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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,270 There's no stopping in undercover work. 2 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:28,200 You say it, comes out of your mouth, and you've got to live 3 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,440 with it. 4 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,370 Everything inside of you is screaming, "oh, my, god, I hope 5 00:00:32,410 --> 00:00:35,890 he doesn't find out that I'm an agent." 6 00:00:35,930 --> 00:00:37,410 My name is Mike gibeley. 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:44,860 I've been an f.B.I. Undercover agent for 19 years. 8 00:00:44,890 --> 00:00:47,440 If you haven't given a moment's thought about what you might say 9 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:51,310 when you feel a piece of steel against the back of your head, 10 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:55,890 you're not preparing properly. 11 00:00:55,930 --> 00:00:58,440 When you go to school as a young kid, you can't imagine that 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,680 you're going to end up someday being a mafia guy, a white 13 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,820 collar criminal, or a host of other undercover assignments 14 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:09,030 I've had. 15 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:19,000 You're portraying yourself as somebody you are not. 16 00:01:19,030 --> 00:01:23,100 That's not easy to do. 17 00:01:23,130 --> 00:01:25,060 There are no take twos. 18 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:28,720 If we make a mistake, we can die. 19 00:01:28,750 --> 00:01:33,270 My name is f.B.I. Special agent Michael r. Mcgowan. 20 00:01:33,310 --> 00:01:36,030 I served 31 years in the f.B.I. 21 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:41,270 There's a five-step process to working undercover. 22 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:43,310 Step one is preparation. 23 00:01:43,340 --> 00:01:45,060 Step two is preparation. 24 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:45,680 Step three is preparation. 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,270 Step four is preparation. 26 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:52,200 And step five is go do it. 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,550 Any undercover case, if you're not nervous, then it's 28 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:59,310 time to probably start doing something else. 29 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:06,620 You understand there's inherent danger. 30 00:02:06,650 --> 00:02:11,030 The x factor is... 31 00:02:11,060 --> 00:02:13,340 ...something definitely is going to happen that you didn't 32 00:02:13,370 --> 00:02:21,270 plan for. 33 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:25,270 Ed mclarnon was a pseudo sovereign citizen type from 34 00:02:25,310 --> 00:02:29,790 Massachusetts who used the nickname zed. 35 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:31,030 I'm zed mclarnon. 36 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:34,240 I've been exposing judicial corruption since the mid-1990s. 37 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:37,270 I'd seen some of Mr. mclarnon's videos on YouTube and 38 00:02:37,310 --> 00:02:39,680 online. 39 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,440 It was clear, having worked a lot of other domestic terrorism 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,790 cases, that he was someone that did not acknowledge the 41 00:02:45,820 --> 00:02:47,720 authority of the United States. 42 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:51,720 Your tax dollars are supporting federal courthouses 43 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:54,890 like this across the country where federal judges cover-up 44 00:02:54,930 --> 00:02:57,440 the crimes of state judges. 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,240 He hates the government, has talked about killing f.B.I. 46 00:03:00,270 --> 00:03:04,240 Agents. 47 00:03:04,270 --> 00:03:06,510 There was a source in Baltimore that was reporting 48 00:03:06,550 --> 00:03:09,650 that Edward mclarnon had a plot to kill several individuals up 49 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,820 in Massachusetts. 50 00:03:10,860 --> 00:03:11,890 My name is Brian leblanc. 51 00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:17,340 I was the case agent for Edward mclarnon. 52 00:03:17,370 --> 00:03:21,860 Mclarnon was attempting to obtain legal and illegal 53 00:03:21,890 --> 00:03:25,860 firearms to kill people. 54 00:03:25,890 --> 00:03:28,370 He wanted to blow up the federal courthouse in Boston. 55 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:32,240 He wanted to murder as many judges as he could. 56 00:03:32,270 --> 00:03:37,820 In this particular instance, he's looking at killing elected 57 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:40,270 officials-- an Obama cabinet member, a United States district 58 00:03:40,310 --> 00:03:45,820 court judge, and the former Massachusetts Attorney General. 59 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:46,960 We were all very concerned. 60 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,820 We immediately put up 24-hour surveillance on all the 61 00:03:49,860 --> 00:03:50,650 potential victims. 62 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:56,170 He was on that pathway to violence. 63 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:05,030 My job is to compile a profile of the subject, put the 64 00:04:05,060 --> 00:04:10,240 puzzle together to figure out who this person is, what's 65 00:04:10,270 --> 00:04:13,930 motivating them, where they're going, what they're doing. 66 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,790 My name is Alyssa Dietrich. 67 00:04:14,820 --> 00:04:19,750 I'm a tactical analyst with the f.B.I. 68 00:04:19,790 --> 00:04:21,860 The first thing that I noticed about mclarnon was, he hated the 69 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:25,930 justice system. 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,860 Mclarnon referred to the loss of custody of his son as a state- 71 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:31,720 sponsored kidnapping. 72 00:04:31,750 --> 00:04:34,580 How many more children and families must be destroyed for 73 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:39,310 money before we stand up and end state-sanctioned kidnapping in 74 00:04:39,340 --> 00:04:42,130 america? 75 00:04:42,170 --> 00:04:45,820 He believes that something needs to be done about a corrupt 76 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:48,930 judiciary. 77 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:56,510 Mr. Mclarnon is a threat. 78 00:04:56,550 --> 00:05:03,650 It needs to be mitigated, and we need to disrupt this threat as 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,030 fast as possible. 80 00:05:23,370 --> 00:05:25,790 "The f.B.I. Declassified," 81 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:29,340 narrated by Alana de la garza from the CBS series, "f.B.I." 82 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:41,030 "The f.B.I. Declassified" 83 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:49,960 this case was getting a lot of pressure from the top. 84 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,550 We need to vet this out and determine whether or not this is 85 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:56,550 a real threat. 86 00:05:58,060 --> 00:05:59,820 Narrator: In October 2015, the f.B.I. Received a tip from a 87 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:01,270 government informant. 88 00:06:01,310 --> 00:06:06,680 He was a friend of Edward "“zed"” mclarnon, a 67-year-old 89 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,820 Massachusetts man who was plotting to assassinate high- 90 00:06:08,860 --> 00:06:11,100 ranking government officials. 91 00:06:11,130 --> 00:06:19,860 The source is reporting that Edward mclarnon has a plan to 92 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:23,820 kill federal judge Dennis saylor; Former Attorney General 93 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:26,960 for Massachusetts, Martha coakley; And the undersecretary 94 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:34,200 for homeland security, Lisa Monaco. 95 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,340 Narrator: The bureau would assemble surveillance teams, 96 00:06:39,370 --> 00:06:46,310 undercover agents, and analysts like Alyssa Dietrich to try to 97 00:06:46,340 --> 00:06:54,030 stop mclarnon before he could launch his attack. 98 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:58,440 As I started looking at our victims, I noticed that each one 99 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:05,030 had a tie-in to the court system. 100 00:07:05,060 --> 00:07:06,960 Narrator: Dietrich discovered mclarnon had gone through a 101 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,960 bitter divorce, and a judge had awarded custody of his son to 102 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,270 his ex-wife. 103 00:07:12,310 --> 00:07:18,790 He was in financial trouble, and the bank foreclosed on his home. 104 00:07:18,820 --> 00:07:22,750 He's seeming like a man who doesn't necessarily take 105 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:29,890 responsibility for his own actions. 106 00:07:29,930 --> 00:07:32,930 He looked at the court system not only as his enemy, but as 107 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,890 almost as an enemy of the united states. 108 00:07:35,930 --> 00:07:39,130 How can state and federal courts operate overtly as 109 00:07:39,170 --> 00:07:41,890 criminal enterprises? 110 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:43,860 Narrator: Mclarnon was public about his views of the court 111 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:46,930 system, posting videos of his grievances on his own YouTube 112 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,310 channel. 113 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:53,860 They're railroading innocent citizens into jail to kidnap 114 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:55,000 their children. 115 00:07:55,030 --> 00:07:56,100 He was a self-described forensic examiner and expert 116 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:57,310 witness. 117 00:07:57,340 --> 00:08:00,170 Narrator: Years earlier, he seemed to be living a normal 118 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,030 life. 119 00:08:02,060 --> 00:08:03,130 He claimed to be a sound engineer who would work with 120 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:05,510 major music acts. 121 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:09,000 I built the first 16-track audio studio in the world, where 122 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:12,200 aerosmith recorded their first album. 123 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,030 Narrator: But now... 124 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:14,860 He was down and out on his luck. 125 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:16,170 He had no other family. 126 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,480 He had nothing. 127 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:20,130 He really blamed the government for his demise and where he was 128 00:08:20,170 --> 00:08:22,550 in life. 129 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:24,790 Narrator: Just days after receiving the assassination tip 130 00:08:24,820 --> 00:08:30,170 from the government's source, special agent Brian leblanc had 131 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,130 him call mclarnon as the f.B.I. 132 00:08:32,170 --> 00:08:39,100 Listened. 133 00:08:39,130 --> 00:08:42,030 Narrator: But mclarnon was 134 00:08:42,060 --> 00:08:44,030 hesitant to talk over the phone. 135 00:08:44,060 --> 00:08:44,820 Chyron is there any encrypted way 136 00:08:44,860 --> 00:08:47,370 that we can communicate? 137 00:08:47,410 --> 00:08:50,030 For me to tell you exactly, you know, what I want? 138 00:08:50,060 --> 00:08:54,100 Narrator: To calm mclarnons' fears, special agent leblanc-- 139 00:08:54,130 --> 00:09:00,170 posing as the source-- set up a gmail account both he and 140 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,440 mclarnon could access. 141 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:11,480 Within a few hours, mclarnon was calling to check the account. 142 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:18,790 Within a few hours, mclarnon was calling to check the account. 143 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:20,820 It has all the items he wishes for to conduct his plot-- 144 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:28,240 hand grenades, an ak-47 pistol with a silencer, explosives, 145 00:09:28,270 --> 00:09:31,650 numerous other firearms and ammunition. 146 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:34,790 As soon as I saw that, I knew we had a case, and I knew that 147 00:09:34,820 --> 00:09:43,170 Edward mclarnon was serious about conducting this plot. 148 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,890 The assessment here was, is this guy capable or not? 149 00:09:47,930 --> 00:09:49,200 Doesn't matter. 150 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,100 What if he goes down the street and asks somebody else to do it 151 00:09:51,130 --> 00:09:54,620 and the f.B.I. Was aware? 152 00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:56,550 You've got to get out on the street as soon as humanly 153 00:09:56,580 --> 00:10:04,100 possible and try to prevent violence. 154 00:10:04,130 --> 00:10:06,720 Narrator: The best way to monitor mclarnon and shut down 155 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:11,720 his plan was to send in an undercover agent. 156 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:14,860 Mike mcgowan was in charge of the f.B.I. Boston's undercover 157 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:16,130 program. 158 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:17,340 His job is to review all the undercover proposals and then 159 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:20,100 determine who's going to be a best fit for the undercover 160 00:10:20,130 --> 00:10:24,890 operation. 161 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:26,580 Mike mcgowan is, without question, one of the most 162 00:10:26,620 --> 00:10:35,170 experienced undercover agents in f.B.I. History. 163 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,060 I've been a crime boss. 164 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:38,410 I've been a bank robber. 165 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:39,440 I've been a leg breaker. 166 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,620 I've pretty much worked across all program lines. 167 00:10:41,650 --> 00:10:46,480 He is my mentor in undercover work. 168 00:10:46,510 --> 00:10:49,030 It was never pleasant. 169 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:50,240 It was tough love. 170 00:10:50,270 --> 00:10:54,000 He cares a ton about me and others, but he's difficult and 171 00:10:54,030 --> 00:10:56,240 ornery and angry. 172 00:10:56,270 --> 00:10:58,300 And I love the guy. 173 00:10:59,510 --> 00:11:03,100 Mike was a horrible undercover when he started, as 174 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:04,410 were I. 175 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,820 But he was intelligent. 176 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:09,480 He was compassionate about the technique. 177 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:11,170 He wanted to learn. 178 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:17,480 I have never seen him make the same mistake twice. 179 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:20,930 I got a phone call from Mike mcgowan, who, in his typical 180 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,510 ever-loving, friendly way, said, "get your ass down here, go see 181 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:31,890 Brian leblanc." 182 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:35,130 Narrator: The plan was for Mike gibeley to pose as an ex- 183 00:11:35,170 --> 00:11:38,930 army black market weapons dealer, someone mclarnon 184 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,030 believed could sell him untraceable firearms and 185 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:45,650 explosives to carry out his attacks. 186 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,240 The source had told me that he had been in the army, so, 187 00:11:47,270 --> 00:11:49,240 when it came time to develop the idea for the undercover 188 00:11:49,270 --> 00:11:55,030 operation, the easiest way to do that was to have the undercover 189 00:11:55,060 --> 00:11:58,270 be an old army buddy. 190 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:00,410 Narrator: The problem was, while Mike gibeley had plenty of 191 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,480 experience pretending to be a criminal, he had no experience 192 00:12:03,510 --> 00:12:07,100 as a soldier in the army. 193 00:12:07,130 --> 00:12:10,720 In undercover work, we try to stay close to who we really are 194 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:15,750 so we don't have to remember as many lies. 195 00:12:15,790 --> 00:12:18,200 At this point, I'm stuck with it. 196 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,270 I got to be an army guy even though I don't know anything 197 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:21,860 about the army. 198 00:12:21,890 --> 00:12:26,960 Accept your job and you get on it. 199 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,820 Narrator: As special agent gibeley worked to setup a face- 200 00:12:30,860 --> 00:12:34,440 to-face meeting with mclarnon, the f.B.I. Was watching him 201 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,510 around the clock. 202 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:39,060 That surveillance nearly blew the f.B.I.'S cover. 203 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:43,790 We learned through a conversation between the source 204 00:12:43,820 --> 00:12:46,170 and Mr. Mclarnon that he detected the f.B.I. Installing a 205 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,620 camera on the pole across the street from his house. 206 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:52,650 Tis guy hated the government, wanted to kill members of the 207 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:56,580 government, and now he knows or at least believes that we're 208 00:12:56,620 --> 00:12:59,410 watching him. 209 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,620 It became a major concern for us-- is he going to now be 210 00:13:02,650 --> 00:13:07,580 suspicious of Mike in this whole operation? 211 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:10,650 I wasn't happy about it. 212 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:11,680 It certainly elevated my internal antenna. 213 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,410 But, at the end of the day, I've got a job to do. 214 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:22,650 The fear was Mr. Mclarnon was going to go find somebody else, 215 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:24,000 and then we've got a terrorist attack on our hands. 216 00:13:42,820 --> 00:13:46,680 We take every threat-to-life investigation that we receive 217 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,680 extremely seriously, but this one in particular because the 218 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,720 plan was so clear and so concise. 219 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:56,680 I was shocked. 220 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,890 Narrator: Before the f.B.I. 221 00:13:57,930 --> 00:14:02,680 Could arrest Massachusetts resident ed mclarnon, they 222 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,860 needed to determine if he was acting alone and learn more 223 00:14:03,890 --> 00:14:09,680 about his deadly plot. 224 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,790 One of the things I want to know is, who is he talking to? 225 00:14:12,820 --> 00:14:14,720 Where is he going? 226 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:18,030 We didn't know when he was going to enact this plan. 227 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:20,720 Narrator: The f.B.I. Set up a meeting across the border in new 228 00:14:20,750 --> 00:14:28,130 Hampshire between mclarnon and undercover agent Mike gibeley, 229 00:14:28,170 --> 00:14:29,790 posing as that arms dealer who had served in the army. 230 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:32,510 We chose a location that I had previously worked in before. 231 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:37,960 It's a legitimate weapons store owned by an individual who was 232 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,100 helping the f.B.I. 233 00:14:39,130 --> 00:14:41,240 A lot of preparation goes into an undercover meet. 234 00:14:41,270 --> 00:14:43,410 We have tech agents, surveillance agents, SWAT 235 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,300 agents. 236 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:47,750 The room needed to be set up to record. 237 00:14:47,790 --> 00:14:51,860 Narrator: Of Paramount importance: Getting mclarnon to 238 00:14:51,890 --> 00:14:54,750 trust gibeley, especially after mclarnon noticed those 239 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:58,510 surveillance cameras installed near his home. 240 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:59,960 That meant gibeley had to concoct an elaborate and 241 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,480 believable back story for his undercover persona. 242 00:15:03,510 --> 00:15:08,480 Some details were based on gibeley's own life. 243 00:15:08,510 --> 00:15:13,890 I fall back a lot on my being a kind of knock-around kid from 244 00:15:13,930 --> 00:15:17,200 the north shore of Boston. 245 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,480 His plan was to talk to Edward about his own divorce, 246 00:15:19,510 --> 00:15:22,300 and so he developed a story where he was going through 247 00:15:22,340 --> 00:15:28,170 similar problems that Edward had gone through. 248 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,370 On October 28, 2015, Edward drove up to New Hampshire and 249 00:15:31,410 --> 00:15:33,060 met with Mike. 250 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:37,130 As I was driving to the location, I'm constantly 251 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,440 thinking about, what is my objective? 252 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,960 Like every other undercover I've done, I was nervous. 253 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,100 I was anxious. 254 00:15:45,130 --> 00:15:46,860 Mike and I discuss an emergency response plan in the 255 00:15:46,890 --> 00:15:50,580 event of something happening that he felt unsafe. 256 00:15:50,620 --> 00:15:56,300 We have numerous audio and visual distress signals, coded 257 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:59,130 language that can be used. 258 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:03,270 Ed mclarnon walked through the front door. 259 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:03,860 He did as instructed. 260 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:06,410 He asked for the owner. 261 00:16:07,580 --> 00:16:08,930 It's mid-fall. 262 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,720 I dressed the way somebody would dress who's an outdoorsy type 263 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:13,750 who likes guns in New Hampshire. 264 00:16:13,790 --> 00:16:18,240 I wore a hooded pullover with a t-shirt, a pair of boots, some 265 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:24,720 blue jeans, and I borrowed my nephew's west point army hat. 266 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:26,060 During the meeting, i'm sitting outside in a vehicle, 267 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:27,790 and I'm listening real-time through a transmitter. 268 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:30,170 We also had a SWAT team that was on standby, as well. 269 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,890 The primary mission of the SWAT team is the protection of 270 00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:38,440 the undercover agent. 271 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,440 My name is Daniel r. Romanzo. 272 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,340 I was a supervisor in charge of the SWAT team during the 273 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:45,300 mclarnon case. 274 00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:49,930 Our SWAT team was in the vehicles a short distance away, 275 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,340 close enough so they can respond but not so close that they 276 00:16:54,370 --> 00:16:56,130 compromise the operation. 277 00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:57,270 Narrator: Another f.B.I. 278 00:16:57,300 --> 00:17:00,620 Undercover agent in a nearby Van was also listening in. 279 00:17:00,650 --> 00:17:04,100 He would decide if Mike was in danger and if the SWAT team 280 00:17:04,130 --> 00:17:07,680 needed to go in. 281 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,510 He can interpret what it is that Mike is saying, how the 282 00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:12,510 meeting is going. 283 00:17:12,550 --> 00:17:17,510 My job is not just to find out what items he wants, but 284 00:17:17,550 --> 00:17:20,370 what's his plan? 285 00:17:20,410 --> 00:17:22,860 What's his plot? 286 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:32,370 Mr. Mclarnon had said to me he was looking to do some close 287 00:17:32,410 --> 00:17:33,610 work. 288 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:35,820 He wants a silenced pistol so that he won't get detected by 289 00:17:35,860 --> 00:17:42,240 law enforcement when he starts killing people. 290 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:43,820 Mike and Edward started talking about some of the 291 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:46,030 weapons that they had in the store. 292 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:51,300 Narrator: Other weapons that included an ar-15 and explosive 293 00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:54,890 devices. 294 00:17:54,930 --> 00:17:57,820 I begin to show him all different types of makes, 295 00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:01,370 models, styles of guns that are in the store. 296 00:18:01,410 --> 00:18:04,030 We ultimately decide to go outside and start shooting guns 297 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:07,750 together. 298 00:18:07,790 --> 00:18:08,790 I'm supposed to be comfortable around weapons. 299 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:11,890 Let's do it. 300 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:14,890 I was extremely concerned because now we have at least one 301 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:16,170 firearm that's there. 302 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,580 It was nerve-wracking, but it seemed to be going pretty well. 303 00:18:19,610 --> 00:18:25,720 So, I just took a deep breath and hoped for the best. 304 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:32,030 It was enough to kind of just break the ice a little bit. 305 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:36,030 Narrator: Back inside, mclarnon-- now confident Mike 306 00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:39,240 was who he said he was-- began to open up about how he believed 307 00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:46,300 the government was persecuting him and many others. 308 00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:46,820 He wanted to talk. 309 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:50,300 He was a talker. 310 00:18:57,370 --> 00:19:01,030 And so, if you're an undercover and you get somebody 311 00:19:01,060 --> 00:19:11,060 that wants to talk, the job just got easier. 312 00:19:11,060 --> 00:19:19,060 That wants to talk, the job just got easier. 313 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,410 I originally thought my conversation with him was going 314 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,820 to be about Lisa Monaco, judge saylor and Martha coakley. 315 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:32,370 Narrator: Mclarnon did bring up saylor and coakley but never 316 00:19:32,410 --> 00:19:33,200 made mention of Monaco. 317 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,030 Instead, he brought up a new target. 318 00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:45,200 He kept talking about this social worker he wanted to kill. 319 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,930 He actually identifies a potential fourth victim, the 320 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,340 social worker that reviewed his court case for the child custody 321 00:19:51,370 --> 00:19:53,410 dispute several years ago. 322 00:19:53,440 --> 00:20:03,720 That social worker then went on to marry his ex-wife. 323 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:08,030 He goes on to explain to Mike how he had conducted 324 00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:11,370 surveillance at this social worker's office and how he 325 00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:19,130 actually had a plan of how he was going to kill him 326 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:21,300 having his car parked up in Maine so that his g.P.S. Would 327 00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:32,300 record that as an address so he would have an alibi. 328 00:20:32,340 --> 00:20:37,860 One of the things that i'm quickly evaluating and learning 329 00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:39,300 is, every time he talks about killing somebody, he starts 330 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:44,000 laughing. 331 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,410 What surprised me most was how direct and how blunt and how 332 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,240 deliberate he was about it. 333 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,750 He explained that he had a plan to use hand grenades to 334 00:21:14,790 --> 00:21:27,130 kill federal judge Dennis saylor at the courthouse... 335 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:28,550 ...as well as other federal judges as they were in the 336 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:36,720 parking garage underneath the courthouse. 337 00:21:36,750 --> 00:21:39,750 At the conclusion of the meeting, we agreed that we would 338 00:21:39,790 --> 00:21:41,060 stay in contact. 339 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,100 I would work up a price list of what exactly he wanted based on 340 00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:46,610 all the weapons that I had shown him. 341 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:50,060 There's no doubt, at this point, that Mr. Mclarnon is a threat. 342 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:52,130 It was a race against the clock to try and prevent him 343 00:21:52,170 --> 00:21:53,680 from conducting his attack. 344 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:19,410 After that first meeting, I became a lot more concerned. 345 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,650 I knew that Edward mclarnon was on that pathway to violence, 346 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,720 that he had a fourth potential victim that we didn't know much 347 00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:25,930 about. 348 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,270 Narrator: That fourth victim: The social worker who had 349 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,200 married his ex-wife. 350 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,550 He had a family, from what I knew about him. 351 00:22:32,580 --> 00:22:37,030 And so, that just elevated our need to act quickly and make 352 00:22:37,060 --> 00:22:40,820 sure that mclarnon was off the streets before somebody got 353 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:42,550 hurt. 354 00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:45,410 Narrator: The day after that first meeting, special agent 355 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,720 Brian leblanc, again posing as the source, sent mclarnon a 356 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:51,340 follow-up email. 357 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:55,170 Mclarnon quickly responded, asking for even more artillery 358 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,000 and ammunition. 359 00:22:59,030 --> 00:23:01,550 He wants scoped sniper rifles, different guns with 360 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:02,750 silencers on them. 361 00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:06,270 He wants explosive devices. 362 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,440 Narrator: While mclarnon was eager to add those items to his 363 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,510 arsenal, the f.B.I. Was focused on confiscating the two weapons 364 00:23:13,550 --> 00:23:14,820 he already had. 365 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:17,790 He informed me that he had a .38 revolver. 366 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:21,370 He also told me that he had a .22 caliber rifle. 367 00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:24,550 I knew that was going to be a problem. 368 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:27,240 One of our objectives was to try and get his firearms away 369 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:30,960 from him so that in the event that he decided he's not going 370 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,480 to meet with Mike anymore, but at least we had the firearms 371 00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:33,750 away from him. 372 00:23:33,790 --> 00:23:36,270 They are concerned that he's going to go take the two guns 373 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,510 that he owns and conducts a murder. 374 00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:42,370 So, mcgowan and I come up with a way to try to get him to bring 375 00:23:42,410 --> 00:23:46,240 his guns to the next meeting. 376 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:48,680 What if we conducted a deal where you include your guns as 377 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,440 part of the deal, I'll cut off some money on the overall 378 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,030 purchase price of the items you're trying to buy. 379 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,860 Narrator: Meanwhile, special agent leblanc ordeed the 380 00:23:58,890 --> 00:24:01,720 weapons mclarnon had requested from the f.B.I. Laboratory in 381 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:05,130 Quantico. 382 00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:08,000 We have a program that will provide inert firearms and 383 00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:09,240 explosives for operations like this. 384 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:12,550 And so, I put a request in to the laboratory to get a pistol 385 00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:17,030 with a silencer, to get an ak-47 with the required magazines and 386 00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:23,480 ammunition, as well as hand grenades. 387 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:26,790 Narrator: Just eight days after the first meeting, 388 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:30,100 gibeley-- posing as the arms dealer-- had a second face-to- 389 00:24:30,130 --> 00:24:33,790 face meeting with mclarnon at that gun store. 390 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:36,270 The second meeting, at this point, now, is to formalize the 391 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,270 terms of the deal, have an exchange of money, and to get 392 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,240 those firearms out of his hand. 393 00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:47,550 Narrator: As part of his plan, gibeley gave clear 394 00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:50,680 instructions to mclarnon to leave his guns in the car. 395 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,650 I explained to him, the owner doesn't like that. 396 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,790 Leave it in the trunk, and I'll come out and get it. 397 00:24:55,820 --> 00:25:00,240 And he agreed to that. 398 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:12,480 Mr. Mclarnon comes to the store for our second meeting. 399 00:25:12,510 --> 00:25:14,270 He's supposed to leave the gun in the car. 400 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:17,610 He does not. 401 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:20,750 He immediately pulls it out of his pocket. 402 00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:22,550 He has his finger on the trigger. 403 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:25,270 He is a foot and a half away from me. 404 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:28,610 Like any human, my first instinct is, I'm looking at the 405 00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:32,580 wrong side of a gun, and I was scared. 406 00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:35,170 No doubt about it. 407 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,890 He actually now had a gun in the meeting with Mike, so we 408 00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:42,550 were very concerned. 409 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:46,860 The best thing I can come up with is, the licensed firearms 410 00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:50,170 dealer needs to make sure that the gun is properly, safely 411 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,580 rendered in his store. 412 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:59,130 So, I say out loud to the store owner: 413 00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:00,720 Narrator: The gun store owner handed the gun to gibeley. 414 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:03,300 There were no bullets in the chamber. 415 00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:06,650 The next immediate thing that crosses my mind is, I'm fine 416 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,860 now, I'm okay, we're past it. 417 00:26:08,890 --> 00:26:12,890 But I don't know if my gear is working, so I don't know if the 418 00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:16,170 SWAT team heard me. 419 00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:22,680 I'm trying, through my own coded language, to say to these 420 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,130 guys, I'm all right, all right? 421 00:26:25,170 --> 00:26:31,650 But all I can picture in my head is 25 SWAT operators dressed in 422 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,650 fatigues and shields and flashlights and assault rifles 423 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:43,200 crashing through every window and every door. 424 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,580 By that time in his career, Mike had probably seen 50 425 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:56,480 examples of what to do or what not to do in training. 426 00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:57,820 He's calm. 427 00:26:57,860 --> 00:27:00,410 He's focused. 428 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:09,410 He thinks quickly when he needs to. 429 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,790 Narrator: Changing the subject, gibeley asks mclarnon 430 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:24,170 to inspect a series of photos of the weapons he ordered. 431 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,750 Mclarnon had a plan and was determined to go through with 432 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:28,550 some sort of violence. 433 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:31,720 Right after the situation with which Mr. Mclarnon pulls 434 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:35,550 out his .38, we start negotiating for the sale of a 435 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:37,550 grenade. 436 00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:01,240 I realize immediately I just made a huge mistake. 437 00:28:01,270 --> 00:28:04,200 I get nervous, and I tell him, "you have 30 seconds." 438 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,170 I know a grenade goes off in three seconds. 439 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,480 Being a bomb technician and a former marine, I know it doesn't 440 00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:14,300 take 30 seconds for a hand grenade to go off, so i'm 441 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,650 cursing Mike's name at that point. 442 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,000 That could blow the whole operation. 443 00:28:20,030 --> 00:28:22,440 One slip of the tongue, you can cost yourself an 444 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,820 investigation or your life. 445 00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:46,580 If you work undercover enough, there's no cut. 446 00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:53,580 There's no second take. It's not a movie. 447 00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:54,680 It's real. 448 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:01,610 When you make a mistake, you've got to roll with it. 449 00:29:01,650 --> 00:29:03,790 I know how long it takes for a grenade to go off. 450 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:05,860 It's not 30 seconds. 451 00:29:05,890 --> 00:29:12,000 What's going through my mind is, does he know I'm not really an 452 00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:12,820 army person? 453 00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:15,130 Is he going to back out of the deal? 454 00:29:15,170 --> 00:29:18,510 Narrator: All along, mclarnon was under the impression that 455 00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:20,300 gibeley was an ex soldier. 456 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:22,440 Now, agents worried gibley's slip-up could place the mission 457 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,370 in jeopardy. 458 00:29:25,410 --> 00:29:28,410 Edward mclarnon was either going to pick up on that because 459 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,440 he's going to believe, well, wait a minute, this individual 460 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,030 had been telling me he's been in the army and yet he doesn't know 461 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:36,820 how long it takes for a hand grenade to go off? 462 00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:40,030 And so, that was a major concern, that that could out 463 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,200 Mike. 464 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,720 We broke undercover 101 rule: Don't be who you aren't. 465 00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:46,650 But in this case, we didn't have a choice. 466 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,100 I had to be the army guy. 467 00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:51,930 I've never been a day in the army. 468 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,440 You can prepare as much as possible, and something still 469 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,300 can go wrong. 470 00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:59,440 And that's where your instinct, your experience and your 471 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,750 training should take over. 472 00:30:00,790 --> 00:30:04,000 Just like playing ball-- if you make a fumble, you get ready for 473 00:30:04,030 --> 00:30:07,000 the next play. 474 00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:11,650 Narrator: Outside the gun store, the SWAT team and agent 475 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,200 Brian leblanc listened in, anxious to hear gibeley's next 476 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,410 move. 477 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,610 Narrator: But mclarnon remained fixated on the timing 478 00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:37,170 of the grenades. 479 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,820 Mclarnon will not leave the 30-second issue alone, and he 480 00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:44,480 continues to talk about how he wants to place the grenades 481 00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:48,300 either under a car or inside the car of the judges as they're 482 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:51,030 pulling into the federal courthouse. 483 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:54,960 And he's afraid the judge is going to have time to throw it 484 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,240 back at him. 485 00:30:56,270 --> 00:30:58,200 Narrator: So, gibeley decided to own his mistake, asking the 486 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:05,750 gun shop owner about grenades. 487 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:19,060 Narrator: The gun shop owner told him three to 30 seconds. 488 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,820 I begin to basically tell him, hey, I made a mistake. 489 00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:22,820 I know it's not 30. 490 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:24,410 I don't know why that came out of my mouth. 491 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,200 But I tell you what, I will confirm with my army personnel 492 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,820 the exact time that you are looking for. 493 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:36,410 Narrator: Confident that he had diffused the situation, 494 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:51,030 gibeley continued to try and close the deal. 495 00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:53,200 During the meeting, we agree that he was going to buy two 496 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,580 firearms, one with a silencer on it, two hand grenades and a 497 00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:58,240 bunch of ammunition, essentially, in exchange for 498 00:31:58,270 --> 00:32:05,680 about $700 and his two firearms. 499 00:32:06,790 --> 00:32:10,170 Mr. Mclarnon handed me $450 as down payment. 500 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,510 We then agreed that I would send him a message in coded terms 501 00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:18,200 later that day, saying, "let's get together tomorrow for 502 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,370 coffee." 503 00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:20,510 Narrator: Just before the meeting ended, gibeley gave 504 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:25,030 mclarnon one last chance to reconsider. 505 00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,610 There were numerous occasions in which I said to him things 506 00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:32,340 such as, "hey, if you don't want to do this, there's the door," 507 00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:33,930 or "if you don't want to do this, no problem, I'll give you 508 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,580 your money back." 509 00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:45,170 So, I started to rehash with him, tell me again why you want 510 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,130 to do this? 511 00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:56,550 And it was clear to me that this didn't bother him at all. 512 00:32:56,580 --> 00:33:03,000 Narrator: Instead of arresting mclarnon on the spot, 513 00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:06,370 the f.B.I., wanting to make the strongest case possible, made 514 00:33:06,410 --> 00:33:08,030 the decision to move forward with the final phase of the 515 00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:11,100 undercover operation. 516 00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:14,650 We had had an exchange of money and an agreement at that 517 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,930 point. 518 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,030 I'm comfortable that we could have made an arrest potentially 519 00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:19,300 there, but he doesn't have custody of any of the equipment 520 00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,270 yet. 521 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,300 I developed an operational plan and an arrest plan in 522 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:26,580 coordination with the SWAT team leader. 523 00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:32,060 During the planning process, we conducted a site survey of 524 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:35,480 the area where everyone is going to be. 525 00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:37,300 We sat down with the undercovers and stepped through exactly 526 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:40,440 what, how the plan was going to play out. 527 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,550 Narrator: Now, the f.B.I. Had to find a good location for the 528 00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:46,440 final meet. 529 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,510 They chose a rest stop in seabrook, New Hampshire, just 530 00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:53,580 over the border from massachussetts. 531 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:57,720 I knew he was coming from the north shore of Massachusetts. 532 00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:59,750 He knew I was a New Hampshire guy. 533 00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:04,030 I told him I did not want to travel interstate with the 534 00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:05,270 firearms. 535 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,340 During an arrest like that in a public area, we can't stop 536 00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:08,030 traffic. 537 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:10,270 We can't vacate the rest area. 538 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:15,240 It needs to seem like a normal course of business. 539 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:16,750 We train on the different scenarios that we can expect. 540 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:21,200 We're always concerned about what we call a rip, that he was 541 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:26,300 just going to steal the stuff from Mike, possibly shoot him. 542 00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:29,030 Narrator: Later that night, another email was sent to 543 00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:35,060 mclarnon with directions to the location. 544 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,580 After I posted in the draft folder the location and the time 545 00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:40,200 of the meeting, it didn't take Edward very long to reply and 546 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,750 confirm that he was going to be coming. 547 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:47,030 It is a nerve-wracking period of those 24 hours, waiting to 548 00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:48,960 see what's going to happen. 549 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,060 Is he going to show up with a weapon and try and do something? 550 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:53,060 And then, ultimately, is he going to follow through with the 551 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,370 purchase? 552 00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:56,720 We knew that this person was considered armed and dangerous. 553 00:34:56,750 --> 00:35:00,890 What is a little surprising is when grenades are in play. 554 00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:03,440 Mclarnon was moving so quickly to get the items he 555 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,300 needed to go through with his plan. 556 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:08,130 We want to make sure that we're always one step ahead so 557 00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:09,300 that nobody gets hurt. 558 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:35,820 There's a lot of moving parts on takedown day. 559 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:38,820 My overall mindset is, let's finalize the deal and then give 560 00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:41,370 a safe and effective takedown sign so the SWAT team can do 561 00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:47,200 what it has to do. 562 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:51,200 Surveillance had the plane up, and ground surveillance was 563 00:35:51,240 --> 00:36:00,300 following mclarnon from his house. 564 00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:04,170 Narrator: The f.B.I. SWAT team was in position. 565 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,930 F.b.i. Veteran Brian leblanc knew what was at stake. 566 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,170 Everybody's a bit nervous. 567 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,960 It's that combination of not knowing, one, is Edward going to 568 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,650 follow through with this plan? 569 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,790 Two, is Mike going to be safe? 570 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:16,890 If you're not nervous, you're either doing it wrong or 571 00:36:16,930 --> 00:36:23,300 something's wrong with you, period. 572 00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:25,480 Narrator: Wired with a hidden camera, Mike gibeley made his 573 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:28,720 way to mclarnon's parked car. 574 00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:32,300 Quite honestly, I had had enough of him, all the 575 00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:36,550 conversation we're having about killing people, how much he 576 00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:38,300 hates the f.B.I. 577 00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:42,790 I was looking forward to this being over. 578 00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:43,370 There's no small talk anymore. 579 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:47,370 For him, it's go time. 580 00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,930 We walk over to the back of my vehicle, where we have a 581 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,860 hockey bag that has all of the items that I showed him. 582 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:09,550 It's clear to me he just wants the bag, and he wants to go. 583 00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:16,930 I'm not going to let him do that. 584 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,030 I'm going to now get one more opportunity to show for the jury 585 00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:35,610 every single item that he's going to take. 586 00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:41,580 Each moment that goes on that Mike is having a discussion with 587 00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:43,960 mclarnon at the rear of the vehicle is one more second that 588 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,890 mclarnon could decide to do something bad to Mike. 589 00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:55,240 Honestly, it seems like an eternity. 590 00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:55,860 I point to the bag. 591 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:59,060 He reaches in the trunk... 592 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:05,650 ...puts the bag on his shoulder. 593 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,720 He turns and starts walking in the opposite direction. 594 00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:12,340 I give the arrest signal, and I can see the SWAT team coming. 595 00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:23,580 And at that point, my job is to get out of the way. 596 00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:29,930 Narrator: With gibeley out of harm's way, it was go time. 597 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,680 The SWAT operators in that first vehicle had their m4 598 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,820 rifles pointed at Mr. Mclarnon, yelling at him to get his hands 599 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:39,410 up. 600 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,100 Brought Mr. Mclarnon to the ground and safely got him under 601 00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:47,750 arrest. 602 00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:51,170 Narrator: It took three weeks for the f.B.I. To build their 603 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,960 case, but the arrest of Edward mclarnon was over in just 604 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,930 minutes. 605 00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:02,030 Narrator: Special agent leblanc let mclarnon know the 606 00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:07,820 f.b.i. Had already built a strong case. 607 00:39:07,820 --> 00:39:12,060 F.b.i. Had already built a strong case. 608 00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:28,550 Narrator: Mclarnon said the f.B.I. Had it all wrong. 609 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:30,680 He had a unique defense. 610 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,860 He claimed he was writing a movie and buying weapons as part 611 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:35,790 of his research. 612 00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:41,650 He claimed he never planned to hurt anyone 613 00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:45,820 he claimed he never planned to hurt anyone 614 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,370 Narrator: Mclarnon represented himself in court and 615 00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:11,100 claimed he was the one working undercover. 616 00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:14,030 The trial lasted six days. 617 00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:17,820 It took the jury just four hours to find mclarnon guilty. 618 00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:24,610 He was sentenced to 25 years in prison. 619 00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:27,960 I do this work for a number of reasons, but one of the 620 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,610 biggest reasons I do it for is that personal satisfaction of 621 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:37,300 taking an individual like Edward mclarnon off the street. 622 00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:41,370 I truly believe that if he hadn't been arrested, we would 623 00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:43,610 have been hearing about him on the news, and it wouldn't have 624 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:47,930 been for a good reason. 625 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,240 One of my favorite lines is, "no one's ever arrested a 626 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:54,030 computer." 627 00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:55,790 At some point, you're going to have to go face to face with 628 00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:59,270 somebody and make it happen. 629 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:01,440 So, that's why we have to spend the appropriate time, effort and 630 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,410 energy keeping this technique alive and well. 631 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,340 I would do this job for food money. 632 00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:11,000 It doesn't just turn on and off. 633 00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:11,480 It's not a profession. 634 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:14,680 It's an obsession. 635 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,000 It's how you live your life. 636 00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:21,340 It would not be fair to say this hasn't impacted my family, and 637 00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:27,650 it's been challenging at times over the years. 638 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,650 The phone rings, we go. 639 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,890 There's a problem, we go. 640 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:37,860 We fight for people who don't have the ability to fight for 641 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:39,170 themselves. 642 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,550 It's one of the things I Cherish most about this job is being in 643 00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:44,340 that role, and that's why it's worth it. 644 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,750 There was only one suspect in this case. 645 00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:22,610 Who else would want this sweet, young lady murdered? 646 00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:25,030 Decades later, the prime suspect arrested, 647 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:27,130 but a witness changes everything. 648 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,000 I kept the secret for 30 years. 53900

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