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With your index finger,
I want you to touch your nose.
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Do it with each side.
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Get your hands
out of your pockets.
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Don't touch the wall.
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One, two, three, four, five.
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Five, four, three, two, one.
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All right, very good.
Have a seat.
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If it is your second DWI,
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your license will be suspended
for up to a year.
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I... I'm going to...
I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
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You gotta go to the bathroom?
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Yeah. You gonna get sick?
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Nope.
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All right.
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Let's go, Kevin.
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Shit.
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Prisoner is loose
in the building.
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Good morning, everybody.
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KTRX AM 440, Des Moines.
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It is just before 6:00 a.m.
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Skies are cloudy.
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And Tom Thompson,a mechanic from Marshalltown...
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¶ We walked along the shadows ¶
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¶ Later in the afternoon ¶
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¶ We stood like strangers ¶
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¶ And the sunlight
rushing through ¶
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Socrates is quoted as saying,
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"Nothing is to be preferredbefore justice."
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It's what we seekwhen we're wronged,
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but like all philosophy,this is simply a hypothesis.
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Monday started outlike any other day:
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Wake up, kiss my wife Nancy,run three miles.
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My mind was sharp,my body agile.
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But since I passed the bar,
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I just needed a couple of easyvictories to keep me going,
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to keep truth on my side.
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Good morning. Hi.
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Gracey. Anybody get hurt today?
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Every day, boss.
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You have three messages
on your desk.
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Only three?
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In the last year,I had come to believe
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that the only wayto keep my head above water
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was to take cases
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where I had to setmy own moral beliefs aside.
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And here I am.
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Three miles every day,
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trying to convince myselfthat it's all worth it.
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Jury, have you reached
a verdict?
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Yes, Your Honor, we have.
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How do you find the defendant?
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Not liable, Your Honor.
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Case dismissed.
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Look, I'm sorry.
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They're lying,
can't you see that?
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I know, I know.
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Can I give you
some bus fare home?
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You've got to be kidding me.
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His name's Otis.
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Who's that, the owner?
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Yeah.
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Otis.
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Look at these.
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Which one's real,
which one's fake?
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Hmm.
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Well, uh, they're both zircons.
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Fuckin' worthless, man.
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Come on, man.
Nobody can tell the difference.
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It's like a Lincoln
from a Cadillac.
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Look, we go on the road
with this shit,
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we're make us a fortune.
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How do you know?
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Know what?
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The difference between
a Lincoln and a Cadillac?
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My dad drives a Cadillac,
and it ain't no fucking Lincoln.
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All I'm saying is
I want us to be partners, okay?
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I'll take care of you.
Don't worry about a thing.
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Yeah, boy,
you don't believe me?
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I don't trust you, Eric.
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Who pays your bills?
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Me.
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Who sits up with you
all night long
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when you're depressed?
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Me. And, you don't trust me?
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Kevin, come on?
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You patronize me.
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You-you... You tell me all the
things you think I want to hear,
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and then you use me.
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I mean, you still
haven't fuckin' paid me.
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I sold two grand worth of shit
for you, and I want my cut.
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All right, take it.
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You sell;
Keep whatever you want.
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They're fucking worthless, man!
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They're zircons.
I just said that!
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Come here.
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Come on.
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Hey, you used to be
so different.
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You were still a virgin
when I met you.
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Oh, fuck you, man.
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Nobody's gonna see. Come on.
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I'll give you your money.
I will.
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Put your fuckin' dick away,
Eric.
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Kevin, I'm sorry, man.
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Look, it's only
your third case.
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You can get your ass handed
to you in personal injury.
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Wow, now I'm getting advice
from my paralegal.
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Yeah, with six years experience
in the courtroom, as you know.
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Besides, I only have to
pass the bar.
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Iowa bar is tough.
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Yeah, how many times
you take it?
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Once. First to finish.
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Liar.
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Wow, that's not bad
for a Philosophy major.
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You never did tell me
how you went
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from Socrates
to the penal code.
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It's not that much
of a leap, really.
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I mean, it goes back
to the Romans.
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Plato wrote
whole volumes of law
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for the King of Syracuse
in Greece.
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Law is built on theory.
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Sure, what's right and wrong.
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Exactly. All right,
take, for example, today.
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Our client completely refused
a field sobriety test,
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he refused arrest,
and he got smacked for it.
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Now, do I agree
with what the cops did?
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No.
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It's that manipulation,
that balance of power,
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that made me
want to become a lawyer.
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We're the great equalizers,
Monica.
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It's not my third case.
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I know. Right.
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It's your fourth.
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Look, honestly,
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you've got to
play the jury more.
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Right and wrong is something
they decide in their gut.
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You can't expect them
to absorb all those facts.
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They need a hook, you know,
something to grasp.
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The jury today
bought that cop's story.
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Especially juror number four.
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Yeah, well, foreman's
usually a dominant white male.
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And, nobody wants to believe
that cops hurt innocent people.
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Nobody. Not even me.
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All right, no more
police brutality cases.
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They're impossible to win.
I'm serious.
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You're the boss. Yes, I am.
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I got to go study
for that brutal lowa bar.
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Yes, you do.
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And when I pass,
I expect a raise.
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Counselor, we need to win
a couple of cases first.
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Don't think too much.
It's not good for you.
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Thanks, appreciate that.
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Nighty-night. Nighty-night.
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I got it. I got your car.
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Hey, look who's
home late again!
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Hey, Daddy. Hey, buddy.
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Where's Bert?
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Bert and Clark
had a little fight.
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Any blood shed?
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Bert was mean to me.
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Bert's in his room.
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Hmm.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, you gotta
give his mommy a kiss first.
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Honey, what's wrong?
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What do you think?
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You lost?
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I'll go talk to Bert.
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Okay.
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Whoosh.
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Tough day, partner?
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What happened?
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Well, we were playing cars,
and I wanted to race them
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to see who was the fastest.
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And I started to race them,
and Clark tried to stop me,
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and I hit him.
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Oh, well,
you're his big brother, Bert.
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You gotta protect him,
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'cause that's what
big brothers do.
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Okay, bud? Okay.
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I love you. Love you, too.
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All right, so I am gonna
send Mommy in,
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and she'll bring some milk,
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but I don't want
any more fighting.
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Okay? Okay.
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Promise? Yes.
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Okay. Good night, bud.
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Good night.
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The contestants camefrom all over the country,
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driving all sort of cars...
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You talk to him?
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Stu, did you talk to him?
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He's okay.
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He's a good boy.
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Maybe Bert and Clark
shouldn't share a room.
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Why not?
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They fight constantly.
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Yeah, well, they have to learn
how to get along;
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How to make compromises.
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Can you take Bert
to soccer practice on Friday?
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I just...
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I just thought this was
open and shut case.
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I mean, now the guy
has got no job,
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no income,
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no car.
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Hey sweetie, can't you wait
until dinner, huh?
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And go put on a shirt
before you sit
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down at the table, okay, hun?
Yes, ma'am.
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Stop it. Get out of here.
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You're going out tonight,
aren't you?
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Oh, come on. You're hardly
ever home anymore.
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I'm 21 years old, guys.
Don't worry.
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It's my job to worry.
It's in the Mom handbook.
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I'm driving up to Marshalltown.
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Really? To see who?
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Nobody.
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¶ He's got a girlfriend
in Marshalltown ¶
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No.
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I mean, you know,
there are girls there,
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just none of them
happen to be my girlfriend.
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What do you think, Dad?
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You think the girls are prettier
here, or in Marshalltown?
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I think the prettiest girl
in the world
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is sitting right at this table.
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Right now.
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Oh, you.
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Hey, you really wanna drive an
hour all the up to Marshalltown?
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It's an hour. It's fine.
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This guy Eric lives up there.
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I know him.
He owes me some money.
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Then some people
are meeting up at a bar. Okay?
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What?
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Okay, I'll have three beers.
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Four if they're lights.
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I mean, you guys really think
I want another DWI?
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I should hope not. Well, just...
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Call... Just call, you hear?
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I know.
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Sure, Mom.
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Hey, what about me?
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What about you?
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I have to hold back.
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I just wanna bite him.
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Not here, leave a message.
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Eric, pick up!
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You know what?
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You know what, man?
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I mean, I'd call you
a loser and a liar,
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but I think you know
what a piece of shit you are.
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I mean, you-you... You can't even
pay me what you owe me.
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You know, what kind of fuckin'
man does that make you?
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So you know what...? By the way,
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I'm at the bar here by myself,
you fuckin' asshole.
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Excuse me. Sorry.
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Why are you so sad?
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I'm not sad.
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I'm Cara, with a "C".
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I'm Kevin, with a "K".
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You want to play some pool?
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No, I'm no good at pool.
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Plus, if I lost,
I'd feel really stupid.
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Well, what if I let you win?
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You got a girlfriend?
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You know, that's
the second time
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someone's asked me
that question today.
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00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:53,898
No, no, I don't.
265
00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:56,267
Do you have a girlfriend?
266
00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:59,570
No.
267
00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:02,012
I don't have
a boyfriend either.
268
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,680
I-I need to... I need to go.
269
00:19:10,617 --> 00:19:14,485
Oh, wait. Wait, um.
270
00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:16,154
Here.
271
00:19:24,397 --> 00:19:26,564
Promise you'll call?
272
00:19:29,369 --> 00:19:31,702
Yeah, I promise.
273
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:34,305
Okay.
274
00:20:32,699 --> 00:20:33,898
¶ All right ¶
275
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,633
¶ And it's believin' ¶
276
00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:37,602
¶ Don't be shy ¶
277
00:20:37,604 --> 00:20:38,803
¶ You know me ¶
278
00:20:38,805 --> 00:20:41,639
¶ I'm on your side ¶
279
00:20:41,641 --> 00:20:43,307
¶ Public deceiver ¶
280
00:20:43,309 --> 00:20:44,642
¶ Take a hike ¶
281
00:20:44,644 --> 00:20:46,811
¶ We don't want you
or your lies ¶
282
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,354
Shit. Oh, shit.
283
00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:34,592
Thomas, honey, get the phone.
284
00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:42,033
Hello? Yes, this is he.
285
00:21:42,035 --> 00:21:44,702
Who is it?
286
00:21:44,704 --> 00:21:46,904
Which hospital?
287
00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:50,608
Thomas? What?
288
00:21:50,610 --> 00:21:54,712
I don't understand.
What press release?
289
00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:58,649
Well, what can you tell me?
290
00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:01,052
Kevin! Kevin!
291
00:22:01,054 --> 00:22:02,053
Beverly?
292
00:22:02,055 --> 00:22:04,855
Thomas, he's not here.
293
00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:24,842
Anybody get hurt today, Grace?
294
00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:27,478
You have an appointment
with the Thackers.
295
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,713
I'm sorry, who?
296
00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:30,881
Thomas and Beverly Thacker
at 10:30.
297
00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:32,550
Thackers. Thank you.
298
00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:48,466
Thomas and Beverly.
299
00:22:50,603 --> 00:22:52,403
Hello. Hi, Beverly.
300
00:22:52,405 --> 00:22:54,472
Oh, you're so young. Oh.
301
00:22:54,474 --> 00:22:55,673
Thomas.
302
00:22:55,675 --> 00:22:56,974
Mr. Pepper. Hi, there.
303
00:22:56,976 --> 00:22:57,975
Please, have a seat.
304
00:22:57,977 --> 00:23:00,497
Call me Stu. Thanks, Grace.
305
00:23:05,818 --> 00:23:08,853
So how can I help you?
306
00:23:08,855 --> 00:23:11,522
Well, you're
a civil lawyer, right?
307
00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:14,425
You defended that fella
308
00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:17,595
who allegedly was hit
by a police officer?
309
00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:19,663
Yes, I work in personal injury.
310
00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:21,098
But you lost the case? Thomas.
311
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:25,936
No, to be honest, yes, I did.
312
00:23:25,938 --> 00:23:27,858
It's not something
I am proud of.
313
00:23:32,044 --> 00:23:35,413
Well, um, our son was arrested a
few months ago for drunk driving
314
00:23:35,415 --> 00:23:36,981
by the Marshalltown police.
315
00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:38,015
How old is he?
316
00:23:38,017 --> 00:23:41,952
He was 21.
317
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:46,657
And they took him to
Marshalltown Police Department,
318
00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:49,927
and they were booking him,
319
00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:52,530
and supposedly
he tried to escape custody.
320
00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:55,433
How drunk was he?
321
00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:56,434
Very.
322
00:23:56,436 --> 00:23:59,103
Point two blood-alcohol. Yes.
323
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:03,541
They say that he ran up the
stairs, and up to the roof of
324
00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:05,609
that building, and then
jumped from that building
325
00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:07,645
to the building next to it,
326
00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:11,515
12 feet across
and then fell 20 feet.
327
00:24:11,517 --> 00:24:14,518
Excuse me, I am sorry.
328
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,655
Drunk, he did all this?
329
00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:19,490
That's what they say, yes.
330
00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:22,793
That night they flew him...
They airlifted him
331
00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,795
to a Des Moines hospital.
332
00:24:25,865 --> 00:24:27,965
The police report
said that it was just
333
00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:30,768
a hair-line fracture
on the side of his head.
334
00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:47,651
Um, Kevin has sustained a rather
severe injury to his brain,
335
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,820
due to his skull fracture.
336
00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:54,792
But it's still just one injury.
That's good, right?
337
00:24:55,728 --> 00:24:58,929
Kevin's in a coma,
338
00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:01,212
and his chances of survival
are very low.
339
00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:07,838
Survival?
340
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,775
Well, you said he just had
a hairline fracture.
341
00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:15,946
In my opinion,
his injuries are not consistent
342
00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:19,683
with the police report.
343
00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:21,886
I'm very sorry.
344
00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:30,828
My wife had to make a decision
345
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:33,270
that no mother
should have to make.
346
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,036
Eventually, we had to
take him off life support.
347
00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:42,873
Now, my father
was a Des Moines police officer,
348
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:45,976
and we have a lot of respect
for the badge.
349
00:25:45,978 --> 00:25:50,247
But with those doctor reports
and that hospital report.
350
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:52,983
We can't help but feel
351
00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:57,154
that the Marshalltown Police
killed our son.
352
00:26:09,602 --> 00:26:12,102
Why do you think
the Thackers chose you?
353
00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:15,072
Maybe there isn't
much of a case.
354
00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:19,143
The kid was drunk;
He made some bad decisions.
355
00:26:19,145 --> 00:26:20,878
You think
you were their last resource?
356
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,946
Maybe.
357
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:25,009
It's not like
I got a good track record
358
00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:28,035
fighting the cops.
359
00:26:28,036 --> 00:26:30,036
You might surprise yourself
this time.
360
00:26:30,656 --> 00:26:32,690
Wait a minute.
361
00:26:32,692 --> 00:26:34,612
You think
I should take this case?
362
00:26:35,995 --> 00:26:38,662
I mean, it could be
an opportunity
363
00:26:38,664 --> 00:26:40,598
for you to learn
from your mistakes.
364
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,733
Monica, I make a lot of them.
365
00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:47,171
There won't be concessions
on either side.
366
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:50,674
The defense
works for the police;
367
00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:52,076
Insurance company pays for it.
368
00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:53,911
So, what?
What are you getting at?
369
00:26:53,913 --> 00:26:55,312
They never lose.
370
00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:57,681
I've known you
for two years now,
371
00:26:57,683 --> 00:27:00,243
and I've never seen you scared.
372
00:27:01,821 --> 00:27:05,022
Whatever happened
to the worker's comp stuff?
373
00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:09,026
Bad backs, Spinal cord injuries,
broken legs.
374
00:27:09,028 --> 00:27:10,728
That stuff is easier.
375
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:12,696
Then don't do it.
376
00:27:12,698 --> 00:27:14,898
Probably not worth it.
377
00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:20,904
I'm gonna bribe you.
378
00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:26,944
What do you really think?
379
00:27:26,946 --> 00:27:28,379
I think,
380
00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:32,116
you either go balls out,
or you scrap it.
381
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,785
But I think you need
to make a decision right now!
382
00:27:35,721 --> 00:27:37,321
Is this about you,
383
00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:41,091
or about the kid
that was killed?
384
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,327
I want my penny back.
385
00:27:57,877 --> 00:27:59,309
Honey, I'm trying to work.
386
00:27:59,311 --> 00:28:01,445
What?
387
00:28:01,447 --> 00:28:05,049
Look, this kid was killed
388
00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:07,151
at the Marshalltown
Police Department.
389
00:28:07,153 --> 00:28:09,186
They found his body
in the alley.
390
00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:11,255
So you think a cop did it?
391
00:28:12,758 --> 00:28:13,991
I don't know.
392
00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:16,226
I mean, they said he...
393
00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:18,028
They said he tried to escape.
394
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:21,965
So you would be prosecuting
the whole police department?
395
00:28:21,967 --> 00:28:25,035
The worse thing in the world
would be to lose a child, Nancy.
396
00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:28,005
Honey, I don't want
to be negative here,
397
00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:30,808
but what if
you do all this work,
398
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:33,043
you go to trial, and you lose?
399
00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:36,780
Well,
400
00:28:36,782 --> 00:28:40,818
then we will pack up,
401
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,186
sell one of the cars.
402
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:43,420
We will re-evaluate.
403
00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:46,023
We will, I don't know,
404
00:28:46,025 --> 00:28:47,191
we'll get a two-bedroom
apartment
405
00:28:47,193 --> 00:28:48,826
like we had
after we got married.
406
00:28:48,828 --> 00:28:51,829
Only this time
we have two children to support.
407
00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:54,131
All right, Nancy.
I won't take the case, then.
408
00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:57,367
Okay? I'll look
for something more manageable.
409
00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:03,774
Okay.
410
00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:22,259
Thank you.
411
00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:24,895
I apologize about Beverly.
412
00:29:24,897 --> 00:29:28,432
She just went shopping.
413
00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:32,369
She's got the clothes bug
the last couple days.
414
00:29:32,371 --> 00:29:35,472
I mean, she can spot
a sale like a hawk.
415
00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:41,145
Mr. Thacker,
I wanted to talk to you
416
00:29:41,147 --> 00:29:43,280
'cause I'm a little concerned.
417
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:44,381
This is the only house
418
00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:46,550
that Kevin
has ever lived in, you know.
419
00:29:46,552 --> 00:29:50,120
A lot of people out there today,
there's just divorces,
420
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,024
all kinds of things going on
with kids and families.
421
00:29:56,395 --> 00:29:58,829
We worked hard
to keep this together.
422
00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:01,965
You religious?
423
00:30:01,967 --> 00:30:05,169
Well, um,
424
00:30:05,171 --> 00:30:08,572
I believe in the truth,
wherever that leads you.
425
00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:10,507
Socrates is my hero.
426
00:30:10,509 --> 00:30:13,544
Socrates? Yeah.
427
00:30:13,546 --> 00:30:15,212
You married? Yeah.
428
00:30:15,214 --> 00:30:17,047
Kids?
429
00:30:17,049 --> 00:30:18,448
Two boys.
430
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,317
Four and six.
431
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:22,085
A real handful,
let me tell you.
432
00:30:26,058 --> 00:30:29,026
Yeah, Kevin was our youngest.
433
00:30:29,028 --> 00:30:32,129
The rest are all married
and have kids of their own.
434
00:30:36,902 --> 00:30:40,504
He, uh, he was a surprise.
435
00:30:42,608 --> 00:30:45,442
We didn't expect him.
436
00:30:45,444 --> 00:30:47,477
He used to call me old,
437
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:49,999
so I made him do
all the yard work.
438
00:30:51,517 --> 00:30:52,583
What line of work are you in?
439
00:30:52,585 --> 00:30:55,586
Hmm?
What line of work are you in?
440
00:30:55,588 --> 00:30:59,456
Oh, I'm retired early.
441
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:03,961
I used to do maintenance
at Sears & Roebuck.
442
00:31:03,963 --> 00:31:08,365
And some ancillary work at the
Des Moines Police Department.
443
00:31:13,005 --> 00:31:15,525
And now I just soak up
my retirement fund.
444
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:18,375
That's a good place to be.
445
00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:21,979
Not really.
446
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:30,187
I went down there,
447
00:31:30,189 --> 00:31:34,224
the Marshalltown
Police Department,
448
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:36,159
and I took a look for myself.
449
00:31:37,596 --> 00:31:42,032
There's no way any human being
could have made that jump.
450
00:31:42,034 --> 00:31:45,002
Kevin could barely stand
on one leg without falling down.
451
00:31:49,575 --> 00:31:53,010
Have you seen
his arresting officer? Dodge?
452
00:31:55,047 --> 00:31:57,114
How big he is?
453
00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:02,653
Sometimes, people just snap.
454
00:32:02,655 --> 00:32:05,489
It must've been a struggle.
He got scared.
455
00:32:05,491 --> 00:32:07,557
You're damn right
he was scared.
456
00:32:09,028 --> 00:32:10,829
I was talking about the cop.
457
00:32:12,064 --> 00:32:16,633
I don't care
how you wanna slice the pie.
458
00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:19,236
Kevin's dead.
459
00:32:19,238 --> 00:32:21,479
And that guy is still out there,
walking around.
460
00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:27,751
I want to show you
Kevin's room. Come here.
461
00:32:34,353 --> 00:32:34,853
¶
462
00:32:40,426 --> 00:32:43,093
The day he died,
Beverly washed all his clothes,
463
00:32:43,095 --> 00:32:47,264
and folded them, and put them
back in his dresser.
464
00:32:50,402 --> 00:32:53,036
The Cubs was his favorite team.
465
00:32:53,038 --> 00:32:55,339
Ryan Sandberg's a hell
of a second baseman isn't he?
466
00:32:55,341 --> 00:32:57,441
We'll see how they do
next year.
467
00:32:57,443 --> 00:33:01,345
Yeah, we sure will.
468
00:33:01,347 --> 00:33:03,613
I loved Wrigley Field.
469
00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:08,452
I was there for the first time
in 1938.
470
00:33:08,454 --> 00:33:10,655
I think they won the pennant
that year.
471
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,726
That was before your time.
472
00:33:22,368 --> 00:33:24,501
I want you and another car
to head downtown.
473
00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:26,470
We got a real back-up
on Main Street.
474
00:33:26,472 --> 00:33:28,205
Just push all the traffic
west on Elm.
475
00:33:28,207 --> 00:33:29,927
All right? West on Elm.
476
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:39,316
You want me to go downtown,
Chief?
477
00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:40,751
John,
I think you're a good cop,
478
00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:42,352
but I got this thing
on my plate.
479
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,187
Seems we're being sued
by the Kevin Thacker estate.
480
00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,556
Seems like some people
got the wrong idea
481
00:33:46,558 --> 00:33:48,492
about what happened that night.
482
00:33:48,494 --> 00:33:52,229
He should've ran the other way.
483
00:33:52,231 --> 00:33:53,663
You know, he told me
he was gonna end it.
484
00:33:53,665 --> 00:33:55,665
End what?
When I was booking him,
485
00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:57,734
he said
"I might was well end it now."
486
00:33:57,736 --> 00:33:59,669
And that's in the report?
487
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:02,072
No.
488
00:34:02,074 --> 00:34:04,741
Ron, your stories match, right?
489
00:34:04,743 --> 00:34:08,545
We did everything that we could.
Followed procedure.
490
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:12,049
Prisoner escaped;
Officer Dodge sounded the alarm.
491
00:34:12,051 --> 00:34:13,350
We had no idea
where the kid was.
492
00:34:13,352 --> 00:34:14,751
Yeah, I even
drove the ambulance.
493
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:16,353
You know, next time,
you just stay at the station.
494
00:34:16,355 --> 00:34:18,221
He was dying. The guys
needed to be with him.
495
00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:20,290
I figure I should drive.
496
00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:23,093
All right.
497
00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:25,128
The lawyer's coming
tomorrow morning.
498
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:26,496
As long as they treat us
with respect,
499
00:34:26,498 --> 00:34:28,331
there's gonna be no problem.
500
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:30,200
We were trying
to save the kid's life.
501
00:34:30,202 --> 00:34:32,202
Well, yeah, the FBI
is gonna be involved,
502
00:34:32,204 --> 00:34:34,271
so just making sure
that your bases are all covered.
503
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,740
Fine, they'll understand
how thorough I was.
504
00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:39,309
I took the pictures;
I gathered the evidence.
505
00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:42,212
Well, if you're good, I'm good.
506
00:34:42,214 --> 00:34:44,781
Yeah, well, to be honest with
you, I thought this was done.
507
00:34:44,783 --> 00:34:47,117
Right, okay.
508
00:34:52,124 --> 00:34:53,590
Ron?
509
00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:56,359
Yeah, give me a minute.
510
00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:05,635
I want you to put your armsout like this,
511
00:35:05,637 --> 00:35:07,988
I want youto put your head back,
512
00:35:07,989 --> 00:35:10,429
and with your index finger,I want you to touch your nose.
513
00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:15,846
Do it with each side.
514
00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:21,818
Now get your handsout of your pockets.
515
00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:26,490
If it is your second DWI,
516
00:35:26,491 --> 00:35:29,626
your license will be suspendedfor up to a year.
517
00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:32,195
I'm, I-I'm gonna...
518
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:33,196
I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
519
00:35:33,198 --> 00:35:34,197
You gotta go to the bathroom?
520
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:35,199
Yeah. You gonna get sick?
521
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,666
Nope. All right.
522
00:35:56,355 --> 00:35:58,288
So I guess you took the case?
523
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,393
Yeah.
524
00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:05,462
Even after all we talked about?
525
00:36:08,233 --> 00:36:10,333
I had to.
526
00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:26,683
On the tape, Kevin asks
to use the bathroom at 1:15 a.m.
527
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:29,553
He's in the bathroom
for about two minutes.
528
00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:31,488
How do you know that?
529
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:34,291
Well, because Dodge thinks
Kevin is coming back into
530
00:36:34,293 --> 00:36:35,725
the interrogation room,
531
00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:37,627
so he turns the camera back on.
532
00:36:37,629 --> 00:36:41,264
Now Kevin doesn't come back,
so Dodge starts to panic,
533
00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:44,267
he goes to search for Kevin,
and the tape is left on
534
00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:46,570
for an additional
minute and 15 seconds,
535
00:36:46,572 --> 00:36:49,206
then it's turned
back off again.
536
00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,908
So it sounds like we have
a missing minute and 15 seconds.
537
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:54,411
Right, but Dodge claimed
he found Kevin unconscious
538
00:36:54,413 --> 00:36:58,448
at 1:24 a.m., that gives us
a missing eight minutes.
539
00:36:58,450 --> 00:37:02,385
That's enough time to stage a
fall; Do a cover-up.
540
00:37:02,387 --> 00:37:04,921
That's also enough time to climb
the roof and make the jump.
541
00:37:04,923 --> 00:37:06,423
Well, we're about to see
542
00:37:06,425 --> 00:37:08,626
how possible that really is,
aren't we?
543
00:37:26,378 --> 00:37:28,912
I'm the angel on your shoulder.
544
00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:31,715
You're an angel, huh?
545
00:37:31,717 --> 00:37:33,783
I have big fuckin' angel wings.
546
00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:38,421
I could have made that jump.
547
00:37:41,326 --> 00:37:43,927
I still got his blood
on my uniform.
548
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:46,730
Didn't wash out.
549
00:37:46,732 --> 00:37:48,498
So much blood
came out of his head.
550
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:52,936
Hey, you're acting like
you've never seen blood before.
551
00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:56,039
Now listen, in the future,
you follow the prisoner;
552
00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:57,374
The prisoner
doesn't follow you.
553
00:37:57,376 --> 00:37:59,376
You're right. It was a mistake.
554
00:37:59,378 --> 00:38:00,910
Then why are you looking
so fucking scared?
555
00:38:00,912 --> 00:38:02,646
I don't look fucking scared.
556
00:38:02,648 --> 00:38:06,850
I think you got on a lot of
faces, but never the right one.
557
00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:12,656
You're a cop; Look like a cop.
558
00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:27,737
Captain.
559
00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:31,074
Mr. Pepper. I'm Chief Wilson.
560
00:38:31,076 --> 00:38:32,509
Stu.
561
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:33,943
This is Greg Potter,
he's our city attorney.
562
00:38:33,945 --> 00:38:35,312
Greg. Stu Pepper.
563
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:36,680
This is Monica Wright,
an associate of mine.
564
00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:38,048
Pleasure, ma'am.
How can we help you folks?
565
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:40,383
Just wanted to take a look
at that roof;
566
00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:41,918
Maybe take some pictures.
567
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,386
Hope you didn't think
you were going to take
568
00:38:43,388 --> 00:38:44,988
any depositions today.
569
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:47,357
No. No.
570
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:50,427
Just wanted to know
the right questions to ask.
571
00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:56,733
According to their version,
572
00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,802
the two officers
searched the basement,
573
00:38:58,804 --> 00:39:01,244
then the upper floors,
but they never came up here.
574
00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:17,387
So he walked across here,
no running start,
575
00:39:17,389 --> 00:39:19,589
and jumped over
to the other building?
576
00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:28,398
That's a really long jump.
577
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,734
That's very, very far.
578
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:33,370
But he does however
579
00:39:33,372 --> 00:39:35,538
drop the cigarette
and lighter over there.
580
00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:36,906
Why didn't they just say
that he fell?
581
00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:39,609
I mean, I don't get it.
582
00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:41,611
Injuries aside,
we have to prove
583
00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:44,881
that Kevin was never
on that other building.
584
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,126
Where are you going? Hmm?
585
00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:31,694
I was just getting started.
586
00:40:31,696 --> 00:40:33,530
Oh, you.
587
00:40:57,088 --> 00:40:59,956
Our greatest hopefor the future
588
00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:01,691
are the minds and heartsof our people,
589
00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:03,760
especially our children.
590
00:41:03,762 --> 00:41:06,129
We can help them build tomorrow
591
00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:09,566
by strengthening ourcommunity of shared values.
592
00:41:09,568 --> 00:41:12,202
Values that help bring ustogether as one people,
593
00:41:12,204 --> 00:41:15,638
from the youngest childto the most senior citizen.
594
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,742
For us, faith, work, family,neighborhood, freedom...
595
00:41:19,744 --> 00:41:21,177
Oh, there he is.
596
00:41:21,179 --> 00:41:22,395
Mr. Pepper.
597
00:41:22,396 --> 00:41:23,612
Congratulations
on your appointment.
598
00:41:23,615 --> 00:41:24,948
I appreciate that,
I appreciate that.
599
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:26,149
Come on back.
600
00:41:29,554 --> 00:41:31,955
Yeah, it is finally
our turn again.
601
00:41:31,957 --> 00:41:33,590
We're excited.
602
00:41:33,592 --> 00:41:36,826
Did you see Reagan's
State of the Union address
603
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:38,695
the other night?
604
00:41:38,697 --> 00:41:41,231
"America, in the crimson light
of a rising sun,
605
00:41:41,233 --> 00:41:45,001
fresh from the burning,
creative hand of God."
606
00:41:46,538 --> 00:41:48,171
I guess we watched
the same show.
607
00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:50,240
I helped write it.
608
00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:57,981
Well, you're aware of my suit
against the Marshalltown PD?
609
00:41:57,983 --> 00:41:59,716
I sure am, my friend.
610
00:41:59,718 --> 00:42:02,552
I wanted to give you
a heads up on that.
611
00:42:02,554 --> 00:42:04,654
I'm filing 15 counts,
612
00:42:04,656 --> 00:42:06,689
and when I get
the Thackers their judgment,
613
00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:08,658
I would hope that your
department would want to follow
614
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:10,560
through on the prosecution
of the men responsible.
615
00:42:10,562 --> 00:42:12,896
I'll do what's best
for my department.
616
00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:17,567
You do plan on
investigating the case?
617
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:20,270
We'll take a look at the case;
We will proceed from there.
618
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,607
Do the family a favor,
619
00:42:24,609 --> 00:42:27,977
have out of town agents
do the investigation.
620
00:42:27,979 --> 00:42:30,914
Don't want to risk a connection
with the local cops and
621
00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:32,582
conflict of interests.
622
00:42:32,584 --> 00:42:36,586
Sounds like you've been
bitten in the ass before, huh?
623
00:42:36,588 --> 00:42:40,757
Yeah, that's why
I wanted to come talk to you.
624
00:42:40,759 --> 00:42:43,126
You're the assistant
to the Attorney General,
625
00:42:43,128 --> 00:42:46,696
and this is going to be
a high-profile case.
626
00:42:46,698 --> 00:42:49,599
You know, maybe
they'll put you on TV, huh?
627
00:42:49,601 --> 00:42:51,521
Be good for your practice,
right?
628
00:42:52,671 --> 00:42:56,072
Sure would.
629
00:42:56,074 --> 00:42:58,207
Let me know when you assign
an agent to the case.
630
00:42:58,209 --> 00:43:01,644
Well, Mr. Pepper, are you asking
me or are you telling me?
631
00:43:04,249 --> 00:43:06,683
Whichever answer keeps
this conversation going.
632
00:43:06,685 --> 00:43:09,986
Well, I think you're asking,
so it's noted.
633
00:43:09,988 --> 00:43:12,055
Good luck with your case, huh?
634
00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:21,998
The only good is knowledge
635
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,935
and the only evil is ignorance.
636
00:43:25,937 --> 00:43:28,838
I wanted to understandKevin Thacker,
637
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,340
talk to him,
638
00:43:30,342 --> 00:43:33,242
but the light aheadwas beginning to fade.
639
00:43:33,244 --> 00:43:35,378
My own life out of balance,
640
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:38,147
looking for a truthwhile everyone else
641
00:43:38,149 --> 00:43:40,950
turned a deaf earand a blind eye.
642
00:43:40,952 --> 00:43:42,285
Just trying to keepmy head above water
643
00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:44,320
was provingmore and more difficult.
644
00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:47,624
All right, gentlemen,
listen up.
645
00:43:47,626 --> 00:43:49,192
Any of you guys
think you can jump
646
00:43:49,194 --> 00:43:53,730
from the end of the starting
block to that rope
647
00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:57,133
without a running start?
648
00:43:57,135 --> 00:43:58,935
Sure.
649
00:44:00,005 --> 00:44:01,404
I took track and field
in high school.
650
00:44:01,406 --> 00:44:02,739
Yeah?
651
00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:03,906
What do I get if I make it?
652
00:44:03,908 --> 00:44:06,175
You get the Dean's list,
O'Brien.
653
00:44:06,177 --> 00:44:08,144
You're up, let's go.
654
00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:10,347
And don't laugh,
all of you gonna get your shot.
655
00:44:16,087 --> 00:44:17,247
Don't mess up! Don't mess up!
656
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,994
Yeah, let's see
if you can do it.
657
00:44:24,996 --> 00:44:26,062
Zach.
658
00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:31,901
You guys, come on.
659
00:44:42,347 --> 00:44:44,297
So how do you think they'd do
660
00:44:44,298 --> 00:44:46,248
with a belly full of beer and
a Police Officer on their tail?
661
00:44:46,251 --> 00:44:47,531
No way.
662
00:44:50,922 --> 00:44:53,289
Marshalltown PD's whole defense
663
00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:55,892
hinges on this jump, Monica.
664
00:44:55,894 --> 00:44:57,260
Put the swim coach
on the stand.
665
00:44:57,262 --> 00:45:00,830
The field test
obviously speaks for itself.
666
00:45:00,832 --> 00:45:03,066
The state medical examiner
said Kevin's body
667
00:45:03,068 --> 00:45:07,737
had no other injuries
besides the trauma to the brain.
668
00:45:07,739 --> 00:45:10,139
And not even a low board diver
can make that jump.
669
00:45:10,141 --> 00:45:12,375
Much less Kevin Thacker.
670
00:45:12,377 --> 00:45:15,712
Right, but Kevin obviously did
671
00:45:15,714 --> 00:45:17,380
because of
the menthol cigarette.
672
00:45:17,382 --> 00:45:20,016
That was planted. Exactly.
673
00:45:23,388 --> 00:45:25,421
Okay... Okay, so what
do we have, then?
674
00:45:25,423 --> 00:45:28,157
Well, that gives us the power
to convince a jury that: A,
675
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,828
Kevin could never
have made that jump; And B,
676
00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:35,031
his injuries don't reflect
a fall of 24 feet.
677
00:45:35,033 --> 00:45:38,501
He was killed by blunt force.
678
00:45:38,503 --> 00:45:41,738
Kevin was drunk.
One officer found the body.
679
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:44,140
And they were in the
perfect position for a cover-up.
680
00:45:44,142 --> 00:45:47,410
Yes. Monica, yes.
681
00:45:47,412 --> 00:45:48,945
All right, let's
go through this again.
682
00:45:48,947 --> 00:45:50,947
What do we have?
Oh, we got a lot.
683
00:45:50,949 --> 00:45:53,216
Somehow, Kevin's body ends up
parallel to the building.
684
00:45:53,218 --> 00:45:54,517
In order to stage the fall.
685
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:55,918
Dodge had to have
moved the body,
686
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,420
because of the bruises
under the arm pits.
687
00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:20,877
Hey, Nance!
688
00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:27,817
Bert? Clark?
689
00:46:40,799 --> 00:46:41,931
Hey.
690
00:46:44,002 --> 00:46:45,535
Where are the kids?
691
00:46:45,537 --> 00:46:47,170
They're at my mother's.
692
00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:50,506
You took them
all the way to your mother's?
693
00:46:53,278 --> 00:46:54,911
God, I was in a good mood,
694
00:46:54,913 --> 00:46:55,912
I wanted to share that
with my family,
695
00:46:55,914 --> 00:46:58,214
and I get an empty house.
696
00:46:58,216 --> 00:47:00,983
I wanted to spend
some time with you alone.
697
00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,465
You haven't exactly
been available.
698
00:47:04,255 --> 00:47:06,956
Clark has a birthday coming up,
or did you forget?
699
00:47:10,428 --> 00:47:14,063
I bust my ass,
trying to make a living for you,
700
00:47:14,065 --> 00:47:15,431
trying to do what's right.
701
00:47:15,433 --> 00:47:17,433
That's a lawyer, Stu,
not a husband.
702
00:47:17,435 --> 00:47:21,070
You know, some people
might disagree with you.
703
00:47:21,072 --> 00:47:25,107
What do I get?
I get an empty fucking house!
704
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:26,542
What the hell are you doing?
705
00:47:26,544 --> 00:47:29,245
Dammit. I am trying
to get this thing open.
706
00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:34,016
Jesus Christ.
707
00:47:37,322 --> 00:47:38,888
Fuck.
708
00:48:07,151 --> 00:48:09,652
Nancy, I'm sorry.
709
00:49:07,078 --> 00:49:09,011
Why did you arrest
Kevin Thacker?
710
00:49:09,013 --> 00:49:10,646
He was swerving on the road.
711
00:49:10,648 --> 00:49:12,581
I witnessed him
almost hit a parked vehicle.
712
00:49:12,583 --> 00:49:16,252
He was pretty drunk,
so it was a good arrest.
713
00:49:16,254 --> 00:49:18,087
What does a "good arrest" mean?
714
00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:20,056
It means
that you follow protocol.
715
00:49:20,058 --> 00:49:23,459
So, how did he act when you
took him into the station?
716
00:49:23,461 --> 00:49:25,461
He was nervous.
717
00:49:25,463 --> 00:49:27,196
Most are at that age.
718
00:49:27,198 --> 00:49:28,731
No screaming? No crying?
719
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:31,734
None at all.
720
00:49:31,736 --> 00:49:36,038
If everything
followed protocol,
721
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,673
how did it result in his death?
722
00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:40,643
That's a good question.
723
00:49:40,645 --> 00:49:42,578
Because you must have dealt
with criminals
724
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:43,546
much worse than Kevin.
725
00:49:43,548 --> 00:49:45,748
Sure, I have.
726
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:48,484
Oh, and by the way, there was
a warrant out for his arrest
727
00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:50,553
when I ran his license.
728
00:49:52,357 --> 00:49:53,522
For what?
729
00:49:53,524 --> 00:49:54,757
He didn't make a court date
730
00:49:54,759 --> 00:49:56,425
two weeks prior
to the incident.
731
00:49:56,427 --> 00:49:58,995
It was a speeding violation.
732
00:50:00,498 --> 00:50:03,366
And I treated him
like any other offender.
733
00:50:03,368 --> 00:50:06,502
But you were the last person
to see him alive.
734
00:50:07,739 --> 00:50:09,338
The only mistake I made
735
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:12,608
was to give him more credit
that he deserved.
736
00:50:12,610 --> 00:50:15,044
He was no criminal.
737
00:50:15,046 --> 00:50:17,413
I really thought he was going
to walk back into the room,
738
00:50:17,415 --> 00:50:19,615
but he didn't.
739
00:50:19,617 --> 00:50:22,051
I found him unconscious
seven minutes later.
740
00:50:22,053 --> 00:50:24,687
How am I supposed to
be held liable for that?
741
00:50:24,689 --> 00:50:26,722
When dispatch called you,
you didn't pick up your radio.
742
00:50:26,724 --> 00:50:28,290
Is that correct.
743
00:50:29,293 --> 00:50:30,326
How do you know that?
744
00:50:30,328 --> 00:50:33,295
Oh, I've got the logs.
745
00:50:33,297 --> 00:50:36,766
Well, there was too much
interference in the building.
746
00:50:36,768 --> 00:50:38,200
Interference.
747
00:50:38,202 --> 00:50:41,137
Yeah, too much interference
in the building.
748
00:50:43,708 --> 00:50:46,609
So, did you interview all
the relevant witnesses
749
00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:47,610
and people involved?
750
00:50:47,612 --> 00:50:49,678
Yes, I did.
751
00:50:51,215 --> 00:50:54,650
So, it was your claim that Kevin
walked to the end of that beam
752
00:50:54,652 --> 00:50:58,220
and jumped from
one rooftop to the next?
753
00:50:58,222 --> 00:51:00,456
That distance; That drunk.
754
00:51:00,458 --> 00:51:03,092
People do stupid things.
755
00:51:03,094 --> 00:51:04,326
Look,
the long and short of it is
756
00:51:04,328 --> 00:51:05,795
I did a thorough investigation,
757
00:51:05,797 --> 00:51:07,663
and everyone behaved
professionally and promptly.
758
00:51:07,665 --> 00:51:09,498
From the behavior
of your department,
759
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:10,599
I find that hard to believe.
760
00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:12,435
We have already acknowledged
761
00:51:12,437 --> 00:51:15,271
that certain procedural
mistakes were made.
762
00:51:15,273 --> 00:51:18,174
Yeah, and if this is about
questioning my skills
763
00:51:18,176 --> 00:51:19,341
as a detective, quite frankly,
764
00:51:19,343 --> 00:51:21,510
you have no idea
what that entails.
765
00:51:21,512 --> 00:51:23,145
What do you have to gain
from this case?
766
00:51:23,147 --> 00:51:24,747
What do you have to gain?
767
00:51:24,749 --> 00:51:26,415
Why don't you let me
ask the questions.
768
00:51:26,417 --> 00:51:27,416
Besides money?
769
00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:30,152
Reputation. Justice.
770
00:51:30,154 --> 00:51:33,489
Look, just because you keep
a clean image, Mr. Pebble,
771
00:51:33,491 --> 00:51:35,458
it doesn't mean
you're above the law.
772
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:37,560
You're putting on an act, sir,
and I think you enjoy it.
773
00:51:37,562 --> 00:51:38,928
Counselor.
774
00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:40,295
Do you know anything
about this kid.
775
00:51:40,298 --> 00:51:43,799
Did you speak to his boyfriend?
776
00:51:45,236 --> 00:51:46,235
I'm sorry?
777
00:51:46,237 --> 00:51:47,838
Eric Jones. I did.
778
00:51:48,806 --> 00:51:52,274
Kevin went to visit him
that night.
779
00:51:52,276 --> 00:51:54,210
It was a closeted relationship.
780
00:51:54,212 --> 00:51:56,879
They weren't like
flaming fags or anything.
781
00:51:56,881 --> 00:51:59,248
But he was quite a character.
782
00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,884
Now, Eric told me
that Kevin was depressed,
783
00:52:01,886 --> 00:52:04,487
and had a drinking problem.
784
00:52:04,489 --> 00:52:06,856
And Officer Dodge said that
the kid said he wanted to end it
785
00:52:06,858 --> 00:52:08,757
during the DUI processing.
786
00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,560
So when you're in that state
of mind, anything can happen.
787
00:52:14,732 --> 00:52:16,599
Hey. All right, do me a favor,
788
00:52:16,601 --> 00:52:18,300
find out
where Eric Jones lives.
789
00:52:18,302 --> 00:52:19,902
Yeah. Who's our judge?
790
00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:22,605
Hallow, he used to be
City Attorney.
791
00:52:40,291 --> 00:52:42,925
Hello?
792
00:52:42,927 --> 00:52:44,727
Hello?
793
00:52:44,729 --> 00:52:45,794
Eric?
794
00:52:49,634 --> 00:52:51,554
I'm the lawyer in
the Thacker case.
795
00:52:54,605 --> 00:52:56,438
Did you know Kevin Thacker?
796
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,175
You know, I'm having
a party with myself right now,
797
00:52:59,177 --> 00:53:01,343
and you two, you're just...
You're not invited, okay?
798
00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:04,180
Hey, hey, listen,
we can do this two ways.
799
00:53:04,916 --> 00:53:06,199
You can talk to me now,
800
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,483
or I can have you
officially deposed;
801
00:53:07,485 --> 00:53:09,351
We'll do it
at the police station.
802
00:53:09,353 --> 00:53:13,222
I already talked to the cops.
803
00:53:13,224 --> 00:53:14,356
Marshalltown cops?
804
00:53:14,358 --> 00:53:16,225
No, Columbo.
805
00:53:16,227 --> 00:53:18,627
Eric, just a couple of minutes?
806
00:53:18,629 --> 00:53:20,262
Please.
807
00:53:21,465 --> 00:53:23,905
All right, fine. Back here.
808
00:53:27,638 --> 00:53:31,740
So all they told me
is that he was arrested drunk
809
00:53:31,742 --> 00:53:34,443
and fell off the roof.
810
00:53:37,648 --> 00:53:40,216
I mean, I didn't push him or
nothing, I swear to God.
811
00:53:40,218 --> 00:53:42,785
Yeah, but
812
00:53:42,787 --> 00:53:46,655
he came to Marshalltown
to see you, right?
813
00:53:46,657 --> 00:53:48,257
I mean, that's why he was here.
814
00:53:48,259 --> 00:53:50,793
He came here first.
815
00:53:50,795 --> 00:53:52,728
How do you know that?
816
00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:54,662
Well, 'cause I talked to the
same cop as you,
817
00:53:54,665 --> 00:53:55,764
Columbo.
818
00:53:58,769 --> 00:54:00,636
I owed him some money.
819
00:54:00,638 --> 00:54:03,572
He was kind of an impatient
little guy, you know.
820
00:54:06,911 --> 00:54:08,752
I want my fucking money, Eric!
821
00:54:12,883 --> 00:54:15,484
Kevin, God rest his soul
and all,
822
00:54:15,486 --> 00:54:17,486
he's what you'd call
unpredictable.
823
00:54:17,488 --> 00:54:19,455
How's that?
824
00:54:19,457 --> 00:54:21,657
You never knew
what he was gonna do.
825
00:54:21,659 --> 00:54:24,293
Like try to escape
from the police?
826
00:54:24,295 --> 00:54:26,862
Yeah. That sounds
a lot like him.
827
00:54:26,864 --> 00:54:29,431
I suppose if you were
asked that same question
828
00:54:29,433 --> 00:54:32,835
in a deposition or in a court,
you'd have the same answer.
829
00:54:32,837 --> 00:54:35,738
Might be worse, actually.
830
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:40,309
Are you hiding something Eric?
831
00:54:40,311 --> 00:54:42,311
I'm not hiding anything, okay?
832
00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:44,046
I mean, I tried
to take care of him, you know?
833
00:54:44,048 --> 00:54:47,283
He would come over here,
he'd spend the night,
834
00:54:47,285 --> 00:54:49,985
the kid would flip out
all night long, crying and shit.
835
00:54:53,291 --> 00:54:55,924
I think he was very scared
about who he really was.
836
00:55:00,531 --> 00:55:02,565
He must have been terrified
837
00:55:02,566 --> 00:55:05,046
sitting in that interrogation
room, I'll tell you that.
838
00:55:10,775 --> 00:55:12,841
When he died,
839
00:55:14,812 --> 00:55:18,447
I couldn't go to the funeral.
840
00:55:18,449 --> 00:55:20,883
I didn't want to see
his parents.
841
00:55:24,055 --> 00:55:27,206
You know, Kevin,
842
00:55:27,207 --> 00:55:30,358
he wouldn't have wanted me
there anyways, you know.
843
00:55:30,361 --> 00:55:32,428
So, that's all
I am going to say.
844
00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:34,470
You want any more,
you gotta expose me.
845
00:55:35,766 --> 00:55:37,099
Depose you.
846
00:55:38,369 --> 00:55:39,368
Shall we?
847
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:40,869
Yeah.
848
00:55:43,808 --> 00:55:44,807
He had a gold leaf on them.
849
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:45,808
I know.
850
00:55:46,811 --> 00:55:47,810
Come!
851
00:55:47,812 --> 00:55:48,977
Judge Hallow?
852
00:55:48,979 --> 00:55:49,978
Yes?
853
00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:50,979
Stu Pepper, Your Honor.
854
00:55:50,981 --> 00:55:51,980
The lawyer in the Thacker case.
855
00:55:51,982 --> 00:55:54,116
Oh.
856
00:55:54,118 --> 00:55:55,851
Greg.
857
00:55:55,853 --> 00:55:57,453
You're here on Officer Dodge's
motion for summary judgment.
858
00:55:57,455 --> 00:55:58,954
I am.
859
00:55:58,956 --> 00:56:01,590
Fifteen counts, Mr. Pepper.
Very ambitious.
860
00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:03,058
It is.
861
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:05,861
Your Honor, I move
for dismissal of all counts.
862
00:56:07,431 --> 00:56:09,031
I'm throwing out
14 of the counts.
863
00:56:09,033 --> 00:56:10,532
Why?
864
00:56:10,534 --> 00:56:13,435
Insufficient evidence.
865
00:56:13,437 --> 00:56:14,570
It's all circumstantial.
866
00:56:14,572 --> 00:56:16,532
Didn't you learn that
in law school?
867
00:56:18,376 --> 00:56:21,443
You're throwing out
14 out of 15 counts?
868
00:56:21,445 --> 00:56:23,679
Okay.
What count are you keeping?
869
00:56:23,681 --> 00:56:26,115
"Excessive force." Barely.
870
00:56:26,117 --> 00:56:27,950
Your Honor, can I be frank?
871
00:56:27,952 --> 00:56:29,418
If you must.
872
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:31,487
You used to be
city attorney, correct?
873
00:56:31,489 --> 00:56:34,523
You used to be him:
Defending these guys.
874
00:56:34,525 --> 00:56:38,427
Is there any chance this could
be a conflict of interest?
875
00:56:43,701 --> 00:56:45,667
Are you hinting I may not be
876
00:56:45,669 --> 00:56:47,636
fair and impartial, Mr. Pepper?
877
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,573
You've got a case to prepare,
878
00:56:51,575 --> 00:56:53,792
and people to answer to.
879
00:56:53,793 --> 00:56:56,010
Exactly how smart is it to piss
off the judge before the trial?
880
00:56:56,013 --> 00:56:59,081
I'm not trying to piss you off.
881
00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:02,117
And I'll take your one count
of excessive force,
882
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,953
because that's all I need
to win the case.
883
00:57:04,955 --> 00:57:07,589
Thank you, gentlemen.
I will see you both in court.
884
00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:14,863
But don't worry
about it getting dirty.
885
00:57:14,865 --> 00:57:17,132
I have to take things to the
cleaners every once in awhile.
886
00:57:17,134 --> 00:57:19,201
I like your scarf too.
887
00:57:26,677 --> 00:57:28,477
Why aren't you sleeping?
888
00:57:31,715 --> 00:57:33,782
I don't know.
889
00:57:37,555 --> 00:57:41,623
Nance, um,
I'm not sure what to do.
890
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:49,665
I got an FBI director
that could care less,
891
00:57:49,667 --> 00:57:52,868
got a judge that throws out
95% of my counts.
892
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:57,172
Same judge who used to make
his living defending cops.
893
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,710
Baby, I'm so sorry.
894
00:58:05,850 --> 00:58:08,951
I just want you to be careful.
895
00:58:08,953 --> 00:58:13,055
Think about what it means
to prosecute cop after cop.
896
00:58:13,057 --> 00:58:16,925
Stu, these people
can make our lives miserable.
897
00:58:16,927 --> 00:58:21,196
Yeah, but they're already
making peoples' lives miserable.
898
00:58:23,801 --> 00:58:26,168
Somebody's gotta take a stand.
899
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,119
You don't have to
do it tonight.
900
00:58:33,143 --> 00:58:35,244
Come on, let's go to bed.
901
00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:46,288
All right, break it up.
902
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:47,956
Break it up, I said.
903
00:59:17,721 --> 00:59:21,857
An honest manis always a child.
904
00:59:21,859 --> 00:59:24,026
But it's even simpler.
905
00:59:24,028 --> 00:59:27,095
What has been lostand what has been gained?
906
00:59:28,098 --> 00:59:30,198
I was close to the Thackers,
907
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,836
seeing my own imagein their loss.
908
00:59:34,838 --> 00:59:37,139
I never knew if I wastheir last stop on a long list
909
00:59:37,141 --> 00:59:40,275
that I just happened to beat the bottom of.
910
00:59:40,277 --> 00:59:43,712
I was learning thatthe self-doubt, the anxiety,
911
00:59:43,714 --> 00:59:46,682
sleepless nights,time away from my own family
912
00:59:46,684 --> 00:59:51,587
was to be expectedif I was going to succeed.
913
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:53,255
I had become closeto a young man
914
00:59:53,257 --> 00:59:56,158
who I have never hadthe opportunity to meet.
915
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,660
His justicerests on my shoulders.
916
01:00:01,665 --> 01:00:05,867
I can't raise the dead,but I have to speak for them.
917
01:00:30,861 --> 01:00:34,329
Jury members,
you are being asked to decide
918
01:00:34,331 --> 01:00:36,965
whether excessive force
was used
919
01:00:36,967 --> 01:00:39,368
during the arrest
of Kevin Thacker.
920
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:41,370
The city attorneys
will attempt to prove
921
01:00:41,372 --> 01:00:44,740
that Mr. Thacker escaped custody
during his booking,
922
01:00:44,742 --> 01:00:48,810
and died accidentally
during this getaway.
923
01:00:50,014 --> 01:00:51,947
The attorneys for the Thackers
will attempt to prove
924
01:00:51,949 --> 01:00:53,682
that the head trauma
he incurred
925
01:00:53,684 --> 01:00:57,252
could not have happened
the way it was reported.
926
01:00:57,254 --> 01:01:01,423
It is your charge to determine
what you believe the truth is.
927
01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:29,418
Mr. Pepper, please call
your first witness.
928
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:32,888
Your Honor, I would like
to call Officer John Dodge.
929
01:01:35,893 --> 01:01:38,160
Officer Dodge,
930
01:01:38,162 --> 01:01:41,430
let me start out by asking
a very simple question.
931
01:01:44,401 --> 01:01:47,369
Go ahead.
932
01:01:47,371 --> 01:01:49,004
Do you normally
brush your teeth
933
01:01:49,006 --> 01:01:50,966
before you go to work
in the morning?
934
01:01:51,408 --> 01:01:52,874
Yes.
935
01:01:55,412 --> 01:01:57,292
And have you ever
killed anyone?
936
01:02:01,018 --> 01:02:02,284
Yes, I have.
937
01:02:02,286 --> 01:02:05,887
I was in
the 25th Infantry division
938
01:02:05,889 --> 01:02:09,191
at Cu Chi and Dau Tieng,
Vietnam.
939
01:02:09,193 --> 01:02:12,260
And in what manner
940
01:02:12,262 --> 01:02:15,363
did you perform
these killings in Vietnam?
941
01:02:16,467 --> 01:02:20,168
With my rifle.
Sometimes my bayonet.
942
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:22,204
All in self-defense.
943
01:02:25,075 --> 01:02:27,943
Just to be clear for the Jury.
944
01:02:27,945 --> 01:02:29,111
Self-defense?
945
01:02:29,113 --> 01:02:31,012
I learned to make
quick decisions
946
01:02:31,014 --> 01:02:32,280
in delicate situations.
947
01:02:32,282 --> 01:02:34,382
I guess that's why
I became a cop.
948
01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:37,819
Quick decisions
in delicate situations.
949
01:02:37,821 --> 01:02:39,888
Hmm.
950
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:41,022
What's your height and weight?
951
01:02:41,024 --> 01:02:43,925
6'1", 210 pounds.
952
01:02:43,927 --> 01:02:48,764
And Kevin Thacker was 5'7",
133 pounds.
953
01:02:48,766 --> 01:02:52,000
That's quite a difference,
isn't it?
954
01:02:52,002 --> 01:02:54,402
Well, I'm bigger
than most people,
955
01:02:54,404 --> 01:02:56,538
so it's no surprise to me.
956
01:02:56,540 --> 01:03:00,275
On the night
of October 29th, 1983,
957
01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:02,878
did a struggle occur
in the alleyway
958
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,479
behind the Marshalltown
Police Department,
959
01:03:04,481 --> 01:03:06,281
between yourself
and Kevin Thacker?
960
01:03:06,283 --> 01:03:07,549
No, it did not.
961
01:03:07,551 --> 01:03:09,050
And during that struggle,
962
01:03:09,052 --> 01:03:11,887
being a man
of your size and experience,
963
01:03:11,889 --> 01:03:14,222
you struck Kevin on the left
side of the head killing him.
964
01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:16,258
Is that correct?
965
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:18,460
No, I did not.
966
01:03:18,462 --> 01:03:20,663
I was simply trying to find
an escaped prisoner.
967
01:03:29,206 --> 01:03:31,373
Prisoner is loose
in the building.
968
01:03:44,488 --> 01:03:46,555
Shit.
969
01:03:59,236 --> 01:04:00,936
Shit.
970
01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:05,307
Call an ambulance.
971
01:04:14,518 --> 01:04:18,286
From the time that Kevin
asked to use the bathroom,
972
01:04:18,288 --> 01:04:21,289
to the time that
you found him unconscious,
973
01:04:21,291 --> 01:04:25,460
that was approximately
seven minutes, correct?
974
01:04:25,462 --> 01:04:27,195
Yes, that's right.
975
01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:28,929
He was in the bathroom
for just under two minutes,
976
01:04:28,932 --> 01:04:31,032
and we were walking out.
977
01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:33,568
I went to turn
the video camera back on,
978
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:36,538
and then I realized
that he had fled.
979
01:04:36,540 --> 01:04:38,774
After a search,
980
01:04:38,775 --> 01:04:41,009
I came back a minute later
to turn the camera off,
981
01:04:41,011 --> 01:04:45,180
and with the assistance of other
officers, did another search.
982
01:04:45,182 --> 01:04:47,916
Well, why bother
to come all the way back
983
01:04:47,918 --> 01:04:49,451
to turn the video camera off?
984
01:04:49,453 --> 01:04:51,119
There was nobody
was in the room.
985
01:04:51,121 --> 01:04:52,654
It was an instinct.
986
01:04:52,655 --> 01:04:54,188
And we all have
certain instincts
987
01:04:54,191 --> 01:04:57,225
that force us
to do certain things, correct?
988
01:04:57,227 --> 01:04:59,961
Kevin Thacker
would still be alive today
989
01:04:59,963 --> 01:05:03,064
if he would have just
allowed me to do my job.
990
01:05:03,066 --> 01:05:06,501
Kevin had to allow you
to do your job?
991
01:05:09,606 --> 01:05:11,973
I don't think it's that simple,
Officer Dodge.
992
01:05:14,211 --> 01:05:16,091
No further questions,
Your Honor.
993
01:05:26,924 --> 01:05:29,491
Professor Daily,
can you tell the court
994
01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:32,627
what a standing broad jump is?
995
01:05:32,629 --> 01:05:34,562
A standing broad jump
is an event
996
01:05:34,564 --> 01:05:37,232
in which the competitor
stands at a line,
997
01:05:37,234 --> 01:05:40,068
and from a standing posture,
they jump as far as they can.
998
01:05:40,070 --> 01:05:42,237
And what's the world's record
for such a jump?
999
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:45,173
The longest jump
is 12 feet, one inch.
1000
01:05:45,175 --> 01:05:49,177
And do you think anyone,
even a trained athlete,
1001
01:05:49,179 --> 01:05:52,080
could make such a jump?
1002
01:05:52,082 --> 01:05:53,315
No.
1003
01:05:53,317 --> 01:05:56,151
Have you done any tests
to verify this?
1004
01:05:56,153 --> 01:05:58,119
Yes, I did.
1005
01:05:58,121 --> 01:06:00,522
Several of my swimmers
jumped from a platform
1006
01:06:00,524 --> 01:06:04,159
similar to the one Kevin Thacker
allegedly leaped from.
1007
01:06:04,161 --> 01:06:06,494
Right. What were the results?
1008
01:06:06,496 --> 01:06:09,698
None of them were able
to complete the 12 feet.
1009
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:12,600
Not even close.
1010
01:06:12,602 --> 01:06:15,036
Well, so in light of your test,
1011
01:06:15,038 --> 01:06:17,539
if those athlete's
lives depended
1012
01:06:17,541 --> 01:06:19,541
on jumping those 12 feet,
1013
01:06:19,543 --> 01:06:22,110
how many
would still be alive today?
1014
01:06:22,112 --> 01:06:24,679
None of them.
1015
01:06:24,681 --> 01:06:26,721
I mean, unless they had wings,
you know.
1016
01:06:30,454 --> 01:06:32,654
Thank you.
1017
01:06:32,656 --> 01:06:33,722
I'm a medical doctor,
1018
01:06:33,724 --> 01:06:35,557
specializing
in forensic pathology.
1019
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:37,726
I've taught the subject
for the past 12 years
1020
01:06:37,728 --> 01:06:39,561
at the Wisconsin State
Medical School,
1021
01:06:39,563 --> 01:06:42,197
and was a coroner
for over 20 years.
1022
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,767
No, Kevin Thacker's autopsy
was done by the county coroner.
1023
01:06:45,769 --> 01:06:49,738
Mr. Thacker died from a
contrecoup injury to the brain.
1024
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:52,540
The two types of injuries
are a coup and contrecoup.
1025
01:06:52,542 --> 01:06:55,777
Since the brain floats
in the fluid of the skull,
1026
01:06:55,779 --> 01:06:57,612
and is subject to movement,
1027
01:06:57,614 --> 01:07:00,615
in a coup injury,
the skull would hit an object,
1028
01:07:00,617 --> 01:07:04,052
such as a fall, and the brain
hits the side of the skull
1029
01:07:04,054 --> 01:07:05,487
where the impact occurred.
1030
01:07:05,489 --> 01:07:09,024
In Kevin's injury,
an object hit the skull,
1031
01:07:09,026 --> 01:07:13,361
not the reverse,
producing a contrecoup injury.
1032
01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:16,364
This forces the brain to
the other side of the skull.
1033
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:20,201
In his case: Blunt object
hitting the left temporal bone
1034
01:07:20,203 --> 01:07:23,471
causing bleeding
in the right temporal lobe.
1035
01:07:23,473 --> 01:07:26,241
Doctor, did the autopsy report
1036
01:07:26,243 --> 01:07:31,079
reveal any other injuries
to Kevin, at all?
1037
01:07:31,081 --> 01:07:33,381
There was bruises
underneath his armpits,
1038
01:07:33,383 --> 01:07:36,501
but other than that, no.
1039
01:07:36,502 --> 01:07:39,620
The defense claims that Kevin
died from a fall of 24 feet
1040
01:07:39,623 --> 01:07:42,290
onto an asphalt surface.
1041
01:07:42,292 --> 01:07:44,092
Well, bluntly put,
1042
01:07:44,094 --> 01:07:47,762
that would defy both
medical and biological science.
1043
01:07:47,764 --> 01:07:49,497
It's outrageous, really.
1044
01:07:49,499 --> 01:07:52,667
He would have multiple bruising
where the impact occurred,
1045
01:07:52,669 --> 01:07:55,370
other bone fractures,
damages to his organs,
1046
01:07:55,372 --> 01:07:58,807
which Mr. Thacker did not have.
1047
01:07:58,809 --> 01:08:01,076
Thank you, Doctor.
1048
01:08:11,621 --> 01:08:15,123
Dr. Booker, how long have you
been a state medical examiner
1049
01:08:15,125 --> 01:08:17,759
and what does that job entail?
1050
01:08:17,761 --> 01:08:19,327
Well, I specialize
1051
01:08:19,329 --> 01:08:21,262
in comprehensive
medical examinations,
1052
01:08:21,264 --> 01:08:23,098
primarily postmortem.
1053
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:24,599
And for five years,
I've worked as an expert witness
1054
01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,434
for the police department.
1055
01:08:26,436 --> 01:08:30,238
And in your expert opinion,
from what height can a person
1056
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,142
hit the ground
without sustaining injury?
1057
01:08:34,144 --> 01:08:36,611
A body can fall
from as high as six stories
1058
01:08:36,613 --> 01:08:38,546
without sustaining injury.
1059
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:41,749
Six stories. Thank you.
1060
01:08:41,751 --> 01:08:44,586
No further questions,
Your Honor.
1061
01:08:44,588 --> 01:08:46,654
Cross examine, Mr. Pepper.
1062
01:08:53,897 --> 01:08:58,299
Um, let me get this straight.
1063
01:08:58,301 --> 01:09:00,168
Now, you just testified
1064
01:09:00,170 --> 01:09:03,805
that a body can fall
six stories
1065
01:09:03,807 --> 01:09:06,241
without sustaining an injury.
1066
01:09:06,243 --> 01:09:07,775
Is that correct?
1067
01:09:07,777 --> 01:09:09,377
Yes, yes.
1068
01:09:09,379 --> 01:09:11,246
If there's an equal,
instantaneous transference
1069
01:09:11,248 --> 01:09:14,616
between the body
and the ground.
1070
01:09:14,618 --> 01:09:15,898
Right.
1071
01:09:17,354 --> 01:09:20,555
Well, now what is that?
1072
01:09:20,557 --> 01:09:24,392
Can you demonstrate
that for us right now?
1073
01:09:24,394 --> 01:09:26,461
Let's just say, three feet.
1074
01:09:26,463 --> 01:09:30,231
And you choose
which side you land on.
1075
01:09:30,233 --> 01:09:31,499
No.
1076
01:09:31,501 --> 01:09:34,869
Why? Are you afraid
of getting hurt?
1077
01:09:37,374 --> 01:09:40,942
Okay, lets say two feet.
1078
01:09:40,944 --> 01:09:41,943
One foot?
1079
01:09:41,945 --> 01:09:44,179
Objection. Your Honor,
1080
01:09:44,181 --> 01:09:45,647
if Mr. Pepper
wants someone to fall,
1081
01:09:45,649 --> 01:09:47,715
let him demonstrate it himself.
1082
01:09:47,717 --> 01:09:49,584
Sustained. Mr. Pepper.
1083
01:10:01,631 --> 01:10:03,432
Can you tell me what this is?
1084
01:10:03,967 --> 01:10:05,500
That's a physics equation.
1085
01:10:05,502 --> 01:10:10,371
Force equals mass
times acceleration.
1086
01:10:10,373 --> 01:10:12,941
Now, based on this equation,
1087
01:10:12,943 --> 01:10:15,510
can you tell me at what force.
1088
01:10:15,512 --> 01:10:17,912
Kevin's body
hit the ground with?
1089
01:10:19,516 --> 01:10:21,883
No. No, I can't.
1090
01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:23,551
Why not?
1091
01:10:23,553 --> 01:10:25,820
Look,
I'm a medical examiner, okay?
1092
01:10:25,822 --> 01:10:27,989
I'm not good at math.
1093
01:10:31,461 --> 01:10:33,494
No further questions,
Your Honor.
1094
01:10:41,371 --> 01:10:44,105
The court room
1095
01:10:44,106 --> 01:10:46,840
is one of the mostunpredictable places on earth.
1096
01:10:46,843 --> 01:10:50,612
You never knowexactly what you're up against.
1097
01:10:50,614 --> 01:10:54,249
You just hopeyou can inspire that jury.
1098
01:10:55,385 --> 01:10:57,552
I've known Officer Dodge
for six years;
1099
01:10:57,554 --> 01:10:59,254
Detective Pebble for ten.
1100
01:10:59,256 --> 01:11:00,888
How would you describe
Officer Dodge?
1101
01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:04,525
Well, he's a big young man,
but he's certainly not a bully.
1102
01:11:04,527 --> 01:11:07,028
He's just an officer
that comes to work every day,
1103
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:08,930
and goes about
his business quietly.
1104
01:11:08,932 --> 01:11:10,565
And Detective Pebble?
1105
01:11:10,567 --> 01:11:11,866
Oh, Detective Pebble is simply
1106
01:11:11,868 --> 01:11:13,401
the best cop
I've ever worked with.
1107
01:11:13,403 --> 01:11:17,005
Chief Wilson, have
you ever known Officer Dodge
1108
01:11:17,007 --> 01:11:19,540
to have a problem
with his temper?
1109
01:11:19,542 --> 01:11:22,343
The young man had some
difficulties in Vietnam,
1110
01:11:22,345 --> 01:11:23,645
but since I've known him,
1111
01:11:23,647 --> 01:11:25,880
he's made hundreds of arrests
without incident,
1112
01:11:25,882 --> 01:11:28,616
all of them good.
1113
01:11:28,617 --> 01:11:31,351
Chief, would you please
tell this court your opinion
1114
01:11:31,354 --> 01:11:35,723
on the theory that Kevin
Thacker's death was a cover-up.
1115
01:11:35,725 --> 01:11:39,494
No, no. Not in my department.
1116
01:11:39,496 --> 01:11:41,329
Simply there wasn't
enough time.
1117
01:11:41,331 --> 01:11:44,932
I mean, you take this arbitrary
video tape of the ordeal,
1118
01:11:44,934 --> 01:11:47,235
one to seven minutes.
1119
01:11:47,236 --> 01:11:49,537
There's not enough time
in there to concoct a cover-up.
1120
01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:51,005
Thank you, Chief Wilson.
1121
01:11:51,007 --> 01:11:53,308
No further questions
at this time, Your Honor.
1122
01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:55,677
Mr. Pepper?
1123
01:11:55,679 --> 01:12:00,481
Well, actually,
the time frame is quite clear.
1124
01:12:00,483 --> 01:12:01,883
Dodge sounded the alarm
1125
01:12:01,885 --> 01:12:05,620
at 1:17 a.m.,
1126
01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:07,922
that's from your station logs,
1127
01:12:07,924 --> 01:12:10,792
and Dodge discovered
the body at 1:24 a.m.
1128
01:12:10,794 --> 01:12:13,594
That's seven minutes.
1129
01:12:14,898 --> 01:12:17,432
Should we allow the court to
have seven minutes of silence
1130
01:12:17,434 --> 01:12:21,436
right now, just to understand
how long that actually is?
1131
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:45,393
That's not even
30 seconds, Chief.
1132
01:12:48,031 --> 01:12:52,567
Do you really think that
this couldn't have occurred?
1133
01:12:52,569 --> 01:12:56,070
Not on my watch;
Not in my department.
1134
01:13:02,712 --> 01:13:07,615
Detective Pebble, how long have
you known Officer John Dodge?
1135
01:13:08,852 --> 01:13:10,918
Ten years.
1136
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,621
And just to be clear
for the court,
1137
01:13:13,623 --> 01:13:16,891
it was you who investigated
the death of Kevin Thacker?
1138
01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:19,694
Yes, I did.
1139
01:13:19,696 --> 01:13:22,797
Did you investigate whether
John Dodge committed a crime
1140
01:13:22,799 --> 01:13:26,534
on the night
of October 29th, 1983?
1141
01:13:26,536 --> 01:13:29,670
No.
1142
01:13:29,672 --> 01:13:33,007
Well, why not?
1143
01:13:33,009 --> 01:13:35,943
No crime was committed,
except by Kevin Thacker.
1144
01:13:35,945 --> 01:13:40,047
You never,
not even for a moment,
1145
01:13:40,049 --> 01:13:44,152
considered the culpability
of Officer Dodge?
1146
01:13:45,989 --> 01:13:47,822
There's no evidence
to support that.
1147
01:13:47,824 --> 01:13:50,625
Where were you
during the booking?
1148
01:13:51,961 --> 01:13:54,962
Somebody was getting beat up
across the street,
1149
01:13:54,964 --> 01:13:56,597
I was on a radio call for that.
1150
01:13:56,599 --> 01:14:00,668
But, I returned shortly after
the ambulance was called.
1151
01:14:00,670 --> 01:14:02,136
And, where was Officer Dodge?
1152
01:14:02,138 --> 01:14:04,906
He was with the victim.
1153
01:14:04,908 --> 01:14:07,575
Who notified Kevin's parents?
1154
01:14:07,577 --> 01:14:08,976
The Des Moines PD.
1155
01:14:08,978 --> 01:14:12,046
Why didn't you do
the notification?
1156
01:14:12,048 --> 01:14:14,882
Because I was busy collecting
evidence and statements
1157
01:14:14,884 --> 01:14:18,119
with respect to Mr. Thacker's
unfortunate fall.
1158
01:14:18,121 --> 01:14:20,721
Really? Well, what
did that consist of?
1159
01:14:20,723 --> 01:14:24,826
Talking to the parties involved;
Interviewing them.
1160
01:14:24,828 --> 01:14:27,061
That's when I found out
about Kevin's mental state
1161
01:14:27,063 --> 01:14:29,230
during the arrest.
1162
01:14:29,232 --> 01:14:32,633
Turns out
the boy was broken-hearted.
1163
01:14:32,635 --> 01:14:35,937
How could you possibly be aware
of Kevin's mental state?
1164
01:14:35,939 --> 01:14:37,555
Because I interviewed
his boyfriend.
1165
01:14:37,556 --> 01:14:39,172
His boyfriend said he had
showed up at Marshalltown...
1166
01:14:39,175 --> 01:14:42,243
Detective,
Kevin's sexual orientation
1167
01:14:42,245 --> 01:14:43,945
is not on trial here,
1168
01:14:43,947 --> 01:14:46,881
your colleague John Dodge is.
1169
01:14:46,883 --> 01:14:48,616
Look, I'm not going
to allow you
1170
01:14:48,618 --> 01:14:50,318
to dance around this
any longer.
1171
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:52,019
I want you to tell the court,
beat by beat,
1172
01:14:52,021 --> 01:14:54,489
moment by moment,
what happened?
1173
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,693
Prisoner is loose
in the building.
1174
01:15:27,924 --> 01:15:32,226
So he did all this,
while intoxicated,
1175
01:15:32,228 --> 01:15:34,095
leaping like
a world-class athlete,
1176
01:15:34,097 --> 01:15:35,696
dropping the cigarette
and lighter,
1177
01:15:35,698 --> 01:15:40,067
and falling 24 feet,
only sustaining one injury.
1178
01:15:40,069 --> 01:15:41,869
Yes, it appears that way, yes.
1179
01:15:41,871 --> 01:15:44,572
After Kevin was taken
to the hospital,
1180
01:15:44,574 --> 01:15:47,041
why did have his clothes
ordered back to the station?
1181
01:15:47,043 --> 01:15:49,110
To be used as evidence.
I already told you that.
1182
01:15:49,112 --> 01:15:52,713
And to allow you to fabricate
your version of the events.
1183
01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:54,615
You had time
to plant the cigarette,
1184
01:15:54,617 --> 01:15:58,553
and create the evidence, because
it didn't matter, detective.
1185
01:15:58,555 --> 01:16:02,256
Kevin Thacker
was never on that roof.
1186
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:09,010
No further questions,
Your Honor.
1187
01:16:17,807 --> 01:16:20,308
Thank you
for being here, Mrs. Thacker.
1188
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:22,910
I don't think anyone
in this room would argue
1189
01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:25,279
that this is a very tough thing
for you to do.
1190
01:16:25,281 --> 01:16:29,050
It hasn't been easy.
1191
01:16:29,052 --> 01:16:31,953
Will you please tell the court
1192
01:16:31,955 --> 01:16:35,356
a little bit about Kevin?
1193
01:16:35,358 --> 01:16:36,924
What he was like.
1194
01:16:36,926 --> 01:16:38,225
Sure.
1195
01:16:38,227 --> 01:16:42,163
Kevin was a good son.
1196
01:16:42,165 --> 01:16:44,799
Very good son. Funny, smart.
1197
01:16:44,801 --> 01:16:49,236
He was going
to community college.
1198
01:16:49,238 --> 01:16:52,039
Did...?
1199
01:16:52,041 --> 01:16:54,875
Did Kevin have
a drinking problem?
1200
01:16:55,878 --> 01:16:59,614
I think he was just young,
acting his age.
1201
01:16:59,616 --> 01:17:03,217
Maybe a little lost at times.
1202
01:17:05,922 --> 01:17:09,290
You know, he may have had
some issues with alcohol,
1203
01:17:09,292 --> 01:17:12,927
but I think more
he just never knew exactly
1204
01:17:12,929 --> 01:17:16,330
where to direct his attention.
1205
01:17:16,332 --> 01:17:21,002
And what will you miss most
1206
01:17:21,004 --> 01:17:22,269
about Kevin?
1207
01:17:22,271 --> 01:17:24,705
Objection, Your Honor.
Relevance.
1208
01:17:24,707 --> 01:17:27,675
Trying to make
the deceased a person,
1209
01:17:27,677 --> 01:17:29,910
not just a name, Your Honor.
1210
01:17:29,912 --> 01:17:31,345
Overruled.
1211
01:17:31,347 --> 01:17:33,414
You can answer, Ma'am.
1212
01:17:38,221 --> 01:17:42,823
I'll miss sitting at the table
with him, after dinner,
1213
01:17:42,825 --> 01:17:46,260
just the two of us, talking.
1214
01:17:46,262 --> 01:17:49,997
I used to give him the business
about putting on his shirt,
1215
01:17:49,999 --> 01:17:53,000
and he'd never listen to me.
1216
01:17:53,002 --> 01:17:56,337
He'd just say,
"We're done eatin', Ma. Relax."
1217
01:17:58,408 --> 01:18:02,743
Believe it or not,
I'll miss worrying about him.
1218
01:18:02,745 --> 01:18:05,012
It's just,
after you give birth,
1219
01:18:05,014 --> 01:18:07,181
it becomes ingrained in you.
1220
01:18:07,183 --> 01:18:10,451
It's just like a part of you,
as long as you live.
1221
01:18:10,453 --> 01:18:13,287
That worry
is just always there.
1222
01:18:13,289 --> 01:18:15,222
I'll miss that.
1223
01:18:16,392 --> 01:18:18,059
And, what else will you miss?
1224
01:18:21,698 --> 01:18:24,131
Everything.
1225
01:18:24,133 --> 01:18:27,068
Everything that would've
come after.
1226
01:18:38,147 --> 01:18:40,281
Sorry.
1227
01:18:40,283 --> 01:18:42,883
Thank you, Beverly.
1228
01:18:54,130 --> 01:18:56,030
Hey, guys.
1229
01:18:56,032 --> 01:18:58,552
Hey, Mike. How are you?
1230
01:18:59,068 --> 01:19:02,269
Stu?
1231
01:19:02,271 --> 01:19:04,472
I want to tell you
how much I appreciate
1232
01:19:04,474 --> 01:19:08,409
your work on this case.
1233
01:19:08,411 --> 01:19:12,346
And I wish
Kevin could have met you.
1234
01:19:15,017 --> 01:19:16,350
Thank you.
1235
01:19:16,352 --> 01:19:18,085
Thanks.
1236
01:19:33,236 --> 01:19:37,138
You have
a difficult task today,
1237
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:41,275
and I'd like to start off
by thanking you
1238
01:19:41,277 --> 01:19:44,278
for your time and attention
1239
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,114
in this crucial case.
1240
01:19:49,285 --> 01:19:52,219
Your task today is difficult
1241
01:19:52,221 --> 01:19:55,022
because I'm asking you
to believe
1242
01:19:55,024 --> 01:19:59,260
that the people
you have been taught to trust
1243
01:19:59,262 --> 01:20:04,098
are the same people responsible
for the death of Kevin Thacker.
1244
01:20:05,301 --> 01:20:08,502
Now, if you asked me
a year ago,
1245
01:20:08,504 --> 01:20:11,305
if I believed something
like this could be be possible,
1246
01:20:11,307 --> 01:20:15,075
I'd have had a hard time
believing it too.
1247
01:20:16,412 --> 01:20:20,414
But I'm learning.
1248
01:20:20,416 --> 01:20:24,051
I'm learning that, inherently,
we were put on this Earth
1249
01:20:24,053 --> 01:20:27,154
to protect one another.
1250
01:20:30,092 --> 01:20:32,293
There's an old saying:
1251
01:20:32,295 --> 01:20:36,330
"Absolute power
corrupts absolutely."
1252
01:20:36,332 --> 01:20:38,365
We've all heard that statement.
1253
01:20:38,367 --> 01:20:41,068
And it trickles all the way down
the power chain,
1254
01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:44,038
from a president
to a meter maid.
1255
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,174
To make those who think
they're above the law
1256
01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:50,911
be fearful of its consequences.
1257
01:20:50,913 --> 01:20:55,015
Checks and balances.
1258
01:20:55,017 --> 01:20:57,418
That sounds like
a pretty good idea to me.
1259
01:20:57,420 --> 01:21:00,988
What do you think?
I mean, there's history here.
1260
01:21:00,990 --> 01:21:03,057
Going back to the Middle Ages,
1261
01:21:03,059 --> 01:21:07,061
the Spanish Inquisition,
police states,
1262
01:21:07,063 --> 01:21:10,231
and the creation of laws.
1263
01:21:10,233 --> 01:21:11,432
New laws had to be passed
1264
01:21:11,434 --> 01:21:15,236
to keep the abuse of power
in check.
1265
01:21:15,238 --> 01:21:19,540
The Fourth Amendment protects us
from search and seizure,
1266
01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:23,444
and the Fourteenth Amendment
gives us our rights.
1267
01:21:23,446 --> 01:21:28,048
I never knew Kevin Thacker.
1268
01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:32,119
But I've gotten to know
his parents pretty well.
1269
01:21:32,121 --> 01:21:36,223
And I've spoken personally to
everybody involved in this case.
1270
01:21:36,225 --> 01:21:39,059
And, I learned that Kevin
1271
01:21:39,061 --> 01:21:42,396
was really no different
than any of us.
1272
01:21:42,398 --> 01:21:44,298
He was a young man,
1273
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:47,534
trying to find his way in life.
1274
01:21:47,536 --> 01:21:50,537
And Kevin, like us all,
1275
01:21:50,539 --> 01:21:53,607
had to face the consequences
of his decisions.
1276
01:21:53,609 --> 01:21:56,443
And that is not
an easy thing to do.
1277
01:21:58,514 --> 01:22:00,681
The consequence
to Kevin's decisions
1278
01:22:00,683 --> 01:22:03,684
on the night of October 29th
1279
01:22:03,686 --> 01:22:06,253
cost him his life.
1280
01:22:07,323 --> 01:22:09,957
But if you look at
the bigger picture,
1281
01:22:09,959 --> 01:22:13,060
it didn't have to.
1282
01:22:13,062 --> 01:22:15,229
It didn't have to.
1283
01:22:15,231 --> 01:22:17,965
Kevin died
while under the supervision
1284
01:22:17,967 --> 01:22:21,201
of the Marshalltown
Police Department.
1285
01:22:28,511 --> 01:22:33,213
There was not a soul in sight,
except for Officer Dodge.
1286
01:22:33,215 --> 01:22:36,450
Now, you've heard the details
of this case several times.
1287
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:40,120
The standing broad jump,
the intoxication,
1288
01:22:40,122 --> 01:22:44,625
the press release prior
to notifying his own parents,
1289
01:22:44,627 --> 01:22:48,462
and the nature
of the single injury
1290
01:22:48,464 --> 01:22:52,433
that is not consistent
with a fall of 24 feet.
1291
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:58,405
You are in the throws
of a cover-up.
1292
01:23:01,477 --> 01:23:04,545
The corruption of power
by those who believe
1293
01:23:04,547 --> 01:23:08,182
that they are above law.
1294
01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:11,051
But let me assure you,
1295
01:23:11,053 --> 01:23:14,488
no police department
wants bad blood on their hands,
1296
01:23:14,490 --> 01:23:19,460
so you have to reconcile
yourselves to one simple fact
1297
01:23:19,462 --> 01:23:22,730
regarding the police
and the world that we live in.
1298
01:23:25,735 --> 01:23:30,037
These things do happen.
1299
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:33,207
Lady Justice is blindfolded,
1300
01:23:33,209 --> 01:23:37,644
but that is to remind us
that it is up to all of us
1301
01:23:37,646 --> 01:23:42,149
to keep our eyes wide open.
1302
01:23:44,553 --> 01:23:46,487
Thank you so much.
1303
01:24:19,155 --> 01:24:20,554
Stu?
1304
01:24:28,764 --> 01:24:30,264
Have you reached a verdict?
1305
01:24:30,266 --> 01:24:32,332
Yes, we have, Your Honor.
1306
01:24:38,074 --> 01:24:42,142
"We, the jury,
find Officer John Dodge
1307
01:24:42,144 --> 01:24:44,845
"liable for the wrongful death
of Kevin Thacker,
1308
01:24:44,847 --> 01:24:49,149
and award $980,000
to his estate."
1309
01:25:55,184 --> 01:25:56,250
Guess what?
1310
01:26:00,689 --> 01:26:02,456
Did somebody pass the bar?
1311
01:26:05,761 --> 01:26:06,760
Congratulations.
1312
01:26:06,762 --> 01:26:08,562
Thank you.
1313
01:26:08,564 --> 01:26:11,565
Might have a little competition
on your hands.
1314
01:26:13,335 --> 01:26:15,402
Monica, I, uh...
1315
01:26:17,373 --> 01:26:20,174
I just have to thank you.
1316
01:26:20,176 --> 01:26:24,244
I couldn't have done this
without you.
1317
01:26:24,246 --> 01:26:27,781
Oh, it's nothing.
1318
01:26:27,783 --> 01:26:29,683
Counselor.
1319
01:26:32,755 --> 01:26:35,222
Counselor.
1320
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,862
The unexamined lifeis not worth living.
1321
01:26:41,864 --> 01:26:44,565
My victory tooknearly a year of my life,
1322
01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:46,867
of my family's life.
1323
01:26:46,869 --> 01:26:50,204
You begin to understandyour own personal limits.
1324
01:26:50,206 --> 01:26:53,774
What you are willing to tradefor that victory.
1325
01:26:53,776 --> 01:26:57,711
For the first time, I feltthat I was good at my job.
1326
01:26:57,713 --> 01:26:59,780
You can still find my namein the Yellow Pages
1327
01:26:59,782 --> 01:27:01,815
along with everybody else.
1328
01:27:01,817 --> 01:27:04,918
A personal injury lawyer.
1329
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,454
Sometimes I just have to smile.
1330
01:27:15,464 --> 01:27:17,497
There he is,
the man of the hour.
1331
01:27:17,499 --> 01:27:19,182
I wish you would've called.
1332
01:27:19,183 --> 01:27:20,866
I'm just heading out
for an off-site meeting.
1333
01:27:20,869 --> 01:27:22,936
I just wanted to
grab a quick word with you.
1334
01:27:22,938 --> 01:27:25,405
Hey, congratulations
on that victory.
1335
01:27:25,407 --> 01:27:28,909
Well, to be honest, sir,
the real victory would be
1336
01:27:28,911 --> 01:27:31,578
to have the offenders
punished in some way
1337
01:27:31,580 --> 01:27:34,514
other than
the city's pocket book.
1338
01:27:34,516 --> 01:27:36,817
I wanted to offer my services
free of charge
1339
01:27:36,819 --> 01:27:38,986
to help expedite that
in any way possible.
1340
01:27:38,988 --> 01:27:41,355
Yeah, I think
we have that covered.
1341
01:27:41,357 --> 01:27:43,957
Have you assigned an agent
to investigate the case yet?
1342
01:27:43,959 --> 01:27:45,659
Yes, I have.
1343
01:27:45,661 --> 01:27:47,394
I thought about
your very kind advice,
1344
01:27:47,396 --> 01:27:49,963
but I decided
to put somebody on it
1345
01:27:49,965 --> 01:27:51,665
I'm a little more
comfortable with.
1346
01:27:51,667 --> 01:27:54,334
Appearances and what not.
I'm sure you understand.
1347
01:27:55,437 --> 01:27:56,870
Who did you assign to the case?
1348
01:27:56,872 --> 01:27:58,905
Ben Higgins.
1349
01:27:58,907 --> 01:28:02,376
Doesn't he do undercover work
for Marshalltown cops?
1350
01:28:04,046 --> 01:28:06,780
Let me
tell you something, okay?
1351
01:28:06,782 --> 01:28:10,951
You did a good job,
nobody's denying that.
1352
01:28:10,953 --> 01:28:13,453
But you have to know
when to walk away,
1353
01:28:13,455 --> 01:28:15,722
when to move on.
1354
01:28:15,724 --> 01:28:18,659
And very frankly,
fucking with my department
1355
01:28:18,661 --> 01:28:21,762
doesn't help that along.
1356
01:28:48,991 --> 01:28:51,692
"Kevin Thacker
and the Marshalltown Police,
1357
01:28:51,694 --> 01:28:55,796
"for ten counts
against Mr. John Dodge.
1358
01:28:55,798 --> 01:28:57,998
Dismissed."
1359
01:29:01,370 --> 01:29:05,939
They're gonna be late.
1360
01:29:05,941 --> 01:29:07,674
Hello?
1361
01:29:07,675 --> 01:29:09,408
Beverly? It's Stu, hey.
1362
01:29:09,411 --> 01:29:11,011
Thomas there?
1363
01:29:11,013 --> 01:29:13,493
Yes, hi, Stu. Hold on.
1364
01:29:15,551 --> 01:29:16,616
Hi, Stu.
1365
01:29:16,618 --> 01:29:18,018
Hey.
1366
01:29:18,020 --> 01:29:22,456
Look, I'm really sorry
to bother you on Christmas Eve.
1367
01:29:22,458 --> 01:29:24,424
We got some bad news.
1368
01:29:25,394 --> 01:29:26,760
Hallow threw it out.
1369
01:29:26,762 --> 01:29:27,828
Threw what out?
1370
01:29:31,066 --> 01:29:33,967
In civil cases,
1371
01:29:33,969 --> 01:29:35,736
the law gives the judge
the power
1372
01:29:35,738 --> 01:29:37,471
to overturn the jury verdict.
1373
01:29:38,507 --> 01:29:39,840
Now that's bullshit.
1374
01:29:39,842 --> 01:29:41,942
What?
1375
01:29:41,944 --> 01:29:43,810
The judge threw the case out.
1376
01:29:49,952 --> 01:29:51,685
Well, what are we gonna do?
1377
01:29:51,687 --> 01:29:54,388
We appeal it to the State
Supreme Court for a reversal
1378
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:58,392
and get the original
verdict reinstated.
1379
01:29:58,394 --> 01:29:59,860
I can't let it go.
1380
01:29:59,862 --> 01:30:02,396
I'm in this for the long haul.
1381
01:30:02,398 --> 01:30:05,098
I'm right there with you.
1382
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:08,402
Listen,
you have a good holiday,
1383
01:30:08,404 --> 01:30:11,405
and I'll talk to youafter the new year.
1384
01:30:11,407 --> 01:30:13,073
God bless you.
1385
01:30:13,075 --> 01:30:14,875
Thank you. Thank you, Thomas.
1386
01:30:25,687 --> 01:30:30,190
¶ I went walking
down the road ¶
1387
01:30:30,192 --> 01:30:34,561
¶ The road for the blind ¶
1388
01:30:34,563 --> 01:30:36,997
¶ For a long, long time ¶
1389
01:30:36,999 --> 01:30:40,066
¶ I walked alone ¶
1390
01:30:42,771 --> 01:30:45,839
¶ Down that lonely road ¶
1391
01:30:47,810 --> 01:30:51,745
¶ No place to go ¶
1392
01:30:51,747 --> 01:30:55,816
¶ I was the sea
as cold as I could be ¶
1393
01:30:57,820 --> 01:31:01,588
¶ I was anything but free ¶
1394
01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:04,858
¶ As far as I could see ¶
1395
01:31:04,860 --> 01:31:08,094
¶ I was anything but me ¶
1396
01:31:12,067 --> 01:31:16,036
¶ I was all on my own ¶
1397
01:31:16,038 --> 01:31:19,606
¶ Without myself ¶
1398
01:31:22,177 --> 01:31:26,112
¶ I found myself
without a home ¶
1399
01:31:26,114 --> 01:31:29,783
¶ As hard as a stone ¶
1400
01:31:29,785 --> 01:31:33,220
¶ But truth be told ¶
1401
01:31:33,222 --> 01:31:36,823
¶ I was the storm ¶
1402
01:31:39,828 --> 01:31:44,564
¶ The storm of storms ¶
1403
01:31:44,566 --> 01:31:47,701
¶ So now you know ¶
1404
01:31:47,703 --> 01:31:50,136
¶ I was the sea ¶
1405
01:31:50,138 --> 01:31:53,707
¶ Cold as I could be ¶
1406
01:31:53,709 --> 01:31:57,143
¶ I was anything but free ¶
1407
01:31:57,145 --> 01:32:00,514
¶ As far as I could see ¶
1408
01:32:00,516 --> 01:32:03,583
¶ I was anything but me ¶
1409
01:32:07,289 --> 01:32:10,757
¶ I was all on my own ¶
1410
01:32:11,894 --> 01:32:15,595
¶ Without myself ¶
1411
01:32:19,768 --> 01:32:23,003
¶ Think about the way ¶
1412
01:32:23,005 --> 01:32:26,940
¶ You have to fight ¶
1413
01:32:26,942 --> 01:32:30,176
¶ When you're always right ¶
1414
01:32:33,215 --> 01:32:35,882
¶ Think about the rose ¶
1415
01:32:35,884 --> 01:32:39,653
¶ With too many thorns ¶
1416
01:32:39,655 --> 01:32:44,558
¶ No one will stand
by your side ¶
1417
01:32:49,665 --> 01:32:53,667
¶ No one stands by your side ¶
1418
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:57,304
¶ No one will stand
by your side ¶
1419
01:33:04,913 --> 01:33:09,082
¶ I walked alone ¶
1420
01:33:11,887 --> 01:33:15,822
¶ I found myself
without a home ¶
1421
01:33:15,824 --> 01:33:20,293
¶ As hard as a stone ¶
1422
01:33:20,295 --> 01:33:23,163
¶ But truth be told ¶
1423
01:33:23,165 --> 01:33:26,232
¶ I was the storm ¶
1424
01:33:29,805 --> 01:33:34,074
¶ The storm of storms ¶
1425
01:33:34,076 --> 01:33:37,143
¶ So now you know ¶
1426
01:33:39,982 --> 01:33:43,049
¶ Without my soul ¶
1427
01:33:46,755 --> 01:33:50,790
¶ All on my own ¶
1428
01:33:51,994 --> 01:33:54,160
¶ I was the sea ¶
1429
01:33:54,162 --> 01:33:58,131
¶ Cold as I could be ¶
1430
01:33:58,133 --> 01:34:01,301
¶ I was anything but free ¶
1431
01:34:01,303 --> 01:34:04,404
¶ As far as I could see ¶
1432
01:34:04,406 --> 01:34:07,974
¶ I was anything but me ¶
1433
01:34:09,411 --> 01:34:11,277
¶ And me alone ¶
1434
01:34:11,279 --> 01:34:15,715
¶ I was all on my own ¶
1435
01:34:15,717 --> 01:34:19,753
¶ Without my soul ¶
1436
01:34:25,027 --> 01:34:29,963
¶ I went walking
down the road ¶
1437
01:34:29,965 --> 01:34:34,134
¶ The road for the blind ¶
1438
01:34:34,136 --> 01:34:37,804
¶ For a long, long time ¶105144
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