596 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,800 mother hides him in a basket 1597 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:04,567 and floats it among the 1598 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:04,567 reeds of the river Nile. 1599 00:48:04,667 --> 00:48:06,233 (baby cries) 1600 00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:09,000 But God is watching 1601 00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:09,000 over baby Moses, 1602 00:48:09,967 --> 00:48:13,333 and Pharaoh's daughter comes 1603 00:48:09,967 --> 00:48:13,333 down to bathe in the Nile. 1604 00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:17,900 She finds him, adopts 1605 00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:17,900 him, and names him Moses, 1606 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,767 which means, "drawn 1607 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,767 from the water". 1608 00:48:22,567 --> 00:48:25,133 - [Tim] Is there anything 1609 00:48:22,567 --> 00:48:25,133 in Egyptian archaeology 1610 00:48:25,233 --> 00:48:28,300 that might reflect 1611 00:48:25,233 --> 00:48:28,300 this biblical detail, 1612 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,934 the killing of 1613 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,934 Hebrew infant boys? 1614 00:48:33,066 --> 00:48:34,867 - [David] At this particular 1615 00:48:33,066 --> 00:48:34,867 point, we start to see 1616 00:48:34,967 --> 00:48:37,867 an increase in the number of 1617 00:48:34,967 --> 00:48:37,867 infant burials at the site. 1618 00:48:37,967 --> 00:48:41,700 Now normally, in a typical 1619 00:48:37,967 --> 00:48:41,700 Middle Bronze Age cemetery, 1620 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,467 we'll get something like 1621 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,467 25% of burials of infants. 1622 00:48:45,567 --> 00:48:47,367 In this particular case, 1623 00:48:45,567 --> 00:48:47,367 the figure jumps up 1624 00:48:47,467 --> 00:48:49,133 to an extraordinary figure. 1625 00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:53,433 - [Tim] David directed me to 1626 00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:53,433 the dig reports from Avaris, 1627 00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:56,166 where Bietak's team referred 1628 00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:56,166 to what they called, 1629 00:48:56,266 --> 00:48:59,934 "an extremely high 1630 00:48:56,266 --> 00:48:59,934 mortality rate of newborns." 1631 00:49:00,033 --> 00:49:01,834 When all the children's graves 1632 00:49:01,934 --> 00:49:04,467 aged 10 and younger 1633 00:49:01,934 --> 00:49:04,467 were identified, 1634 00:49:04,567 --> 00:49:07,000 it was found that 1635 00:49:04,567 --> 00:49:07,000 nearly 50% died 1636 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:09,266 in the first three 1637 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:09,266 months of life. 1638 00:49:10,066 --> 00:49:12,867 Okay, maybe this 1639 00:49:10,066 --> 00:49:12,867 was just an epidemic 1640 00:49:12,967 --> 00:49:15,200 that hit the newborns 1641 00:49:12,967 --> 00:49:15,200 especially hard. 1642 00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,000 But when the graves 1643 00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,000 of those who made it 1644 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,767 to adulthood were 1645 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,767 examined, it was seen 1646 00:49:20,867 --> 00:49:24,867 that there were 60% 1647 00:49:20,867 --> 00:49:24,867 females to 40% males. 1648 00:49:25,667 --> 00:49:27,133 The reduction 1649 00:49:25,667 --> 00:49:27,133 appears to have been 1650 00:49:27,233 --> 00:49:30,000 in the male side 1651 00:49:27,233 --> 00:49:30,000 of the population. 1652 00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,934 So could this massive 1653 00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,934 increase in infant burials 1654 00:49:33,033 --> 00:49:35,400 at Avaris be evidence 1655 00:49:33,033 --> 00:49:35,400 for the killing 1656 00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:38,166 of the male Israelite children? 1657 00:49:42,834 --> 00:49:44,300 It's an intriguing thought, 1658 00:49:44,967 --> 00:49:47,700 but it made me sad to think 1659 00:49:44,967 --> 00:49:47,700 of what it could have meant, 1660 00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,066 the murder of thousands 1661 00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,066 of innocent boys. 1662 00:49:51,767 --> 00:49:56,400 (guitar music) 1663 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,133 - [Voiceover] For 1664 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,133 generations, the Exodus story 1665 00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:04,433 has given hope to 1666 00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:04,433 people around the world 1667 00:50:04,533 --> 00:50:06,867 in their quest for liberation, 1668 00:50:06,967 --> 00:50:09,000 inspired by the 1669 00:50:06,967 --> 00:50:09,000 freeing of the slaves 1670 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,700 from the most powerful 1671 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,700 nation on earth. 1672 00:50:13,867 --> 00:50:16,166 But were the hopes and 1673 00:50:13,867 --> 00:50:16,166 dreams of all those people 1674 00:50:16,266 --> 00:50:18,367 merely based on a myth? 1675 00:50:20,533 --> 00:50:21,867 - [James] Who would 1676 00:50:20,533 --> 00:50:21,867 invent a story 1677 00:50:21,967 --> 00:50:24,767 about our ancestors were slaves? 1678 00:50:24,867 --> 00:50:28,166 I bet just, you know, I 1679 00:50:24,867 --> 00:50:28,166 can see people saying, 1680 00:50:28,266 --> 00:50:30,166 "Our ancestors were princes. 1681 00:50:30,266 --> 00:50:32,200 "Our ancestors were 1682 00:50:30,266 --> 00:50:32,200 great merchants. 1683 00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,066 "Our ancestors were 1684 00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,066 something wonderful 1685 00:50:35,166 --> 00:50:36,900 "and glorious and noble," 1686 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,433 But, "We were slaves."? Why? 1687 00:50:40,533 --> 00:50:41,900 I mean, if you are going 1688 00:50:40,533 --> 00:50:41,900 to dream up a story, 1689 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,133 surely you'd come up with 1690 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,133 a better one than that. 1691 00:50:45,967 --> 00:50:47,467 - [Tim] And if none 1692 00:50:45,967 --> 00:50:47,467 of it happened, 1693 00:50:47,567 --> 00:50:49,800 how do you explain 1694 00:50:47,567 --> 00:50:49,800 an Egyptian papyrus 1695 00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,166 with a list of slave 1696 00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,166 names that seem to come 1697 00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:54,567 right out of the 1698 00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:54,567 pages of the Bible? 1699 00:50:57,133 --> 00:50:59,500 - There's one particular 1700 00:50:57,133 --> 00:50:59,500 document which is quite amazing. 1701 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,900 It's called the Brooklyn 1702 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,900 Papyrus and this actually 1703 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,934 is a list of domestic 1704 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,934 servants from one estate. 1705 00:51:06,033 --> 00:51:09,800 We have maybe up to 100 people 1706 00:51:06,033 --> 00:51:09,800 listed as slaves in Egypt. 1707 00:51:10,667 --> 00:51:12,000 When we look at those names, 1708 00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,533 70% of them are Semitic names, 1709 00:51:15,367 --> 00:51:18,367 and you can literally pick 1710 00:51:15,367 --> 00:51:18,367 off Israelite names in there: 1711 00:51:18,467 --> 00:51:22,233 Menahem; Issachar 1712 00:51:18,467 --> 00:51:22,233 and Asher, the names 1713 00:51:22,333 --> 00:51:24,367 of two of the tribes of Israel; 1714 00:51:24,467 --> 00:51:28,467 Shiphrah, one of the Hebrew 1715 00:51:24,467 --> 00:51:28,467 midwives in the Exodus story, 1716 00:51:28,567 --> 00:51:30,967 a name that appears 1717 00:51:28,567 --> 00:51:30,967 in this document. 1718 00:51:32,367 --> 00:51:35,200 These are Hebrew, 1719 00:51:32,367 --> 00:51:35,200 Israelite slaves 1720 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:38,400 and they're in a papyrus 1721 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:38,400 from the 13th Dynasty. 1722 00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,667 Not from the 19th 1723 00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,667 Dynasty, not from the time 1724 00:51:40,767 --> 00:51:43,000 of Ramesses II in 1725 00:51:40,767 --> 00:51:43,000 the New Kingdom, 1726 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:46,967 but from the 13th Dynasty, 1727 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:46,967 the Middle Kingdom. 1728 00:51:47,066 --> 00:51:48,800 - What does this mean to you? 1729 00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:50,233 What does it say? 1730 00:51:50,333 --> 00:51:53,133 - This is real 1731 00:51:50,333 --> 00:51:53,133 evidence for the time 1732 00:51:53,233 --> 00:51:56,667 when the Israelites 1733 00:51:53,233 --> 00:51:56,667 were in Egypt as slaves. 1734 00:51:56,767 --> 00:51:58,633 It's when you get a text, 1735 00:51:58,734 --> 00:52:00,300 suddenly you've got history. 1736 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,166 Archaeology, you 1737 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,166 have to interpret. 1738 00:52:02,266 --> 00:52:05,066 When you have a text, this 1739 00:52:02,266 --> 00:52:05,066 is something very different. 1740 00:52:05,934 --> 00:52:09,066 - [Voiceover] This slave 1741 00:52:05,934 --> 00:52:09,066 list is predominantly female, 1742 00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:11,900 which matches the grave 1743 00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:11,900 evidence from Avaris. 1744 00:52:14,533 --> 00:52:17,266 - [Manis] The fact that 1745 00:52:14,533 --> 00:52:17,266 they continued to multiply 1746 00:52:17,367 --> 00:52:20,033 despite the oppression, 1747 00:52:17,367 --> 00:52:20,033 despite the slavery, 1748 00:52:20,133 --> 00:52:22,600 despite the boys being killed, 1749 00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:26,767 it just shows that there was 1750 00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:26,767 a divine plan here at work 1751 00:52:26,867 --> 00:52:29,367 and that this whole 1752 00:52:26,867 --> 00:52:29,367 event was miraculous. 1753 00:52:35,533 --> 00:52:36,934 - [Tim] The thing 1754 00:52:35,533 --> 00:52:36,934 that I'm puzzled by is 1755 00:52:37,033 --> 00:52:40,734 why so many Egyptologists 1756 00:52:37,033 --> 00:52:40,734 ignore the Brooklyn Papyrus. 1757 00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:42,400 - Although everybody recognizes 1758 00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,800 that this list is a 1759 00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,800 list of Semitic slaves, 1760 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,066 and everybody recognizes that 1761 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,066 the names appearing in here 1762 00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:50,367 are also Israelite names, 1763 00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:50,367 these can't be the Israelites, 1764 00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:51,967 because it's the 1765 00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:51,967 wrong time period. 1766 00:52:52,066 --> 00:52:53,900 The Israelites are 1767 00:52:52,066 --> 00:52:53,900 much later in history. 1768 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,367 So these people 1769 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,367 we're seeing here 1770 00:52:55,467 --> 00:52:58,133 in this Brooklyn Papyrus 1771 00:52:55,467 --> 00:52:58,133 cannot be the Israelites. 1772 00:52:58,233 --> 00:52:59,934 - So that's why 1773 00:52:58,233 --> 00:52:59,934 they disregard it? 1774 00:53:00,033 --> 00:53:01,600 - So they put it to one side 1775 00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,033 and say it's 1776 00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,033 another coincidence. 1777 00:53:10,367 --> 00:53:12,433 - [Voiceover] So there 1778 00:53:10,367 --> 00:53:12,433 appears to be strong evidence 1779 00:53:12,533 --> 00:53:15,266 matching the Multiplication 1780 00:53:12,533 --> 00:53:15,266 and Slavery steps 1781 00:53:15,367 --> 00:53:17,233 of the biblical sequence. 1782 00:53:18,467 --> 00:53:20,300 Indication of a rapid expansion 1783 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,266 of the Semitic 1784 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,266 population at Avaris, 1785 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:25,867 the only time in Egyptian 1786 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:25,867 history that there is evidence 1787 00:53:25,967 --> 00:53:28,834 of Semites dominating 1788 00:53:25,967 --> 00:53:28,834 the Delta like this. 1789 00:53:29,633 --> 00:53:33,100 These Semites begin free, 1790 00:53:29,633 --> 00:53:33,100 powerful and prosperous, 1791 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,467 but then succumb to 1792 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,467 impoverishment and malnutrition. 1793 00:53:37,367 --> 00:53:40,567 There is a sharp rise in the 1794 00:53:37,367 --> 00:53:40,567 number of infant burials. 1795 00:53:40,667 --> 00:53:43,333 Near the end of this period 1796 00:53:40,667 --> 00:53:43,333 comes a list of slaves, 1797 00:53:43,433 --> 00:53:45,367 many with Hebrew names. 1798 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:49,900 And all this occurring 1799 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:49,900 400 years earlier 1800 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,033 than would be expected 1801 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,033 with the Ramesses Exodus. 1802 00:53:54,867 --> 00:53:56,200 - [Tim] But what 1803 00:53:54,867 --> 00:53:56,200 if all these finds 1804 00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:58,667 in the Middle Kingdom 1805 00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:58,667 are not a coincidence 1806 00:53:58,767 --> 00:54:00,734 and the Exodus 1807 00:53:58,767 --> 00:54:00,734 actually did happen 1808 00:54:00,834 --> 00:54:03,834 much earlier than the 1809 00:54:00,834 --> 00:54:03,834 reign of Ramesses? 1810 00:54:03,934 --> 00:54:05,266 To see if that's the case, 1811 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:06,934 I would need to 1812 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:06,934 look more closely 1813 00:54:07,033 --> 00:54:09,633 at the details of the 1814 00:54:07,033 --> 00:54:09,633 biblical story concerning 1815 00:54:09,734 --> 00:54:13,300 the next step of the sequence; 1816 00:54:09,734 --> 00:54:13,300 the judgment of Egypt 1817 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,133 and the Israelites' 1818 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,133 deliverance from bondage. 1819 00:54:16,233 --> 00:54:20,500 (somber music) 1820 00:54:25,066 --> 00:54:26,400 - [Voiceover] The Bible 1821 00:54:25,066 --> 00:54:26,400 records that Moses 1822 00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:28,367 fled to the land of Midian. 1823 00:54:30,233 --> 00:54:32,633 After 40 years of 1824 00:54:30,233 --> 00:54:32,633 living as a shepherd, 1825 00:54:33,433 --> 00:54:35,667 Moses first encountered God. 1826 00:54:36,533 --> 00:54:39,133 (sheep bleating) 1827 00:54:40,367 --> 00:54:42,867 - [Manis] Moses sees a 1828 00:54:40,367 --> 00:54:42,867 bush from the distance, 1829 00:54:42,967 --> 00:54:46,300 and it's on fire, but 1830 00:54:42,967 --> 00:54:46,300 it's not being consumed. 1831 00:54:47,266 --> 00:54:51,100 So, curious, he approaches 1832 00:54:47,266 --> 00:54:51,100 to see what's going on 1833 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,600 and God says, "Don't 1834 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,600 come any closer. 1835 00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:57,533 "Remove your shoes, for 1836 00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:57,533 this place is a holy place." 1837 00:55:00,767 --> 00:55:03,734 God said, "I have surely 1838 00:55:00,767 --> 00:55:03,734 seen the oppression 1839 00:55:03,834 --> 00:55:06,000 "of my people who are in Egypt, 1840 00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,467 "and I have also 1841 00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,467 heard their cry." 1842 00:55:08,567 --> 00:55:12,200 Like a shepherd rescuing his 1843 00:55:08,567 --> 00:55:12,200 sheep, God commands Moses 1844 00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,333 to go back to Egypt 1845 00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,333 and tell Pharaoh, 1846 00:55:15,433 --> 00:55:18,567 "Let My people go, so 1847 00:55:15,433 --> 00:55:18,567 that they may serve Me." 1848 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,767 Moses comes to Pharaoh. 1849 00:55:21,867 --> 00:55:26,300 Pharaoh does not listen, 1850 00:55:21,867 --> 00:55:26,300 refuses to let the people go, 1851 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,834 and God sends the 1852 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,834 first of a series 1853 00:55:28,934 --> 00:55:32,600 of spectacular plagues 1854 00:55:28,934 --> 00:55:32,600 against the land of Egypt. 1855 00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:35,800 (thunder cracks) 1856 00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:37,033 (frogs croak) 1857 00:55:37,133 --> 00:55:38,800 (insects buzz) 1858 00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:40,633 (thunder cracks) 1859 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:47,667 - [James] In Exodus chapter 5, 1860 00:55:47,767 --> 00:55:50,300 the God of Israel says, 1861 00:55:47,767 --> 00:55:50,300 "Let my people go." 1862 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,734 Pharaoh says, "Who is the Lord? 1863 00:55:51,834 --> 00:55:53,700 "Who is Jehovah, who is Yahweh 1864 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,166 "that I should listen to him?" 1865 00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,333 And so we have setting 1866 00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,333 up there this contest. 1867 00:55:59,433 --> 00:56:01,567 Who really is the 1868 00:55:59,433 --> 00:56:01,567 god to be obeyed? 1869 00:56:01,667 --> 00:56:04,233 Who is the one in 1870 00:56:01,667 --> 00:56:04,233 control of things? 1871 00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:06,100 And, in the Egyptian 1872 00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:06,100 view of things, 1873 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,333 Pharaoh was the god 1874 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,333 of the Egyptian state. 1875 00:56:08,433 --> 00:56:10,700 He was responsible 1876 00:56:08,433 --> 00:56:10,700 for cosmic order. 1877 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,367 He was responsible for the 1878 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,367 proper flow of the Nile, 1879 00:56:13,467 --> 00:56:15,000 the rising of the sun, 1880 00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,667 the fertility of the 1881 00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,667 fields and so on. 1882 00:56:17,767 --> 00:56:21,066 And now we have the God of 1883 00:56:17,767 --> 00:56:21,066 Israel, the God of Creation, 1884 00:56:21,166 --> 00:56:23,367 of the Bible, who's saying, 1885 00:56:21,166 --> 00:56:23,367 "Now, wait a minute. 1886 00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:24,800 "That's not what you do. 1887 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,233 "I'm the one who controls 1888 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,233 all these things." 1889 00:56:27,333 --> 00:56:28,867 So He begins with the Nile 1890 00:56:28,967 --> 00:56:31,467 and ends in the ninth 1891 00:56:28,967 --> 00:56:31,467 plague with the sun. 1892 00:56:31,567 --> 00:56:34,633 And these two things that 1893 00:56:31,567 --> 00:56:34,633 Pharaoh is said to control 1894 00:56:34,734 --> 00:56:36,967 are completely outside 1895 00:56:34,734 --> 00:56:36,967 of his control. 1896 00:56:38,734 --> 00:56:40,533 - [Manis] God protected 1897 00:56:38,734 --> 00:56:40,533 the children of Israel 1898 00:56:40,633 --> 00:56:43,233 from these plagues, while 1899 00:56:40,633 --> 00:56:43,233 the rest of the land 1900 00:56:43,333 --> 00:56:45,567 was being devastated by them. 1901 00:56:45,667 --> 00:56:49,500 To where Pharaoh's servants 1902 00:56:45,667 --> 00:56:49,500 themselves pleaded with him, 1903 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,633 saying that this was 1904 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,633 the finger of God 1905 00:56:52,734 --> 00:56:54,934 and that Egypt was being ruined. 1906 00:56:55,033 --> 00:56:57,033 But Pharaoh would not relent. 1907 00:56:57,133 --> 00:56:58,700 He knew that Egypt depended 1908 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,333 on the work of these 1909 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,333 foreign slaves. 1910 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,166 - [Voiceover] In Israel, 1911 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,166 Mahoney also had the privilege 1912 00:57:09,266 --> 00:57:11,734 to speak with the 1913 00:57:09,266 --> 00:57:11,734 Prime Minister. 1914 00:57:11,834 --> 00:57:14,333 Although seen by most 1915 00:57:11,834 --> 00:57:14,333 as a political figure, 1916 00:57:14,433 --> 00:57:17,033 Benjamin Netanyahu 1917 00:57:14,433 --> 00:57:17,033 was also an author 1918 00:57:17,133 --> 00:57:19,567 and historian, like his father. 1919 00:57:19,667 --> 00:57:22,400 - [Tim] Tell me about the 1920 00:57:19,667 --> 00:57:22,400 effect the Exodus has had 1921 00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:27,166 upon civilizations in 1922 00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:27,166 the last 3,000 years. 1923 00:57:27,266 --> 00:57:30,700 - Moses was the greatest 1924 00:57:27,266 --> 00:57:30,700 revolutionary of all time. 1925 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,033 Remember that in antiquity 1926 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,033 there were grand empires 1927 00:57:34,133 --> 00:57:38,967 that were based on one 1928 00:57:34,133 --> 00:57:38,967 principle and that is slavery, 1929 00:57:39,066 --> 00:57:42,667 and Moses challenged that twice. 1930 00:57:43,266 --> 00:57:47,033 He challenged it by taking 1931 00:57:43,266 --> 00:57:47,033 his people who were slaves 1932 00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:49,834 in bondage in Egypt 1933 00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:49,834 and freed them 1934 00:57:49,934 --> 00:57:52,033 and took them to 1935 00:57:49,934 --> 00:57:52,033 their Promised Land. 1936 00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:55,266 But he also challenged 1937 00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:55,266 it by providing a code, 1938 00:57:55,367 --> 00:57:57,700 a moral code for 1939 00:57:55,367 --> 00:57:57,700 mankind that said 1940 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,667 that it is not the 1941 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,667 king or the emperor 1942 00:58:01,767 --> 00:58:04,300 that decides the law, 1943 00:58:01,767 --> 00:58:04,300 there's a higher law 1944 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,133 and these were absolutely 1945 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,133 revolutionary ideas. 1946 00:58:07,233 --> 00:58:11,600 (suspenseful music) 1947 00:58:12,934 --> 00:58:14,800 - [Voiceover] The text 1948 00:58:12,934 --> 00:58:14,800 then says that God sent 1949 00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:18,734 the tenth and final plague 1950 00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:18,734 to force Pharaoh's hand: 1951 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:24,266 the death of the firstborn 1952 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:24,266 of man and beast. 1953 00:58:28,533 --> 00:58:30,800 The Lord told the Israelites 1954 00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:33,567 that each household 1955 00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:33,567 was to slaughter a lamb 1956 00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:37,834 and mark the doorposts 1957 00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:37,834 with the blood of the lamb. 1958 00:58:40,066 --> 00:58:41,867 And on that horrible night, 1959 00:58:41,967 --> 00:58:45,734 death passed over all the 1960 00:58:41,967 --> 00:58:45,734 homes marked with blood. 1961 00:58:48,533 --> 00:58:51,000 But in every home 1962 00:58:48,533 --> 00:58:51,000 that wasn't marked, 1963 00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,867 all the firstborn males died. 1964 00:58:53,967 --> 00:58:55,233 (loud crying and wailing) 1965 00:58:55,333 --> 00:58:58,900 There was crying and wailing 1966 00:58:55,333 --> 00:58:58,900 in every Egyptian home 1967 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,233 because each family 1968 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,233 had lost someone. 1969 00:59:05,266 --> 00:59:07,033 - [Manis] The tenth plague, 1970 00:59:07,133 --> 00:59:09,834 the death of the firstborn, 1971 00:59:07,133 --> 00:59:09,834 affected everybody. 1972 00:59:10,567 --> 00:59:15,000 Even Pharaoh's firstborn 1973 00:59:10,567 --> 00:59:15,000 died that night, 1974 00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,533 and the will of the 1975 00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,533 people, the Egyptians, 1976 00:59:17,633 --> 00:59:19,133 was completely shattered. 1977 00:59:21,033 --> 00:59:25,066 The tenth plague broke 1978 00:59:21,033 --> 00:59:25,066 Pharaoh's defiance of God, 1979 00:59:25,166 --> 00:59:28,233 and he finally let 1980 00:59:25,166 --> 00:59:28,233 Moses and the people go. 1981 00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:31,900 But then, Pharaoh 1982 00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:31,900 changes his mind, 1983 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,600 pursues the Israelites 1984 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,600 with his army, 1985 00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:38,066 and, at the sea, 1986 00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:38,066 God parts the waters 1987 00:59:38,166 --> 00:59:40,867 so that the 1988 00:59:38,166 --> 00:59:40,867 Israelites can escape, 1989 00:59:40,967 --> 00:59:43,300 while it destroys the 1990 00:59:40,967 --> 00:59:43,300 entire Egyptian army. 1991 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,567 (suspenseful music) 1992 01:00:08,233 --> 01:00:12,734 (somber music) 1993 01:00:26,433 --> 01:00:28,500 - [Voiceover] Every 1994 01:00:26,433 --> 01:00:28,500 year, Jewish families 1995 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,266 from around the world 1996 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,266 celebrate the deliverance 1997 01:00:31,367 --> 01:00:35,100 of Israel from Egypt 1998 01:00:31,367 --> 01:00:35,100 during the Passover feast. 1999 01:00:39,834 --> 01:00:42,100 Records confirm 2000 01:00:39,834 --> 01:00:42,100 that the Passover 2001 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,600 has been observed for 2002 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,600 thousands of years. 2003 01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:47,166 Many believe it is 2004 01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:47,166 difficult to explain 2005 01:00:47,266 --> 01:00:49,367 the origin of 2006 01:00:47,266 --> 01:00:49,367 Passover if there were 2007 01:00:49,467 --> 01:00:52,100 no real event on 2008 01:00:49,467 --> 01:00:52,100 which it was based. 2009 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,600 (somber music) 2010 01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:09,667 While in Jerusalem, 2011 01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:09,667 Mahoney went to speak 2012 01:01:09,767 --> 01:01:11,567 with Rabbi David Hartman, 2013 01:01:11,667 --> 01:01:14,467 the founder of the 2014 01:01:11,667 --> 01:01:14,467 Shalom Hartman Institute. 2015 01:01:14,567 --> 01:01:16,333 - [David] Each 2016 01:01:14,567 --> 01:01:16,333 year, we celebrate 2017 01:01:16,433 --> 01:01:18,600 the Exodus as if we were there. 2018 01:01:19,233 --> 01:01:20,967 We were slaves to 2019 01:01:19,233 --> 01:01:20,967 Pharaoh in Egypt 2020 01:01:21,066 --> 01:01:24,734 and we dramatically 2021 01:01:21,066 --> 01:01:24,734 celebrate the Passover Seder 2022 01:01:24,834 --> 01:01:27,333 as if we are participants. 2023 01:01:27,433 --> 01:01:30,900 So there's always a renewal, 2024 01:01:27,433 --> 01:01:30,900 always a renewed giving, 2025 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,700 a new spirit into the 2026 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,700 Passover Exodus story. 2027 01:01:36,467 --> 01:01:38,100 Because in remembering 2028 01:01:36,467 --> 01:01:38,100 the Exodus, 2029 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,767 we remember that in the 2030 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,767 dark conditions of history, 2031 01:01:42,867 --> 01:01:46,600 God, the Lord, had in 2032 01:01:42,867 --> 01:01:46,600 some way made possible, 2033 01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:49,233 through Moses, our liberation. 2034 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,967 - [Voiceover] But 2035 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,967 what about those 2036 01:01:52,066 --> 01:01:54,633 who think the Exodus 2037 01:01:52,066 --> 01:01:54,633 never happened? 2038 01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,367 Noted Israeli archaeologist, 2039 01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,367 Israel Finkelstein, 2040 01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:03,633 specializes in the ancient 2041 01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:03,633 history of the land of Israel. 2042 01:02:03,734 --> 01:02:06,567 In his influential book, 2043 01:02:03,734 --> 01:02:06,567 The Bible Unearthed, 2044 01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:09,033 he has argued that the 2045 01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:09,033 Exodus did not happen 2046 01:02:09,133 --> 01:02:11,367 in the manner 2047 01:02:09,133 --> 01:02:11,367 described in the Bible. 2048 01:02:12,066 --> 01:02:15,200 He proposes that it was based 2049 01:02:12,066 --> 01:02:15,200 on vague memories of events, 2050 01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:18,633 written down for political 2051 01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:18,633 motives centuries later. 2052 01:02:18,734 --> 01:02:21,033 - Do you believe in 2053 01:02:18,734 --> 01:02:21,033 celebrating the Passover? 2054 01:02:21,133 --> 01:02:24,633 - Sure, celebrating the 2055 01:02:21,133 --> 01:02:24,633 Passover? Definitely. 2056 01:02:24,734 --> 01:02:29,567 I think that I make a 2057 01:02:24,734 --> 01:02:29,567 distinction in my private life, 2058 01:02:29,667 --> 01:02:33,867 in my life as a scholar, in 2059 01:02:29,667 --> 01:02:33,867 my life as part of a family. 2060 01:02:33,967 --> 01:02:35,834 I make a very clear distinction 2061 01:02:35,934 --> 01:02:38,133 between scholarship 2062 01:02:35,934 --> 01:02:38,133 and tradition. 2063 01:02:38,233 --> 01:02:40,533 - When I sit at 2064 01:02:38,233 --> 01:02:40,533 the Passover meal 2065 01:02:40,633 --> 01:02:42,700 and we read the 2066 01:02:40,633 --> 01:02:42,700 Haggadah with the family 2067 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,567 that evening it's all 2068 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,567 history from A to Z; 2069 01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:48,700 perfect history. 2070 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,266 Because history is not only 2071 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,266 about the time of Moses, 2072 01:02:52,367 --> 01:02:53,734 let's say, okay? 2073 01:02:53,834 --> 01:02:56,667 History is also 2074 01:02:53,834 --> 01:02:56,667 about all those many 2075 01:02:56,767 --> 01:02:59,100 generations of my forefathers 2076 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,600 who were sitting to the 2077 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,600 same table in Passover 2078 01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:04,967 in the same time and 2079 01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:04,967 reciting the Haggadah 2080 01:03:05,066 --> 01:03:06,467 This is also history. 2081 01:03:06,567 --> 01:03:09,734 And so, which means that I 2082 01:03:06,567 --> 01:03:09,734 am part of something bigger, 2083 01:03:09,834 --> 01:03:12,300 which goes on and on and 2084 01:03:09,834 --> 01:03:12,300 on for many generations 2085 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,066 and this is important for me. 2086 01:03:14,166 --> 01:03:16,700 So yes, the answer 2087 01:03:14,166 --> 01:03:16,700 is that there is 2088 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,266 a clear distinction 2089 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,266 between the two. 2090 01:03:19,367 --> 01:03:20,834 - [Tim] What do 2091 01:03:19,367 --> 01:03:20,834 you say to people 2092 01:03:20,934 --> 01:03:22,834 who are concerned with the idea 2093 01:03:22,934 --> 01:03:25,767 that these stories didn't 2094 01:03:22,934 --> 01:03:25,767 happen as they were written? 2095 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,066 - I would tell them that 2096 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,066 this in not important. 2097 01:03:29,166 --> 01:03:31,533 Whether the stories, 2098 01:03:29,166 --> 01:03:31,533 whether the things happened 2099 01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:34,233 exactly in that way 2100 01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:34,233 in not important. 2101 01:03:34,333 --> 01:03:36,066 I think that it is 2102 01:03:34,333 --> 01:03:36,066 more important to 2103 01:03:36,166 --> 01:03:39,000 understand the 2104 01:03:36,166 --> 01:03:39,000 meaning of Exodus, 2105 01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,533 the moral of Exodus. 2106 01:03:41,633 --> 01:03:43,000 - [Tim] Rabbi Wolpe has said 2107 01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,000 that Professor 2108 01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,000 Finkelstein's work 2109 01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,300 has greatly influenced 2110 01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,300 his thinking. 2111 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,667 - The idea of the Exodus 2112 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,667 and the Revelation, 2113 01:03:49,767 --> 01:03:50,834 however you configure it, 2114 01:03:50,934 --> 01:03:53,133 it is central to the 2115 01:03:50,934 --> 01:03:53,133 Jewish tradition. 2116 01:03:53,233 --> 01:03:56,400 But I think that doesn't 2117 01:03:53,233 --> 01:03:56,400 mean that you have to believe 2118 01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:59,934 that the Torah gives a 2119 01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:59,934 historical account of it. 2120 01:04:00,033 --> 01:04:03,233 I don't think the Torah 2121 01:04:00,033 --> 01:04:03,233 is a book of facts. 2122 01:04:03,333 --> 01:04:05,100 It's a book of meaning. 2123 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,400 - [Tim] However, John Bimson 2124 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,400 shared a very different view. 2125 01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:11,633 - [John] History and theology 2126 01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:14,066 are tightly intertwined 2127 01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:14,066 in the Bible. 2128 01:04:14,166 --> 01:04:16,934 If you took away the 2129 01:04:14,166 --> 01:04:16,934 historical basis, 2130 01:04:17,033 --> 01:04:19,066 then you've really deprived it 2131 01:04:19,166 --> 01:04:21,233 of a lot of its 2132 01:04:19,166 --> 01:04:21,233 theological truth. 2133 01:04:21,333 --> 01:04:24,133 So much of what the 2134 01:04:21,333 --> 01:04:24,133 Old Testament says 2135 01:04:24,233 --> 01:04:27,166 about the character of 2136 01:04:24,233 --> 01:04:27,166 God and His purposes 2137 01:04:27,266 --> 01:04:29,834 in calling Israel 2138 01:04:27,266 --> 01:04:29,834 are intertwined 2139 01:04:29,934 --> 01:04:34,400 with this story of these 2140 01:04:29,934 --> 01:04:34,400 people coming out of Egypt 2141 01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:36,300 and entering the Promised Land. 2142 01:04:37,033 --> 01:04:38,133 So history and theology 2143 01:04:38,233 --> 01:04:40,166 are tightly intertwined 2144 01:04:38,233 --> 01:04:40,166 in the Bible. 2145 01:04:42,567 --> 01:04:44,600 - [Tim] After more than 2146 01:04:42,567 --> 01:04:44,600 a decade of searching, 2147 01:04:45,433 --> 01:04:47,667 this is what it comes down to. 2148 01:04:47,767 --> 01:04:49,834 Is the Bible's 2149 01:04:47,767 --> 01:04:49,834 account true history, 2150 01:04:50,567 --> 01:04:53,900 or is it simply the 2151 01:04:50,567 --> 01:04:53,900 traditions of a devout people? 2152 01:04:58,734 --> 01:05:02,066 If the judgment happened 2153 01:04:58,734 --> 01:05:02,066 as described in the Bible, 2154 01:05:02,166 --> 01:05:05,500 Egyptian society 2155 01:05:02,166 --> 01:05:05,500 would have collapsed. 2156 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,000 Loss of their agriculture, 2157 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,000 loss of their first-born sons, 2158 01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,934 loss of their slave-force, 2159 01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,934 and the loss of their army. 2160 01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:18,734 In fact, Moses recorded that 2161 01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:18,734 Egypt was still suffering 2162 01:05:18,834 --> 01:05:22,400 from defeat 40 years 2163 01:05:18,834 --> 01:05:22,400 after the Exodus. 2164 01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:27,533 (energetic music) 2165 01:05:36,867 --> 01:05:38,200 - [Voiceover] Critics 2166 01:05:36,867 --> 01:05:38,200 are quick to point out 2167 01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:40,300 that there is no such 2168 01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:40,300 record from Egypt 2169 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,467 of supernatural judgment 2170 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,467 and devastation. 2171 01:05:43,567 --> 01:05:45,834 But others believe there 2172 01:05:43,567 --> 01:05:45,834 is an Egyptian document 2173 01:05:45,934 --> 01:05:48,300 that actually gives 2174 01:05:45,934 --> 01:05:48,300 an eyewitness account 2175 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,200 of the plagues and chaos 2176 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,200 surrounding the Exodus. 2177 01:05:52,266 --> 01:05:53,467 Mahoney went to Holland to meet 2178 01:05:53,567 --> 01:05:55,900 the curator of 2179 01:05:53,567 --> 01:05:55,900 the Leiden Museum, 2180 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,967 where this significant 2181 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,967 papyrus is housed. 2182 01:05:59,834 --> 01:06:02,767 But Egyptologist Maarten 2183 01:05:59,834 --> 01:06:02,767 Raven sees no evidence 2184 01:06:02,867 --> 01:06:06,700 for the Exodus in this 2185 01:06:02,867 --> 01:06:06,700 document or anywhere else. 2186 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,166 - The story of the Exodus is 2187 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,166 described in the Old Testament. 2188 01:06:10,266 --> 01:06:12,800 It's part of the 2189 01:06:10,266 --> 01:06:12,800 national history 2190 01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,900 of the Jewish people, 2191 01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,900 or so they say. 2192 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,834 We have no independent evidence 2193 01:06:19,633 --> 01:06:22,567 that this is a real 2194 01:06:19,633 --> 01:06:22,567 historical event. 2195 01:06:22,667 --> 01:06:26,133 We can believe it because 2196 01:06:22,667 --> 01:06:26,133 we believe in the Bible? 2197 01:06:26,233 --> 01:06:30,100 There are no Egyptian 2198 01:06:26,233 --> 01:06:30,100 sources that describe it. 2199 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,500 There are no other documents. 2200 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,767 There are no 2201 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,767 archaeological sources 2202 01:06:33,867 --> 01:06:38,533 that could prove this took 2203 01:06:33,867 --> 01:06:38,533 place as a mass exodus. 2204 01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:45,700 - [Voiceover] Raven's 2205 01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:45,700 position, again, 2206 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,433 is that of most 2207 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,433 Egyptologists today. 2208 01:06:49,967 --> 01:06:51,734 But there are some 2209 01:06:49,967 --> 01:06:51,734 scholars who suggest 2210 01:06:51,834 --> 01:06:54,767 that descriptions found 2211 01:06:51,834 --> 01:06:54,767 in this Egyptian document 2212 01:06:54,867 --> 01:06:58,400 bear a remarkable resemblance 2213 01:06:54,867 --> 01:06:58,400 to the plagues of the Bible, 2214 01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:01,500 only from an Egyptian 2215 01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:01,500 point of view. 2216 01:07:02,834 --> 01:07:06,100 Written by a scribe named 2217 01:07:02,834 --> 01:07:06,100 Ipuwer, the papyrus known as 2218 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,066 "The Admonitions of 2219 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,066 an Egyptian Sage" 2220 01:07:09,166 --> 01:07:11,567 poetically describes 2221 01:07:09,166 --> 01:07:11,567 a series of calamities 2222 01:07:11,667 --> 01:07:14,100 and the chaos that followed. 2223 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,100 - [Maarten] Ipuwer, we 2224 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,100 don't know who he was, 2225 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,967 but he was obviously 2226 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,967 somebody in a position 2227 01:07:21,066 --> 01:07:24,500 to address his 2228 01:07:21,066 --> 01:07:24,500 majesty, the king. 2229 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,300 There's only one copy 2230 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,300 of this specific text 2231 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,000 and that is here in 2232 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,000 the Leiden Museum. 2233 01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:34,500 It's a very, very vivid report, 2234 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,934 or would be report, of 2235 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,934 what happens to Egypt 2236 01:07:39,033 --> 01:07:41,767 when the central 2237 01:07:39,033 --> 01:07:41,767 power falls away. 2238 01:07:43,967 --> 01:07:46,567 - [Tim] Many believe a 2239 01:07:43,967 --> 01:07:46,567 collapse of Egypt's power 2240 01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:48,934 is exactly what 2241 01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:48,934 would have happened 2242 01:07:49,033 --> 01:07:51,734 due to the plagues of Exodus. 2243 01:07:51,834 --> 01:07:54,233 And as I compared 2244 01:07:51,834 --> 01:07:54,233 the book of Exodus 2245 01:07:54,333 --> 01:07:56,333 to the writings of Ipuwer, 2246 01:07:56,433 --> 01:07:59,233 I too was intrigued 2247 01:07:56,433 --> 01:07:59,233 by the similarities. 2248 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,734 - To convince Pharaoh, God says, 2249 01:08:02,834 --> 01:08:07,066 "Take some water from the Nile 2250 01:08:02,834 --> 01:08:07,066 and pour it on the ground, 2251 01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:10,433 "and as it hits the ground 2252 01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:10,433 it will turn into blood." 2253 01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,600 - [Egyptian voice] 2254 01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,600 Behold, Egypt is fallen 2255 01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:18,967 to the pouring of water. 2256 01:08:19,767 --> 01:08:22,867 And he who poured 2257 01:08:19,767 --> 01:08:22,867 water on the ground 2258 01:08:22,967 --> 01:08:26,600 seizes the mighty in misery. 2259 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,600 - [Manis] And all the water 2260 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,600 in the Nile turned into blood. 2261 01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:35,834 And the fish of the Nile 2262 01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:35,834 died, and the Nile reeked, 2263 01:08:35,934 --> 01:08:39,467 so that the Egyptians could 2264 01:08:35,934 --> 01:08:39,467 not drink water from the Nile. 2265 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,300 - [Egyptian voice] 2266 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,300 The River is blood. 2267 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,900 If you drink of it, 2268 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,900 you lose your humanity, 2269 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,433 and thirst for water. 2270 01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:56,166 - [Manis] All the livestock 2271 01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:56,166 of the Egyptians died. 2272 01:08:56,266 --> 01:08:58,767 (thunder cracks) 2273 01:08:56,266 --> 01:08:58,767 Fire ran down from heaven 2274 01:08:59,633 --> 01:09:03,266 and the Lord sent 2275 01:08:59,633 --> 01:09:03,266 hail upon the land. 2276 01:09:03,367 --> 01:09:06,166 Even the flax and the 2277 01:09:03,367 --> 01:09:06,166 barley were smitten. 2278 01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,967 - [Egyptian voice] Gone is 2279 01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,967 the barley of abundance, 2280 01:09:11,066 --> 01:09:13,533 food supplies are running short. 2281 01:09:14,166 --> 01:09:17,066 The nobles hunger and suffer. 2282 01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:21,333 Those who had shelter are 2283 01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:21,333 in the dark of the storm. 2284 01:09:21,433 --> 01:09:23,033 (thunder rumbles) 2285 01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:28,000 - I see no connection 2286 01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:28,000 between the papyrus of Ipuwer 2287 01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,633 and the story of the 2288 01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,633 Plagues of Egypt. 2289 01:09:31,734 --> 01:09:36,500 It is, in a way, in 2290 01:09:31,734 --> 01:09:36,500 a very indirect way, 2291 01:09:37,533 --> 01:09:41,100 an eyewitness report 2292 01:09:37,533 --> 01:09:41,100 of a historical period. 2293 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,333 It pretends to be such a 2294 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,333 report, but in fact it isn't. 2295 01:09:47,667 --> 01:09:50,333 - At midnight, the 2296 01:09:47,667 --> 01:09:50,333 Lord struck down 2297 01:09:50,433 --> 01:09:53,000 all the firstborn in 2298 01:09:50,433 --> 01:09:53,000 the land of Egypt, 2299 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:56,734 from the firstborn of Pharaoh, 2300 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:56,734 sitting on his throne, 2301 01:09:56,834 --> 01:10:00,433 to the firstborn of the 2302 01:09:56,834 --> 01:10:00,433 captive in the dungeon. 2303 01:10:01,934 --> 01:10:05,567 - [Egyptian voice] Behold, 2304 01:10:01,934 --> 01:10:05,567 plague sweeps the land, 2305 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,500 blood is everywhere, with 2306 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,500 no shortage of the dead. 2307 01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:16,133 He who buries his brother 2308 01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:16,133 in the ground is everywhere. 2309 01:10:17,133 --> 01:10:20,133 Woe is me for the 2310 01:10:17,133 --> 01:10:20,133 grief of this time. 2311 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,467 - And there was a great wailing 2312 01:10:23,567 --> 01:10:25,266 throughout the land of Egypt, 2313 01:10:25,367 --> 01:10:28,433 for there was not a 2314 01:10:25,367 --> 01:10:28,433 house without its dead. 2315 01:10:30,166 --> 01:10:32,767 - [Egyptian voice] Wailing 2316 01:10:30,166 --> 01:10:32,767 is throughout the land, 2317 01:10:32,867 --> 01:10:35,166 mingled with lamentations. 2318 01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,467 - All the time we have 2319 01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,467 to convince ourselves 2320 01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:40,767 that this person can't 2321 01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:40,767 have seen all this. 2322 01:10:40,867 --> 01:10:45,333 He imagined it, or he had 2323 01:10:40,867 --> 01:10:45,333 received this information 2324 01:10:45,433 --> 01:10:49,600 from other similar 2325 01:10:45,433 --> 01:10:49,600 propagandistic literature. 2326 01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:51,300 - Because it's so fantastic? 2327 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,133 - [Maarten] Yes. 2328 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,133 It's very fantastic. 2329 01:10:53,233 --> 01:10:56,133 But he hasn't seen it, 2330 01:10:53,233 --> 01:10:56,133 he just imagined it. 2331 01:10:56,233 --> 01:10:59,300 Don't confuse this with 2332 01:10:56,233 --> 01:10:59,300 the message of the Bible, 2333 01:11:00,033 --> 01:11:03,700 the Ten Plagues. That's 2334 01:11:00,033 --> 01:11:03,700 quite a different story. 2335 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,367 Whether this happened 2336 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,367 or not is irrelevant. 2337 01:11:06,467 --> 01:11:09,166 It's a beautiful 2338 01:11:06,467 --> 01:11:09,166 literary document, 2339 01:11:09,266 --> 01:11:12,133 and again, yes, God was angry 2340 01:11:12,233 --> 01:11:14,266 and punished the Egyptians, 2341 01:11:14,367 --> 01:11:19,300 but this is just 2342 01:11:14,367 --> 01:11:19,300 a literary cliche. 2343 01:11:22,367 --> 01:11:24,400 - [Voiceover] The 2344 01:11:22,367 --> 01:11:24,400 influential Egyptologist, 2345 01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:26,200 the late Miriam Lichtheim, 2346 01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:28,967 ruled out the possibility 2347 01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:28,967 that the papyrus, 2348 01:11:29,066 --> 01:11:31,100 The Admonitions of Ipuwer, 2349 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,433 referred to a real 2350 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,433 national calamity. 2351 01:11:34,066 --> 01:11:36,867 Agreeing with other scholars, 2352 01:11:34,066 --> 01:11:36,867 she stated the following: 2353 01:11:37,767 --> 01:11:40,834 - [Miriam] The description 2354 01:11:37,767 --> 01:11:40,834 of chaos in the Admonitions 2355 01:11:40,934 --> 01:11:43,400 is inherently contradictory, 2356 01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,967 hence, historically impossible. 2357 01:11:47,166 --> 01:11:51,500 On the one hand, the land is 2358 01:11:47,166 --> 01:11:51,500 said to suffer from total want; 2359 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,600 on the other hand the poor are 2360 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,600 described as becoming rich, 2361 01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:59,166 of wearing fine clothes, 2362 01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:59,166 and generally of disposing 2363 01:11:59,266 --> 01:12:02,066 of all that once 2364 01:11:59,266 --> 01:12:02,066 belonged to the masters. 2365 01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:06,200 - [Tim] However, when you 2366 01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:06,200 read the biblical account, 2367 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:07,934 it becomes clear 2368 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:07,934 how this apparent 2369 01:12:08,033 --> 01:12:10,600 contradiction could 2370 01:12:08,033 --> 01:12:10,600 have happened. 2371 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,333 - [Manis] Moses told the 2372 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,333 Israelites to ask the Egyptians 2373 01:12:15,433 --> 01:12:18,633 for silver and gold 2374 01:12:15,433 --> 01:12:18,633 jewelry, and for clothing. 2375 01:12:20,667 --> 01:12:23,066 - [Egyptian voice] People 2376 01:12:20,667 --> 01:12:23,066 are stripped of clothes. 2377 01:12:23,734 --> 01:12:26,300 The slave takes what he finds. 2378 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,066 Gold, lapis lazuli, 2379 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,066 silver and turquoise 2380 01:12:30,166 --> 01:12:33,800 are strung on the 2381 01:12:30,166 --> 01:12:33,800 necks of female slaves. 2382 01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,600 - [Manis] The Lord 2383 01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,600 gave the people favor 2384 01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:38,200 in the sight of the Egyptians, 2385 01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:40,734 so they gave them 2386 01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:40,734 whatever they asked. 2387 01:12:40,834 --> 01:12:43,467 Thus, they plundered 2388 01:12:40,834 --> 01:12:43,467 the land of Egypt. 2389 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:49,033 - [Tim] The very point that 2390 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:49,033 Miriam Lichtheim viewed 2391 01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:53,066 as "contradictory" and therefore 2392 01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:53,066 "historically impossible", 2393 01:12:53,166 --> 01:12:55,400 is the very point 2394 01:12:53,166 --> 01:12:55,400 that most specifically 2395 01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:57,700 matches the biblical text, 2396 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,066 but Maarten remains unconvinced. 2397 01:13:00,166 --> 01:13:02,033 He revealed to me 2398 01:13:00,166 --> 01:13:02,033 the main reason why. 2399 01:13:02,767 --> 01:13:04,033 - It's out of the question that 2400 01:13:04,133 --> 01:13:07,066 this can refer to one 2401 01:13:04,133 --> 01:13:07,066 and the same event. 2402 01:13:07,166 --> 01:13:09,266 Conventional chronology has it 2403 01:13:09,367 --> 01:13:13,533 that the Exodus 2404 01:13:09,367 --> 01:13:13,533 took place somewhere 2405 01:13:13,633 --> 01:13:16,633 during the Ramesside 2406 01:13:13,633 --> 01:13:16,633 Period in Egypt, 2407 01:13:16,734 --> 01:13:19,934 maybe around 1200 BC. 2408 01:13:20,033 --> 01:13:23,967 Whereas our papyrus, when 2409 01:13:20,033 --> 01:13:23,967 you look at the grammar 2410 01:13:24,066 --> 01:13:27,934 and the literary figures, 2411 01:13:28,033 --> 01:13:30,500 et cetera, there's no question 2412 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,967 that it was composed 2413 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,967 in the Middle Kingdom 2414 01:13:34,066 --> 01:13:37,200 and it is 600, 700, 2415 01:13:34,066 --> 01:13:37,200 800 years earlier. 2416 01:13:39,133 --> 01:13:41,533 - [Tim] But I realized 2417 01:13:39,133 --> 01:13:41,533 that all the other evidence 2418 01:13:41,633 --> 01:13:44,133 I had looked at 2419 01:13:41,633 --> 01:13:44,133 was also converging 2420 01:13:44,233 --> 01:13:47,533 in the Middle Kingdom, 2421 01:13:44,233 --> 01:13:47,533 not the time of Ramesses. 2422 01:13:48,467 --> 01:13:50,533 And was it just 2423 01:13:48,467 --> 01:13:50,533 another coincidence 2424 01:13:50,633 --> 01:13:52,900 that this document was 2425 01:13:50,633 --> 01:13:52,900 originally composed 2426 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,100 in the only period 2427 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,100 when Egypt's delta 2428 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,834 was dominated by large 2429 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,834 numbers of Semites? 2430 01:14:04,166 --> 01:14:06,266 It became obvious 2431 01:14:04,166 --> 01:14:06,266 to me and my team 2432 01:14:06,367 --> 01:14:08,500 that if people look at 2433 01:14:06,367 --> 01:14:08,500 the wrong time in history 2434 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,900 for evidence of the Exodus, 2435 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,900 they won't find any. 2436 01:14:12,533 --> 01:14:15,300 So Ramesses is a giant, 2437 01:14:12,533 --> 01:14:15,300 standing in the way 2438 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,000 of connecting this 2439 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,000 evidence with the Exodus. 2440 01:14:18,967 --> 01:14:21,700 And for over 50 2441 01:14:18,967 --> 01:14:21,700 years, all the books, 2442 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,066 all the television programs, 2443 01:14:24,166 --> 01:14:26,000 and all the university 2444 01:14:24,166 --> 01:14:26,000 professors who've been 2445 01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,700 convincing the world 2446 01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,700 to dismiss the Bible 2447 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,000 have been doing so based 2448 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,000 mainly on this one issue, 2449 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:35,333 chronology, the dates 2450 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:35,333 assumed for the Exodus, 2451 01:14:35,433 --> 01:14:39,100 and the lack of evidence 2452 01:14:35,433 --> 01:14:39,100 at the time of Ramesses II. 2453 01:14:39,867 --> 01:14:41,967 But if it happened 2454 01:14:39,867 --> 01:14:41,967 long before his time, 2455 01:14:42,066 --> 01:14:44,233 then it means they're all wrong. 2456 01:14:44,333 --> 01:14:45,700 Wrong about the pharaoh, 2457 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,633 and perhaps wrong about 2458 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,633 the Exodus never happening. 2459 01:14:49,734 --> 01:14:54,100 (mystical music) 2460 01:14:57,367 --> 01:14:59,133 - [Voiceover] Rohl took 2461 01:14:57,367 --> 01:14:59,133 Mahoney to see the replica 2462 01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:01,100 of a monument erected 2463 01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:01,100 just a few years 2464 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,533 after Ramesses' death, 2465 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,533 by his son Merenptah. 2466 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,100 It's important because 2467 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,100 it shows that Ramesses 2468 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,867 could not be the 2469 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,867 pharaoh of the Exodus 2470 01:15:09,967 --> 01:15:13,500 because in his time, Israel 2471 01:15:09,967 --> 01:15:13,500 was already a nation, 2472 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,633 established in the 2473 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,633 land of Canaan. 2474 01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:19,033 - [David] So this is the 2475 01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:19,033 famous Merenptah Stela, 2476 01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:21,300 or what we call 2477 01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:21,300 the Israel Stela. 2478 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,734 And it actually belongs 2479 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,734 to the King Merenptah. 2480 01:15:23,834 --> 01:15:26,700 Up there at the top you can 2481 01:15:23,834 --> 01:15:26,700 see him, facing the god Amun. 2482 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,800 And he lists, in a poetic form, 2483 01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:30,100 all the different 2484 01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:30,100 conquered nations, 2485 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,000 the nations that are at peace. 2486 01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:35,066 But right at the bottom, we 2487 01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:35,066 have three crucial lines, 2488 01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:37,700 because this is where we 2489 01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:37,700 find a link to the Bible. 2490 01:15:40,233 --> 01:15:42,200 Let's read it together, okay? 2491 01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:45,867 We have the two reeds, that's 2492 01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:45,867 the sound "yee" or "ee", okay? 2493 01:15:45,967 --> 01:15:50,066 Then a bolt, which is 2494 01:15:45,967 --> 01:15:50,066 "s", an "r", a mouth, 2495 01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:54,433 an "e", an "ah", and 2496 01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:54,433 an "l", Is-ra-el. 2497 01:15:54,533 --> 01:15:56,000 - [Tim] Israel. 2498 01:15:54,533 --> 01:15:56,000 - Israel. 2499 01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:58,967 This is the only time 2500 01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:58,967 that we see this name 2501 01:15:59,066 --> 01:16:00,867 on an Egyptian monument. 2502 01:16:00,967 --> 01:16:02,834 After the name "Israel" 2503 01:16:00,967 --> 01:16:02,834 are these two figures here, 2504 01:16:02,934 --> 01:16:05,166 these two seated figures 2505 01:16:02,934 --> 01:16:05,166 of a woman and a man 2506 01:16:05,266 --> 01:16:06,700 and three strokes underneath. 2507 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,133 These three strokes mean plural. 2508 01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:10,633 So it means the people 2509 01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:10,633 or nation of Israel. 2510 01:16:11,433 --> 01:16:12,767 And then this is 2511 01:16:11,433 --> 01:16:12,767 the interesting bit. 2512 01:16:12,867 --> 01:16:17,700 It says, "Fekty bin peret f." 2513 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,834 "Israel is laid waste, 2514 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,834 his seed is no more." 2515 01:16:21,934 --> 01:16:23,533 - [Tim] Well, does it mean that 2516 01:16:21,934 --> 01:16:23,533 they were literally no more? 2517 01:16:23,633 --> 01:16:25,633 - No, it's a sort of 2518 01:16:23,633 --> 01:16:25,633 poetical way of saying 2519 01:16:25,734 --> 01:16:27,800 they'd been overcome, defeated. 2520 01:16:25,734 --> 01:16:27,800 - [Tim] Or pacified? 2521 01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:31,300 - Yeah. All these phrases 2522 01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:31,300 here above are like that. 2523 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,133 It's a poetical 2524 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,133 phrase, effectively. 2525 01:16:33,233 --> 01:16:35,000 - [Tim] How significant 2526 01:16:33,233 --> 01:16:35,000 is this then, 2527 01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:36,600 to the story of the Exodus? 2528 01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:38,033 - Well, for me it's 2529 01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:38,033 very important, 2530 01:16:38,133 --> 01:16:41,200 because if we're talking 2531 01:16:38,133 --> 01:16:41,200 about Ramesses II or Merenptah 2532 01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:44,066 being at the time of the 2533 01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:44,066 Exodus of Moses and Joshua, 2534 01:16:44,166 --> 01:16:45,834 this just does not 2535 01:16:44,166 --> 01:16:45,834 fit the pattern. 2536 01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:49,333 It's not tribes wandering 2537 01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:49,333 around the Sinai, 2538 01:16:49,433 --> 01:16:50,900 lost in the desert or, you know, 2539 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,800 during the wandering 2540 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,800 periods of Moses and Joshua. 2541 01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:55,934 They seem to be a 2542 01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:55,934 political entity. 2543 01:16:57,133 --> 01:16:59,066 - [Voiceover] This monument 2544 01:16:57,133 --> 01:16:59,066 doesn't fit the idea 2545 01:16:59,166 --> 01:17:01,500 of Ramesses being the 2546 01:16:59,166 --> 01:17:01,500 pharaoh of the Exodus 2547 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,967 because it was written 2548 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,967 shortly after his death 2549 01:17:04,633 --> 01:17:07,734 and it recognizes Israel 2550 01:17:04,633 --> 01:17:07,734 already existing in Canaan 2551 01:17:07,834 --> 01:17:10,300 as one of the significant 2552 01:17:07,834 --> 01:17:10,300 powers of the day. 2553 01:17:11,033 --> 01:17:14,133 And that shouldn't be 2554 01:17:11,033 --> 01:17:14,133 because the Bible says 2555 01:17:14,233 --> 01:17:17,734 that the Israelites did not 2556 01:17:14,233 --> 01:17:17,734 even begin to conquer Canaan 2557 01:17:17,834 --> 01:17:20,266 until 40 years after the Exodus. 2558 01:17:20,967 --> 01:17:22,500 So Ramesses could not have been 2559 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,767 the pharaoh who let 2560 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,767 the Israelites go. 2561 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,700 Then Mahoney got a lead 2562 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,700 about another inscription. 2563 01:17:31,767 --> 01:17:34,066 Charles Aling brought 2564 01:17:31,767 --> 01:17:34,066 him to see his colleague, 2565 01:17:34,166 --> 01:17:37,700 historian Clyde Billington, 2566 01:17:34,166 --> 01:17:37,700 who has extensively researched 2567 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,066 this newly-discovered find. 2568 01:17:40,166 --> 01:17:41,233 - Besides the Merneptah Stela, 2569 01:17:41,333 --> 01:17:43,500 there's another 2570 01:17:41,333 --> 01:17:43,500 reference to Israel. 2571 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,266 It's called the Berlin Pedestal. 2572 01:17:45,367 --> 01:17:48,166 It's in the State Museum 2573 01:17:45,367 --> 01:17:48,166 in Berlin, Germany, 2574 01:17:48,266 --> 01:17:49,967 and this is something 2575 01:17:48,266 --> 01:17:49,967 that's just now 2576 01:17:50,066 --> 01:17:52,533 being studied and 2577 01:17:50,066 --> 01:17:52,533 discussed by scholars. 2578 01:17:53,533 --> 01:17:55,800 - [Voiceover] On the base 2579 01:17:53,533 --> 01:17:55,800 of this Egyptian statue, 2580 01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:57,433 they showed Mahoney name rings, 2581 01:17:57,533 --> 01:18:00,333 each representing an 2582 01:17:57,533 --> 01:18:00,333 enemy defeated by Pharaoh 2583 01:18:00,433 --> 01:18:02,066 in the region of Canaan. 2584 01:18:02,166 --> 01:18:04,233 - [Tim] So would these 2585 01:18:02,166 --> 01:18:04,233 have been captured people? 2586 01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:07,000 - Realize that pharaohs 2587 01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:07,000 all the time exaggerate, 2588 01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:08,300 to say the very least. 2589 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,767 - [Tim] So is he bragging? 2590 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,767 - He's bragging. 2591 01:18:09,867 --> 01:18:11,033 - [Tim] Okay. 2592 01:18:09,867 --> 01:18:11,033 - He's bragging. 2593 01:18:11,133 --> 01:18:12,433 He's saying, "I've 2594 01:18:11,133 --> 01:18:12,433 conquered these people. 2595 01:18:12,533 --> 01:18:13,800 "I control these people." 2596 01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:16,233 This is the one that's 2597 01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:16,233 caused all of the excitement 2598 01:18:16,333 --> 01:18:18,834 because you have, 2599 01:18:16,333 --> 01:18:18,834 again, a bound enemy, 2600 01:18:18,934 --> 01:18:20,266 so telling you that these people 2601 01:18:20,367 --> 01:18:23,533 are enemies of the Egyptians, 2602 01:18:20,367 --> 01:18:23,533 and the name down here, 2603 01:18:23,633 --> 01:18:25,533 that while it's 2604 01:18:23,633 --> 01:18:25,533 partially broken away, 2605 01:18:25,633 --> 01:18:28,367 has been reconstructed, 2606 01:18:25,633 --> 01:18:28,367 and it's the name "Israel". 2607 01:18:28,467 --> 01:18:31,700 And this dates to around 1360. 2608 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,266 This makes the late date of 2609 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,266 the Exodus an impossibility. 2610 01:18:35,367 --> 01:18:37,066 This is 100 years earlier. 2611 01:18:37,166 --> 01:18:39,333 - [Charles] This 2612 01:18:37,166 --> 01:18:39,333 is a very crucial 2613 01:18:39,433 --> 01:18:41,000 evidence that we see here. 2614 01:18:42,066 --> 01:18:43,266 - [Voiceover] This 2615 01:18:42,066 --> 01:18:43,266 name ring demonstrates 2616 01:18:43,367 --> 01:18:45,533 that Israel had 2617 01:18:43,367 --> 01:18:45,533 already left Egypt 2618 01:18:45,633 --> 01:18:47,433 and was in Canaan 2619 01:18:45,633 --> 01:18:47,433 as Egypt's enemy 2620 01:18:47,533 --> 01:18:50,700 a century before the 2621 01:18:47,533 --> 01:18:50,700 Ramesses Exodus date, 2622 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,433 so obviously Ramesses 2623 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,433 could not have been 2624 01:18:53,533 --> 01:18:55,300 the pharaoh of the Exodus. 2625 01:18:59,033 --> 01:19:00,900 As another test to 2626 01:18:59,033 --> 01:19:00,900 see whether Ramesses 2627 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,166 really was the 2628 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,166 Pharaoh of the Exodus, 2629 01:19:03,266 --> 01:19:05,600 Mahoney would need to find 2630 01:19:03,266 --> 01:19:05,600 out if there were any signs 2631 01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:08,533 of major problems during 2632 01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:08,533 this famous king's reign, 2633 01:19:08,633 --> 01:19:10,667 such as a sudden 2634 01:19:08,633 --> 01:19:10,667 collapse of power, 2635 01:19:10,767 --> 01:19:13,767 that would match the 2636 01:19:10,767 --> 01:19:13,767 biblical judgment of Egypt. 2637 01:19:13,867 --> 01:19:15,400 - I don't see any 2638 01:19:13,867 --> 01:19:15,400 evidence that during 2639 01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:17,500 the reign of 2640 01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:17,500 Ramesses II there was 2641 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:22,266 a significant decline in 2642 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:22,266 the strength of the army, 2643 01:19:22,367 --> 01:19:25,133 in the economic 2644 01:19:22,367 --> 01:19:25,133 well-being of the country. 2645 01:19:25,233 --> 01:19:26,333 I don't see anything in the 2646 01:19:26,433 --> 01:19:28,600 succeeding reign of 2647 01:19:26,433 --> 01:19:28,600 Merenptah either. 2648 01:19:28,700 --> 01:19:29,867 - [Tim] So you're saying 2649 01:19:28,700 --> 01:19:29,867 there was some type 2650 01:19:29,967 --> 01:19:31,734 of stability that was formed? 2651 01:19:31,834 --> 01:19:34,033 - There was a great deal of 2652 01:19:31,834 --> 01:19:34,033 stability during this period, 2653 01:19:34,133 --> 01:19:36,967 had to have been for a lot of 2654 01:19:34,133 --> 01:19:36,967 these things to have occurred. 2655 01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:42,934 - [Tim] But there's more. 2656 01:19:43,033 --> 01:19:45,300 It came to my attention 2657 01:19:43,033 --> 01:19:45,300 that the Bible itself 2658 01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,700 contains a passage that's 2659 01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,700 been largely ignored. 2660 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,867 It gives a date for the 2661 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,867 Exodus hundreds of years 2662 01:19:51,967 --> 01:19:54,900 before Pharaoh Ramesses ruled. 2663 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,233 Yet it clearly says 2664 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,233 it was 480 years 2665 01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:00,333 from the building 2666 01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:00,333 of Solomon's temple 2667 01:20:00,433 --> 01:20:03,166 back to the time of the Exodus. 2668 01:20:03,834 --> 01:20:06,033 - [Voiceover] Most scholars 2669 01:20:03,834 --> 01:20:06,033 agree that King Solomon 2670 01:20:06,133 --> 01:20:11,066 began his reign in 970 BC, 2671 01:20:06,133 --> 01:20:11,066 so 480 years before this 2672 01:20:11,266 --> 01:20:14,700 would place the 2673 01:20:11,266 --> 01:20:14,700 Exodus around 1450 BC, 2674 01:20:15,567 --> 01:20:18,233 200 years before 2675 01:20:15,567 --> 01:20:18,233 the Ramesses date. 2676 01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:21,266 Yet the popular 2677 01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:21,266 view continues to be 2678 01:20:21,367 --> 01:20:24,000 that the Exodus occurred 2679 01:20:21,367 --> 01:20:24,000 in the time of Ramesses. 2680 01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:26,433 - [John] It's a date 2681 01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:26,433 that is based on 2682 01:20:27,533 --> 01:20:30,533 very flimsy indicators, 2683 01:20:27,533 --> 01:20:30,533 but this is where 2684 01:20:30,633 --> 01:20:35,133 the majority of scholars look, 2685 01:20:30,633 --> 01:20:35,133 almost out of habit really. 2686 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:39,800 Earlier periods have just 2687 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:39,800 dropped off their radar. 2688 01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:41,633 - [Tim] And would you say 2689 01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:41,633 that's the bottom line 2690 01:20:41,734 --> 01:20:43,500 of why they don't find any 2691 01:20:41,734 --> 01:20:43,500 evidence for the Bible? 2692 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,834 - I would, and I find it 2693 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,834 deeply ironic. (laughs softly) 2694 01:20:51,233 --> 01:20:53,667 - [Tim] If I'm going where 2695 01:20:51,233 --> 01:20:53,667 the evidence is strongest, 2696 01:20:53,767 --> 01:20:57,233 then I've got to look beyond 2697 01:20:53,767 --> 01:20:57,233 the Ramesses Exodus Theory. 2698 01:20:57,333 --> 01:20:59,166 And that's really encouraging, 2699 01:20:59,266 --> 01:21:01,967 because it means that 2700 01:20:59,266 --> 01:21:01,967 the events of the Exodus 2701 01:21:02,066 --> 01:21:04,500 can be shifted 2702 01:21:02,066 --> 01:21:04,500 200 years earlier. 2703 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:09,100 (vigorous music) 2704 01:21:17,734 --> 01:21:19,500 But my challenge isn't over, 2705 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,033 because this new biblical 2706 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,033 date, around 1450 BC, 2707 01:21:24,133 --> 01:21:26,066 still leaves the 2708 01:21:24,133 --> 01:21:26,066 events separated 2709 01:21:26,166 --> 01:21:29,266 from the Egyptian 2710 01:21:26,166 --> 01:21:29,266 pattern by 200 years. 2711 01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:34,467 I was determined to 2712 01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:34,467 find an answer for this, 2713 01:21:34,567 --> 01:21:37,467 and to do so, I would continue 2714 01:21:34,567 --> 01:21:37,467 to explore the pattern 2715 01:21:37,567 --> 01:21:40,133 that seemed to exist 2716 01:21:37,567 --> 01:21:40,133 in the earlier period. 2717 01:21:41,567 --> 01:21:44,433 - [Voiceover] Is there any 2718 01:21:41,567 --> 01:21:44,433 indication in the Middle Kingdom 2719 01:21:44,533 --> 01:21:46,867 of the next step of 2720 01:21:44,533 --> 01:21:46,867 the Bible's sequence: 2721 01:21:46,967 --> 01:21:49,266 a massive and sudden exodus 2722 01:21:49,367 --> 01:21:52,133 following the death 2723 01:21:49,367 --> 01:21:52,133 of the firstborn? 2724 01:21:53,567 --> 01:21:55,900 Rohl told Mahoney 2725 01:21:53,567 --> 01:21:55,900 about something amazing 2726 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,834 that was found at Avaris. 2727 01:21:57,934 --> 01:21:59,633 - We find an extraordinary 2728 01:21:57,934 --> 01:21:59,633 thing happens. 2729 01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:02,033 The archaeologists who've 2730 01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:02,033 been digging this area 2731 01:22:02,133 --> 01:22:04,433 suddenly find lots of 2732 01:22:02,133 --> 01:22:04,433 pits in the ground. 2733 01:22:05,233 --> 01:22:07,066 And in these pits are bodies, 2734 01:22:07,166 --> 01:22:08,867 and they've been 2735 01:22:07,166 --> 01:22:08,867 tossed into these pits. 2736 01:22:08,967 --> 01:22:10,600 They're not buried formally. 2737 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:13,133 They have no grave goods 2738 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:13,133 or anything like that. 2739 01:22:13,233 --> 01:22:15,300 These bodies are tossed 2740 01:22:13,233 --> 01:22:15,300 on top of each other. 2741 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:16,567 They're lying strewn. 2742 01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:18,333 You have hands and 2743 01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:18,333 legs crossing over. 2744 01:22:19,066 --> 01:22:21,667 What is happening 2745 01:22:19,066 --> 01:22:21,667 here? What is going on? 2746 01:22:22,500 --> 01:22:24,000 Bietak thinks its actually 2747 01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:25,900 some sort of plague 2748 01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:25,900 that's happened. 2749 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,567 A dramatic event where suddenly 2750 01:22:27,667 --> 01:22:29,400 they have to bury 2751 01:22:27,667 --> 01:22:29,400 people very quickly 2752 01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:32,333 because of contamination 2753 01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:32,333 of the living population. 2754 01:22:32,433 --> 01:22:34,767 So it's an emergency burial. 2755 01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,667 And then, all of a sudden, 2756 01:22:36,767 --> 01:22:39,600 all these Semitic peoples 2757 01:22:36,767 --> 01:22:39,600 who were living there 2758 01:22:39,700 --> 01:22:41,700 suddenly get up, 2759 01:22:39,700 --> 01:22:41,700 they pack their bags 2760 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,567 and they leave and the 2761 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,567 whole mound is abandoned. 2762 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,233 And we don't know for how long, 2763 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,233 and it just falls to ruin. 2764 01:22:48,333 --> 01:22:51,367 Now, isn't that just 2765 01:22:48,333 --> 01:22:51,367 like the story of Exodus? 2766 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,834 - [Voiceover] 120 miles 2767 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,834 to the south of Avaris, 2768 01:23:00,934 --> 01:23:02,400 another similar abandonment 2769 01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:05,900 was uncovered at 2770 01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:05,900 the town of Kahun. 2771 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,033 Excavators found a walled 2772 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,033 and guarded settlement, 2773 01:23:09,133 --> 01:23:12,567 which supported a large 2774 01:23:09,133 --> 01:23:12,567 Semitic population. 2775 01:23:12,667 --> 01:23:15,233 They also found 2776 01:23:12,667 --> 01:23:15,233 documentation of slavery. 2777 01:23:15,934 --> 01:23:18,333 Mysteriously, the 2778 01:23:15,934 --> 01:23:18,333 inhabitants here 2779 01:23:18,433 --> 01:23:21,033 seemed to have 2780 01:23:18,433 --> 01:23:21,033 disappeared overnight. 2781 01:23:22,567 --> 01:23:24,834 According to Professor 2782 01:23:22,567 --> 01:23:24,834 Rosalie David, 2783 01:23:24,934 --> 01:23:29,000 the town's abandonment was 2784 01:23:24,934 --> 01:23:29,000 "sudden and unpremeditated". 2785 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,567 Their goods were 2786 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,567 found in the streets 2787 01:23:31,667 --> 01:23:35,233 and houses of Kahun exactly 2788 01:23:31,667 --> 01:23:35,233 where they were left, 2789 01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:39,233 before being buried by the 2790 01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:39,233 sands of the desert so long ago. 2791 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:44,333 - [David] One of the great 2792 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:44,333 moments in Egyptian history 2793 01:23:44,433 --> 01:23:47,066 is the collapse of 2794 01:23:44,433 --> 01:23:47,066 Egyptian civilization. 2795 01:23:47,166 --> 01:23:50,333 When these foreigners 2796 01:23:47,166 --> 01:23:50,333 invade, these Hyksos rulers, 2797 01:23:50,433 --> 01:23:53,633 come in and destroy the land 2798 01:23:50,433 --> 01:23:53,633 and the Egyptian native rule 2799 01:23:53,734 --> 01:23:57,166 is completely suppressed, 2800 01:23:53,734 --> 01:23:57,166 Egypt is on its knees. 2801 01:23:57,266 --> 01:23:59,567 That's what we see in the 2802 01:23:57,266 --> 01:23:59,567 archaeological evidence 2803 01:23:59,667 --> 01:24:02,367 of this period and 2804 01:23:59,667 --> 01:24:02,367 it only happens once 2805 01:24:02,467 --> 01:24:05,166 in 1,000 years of 2806 01:24:02,467 --> 01:24:05,166 Egyptian history. 2807 01:24:06,834 --> 01:24:10,433 If we can link this to 2808 01:24:06,834 --> 01:24:10,433 a very famous tradition 2809 01:24:10,533 --> 01:24:13,533 told to us by an Egyptian 2810 01:24:10,533 --> 01:24:13,533 priest called Manetho, 2811 01:24:13,633 --> 01:24:16,367 he wrote a history of Egypt 2812 01:24:13,633 --> 01:24:16,367 in the 3rd century BC, 2813 01:24:16,467 --> 01:24:18,734 and what we end up with 2814 01:24:16,467 --> 01:24:18,734 is a story like this: 2815 01:24:18,834 --> 01:24:21,433 in the reign of a 2816 01:24:18,834 --> 01:24:21,433 king called Dudimose, 2817 01:24:21,533 --> 01:24:23,433 one of the last kings 2818 01:24:21,533 --> 01:24:23,433 of the 13th Dynasty, 2819 01:24:23,533 --> 01:24:26,967 in his reign, God 2820 01:24:23,533 --> 01:24:26,967 smote the Egyptians. 2821 01:24:27,066 --> 01:24:30,433 And God here is singular; 2822 01:24:27,066 --> 01:24:30,433 you would expect to see 2823 01:24:30,533 --> 01:24:33,233 "and the gods" smote the 2824 01:24:30,533 --> 01:24:33,233 Egyptians, but you don't. 2825 01:24:33,333 --> 01:24:36,033 You see "God" smote 2826 01:24:33,333 --> 01:24:36,033 the Egyptians. 2827 01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,900 And then, because of 2828 01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,900 the smiting, whatever 2829 01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,900 the smiting is, 2830 01:24:40,667 --> 01:24:42,800 foreigners, "people 2831 01:24:40,667 --> 01:24:42,800 of obscure race", 2832 01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:46,166 invade Egypt from the north 2833 01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:46,166 and they conquer the land, 2834 01:24:46,266 --> 01:24:48,867 "without striking a 2835 01:24:46,266 --> 01:24:48,867 blow" is the term. 2836 01:24:48,967 --> 01:24:51,834 Now why? Because God 2837 01:24:48,967 --> 01:24:51,834 smote the Egyptians. 2838 01:24:51,934 --> 01:24:53,967 Something had happened 2839 01:24:51,934 --> 01:24:53,967 to devastate Egypt, 2840 01:24:54,066 --> 01:24:56,700 which made them unable 2841 01:24:54,066 --> 01:24:56,700 to defend themselves 2842 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,200 and these marauding hordes 2843 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,200 took over the whole country. 2844 01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:00,967 And we call this 2845 01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:00,967 the Hyksos period 2846 01:25:01,066 --> 01:25:02,900 and they enslaved the Egyptians. 2847 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,500 But the point is they could 2848 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,500 have defended themselves, 2849 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,000 they had a mighty army, 2850 01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:10,000 except for the fact that God 2851 01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:10,000 had smitten the Egyptians. 2852 01:25:16,233 --> 01:25:17,433 - [Voiceover] The earlier 2853 01:25:16,233 --> 01:25:17,433 pattern of evidence 2854 01:25:17,533 --> 01:25:20,600 for the Judgment and 2855 01:25:17,533 --> 01:25:20,600 Exodus steps includes: 2856 01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:23,433 a Middle Kingdom papyrus 2857 01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:23,433 that describes events 2858 01:25:23,533 --> 01:25:26,467 remarkably similar to 2859 01:25:23,533 --> 01:25:26,467 the biblical plagues; 2860 01:25:27,367 --> 01:25:30,266 grave pits filled with 2861 01:25:27,367 --> 01:25:30,266 bodies, hastily buried; 2862 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,166 mass abandonment at 2863 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,166 Semitic sites in Egypt; 2864 01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:36,967 an Egyptian source, 2865 01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:36,967 outside the Bible, 2866 01:25:37,066 --> 01:25:40,533 stating that a powerful god 2867 01:25:37,066 --> 01:25:40,533 acted in Egypt's history, 2868 01:25:40,633 --> 01:25:42,033 delivering a deadly blow, 2869 01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:44,333 which led to an 2870 01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:44,333 invasion by foreigners; 2871 01:25:46,066 --> 01:25:48,467 and all this coinciding 2872 01:25:46,066 --> 01:25:48,467 with the only collapse 2873 01:25:48,567 --> 01:25:51,767 of Egyptian society 2874 01:25:48,567 --> 01:25:51,767 in 1,000 years. 2875 01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:55,467 - [David] You look 2876 01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:55,467 for a collapse in 2877 01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:55,467 Egyptian civilization 2878 01:25:55,567 --> 01:25:58,300 and that's where you'll 2879 01:25:55,567 --> 01:25:58,300 find Moses and the Exodus. 2880 01:26:02,433 --> 01:26:05,100 - [Tim] But what about the 2881 01:26:02,433 --> 01:26:05,100 final step of that sequence, 2882 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,333 the conquest of Canaan, 2883 01:26:07,433 --> 01:26:08,600 the land that had been promised 2884 01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:11,000 to Abraham and his descendants? 2885 01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,700 Would the earlier 2886 01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,700 pattern of evidence 2887 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,834 continue there as well? 2888 01:26:14,934 --> 01:26:19,567 (uplifting music) 2889 01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:28,467 - [Manis] The children 2890 01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:28,467 of Israel leave Egypt. 2891 01:26:28,567 --> 01:26:32,633 They travel to Mount Sinai 2892 01:26:28,567 --> 01:26:32,633 where they received God's law 2893 01:26:32,734 --> 01:26:35,033 and made a covenant 2894 01:26:32,734 --> 01:26:35,033 to be His people. 2895 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,100 Then, after 40 years of 2896 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,100 wandering in the wilderness, 2897 01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,367 Moses transferred his 2898 01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,367 authority to Joshua 2899 01:26:42,467 --> 01:26:45,166 and ascended the 2900 01:26:42,467 --> 01:26:45,166 heights of Mount Nebo, 2901 01:26:45,266 --> 01:26:47,066 and there he died. 2902 01:26:48,066 --> 01:26:50,200 The Israelites had 2903 01:26:48,066 --> 01:26:50,200 been waiting centuries 2904 01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:52,500 for the promise to be fulfilled, 2905 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,667 and now it was Joshua 2906 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,667 who would lead them 2907 01:26:55,767 --> 01:26:57,734 in their conquest of Canaan. 2908 01:27:01,533 --> 01:27:02,567 - [Voiceover] The land of Canaan 2909 01:27:02,667 --> 01:27:04,467 was very different from Egypt. 2910 01:27:04,567 --> 01:27:06,967 It was a land ruled by many 2911 01:27:04,567 --> 01:27:06,967 independent city-states 2912 01:27:07,066 --> 01:27:11,000 with names like Hazor, 2913 01:27:07,066 --> 01:27:11,000 Jericho, Hebron, and Arad. 2914 01:27:11,834 --> 01:27:13,633 The history of these 2915 01:27:11,834 --> 01:27:13,633 cities has been divided 2916 01:27:13,734 --> 01:27:17,100 into two major time periods: 2917 01:27:13,734 --> 01:27:17,100 the Middle Bronze Age, 2918 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,900 matching Egypt's Middle Kingdom, 2919 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,734 when they were thriving and 2920 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,734 fortified by high walls. 2921 01:27:22,667 --> 01:27:25,834 Then a sudden destruction and 2922 01:27:22,667 --> 01:27:25,834 burning came upon the land, 2923 01:27:25,934 --> 01:27:27,633 leaving those cities in 2924 01:27:25,934 --> 01:27:27,633 ruins and bringing in 2925 01:27:27,734 --> 01:27:30,567 a new period known as 2926 01:27:27,734 --> 01:27:30,567 the Late Bronze Age, 2927 01:27:30,667 --> 01:27:33,066 matching the time of 2928 01:27:30,667 --> 01:27:33,066 Egypt's New Kingdom. 2929 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:37,300 Archaeologist Norma Franklin 2930 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,800 represents a large group of 2931 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,800 scholars that sees no evidence 2932 01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:43,900 for a biblical conquest 2933 01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:43,900 of the Promised Land. 2934 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,934 - As an archaeologist, I 2935 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,934 hate to disappoint people, 2936 01:27:46,033 --> 01:27:49,567 but we have no evidence 2937 01:27:46,033 --> 01:27:49,567 for a single mass migration 2938 01:27:49,667 --> 01:27:53,233 of people from one country, 2939 01:27:49,667 --> 01:27:53,233 over a period of 40 years, 2940 01:27:53,333 --> 01:27:55,834 wandering and coming 2941 01:27:53,333 --> 01:27:55,834 into another country. 2942 01:27:56,667 --> 01:28:00,433 There is destruction, 2943 01:27:56,667 --> 01:28:00,433 amazing destructions. 2944 01:28:00,533 --> 01:28:03,166 None of them actually 2945 01:28:00,533 --> 01:28:03,166 fit one another. 2946 01:28:03,266 --> 01:28:08,300 They all happened within 100 2947 01:28:03,266 --> 01:28:08,300 years, but not overnight. 2948 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:09,867 Not what you'd expect in -- 2949 01:28:09,967 --> 01:28:11,500 You know, Joshua 2950 01:28:09,967 --> 01:28:11,500 didn't live that long, 2951 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,967 (laughs) if he existed, okay? 2952 01:28:14,066 --> 01:28:16,066 - First and 2953 01:28:14,066 --> 01:28:16,066 foremost, many places 2954 01:28:16,166 --> 01:28:19,200 which are mentioned in Joshua, 2955 01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:22,533 in the Cnquest story, 2956 01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:22,533 specifically mention, 2957 01:28:22,633 --> 01:28:24,900 you know, as major 2958 01:28:22,633 --> 01:28:24,900 places in Canaan 2959 01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,166 were excavated and no 2960 01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,166 evidence for a city 2961 01:28:29,266 --> 01:28:32,300 in the Late Bronze Age 2962 01:28:29,266 --> 01:28:32,300 has ever been found. 2963 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,433 And I'm speaking about 2964 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,433 major excavations. 2965 01:28:34,533 --> 01:28:36,300 And we are speaking 2966 01:28:34,533 --> 01:28:36,300 about many sites. 2967 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,767 It's systematic; it's 2968 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,767 not only a single site. 2969 01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:43,500 - [Tim] This is a serious 2970 01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:43,500 problem for the Conquest 2971 01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,066 if it really happened 2972 01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,066 in the Late Bronze Age. 2973 01:28:47,166 --> 01:28:49,066 But, again, what if it happened 2974 01:28:49,166 --> 01:28:51,767 in the earlier 2975 01:28:49,166 --> 01:28:51,767 Middle Bronze Age? 2976 01:28:51,867 --> 01:28:53,800 It seemed only logical to begin 2977 01:28:53,900 --> 01:28:56,367 by looking at the 2978 01:28:53,900 --> 01:28:56,367 key site of Jericho, 2979 01:28:56,467 --> 01:28:59,600 the first city the Israelites 2980 01:28:56,467 --> 01:28:59,600 are said to have destroyed. 2981 01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:03,000 And we know exactly 2982 01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:03,000 where that was. 2983 01:29:04,567 --> 01:29:08,166 - [Voiceover] Major 2984 01:29:04,567 --> 01:29:08,166 archaeological 2985 01:29:04,567 --> 01:29:08,166 excavations at Jericho 2986 01:29:08,266 --> 01:29:10,734 began with a German 2987 01:29:08,266 --> 01:29:10,734 team in the early 1900s, 2988 01:29:10,834 --> 01:29:12,533 led by Ernst Sellin. 2989 01:29:13,567 --> 01:29:15,000 This was followed 2990 01:29:13,567 --> 01:29:15,000 by a British team, 2991 01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:17,900 headed by John 2992 01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:17,900 Garstang, in the 1930s. 2993 01:29:18,934 --> 01:29:21,867 At the time of their digs, 2994 01:29:18,934 --> 01:29:21,867 both Sellin and Garstang 2995 01:29:21,967 --> 01:29:24,233 believed they had uncovered 2996 01:29:21,967 --> 01:29:24,233 a layer of destruction 2997 01:29:24,333 --> 01:29:26,633 that matched the biblical story. 2998 01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:30,166 However, things 2999 01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:30,166 took a dramatic turn 3000 01:29:30,266 --> 01:29:34,367 when Kathleen Kenyon dug 3001 01:29:30,266 --> 01:29:34,367 at Jericho in the 1950s. 3002 01:29:34,467 --> 01:29:36,800 She demonstrated that 3003 01:29:34,467 --> 01:29:36,800 there was no evidence 3004 01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:40,233 for a destruction of Jericho 3005 01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:40,233 matching the biblical account 3006 01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:43,767 because she dated the demise 3007 01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:43,767 of the city much earlier. 3008 01:29:45,767 --> 01:29:47,533 A wave of skepticism 3009 01:29:45,767 --> 01:29:47,533 began to sweep 3010 01:29:47,633 --> 01:29:50,100 across the field of archaeology. 3011 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,967 In an instant, Kenyon's 3012 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,967 discoveries at Jericho 3013 01:29:53,066 --> 01:29:56,300 had undermined the 3014 01:29:53,066 --> 01:29:56,300 entire Exodus story. 3015 01:29:57,967 --> 01:29:59,800 - [John] She was expecting 3016 01:29:57,967 --> 01:29:59,800 that if there was 3017 01:29:59,900 --> 01:30:01,600 any evidence there 3018 01:29:59,900 --> 01:30:01,600 at all it would be 3019 01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:03,834 in what we call 3020 01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:03,834 the Late Bronze Age 3021 01:30:03,934 --> 01:30:05,967 and it simply isn't there. 3022 01:30:06,066 --> 01:30:08,166 If the Israelites had 3023 01:30:06,066 --> 01:30:08,166 arrived in the 13th century, 3024 01:30:08,266 --> 01:30:09,867 they would have found 3025 01:30:08,266 --> 01:30:09,867 almost nobody there, 3026 01:30:09,967 --> 01:30:11,834 no walls to collapse. 3027 01:30:11,934 --> 01:30:14,934 It just wouldn't have fitted 3028 01:30:11,934 --> 01:30:14,934 the biblical narrative. 3029 01:30:15,033 --> 01:30:18,700 So her excavations 3030 01:30:15,033 --> 01:30:18,700 helped to compound 3031 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,100 this very negative view 3032 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,100 that was developing, 3033 01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,934 not just from Jericho, but 3034 01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,934 from other sites as well. 3035 01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:27,533 - [Tim] Is there a time 3036 01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:27,533 when Jericho was destroyed 3037 01:30:28,266 --> 01:30:30,266 where the walls fell 3038 01:30:28,266 --> 01:30:30,266 down or it was burned? 3039 01:30:30,367 --> 01:30:31,300 - I don't think so. 3040 01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,166 I don't think we have evidence, 3041 01:30:33,266 --> 01:30:37,266 this kind of evidence 3042 01:30:33,266 --> 01:30:37,266 in the case of Jericho. 3043 01:30:37,367 --> 01:30:40,333 And I don't think that we can 3044 01:30:37,367 --> 01:30:40,333 really look for this evidence. 3045 01:30:40,433 --> 01:30:44,667 We are very much past this 3046 01:30:40,433 --> 01:30:44,667 phase of archeological research. 3047 01:30:44,767 --> 01:30:47,734 - [Tim] But David Rohl 3048 01:30:44,767 --> 01:30:47,734 sees things differently. 3049 01:30:47,834 --> 01:30:49,900 - If people are telling us 3050 01:30:47,834 --> 01:30:49,900 that there was no Jericho 3051 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,500 at the time that Joshua 3052 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,500 conquered the Promise Land 3053 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,567 and therefore Joshua 3054 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,567 is a piece of fiction 3055 01:30:54,667 --> 01:30:56,400 and therefore the Conquest 3056 01:30:54,667 --> 01:30:56,400 is a piece of fiction 3057 01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:59,567 and then probably Exodus is 3058 01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:59,567 a piece of fiction as well, 3059 01:30:59,667 --> 01:31:02,000 if that's the case, why don't 3060 01:30:59,667 --> 01:31:02,000 we ask the simple question, 3061 01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:03,767 "Well, when was Jericho around? 3062 01:31:03,867 --> 01:31:05,934 "When was Jericho destroyed?" 3063 01:31:06,033 --> 01:31:07,900 and start from 3064 01:31:06,033 --> 01:31:07,900 that point of view. 3065 01:31:10,533 --> 01:31:11,867 - [Manis] The Conquest began 3066 01:31:11,967 --> 01:31:14,600 with the Israelites 3067 01:31:11,967 --> 01:31:14,600 crossing the Jordan River. 3068 01:31:15,567 --> 01:31:17,700 Joshua sent men to spy out 3069 01:31:18,467 --> 01:31:20,867 the massively walled 3070 01:31:18,467 --> 01:31:20,867 city of Jericho, 3071 01:31:20,967 --> 01:31:24,033 and there they met a 3072 01:31:20,967 --> 01:31:24,033 harlot named Rahab, 3073 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,300 who reported that all 3074 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,300 in the land had heard 3075 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,567 what God had done 3076 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,567 for the Israelites 3077 01:31:30,667 --> 01:31:32,800 and they were terrified. 3078 01:31:32,900 --> 01:31:37,166 Rahab hid the spies and aided 3079 01:31:32,900 --> 01:31:37,166 their escape to the mountains. 3080 01:31:39,867 --> 01:31:42,734 - What evidence do 3081 01:31:39,867 --> 01:31:42,734 you see matching the 3082 01:31:39,867 --> 01:31:42,734 conquest at Jericho? 3083 01:31:42,834 --> 01:31:44,100 - [Bryant] First 3084 01:31:42,834 --> 01:31:44,100 of all, we're told 3085 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,834 that Jericho was fortified. 3086 01:31:46,934 --> 01:31:49,400 When the archaeologists 3087 01:31:46,934 --> 01:31:49,400 dug the city, 3088 01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:50,934 particularly Kathleen Kenyon, 3089 01:31:51,033 --> 01:31:52,900 when she did her 3090 01:31:51,033 --> 01:31:52,900 work in the '50s, 3091 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,100 discovered that the tell 3092 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,100 that the city's built on 3093 01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,800 was surrounded by a 3094 01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,800 great earthen rampart. 3095 01:32:00,667 --> 01:32:02,700 - [Voiceover] Excavators 3096 01:32:00,667 --> 01:32:02,700 found that Jericho 3097 01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,033 was protected by a 3098 01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,033 brilliant defensive system. 3099 01:32:06,133 --> 01:32:08,266 At its base was a 3100 01:32:06,133 --> 01:32:08,266 stone retaining wall 3101 01:32:08,367 --> 01:32:12,033 more than 15 feet high, with 3102 01:32:08,367 --> 01:32:12,033 a defensive extension wall 3103 01:32:12,133 --> 01:32:14,567 of mud bricks 3104 01:32:12,133 --> 01:32:14,567 rising higher still. 3105 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,834 Beyond this was the 3106 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,834 rampart, a steep slope 3107 01:32:19,934 --> 01:32:22,767 covered with a slick 3108 01:32:19,934 --> 01:32:22,767 surface of white plaster, 3109 01:32:22,867 --> 01:32:24,600 where attackers would 3110 01:32:22,867 --> 01:32:24,600 have been exposed 3111 01:32:24,700 --> 01:32:27,133 to arrows and sling 3112 01:32:24,700 --> 01:32:27,133 stones from above. 3113 01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:31,233 At the top of this rampart 3114 01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:31,233 was the main city wall, 3115 01:32:31,333 --> 01:32:33,133 also made of mud-brick, 3116 01:32:33,233 --> 01:32:37,266 this one more than 25 feet 3117 01:32:33,233 --> 01:32:37,266 high and 10 feet thick. 3118 01:32:38,633 --> 01:32:40,066 - [Manis] Imagine the dread 3119 01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:43,800 and the desperate panic 3120 01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:43,800 of the people of Jericho. 3121 01:32:44,834 --> 01:32:47,934 Day after day, for six 3122 01:32:44,834 --> 01:32:47,934 days, the people of Israel 3123 01:32:48,033 --> 01:32:51,667 are walking around their city 3124 01:32:48,033 --> 01:32:51,667 with the Ark of the Covenant 3125 01:32:52,433 --> 01:32:54,834 and the sounding of ram's horns. 3126 01:32:54,934 --> 01:32:56,300 Then, on the seventh day, 3127 01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,533 they encircle the 3128 01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,533 city seven times, 3129 01:32:58,633 --> 01:33:00,567 and the priests give a 3130 01:32:58,633 --> 01:33:00,567 long blast on their horns. 3131 01:33:00,667 --> 01:33:02,300 (horns blaring) 3132 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,734 The people let loose 3133 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,734 with a mighty shout. 3134 01:33:04,834 --> 01:33:07,300 (loud shouting 3135 01:33:04,834 --> 01:33:07,300 and horns blaring) 3136 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,633 The walls come tumbling down, 3137 01:33:09,734 --> 01:33:12,567 (walls rumble and crash) 3138 01:33:22,133 --> 01:33:23,533 (people shouting) 3139 01:33:23,633 --> 01:33:26,133 allowing the Israelites 3140 01:33:23,633 --> 01:33:26,133 to climb up into the city, 3141 01:33:26,233 --> 01:33:28,266 taking it and commencing 3142 01:33:28,367 --> 01:33:30,600 the conquering of 3143 01:33:28,367 --> 01:33:30,600 the land of Israel. 3144 01:33:34,266 --> 01:33:36,467 - [Bryant] Well, when 3145 01:33:34,266 --> 01:33:36,467 the city met its end, 3146 01:33:36,567 --> 01:33:39,800 these mud brick walls collapsed 3147 01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:42,834 and they actually fell down 3148 01:33:42,934 --> 01:33:46,033 to the base of the 3149 01:33:42,934 --> 01:33:46,033 stone retaining wall. 3150 01:33:46,133 --> 01:33:49,166 Kenyon describes it very clearly 3151 01:33:49,266 --> 01:33:52,033 and in detail in her 3152 01:33:49,266 --> 01:33:52,033 excavation report. 3153 01:33:52,133 --> 01:33:55,900 And then we're told they 3154 01:33:52,133 --> 01:33:55,900 set the city on fire, 3155 01:33:56,767 --> 01:33:58,867 and that's exactly what we find: 3156 01:33:58,967 --> 01:34:01,834 Jericho was massively 3157 01:33:58,967 --> 01:34:01,834 destroyed by fire. 3158 01:34:02,867 --> 01:34:07,133 Kenyon said it was very 3159 01:34:02,867 --> 01:34:07,133 clear that within the city, 3160 01:34:07,233 --> 01:34:10,900 the walls of the buildings 3161 01:34:07,233 --> 01:34:10,900 had fallen as well 3162 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,633 and she says that the walls 3163 01:34:14,734 --> 01:34:17,600 fell before the fire. 3164 01:34:18,734 --> 01:34:22,300 And so we have the sequence 3165 01:34:18,734 --> 01:34:22,300 that we read in the Bible: 3166 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,834 first the fallen walls, 3167 01:34:24,934 --> 01:34:29,333 and then the city being set 3168 01:34:24,934 --> 01:34:29,333 on fire by the Israelites. 3169 01:34:32,266 --> 01:34:33,934 - [Voiceover] Excavations 3170 01:34:32,266 --> 01:34:33,934 at the site uncovered 3171 01:34:34,033 --> 01:34:37,066 clear evidence for a 3172 01:34:34,033 --> 01:34:37,066 massive destruction by fire 3173 01:34:37,166 --> 01:34:40,400 with a very thick burn layer 3174 01:34:37,166 --> 01:34:40,400 of extremely high temperatures. 3175 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,266 This caused Kenyon to 3176 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,266 attribute the burning 3177 01:34:43,367 --> 01:34:45,433 to an enemy attack and not fires 3178 01:34:45,533 --> 01:34:47,767 that would result solely 3179 01:34:45,533 --> 01:34:47,767 from an earthquake. 3180 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,767 - She claimed that 3181 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,767 the city was destroyed 3182 01:34:52,667 --> 01:34:56,567 around 1550 BC by the Egyptians. 3183 01:34:56,667 --> 01:34:58,767 Well, there's absolutely no 3184 01:34:56,667 --> 01:34:58,767 evidence that the Egyptians 3185 01:34:58,867 --> 01:35:02,633 were ever in the Jordan 3186 01:34:58,867 --> 01:35:02,633 Valley at this time period. 3187 01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,533 - [Tim] So because Kenyon dated 3188 01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,533 the destruction of Jericho 3189 01:35:06,633 --> 01:35:10,600 150 years before the Israelites 3190 01:35:06,633 --> 01:35:10,600 were supposed to be there, 3191 01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:12,133 she made no connection between 3192 01:35:12,233 --> 01:35:14,433 the destruction and 3193 01:35:12,233 --> 01:35:14,433 the biblical account. 3194 01:35:15,166 --> 01:35:17,133 But, once again, this date fits 3195 01:35:17,233 --> 01:35:19,266 the earlier pattern 3196 01:35:17,233 --> 01:35:19,266 I'd been seeing. 3197 01:35:20,300 --> 01:35:24,300 - Within the city, a very 3198 01:35:20,300 --> 01:35:24,300 unique discovery was made. 3199 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,934 Both Garstang and Kenyon found 3200 01:35:27,033 --> 01:35:29,500 in the houses that 3201 01:35:27,033 --> 01:35:29,500 they excavated 3202 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,834 many jars, full of grain, 3203 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,834 that were stored there. 3204 01:35:33,934 --> 01:35:36,400 - [John] The store jars in 3205 01:35:33,934 --> 01:35:36,400 the city were pretty full. 3206 01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:37,967 That suggests the harvest 3207 01:35:38,066 --> 01:35:40,567 had only recently 3208 01:35:38,066 --> 01:35:40,567 been gathered in. 3209 01:35:40,667 --> 01:35:43,066 And the details in 3210 01:35:40,667 --> 01:35:43,066 the biblical account 3211 01:35:43,166 --> 01:35:46,667 point to an event that happened 3212 01:35:43,166 --> 01:35:46,667 sometime in the spring. 3213 01:35:46,767 --> 01:35:48,300 And, down there in 3214 01:35:46,767 --> 01:35:48,300 the Jordan valley, 3215 01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,133 spring is when the 3216 01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,133 harvest was gathered in, 3217 01:35:50,233 --> 01:35:51,934 the grain harvest. 3218 01:35:52,033 --> 01:35:54,400 - When the Israelites 3219 01:35:52,033 --> 01:35:54,400 crossed the Jordan, 3220 01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:57,800 the first thing they did 3221 01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:57,800 was celebrate Passover. 3222 01:35:57,900 --> 01:35:59,266 Well, when is Passover? 3223 01:35:59,367 --> 01:36:01,100 Again, the spring of the year. 3224 01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:02,967 - [Voiceover] The full 3225 01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:02,967 jars also indicate 3226 01:36:03,066 --> 01:36:06,467 that if this was a 3227 01:36:03,066 --> 01:36:06,467 siege, it was very short, 3228 01:36:06,567 --> 01:36:10,300 unusual for a strong fortified 3229 01:36:06,567 --> 01:36:10,300 city such as Jericho. 3230 01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,166 - And that matches 3231 01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,166 the biblical account 3232 01:36:13,266 --> 01:36:16,033 because the siege 3233 01:36:13,266 --> 01:36:16,033 was only seven days, 3234 01:36:16,133 --> 01:36:19,033 otherwise the people 3235 01:36:16,133 --> 01:36:19,033 inside would have consumed 3236 01:36:19,133 --> 01:36:22,400 a lot of that grain if it 3237 01:36:19,133 --> 01:36:22,400 dragged out for months. 3238 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,000 - Was the grain found 3239 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,000 all over the city? 3240 01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:26,633 - Yes. In every house 3241 01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:26,633 that was excavated 3242 01:36:26,734 --> 01:36:29,033 they found jars of grain. 3243 01:36:30,567 --> 01:36:32,300 - [Voiceover] There was 3244 01:36:30,567 --> 01:36:32,300 one other intriguing detail 3245 01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,934 at Jericho that fits the 3246 01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,934 Bible remarkably well. 3247 01:36:36,033 --> 01:36:38,600 It had to do with the 3248 01:36:36,033 --> 01:36:38,600 promise made to Rahab. 3249 01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,867 - She actually lived 3250 01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,867 in the city wall, 3251 01:36:41,967 --> 01:36:44,133 and after hiding the 3252 01:36:41,967 --> 01:36:44,133 spies, they promised her 3253 01:36:44,233 --> 01:36:46,367 that she and her family 3254 01:36:44,233 --> 01:36:46,367 would be protected 3255 01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:49,934 when they attacked the city, 3256 01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:49,934 and they kept their promise. 3257 01:36:50,033 --> 01:36:52,700 She had marked her home 3258 01:36:50,033 --> 01:36:52,700 with a scarlet cord, 3259 01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:54,633 which she hung out the window. 3260 01:36:55,867 --> 01:36:59,300 - [Voiceover] But if her house 3261 01:36:55,867 --> 01:36:59,300 was built into the city wall, 3262 01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,066 how could it have survived? 3263 01:37:03,266 --> 01:37:06,133 - [Tim] I came across the 3264 01:37:03,266 --> 01:37:06,133 actual archaeological report 3265 01:37:06,233 --> 01:37:08,567 that the German 3266 01:37:06,233 --> 01:37:08,567 excavator of Jericho, 3267 01:37:08,667 --> 01:37:11,266 Ernst Sellin, had 3268 01:37:08,667 --> 01:37:11,266 published in 1913. 3269 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,066 He was the first to conduct a 3270 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,066 major excavation of the site, 3271 01:37:16,166 --> 01:37:19,033 and I could see that 3272 01:37:16,166 --> 01:37:19,033 his work was impressive, 3273 01:37:19,133 --> 01:37:21,100 but now seemed to 3274 01:37:19,133 --> 01:37:21,100 have been forgotten. 3275 01:37:23,567 --> 01:37:26,033 Here were detailed 3276 01:37:23,567 --> 01:37:26,033 plans and photographs, 3277 01:37:26,133 --> 01:37:27,934 including one part of the site, 3278 01:37:28,033 --> 01:37:31,633 which echoed the Rahab 3279 01:37:28,033 --> 01:37:31,633 story in an unexpected way. 3280 01:37:32,967 --> 01:37:36,600 - The Germans found that 3281 01:37:32,967 --> 01:37:36,600 in this one short stretch 3282 01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:39,000 on the north side of the city, 3283 01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:42,233 there were houses 3284 01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:42,233 built on the rampart, 3285 01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:46,133 between the lower city wall 3286 01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:46,133 and the upper city wall, 3287 01:37:46,233 --> 01:37:48,166 and some of those 3288 01:37:46,233 --> 01:37:48,166 houses were built 3289 01:37:48,266 --> 01:37:51,433 right up against 3290 01:37:48,266 --> 01:37:51,433 the lower city wall. 3291 01:37:52,533 --> 01:37:57,400 They found that the city wall 3292 01:37:52,533 --> 01:37:57,400 did not fall in this area. 3293 01:37:58,367 --> 01:38:01,967 So that provides an 3294 01:37:58,367 --> 01:38:01,967 explanation for how the spies 3295 01:38:02,066 --> 01:38:04,000 could have saved 3296 01:38:02,066 --> 01:38:04,000 Rahab and her family 3297 01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:05,967 because God brought 3298 01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:05,967 the wall down 3299 01:38:06,066 --> 01:38:09,100 everywhere else except 3300 01:38:06,066 --> 01:38:09,100 where her house was, 3301 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,233 and we have archaeological 3302 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,233 evidence to back that up. 3303 01:38:12,967 --> 01:38:15,233 - [Tim] What if people say, 3304 01:38:12,967 --> 01:38:15,233 "Well, you're biased."? 3305 01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:17,700 - I think everybody in 3306 01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:17,700 the field is biased, 3307 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,800 (laughs softly) 3308 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,800 one way or another. 3309 01:38:19,900 --> 01:38:21,567 I admit my bias. 3310 01:38:21,667 --> 01:38:24,333 However, I cannot 3311 01:38:21,667 --> 01:38:24,333 make up the evidence. 3312 01:38:24,433 --> 01:38:26,567 I cannot plant it in the ground. 3313 01:38:26,667 --> 01:38:29,600 I have analyzed it and 3314 01:38:26,667 --> 01:38:29,600 compared it to the Bible 3315 01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:33,000 and I see, wow, it 3316 01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:33,000 matches exactly. 3317 01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:35,700 That's science: look 3318 01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:35,700 at your evidence 3319 01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,300 and come to a conclusion 3320 01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,300 based on the evidence. 3321 01:38:44,834 --> 01:38:46,900 - [Voiceover] Archaeologists 3322 01:38:44,834 --> 01:38:46,900 have uncovered: 3323 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,934 a city with high fortification 3324 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,934 walls that fell down; 3325 01:38:51,033 --> 01:38:52,900 evidence that the 3326 01:38:51,033 --> 01:38:52,900 city was intentionally 3327 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,700 burned after the collapse; 3328 01:38:55,734 --> 01:38:57,767 storage jars filled 3329 01:38:55,734 --> 01:38:57,767 with charred grain, 3330 01:38:57,867 --> 01:39:00,367 evidence of a short 3331 01:38:57,867 --> 01:39:00,367 siege in springtime; 3332 01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:05,100 and a section of 3333 01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:05,100 houses within the wall, 3334 01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:09,233 miraculously preserved, just 3335 01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:09,233 as in the biblical account. 3336 01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:12,367 According to the 3337 01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:12,367 biblical account, 3338 01:39:12,467 --> 01:39:14,567 Joshua spoke a 3339 01:39:12,467 --> 01:39:14,567 curse against anyone 3340 01:39:14,667 --> 01:39:17,033 who would rebuild 3341 01:39:14,667 --> 01:39:17,033 the city of Jericho, 3342 01:39:17,867 --> 01:39:20,633 and the archaeology shows 3343 01:39:17,867 --> 01:39:20,633 that, after the destruction, 3344 01:39:20,734 --> 01:39:23,867 the city of Jericho was indeed 3345 01:39:20,734 --> 01:39:23,867 abandoned for centuries. 3346 01:39:26,633 --> 01:39:28,367 But, of course, 3347 01:39:26,633 --> 01:39:28,367 this is all happens 3348 01:39:28,467 --> 01:39:31,333 in the wrong time in the 3349 01:39:28,467 --> 01:39:31,333 view of most scholars. 3350 01:39:31,433 --> 01:39:32,734 Bryant Wood believes that Kenyon 3351 01:39:32,834 --> 01:39:34,667 misdated the pottery at Jericho, 3352 01:39:34,767 --> 01:39:36,700 resulting in a wrong 3353 01:39:34,767 --> 01:39:36,700 destruction date. 3354 01:39:37,767 --> 01:39:39,734 He, along with Charles 3355 01:39:37,767 --> 01:39:39,734 Aling, believed that 3356 01:39:39,834 --> 01:39:42,867 the Conquest occurred 3357 01:39:39,834 --> 01:39:42,867 around 1400 BC, 3358 01:39:42,967 --> 01:39:45,734 using the conventional 3359 01:39:42,967 --> 01:39:45,734 dates for Egypt and Canaan. 3360 01:39:46,934 --> 01:39:51,300 However, David Rohl and John 3361 01:39:46,934 --> 01:39:51,300 Bimson have a different idea. 3362 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,266 They propose that Kenyon came 3363 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,266 to a wrong destruction date 3364 01:39:54,367 --> 01:39:56,533 at Jericho because 3365 01:39:54,367 --> 01:39:56,533 the dates assigned 3366 01:39:56,633 --> 01:39:59,667 to the Middle Bronze 3367 01:39:56,633 --> 01:39:59,667 Age are not correct 3368 01:39:59,767 --> 01:40:02,900 and these dates for history 3369 01:39:59,767 --> 01:40:02,900 need a major adjustment. 3370 01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:07,066 Regardless, all these 3371 01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:07,066 scholars agree that Jericho 3372 01:40:07,166 --> 01:40:09,066 was destroyed in a 3373 01:40:07,166 --> 01:40:09,066 manner that matches 3374 01:40:09,166 --> 01:40:11,934 the story of Joshua 3375 01:40:09,166 --> 01:40:11,934 and the Israelites. 3376 01:40:16,767 --> 01:40:19,900 But there's more to the 3377 01:40:16,767 --> 01:40:19,900 conquest than just Jericho. 3378 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,767 Spies had reported that 3379 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,767 Canaan was a beautiful land, 3380 01:40:23,867 --> 01:40:26,533 flowing with milk and honey. 3381 01:40:26,633 --> 01:40:29,633 But it was also filled with 3382 01:40:26,633 --> 01:40:29,633 great, fortified cities 3383 01:40:29,734 --> 01:40:32,333 that had walls 3384 01:40:29,734 --> 01:40:32,333 reaching up to heaven. 3385 01:40:32,433 --> 01:40:36,166 One by one, they 3386 01:40:32,433 --> 01:40:36,166 would fall to Joshua. 3387 01:40:36,266 --> 01:40:39,433 (loud shouting, metals clashing) 3388 01:40:47,767 --> 01:40:49,734 - [Manis] Then 3389 01:40:47,767 --> 01:40:49,734 Joshua turned north 3390 01:40:49,834 --> 01:40:51,700 and headed for 3391 01:40:49,834 --> 01:40:51,700 the city of Hazor. 3392 01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:54,467 Jabin, king of Hazor, 3393 01:40:54,567 --> 01:40:57,266 gathered all the kings of 3394 01:40:54,567 --> 01:40:57,266 the region against Israel. 3395 01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:02,166 Joshua captured Hazor and 3396 01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:02,166 struck its king with the sword 3397 01:41:02,266 --> 01:41:05,734 and Joshua destroyed 3398 01:41:02,266 --> 01:41:05,734 Hazor by fire. 3399 01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:09,367 - [Voiceover] Israeli 3400 01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:09,367 archaeologists at Hazor 3401 01:41:09,467 --> 01:41:10,834 found a massive burn layer 3402 01:41:10,934 --> 01:41:13,367 from the same time as 3403 01:41:10,934 --> 01:41:13,367 Jericho's destruction. 3404 01:41:14,567 --> 01:41:16,433 They also found something else. 3405 01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:19,567 - We found tablets in the 3406 01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:19,567 Middle Bronze Age palace 3407 01:41:19,667 --> 01:41:21,400 belonging to a 3408 01:41:19,667 --> 01:41:21,400 king called Jabin, 3409 01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:23,133 and that's the name of 3410 01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:23,133 the king that Joshua 3411 01:41:23,233 --> 01:41:27,133 actually stuck his 3412 01:41:23,233 --> 01:41:27,133 sword into in the story. 3413 01:41:27,233 --> 01:41:29,567 - [Voiceover] This is 3414 01:41:27,233 --> 01:41:29,567 the cuneiform tablet 3415 01:41:29,667 --> 01:41:31,266 containing the name of Jabin, 3416 01:41:31,367 --> 01:41:34,800 found in remains of the 3417 01:41:31,367 --> 01:41:34,800 palace in ancient Hazor. 3418 01:41:34,900 --> 01:41:35,967 - [Tim] So you have a connection 3419 01:41:36,066 --> 01:41:38,066 between the Bible story 3420 01:41:36,066 --> 01:41:38,066 and these tablets? 3421 01:41:38,166 --> 01:41:40,133 - We have a name 3422 01:41:38,166 --> 01:41:40,133 that's identical. 3423 01:41:40,233 --> 01:41:42,300 We have a tablet coming 3424 01:41:40,233 --> 01:41:42,300 out of the ground 3425 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,867 with the name Jabin on it, 3426 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,867 and in the story of Joshua, 3427 01:41:44,967 --> 01:41:48,400 Joshua killed King 3428 01:41:44,967 --> 01:41:48,400 Jabin of Hazor. - Wow. 3429 01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,066 - [Voiceover] But, when 3430 01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,066 looking for the Conquest 3431 01:41:55,166 --> 01:41:57,333 in the expected time period, 3432 01:41:57,433 --> 01:41:59,834 archaeologists have 3433 01:41:57,433 --> 01:41:59,834 found no evidence. 3434 01:42:00,834 --> 01:42:03,533 In fact, many of these 3435 01:42:00,834 --> 01:42:03,533 sites were not even occupied 3436 01:42:03,633 --> 01:42:06,400 throughout the entire 3437 01:42:03,633 --> 01:42:06,400 Late Bronze Age; 3438 01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:09,066 no high walls; no 3439 01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:09,066 massive destructions; 3440 01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:12,800 only a series of 3441 01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:12,800 burned-out and empty ruins. 3442 01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:17,633 This has been a key factor 3443 01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:17,633 in the current skepticism 3444 01:42:17,734 --> 01:42:20,467 over the biblical 3445 01:42:17,734 --> 01:42:20,467 account of the Conquest. 3446 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,767 - [Tim] Again, maybe they've 3447 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,767 been looking in the wrong time 3448 01:42:25,867 --> 01:42:28,767 for evidence of the 3449 01:42:25,867 --> 01:42:28,767 Israelites entering Canaan, 3450 01:42:28,867 --> 01:42:31,700 because when you look earlier 3451 01:42:28,867 --> 01:42:31,700 in the Middle Bronze Age, 3452 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:33,800 all these cities were occupied, 3453 01:42:33,900 --> 01:42:36,333 and they were guarded 3454 01:42:33,900 --> 01:42:36,333 by high walls, 3455 01:42:36,433 --> 01:42:39,500 and, amazingly, they all 3456 01:42:36,433 --> 01:42:39,500 suffered major destructions 3457 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,100 in the same short period, just 3458 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,100 as described in the Bible. 3459 01:42:45,500 --> 01:42:47,567 - When you put those 3460 01:42:45,500 --> 01:42:47,567 cities side by side, 3461 01:42:48,433 --> 01:42:50,400 the biblical account 3462 01:42:48,433 --> 01:42:50,400 and the archaeology 3463 01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:52,266 match extremely well. 3464 01:42:52,367 --> 01:42:55,700 I think we have enough 3465 01:42:52,367 --> 01:42:55,700 destroyed and abandoned cities 3466 01:42:56,433 --> 01:42:59,567 to say this fits the 3467 01:42:56,433 --> 01:42:59,567 sequence of events 3468 01:42:59,667 --> 01:43:01,233 the Bible is describing. 3469 01:43:01,333 --> 01:43:02,900 There's a high probability 3470 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,200 that we're looking here 3471 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,200 at Joshua's Conquest. 3472 01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:08,300 - [David] The whole 3473 01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:08,300 thing, from the beginning 3474 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,333 of the sojourn in 3475 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,333 Egypt, to slavery, 3476 01:43:11,433 --> 01:43:13,900 Moses and the Exodus, the 3477 01:43:11,433 --> 01:43:13,900 Conquest of the Promised Land 3478 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,967 is all there in one nice neat 3479 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,967 line, but it's way too early. 3480 01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:22,066 - [Voiceover] Rohl, Bimson 3481 01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:22,066 and others suggest that 3482 01:43:22,166 --> 01:43:24,400 this problem didn't 3483 01:43:22,166 --> 01:43:24,400 start with the Bible, 3484 01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:26,667 it began with Egypt. 3485 01:43:26,767 --> 01:43:28,533 They propose that early scholars 3486 01:43:28,633 --> 01:43:31,000 developed its 3487 01:43:28,633 --> 01:43:31,000 dating incorrectly, 3488 01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:33,166 and that new 3489 01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:33,166 information requires 3490 01:43:33,266 --> 01:43:36,633 that the events of Egypt's 3491 01:43:33,266 --> 01:43:36,633 history be shifted forward 3492 01:43:36,734 --> 01:43:38,900 on the timeline by centuries. 3493 01:43:39,734 --> 01:43:41,400 - [David] And all of 3494 01:43:39,734 --> 01:43:41,400 a sudden, these things 3495 01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:43,467 that are too early 3496 01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:43,467 become contemporary 3497 01:43:43,567 --> 01:43:45,200 with the events in 3498 01:43:43,567 --> 01:43:45,200 the Old Testament. 3499 01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:47,567 They sync up again. 3500 01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:47,567 Everything links together. 3501 01:43:48,367 --> 01:43:51,467 - [Tim] I was so excited to 3502 01:43:48,367 --> 01:43:51,467 hear of this possibility. 3503 01:43:51,567 --> 01:43:53,433 It would explain 3504 01:43:51,567 --> 01:43:53,433 why all the evidence 3505 01:43:53,533 --> 01:43:56,133 has been consistently earlier. 3506 01:43:56,233 --> 01:43:58,934 But could the history 3507 01:43:56,233 --> 01:43:58,934 scholars created for Egypt 3508 01:43:59,033 --> 01:44:00,934 really be off by centuries? 3509 01:44:01,834 --> 01:44:05,600 - [James] I'm very much against 3510 01:44:01,834 --> 01:44:05,600 chronological revisionism. 3511 01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:07,600 Very good, very 3512 01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:07,600 competent historians 3513 01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:11,266 have been working for 3514 01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:11,266 decades and decades 3515 01:44:11,367 --> 01:44:14,600 on Egyptian chronology and 3516 01:44:11,367 --> 01:44:14,600 Near Eastern chronology. 3517 01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:16,166 There's still more 3518 01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:16,166 work to be done, 3519 01:44:16,266 --> 01:44:20,533 but I don't see a possibility 3520 01:44:16,266 --> 01:44:20,533 of moving things centuries. 3521 01:44:20,633 --> 01:44:22,667 - I'm not into this 3522 01:44:20,633 --> 01:44:22,667 business at all, 3523 01:44:22,767 --> 01:44:25,367 and I think that we 3524 01:44:22,767 --> 01:44:25,367 know enough to say that 3525 01:44:25,467 --> 01:44:27,600 we may be wrong 10 years 3526 01:44:25,467 --> 01:44:27,600 here and 10 years there, 3527 01:44:27,700 --> 01:44:31,500 but there's no way to 3528 01:44:27,700 --> 01:44:31,500 change, to shift centuries. 3529 01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,800 I mean, forget it. I think 3530 01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,800 that we are on solid ground, 3531 01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:37,133 so there's no need to look 3532 01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:37,133 for different centuries. 3533 01:44:38,834 --> 01:44:43,633 (somber music) 3534 01:44:44,467 --> 01:44:46,834 - [Tim] What was I 3535 01:44:44,467 --> 01:44:46,834 supposed to do now? 3536 01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:51,200 Hoffmeier and Finkelstien 3537 01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:51,200 represent mainstream opinion, 3538 01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:53,266 and I can't simply ignore it. 3539 01:44:55,967 --> 01:44:58,667 The fact is, the 3540 01:44:55,967 --> 01:44:58,667 majority of scholars, 3541 01:44:58,767 --> 01:45:01,767 even believers in the Bible, 3542 01:44:58,767 --> 01:45:01,767 won't allow the evidence 3543 01:45:01,867 --> 01:45:04,266 I've seen to be 3544 01:45:01,867 --> 01:45:04,266 connected to the Exodus. 3545 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,533 It's just too early. 3546 01:45:07,233 --> 01:45:09,400 This is the biggest 3547 01:45:07,233 --> 01:45:09,400 giant of all, 3548 01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:11,934 standing in the way of 3549 01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:11,934 solving this problem. 3550 01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,033 But the biblical 3551 01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,033 pattern was so strong 3552 01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:18,033 that I just couldn't let it go. 3553 01:45:24,633 --> 01:45:26,500 - [Voiceover] Mahoney's 3554 01:45:24,633 --> 01:45:26,500 researchers uncovered a lead 3555 01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:28,700 that led him to 3556 01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:28,700 Oxford University. 3557 01:45:29,734 --> 01:45:32,567 On St John's Street is 3558 01:45:29,734 --> 01:45:32,567 the Griffith Institute, 3559 01:45:32,667 --> 01:45:33,900 one of the greatest storehouses 3560 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,433 of Egyptological 3561 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,433 documents in the world. 3562 01:45:38,166 --> 01:45:39,367 He was here to 3563 01:45:38,166 --> 01:45:39,367 review the writings 3564 01:45:39,467 --> 01:45:41,867 of the late Sir Alan Gardiner, 3565 01:45:41,967 --> 01:45:44,400 perhaps the greatest specialist 3566 01:45:41,967 --> 01:45:44,400 in reading hieroglyphs 3567 01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:47,633 in the 20th century 3568 01:45:44,500 --> 01:45:47,633 and he had a great hand 3569 01:45:47,734 --> 01:45:49,800 in uncovering what 3570 01:45:47,734 --> 01:45:49,800 we know today. 3571 01:45:49,900 --> 01:45:54,600 (bright music) 3572 01:45:56,467 --> 01:45:59,166 - [Tim] I was moved as I looked 3573 01:45:56,467 --> 01:45:59,166 through his personal notes. 3574 01:46:00,133 --> 01:46:02,600 In some ways, I was 3575 01:46:00,133 --> 01:46:02,600 following a path 3576 01:46:02,700 --> 01:46:04,867 that he had helped to clear. 3577 01:46:05,934 --> 01:46:09,300 After a lifetime of searching, 3578 01:46:05,934 --> 01:46:09,300 Gardiner wrote something 3579 01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:13,333 that directly impacted the 3580 01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:13,333 question I was dealing with. 3581 01:46:13,433 --> 01:46:16,133 - [Sir Alan] It must never 3582 01:46:13,433 --> 01:46:16,133 be forgotten that we are 3583 01:46:16,233 --> 01:46:20,333 dealing with a civilization 3584 01:46:16,233 --> 01:46:20,333 thousands of years old 3585 01:46:20,433 --> 01:46:23,567 and one of which only tiny 3586 01:46:20,433 --> 01:46:23,567 remnants have survived. 3587 01:46:24,367 --> 01:46:27,100 What is proudly advertised 3588 01:46:24,367 --> 01:46:27,100 as Egyptian history 3589 01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,667 is merely a collection 3590 01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,667 of rags and tatters. 3591 01:46:29,767 --> 01:46:34,567 (bright music) 3592 01:46:37,066 --> 01:46:40,100 - [Tim] If all we have 3593 01:46:37,066 --> 01:46:40,100 are rags and tatters, 3594 01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,567 how sure can we be 3595 01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,567 about the dates? 3596 01:46:45,266 --> 01:46:47,734 Alan Gardiner said that what 3597 01:46:45,266 --> 01:46:47,734 we have is rags and tatters. 3598 01:46:47,834 --> 01:46:50,633 Is that still true today or 3599 01:46:47,834 --> 01:46:50,633 do you think that's changed? 3600 01:46:50,734 --> 01:46:52,700 - No, I think that 3601 01:46:50,734 --> 01:46:52,700 basically is true. 3602 01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,066 What's interesting about 3603 01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,066 the source material 3604 01:46:55,166 --> 01:46:58,734 from ancient Egypt, though, 3605 01:46:55,166 --> 01:46:58,734 is that those rags and tatters 3606 01:46:58,834 --> 01:47:01,433 are more numerous and 3607 01:46:58,834 --> 01:47:01,433 of a more varied kind 3608 01:47:01,533 --> 01:47:04,867 than almost any other 3609 01:47:01,533 --> 01:47:04,867 civilization on the 3610 01:47:01,533 --> 01:47:04,867 face of the Earth. 3611 01:47:05,667 --> 01:47:07,367 You name it, every 3612 01:47:05,667 --> 01:47:07,367 kind of material 3613 01:47:07,467 --> 01:47:09,333 imaginable has come down to us; 3614 01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:14,533 not complete, but 3615 01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:14,533 tantalizing rags and tatters. 3616 01:47:15,233 --> 01:47:17,867 And it's a wonderful thing 3617 01:47:15,233 --> 01:47:17,867 to have all of this material, 3618 01:47:17,967 --> 01:47:20,300 but it's also extremely 3619 01:47:17,967 --> 01:47:20,300 frustrating because it means 3620 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,834 there's that much more room 3621 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,834 for argument and doubt. 3622 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,000 - [Tim] Kent Weeks 3623 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,000 made no indication 3624 01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:28,633 that he'd be in favor 3625 01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:28,633 of anything as major 3626 01:47:28,734 --> 01:47:31,467 as shifting Egypt's 3627 01:47:28,734 --> 01:47:31,467 history by centuries. 3628 01:47:31,567 --> 01:47:35,533 But the reality is, a shift 3629 01:47:31,567 --> 01:47:35,533 wouldn't just affect Egypt, 3630 01:47:35,633 --> 01:47:37,867 because the archaeological 3631 01:47:35,633 --> 01:47:37,867 dates for Canaan 3632 01:47:37,967 --> 01:47:39,367 and the surrounding region 3633 01:47:39,467 --> 01:47:42,667 are all dependent 3634 01:47:39,467 --> 01:47:42,667 on Egypt's history. 3635 01:47:42,767 --> 01:47:44,100 - [Kent] When all 3636 01:47:42,767 --> 01:47:44,100 is said and done, 3637 01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,100 it's the Egyptian 3638 01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,100 chronology that underpins 3639 01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,000 everything else 3640 01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,000 that's being done 3641 01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:51,166 throughout the rest 3642 01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:51,166 of the known world. 3643 01:47:51,266 --> 01:47:53,567 It's a big responsibility 3644 01:47:51,266 --> 01:47:53,567 and it's one of the reasons 3645 01:47:53,667 --> 01:47:55,266 that people look 3646 01:47:53,667 --> 01:47:55,266 at it so closely 3647 01:47:55,367 --> 01:47:57,934 because in terms of 3648 01:47:55,367 --> 01:47:57,934 reconstructing ancient history, 3649 01:47:58,033 --> 01:48:00,133 a lot hinges on the answers. 3650 01:48:04,166 --> 01:48:05,967 - [Tim] So if Egypt's 3651 01:48:04,166 --> 01:48:05,967 historical dates 3652 01:48:06,066 --> 01:48:09,000 are not that certain 3653 01:48:06,066 --> 01:48:09,000 and need adjusting, 3654 01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:11,333 then Canaan's history 3655 01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:11,333 would also require 3656 01:48:11,433 --> 01:48:15,400 the same kind of shift, 3657 01:48:11,433 --> 01:48:15,400 because they're connected. 3658 01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:16,734 But a lot of people 3659 01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:16,734 don't want to do that. 3660 01:48:16,834 --> 01:48:19,367 - [John] No, no, no, 3661 01:48:16,834 --> 01:48:19,367 because Egyptian chronology 3662 01:48:19,467 --> 01:48:22,300 has been assumed to be fixed now 3663 01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,166 for a very long period of time. 3664 01:48:24,266 --> 01:48:28,834 So the whole idea of taking 3665 01:48:24,266 --> 01:48:28,834 it apart and starting again 3666 01:48:28,934 --> 01:48:31,000 is an anathema to 3667 01:48:28,934 --> 01:48:31,000 most Egyptologists. 3668 01:48:31,100 --> 01:48:32,367 - [Tim] Uh-huh, 3669 01:48:31,100 --> 01:48:32,367 because it would undo 3670 01:48:32,467 --> 01:48:33,734 a lot of their 3671 01:48:32,467 --> 01:48:33,734 books, wouldn't it? 3672 01:48:33,834 --> 01:48:36,266 - Well it certainly 3673 01:48:33,834 --> 01:48:36,266 would, yes. (laughs) 3674 01:48:36,367 --> 01:48:37,600 - [Voiceover] But 3675 01:48:36,367 --> 01:48:37,600 there's mounting evidence 3676 01:48:37,700 --> 01:48:39,934 that the current reconstruction 3677 01:48:37,700 --> 01:48:39,934 of Egyptian history 3678 01:48:40,033 --> 01:48:44,767 has major problems that have 3679 01:48:40,033 --> 01:48:44,767 nothing to do with the Bible. 3680 01:48:44,867 --> 01:48:47,433 - There's a whole host of 3681 01:48:44,867 --> 01:48:47,433 reasons for being skeptical 3682 01:48:47,533 --> 01:48:50,333 about the current 3683 01:48:47,533 --> 01:48:50,333 Egyptian chronology, 3684 01:48:50,433 --> 01:48:52,867 and some of them to 3685 01:48:50,433 --> 01:48:52,867 do with Egypt itself, 3686 01:48:52,967 --> 01:48:54,834 but a lot of them 3687 01:48:52,967 --> 01:48:54,834 from outside Egypt, 3688 01:48:54,934 --> 01:48:57,734 which a number of people 3689 01:48:54,934 --> 01:48:57,734 are beginning to look at. 3690 01:48:58,433 --> 01:48:59,767 - [Voiceover] Other 3691 01:48:58,433 --> 01:48:59,767 good scholars maintain 3692 01:48:59,867 --> 01:49:02,133 that you don't need to 3693 01:48:59,867 --> 01:49:02,133 change Egypt's timeline 3694 01:49:02,233 --> 01:49:05,066 in order to see 3695 01:49:02,233 --> 01:49:05,066 evidence for the Exodus. 3696 01:49:05,166 --> 01:49:07,767 James Hoffmeier believes 3697 01:49:05,166 --> 01:49:07,767 textual clues in the Bible 3698 01:49:07,867 --> 01:49:09,100 point to the Exodus happening 3699 01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:12,467 at the 1250 BC Ramesses date. 3700 01:49:12,567 --> 01:49:14,567 Bryant Wood and 3701 01:49:12,567 --> 01:49:14,567 Charles Aling believe 3702 01:49:14,667 --> 01:49:17,934 the Exodus occurred 3703 01:49:14,667 --> 01:49:17,934 around 1450 BC, 3704 01:49:18,033 --> 01:49:21,100 using the conventional 3705 01:49:18,033 --> 01:49:21,100 dates for Egypt and Canaan. 3706 01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,266 They believe a case can 3707 01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,266 be made for Israelites 3708 01:49:23,367 --> 01:49:26,333 living in Egypt 3709 01:49:23,367 --> 01:49:26,333 prior to that time, 3710 01:49:26,433 --> 01:49:29,533 and later Israel appearing 3711 01:49:26,433 --> 01:49:29,533 as a nation in Canaan. 3712 01:49:29,633 --> 01:49:33,200 So an Exodus of some kind 3713 01:49:29,633 --> 01:49:33,200 must have taken place. 3714 01:49:34,867 --> 01:49:36,700 - [Tim] But the only 3715 01:49:34,867 --> 01:49:36,700 place that I saw a pattern 3716 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,767 matching all the steps 3717 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,767 was in the Middle Kingdom, 3718 01:49:39,867 --> 01:49:41,600 not the New Kingdom. 3719 01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:43,300 And if that's not a coincidence, 3720 01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,133 it would require some 3721 01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,133 kind of major change. 3722 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,033 Either the Exodus 3723 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,033 happened long before 1450, 3724 01:49:50,133 --> 01:49:53,100 or the dates for Egypt's 3725 01:49:50,133 --> 01:49:53,100 timeline are off. 3726 01:49:54,934 --> 01:49:56,133 - [Voiceover] The 3727 01:49:54,934 --> 01:49:56,133 debate over the dates 3728 01:49:56,233 --> 01:49:58,834 of ancient history 3729 01:49:56,233 --> 01:49:58,834 is intensifying. 3730 01:49:58,934 --> 01:50:00,667 While the conclusions 3731 01:49:58,934 --> 01:50:00,667 of those who support 3732 01:50:00,767 --> 01:50:03,166 major adjustments 3733 01:50:00,767 --> 01:50:03,166 differ in their details, 3734 01:50:03,266 --> 01:50:04,734 they're all of 3735 01:50:03,266 --> 01:50:04,734 the same mind that 3736 01:50:04,834 --> 01:50:07,533 these things are 3737 01:50:04,834 --> 01:50:07,533 worth investigating, 3738 01:50:07,633 --> 01:50:11,967 and that chronology is not yet 3739 01:50:07,633 --> 01:50:11,967 fixed and is not yet final. 3740 01:50:13,367 --> 01:50:14,934 Researchers like Rohl and Bimson 3741 01:50:15,033 --> 01:50:16,834 believe the main 3742 01:50:15,033 --> 01:50:16,834 problem lies in these 3743 01:50:16,934 --> 01:50:19,834 lesser-known dark 3744 01:50:16,934 --> 01:50:19,834 periods of Egypt's past. 3745 01:50:19,934 --> 01:50:22,467 They think scholars have 3746 01:50:19,934 --> 01:50:22,467 miscalculated their lengths, 3747 01:50:22,567 --> 01:50:23,900 causing distortions in the dates 3748 01:50:24,033 --> 01:50:25,900 for everything before them. 3749 01:50:26,867 --> 01:50:31,133 The biggest suspect is this 3750 01:50:26,867 --> 01:50:31,133 very long third dark period, 3751 01:50:31,233 --> 01:50:32,900 which new information suggests 3752 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,433 has been over-inflated 3753 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,433 by centuries. 3754 01:50:35,533 --> 01:50:38,200 If it were reduced, 3755 01:50:35,533 --> 01:50:38,200 the history of Egypt 3756 01:50:38,300 --> 01:50:40,500 would need to move 3757 01:50:38,300 --> 01:50:40,500 forward in time. 3758 01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,100 - [Tim] For many years, 3759 01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,100 I was intimidated 3760 01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,633 by the giant of Egypt's dating. 3761 01:50:47,734 --> 01:50:49,967 But what made me take 3762 01:50:47,734 --> 01:50:49,967 a second look was when 3763 01:50:50,066 --> 01:50:52,967 I learned that it's been 3764 01:50:50,066 --> 01:50:52,967 necessary to insert gaps 3765 01:50:53,066 --> 01:50:56,266 into the histories of all 3766 01:50:53,066 --> 01:50:56,266 the surrounding civilizations 3767 01:50:56,367 --> 01:50:59,767 in order to match the dating 3768 01:50:56,367 --> 01:50:59,767 of Egypt's third dark period. 3769 01:51:00,533 --> 01:51:02,400 Yet the archaeology 3770 01:51:00,533 --> 01:51:02,400 of these cultures 3771 01:51:02,500 --> 01:51:05,433 does not seem to 3772 01:51:02,500 --> 01:51:05,433 support such gaps. 3773 01:51:05,533 --> 01:51:07,367 Something was wrong. 3774 01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:10,533 - [Voiceover] What 3775 01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:10,533 might history look like 3776 01:51:10,633 --> 01:51:12,600 if the dark periods 3777 01:51:10,633 --> 01:51:12,600 were adjusted the way 3778 01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:16,033 that some scholars believe 3779 01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:16,033 the evidence demands? 3780 01:51:16,133 --> 01:51:20,600 (tinkling music) 3781 01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,800 - [David] What's not changing 3782 01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,800 is the Bible timeline, 3783 01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:29,567 because that's not 3784 01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:29,567 affected by it. 3785 01:51:29,667 --> 01:51:32,000 If you're changing 3786 01:51:29,667 --> 01:51:32,000 the Egyptian timeline, 3787 01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:34,767 you're moving it against 3788 01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:34,767 the Bible timeline. 3789 01:51:34,867 --> 01:51:37,266 So, all of a sudden, 3790 01:51:34,867 --> 01:51:37,266 things that were not 3791 01:51:37,367 --> 01:51:39,867 in the right time 3792 01:51:37,367 --> 01:51:39,867 period between the two 3793 01:51:39,967 --> 01:51:42,600 are suddenly lining 3794 01:51:39,967 --> 01:51:42,600 up in a different way. 3795 01:51:43,567 --> 01:51:44,767 And that's the exciting bit, 3796 01:51:44,867 --> 01:51:46,200 because that's when 3797 01:51:44,867 --> 01:51:46,200 we suddenly start 3798 01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:48,266 to find evidence for 3799 01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:48,266 the biblical story. 3800 01:51:49,633 --> 01:51:50,767 - [Tim] It's startling to think 3801 01:51:50,867 --> 01:51:52,533 how significant this could be. 3802 01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:56,767 Because chronology, the dates 3803 01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:56,767 assigned to these events, 3804 01:51:56,867 --> 01:51:59,834 is the thing being used 3805 01:51:56,867 --> 01:51:59,834 to convince the world 3806 01:51:59,934 --> 01:52:02,233 that the Bible is 3807 01:51:59,934 --> 01:52:02,233 just a fairy tale, 3808 01:52:03,266 --> 01:52:05,033 but look at the pattern: 3809 01:52:05,700 --> 01:52:07,133 evidence matching Joseph 3810 01:52:07,233 --> 01:52:09,834 and the early Israelites' 3811 01:52:07,233 --> 01:52:09,834 arrival in Egypt; 3812 01:52:10,667 --> 01:52:12,700 their tremendous multiplication; 3813 01:52:13,667 --> 01:52:15,567 their descent into slavery; 3814 01:52:16,467 --> 01:52:18,633 the judgment and 3815 01:52:16,467 --> 01:52:18,633 collapse of Egypt; 3816 01:52:19,433 --> 01:52:22,633 the deliverance and exodus 3817 01:52:19,433 --> 01:52:22,633 of the Semitic population; 3818 01:52:23,633 --> 01:52:26,333 and finally, in Canaan, 3819 01:52:23,633 --> 01:52:26,333 evidence matching 3820 01:52:26,433 --> 01:52:28,567 the conquest of 3821 01:52:26,433 --> 01:52:28,567 the Promised Land. 3822 01:52:30,734 --> 01:52:34,166 I know there's a lot of 3823 01:52:30,734 --> 01:52:34,166 disagreement over the dating, 3824 01:52:34,266 --> 01:52:36,233 but what strikes 3825 01:52:34,266 --> 01:52:36,233 me is that if you 3826 01:52:36,333 --> 01:52:39,333 put all the dates to 3827 01:52:36,333 --> 01:52:39,333 the side for a moment, 3828 01:52:39,433 --> 01:52:42,266 what emerges from the 3829 01:52:39,433 --> 01:52:42,266 archaeology is this pattern 3830 01:52:42,367 --> 01:52:45,767 that matches the Bible 3831 01:52:42,367 --> 01:52:45,767 every step of the way, 3832 01:52:45,867 --> 01:52:49,066 and doesn't that deserve 3833 01:52:45,867 --> 01:52:49,066 to be taken seriously? 3834 01:52:50,667 --> 01:52:54,433 But for now, those who hold 3835 01:52:50,667 --> 01:52:54,433 to established conventions 3836 01:52:54,533 --> 01:52:58,367 will not allow these 3837 01:52:54,533 --> 01:52:58,367 connections to be made. 3838 01:53:00,633 --> 01:53:05,166 (somber music) 3839 01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,500 I'm not an Egyptologist, 3840 01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,500 I'm a filmmaker. 3841 01:53:13,300 --> 01:53:16,533 And I'm not endorsing any 3842 01:53:13,300 --> 01:53:16,533 one dating theory out there. 3843 01:53:16,633 --> 01:53:18,667 I'm just searching 3844 01:53:16,633 --> 01:53:18,667 for the truth. 3845 01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:23,367 Because isn't that what 3846 01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:23,367 the pursuit of both science 3847 01:53:23,467 --> 01:53:27,600 and faith should be, 3848 01:53:23,467 --> 01:53:27,600 a search for truth? 3849 01:53:29,166 --> 01:53:31,700 - [Mansour] At the 3850 01:53:29,166 --> 01:53:31,700 end, the audience, 3851 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,900 the people themselves, 3852 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,900 they will judge. 3853 01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,400 They will know if you 3854 01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,400 are a scientific man, 3855 01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:39,934 a logical theory, or 3856 01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:39,934 you are exaggerating 3857 01:53:40,033 --> 01:53:43,500 or you have some story 3858 01:53:40,033 --> 01:53:43,500 from your own mind. 3859 01:53:45,333 --> 01:53:48,734 - [Tim] Are these findings 3860 01:53:45,333 --> 01:53:48,734 just an exaggeration? 3861 01:53:48,834 --> 01:53:51,900 Or is looking for the 3862 01:53:48,834 --> 01:53:51,900 Exodus at the earlier date 3863 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,100 the key step in 3864 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,100 bringing the Bible 3865 01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,133 out of the shadows of myth 3866 01:53:56,233 --> 01:53:58,767 and into the light 3867 01:53:56,233 --> 01:53:58,767 of true history? 3868 01:54:00,567 --> 01:54:03,633 People wonder why they haven't 3869 01:54:00,567 --> 01:54:03,633 heard about this before, 3870 01:54:03,734 --> 01:54:05,033 but what I found out was that 3871 01:54:05,133 --> 01:54:07,033 a lot of people don't 3872 01:54:05,133 --> 01:54:07,033 want to talk about it. 3873 01:54:07,133 --> 01:54:09,800 Archaeologists, 3874 01:54:07,133 --> 01:54:09,800 people in the media, 3875 01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:11,900 no one's willing to 3876 01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:11,900 actually tell this story, 3877 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,633 and I had to ask that 3878 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,633 same question of myself: 3879 01:54:14,734 --> 01:54:17,633 was I willing to follow this 3880 01:54:14,734 --> 01:54:17,633 story to where it really led? 3881 01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:20,700 But there is something 3882 01:54:18,700 --> 01:54:20,700 to these ancient stories 3883 01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,700 and we just felt 3884 01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,700 that, "You know what? 3885 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,133 "We just have to let people 3886 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,133 know what the truth was." 3887 01:54:27,967 --> 01:54:32,734 (serene music) 3888 01:55:45,734 --> 01:55:48,000 - [Voiceover] After the 3889 01:55:45,734 --> 01:55:48,000 Israelites left Egypt, 3890 01:55:48,100 --> 01:55:51,300 it is written they miraculously 3891 01:55:48,100 --> 01:55:51,300 crossed a mighty sea 3892 01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,533 and traveled on to Mount Sinai. 3893 01:55:53,633 --> 01:55:56,533 No trace of their journey 3894 01:55:53,633 --> 01:55:56,533 has ever been found. 3895 01:55:58,100 --> 01:56:01,000 But, if there really 3896 01:55:58,100 --> 01:56:01,000 was an Exodus, 3897 01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:04,900 then the mountain was 3898 01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:04,900 somewhere out there. 3899 01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:09,600 (serene music) 3900 01:56:11,900 --> 01:56:13,900 (uplifting music) 229715

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