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There's no stopping in
undercover work.
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You say it, comes out of your
mouth, and you've got to live
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with it.
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Everything inside of you is
screaming, "oh, my, god, I hope
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he doesn't find out that I'm an
agent."
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My name is Mike gibeley.
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I've been an f.B.I. Undercover
agent for 19 years.
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If you haven't given a moment's
thought about what you might say
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when you feel a piece of steel
against the back of your head,
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you're not preparing properly.
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When you go to school as a young
kid, you can't imagine that
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you're going to end up someday
being a mafia guy, a white
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collar criminal, or a host of
other undercover assignments
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I've had.
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You're portraying yourself as
somebody you are not.
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That's not easy to do.
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There are no take twos.
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If we make a mistake, we can
die.
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My name is f.B.I. Special agent
Michael r. Mcgowan.
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I served 31 years in the f.B.I.
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There's a five-step process to
working undercover.
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Step one is preparation.
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Step two is preparation.
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Step three is preparation.
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Step four is preparation.
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And step five is go do it.
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Any undercover case, if
you're not nervous, then it's
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time to probably start doing
something else.
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You understand there's inherent
danger.
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The x factor is...
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...something definitely is
going to happen that you didn't
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plan for.
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Ed mclarnon was a pseudo
sovereign citizen type from
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Massachusetts who used the
nickname zed.
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I'm zed mclarnon.
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I've been exposing judicial
corruption since the mid-1990s.
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I'd seen some of Mr.
mclarnon's videos on YouTube and
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online.
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It was clear, having worked a
lot of other domestic terrorism
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cases, that he was someone that
did not acknowledge the
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authority of the United States.
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Your tax dollars are
supporting federal courthouses
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like this across the country
where federal judges cover-up
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the crimes of state judges.
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He hates the government, has
talked about killing f.B.I.
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Agents.
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There was a source in
Baltimore that was reporting
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that Edward mclarnon had a plot
to kill several individuals up
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in Massachusetts.
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My name is Brian leblanc.
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I was the case agent for Edward
mclarnon.
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Mclarnon was attempting to
obtain legal and illegal
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firearms to kill people.
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He wanted to blow up the federal
courthouse in Boston.
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He wanted to murder as many
judges as he could.
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In this particular instance,
he's looking at killing elected
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officials-- an Obama cabinet
member, a United States district
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court judge, and the former
Massachusetts Attorney General.
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We were all very concerned.
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We immediately put up 24-hour
surveillance on all the
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potential victims.
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He was on that pathway to
violence.
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My job is to compile a
profile of the subject, put the
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puzzle together to figure out
who this person is, what's
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motivating them, where they're
going, what they're doing.
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My name is Alyssa Dietrich.
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I'm a tactical analyst with the
f.B.I.
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The first thing that I noticed
about mclarnon was, he hated the
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justice system.
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Mclarnon referred to the loss of
custody of his son as a state-
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sponsored kidnapping.
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How many more children and
families must be destroyed for
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money before we stand up and end
state-sanctioned kidnapping in
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america?
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He believes that something
needs to be done about a corrupt
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judiciary.
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Mr. Mclarnon is a threat.
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It needs to be mitigated, and we
need to disrupt this threat as
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fast as possible.
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"The f.B.I. Declassified,"
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narrated by Alana de la garza
from the CBS series, "f.B.I."
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"The f.B.I. Declassified"
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this case was getting a lot
of pressure from the top.
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We need to vet this out and
determine whether or not this is
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a real threat.
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Narrator: In October 2015,
the f.B.I. Received a tip from a
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government informant.
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He was a friend of Edward "“zed"”
mclarnon, a 67-year-old
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Massachusetts man who was
plotting to assassinate high-
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ranking government officials.
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The source is reporting that
Edward mclarnon has a plan to
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kill federal judge Dennis
saylor; Former Attorney General
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for Massachusetts, Martha
coakley; And the undersecretary
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for homeland security, Lisa
Monaco.
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Narrator: The bureau would
assemble surveillance teams,
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undercover agents, and analysts
like Alyssa Dietrich to try to
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stop mclarnon before he could
launch his attack.
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As I started looking at our
victims, I noticed that each one
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had a tie-in to the court
system.
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Narrator: Dietrich discovered
mclarnon had gone through a
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bitter divorce, and a judge had
awarded custody of his son to
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his ex-wife.
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He was in financial trouble, and
the bank foreclosed on his home.
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He's seeming like a man who
doesn't necessarily take
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responsibility for his own
actions.
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He looked at the court system
not only as his enemy, but as
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almost as an enemy of the united
states.
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How can state and federal
courts operate overtly as
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criminal enterprises?
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Narrator: Mclarnon was public
about his views of the court
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system, posting videos of his
grievances on his own YouTube
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channel.
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They're railroading innocent
citizens into jail to kidnap
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their children.
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He was a self-described
forensic examiner and expert
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witness.
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Narrator: Years earlier, he
seemed to be living a normal
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life.
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He claimed to be a sound
engineer who would work with
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major music acts.
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I built the first 16-track
audio studio in the world, where
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aerosmith recorded their first
album.
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Narrator: But now...
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He was down and out on his
luck.
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He had no other family.
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He had nothing.
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He really blamed the government
for his demise and where he was
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in life.
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Narrator: Just days after
receiving the assassination tip
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from the government's source,
special agent Brian leblanc had
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him call mclarnon as the f.B.I.
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Listened.
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Narrator: But mclarnon was
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hesitant to talk over the phone.
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Chyron
is there any encrypted way
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that we can communicate?
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For me to tell you exactly, you
know, what I want?
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Narrator: To calm mclarnons'
fears, special agent leblanc--
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posing as the source-- set up a
gmail account both he and
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mclarnon could access.
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Within a few hours, mclarnon was
calling to check the account.
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Within a few hours, mclarnon was
calling to check the account.
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It has all the items he
wishes for to conduct his plot--
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hand grenades, an ak-47 pistol
with a silencer, explosives,
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numerous other firearms and
ammunition.
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As soon as I saw that, I knew we
had a case, and I knew that
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Edward mclarnon was serious
about conducting this plot.
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The assessment here was, is
this guy capable or not?
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Doesn't matter.
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What if he goes down the street
and asks somebody else to do it
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and the f.B.I. Was aware?
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You've got to get out on the
street as soon as humanly
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possible and try to prevent
violence.
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Narrator: The best way to
monitor mclarnon and shut down
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his plan was to send in an
undercover agent.
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Mike mcgowan was in charge of
the f.B.I. Boston's undercover
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program.
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His job is to review all the
undercover proposals and then
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determine who's going to be a
best fit for the undercover
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operation.
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Mike mcgowan is, without
question, one of the most
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experienced undercover agents in
f.B.I. History.
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I've been a crime boss.
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I've been a bank robber.
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I've been a leg breaker.
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I've pretty much worked across
all program lines.
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He is my mentor in undercover
work.
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It was never pleasant.
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It was tough love.
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He cares a ton about me and
others, but he's difficult and
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ornery and angry.
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And I love the guy.
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Mike was a horrible
undercover when he started, as
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were I.
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But he was intelligent.
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He was compassionate about the
technique.
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He wanted to learn.
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I have never seen him make the
same mistake twice.
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I got a phone call from Mike
mcgowan, who, in his typical
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ever-loving, friendly way, said,
"get your ass down here, go see
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Brian leblanc."
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Narrator: The plan was for
Mike gibeley to pose as an ex-
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army black market weapons
dealer, someone mclarnon
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believed could sell him
untraceable firearms and
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explosives to carry out his
attacks.
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The source had told me that
he had been in the army, so,
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when it came time to develop the
idea for the undercover
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operation, the easiest way to do
that was to have the undercover
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be an old army buddy.
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Narrator: The problem was,
while Mike gibeley had plenty of
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experience pretending to be a
criminal, he had no experience
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as a soldier in the army.
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In undercover work, we try to
stay close to who we really are
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so we don't have to remember as
many lies.
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At this point, I'm stuck with
it.
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I got to be an army guy even
though I don't know anything
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about the army.
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Accept your
job and you get on it.
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Narrator: As special agent
gibeley worked to setup a face-
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to-face meeting with mclarnon,
the f.B.I. Was watching him
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around the clock.
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That surveillance nearly blew
the f.B.I.'S cover.
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We learned through a
conversation between the source
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and Mr. Mclarnon that he
detected the f.B.I. Installing a
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camera on the pole across the
street from his house.
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Tis guy hated the government,
wanted to kill members of the
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government, and now he knows or
at least believes that we're
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watching him.
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It became a major concern for
us-- is he going to now be
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suspicious of Mike in this whole
operation?
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I wasn't happy about it.
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It certainly elevated my
internal antenna.
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But, at the end of the day, I've
got a job to do.
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The fear was Mr. Mclarnon was
going to go find somebody else,
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and then we've got a terrorist
attack on our hands.
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We take every threat-to-life
investigation that we receive
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extremely seriously, but this
one in particular because the
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plan was so clear and so
concise.
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I was shocked.
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Narrator: Before the f.B.I.
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Could arrest Massachusetts
resident ed mclarnon, they
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needed to determine if he was
acting alone and learn more
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about his deadly plot.
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One of the things I want to
know is, who is he talking to?
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Where is he going?
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We didn't know when he was going
to enact this plan.
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Narrator: The f.B.I. Set up a
meeting across the border in new
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Hampshire between mclarnon and
undercover agent Mike gibeley,
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posing as that arms dealer who
had served in the army.
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We chose a location that I
had previously worked in before.
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It's a legitimate weapons store
owned by an individual who was
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helping the f.B.I.
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A lot of preparation goes into
an undercover meet.
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We have tech agents,
surveillance agents, SWAT
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agents.
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The room needed to be set up to
record.
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Narrator: Of Paramount
importance: Getting mclarnon to
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trust gibeley, especially after
mclarnon noticed those
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surveillance cameras installed
near his home.
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That meant gibeley had to
concoct an elaborate and
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believable back story for his
undercover persona.
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Some details were based on
gibeley's own life.
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I fall back a lot on my being
a kind of knock-around kid from
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the north shore of Boston.
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His plan was to talk to
Edward about his own divorce,
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and so he developed a story
where he was going through
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similar problems that Edward had
gone through.
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On October 28, 2015, Edward
drove up to New Hampshire and
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met with Mike.
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As I was driving to the
location, I'm constantly
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thinking about, what is my
objective?
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Like every other undercover I've
done, I was nervous.
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I was anxious.
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Mike and I discuss an
emergency response plan in the
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event of something happening
that he felt unsafe.
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We have numerous audio and
visual distress signals, coded
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language that can be used.
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Ed mclarnon walked through
the front door.
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He did as instructed.
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He asked for the owner.
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It's mid-fall.
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I dressed the way somebody would
dress who's an outdoorsy type
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who likes guns in New Hampshire.
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I wore a hooded pullover with a
t-shirt, a pair of boots, some
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blue jeans, and I borrowed my
nephew's west point army hat.
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During the meeting, i'm
sitting outside in a vehicle,
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and I'm listening real-time
through a transmitter.
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We also had a SWAT team that was
on standby, as well.
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The primary mission of the
SWAT team is the protection of
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the undercover agent.
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My name is Daniel r. Romanzo.
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I was a supervisor in charge of
the SWAT team during the
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mclarnon case.
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Our SWAT team was in the
vehicles a short distance away,
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close enough so they can respond
but not so close that they
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compromise the operation.
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Narrator: Another f.B.I.
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Undercover agent in a nearby Van
was also listening in.
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He would decide if Mike was in
danger and if the SWAT team
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needed to go in.
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He can interpret what it is
that Mike is saying, how the
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meeting is going.
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My job is not just to find
out what items he wants, but
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what's his plan?
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What's his plot?
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Mr. Mclarnon had said to me
he was looking to do some close
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work.
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He wants a silenced pistol so
that he won't get detected by
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law enforcement when he starts
killing people.
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Mike and Edward started
talking about some of the
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weapons that they had in the
store.
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Narrator: Other weapons that
included an ar-15 and explosive
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devices.
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I begin to show him all
different types of makes,
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models, styles of guns that are
in the store.
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We ultimately decide to go
outside and start shooting guns
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together.
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I'm supposed to be
comfortable around weapons.
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Let's do it.
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I was extremely concerned
because now we have at least one
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firearm that's there.
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It was nerve-wracking, but it
seemed to be going pretty well.
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So, I just took a deep breath
and hoped for the best.
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It was enough to kind of just
break the ice a little bit.
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Narrator: Back inside,
mclarnon-- now confident Mike
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was who he said he was-- began
to open up about how he believed
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the government was persecuting
him and many others.
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He wanted to talk.
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He was a talker.
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And so, if you're an
undercover and you get somebody
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that wants to talk, the job just
got easier.
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That wants to talk, the job just
got easier.
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I originally thought my
conversation with him was going
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to be about Lisa Monaco, judge
saylor and Martha coakley.
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Narrator: Mclarnon did bring
up saylor and coakley but never
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made mention of Monaco.
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Instead, he brought up a new
target.
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He kept talking about this
social worker he wanted to kill.
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He actually identifies a
potential fourth victim, the
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social worker that reviewed his
court case for the child custody
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dispute several years ago.
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That social worker then went on
to marry his ex-wife.
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He goes on to explain to Mike
how he had conducted
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surveillance at this social
worker's office and how he
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actually had a plan of how he
was going to kill him
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having his car parked up in
Maine so that his g.P.S. Would
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record that as an address so he
would have an alibi.
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One of the things that i'm
quickly evaluating and learning
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is, every time he talks about
killing somebody, he starts
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laughing.
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What surprised me most was
how direct and how blunt and how
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deliberate he was about it.
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He explained that he had a
plan to use hand grenades to
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kill federal judge Dennis saylor
at the courthouse...
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...as well as other federal
judges as they were in the
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parking garage underneath the
courthouse.
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At the conclusion of the
meeting, we agreed that we would
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stay in contact.
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I would work up a price list of
what exactly he wanted based on
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all the weapons that I had shown
him.
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There's no doubt, at this point,
that Mr. Mclarnon is a threat.
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It was a race against the
clock to try and prevent him
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from conducting his attack.
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After that first meeting, I
became a lot more concerned.
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I knew that Edward mclarnon was
on that pathway to violence,
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that he had a fourth potential
victim that we didn't know much
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about.
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Narrator: That fourth victim:
The social worker who had
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married his ex-wife.
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He had a family, from what I
knew about him.
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And so, that just elevated our
need to act quickly and make
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sure that mclarnon was off the
streets before somebody got
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hurt.
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Narrator: The day after that
first meeting, special agent
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Brian leblanc, again posing as
the source, sent mclarnon a
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follow-up email.
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Mclarnon quickly responded,
asking for even more artillery
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and ammunition.
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He wants scoped sniper
rifles, different guns with
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silencers on them.
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He wants explosive devices.
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Narrator: While mclarnon was
eager to add those items to his
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arsenal, the f.B.I. Was focused
on confiscating the two weapons
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he already had.
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He informed me that he had a
.38 revolver.
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He also told me that he had a
.22 caliber rifle.
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I knew that was going to be a
problem.
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One of our objectives was to
try and get his firearms away
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from him so that in the event
that he decided he's not going
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to meet with Mike anymore, but
at least we had the firearms
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away from him.
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They are concerned that he's
going to go take the two guns
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that he owns and conducts a
murder.
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So, mcgowan and I come up with a
way to try to get him to bring
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his guns to the next meeting.
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What if we conducted a deal
where you include your guns as
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part of the deal, I'll cut off
some money on the overall
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purchase price of the items
you're trying to buy.
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Narrator: Meanwhile, special
agent leblanc ordeed the
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weapons mclarnon had requested
from the f.B.I. Laboratory in
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Quantico.
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We have a program that will
provide inert firearms and
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explosives for operations like
this.
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And so, I put a request in to
the laboratory to get a pistol
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with a silencer, to get an ak-47
with the required magazines and
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ammunition, as well as hand
grenades.
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Narrator: Just eight days
after the first meeting,
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gibeley-- posing as the arms
dealer-- had a second face-to-
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face meeting with mclarnon at
that gun store.
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The second meeting, at this
point, now, is to formalize the
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terms of the deal, have an
exchange of money, and to get
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those firearms out of his hand.
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Narrator: As part of his
plan, gibeley gave clear
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instructions to mclarnon to
leave his guns in the car.
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I explained to him, the owner
doesn't like that.
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Leave it in the trunk, and I'll
come out and get it.
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And he agreed to that.
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Mr. Mclarnon comes to the
store for our second meeting.
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He's supposed to leave the gun
in the car.
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He does not.
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He immediately pulls it out
of his pocket.
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He has his finger on the
trigger.
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He is a foot and a half away
from me.
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Like any human, my first
instinct is, I'm looking at the
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wrong side of a gun, and I was
scared.
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No doubt about it.
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He actually now had a gun in
the meeting with Mike, so we
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were very concerned.
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The best thing I can come up
with is, the licensed firearms
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dealer needs to make sure that
the gun is properly, safely
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rendered in his store.
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So, I say out loud to the store
owner:
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Narrator: The gun store owner
handed the gun to gibeley.
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There were no bullets in the
chamber.
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The next immediate thing that
crosses my mind is, I'm fine
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now, I'm okay, we're past it.
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But I don't know if my gear is
working, so I don't know if the
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SWAT team heard me.
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I'm trying, through my own
coded language, to say to these
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guys, I'm all right, all right?
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But all I can picture in my head
is 25 SWAT operators dressed in
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fatigues and shields and
flashlights and assault rifles
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crashing through every window
and every door.
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By that time in his career,
Mike had probably seen 50
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examples of what to do or what
not to do in training.
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He's calm.
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He's focused.
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He thinks quickly when he needs
to.
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Narrator: Changing the
subject, gibeley asks mclarnon
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to inspect a series of photos of
the weapons he ordered.
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Mclarnon had a plan and was
determined to go through with
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some sort of violence.
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Right after the situation
with which Mr. Mclarnon pulls
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out his .38, we start
negotiating for the sale of a
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grenade.
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I realize immediately I just
made a huge mistake.
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I get nervous, and I tell
him, "you have 30 seconds."
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I know a grenade goes off in
three seconds.
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Being a bomb technician and a
former marine, I know it doesn't
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take 30 seconds for a hand
grenade to go off, so i'm
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cursing Mike's name at that
point.
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That could blow the whole
operation.
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One slip of the tongue, you
can cost yourself an
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investigation or your life.
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If you work undercover
enough, there's no cut.
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There's no second take.
It's not a movie.
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It's real.
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When you make a mistake, you've
got to roll with it.
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I know how long it takes for
a grenade to go off.
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It's not 30 seconds.
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What's going through my mind is,
does he know I'm not really an
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army person?
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Is he going to back out of the
deal?
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Narrator: All along, mclarnon
was under the impression that
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gibeley was an ex soldier.
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Now, agents worried gibley's
slip-up could place the mission
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in jeopardy.
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Edward mclarnon was either
going to pick up on that because
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he's going to believe, well,
wait a minute, this individual
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had been telling me he's been in
the army and yet he doesn't know
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how long it takes for a hand
grenade to go off?
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And so, that was a major
concern, that that could out
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Mike.
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We broke undercover 101 rule:
Don't be who you aren't.
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But in this case, we didn't have
a choice.
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I had to be the army guy.
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I've never been a day in the
army.
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You can prepare as much as
possible, and something still
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can go wrong.
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And that's where your instinct,
your experience and your
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training should take over.
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Just like playing ball-- if you
make a fumble, you get ready for
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the next play.
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Narrator: Outside the gun
store, the SWAT team and agent
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Brian leblanc listened in,
anxious to hear gibeley's next
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move.
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Narrator: But mclarnon
remained fixated on the timing
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of the grenades.
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Mclarnon will not leave the
30-second issue alone, and he
480
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:44,480
continues to talk about how he
wants to place the grenades
481
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:48,300
either under a car or inside the
car of the judges as they're
482
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:51,030
pulling into the federal
courthouse.
483
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:54,960
And he's afraid the judge is
going to have time to throw it
484
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,240
back at him.
485
00:30:56,270 --> 00:30:58,200
Narrator: So, gibeley decided
to own his mistake, asking the
486
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:05,750
gun shop owner about grenades.
487
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:19,060
Narrator: The gun shop owner
told him three to 30 seconds.
488
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,820
I begin to basically tell
him, hey, I made a mistake.
489
00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:22,820
I know it's not 30.
490
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:24,410
I don't know why that came out
of my mouth.
491
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,200
But I tell you what, I will
confirm with my army personnel
492
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,820
the exact time that you are
looking for.
493
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:36,410
Narrator: Confident that he
had diffused the situation,
494
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:51,030
gibeley continued to try and
close the deal.
495
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:53,200
During the meeting, we agree
that he was going to buy two
496
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,580
firearms, one with a silencer on
it, two hand grenades and a
497
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:58,240
bunch of ammunition,
essentially, in exchange for
498
00:31:58,270 --> 00:32:05,680
about $700 and his two firearms.
499
00:32:06,790 --> 00:32:10,170
Mr. Mclarnon handed me $450
as down payment.
500
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,510
We then agreed that I would send
him a message in coded terms
501
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:18,200
later that day, saying, "let's
get together tomorrow for
502
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,370
coffee."
503
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:20,510
Narrator: Just before the
meeting ended, gibeley gave
504
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:25,030
mclarnon one last chance to
reconsider.
505
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,610
There were numerous occasions
in which I said to him things
506
00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:32,340
such as, "hey, if you don't want
to do this, there's the door,"
507
00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:33,930
or "if you don't want to do
this, no problem, I'll give you
508
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,580
your money back."
509
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:45,170
So, I started to rehash with
him, tell me again why you want
510
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,130
to do this?
511
00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:56,550
And it was clear to me that this
didn't bother him at all.
512
00:32:56,580 --> 00:33:03,000
Narrator: Instead of
arresting mclarnon on the spot,
513
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:06,370
the f.B.I., wanting to make the
strongest case possible, made
514
00:33:06,410 --> 00:33:08,030
the decision to move forward
with the final phase of the
515
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:11,100
undercover operation.
516
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:14,650
We had had an exchange of
money and an agreement at that
517
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,930
point.
518
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,030
I'm comfortable that we could
have made an arrest potentially
519
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:19,300
there, but he doesn't have
custody of any of the equipment
520
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,270
yet.
521
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,300
I developed an operational
plan and an arrest plan in
522
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:26,580
coordination with the SWAT team
leader.
523
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:32,060
During the planning process,
we conducted a site survey of
524
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:35,480
the area where everyone is going
to be.
525
00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:37,300
We sat down with the undercovers
and stepped through exactly
526
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:40,440
what, how the plan was going to
play out.
527
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,550
Narrator: Now, the f.B.I. Had
to find a good location for the
528
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:46,440
final meet.
529
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,510
They chose a rest stop in
seabrook, New Hampshire, just
530
00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:53,580
over the border from
massachussetts.
531
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:57,720
I knew he was coming from the
north shore of Massachusetts.
532
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:59,750
He knew I was a New Hampshire
guy.
533
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:04,030
I told him I did not want to
travel interstate with the
534
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:05,270
firearms.
535
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,340
During an arrest like that in
a public area, we can't stop
536
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:08,030
traffic.
537
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:10,270
We can't vacate the rest area.
538
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:15,240
It needs to seem like a normal
course of business.
539
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:16,750
We train on the different
scenarios that we can expect.
540
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:21,200
We're always concerned about
what we call a rip, that he was
541
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:26,300
just going to steal the stuff
from Mike, possibly shoot him.
542
00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:29,030
Narrator: Later that night,
another email was sent to
543
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:35,060
mclarnon with directions to the
location.
544
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,580
After I posted in the draft
folder the location and the time
545
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:40,200
of the meeting, it didn't take
Edward very long to reply and
546
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,750
confirm that he was going to be
coming.
547
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:47,030
It is a nerve-wracking period
of those 24 hours, waiting to
548
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:48,960
see what's going to happen.
549
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,060
Is he going to show up with a
weapon and try and do something?
550
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:53,060
And then, ultimately, is he
going to follow through with the
551
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,370
purchase?
552
00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:56,720
We knew that this person was
considered armed and dangerous.
553
00:34:56,750 --> 00:35:00,890
What is a little surprising is
when grenades are in play.
554
00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:03,440
Mclarnon was moving so
quickly to get the items he
555
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,300
needed to go through with his
plan.
556
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:08,130
We want to make sure that
we're always one step ahead so
557
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:09,300
that nobody gets hurt.
558
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:35,820
There's a lot of moving parts
on takedown day.
559
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:38,820
My overall mindset is, let's
finalize the deal and then give
560
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:41,370
a safe and effective takedown
sign so the SWAT team can do
561
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:47,200
what it has to do.
562
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:51,200
Surveillance had the plane up,
and ground surveillance was
563
00:35:51,240 --> 00:36:00,300
following mclarnon from his
house.
564
00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:04,170
Narrator: The f.B.I. SWAT
team was in position.
565
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,930
F.b.i. Veteran Brian leblanc
knew what was at stake.
566
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,170
Everybody's a bit nervous.
567
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,960
It's that combination of not
knowing, one, is Edward going to
568
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,650
follow through with this plan?
569
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,790
Two, is Mike going to be safe?
570
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:16,890
If you're not nervous, you're
either doing it wrong or
571
00:36:16,930 --> 00:36:23,300
something's wrong with you,
period.
572
00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:25,480
Narrator: Wired with a hidden
camera, Mike gibeley made his
573
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:28,720
way to mclarnon's parked car.
574
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:32,300
Quite honestly, I had had
enough of him, all the
575
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:36,550
conversation we're having about
killing people, how much he
576
00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:38,300
hates the f.B.I.
577
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:42,790
I was looking forward to this
being over.
578
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:43,370
There's no small talk anymore.
579
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:47,370
For him, it's go time.
580
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,930
We walk over to the back of
my vehicle, where we have a
581
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,860
hockey bag that has all of the
items that I showed him.
582
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:09,550
It's clear to me he just wants
the bag, and he wants to go.
583
00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:16,930
I'm not going to let him do
that.
584
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,030
I'm going to now get one more
opportunity to show for the jury
585
00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:35,610
every single item that he's
going to take.
586
00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:41,580
Each moment that goes on that
Mike is having a discussion with
587
00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:43,960
mclarnon at the rear of the
vehicle is one more second that
588
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,890
mclarnon could decide to do
something bad to Mike.
589
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:55,240
Honestly, it seems like an
eternity.
590
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:55,860
I point to the bag.
591
00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:59,060
He reaches in the trunk...
592
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:05,650
...puts the bag on his
shoulder.
593
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,720
He turns and starts walking in
the opposite direction.
594
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:12,340
I give the arrest signal, and I
can see the SWAT team coming.
595
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:23,580
And at that point, my job is to
get out of the way.
596
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:29,930
Narrator: With gibeley out of
harm's way, it was go time.
597
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,680
The SWAT operators in that
first vehicle had their m4
598
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,820
rifles pointed at Mr. Mclarnon,
yelling at him to get his hands
599
00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:39,410
up.
600
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,100
Brought Mr. Mclarnon to the
ground and safely got him under
601
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:47,750
arrest.
602
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:51,170
Narrator: It took three weeks
for the f.B.I. To build their
603
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,960
case, but the arrest of Edward
mclarnon was over in just
604
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,930
minutes.
605
00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:02,030
Narrator: Special agent
leblanc let mclarnon know the
606
00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:07,820
f.b.i. Had already built a
strong case.
607
00:39:07,820 --> 00:39:12,060
F.b.i. Had already built a
strong case.
608
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:28,550
Narrator: Mclarnon said the
f.B.I. Had it all wrong.
609
00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:30,680
He had a unique defense.
610
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,860
He claimed he was writing a
movie and buying weapons as part
611
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:35,790
of his research.
612
00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:41,650
He claimed he never planned to
hurt anyone
613
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:45,820
he claimed he never planned to
hurt anyone
614
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,370
Narrator: Mclarnon
represented himself in court and
615
00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:11,100
claimed he was the one working
undercover.
616
00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:14,030
The trial lasted six days.
617
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:17,820
It took the jury just four hours
to find mclarnon guilty.
618
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:24,610
He was sentenced to 25 years in
prison.
619
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:27,960
I do this work for a number
of reasons, but one of the
620
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,610
biggest reasons I do it for is
that personal satisfaction of
621
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:37,300
taking an individual like Edward
mclarnon off the street.
622
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:41,370
I truly believe that if he
hadn't been arrested, we would
623
00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:43,610
have been hearing about him on
the news, and it wouldn't have
624
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:47,930
been for a good reason.
625
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,240
One of my favorite lines is,
"no one's ever arrested a
626
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:54,030
computer."
627
00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:55,790
At some point, you're going to
have to go face to face with
628
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:59,270
somebody and make it happen.
629
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:01,440
So, that's why we have to spend
the appropriate time, effort and
630
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,410
energy keeping this technique
alive and well.
631
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,340
I would do this job for food
money.
632
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:11,000
It doesn't just turn on and off.
633
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:11,480
It's not a profession.
634
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:14,680
It's an obsession.
635
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,000
It's how you live your life.
636
00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:21,340
It would not be fair to say this
hasn't impacted my family, and
637
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:27,650
it's been challenging at times
over the years.
638
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,650
The phone rings, we go.
639
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,890
There's a problem, we go.
640
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:37,860
We fight for people who don't
have the ability to fight for
641
00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:39,170
themselves.
642
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,550
It's one of the things I Cherish
most about this job is being in
643
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:44,340
that role, and that's why it's
worth it.
644
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,750
There was only one suspect in
this case.
645
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:22,610
Who else would want this
sweet, young lady murdered?
646
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:25,030
Decades later, the prime
suspect arrested,
647
00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:27,130
but a witness changes
everything.
648
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,000
I kept the secret for 30
years.
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