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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,131 --> 00:00:03,741 Chris Kanyon was so ahead of his time. 2 00:00:03,786 --> 00:00:06,046 He was amazing. 3 00:00:06,093 --> 00:00:07,273 [Commentary] ...with moves like that! 4 00:00:07,311 --> 00:00:08,921 I loved working with that motherfucker. 5 00:00:08,965 --> 00:00:11,315 Kanyon, the Innovator of Offense, 6 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:13,099 living up to his reputation. 7 00:00:13,143 --> 00:00:15,283 He called himself the Innovator of Offense. 8 00:00:15,319 --> 00:00:16,929 ...trying to get this, oh, my goodness! 9 00:00:16,973 --> 00:00:18,983 How about that, a cradle neck breaker! 10 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:20,719 Might end up getting stuck, look at this! 11 00:00:20,759 --> 00:00:21,889 Oh, my goodness! 12 00:00:21,934 --> 00:00:23,414 [narrator] In the 1990s, 13 00:00:23,458 --> 00:00:26,108 wrestler Chris Kanyon rose from obscurity 14 00:00:26,156 --> 00:00:28,986 to become one of the most innovative and versatile 15 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:32,079 performers of the era, pioneering a style that 16 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,509 would set the stage for decades to come. 17 00:00:34,556 --> 00:00:37,556 I would say he's one of the most 18 00:00:37,602 --> 00:00:40,042 underappreciated wrestlers of all time. 19 00:00:40,083 --> 00:00:41,433 Chris is one of those guys who deserve 20 00:00:41,476 --> 00:00:44,216 so much more respect, so much more notoriety, 21 00:00:44,261 --> 00:00:45,391 and so much more love 22 00:00:45,436 --> 00:00:47,606 for everything he did for wrestling. 23 00:00:47,656 --> 00:00:50,916 Despite success and the adulation of his peers, 24 00:00:50,963 --> 00:00:52,923 Kanyon lived with a deep secret, 25 00:00:52,965 --> 00:00:54,745 which he believed, if revealed, 26 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:57,103 would end his career in an instant. 27 00:00:57,144 --> 00:01:00,414 I had no idea he was gay. 28 00:01:00,451 --> 00:01:04,021 Here was a guy twice my size that's just, 29 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,114 [mimicking raspy voice] always talking about, 30 00:01:06,153 --> 00:01:08,893 "Fuck the queers! I ain't got time for that!" 31 00:01:08,938 --> 00:01:12,118 That, to me, was like the greatest kept secret. 32 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,729 And, I'm one of Chris' best friends. 33 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:16,990 Concealing the truth became an obsession, 34 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:19,433 and his increasingly erratic behaviour 35 00:01:19,470 --> 00:01:21,300 deeply concerned and terrified 36 00:01:21,342 --> 00:01:23,132 those closest to him. 37 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:26,000 Then he started doing a bunch of crazy shit. 38 00:01:26,042 --> 00:01:27,572 The house would be destroyed, 39 00:01:27,609 --> 00:01:29,519 or my car would be destroyed, 40 00:01:29,567 --> 00:01:31,957 or my clothes would be torn up. 41 00:01:32,004 --> 00:01:33,534 And at that point, I was like, 42 00:01:33,571 --> 00:01:36,141 "You just tried to fucking kill me." 43 00:01:36,183 --> 00:01:38,193 Just holding onto a secret, 44 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:39,398 not being able to share it with your 45 00:01:39,447 --> 00:01:40,877 closest friends and family. 46 00:01:40,926 --> 00:01:43,536 Not being able to tell them who you really are, 47 00:01:43,581 --> 00:01:45,631 that must have killed him for so long. 48 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:47,930 Literally, it was an emotional rollercoaster. 49 00:01:47,977 --> 00:01:51,977 He was manic. Really just out of his mind. 50 00:01:52,024 --> 00:01:56,684 It was a painful thing to watch him disintegrate, really. 51 00:01:56,725 --> 00:02:00,155 His life played out the way he saw it, 52 00:02:00,207 --> 00:02:02,297 'cause we all manifest our own reality. 53 00:02:02,339 --> 00:02:12,439 ♪ 54 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,440 Who's better than Kanyon?! 55 00:02:15,483 --> 00:02:16,923 In the 90s, it was like 56 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:18,092 You had to have a catch phrase. 57 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,878 You had to have a catch phrase! 58 00:02:19,922 --> 00:02:21,272 [raspy voice] "Who better than Kanyon?" 59 00:02:21,315 --> 00:02:25,485 - "Who better!" - "Who better than Kanyon!" 60 00:02:25,536 --> 00:02:28,056 Who better than Kanyon? Nobody! 61 00:02:28,104 --> 00:02:29,584 Well, he shows me something different every time. 62 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:31,977 Kanyon has really revolutionized our sport. 63 00:02:32,021 --> 00:02:34,721 Brought in some moves that no one's even thought of. 64 00:02:34,763 --> 00:02:36,073 That was different. 65 00:02:36,112 --> 00:02:38,112 As far as guys I loved to be in the ring with 66 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:41,158 and dance, as we call it, haha... 67 00:02:41,204 --> 00:02:43,384 Chris Kanyon's the top 5%. 68 00:02:43,424 --> 00:02:45,254 'Cause it was just fun. 69 00:02:45,295 --> 00:02:47,775 It's me, it's DDP. 70 00:02:47,819 --> 00:02:49,519 Diamond Dallas Page. 71 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,650 Master of the Diamond Cutter. 72 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:53,223 [Cheering]. Oh! 73 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,130 I think he did the independent wrestling style 74 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,866 before anybody else. 75 00:02:57,916 --> 00:03:00,566 I'm Nick Jackson, this is my brother, Matt Jackson. 76 00:03:00,615 --> 00:03:01,875 We're The Young Bucks. 77 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,660 We're very good friends with Chris Kanyon. 78 00:03:04,706 --> 00:03:06,656 He doesn't realize so much of us, as kids, 79 00:03:06,708 --> 00:03:08,188 as teenagers, we watched Chris. 80 00:03:08,231 --> 00:03:10,801 The way that he took moves and the way he sold moves, 81 00:03:10,842 --> 00:03:12,712 and the way he strung along offense. 82 00:03:12,757 --> 00:03:15,107 You see another one of his innovative moves. 83 00:03:15,151 --> 00:03:16,371 There was something special about Chris. 84 00:03:16,413 --> 00:03:17,633 Everyone loved him. 85 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:19,545 And he was funny, and he was bright, 86 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:20,940 and he was witty. 87 00:03:20,983 --> 00:03:23,253 I would call him the King of Sunnyside, New York. 88 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:24,940 Hi, my name is Rafael Morffi. 89 00:03:24,987 --> 00:03:27,247 I'm a 20-year pro wrestling executive. 90 00:03:27,294 --> 00:03:29,384 I grew up with Chris Klucsarits, aka, 91 00:03:29,426 --> 00:03:32,166 Chris Kanyon, in Sunnyside, Queens, New York. 92 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:35,082 And I went to grammar school with Chris and high school, 93 00:03:35,127 --> 00:03:38,517 and as luck would have it, work with him at WWE. 94 00:03:38,566 --> 00:03:40,826 Middle class, blue collar area. 95 00:03:40,872 --> 00:03:43,222 A lot of Catholics. 96 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:45,786 In our parish, he would be in the corner with 97 00:03:45,834 --> 00:03:48,714 some of his friends, putting on these shows. 98 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:51,270 He adored wrestling. 99 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:53,408 I don't think he was ever comfortable 100 00:03:53,450 --> 00:03:56,410 about his sexual orientation. 101 00:03:56,453 --> 00:03:58,633 That comes from where he grew up, 102 00:03:58,673 --> 00:04:00,543 his religious beliefs. 103 00:04:00,588 --> 00:04:02,938 He had a struggle at our high school. 104 00:04:02,981 --> 00:04:05,901 He was overheard cursing his teacher and, 105 00:04:05,941 --> 00:04:08,681 sent him to the chaplain of our school. 106 00:04:08,726 --> 00:04:12,426 And he just blurted out, "I'm gay." You know, 107 00:04:12,469 --> 00:04:16,949 "Don't give into Satan, don't give into temptations." 108 00:04:16,995 --> 00:04:20,955 The animosity Chris had towards this person who told him that... 109 00:04:20,999 --> 00:04:25,789 Chris says, "That's who I am so, why is it wrong?" 110 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:28,960 I think it had a big effect on him. 111 00:04:29,007 --> 00:04:30,307 And really broke my heart. 112 00:04:30,357 --> 00:04:31,967 I was like, man, I wish I knew. 113 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:36,750 I wish I knew he was going through this. 114 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:39,448 So, when I first started hanging around with Kanyon, 115 00:04:39,496 --> 00:04:43,146 he presented himself as a guy from New York, 116 00:04:43,195 --> 00:04:46,415 a tough New York, you know, Queens guy, 117 00:04:46,460 --> 00:04:52,510 who was very Catholic and very anti-homosexual. 118 00:04:52,553 --> 00:04:56,863 I am The Sinister Minister, Father James Mitchell. 119 00:04:56,905 --> 00:05:00,295 I have been known as Daryl Van Horne in 120 00:05:00,343 --> 00:05:01,873 Smoky Mountain Wrestling. 121 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:03,350 I'm sure your mother's waiting for you in the tool shed! 122 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:06,870 I was known as James Vandenberg in WCW. 123 00:05:06,915 --> 00:05:08,565 ..and twist his body! 124 00:05:08,612 --> 00:05:13,232 He showed me this tape of him doing a match in the streets. 125 00:05:13,269 --> 00:05:15,919 I said, you know, "I could really do 126 00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:17,967 something with you, Kanyon. 127 00:05:18,013 --> 00:05:21,413 What we need to do is get you into a ring. 128 00:05:21,451 --> 00:05:24,501 And the only wrestling ring that I know of around here 129 00:05:24,541 --> 00:05:27,681 is the one that Fabulous Moolah has." 130 00:05:27,718 --> 00:05:31,028 Brought in the hard way by the fabulous one. 131 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:34,119 For over half a century, the Fabulous Moolah was 132 00:05:34,159 --> 00:05:36,639 one of the industry's leading power brokers, 133 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:40,434 controlling nearly all aspects of women's wrestling. 134 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:42,990 He was pretty marked out that he was 135 00:05:43,038 --> 00:05:45,258 in the presence of a legend. 136 00:05:45,301 --> 00:05:48,521 Moolah normally trained women. 137 00:05:48,565 --> 00:05:51,995 I had told him, "Just keep your mouth shut. 138 00:05:52,047 --> 00:05:55,827 Let me do the talking. Let me see if I can 139 00:05:55,877 --> 00:05:59,317 bullshit her, get you in the door." 140 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,669 She looked at him, she was very impressed. 141 00:06:01,709 --> 00:06:04,189 ♪ 142 00:06:04,233 --> 00:06:07,413 Moolah would run these tiny shows for her students. 143 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:10,374 Mae Young was there, and she would get in there all the time 144 00:06:10,413 --> 00:06:14,423 and jump on Kanyon and stomp the shit out of him. 145 00:06:14,461 --> 00:06:17,771 She'd rip big wads of hair out of his head. 146 00:06:17,812 --> 00:06:20,862 "Van! What's going on? This bitch is crazy! 147 00:06:20,902 --> 00:06:22,252 She's shooting on me!" I'm like, 148 00:06:22,294 --> 00:06:25,394 "Just put up with it. You'll be okay." 149 00:06:25,428 --> 00:06:27,038 By the mid 90s, 150 00:06:27,082 --> 00:06:30,222 Kanyon catches the attention of World Championship Wrestling, 151 00:06:30,259 --> 00:06:32,739 and is soon realizing his dream performing 152 00:06:32,783 --> 00:06:35,613 regularly on national television. 153 00:06:35,656 --> 00:06:38,616 I first met Chris when I went to WCW and, 154 00:06:38,659 --> 00:06:41,399 he used to be in a tag team called Men At Work where 155 00:06:41,444 --> 00:06:43,454 they used to go around and measure things 156 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:46,410 for no apparent reason. [Laughing] 157 00:06:46,449 --> 00:06:48,709 He started getting a little bit of steam because he had 158 00:06:48,756 --> 00:06:51,756 such a great reputation amongst the other wrestlers. 159 00:06:51,802 --> 00:06:54,892 He had this really super thick accent. 160 00:06:54,936 --> 00:06:56,456 He also had a little bit of a lisp, 161 00:06:56,503 --> 00:06:57,903 which used to bother him. 162 00:06:57,939 --> 00:07:00,249 He was always nervous to do a promo on air 'cause 163 00:07:00,289 --> 00:07:02,199 he was always kind of worried about his lisp. 164 00:07:02,247 --> 00:07:06,117 [Indistinct] ...and found to be condemned! 165 00:07:06,164 --> 00:07:08,694 Everyone saw the potential that he had to be top star, 166 00:07:08,732 --> 00:07:10,732 and that's when they started giving him a little bit more 167 00:07:10,778 --> 00:07:13,388 to do on the show and kind of expanding his role. 168 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,483 He was getting to live his dream. 169 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:21,092 This was a time when he was really happy. 170 00:07:21,136 --> 00:07:25,176 He went to pack up and go to Memphis, I believe. 171 00:07:25,227 --> 00:07:27,487 I get a phone call, and I see it on the caller ID and 172 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:29,844 I'm excited. Christopher Klucsarits, and I picked it up. 173 00:07:29,884 --> 00:07:32,584 "Kanyon! How are you doing?" He goes, 174 00:07:32,626 --> 00:07:34,756 "Van, I have something to tell you." 175 00:07:34,802 --> 00:07:36,242 "Okay, what's that?" 176 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:38,281 "I had one of those big U- Haul things, 177 00:07:38,327 --> 00:07:41,197 and my cousins were trying to move it. 178 00:07:41,243 --> 00:07:46,553 And Van, gay pornography exploded all over the street! 179 00:07:46,596 --> 00:07:49,506 It was like a piñata of gay porn! 180 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:51,596 And I panicked, and they said, 181 00:07:51,645 --> 00:07:53,335 'Kanyon, what the fuck is that'? 182 00:07:53,385 --> 00:07:55,735 And I said, 'That's Daryl Van Horne's! 183 00:07:55,779 --> 00:07:57,869 He, he, he pulls ribs on people. 184 00:07:57,912 --> 00:08:00,522 He's a sick motherfucker! He's probably gay, himself. 185 00:08:00,567 --> 00:08:02,047 I bet it's his!'". 186 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:05,090 So, that's how he came out to me. 187 00:08:05,136 --> 00:08:08,006 And I said, "Okay, so what?" He goes, 188 00:08:08,052 --> 00:08:10,272 "So, you need to call my cousin." 189 00:08:10,315 --> 00:08:13,745 And he had this very elaborate script written out where 190 00:08:13,797 --> 00:08:17,017 I couldn't be too obvious, but I had to say, 191 00:08:17,061 --> 00:08:20,501 "Hey, can you get me in touch with Kanyon because 192 00:08:20,543 --> 00:08:25,553 I left some materials with him." And the thing was, 193 00:08:25,592 --> 00:08:29,642 I was the only person Kanyon told he was gay. 194 00:08:29,683 --> 00:08:33,643 And, my job was to cover for him. 195 00:08:33,687 --> 00:08:36,857 What really was a huge break for Chris, 196 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:39,477 was they came up with this campaign. 197 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,039 Our world is about to change. 198 00:08:42,086 --> 00:08:44,996 The Blood Runs Cold story line casts wrestler 199 00:08:45,046 --> 00:08:46,956 Ray Lloyd as Glacier, 200 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:50,404 a character inspired by Mortal Combat's Sub Zero. 201 00:08:50,442 --> 00:08:53,972 While Kanyon emerges as his nemesis, Mortis, 202 00:08:54,011 --> 00:08:56,931 with Manager James Vandenberg at his side. 203 00:08:56,971 --> 00:08:59,711 That's the coolest mask gimmick ever. 204 00:08:59,756 --> 00:09:10,986 ♪ 205 00:09:11,028 --> 00:09:15,818 This was... a huge break. 206 00:09:15,859 --> 00:09:18,209 And it was a great combination with Vandenberg. 207 00:09:18,253 --> 00:09:20,523 "Vandenballs", he used to call him. 208 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,610 He used to torture Vandenballs, man. 209 00:09:22,649 --> 00:09:24,649 He was vicious. 210 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:26,744 He was vicious. [Laughing] 211 00:09:26,783 --> 00:09:31,533 But, Vandenballs never has a career without Chris Kanyon. 212 00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:33,751 And he loved Vandenballs, he loved him. 213 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:37,450 - [Cheering] - Oh! 214 00:09:37,489 --> 00:09:39,749 Oh! That was right in the chest! 215 00:09:39,796 --> 00:09:43,706 We were celebrating a great victory or something. 216 00:09:43,757 --> 00:09:46,107 I went to turn the car on, and it wouldn't start. 217 00:09:46,150 --> 00:09:48,850 He started screaming, and yelling, and cursing at me. 218 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:51,162 I go, "Kanyon, it's not a big deal. 219 00:09:51,199 --> 00:09:52,679 I'll call a taxi, whatever." 220 00:09:52,722 --> 00:09:54,332 And, he just started increasing it. 221 00:09:54,376 --> 00:09:55,596 Anyhow, the car starts. 222 00:09:55,638 --> 00:09:57,288 So, now we're riding home to Atlanta. 223 00:09:57,335 --> 00:10:00,335 The whole time, he's throwing elbows in my face going, 224 00:10:00,382 --> 00:10:02,952 "You motherfucker! I fucking hate you! 225 00:10:02,993 --> 00:10:06,393 You fucking piece of shit!" I'm just going, "What? 226 00:10:06,431 --> 00:10:08,871 What's wrong with you, man?" 227 00:10:08,912 --> 00:10:12,742 And we got to the parking garage. He kicked, 228 00:10:12,786 --> 00:10:16,786 actually kicked my fucking passenger door open. 229 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:18,753 "You motherfucker!" 230 00:10:18,792 --> 00:10:23,582 And he began to kick out every headlight, brake light. 231 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,453 Jumped up and down on the hood. 232 00:10:25,494 --> 00:10:29,984 Totally destroyed my car. Bashed the glass out of it. 233 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:32,110 "Get the fuck out of here! I hate you. 234 00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:33,593 I never want to see you again! 235 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,463 If I didn't have a lisp, I would never have anything to 236 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:39,935 do with you, 'cause I can't do a promo." 237 00:10:39,987 --> 00:10:42,987 And then, I looked at him, I let it sit for a minute. 238 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:47,653 And I went... "Okay." 239 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:49,520 "That's a hell of a thing to say to the only guy 240 00:10:49,561 --> 00:10:51,351 who knows your secret identity." 241 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:53,169 ♪ 242 00:10:58,788 --> 00:11:01,748 As Chris Kanyon reaches new heights wrestling for 243 00:11:01,791 --> 00:11:04,191 one of the industry's top promotions, 244 00:11:04,228 --> 00:11:06,668 he becomes even more paranoid about his 245 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:10,369 colleagues discovering his innermost secret. 246 00:11:10,408 --> 00:11:14,018 If you were gay back then, you were a bad guy. 247 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:15,724 You were a heel. 248 00:11:15,762 --> 00:11:17,982 You were the guy that you would do the Sunset Flip 249 00:11:18,025 --> 00:11:19,025 and they would pull your pants down, 250 00:11:19,069 --> 00:11:20,769 you'd have a thong on. 251 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:22,510 Look at this! [Laughing] 252 00:11:22,551 --> 00:11:24,121 [Cheering] 253 00:11:24,161 --> 00:11:27,691 Back in those days, it just wasn't as accepted as it is now. 254 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:30,910 Oh, my gosh! A man kissing another man! 255 00:11:30,951 --> 00:11:32,261 I can't believe it! 256 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,740 Absolutely, I'm sure Kanyon was worried about 257 00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:35,040 how that would be presented. 258 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:36,775 Oh, my god! Oh! 259 00:11:36,826 --> 00:11:38,086 Wait a minute. 260 00:11:38,132 --> 00:11:40,612 It wasn't gonna be a positive thing. 261 00:11:40,656 --> 00:11:43,396 My name is Brian Cage. Current AEW wrestler. 262 00:11:43,441 --> 00:11:45,441 Big time fan, very close friend, 263 00:11:45,487 --> 00:11:48,747 and also unofficial trainee of Chris Kanyon. 264 00:11:48,795 --> 00:11:51,925 Just because of the creative control that wrestling 265 00:11:51,972 --> 00:11:53,452 could have, you know, that easily could have 266 00:11:53,495 --> 00:11:55,105 lost him his job, for sure. 267 00:11:55,149 --> 00:11:58,759 He had what looked like a control center. 268 00:11:58,805 --> 00:12:02,455 He would spend days trolling for boyfriends. 269 00:12:02,504 --> 00:12:05,774 He had all these long winded conversations with guys, 270 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:07,642 and he would print everything out. 271 00:12:07,683 --> 00:12:09,473 Alphabetize them, organize them. 272 00:12:09,511 --> 00:12:13,301 And he would put them in this little metal box. 273 00:12:13,341 --> 00:12:16,391 So, you'd have the usual suspects come running in 274 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:19,391 and, they'd ask what was in the box. 275 00:12:19,434 --> 00:12:20,914 He'd say, "None of your fucking business!" 276 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:23,257 And he started getting really paranoid about the box, 277 00:12:23,307 --> 00:12:25,567 to a point, I started calling it Pandora's Box. 278 00:12:25,614 --> 00:12:28,754 I said, "Kanyon, why do you have this? 279 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:31,231 You're worried about being outed as being gay, 280 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:34,582 but this is like Nixon keeping Watergate tapes." 281 00:12:34,623 --> 00:12:37,973 Maybe he wanted somebody to knock it over just like 282 00:12:38,018 --> 00:12:40,798 his gay porn fell out of the U-Haul thing 283 00:12:40,847 --> 00:12:44,627 with his cousin, you know. That could have been it. 284 00:12:44,676 --> 00:12:47,506 What was great about the Mortis character for Chris, 285 00:12:47,549 --> 00:12:50,329 was that you could hide behind the mask. 286 00:12:50,378 --> 00:12:52,818 And, little did I know that he was hiding 287 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:54,769 behind a mask the whole time. 288 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:58,517 Mortis really gave him that power to grow. 289 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,130 What a move, what a move! 290 00:13:00,170 --> 00:13:02,690 And then a little thing happened called... 291 00:13:02,738 --> 00:13:06,828 the N.W.O. 292 00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:08,353 What is he doing? 293 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:10,306 Is he the third man?! 294 00:13:10,354 --> 00:13:12,844 You can call this the 295 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:16,709 New World Order of wrestling, brother. 296 00:13:16,752 --> 00:13:19,622 And I will never forget Kanyon. 297 00:13:19,668 --> 00:13:23,798 He looked at me, he goes, "Our push is dead." 298 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,276 And he was right. The NWO took over the world. 299 00:13:26,327 --> 00:13:28,067 I hope it's okay because 300 00:13:28,111 --> 00:13:30,291 there's nothing you can do about it! 301 00:13:30,331 --> 00:13:33,251 All of that gimmicky character-based 302 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:35,680 wresting stuff went out the window. 303 00:13:35,727 --> 00:13:39,077 We're on reality-based wrestling, not cartoons. 304 00:13:39,122 --> 00:13:40,782 He started getting really frustrated about it. 305 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:43,520 You just opened Pandora's Box! 306 00:13:43,561 --> 00:13:46,091 The stress off it started making him 307 00:13:46,129 --> 00:13:48,869 really lash out at me for no reason. 308 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:51,695 One night, he went off on me. 309 00:13:51,743 --> 00:13:55,623 "You motherfucker!" And started choking me, 310 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:59,880 like this, with the thumbs on the Adam's apple, 311 00:13:59,926 --> 00:14:04,496 to the point that I, I blacked out. 312 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:06,849 And I started coming to and I was hearing, 313 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:08,409 "You mother... you motherfucker!" 314 00:14:08,456 --> 00:14:11,456 And then he, he looked down at me and he goes, 315 00:14:11,502 --> 00:14:13,942 "Oh, Van, fuck... [gasping] 316 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:15,293 What am I doing? I'm so sorry! 317 00:14:15,332 --> 00:14:17,122 I, I fucking love you. I'm fucking sorry." 318 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,160 And he started kissing my forehead and shit. 319 00:14:19,206 --> 00:14:21,766 And, you know, and I was loyal to him, 320 00:14:21,817 --> 00:14:24,117 and I loved him, and he, he helped me so much. 321 00:14:24,167 --> 00:14:28,037 But, there's no reason to be beating my ass. 322 00:14:28,084 --> 00:14:31,744 You know, he had to release his steam and he couldn't 323 00:14:31,783 --> 00:14:35,353 act that way in front of other people. 324 00:14:35,396 --> 00:14:37,656 With the Mortis storyline now over, 325 00:14:37,702 --> 00:14:40,922 Chris grows anxious about his future with the company. 326 00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:43,057 But WCW finds him a new role. 327 00:14:43,099 --> 00:14:45,749 - That's, that's Mortis! - Oh, my... 328 00:14:45,797 --> 00:14:47,667 You know, we haven't seen Mortis for months. 329 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:49,192 Now without a mask, 330 00:14:49,236 --> 00:14:51,846 he is reintroduced to fans as Kanyon. 331 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:53,501 Now we can see Chris. 332 00:14:53,544 --> 00:14:56,164 We can see, 'cause he looks, he's a good looking dude. 333 00:14:56,199 --> 00:14:57,939 You know, he's got swag. 334 00:14:57,984 --> 00:15:02,424 Now he's got a different level of confidence. 335 00:15:02,466 --> 00:15:05,296 Who's better than Kanyon? 336 00:15:05,339 --> 00:15:08,299 Eric Bischoff had a lot of faith in Chris Kanyon. 337 00:15:08,342 --> 00:15:11,392 I mean, he sent him to do Ready to Rumble. 338 00:15:11,432 --> 00:15:15,222 That match, everything, all that's Chris Kanyon. 339 00:15:15,262 --> 00:15:19,182 That generation loved Ready to Rumble. 340 00:15:19,222 --> 00:15:21,362 It's the best wrestling movie of all time. 341 00:15:21,398 --> 00:15:23,048 [Laughing] 342 00:15:23,096 --> 00:15:25,186 Kanyon helped teach David Arquette 343 00:15:25,228 --> 00:15:26,528 how to wrestle and how to take the bumps. 344 00:15:26,577 --> 00:15:28,617 And then he even took some of the stunts. 345 00:15:28,666 --> 00:15:30,096 He was a stunt double in the, 346 00:15:30,146 --> 00:15:32,756 in the film, itself. 347 00:15:32,801 --> 00:15:35,761 Someone came up with the three-level cage match. 348 00:15:35,804 --> 00:15:40,904 And then it was his idea to use that cage in actual WCW match. 349 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:43,640 Chris took a bump from the top from Mike Awesome, 350 00:15:43,681 --> 00:15:45,161 big moment. 351 00:15:45,205 --> 00:15:46,815 - Oh! - [Match bell chiming] 352 00:15:46,858 --> 00:15:47,948 It was just great to see him. 353 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:49,340 Like, he's in the mix. 354 00:15:49,383 --> 00:15:51,783 He would make fun of me all the time. 355 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:54,650 He would do his DDP impersonation. 356 00:15:54,692 --> 00:15:56,612 He was having such a good time with it. 357 00:15:56,651 --> 00:15:57,831 Bang! 358 00:15:57,869 --> 00:16:00,699 WCW had the money to spend on these guys. 359 00:16:00,742 --> 00:16:02,572 Chris probably went from making, you know, 360 00:16:02,613 --> 00:16:04,573 100 bucks a day to making, you know, what, 361 00:16:04,615 --> 00:16:06,135 3, 4, 500 grand a year. 362 00:16:06,182 --> 00:16:08,232 He was spending it, but in a good way. 363 00:16:08,271 --> 00:16:11,801 He loved to play lord bountiful 364 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,060 and put on the best parties. 365 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:18,244 He turned his house into 366 00:16:18,281 --> 00:16:21,071 a beach bar nightclub. 367 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:26,030 Like, literally. He brought in sand. 368 00:16:26,072 --> 00:16:28,472 The women were crawling on him. 369 00:16:28,509 --> 00:16:31,289 I'm not kidding. Crawling on him. 370 00:16:31,338 --> 00:16:33,428 And he completely no sells it. 371 00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:35,560 And, one of the girls one night, 372 00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:36,873 comes over to me and she goes, 373 00:16:36,908 --> 00:16:40,038 "I think your friend might be gay." 374 00:16:40,086 --> 00:16:44,046 And I told him that. He got really paranoid then. 375 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:46,400 ♪ 376 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,880 So, he had assigned me to 377 00:16:49,921 --> 00:16:53,271 make a pornographic video of him 378 00:16:53,316 --> 00:16:58,496 that he could show the boys as proof that he was straight. 379 00:16:58,539 --> 00:16:59,929 "Find a whore. 380 00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:02,495 Here's the room and here's my video camera. 381 00:17:02,543 --> 00:17:04,723 Here's the script. 382 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:07,072 I'll be there about midnight." 383 00:17:07,113 --> 00:17:08,903 And he never showed up. 384 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:10,550 One o'clock, two o'clock, whatever. 385 00:17:10,594 --> 00:17:13,824 So, nature took its course. 386 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:16,428 Long story short, we followed his script. 387 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:19,690 And the girl was wearing the Mortis mask, okay. 388 00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:22,484 ♪ 389 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:24,779 In the morning, we're in the hotel room, 390 00:17:24,826 --> 00:17:29,046 and I pop the tape in. Kanyon laughed at first, 391 00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:32,881 and then you could see him start getting furious. 392 00:17:32,921 --> 00:17:36,621 And he ran in the bathroom, and out of nowhere he goes, 393 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:39,714 "You motherfucker! You used my hair conditioner!" 394 00:17:39,754 --> 00:17:42,714 I was like, "Kanyon, I don't even have fucking 395 00:17:42,757 --> 00:17:45,057 three pieces of hair on my head." 396 00:17:45,107 --> 00:17:46,667 And he's just amping it up and I, 397 00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:49,017 and I started seeing... 398 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:51,328 the things that led to me getting choked. 399 00:17:51,374 --> 00:17:57,994 However, I had a 45 pistol under the pillow. 400 00:17:58,033 --> 00:17:59,863 And he hit me with both fists in the chest and 401 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,304 I flew over the bed. 402 00:18:01,341 --> 00:18:03,341 I hit the ground and I came right back up, 403 00:18:03,386 --> 00:18:04,906 slid across, put my hand under the pillow, 404 00:18:04,953 --> 00:18:07,043 picked up the gun and I went, "Fuck you! 405 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,216 You hit me again, you're fucking dead!" 406 00:18:09,262 --> 00:18:10,652 Now shit's on. 407 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:13,828 Kanyon grabs the four pieces of Charlie Brown hair 408 00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:16,135 I have on top of my head: "Put down the gun!" 409 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:18,622 And I'm going, "I've had enough of this shit! 410 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:20,932 You're too fucking big, you motherfucker! 411 00:18:20,969 --> 00:18:23,009 What the fuck did I do to deserve this shit?" 412 00:18:23,058 --> 00:18:27,798 And, and then, it hit me like, this shit's out of control. 413 00:18:27,845 --> 00:18:30,325 This is my, one of my best friends. 414 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:32,330 So, we let it diffuse. 415 00:18:34,287 --> 00:18:36,197 Oh, yeah, yeah, I was. 416 00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:38,195 I had looked up all the statutes on, 417 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:42,427 you know, reasonable fear of life, and whatnot. 418 00:18:42,469 --> 00:18:43,909 I mean, it wasn't something I wanted to do, 419 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:45,388 but I was like, you know, the next time this guy 420 00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:48,738 starts that Adam's apple business... 421 00:18:50,912 --> 00:18:52,652 I was prepared to shoot him. 422 00:18:52,696 --> 00:18:54,916 ♪ 423 00:18:58,746 --> 00:19:01,176 Although Chris Kanyon's paranoia continues to 424 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,797 manifest in violent outbursts, his career is about to 425 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:07,759 peak in a way he never dreamed possible. 426 00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:10,498 Chris Kanyon took prominence right when 427 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:12,410 the industry was having a great boom. 428 00:19:12,455 --> 00:19:16,065 Then, you know, WWE bought out WCW. 429 00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:17,771 You know, they really believed in him. 430 00:19:17,808 --> 00:19:20,068 And Chris writes in his book, you know, 431 00:19:20,115 --> 00:19:21,765 Vince pulled him aside and said, 432 00:19:21,812 --> 00:19:23,252 "You have really adjusted well here, 433 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:24,602 and we have big plans for you." 434 00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,381 And he ended up being a double champion 435 00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:27,776 the first two months or so. 436 00:19:27,818 --> 00:19:29,988 He was a tag champion, and he was the US champion. 437 00:19:30,038 --> 00:19:32,688 Who better than Kanyon and DDP, and-- 438 00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:33,956 Who better? 439 00:19:33,998 --> 00:19:36,828 You know, I thought he was in a great spot. 440 00:19:36,871 --> 00:19:39,961 I mean, I thought he was gonna shine. 441 00:19:40,004 --> 00:19:44,104 But, you know, it's like anything, you know, 442 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:47,059 you don't know what you don't know. 443 00:19:47,098 --> 00:19:49,408 Kanyon would invite me to come up and stay with him. 444 00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:50,669 I'd stay with him two, three weeks. 445 00:19:50,711 --> 00:19:52,451 Sometimes a month at a time. 446 00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:56,145 He would spend two or three days sitting on the floor, 447 00:19:56,195 --> 00:20:00,365 stacking and restacking papers. 448 00:20:00,416 --> 00:20:03,376 I'd say, "What are you doing?" "I'm working on my taxes." 449 00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:05,159 But he wasn't working on his taxes. 450 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:10,344 He was just taking piles of notices from the IRS and 451 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:15,263 things like that and just moving them around, like... 452 00:20:15,301 --> 00:20:19,701 He would stay in bed for 6 and 7 days 453 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:21,740 after he's invited me there. 454 00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:26,525 I'd just be sitting in his house for days, and days, and days. 455 00:20:26,573 --> 00:20:29,583 I didn't understand depression. 456 00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:34,359 I'd say, "What the fuck do you have to be depressed about? 457 00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:37,447 You're on fucking WWE, you're in movies. 458 00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:38,927 You got money." 459 00:20:38,976 --> 00:20:41,756 He couldn't articulate it to me further than, you know, 460 00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:43,625 "You don't know what it's like to be in my head. 461 00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:45,027 You think everybody loves me. 462 00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:46,459 I don't think they do." 463 00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:51,686 ♪ 464 00:20:51,728 --> 00:20:53,508 Then he got hurt. 465 00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:56,076 He got his shoulder injured, 466 00:20:56,124 --> 00:20:58,784 and he was worried that he was gonna get fired. 467 00:20:58,822 --> 00:21:02,652 You build a program, then you get hurt. 468 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:05,176 It's really hard to come back from. 469 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:09,010 He took steroids for one of the few times 470 00:21:09,050 --> 00:21:10,790 I was ever aware of it 471 00:21:10,834 --> 00:21:13,104 to try to rehab his injury. 472 00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:15,491 And I guess he was depressed for a few days and 473 00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,095 left a needle out. 474 00:21:17,145 --> 00:21:21,275 And he got some sort of horrible blood infection and, 475 00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:22,853 and he lost a bunch of weight, 476 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,590 and he was really worried that... 477 00:21:25,632 --> 00:21:27,722 they would let him go. 478 00:21:27,764 --> 00:21:30,514 Kanyon spends the next year and a half recovering 479 00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:32,860 from his injuries while also struggling with 480 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:34,510 his mental health. 481 00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:36,694 Determined to come back better than before, 482 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:39,340 he's finally offered a role that he believes will get 483 00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:41,465 his career back on track. 484 00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:43,997 He had told me he was gonna be at Smackdown. 485 00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:46,481 And he had a role, a big one. 486 00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:49,092 It was a moment for him to be involved with 487 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:52,183 two huge names in the industry, The Undertaker, 488 00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,833 who was very high on Chris. 489 00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:55,487 Thought Chris had a lot of potential. 490 00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:56,841 And, Paul Heyman, 491 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,930 who's presenting The Undertaker with a gift. 492 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:01,099 ...The Undertaker in a box... 493 00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:02,925 Whenever WWE came to town in southern California, 494 00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:04,673 we were at the shows, no matter what. 495 00:22:04,714 --> 00:22:06,934 I remember Chris was hiding in like a giant, 496 00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:09,277 of course, in pro wrestling, a giant present. 497 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:13,458 At some point, Kanyon was directed to come out of a big 498 00:22:13,506 --> 00:22:16,806 wooden box dressed as Boy George and singing, 499 00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:18,727 'Do You Really Want to Hurt Me', 500 00:22:18,772 --> 00:22:21,912 and he was told to do it with a lisp. 501 00:22:21,949 --> 00:22:27,559 ♪ Do you 'weally' want to make me cry? ♪ 502 00:22:27,607 --> 00:22:32,387 - Boy George? - Do you really want to hurt me! 503 00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:33,868 And we're like, "Oh, my god, it's Kanyon!" 504 00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:35,047 'Cause we were such Kanyon fans. 505 00:22:35,092 --> 00:22:36,922 We're just popping from our seats. 506 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:38,844 We're like, "We didn't know he was gonna be here!" 507 00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:40,839 ♪ ...me cry. 508 00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:42,401 Where's Brother Love when you need him? 509 00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,888 But then he just got destroyed, right? 510 00:22:44,928 --> 00:22:47,498 [Indistinct shouting] 511 00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:48,890 And Kanyon! 512 00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:51,072 Welcome back to the WWE. 513 00:22:51,108 --> 00:22:52,938 It was really violent. 514 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:54,500 A chair! 515 00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:56,237 And I remember, like, I was smart to the business even, 516 00:22:56,287 --> 00:22:59,937 I think, I remember thinking to myself, like, this is terrible. 517 00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:01,637 Oh! 518 00:23:01,684 --> 00:23:04,994 Why did they bring Kanyon out just to kill him like that? 519 00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:07,645 [Indistinct shouting & screaming] 520 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,430 He's a human being! 521 00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:11,515 What was that, like a chair shot to the head or something? 522 00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,704 It was like a terrible chair shot to the head. 523 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:14,780 Oh! 524 00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:16,868 Wow, did you hear that? 525 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:20,567 Unfortunately, I did. Man, that was a nasty... 526 00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:22,136 It's pretty obvious. 527 00:23:22,183 --> 00:23:23,453 He had never done anything like that. 528 00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:24,789 Just out of the blue one day he comes out and 529 00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:27,058 is expected to sing like Boy George. 530 00:23:27,101 --> 00:23:28,361 Like, I mean, come on. 531 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,147 Somebody found something out or heard something, 532 00:23:30,191 --> 00:23:32,591 or said, "Let's put this guy to task." 533 00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:37,588 And it's a bullying WWE trick. Why else would you do that? 534 00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:40,643 I think that really did hurt him. 535 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,460 To this day, I'm not gonna buy it 536 00:23:42,508 --> 00:23:44,898 that they wanted to humiliate him. Sorry. 537 00:23:44,945 --> 00:23:48,295 WWE's not gonna have someone trained to come back 538 00:23:48,339 --> 00:23:51,299 for a year to humiliate him on national TV. 539 00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,002 That's not gonna happen. 540 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,300 It just didn't work out creatively. 541 00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:57,996 And then he started being... 542 00:23:58,045 --> 00:24:01,175 depositioned or pushed down a card. 543 00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:02,702 You know who's better than Kanyon? 544 00:24:02,745 --> 00:24:05,485 I want to know. Tell me, please. 545 00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:08,401 Everybody! Woo! 546 00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,187 This happens a lot of times in the WWE. 547 00:24:10,231 --> 00:24:12,761 You get kind of slotted in a certain position and 548 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,319 it's hard to dig yourself out of it. 549 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:17,276 They didn't feel it was enough to keep him on so, 550 00:24:17,325 --> 00:24:18,805 they let him go. 551 00:24:18,848 --> 00:24:21,548 ♪ 552 00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:23,550 Kanyon claimed to me, at first, 553 00:24:23,592 --> 00:24:26,902 that the office was punishing him for being gay. 554 00:24:26,943 --> 00:24:29,733 But then he told me later that was all bullshit. 555 00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,302 A knee injury, a shoulder injury. 556 00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:33,249 He can't get back on track. 557 00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:35,597 And he was just using it as an ace in the hole 558 00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:38,518 to cover his ass if he ever had to sue them. 559 00:24:38,564 --> 00:24:41,484 And he became what I guess you call in literature, 560 00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,573 an unreliable narrator. 561 00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:47,092 I couldn't tell what was true and what wasn't. 562 00:24:47,137 --> 00:24:49,527 And Orlando Jordan beats Kanyon! 563 00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:52,315 But, you know, Kanyon in a lot of ways towards the 564 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,670 last few years of his life could be his own worst enemy. 565 00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:57,890 ♪ 566 00:25:01,630 --> 00:25:04,420 Devastated by his release from the WWE, 567 00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:06,899 Chris Kanyon finds meaning in mentoring 568 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:09,730 a new generation of wrestling stars. 569 00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:12,689 It was about 2005 when we got booked on a bigger show... 570 00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,948 We saw Chris Kanyon was on the list and we couldn't believe it. 571 00:25:15,992 --> 00:25:18,522 He was one of our heroes, legitimate heroes. 572 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,210 Here we are, we're just these kids. 573 00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:24,167 - I'm probably 19? - Yeah, and I'm 15, 16. 574 00:25:24,218 --> 00:25:25,568 We're like teenage voices: 575 00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:26,741 [high pitch voice] "Hi, I'm Matt. 576 00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:28,826 This is my brother, Nick." All nervous. 577 00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:31,355 We hit it off, you know, right off the bat. 578 00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:34,749 Imagine this guy that you watched on television for years. 579 00:25:34,794 --> 00:25:39,844 Now he's your friend, and he's, you know, calling you every day. 580 00:25:39,886 --> 00:25:41,576 He had called me at one time and he goes, 581 00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:42,757 "Hey, are you guys having a show? 582 00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:44,192 'Cause, I'm kind of in the area. 583 00:25:44,238 --> 00:25:45,628 I could come work one of your shows if you're there." 584 00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:46,894 And I was like, "Holy crap. 585 00:25:46,936 --> 00:25:48,586 Well, we're doing a show now!" 586 00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,774 Chris Kanyon, the Innovator of Offense. 587 00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:52,200 Who better, nobody's better! 588 00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:54,936 He came out to a big pop, you know, the big star. 589 00:25:54,988 --> 00:25:58,298 And he buries the crowd, super good heel, mic work. 590 00:25:58,339 --> 00:25:59,859 I'm gonna beat ya, and then I'm gonna 591 00:25:59,906 --> 00:26:04,166 leave this stupid hick town and never, ever come back. 592 00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:05,654 - [Booing] - Shut up! 593 00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:07,704 I didn't want to go, I didn't want to go over at all. 594 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,390 And he goes, "Kid, this is your promotion, 595 00:26:09,437 --> 00:26:11,397 your hometown. Like, you gotta go over, 596 00:26:11,439 --> 00:26:12,749 it's gonna get the better reaction." 597 00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:14,658 I was like, "Okay, fine." He goes to pick me up, 598 00:26:14,703 --> 00:26:18,753 I slip out the back door, and I roll him up, 1, 2, 3. 599 00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:20,714 Still to this day, it's one of my top three favourite, 600 00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:22,363 not like matches in wrestling, 601 00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,666 but probably one of my top three favourite moments in my life. 602 00:26:24,713 --> 00:26:26,933 And he was such a giving, selfless guy. 603 00:26:26,976 --> 00:26:29,676 Maybe for this one night, you're better than Kanyon. 604 00:26:29,718 --> 00:26:31,888 [Cheering] 605 00:26:31,938 --> 00:26:33,328 Chris Kanyon was the person that would, 606 00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:36,124 honestly, give you the shirt off his back. 607 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,639 He was a great person, yeah. 608 00:26:37,683 --> 00:26:40,033 Chris was a, Chris was a great person. 609 00:26:40,076 --> 00:26:42,466 My name is Luke Hawx. I'm a professional wrestler, 610 00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:44,953 and also a dear friend of Chris Kanyon. 611 00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:46,524 As you can see, such a dear friend, 612 00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:49,561 you see, I have Mortis tattooed on my arm right here. 613 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:53,348 2005, Katrina hit, and I was in Louisiana. 614 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:54,574 It was the worst hurricane of all time, 615 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,533 completely wiped out the city. 616 00:26:56,571 --> 00:26:58,621 Kanyon called me up and he, 617 00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:00,100 he was the first person to call me. 618 00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:02,010 And he goes, "If you need a place to live, 619 00:27:02,055 --> 00:27:04,185 you can come live with me as long as you need to. 620 00:27:04,231 --> 00:27:07,361 No charge." So, Chris would go through these stages 621 00:27:07,408 --> 00:27:10,018 where he would stay up for three or four days at a time. 622 00:27:10,063 --> 00:27:12,333 Keep in mind, we're in Clearwater Beach and, 623 00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:15,589 the headquarters for Scientology is not far away. 624 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,294 So, he said he had just got home, 625 00:27:18,332 --> 00:27:19,592 and he went left, 626 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:23,078 and he was driving on this bridge for hours. 627 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,029 And he was trying to get to the scientology building, 628 00:27:25,078 --> 00:27:26,948 and I think he said he'd seen aliens or 629 00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:28,693 aliens had stopped him. 630 00:27:28,734 --> 00:27:30,744 ♪ 631 00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:32,519 Which never happened because 632 00:27:32,563 --> 00:27:34,523 he was home with us the whole time. 633 00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:35,825 So, he starts freaking out. 634 00:27:35,871 --> 00:27:37,481 He's like, "I gotta break into this building. 635 00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:42,005 I gotta go in that building. I know the aliens are in there." 636 00:27:42,051 --> 00:27:45,971 I told the guys, I said, "We can't let him leave." 637 00:27:46,012 --> 00:27:48,802 ♪ 638 00:27:48,841 --> 00:27:50,281 We gotta hold him down. 639 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,540 We're gonna have to tie him up and lock him in a room. 640 00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:54,543 We can't let him leave until he calms down and goes 641 00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:56,405 to sleep 'cause we knew once he went to sleep, 642 00:27:56,457 --> 00:27:58,017 he would wake up and he would be fine. 643 00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:59,977 And that's exactly what happened. 644 00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:03,456 He woke up, didn't even remember it happening. 645 00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:07,467 ♪ 646 00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:10,731 Kanyon eventually begins treatment for bipolar disorder, 647 00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:13,076 and finally feels empowered to open up 648 00:28:13,126 --> 00:28:14,906 about his sexuality. 649 00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:16,704 He says, "I need to tell you something." 650 00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:18,698 And I go, "Okay, what's up?" 651 00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:20,050 His tone was different, 652 00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,399 and he was more serious and, and I'm just like, 653 00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:24,089 "Is everything okay, man?" 654 00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:26,007 "I just don't know how you're gonna react to this." 655 00:28:26,052 --> 00:28:27,792 I'm like, "Dude, just tell me." 656 00:28:27,836 --> 00:28:30,396 And he finally spits it out, he's like, "Kid..." 657 00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:36,057 "I'm gay." And, I said, "Okay." 658 00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:39,845 And he goes, "You don't hate me?" 659 00:28:39,892 --> 00:28:41,762 I said, "Hate why, why would I hate you?" 660 00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,107 He goes, "'Cause I'm gay." 661 00:28:43,156 --> 00:28:45,506 And just to be honest, especially at that time, 662 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:47,379 that day and age, I was a little bummed out about it. 663 00:28:47,421 --> 00:28:51,211 I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "Kanyon's gay?" 664 00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:53,991 Then I started thinking about it. I go, wait a minute, 665 00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:56,126 that doesn't change anything. Like, 666 00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:58,429 I'm, I'm really thankful for that opportunity now, too, 667 00:28:58,475 --> 00:29:01,165 because I really think that made me... 668 00:29:01,217 --> 00:29:03,787 like, open my eyes and become a lot more like 669 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:06,009 understanding and tolerant towards a lot of things 670 00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:08,358 because it was like that quick, like, 671 00:29:08,398 --> 00:29:09,618 within a minute I went from like, 672 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,710 "Oh, man," to like, "Oh, wait, who cares?" 673 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,880 We were all kind of happy for him 'cause by this time, 674 00:29:13,926 --> 00:29:19,056 his career wasn't where he dreamed it could be. 675 00:29:19,105 --> 00:29:21,405 He had been discussing, on and off, 676 00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:23,715 being an openly gay wrestler. 677 00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:27,982 He wanted to really be a role model in doing it, 678 00:29:28,027 --> 00:29:32,467 but the, the issue was how do you portray that. 679 00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:35,469 He came out of the closet at an independent show 680 00:29:35,512 --> 00:29:37,562 where he was wrestling Diamond Dallas. 681 00:29:37,601 --> 00:29:42,431 And right now, one of the most controversial wrestlers... 682 00:29:42,476 --> 00:29:43,866 The question I got for you, my brother... 683 00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:45,832 You gonna pop the question? Uh-oh. 684 00:29:45,871 --> 00:29:48,441 The rumour that's going around is... 685 00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:50,142 Are you gay? 686 00:29:50,179 --> 00:29:52,049 He figured that it would be a big deal. 687 00:29:52,094 --> 00:29:54,924 The rumours are true. I'm gay. 688 00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:58,877 I am the first ever openly gay professional athlete 689 00:29:58,927 --> 00:30:00,797 active in this country. 690 00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:03,502 You will always be my brother. 691 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,630 The thing was, we're now in 2006. 692 00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:07,984 And nobody cared. 693 00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:11,033 It was kind of like too little too late. 694 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:16,250 Orlando Jordan had been put on television and, 695 00:30:16,292 --> 00:30:19,382 they were gonna announce him as an openly gay wrestler. 696 00:30:19,426 --> 00:30:22,686 And Kanyon lost his mind about that. 697 00:30:22,733 --> 00:30:25,613 "They're taking my gimmick! They're taking my gimmick!" 698 00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:27,169 And I would say, 699 00:30:27,216 --> 00:30:30,786 "Well, you don't have a patent or trademark on being gay, 700 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,609 and you didn't bring it up to them before." 701 00:30:33,657 --> 00:30:36,617 He wrote a letter to Stephanie McMahon saying, 702 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,880 "Please, let me be the spokesman. 703 00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,315 I think I can help kids that need to come out," 704 00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:44,803 and things like that. 705 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,323 Stephanie wrote him back this pithy little response, 706 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,057 "I'm so sorry to hear about your struggles. 707 00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:50,458 I didn't know about any of this, 708 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,330 but before I can address your other issues 709 00:30:52,372 --> 00:30:55,682 I have to talk to legal," legal department or something. 710 00:30:55,723 --> 00:30:57,993 And, he never heard back from it after that. 711 00:30:58,030 --> 00:31:01,640 A few years prior, Kanyon had already sealed his fate with 712 00:31:01,685 --> 00:31:05,335 the WWE by attempting a series of ill-conceived 713 00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:08,205 stunts in the hopes of getting their attention. 714 00:31:08,257 --> 00:31:10,907 I was WWE's MSG promoter. 715 00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,696 You know, Chris Benoit just wins his world title. 716 00:31:13,741 --> 00:31:16,141 You had Eddie Guerrero in the ring. 717 00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:17,918 So, you know, I'm on the floor. 718 00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:21,233 So, this is about a few minutes after we were off air. 719 00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:25,100 I look in the corner of my eye and I see Chris 720 00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:27,674 jump in the ring, go to the turnbuckle... 721 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,851 ♪ 722 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:33,459 That was some odd behaviour from him. 723 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,200 You know, I had to ask myself, 724 00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:36,981 what, you know, what's going on here? 725 00:31:37,025 --> 00:31:39,805 Later that night, the WWE was kind enough 726 00:31:39,854 --> 00:31:43,684 to invite him to the after party. 727 00:31:43,727 --> 00:31:45,287 He goes, "Oh, and by the way, I just went over to, 728 00:31:45,338 --> 00:31:46,948 to Vince, Vince McMahon, 729 00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:48,992 put my arm around him and I said, 730 00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:52,297 'Thank you for inviting me to this party, you know, 731 00:31:52,345 --> 00:31:54,165 even though you fired me.'" 732 00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:55,906 - Again... - I don't know why he did that. 733 00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:58,567 Chris was, he, it was like a downward spiral. 734 00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:01,882 I think his head was stuck in that, "No, I'm gonna be 735 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400 controversial so they'll talk about it in the sheets." 736 00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:07,055 You would hear these stories about, 737 00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,579 "Yeah, Kanyon's sitting front row at a live event 738 00:32:09,623 --> 00:32:11,493 screaming, you know, 'Give me justice'," 739 00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,758 or whatever, whatever the, the details were. 740 00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:17,281 Any way you slice it, you could see this isn't good. 741 00:32:17,326 --> 00:32:21,716 The industry may have seen him as taboo to work with. 742 00:32:21,765 --> 00:32:23,765 That must have been terrible for Chris. 743 00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:25,551 And then, you know, he kind of disappeared 744 00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:27,545 for a while after that. 745 00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:28,987 One time he calls me, 746 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:30,824 and we were really close at this point. 747 00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:33,861 I start the shower and my phone goes off, and it's Chris. 748 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,038 And I always pick up for Chris. 749 00:32:36,084 --> 00:32:37,264 And he's bawling his eyes out. 750 00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:38,783 And I'm like, "Chris, calm down, calm-- 751 00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:40,176 What's going on?" 752 00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:42,789 "I've had enough. I'm gonna kill myself." 753 00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,350 I said, "Chris, what?" 754 00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:46,788 He's like, "Pray for me right now, kid. 755 00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,314 Pray for me for me right now." 756 00:32:48,357 --> 00:32:49,967 And I'm like, my hand's shaking and I'm like, 757 00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:51,671 I'm praying for this guy. 758 00:32:51,708 --> 00:32:54,018 And, he's bawling and bawling and bawling, 759 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:56,629 and like, the entire bathroom's filling up with steam 760 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,800 'cause like, I'm on this call for 45 minutes. 761 00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:01,146 I'm crying, and I'm 19 years old. 762 00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:02,416 I'm trying to convince this guy, 763 00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:04,978 one of my heroes, don't kill yourself. 764 00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:06,416 And it was heavy. 765 00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:08,032 And by the time we were done with the conversation, 766 00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:09,513 I got him to calm down. 767 00:33:09,552 --> 00:33:12,602 And we said a prayer and, and he told me he loved me. 768 00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,562 And, I got off the phone and I'm just like 769 00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:17,081 standing there, just going, holy crap, 770 00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,465 what was that? 771 00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:21,088 ♪ 772 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:27,139 In 2006, Kanyon receives an unexpected call 773 00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:28,659 from The Howard Stern Show, 774 00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:31,052 where he eventually appears as a regular, 775 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:34,266 demonstrating his wit, charm, and humour. 776 00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:37,616 He got out there and he talked about being gay, 777 00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:39,577 and he made the self-deprecating jokes 778 00:33:39,626 --> 00:33:41,406 that he'd always wanted to do. 779 00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:43,334 If the Mets win, you gotta suck my dick. 780 00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:44,759 Ah! 781 00:33:44,805 --> 00:33:47,675 Chris Kanyon's a wrestler. And, he feels he was 782 00:33:47,721 --> 00:33:50,121 kicked out of the WWE 'cause he's gay. 783 00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:52,328 To me, the Boy George thing, 784 00:33:52,378 --> 00:33:54,078 that was a message, I thought. You know, 785 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,249 that was like, "If you come out of the closet, 786 00:33:55,294 --> 00:33:56,604 we're gonna beat the shit out of you." 787 00:33:56,643 --> 00:33:58,083 [Howard] I see. 788 00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,603 They told me before that, before I went out there as 789 00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,686 Boy George, they said, "Sing like a faggot." 790 00:34:01,735 --> 00:34:02,945 - Whoa. - Oh... 791 00:34:02,997 --> 00:34:04,257 You know... 792 00:34:04,303 --> 00:34:05,613 There was an incident with him and John Cena 793 00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:06,962 on Howard Stern. 794 00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:08,831 He says Vince is a homophobe, 795 00:34:08,872 --> 00:34:11,052 and Chris claims that he was fired because 796 00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:12,312 he is a gay man. 797 00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:14,144 Here's, here's a weird thing about Chris, 798 00:34:14,182 --> 00:34:15,842 and I've known Chris for a long time. 799 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:19,319 He, he actually came out of the closet after he was fired. 800 00:34:19,361 --> 00:34:20,321 [Howard] Right. 801 00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:22,762 He just, he wasn't any good. 802 00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:25,719 I remember when I first saw it, I was fucking livid. 803 00:34:25,759 --> 00:34:28,019 It was just such a dirtbag thing to say. 804 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,106 And with Vince, you do have to have 805 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,495 a certain technical bravado. 806 00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:32,547 You gotta be able to wrestle. 807 00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:33,812 But at the same time, it's WWE. 808 00:34:33,854 --> 00:34:35,384 You gotta be able to entertain the people. 809 00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:37,381 Chris just wasn't any good. 810 00:34:37,423 --> 00:34:39,083 Take Kanyon, you know, to the general public, 811 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,250 who's like right here. 812 00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:41,985 And then, John Cena, who's right here. 813 00:34:42,036 --> 00:34:44,386 And if he, you know, kind of craps on Kanyon. 814 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:47,560 Whatever truth there is to whatever he's saying, 815 00:34:47,607 --> 00:34:49,777 Cena's gonna basically stomp it out. 816 00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:52,566 You know, the guys from the WWE were in an uproar 817 00:34:52,612 --> 00:34:53,612 after your last appearance here. 818 00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:54,786 - Really? - Did you know that? 819 00:34:54,831 --> 00:34:56,181 No. 820 00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:57,624 Ric Flair is on the phone. He wants to debate you. 821 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,530 Ric Flair is on the phone? 822 00:34:59,575 --> 00:35:01,055 Kanyon loved Ric Flair. 823 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:03,279 Kanyon's Kanyon was Ric Flair. 824 00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:04,968 [Ric Flair] John, John made a good point. 825 00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:07,185 And I'm, I'm disappointed in Chris as a person. 826 00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:09,535 I've known him a long time, that he would blame 827 00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:11,495 his shortcomings on something that's going on 828 00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:12,684 in his personal life. 829 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,979 He started getting into a fight with 830 00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,845 his childhood hero, Ric Flair. 831 00:35:17,898 --> 00:35:19,728 Ric, we know a lot of guys inside the business that 832 00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:21,249 are gay, but they don't want to go national, 833 00:35:21,293 --> 00:35:22,643 be nationally out. 834 00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,945 I did, and I was punished for wanting to do it. 835 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:26,652 [Laughing] Yeah. 836 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:28,469 I guess it kind of didn't go well for Kanyon. 837 00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:31,037 He put Ric Flair in a position of having to say, 838 00:35:31,085 --> 00:35:34,385 "Chris, I love you, buddy. You're a good guy, but... 839 00:35:34,436 --> 00:35:36,956 you're not the Nature Boy. You're not Stone Cold." 840 00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:40,184 So, you think he could work for the WWE again? 841 00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:41,355 No, I don't think he could. 842 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,530 Why not? 843 00:35:42,575 --> 00:35:43,915 I think the opportunity for Chris Kanyon 844 00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:45,487 has come and gone. And Cena said, 845 00:35:45,534 --> 00:35:47,064 "Yeah, you are not good enough right now 846 00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:48,451 to be on the show." - Okay. 847 00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:50,064 [Howard] Alright, well, there it is. 848 00:35:50,104 --> 00:35:52,414 Ric Flair backed what John Cena said, 849 00:35:52,454 --> 00:35:54,764 and Kanyon had a huge problem with that. 850 00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:56,204 He really kind of underplayed 851 00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:57,811 how much it affected him. 852 00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:00,591 I think he just didn't want to admit that 853 00:36:00,636 --> 00:36:03,766 wrestling had that kind of power over him. 854 00:36:03,813 --> 00:36:06,383 He was a great professional wrestler. 855 00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:08,945 He was a great entertainer. 856 00:36:08,992 --> 00:36:13,652 And, it was gone. 857 00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:17,263 Last time I saw him was January or February of 2010. 858 00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:20,735 And he had been booked to work a show for 859 00:36:20,787 --> 00:36:24,357 Mikey Whipwreck, and the match just, 860 00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:25,919 it was horrible. 861 00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:29,266 It was the worst I've ever seen him wrestle in his life. 862 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:31,837 And people started laughing. 863 00:36:31,885 --> 00:36:36,235 Once they're laughing at you and not with you, you're gone. 864 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:39,891 Total flat finish. Nobody cared. 865 00:36:39,936 --> 00:36:42,976 But, we went to the bar afterwards. 866 00:36:43,026 --> 00:36:47,156 He was holding court. He was the star. 867 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:50,505 He was making all the self-deprecating gay jokes 868 00:36:50,556 --> 00:36:53,386 and people were laughing with him, not at him. 869 00:36:53,428 --> 00:36:54,908 One guy walked up to me: 870 00:36:54,951 --> 00:36:56,651 "Hey, I don't want to bother you guys, 871 00:36:56,692 --> 00:37:00,352 but will you just let him know he meant a lot to me, 872 00:37:00,392 --> 00:37:06,272 and he's inspired me because... because I'm gay." 873 00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:09,271 So, we go back to the hotel room and everything's great. 874 00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:12,674 And, we walk in, and he started saying he was sore, 875 00:37:12,708 --> 00:37:14,408 and I asked him what happened. And he said that he'd 876 00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:16,969 just thrown himself in front of a car, 877 00:37:17,017 --> 00:37:21,717 trying to kill himself a couple days earlier. 878 00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:23,111 And I started saying, "Kanyon, 879 00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:24,593 have you lost your fucking mind? 880 00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:28,163 Did you see just see what we did? 881 00:37:28,202 --> 00:37:33,162 Did you see the outpouring of love from these guys?" 882 00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:35,297 And I said, "You're being fucking selfish." 883 00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,040 And he goes, 884 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,690 "No, Van, you're the one who's being fucking selfish. 885 00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:42,606 You don't know what it's like to live in 886 00:37:42,651 --> 00:37:45,441 my fucking brain, to feel like a fucking freak, 887 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,000 and to fucking hate yourself every day." 888 00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:52,488 And I yelled at him a little bit more and, and then he goes, 889 00:37:52,531 --> 00:37:54,751 "Van, I'm gonna stop you right here." 890 00:37:54,794 --> 00:38:00,324 And we hugged, and then it was like, 891 00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:02,715 like an episode of This Is Your Life. 892 00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:04,328 He was gonna take me to the airport and 893 00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,809 we had like 45 minutes to go. 894 00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:09,329 And it was like, "You remember the time you did this, 895 00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:10,774 you remember the time you did that?" 896 00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:16,820 And we were howling like the good old days. 897 00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:20,989 When I got out of the car, I just fucking lost it. 898 00:38:21,037 --> 00:38:23,647 And I got on the plane, and I cried the whole way home. 899 00:38:23,692 --> 00:38:25,262 And I found a little corner seat, 900 00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:27,653 and I got off and my wife asked me what was wrong. 901 00:38:27,696 --> 00:38:30,476 And I said, "I think he's gonna do it this time." 902 00:38:30,525 --> 00:38:33,875 ♪ 903 00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:44,234 That last day I saw him, I literally knew that 904 00:38:44,278 --> 00:38:46,448 he wasn't gonna be here much longer. 905 00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:50,198 I started, you know, calling him several times a day, 906 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,030 every day for like two weeks. 907 00:38:53,069 --> 00:38:56,379 And he wouldn't answer the phone, at all. 908 00:38:56,421 --> 00:38:59,951 Then his friend Mike Paserello called me at, 909 00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:02,379 I think it was like 6 am in the morning, 910 00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:05,207 and that's never a good time to get a phone call. 911 00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:08,555 And he told me, told me he was gone. 912 00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:10,737 On April 2nd, 2010, 913 00:39:10,783 --> 00:39:13,573 Chris was found dead in his childhood home 914 00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,482 in Sunnyside Queens, New York, 915 00:39:15,527 --> 00:39:18,177 having overdosed on antidepressants. 916 00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:20,575 His death was ruled a suicide. 917 00:39:20,619 --> 00:39:24,229 He was 40 years old. 918 00:39:24,274 --> 00:39:28,324 As you can imagine, we took it how we took it. 919 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:32,626 [Sighing] And ah, you know, I teared up a little bit. 920 00:39:32,674 --> 00:39:34,634 Said, "Motherfucker!" 921 00:39:34,676 --> 00:39:36,896 I was like so numb. I didn't know, like, 922 00:39:36,939 --> 00:39:38,939 what to do or feel. I was just like frozen 923 00:39:38,985 --> 00:39:41,855 'cause it was just, I was just at a loss. 924 00:39:41,901 --> 00:39:44,341 But I also remember being relieved because I 925 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:47,992 remembered Chris is now at a place where he wants to be 926 00:39:48,037 --> 00:39:49,817 because he can't be in pain, you know. 927 00:39:49,865 --> 00:39:52,165 He's not... it's... 928 00:39:52,215 --> 00:39:56,215 ♪ 929 00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:58,663 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 930 00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:02,050 He, I knew my friend wasn't suffering anymore. 931 00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:07,265 And it sucked to lose him, but I just hope that 932 00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:10,357 he's not suffering anymore. 933 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:15,798 I fucking owe everything to the guy, you know. 934 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,148 He's horribly missed. 935 00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:20,768 He was one of my best friends. 936 00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:24,289 He wanted to reach his arms out and help, 937 00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:28,164 you know, me be successful and... 938 00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:31,038 I love him and I miss him. 939 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,300 It's very rare in wrestling that you get 940 00:40:33,343 --> 00:40:37,833 somebody that nobody ever talks bad about. 941 00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:39,830 Chris is one of those guys. 942 00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:42,742 I mean, he was a tortured soul. 943 00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:44,698 If I understood what was going on, 944 00:40:44,746 --> 00:40:47,746 maybe I could have been a, you know, more... 945 00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:51,363 more assistance or guided him in the right way, but... 946 00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:52,885 I just didn't know, and I, you know, 947 00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:55,578 I would just tell anybody watching this... 948 00:40:55,627 --> 00:41:00,677 if you know anybody who's bipolar or schizophrenic, 949 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,029 anything like that, to where they're mental health issues 950 00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:10,991 are interfering with their day-to-day existence, 951 00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:14,433 do what you have to do. 952 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,952 Fuck any secrets you have. 953 00:41:16,996 --> 00:41:22,306 Go out there and get them help and save them. 954 00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:23,609 He definitely opened the door though. 955 00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:25,045 Yes, in the wrestling industry. 956 00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:27,491 For others to be more comfortable with coming out, 957 00:41:27,528 --> 00:41:29,878 and that he was one of the first that I can remember. 958 00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:31,752 He's a pioneer. 959 00:41:31,793 --> 00:41:34,233 You know, he'd be a hero right now. 960 00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:36,974 He really would be a hero. 961 00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:41,056 I think that was too much of a cross to bear, I really do. 962 00:41:41,107 --> 00:41:42,587 I mean, now we've got, 963 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:46,240 you know, out gay wrestlers, trans. 964 00:41:46,286 --> 00:41:48,066 I mean, it's a different world. 965 00:41:48,114 --> 00:41:52,214 Chris Kanyon inspired and helped 966 00:41:52,248 --> 00:41:57,428 an entire generation of younger guys. 967 00:41:57,471 --> 00:42:01,001 They show their appreciation for what he did, 968 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,000 for his legacy by incorporating his moves 969 00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:06,614 into their matches. 970 00:42:06,654 --> 00:42:08,314 - A superplex. - Wow! 971 00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:10,011 Who better than Cage! 972 00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:12,269 He was just so under-utilized and so underappreciated, 973 00:42:12,312 --> 00:42:13,842 so the fact that we could bring more light 974 00:42:13,879 --> 00:42:15,919 to his name and people can really understand and 975 00:42:15,968 --> 00:42:17,358 see how great of a guy he was, 976 00:42:17,404 --> 00:42:18,884 and how great in the ring he was, 977 00:42:18,927 --> 00:42:22,057 you know, it's better late than never. 978 00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:25,594 I remember on one road trip in particular, Chris is like, 979 00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:28,020 "You guys don't realize what I would do to go back and 980 00:42:28,067 --> 00:42:29,627 be your age." - Oh, yeah. 981 00:42:29,677 --> 00:42:33,117 Trying to break in to wrestling and make it again right now. 982 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,159 And we just, it didn't make any sense to me. 983 00:42:35,204 --> 00:42:37,294 "What are you talking about? You've done it all. 984 00:42:37,337 --> 00:42:39,857 You were on WCW Nitro, 985 00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:41,375 you've been a champion in WWE." 986 00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:42,908 You have your own action figures, 987 00:42:42,951 --> 00:42:44,471 you've been on video games. 988 00:42:44,518 --> 00:42:46,128 You've done it all, Chris. And I didn't understand, like, 989 00:42:46,172 --> 00:42:47,832 why would he want to trade spots with me? 990 00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:51,349 I would do anything, I would give up anything to be him. 991 00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:53,924 "Guys, listen," he's like, "the journey there is 992 00:42:53,962 --> 00:42:56,102 so much better than the destination." 993 00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:57,918 And I'm like, I didn't get it. 994 00:42:57,966 --> 00:43:01,356 And now, I've made it to the destination, 995 00:43:01,404 --> 00:43:02,844 and he's right. 996 00:43:02,884 --> 00:43:04,194 Like, you're chasing this thing and when you finally 997 00:43:04,233 --> 00:43:06,853 get to the thing, it doesn't really make you feel 998 00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:08,018 any better or happier. 999 00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:10,813 You have to be happy the entire time. 1000 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:12,979 That last night I saw him, I'd asked him, 1001 00:43:13,025 --> 00:43:14,845 "You know, I've told some of these stories about the crazy 1002 00:43:14,896 --> 00:43:19,376 shit you did, but you didn't have the gay subtext to 1003 00:43:19,422 --> 00:43:22,692 explain some of the behaviour." And I said, 1004 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:25,120 "Do you really want me to tell these stories?" 1005 00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:29,517 He goes, "Shoot, papa, shoot." "Tell the truth, papa." 1006 00:43:29,563 --> 00:43:32,263 If you pulled out a Ouija board and I got the 1007 00:43:32,305 --> 00:43:34,955 chance to talk to him one more time, 1008 00:43:35,003 --> 00:43:37,663 I would just say, "Kanyon, 1009 00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:42,322 you've been an amazing friend." 1010 00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:45,318 I... I... 1011 00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:48,281 I guess I'd just hug his ghost. 1012 00:43:48,321 --> 00:43:51,411 [Laughing] You know, oops. 1013 00:43:51,454 --> 00:43:54,074 And he'd go, "Motherfucker, you missed!" 1014 00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:56,019 [Laughing] 1015 00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:59,418 ♪ 1016 00:43:59,468 --> 00:44:04,018 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 79708

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