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Chris Kanyon was so
ahead of his time.
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He was amazing.
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[Commentary]
...with moves like that!
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I loved working with
that motherfucker.
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Kanyon,
the Innovator of Offense,
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living up to his reputation.
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He called himself the
Innovator of Offense.
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...trying to get this,
oh, my goodness!
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How about that,
a cradle neck breaker!
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Might end up getting stuck,
look at this!
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Oh, my goodness!
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[narrator]
In the 1990s,
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wrestler Chris Kanyon
rose from obscurity
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to become one of the most
innovative and versatile
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performers of the era,
pioneering a style that
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would set the stage for
decades to come.
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I would say he's one of the most
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underappreciated wrestlers of all time.
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Chris is one of those
guys who deserve
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so much more respect,
so much more notoriety,
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and so much more love
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for everything he
did for wrestling.
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Despite success and the
adulation of his peers,
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Kanyon lived
with a deep secret,
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which he believed,
if revealed,
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would end his career
in an instant.
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I had no idea he was gay.
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Here was a guy twice
my size that's just,
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[mimicking raspy voice]
always talking about,
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"Fuck the queers!
I ain't got time for that!"
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That, to me, was like the
greatest kept secret.
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And, I'm one of
Chris' best friends.
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Concealing the truth
became an obsession,
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and his increasingly
erratic behaviour
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deeply concerned
and terrified
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those closest to him.
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Then he started doing a
bunch of crazy shit.
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The house would
be destroyed,
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or my car would
be destroyed,
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or my clothes
would be torn up.
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And at that point,
I was like,
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"You just tried to
fucking kill me."
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Just holding onto a secret,
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not being able to
share it with your
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closest friends and family.
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Not being able to tell
them who you really are,
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that must have killed him
for so long.
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Literally, it was an
emotional rollercoaster.
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He was manic.
Really just out of his mind.
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It was a painful thing to
watch him disintegrate, really.
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His life played
out the way he saw it,
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'cause we all manifest
our own reality.
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♪
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Who's better than
Kanyon?!
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In the 90s, it was like
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You had to have a catch phrase.
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You had to have a catch phrase!
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[raspy voice] "Who better
than Kanyon?"
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- "Who better!"
- "Who better than Kanyon!"
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Who better than Kanyon?
Nobody!
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Well, he shows me something
different every time.
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Kanyon has really
revolutionized our sport.
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Brought in some moves that
no one's even thought of.
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That was different.
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As far as guys I loved to
be in the ring with
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and dance, as we
call it, haha...
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Chris Kanyon's the top 5%.
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'Cause it was just fun.
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It's me, it's DDP.
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Diamond Dallas Page.
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Master of the
Diamond Cutter.
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[Cheering]. Oh!
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I think he did the
independent wrestling style
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before anybody else.
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I'm Nick Jackson, this is
my brother, Matt Jackson.
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We're The Young Bucks.
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We're very good friends
with Chris Kanyon.
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He doesn't realize so
much of us, as kids,
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as teenagers,
we watched Chris.
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The way that he took moves
and the way he sold moves,
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and the way he strung
along offense.
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You see another one of
his innovative moves.
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There was something
special about Chris.
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Everyone loved him.
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And he was funny,
and he was bright,
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and he was witty.
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I would call him the King
of Sunnyside, New York.
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Hi, my name is
Rafael Morffi.
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I'm a 20-year pro
wrestling executive.
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I grew up with
Chris Klucsarits, aka,
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Chris Kanyon, in Sunnyside,
Queens, New York.
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And I went to grammar school
with Chris and high school,
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and as luck would have it,
work with him at WWE.
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Middle class,
blue collar area.
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A lot of Catholics.
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In our parish, he would be
in the corner with
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some of his friends,
putting on these shows.
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He adored wrestling.
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I don't think he was
ever comfortable
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about his sexual orientation.
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That comes from
where he grew up,
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his religious beliefs.
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He had a struggle
at our high school.
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He was overheard
cursing his teacher and,
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sent him to the
chaplain of our school.
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And he just blurted out,
"I'm gay." You know,
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"Don't give into Satan,
don't give into temptations."
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The animosity Chris had towards
this person who told him that...
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Chris says, "That's who I am
so, why is it wrong?"
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I think it had a
big effect on him.
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And really broke my heart.
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I was like, man,
I wish I knew.
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I wish I knew he was
going through this.
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So, when I first started
hanging around with Kanyon,
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he presented himself
as a guy from New York,
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a tough New York,
you know, Queens guy,
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who was very Catholic and
very anti-homosexual.
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I am The Sinister Minister,
Father James Mitchell.
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I have been known as
Daryl Van Horne in
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Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
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I'm sure your mother's waiting
for you in the tool shed!
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I was known as
James Vandenberg in WCW.
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..and twist his body!
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He showed me this tape of him
doing a match in the streets.
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I said, you know,
"I could really do
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something with you, Kanyon.
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What we need to do is
get you into a ring.
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And the only wrestling ring
that I know of around here
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is the one that
Fabulous Moolah has."
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Brought in the hard way
by the fabulous one.
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For over half a century,
the Fabulous Moolah was
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one of the industry's
leading power brokers,
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controlling nearly all aspects
of women's wrestling.
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He was pretty marked out
that he was
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in the presence of a legend.
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Moolah normally
trained women.
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I had told him, "Just
keep your mouth shut.
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Let me do the talking.
Let me see if I can
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bullshit her, get you
in the door."
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She looked at him,
she was very impressed.
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♪
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Moolah would run these
tiny shows for her students.
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Mae Young was there, and she
would get in there all the time
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and jump on Kanyon and
stomp the shit out of him.
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She'd rip big wads of
hair out of his head.
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"Van! What's going on?
This bitch is crazy!
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She's shooting on me!"
I'm like,
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"Just put up with it.
You'll be okay."
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By the mid 90s,
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Kanyon catches the attention
of World Championship Wrestling,
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and is soon realizing
his dream performing
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regularly on
national television.
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I first met Chris when
I went to WCW and,
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he used to be in a tag team
called Men At Work where
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they used to go around
and measure things
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for no apparent reason.
[Laughing]
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He started getting a little
bit of steam because he had
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such a great reputation
amongst the other wrestlers.
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He had this really
super thick accent.
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He also had a
little bit of a lisp,
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which used to bother him.
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He was always nervous to do
a promo on air 'cause
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he was always kind of
worried about his lisp.
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[Indistinct] ...and
found to be condemned!
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Everyone saw the potential
that he had to be top star,
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and that's when they started
giving him a little bit more
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to do on the show and kind
of expanding his role.
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He was getting to
live his dream.
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This was a time when
he was really happy.
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He went to pack up and
go to Memphis, I believe.
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I get a phone call, and I
see it on the caller ID and
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I'm excited. Christopher
Klucsarits, and I picked it up.
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"Kanyon! How are you
doing?" He goes,
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"Van, I have something to
tell you."
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"Okay, what's that?"
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"I had one of those
big U- Haul things,
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and my cousins were
trying to move it.
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And Van, gay pornography
exploded all over the street!
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It was like a
piñata of gay porn!
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And I panicked,
and they said,
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'Kanyon,
what the fuck is that'?
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And I said,
'That's Daryl Van Horne's!
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He, he, he pulls
ribs on people.
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He's a sick motherfucker!
He's probably gay, himself.
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I bet it's his!'".
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So, that's how he
came out to me.
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And I said, "Okay, so what?"
He goes,
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"So, you need to
call my cousin."
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And he had this very elaborate
script written out where
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I couldn't be too obvious,
but I had to say,
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"Hey, can you get me in
touch with Kanyon because
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I left some materials with him."
And the thing was,
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I was the only person
Kanyon told he was gay.
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And, my job was to
cover for him.
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What really was a huge
break for Chris,
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was they came up
with this campaign.
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Our world is about
to change.
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The Blood Runs Cold
story line casts wrestler
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Ray Lloyd as Glacier,
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a character inspired by
Mortal Combat's Sub Zero.
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While Kanyon emerges
as his nemesis, Mortis,
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with Manager James
Vandenberg at his side.
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That's the coolest
mask gimmick ever.
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♪
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This was... a huge break.
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And it was a great combination
with Vandenberg.
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"Vandenballs",
he used to call him.
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He used to torture
Vandenballs, man.
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He was vicious.
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He was vicious.
[Laughing]
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But, Vandenballs never has a
career without Chris Kanyon.
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And he loved Vandenballs,
he loved him.
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- [Cheering]
- Oh!
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Oh! That was right in the chest!
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We were celebrating a
great victory or something.
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I went to turn the car on,
and it wouldn't start.
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He started screaming,
and yelling, and cursing at me.
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I go, "Kanyon,
it's not a big deal.
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I'll call a taxi,
whatever."
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And, he just started
increasing it.
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Anyhow, the car starts.
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So, now we're
riding home to Atlanta.
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The whole time, he's throwing
elbows in my face going,
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"You motherfucker!
I fucking hate you!
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You fucking piece of shit!"
I'm just going, "What?
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What's wrong with you, man?"
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And we got to the
parking garage. He kicked,
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actually kicked my
fucking passenger door open.
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"You motherfucker!"
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And he began to kick out
every headlight, brake light.
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Jumped up and
down on the hood.
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Totally destroyed my car.
Bashed the glass out of it.
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"Get the fuck out of here!
I hate you.
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I never want to
see you again!
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If I didn't have a lisp, I would
never have anything to
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do with you, 'cause I
can't do a promo."
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And then, I looked at him,
I let it sit for a minute.
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And I went... "Okay."
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"That's a hell of a thing
to say to the only guy
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who knows
your secret identity."
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♪
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As Chris Kanyon reaches new
heights wrestling for
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one of the industry's
top promotions,
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he becomes even more
paranoid about his
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colleagues discovering his
innermost secret.
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If you were gay back then,
you were a bad guy.
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You were a heel.
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You were the guy that you
would do the Sunset Flip
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and they would pull
your pants down,
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you'd have a
thong on.
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Look at this!
[Laughing]
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[Cheering]
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Back in those days, it just
wasn't as accepted as it is now.
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Oh, my gosh!
A man kissing another man!
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I can't believe it!
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Absolutely, I'm sure Kanyon
was worried about
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how that would be presented.
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Oh, my god! Oh!
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Wait a minute.
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It wasn't gonna be
a positive thing.
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My name is Brian Cage.
Current AEW wrestler.
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Big time fan,
very close friend,
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and also unofficial
trainee of Chris Kanyon.
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Just because of the creative
control that wrestling
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could have, you know,
that easily could have
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lost him his job, for sure.
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He had what looked like
a control center.
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He would spend days
trolling for boyfriends.
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He had all these long winded
conversations with guys,
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and he would
print everything out.
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Alphabetize them,
organize them.
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And he would put them in
this little metal box.
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So, you'd have the usual
suspects come running in
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and, they'd ask
what was in the box.
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He'd say, "None of your
fucking business!"
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And he started getting really
paranoid about the box,
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to a point, I started
calling it Pandora's Box.
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I said, "Kanyon,
why do you have this?
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You're worried about
being outed as being gay,
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but this is like Nixon
keeping Watergate tapes."
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Maybe he wanted somebody to
knock it over just like
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his gay porn fell out of
the U-Haul thing
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with his cousin, you know.
That could have been it.
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What was great about the
Mortis character for Chris,
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was that you could hide
behind the mask.
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And, little did I know
that he was hiding
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behind a mask the
whole time.
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Mortis really gave him
that power to grow.
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What a move, what a move!
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And then a little thing
happened called...
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the N.W.O.
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What is he doing?
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Is he the third man?!
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You can call this the
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New World Order of
wrestling, brother.
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And I will never
forget Kanyon.
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He looked at me, he goes,
"Our push is dead."
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And he was right.
The NWO took over the world.
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I hope it's okay because
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there's nothing you
can do about it!
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All of that gimmicky
character-based
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wresting stuff went
out the window.
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We're on reality-based
wrestling, not cartoons.
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He started getting really
frustrated about it.
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You just opened Pandora's Box!
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The stress off it started
making him
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really lash out at me
for no reason.
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One night,
he went off on me.
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"You motherfucker!"
And started choking me,
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like this, with the
thumbs on the Adam's apple,
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to the point that
I, I blacked out.
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And I started coming to
and I was hearing,
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"You mother...
you motherfucker!"
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And then he, he looked
down at me and he goes,
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"Oh, Van, fuck...
[gasping]
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What am I doing?
I'm so sorry!
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I, I fucking love you.
I'm fucking sorry."
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And he started kissing
my forehead and shit.
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And, you know,
and I was loyal to him,
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and I loved him, and he,
he helped me so much.
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But, there's no reason
to be beating my ass.
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You know, he had to release
his steam and he couldn't
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act that way in front
of other people.
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With the Mortis storyline
now over,
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Chris grows anxious about his
future with the company.
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But WCW finds him
a new role.
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- That's, that's Mortis!
- Oh, my...
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You know, we haven't
seen Mortis for months.
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Now without a mask,
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he is reintroduced to
fans as Kanyon.
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Now we can see Chris.
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We can see, 'cause he looks,
he's a good looking dude.
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You know, he's got swag.
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Now he's got a different
level of confidence.
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Who's better than Kanyon?
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Eric Bischoff had a lot of
faith in Chris Kanyon.
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I mean, he sent him
to do Ready to Rumble.
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That match, everything,
all that's Chris Kanyon.
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That generation loved
Ready to Rumble.
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It's the best wrestling
movie of all time.
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[Laughing]
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Kanyon helped teach
David Arquette
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how to wrestle and how
to take the bumps.
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And then he even took
some of the stunts.
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He was a stunt
double in the,
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in the film, itself.
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Someone came up with the
three-level cage match.
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And then it was his idea to use
that cage in actual WCW match.
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Chris took a bump from the
top from Mike Awesome,
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big moment.
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- Oh!
- [Match bell chiming]
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It was just
great to see him.
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Like, he's in the mix.
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He would make fun of
me all the time.
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He would do his
DDP impersonation.
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He was having such a
good time with it.
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Bang!
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WCW had the money to
spend on these guys.
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Chris probably went
from making, you know,
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100 bucks a day to
making, you know, what,
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3, 4, 500 grand a year.
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He was spending it,
but in a good way.
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He loved to play lord bountiful
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and put on the best parties.
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He turned his house into
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a beach bar nightclub.
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Like, literally.
He brought in sand.
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The women were crawling on him.
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I'm not kidding.
Crawling on him.
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And he completely
no sells it.
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And, one of the
girls one night,
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comes over to
me and she goes,
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"I think your friend
might be gay."
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And I told him that.
He got really paranoid then.
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♪
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So, he had assigned me to
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make a pornographic video of him
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that he could show the boys
as proof that he was straight.
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"Find a whore.
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Here's the room and
here's my video camera.
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Here's the script.
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I'll be there about midnight."
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And he never showed up.
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One o'clock, two o'clock,
whatever.
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So, nature took its course.
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Long story short,
we followed his script.
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And the girl was wearing
the Mortis mask, okay.
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♪
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In the morning,
we're in the hotel room,
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and I pop the tape in.
Kanyon laughed at first,
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and then you could see him
start getting furious.
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And he ran in the bathroom,
and out of nowhere he goes,
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"You motherfucker!
You used my hair conditioner!"
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I was like, "Kanyon,
I don't even have fucking
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three pieces of
hair on my head."
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00:17:45,107 --> 00:17:46,667
And he's just
amping it up and I,
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00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:49,017
and I started seeing...
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the things that led to
me getting choked.
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However, I had a 45 pistol
under the pillow.
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And he hit me with both
fists in the chest and
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I flew over the bed.
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I hit the ground and
I came right back up,
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slid across, put my
hand under the pillow,
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picked up the gun
and I went, "Fuck you!
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You hit me again,
you're fucking dead!"
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00:18:09,262 --> 00:18:10,652
Now shit's on.
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Kanyon grabs the four pieces
of Charlie Brown hair
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I have on top of my head:
"Put down the gun!"
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And I'm going, "I've had
enough of this shit!
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You're too fucking big,
you motherfucker!
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00:18:20,969 --> 00:18:23,009
What the fuck did I do to
deserve this shit?"
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And, and then, it hit me like,
this shit's out of control.
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This is my, one of
my best friends.
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So, we let it diffuse.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, I was.
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I had looked up
all the statutes on,
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you know, reasonable fear
of life, and whatnot.
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I mean, it wasn't
something I wanted to do,
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but I was like, you know,
the next time this guy
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starts that Adam's
apple business...
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I was prepared to shoot him.
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♪
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Although Chris Kanyon's
paranoia continues to
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manifest in violent outbursts,
his career is about to
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peak in a way he never
dreamed possible.
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00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:10,498
Chris Kanyon took
prominence right when
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the industry was having
a great boom.
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00:19:12,455 --> 00:19:16,065
Then, you know,
WWE bought out WCW.
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00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:17,771
You know, they really
believed in him.
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00:19:17,808 --> 00:19:20,068
And Chris writes in his book,
you know,
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Vince pulled him
aside and said,
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"You have really
adjusted well here,
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and we have big plans
for you."
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00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,381
And he ended up being
a double champion
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the first two months or so.
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He was a tag champion, and
he was the US champion.
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00:19:30,038 --> 00:19:32,688
Who better than Kanyon
and DDP, and--
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00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:33,956
Who better?
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00:19:33,998 --> 00:19:36,828
You know, I thought he
was in a great spot.
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I mean, I thought
he was gonna shine.
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00:19:40,004 --> 00:19:44,104
But, you know,
it's like anything, you know,
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00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:47,059
you don't know
what you don't know.
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Kanyon would invite me to
come up and stay with him.
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I'd stay with him two,
three weeks.
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00:19:50,711 --> 00:19:52,451
Sometimes a month at a time.
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00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:56,145
He would spend two or three
days sitting on the floor,
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stacking and
restacking papers.
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00:20:00,416 --> 00:20:03,376
I'd say, "What are you doing?"
"I'm working on my taxes."
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00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:05,159
But he wasn't
working on his taxes.
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00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:10,344
He was just taking piles
of notices from the IRS and
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00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:15,263
things like that and just
moving them around, like...
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He would stay in bed
for 6 and 7 days
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after he's invited me there.
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I'd just be sitting in his house
for days, and days, and days.
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I didn't understand depression.
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00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:34,359
I'd say, "What the fuck do you
have to be depressed about?
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00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:37,447
You're on fucking WWE,
you're in movies.
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00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:38,927
You got money."
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00:20:38,976 --> 00:20:41,756
He couldn't articulate it to me
further than, you know,
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00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:43,625
"You don't know what it's like
to be in my head.
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00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:45,027
You think
everybody loves me.
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00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:46,459
I don't think they do."
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♪
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00:20:51,728 --> 00:20:53,508
Then he got hurt.
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00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:56,076
He got his shoulder injured,
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00:20:56,124 --> 00:20:58,784
and he was worried that
he was gonna get fired.
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00:20:58,822 --> 00:21:02,652
You build a program,
then you get hurt.
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00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:05,176
It's really hard to
come back from.
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00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:09,010
He took steroids for
one of the few times
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I was ever aware of it
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to try to rehab his injury.
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00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:15,491
And I guess he was
depressed for a few days and
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00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,095
left a needle out.
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00:21:17,145 --> 00:21:21,275
And he got some sort of
horrible blood infection and,
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00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:22,853
and he lost a
bunch of weight,
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00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,590
and he was
really worried that...
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they would let him go.
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Kanyon spends the next
year and a half recovering
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from his injuries while also
struggling with
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his mental health.
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Determined to come
back better than before,
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he's finally offered a role
that he believes will get
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his career back on track.
484
00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:43,997
He had told me he was
gonna be at Smackdown.
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00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:46,481
And he had a role,
a big one.
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It was a moment for him to
be involved with
487
00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:52,183
two huge names in the industry,
The Undertaker,
488
00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,833
who was very high on Chris.
489
00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:55,487
Thought Chris had a
lot of potential.
490
00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:56,841
And, Paul Heyman,
491
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,930
who's presenting
The Undertaker with a gift.
492
00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:01,099
...The Undertaker in a box...
493
00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:02,925
Whenever WWE came to town
in southern California,
494
00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:04,673
we were at the shows,
no matter what.
495
00:22:04,714 --> 00:22:06,934
I remember Chris was
hiding in like a giant,
496
00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:09,277
of course, in pro wrestling,
a giant present.
497
00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:13,458
At some point, Kanyon was
directed to come out of a big
498
00:22:13,506 --> 00:22:16,806
wooden box dressed as
Boy George and singing,
499
00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:18,727
'Do You Really
Want to Hurt Me',
500
00:22:18,772 --> 00:22:21,912
and he was told to
do it with a lisp.
501
00:22:21,949 --> 00:22:27,559
♪ Do you 'weally' want
to make me cry? ♪
502
00:22:27,607 --> 00:22:32,387
- Boy George?
- Do you really want to hurt me!
503
00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:33,868
And we're like,
"Oh, my god, it's Kanyon!"
504
00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:35,047
'Cause we were such Kanyon fans.
505
00:22:35,092 --> 00:22:36,922
We're just popping
from our seats.
506
00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:38,844
We're like, "We didn't know
he was gonna be here!"
507
00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:40,839
♪ ...me cry.
508
00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:42,401
Where's Brother Love
when you need him?
509
00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,888
But then he just
got destroyed, right?
510
00:22:44,928 --> 00:22:47,498
[Indistinct shouting]
511
00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:48,890
And Kanyon!
512
00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:51,072
Welcome back to the WWE.
513
00:22:51,108 --> 00:22:52,938
It was really violent.
514
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:54,500
A chair!
515
00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:56,237
And I remember, like, I was
smart to the business even,
516
00:22:56,287 --> 00:22:59,937
I think, I remember thinking to
myself, like, this is terrible.
517
00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:01,637
Oh!
518
00:23:01,684 --> 00:23:04,994
Why did they bring Kanyon
out just to kill him like that?
519
00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:07,645
[Indistinct shouting
& screaming]
520
00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,430
He's a human being!
521
00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:11,515
What was that, like a chair shot
to the head or something?
522
00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,704
It was like a terrible
chair shot to the head.
523
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:14,780
Oh!
524
00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:16,868
Wow, did you hear that?
525
00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:20,567
Unfortunately, I did.
Man, that was a nasty...
526
00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:22,136
It's pretty obvious.
527
00:23:22,183 --> 00:23:23,453
He had never done
anything like that.
528
00:23:23,489 --> 00:23:24,789
Just out of the blue one day
he comes out and
529
00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:27,058
is expected to sing
like Boy George.
530
00:23:27,101 --> 00:23:28,361
Like, I mean, come on.
531
00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,147
Somebody found something
out or heard something,
532
00:23:30,191 --> 00:23:32,591
or said, "Let's put this
guy to task."
533
00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:37,588
And it's a bullying WWE trick.
Why else would you do that?
534
00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:40,643
I think that really
did hurt him.
535
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,460
To this day, I'm not
gonna buy it
536
00:23:42,508 --> 00:23:44,898
that they wanted
to humiliate him. Sorry.
537
00:23:44,945 --> 00:23:48,295
WWE's not gonna have someone
trained to come back
538
00:23:48,339 --> 00:23:51,299
for a year to humiliate him
on national TV.
539
00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,002
That's not gonna happen.
540
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,300
It just didn't work out
creatively.
541
00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:57,996
And then he started being...
542
00:23:58,045 --> 00:24:01,175
depositioned or pushed down a card.
543
00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:02,702
You know who's
better than Kanyon?
544
00:24:02,745 --> 00:24:05,485
I want to know.
Tell me, please.
545
00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:08,401
Everybody! Woo!
546
00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,187
This happens a lot
of times in the WWE.
547
00:24:10,231 --> 00:24:12,761
You get kind of slotted in
a certain position and
548
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,319
it's hard to dig
yourself out of it.
549
00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:17,276
They didn't feel it was
enough to keep him on so,
550
00:24:17,325 --> 00:24:18,805
they let him go.
551
00:24:18,848 --> 00:24:21,548
♪
552
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:23,550
Kanyon claimed to me, at first,
553
00:24:23,592 --> 00:24:26,902
that the office was
punishing him for being gay.
554
00:24:26,943 --> 00:24:29,733
But then he told me later
that was all bullshit.
555
00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,302
A knee injury,
a shoulder injury.
556
00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:33,249
He can't get back on track.
557
00:24:33,297 --> 00:24:35,597
And he was just using it
as an ace in the hole
558
00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:38,518
to cover his ass if he
ever had to sue them.
559
00:24:38,564 --> 00:24:41,484
And he became what I guess
you call in literature,
560
00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,573
an unreliable narrator.
561
00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:47,092
I couldn't tell what was
true and what wasn't.
562
00:24:47,137 --> 00:24:49,527
And Orlando Jordan beats Kanyon!
563
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:52,315
But, you know, Kanyon in a
lot of ways towards the
564
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,670
last few years of his life could
be his own worst enemy.
565
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:57,890
♪
566
00:25:01,630 --> 00:25:04,420
Devastated by his
release from the WWE,
567
00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:06,899
Chris Kanyon finds
meaning in mentoring
568
00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:09,730
a new generation of
wrestling stars.
569
00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:12,689
It was about 2005 when we got
booked on a bigger show...
570
00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,948
We saw Chris Kanyon was on the
list and we couldn't believe it.
571
00:25:15,992 --> 00:25:18,522
He was one of our heroes,
legitimate heroes.
572
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,210
Here we are,
we're just these kids.
573
00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:24,167
- I'm probably 19?
- Yeah, and I'm 15, 16.
574
00:25:24,218 --> 00:25:25,568
We're like teenage voices:
575
00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:26,741
[high pitch voice]
"Hi, I'm Matt.
576
00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:28,826
This is my brother, Nick."
All nervous.
577
00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:31,355
We hit it off, you know,
right off the bat.
578
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:34,749
Imagine this guy that you
watched on television for years.
579
00:25:34,794 --> 00:25:39,844
Now he's your friend, and he's,
you know, calling you every day.
580
00:25:39,886 --> 00:25:41,576
He had called me at
one time and he goes,
581
00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:42,757
"Hey, are you guys
having a show?
582
00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:44,192
'Cause, I'm kind
of in the area.
583
00:25:44,238 --> 00:25:45,628
I could come work one of
your shows if you're there."
584
00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:46,894
And I was like, "Holy crap.
585
00:25:46,936 --> 00:25:48,586
Well, we're doing a
show now!"
586
00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,774
Chris Kanyon,
the Innovator of Offense.
587
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:52,200
Who better, nobody's better!
588
00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:54,936
He came out to a big pop,
you know, the big star.
589
00:25:54,988 --> 00:25:58,298
And he buries the crowd,
super good heel, mic work.
590
00:25:58,339 --> 00:25:59,859
I'm gonna beat ya,
and then I'm gonna
591
00:25:59,906 --> 00:26:04,166
leave this stupid hick town
and never, ever come back.
592
00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:05,654
- [Booing]
- Shut up!
593
00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:07,704
I didn't want to go, I didn't
want to go over at all.
594
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:09,390
And he goes, "Kid,
this is your promotion,
595
00:26:09,437 --> 00:26:11,397
your hometown.
Like, you gotta go over,
596
00:26:11,439 --> 00:26:12,749
it's gonna get
the better reaction."
597
00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:14,658
I was like, "Okay, fine."
He goes to pick me up,
598
00:26:14,703 --> 00:26:18,753
I slip out the back door,
and I roll him up, 1, 2, 3.
599
00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:20,714
Still to this day, it's one
of my top three favourite,
600
00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:22,363
not like matches
in wrestling,
601
00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,666
but probably one of my top three
favourite moments in my life.
602
00:26:24,713 --> 00:26:26,933
And he was such a giving,
selfless guy.
603
00:26:26,976 --> 00:26:29,676
Maybe for this one night,
you're better than Kanyon.
604
00:26:29,718 --> 00:26:31,888
[Cheering]
605
00:26:31,938 --> 00:26:33,328
Chris Kanyon was the
person that would,
606
00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:36,124
honestly, give you
the shirt off his back.
607
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,639
He was a great person, yeah.
608
00:26:37,683 --> 00:26:40,033
Chris was a, Chris was
a great person.
609
00:26:40,076 --> 00:26:42,466
My name is Luke Hawx.
I'm a professional wrestler,
610
00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:44,953
and also a dear friend
of Chris Kanyon.
611
00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:46,524
As you can see,
such a dear friend,
612
00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:49,561
you see, I have Mortis
tattooed on my arm right here.
613
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:53,348
2005, Katrina hit,
and I was in Louisiana.
614
00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:54,574
It was the worst
hurricane of all time,
615
00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,533
completely wiped
out the city.
616
00:26:56,571 --> 00:26:58,621
Kanyon called me up and he,
617
00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:00,100
he was the first
person to call me.
618
00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:02,010
And he goes, "If you
need a place to live,
619
00:27:02,055 --> 00:27:04,185
you can come live with me
as long as you need to.
620
00:27:04,231 --> 00:27:07,361
No charge." So, Chris would
go through these stages
621
00:27:07,408 --> 00:27:10,018
where he would stay up for
three or four days at a time.
622
00:27:10,063 --> 00:27:12,333
Keep in mind, we're in
Clearwater Beach and,
623
00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:15,589
the headquarters for
Scientology is not far away.
624
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,294
So, he said he
had just got home,
625
00:27:18,332 --> 00:27:19,592
and he went left,
626
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:23,078
and he was driving on
this bridge for hours.
627
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,029
And he was trying to get to
the scientology building,
628
00:27:25,078 --> 00:27:26,948
and I think he said
he'd seen aliens or
629
00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:28,693
aliens had stopped him.
630
00:27:28,734 --> 00:27:30,744
♪
631
00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:32,519
Which never happened because
632
00:27:32,563 --> 00:27:34,523
he was home with
us the whole time.
633
00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:35,825
So, he starts freaking out.
634
00:27:35,871 --> 00:27:37,481
He's like, "I gotta
break into this building.
635
00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:42,005
I gotta go in that building.
I know the aliens are in there."
636
00:27:42,051 --> 00:27:45,971
I told the guys, I said,
"We can't let him leave."
637
00:27:46,012 --> 00:27:48,802
♪
638
00:27:48,841 --> 00:27:50,281
We gotta hold him down.
639
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,540
We're gonna have to tie him up
and lock him in a room.
640
00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:54,543
We can't let him leave until
he calms down and goes
641
00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:56,405
to sleep 'cause we knew
once he went to sleep,
642
00:27:56,457 --> 00:27:58,017
he would wake up
and he would be fine.
643
00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:59,977
And that's exactly
what happened.
644
00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:03,456
He woke up, didn't even
remember it happening.
645
00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:07,467
♪
646
00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:10,731
Kanyon eventually begins
treatment for bipolar disorder,
647
00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:13,076
and finally feels
empowered to open up
648
00:28:13,126 --> 00:28:14,906
about his sexuality.
649
00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:16,704
He says, "I need to
tell you something."
650
00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:18,698
And I go, "Okay, what's up?"
651
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:20,050
His tone was different,
652
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,399
and he was more serious and,
and I'm just like,
653
00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:24,089
"Is everything okay, man?"
654
00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:26,007
"I just don't know how you're
gonna react to this."
655
00:28:26,052 --> 00:28:27,792
I'm like, "Dude, just tell me."
656
00:28:27,836 --> 00:28:30,396
And he finally spits it out,
he's like, "Kid..."
657
00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:36,057
"I'm gay." And, I said, "Okay."
658
00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:39,845
And he goes,
"You don't hate me?"
659
00:28:39,892 --> 00:28:41,762
I said, "Hate why,
why would I hate you?"
660
00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,107
He goes, "'Cause I'm gay."
661
00:28:43,156 --> 00:28:45,506
And just to be honest,
especially at that time,
662
00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:47,379
that day and age, I was a little
bummed out about it.
663
00:28:47,421 --> 00:28:51,211
I'm like, "What?" I'm like,
"Kanyon's gay?"
664
00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:53,991
Then I started thinking
about it. I go, wait a minute,
665
00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:56,126
that doesn't change
anything. Like,
666
00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:58,429
I'm, I'm really thankful
for that opportunity now, too,
667
00:28:58,475 --> 00:29:01,165
because I really
think that made me...
668
00:29:01,217 --> 00:29:03,787
like, open my eyes
and become a lot more like
669
00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:06,009
understanding and tolerant
towards a lot of things
670
00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:08,358
because it was like
that quick, like,
671
00:29:08,398 --> 00:29:09,618
within a minute I
went from like,
672
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,710
"Oh, man," to like,
"Oh, wait, who cares?"
673
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,880
We were all kind of happy
for him 'cause by this time,
674
00:29:13,926 --> 00:29:19,056
his career wasn't where
he dreamed it could be.
675
00:29:19,105 --> 00:29:21,405
He had been discussing,
on and off,
676
00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:23,715
being an openly gay wrestler.
677
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:27,982
He wanted to really be a
role model in doing it,
678
00:29:28,027 --> 00:29:32,467
but the, the issue was
how do you portray that.
679
00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:35,469
He came out of the closet at
an independent show
680
00:29:35,512 --> 00:29:37,562
where he was wrestling
Diamond Dallas.
681
00:29:37,601 --> 00:29:42,431
And right now, one of the most
controversial wrestlers...
682
00:29:42,476 --> 00:29:43,866
The question I got for you,
my brother...
683
00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:45,832
You gonna pop the
question? Uh-oh.
684
00:29:45,871 --> 00:29:48,441
The rumour that's
going around is...
685
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:50,142
Are you gay?
686
00:29:50,179 --> 00:29:52,049
He figured that it
would be a big deal.
687
00:29:52,094 --> 00:29:54,924
The rumours are true.
I'm gay.
688
00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:58,877
I am the first ever openly
gay professional athlete
689
00:29:58,927 --> 00:30:00,797
active in this country.
690
00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:03,502
You will always be my brother.
691
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,630
The thing was,
we're now in 2006.
692
00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:07,984
And nobody cared.
693
00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:11,033
It was kind of
like too little too late.
694
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:16,250
Orlando Jordan had been
put on television and,
695
00:30:16,292 --> 00:30:19,382
they were gonna announce him
as an openly gay wrestler.
696
00:30:19,426 --> 00:30:22,686
And Kanyon lost
his mind about that.
697
00:30:22,733 --> 00:30:25,613
"They're taking my gimmick!
They're taking my gimmick!"
698
00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:27,169
And I would say,
699
00:30:27,216 --> 00:30:30,786
"Well, you don't have a patent
or trademark on being gay,
700
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,609
and you didn't bring it
up to them before."
701
00:30:33,657 --> 00:30:36,617
He wrote a letter to
Stephanie McMahon saying,
702
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,880
"Please, let me
be the spokesman.
703
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,315
I think I can help kids
that need to come out,"
704
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:44,803
and things like that.
705
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,323
Stephanie wrote him back
this pithy little response,
706
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,057
"I'm so sorry to hear
about your struggles.
707
00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:50,458
I didn't know
about any of this,
708
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,330
but before I can address
your other issues
709
00:30:52,372 --> 00:30:55,682
I have to talk to legal," legal
department or something.
710
00:30:55,723 --> 00:30:57,993
And, he never heard back
from it after that.
711
00:30:58,030 --> 00:31:01,640
A few years prior, Kanyon had
already sealed his fate with
712
00:31:01,685 --> 00:31:05,335
the WWE by attempting a
series of ill-conceived
713
00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:08,205
stunts in the hopes of
getting their attention.
714
00:31:08,257 --> 00:31:10,907
I was WWE's MSG promoter.
715
00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,696
You know, Chris Benoit
just wins his world title.
716
00:31:13,741 --> 00:31:16,141
You had Eddie Guerrero
in the ring.
717
00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:17,918
So, you know, I'm on the floor.
718
00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:21,233
So, this is about a few
minutes after we were off air.
719
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:25,100
I look in the corner of my
eye and I see Chris
720
00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:27,674
jump in the ring, go to
the turnbuckle...
721
00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,851
♪
722
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:33,459
That was some odd
behaviour from him.
723
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,200
You know, I had to
ask myself,
724
00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:36,981
what, you know,
what's going on here?
725
00:31:37,025 --> 00:31:39,805
Later that night, the WWE
was kind enough
726
00:31:39,854 --> 00:31:43,684
to invite him to
the after party.
727
00:31:43,727 --> 00:31:45,287
He goes, "Oh, and by
the way, I just went over to,
728
00:31:45,338 --> 00:31:46,948
to Vince, Vince McMahon,
729
00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:48,992
put my arm around him
and I said,
730
00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:52,297
'Thank you for inviting me
to this party, you know,
731
00:31:52,345 --> 00:31:54,165
even though you
fired me.'"
732
00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:55,906
- Again...
- I don't know why he did that.
733
00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:58,567
Chris was, he, it was like
a downward spiral.
734
00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:01,882
I think his head was stuck
in that, "No, I'm gonna be
735
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400
controversial so they'll
talk about it in the sheets."
736
00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:07,055
You would hear these
stories about,
737
00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,579
"Yeah, Kanyon's sitting
front row at a live event
738
00:32:09,623 --> 00:32:11,493
screaming, you know,
'Give me justice',"
739
00:32:11,538 --> 00:32:13,758
or whatever, whatever the,
the details were.
740
00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:17,281
Any way you slice it,
you could see this isn't good.
741
00:32:17,326 --> 00:32:21,716
The industry may have seen
him as taboo to work with.
742
00:32:21,765 --> 00:32:23,765
That must have been
terrible for Chris.
743
00:32:23,811 --> 00:32:25,551
And then, you know,
he kind of disappeared
744
00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:27,545
for a while after that.
745
00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:28,987
One time he calls me,
746
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:30,824
and we were really
close at this point.
747
00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:33,861
I start the shower and my
phone goes off, and it's Chris.
748
00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,038
And I always
pick up for Chris.
749
00:32:36,084 --> 00:32:37,264
And he's
bawling his eyes out.
750
00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:38,783
And I'm like, "Chris,
calm down, calm--
751
00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:40,176
What's going on?"
752
00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:42,789
"I've had enough.
I'm gonna kill myself."
753
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,350
I said, "Chris, what?"
754
00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:46,788
He's like, "Pray for
me right now, kid.
755
00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,314
Pray for me for me
right now."
756
00:32:48,357 --> 00:32:49,967
And I'm like, my hand's
shaking and I'm like,
757
00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:51,671
I'm praying for this guy.
758
00:32:51,708 --> 00:32:54,018
And, he's bawling and
bawling and bawling,
759
00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:56,629
and like, the entire bathroom's
filling up with steam
760
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,800
'cause like, I'm on
this call for 45 minutes.
761
00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:01,146
I'm crying, and
I'm 19 years old.
762
00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:02,416
I'm trying to
convince this guy,
763
00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:04,978
one of my heroes,
don't kill yourself.
764
00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:06,416
And it was heavy.
765
00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:08,032
And by the time we were
done with the conversation,
766
00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:09,513
I got him to calm down.
767
00:33:09,552 --> 00:33:12,602
And we said a prayer and,
and he told me he loved me.
768
00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:14,562
And, I got off the phone
and I'm just like
769
00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:17,081
standing there,
just going, holy crap,
770
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,465
what was that?
771
00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:21,088
♪
772
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:27,139
In 2006, Kanyon receives
an unexpected call
773
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:28,659
from The Howard Stern Show,
774
00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:31,052
where he eventually
appears as a regular,
775
00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:34,266
demonstrating his wit,
charm, and humour.
776
00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:37,616
He got out there and he
talked about being gay,
777
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:39,577
and he made the
self-deprecating jokes
778
00:33:39,626 --> 00:33:41,406
that he'd always
wanted to do.
779
00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:43,334
If the Mets win,
you gotta suck my dick.
780
00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:44,759
Ah!
781
00:33:44,805 --> 00:33:47,675
Chris Kanyon's a wrestler.
And, he feels he was
782
00:33:47,721 --> 00:33:50,121
kicked out of the WWE
'cause he's gay.
783
00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:52,328
To me,
the Boy George thing,
784
00:33:52,378 --> 00:33:54,078
that was a message,
I thought. You know,
785
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,249
that was like, "If you
come out of the closet,
786
00:33:55,294 --> 00:33:56,604
we're gonna beat the
shit out of you."
787
00:33:56,643 --> 00:33:58,083
[Howard] I see.
788
00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,603
They told me before that,
before I went out there as
789
00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,686
Boy George, they said,
"Sing like a faggot."
790
00:34:01,735 --> 00:34:02,945
- Whoa.
- Oh...
791
00:34:02,997 --> 00:34:04,257
You know...
792
00:34:04,303 --> 00:34:05,613
There was an incident with
him and John Cena
793
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:06,962
on Howard Stern.
794
00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:08,831
He says Vince is a homophobe,
795
00:34:08,872 --> 00:34:11,052
and Chris claims that he
was fired because
796
00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:12,312
he is a gay man.
797
00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:14,144
Here's, here's a weird
thing about Chris,
798
00:34:14,182 --> 00:34:15,842
and I've known
Chris for a long time.
799
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:19,319
He, he actually came out of
the closet after he was fired.
800
00:34:19,361 --> 00:34:20,321
[Howard] Right.
801
00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:22,762
He just, he wasn't any good.
802
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:25,719
I remember when I first saw it,
I was fucking livid.
803
00:34:25,759 --> 00:34:28,019
It was just such a
dirtbag thing to say.
804
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,106
And with Vince, you do
have to have
805
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,495
a certain technical bravado.
806
00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:32,547
You gotta be
able to wrestle.
807
00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:33,812
But at the same time,
it's WWE.
808
00:34:33,854 --> 00:34:35,384
You gotta be able to
entertain the people.
809
00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:37,381
Chris just wasn't any good.
810
00:34:37,423 --> 00:34:39,083
Take Kanyon, you know,
to the general public,
811
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,250
who's like right here.
812
00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:41,985
And then, John Cena,
who's right here.
813
00:34:42,036 --> 00:34:44,386
And if he, you know,
kind of craps on Kanyon.
814
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:47,560
Whatever truth there is
to whatever he's saying,
815
00:34:47,607 --> 00:34:49,777
Cena's gonna basically
stomp it out.
816
00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:52,566
You know, the guys from the
WWE were in an uproar
817
00:34:52,612 --> 00:34:53,612
after your last appearance here.
818
00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:54,786
- Really?
- Did you know that?
819
00:34:54,831 --> 00:34:56,181
No.
820
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:57,624
Ric Flair is on the phone.
He wants to debate you.
821
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,530
Ric Flair is on the phone?
822
00:34:59,575 --> 00:35:01,055
Kanyon loved Ric Flair.
823
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:03,279
Kanyon's Kanyon was Ric Flair.
824
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:04,968
[Ric Flair]
John, John made a good point.
825
00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:07,185
And I'm, I'm disappointed
in Chris as a person.
826
00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:09,535
I've known him a long time,
that he would blame
827
00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:11,495
his shortcomings on
something that's going on
828
00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:12,684
in his personal life.
829
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,979
He started getting
into a fight with
830
00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,845
his childhood hero, Ric Flair.
831
00:35:17,898 --> 00:35:19,728
Ric, we know a lot of guys
inside the business that
832
00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:21,249
are gay, but they don't
want to go national,
833
00:35:21,293 --> 00:35:22,643
be nationally out.
834
00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,945
I did, and I was punished
for wanting to do it.
835
00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:26,652
[Laughing] Yeah.
836
00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:28,469
I guess it kind of didn't
go well for Kanyon.
837
00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:31,037
He put Ric Flair in a position
of having to say,
838
00:35:31,085 --> 00:35:34,385
"Chris, I love you, buddy.
You're a good guy, but...
839
00:35:34,436 --> 00:35:36,956
you're not the Nature Boy.
You're not Stone Cold."
840
00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:40,184
So, you think he could
work for the WWE again?
841
00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:41,355
No, I don't think
he could.
842
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,530
Why not?
843
00:35:42,575 --> 00:35:43,915
I think the opportunity
for Chris Kanyon
844
00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:45,487
has come and gone.
And Cena said,
845
00:35:45,534 --> 00:35:47,064
"Yeah, you are not good
enough right now
846
00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:48,451
to be on the show."
- Okay.
847
00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:50,064
[Howard]
Alright, well, there it is.
848
00:35:50,104 --> 00:35:52,414
Ric Flair backed what
John Cena said,
849
00:35:52,454 --> 00:35:54,764
and Kanyon had a
huge problem with that.
850
00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:56,204
He really kind of
underplayed
851
00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:57,811
how much it affected him.
852
00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:00,591
I think he just didn't want
to admit that
853
00:36:00,636 --> 00:36:03,766
wrestling had that kind of
power over him.
854
00:36:03,813 --> 00:36:06,383
He was a great
professional wrestler.
855
00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:08,945
He was a great entertainer.
856
00:36:08,992 --> 00:36:13,652
And, it was gone.
857
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:17,263
Last time I saw him was
January or February of 2010.
858
00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:20,735
And he had been booked
to work a show for
859
00:36:20,787 --> 00:36:24,357
Mikey Whipwreck,
and the match just,
860
00:36:24,399 --> 00:36:25,919
it was horrible.
861
00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:29,266
It was the worst I've ever
seen him wrestle in his life.
862
00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:31,837
And people started laughing.
863
00:36:31,885 --> 00:36:36,235
Once they're laughing at you
and not with you, you're gone.
864
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:39,891
Total flat finish.
Nobody cared.
865
00:36:39,936 --> 00:36:42,976
But, we went to
the bar afterwards.
866
00:36:43,026 --> 00:36:47,156
He was holding court.
He was the star.
867
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:50,505
He was making all the
self-deprecating gay jokes
868
00:36:50,556 --> 00:36:53,386
and people were laughing
with him, not at him.
869
00:36:53,428 --> 00:36:54,908
One guy walked
up to me:
870
00:36:54,951 --> 00:36:56,651
"Hey, I don't want to
bother you guys,
871
00:36:56,692 --> 00:37:00,352
but will you just let him
know he meant a lot to me,
872
00:37:00,392 --> 00:37:06,272
and he's inspired me
because... because I'm gay."
873
00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:09,271
So, we go back to the hotel
room and everything's great.
874
00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:12,674
And, we walk in, and he
started saying he was sore,
875
00:37:12,708 --> 00:37:14,408
and I asked him what happened.
And he said that he'd
876
00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:16,969
just thrown himself
in front of a car,
877
00:37:17,017 --> 00:37:21,717
trying to kill himself
a couple days earlier.
878
00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:23,111
And I started saying,
"Kanyon,
879
00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:24,593
have you lost
your fucking mind?
880
00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:28,163
Did you see just
see what we did?
881
00:37:28,202 --> 00:37:33,162
Did you see the outpouring
of love from these guys?"
882
00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:35,297
And I said, "You're being
fucking selfish."
883
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,040
And he goes,
884
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,690
"No, Van, you're the one
who's being fucking selfish.
885
00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:42,606
You don't know what
it's like to live in
886
00:37:42,651 --> 00:37:45,441
my fucking brain, to feel
like a fucking freak,
887
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,000
and to fucking hate
yourself every day."
888
00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:52,488
And I yelled at him a little bit
more and, and then he goes,
889
00:37:52,531 --> 00:37:54,751
"Van, I'm gonna stop you
right here."
890
00:37:54,794 --> 00:38:00,324
And we hugged,
and then it was like,
891
00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:02,715
like an episode of
This Is Your Life.
892
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:04,328
He was gonna take me
to the airport and
893
00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,809
we had like 45 minutes to go.
894
00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:09,329
And it was like, "You remember
the time you did this,
895
00:38:09,374 --> 00:38:10,774
you remember the time
you did that?"
896
00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:16,820
And we were howling like
the good old days.
897
00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:20,989
When I got out of the car,
I just fucking lost it.
898
00:38:21,037 --> 00:38:23,647
And I got on the plane, and
I cried the whole way home.
899
00:38:23,692 --> 00:38:25,262
And I found a
little corner seat,
900
00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:27,653
and I got off and my wife
asked me what was wrong.
901
00:38:27,696 --> 00:38:30,476
And I said, "I think he's
gonna do it this time."
902
00:38:30,525 --> 00:38:33,875
♪
903
00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:44,234
That last day I saw him,
I literally knew that
904
00:38:44,278 --> 00:38:46,448
he wasn't gonna be here
much longer.
905
00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:50,198
I started, you know, calling him
several times a day,
906
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,030
every day for
like two weeks.
907
00:38:53,069 --> 00:38:56,379
And he wouldn't
answer the phone, at all.
908
00:38:56,421 --> 00:38:59,951
Then his friend Mike Paserello
called me at,
909
00:38:59,989 --> 00:39:02,379
I think it was like
6 am in the morning,
910
00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:05,207
and that's never a good
time to get a phone call.
911
00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:08,555
And he told me,
told me he was gone.
912
00:39:08,607 --> 00:39:10,737
On April 2nd, 2010,
913
00:39:10,783 --> 00:39:13,573
Chris was found dead
in his childhood home
914
00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,482
in Sunnyside Queens,
New York,
915
00:39:15,527 --> 00:39:18,177
having overdosed
on antidepressants.
916
00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:20,575
His death was
ruled a suicide.
917
00:39:20,619 --> 00:39:24,229
He was 40 years old.
918
00:39:24,274 --> 00:39:28,324
As you can imagine, we took it
how we took it.
919
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:32,626
[Sighing] And ah, you know,
I teared up a little bit.
920
00:39:32,674 --> 00:39:34,634
Said, "Motherfucker!"
921
00:39:34,676 --> 00:39:36,896
I was like so numb.
I didn't know, like,
922
00:39:36,939 --> 00:39:38,939
what to do or feel.
I was just like frozen
923
00:39:38,985 --> 00:39:41,855
'cause it was just,
I was just at a loss.
924
00:39:41,901 --> 00:39:44,341
But I also remember
being relieved because I
925
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:47,992
remembered Chris is now at a
place where he wants to be
926
00:39:48,037 --> 00:39:49,817
because he can't be
in pain, you know.
927
00:39:49,865 --> 00:39:52,165
He's not... it's...
928
00:39:52,215 --> 00:39:56,215
♪
929
00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:58,663
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
930
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:02,050
He, I knew my friend
wasn't suffering anymore.
931
00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:07,265
And it sucked to lose him,
but I just hope that
932
00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:10,357
he's not suffering anymore.
933
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:15,798
I fucking owe everything
to the guy, you know.
934
00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,148
He's horribly missed.
935
00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:20,768
He was one of my best friends.
936
00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:24,289
He wanted to reach
his arms out and help,
937
00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:28,164
you know, me be
successful and...
938
00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:31,038
I love him and I miss him.
939
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,300
It's very rare in
wrestling that you get
940
00:40:33,343 --> 00:40:37,833
somebody that nobody
ever talks bad about.
941
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:39,830
Chris is one of
those guys.
942
00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:42,742
I mean, he was a tortured soul.
943
00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:44,698
If I understood
what was going on,
944
00:40:44,746 --> 00:40:47,746
maybe I could have been a,
you know, more...
945
00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:51,363
more assistance or guided
him in the right way, but...
946
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:52,885
I just didn't know,
and I, you know,
947
00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:55,578
I would just tell
anybody watching this...
948
00:40:55,627 --> 00:41:00,677
if you know anybody who's
bipolar or schizophrenic,
949
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,029
anything like that, to where
they're mental health issues
950
00:41:05,071 --> 00:41:10,991
are interfering with
their day-to-day existence,
951
00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:14,433
do what you have to do.
952
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,952
Fuck any secrets you have.
953
00:41:16,996 --> 00:41:22,306
Go out there and get them
help and save them.
954
00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:23,609
He definitely opened
the door though.
955
00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:25,045
Yes, in the
wrestling industry.
956
00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:27,491
For others to be more
comfortable with coming out,
957
00:41:27,528 --> 00:41:29,878
and that he was one of the
first that I can remember.
958
00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:31,752
He's a pioneer.
959
00:41:31,793 --> 00:41:34,233
You know, he'd be
a hero right now.
960
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:36,974
He really would be a hero.
961
00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:41,056
I think that was too much
of a cross to bear, I really do.
962
00:41:41,107 --> 00:41:42,587
I mean,
now we've got,
963
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:46,240
you know, out gay
wrestlers, trans.
964
00:41:46,286 --> 00:41:48,066
I mean, it's a different world.
965
00:41:48,114 --> 00:41:52,214
Chris Kanyon inspired
and helped
966
00:41:52,248 --> 00:41:57,428
an entire generation
of younger guys.
967
00:41:57,471 --> 00:42:01,001
They show their appreciation
for what he did,
968
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,000
for his legacy by
incorporating his moves
969
00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:06,614
into their matches.
970
00:42:06,654 --> 00:42:08,314
- A superplex.
- Wow!
971
00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:10,011
Who better than Cage!
972
00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:12,269
He was just so under-utilized
and so underappreciated,
973
00:42:12,312 --> 00:42:13,842
so the fact that we
could bring more light
974
00:42:13,879 --> 00:42:15,919
to his name and people can
really understand and
975
00:42:15,968 --> 00:42:17,358
see how great
of a guy he was,
976
00:42:17,404 --> 00:42:18,884
and how great in
the ring he was,
977
00:42:18,927 --> 00:42:22,057
you know, it's better
late than never.
978
00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:25,594
I remember on one road trip in
particular, Chris is like,
979
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:28,020
"You guys don't realize what
I would do to go back and
980
00:42:28,067 --> 00:42:29,627
be your age."
- Oh, yeah.
981
00:42:29,677 --> 00:42:33,117
Trying to break in to wrestling
and make it again right now.
982
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,159
And we just, it didn't
make any sense to me.
983
00:42:35,204 --> 00:42:37,294
"What are you talking about?
You've done it all.
984
00:42:37,337 --> 00:42:39,857
You were on WCW Nitro,
985
00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:41,375
you've been a champion in WWE."
986
00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:42,908
You have your
own action figures,
987
00:42:42,951 --> 00:42:44,471
you've been on video games.
988
00:42:44,518 --> 00:42:46,128
You've done it all, Chris.
And I didn't understand, like,
989
00:42:46,172 --> 00:42:47,832
why would he want to
trade spots with me?
990
00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:51,349
I would do anything, I would
give up anything to be him.
991
00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:53,924
"Guys, listen," he's like,
"the journey there is
992
00:42:53,962 --> 00:42:56,102
so much better than
the destination."
993
00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:57,918
And I'm like, I didn't get it.
994
00:42:57,966 --> 00:43:01,356
And now, I've made it
to the destination,
995
00:43:01,404 --> 00:43:02,844
and he's right.
996
00:43:02,884 --> 00:43:04,194
Like, you're chasing this
thing and when you finally
997
00:43:04,233 --> 00:43:06,853
get to the thing, it doesn't
really make you feel
998
00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:08,018
any better or happier.
999
00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:10,813
You have to be happy
the entire time.
1000
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:12,979
That last night I saw him,
I'd asked him,
1001
00:43:13,025 --> 00:43:14,845
"You know, I've told some of
these stories about the crazy
1002
00:43:14,896 --> 00:43:19,376
shit you did, but you didn't
have the gay subtext to
1003
00:43:19,422 --> 00:43:22,692
explain some of the
behaviour." And I said,
1004
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:25,120
"Do you really want me to
tell these stories?"
1005
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:29,517
He goes, "Shoot, papa, shoot."
"Tell the truth, papa."
1006
00:43:29,563 --> 00:43:32,263
If you pulled out a Ouija
board and I got the
1007
00:43:32,305 --> 00:43:34,955
chance to talk to
him one more time,
1008
00:43:35,003 --> 00:43:37,663
I would just say, "Kanyon,
1009
00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:42,322
you've been an
amazing friend."
1010
00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:45,318
I... I...
1011
00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:48,281
I guess I'd just
hug his ghost.
1012
00:43:48,321 --> 00:43:51,411
[Laughing] You know, oops.
1013
00:43:51,454 --> 00:43:54,074
And he'd go,
"Motherfucker, you missed!"
1014
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:56,019
[Laughing]
1015
00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:59,418
♪
1016
00:43:59,468 --> 00:44:04,018
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