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This was my very first day
on a murder team in the met police
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and I got the call to say,
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"Looks like there may be
a job in Paddington
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"down near Marble Arch."
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It was Colin Sutton's
first day in the office
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and Colin said
"Dave, we've got a call,
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"we're ready now."
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It was as quick as that.
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It was a funny
sort of situation that day
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because we were quite literally
thrown in at the deep end.
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We go to the scene,
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of what we were told
was a missing lady,
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hadn't been seen for a few days.
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This particular case
was a very big job
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in terms of involving
proper detective work.
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And it gave me
an opportunity to see
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most of the members of my team
in action for real.
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It was really just what I needed
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at the very start of my career
with my new team.
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It was a crime
of almost breathtaking...
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The man who tried to kill her
will never be free to harm again...
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The life sentence
may provide some closure
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for his victims' families.
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..targeted young women
unable to defend themselves.
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Colin Sutton
was a detective chief inspector
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and senior investigating officer
at the Metropolitan Police.
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He led the investigations
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into some of the most complex
and high-profile cases ever,
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bringing dangerous criminals
to justice.
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He showed his...
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Then the screaming...
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..another 146 victims.
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In this series,
we will take you inside those cases
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and show you how he caught
these criminals using nothing
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but pure detective work.
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This is The Real Manhunter.
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Now been
found guilty on all...
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- ..place charges...
- The oldest victim...
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The officer in charge
described it as a senseless tragedy.
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The life sentence
may provide some closure
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for his victims' families.
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When I joined the police,
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I had no idea
what specialism I might want to do,
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I just thought, you know,
I wanted to be a policeman.
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I wanted to be in uniform
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and run around chasing people
and driving after people,
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and catching criminals
and helping people,
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and all the other things you do.
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What I did know or thought
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I knew is that I didn't want
to be a detective.
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And it all kind of changed
the very first time
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I went into a room where there
was a murder squad in operation.
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I just thought,
"That's actually a really good job,
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"that is, I quite fancy doing that."
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It was just a hopeless dream
at the time,
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I never thought
it would actually happen,
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and I was on
a different career path completely
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which meant a quick promotion
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to at least to inspector
and working in uniform,
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and I did all that.
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Then I got the chance
to go to be a detective.
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On the first day I met Colin,
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I immediately
realised that...
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here was a man
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that was very
warm and friendly,
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and he was in a raincoat,
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a smart suit and shiny leather shoes
which policemen always have,
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and I was probably in scutches
which journalists always have.
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He's jovial,
he's intelligent, he's a fair man,
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and he doesn't let himself
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be led by peer pressure,
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he's somebody
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who is his own individual character.
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I've always just found him
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to be fair and sensible
and straightforward.
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He was a good boss.
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Colin and I, and other reporters
built up a good relationship,
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one of trust...
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and I suppose understanding
for each other's different roles.
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Colin Sutton joined the murder team
that I was on at Barnes
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and it was the first time
I'd ever met Colin.
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Colin is a nice guy,
he's very personable,
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very down to earth
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and he is, or was,
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what I would call
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a collaborative manager,
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so at my level, at DC level,
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it was refreshing to have a DCI
who would talk to you,
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you know, about anything
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and you could go to him
about anything
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and there wouldn't be
any heirs or graces.
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He was quite a character.
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I first met Colin Sutton
when he was addressing the team,
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he introduced himself
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in what I would consider
to be a humble way.
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He seemed relaxed.
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We were a strong, capable group...
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of detectives and police staff
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and I think it enabled us
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to hit the ground running.
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On 3 January 2003,
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that was my first day
with my new murder team
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at Barnes in South West London
on the western part
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of the homicide
and serious crime command.
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And although I had been
senior investigating officer
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on a few other cases
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when I was serving
with other forces,
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this was the first time I had a team
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that was dedicated
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to only doing serious crime
all the time
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and I knew that in that respect,
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most of my team
had more experience than I did.
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So, you know,
it was something I approached
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with a little bit of apprehension,
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I wanted to make sure
that I did it well
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and that I could prove to the team
that they could trust me
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just the same as I was going
to have to watch them and see
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that I could trust them.
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I went in that day
and was sort of introducing myself
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to the members
of the team and talking
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and they were talking me through
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a few of the sort of current
outstanding investigations.
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And about 1:30 in the afternoon,
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I got a phone call
from the main office
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for the homicide group
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and they said,
"Your team is now in the frame."
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At that time,
Colin was so brand-new.
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I mean, actually, I remember
Colin remarking.
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I think that day,
he said, "I'm a lucky cop,
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"everything I do, I get lucky."
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When a job comes in,
usually a call will come in via,
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certainly in that era,
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would have come in usually
to one of the DIs or to Colin,
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direct, saying, "There is a case,
there's a potential murder...
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and wherever that case is,
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we would send out
a kind of core team,
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a core role team to the scene
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which would involve
exhibits officers,
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house to house inquiry team,
CCTV teams,
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just to really start
the ball rolling to kind of gather
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as much evidence as we possibly can
in particularly the first hour,
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which is really important.
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It was a funny sort of situation
that day in some ways
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because we were quite literally
thrown in at the deep end.
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You know,
I didn't have time to sit down
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and talk to each one of the officers
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and find out
what they thought about things
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and how they worked.
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I just about moved my things
into the office...
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and we were out on a job.
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I suppose in some ways,
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I didn't really know
how best to deal with it.
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Do I just send somebody
to have a look and report back to me
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or what would they be
expecting me to do?
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I thought,
well, it can't really do any harm
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if I'm there, can it?
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Because if I'm there
making decisions on the scene,
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then it's probably
the best way to do it,
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so I grabbed a handful of officers
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and said, "Come on,
let's go down and take a look."
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We very quickly have to step
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into a professional manner
and off we went...
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in our various roles,
my brother was exhibits,
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and I was part of a general team
who were combing the area for CCTV
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and other bits and pieces
that we had to do.
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First thing would have been
to identify any potential witnesses.
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It was a 92-year-old lady
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who had been missing
from her flat at Lanchester Court
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for the best part of a week.
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So, I came down here
with some of the members of my team,
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we met the local police
and a local DI here
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and he told us
this woman was Bridie Skehan.
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She was a colourful character,
an interesting character,
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she had quite a life.
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During the Second World War,
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she had worked
at the American embassy,
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and after that,
she became an interior designer.
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She had a love for big,
sort of ostentatious American cars.
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She kind of led a life
with the party set
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and the money set in London...
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and was something of, I don't know,
a socialite, a sort of celebrity.
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Bridie had been married
at some point of her life,
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but it didn't work out,
she was divorced,
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and she lived alone for many years.
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And now, in her 90s, she lived here,
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she had a flat, she rented out rooms
in it to lodgers,
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one of the lodgers came back
from Christmas with his family
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while we were in the premises
and he started talking to us
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and he told us that Bridie
had last been seen by Molly
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who was her neighbour,
who lived opposite.
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She had been missing
for around about a week
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and obviously with her age, 92,
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you can understand
why the local police
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and indeed her lodger and Molly,
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her friend were fearful
for her safety.
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We got talking to them
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and they told us
there were two other lodgers,
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a couple, a Filipino woman
and a Middle Eastern man
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who weren't here,
but they should have been here,
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they were meant to be staying
in the flat all over Christmas.
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A pillar of the local
catholic community in that area,
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a woman who was reasonably well off,
who had close friends.
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There was no earthly reason
for her to go missing
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at this time in these circumstances.
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We went to the ground floor flat
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and we made inquiries with the lady
who lived opposite,
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a very good friend.
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And she told us all about Bridie
and that she hadn't seen her,
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gave us a bit of lifestyle, and...
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we went into the flat.
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There was a local
detective inspector
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from Paddington Green,
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and he was telling us
what Molly had told him
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and what the sort of current state
of knowledge was.
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Although there was the mystery
of her whereabouts at that time,
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it would have been quite clear
to those detectives
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from a very early stage
that all was not right
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and there was a very good prospect
that harm had come to Bridie.
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We had a uniformed cop
there with us,
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a local cop who was kind of looking
at the missing person side.
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So, we went into the kitchen...
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and as we were talking...
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we looked around
and clearly the place was tidy,
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we didn't know at the time
that it had been tidied up,
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but it was tidy.
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On the floor, I remember seeing
what looked like blood staining,
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just on the floor in the kitchen
near the back door.
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Not enough the way
you're talking bright red blood,
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but you could tell
there was something there,
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but we couldn't get out
the back door,
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the back door was locked.
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While we were there,
one of the lodgers came back.
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He'd been away with his family
for Christmas
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and you know, he had sort of asked
what we were doing,
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and we explained,
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and he was
sort of scratching his head
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and looking around with us.
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And I saw his sort of gaze
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was on some hooks in the kitchen
and it was clear
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that there was something
that caught his eye,
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so I said, "What's wrong?
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What's the matter?"
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We were having sort of a cursory
look around the flat
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and there was nothing
obviously amiss,
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no signs of any struggle or anything
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that would have
sort of raised alarm bells,
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but while we were there,
one of the lodgers came back.
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And he told us that there was a key
to the shed for the flat
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that ought to have been hanging
on a hook in the kitchen
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and it was missing.
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The key moment
in this case really fell
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when the detectives
were standing in her kitchen
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and their attention alighted
on a key hook,
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a key hook missing a key,
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a key which eventually unlocked
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this murder investigation.
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I kind of looked at the local DI
and he looked at me
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and we sort of shrugged
our shoulders
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because we weren't aware
that this flat had a shed
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which went with it
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and the lawyer explained that
if you go back out into the street
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and along the end of the block,
there was like an archway
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and that took you
to sort of the service alley
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round behind the block of flats,
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and there
was sort of brick built outhouses,
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they weren't very big
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and some of the flats
had one allocated to them
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and Bridie's flat did.
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By this time,
the weather had become quite foul
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and it was snowing
really, really heavily.
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Given that the key was missing,
and we now knew there was another,
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essentially, part of the premises
that hadn't been searched,
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we thought we better go
around there and do it.
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We went back out into the street,
walked around the building
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and ended up here in the alley
behind Lanchester Court.
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At the time, it was thick with snow
and we went to the shed
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and of course it was locked,
and we didn't have the key.
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On the floor, on the concrete step,
in and around...
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I saw what I thought
was blood again,
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you can't be sure,
obviously without testing it,
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but there looked like
there was blood on the inside,
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there wasn't literally
a blood trail,
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but it looked like blood,
couldn't be sure,
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but we decided we were gonna go in.
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Dave Leach put his shoulder
against the door
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and very quickly we were in.
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And through some torchlight,
we could see a lot of clutter.
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As is the case
with all potential crime scenes,
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you try to limit
the number of people going in.
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Colin stayed at the door,
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and I went in,
I had a torch and as I went in...
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I could see a large television box.
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Over at the far wall
was this big cardboard box.
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At the very bottom corner
of the television box,
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there was what looked
like blood staining.
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There was a quadrant
at the bottom corner
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that was a sort
of a dark brown, red-y colour
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and it looked as if something
had leaked onto it...
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and it was very ominous.
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So, Dave Leach put his suit on
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and went in and very carefully,
with a scalpel,
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just cut away
enough of this reddened area
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so that we could see inside the box.
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I had a torch in one hand,
and I was on my knees
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and I just cut
the corner of the box out.
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We shone a bright torch on,
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and we saw this fine silvery hair
which was Bridie's head.
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As you can imagine,
from that point in,
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we knew it was a murder scene
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and he needed
to get the team down here,
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that meant local inquiries,
CCTV retrieval,
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whatever route that Colin
was deciding to go at that stage.
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He really had to just allow
the team to just do its job
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because he'd newly arrived,
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he would have had no concept
of people's capability,
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who was strong in which department.
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And for him,
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and what he did particularly well
was to sit there
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and allow the DIs and the DSs
to divide the roles
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amongst the detectives
who were there at the time
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and his role
really was to be strategic
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and to concentrate
his resources on areas
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he felt would be important.
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We waited then,
went outside, spoke to Colin,
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got the team on standby,
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I've got them all racing down
to where we were.
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When the crime scene coordinator
turned up,
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we then carefully removed everything
from that particular box
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and then we,
in an effort to preserve the tape,
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we then cut around the box
with a scalpel
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and lifted the box off...
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and then we removed
some material from inside
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and then
in a kind of foetal position,
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dressed in a dressing gown
from memory, was the old lady,
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who even from the first look
had clearly been beaten.
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And then we removed the body,
and the body was taken away.
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We would have managed that scene
very tightly and very quickly
338
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and identified
prime suspects pretty quickly.
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The last time Bridie was seen
was when she went with Molly,
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her friend from the adjacent flat,
341
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and they'd been to midnight mass
at Westminster Cathedral
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and they'd walked back
from midnight mass together,
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and that was the last time
Molly saw her.
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She was reported missing in between
Christmas and New Year by Molly
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and we had now got to 3 January,
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so it was like getting on to 10 days
that since she was last seen.
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One of the things
that Molly was able to tell us
348
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was something about
what was going on
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in the flat prior to Christmas.
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Bridie supplemented her
pretty sort of low income
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really by having lodgers
in her big flat with her.
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Bridie lived in her flat
with a lodger who was a lawyer,
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another lodger who was an accountant
and then she had two other lodgers
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who were kind of a couple
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and they'd been there
for a few months.
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The woman was called Nimpha Ong
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and the man in the couple
was called Ahmed Al Haddad.
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The lady gave us a bit of a flavour
for who they were
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and what age, etcetera, they were.
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I believe she was about 49
from memory and he was 24.
361
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It's an unusual age gap.
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She was described
as the dominant force
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in the relationship
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and he would basically do
as he was told.
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Just a young impressionable
kind of guy, Middle Eastern
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and she was,
I believe, from the Philippines.
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Once we knew the circumstances
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of the tenancy and all that,
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they became our prime suspects
right away.
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It was a four-bedroom flat,
the lawyer lived in one bedroom,
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accountant in another,
and in theory,
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Ong and Al Haddad
had a bedroom each,
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but what was really happening
was that Ong and Al Haddad
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were mostly always sharing a bed
or sharing a bedroom.
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And this kind of upset Bridie
because of her morality
376
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,360
and she didn't want
sort of two unmarried people
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living under her roof.
378
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,920
In fact, Bridie who owned the flat
had taken, because of this,
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to sleeping on the sofa
in the living room.
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And they'd had words about it
381
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,360
and ultimately,
Bridie had asked them
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to leave the flat
383
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and not to come back to it
after Christmas.
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The old lady opposite
didn't speak fondly of them at all
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and was quite openly saying
386
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,800
that she thinks
that they were the ones
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00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,040
that killed poor Bridie.
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00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,040
She told me there was about
45,000, 50,000 pounds
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00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:33,160
hidden in the flat.
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00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,440
They found money everywhere,
under the carpet,
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00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,800
in the settee, under the cushions,
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00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,600
they were finding
wads of money everywhere,
393
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,480
and in the hallway,
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wrapped up in a towel
in the airing cupboard...
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00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,800
was a little safe with, from memory,
about 50,000 pounds in cash.
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00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,120
Everybody had disappeared
from the flat, there was nobody,
397
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,640
none of the lodgers were there.
398
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They'd gone back home
sort of for Christmas
399
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and likewise,
Al Haddad and Ong were not there.
400
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,920
From that point,
401
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,680
resources would have gone
into finding the people
402
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,120
who were our prime suspects
403
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,960
and in particular that job
did develop into a manhunt.
404
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560
In the early hours of the morning,
Colin had given some instructions
405
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,160
that they'd made some inquiries
and they'd found a brother
406
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who lived not far away off
the Edgware road.
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00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,160
Several cars arrived
and we were gonna go
408
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,600
and make some inquiries
with the brother to see
409
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,120
what he knew
about his brother and where he was
410
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,680
or where he could potentially be.
411
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,040
Trying to find the missing lodgers
Nimpha Ong and Ahmed Al Haddad,
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00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:55,400
we came here to these flats
413
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,040
because that's where
Al Haddad's brother
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00:20:58,120 --> 00:20:59,600
was meant to live
and we thought that he might
415
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,440
or they might have gone
and fled to stay with him.
416
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,600
We came and knocked on the door
and got no reply
417
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,320
and by this time
it was 1:30 in the morning,
418
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,080
the team had been working all day,
419
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,320
and I thought the best thing
we could probably do was go home
420
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,480
and regroup in the morning.
421
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,160
And we're just by the police car
here organising that
422
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,600
and a man came around
the corner down there.
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00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,080
And one of the officers,
,
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who sort of said "That bloke there
looks a bit like Al Haddad."
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00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,000
It was a bit of stretch really,
a bit of a pun,
426
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,280
you know, of all the people
walking around in Central London,
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00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,760
he went over to him and went,
"Are you Ahmed Al Haddad,"
428
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,880
and the man said,
"No, I'm not, I'm his brother,
429
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,320
"but he is just behind me."
430
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,480
And there was our suspect
walking around the corner
431
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,880
and it was quite remarkable
because in an effort,
432
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,800
he said later, to disguise himself,
he had dyed his hair,
433
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,120
but instead of going blonde,
it had gone sort of orange,
434
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,720
so you had this man
with sort of dark skin,
435
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,440
an Arab looking man
with orange hair!
436
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,960
During the second interview,
437
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,640
he explained that when they went
on the run from London,
438
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,840
they went out to Surrey,
Englefield Green in Surrey
439
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,240
and his partner, Nimpha Ong
440
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600
had said that he stands out
in Surrey as an Asian man,
441
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,000
therefore he should
change his appearance,
442
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,480
so she dyed his hair,
at which point the solicitor said...
443
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,000
"Yeah, and that really worked,
didn't it?"
444
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,600
He just stood out like a sore thumb
more than anything else,
445
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,680
it would have done nothing.
446
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,200
That morning when I talked
to my team for the very first time,
447
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,520
I said to them
448
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,320
that I wasn't necessarily sure
449
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,280
that I was any good at being an SIO,
450
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,040
but I did seem to be lucky
451
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:31,720
in the past.
452
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,560
And I think I demonstrated
that to them straight away
453
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280
on the first day
because I went to talk to this man
454
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:38,880
and there was Al Haddad,
455
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,360
he came into view
and it was quite bizarre.
456
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,600
My officers spoke to Al Haddad
and he was pretty open
457
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,920
right from the start.
458
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,400
To the guys
when I had him in the car,
459
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,640
he made admissions.
460
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,080
Unsolicited admissions,
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00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,160
rather than an interview,
462
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,480
they would have asked him
a few questions
463
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,080
like, "Where have you been,
what have you done,"
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00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,120
you know, basic stuff.
465
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,200
But what he didn't do,
466
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,920
he didn't make any direct confession
of being involved directly himself.
467
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,040
He was there, he was part of,
but he blamed Nimpha Ong.
468
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,600
He was never going to be
"No comment"
469
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,440
or tell lies
or try and lie his way out of it.
470
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,640
He was quite open
and said, "Yeah, we killed her
471
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,880
"and it was
all my girlfriends idea,"
472
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,200
and he said that
"My girlfriend and I fled to a house
473
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,520
"of a friend of hers in Surrey,
474
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,400
"in a place
called Englefield Green."
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00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,880
He was promptly
put into one of our cars
476
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,240
and we rather than go home,
477
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,200
there was a convoy
through the snow out
478
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,280
into to Surrey to Englefield Green
479
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,320
and we went to this
sort of modern estate
480
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,400
and there was
a small terraced house there,
481
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,320
where she had a friend who spent
a lot of time working abroad,
482
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,000
he let her sort of house sit
while he was away.
483
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,680
She thought that was the ideal place
484
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,600
to flee to after
they had killed Bridie.
485
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,840
They were both then arrested
at the Englefield Green address...
486
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,840
and separated and taken back
to the police station.
487
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Two suspects are taken
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00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,040
to different police stations...
489
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,320
as is the normal process
490
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,920
in that situation, keep them apart.
491
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,640
Al Haddad was interviewed
over two days
492
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,040
at Richmond Police Station.
493
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,880
Myself and another DC
did the interviews.
494
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:18,200
First interview was fairly concise,
he did speak to some extent,
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00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,200
but it was very, very on edge,
it wasn't detailed...
496
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,920
there was obviously lies
497
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,200
and lots of gaps
in what had gone on.
498
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,960
Really from the very start,
499
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,320
both of them
just did that effectively,
500
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,080
which is quite common when you get
sort of two handed murders.
501
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,120
Each said it was the other's idea,
the others responsibility
502
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560
and, no, they hadn't had anything
to do with it themselves,
503
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,360
but they'll tell you all about
what their other half did.
504
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280
After the first interview,
he's obviously telling lies.
505
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,520
Whilst we're undergoing
certain processes we have to do,
506
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,320
i.e., fingerprints,
fingernail scrapings,
507
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,640
hair pulling,
all of this kind of thing.
508
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,720
And we're talking to him
509
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,320
while he's kind
of having a cigarette in the cage
510
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,800
out the back of the police station.
511
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,440
Now, there are procedures
around that process.
512
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,480
Strictly speaking,
are we interviewing him off tape?
513
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,520
Are we...
514
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,600
All of these kinds of things,
515
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,960
but it's really
about the police, us,
516
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,160
identifying someone
517
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,760
who should tell the truth
and encouraging that,
518
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,880
and that's what went on
in that little interim period.
519
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,520
And you can't put that over
520
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,000
because that is a behind the scenes
521
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,920
type effort
522
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,080
to get this man to tell the truth,
it's not arms up his back,
523
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,520
it's not shouting in his face,
it's none of that.
524
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,960
It is a "You need to tell the truth,
525
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,720
your brother is really destroyed
by what's gone on here,
526
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,000
you've got a good family,
what are you doing this for?
527
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,440
What's going on?"
528
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,080
And he cracked
and that's not very often.
529
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,640
From then on, it was about him
playing down his role in the murder
530
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,600
and pushing the main blame
531
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,320
if you like onto his partner,
Nimpha Ong.
532
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,440
When we started speaking
to both of them,
533
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Al Haddad was reasonably open
534
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,160
and was telling us roughly
what had happened.
535
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,800
But he was saying all the while
that it was Nimpha Ong,
536
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,600
his older, more experienced,
more cunning girlfriend
537
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,560
who had duped him into following
along with her plans.
538
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,840
She was saying very little,
she was sort of no commenting
539
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,080
and being pretty non-committal
about anything that went on.
540
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680
She was hard as nails,
541
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,120
point blank, face like steel,
542
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,760
unmovable, no remorse, nothing.
543
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,200
So, what we really had to do
was to take the bones
544
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,680
of what Al Haddad
had been telling us
545
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,400
and see if we could find evidence
546
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,320
that would corroborate
the story he gave us
547
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,280
because if that was the case
then we could corroborate it,
548
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,960
we could probably prove
that Nimpha Ong
549
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,680
was the driving force
behind this murder.
550
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,720
He told us that Ong had been working
551
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,320
for estate agents in the locality
552
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,880
and the whole idea of the murder
was not just that they were fed up
553
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,160
that Bridie had told them
they had to leave
554
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,400
and they had nowhere to live
but that Ong was convinced
555
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,120
that Bridie had the deeds
to the flat somewhere in the flat.
556
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,920
And she thought if they could
get their hands on them,
557
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800
they could use them
to procure some sort of loan
558
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,400
or some sort of financial advantage
559
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,760
and disappear into the sunset
together with lots of money.
560
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,280
So, that kind of gave us the motive.
561
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,680
He told us some facts
about how it had happened.
562
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,280
And essentially he said that
563
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,840
they had kind of jumped onto Bridie
564
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,280
while she was in the house,
and this would have been Boxing Day,
565
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,760
and that they had...
566
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,600
asked her
for the deeds for the house,
567
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,040
she told them to go away
and to get out
568
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,640
and that Al Haddad
had taken her walking stick
569
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,480
and beaten her with it
and that was what had killed her.
570
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,960
And then they had the issue
of sort of disposing of the body,
571
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,240
and they borrowed
this large suitcase...
572
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
What that interview did
was that enabled us in the police
573
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,280
to identify a number of items
574
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,440
that were really vital
to the investigation
575
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,560
i.e., to contact the exhibits team
at the property
576
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,360
to obtain the walking stick,
the suitcase,
577
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,520
all for forensic examination.
578
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,640
So, I phoned Dave up saying,
579
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,880
"You need to get
all the walking sticks
580
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,760
"in the property and bag them up,
and the suitcase,"
581
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440
and that is a forensic leap forward.
582
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,360
We retrieved the walking stick,
and now it was clear that
583
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,080
there was a bit of a scene
inside the flat
584
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,480
where even though
it had been tidied up,
585
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,640
you could kind of work out
where it had taken place.
586
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,040
But we couldn't find the suitcase.
587
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Ahmed Al Haddad told us
that they'd come here,
588
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,080
he'd came with Nimpha Ong to friends
in Penfold Street to a flat
589
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560
and that's where they borrowed
a large suitcase
590
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,200
in which they intended
to dispose of Bridie's body.
591
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,320
So, we came here
and spoke to those friends to see
592
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960
if they could substantiate
the story.
593
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,200
And not only did they corroborate it
but they told us
594
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,440
that Al Haddad and Ong
had come here on Boxing Day,
595
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,240
they had a little bit of a party,
596
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320
and as people do
with their friends at Christmas,
597
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,160
they'd been taking photographs.
598
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,800
So, before we left,
599
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,160
they gave us a roll of film
and said on there,
600
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,880
there should be photos
of our two suspects
601
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,200
there on Boxing Day.
602
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,720
When we had that film developed,
it was quite ominous
603
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,680
because one of the shots
604
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,680
showed Al Haddad and Ong
with this large suitcase,
605
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,320
a suitcase in which they tried
to get rid of Bridie's body
606
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,280
and in which we found
Bridie's blood.
607
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,680
They then phoned for a minicab...
608
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,840
Ong phoned and she specified
609
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,720
that they needed an estate car
because they had a lot of luggage,
610
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,120
so they were going to move the body
in the suitcase somewhere...
611
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,600
but Al Haddad said he didn't know
where the intended destination was.
612
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,720
To try to kind of throw people off
the scent I suppose,
613
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,720
instead of ordering for the minicab
to come to Lanchester Court,
614
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,600
she asked for it
to come to Connaught Square,
615
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,320
round the corner and the idea
616
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,120
was that they would take
the suitcase around there
617
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,800
and wait for the minicab.
618
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,920
But there was a problem...
619
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,520
as you came out
into the communal hall
620
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,120
from Bridie's flat,
621
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,360
there was a flight of steps
that went upwards to the front door
622
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,760
and then you had to go down
to the street.
623
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,280
They put her in the suitcase
and they call a cab,
624
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,760
but they couldn't carry the suitcase
if you imagine even a lady who is 93
625
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,760
and is quite frail is a dead weight
626
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,920
and it's a serious bit of weight
in a suitcase.
627
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,960
And as they were trying to get it up
this flight of carpeted steps,
628
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Nimpha Ong realised that
there were fluids,
629
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,960
blood leaking out
of the corner of the suitcase.
630
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,520
And so they had to stop
and re-assess their plans
631
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,600
because quite logically
it wasn't gonna be a good idea
632
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,320
to take a suitcase leaking blood
into a minicab
633
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,040
and trying to escape with it.
634
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160
So, they took the suitcase
back into the flat
635
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,200
and Ong thought
about the shed outside
636
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,920
and thought that might be a place
they could hide her.
637
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,280
And she sent Al Haddad round
with the key and he came back
638
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,480
and said, "Yes, there is a box."
639
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,240
They couldn't carry it,
so then plan B,
640
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440
"We'll have to put her in a box,
put her in the outhouse."
641
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,520
I think the hope
642
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,040
there was that they would make
their getaway.
643
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,840
So, what they did was they took
the suitcase with Bridie in it
644
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,960
around to the back...
645
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,960
and transferred her into the TV box
that we'd found her in.
646
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,240
And then they went to clean up
647
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,680
and they did their best to clean up
the steps with the carpet on,
648
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,040
cleaned up Bridie's flat
and indeed cleaned up the suitcase
649
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,400
that they'd brought
from their friends.
650
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
So, we had a really good sort
if chain of evidence for this,
651
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,440
we've got the suitcase,
652
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,720
it's got Bridie's blood in it
and in between times,
653
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,480
we know
that Ong and Al Haddad had it
654
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,720
because we've got
photographic evidence of them
655
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,800
standing there with the suitcase.
656
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,280
So,
everything that we were being told
657
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,160
was standing up
and was being corroborated,
658
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
so it was starting to be
a good case.
659
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Ahmed Al Haddad
and Nimpha Ong stood trial
660
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,440
for the murder of Bridie Skehan here
at the Inner London Crown Court.
661
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,200
The trial lasted
for a couple of weeks
662
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,040
and throughout it,
they blamed each other really.
663
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,160
Each said that it was
664
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,960
the other one's idea to kill Bridie
665
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,800
and that they could make
some money out of it.
666
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,240
Well, during the trial,
one of the things
667
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640
that came out was this change
during the interview
668
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,480
because it's not very often
that that happens
669
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,720
and there was a defensive play,
if you like,
670
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,480
a defensive council play on the fact
671
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,400
that how did Mr Al Haddad gone
672
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,960
from giving one story on one day
673
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,840
to a different story the second day,
674
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,880
but it was very well put
by our council,
675
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Brian Altman QC
who explained that away
676
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,280
as saying
"This is officers seeking the truth"
677
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,440
which is in effect, what we do,
and that's exactly what happened.
678
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,880
As the evidence went on,
679
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,160
it was pretty clear that
the major part in the partnership
680
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,520
was taken by Nimpha Ong,
681
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,960
she was some 20 years older than him
682
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,880
and she pulled all the strings
and I think the court realised that,
683
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,080
although they were both found guilty
of murder eventually,
684
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,080
the length of sentence
recommendations given by the judge
685
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,560
really reflected that Ong, at 49,
686
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,120
was the bad influence
on the young man, Al Haddad.
687
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,960
The trial went very well
from the prosecution point of view,
688
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,560
everyone was gonna get found guilty.
689
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,560
The prosecuting council
really took them apart to be fair,
690
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,920
Al Haddad in particular
was still pleading
691
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400
that he was just another young lad
that fell under her spell,
692
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960
she just was hard as nails
693
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,560
and I think that was reflected
in the sentencing in the end.
694
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,320
After the pair
were convicted of murder,
695
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,200
the judge in sentencing them
696
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,680
remarked that
this was a brutal murder
697
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,560
of a vulnerable victim
for some sort of financial gain.
698
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080
And his recommendations
reflected the parts
699
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,240
that each had played in the murder.
700
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,160
Ong received a recommendation
to serve for at least 17 years,
701
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:54,880
whereas Al Haddad
who was very much led on by her,
702
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,000
the recommendation for him
was only 10.
703
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,000
He's a murderer...
704
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,520
encouraged by Nimpha Ong, no doubt,
705
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,560
and that the whole process
was engineered by Nimpha Ong
706
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,680
for financial gain, but...
707
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,880
it doesn't excuse what he did.
708
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,640
Ong was clearly the main driver
within the scenario.
709
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,320
Al Haddad was accomplice,
710
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,640
but there must be
a point within that
711
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,200
that he was a willing accomplice
712
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
and he still went along,
713
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,800
however you might want to try
and excuse his actions
714
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,800
if anybody did, he still went along
715
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,400
with Ong's plan
to get rid of Bridie,
716
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
get rid of her body
and to try and steal
717
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,760
the deeds to her flat.
718
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,600
The sentencing
was a real concern to us,
719
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,080
Al Haddad 10 years
and Nimpha Ong 17 years.
720
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,640
We all felt that was far too low,
721
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,440
given what they had done
to an elderly lady,
722
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,920
a truly awful crime.
723
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,280
And I think that on reflection,
724
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,400
that's probably the worst part
725
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,040
was the sentencing
of the whole case.
726
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,960
It's an appalling,
financially motivated crime
727
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,520
and I think in this era,
728
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,280
where sentences are much harsher
where there is a financial motive,
729
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,760
their tariff would have been double
actually what they were back then.
730
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,360
She was just a lady
731
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,320
who didn't deserve
to end her long life in that way.
732
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,920
She had let Nimpha Ong
into her home,
733
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,400
you know, as a lodger,
to provide her somewhere to live,
734
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,840
and because Ong and Al Haddad
wouldn't live their lives
735
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,640
under her roof in the way
that she wanted,
736
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,120
she'd asked them to leave,
737
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,480
but there wasn't any dramatic
arguing about it.
738
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,800
She just said, "Look, that's not
what I like going on under my roof,
739
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,880
"so we are gonna have
to let you go as it were,"
740
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,520
and as a result of that...
741
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Ong formed this murderous plan,
742
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,440
this idea to threaten
743
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,760
and offer violence to this old lady
to get some documents
744
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,840
that to be honest
745
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,920
she couldn't have done
very much with anyway.
746
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480
It was a plan
that was always gonna fail
747
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,360
in terms of providing
a financial gain
748
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,840
for her and Al Haddad
749
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,280
and yet Bridie lost her life for it
750
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520
and she lost her life
in her own home...
751
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,760
battered to death
with her own walking stick
752
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,120
and then, you know,
suffered the indignity
753
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,040
of being chucked
in a cardboard box to rot really.
754
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,920
I suppose it was almost
like a desecration of her body
755
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,440
after killing her
to treat her in such a manner.
756
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,720
At that kind of age
having had a blameless life,
757
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,560
loved by her friends...
758
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,480
by the people
in her Catholic community,
759
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,960
to end up like that,
it was obscene.
760
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,040
Poor woman, poor woman,
761
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,640
just the thought of that happening
to somebody who is 93 is just awful.
762
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,800
Sadly for her,
she picked two lodgers
763
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,120
which resulted in her demise,
764
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,280
which is a tragic end to somebody
765
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,880
who lived a real life,
766
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,560
I think, a real good life in London.
767
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,320
And I think the people concerned
in her murder were truly awful.
768
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,600
It was a very good job in terms
769
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,440
of involving
proper detective work...
770
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,480
in this era,
it's very easy for us all
771
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,080
to assume that criminal detection
772
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,440
is something
which is purely forensic based
773
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,400
using DNA techniques, fingerprints.
774
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Perhaps there are less opportunities
775
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,160
for detectives to apply their trade
776
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:50,560
perhaps in the way
777
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,440
that they were used
to before forensic advances,
778
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,880
but this particular case
was a good example of detectives
779
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,600
thinking on their feet
when the opportunity arose
780
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,760
to move in on the case
and in this instance,
781
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,320
it was in terms
of finding the whereabouts,
782
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,520
sadly, of Bridie's body.
783
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,560
While like in this case,
we were lucky
784
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
because there were circumstances
785
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,200
that got us over
sort of humps and problems
786
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,520
in the evidence of the case
that meant we could prove it.
787
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,360
And I guess that was kind
of the sort of thing that I meant
788
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,160
when I said to the team
789
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,200
that I don't know
if I'm any good at being an SIO,
790
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,520
but I'm certainly very lucky at it.
791
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,200
Colin always says
he's a lucky detective
792
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,360
and perhaps he is.
793
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,600
To be fair to him,
I think you make your own luck.
794
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,000
And I kind of recognised that
in him, but lo and behold,
795
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,800
that particular day,
on his first day...
796
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,280
we get the call, and we go out.
797
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,800
When they saw
that key hook with no key on it,
798
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,160
that wasn't anything to do
with luck,
799
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,480
that was to do with moving in on,
solving the case,
800
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,320
breaking the case, finding her body.
801
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,360
And from that point onwards,
once they knew it was murder,
802
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,040
they had her body.
803
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Going backwards,
looking at the suspects,
804
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,440
immediately moving in
on the right suspects
805
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,920
and literally shaking the case
like a ragdoll
806
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,280
to bring
about the conclusion of justice.
807
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,680
Fundamentally, in the police,
808
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,240
we are ordinary people
doing an extraordinary job.
809
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,160
When he came to the team,
we were all strong and capable
810
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,080
and he didn't want
to mess anything up
811
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,760
and he kept to that mantra,
812
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,560
and it's to his credit
that he operates the way he does.
813
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,640
We call come to work
814
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:47,760
because we want to put
really horrible people in prison,
815
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,160
that's our job,
and he was exactly the same.
816
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Looking back, 10 years on almost
or 15 years on from that moment,
817
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,280
I wonder if that luck
didn't kind of grow
818
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,640
and work
in a slightly different way,
819
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,120
and as well as being quite lucky
820
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,240
in terms of being able
to find bits of evidence
821
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,320
and make cases, the sort of case,
822
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,320
the number of cases
and the sort of high profile cases
823
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,320
that sort of fell
into my lap somehow...
824
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,200
gave me the opportunity
to do some work
825
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,600
that most people even in the world
of senior investigating officers
826
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,880
don't get the chance to do.
827
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,360
And to look at,
you know, very high profile...
828
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,320
public, important cases,
and important cases
829
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,120
where arresting
the suspect actually meant
830
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,880
that you saved other people
from becoming his victims,
831
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,920
and that's kind of almost
the most important work you can do.
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